NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Travis Hunter Out For Season, Describing Every Team in 5 Words or Less, LaFleur's Job Security

Episode Date: November 12, 2025

Gregg Rosenthal is joined by Jourdan Rodrigue and Colleen Wolfe to preview the Thursday Night Football matchup between the Jets and Patriots. First, the crew gets you caught up on the news including Jaguars CB/WR Travis Hunter undergoing season-ending knee surgery (01:30), Matt LaFleur's job security with the Packers (05:30), Joe Schoen remaining Giants GM (12:10) and more. Up next, every team in the NFL is described with five words or less, starting with the NFC West (17:20) followed by the NFC East (21:20), NFC North (26:10), NFC South (29:35), AFC North (35:20), AFC East (38:00), AFC West (41:45), and AFC South (45:10). Finally, the show is wrapped up with a preview of the Jets and Patriots facing off on Thursday Night Football (48:15). NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We're here in the Chris Wesleyan. podcast studio. This is NFL Daily. Colleen Wolf, Jordan Rodrigue. We've seen each other. It's Tuesday. Yeah. It's here. It's true. And for those of you who don't know who Caliana Grande is, it's my ponytail. Welcome. Such personality she has. Truly. And like all sorts of different personalities, too. Curly, beach waves straight, just like some tosseled curls. It's like Ken, her job is beach. Her job is curl. Her job is tuzzle. Your job is volume. We're all in the, you know, sports biz, but there could be extra outside marketing opportunities for you here with, you know, like, I don't know if it would be like a line of toys or something, line of fake hair, you know, Calliana Grun.

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If you could get it under five, bully it to you. And we're going to do it in an efficient, entertaining manner that makes our producers proud because they're afraid that this is going to go super long. It's not. It's going to be fun. And we'll talk a little TNF preview on the back end. But first, let's do a little bit of news. And unfortunately, we'll start with a bummer.

Travis Hunter is not going to be back this season. We found out on Tuesday afternoon that he is getting surgery on his knee. It was hoped that it was going to be a short-term injury, that he was going to be ready right when short-term injured reserve came up in a few weeks and then a change of pace here from Ian Rappaport. And yeah, they lose their dude, Travis Hunter, for the rest of the season. Such a bummer for a guy that we kind of thought was going to be a main character of this season. just hasn't worked out that way. I know. And I think we were all right and fair to be as excited as we

were about him. I think the Jaguars still, I don't bemoan them or criticize them for being as excited as they were to draft this guy. I know it, you know, incites groans in hindsight and all of that because this totally turned out completely different than I think the highest of expectations on Travis Hunter were and maybe some expectations even unfairly placed on him by the organization when they were so excited to bring him in and, you know, he's changing football and all of these things. But I think he still can.

I just think it's a really tough start to his season. Greg looks really grumpy right now. Well, yeah, this makes me grumpy. I was so excited for it. Well, I couldn't tell if it was what I was saying or you're watching something. That's a common thing that people feel. I'm already feeling great.

I'm going to look at Colleen. Resting Greg face is something Colleen's brought up many times on this show. I think it's a face at the people that would have any sort of impatience with Travis Center. I'm not worried at all. This was always going to take time to figure out what his actual life was going to be in the NFL, what is jobs, plural.

And I still think it will be jobs, plural in the NFL. I also don't think if we were going to read the tea leaves backwards, not as surprising, maybe just hidden really well, because for all the optimism in the start, they did still go out and trade for Jacobi Myers. So I, you know, I still feel like that maybe telegraphed a little bit of what the situation was, even though I do think they have a plan for him long term as well. And it's just such a bummer, too, because he had his best game before he was injured. So we finally started to see him kind of blossom and bloom and his confidence come out a little bit more.

And he was supposed to be the focal point, or at least that's what they were saying after the bye week. And now we don't get to see that. And also, Greg's resting face, yes, it is, it's something that plagues everyone who does the show with him. because you don't know if he is reacting to what you're saying, to what he's thinking, to something that he's seeing on his computer, something that Eric is saying to him. And a lot of times...

Such a pleasant face, though. It's so pleasant. It will sidetrack you sometimes, right? I'm like, I'm going to wrap this up. I don't... Was this wrong? Did I miss something? Should we stop down?

I get mocked for it at home sometimes. Today, I actually think... Can you imagine living with me? What a great... drop. I love that drop. And it's, it is a lot for my family to bear. But yeah, Emick was making fun of me this morning because I was making some face to something responding to what I imagine myself saying in this segment that's coming up later on the show because it was just, you know, wow. Why not? Um, wow. Travis Hunter's got to be fine. Give me all your Travis Hunter's stock.

Okay. I know. I'm so, so excited about him. It's a, it's a five-year rookie contract, right? And I think to make that sort of trade, and I still believe it what I thought when they made the trade. The idea is for him to be in the Jacksonville Jaguars in a Hall, Ring of Honor, whatever it is that they do. And it's a long-term process, but I think he showed immediately. He is absolutely an NFL cornerback. The movement skills are there for him to be an NFL receiver, but it definitely was obvious that that took longer to pick up. Let's talk a little bit about Matt LaFleur coming off. that rough Monday night game.

I thought it was really interesting. Right after the game, your colleague, Matt Schneidman of the athletic, asked him how he felt in terms of whether he was coaching for his job now in this season. I'll leave that for everybody else to decide. I'll just focus on the day-to-day and trying to do, I feel like you're always coaching for everything in this league.

You know, that's just my mindset. It's always been that. way. You know, you can't ever exhale. You've got to always be pushing. And that's just my mindset. So, and that will be my mindset until they tell me not to coach me anymore. Usually we don't, you know, just do a press conference as an item of news. But it does get to something we started to talk about on the show yesterday that the Green Bay residents, the Packers fans, they're not happy. And then in this article by Schneidman, kind of alludes to the fact that, hey, there is a new team president there, Ed Policy.

They did not give the contract extension to Matt Lefleur or Brian Gutikunz, the GM before the season. So next year, they would be entering a contract year, which in coaching GM circles usually means this year is really the contract year. It's fascinating. It feels a little bit overreactionary, but I get it. They're a team that has really high expectations. Well, incredibly high expectations.

And with Ed Policy coming over, I think we have to remember, like some of the moves that they made immediately, they've made it clear they're not going to be the same old Green Bay Packers. They're not going to be a team that is very, very good, but stays very, very good without transcending into great to Super Bowl for quite some time at this point. And so that's where when you see someone who, you know, at league circles they talk about at policy having sort of an aggressive mindset of what he wants to do. And that actually really fits Matt LaFleur. That in a way, because of some of the, the way that Goudicons has doubled down,

tripled down on certain talent and traits and really been able to identify certain players also could define him too. And it certainly defines the moves that they made, whether it was drafting Matthew Golden, but then also going out and trading for Michael Parsons, really pushing their chips in under this new team president. And obviously they have no ownership overhead.

So this person becomes extremely, extremely important within the organization. At the same time, there is really a, a lot of frustration with this offense. There also is extreme praise and a name starting to circulate about the defense, and that is Jeff Haffley, who is going to be a head coaching candidate in this cycle. And, you know, started out, you know, a little bit shaky, adding new personnel, losing personnel in terms of the defense, brought this defense along to improve over the last

couple of weeks, an extraordinary amount adjustments being made, getting the most out of certain players. And I think that that's also something that complicates this. Is all of the noise of praise on one side of the ball, well, you have an offensive head coach and his offense does not look good.

And I think that that just adds to this tightness and the amount of pressure that's coming out of Green Bay right now. And Ed Policy has also mentioned that he doesn't want a coach in a lame duck situation. So that would mean that this decision needs to be made sooner rather than later. And the slow starts on offense are just becoming a trend.

I know against the Eagles, that was a defensive battle. And we haven't seen a shutout in the first half in years and years. But before that, against the Panthers, they had only scored seven points in the first half. And it seems like that is sort of an issue now that is trending. And I think, I think too. And I know Matt LaFleur a little bit. I worked on a massive project with him a couple of years ago. And he, he's brilliant, right? He's absolutely brilliant. He is a coach who, if he were not going to be with that organization anymore, other teams are running, not walking, to go bring him into their building and try to lock him in long term.

And his resume is incredible with the Packers in terms of the double-digit-win seasons. Everything becomes different, though, when you have made a statement as an organization, which they did with the Micah Parsons trade, that they believe that they are a Super Bowl contending team. Your offense cannot look like this if you're a Super Bowl contending team, and here lies the double-edged sword of getting into that level of contention. If all of a sudden something does not look right, it becomes the finger that's sticking out of the fist when you're punching, right? That's the one that gets broken. So that's something

to keep an eye on here. But it's also, I think, people just overacting to the moment. Like, their 10th in offense this year, their eighth in defense. Defense has actually been like a little bit disappointing, like overall. Like we're coming off this last week where you're watching that game and that was an incredible performance. Like the week before, they could not get off the field against the Carolina freaking Panthers. Like, watching that game back, like, it was just as much the defense, if not more, against Carolina. And so I just think it's overreacting, considering he's one of the best coaches in terms of

just win percentage in the history of the NFL and Jordan Loved him make a lot of sense together. But I don't doubt any of the reporting. They haven't been as good this year. And if for whatever reason, it really went south the rest of the way, yeah, he would be really attractive. And if you look at him on paper, I don't, if you look at it, from afar and you're looking on paper, this conversation is asinine, right? But at the same time, like, the dynamics of the conversation are what we're trying to explain

here, not necessarily his record, his percentage, which are unarguable and undebatable, in my opinion. Right. But the dynamics of that, of that organization right now and the pressure, that's the thing that I don't think people are capturing enough. The enormous amount of pressure week over week over week that is condensing and condensing the atmosphere there. He's showing it. He's showing it the way he's acting and the way that he looks.

And look, Goudicunds, I wouldn't be shocking either if they both got sent away if Lafleur did because Aaron Banks, like, that was their huge move this offseason. You know, before Michael Parsons, Aaron Banks, who's kind of been a disaster for their offensive line, they're pushing their chips in. I just look at it as like, yeah, the context does matter that at one point in that game, it's like you don't have Tucker Craft, you don't have Romeo Dobbs, you don't have Jaden Reed, you don't have Elton Jenkins. Like, those are the guys you would make

at like atop the list of the most important players on their offense. All right, we talked about Joe Shane and Brian Dable on Monday. So everyone check out that breaking news episode we had. I did just want to close the circle because at the time that we taped, we weren't entirely sure that Joe Shane was going

to stay. Although Ian Rappaport, as he does, pretty much knew and said on the show that he fully expected Joe Shane to stay. And yes, the GM, just 30 minutes, like after we tape that. I hate when that happens. It was announced in a press release,

but I thought this was very funny, Colleen, and very telling. When they sent the tweets out announcing that Day Bowl is gone, they take a big section of the press release and they put it out on Twitter. And I noticed that they stopped the section of the press release that went out on Twitter right at the point where they announce how much they believe in Joe Shane

and that Joe Shane is going to help them pick the next coach and that Joe Shane has done a good job building a young nucleus because they're not stupid. They know that Giants fans are going to think this is a half measure and Joe Shane hasn't really done much of a good job. It was Joe Shane's pick to hire Brian Dable and more than anything. It was Joe Shane going into this offseason that was like, no, we need to keep Dable and Shane Bowen one more year. It was Dable's decision to keep Shane Bowen, but he really pushed to keep Dable one more. So they knew the fans would not be happy with that. So it's like you cut that part off, a little social media strategy.

Well, yeah, and that was very strategic on their part, so good job by them. But I just thought it was so interesting because for up until, like, even just a few weeks ago, it seemed like the two of them, Joe Shane and Brian Dayball, were like a package deal and that they were both in this together and that no matter what happened, it would either be both, like, all or nothing. And then one week, you all of a sudden heard, ooh, Brian Dayball. not sure about him, and it was just like then the following week he was gone. So it escalated quickly, the fracture.

Chaos is a ladder. So is like the workplace. And I think one of the, as you get older, you realize like, oh, one of the biggest skills to succeeding in life for a large swath of people are people that can attach themselves to positions of power. Yes. That's what I did to you, Greg. Yeah.

No, it does not explain everything. Where's a good coat tail around here? Hold on. Doesn't explain everything. Doesn't even necessarily explain most things. Like talent matters, there's a lot that goes into it, you know. But in the NFL, and I think in probably a lot of workplaces, there are a lot of people that are good to attaching themselves to power. And so Joe Shane is John Mara's guy, the owner, and he's going to stay.

Little size medium coat tail. He's going to stay. Yeah. Just small. Just small. If I'm not a small. But I do love his shirt today. Who's a small.

I know. That's a really good shirt, Greg. It's a good color. good texture. It's a poppin. I'm waiting for sweater weather, and it's just like not arriving. If I see it's over 70...

We're trying to make it happen. I'm like, if it's still over 70, I'm going to be dressing like it's the summer. That's the beauty of Los Angeles. Come join us. Paid for it by the Los Angeles City Council. Last item of news, last couple. Dan Quinn is taking over as defensive coordinator in Washington.

So like Dan Campbell. The week of Dan's. Yeah. In Detroit, who's not taking over as offensive. defensive coordinator exactly, but is taking over as the play caller. He's trying to do something. Also, Duran Payne, we didn't mention this on Sunday. That's my fault.

Was thrown out of Sunday's game for punching Amon Rae St. Brown with an empty fist. Maybe we did talk about that now that I think. Well, just like, I mean, hitting a helmet, hitting a helmet with a closed fist is just the dumbest thing you can possibly do because it's only going to hurt yourself and it's going to cost you a weak salary, which for Duran Payne, who makes a lot of money, is like close to a million dollars. I mean, that's a preposterous thing to lose

for hurting your own hand. But he has been suspended and that is upheld. So he is not going over to Madrid. Neither is Jane Daniels. Neither is Trey Amos, who has a fractured ankle. So the vibes are down horrendous in Washington. And the Steelers' vibes, they're confusing. We'll get to them in a second.

But I do like the fact that they signed Asante Samuel Jr. to their practice squad. I'm surprised. Asante Sammy Jr. couldn't get a better contract than that, but he's coming off of a spinal fusion surgery. I really thought he was a good player for the Chargers when he was at his best. So good luck to him. He kind of fits what they're going to do. Let's get to the second. I've noticed you're composing your face very carefully since the opening. I definitely am not composing my face any differently. I promise there's not, there's a lot going on in this head right now, but that's not one of them.

We're in your psyche, though. You always are in. We live there. And in the coat tail. I live here, you know. Where I'm at. In some world, I'm always in the Chris Wesleyan podcast. I mean, we keep going. We might as well take a break at this point.

What are we doing here? There we go. There he is. He wins. This is the love language that I love that I'm used to. Thank you. Throwing in Colleen voice. So this was a great idea by Eric.

Shout out to executive producer, Eric Roberts. If this segment doesn't work, it's not all on you, Eric. We bear some responsibility, but you're like the coach. You're like Matt Lafleur right now. And someone out there is Ed Policy watching this and hoping that it all works.

We've got to make it work. We're the players. We're going to describe each team in five words or less. I think it's that simple. And we're going to go through. We assign division by division. But I wanted to be equal. So at the end, we're just going team by team.

So that no one felt like they had an extra division or anything like that. And you actually went back and, like fixed it too. I did. I messed it up at first. I don't know what happened with the first one, but you know, in your assignment, it was, quality was right there in the forefront. Okay. So should I get us going? Yes. Do it. Let's do it. All right, let's start with the NFC West. Okay. We'll go there. Um, for the Arizona Cardinals. And this, yes, is describing each team in five words or less.

It's Marvison. That's it. All right, guys. Thanks for coming by today. We're done for the day. Fire. It's a wrap on Greg. Fire Matt Lafleur.

Sorry, Ed. I'm going so great. Eric, you know, the guy you chose to be in charge, ultimately couldn't handle it. And your segment's going to fail. The Arizona Cardinals. Marvin Harrison Senior in charge. That's my five.

I love that. That's great. I don't know if you noticed a couple of weeks ago how he just said, I can't watch this offense. This is not, this is not at all what I'm used to. And immediately they're like, okay,

we're going to change our franchise quarterback and change the entire director. I mentioned it on our pregame show, but like I got nothing from it. So I don't know how many people actually was listening to what his dad was saying. Yeah, it wasn't like,

it wasn't some random podcast. He was like, no, I was just going to tell ESPN.com. Okay, the Rams. Personnel so heavy, Jordan, likey. Oh, my God.

Okay, cool. I love this. I love it. Great job, Eric. We've a nice recovery here, Greg. Yeah, we have a whole social video about it that really explains that, you know, it just gets you going in the morning when you see that 13 personnel and those tight ends and fullbacks and. Oh, man.

Wide receivers blocking. Oh, man. The 49ers. out Oof Why us That's five words Five exactly

Five words Not the over So good job I think that was Pretty self-explanatory Yeah it is You wouldn't think that they were Six and Four based on that

But I do think That kind of explains their entire season And then the Seahawks Dom Sam DVOA darlings. This one's like a little tricky but it's not like the normal

Sam that we've seen before it's like Dom Sam. Yeah, I know what you're saying I'd love for you to not explain this one. No, I don't need to. I think everyone knows. Yep. Who doesn't like a Dom Sam?

You're up next. Oh God. All right. NFC. East. Cool. All right, gang. Here we go. So I'm going to start are we going in alphabetical order i yeah do it do it by the city name that that'll help out because all right look do it by whatever's in you i'll give i'll give you time i'll give you know everyone behind the scenes time we're putting up graphics it's on the NFL channel the words dom sam

and um me just saying ouchy or whatever uh is is making it on to the NFL channel and then you can also watch us on youtube and i've been noticing the subscribers they've been they've been picking up a little bit so so just like subscribe support the show and support what Colleen is delivered. Okay, here we go. The NFC East. Dallas Cowboys, first up here. Five words are filing a

missing Parsons report. Oh. Hey! I love a pun. Thank you. Thank you. I feel like that really doesn't need any type of information. No, I think it explains everything.

Yeah, they are very disappointing this year and the defense is a massive reason why. Okay, so next one is the New York Giants. I can do alphabetical order straight off of my head. Okay. You can't sit with us

and that is from Mean Girls and we all, it's a couple different reasons why you can sit with us because there are so many players that are injured that there's just not room. Also, Brian Dayball, you can't sit with us. Yeah.

So, you're out. So that's the Giants. So normally I would hear that and think like they're the cool kids you know what i mean like but no like literally you can't sit with yeah you have to go home you've been dismissed they don't seem they don't seem that cool right now like that's not a table but they were cool you would want to sit at i like i actually was liking the giants for a second and i hated the fact that i was liking the giants for a second because

jackson dart and camp scataboo were super fun and they were exciting and they were ridiculous and they were such bros and i hated that i was like into it So I'm going to have a problem going forward, I think, with this team. But for now, yeah, you can't sit with it. Did you see that the animation that Malik neighbors happened to post on his Instagram story overnight? I wouldn't have seen this either, but now it's getting passed around. We'll see if we can get permission to it. But it just was about the difference of like what Jackson Dart is like at home and then maybe when he's out with the boys.

Oh, fun. We'll see. We'll tease it for later. All right, I love that. Okay. I recommend everyone, go check that out. Perfect. The Eagles, Philadelphia Eagles, torn like Natalie and Bruglia.

The great Natalie and Bruglia had such a banger of a song. I'm torn because I love the defense right now, and I really like all of the moves that Howie Roseman made, and Jalen Phillips, adding him back into the fold with Vic Fangio. He played so well against the Packers. I'm really into the defense right now. The offense, though, is so inconsistent. I don't really know what to think. So I am literally torn on this team.

Yes, they have the record and they're getting the wins, but I'm trying to protect myself from myself. Don't they feel like, though, this is a team and organization that they almost need it like this. They need the chaos. their love language is like an ugly regular season where everyone's starting to doubt them and then suddenly like at the end

it just ends up being perfect. I hate when you're right. You're right. That's my love language too. Chaos. It's the only way I can thrive. You need deadlines. Yes.

Chaos. You need everything falling apart. And then you're just like, okay, we figure it out right now while everyone is at their wits end. And you're right. Maybe that is their secret sauce. Can I bring you back to last?

season around this time and like how they were thinking and then can i bring you back to the final three weeks of the season in 2017 when they won the super bowl and everyone just assumed not only is the season over but every like the most beautiful eagle season of all time is completely ruined and there was zero hope left and then they just you know won the super bowl it was like okay yeah how in the world is nick fles and this eagle's offense going to play against the minnesota viking's defense and then yeah they did it yeah but that's also not counting the year you year in between all of that. Okay.

The Eagles just collapsed and the chaos just like closed in on them. That happens. Okay. And the last one in the division, the Washington commanders, fix you by cold time. And I just, you know, it's a song about helping someone through a hard time when they're feeling very low and sort of crashed out. Yeah. And I was looking up the lyrics and it's kind of like right on the nose when you try your

best but you don't succeed when you get what you want but not what you need when you feel so tired but you can't sleep you're stuck in reverse man i mean i don't know if they're getting what they want unless that's like a trip to madrid which is cool well so in my mind what they got what they want when they finally signed terry mccloren to the deal but it was like maybe too late still so annoyed by that personally right and they got it last year too what they wanted and this but not what they at what cost right yeah it hurts all right jordan you're up with the nfc north okay so nfc north um we're going to start with chicago bears their good is getting better you guys a reference to ben jonson's thing that he's chance with all of his players in the locker room scrum after every win

good better best never let it rest until your good gets better and your better gets best the chicago bears Wait, that's up in his locker room? He chants it every time. That's right. Is this a Dr. Seuss situation? It's Shel Silverstein, I believe. And he's never let it rest until your good gets better and your better gets best. Chicago Bears, their good is getting better.

You guys, hope is here. Oh, I do like hope. It just goes to show you can say whatever like you want with these motivational slogans. As long as you can call a play, you'll get by with it. If it's catchy and you can scream it with veins popping out of your neck, it works. Peyton Manning has showed us that Motivate and Manning, you can really make anything, turn anything into a slogan. This ad sponsored by whatever commercials are. If they, uh, definitely not progressive.

Is it progressive? Maybe it is. Maybe it is. I like the backup. I probably is. That's one of those things that if they were two and seven, everyone would be mocking them for it. But since they're winning, then it's awesome. Detroit Lions. Dan Campbell versus offensive regression.

Which to me is the physical embodiment of Dan Campbell. as the Spider-Man who's like holding the two trains as the trains are crashing. And it's Dan Campbell. Like for real. Offensive aggression. His little glasses are on his face and all. He's straining to try to pull this offense back into what he knows it could be.

We'll see if it works. That was more than five words, though. Well, I'm explaining it. Oh, okay. Did you miss my, did you miss my, Greg, the word. I just met it there was no stopping. I just kept going. Well, I'm trying to keep the pace.

You know, we were told to keep this quick. Oh, we were told it's nationwide, by the way. Nationationwide. Got it. It's on your side. I got it. Okay. Green Bay Packers, too much talent for this.

Mm. Doesn't need explanation. Minnesota Vikings, one personality with multiple moods. Hmm. That does need explanation. I want some. One personality with multiple moods. So is that, I would interpret that as Kevin O'Connell, who seems like a complex man, maybe,

there's lots of sides to Kevin O'Connell? I would think so, but I think as a team, we know what this team is supposed to be. We know what they came into the year projecting themselves as, and all of a sudden you're getting this extreme whiplash depending on which version of himself the quarterback is every single week.

And so you do have a purported team identity, right? Yeah. But you never know actually what mood you're going to be in that day or what mood the quarterback is in or what version of the quarterback you get. So one personality with multiple moods. It's like bipolar and being, yeah, dealing with someone who's bipolar.

Kevin O'Connell, who always presents very, like, under control and good guy in public, you've started to see, like, the cracks a little bit. Like, he's starting to get, like, just a little bit annoyed Lefleur-like, the pressure there in Minnesota. All right, NFC. South. That was it for that division, right?

Yes. Okay. Okay. First up, we have, I'm doing the cities here, the Carolina, nope, the Atlanta Falcons, gotcha, everybody. I do like that it's doubling as a test for, can you alphabetize quickly. This is why I was stressed two minutes before we started. Yeah, exactly. I, yeah, okay.

Atlanta Falcons, starting with the A's here. Southern hospitality. Why? because of their inability to sustain drives, they are really showing their opponents Southern hospitality. You did it in two words. Yeah.

That's going to be tough to top. Oh, don't worry. There's some ones that are coming up that are just one word. There's only one way to do that. Are you not having a stopwatch out for the pauses, Greg? Are you...

She gave a good pause. I'll accept that pause. I'll accept that pause. Okay. Next up, we have the Carolina Panthers. Cats out of the bag Oh Because you know

They're coming off of the three game Winning streak and I feel like if cats out of the bag It's like they're not coming back in It's going to stay bad It's almost like a prediction I kind of hope that that's not true But I felt like the cat was in the bag They had it in the bag

When they were winning Maybe it's Schrodinger's cat You don't know if they're alive or dead Oh God Keep pounding All right yeah Um, okay. Then we have the New Orleans Saints.

Mm-hmm. All shucks. Oh, I love a pun. Yeah. He's shown some promise. And they got their first road win in week 10. So I'm happy for it. I want that to be almost more.

Yeah, it's like, that was like a nice little pat on the head for them. Oh, shucks. Yeah. All right. And then we have. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers, who, this one for me, it's a little piratey, like an armady type deal. Okay. Are you coming up with it right now?

No. Okay. Not at all. But they are about to go into the toughest part of their schedule. So I was thinking like along the terms of a pirate and a stormy sea and they have to weather the storm, but they still have a favorable situation. So it's almost like they're an annoyed pirate. it. Okay. But it is R-Metee, right? Isn't that?

That's the phrase is Ar-Metee. Yes. Okay. So I've just never spelled it out before so I wasn't sure. I'm curious how you did spell it. I would I would spell it. I would spell A-R but like six R-R's. Right. Ar-Mete. Yeah.

And how does that describe the team again? It describes them because you know, they had the recent loss. obviously but and all of the they've weathered the storm of all of the injuries that they've dealt with and now they're about to go into a tough part of their schedule but they've gotten through this so far okay that now arm 80 what to wait and see what happens next we might we might workshop that one during the break that one yeah a lot of mine need help guys no mine as well i'm

I'm enjoying this segment so much. Eric, we're halfway through. Yeah, is this going as fast as you're in charge? No, I think it's going at a good pace. Can you just give us like your halftime speech slash evaluation of how we're doing before we do it? I'm involved in this way too much. You guys are doing great. Okay.

Especially the alphabetizing live. That's my favorite part, actually. Thank you. A, Eric. I don't like this. At all. Everyone has their own... Oh, aren't we hooked on phonics?

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and it's and it's and i'll tell you i'll tell you why get all this and more on the new season the season of more on the off the edge with cam jordan podcast catch new episodes every wednesday on the iHeart radio app apple podcast or wherever we get your podcast We have some breaking news here on NFL Daily. Whoa, what is it? Colleen Wolf was making up the Buccaneers slogan as she went, which is totally fine. Listen, here is the situation. I'm a terrible liar, but I also am such a preparer.

And when I looked at my notes, I realized that was the only team that I just did not have one for. And I had all of the reasoning, but not the actual. phrase. So can I submit like shiver me timbers or something instead in place of that? I think you did well with it in the end, but it was on, yeah. I think everyone knew that I was lying. And I would just like to say, that is a characteristic of a good person. I'm a bad liar. And I have come around to admit this. And I apologize to the listeners for what a save. That's like someone who's in a job interview. Like, what's your biggest weakness? I work too hard. You know, I'm just, uh, perfectionist. I don't have a bad work like balance um that was incredible glad to get that off the same thing happened to me too our

our producer on the NFL channel side quab asked me what my Steelers one was on the way and i was like oh wait that's the one i forgot thank you so much it happens to the best of us and by saying that i was saying the best of us is me yeah that's another interview trick by the way he was a little subtle trick of phrase there all right let's do a NFC north uh it's my turn and I'm going to go with the Baltimore Ravens to start. And the phrase would be feeling alive closer to death. Wait. Well, because every Colleen show that we do together.

That is five words. It seems longer. I mean, don't you, you know, you hear that with people, whether it's something that happens in their life or something they go through, like getting a little closer to death. Every Tuesday. It's going to make you feel a lot. A lot of death talk.

And for John Harbaugh and this Ravens team, you know, falling to one and five. At this point, like they've done the regular season thing. They've, like, won MVPs. They've won a lot of games. It's like to just feel a little more alive. You had to fall to one and five. Yeah, you feel something. The brink and back.

You have seen the worst. You know what it's like. And now it's like, ah, almost like a near death experience. Yeah, yeah. That's where I was going. You could have just said a near death experience, but I guess you went your way. Well, I like my way better. You know what?

We should make this a collaborative effort, maybe. Go back to the Bucks real quick. The Cincinnati Bengals, the words are calamitous, wretched, ruinous, pathetic defense. Wow, pathetic seems personal. I don't know why. Ruinous is an amazing word. Ruinous. It has ruined.

It's ruined so many things. It's ruined Sundays for those fans. It's like ruined the excitement over Joe Burrow possibly returning. It's just, it's just horrible. I know. The Cleveland Browns, the curse of Deshawn Watson. Don't think much explanation really needs, but that really explains the last four years. And then the Steelers, which I did come up with, after Quab reminded me, which is same shit, different year.

Just like. So not only did you. come up with one, you also gave Quabex your work. Sure, that's true. But I said it to him and he said, yeah, that's perfect. And that's only four words. It's like, oh, Mike Tomlin, your team is getting outscored overall, but you have a winning record and you seem like just targeted for losing that first

weekend of the wildcard round once again. Westifice? Same stuff. They weirdly have, they're too interesting to be put into the West of a spot. They usually get, I feel like now that Saturday night. NBC spot where it's like good ratings, but they probably won't give you a good game. All right, Jordan, you're up, AFC East. AFC East.

Dream with me here, people. Okay, I'm going to start with the bills. And imagine this to the popular lit song, their own worst enemy. What's the popular lit song? Is that lit? Litt's the artist. Yeah, but what's the actual song? That's the song.

It's no surprise to me. I am my own worst enemy. See, there you go. Because every now and then I kick the living out of me. See, I tried to help. Sorry. I tried to help.

I don't know if we can even keep that. Now I got it. No, actually, we can't. We're going to have to play a song that sounds. Because it was so closely in tune to the original. But, yeah. Watch out. We're going to, Jordan and I are going to go off and start our own band.

Right to the top of the charts. We don't play any instruments, but it's fine. play like anyone that was on the warp tour you're going to be covering oh man i love the warp tour yeah i mean this is pretty self-explanatory they they truly are they have been um their own it's not even the chiefs anymore they are their own worst enemy um okay the patriots i'm fully aware i'm about to lose any cool points i may have ever garnered with either of you two including everybody in the in the booth as well what a setup i'm so excited about this let me put on my galadriel voice

whispers of a nameless fear okay you won't get it you're doing the face Lord of the Rings reference listeners listeners not only will get this I will get messages about it and I will get love from them I don't need it

from you guys I'm no I'm very intrigued and how does that apply to the patriots yes a shadow rises in the east hmm what the old the old evil has returned. I hate the old evil.

Yeah. But it's like the old evil with like some new paint, though. It's like that little sheen. No. Yeah, when Dave Portnoy is in the owner's box, I think we can call it evil, the old evil. Okay. I was like, I can't enjoy my touchdown from Drake May. You've got to immediately go to Portnoy.

It's like, it makes it tough. More movie references on the way, the Miami Dolphins. how you like them apples because when I saw the photo of Mike McDaniel in his car with his giant watch hanging out the window driving past the Bills Bar I immediately thought of that scene in Goodwill

Hunting when Will slaps the number on the glass and says how you like them apples? Oh that's good. I got a number how you like them apples. It's so good too. And then he like they asked them about it on Monday and he did the Mike McDaniel thing where he just gave a

total non like a non-answered that did confirm it, but did it in such a confusing way that you couldn't even totally laugh at, that you couldn't quite use it as like a sound bite on shows like this, where he said something like, AI is real, so that could have happened? And it was like, who are you? But I do love that he did that. More coaches and players just like stunting on their opposition. Even when they're losing bad, like enjoy the wins when you're losing it.

Jets, super earnestly want to say this, just learn how to win. They're loaded already on draft picks. I don't want them to worry about draft order at this point. I just want them as an organization to understand what it actually means and takes to win football games and get into that habit before they go about this full-on rebuild. And we'll be talking about them shortly. A little TNF last time in prime time for the Jets this year. And is that the end of the AFC East?

It is. Losing track. All right. Now we're going to go team by team here. Okay. We've divided up Broncos. You have Colleen. Okay.

That John Denver is full of... And that's five words because I didn't say the last one. But it's because, well, first of all, I don't know if anyone thought that the Broncos would go on the run that they're on, just looking at their record. However, it's kind of like, when I look at the wins and you watch the games and you see the way that the offense is so inconsistent, are they full of shit?

We don't know. We're really... A win's a win, though. We're really using that button. I know. Yeah, it's true. But, yeah, so I just feel like they obviously rely on their defense so much, and we don't know if the offense can sustain playing at this level, but they are eight and two now, so...

Big week. Chiefs Broncos, we'll talk about it. On Wednesday, you have the Chiefs. Mahomes' last wildcard 2021. Oh. And I know it's confusing because it's only five words, right? So I'm only working five words.

He's only not had a first round by twice. So he played in the wild card round in 2021. Yeah, so we're technically thinking about the chief's possibly being a wild card, the wild card team because of the way the AFC is set up right now, it would be really weird for him to not have a first round by. It feels like forever because it has been forever. I am bringing this up.

I would not be able to have remembered this off the top of my head. But yes, they played the Steelers in the wild card round. And then they beat the bills. And they got to have it at home because I think there were multiple upsets in the divisional round. So they still got to have, maybe it wasn't even multiple upsets. But they basically just didn't get the buy. And they beat the bills. And then, yeah, they lose to the bank.

That feels like so many lifetimes. And you know what? It will be a tougher road. All the mental gymnastics that I put myself into, so that I didn't have to Google Taylor Swift lyrics guys to try to make a Taylor Swift pun. I felt like that was going to be the obvious thing. Instead, I went overly complicated.

Oh, what's the Taylor Swift pun? That's on me. I don't have any. I just like, she's really great with her puns and these things, and I feel like that would have, I wanted to challenge myself, and then I just set us all through mental gymnastics here. Sorry, Greg.

The Raiders are buying. I thought it was great. I think it's a good point. It's salient about the different path that chiefs are on right now. The Raiders, a familiar path, forlorn melancholy hopeless pete that's it just like what do we need with like a sad pete carroll oh nobody wants it nobody likes it nobody needs it like if i could have fit like i don't belong here

anymore uh that was what i was thinking of he doesn't even go here just it's just sad uh chargers colin okay chargers thunderstruck that's one word wow oh uh and i feel thunderstruck by the Chargers this year and I knew that they would be good and I knew that they would figure things out but I just like every time Jim Harbaal has a microphone near him it's it's fun and shocking and amazing and I'm just I like the vibes of this team and they've had every reason to not be seven and three right now right you know what all these injures that they're dealt with and still look at them I love it Texans Jordan Davis Mills to the rescue?

Oh my God, what? I hope not. We got any C.J. Stroud news? That was great last week. It was great. I tried to really stretch that one out. That was good. The tones.

It was like Dan Campbell with his tones talking about the play calling. I'm not calling the play. I mean, I'll do it. I'll stick my neck out. I think they're going to make the playoffs. Look at you. Let's do.

the Jaguars. I came up with two with the Jaguars and then never decided which I won't. We'll tell you which one's better. Oh, I can do both

because I was like I'll decide in the moment. We will judge them. Actually, you know the second one's just boring. The Jags, messy fun, no longer fun. Aw.

I mean, right? They've just kind of been a bummer to watch. We named them our messy fun team of the year and then they went out the next week and just had this

totally bizarre win over the Chiefs. That was so far the peak of the Jaguar season. But you know what? They've got time. They're literally still in the playoffs as of today over the Kansas City team. It sounds like a college relationship. Yeah.

Messy fun and not fun anymore. Yeah, like when you see his bathroom for the first time. Oh, my God. What has happened in here? What? How old is this? How long has that been sitting there? Speaking of young men, disappointing you.

My other one was Trevor leaves us. What's the heart of bleach? All right, I'm done. My other one was Trevor leaves us wanting more. That's more sad. All right, Colts. Colts. The limit does not exist.

Two mean girls' references in one show. I know. I know. I love it. The limit does not exist for this Colts team because they're going all of the way. Been some warning signs the last few weeks, but I do like that they went into the... It's always big. Get into the buy with the win.

That was big. And finally, Jordan, wrapping up with... the Titans. Are you guys ready for this? I've never been more ready. The Titans are still playing. Oh. That's right. Five words exactly. At least they're in Nashville. They have like a, they have like a cool number one overall pick playing quarterback. And yes, they might be the most forgettable team right now in the NFL, but they might have the number one pick. Again, two straight years. Good for them. Not a great side. sign. Jets, also in the mix, for the number one overall pick. And I'm going to say it,

I think that was a success. Describe your teams in five words or less. I thought it was fun. I want my chiefs one back. Okay. Yeah, there's always changes you would make. Oh, I'll take the bucks one back. After the fact, I hope. Eric, are you happy with it? We're getting the thumbs up. It was good. Good job, guys. They were felt like a little hesitation. Yeah, it felt like, it was good. It felt like we can be better. Let's see if we can line the ship here, guys. That was Dan Campbell denied.

He's calling plays. It was good. It was good. The New York Jets are playing the New England Patriots this week. And before the season, if you had told me that it would be a 12.5 point spread. How crazy. I wouldn't have believed it. But the Patriots have won seven straight games.

They're coming off. I think their best win of the season against the bucks. The Jets will not have Garrett Wilson in this game. They will not have starting cornerback Azare Thomas. in this game who has a concussion. And I was thinking actually this could be a tricky spot for the Patriots because the Jets have played better over the last month. They've been a competitive team.

They've also won the last couple of games. And defensively, especially they have turned it around and have been mostly respectable. But losing Garrett Wilson especially is a big bummer for this team. Yeah, because they're going to have to lean on the run. And Brise Hall is going to have to have. have to go up against this really good Patriots run defense. So I'm not sure how they're going to score points because obviously the Patriots are going

to know that they're going to run the ball so they're going to stack the box. So what do you even do? How do you get creative in those situations? And Drake May has been playing so well now going up against a secondary without Sauce Gardner. Will McDonald is also, I knew I was forgetting someone else that is absolutely crucial to what they do. And I think Will McDonald and Jermaine Johnson, it's only been a couple of games together.

Like, that's a really good edge duo. I think they should be happy that they didn't trade those guys away. And Will McDonald's been playing well, but they don't have a chance, like, to often play with the lead and then let those pass rushers go. And this is a game where, yeah, they might not be playing with the lead. Yeah, and the Patriots might be, and the Patriots might be running the ball a lot,

which means I would like to see more trivia on Henderson. We saw really his, like, explosive playability on full display last week. And I think there's high potential for that to happen again. I am so impressed, way more impressed than I thought I would be with this Patriots defense. I know it was a place they invested heavily into. And Mike Vrable said about sort of pruning all of the former Belichick draft picks and removing them from the roster and then playing his guys and some of the guys

that they went out and spent money on in free agency. from the front to the coverage, they are so solid. Even if the Jets had multiple threats in the passing game, it would be so hard. Christian Gonzalez is playing well. This front is defending the run extremely well, but they also are looking dynamic against the past, too. It's just they are an entire handful,

and it is why I'm saying they're back. I mean, they're back, unfortunately, for the rest of the East, a new dark is rising but it was the same dark the whole time the same evil Craig it's such a our matey

it's such a strange season and that game was typical of it like the running game was terrible for every run except for two essentially and even like their passing game was pretty inconsistent in that game

but you have Drake May who as a second year player just seems beyond his years and he is the one who changes the play at the line of scrimmage to set up Kyle Williams for that insane touchdown. And that was just like, it wasn't even bad defense. It was just a perfect call against man coverage and a really incredible throw

and some explosive ability from Drake May and Kyle Williams. And same thing with that fourth down play. But like their players are just good. But then you peek behind like the curtain a little bit and some of the numbers don't totally support what the eye test tells you. Like they're somehow still 29th in DVOA. on defense because, you know, they're giving up drives and they do tend to give up some big plays.

But I think to your point, Jordan, that they are improving, that they're a lot better. That's including the entire season of stats. And the last month or so, they've been much better. I think the offensive line's getting better, too. That would have been the area where I'd be concerned because Jermaine Johnson and Will McDonald have nine quick pressures last week in that Jets game. Like, they were awesome. They were the best edge duo in the league last week.

but without Will McDonald like that then they can send help to the other side and there's like less of a route for them to win and yet there's something about like the Jets I'm always worried even though that they've handled the Jets over the years I'm always worried about the Jets

that's their rival Look at what we just saw with the bills and dolphins It's almost like a team of pesky optimistic upstarts could upset Dynastic Evil you know I want to make a movie about that Yeah it's a good idea

They might start Justin Fields in this game but they might start Tyra Taylor they would not take any questions and by they I mean Aaron Glenn on the edge of my side. I know, but he was like he was just like stop with the quarterback questions I don't want any quarterback

it's got to be a question. Kind of a big deal. Especially when like you had zero dropback game like Fields is I think the best way to beat the Patriots though is actually have Justin Fields play quarterback and just run hit. Like they have not unlocked him as a runner

has been like a little surprising to me. I guess that's all we got on Jet's Patriots. It'll be fun. Either way. Sad state of affairs. But I do like to see the Patriots in primetime with this version of the Patriots feels new. It does.

It's like a totally different team. I wonder how much waxing crescent talk we get from Al, you know? It's depending on how the game action is going. Yeah. That's always my favorite moment. They were the first team, by the way, one of only three teams in 20. years last week to have four 50 yard plus plays. So that was just like a really weird.

Wow, really? Like explosive. Yeah, it's hard to get a 50 yard game in the NFL, much less four. Wasn't it the first Patriots team in since 2000, early 2000s have two rookies have recorded explosive play at 50 plus yards in the same game? Insane. And you have Will Campbell who's getting better at left tackle. Like they are led by their young guys.

But it's just a, he's getting better. It's been good. It's been solid. His favorite. I mean, I wanted Armand Membu, and I would still want Armand Membue, who's on the other side. The Jets' offensive line is playing really well. There actually are pieces here, I think, for the Jets fans to get excited about. He's going to fight and die from the quarterback.

Because I'm a homer, I think actually I would take the Jets to cover that 12 and a half, if nothing else. That's it for today's show. We described the entire NFL in five words. And we did it so well. I'd say we crushed that assignment. I think we absolutely did. We will be back. be me, Jordan, and

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