NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Tybee Island Recap; Carl Nassib Comes Out

Episode Date: June 22, 2021

A room full of some heroes - Dan Hanzus, Marc Sessler, Gregg Rosenthal and Ricky Hollywood recap their amazing trip to Tybee Island, Georgia to celebrate the life of Chris Wesseling. Raiders DE Carl Nassib comes out as gay becoming the first active NFL player to do so. Also, Eli Manning is BACK with the Giants (52:50).Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's everything you need to understand the why behind what happens on Sunday. Don't miss it. Listen to the Move the Sticks podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Around the NFL podcast. We'll celebrate West proudly in Tybee. Welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL podcast. My name is Dan Hansis. I come to you from a virtual room filled with some heroes. Mark Sessler, Greg Rosenthal. Yes, no, it's not just we're going. going to time. We are back from Tybee. An incredible weekend, boys and girls. Ricky Hollywood jumping in right now as well. We all flew out a whole bunch of us, a whole mess of us. LA folk, Tybee folk, Cincinnati folk, and we had a big old party. It was less a memorial

to West, although there were certainly elements of that, but more a celebration of a great man, a great friend, a great father, a great husband. husband, a great brother, a great son, and we had a great time. We did. Five days on Tybee. We got there Thursday, right? We all left Monday. Only Wes could bring this group of people together.

You know, the Cincinnati crew and the Wessling brothers. And then there was us, of course, Colleen and John. But also, you know, a lot of people from the, you know, NFL like Matt Tanton, I got a good story. I actually do want to say on the podcast with him later. And, you know, Omar Ruiz and everything. And then the Tybee crew, who was just so amazing setting up this softball field dedication. And just like, they're all very different. And some of them, you know, I got a, you know, I realize like, you know, West brought them together.

You know what I mean? Like they, it's not like they are all of them are all hanging out of the time. But Wes had such an amazing ability. And I've thought about, I know we all have, he brought the three of us together in a lot of ways, too. But just seeing like all those disparate people, he would have been like, he would have gotten a kick out of that. I mean, and we had the chance to stay in a group house together. And I feel like, you know, I sounded like the person that's been hesitant to get back into things. Not this kind of thing.

I mean, what was happening in the house to me felt very Wesselmania-like at times. And it kind of had some flagship elements to hanging out with West. Like, yes, Greg, you mentioned, like, we met all these new people. Even inside our group, I think we talked to each other in ways we haven't been able to, like in ages in person. There were plenty of spirits flowing. And this is the other thing that always seemed to happen around West. Like, on Sunday night, for those that have ever wondered, like, who listened to this,

what would it be like to hang out with this cast of characters? I mean, we got a version of Dan. operating humor, various lines of humor. I mean, like, Dan times 19, and there was, I think there was like about a cry laughing. My jaw and face were like hurting by the end of the night in the next morning from just laughing nonstop for like three and a half or four hours. It was a truly great time. It was hard to leave. Like when those things happened, part, you just forget about the whole rest of the world.

We didn't sit around talking about work. We just did it up the way West would want to. Or how sad things were. It wasn't, it was really, it was a beautiful thing. And there is this hole in the center because being in Tybee and this great island with these friendly people and everything is so wonderful and lived in the people on the island that organized various elements of the weekend, did such an amazing job doing it. The only thing missing was Wes. And so there's that part of it that keeps it bittersweet, but everything else about it was frankly beautiful. And Ricky, like, as Mark was saying, like us all hanging out together, you know, the inside.

jokes start to pile up and we were doing all these different adventures together. It was a great way to honor, uh, Wes. It was so much fun. And, you know, as you can, you can hear by my voice, there was one point, I think it was Sunday night where Greg told me to just stop talking because it was hurting everyone in the room because we're just yelling, we're screaming at each other, like loving. And it was, we're playing, we're playing root, you know, beer pong. Your voice was next level, though.

It was like, it was an adolescent boy at the precise moment he became a man, but just like always. And it was just like, you got to put a pin in this and try to recover for tomorrow. Opinions vary, though. I was kind of into it, Ricky. Right. And you let me know that many, many times. Dan loves adolescent boys. Oh, it was such an awesome, awesome weekend.

And I couldn't have, you know, the house that that you guys just talked about was so cool. It was like three floors. We were all together. like it was the perfect mix Greg didn't stay there so it was amazing like we all like it was so great like we had so much fun Dan the morning of the softball game starts putting on the Bose speaker put me in coach and he's blasting it and we had to get up really early because you know the powers that be put the softball game very very early in the morning after we'd been up drinking and uh jet was like asleep in the room and Dan busts into the room with the Bose speaker and starts playing put me in coach like it was just it was i just am so in love with you guys and all the people that loved west and it's just like my heart is so full after this weekend it was fun to see like the the combo i yeah i stayed with rosy and wayne uh two of west's uh closest friends who i had stayed with uh another time you know when when west and keish and i went out there in 2018 and that was one of my favorite things to see

from the weekend was like the mixing um of some new new la characters with some tiby characters and getting to know some of the Tybee people and getting to know Chris's, you know, brothers in a different way. It was a big Tim Wessling weekend for me, at least. I feel like he was like a star of Wesleyings. And seeing, for instance, our producer on the TV side, Matt Tanton in this cornhole tournament that we all had, which Dan was fantastic. And I think could have won it and lost a tight semifinal game. I got beat by a guy called the Terminator in the semifinals. Actually, Colleen was my partner.

Colleen was throwing great corn. We were a co-ed team. wiping out all these like island folk who thought they're pooped in and stink well it stunk it stunk something rotten but the terminator just barely edged us out right yeah Wesleying brothers won anyway ultimately and that was great as well yeah it was it was fitting that it was that phil and larry won the tournament but in i think it was a first round matchup and i'm watching uh two of two of our friends matt tann and emily mitchka go against uh two tybee folk and tan you know tan's a competitive guy. And he's going against

Denise, one of Wes's good friends who I was shocked to see still standing at that time of the night. You know, she talked earlier like 3 p.m. You know, sometimes is bedtime. The way that she was around one or two.

We were getting after earlier today. And she is standing next to Matt, not in great shape. And she is wiping the floor with him. And she is Or 10. You can't even defend him. She is talking, she's talking trash. I mean, it's a team game, but she's talking trash. She's like, who's winning right now? And I'm like, you're winning 14 to 2, dumbass?

Like, and it was like, it was just like really hilarious to like watch this interaction and him walk over and just be like, I can't believe I lost to that. Very low PR reaction to Cessler and Michka, A, destroying Dan and Gonzo and Beer Pong. And then the whole room clears out because it's like, oh, Dan, Dan, and Gonzo are out of the competition so there's no heat around this anymore and then we devastate Ricky and Jet and there's no there's no buzz around it afterwards so I'm I'm investigating the response to that that's because there was a lot of it Mark and great performance by you um was this this millennial gen Z version of beer pong slash Beirut that's going on now and I understand

we're in a COVID world right now um but they don't put the beer in the cups uh now they put water in the cups and then and then you drink your own drink and then you drink your own drink and it's like all these kids don't understand that the whole rush of the game is the payoff and having to take the swigs of the beer and all this stuff i just thought you guys had stripped away the elements of the game in such a way uh youth of america uh that the old timers the the old guard it's not i'm not shouting i'm not shaking my fist at the cloud i'm telling you you made it worse fix bayroo fix beer pong bring it back to the way it was bring the spirit back to the game

and the crowds mark will come speaking of crowds when connie and i were in the semifinals against the terminator there was like it was in it was like 11 o'clock at night there i feel like there are 50 or it felt like a thousand people watching us every throw the crowd going nuts that's tiby tiby is just a fun place where you get loose and have fun and i totally understand uh why west loved it there so much dan tell them tell them the power of who my partner was by the luck of the draw. Oh, that was great. And your partner, Eric, and this was perfect irony because, you know, you're a little weird with this stuff.

La Cid, one of the great legends on Mount Rushmore of producers for the around the NFL podcast. She joined us. She was one of the heroes in Tybee Island. And by luck of the draw, Ricky, who always has, you know, little hangups about La Cid because she was so damn good at her job. and I miss her and I think about her all the time and she's got an amazing voice. She's got a career on the upswing and she's found a wonderful man named

Bronson, which who thought that was the name that was still in the mix? But you, I have to say, Erica, before we get into the news, you really did comport yourself well with Sydney, knowing she was there, knowing that we wanted her there. Good for you.

You're growing up right before our eyes. Thank you. Yeah, unfortunately, I really, really, really wanted to hate her. But she's so, sweet she's so nice and Dan put her in a laundry closet and I had a master bedroom so I think that's all that needs to be said

about that I would explain that but I kind of like it more just like leaving it at that yeah Erica could not take it though when we took a picture with Sydney she started like twitching and screaming and then insisted on coming into that picture horrible voice

hey hey I was we're getting ready to take a picture and then I heard like and I looked to the swamp to see if a creature was crawling towards us, but it was Erica down the driveway wanting to get in the photo. Let's do some news. The citizens of Tybee Island dedicate this field to West, a man who loved the game, called this little island home. Let's play ball.

Awesome, awesome job by the people of Tybee. They named one of the primary softball field there, Wessling Field. It is that forever and a play. plaque also was put right behind home plate that Lakeisha helped drill right into the wall with Eric, one of the locals there, who runs Huckapoo's, the bar that we all love, and was Wes's bar. And again, we've heard this before, Huckapoo's gets, people take journeys to go to where West went and hung out during his time in Georgia.

Listeners of the show will travel as far as from Austria, one listener, just to have a beer at Huckapoo's. And I, listen, you don't need an excuse to go to Tybee, but if you do want to see this whole place and see the bar and experience the food, I went to a place called the Sea Wolf four days in a row that had awesome trawl broiled oysters and great drinks. And then you could visit Wessling Field with the sign and the plaque. And no, that's, that's where this all went down this weekend. Awesome. You're wearing that, you're wearing the shirt from the game, which does, and you're right about them doing an ostrac. Eric, you know, Eric Dubuque, who I think helped push that through, you know, town council and Jason Bielderman, his friend, the former mayor who spoke in Eric from Huckapoo's were all amazing. But the one thing that the Huckapoo side of it was, it was a little untoward is for this softball game. They basically bring in ringers from out of town. They never even were on the softball team with West. The only thing they didn't get right, the whole weekend. You know, huge guns and they're wearing baseball.

uniforms we're batting everyone you know we've got all of all of our girls that wanted to play everyone that wanted to play got to play we you know we're playing we're competitive we put some runs up at first and they've got these masters that they bring in from out of town so we see you huckapoo's and uh and we're going to come back with some ringers of our own next time well to the point where um you know i was i was standing as an observer with with emily hansis and emily hansis commented on one of these two gigantic men's thighs um probably 30 to 40 times during the game. I don't know, Dan, if that led to any further discussions with you, but she was

plugged in on those performers. I was unaware of that, but I will be having a very serious sit down with her right after today's program. Emily is so funny. She was, Dan made a play. Dan made a play. And she's screaming, that's my baby. But Dan didn't get the guy out.

He didn't throw it to first base in time. And Emily's screaming like, that's my baby. Oh, it was fun. It was fun. All right. Let's get into it. Ricky, listen, your heart is filled with love about our trip to Tybee Island. And then we get back. You're in L.A. I'm on the Jersey Shore with family right now. And news breaks on Monday that we have our first openly gay, active NFL player in our midst. It is Las Vegas, Raiders, defensive, and Carl Nassib took to Instagram, and this is what the 28-year-old had to say.

I just want to take a quick moment to say that I'm gay. I've been meaning to do this for a while now, but I finally feel comfortable enough to get it off my chest. I really have the best life. I got the best family, friends, and job a guy could ask for. I'm a pretty private person, so I hope you guys know that I'm really not doing this for attention. I just think that representation and visibility are so important.

I actually hope that, like, one day, videos like this and the whole coming out process are just not necessary. But until then, you know, I'm going to do my best and do my part to cultivate a culture that's accepting, that's compassionate. And I'm going to start by donating $100,000 to the Trevor Project. They're an incredible organization. They're the number one suicide prevention service for LGBTQ youth in America. And they're truly doing incredible things. And I'm very excited to be a part of it to help in any way that I can. and I'm really pumped to see what the future holds.

The Trevor Project provides crisis intervention and suicide prevention services to the LGBT community. And Ricky, I thought it was notable how he started that. I want to take a quick moment to say I'm gay and then he said it doesn't need to be this blown out overwrought exercise.

It's supposed to be normal because it's normal all around us now. How did you feel about that and what this means? Yeah, I mean, it really did bring me to tears last night reading about it and reading some of the comments and everyone coming out in support of him you know when when you when you see someone post something like that you instantly go to the comments because you're like here's all these people that want to you know

boycott the NFL and everyone's got oh he's not going to want to shower with teammates now or teammates aren't going to you know you see that kind of stuff but a lot of the comments especially from players right now we're so positive and so so just moving to see. And to me, it's, you know, when I watch football as a kid, I watch, you know, football because I love the game. And when I look at it, they're men playing. And so I know that I'm not going to grow up and be a football player.

But there are a lot of young boys, especially that grow up watching football, that could be like, I want to be a football player, but I'm a little different than what is considered normal. So there's not a place for me there. and it seems so weird and a lot of people are commenting like why does it matter why does it matter but it actually really duds like you can be a tough masculine you know great player in the NFL and who cares who you love it doesn't have to be this huge this huge thing and to me that is so moving and you know we did our pride cast pride is supposed to be fun and full of love

but there are so many people who think they're better off dead than loving who they love. And just to see someone that they can look up at the TV and know that it's okay and their players accept them, the media is covering it in an accepting way. Like it really gives me chills because it's like, look, you can be whoever you want to be and you have a place here in this league. It's amazing because it's been seven years since Michael Sam. I mean, Michael Sam was, you know, on practice squads, he's on a roster. He wasn't a guy like Nassab, who's, what, on his third contract now with the Raiders.

He actually, I think, took a pay cut to stay with the Raiders this year. You know, he had been with the Browns and the Bucks before that, you know, solid, solid player. But it really hit me actually during our Pride episode. It was like, how, you know, how little the NFL has come in the last seven years, like since that happened, or baseball or basketball? It's like kind of wild that these firsts are still happening. And it's great the way he did it. I love that he's also like directing people's energy towards suicide prevention, mental illness along with LGBTQ.

And that's like, that's amazing too. And it's great because no one ultimately like even if he's trying to, and he's trying to limit the exposure and, you know, media. And you can tell he's not going to be like trying to do a bunch of feature articles and stuff like that. it is hard and it's a big deal because no one else has done it and there's tons of gay players in the league at all times you know one of the thing that struck me was warren moon uh sent to tweet out and he was like this is so awesome to see i had so many gay teammates over the years this is warren moon you know playing in the 80s and 90s which of course has always been true it's never not been true in the NFL and he and it wasn't a big deal among us we were

supportive um and it was great you know for them but obviously it really wasn't wasn't as comfortable for them, and certainly not to go public or else this would have been happening. And so this happening hopefully just makes it easier for everyone moving forward. I think of, you know, beyond the football side of it, and it is incredible. I mean, honestly, there were Warren Moon knew people and everyone in a locker room would, but had that gone public, it would have been absolutely dangerous for that player. And, you know, what he mentioned.

today, Nasib, or yesterday about the fact that he's agonized over this for 15 years, that's the personal side because, like, we all have sort of so many worlds within us. Like, you can't just put people into a category and leave them in a suppressed state. When I think about someone agonizing for 15 years over their authentic, genuine person, who they really are, because Carl Nassab, you know, we've not heard him talk that much, But he was on the Browns Hard Knocks, and I think he struck us as someone that was unique, super interesting, and like not like... Really into finances? Yeah, like he was sort of stealing the show.

But I think that when he also says that he did not do this simply for attention because he is a private person, that felt very real to me. And it's tilted now to some degree where we can't have young people feeling unsupported by any adult figure in their life. and going through a 15-year agonizing process. And that's where I think in our country, it's changing a little bit. I'm not saying it's perfect or easy at all, but we're much better off than we were 20 years ago on that front. And, you know, we had someone after our show in West Hollywood,

a listener, a male listener, write us privately and say, thank you so much because, like, I'm a football fan, but I don't feel really heard on that front. Like, I'm seen as like a different type of football fan then the typical guy or girl you'd think follows the NFL. And it was like to have you guys go just celebrate Ricky, but just kind of be, have a real talk about the whole thing.

I mean, I'm in a bit of different place than I was 10, 15 years ago on the topic too. So it's like you've got to keep evolving. Seven years ago. I mean, we were at Radio City Music Hall when the Michael Sam draft pick happened. And it does feel, and Erica,

you're much more equipped to tell us how you feel about this. To me, it does feel like there's been progress even since then. And I don't think comment sections are one thing, because comment sections could be horrible places. But I'm more thinking about locker rooms and players giving interviews after the fact when they're asked during training camp

if they would be comfortable. Seven years ago, I would not be surprised if there was a lot of sound bites coming out with guys that are afraid of what they don't understand saying critical comments about, could I play with a gay teammate? I don't think that's going to happen anymore. because I think, A, there's a greater understanding of this,

and B, people understand that that's not acceptable to even have that opinion and share it in public. So I think it's going to work out very well for Nassib in the sense that I don't think it's, and we'll say, but I think he'll be able to go on with this career and not feel like he's in an uncomfortable place. And then, Ricky, the positive thing, I think, and the thing if this really spins forward,

because we know there are many, many gay players in the NFL right now beyond Carl Nassib, if he opens the floodgates and more people follow him down this path. Yeah, that's my hope and not because, you know, everyone, I just want everyone to be who they are and be who you love and you can still play football and you can still be a great player. So I think the Michael Sam thing, like you said, so long ago, was so long ago, even though it was only seven years.

And it's the personal aspect that Mark said. Like, if I check into a hotel with Jet, they're still asking. me do you want two full beds i have to come out essentially every single time i go somewhere and i am still scared even in a big city like la or a place like tybee island where it's georgia and it's like jet and i have to be like well we got we're with everyone we love but we got to be careful here and there's that that goes through my head every day and growing up it was like if my friends or family find out about this they will not love me i will not have anyone i will not have my friends i will lose everything so for him when he said i've been agonizing over this he literally is coming out to the

public to be like hey this is me i'm still going to play football knowing very well that there's a huge population that is essentially going to write him off and his career could be affected his livelihood his every single thing and it's so brave to me it is so brave for what he did and i hope that so many other players if they feel that way feel comfortable like it's about time it's like just let's all there's been so much progress i think especially in this last year around so many different issues and i think the world as crazy as it has it has been has also made so many steps in the right direction. It's interesting to me, and that's so well said, Ricky,

and your personal stories, I don't know, puts it into perspective. And I'm thinking about the football part of it just a little bit. It's sort of fitting he's on the Raiders. No, like, no one did more in terms of like an ownership level or a friendship level of like breaking barriers in terms of civil rights and players and coaches and black coaches and players and black quarterback like seeing them differently than Al Davis. So it is kind of cool to see Mark Davis and John Gruden, of course, with like a quick statement,

very supportive and everything. And it totally fits with the other side of like the Raiders image. Everyone thinks of them as kind of like the bad boys and all that. But they were pretty ahead of things in the 60s and 70s compared to the rest of the cult. Yep. And they handled that very well. They got out there right in front. of it. And good for the Raiders. Great for Carl Nassab. And the whole movement, Ricky. That's

awesome. Good times for Ricky. Found a woman she loves. She's having great times of their friends and Tybee. Yeah. Nassib. I sit on the cake, baby. All right. Good stuff. All right. Let's move on. Hey, another social news. the NFLPA, the union, and the NFL jointly agreed to a policy on COVID-19 protocols and the policy which applies to training camp and the preseason heavily restricts unvaccinated players while allowing vaccinated players

to return to near normalcy the way things were before coronavirus turn the world upside down. Cole Beasley, as we all know, is a successful wide receiver for the Buffalo Bills. He's also very outspoken in his feelings on the COVID vaccine, and he's not for it. So after speaking with the NFL and the union about the policy, which he believes to be unfair, he had this to say in what he called the public service announcement on social media, I will be outside doing what I do.

I'll be out in public. if you're scared of me, then steer clear or get vaccinated. I may die of COVID, but I'd rather die actually living. Marky also went on to say, I'm not going to take meds for a leg that isn't broken. And he goes on and on and on. This is a situation. We've been strong in our feelings on this podcast. We share our opinions.

That's what we do here. We are all pro-vaccine. That's why we're all together on Tybee Island because we're all vaccinated and having fun. Cole Beasley speaks for another segment of the population. That's bigger than I think people realize some people, depending where you are in the country. And it is an issue in the NFL because there is a schism here in locker rooms as we turn toward a season that they're trying to move away from COVID-19.

But this vaccine situation is causing some ripples. Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, for some of the more outspoken coaches like a Bruce Ariens, I think it puts them into a tough spot. and it is a carryover from last year being tough in a lot of spots where it is a personal choice. But this is a workplace and there are advantages to teams, especially in terms of just preparing for games, practicing, growing as a team. If everyone gets vaccinated, you don't have to continue to do the same rules as last year. I mean, the thing is, like, when it's all playing out on Twitter and stuff, for me personally,

I just sort of stay away from it because I made my own. decision and cole beasley can make his own decision too i don't i don't really agree with some of the way he's sort of framing this on terms of like i don't if you know i don't need to get surgery on my leg before something's wrong so this is this is essentially i mean what i view it as as a way to protect other people and to protect yourself um there are people that question vaccines in general we know that i wonder if cole beasley's um point here extends to all vaccines or if it's you know, suspicion around this one.

I really don't have a lot of energy to go flame him or destroy his decision, but it's complex. I think it's a problem for teams if you've got a big chunk of people doing this, and you've got reaction inside the locker room, probably almost a bigger reaction than Carl Nassab if this thing goes on.

But that's where I leave it for me. Well, the incentives to get vaccinated in the NFL now are huge. And we've seen as many camps were wrapping up, more and more players were getting them. The coaches were indicating that. The Steelers mentioned sort of like they had the league lead in vaccination rate. And Tomlin's really pushed it hard. And you get a lot of benefits if you can get over the 85% number.

And I think a lot of teams believe before camp and before the season, these guys are going to get vaccinated because of some of those incentives. You can't leave town during the buy week. You have to go to the facility every week, every day during your buy week instead of, instead of traveling, but for the ones that don't, you know, the thing that gets that I'm with you, Mark, I didn't have, I thought like I wanted to comment on Twitter or care about everyone dunking on them, like, what's the point? But I do, you know, and I'm feeling, I heard Beaumonti Jones say this. It's like, at what point can we be judgmental? So it's like these players who

play through torn ACLs and they're warriors of the game and we're going to do everything we possibly can to be there for our teammates and to win, you're making the choice. You're making the choice. choice, I might not be available when it matters. So that's ultimately what NFL players are going to do. Some players have, you know, gotten COVID lately, you know, Budabaker, uh, chasing on Jacksonville. They miss mini camps, this or that. But you're, you're just kind of deciding like, it's quite possible. I'm just going to like let my team down in a big spot. And that's part of I'm not saying like that that has to be your number one concern, but you're making that decision. I mean, I'm kind of amazed that Chris Paul, for instance, like isn't, isn't taking more. I actually think

people are being quite sensitive to everyone making their own decisions because it's like if you missed the conference championship for any other very easy reason that you could have avoided like people would kill them if people kill lou williams for going to get hot wings you know it's to me it's not it's not too different um major league baseball is a good um case to study on a parallel lane here uh because they have 30 teams in that league and 22 of the teams. And it's the same percentage that they ask you to hit to relax the protocols, 85%. And at the beginning of June, 22 of the 30s had hit that threshold. And then they checked in on it this week and it's still 22. And so that's stalled out. And I would not be

surprised of it. That turns into a similar percentage in the NFL because to what, and I don't agree on any level with Cole Beasley. But what he did also say, say was that there are a lot more people like me in the league than people realize and he's trying to give them a voice. So I think there are a lot of Cole Beasley types in the league that are not going to get the vaccine and it's going to make things not just more difficult for them, but their teammates beyond the chance of missing games and getting sick, all these restrictions that are going to be in place all season. How does that, as Mark said, how does that not potentially create issues in a locker room during a long season, which is a gauntlet with the

practices, the games, the rehabs, you finally get a buy week and you won't be able to even go home potentially. So they always say like the locker room is what they miss the most when they retire. And the, the two locker room experiences in 2021 are going to be very different for vaccinated, unvaccinated. I was thinking about that because some quarterbacks, you know, that seemed like Lamar, it's not just the ones that have gotten, you know, Lamar's express hesitancy, Sam Darnel, of course, there's been a few. It just, We'll see. I think it'll be a little bit of a different world in July when the training camp comes.

It may be, but I don't think it was just based around time frame. We'll see. Yeah. All right. In other news, Tom Brady, that's another name in this conversation. Buccaneers quarterback, Tom Brady appears on the new episode of the shop, colon, uninterrupted on HBO. I mean, in general with a show title, if you're going to put a colon in there, I mean, it's really got you know it better be there for a reason it's got to be there for a reason just call out the shop

or just call it uninterrupted you call it the shop colon uninterrupted they're trying they're trying to extend the lebron movie brand you're right it's bad it's not a great guy i understand i'm just making a statement myself it's no i maybe this one has ripples like cole beasley maybe it's a huge news story but that's how i feel get the colon's out of there i couldn't agree more with you by way it makes my head spin stuff like that and I don't care about the the corporate interests it does not roll off the tongue it stops you doesn't work anyway so brady was in the barbershop talking to lebron and the boys and uh he was asked about last a spring or last march when he was a free agent for the first time in this NFL career and he had this to say about one of unnamed NFL franchise

during his hunt for a new team one of the teams and they weren't interested at the very end I was thinking You're sticking with that mother. All right. So the question is, why didn't he just say the 49ers and Jim Garoppel? You think that, yeah, you think that's probably the number. I mean, Derrick Carr came to mind, but I think Derrickard and the Raiders popped in my head as well. But then I kind of started ticking off the teams. Mitch Trubisky.

The Bears had interest in Tom Brady, and they stuck with Mitch Trubisky. You know, everyone went hot on Jimmy. out of the gate on this. And, you know, Tennessee, they flirted a little bit with Tom Brady, and they stuck with Ryan Tannahill. And maybe if you're Tom Brady, you're thinking, what are you doing there? Although Tannahill has been good. I mean, Trubisky came to my mind.

The other one other than JVG that popped up in, yeah, you said Carr, but maybe you wouldn't use this word. But I think it's the one that was the most likely to happen or the closest was the Saints. You know, I think Sean Payton really wanted, I really looked into. Oh, we've heard, I mean, they looked into it and they were seeing if they could forcibly, like, they, they went into the last off season thinking, I believe that Drew Breeze was going to retire. And then it got, it got a little hairy. And Brady probably wouldn't have said that about. I don't think Brady would ever say that about Drew Reeves.

You remember after. The Saints, they wanted Patrick Williams. They didn't get him and they wanted Tom Brady and they didn't have the guts to do it. And you know, Saints fans are dying that they didn't when the Bucks end up winning the Super Bowl. I think Tom Brady has a lot of respect for Drew Breeze. I think he views him as an equal in a lot of ways or close to it. So I don't think he would even refer to him offhandedly or in a joking matter, even in the shop. Good point.

Good point. I don't think he would with Jimmy G either, though. Here's the thing. Well, here's the thing. Jimmy G was like a little brother in his own locker room. And he was the guy that was the source of a lot of drama in New England about, you know, potentially Belichick and Robert Kraft coming. to, not blows, but they had a disagreement about who they should go in with, that whole story, we don't need to go down that route. And then you have in San Francisco, this is why to me, it's

Jimmy G. San Francisco, if you think where they were last year, they're coming off the Super Bowl, even though they might have some misgivings about Jimmy G, it wasn't to me as clear that they needed to get better at the position. I think going into last season, you still felt like Jimmy G could be their guy long term. And I understand, Brady, I think could, you know, he always wanted to be drafted by the Niners. That's where he grew up. That just seems to me what it is, but, you know, it's fun. This is a good June story.

Here's the thing, though. It stops me. His, what he actual said, Tom Brady, how often does he, do you hear him drop F-bombs? I mean, he referred to the player as a mother F-bomb. That's how. Hey, he's in the shop, though, Mark. All right, I get it. Maybe it's a little loose.

The platform's a little different. And there were whispers that he and Jimmy G were not necessarily. the best of friends. And you painted the scenario of how that all ended. But I feel like you've got to look at what the type of player he's talking about. Jimmy G. had just been to the Super Bowl. He's being paid a ton of guaranteed money. The Bears couldn't pull this off. And at some point, word got back. We're comfortable with Mitch Trubisky. We're sticking with him. And Tom Brady has no relationship with Mitch Trubisky. He is probably thinking, what on earth are you doing, Chicago? No. Mark sold me. No, that's not right.

You know why? Because I don't think the bears were sold on Mitch Trubisky going into last season. They had gotten Nick Falls in the building. They knew they probably had messed up, but they were going to give him one more chance, and then they quickly benched him. I think they were, if they could have gotten Tom Brady, I think they would have went to that. How about this next level?

What if it was actually about Nick Foles, who he does not like what happened between him and Nick Foles on Super Bowl Sunday? That one I like a little bit more. What about Drew Locke up there in Denver? Because the Broncos thought they had themselves. a franchise QB. You guys thought they did. A lot of Broncos fans in my mentions thought they had a young franchise QB.

Jimmy G. Well, those Broncos fans of my mentions. Where are you guys? I don't remember what happened about that. I know, they're very down. I actually think like the roster is great and they don't want to, they don't want to hear that. Now that they've gotten too far.

The other way, I mean, Jimmy G famously only went to San Francisco because the 49ers called wanting Tom Brady and the Patriots called back being like, you want Jimmy G. Also, Jimmy G, a little bit hotter than Tom Brady. And I think that was on Brady's radar because, you know, that's eye of the polder stuff. I don't, you can't just say Jimmy G is hotter than Tom Brady. That's your, maybe you think he's hotter. We have a solid like 300 minutes of podcast content on this very topic in 2013, 14, 15, I think.

Ricky, how about this progress, even on this podcast, just openly like, who's hotter? Like, which dude is better looking, Tom Brady or Jimmy G? You, you're a big Patriots fan, where you come down on that? You know, I got to go Tom here. I do love the dark-haired, you know, Jimmy G. Look, but something about his jaw line to me, it's, it's TV, it's TV 12. Okay. I'm with you.

I think Jimmy G is a little too swarthy for my, for my liking. How much you plug in on, uh, Jimmy G's, uh, how about you plugging on those, uh, cheekbones? Cheapones are great, but, you know, I, I need, if I'm going to have a man, it's got be a man, you know, Tom Brady. All right, here we go. Ricky, you just come out of straight just now? What just happened there? I don't know. A lot's happening.

No, no, no. It's just like if I have to, you know, if I have to pay. Right, right. I don't know what, yeah. I understand where you're coming. Like, yeah, it wouldn't. I don't know what have to means. That feels sorted, but. That seems like a tough situation. All right, let's move on. All right. Rams coach, Sean McVeigh. I mean, it's a love affair there in Los Angeles with a new quarterback. And here's what McVeigh had to say about Matt Stafford, about to start his first season with the Rams after that long run with the Lions. Bro.

Who is he talking to? Bert. He's talking to Bert Breer. Yeah. Bro. Let me just, well, let me cite this correctly on SI.com. Bro, this dude's a bad M-Fer. Whatever people say about him, as good.

as it can be, he's even better than advertised. Sizzler. How about that? I mean, the hype train is rolling. Yeah, it is. It is. And I know that again, Sean McVeague keeps saying this isn't, you know, these aren't comments as a reflection of Jared Gough. But if you're Jared Gough reading this, this is sort of like getting into a new relationship listing everything that your last partner lacked. And you know, Ricky, I want to just play this one little thing. This is what reminded me of when I read the quote. Can we bring this up, Ricky? What does happen to you? That's how I feel about it.

Yeah, that moment, which was a truly strange moment in our society where Tom Cruise is, you know, on the Oprah couch talking about Katie Holmes, and he's out of his mind. He's just, he has fallen deeply in love. And coach, just do this all the time to some degree. Have I what? That's how you read that Tom Cruise movement? That's the first thing that I thought of was just that there's this level of zeal and fascination between these two.

And what Stafford's teammates have said about him in Detroit, it checks out. Like T.J. Hawkinson said he was basically the best player he's ever been around as a person. So I think there's a lot, there's a higher, like, emotional IQ going on with Stafford and the field stuff's all there. Russell McVey is in heaven. He, well, I, I thought this story's funny just because it's been like a plot line this year, is Sean McVeigh getting annoyed at reporters who like notice how happy he is. He's just like, everyone says I'm in a happier mood this season, and off season I am.

I think Sean McVeigh just kind of, that's how he is. It's the off season. He's blowing smoke about the quarter. I'm sure he is happy. And everyone's taking it as this funny story. I am intrigued, though, Mark, about your interpretation of the Tom Cruise moment, because I thought that was such a classic moment in the end because it was kind of like, hey, I'm Tom Cruise.

I am trying to be as human as possible. How do I convey that I actually am in love with this other human in the way that will convince the most people? And then he just like kind of went a little too big. Like the director needed to come in and be like, okay, let's take it down a notch here, Tom. That doesn't quite work for us. But it was like a live interview show.

and he had no idea what was happening. I'd love to hear Dan's take on this, too, but I think that there is a part of that, that now, was that marriage completely 100% authentic? I don't, I don't have to answer to that one, but he is nothing, if not ceremonial and built of like total internal fire, and he's going to, I think that is sort of is Tom Cruise,

because there's like, if you go look up Tom Cruise interviews, there's 20 or 30 where he loses his cool. Make, Big Bay's got a little cruise to him. like endless energy and optimism and a big force of personality. I think, first of all, I love Tom Cruise, the actor. I love about 14 of his movies at a high level. So let me say that. Secondly, with the Oprah interview, I think he called his crisis management team before the interview.

He's like, guys, we got to figure out how to make me human. What do I do? And then they gave me the advice. And then he went way too broad with it. Exactly. And then he had to call the crisis management team right back after the interview. He was like, guys, they all know I'm a f***ing maniac. What do I do?

How do we fix this? And the crisis management team was like, I'm anah, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to. And it was like that cartoon sound like the feet running. They ran away. I think his whole life has been a performance for like 35, 40 years. So it's hard to discern what is real or not. That's true. In other news, it's been about three.

three months since the allegations connected to Texans quarterback Deshaun Watson first went public. The Texans will report for training camp next month. The NFL has not made any decision as of yet on whether Deshaun Watson will be allowed to report to training camp or if he'll be put on leave. There are 22 active lawsuits pending against Watson connected to alleged. misconduct during numerous massage sessions, and Watson's attorney Rusty Hardin told KPRC TV in Houston that the NFL has not yet interviewed Watson regarding the allegations. This is interesting, Greg, to me, because this is a Mondo story. This is a top five quarterback in the NFL, and these allegations are big, and they're everywhere. And you,

would think the NFL, this is something that, and maybe there's something we don't know and they're kind of keeping things on the down low, but I don't know why Rusty Hardin wouldn't be honest about it. Why hasn't the NFL begun this process of figuring out what they're going to do with the Sean Watson? I think they're along the way, but this story to me is interesting that it's so far from being over. I guess in these situations, they've traditionally talked to the accused last so what you know talking to Watson i guess would be the last thing that they did um but this civil case has a while it doesn't seem like there's any settlement coming anytime soon and the fact they haven't talked to Watson indicates to me that the NFL's part of it

is is possibly even longer and so that's just the timeline of it all just feels like they're not close and they there there's no real expectation to think they will be close you know based on a football calendar based on training camp or based on week one or anything and it just feels like the most likely outcome in the short term is continued uncertainty for a while like that there just won't be an answer and they'll put them on some list or whatever they decide to do but that's it yeah commissioner's exempt list would be you know they created that you get paid when you're on that list. Yeah, there's different ways to do it.

So I'm not that interested in that, but it just doesn't even seem like it's close. It just doesn't seem like it's something that anyone should expect. Doesn't that feel like a half measure, by the way? Like, if you're going to take them off the field. It wouldn't be the fine. They would say it wouldn't be their final thing. You know, it's just a holding pattern. It just does it to me that I don't, that I don't know who, who's happy with that ending,

other than the NFL making this guy disappear for a while. Well, that's also training camp too. I think it's a good point, Dan, because I think. week one when he actually is getting paid real money. I mean, training camp, you're not getting paid money, really. You might be onto something. That's where the money aspect of it also really comes into play and the Texans are going to have their feelings about that.

And the NFL might too. And the battle might be brewing there too. I mean, it's complex. Wasn't it always, though, a long shot that a case like this was going to have a full, robust investigation completed by July just because training camp needs to start? No. You're right.

I thought there was a chance there might be a settlement and all that and then it'll move along but it doesn't seem like it. I mean he is yes he is denied wrongdoing in all these cases there is

so I just my whole point is if you just take him off the field because it's an ugly thing and then he misses a season you can understand from his perspective why he would be upset

that you're benching me in the middle of my prime I didn't according to him I didn't do it anything. But yes, there's a messiness to this. I guess the other way to look at it is you let him play as the legal process continues to play out and then maybe this gets settled down the line ahead of maybe next season. But I understand why that isn't necessarily the prunate way to go on this because these allegations are very serious. The other note, he also doesn't want to play

for the Texans. So there are like multiple thorny scenarios. I feel like that ship, right? That ship has to have sailed at least for 2021, right? I mean, he doesn't have any trade value right now, right? Right, but the Texans, I think, are also, I think that's, at this point, that's mutual, and it'd be shocking in any scenario, I think, if he ever put on their uniform again. Hmm. We'll see about that. That's, it's, wow, what a situation.

All right. In other news, blotter time, remember the college newspapers? Always the best part of any university or college. newspaper was the blotter you could see who got arrested for you know peeing in the quad right not even arrested you would just get like cited by campus police but your name ends up in the blotter on the on the newspaper happened to greg many times down in new orleans right he had a pretty uh you know hazy dark period down there Greg what was your non tall man found in diaper I spent the night in orleans parish prison I mean that wasn't in the in this campus newspaper that was um I kept my eyes open

One of my friends slept, I was impressed in a tank, you know, a room full of 30, 30 people. Anyway, this is not good news for the chiefs. Defense event, Frank Clark arrested Sunday night in Los Angeles for felony, a legal possession of a firearm. According to a police report, Clark had an oozy in a duffel bag in his SUV. I mean, what is he a bad guy in an 80s action movie? What do you got a oozy for? Listen, call me out of touch Or not connected to what's going on

with Frank Clark in his life. An Uzi? Well, do you guys know what Uzi is? It's the one. I mean, I do and I don't. The bad guys. I mean, he, it's the thing. The thing that's crazy, though, is since this story came out,

they were, they looked around and realized he had another gun arrest in March. So he said to. Come on, bro. And there's been a, yeah, it's, it's that time of season, you know, year where you just hope, um, where you don't want any of these players to, to pop up. But this was like the first week of the off season, basically, and this popped up for him. And then Zayvon Collins, other Cardinals had one too. But yeah, Clark having two charges, I don't know. I don't know if that's something the NFL like... So one thing is like, now, this could be just

nonsense. But his attorney says that the submachine gun is the property of Clark's bodyguard. But I'm with you, Dan. Like when I read this headline, Copsay NFL Star had Uzi and Lambo SUV. it's like people are living different lives that will never be written about us ever we will never be caught in a situation like that and i don't know what an uzi is um needed for at this point either but the uzi is only needed if you're going to the top of uh the nagatami tower or whatever uh in century city uh in die hard and you're trying to kill bruce willis so we don't need that in our in our car gun control take it off the list what else what other social issue we want to hit on before the end of today.

Big episode. Big episode. All right. And finally in the news. 39 seconds left. Manning loves it. Boris alone. Touchdown. New York.

I just, you know, whenever I could do that, to give Greg a little tweak. I like it. That's Eli Manning to Plaquesco Burris and Joe Buck with a very so-so call. Super Bowl 42. The undefeated Patriot season goes by the boards.

Eli Manning retired. a couple of years back after the 2019 season. Now the 40-year-old has rejoined the Giants, Gregi. He's back on the organization in a business operations and fan engagement role. He will also work on original content development, which includes a new lifestyle series that premieres, Greg, this fall. You don't have to wait until next year. Or is it going to be on, like, local New York TV? I think it'll be simulcast on all the major networks, I would assume, and all the major streaming platforms.

I mean, I find Eli Manning's Twitter and social and just like TV presence, you know, quite likable, quite endearing. I like him more than Peyton. He doesn't seem to be trying as hard. He is sneakily caught up as like the Manning that, you know, it would always drive West crazy because people would act like Peyton Manning was so funny because he was an athlete. But really, it was just like a low bar. Like Eli isn't trying this hard and I think he's clearing the bar. I like it. I don't have any

I support it I support you I you're all grown up I'm really I'm really taken by that I don't know Greg like how you'd like how many negative feelings could be stirred up by him taking a position with the team like thousands of players do the same sort of thing let's see if he's still doing a team

I've noticed him on Twitter and stuff he has a little funny comment you know he's no he's solid he's he's amiable I take through it again Mark before you just like rush us off as some you know little paycheck just to get him at the old timers day or whatever. It's mostly what it is. He is in a business operations and fan engagement role,

and he also will work on original content development, including a new lifestyle series that premieres this fall. This is not some hollow title. This is a guy that's going back to work. I don't doubt that. What is the lifestyle series? What does that mean? Well, that's the only thing to me that seems like it has legs. If the show takes off, but are you telling you think he's going to go spend like 15 hours a week with fans I don't think that's a huge portion of what is he doing with the lifestyle series see he's building up I'm sure a trailer is going to drop at some point this summer

okay we got to figure it out yeah bug in on it all right that's what's happening in the news do we want to touch on anything else no I'm taking off so I'll see you guys in the morning to Massachusetts for a week and a half so you're getting back on the eastern coast with me I like that I know

It's a short trip back here in L.A. So you guys will carry the load here for the show on. You're doing another podcast, right? I know you're doing a TV show on Friday. I don't know. Mark, I have to talk about it. But yeah, we have some conversations to have privately. Yep.

But we do the TV show is coming back on Friday with very special guest. And, yes, second runner up in the Tybee Hornhole Tournament, Colleen Wolf, filling in. So that's going to be a fun show. Are you going anywhere, Mark? Big weekend for Colleen and John. You know, they were stars on the island. Very nice performance. Very nice performance.

But that's there every weekend. You know, they got the two dogs. But otherwise, it's like, all right, where are we going to have fun this weekend? Now, what's the next fun thing we'll do? So, yeah, they're fine. Oh, what are we going to do for fun after that? Well, not the way it is here. You're in Jersey Shore with your family.

What are you talking? Well, there's a lot of responsibilities. you know, Greg, with the boys here. Yes, it's true. Many tasks. Tracking where Gonzo and Colleen were by the time that we left, I think a detox wouldn't be the worst thing to do for a couple days on some level in whatever form that would fit them. That's true.

Yeah, that would help. All right, good stuff. So, yes, I think we'll be back with another pod this week. The TV show is back on Friday. And thank you to everyone. And we're sorry we kind of had to keep it under our hat, the whole Tybee Island adventure. We would have loved to hang out with anybody that wanted to shoot. down there. I know if Wes was with us, he would have been totally fine with it, but we wanted

to keep it a little more intimate. And that's why we kind of didn't mention anything. But we went. We enjoyed it. We loved it. Now we're back. And we're going to enjoy the rest of the summer of 2021. And that's it for now. This is Dan Hansa signing off for Quiet Storm. The old boss and Ricky Hollywood. Behind the virtual glass. Until Thursday, either o'clock. Hey, everyone. Brooks. On Move the Six, we take you inside the game from breaking down college prospects and NFL rookies to evaluating team building philosophies, coaching trends, and how front offices

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