NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Trade Deadline Spectacular!

Episode Date: November 4, 2025

Gregg Rosenthal is joined by Jourdan Rodrigue and Colleen Wolfe to react to the 2025 NFL Trade Deadline. The trio tells you what they think about the Jets trading Sauce Gardner to the Colts (01:50) and Quinnen Williams to the Cowboys (10:40) along with Rashid Shaheed being traded from the Saints to the Seahawks (22:38), Jakobi Meyers being traded from the Raiders to the Jaguars (28:45) and more! Note: time codes approximate.NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Welcome to NFL Daily, where we love a deadline. I'm Greg Rosenthal here in the Chris Wesleying podcast studio. Trade deadline is over. I'm with Jordan Roderick, and I'm with Colleen Wolf. Hey, oh. We got the see you next Tuesday crew back for the first time in a minute on one of the biggest Tuesdays. on the NFL calendar.

What Tuesday it is and on, you know, America's calendar because it is election day as well. Oh. Get out to the polls. Big Tuesday.

Big Tuesday all around. And it's Steve Mariucci's birthday. Happy birthday. Yeah. Look, I already voted. I, I pre-voted,

you know, I put it in the envelope, and then I went for a short run and put it into the closest voter box because I love a functional run. Let's talk trades. Oh, right. Okay. Right after the,

you know how like very, very often on these types of shows. You need that? My no card one's flying. Jordan doesn't like it there in the middle of the table. It's like, oh, you know, we really kind of bothering me.

We really build up the trade deadline to be such a big deal and then it doesn't end up being that big of a deal. False. And you know what happened to be this year? A big effing deal. Totally.

This is the opposite of how I treat my writing deadlines. Like they don't really exist. This one actually exists. You're one of those. There's a huge deal. I do love deadlines. I only work with a deadline.

I can't work unless I have a deadline. Apparently the New York Jets, who I do feel like has been a subject on a lot of Tuesdays. We were here for the Robert Sala firing. We were here for some other assorted firings last year. And now we're talking about a complete restructuring

of who we thought the Jets were. But more important, who we thought. the Indianapolis Colts were. Let's start with the Soss Gardner trade because that was the most surprising. That was the biggest. We'll get to Quinn and Williams and everything else that happened today. But Soss Gardner is an Indianapolis Colt. Love it. The Jets receive 2026 and 2027 first round picks from the Colts and A.D. Mitchell, which feels just like a little throwing, but I actually I think that's a nice little part of the deal for the Jets.

We'll get to the Jets side of things. But I do think it's for the 2025 season, more interesting that your Colts are going all in in a way that probably surprises the outside universe, but I think actually makes a lot of sense when you think about how their team is structured as a not-so-secret Colts believer, Colleen. How did this trade make you feel?

Well, first of all, I love that you're calling them my Colts because this was the one year that I was like, all right, I'm not going to do it. But I do, you know, think maybe. The Connie Bowl is on the table here, Eagles Colts. Oh, my God. Can you imagine? Okay.

First of all, this is such a departure from how Chris Ballard, the Colts GM, usually operates. He's pretty conservative. He loves the draft and develop strategy. So the fact that he traded like this for such a splashy player. And there was so much given away as well. it was just sort of a little bit of a surprise, a lot a bit of a surprise, but it also just goes to show how confident this regime is in the current roster, that it's not a blip for them,

that they are all in, and I love the move for them. It's the epitome of aggression right down to the player himself, and certainly with how Soss Gardner has been playing, and just some of the vibes in New York just continued losing, getting sort of that stink out and really going to a place that is on a role, really, other than a little blip last week. And he's an aggressive player. He allows them to mix their coverages. He wants to play man coverage.

He wants to make plays on the ball. Louan Arumo in his renaissance here. Big Lou. We love him. Big Lou is having, he's a perfect player for him because he can do a lot of different things and he can be as aggressive as he wants, especially with a front that's playing well

and a pass rush that's playing well. You can really compliment that with a player like Soss Gardner. And I want to say, too, the aggression that you noted, Colleen, I think is so important because there were some real, I guess, like, come to Jesus conversations that have happened within that building. It's a real understanding where their roster was at and where they had sort of carried themselves down the decision-making process, knowing they had a good roster. And it's a really continuous group between Ed Dodds, Kevin Rogers, and John Shaw, all those guys in scouting and pro personnel and player personnel, they had to really say, really, where is our, roster at and plug in the right quarterback and make an eagoless decision to move on from a perceived mistake at that time and then really understand where they're at as a team in terms of making a real contention push making a move like this is a real contention push well that's the thing it

didn't make sense because daniel jones their quarterback but they were among the biggest win now teams in the league and that's when i was when i was making the mea culpa about being so wrong about this colts team that is one thing that you could have seen that they have incredible continuity. They have a lot of guys in their primes when you think about Michael Pittman and Pierce and their offensive line for the most part and downs and everything. And then they also have like some players that aren't going to be around that much longer. Like Grover Stewart and DeForest Buckner have been around forever. Zaire Franklin and Kenny Moore like they're at the point of their careers where it's like, okay, it's year to year. And most of these guys have

been in this system on both sides of the ball in terms of the offensive system has been there. and then the players have been there on the defensive side and you get Lou Anarumo and he was such an important part of it and you think okay cornerback is very unpredictable and the Colts and the Jets would probably say Soss Gardner over the last year and a half

has not been as good as he was the previous two years but you do get a coordinator in Lou Anarumo that you feel like can maximize everything that Soss Gardner does so I think that's a big part of that is like faith in Loo in addition to faith in Soss Gardner whose contract extension that he just signed in July literally hasn't even started.

That part. That part. Like the Jets obviously were not planning on trading him if they gave him this contract in the offseason. And it's just such a huge fire sale for them. Like they are now just in full rebuild to trade him and Quinn and Williams. Like these two players together just shows you that they're ready to implode the whole operation at this point.

I can't remember. Or Reese Hall. I was going to say, I can't remember a team like doing this quite as aggressively in recent memory because to go over

the picks they have now they have three firsts in 2027 and they're not like in the NBA sometimes you get a first and it's like

it's like the thunders first it's like that's the 29th pick in the draft they have their own first the cowboys first and the Colts

first like that could be pretty good in 20207 you don't know what the Colts are going to be like we don't know what the Cowboys

are going to be like they also have two first this year, you know, in 26, in the next draft, and two seconds. So they only had two top 100 picks actually before this trade happened. So that was weird. They are a team, though, that had done this before. They actually had three first round picks in 2022.

That's how they got some of these players. And it doesn't, didn't necessarily go well. But they are loaded up in terms of picks. So I, even though I was smarmy kind of thinking like, wow, they could even get good players like Quinn and Williams and Soss Gardner maybe if they're lucky with these picks, I actually don't hate it for the Jets. I think it makes sense for both sides, especially in the Soss Gardner deal. I think this is totally allowed to be a win-win trade. Yeah. Honestly, for all parties involved, because it's great for the Cowboys to get a player of Quinn and Williams Calibor, and I know we're

going to get to that particular move in a minute. But speaking of the Jets specifically, I think it is so refreshing when a team actually admits that they have to commit to a rebuild before the trade deadline of that same season happens because the draft, you need to recoup some of that ammo ahead of that spring's draft. If you're really going to be aggressive about where you're at and be very honest about where you're at as a roster and the way that it's constructed. And I think that you have a new set of talent evaluators in under Darren Mugi and a new regime and a new head coach. And so you're going to start installing your players with those picks. And we'll see if it works out for them, obviously short term and long term.

terms of understanding what you are, first of all, which I think the Colts are doing really, really well. On the other side, understanding which you are not, which I don't really think the Jets moved this preseason and start of the regular season, like they were really realistic about who they actually were. They were trying to push it. Well, I think all of us were kind of like, I said it myself. I was like, I kind of am in on the Jets with what they're doing. Well, they just weren't that team. They didn't really have, they didn't ultimately have the answer at quarterback. They certainly did not have the answer on defense. They certainly need to make some moves additionally to what they already have on offense, all on every phase. And so I think

admitting that before the trade deadline, the Bengals, for example, are not admitting this before trade deadlines. Other teams that are not contenders and need to rebuild in a big way or at least fully rebuild one side of the ball, like I find it refreshing that they've done this. I was talking about this with Daniel Jeremiah. We have a move the sticks. We would not move the sticks. Wow. Freeze it.

Are you Jim Kerwin and Pat Miller? Pat Miller, Jim Kerwin? Well, he's moved this. I'm not trying to. I'm not trying to get on that podcast. We have a 40s and free agents coming out later this week. We were talking about this off air. It's just like building around defense is tough.

It's very much the Bill Pollian method from 20 years ago, but I totally agree with it. Offense is more consistent. And I think if you're going to a, invest, like, most of your resources on defense, the path is way thinner. And that's where the Jets were at. They were with this Robert Sala defense. The defense was great under Robert Sala. These were two of the best players. And I think it had really soured. You heard from Connor Hughes at S&Y. I've heard this separately that, like, Quinn and Williams seemed like the happiest guy ever

at one point. And he was kind of done. Can you? I'm so so excited that we get to see Quinn and Williams smile again. Okay. This is so great. All right. Let's let's go over that. I still think we should have a few things on the sauce, but let's talk about exactly what they got for Quinn and Williams. So the Cowboys get Quinn and Williams. The Cowboys, it's just outrageous. And they get a 2027 first round pick from the Cowboys. And it'll either be the Cowboys first round pick or the Packers first round pick, whichever is higher, which to me is a great little wrinkle. It's a great little NBA wrinkle. And a nice piece of business by the Jets to cover themselves there. They also get a 2026 second round pick. And they also get Mazi Smith thrown in the deal. So if you really want to have your brain broken, here's the Michael Parsons trade.

Like that's it? Big picture. Here it is. They essentially traded away. Micah Parsons and Mazzie Smith for Quinnon Williams and Kenny Clark and a move up like 20 spots to the back end of the first round of the draft, which is not that much. In my opinion, I know it's a lot to consider, but we'll consider this one on its own. What do you think about the Cowboys getting Quinn and Williams? I think that it immediately addresses their run defense, which is helpful for them. Obviously, he's really good in the middle of the field there, but I just feel like this trade kind of shows that obviously Jerry Jones is maybe regretful

of moving Michael Parsons, Michael Parsons, who potentially wins defensive player of the year and all of their defensive struggles stem from that move specifically. So now he's trying to. go back all in since I mean even before last night before last night the narrative of the cowboys was their offense is so good their defense is not holding up this end of the bargain and then last night I mean you saw what the cardinals were able to do their defense was a disaster the Dallas Cowboys so I like the move and I'm happy for Quinn and Williams but I just feel like

ultimately the Cowboys should have never traded away Michael Parsons in the first place I think it's it's coming to terms with the fact that you can't put the lid back on the pot. Right. And maybe I said that in a little Jerry Jonesy way, I can't put the lid back on the pot. I don't know if he... He's more about like glory hole. I was going to say...

Wow. And trying to... What is he trying to do something with mosquitoes? He's always talking... Can't glow the glory hole. Okay. So I feel like this is actually him and the team itself understanding like what's done is done. You have to plan for the future here.

I do like that the Cowboys still have their... 2026 first round picks. I like that. I also like that this offense is clearly an elite group to the point where if we are even at a looking at a medium level defense, you're talking about a for sure playoff contender, maybe even a team that can make a run. Now, we're not talking about that. We're talking about an offense that they're clearly hoping is going to continue to play at this caliber, maybe regress a little bit, but probably not a ton because of all of the

guys that they have and some of the young guys they especially have up front can still play at this caliber. Quina Williams is only 27 years old. He'll be 28 next year when I do think that they think their defense will be ready to match the level of the offense. So I just think this is obviously a little late of a move for this season, but it's also sort of a coming to terms with what you did, first of all, and what now you have to do next in order to get this group as competitive as it needs to be, seeing how far beyond and above schedule your offense is and where your defense at least needs to hit the floor of in order to have a more complex. Pimentary group. That's 2026 to me. And it's good that they have those picks because if you draft well in a couple key spots on defense, you can play those guys right away. You're not inserting them into complicated series of passing layers. You're not asking a rookie running back to pass block for you. You're not asking an offensive lineman to be really good right away. No, you're plugging in defensive players who grow as the season continues with some weight bearing walls. And Quinn and Williams is certainly one of them. But that's also to your point talking about looking ahead to the draft.

seeing how Quinn and Williams affects the defense and then being able to plan ahead, okay, now what do we need to do with our draft strategy in general? And I love Quinn and Williams, but they didn't get any extra picks in the end. I mean, that's crazy. They traded away Michael Parsons and they don't have any extra picks. They just, like, moved up to one. Essentially, they moved up from the Jets, you know, second round or their second round pick to the Packers' first round pick.

Whatever ends up that being. Right now, it would be about 20 picks or so. I'm not saying the logistics or the return on the trade is, necessarily great. I'm just saying I can see what their process was after they realized that there's no turning back or getting out of it. The process is like is make it up as you go along and a lot of it I think is emotional. I mean, Jerry Jones even talked about on Monday how annoyed he was about Michael Parsons lying down on that trainer's table, which is by the way, good move by Michael Parsons. It really sounded like that was kind of the last thing. He was just like, would Michael Irvin have

ever done that? Would Dion Sanders have ever done that? And it's like they're having to answer for a boss that's like go go get me someone now i think quidon williams is great he is three years older if we're kind of comparing him and sauce but i think he's probably a safer overall long-term bet i just think when you look at these three trades in general when you're talking about the micha parsons it's kind of crazy to me that sauce gardner went for the same price as micha parsons essentially I would argue because I'd rather have A.D. Mitchell, maybe on his money than Kenny Clark. Like, Soss Gardner costs more. Essentially, Soss Gardner and Micah Parsons cost about the same.

Michael Parsons and Quinn and Williams were pretty close to the same. And that's a mis-evaluation of Michael Parsons. And Cowboys fans would be like, well, that's in the past. Now we're just talking about the president. Well, it's all together. You know, you have to evaluate it all together. And I do want to say a couple of these teams of Packers, specifically in the Colts, they do share a very similar quality,

which is that they believe they're going to make a Super Bowl run. So you stop, I mean, we saw it right next door a couple years ago. You really stop thinking about what things cost when you need to add players to get you through those little glass layers of contention

as November ends, December begins, and January as well. That's the point. Like, get as high of a return on those guys as you can. And certainly, I see why the Colts gave that much force,

sauce gardener really because of this because they believe that he is a player that put the cowboys on the other hand are three five and and one with a struggling secondary and sure they'll hope that they can get into Super Bowl contention next year but that's just it's just a hope and there's not much reason to think about I did want to kind of point out though the sauce trade is risky like two firsts for a cornerback who is coming off a year that was pretty poor I would say a year ago. And this year he has some good numbers like next-end stats, notice his tight window

forced rate is really high, like the highest in the league in terms of like when you know, passes are coming into coverage. Now a lot of those have been completed, but he's been in tight coverage. He does travel with like the opposing one. The talent is obviously there. But it I do often think about like cornerbacks are impossible

to like evaluate. There's so much variance. They're like the Colleen Wolf of of like, you know, position. What do you mean? I'm not saying. No, Colleen Wolf shows up here and she's, you know, hitting a home run every time. Cornerbacks, you don't know what they're going to do.

I don't know. I just, when I'm searching for words, I like to just. I just think, I'll help you out here, Greg. I just think that if they don't, if the Cowboys don't make the playoffs, which it's dicey right now, they're three, five, and one. If they don't make the playoffs, then they're sacrificing these long-term assets without even making the postseason. so it's kind of like a huge gamble. Yeah, but I don't even care about this season if I'm the Cowboys.

I mean, I care, obviously, like everyone cares about things. But like, I don't, if I'm them, I don't, I'm not even looking at this move in the vacuum of this year. I've already seen enough. This defense's going to let you down. Like, there's no, they are in such a hole in the NFC at this point that, yes, they could still get into a couple of shootouts. And certainly it's not, all is not lost. And, you know, three win teams have made the postseason before. but it's November like it's getting too late and so this move like I said I just think this is

totally made to regather yourself admit where you're at and then really look ahead at 2026 is the year you make you make try to make a run if it's for 2026 like why wouldn't they have gotten more in the trade in terms of resources yeah well because this to Jordan's point early and it's a great one it's like this is when I think you get the most for Quinn and William I mean if you're the Jets. But I mean, they won't pay their players early, but they'll trade for them early.

One of the things that I thought about here, too, is like when I'm adding up all these, you know, what the Cowboys got, what the Jets got, what the Packers got. Like, here's what the Cowboys didn't get, Quinn and Williams for the last nine weeks, you know, and I think that's part of it too. And that gets to my point about

they're just making it up as they go along. Like Quinn and William, they lost that half season of Quinn and Williams. But I do think the ages are important. because the Colts are looking at this, like, yeah, we're sacrificing these draft picks. That is going to hurt our team building process overall. But Soss Gardner is a young player

that is not going anywhere anytime soon. I just think it literally is as simple as this. You're almost saying the same thing as me, but I think it's literally just as simple as this. The Colts are in truly win now mode. Like, not just they think they are, they are in win now mode. So they're going to pay a higher price for a player they think can help them win a Super Bowl.

Packers did the same thing, but they didn't pay as high a price. This is not creeping up to the trade deadline. Nobody really knew what they were going to look like, even though they're a very good team. Clearly, we're seeing the fallout of that now. The Cowboys, on the other side, understand they are not a win now team right now, but they have a win now offense that probably will not regress much in 2026. So they're paying for 2026 and they're paying 26 money to 2026, if that makes sense. Sure.

I think ultimately it's, also just a show of faith in Daniel Jones like floating in the breeze like not plan not who I think they're legitimately planning for 2026 yeah maybe I have maybe I'm giving them too much credit I mean I believe they're their their GM like or who sort of acts as a GM will McLeigh right like he's he's doing the best that he can with the orders that that he's got but I I think I think it's chaotic and I do think it's a show of faith in Daniel Jones and Aaron Glenn I ultimately think that the Jets are saying like we're going to, we're going to understand that you're going to keep losing Aaron Glenn and

Darren Mugi, their GM. And like, we're going to stay with you because it would be insane to be like firing your head coach after doing something like this. And I do think it's the Colts saying, yeah, we got a bargain with Daniel Jones right now. We are going to pay him so much money because none of this makes any sense unless Daniel Jones is making all that money next year as a member of the Colts. Pretty crazy. And a badass secondary, by the way, when Charverius word gets back, it'll be Charverius word, Kenny Moore and Soss Gardner. Let's take a quick break and then we'll come back

and we'll finish up the other trades from a big trade deadline. Back on NFL Daily, and you mentioned Michael Parsons calling as a potential award winner. You know what you're going to have to do if you're an NFL Daily listener? Just check out our big time award show.

Hey! Hey! We've got Colleen Wolf and Jordan working double here. We're taping a couple shows, so everyone to check out our mid-season awards which are coming, but... We have some fun ones, too. We can't only talk about the Jets and all their draft picks. I was thinking, like, okay, they had a bunch of draft picks like a few years ago.

They once had four first-round draft picks. That was in 2000. That was the famous... Was that the year? Infamous Kyle Brady draft. John Gruden and Mike Mayock once had three first-round picks. It did not work out. That was the offensive line men, right? That was one of them.

Yes. Yeah. Still playing. Cleveland Farrell. Cleveland Farrell. Didn't work out. So sometimes, you know, what's in the mystery box is not as good. But I'm hoping that they can turn it around.

Let's talk about some other moves that happened on Tuesday. Was excited for this one. Rashid Shaheed to the Seahawks for a fourth and fifth. round pick. The Saints made a couple moves. They also traded Trevor Penning to the Chargers. But this Shaheed move seems like it could really have an impact in the NFC. I mean, I love that they did this. And it sounded like based on some reporting that they were scouring the receiver market, just to try to see. I just think this is probably, was probably their A plus plan because of his connections with Clint Kubiak from Backwood Kubiak was the Saints offensive coordinator. I love

this not just for the passing game because like good luck to you picking which which player you would like to tilt your coverage toward and godspeed but but also they can truly stay in a lot of their 12th personnel like they want to because you've got two true burner receivers who can exploit so many different intermediate and and long layers of the passing game and they can stay just as explosive but I think this helps open up their run game which I which I love because if more defenders are accounting for multiple receivers who can hurt you deep on the field that means they're going to have less of those defenders in the box, stopping the run. And they have struggled with running against medium or even heavier boxes.

They're not seeing a ton of light boxes so far this year. So I think it helps them become a much more complete team. And they can stay in their preferred heavy personnel, but still have that lightning speed threat on the perimeter and all across the middle of the field because these guys can run a lot of different types of combinations. Yeah. And now it'll be a much quicker integration, I think, into the offense because of Clint Kubiak.

being there. It gives Sam Darnold another deep threat in this offense. And it comes at a perfect time while some of these Seattle Seahawks receivers are dealing with injuries like Cooper Cup. He's also an all-pro returner. So this could help out their special teams as well, Seattle. I love it for this offense. And for Greg, your team who you've said weeks and weeks ago was the best in the NFC potentially. And now I feel like after a prime time game, people are on board with this more and more. It is such a strange place to be because the NFC is so loaded. So it's like you would still take the field certainly over the Seahawks.

Heck, like the NFC West is so loaded that we don't know by any means that they're going to win their division. It's awesome that the Seahawks and Rams still have two games left against each other. And it just feels like six of the best eight or nine teams in the NFL are in the NFC. So nothing's guaranteed. But I don't think the price was too big. A fourth and a fifth. I think it was fair for both sides. I actually give the Saints some credit for getting a pretty fair value, I think, for a guy

that they probably weren't going to re-sign. I just don't know why you weren't resigning him because up until this year, he was like a guy averaging 16, 17 yards per catch and just has incredible speed that you can't really find anywhere else. Yeah. By the way, yet another reason you're talking about the depth and how loaded the NFC is yet another reason why the Cowboys decided to look honestly at themselves and work toward 2026 and actually admit the truth. Yeah, this is my favorite trade of the entire day. I love this.

I love the fact that we are going to see a couple of these teams, the Rams included and the Seahawks, reach their fullest form, like exactly the right time, barring any sort of crazy circumstantial changes with injuries. And I like that it's like explaining your faith in in Sam Darnold because you're giving him more weapons. It is helping out JSN because you know that once you get to the playoffs, it's going to be total matchup football. And defenses are going to try to figure out how to game plan your best player out of that game. So then hit him with another guy.

Like I just, I loved this. And I like it for the Saints because like you said, they got decent value out of it. We still don't know what they're getting for Trevor Penning, who was famously a surprise first round pick that they traded. extra picks up for and did not work out very similar to how Mickey Loomis traded up to first for Marcus Davenport. That's probably going to get released like overnight, just like slipped in to the mix.

You know, it came in right under the wire. It was the last trade of the day. It's probably trying to hide it. It's probably not a ton. And we talked about it. Me and Shook on Monday night too, like will the Chargers try to do something to help that offensive line after losing Joe Alt? So that makes sense on that perspective.

I do wonder, you know, Cooper Cup is not a long-term answer for the Seahawks. I'd be surprised if he was on the roster next season. They do have an out in that contract. I don't think it's been like a great fit. And I think he'll just play less now because if they're in that 12 personnel, you know, he's not going to be on the field all the time. And that's not the worst thing. He could give you more maybe playing 20, 30 snaps.

Tori Horton looked pretty good the other day. Like, yeah. Seahawks. They're rolling. It's the Seahawks season. Jacoby Myers went to the Jaguars for two mid-round picks, a fourth and a six. And I just want to congratulate Jacobi Myers because I feel like no one else wanted to get traded more than Jacoby Myers. Kind of like Devante Adams last year.

Hopefully this works out better for Jacobi Myers than Devante Adams and his time with the Jets a year ago. But even then, I think he was just still happy to get out of there. Yeah. And it fills an immediate need for the Jags with why am I blanking on Trevor. I wanted to call him Trevor Lawrence, obviously. That's the quarterback. It's the commercials, which right now, they took a big gamble in the first place doing all the Trevor Lawrence, Travis Hunter.

Yes. That's what it is. Exactly. It's a great commercial. But it was a risk and it's not working right now. Yeah. So obviously this will help out. And it's not like Travis Hunter was giving them a whole lot.

at the wide receiver position because they kept switching him back and forth between a couple snaps here on defense, a couple snaps here on offense. I just don't know if that is going to work for him going forward. Maybe next year everything will slow down a little bit more and he can he can contribute a little bit more. But when I was doing the international game that they were on, Gerald McCoy was just talking about Travis Hunter and how he really believed that he should only be playing defense on the defensive side of the ball and then here and there having like a couple fun little packages for him on offense. But I like that Jacoby Myers now will be there. He's a wide receiver that will be able to help Trevor Lawrence now that Travis Hunter is

not out there. And Diami Brown also got hurt in that game last week. Like that could have been part of it. Parker Washington was their clear number one. Brian Thomas Jr. got a little banged up in that game. Don't know if it was serious. Ian Rappaport does say though, Travis will be back this season, probably pretty soon after he's eligible to get off IR, which is three more weeks and that it'll still be playing wide receiver. Can I put my galaxy brain hat on for one? Please. Do you need help with it?

It's heavy. It's heavy. Oh, my God. The big brain. It's a big brain. I don't know how your neck supports that. So I think that this is a move, not just to give them a little help, production help in the short term.

I also think this is a move that sets in motion a more. cohesive plan for Travis Hunter and this passing game in the long term after he is back from this injury because if you bring in Jacoby Myers, one of the things that that tells me is you would like to have a Chris Godwin like player in the slot, which Travis Hunter can be, which Liam Cohen is trying to turn a passing volume and dictating his passing game through that player. And I do believe they think that player can be Travis Hunter. And so then you can have your perimeter threat still in Jacoby Myers. And

it has been really weird with Brian Thomas Jr. whether it's they're running him in concepts he's clearly not comfortable with or he's taking a step back and then there's like weird trade rumors circulating about him that the team is like super quick to shut down. But like still reports

surfacing about well we'll take a call. Didn't happen in the end. But yeah, it sounds like they were listening if someone wanted to give them a sauce gardener type offer. I'm just saying, I think that not only is this like, okay, we need to keep producing as an offense in the short term, but we also need to have a

much better plan overall and reset what we want to do in the passing game and whether it is the reverse of what I said, where you're seeing Jacoby a little bit more inside and Travis Hunter, I think, I just did it. Travis Hunter on the perimeter. One of these players has to be

the volume inside guy. That's what Liam Cohen wants to do. We've seen it work. And so that's where I think this actually resets their passing layers in a big way. And I just don't think we're talking about it yet. And maybe we will be after Travis Hunter gets back. I don't know, though. It does.

Here, here, here. It does seem like a little. All right. Got it. Got it off. Like there's a lot of repeating, maybe duplicative skill sets. I mean, Hunter and Jacoby Myers are different. But Jacob Myers is a predominantly slot player throughout his career.

And he plays plenty on the outside, too. But most of his snaps are in the slot. And Parker Washington was outstanding in the preseason and last week. And it's kind of a predominant slot type of player. Yeah. Deaumie Brown is hurt. I think that maybe we'll find out as a bigger part of it. But Jacoby Meyer is just a good player.

The interesting thing to me... Just saying, keep an eye on. Yeah. We'll wrap here is like, Chehid and Myers are both on the last year of their contracts. So it's kind of tryout period for both of them. Because if you're going to give up two mid-round picks, sure, it would help

if they help you in a playoff run now. But you would love that to be like a long long term thing. And I think Shaheed would have a better chance for it to be a long term thing. But who knows? Maybe Jacoby Myers ends up resigning with the Jaguars or something long term as well. They want a Chris Godwin and a Mike Evans.

However, it shakes out one or two. I believe one of those players is Travis Hunter and the other one is going to be Jacoby Myers after Travis Hunter gets back. However, whichever position it shakes out being slot. What's Brian Thomas Jr. then? He's Jalen McMillan. Got to figure it out. Man. Emika Abuka. He's Emeka abuka. He's how to step back though he took from last season. It's hard when a new coaching staff comes in and it just doesn't seem

quite congruous to me yet. And it's, I don't know that it's anyone's fault particularly. I certainly don't want to bury the player. He's so talented. He really is. So talented. But it's like Patrick Claibon noticed it early in the season. They're sending him on all these endbreakers. that he doesn't feel comfortable with. Then he's running some in-breakers, some outbreakers. Trevor Lawrence, I almost did it again. Trevor Lawrence is only targeting him on outbreaking routes. Like his heat chart for passing is crazy in terms of where Brian Thomas Jr.

is running and the only times he will throw him the ball. So I'm just saying there's something going on that just is not quite matching yet. Hopefully it gets resolved. But you don't make a move like this just because people are injured. Travis Hunter is to Trevor Lawrence. as Sam Darnold is to Sam Bradford. Right, right, right. I got there, I got there.

Circle gets the square. Jacoby Myers, it's just like a comfortable pair of shoes. You know what I mean? Like, you know what you're going to get. And I have this feeling that he's some aged receiver because it was crazy that the Patriots let him walk. That contract aged so well. He only got $33 million over three years.

And they wouldn't even pay him that much or $39 million over three years. He's only 28 years old. So Jacobi Myers still, I think, has two or three more good years. But like Shahid in Seattle, they'll have decisions to make pretty soon. They'll get a little time to test drive it. Another couple of minor deals before we say goodbye. I should have mentioned with the Cowboys.

They also picked up Logan Wilson for a seventh, which is funny that they just gave up a pick for Logan Wilson, a guy who couldn't get on the field for the Bengals. But he probably will help that Cowboys linebacker group, which is not great. The casualty of Al Golden. Yes. And their defense, for what it's worth, they benched them and started playing two rookies. They've somehow gotten even worse since they benched them. And I always feel bad for Logan Wilson

because I'll always just remember that holding call he had that kind of swung the Super Bowl that was maybe not a holding call. Oh, my gosh. I totally forgot about that. Pretty tight. I mean, the Rams would have had a couple more plays at the goal line, but, you know, if they didn't call it, who knows? Joe Triang Chayanka also to the Bears for a late-round pick swap. So that's it for our trade deadline. The Colts are going for it.

I feel satisfied. So alive. How do you feel, by the way, as an Eagles fan? I should call it a live line. Am I right? Hey, yes. How do you feel as an Eagles fan? To me, the Jalen Phillips trade was not as big as these Jets trade,

but just as big or bigger than the Rashid Jihad and Jacobi Myers moves. You get a real deal young pass rusher. He was the best pass rusher at the deadline. And so of course, Howie Roseman was like ring. ring. Let me grab him. And I'm going to also help out my secondary as well. I love the move. It's aggressive. And that's what Howie's style. I'm wondering who's going to get cut there that someone can't make that team. Because they're adding Brandon Graham to the mix. They're adding Jalen Phillips to the next. I think they only had 51 roster spots though, right? They did clear some room in

terms of space. Jalick's Hunt is like is there. I mean, uh, Nolan Smith is there. But he's not on the active roster right now. It's just they got they got a lot of players. They got a lot of cornerbacks. Michael Carter they brought in. Javier Alexander they brought in. Also they earlier in the year, Tank Bigsby they brought in. Like, this is. You don't have to wait to the deadline to make the moves, but I'm glad that some teams did. So good luck to the Jets. We'll be talking about you a lot in the upcoming March and April's. 2026. Don't mess it up. 27. Cowboys will be talking about you a little less than we expected. I will fight the good fight.

That's right. You were so high on the Cowboys in the off season. I thought, well, that was before Michael Parsons got traded. But yes, I did take them over eight wins this year. And I guess Quinn and Williams gives us a chance. I'll tell you who's not given up on 2026, Greg. Yeah. Jerry Jones is not given up on 2025. Yes, he did. That's my point. The eternal off to this.

All right, we will come back. for the awards on Wednesday morning. Yes, tomorrow. We'll be back tomorrow. We'll also do our TNF preview. Yes, you'll see that show in the feed. Preseason MVP, all the rest. We'll be wearing the same stuff.

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