NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Tush Push Tabled, Micah’s Extension and Other NFC Coaches Breakfast Nuggets

Episode Date: April 1, 2025

Gregg Rosenthal is joined by Colleen Wolfe and Patrick Claybon to react to all of the news coming out of the NFL's owners meetings. First, Jourdan Rodrigue of The Athletic joins the show live from the meetings to give us a vibes check (00:10). The crew then talks about the debate around the tush push (10:00), the change to the league's overtime rules (19:15), and other changes for next season. After the break, the return of the NFC East Escape Room with the New York Giants(25:32), a discussion about Dallas Goedert's future in Philadelphia (30:10), the Steelers and Aaron Rodgers (34:30), Micah Parsons firing back at Jerry Jones on Twitter (43:20) and more!  Note: time codes approximate. NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I don't know. Patrick took your seat. We didn't talk about seating assignments. We didn't. This is our first time talking about it. We don't have time to talk about it because we have a correspondent from the NFL annual league meetings. You hear her laughing. And if you check us out on YouTube, you will see her with a beautiful. breakers resort water behind her. The colors are popping. Thank you, Jordan, for joining us. Just a little vibe check to start the show. How's it going down there? Clearly, everything is so terrible.

What? No, it's fantastic. It's been good vibes. You know, some animated discussion about the tush push. And not much else. That's really been the main topic of discussion. Tabled it for now. I know you guys will get to it.

and what I assume will be a fantastic show. But yeah, it's been really, really interesting here. You know, lots of side sessions, reporters, coaches, executives. You know, it's all happening here in Palm Beach, Florida. Jordan, are there any particular sides of this heated discussion on the brotherly show? Who's pushing for it? Colleen. Okay, so what I like, and I'm assigning my own, like, storytelling to this, obviously,

But what I really like the dynamic that's emerged here is the two sort of dominating coaching trees. So the Siriani coaching tree with Shane Steichen, et cetera, et cetera. And the Shanahan McVeigh coaching tree with them backing their boy, Matt LaFleur on this because the Packers sort of like took the lead and the charge. I feel like someone drew the short straw and taking the lead on this. But taking the lead in these discussions and like you'll notice in a lot of these quotes that you're seeing from these sessions that it's all the Siriani people like advocating for the Tush Push to remain in existence with some great argument backing up that.

And I think you guys know where I stand on this. And then on the other side of things, it's LaFleur and McVeigh who's on the competition committee and Rahim Morris and they're all talking about how they are against it. So it's a little tree battle here in the land of palm trees. It's kind of giving, rival fraternities almost. Like that's, that's kind of how I'm picturing the league meetings.

Are they not hanging out as much now? And a lot of pastel, Colleen. Oh, well, their resort wear, they break it out this time of year. It's Tuesday and we will get to, yes, the tush push ban being tabled for now. And there are some details we'll get into. But while we have you, Jordan, I know the league meeting party is on my. Monday night. Oh, wow. Oh, shoot. I have an insider that told me Serena Williams was there randomly. I mean, how is that? Yes. You know, I'm, I'm sure a lot of dorky sports writers just told her, like, came up to her. I think we saw it on Twitter, though, right? Didn't we see pictures of service? Well, I saw her at like a, a summit. You know, she had, they had Caitlin Clark there. They were talking about the future of women sports. But she hung around for the party, which is great. What was going on at the party? Give us a little vibes. And does that also mean maybe the coaching trees like they're not talking to each other even. Be careful what you said. about the party.

Yeah, nice try, Greg, first of all. Yeah, nice try. No, it was cool. So I don't fan girl much because, you know, we work in the NFL. We see a lot of people we really admire all the time. Yeah, you're built different. It's okay. You can say it.

Built different. But I, that's why I advocate for the tish push, by the way. So, but I also, when I saw Serena Williams at the league party, she not only looks like she could still win any tournament she wanted but also she floats like she's this ethereal graceful like I squealed I giggled I was I was instantly transported to my most you know basic reactions and instincts I like checked my hair just in case she saw me you know like she is incredible it was really cool what her and Caitlin Clark were here to do to really talk about investing in flag football and women's sports and the future of different ways to

invest and partner and expand those efforts across the league. And it was cool. I talked to a lot of executives and coaches, partners and their kids who were so thrilled that that was the case. Now, on the other side of things, and not to, you know, make this seem like it's any less cool, but one of my favorite things also that I saw over the course of this week. And it does sound like a madlib, I understand, but it was indeed Guy Fierry walking around with an unlit cigar with Jay Glazer, they're holding court

at all of these things. And guys, like, turns out, and I've never met this man, turns out he's just lovely. He's just a very kind person. That's what I've heard. He's dynamic, you know. Don't ask him about Flavortown. Source says, you know, he gets a little sensitive about that. He's the mayor. He's on the present for a reason.

I saw him in the passenger seat of his Chevy Camaro just rolling down the street at the Atlanta Super Bowl. Is it red? With the, yeah, with the like music just absolutely cranked. He wasn't even driving. He's just waving from the passenger seat like the mayor because everyone just wants to say hi. Like a parade. It's a guy. Theory.

He really is the best. I was having an argument with Emeka this week and we are way off track here. Is he the most successful reality? show winner ever because that actually is how he was wanted was next food star so it's kelly clarkson it's carry underwood it's guy feary i don't know who are the other options i think you could make the argument it's guy yeah unless you want to take the star search route and include like usher and ritty spears okay that's a previous generation but that's fair uh yeah the mayor of flavor town sorry jordan meanwhile she's holding up her phone how tired is your your

arm right now. Did you guys need me anymore or is that is that it? I mean, Jordan, just to your point about Serena, I did the same exact thing with Serena at the Super Bowl. She walked past me and I felt like a teenager. I immediately grabbed my phone and I'm never on top of these things. I'm always missing the moment. Like I don't get my camera out in time, whatever. I had it out so fast and the video is so cool. She's so cool. She really does float. You're 1,000% correct. She has this aura around her. She's just cool.

Like, everything about her is cool. And I will never, in this lifetime, reach anywhere near the coolness that she is. Yeah. And I have to tell you, so, like, sports writers are famously, like, anything free food. Like, that's where everyone's attention is free food, free drinks. Like, this leak party had to move indoors because there was a bunch of lightning and a hurricane warning or something i might be off on that factually but something was happening that caused an alarm and so everyone moved inside free drinks as i mentioned um and um the parmesan wheel was getting everyone's

attention and that was on once that was on one side of the room however when serena walked in it was like this like it was like the prom queen like you know in the in the 90s movies and everyone just whipped their heads around and like oh my god she's so freaking cool of Of all the cheeses. I know. The Parmesan wheel. I've never been to these meetings. This is awful.

Next time. Jordan, we appreciate the important groundbreaking reporting you have done and the beautiful backdrop. It's worth it. You don't have to work out your arms today. Incredible. Thank you, Jordan. Love you, Jordan.

Thanks, guys. Have a fun. See you next Tuesday. Love you. Bye. See you next Tuesday. Yeah. And I'll respect to Serena Williams for that comment about like she could go back out there and play.

A little disrespectful to the current lady. I don't think she's going out there and beating Arena Sabalanka, Ega, my girl, right about now. Pagula? Is that the... Yes, shout out to Roger Goodell representing the NFL Super Bowl hat at the Jesse Pugula Arena Sabalanka Miami final.

Did you see her steal Savalanka's Margarita in the post-game show? We've had a lot of women's tennis talk. I've afraid... Women sports guys! Where would you see it's arena right now? Where would you see it Serena? Like if she tried to go back and play? Yeah, you watch the football.

couple of videos. She worked on it for a month. Where would you seed her in the next in the next open tournament? Like 25 maybe? Really? If that. I mean I you're basically on how she ended her career. She was trying to win back then too. Right. Yeah. It's tough. I was like she could play. Yes. Yes. She would be she would be good enough to be most of the tour. But I'm just saying respect. Respect this show. If we want to start off talking a little Serena talking a little scene setting, talk a little tush push, we're going to. The rest of the show, we're really just going through. the news, we're going through some rule changes, and we're also going to have a special appearance once again by the New York Giants in their escape room, which now has added Russell Wilson to the

room. So I'm excited about this. If you listen last week, an outstanding appearance by Joe Shane and James Winston and Colleen, of course, talking about that escape room. But yeah, let's talk about the touch push. Right now, the idea that they would ban it has been tabled. According to a reporter from ESPN, Catherine Kaler, I believe she said it was about even in the room, 16 to 16. They suggested that perhaps the rule proposal will be changed and they might re-vote on it. So we're not done talking about this. But for now, it is tabled. Let's actually listen to Rich McKay, who is ahead, the head of that Rules Committee.

On the health and safety, that exact discussion of, you know, there's not that many plays, there's not that much data, there's not, you know, all that was discussed. I think from a health and safety standpoint, a lot of people are concerned of what may be, not opposed what has been. But I still think that it got to, it went to many different directions beyond health and safety, just the traditionalness of the play, the idea that you could push another player,

the idea that we prohibit pushing on the defense, but we don't prohibit it on the offense. It just went in all those different directions. It didn't just stay on health and safety. Okay, so the whole health and safety thing, is just vibes-based. Like, I actually believe Sean McDermott, when he talks about it,

he seems the most aggressive about it among all the coaches. It's like, we just want to prevent future injuries, but there's no, like, evidence that there would be future injuries. It seems like, sex. I mean, why don't,

why don't you just have your defense prevent some extra yards there? Hey, get on the situation. I'm just saying. The Eagles sent out a tweet also just, at least feeling like they got a stay of execution that I appreciate, which was just like the emoji

for the tushbush, which is officially a Georgia peach and a hand stopping it. So congratulations. So the Eagles. I wish McKay would have been more firm as opposed to saying a lot of people are concerned about what may be and we don't have actual data there. How big is that? Just say like, hey, the people bringing up these concerns don't have the actual data to support it and they should be bringing up those. Because that's what he's essentially saying. And like, so there it is. Like there is no health or safety. We don't have enough data to determine that.

And there we go. Like that's the end of the health and safety discussion. I mean, I just feel like there was a rule that the NFL had and they changed it in 2005. So players would be able to push ball carriers. And then no one took advantage of that until the Eagles did. And now everyone's upset. And McKay also said in another soundbite that they don't like it when a rule seems

specifically targeted at one team. that that makes them feel uncomfortable. And generally is a sign that it's not a very good rule. So they are going to circle back. They talked about, we're going to look at the history of it. Why exactly did we, you know, change the rule back in 20 years ago? And they might make the rule that there's no pushing or pulling on offense or defense. They'll talk about it soon.

But 16, 16, that's not close to getting it over the top. It has to be, what, two, I think three quarters so that you have eight more teams to convinced. I hope the Eagles don't make it happen because when Sean McVey spoke about it, they're just like, it doesn't look like a football play. It doesn't feel good. It's a football play. Unless we're banning all quarterback sneaks, and it would be the Jalen Hertz rule. It's not like Kenny Pickett was out there grounding out. Like this is, this would be the Jalen Hurts rule. One thing I liked that Siriani said too was like, you know, it was almost like a warning. If you, if you make this rule, like, which is all he, that's how he's, we're still going to, we're still

going to sneak it. He's like, we're still going to sneak it. We don't, we don't call the play. We don't teach the play any different. He was arguing against the notion that somehow they do it differently than a normal sneak. He's like, we, we coach the sneak the exact same way. And our sneak would be just as successful. Yeah. He said that the Eagles work so hard to master the fundamentals of the play, arguing it would be unfair to ban the push because other teams aren't successful with it. That's fair. And I appreciated how really cogent Nick Siriani was. such an early time in the morning. We actually have a picture of him.

This is courtesy of Zach Berman at the PHY podcast. And just to circle back to our show on Monday, Nick Shook and I were talking about the coaches that were annually the ones that looked the most tired and maybe had the longest night the night before of the coaches. Mike Tomlin was always high in that list. Kyle Shanahan was another one. Nick Siriani, definitely on that list.

You know what? Good for him. Won the Super Bowl this year. You do your thing. It could be a bad stuff. Still, you know. It could be. I'm being totally unfair.

It's also a bad draw by the NFC coaches. They get the morning after the party. Whereas, you know, the other coaches, but they're probably partying. They're here in the breakers. They're hardworking guys. They deserve it. And the party is probably after the party, right? Nobody's really turning up at the party.

There's multiple parties within the party. You're right. I've never been invited to either one. You're right. But sometimes some people don't pace themselves. They might be not the ones that make it out as long. But you're right. They shouldn't be coaching it.

The more, it's not usually the coaches. That's fair. The more embarrassing performances are after the party. It just seems like a bad idea. Hydrate, everybody. It's still ultimately a work function. It's still kind of, you know, Christmas parties have taken out a lot of employees over the years.

And this feels like a similar situation. You just want to be careful about. The Lions proposal about playoff seating was tabled. But I did see from Dave Burkett, who covers the Lions in Detroit, that there's optimism that it could still pass with tweaks. So I don't know what those tweaks are. Just hold that thought.

We'll see. Their proposal was about the NFC North, for instance, last year. The Vikings would have been seated over the NFC South winner, the wildcard winners getting a higher, I mean, the wild card records. I agree. Yeah, you like that. I love that rule. I think that's how the rule should be.

I don't think it's really fair. If you are in a mediocre division that you were getting a home game, like the best teams should have the home games. Yeah, Sean McVeigh's point, like, hey, you're de-emphasizing winning the division. Yeah, that's the point. Yeah. We're emphasizing all the other. Yeah.

That's the point. Like, it's not an argument to me that this division title is, like, nobody's putting up division title banners. Right. In Seattle, now Seattle won the division when they had the beast quake, but they were hosting, I believe, like a 12 win Saints team, something like that this year. I guess the beast quake wouldn't have happened. I'm almost making a case against it.

But that game, it wasn't really fair. That Saints team kind of had earned that home game. You still get to make the playoffs. You still could have done the Beastquake in New Orleans. We are going to expand replay assist. That's something we talked about last week where like the replays. I know you've really studied up on these rules changes. Oh my God.

You've even called an expert. There's anyone that loves rules. It's me. I love rules. I love following rules. I hate when people break rules. You do a weekly segment famously on NFL game day morning. I know you guys watch.

Walt Anderson. My guy, Walt Anderson and Mooch. It's really fun. I swear to God, I love it. It's me and Mooch's favorite segment. And we have multiple calls with Walt Anderson throughout the week. And he sends us the videos that the teams get of all the cutups from the week and the different things that they're emphasizing.

And I talked to Walt before this show. Yes. And he was talking about the expanded replay because that was a topic multiple times on our Sunday show. So now if there's a call that's egregiously wrong, they can pick up the flag. They can never throw a flag down with replay assist. They can only pick it up. But if a ref or if a call is for a face mask or a horse collar or any or roughing the passer,

roughing the kicker. And it's wrong, then that will be fixed. Progress. I love progress. Yes, expand away. Let's continue to expand. And I know there's folks out there that's like, oh, Patrick's arguing against refs having jobs. No, I just want to see them in like an executive role

in that when you see executives and don't necessarily know what they do, like that's what I would like refereeing to be like. And all executives have assistance. Yeah, there we go. Like the umpire in tennis, for instance. At this point, because everything is electronic, you're not really sure what they do.

Although when they went electronic, that did cost a lot of people jobs. But there are still a lot of objective calls that replay assist will never assist. Yes, I don't think they're ever going to go back to pass interference being part of that. The touchbacks will be taken out to the 35-yard line. So that's exciting.

Yeah. If you send a touchback, a lot more kickoff returns. Exactly. Because when it was at the 30 before, the average drive start was at the 29 they found. So that was just like a one-yard difference. Now it will be a six-yard difference.

That's huge. Colleen is so prepared for the coolest part of the show that I just feel like we're in the way. I kind of want her to lead the way. And I know you're so unprepared for the rest of the show. Yeah, I don't know. I didn't even know those other things. I want you to cook now.

No, it's like, it's like, you know, for my Celtics, when Sam Houser comes off the bench, like get him his 10, three point attempts in the eight minutes that he's in the game. Listen, this will incentivize teams to force kickoffs. I am excited about that. That was a really good rule. I also notice they changed the overtime rules. And now both teams get the ball. But overtime is going to stay at 10 minutes.

They had originally said they'd expand it to 15 minutes, but they're going to keep it at 10 minutes, but both teams get the ball now in regular season overtime. I'm fine with this, but I think there could be repercussions. Like what? Like more ties. It's just encouraging more ties.

Not that there's like going to be a flood of ties, but if the average amount of ties per year, and I have no idea what it is, I would guess it's about one, if that, it might like double, you know. I don't think so. You don't think so? I might go to like two.

I feel like, yeah, I don't know about that. Just because now both teams get it and you're going to run out of time. That's fine. As long as, right, because since the rules are consistent now from a regular season to the postseason and regular season games do impact the postseason, it's what makes the most sense. But they're not consistent. This is not consistent. The regulation in the regular season, it'll be 10 minutes and then the game's over.

So take yourself back to the Super Bowl. between the 49ers and the Chiefs. The 49ers have that long field goal drive, which took forever. Now, they might have played it even differently. They probably would have tried to take as much time off it as possible. Then the Chiefs get the ball. They would have only had, if it was a regular season game, a couple minutes to go drive down the field.

They probably would have been having to play faster and probably would have had a field goal attempt, although you really never know the whole world would be different. I'm saying if that was a regular season game. If it's a postseason game, then you can just play it forever. well okay also a tie it sucks when you're watching the game it sucks if you're playing the game but at the end of the year when all of the seating and the records mean something extra those ties

are good for teams it's better i don't hate the tie as much as other people there's this group of people who do this performative oh i hate ties it's like it's bad it's the worst thing like no i hate a tie in like real time but I would prefer to have a winner to the game but when we're like grinding people in the pulp you know 30 minutes after the game it's like okay plus it brings about the worst cliche in sports which is that it's like kissing your sister I don't just why why that should be banned not the tush push who brought who made that original yeah because I mean there's a whole lot of people

who are just you know they can't have an original thought and they just repeat things that they heard yeah who's the first person to say that because I have some questions yeah Maybe it's like kissing your sister on the cheek. Is that okay? That's fine. No, because I feel like the implication is not cheek. That's not good.

I don't like any of it. Our research department led by Eric Roberts and Chris Bobona say that we've had five ties since 2019. Okay. So that's in six seasons. So my one per year was about right. How many did we have last year? None? We actually haven't had any since 22.

Yeah. But that's just random. You know, there was two in 22. and then one in 1920 and 21. So we've had a little while. The last tie was Commander's Giants back in 22. So NFC Easty of them.

Edgar Rip Miller in 1946 is credited with the kissing yourself. Come on, Edgar. I love how absolutely random this show is. Let's just wrap the rules part of it and then we're going to take a little break. The NFL short in the time necessary to flex a TNF game.

It used to be four weeks. Now it's three weeks. it's not really that important. The lion's idea to eliminate automatic first downs for holding calls doesn't pass. Dan Campbell wasn't totally giving up, said it had a little support in the room, but that did not happen.

Teams can now wear throwbacks four times a year. I love that. I like that. More throwbacks. If you wear them eight times in two years, though, just make that the uniform. And then this isn't a rule, but I just thought I would put it here

at the beginning of the show because it affects us the most. We're playing a triple header on Christmas now. have you heard about this, two Netflix games and one Amazon Prime game. Now, I don't know if it's going to be annually, but this is a Thursday. It's traditionally a football day. They're loading up. We've gone from one to two to three.

I hope there's four next year. Yeah. Oh, wow. Maybe it's the late November birthday, but I've always loved Thanksgiving. And so making everything Thanksgiving is better. And so now we get it on Christmas without like the genocide denial. And so that's cool. Do you usually work it?

No, not Thanksgiving. I'll come in and work. Two different perspectives here. Thanksgiving, though, you get stuck working. But yeah. League guy. Yeah. Everything thanks.

Oh, yeah. More football. More football. We don't need holidays with our families. Who are they? No, no, no, no. We want to spend holidays here, right here, or at the game. Facts.

Yeah. I'm always in support of more football in general. Obviously. I famously. was the originator of the idea that we should just play two games a day for the entire NFL season. I made up a whole mock schedule and actually there's no days off. That was before I had my second child and I've now come a lot around so that's a bad idea. Greg, you really did this and you really thought about it. Yes. And really pictured yourself in this scenario. This was over a decade

ago. I thought two games a day would just spread it out. Yeah. Everyone's excited for every game then. every day is football every day is a Sunday so I look forward to Christmas yeah I just it's a lot it's a lot to make that such an NFL day

I have mixed feelings I do have mixed feelings I like a if we're gonna have a Christmas slate I feel like one game is good I'm kind of with you there and yet more football

we'll be covering it here on NFL day I have a little bit of mixed feelings on Christmas in general because my family leaves me for it and so I have to pretend that Christmas. They leave you every year?

Is the weekend before? Yes. And then everyone hears that. And then they get bummed out by it. And then they start like, oh, you should come over to do this. I think, no, no, it's fine. And so I actually thought, like,

it was kind of like a nice free day. Wait, I have been on that side where I'm like, come over. Yeah, no, and it's fine. I'm just, it's, but now that there's football, it's like, okay, you can't even just chill and go to like a movie with, like a movie or just whatever. With Anthony?

You've got to kind of watch the, it's just so. Jeselnick? Yeah. As long as they don't touch Christmas Eve, I'm good. They do. They do. We had a Christmas Eve NFL Network game a few years ago.

Hopefully. Three games on Christmas. Looking forward to it. Eric, I hope you're ready. Christmas night. We're doing a show. He stays ready. So he doesn't have to get ready.

So mad right now. Let's take a quick break. We're going to come back. We're going to talk about all the NFC coaches. They talked at the coach's breakfast. One of the more random annual traditions. And yes, we're going back into that escape. room with the giant. Yes, we are.

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Toyota, the official automotive partner of the NFL. Visit Toyota.com slash NFL now to learn more. Previously on NFL first dates, James Winston and the Giants are in the heart, of the Lower East Side at NFCE East Escape. The kind of place you find on a damp, gloomy night next to an abandoned warehouse covered in graffiti. Inside the escape room, an unforgettable night is unfolding.

James, Ever the Showman, leads a captive audience through the Dallas Chamber. Here, distractions abound. Limits are tested, and the photosensitive will not survive. It's a first date with great. grave consequences. Flashing lights, pom-poms, and ear-splitting country music

fills the space as the group desperately tries to solve star-shaped puzzles. In the far corner of chaos, little Jordan Humphrey unlocks a hidden compartment. Click. The room goes silent. Chauncey Goldston gasps. A holographic projection

of Jerry Jones splashes the wall. wall. His message will change the course of this evening. Beads of sweat begin to form on Tommy DeVito's face. The long huts at dinner were a bad idea. James grabs Tommy by the shoulders and tells him to stay focused. Suddenly, the room feels smaller. It's getting warmer and more difficult to breathe as time ticks on. Jerry speaks in cryptic code saying things like, We're all in. Stats are for losers. And I tried to get us what I thought was the equivalent of a Romo with Quincy Carter in the third round.

He ends the odd rant with four words. The future is calling. A phone rings next to Brian Dayball. He doesn't answer because he doesn't yet know who's calling the plays next season. James springs into action to take the call. He's in full control right now until he hears the voice on the other end. The glint in his eye immediately disappears.

The call is coming from inside the house. An unexpected addition to the room. A hidden door swings open to reveal the sly grin on Russell Wilson's face. heard you guys were doing some divisional bondage I mean bonding

his voice echoing through the room mind if I join the party party party just a little friendly competition to be continued brilliant

time ticks on keeps on ticking will they get out of the escape room I don't know if they're going to get out of the NFCs to escape I don't

I don't know either. I don't know if Dable ever gets out. It sounds like they had firm leadership, but now. Stability is completely thrown. Too many cooks. Also, just excellent writing in so many different ways, but also picking the three funniest names you could from the Giants, Chauncey Goldston, little Jordan Humphrey, and Tommy DeVita.

So it's just, that's great little, it's the small touches. Yeah. Chonsie Goldston came from Dallas. That makes sense, too, but just works. Wow. We're going to have to make this a weekly segment of calling visits. Next will go to the Eagles section. Ooh, speaking of which, what a transition.

Let's talk about Nick Siriani. So we talked Tushpush earlier. But just in terms of the team, there were a couple little nuggets. And, you know, I'm diving deep. So most of these we can be quick on, but just some of the nugs that came out from the coaches breakfast on Tuesday morning. And yes, it's very early when they started this. He was asked about Dallas Godder,

and he said, right now he's on our team. We'll see what happens and how that happens. And that door is not just back open. That answer makes me think Dallas Goddard's not going to be on the Eagles. Unless they're playing some sort of hardball publicly, they don't get the benefit of him not being on the Eagles financially until after June 1st. So maybe that's part of it.

Or maybe they're trying to work out a trade. But very interesting. Is Howie trying to get like an extra draft pick here, maybe a fourth rounder or something? Yeah, just a few more shots at the barrel. But I wonder, you get diminishing returns at some point because Dallas Gowder's skill set isn't just readily available out there. And there's no answer that's currently on the team. Right.

And they've had such a good streak of tight ends in Philadelphia. Zach Ertz before that, even Brent Selick. And he can still play. but he has struggled to stay on the field. So I think that's where it's at and them making decisions. And Howie Roseman was asked about it too. And he just said there's no update,

you know, how he's been a tremendous player. And they sign guys Harrison Bryant, Kyle and Grants. But now I'm kind of combining Howie comments. And he had another quote I wanted to talk about, but I think it should be married with this Goddard deal. He says, quote, we are incomplete right now. talent acquisition season has just started.

Oh, season S-ZN? I mean... Howie only says it as S-C-N. And it was pointed out on Twitter, I believe this was from Zach Berman as well, getting a lot of pop on this show, that at this time, three years ago, when they were last at the breakers,

how he said something similar. And after that part of the office, season, they traded for A.J. Brown. They traded for Chauncey Gardner Johnson. Not Goldston. No. And there was another big off season move that I'm forgetting about off the top of my head. But the point being they brought in, oh, it was James Bradbury bringing in as a free agent who ended up playing a big role for them. And that makes me think, okay, I've been talking about the Eagles that have been weirdly quiet this off season, just picking around the margins. I thought they might push to the middle of like, let's really go for it.

And now I'm kind of circling draft weekend. I'm thinking about Dallas Goddard. He could be part of this as part of some trades that they still have some significant moves to make. He's basically saying it. Yeah. I mean, he's there. It's no secret though also. Everyone expects the Eagles and Howie Roseman to make a splash and make moves before

the draft. That's what happens. That's what they do. But it is a strange strategy. there's two tight ends with a first round grade that might be available at 32 where that could ultimately determine how they go and maybe the draft is what explains the right now

and there's a couple good though second round tight ends two or Mason Taylor might be a guy they look at as a guy you would take in the first round or Elijah Arroyo from Miami that they will trade out of that spot so someone else can hop in there and get the rights to like a quarterback or something that they want to just take a flag on.

I feel like that always happens with the last spot in the first round. I would doom Jackson Dart if somebody comes up and makes a trade with Howie at 32 for Jackson Dart. That would spell disaster. Maybe Nick was just like a little sweaty. It's early in the morning and stuff.

But just the tone and the way he was answered this, I now kind of expect Dallas Goddard would not be on the ego set. Well, now that you're, now that you put it into that perspective and seeing his photo and seeing that he maybe didn't look like he was at 100% himself.

Now that it has even more truth to it. Art Rooney the second spoke to reporters on Tuesday and was a little more revealing on the Aaron Rogers front saying we keep hearing that he's headed in our direction. And so it seems to be

that all signs are positive so far. Dot, dot, dot. And that the Steelers will quote, wait a little while longer, but not forever, that they'll only have to wait a little while longer. He's basically saying, this thing's happening. This is almost like the boss revealing more than the guys underneath the Mike Tomlin or their GM wanted to, but he's basically assuming Aaron Rogers is going to be on the Steelers. I feel like he's just looking at his phone waiting for the text to come through. Like this is like someone who is just sort of

checking their phone every five minutes to see if this person texted them yet. No, still not there. I don't know. It's giving that. It feels like everybody has been very careful at every step of the process. And this feels like the dangerous move where everybody is on tiptoes

and you have to abide by the rules of this person who could do anything. You don't know what this person's a wildcard. You don't know how they're going to make the decision or what's going to play into it. So you don't want to mess up. And when you're the person who ultimately is making the decisions in Art Rumi the 2nd,

you can say things like this. I'm just concerned that this, the habitual line stepper that's involved that we're discussing who people are afraid to criticize because they don't know what he's going to do how's he going to react to like oh you're expecting it oh well

nobody tells me what to do right that that would be my concern and if you're already dealing with that like is this really the relationship you want set a date he should set a date oh a deadline is great because I'm wondering if at this point Aaron Rogers is just asking for concessions

from Arthur Smith or like what what is happening? Who knows. We'll put a pit on it. More on this topic on Wednesday's show. I'm actually going to have Dave Damasek on the program. You are? And we are going to just present the case of why the Steelers shouldn't do this.

What about Fruit of the Year? Well, I'll ask them about how that's shaping up so far. Just help. Thanks. Before it's too late, we had to move this show up. Wait, that your very first podcast for the NFL's check. It was on the DDFP. Okay.

I owe this headset to change. Sheck actually, when I auditioned for NFL Network, he was the person that was sitting at the desk with me while I auditioned. So he was like the faux analyst. And he was obviously instrumental in getting the- Yes. Without check, I wouldn't be here. Off the ground, around the NFL podcast. Oh, yes. So he's the best. Everyone check out his latest YouTube video, by the way, for Dan Labatard show. It's outstanding. You'll find it there on Checks page. All right, let's go through this. Not a lot of other huge. huge headlines. But when we're talking Steelers, it made me think of D.K. Metcalfe.

Dave Canales volunteered to Kay Adams on her show that they were in on, on D.K. There was some reporting about that. But he, she asked him about like, hey, what about Tyreek Hill? And he was like, well, we were in on D.K. There were some interesting conversations there. He also then said, well, but we've got Xavier Leggett. We think he could be that guy. And when talking about the number eight overall pick, he says, we have to address defense. They were dead last in defense. So kind of tipping his hand there. I do wonder, though, I think this Tyree Kill situation is bubbling as a possibility. And I would put the Panthers near the top of the list of a team just crazy enough to do it.

I don't know that it would be crazy. It would be who's willing to make the biggest financial investment in Tyree Kill at this point. Yes. I'm not saying crazy or even desperate, but I do think there's a risk rewards situation with Tyree Kill that wasn't there as much for the dolphins in that his age. and the money, you know, and potential decline with everything else. And by everything else, I just think he takes management

as a star receiver potentially on the decline. I just can't picture Tyree Kill in Carolina with that team and the way that they play and his personality in general. I do think you would fit well with Bryce Young, though. Like Bryce Young to it, like a lot of yards after the catch. Like, I could see that.

It could go great. could also really blow up. I kind of want to see Tyreek out of that offense at this point. In Miami. After 2025, I'm willing to be done with this edition of the Miami Dolphys. Okay. Everyone working there disagrees, but I know what you're saying. Rahim Morris was talking about Kurt Cousins.

He just was like, we really want him to be our backup. But if it's good for both of us, we would like to see a trade happen. and we're kind of expecting a trade to happen by draft day. I mean, on draft weekend. Would you look forward to Colleen, Kirk Cousins, week one starter, Cleveland Browns? Oh, that's interesting. Because last year I'm thinking about how night one of the draft,

Kirk Cousins was on the mind of everyone when the Falcons drafted a quarterback in the first round. And so if that happens again, that would be really interesting for Kirk Cousins. doesn't make me all of a sudden think that the Browns are going to be good if Kirk Cousins is there. No. And I'm checking the schedule. They're not on a schedule.

I would like to see like a Falcons revenge game. Oh, the Falcons Browns revenge. Yeah, that would be good. It's not on the schedule. Who would it be revenge for? I don't know. Paying me so much money and not telling me where you're going to draft Michael Pennix. Right.

And then benching me when I clearly couldn't move. But if draft night is the idea with the Browns picking two, wouldn't it incentivize the Browns to do this before? for draft night? Not if they have sort of a tacit agreement that Kirk wants to get past the draft and make sure

that they don't take a quarterback and that's the whole idea and you trade them on day two or maybe they're waiting for someone else to give them more money and trade them for some like fifth round pick and so that happens on day three. I don't know.

It should be fine. Todd Bowles, I thought was interesting, said they really needed to draft the cornerback. Mike Vrable said that you got to see Will Campbell who's a potential number four overall pick as a left tackle.

Hubba, How can you not see him there? That's what you got to do. Yeah, I guess it makes sense. But people are projected. Yeah, it is a silly idea where it's like, oh, well, if it's not where just put him at guard. No, he's a tackle. Matt Lafleur in random left tackle news says their first round pick from a year ago will compete at left tackle and confirmed Elkden Jenkins is going to play at center.

They think he could be an all pro center. He's bounced around all over that offensive line. This one might only interest me. What is it? But in Judy Batista. I think she's with me on this. this historical stuff that we get into. They have now decided the NFL

that All-American Football Conference stats will count towards NFL stats. Can anyone in either room tell me what the All-American Football Conference is? I should have prepped you on this, but I didn't. Any idea? Any idea. It was a league that merged with the NFL,

but not the AFL. it was back like in the late 40s into 50 that merged with the NFL. And I believe, you know, there's a number of teams that still exist from the AFC. Wes would love this discussion. He absolutely would. I miss, Miss Wes.

He would have so much knowledge on this. Okay. So the AAFC was eight teams at the time. The NFL was 10 teams at the time. They forced a merger. And from that merger, the Cleveland Browns were born? Well, they were already there. Winning titles with Paul.

Paul Brown back in the AFC. The San Francisco 49ers come from that. And then the New York Yanks, which eventually, I believe, became the Giants. Confusing as a baseball team. Shout out to the Los Angeles Dons. Did not know that. That was a team. What?

We need to find merch. And they played at the Coliseum, which literally still exists. But the big takeaway from this, for me, is that Paul Brown now gets like 27 more wins. So he moves up the all-time coaching list. He's now up to number seven. A lot of people would say maybe the most important person. If you had to choose one in the history of football, Bill Belichick would say Paul Brown would be the most important one,

at least in terms of the NFL, like in terms of modernizing it. And then this one is the one I like, Marianne Motley, who was also Belichick's favorite all-time player, a running back, fullback with the Browns, is now the all-time leader in yards per carry, not counting quarterbacks. Like Lamar and Michael Vick are ahead of him, but in terms of running backs, Marion Motley.

So I just thought, if you want to, know about football like that that's that's something uh let's talk a little bit about micha parsons as we were taping jerry jones uh spoke about micha parsons's contract situation micha parsons then quickly responded on twitter let's listen to jerry jones the agent is uh not a factor here of something to worry about and i don't know his name oh and so my point is that i'm not trying to meaning in any way. But this isn't about an agent. The agent doesn't have one thing to do

with what we're doing when we get on a football field against the team. Micah does. There it is. Jerry Jones and I are on the same exact. Since the agent is not an issue in this, what's the prohibiting factor?

I don't know. But that agent is David Mulligetta, who is the most powerful agent, I would say, in the NFL. One of the most powerful people, I would say. Jerry knows his name. In the NFL. Has to. Well, it could go both ways.

Maybe not. You're right. I don't know. He might be saying that to make a point, which I would love. Or, you know. So petty. He might just be getting up there. Michael Piersons responded on, on Twitter saying,

Fax, David is the best. I will not be doing any deal without him involved like anyone with good sense i hired experts for a reason there's no one i trust more there will be no back doors in this contract like uh i don't even know what that means how that is responding to the thing but jerry jones that was pretty disrespectful i guess or it's just ignorance i don't know or it's a proper analysis of the way that the system works yeah um you know david mugoletta is an employee of micha parsons who's going to harvest three percent of his earnings or between one and 3%. I don't know, I don't know exactly what he's paying, paying him for.

Yeah. I wasn't planning to bring this up either, but it's Mulliganadee apparently across the national media on first take this morning, they were talking about Jimmy Haslam's comments. They had the Browns owner about essentially how, you know, they had the big swing and a miss with Deshawn Watson. And as they were talking about that in context, all the hosts and it was Stephen A. Smith, Shannon Sharp and Ryan Clark all went out of their way to praise

David Mulligetta and saying what a great job that David Meligeta did negotiating that contract and they're all laughing about it and saying like what an amazing job that he did in that scenario and so I do want to point out what he did in that scenario

was essentially get the entire media landscape to stay quiet about how much the sexual assault allegations were going to affect the rest of Deshaun Watson's career and kind of like look past that as a factor and what a contract would be and convince the Browns to sign a sexual predator for $230 million, not only ruining their franchise because he was not good at football anymore, but because of all those allegations and the endless kind of court battles that he was in

and the suspension that kept him away from the game, you know, potentially affected not only himself and how his career is basically over, but also made it a miserable experience to root for the Browns or play for the Browns or be employed by the Browns for three years. And those three guys are all laughing and saying, what a great job the agent did. But also there were teams lining up for this.

So the Browns were just the ones that ended up with him, but it could have been the Panthers or the Saints. Yeah. Or the Falcons. Yeah. It honestly gives Mugoletta too much credit. The landscape was fine with Deshaun Watson coming back. That's how he came back.

As Jimmy Haslam said, we'll give him credit for saying the thing. He wanted him, ultimately. And Mugoleta had a player who was in what we thought was the problem of his career, who was an actual free agent and had the leverage in that situation. There were other agents. I would argue that I. Right. position. We could have negotiated a guaranteed contract. What a plot twist that would be if you became

an agent. Yeah, it would be. And unfortunately, I would have to tell the people the truth that the player is the person who's actually providing the labor. And if a team is interested in the services of the player, then they could contact the player and make the deal without me. Right. But yeah, I'll take, I'll take money. But this idea that he was necessary in that, way too many people were willing to give Deshaun lots of money. Sure. But also, all these years later, this is an an ultimate example of the classic tweet that you do not under any circumstances got to hand it to them.

You do not have to hand it to David Mulligeta. What he did in that moment, he was not ultimately in service of his client. Like any of it was not a good job. Or any client, right, where the league is now going to be more reluctant to give a player a fully guaranteed contract specifically because of this situation.

It may have set everybody back. well that was a detour i didn't expect to make a necessary one as yeah a very annoying thing to see this this morning truly just stop uh let's just wrap with a couple little little nuggets kyle shanahan said they're going to bring in a kicker to compete with jake moody so you're on you're on york their owner said that they're not far apart on brock purdy contract dogs okay so that's good i guess that agent is working out i i don't want that to uh to last all offseason And then some contract extension talks, depending on the source. These were mostly from GMs and coaches.

Derek Henry, Terry McLaurin, Kyron Williams of the Rams. Terry McLaren, of course, with the commanders, Henry, with the Ravens. They all might be getting some contract extensions. I would sign you guys to contract extensions if I could. Well, thanks, Greg. And not even take 3%. I was going to say.

This would have been the crew last season, if you're a real NFL daily completest and you listen to all the shows and your interest in this sort of minutia originally the show was Colleen, Patrick, and myself, I believe on Wednesdays. But scheduling didn't work out

and then you ended up doing Tuesday but it would have been a great show. It would have been great. It could be still. It could still be. Like it is. Yeah. Like it is literally today.

Are you out like politicking for the schedule next year right now? I'm not. I just want to have one. These are the things, yeah. Yes. Same. Same. Same. Same. It's in the title. We love football. We love our job. So they have to. We want to keep it. They have to keep it going. But Tuesday is just a natural fit for you. Wednesday. You know, we love having you here on Tuesday though, Patrick. I appreciate you. Yeah, glad to be here. We thank Jordan Rodriguez of the athletic for joining us as well. I hope her arm is okay. Her shoulders must be burning. Yeah, she's going to have to balance that out. Everyone in the research department in the back to Christy Stapleton is here. Yes, we will be back on. Wednesday with Dave Damachette.

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