NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Trade Tsunami! NFL Trade Scenarios that aren't Stupid Clickbait by and for Idiots

Episode Date: October 16, 2019

A room filled with heroes - Dan Hanzus, Chris Wesseling, Gregg Rosenthal and Marc Sessler have returned to the US from London to discuss the blockbuster trade sending Jalen Ramsey to the Rams and Marcus Peters to the Ravens (5:59), Ryan Tannehill winning the Titans' starting QB job from Marcus Mariota (24:44), and Brock Osweiler's decision to retire from football (36:25). After that, the heroes unveil a new segment - "Trade Scenarios that aren't Stupid Clickbait by and for Idiots," where each of the hosts provide two realistic NFL trades that could happen this year (38:04). Finally, the ATN crew breaks down the upcoming Thursday night match-up between the Kansas City Chiefs and Denver Broncos (58:55) before calling it night!Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Mark Sessler, Chris Wessling, and Greg Rosenthal. What is up, boys? Hey, Dan. It's good to be back in the United States of America. Los Angeles greeting us with some 85 degree Fahrenheit. Forget that Celsius, garbage, weather. Oh, yeah. A little bit of a statement, I thought.

Big weather take by Greg. Yeah, a little bit of... I'm just saying, L.A. was like, hey, remember me. Remember how beautiful I am? It was a statement. It was a statement game by the weather because the weather usually is seasonably warm. It's seasonably warm in LA this time of year. But they made sure it wasn't going to be one of those weird overcast LA days when we came back after a day of a week of 60 and raining. It's like, hey, welcome back, boys. Don't fly away to, you know, anytime soon. I like the rain and like the trench coats and the umbrellas as a change up. Just not as kind of the permanent situation. But other than the. meteorological elements of that trip. It was an amazing trip to England again and the chance to catch up with all our fans out there and the live show was a huge hit.

Got to meet so many people and everything really was great. It was a great trip, Mark. Mark, are you going to talk? What's up? I'm just absorbing the incredible content and information that you've been providing about the weather in Los Angeles for the first eight minutes of this show. But the trip was amazing.

And I keep thinking you do that thing where, like, if the week ago was your vacation, you keep thinking, oh, it's Wednesday morning. Where was I on Wednesday morning in London time? But then you have to add eight hours. And I couldn't figure out any of these equations. I don't remember. It just went by like a dream. I think the highlight for me, like the quote of the week, was right after we finished the live show on Friday,

and we came off stage to thunderous applause. Mark pulled me aside, and he goes, Dan, pinch me. This is too perfect. That is not. You know, I'm not even going to interfere. Like, please believe that that's how I approached Dan. You had me until the too perfect part. It's like the fourth live thing we had in London.

I mean, I'm over-pinching myself. You had me had pinched me. Then you lost me. I just actually wanted you to pinch me, but you refused. That's fine. You know, back in my mailman days, when I'd, desperately need an escape before the proliferation of the internet, I had this idea of virtual reality tours of great cities and locations around the world.

You know, Anthony Bourdain came along and did that much better than I ever. Oh, he got on your corner before you can get there. But, you know, having the NFL pay for us to go travel to great cities is kind of cool. And if you think about it, podcasts function in kind of the same way as virtual reality tours anyway. Not everybody can cover the NFL, but they can come along. for the ride when we do, and we see that a lot at the live show,

that kind of attitude. Are you saying what I think you're saying? What's that? European Tour 2020! Well put, Wes. All right. Big show today. So, yeah, we're back.

We got a day, usual, as you know, if you're a regular listener, the show usually drops on a Tuesday. But we needed that, you know, as they say, a buzzy phrase in this decade that's coming to a close.

A mental health day was necessary, which we got. and I think we're all feeling and looking better. So let's get to it because the NFL soap opera. It did not slow down while we were gone. In fact, a lot of huge plot lines. We have trades to get to. We have a trade deadline that's coming up in a couple of weeks.

And with the big trades with Jacksonville and the Rams and what could come in the days and weeks ahead, how about this seg? Trade scenarios that could come to fruition. Like, you know, like real trade situations that could pop up and then if we, all we have to do is nail one and we're geniuses.

So we will go twice each. I thought the segment was called trade scenarios that aren't stupid clickbait buy and four idiots. That is the full name of the seg. And that's true too because this isn't going to be like, you know, send Dak Prescott to the Titans for 14 first-round picks.

No, these are things that could conceivably happen in the National Football League. You know, and it's a temptation when we do these segments to come up with scenarios that are literally white, hot fire. And, you know, don't necessarily make a lot. The trades that happen outside a couple of the big names are rather methodical. So maybe some of these will be low-octane and less interesting, but correct. Is that a preview of yours? I'm just saying, I tried to. approach this very robotically this time because I think that usually these instructions are

an in-house directive for me not to come up with something that doesn't make sense. Yeah, it's mostly directed at you. You're like, all right, can we not include something that like includes Dr. Chow or ponies? Right. And so I have I have followed your directions to a T. I would have called directions, but if that's how you, uh, you know, heard them or felt them, that's fine too. That is how I heard them and felt them. All right. And also the Thursday night football preview, a great, great game, I think, an AFC West battle between two teams going in different directions right now. But before that, yes, I mentioned trades. So let's hit the news. Oh, my God. It's a tsunami. A trade tsunami, that is.

get that sound drop for your own. Like, that is not something that's downloadable, but perhaps if we can monetize it, we will let you get Frags, you know, making that statement again. You can have that. Do you want to hear it again? Oh, yeah.

I would like... All right, let's listen to it again. Oh, my God. It's a tsunami. A trade tsunami, that is. Whoa. How about that? Frag should get a job, like,

as the audible voice on... We just got a window into Dan's mind. He has been listening to that. by himself many times. Whoa. All right. Let's get to it. Jalen Ramsey got his wish.

He was traded on Tuesday to the Los Angeles Rams. Of course he was. The Jags getting two first round picks in 2020 and 2021, as well as a fourth round pick in 2021. The Jags confirmed this trade. And now Ramsey joins. LA, a team trying to find itself, find itself right now. And in the hours before this trade went down, we found out that Akeeb Talib, their veteran corner,

was sent to IR. And Marcus Peters, who once upon a time was added to be the big missing piece filler for the Rams had been traded to the Ravens for 50 cents on the dollar. Well, now here comes Ramsey to save the day, Wes. Well, that's the plan. They think that he's a defense, a team-changing kind of player. This is the most competition, most compensation, sorry, for a defensive back in history, according to Pro Football Journal.

This is the highest anyone's ever paid for a defensive back. Way more than the bucks ever gave up for Dorel Revis. Since 1986, 33 years ago, only about a dozen guys have been traded for at least two first-round picks. So he's in rare company here. And I think the way I look at this is the Rams don't think about their future the way, say, the Jaguars do or the Bengals do or the Redskins do. They think about their future the way the Yankees, Real Madrid, Manchester United, think about their franchise. They want to be the number one brand in sports. Right now they're tied with the Red Sox for 12th in the world, according to Forbes.

And with that stadium opening up with the number one brand in sports? It means they're operating at a much higher level than any of the world. these other NFL teams, except for the Cowboys. I don't trust this forbs nonsense. Okay. I mean, well, you can use someone else. You get his point, though. What they're trying to do here.

I was just surprised by that. With that stadium, they think they can do it. The stadium, the market, you know, they're willing to give up their draft picks, and they don't have a first round pick until 2022. They'll end up giving up five first round draft picks in a row, five years in a row. Does anybody else think that's crazy? I do. I do.

Everything that we've learned about team building. over the years that we've worked here together or just as an NFL fan is that a big part of building a real sustainable enterprise is through the draft, through the young players and the salaries that aren't overly bloated

that come with a young player out of the draft. So to completely, Mark, remove that from the blueprint here, it feels like you're flirting with disaster. Well, so I can think it's a move toward the insanity toward the insane. But they can prove me completely wrong by winning a Super Bowl title this year because they must feel themselves to be in that realm. Not that they're logically super far removed from it, but I'm not sure this is even a better team than it was a year ago. I don't think it is. I think they've got distinct depth issues. Their offensive line is a mess. Todd Gurley is a big

question mark. And the biggest cornerbacked trades that I can remember, because I don't really put Revis into this when he went to the Bucks, because you sent him to Tampa into the total Netherworld, was when, you know, mid-90s, when Dionne Sanders flip-flop between the Cowboys and Niners and operated as a last piece of the puzzle that brought both teams a world championship. This is a last piece of the puzzle type move on paper, and I don't think that they're a piece away. You look what else has happened to their secondary in the last 24 hours, and I'm just not sure the Rams are that much better of a team right now than they were a day ago, maybe I'm completely

wrong about this. It threw it's, it hit me as a little bit too much of a cost. You're referring to Johnny Johnson, their safety also moved to IR. So three-fourths of their secondary 48 hours ago no longer connected. Well, Talib, Tili was not good this year. It was a below

average starter. Troy Hill, for what it's worth, has played a little better when he's been in there. John Johnson is a huge loss. Johnny. The fact it's Johnny. They put Taylor Rapp into the starting lineup now too. So that could end up being, you you know, who knows what that could be. John Johnson, I think is a good player

and you're losing them off a team that is already short-handed. But the fact they knew about that when they made this trade tells me it's not for this year. They know they're not as good a team as they were a year ago. I don't think they're blind to that.

I think they're certainly hopeful that they could be a much better team by the end of this year that they can figure out ways to improve. It's only six games here. But the analysis on this trade that's, you know, flummox me the most is that this is some sort of win now.

This is it. They're putting all their chips in the middle of the table. That's what everyone said a year ago about them too. And they do have a ton of changes coming up on their defense. But he's under contract through next year at a very, you know, relatively cheap rate. So he's in their team next year. They have the franchise tag after that. And you, of course, do not make this deal without the expressed plan,

whether it happens or not, to sign Jalen Ramsey long term. I mean, they just aren't going to make it. And Ramsey in his first comments since the trade says he plans to be there, you know, forever and ever. They're going by the logic that it's easy to get picks. And this does run counter to basically everything we've talked about and seen for a long time, which in my mind makes it seem interesting and maybe valuable. You always want to zig when the rest of the league is zagging. Good difference-making players are a lot harder to find than first-round picks.

First-round pick, everyone gets those. not many people can get game-changing players like Aaron Donald and Jalen Ramsey. I guess part of the question is, is Ramsey that sort of player? That's maybe the biggest gamble of this entire deal. It's not just a narrative. Mike Silver, per a organizational decision maker with the Rams, the quote is, we're swinging for the fences. Yeah.

We're in it to win it. That tells me it's for this year and the future, but it's definitely for this year too. But it's for both. I think you can do both at the same time always. Like this weird thing that it's like a choice, they're planning to be competitive and good every single season. Like that's the plan that they,

when they traded for Sammy Watkins, that felt like a short-term thing. But then you get the compensatory pickback. And that was a deal that went terribly. They're operating very differently in terms of their team building. There is certainly risk to it. But I think they're looking at like if you can have five or six core huge difference makers we can figure out the rest around him the problem you know the bigger

problem is is jared goff that sort of player and in certainly i think todd girly is not that sort of player right their eyes are wide open i think they realize it's a risk but they look at it like even if there's only like say a 10% chance of us becoming super bowl champions look what if we manage to nail that drive drive through the eye of the needle look what our franchise will become if you do that and you have to give yourself that opportunity right if it's a chance. If they win a Super Bowl, any questions surrounding this deal melt away because it's going to include Jalen Ramsey probably dancing around the field as they're up in the fourth quarter and will look great. My concern whether it's a win this year or a win over the next two years type thing

is that five years. I think he's going to be on this team. But there is another way. It's not just that only the bold team ship away first round picks and operate to ignore the draft because you've got a lot of money tied up in Jared Gough. You've got a lot of money tied up in Todd Gurley. I think there's questions about both of those players. In general, I think that it's very fair to critique this. If the Rams come out of this season, losing a wild card game and head into the off-season

with no first-round draft picks over the next five years, there's different ways to build teams. This is a distinctive departure from the norm, and trade tsunamis are fine. Too much tsunami is too much tsunami. Now to the Jaguar side of things, starting with a missive from Executive Vice President

of Football Operations Tom Coffler. Given the situation with Jalen, we made this decision based on what we thought is in the best interest of the Jacksonville Jaguars for this season and well into the future. We feel the trade that we struck with the Rams gives us great value for the next two drafts. And we remain very confident that our team today will compete this season for a division title. Jalen was a productive player, but the time came to move on and we wish him and his family the best in Los Angeles.

I've made myself exceedingly clear on the Jalen Ramsey situation that I found it distasteful and ugly that he sat out these past three games and I thought it said a lot about him and good luck to the Rams and hopefully he stays happy with Los Angeles so the same thing's going to happen to you one day but he is out of the building

and you have to I thought one of the downsides in addition to abandoning your teammates like Jalen Ramsey did was that you may kneecap the Jags in terms of a trade value, but that's not what happened here, obviously. This is, they are, they are nicely set up now to kind of figure out what comes next for this franchise. So while you don't want to ever take out a gifted cornerback in his mid-20s,

at least they didn't end up in a situation where they're getting 50 cents on the dollar. It was pretty good value, all things considered. I think good owner work by Shad Khan that he stepped in, It sounds like, according to Charles Robinson, Yahoo, he didn't really want to trade Ramsey, that I think the front office, you know, according to the reporting, and you can kind of read between lines, Coughlin and Ramsey had a dust up. They had something that happened between them that immediately afterwards, Ramsey asked for the trade, and they were never able to bridge that gap. Khan was trying to have it both ways where he was trying to get them back together. He was trying to keep Ramsey as part of the organization. And while I think some teams thought initially,

and there are reports out there who it was, the Eagles, the Saints, the Bears, maybe, that Ramsey was going to get traded pretty quickly. Kahn kind of stepped in, said, slow your role, we don't want to do this. And what ended up happening over the last couple weeks is the price tag went way up because the Rams specifically got more either desperate

or just willing to make a big time deal to the point where you kind of have to say yes, because what are we doing here? Khan was in this position where I think he was feeling like he had to choose between Tom Coughlin and his player. And I don't think he necessarily even made that choice, but his statement was really interesting today. Shot Khan said that the Jaguars are doing just fine today. I give kudos to our football staff, not only for managing this matter, blah, blah, blah. Credit also goes to our players for their professional approach during this situation.

It did not go unnoticed. Now it's time to turn attention again. What's most important, the Jaguars. Now that sounds good. But you've got a strange situation right now, and I'll shut up in a second, that the front office maybe wanted one thing. You have a coach who's maybe out there who knows what he wants. Then you have a GM who doesn't really seem to be in control that David Caldwell. And then you have Khan, who I think is a good owner overall, but there's a lot of things going on.

And I thought Doug Marone's comments today in his press conference were really telling when he was asked about the trade. I just wish I can give you the insight and the answers that that that question needs to be answered. I don't have that. So, and I wish we can get someone up here that can answer it. Motioning to the side of the room to his PR director. You know what I'm saying? Gene, it's me.

You know what I'm saying? So I really, you don't know, you don't know. You know, you don't know until down the road. Translison, they don't tell me anything. He sounds like every uncle that was ever at a family barbecue you when I was growing up. I think they're treating him like... Translation, I'm not involved.

They're treating him like an uncle at the barbecue. And why do I have to answer for stuff I don't want to do or not involved in? Something else. I do think, though, that like, there are a lot of owners who are great at business outside of football and they come in and they can't handle the football business at all. I don't feel the way about Shod Khan. So, yes, Marcus Peters, as we said, he gets traded to the Ravens in exchange for linebacker Kenny Young, also a undisclosed draft pick.

I think it's a fifth round pick. Yeah. Yeah. So Peters gets a fresh start with Baltimore. Seems like a very Baltimoreian trade. Chris Wesleying. Well, the Ravens are a defense in flux right now. They signed a pair of inside linebackers off the street, LJ. Fort and Josh Binds,

who immediately went into their starting lineup and their starters were benched. Now their secondary is getting the same treatment. Jimmy Smith finally returned from his MCL injury to, practice this week. You throw Marcus Peters in there, Tony Jefferson, their safety out for the year. They've got a lot of flux right there on their defense. So they are doing the same thing the Rams are kind of doing, like starting over in week seven on your defense as far as making huge changes. That Peters is playing pretty well this year. That's the strange thing about this trade. He's not a great tackler, but I think he was playing fairly well. It's funny because

everyone is so excited about the Peters-Salib combo. It didn't really work out. Then again, you think about it. And it's like, you know, they held the Patriots of 13 points in the Super Bowl. Their defense had a Super Bowl winning performance. And then everyone would have said that those moves were fine. Their cornerbacks were terrible last year. I wouldn't say they were terrible. Tilly was fine. Um, you, if you read about this also, you're hearing that the Rams are sick of Marcus Peters too, potentially. Well, I'm the scenes. It was two days ago, Sean, as where the Chiefs once upon a time. They absolutely wanted to re-sign him. This is a football issue, not a character issue. You know, Les Needs said, even today, like, when I told,

Marcus Peters about this, no athlete could have handled it better. He was classy. I don't think it's a character thing. Freelancing on the football field is a football issue, not a character thing. So I think I don't want to, I don't want to our podcast to go out there and say this guy was a handful for the Rams to deal with because we're not hearing that. And I think he fits what the Ravens like to do. They want to be able to get a little more creative up front by letting their corners cover man to man, which is certainly, you know, the way Peters rolls instead of playing zone. That's a question about Ramsey, too. I just, I want to see Jalen Ramsey kind of be the best corner in the league.

I think he's only been at that level for spurts. You know what I mean? And so we'll see it. For one whole season. Sure, but that wasn't, you know, that was a couple seasons ago. And so I think it's a great move for the Ravens. I mean, they traded a guy. Kenny Young was just a throw on.

He had been benched for three straight weeks. The Rams decided they wanted to pay Jalen Ramsey rather than Marcus Peters. Yeah. One more trade here. The Browns give up on Austin. and Corbett, the offense alignment that they took 33 overall in the 2018 draft. They send him to the Rams, so the Rams make another deal for a fifth round draft pick in 2021. Mark Corbett, when he came aboard, that's obviously that's essentially almost

the first round pick there, but they decided quite quickly, I guess, that he wasn't the answer for them. Well, that second round also brought Nick Chubb, who has been a raging success, but that is a John Dorsey swing and a miss and totally acknowledging it by moving on him. They tried everything. They tried putting him at every position to the point where he was considered to be the future left tackle.

They thought he might be able to take over the center position from J.C. Treter, who they need to resign. I don't know what the Rams, they probably think we can turn them around and fix it, but they're going to get stuck having to deal lower picks or work on guys that the teams are passing on. I think directly relates to their lack of higher picks in the draft because how are you going to replace

Andrew Whitworth, who's not going to be there probably after this season or probably shouldn't be. You're not going to do it with a fourth round pick or a fifth round pick. That is where I do get concerned about the high bounty of place. There's only certain places you can get a left tackle. Because it's fair concerns. Right. And there's no solution that seems apparent for this year's offensive line. I mean, Austin Corbett certainly isn't it? They might as well take a swing, but it's like there's no obvious way for them to fix it.

In other Browns, this happened right before we came upstairs. Miles Garrett tweeted out, and I'll read the tweet word for word here. A quote fan, close quote, hopped out of his car to take a picture with me and then punched me in my face. Hmm, put your legs into it. Might actually made me flinch, thumbs up. Now, this, I'm kind of fascinated by this because Miles Garrett is the most. arguably, of course, but I believe the most physically imposing player in football.

If you remember hard knocks, just him walking around with his shirt off, he seems superhuman. I mean, his size and his strength and his build, he would be the last guy you would ever try to sucker punch. And then there's all, you know, who would do such a thing, Mark? Do you know the person who did this?

Let's start there. No, of course not. But I mean, if you're going to go and play the sucker punching fan role, why go hit I didn't know there was one I don't know I didn't know there was either but you don't want to nail

some third round third string linebacker go for the height and go for his high you know go for the best target you can to Miles Garrett he just brushed it off

entirely because I think he's made entirely out of iron and stone and can't be you know knocked around by some gibroney fan but to me a non-story no that's an amazing story

it's not a great story but that's a story get it together bro Find the guy and lock him up. Find that dude. Lock him up. And you know what? Not legal, by the way.

Ask him about this. I want to know why you did it. I got a feeling maybe he was looking for money. He was trying to go to the millionaire football player to knock him out. But that's just speculation by me. Let's move on. Mary's a little serious in the room right now. Let's loosen up a little bit.

Punching above your weight. Okay. Here we go. Keep moving. The Titans will start Ryan Tannahill over Marcus Mariota against the Chargers. That came from Rapsheet, Tom Pelliserro on Tuesday night. This comes, of course, after Marietta struggled mightily against the Denver Broncos. He couldn't lead the team past midfield before Tannihill came on and finished out that 16 to nil defeat.

So here comes Tannahill. I think a lot of people, Greg, saw this as a possibility at some point in the season. Are you surprised that it happened in the middle of October? I'm very surprised. I guess not as much after watching Marioada this season that happened, but I wouldn't have guessed that coming into the year. Because Tanna Hill has so many of the similar issues that Marietta does, which starts with kind of a lack of feel of the position

and reading defenses and getting rid of the ball quickly, making quick decisions. They're very similar players, both very athletic. I don't know. It's hard to imagine Tanna Hill saving them. Well, they both, to use a phrase that Alex Mason, our buddy with Sky Sports, they both eat sacks. They just love to munch on sacks all day long. That's their style.

And Marioita had gotten to the point where he can't drive the ball down the field or into tight windows. That was never a strength of his, and it had gotten worse. The Titans by DVOA, Football Outsiders metric, 29 in efficiency, 27 and pass, 26 and run, 32 in pass blocking, 27 and run blocking, 29 in yards per drive, 28 and drive success rate. They were miserable. They were down there with the dolphins and bangles and the pre-darnal jets as the dregs of the lead.

And you had to change it up. You know, I was reminded someone found a tweet of mine from Thanksgiving time 2016. What a time. Mariotta was coming off an eight-game stretch with a 21 to 3 TD to I&T ratio and a 118 passer rating. The Titans were averaging over 30 points a game during that eight-game stretch.

That ended up being sort of of the wave crested and then rolled back and washed away his Titans career. Yeah, I don't view the move as having really anything to do with Ryan Tannahill. I think it's just a team that probably could have benched Marriota last year and benched him for good. And they're done with him. He's gone. He won't be on the team next season.

And it's probably a softer entree into that move by simply putting Tannahill in there earlier. I guess Marioato probably start again just because I feel like their problems are so significant. Your offensive line is dead last and pass blocking, and their new play caller Arthur Smith hasn't done anything to impress anything. Malarkey was the peak. He was peak Titans. Everyone, including in this room, myself,

we had a lot of fun at old Mike Malarkey's expense. But you know what? It never got any better. That was actually the best the Titans ever were. Exotic smash mouth, baby. There's a discussion to be had. What would you rather have? The first round pick, especially the early first round like Mariotta was.

number two overall that flames out spectacularly or and you know pretty quickly that he's not the answer like a paxton lynch or is mariotto almost worse a guy that you essentially dedicated five years to waited and waited and hoped and now where are they i mean they're a host of nine and seven seasons uh one playoff win and now they're going to essentially start over at the position it's kind of in a way a worst case scenario when it comes to building through the top of it's It's probably more off seasons of trying, in this narrative row, you know, Mariotta's put on weight and blah, blah, blah, and he's looking strong. And like, it's the same thing with Winston.

It's a half a decade under the river. It's worse. It's a different room in hell. I don't know why. It's not worse. It's somehow worse than the huge bus. The worst possible result is getting Tannahill. I mean, Tannahill was seven seasons, right?

Or six seasons where you gave him a second contract because he kind of tricked you into it. And Bortles was like that, too. You could say Dalton, too. Right. Well, I don't, like Dalton at one point, 2015, they were a Super Bowl contest. I shouldn't have said Dalton. Let's leave Dalton out of this. I'm just saying they were a Super Bowl contender. Yes, he's the Dalton scale.

I just think for the healthier franchise, you're probably better off flaming out and then trying again, because unless you're actually right, you just need as many tracks. Johnny Mansell, a perfect example. Horrible, embarrassing, terrible, but very quickly they were able to regroup and then go get the guy they want. Well, all right. So, you know, if you're a fan base that's lived through both. kind of failures. Neither are pleasant. And there isn't a real way to measure one being a lot worse than the other, I don't think. But you want a front office that has eyes open that says,

we're three years into this. We could continue to sell people, James Winston. He's going to continue to have three and four and five interception games. And then we'll give you a fiddle and song dance all off season that Coach X is going to fix them. But a good, the better front offices say, we can self-scout. He does, he's not working. We're three years into Marriota. Cut bait. I don't think this is why the Rams, why the Rams are trading away first. round picks, but I think it was Warren Sharp tweeted out the top five picks at quarterback in the last 25 years. It's a pretty low hit rate. It is less than half. And, you know, and even the hits are, you know, includes guys like Stafford. It's great. It is like so tough. It's not that, yeah,

it's tough to evaluate your own quarterback when you can't extract his surrounding talent and the play caller. And if you thought Ryan Tannihill replacing Marcus Mariotto ultimately didn't really matter, I got something for you. Even more down this path. Ryan Fitzpatrick will start for the Dolphins on Sunday against the bill, sending Josh Rosen to the bench. This comes four days after Brian Flores, the Dolphins coach, said that Josh Rosen,

the second year passer, will start for the rest of the season. He had a change of heart, and a lot of it, I imagine, had to do with Rosen's abysmal showing against the previously winless Redskins, where he went 15 of 25 for 85 yards, two terrible interceptions. So Fitzmagic back in. And, you know, it does show you the difference.

Ryan Flores wants to win games. The Dolphins as an organization want to lose games. Well, the coach wins on this one because Fitzpatrick absolutely gives them a better chance to win, I believe, at this time. But still, what I mean by it doesn't matter, well, the dolphins are irrelevant. And also, there's only so much anyone could do, especially 36-year-old Ryan Fitzpatrick. Fitzpatrick always gives you a better chance to win until a game or two later when you come to the conclusion that he doesn't give you a better chance

to win. Then Josh Rosen will come back. And then Josh Rosen will come back. The most exciting thing that happened by the Dolphins today was their beat writer for, I think it's the Florida Sentinel, Safeed Dean, sent out a great hit of Brian Flores knocking the teeth out of Frank Gore in a college football game in 1993.

Forcing a fumble that was the linebacker. Frank Gore was playing college football in 1999. I don't know what year it was. That can't be true. It wasn't 90. How old is this man? It wasn't 93. Whatever year. 2003, maybe. Whatever year it is, Flores had some pop, and I was excited to see it. All right.

2003 is correct. All right. Wes, buckle up. The NFL competition committee, their chairman, Rich McKay, told reporters on Tuesday, it's too early in the season to make a declaration on the effectiveness on replay review of offensive and defensive past interference. Wes, I know you want to hear from Mr. McKay, don't you? No. Well, you're going to hear from him anyway.

I don't think, Ian, that we've, we've. We would give information on whether a rule that's been in place for six weeks or not working. You know, let's let the season play out. Just like in use of helmet last year, we waited until it was a new rule. We waited to the end of the year. We went back and examined all of it. We definitely looked at the officiating of it. We looked at the teaching of it.

And I think we've gotten ourselves in a pretty good place. Chris? It's like listening to Vince McMahon. I mean, why would I believe any of this? I think new listeners might be surprised because I grumble a lot about the rules. Check the archives over the first few years we had this podcast. And I said every time football is so much better than the other sports when it comes to the competition committee, making the game entertaining, progressing the game. I used to say that all the time.

And now they can't get out of their own way. And it's this competition committee. Look, this idea that we have to wait until the end of the year to know this is a debacle is crazy. So what's your goal? So that by playoff time, we're going to have a totally different role than the one's been called all year, that nobody's going to know what passer. All these guys have been told you have to mug someone at the catch in order for it to be called. It only matters if it happens in January.

That can't be a goal. It's not a goal. It's like when the catch rule was in place and we kept hearing this boogeyman of fumbles. Oh, no, we can't change the catch rule because there'll be so many fumbles. Wait, we had the similar catch rule 10 years before that, and fumbles, weren't an issue. There's always some boogeyman now that they got to tell us about. It's a credibility issue.

It's a waste of time issue. You cannot show something on a TV screen and then tell people you didn't see that. That's, I mean, well said. Moving on, uh, the Patriots made a roster move. They suspended veteran defensive lineman Michael Bennett for their Monday night game against the New York Jets. Uh, why?

It was conduct detrimental to the team. He did, he was not a practice on Tuesday. He did issue a statement, uh, to ESPN regarding the one week ban. Um, on Friday, I had a philosophical disagreement with my position coach that has led to my suspension. I apologize to my teammates for any distraction this may have caused. He played 11 sacks against the giants, 11 snaps against the giants, 14 snaps against the Redskins. So it doesn't have the role he wants. but I'm just really taken by how the Patriots even turn Michael Bennett into a robot.

I mean, that's Michael Bennett statement? That's what we get from Michael Bennett after he gets suspended? Really wants to win that Super Bowl. They turn him into a robot. Well, not on the field. That's what Michael Bennett sounds like now, Mark. That's what he sounds like, Sessler. I mean, I knew a sound bit was coming, so I didn't want to interrupt.

Tough crowd. What do we think about this? Well, he's not a robot on the field. I think the defense is different than they ever imagined. They played four-man defensive line, almost half the snaps last year. This year, they play a four-man defensive line, virtually no snaps. It's a three-four defense where they're asking the defensive linemen to occupy blockers. It's not really what Michael Bennett does or necessarily wants to do, probably.

And so he's not really playing. I mean, a guy, like Adam Butler is playing way more than Michael Bennett. I think they'll find a way to use them eventually, because that's just what they do. Or he'll be chopped unless, I mean, I would love if he could come in and maybe the Eagles could use him, you know, in his normal role. I do wonder, and there's been speculation in New England, like, would you have a decent trade market that you get anything for Michael Bennett? You would think the Eagles would be like, come on, give him to me. We'll give you, I don't know. How many teams has Michael Bennett been on now?

I feel like it changes teams like three times a year now. Hucks, sea hawks. Ever since he, you know, generated his slight toward. you at the Super Bowl, Dan. He's been a journeyman. I almost forgot about that. Think about that. Put it all together.

Finally, in the news, Brock Osweiler announced his retirement. I'm extremely grateful for the time I did receive playing in the National Football League. He said in an interview with nine news. He hangs up his cleats, having earned $41.3 million over seven seasons. I'd retire, too. Timing is every.

What more is to be accomplished? I mean, Bill O'Brien's pulled off a lot of, career kind of resuscitations or just like hanging, you know, walking that high wire act and keeping it all going, surviving the Brock Icewaller fiasco to get to the point he is now where he could make those tonsil trades and everything else that's actually looking great this year was his greatest feat. Because that usually would bury lesser men. Signed, signed up to that big contract, but they were able to move him out of town. Quickly.

Browns. One year. And very quickly, yes, was able to diagnose, oh, we botched us, I botches, let's go get a young player who just so happened to be Deshaun Watson. And by the way, as bad as John Elway has been since the Super Bowl, he got bailed out of that because he offered Osweiler a ton of money to stay in Denver. So could this Elway messy post-Super Bowl 50 legacy could even be worse right now, but he got bailed out there.

That's a good point. People also thought that the way that the Browns traded for Osweiler to absorb A big chunk of salary cap away from the Texans and get a pick. That that would be the wave of the future. How many teams have done that since? Well, right? They got Austin Corbett for the trouble, right? Or one of those.

But who knows? I don't know which pick it actually turned out to be. It helped everything. There are no Osweilers in the future, so it can't be a wave. That is what's happening in the news. All right. Let's get to it. Trade scenarios that aren't stupid clickbait.

Buy and four idiots. So throwing out there. We've got to hear who the players involved. I'd like to know the terms as well to really decide whether or not this is a feasible trade. All right, I'll throw out one before someone else throws out

a Nick Falls trade. Smart, smart. You want to get in front of an exercise like this so you don't lose one of your... I mean, this one makes so much sense. Now, this Thursday's game, which we'll get to in a second, could have an effect on the Denver Broncos.

But let's say they lose this game. And let's say they're thinking about next year. I think they could trade a couple veterans over to the job. Jacksonville Jaguars and get the quarterback they wanted all along and Nick Foles. Chris Harris, Derek Wolf, and a third round pick for Nick Foles. Now, that almost sounds like a lot. A lot. That's way too much. Wolf is all... Chris Harris is a better player than Nick Fools. Here, listen to this. Chris Harris and

Derek Wolf are on the last year of their contract. It's just for this year. It's just to make the Jaguars better this year. Wolf didn't look like his career would necessarily be continuing maybe that long way, at least the way he was. playing earlier. So that's just, again, another guy on his contract year that you're just taking a swing at. And a third round pick. Considering the price of quarterbacks, including, you know, Nick Foles and other trades, I actually think that's pretty reasonable. You're, you're basically getting rid of two guys you want to get rid of anyways, and you're trading a mid-round pick, and suddenly you have your starter for late this season and ending into next season at a very

reasonable price. Everyone's happy. No way. I'm doing that if I'm the Broncos. Really? No way. Why would I believe that Foles is better than having Flacco and Drew Locke? Yeah, my concern would be just, what is Nick Foles as a 16 game start at this point? There's just too much evidence that durability is an issue and his stretch is a play that's last beyond in Philadelphia, three or four games. Here's what John L.A, if he's done anything right at quarterback, you got to keep taking swings until you get one. Yeah, but that swings cost in the third round pick Chris Harris, Derek Wolf, and the possibility of getting back in. into the race this year. Those two guys are giveaways. I mean, they're going to give them away to someone. But you're also giving up 10 games of your season. Right. I'm assuming they're going to

lose Thursday night and that they're not going to be a factor. Two weeks from now, they might be two and six. It's always dangerous bringing this up in this room. But that would also then be turning over the franchise to Gardner Minchu after four games. No, I, like, I'm not going to come at you about that because I think you need to, you need to be sure about Gardner Minchew because the, you know, we talk about the first round quarterbacks that flame out. There's been just as many stories of guys that turn it on for six or seven weeks, then they're totally exposed. And so you... I'm not saying, I'm not saying that's what I think Minchew is, but it would be a big leap to Foles who you had coveted for a long time. You give them

the deal, you get him on the first day of free agency. And because he gets hurt and the, this unknown comes in and lights it up, you make the move. Yeah, if we're going to be concerned about the sample size of Nick Foles as a starter. Well, we should definitely be about a rookie who's been exciting but been in there for a month plus. All right. Not bad, Greg. Not bad. Not bad at all.

Little clickbaity. Yeah, but yeah, I wouldn't get too upset. Anything with Fools is going to be clickbby. All right. You know what? I'm feeling generous. I'm going to stay out of the way here. I want to hear more from you guys. Wes.

Well, we talked about the norm. Thank you. What is the norm around the league? And we talked about zigging when everyone else is zagging. Well, overpaying and swinging for the fensches, worrying about the future later is the new norm. The Rams, the Texans, the Steelers with Mika Fitzpatrick, Chiefs with Frank Clark, Bears with Kalilomack, Saints with Marcus Davenport, 49ers with D. Ford. And I've got the Trent Williams to the Browns thing, there's some smoke here. I don't know if there's any fire, but there's definitely some smoke with John Dorsey, Brown's GM, saying he's had a few conversations. conversations with Redskins GM, Bruce Allen, but it takes two to tango.

Canton Repository reported that Trent Williams should be on the Brown's roster quite soon. Seems like more of a rumor than anything else. But there does appear to be smoke here, and I think the Browns would have to overpay. We're in a seller's market. And right now you have Bruce Allen running the football side of one of the most valuable franchises in the NFL. And instead of mining that 31-year-old with major durability issue,

and no intention of ever playing for your team for a bounty of draft picks to rebuild, you're opting for spite. You're just saying I'm waiting. I'm not going to trade him. But let's give him the benefit of doubt and saying he's simply holding out for a godfather deal

in an obvious seller's market. What about a first, third, and fifth round pick for Trent Williams? Browns have an extra mid-round pick for Duke Johnson and another fifth for Wyatt Teller trade. So they've got some extra pick. This one actually reminds me a little bit

the Amari Cooper trade. The need is for a number one. wide receiver and there's only one available. Now the need is for a left tackle. There's only one available. You have to overpay if you want him. The reason I do it if I'm Cleveland, whether you like the cost or not, is that the problem isn't going away. You're going to have to go into the offseason where probably he's the number one tradable target still, if that's what the Redskins are saying they want to do.

Or you have to hope that you hit on a left tackle in the draft, which has been a dodgy proposition for teams too. We know he's good. You get him this season and you get him into the future and he's not a young left tackle. It's not Laramie Tunsell. So the sooner, the better. And if you're the Redskins, you're going to get more now, I think, than you would six months from now in the offseason. I presume. From the Brown side of it, he's going to want to become the highest paid left tackle in the league, right? Or otherwise he's going to be his upside. I know there was medical stuff with Washington. I don't think this is about money. It's always about money. Everything's about money. I think Washington, he feels burned by the way. That's a big part of this. He wasn't looking for

a new deal. He doesn't want to play for the Redskins. If he gets traded, you don't think he's going to be looking for a new contract? Then you give him a new deal because it's the most important position. Working out of the assumption, which I guess could be flawed, that Trent Williams wouldn't want a new deal to replace his current one. You have Odell

Beckham, one of the highest paid wide receivers in the league. Baker Mayfield on a rookie deal but won't be forever and we'll get Mondo money. Nick Chub, you already have Miles Garrett who's going to need big money. You have Denzel Ward who's going to need big money. I guess the one thing you get in trouble with potentially and bring in a veteran left tackle is you don't want to be top

heavy team we've talked about that on this podcast but the names you mentioned makes it they should pay for Trent Williams now because Baker Ward and Chubb won't have to be paid for a long time well also we can't we can't like talk about the Rams being at the forefront of team building by paying I don't think the Rams are all right I don't think we're at the forefront they're paying five or six veterans exorbitant money the Browns are talking about three or four people that aren't going to get paid for at least two more seasons. Well, what's unsaid in all this is there's a new CBA coming in 2020, one, in theory. And I think the Rams are playing a little into that uncertainty.

Where is this cap going to go? Like, what is that landscape going to look like in general? Who knows? Trent Williams is about as high risk, high reward as you can possibly have. He's not Laramie Tunsel. He missed, he didn't play that well last year. In the previous two seasons, he played through a torn Patel attendant, and then last season. He missed time with thumb, knee, and rib

injuries. He's also one of the great left tackles. It's a lot going on there. A borderline Hall of Fame player if he had been on a different franchise, maybe even with this franchise. So he could be a total win, but there's a ton of risk that comes with it. Mark. All right. This one is

this guy, someone I thought would have been traded before, and he wasn't. It's Melvin Gordon. And the reason I think you have a seller potentially in the Chargers is because of the elongated hold. out because he's returned to the field and he's just not really a fit and he's not boosting the offense. You are already super deep at the position.

If anything, Melvin Gordon, it's not his fault, has come back and reduce the value of Austin Echler. And kind of the offense for the last couple weeks, for the trying to shove him in there and give him increased carries, it just feels like you're carrying to all the wrong ideas here. I want to hear where you see him going because I kind of was racking my brain on that, where Melvin Gordon makes sense. It's not an immediate home. run this minute. But the reason I think it would make sense is that you are the Buffalo

Bills that are going to need to be a run-heavy team no matter what because of the quarterback you have. Frank Gore has been good this year, but after this season, Frank Gore will not be on the bills. Devin Singletary is valuable, but behind the him, you've got nothing. So you'd have Melvin-Gordon and Devin-Singletary rolling into the off-season. And I think you sign Melvin Gordon without even worrying about it to a long-term extension. And you have a backfield to battle against. I have bills for Melvin Gordon, too. Wow.

Look at that. I think Singletary is a guy, a core piece to build around. The problem is you just haven't seen it too much. It might be their heckler, though. Right, he should be paired. It's not a bad thing to pair him with someone. Anyhow. I don't like that for, you know, 2019, Frank Gore.

Right, Gordon's not going anywhere. He was playing college in 1993. Right. I don't think Melvin Gordon is necessarily field ready at this point. So I don't think he has to go play 30 snaps for the bills next week or something. I also didn't mention the terms, so they got them for nothing. I would like to know the terms. What is Melvin Gordon worth that a contract year?

I don't think you can get a first round pick from Elvin Gordia. That's just me. I'm not great at this game. I think second round pick. Second rounder. Maybe even third and something else instead of a second. You know, I don't even think you can get a second. I don't know if you can get a third.

Bro. Third seems right. Third feels like you could have a high value. Everyone's got a third for Tyron Taylor. You got Devin Singleton in the third. If you're willing to pay Gordon money to a third, that's a lot. Mark, you really brought that in for a landing. Good job.

Thank you. Nice player. Thank you, Dan. Nice team. Even the terms are pretty good. Also, a 35-year-old running back, it's reasonable to suspect that he may not be as strong in January as he wasn't. Hey, I remember you honking about Frank Gore being done about four years ago.

He's still chucking and breaking records. He's chucking and breaking records. All right. I will now go. Maybe I'll even snake it. I'm going to double on this one. All right. You had three touchdowns last week. Value will never be higher.

He still hates his quarterback and doesn't want to be in Minnesota. Stefan Diggs. And I think about who really, who's a contender who really needs wide receiver help? It's the Green Bay Packers. Now, do the Vikings want to trade? Smells click baity. One of their top, one of their top offensive assets to a division rival probably not so this is more yeah maybe a little click baity but also a logical fit

because i think the packers need help even with devante adams healthy which he is not and he might not be healthy all year well we'll see turf tow it's not something you mess with so the packers might find themselves in a desperate situation where they really feel like they need to make a move because i will say that mvs you know jury is out there but he hasn't come exploding out of the gates in his number two slash number one role with the Packers. That's fair, dog. Geronimo Allison, same thing. And he actually exited their last game with an injury.

So he hasn't jumped it off the page. I know the lizard had a big catch. I didn't even know who that person was before Monday. I love the Aaron, John, Aaron Rogers stared to the sideline when Lazzard caught the touchdown, like, see, I told you this guy could play. I don't know. Lazzard looks like a player. Maybe the lizard can play.

But, you know, we, they need contributions now. so this offense does not stagnate. I mean, if we're not counting on Gardner Minchew, or should be counting on Lizard after one performance. That would be a happy surprise if he ends up being their top wide out or a big contributor. So Stefan Diggs wants out. Send him to the Packers and see,

sometimes you can get cute with the terms here. You send a second and a fourth to Minnesota and they send you Diggs in a fifth and everyone is happy. Why would the Vikings be happy with? Hey, Viking. Hey, Packers. come beat us this year in the division. Why would they be happy?

Because Diggs is unhappy, and sometimes, as we learn in the NFL, you lose your agency as an organization when a man doesn't feel good anymore. No, they have all the agency in the world. They control his rights. Do they, though? This team is as win now as any team out there.

The Vikings are in win now mode. I just don't see them giving up Stefan Digg. I think they're like, they're also like, the Jaguars thought they were in the Patriots. The Jets and the Patriots are never. The Raiders thought they were win now mode. They're never trained. into each other. You guys got to catch up to the times. It's not about whether teams want to keep guys

anymore. It's whether guys want to stay with it. If you want to sell theirs, you got to add a first round pick and then some. Why? Because Stefan Diggs is the best receiver on that team, better than Adam Thielen, and he's one of the best in the NFL getting open. That's a hot take. He's a top 20 NFL receiver. You're not going to trade him to your big division rival, almost under any circumstance, I would say. I would say even if they were one and four, they probably wouldn't, much less four and two. I just feel like if you're going to give them away for that low cost, not that far after the Amari Cooper deal,

you're going to get targeted by your fans and others detracting. They're going to come all over that deal. I just think that, ah, I just think that. I'm going to phrase that different. I was wondering if anyone was going to do it. Well, everyone did. I just think you guys are saying like, oh, at four and two, they wouldn't do it. Maybe it has nothing to do with that.

This is the modern landscape of the NFL. It's not. Tell me a division rival. that's just giving away great players to another division. If Stefan Diggs really wants to no longer be on the Vikings, he knows what he has to do to do it. It's different. Stefan Diggs just signed a five-year deal or a four-year deal.

I mean, he just signed to re-up with his team. J. Lambs. Antonio Brown just signed a deal with the Raiders. Antonio Brown's a crazy person. I stand by my trade. And now I'll snake to another deal. All right. The Eagles, they're not going anywhere if they don't fix that secondary.

Let's face it. It's been a problem all year. and they couldn't even compete, speaking of Stefan Diggs and Minnesota. They went to Minneapolis and couldn't even compete in that game. They just got roasted by Kirk Cousins in that game, you know, given up over 300 yards and four touchdowns. And it's a recurring issue for them. They need help in that back in. And you know the Eagles, a team that's in the mix, even if they've been disappointing, you know Trader Howie is going to be busy.

There's going to be at least one Eagles trade before the deadline, maybe more. So I'm going to just piece it together that they're going to go get a cornerback. And I'll throw out Janaris Jenkins of the Giants, a veteran who's up and down as a player. But perhaps with Jim Schwartz on that defense, they say, hey, maybe we could help this guy out, build his, improve his game a little bit, you know, and maybe he's revitalized getting out of New York where it's been a pretty rough sledding since he got there pretty much. he's got one more year left on his deal he's overpaid

for what he's given the Giants but it's not something that's going to bring down the organization if the Eagles can make it work financially so Janaris Jenkins how about a fourth round pick to the Giants

in exchange for Jenkins I admire you because you can leave it there it's aggressive there's a statement on its own I mean, it's aggressive to suggest two inside division trades back to back in the snake position in our draft. So I think you did a nice job there. Yeah, I thought about the same combination.

I had Janoris Jenkins going to the Seahawks because I don't think the Giants would help the Eagles potentially. They'd love to get him off their books, though. I think they would be happy to dump him at this point and he would not be on the team. And that's why I don't think it would cost that much. It's inside football tournament. I love it. I think you're right. He's not on the team next year.

They might as well save the five, six million. million dollars he still owed this year. The Seahawks seemed like they would maybe take a crack at old Jack Rabbit, put them on the other side of Shaq Griffin. Jack Rabbit Jenkins. The Eagles did get good news today. Jalen Mills and Ronald Darby, who are their two best cornerbacks in a world where they're healthy, although they haven't been in a long time, returned to practice.

So that could help them. Greg, and excuse me, we're snaking. Mark. Well, I will make quick. I'll make quick terminology on your Eagles path because I had a lot of teams, a lot of players going to the Eagles. And I like the position too. I think Chris Harris to the Eagles is out there because he gets mentioned over and over and whispered about in these trade rumors. And where is this coming from just thin air?

And he's, you know, he's Tain. Coming from the same guy who's selling cars out in Denver. That's what I think. Well, exactly. And I think that Chris Harris to the Eagles also. Eagles Broncos are not going to toy with each other at all this season. and it's an easier trade partner. And Chris Harris has not long for Denver, I don't think.

So Eagles, but I think he's a much better player than Janoris Jenkins. So I think, I mean, there's a reason. For the reason I'm sitting here and not in a front office because the terms are always shaky. But a third round pick for Chris Harris, that feels like the Broncos didn't get a whole lot. I like how your confidence falls off a table and it comes times for the terms.

Because the terms are ridiculous to me in most of these deals. and I think they're often surprising. They're also shifting. People are paying way more now than I remember at any time in the NFL. Compensatory pick is part of it. You're going to get one if Chris Harris leaves and the formula. You're expecting to get one for the formula. It's tricky.

Wes, you're up. Dan, would you take a second round pick for Leonard Williams? Yes. All right, it's a deal. Leonard Williams to the Packers for a second round pick. He and Dean Lowry, Bookend, Kenny Clark. They're not going to give. I'll tell you why I'll do.

And I like Leonard Williams, even if he never became like the Warren Sapp or whatever, people always say about interior alignment when they get drafted high in the first round. They're not going to give them a massive contract after the year. And somebody's going to be willing to look at his potential and give him huge money in free agency. So you're going to lose them.

And then what would you get? Probably like a third round pick. So if you're offering me a second round pick, let's go. Let's fly. To the Packers who send him out of the conference and, you know, that's it. Play better run defense last week. but run defense has been an issue. He could line up there as a 3-4 defensive end.

That's where he belongs anyway. And they have Quinn and Williams there, of course, who they drafted in the first round this year. I don't know why we're always trying to make the Packers better, but I like it. Yeah. And Mike Patton, he didn't cross over with Leonard Williams, right? You don't get that.

Would have liked to, I'm sure. I don't think so. Yeah, it makes sense to me. It does sound you keep on hearing it among the Jets beat writers that they are going to make a move. I do wonder, though, what would happen, Greg, if by some miracle they beat the Patriots on Monday night, if that would change everything about their philosophy.

You've heard Robbie Anderson thrown out there as a possibility. Leonard Williams is being bandied about constantly. Well, the trade deadline is two games away for all these teams. So that's a lot more information. If the Broncos, for instance, win two games, they're probably not going to be looking to be as aggressive as if they're two and six. It makes a big difference. And the Jets, I would throw into that camp.

Janoris was my second one, but I'll just throw out a player I think can help a team. How about Kenyon Drake to the Colts for a first? fifth rounder. I think Kenyon Drake could be a great extra weapon on an offense. I do too. The Colts could use some more weapons and I do not think it would cost much to get half a year

a Kenyon Drake. I've got a Kenyon Drake to the Jags for a fourth round pick because Leonard Fournette in the passing game turns around sort of like a cruise ship in the Panama Canal. Wouldn't have to move like if you know you're moving from one Florida residency to another, not that long of a drive.

Like Owen Daniels in week one of 2013 C's. Like Jason Whitten after his drop last week. Oh, poor Jason. Still having a better year in 2019 than 2018. Made some place. Having a better year than Jimmy Graham is. He's a comeback player.

Let's just say it. There are now reports around the Packers with the headline, Jimmy Graham, not ready to lose snaps just yet. That's the kind of season that we're talking about with Jimmy Graham. They're waiting until Tonian comes back. All right. I, Tonyin. Good sag.

Good sag. Thursday night football coming up. Week seven, it's a freight train. And I understand if you're a fan of the Lions or the Packers, you feel like you got job Monday night football, the way the timing fell with our podcast this week. I get it. Don't take it personal.

It's just a matter of timing. But when we hit the preview, the Thursday show preview, we will hit those teams hard. And we'll touch on what happened on Monday night. And yes, Lions fans, we know, we're here for you this season.

I think they have to have noticed an uptick in our intro. in them and attention towards. We were as furious as Kevin Patra about the officiating in that game. Well, not me. I got a lock out of it. But everyone else deserves to be angry

about those penalties. Somehow that got mentioned. I mean, I think our nice words that we've said about the Lions will more than make up for their back-to-back gut-wrenching losses. So now, speaking of the AFC West, because

we were speaking about that division earlier on today's podcast. The Kansas City Chiefs coming off back-to-back losses, both at home, by the way. Sleep on that a little bit. It's one thing to drop a couple games in a row during a long season, but when you do a one-two at home, now you've got to go on the road.

Well, let's see how they respond to that. They go to empower field at mile high, Wes, to face the Denver Broncos, who it's interesting because the Chiefs, they win four to start the season and lose two. The Broncos, they lose four to start the season and now win two. And this is a game, West, where we're going to learn a lot about where the chiefs are offensively because the Broncos' defense has figured it out. Chiefs already ruled out Sammy Watkins, Kendall Fuller, their nickelback.

Chris Jones, their best defensive player. And offensive left tackle, Eric Fisher, left guard, Andrew Wiley. They are extremely short-handed and were outplayed last week when they were short-handed. Now they go to Denver where the defense. just in the last two weeks has jumped from the late 20s to number eight in DVOA. They are now a top 10 defense. Shut out, I'll do that. Well, it's two, I think, two dominant showings in a row.

And then if you throw in the Jaguars game the week before, dominant for about two and a half quarters of that one as well. So you're playing a Denver defense that has transformed the last few weeks. Kareem Jackson playing at a very high level, Alexander Johnson, their inside linebacker I talked about on Sunday's podcast, has been one of the best inside linebackers in the league the last two weeks. Mike Purcell moves into the starting line.

They've got a lot of changes on that defense and they're playing well. You hear what that is? You guys from Wes? What's that? It's the excited. It's coming back a little bit. They've got them.

They've hooked them. They're going back up the roller coaster. I say that I can see that I was too high on them in the summer, but I think I have been on their pulse since the season started. I know what this Broncos team is, and a lot of people don't. Well, their season comes down to Thursday night. I mean, it's over if they lose this game, and they're two and five, as far as I'm concerned.

But you win, and this is kind of a fork in the road game for the AFC West, and they're one game out of the top spot in the division, and the Chiefs have all sorts of problems, and you already have a win over the Chiefs. The Raiders are weirdly in the mix, and it's a totally different division. This is a type of game, though, I think that great players, historic type of players they just, they go find a way

to win it. Your team is banged up. You're facing a less talented Broncos team on the road. It's a short week. You just need Patrick Mahomes to go in there, carry you, get an ugly win, get out of town, bury the Broncos, bury the ball, Tony Sobrano.

We love Andy Reed's pass happy tendencies. Like he's this new, you know, he's an old coach, but everyone's supposedly following his lead and just passing all the time. now, except that works great when everything's working. He's got to find a way to run the ball and help his defense get off the field because his defense is getting, they're playing 40 minutes the last couple of weeks.

I was hoping you were just going to keep going there. Like, honestly, I was hoping he would go for 15 straight minutes. That's next episode. And where I thought you were going is where I will complete it because, yes, great players, when their team needs them step up, especially when the lights are on a prime time. It brings out that extra gear. and after I broke my skid with that fairly, you know, very close to a miracle win,

miracle lock for the Packers there. I will now get behind Patrick Mahomes on the two-game losing streak. I didn't think about that. And I'm going to lock up the Chiefs on the road short-handed against the revitalized Broncos team because I just, I think Patrick Mahomes is too good to lose three games in a row. And we're going to see something special from him in this game.

I think he's too good too, but I don't know how if he's too good to do that banged up. physically not the same guy he's been. His yards per attempt have dropped in half since he had an angling tree. You can run on their defense. A little shot of Toradole and let's go. Well, we'll see. I mean, the Broncos, this is a team.

A couple weeks ago, I would have thought this would have been a nice 39 to 7 chief celebration. You just roll into Denver, you eat your free dinner at the hotel, you drop a 39 points on Denver and you fly home and it's not been all been fine. What a nice weekend. Chiefs are in a tough place. They ever lose this game. They have the Packers and Vikings next. They have not been the same team on offense at all.

Bronco's defense is in awesome. Their offense isn't my concern. They moved the ball. They only punched once last week. Last week. But the defense is as bad as it gets right now. I mean, they're among the worst in the entire NFL. This is kind of the ultimate test for Flacco here.

Because this is a game you should put up 27 to 30 points if you're a legit NFL offense. And you're going to need to help your defense out. And we'll see. Can't you, like each week. I like the Chiefs, too. I'm not locking. I get a vision of who's going to be sitting up there with Joe Thomas and Colleen at the end. And everyone's in a celebratory move.

I just have a feeling, Philip Lindsay. So do I. It might be that person. Oh, look at this. It just keeps coming mentally into the headspace. Frank Clark. No. Oh, okay.

Thursday night's the last kind of game I'd lock for a road team. Chiefs are a different type of road team the most. But that's crazy territory. Thursday nights, freaky stuff. Well, considering what Marlon Mac and Carlos Hyde just did to this defense and then Frank Clark says we've lost the passion for defending the run.

I trust Andy Reed and I trust Patrick Mahomes. Stop the skid. I mean, Lindsay doesn't even own his own house or rent. He's with his parents. Hey, it's not a bad idea. Just save up money. Sounds like a good thing. It's hard. He didn't get that Brock Osweiler money. He got Philip Lindsay money.

That's a red flag, man. Get out of that house. They're like 22 years old. Get a got a place where they're college buddies, you know, in Hoboken. And you just get, you know, loosen up. Meet the girls. Seems like a long commute. Got to the bars.

Hoboken? Enjoy yourself. Yeah, you know, you take the path into the city and, you know, enjoy yourself. Right, but the city lives in Denver. Correction, he's 25 years old. It's time to get out. Right. I came back.

25, come on, dude. When I left Los Angeles with no plan and went back east, I, I stopped back in old Wilberham, I think for about a week. It was one of the dark. Was it like a garden state scenario? It was like one of the darkest, most depressing weeks. of my life. I had to get out of there.

It's tough. It's like, what am I? Head not to the Rosenthal family. I mean, they were great. Deb listens to every show, right? I might have been like three days. I don't even remember, but it was... I'm sure your parents were rocks,

but otherwise you were thinking big picture type stuff, right? I was just thinking, where am I? Yeah, I got you. Yeah, I got you. All right. You know, one day you go home, you go to your parents' house and stay the night and you realize, wow, this is a house, but this isn't my home anymore. And maybe Philip Lindsay is going to come to that realization eventually

because I think he needs to if he wants to take that step as a... Are we sure that's where he's living right now as this is all this is... It's been decided on the show. Okay. He lives in the... Well, if he's not, then people announcing their football games have been getting it wrong. All right. Good stuff.

All right. So, oh, whoa, whoa, oh, Stephen, you're doing great behind the glass. but we're not ready to say goodbye, goodbye. My bad. Erica's still on vacation. She went to. Weird, you know, flexed by Erica, you know, say we put in a lot of work in the UK. Now I'm going to go disappear for a week or two in various locations across the world.

She made that decision and that's good for her. Stephen, you've done an awesome job filling in. I just want to let the audience know what's coming up tomorrow night. We'll have that Thursday night recap, of course. And then Friday or late. Yes, Friday, right? When do we put out of the, oh, no, Thursday. See, it'll be still jet lagged.

Yeah. Thursday afternoon, you'll get the week seven preview. Thursday night, you'll get the Thursday night football recap. And, of course, we'll be back right here in the studio here on Sunday night, recapping all the games that we preview tomorrow. Okay. Stephen, thank you. Gotcha.

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