NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Trash Takes with Patrick Claybon

Episode Date: June 20, 2017

A room filled with some heroes – Dan Hanzus, Chris Wesseling, Patrick Claybon & Gregg Rosenthal – recap all the latest news from around the NFL including Eric Decker signing with the Titans, Kelechi Osemele's offseason adventures, and Tom Brady's dream to play a game in China. The heroes wrap the show by unleashing Patrick Claybon, the Hot Take Ombudsman, on a few poor souls and their terrible tweets.Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. The Around the NFL podcast works out with Dan Campbell. Welcome back to another edition of the Around the NFL podcast. My name is Dan Hansis and I am joined by a room filled with some heroes. My goodness. To my left, Chris Wessling back in the house to my right, Greg Rosenthal and a very special guest sitting in the Mark Sessler Chair, you may know him from up to the minute on NFL network. I know him as one of the stars of a film IMDB had to label with three separate categories,

drama, comma, horror, comma, thriller, 2017's directorial debut, maybe, by Jason Eric Perlman, Threshold, Patrick Claibon. What's up, boys? Is that accurate? Hey, Dan. I'm not a director at all. That was by far the best, hey, Dan. Way better than any of Greg's attempts.

Hey, Dan. Yeah, I played a role in threshold. No, Jason Eric Perlman's the director. Yes. But the film maybe was his debut. I haven't looked into his IMDB profile. But you do have one. Yes.

And that's an ATN insider exclusive, baby. A T-A-T-A-T-Aid idiot inside of my Hand-D for the truth Go to the suits I'm up from taping this hit And I walk past Dan And he's got a picture He's got my profile picture of my IMDB page

Just sitting there With a bunch of words scribbled around it It's like freaking Woodward and Bernstein It's just pouring through the internet Try to find the information That's the entire IMDV page So this was your debut. How did this come about?

Connections. My wife is a lovely individual, and people are always willing to share information with her, and somebody was thinking of her, and that turned to thinking of me with regards to, I need somebody to pretend to be a news person. And it turns out I can do that. That's the one role that I can play.

Yeah, you play the character, newscaster. Do you have a line? I have several lines. Well, here's what's a little confusing to me, and you can check it out, Patrick Claibon on IMDB. Your image... I didn't sign up for this. First of all, you are a very good-looking man.

We all know that. But you're wearing what looks like a police swat gear. That's not the gear of a newsman. Is that from another project that we're not aware of yet? No, that's from my original role as a newsman before I was a sports man. I keep the picture around to prove that I do have police friends. so that yeah people can't say negative things about me but no it's um we were doing a ride along they gave us vests I took a phone call somebody took a picture of me I thought it was a

cool picture yeah it's a good shot you got a pencil in your ear like any journal and so I struggle I struggle with like vanity issues in that like I don't have any yeah like I don't have a real high opinion of myself so that that's the one picture that like you're like this You're all in on that. It looks like you're taking control of a hostage situation. Always. You've got it under control. Come out of this house now.

And where can people see threshold? Has it been released yet? There's been some screenings in L.A. You know, some preparation goes in. I probably could have plugged the film a little bit more. Help my two Jason out, but no. Anyway, there you go. Patrick Claibon and Threshold.

But we know him here at NFL media as a different title. And that's why, well, it's good to catch up with Patrick again. And last time you were here, it was a few weeks back, Patrick, and I was actually out of the office that day. So I wanted to get my Claibon on. And the reason why specifically is Patrick is here is because anyone, you know, anyone can rag on a hot take gone wrong. But the true master is the man that I christened the hot takes on budsman. He's a man that can do it in real time He'll do it in real time

And that's why Patrick Claibon's here today For the latest edition of You know what it is Trash Takes with Patrick Claibon Glad to bring you guys some takes Last time we did this It was draft season And people were

You know things really get hot During draft season There's always clear themes The NFL offseason is a little bit different but they're still there. Yeah. And, you know, last time we played this, I gave you guys three options.

You can either retweet this person. This is hypothetically. You're experiencing this in real time. Oh, I love this. I want to give you the experience that I share. You can retweet it. You can retweet it and mock it. Yep.

Or you can just straight up block the person as soon as you see this. Oh, I like that. You don't necessarily have any pre-information whether or not this person sucks. All you have is this tweet, so you're making this decision. There's no kill option. Yeah.

By the way, this will come later in the show because that's a great tease right there. A man who will disassemble your hot takes purely for sport. Oh, yeah. Patrick Claibor, the hot takes on Budsman. So we'll do that a little bit later. But we do have some news to get to. We are, of course, in the dark period now.

And it's not much in terms of hard news to get to. But that doesn't mean there's nothing to talk about. Well, it kind of means that. It kind of means there's not a lot to talk about. But we will be talking about stuff. So we'll talk about what's going on the news. Eric Decker at the top of that list. Then we're going to get some trash takes going, and away we go.

But before we do that, I want to say hello to the man behind the glass. Sean Sullivan, what's up, Sully? Hey, guys. I'm stoked about this garbage day. It's going to be fun. It's coming, baby. It's coming. Garbage day.

Garbage day. It is here. Is that workaholics? No. I wish. No, I believe it's Silent Night. It's an 80s horror film that has a cult audience for being so bad. Part two.

It wasn't even part one. Wow. Have a cult audience for being bad? Some are worse than others, and those are the ones that end up being on the internet and YouTube, including that famous scene. Or infamous scene. All right, let's do some news. Get your act together, bro. You trash.

Ah, little Debbie. She could have been working on that disc track right now, Greg. I'm happy to let that one lie. It's gone away. Out of my life. Put it in the past. Let's start with Eric Decker, who, of course, was released by the Jets last week,

and he, as you might, it should not be a surprise that he quickly found work because the guy can still play. He even coming off an injury, 30 years old. Decker and the Tennessee Titans agreed to terms on a one-year deal on Sunday, the team announced. A rap sheet reported the deals worth $3.85 million, according to a source informed of the contract.

And the move comes less than a week after the whiteout, as I said, was released by the Jets. And this happened quickly because he met with the Titans on Wednesday, a couple days later, deal done. Greg, you wrote a banger. I implore everyone to check it out about the rise of the Titans on NFL.com. your thoughts about where Decker fits in

in terms of being an important piece of this puzzle. He fits in perfectly because John Robinson, their general manager, looked at this roster, and he knew it wasn't ready. The wide receiver group and the secondary were not really ready to compete in the AFC, and he has attacked that aggressively. He did it in the draft with three pass catchers

in the first three rounds, including Corey Davis. And I think Decker still has a lot to give. We talked about it last week as a potential quality starting wide receiver. So to add a veteran to Rashard Matthews, and now you have Corey Davis, you have Taiwan Taylor, you have Delaney Walker, of course. You don't need Decker to put 1,200 yards up. He's just kind of one guy in the mix, and I love it. If you love Marcus Marriota like West does, to see him finally have some weapons around him is nice.

The greatest thing Marcus Mariotta ever did was get it out of his rookie season a lot. Can you name the Titans leading rusher and two leading wide receivers? from Marioo's rookie season, which was just two years ago? Oh, wow. Oh, man. I can't, I can't remember anything. Well, Walker would have been one of the leading receivers, but not wideouts. Not, not, not, Bishop Sanky.

The two leading wideouts in yards were Doriel, Green Beckham, and Harry Douglas. Mm. And the leading rusher was Antonio Andrews. Wow. Double A. Now they've got Daman, they've got DeMarco Murray, Derek Henry, you've got Corey Davis and Taywan Taylor as rookies, Decker and Delaney Walker, Richard Matthew. Who's solid.

That is, going from 2015 to 2017, that's about as dramatic of a makeover as you could possibly have in surrounding talent. And you get to see a team make a move in free agency where we're watching these older guys kind of wait and wait and wait for weeks. And you're thinking a lot of these teams can get somebody that can contribute. And it's nice to see a team other than the New England Patriots say, hey man, you come play football for us. We'll give you a little bit of money. we'll give you some incentives, and then maybe we can have some success without trying to fail for a whale

or tank for a shank or whatever. Scam for Sam. Hosen for Rosen. One of those things. Who's the third guy in the next? There's another guy. Josh Allen? Oh, yeah, Fallon for Allen.

These are all options that are out there right now. About Lamar Jackson. You need to come up with him, too. Inaction for Jackson? I don't know. Anyway. And you also hit on it in your piece, Greg, that John Robinson, the GM,

he came into a better situation that he had the quarterback in place in terms of really building this team out. And he had the picks. And he had the picks. They're the number one overall pick and he converted that into a lot of picks. So he's fortunate that he had the quarterback, which is the most important piece. But everything he's done after, he's done a great job with us.

He built the protection for him, got the running backs. And now he's building out the playmakers on the outside. I mean, I'm all in on these Titans this year. Oh, so you are in. I'm in this year. I thought you were going to argue against the time. Against my premise, which was essentially that there's no reason not to consider them the favorite in the AFC South. I'm not saying they're a favorite to win the Super Bowl, but they should be considered the favorite in that division.

It's a very flawed division, and they're a good team. And Andrew Luxe hurt. If they want to go beyond winning the AFC South, they need stars on defense. They need a Doree Jackson to be an immediate hit. They need a RACPO and Derek Morgan to each get double-digit sacks. Because they have PFF put out a tweet yesterday on Monday. Every single expected starter on the Titans roster got a positive grade from PFF last year. They have no real weak spot if you look at their starting lineup.

But the other thing I'd be excited about if you're a Titans fan, we've all seen those ridiculous touchdown to interception ratios for Mariotta in the Red Zone. he's one of the best red zone quarterbacks in the league. Now you've got Decker, who's a power forward in the end zone. Corey Davis, who was the most productive red zone ride receiver in college. Tewan Taylor was the third most productive red zone receiver in college. And Delaney Walker, this is going to be a really hard red zone offense to stop. And those top 10 wide receiver picks, they don't always pan out, especially not immediately.

But just imagine what happens if that guy's the real deal. Yeah. I mean, the roof is off. He's got Steve Smith, steal of approval. What did Jordan say? What was his line about? The ceiling is the roof. The ceiling is the roof.

I'm hearing the excitement, and as a creepy observer who has access to you guys, a potential, maybe, I know Mark's not here, but maybe an early leader, perhaps? In terms of the team of around the NFL? Maybe. I think that's fair. I like the Chargers a lot, too. Don't want to say anything yet. So I can't remember going in. I don't want to overstep, you know.

In June, I can't remember having two teams that I like this much going into the season where I would fully support both. I mean, they did a great job. The reason you believe in Robinson and then we'll move on is he helped fix that running. That was the focus last year. He fixed the running game in one season. I think Derek Henry is going to have a really good career and has a lot more to offer than he's really been talked about. That's an unbelievable one-two punch.

If you're looking for a weakness, he has four new starters in the secondary, most likely. Is Logan Ryan really going to be a huge difference maker? We'll see. Kevin Byard, who we like at safety, he was a part-time player. You picked up Jonathan Cyprian. You picked up Cyprian. It's like, will that all work with Dory Jackson? You don't know.

I mean, adding that many new starters, that could be a problem. Communication is big in the second year. It's better than they were last year, though, when they were just rotating guys, looking for prayers. Let's move on and talk about another team in the AFC that's garnered some buzz. Their wide receiver, I'm talking about the Miami Dolphins. Jarvis Landry, their wide receiver. receiver has put a deadline. We usually don't talk about this, but hey, it's June 20th.

Put a deadline on contract extension talks, the start of the 2017 season and Dolphins wide receiver, the agent for the wide receiver, told the Miami Herald that Landry won't hold out over a new contract, but also doesn't want to negotiate once the regular season begins West. I want to ask you this question. Jarvis Landry is 24. He has that record for the most catches in the first three years of your career, 288. It's a bogus record.

All right, over 3,000 yards, 13 touchdowns. I mean, it's a record. It is what it is. He's obviously been productive from a number standpoint. But is this guy actually a Star Wide Receiver, in your opinion, West, three years in? I mean, I guess it depends how you label Star. I find this situation really interesting because they paid Kenny Stills, what, 7, 8 million a year? 8 a year, yeah.

Devante Parker is the most hyped wide receiver this offseason in the NFL. And if you watch him on tape, if he can stay healthy, should be a number one receiver. So you're going to have Devante Parker. You paid for Kenny Stills. What do you pay for one of the best slot receivers in the NFL who doesn't really play anywhere but the slot? It's tricky. Slot receivers generally don't get paid big bucks. Which is stupid.

I think it's one of those things that'll get corrected over time. You know what I mean? Like Jarvis Landry or Julian Edelman or whatever slot receiver you want to take. You just watch the games to see how valuable there. So they're underpaid. Well, you pay for play for play. players who draw and beat double teams and slot receivers don't even draw double teams usually. I love Jarvis Landry.

I mean, there aren't many guys who can do those sort of things after the catch. I think it makes sense that you don't negotiate during the season because free agency is like, it's the greatest thing ever if you can reach it. So if you're Jarvis Landry, he's going to put up numbers. You'll get the franchise tag or you'll get a monster contract. Somebody will pay him. He is, I don't mean to be mean Jarvis Landry. He's really good.

He's one of the top three or four slot receivers in the NFL. Let's move on to something way more important than anything we've talked about so far. We're talking about Deuce Gruden, baby. Oh, yeah. And I love, I have to say this. I had no idea. You should say Quadzilla. I had no idea that, and it may have, I've had two sons.

I'm shutting down the show, the old gravy train, gross. There will not be another Hansa son coming from me. I said it and then I said that I don't like. the connotation. That's a thing. The gravy thing. Not, anyway. The gravy thing.

So he's, John Gruden the second is his name. That's his, is John David Gruden, the second. But he just calls him Deuce. Is that a thing? Is that where Deuce McAllen came from?

I didn't even know this. I think Goose Gruden's a cool name. It's a great way to, instead of calling somebody junior, or like, my uncle, my uncle John, who I'm very close with,

his father was John. So it was one, of his buddies would call and be like, hey, is little John there? Or is, hey, big John there? What about Chip? How about Deuce? And, you know, you got John and Deuce. Yeah, I think it's great.

The two together, it kind of highlights that Gruden is kind of a gross name just when you say it over and over again. And Deuce Gruden, it sounds like a euphemism. Duce. Sounds like a Rob Schneider movie. What was, I was going to, it's funny that you said Rob Schneider because I was thinking of that Ben Stiller, a dodgeball movie, that he feels like he feels like he. would have been either one of the announcers played by Jason Bateman

or one of the characters. Anyway, Duce Gruden finished in first place in the junior 183-pound weight class at the International Powerlifting Federation Classic on Monday in Belarus? Belarus. I think Pepper Brooks and Cotton McKnight called this on ESPN ATEO show too. Oh, Belarus.

Oh, the country. Oh, yeah, Belarus. Belarus. John Sr. was in the house and took photos that went all over social media on a slow Monday in the NFL calendar. So congratulations to Deuce, who is now a champion, a world champion powerlifter. Claibon, I want to ask you, you have a pretty hot bod. Balls. In addition to your strong jawline and all the other things you have going for you physically, you son of a lot. What is your biggest pet peeve at the gym in terms of the weightlifting area, the loose weights?

Biggest pet peeve that you have to deal with with people around you? People around. Probably unnecessary conversation. That's bad. Because I've got the headphones in. Yeah. And then it's, you know, you just see somebody's lips moving. Yep.

And then you have to take the headphones out. That's annoying. And then sometimes they didn't actually say anything. It just takes you out of the zone. But, yeah, other than just grunting. We're on team for show Yeah That's a bad one

Come on man Like we're not in Tokyo This isn't 2020 You know We're in Culver City Doing some sets Like be quiet I don't like the

The Bachbar doesn't listen to the show The gym I go to Is three floors And I don't have the time As a father of two To really like go nuts And do the weightlifting and everything Like daddy likes to go up to the elliptical

And do some business on the second floor And then the meatheads every once in a while we'll drop one of their 300 pound weights or whatever and we'll shake like there's an earthquake and everyone has to react on the second floor it's like hey put down the weights with some respect

about that I want to bring it back I feel like you lost your train were you trying to say that because of Deuce Gruden like you were thinking you were getting inspired

to pull the gravy train back into the station or something like to see this Son, Deuce, Hanson. No, the gravy train has been disassembled. Well, it hasn't been. I hope not. I have a friend. Breaking news drop.

We've talked about, I think on this show, didn't we talk about some of the negative aspects of a snips, nip scenario? There was somebody in the office that recently underwent the position. I've heard you and Mark speak of it. Yeah, it hasn't been disassembled, but it just made me think, if I were still in the place in my life where there would be another child coming if it was a son

and give him my name and then I just call him Deuce. Okay. Anyway, moving on. Calece Osemele, this is for, mostly this one is just for Greg Rosenthal. You wrote the article. Yeah, you can read about this on the end round,

but again, it's June 20th, so anything that I'm writing right now is just to pass a little bit of time. Kalece Osemele, of course, is a standout offensive. lineman for the Oakland Raiders, but he's also a, and I mean, a standout offensive lineman protecting an incredible quarterback. Great free agent pickup.

They gave him a lot of money, and they don't regret $1 at that. Yeah, so, Assembly, he's been traveling the world in his free time. Nice gig. If you follow his Twitter, he's been Whitewater rafting in New Zealand, he went bungee jumping. He did this jump rope thing at what was. labeled a full moon party where the jump rope was on fire and he almost burned himself to death. Is he coming after Dahani Jones' job? Maybe. Jack Del Rio has watched all this with the rest of us with great consternation.

But anyway, he calmed things down a little bit, Kalachi and made a recent trip to Iceland. Can we get some Iceland music? Take us there. Let's go there. Is that Bjork? No, we're not allowed to play Bjork. This is Fjork. This is Bjork. This is traditional folk music from the Mighty Iceland of Ossemly at a hot spring,

which just looks like a glorious existence. And Greg insisted that we talk about the hot springs of Iceland. So we're going to throw it to Greg. Well, I just thought this is our, when else are we going to get a chance to talk about the number 33 most downloads in around the NFL podcast history coming out of the country of Iceland? Thank you to the 46,680 downloads. loads. It's really probably just a handful of people that listen regularly. But we respect you. You know, and I've always, I've always had a fascination with Iceland. Wanted to go there. I mean, they've accomplished a lot for a pretty small country. Bjork, Siger Royce is from Iceland.

Nice year-old soccer tournament, too. Yeah, yeah, have had some big soccer wins. I've always wanted to go to two places. Since I was a young kid, I really wanted to go to two places. One was Japan, one was Iceland. I met my wife when I went to Japan. And so I've always kind of had that other thing in the back of my mind. What's going to happen when I finally go to the ice? Maybe my second wife. A lifelong friend at the very least. Sully will know this.

They had the Viking War chant for that soccer team, an underdog soccer team. That was cool. And that's definitely something to hit on YouTube if you've never seen it. So I'm all in on Iceland too. But let's move on. The one professional athlete I remember from Iceland was a guy who was 7 foot two center in the NBA during the 80s. named Peter Goodmanson, and everybody had a guy like him, whether it was Mike Schmack or Granville Waiters or Uvee Blab, Chuck Nevitt.

Everybody had a seven foot, everybody had a seven foot stiff on the end of the bench. You would never play. But you put him in to rough up the other team, right? Yeah. He's the bully. Small Iceland NFL fact, from 1990 to 2003, people couldn't watch NFL football in Iceland. We almost lost those 39,000 downloads. Woof, what happened?

podcast that's yeah Bjork wasn't wasn't a big fan he's all so quiet shh shh remember that one that was a banger moving on

let's move to China how about some Chinese folk music Sally doubling up on the folk music today on the podcast Tom Brady is the quarterback in the New England Patriots

Patriots are scheduled to play in China back in 2007, but that contest we got cancelled against the Seahawks. And now with his career coming closer to a close, Brady wants a chance to play that game, finally. This to ESPN.esbN.com. My dream is to play a game here in China someday. He said during a promotional tour in China,

we had an opportunity, I think, 10 years ago, and my team was going to play here. and unfortunately it didn't work out but one day I hope that there are many games here and over the course of a year because it's such a great sport and because I love it so much

to bring that here and to bring the discipline and incredible strategy involved this music sounds like the beginning of a movie that's begging for Oscar nominations You channeled Brady I imagine him sitting Indian-style

Floating on a cloud Telling this to a gaggle of Chinese reporters The last minute was the best advertisement To be one of those listeners That listens at one and a half speed Which are many, strangely. I've never read a Tom Brady quote that long Is he always speak in circles

And just in kind of an annoying cadence? I think when he's trying to promote himself To an international community He probably leans into that a little more heavily And finally Let's pick it up China, by the way 15th on the old Country rankings in terms of podcast listsers

I know there's some internet access issues There but someone's getting on Someone's downloading those podcasts They're right behind Japan who's 14th I mean a fraction of the size A lot of rivalry there let's pick it up Well I was going to say that Are they the number one

Communist podcast Communist country for our podcast Listenership. Who knew Greg was going to give China the stick instead of the carrot? Yeah, you never know. They would be number one. Okay, got North Korea beat out. That's good.

Who else is hanging in there with the communism right now? Where are we out on the communism? Where are we out on Cuba? This is the communism podcast. Well, we've relaxed a lot of our restrictions in place with Cuba. But are they still communist? That's something we've got to figure out. Sully?

This is June 20th, isn't it? Can you look up if Cuba's still communist? Wait, is this the summer? I believe they are. Anyway, finally, a Packers fan, this is kind of an interesting story. I got a feeling Wes is going to have a take on this, so I'm going to set Wes up on this one. I was trying to decide whether I had a take on it.

Yeah, a Packers fan by the name of Ryan Holton Murphy. Now, as is customary in our culture, we're just talking about China and Iceland, but in our culture and many other cultures, when a man and woman marry, the woman will take the man's last name in many instances. In fact, I'd say in most instances, but not all. But anyway, you never hear the other way around. You never hear the man taking the woman's last name.

But that's what happened with a Packers fan in Wisconsin who met a woman at a karaoke bar in Madison. Ryan Murphy, Ryan Hulton Murphy was a huge Packers fan. He met a woman named Marie, who's plugged in on her. He said, oh, she's fetching. I'm going to dig in here a little bit. They got to know each other. Turned out her name was Marie Packer.

And this guy, a diehard Green Bay fan, fell immediately in love. He told Good Morning America. Well, this is what he had to say, Good Morning, America. Marie is beautiful, strong, hilarious. And then she told me her last name. I didn't believe her and made her show two forms of ID and a credit card. so anyway it was legit they got married over the weekend on the top of willis tower formerly a sears tower a packer themed wedding he took his wife his wife's last name he is now ryan packer ryan marie packer congratulations kids uh you are the packers huh thoughts west well as we careing toward a post gender society uh this green This ranks very low on my list of things that need a take.

So I would appeal for a few takes on this one because, you know, you have these guys who, when their wives won't take their last name and the wife decides to keep her own, the guys, oh, man, my family. We really, we're so proud of this name. This girl really has, come on, calm down. No one's asking you to take her name. I just, I don't know, do what you want to do with name. Live and Let Live on the name front, I think.

Dare I say he packed it in and decided to settle. I didn't let live on the names, not the puns. Pretty good, pretty good, pretty good. And while we're here, I might as well. I mean, he was a little too excited that her name was Packer. Let's fight down. Could he not have just changed his name to Packer anyway? Does he do?

Is that really the thing that puts it over the top? It's like if you met someone who had the last name, Jet, would you really care? I knew if I didn't have a take, Greg Wood. Yeah, I wonder if in quieter moments, and now they're in. in the newlywed period, but every marriage, three of us are married here, Wes has a paramour.

You get into a fight and sometimes you think things that you don't actually mean but in the heat of the moment, I wonder if in quieter moments after maybe a fight he thinks to himself, why did her name have to be a B. At some point in the next 10 to 15 years,

he's going to think that a couple of times. Yeah. I mean, he asked for two forms of ID. She gave it to him. Let's calm down. It was literally, the setup for like identity theft and it actually ended up happening. All right.

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Patrick Claibon. This is the time. He is the hot take on budsman. You have your hot takes, and Patrick Claibon's always watching. So you better come correct. Or you might just get shown the door. He's like the Santa Claus of Hot Takes. Keeping a list.

Checking it twice. So, with that in mind, it is time. Now, as Patrick laid out at the beginning of the show, this is an interactive experience. Both for all of us in the studio right now, but everybody at home can do this as well. So what I want you to do is bring up on your mobile device or your PC or your laptop each of these tweets and make a decision. It is up to you to make the call whether this is a good take or a trash take or just not much of a take at all. Patrick, you have several set up for us. Where are we starting today?

We'll start with pretty much a layup. This is an extension of draft discussion. Maybe not too hot, but it's just got some themes that frequently come up. Who's it from? Oh, are we? Oh, I'm sorry. I thought we're actually, oh, this is an anonymous trash? Um, no, we can, we can make it, let's, let's not.

Oh, I don't, I don't want to step on any toes here. I'm all about, you know, talking about, you know, expose him. I believe, yeah, in the past we heard the take, we didn't know who was from necessarily. Let's hear, let's hear, let's hear it. Let's do it. All right, so we'll start with Andy Benoit or Benoit or however you want to do it. Okay. This, this isn't the juiciest bits of trash juice that have flowed from his particular dumpster, but this is just one.

Andy is from Sports Illustrated in the MMQB. No quarterback has entered NFL with more pressure than Deshawn Watson. College reputation Super Bowl Ready team, two first rounders spent on him. It's a June 12th tweet. No QB has entered NFL with more pressure than Johnson. Jordan Label, college reputation. Well, I'm not going to retweet that or block it or anything. It's actually one of the worst things you can have as a trash tweet,

which is just to be ignored. because it's obviously not true. I mean, you can come up with plenty of quarterbacks who had as much or more pressure. So anytime you get into these superlatives, the most pressure ever, like I blanch at that, but it's not exciting enough. It's just one to just ignore. How is that like more pressure than Eli May. Right.

There's a million. There's a million quarterbacks. How is it more pressure? What's the pressure conversation anyway? Like, how are we ranking who wants to win the most? Is that not weird to you guys? There's a lot of different ways you could measure pressure and you could pretty much come up with a quarterback every single year

that would be in a similar or worse situation. You know who's going to be under a lot of pressure? When my jets go 1 and 15 and they take whoever they take next year, that when you're playing in the crucible of New York, that type of market and everyone's expecting to immediately be the savior, That guy will have more I think going to Houston There are worse places to go

I feel like when the jets Trashed their whole season Just to pick you up For a chance to pick you up Right, that's a little more pressure I might mute them Might mute him for this But I'm digging deeper

I think the hot take on budsman here He is diving even deeper To the entire And this is why he's in charge The entire concept of pressure you're not really into as a conversation topic. Am I right? That like measuring who pressure or not

it doesn't make sense to you. Yeah, it's a dumb entry point to me. You're taking the Bunsen burner blowtorch to pressure, the idea of pressure. I mean, because we extend it and what are we talking about? Like let's say that we get to Blake Bortles. Like if he doesn't succeed,

then his career potentially might be. over but who can we who are we not saying that about like that same situation could be said for Tom freaking Brady it's a it's a weird it's on water it's a weird and tangible that we do catch ourselves trying to like rank versus

each other when it's really not something well with border self-inflicted pressure yeah but like there's one thing for your own career to be at stake it's another for the entire organization and the entire future of the organization to be at stake as well but I don't

But I get your point. As far as an entry point for a conversation, it's clumsy. I will, that's well put, Wes. I'm going to let it lie like that. But everyone else can make their own decisions. Next up, your next trash take, Patrick Claibon. We're going to go to the fan ranks to Jeremy B39, who replied to NFL Network Insider Ian Rappaport,

simply reporting that Jalen Ramsey had a successful surgery, which is one of those things. He said that those are generally six-week recovery injuries, to which Jeremy B. replied, while they're in there, they should repair his vagina muscle, too. Did he spell it properly? Yep. All right. Well, that one, I mean.

It'll listen to laughter. Jeremy B. over, under 16 years of age. I'm going to go under. 74-year-old male. And I'm going to go with a rare West preemptive block. Oh, yeah. Anyone that says anything that stupid is someone I do not want in my life ever. My favorite move is the preemptive block.

If you can take an obvious idiot and remove them from your life before they have a chance to enter your life, it's a move you have to make. Praise hands, absolutely. It's also, you know, I didn't ace anatomy, but I don't think it's a muscle. It's like a, it's an organ. It's a complete failure. All right, that's blockable. Jeremy B, you got banged in a big spot by the hot takes on Budsman. What else you got?

All right, we're going to Louis. I'll be tough to top, though. We're going to Lewis Marbury. He's at Lewis Marbury. Shout out to Lewis. Maybe. This is to Levyon Bell. He tweets at Leveon Bell.

If Levyon Bell don't report to minicab, he is the most selfish the Steelers ever had when they back him with his drug problem. That sound gives me, like is my son Walker's favorite sound in the world. He hears that sound, and he's running and screaming. So excited to hear the garbage truck, but you don't want to hear Claibon's truck coming here back. He's going to run you over. Well, right away, there's a little bit of a issue here

because we can't be sure because we are not in contact with Lewis. he says if Leveon Bell don't report the minicab, is that like a small taxi? Part of the taxi squad. Because if that's the case, I get, I don't really get the connection why the Steelers would be upset with him. I think it's mini-camp.

I think he said that Leveon would take a large, lavish cab, but he wants them to take a more responsible tiny cab. And did they, and did the Steelers, listen, we might be giving this tweet a little too much reverence, But did the Steelers really back him with his drug problem? They just sat through the suspensions and he's most talented running back. Any organization with the best running back in football would do,

they waited for the suspension, then plugged him right back into the starting lineup. Yeah. Right. And his Labian Bell, and this is kind of part of an entire genre of tweets or takes or anything about unsigned players skipping what's voluntary. If they were signed,

it would be voluntary work. He's not even signed. He's not even technically allowed to go there at this point because they're negotiating a possible long-term contract. And when people get all worked up about this, whether it's Jeremy B. or it's some local columnist, that puts my radar up that the guy's a clown.

What's this clown's name? That was... That's Lewis Marbury. I like that they... It's getting blocked. It does take a little bit... Yeah, that's a blockable, perhaps. I was going to say, I think that Lewis Marbury

should Google Ernie Fats' Holmes and helicopter. and then see if what Levyon Bell did was the most selfish thing of Steelers ever done. All right, tell us of the story. Ernie Fats Holmes, who played for the steel curtain, defensive lineman in the early 70s, literally went crazy one day.

I believe the cops were chasing him. He ran the cops off the road. A helicopter started following him. He shot his gun at the helicopter, hit the helicopter, ran off the road. That's attempted murder, brother. He did all this. he went crazy

could you imagine if that happened today that is one of those stories and if you read some old if you read old Steelers books that story will pop up it's one of the most unbelievable stories this was 1973 so right in the middle of

you know when they were when they were great and it's one of those stories that you think how much different would that be today by the way you only got five years probation well I think

I think old Dan Rooney and Art Rooney pulled some strings for him, too. Yeah, it sounds like it. They went to bat for him. For what it's worth, yeah, he stayed on the team, and he made the second team All-Pro the following season. So it was a feel-good story.

Plaxigo Burris dropped a gun out of his sweatpants, waistband, and shot himself in the leg and got two years. Roger Goodell was not commissioner when Ernie Fatshomes was there. This office shuts down for car chases anyway. Imagine if NFL player was involved. We'd actually have to work. What do we do? Makes you think of one of my favorite short, you

two videos worth a watch, Steven Seagall shoots down helicopter with handgun. Just watch that video. You know, I respect that,

Patrick. And enjoy it. I once bought Patrick Claibon a book about Stephen Seagal. Really? Yes. That was actually the biggest budding point in my

tremendous relationship with Dan. It was, he got me that gift and it really showed a type of man that he is. Detailed breakdown of each of Seagal's films

ranging from his golden period to the bronze era. Wait, he had a golden period? Bro. Do you even? I got to get you the book. I got a re-gift.

I'm not going to read it. Above the law, since you asked, above the law. And then he really gets into his wheelhouse. Out for Justice, 1990. Hard to kill 91. I mean, we talk about double trouble right there. And then his really maybe his biggest commercial moment, Under Siege, 92, co-starring Tommy Lee Jones and Gary Busey.

That ended the gold period. Under Siege 2 Dark Territory of course was kind of coming out of that where it was basically under siege on a train not as good and then of course his career really took the nosedive when he got complete creative control

after the box office success of Underseege and put out fire down below where he pushed many of his environmental initiatives into the screenplay and he also put on about 45 pounds or so that too His personal life is his nosedive a little bit since then. You can hear more when Dan discusses the Seagal movies on the throwback podcast when they run out of CD.

Yeah, we'll move on to Seagal. All right. I've never seen a Stevens-Sagal. Listen, I used to walk in and my dad would be watched. My dad loved Stevens to-Go movies, and I never caught him for a Steven-Sagal guy. And your old man was a good man, so maybe we can sit together. And with your dad looking down upon us, we could watch some Seagull. Maybe I'm just harshly judging it.

All right. Let's move on next take. This one is a retweet of me. Just happened to be browsing game pass. It was functioning, watching some Dak Prescott, posted a video of Dak making a nice throw. And this guy retweeted it more. Oh, this is a tweet from At the Field Factor. Mm-hmm.

He retweeted my video of Dak and said, more athletic Alex Smith. Ooh. So, yeah, that hit on a couple of themes. Full disclosure, I instantly screenshoted it and retweeted him. And the magnet. That was your answer. You've already answered. And the MAGA in his profile and blocked him.

But yeah, that's what I do. Is he even more athletic than Alex? No, he's definitely not. Okay. He's definitely. I like that the fieldfacker's actual name on Twitter is Beacon of Salvation. Hello, Larry. Not in this case.

No confidence problem. His description, the most interesting married man in the world, life expert. Wow, he's a life expert. It's a good field to get into, life expert. Well, let's just break down the tape that Claibon had used. It was a play action where he rolls right out of the pocket and then hits Cole Beasley on a decent crossing pattern for a first down.

A guy in his face thrown in a double coverage. I mean, that's a beautiful throw. It's a nice play, but is it the most athletic thing I've ever seen? Not really. Is that something? Alex Smith couldn't pull off with ease. I think he could do it. So what the germ of this guy's take is that

Dak Prescott is really a glorified game manager? Is that what he was doing? I think that's what it is. It hits in several themes that one, like Alex Smith, who's started in this league for a long time, is generally trash. And unathletic despite one of the, I think led the league in quarterback yards from rushing

or second two years ago. And it's been one of the most athletic quarterbacks the league for an entire decade, but to be beacon of salvation, his whiteness just washes away all of that. And somehow you can play quarterback in the National Football League with giant crazy freaks chasing you and be unathletic is. He got whitewash. It makes sense to the beacon of salvation.

And that spot. And other idiots on Twitter.com. All right. Listen, now he's getting warmed up. Let's hear another one, Claybone. Come coming. We can, Dan, you told me we could leave the realm of football here. because around the NFL podcast listeners are versatile.

You know why we can do that? You know what today is? Carpet's Day. Go ahead. Go to one that I had a particularly good time with, which came with a column from Sally Jenkins, why Steph Curry and the Golden State Warriors should go to the White House, even if they don't want to.

And what was Sally saying? Well, I can go and show you the, her, conclusion, I guess I'll just read you the way that that column ended, which a column that included references to the shooter at the congressional baseball practice. You got to tie those things in? Yeah, linking to, yeah, linking that to the attitude of the warriors deciding not to go if they hadn't even decided yet, or they hadn't been invited at the time this was written. This is how it ended.

They can gracefully oppose to meet with someone they may oppose with their whole soul. and stand in a room with him and grip his hand and then turn around and tell the world this is what Americans do even when we disagree. We shake. We don't shoot. That's terrible. So the solution to the problems,

if there are problems in our country, the solution is Draymond Green going there and shaking hands with 45. Oh man. I like you call them 45. Sally Jenkins has had a long and distinguished career and she has been a fantastic writer for a long time but that was an awful atrocious column.

Yeah, I think the move is you retweet with a comment shooting it down, which I believe Claibon might have done. I don't remember. There was a lot of, there was a lot of chatter that morning and I think that's the right way to attack it and it hits on this sort of weird genre of sports columnist At some point, like, sports columnists thought it was just part of their job to, like, tell the rest of the world, like, what they should do with their life when it has nothing to do with sports, especially where they're just, like, giving instructions about how sports players or teams or fans should live their life. And yet it's connected to politics.

Like, why is the sports columnist writing about that at all? I don't want to hear that. This is how hashtag stick to sports started. people get ticked off about the people that take it too far and preach at you. Oh, I stick to sports as an automatic block. But the issue with stick to sports is the stick to sports community probably agrees with Sally here and says that they should go. Stick to sports community.

I like it. It's like, well, yeah, you just get these guys to stick to sports and do what they should do, which is what I think that they should do. And that's the real way to stick to sports is to live your life as I would tell you to. Sportman That's why he's the hot takes Budsman Do you have anything else?

Claymon? Don't force it if you don't have anything else We're good We can end on that one The last one's kind of a trope alert Jake Rudok is light years ahead of Brad Kaye Quarterback race That's a good one Light year

Troop alert Troop alert Which I'm trying to do the math on it It was horribly wrong Oh yeah wait what was it What was it? You did do the math How do you know it's wrong Wait, who are the two, the Kaya and Jake Rudok?

It's really, it's one of the funny, it's probably the second funniest position battle going on right now behind Kyle Lister's folks. That one of those two would be light years ahead, in the backup quarterback job for the Detroit Lions. Yeah, it's a lion's story. So I tried to go back, the good folks at NASA, have a live location tracking on the Voyager probe.

And so I know this is the fastest man-made object we ever had, It's the farthest away, I think, and my math is probably really bad here, but I went to a hundred or a million-digit calculator. I didn't even know there was a million-digit. Yeah, there's one because Google fails and they make you use exponents. But I came up with 4,573 years if he was traveling at the same speed as Voyager 1. Eventually, Jake Ruddock would be one light year ahead of Brad Gaya. So you think that Kai has no chance to overtake him in his lifetime.

Well, according to your life time, in 4,000, in 4,000. In all of our lifetimes. Yeah, in thousands of, like, there's going to be like a different Mesozoic era and stuff by the time he catches up to Kat, to Rudic. So Kai, that's a problem. Kaya should just hang him up. This, this, the earthsky.org, a light year is a unit of distance in that time. A light year is how astronomers measure distance in space.

to find by how far a beam of light travels in one year a distance of six trillion miles. Does that mean he's six trillion miles ahead? Yeah, multiple. In theory. Plural. Years. At the very least, it's, he's going to need a good preseason. He's going to need to clean up in that week four of the preseason.

I think we should measure all position battles in light years from now on. How far away is Deshaun Watson from Tom Savage right now. You have to form a new society on a ship, like a generational ship. and then send that off and have generations die after, die after die after die while caring for this cryogenically frozen Jake Rodoc and then thaw him out 4,000 years from now. It's like one, it's like Josh McCown is one point of a tenth of a trillionth of a point ahead of Bryce Petty right now, Christian Hackamberg.

In light years. In light years. I like it. I think maybe that's a good take. Maybe that's a retweet. Maybe that is. I don't know. I'm going to say.

Well, the lions better hope that we don't end up finding out whether this is true or not. By the way, Matthew Stafford hasn't missed the game in about six or seven years. This would be problematic if we find out whether they're right about Ruddock or Kaya. Because that's a problematic backup quarterback situation. Who do you think it speaks more of, Rudok or Kaya? Is it how good, is it just how good Jake Ruddock is? How good he's Matt Stafford, then? Maybe he's the next time, Brady.

Patrick Claibon, you've said it all. You're a man that takes hot takes and deconstructs them in front of us, and we respect you for that. You also have a Stephen Segal book. I did buy it for you, but to you are an ownership of it. Thank you for joining us. You could check Patrick out on Twitter. Is it at Patrick Claibon?

That's it. Got that lockdown? Cool, because, you know, I would think that maybe there would be another Patrick Claibon. I am the only one. It says a lot about you, Patrick. That's where you can get all his hot takes, and he can see him on NFL Network. He is the respected news guy in the news room

while the rest of us, Jabronis, are in the back, fooling around. So check out, Patrick. Just the time to check the sink on these podcast bozos. Exactly. And that's about it. By the way, go to, again, I know we do this, we say this sometimes, but we actually mean it. If you have not left a comment or left a five,

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coming to your on-demand television screens perhaps maybe the big screen I'm not sure but just keep an eye on a threshold

directed of course by Jason Eric Perlman not his first movie not his first film and Patrick plays the newsman so there you go

I'm excited for what comes next Thanks, Dan. In your career. All right. Thank you to everybody for listening. It's time to go home. This is Dan Hansa signing off for the hot takes on Budzman, the mailman, the boss, and sweet Sully behind the glass. Tell Thursday.

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