NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Underrated Entities with Omar Ruiz

Episode Date: March 11, 2020

A room filled with heroes - Gregg Rosenthal, Marc Sessler and Chris Wesseling are joined by NFL Network's Omar Ruiz to discuss all things news including the Titans trying to resigning Ryan Tannehill (06:20) and Marshal Yanda retiring. (13:47) The heroes put Omar on the hot seat (30:36) before talking about underrated entities entering free agency. (38:42)Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Mark Sessler, Chris Wessling, and for the first time ever, Omar Ruiz. That's some intense music to be introduced to. Wow, this is awesome. We just broke out that music just for you, Omar, like almost a thousand episodes in, and that music just for you. I feel like I should have walked in with that entrance. It was made for this moment. Should have been carried in.

Omar Ruiz, of course, a long time report. reporter at the NFL network. He is sitting in in the Dan Hanzas seat and, you know, potentially putting himself a little bit at risk here. The Wally Pip exchanges. No, no. I'm not saying Dan is putting himself at risk. You are because Dan is out sick today.

He's got the little C. You know, of course. The little C. Chris had the big C back in the day. And now we have the medium C, I guess, is out. What is that standing for? Coronavirus? I mean, he has a flea, undetected.

No, no, Dan has the little C, just a cold, the middle C. We don't know that. Yeah, exactly. We don't know that. We don't know what Dan has. It's not been detected. I'm not putting that out. What are you guys?

Supposed you guys texted them. You haven't heard back yet, right? There's a lot of missing fill-in-the-blank scenarios here with. There's some information that my wife would like to have that she has not gotten from Dan yet. I mean, his kids, his kids were sick. He said he had, he said he had strep throat, and, and that's unfortunate. it. But Keisha, to her credit, is concerned just in general about the, you know, how safe it is up here, emailed a shadowy league figure about it, and then, which ended up going to our producer, Ricky Hollywood, to wipe down all the microphones and the studio. Well, yeah, it was under my impression that the janitorial staff that the NFL employs was doing a little bit more than just emptying out the trash in here.

So, news alert, they were not. That's called due diligence by Lakeisha. Due diligence. Yeah, I mean, she's very pregnant. It all checks out. And Wes's face is like roughly four and a half feet from Dan's face like six, seven hours a week. But people need to calm down trying to put this on Dan. And full disclosure, I was just sick, but I went to the doctor yesterday.

It's not corona. It wasn't even the flu. It was some sort of lung inflammation or something. Nice. A new strain of virus being brought into the virus as we. But it's no longer contagious. The history of pneumonia and bronchitis. Friday show totally up in the air.

It's like I've got a cough, but hey, it's no big deal. Glad you guys had me on the show. Thanks, Omar. Whoever's in that chair is just coughing constant. We've got a fun show. We've got a lot of news. We're going to ask Omar Ruiz put him in the hot seat. I know Mark.

It does feel warm. Mark has some big time questions. I think we all do. I mean, our questions, we haven't had a chance to kind of quiz you with things we've always wanted to. ask you, and some of them are hotter than other items. Mark, remember that I believe early 1990s television show, Herman's Head? What?

Oh, that's even... It sounds familiar, but I was not a consistent viewer or ever. I want to know what's inside Omar's head. Oh, okay. Oh, yeah. We also are going to talk about some underrated, maybe overlooked players, GM's stories heading into free agency, jumping off the fact that Omar Ruiz, again, is here, one of the most underrated guys at NFL Network.

Oh, thank you. Now, at some point, you don't want to be underrated. It's like you just want everyone to recognize your greatest. You want to be rated. But I think it's fair to say that Omar is kind of a key figure here at the network. People love Omar. He does a great job. And he's underrated.

He can be a little overlooked, not as much anymore. Sure, because you're extremely versatile. And, you know, whether it was the old days and we'd be, you know, cranking out those stories and you'd be doing what Matt Money and Andrew were doing out the news desk inside, but then they can just shoot you out to San Francisco and you cover the Niners seamlessly. On a day's notice and take a red eye to Cleveland and be embedded with the Browns for a week. And I think that's one of my strengths is to go from Cleveland to Jacksonville to 49ers.

No drama, no drama, Omar. That's why I have noticed, though, because he's been with the NFL networks in 2012. The assignments, it's like the assignments are going up and up. When you see, like, who's covering one of the Super Bowl teams, like, Omar's getting those plum assignments now. So they're starting to recognize. Oh, so you may not notice this, but during things like the NFL talent summit, like you have leadership quality to come across,

and not everybody has those. So it's easy to see and it's appreciated. We are occasionally pinged by listeners for. My head is a pretty good. Well, I know, sometimes we get critiqued for being too nice to our guests to come on the show. So, you know, there's going to have to be, if we see a little crack, Chink of your armor. We're going to have to go after it, too.

Yeah, we were going to hit you hard about your days as a game day security guard. Oh, that'll be fun. Yeah. So just be ready for some tough questions. But in the meantime, Ricky, let's do some news. Jarrell, so you're a coach. Mike Brable calls you guys street rats. You guys always find a way to get it done.

That is the voice of Tiffany Blackman. We are just saying so long and farewell to another one of our coworkers. We've probably said nice things about over the years. Moving on to the MLS team in Charlotte, she announced today. So just congratulations. Tiffany Blackman, one of the good people here at the network. Yeah, one of the great people, always interacted well with my daughters and family at all the league events.

And as a matter of fact, she said that she wanted to come in our next family vacations. I opened up to her whenever she's ready, Tiffany. We just came back from one and she didn't take you up on it. Not that time, yeah, but she was in the middle of going to the NLS Charlotte. So whenever that thing gets up and running and... Came to Typing for our wedding? Yeah, she's a good friend of Lakeisha. She's...

We've had fun with Tiffany. She did a lot of covering of those Southeast teams, Charlotte, Atlanta, and Tennessee. The Bermuda Triangle, the teams nobody pays attention to outside of the Southern United States. Well, we're paying attention to the Titans right now. We're leading the news with it. We are talking Tennessee because Ryan, Tannahill, to me, could be the first decision that we get a feel of how all these quarterback decisions are going to be made around the league.

Ian Rappaport, our insider, reported today that the Titans are focused on resigning Ryan Tannahill. The tag deadline has been extended to Monday, just going to combine these two stories. We will find out if the Titans tag Ryan Tannahill by Monday. but in the meantime, they are reportedly focused on resigning Tannehill. Does this quiet your Tom Brady to the Titans' thoughts, Chris Wesley? Well, Rabshy said this is their priority. Their top priority is to bring Ryan Tannehill back.

So, yes, that does, by definition, quiet concerns that Tom Brady would be replacing him. And I think as much as we see Tom Brady connected to teams like the Titans and the 49ers, you have to kind of question whether he fits those offenses and what the plays they kind of run, play action, boot action, movement in the pocket. Does he fit those offenses like the quarterbacks who are already in place in those cities? I agree with that assessment, especially Ryan Tannahill wants to be there, the chemistry and the magic that they formulated once he was inserted into the lineup. That's something you can't necessarily replicate even as great as Tom Brady is.

If you were to go there just sort of out of a vacuum or in the line. the vacuum. Ryan Tannehill coming in reminded me a lot of the Case Keenham situation in Minnesota. They thought they could upgrade with Kirk Cousins. Hasn't necessarily worked out that way by getting a guy who seems to be an upgrade. So if they can build on that magic, that chemistry into the 2020s. Wow. Omar making himself an enemy of kissing Cousins corner. These guys love Kirk Cousins. I don't love Kirk Cousins. That is not representative of our feelings on that. I mean, he's an upgrade from Case Keenum. Let's come. I would say this for the, like a lot of this like, oh, you're a free agent. Everyone wants.

to match you with new landing spots and teams. And if I'm the Titans and I look at Tannahill or if I'm Ryan Tannahill or if I'm looking at Derek Henry or I'm Derek Henry, the best landing spot is right where you were last year because I just don't simply trust Ryan Tannahill suddenly going to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers or fill in the blank Team X.

Titans worked with these two guys for a reason. I would hate to see either one of them try to duplicate last year somewhere else. They're both risky somewhere else. And I know Ian's right. that he's their first priority. But to me, what does that mean is he their first priority at a certain price?

That's how I would assume that it is. But doesn't priority mean that they want to get it done? That's what priority means. Absolutely. They want to get it done. They could get it done if they wanted to just pay him $30 million a year. I'm sure it'd be done today.

So it's figuring out what the right price is. And is there a price that's, you know, too much, too rich for their blood where they start going in on Brady? To me, the tag deadline being changed to Monday probably affects the Titans more than any team. The Cowboys are in there too because I just think they kind of have to declare what they're doing. I would imagine they're going to use their tag on Derek Henry. And to me, that tells you, yeah, Ryan Tanna Hill, you're our priority.

But we at least are comfortable in the uncertainty of what's going to happen Monday and Tuesday that we have some other plans if we can't get you signed. I just don't understand, like, does Tannahill have any leverage to, to me, like, what other team is going to go after Ryan Tannahill? No one's attached to any team. Have you heard anything, Omar? I haven't heard anything with Tanna Hill as far as outside teams, but I think you saying Derek Henry being maybe the focus of that tag speaks to whoever at quarterback of the Titans is next year, it's going to be a run first team still. Derek Henry is still going to be, you know, the ball carrier, and he is the reason. And that offense for what he does to it is why it's so attractive, whether it's Ryan.

Tannahill, whether it's Tom Brady, Derek Henry being the centerpiece of that offense. Yeah, I think you can't discount the stats. Tannhill put up are just outrageous. I mean, who could use a 117 passer rating? Right. I mean, it's hard to overlook. But, Wes, do you agree that if he just went somewhere else,

like a team trying to just find a quarterback to plug in? I just, I like bringing the whole Titans thing back for another year. While we're on Tampa and Brady, the Tampa Bay Times is reporting just now, that the Bucks are all in, quote, on Tom Brady. Well, and we just did an NFL network hit where we talked about teams that are going to be over-celebrated if they do certain things in the off-season.

I brought up the Bucks because if you ever put Brady into Tampa Bay and they have their shiny new uniforms and everything else you got going on there, look out for the songs being sung about the Bucs. A nice young defense. And everyone makes the comparison. Phil Rivers has potentially a landing spot there in Florida with Bruce Ariens, the way Arians resurrected a late.

Carson Palmer career. Imagine what he could do with Tom Brady. It's a very different fit in terms of the offense that he plays in, but Ariens played with Manning. And the only thing I'd push back with you, Wes, on like if the Titans took Brady, I think any team that takes Brady, you're running the Tom Brady offense. I mean, you are just choosing. I don't think that, I think Derek Henry is the Titans often. Right. No, I get it. It'd be a huge risk for the Titans to change things. But wherever Tom Brady goes, you are going to change things and do things in a way that Tom Brady wants to do it, that suits

his skill set. Why would you do that with a 43-year-old quarterback? Because that's the best way to make him at his best. Why bring him in unless you're going to let him do what he does? What is his best now? I think picking out matchups before the snap. Right. I mean, what is his best

quality? How high is his ceiling right now? Can he lift your offense? Because he did not lift the Patriots offense. But wouldn't you say that part of Brady being wooed by another team and the discussions around that or that Brady's involvement and creation of the attack will be immense versus just taking someone

else's playback. That's all I'm saying. And with the Bucks, I think the upside would be a better than average starting NFL quarterback that limits mistakes and can kind of manage the game for lack of a I hate that phrase, but that's part of it. Well, especially with the Buccaneers and those

30 turnovers last year, I think they've emphasized ever since the season ended that this season would have been dramatically different had they prevented those turnover. So even just limiting those would be a huge victory for the Buccaneers in 2020 regardless. It's a very Bruce Ariens move. And then you talk about Tom Brady with Mike Evans and the weapons that they have there. It's a whole different ball game than what he was tempting to have lifted in New England this past. That would be fun. It would be a good spot for Stidham Corner to step up and step in. Of all the impressive things Tom Brady's done in

his career. One of the most impressive I've seen is the way people have handled his value this offseason. After what he did last year in that offense. I think it's fair, but I think he was, I think he was a mid-level starting quarterback last year. And it was about the same when they won the Super Bowl for stretches. And like for the bucks, for the Titans, that could have a lot of value. No 43-year-old quarterback has ever started a season. So who knows? Maybe it'll be a total bust. Uncharted territory. You know, who's not continuing his great career, unlike Tom Brady. Marshall Yonda has retired after 13 seasons.

Gonna be a Ring of Honor guy in Baltimore, they already have said, and could be a Hall of Fame type of guy in five years or more. Marshall Yonda, part of those Ravens teams that gave you nightmares, Mark Sessley. Gave me nightmares? I mean, yeah. You don't like the rap birds. No, I'm not.

No, I wanted to trade them in for an under-the-continent train system that would go to the island. And Yondo is kind of symbolic of their rugged ways this decade. That's what I'm saying. I'm not probably the first person on the planet that should be grading offensive guards as Hall of Fame entries. But I don't know what more you need to do in terms of consistency that he just been someone you can rely on every single year.

They weren't all his best seasons. But Yonda feels like HOF scenario candidate to me. Yeah, I'm surprised he's actually walking away with Lamar Jackson and Mark Ingram and everything that they accomplished last year in the running game. It seems like one of those offenses that an offensive lineman would love to perform in. Marshall Yonda kind of walking away, I think speaks more to the fact that he wants to be healthy and go out on his terms and maybe... And how brutal it is to play guard at the level, I think, that he was playing. He was easy choice for all decade for my list that I did about a month ago. And I'm sure he'll be on the one, the official one that they come out with.

probably with Zach Martin, I would imagine. There was, yeah, I think he'll probably be the favorite. I'm trying to think of who else could be in there. Yonda should get it. Joel Betonio has been very good, but on bad teams and off the radar largely. Probably not quite to the level. And not maybe for the whole decade. There was a good story.

Someone sent out, what was it, Kevin von Valkenberg is his name, yesterday of covering Yonda as a rookie. Chris McAllister once brought a taser into the locker room. And he put $500 down, and he said, like, whoever wants to tase themselves gets the 500. And then other players were like, yeah, yeah, yeah. And, like, started throwing a ton of money in there. And Yanda just, like, walked up there. Apparently, like, he grew up on farms and he knew that wasn't even, like, a police-grade taser that it would be no problem for him.

And he just, like, because he knew enough about tasers and just did it. And, like, everyone lost their mind. And then they were like, did he really do it? Did he really do it? And, like, he did it again just to prove him wrong. He said on the farm, they had electrical fences, and he was used to that, so. Get you a little locker room respect. We're going to do that on Friday's show.

Bringing the taser. I think Ricky would take a taser to the thigh or something. She would go for it. She would register the taser. If you could make a little money. If you can make a little money. Yeah. Take that one to the bank, Ricky.

20 bucks is 20 bucks, you know. Throw it down right here. 20 bucks is all it takes. 20. We have been following the. the Al Michaels, Monday night football, Tony Romo, all the speculation of who's going to be announcing where throughout the offseason. It's really Dan's Corner.

I feel bad even talking about it without him here. I really do. You know, I feel bad about it. Joe Tessitore and Booger McCormackard on his talk about. We've talked about that, too. It's unfortunate for those two. But, hey, we're just reporting the news. And the latest is Andrew Marshon of the New York Post says the NBC is saying no to an Al

Michael's getting traded to E. ESPN deal. So that solution, which seems fun, I guess will not happen. It just surprises me because of the Mike Tariko factor where it was such an easy transition to someone that has been kind of backbenched unnecessarily. In that article, there was one line that stood out to me because they mentioned Kurt Warner as someone in there in the mix if Manning didn't go, but that said internally ESPN is toyed with the idea of a booth with Steve Levy, Lewis Riddick, and Brian Greasy who did

the second Monday night game a year ago that's just if all this stuff falls apart and it looks like it's falling apart that could be a trio to look at they were good I like Lewis Riddick I don't love a three man booth I just think

I would pick just Louis Riddick just do you know it's like I think if you're asking people to do something they haven't done before and then it's three people I'm good with a little Levy and Riddick sorry Brian on our four person podcast that is the comment but where we go on

forever. Yeah, that's great. But I think with Al Michaels, I think he wants to see this NBC Super Bowl in L.A., his hometown, and I think that will be his swan song and the official baton will have been passed after that. So I think it's probably more his call than anything to turn that trade down. Yeah, that's true. Knowing that not this season Super Bowl, but the following will be on NBC, and he'll have it here in Los Angeles. What was ESPN putting on the table as trade bait?

I don't know. Like, why would, what's the incentive for NBC to even think about it? some of that taser cash. We'll give you 15 minutes of Stephen A. Smith and football night in America. Put him next to like... Florio? Yeah, Florio, and that would be fun, Tariko.

Things just go crazy. Did you say Stephen and Smith? Yeah. Oh, that's trying to think who are their most valuable assets right now. Stephen A. No. No. God, no.

I'm going to put that out there in the world, Greg. Saw Skip A. A. List at the mall, by the way. Did you see that? Wait, what? I think Stephen A. Smith was on some sort of Oscar coverage, right? Just try to maximize ABC, ESPN, trying to get as much, you know, for his buck as possible.

So we made more disingenuousness from TV reporters. You can talk about kind of like the Stephen A. Smith types of the world, Mark, because you became close friends with Skip Bayliss over the weekend. Well, no, I, you know, there's a mall that is being reconstructed, but there's a movie theater still active inside of it. So I went to said mall. I don't want to, you know, name the location. And as I was going up the escalator from the garage, Skip Bayliss and a woman,

I presume to be someone that he's, again, don't want to say, I assume it's his wife, I'm assuming, was going in the other direction. So did not have a long conversation, actually. That's Mrs. Bayless. It was Mrs. Bayless. B.A.E. And Mr. Was it more than a high and buy, or did you actually?

No, we didn't. I just like, it was one of those things as the person was passing by me, I like turned my head and realized that was Skip Bayless and, like, texted. this crowd. How about, um, what were you doing at the mall? What did you see? Seeing a movie. Oh, I missed that part.

Yeah. What movie? We'll not, will not. I will not, yeah, no, no, it was not. I will not announce what it was. Why? Because the last time I mentioned a movie that I went to, which was. Doesn't mean you're endorsing it.

Yeah, it was. I was, I was, I was just ripped to shred. People loved hustlers. Greg, you almost went to a movie by yourself last night. What, what one was that? I was going to go see, I didn't see it, but I will. portrait of a lady on fire a wonderful looking lesbian

romantic period piece. I'm looking forward to it. I've heard it's great. That's playing at the theater that I went to by the way. Is that what you saw? No, I saw a film actually called Greed which I thought was underwhelming.

Okay. Greed. Who's in it? Well, you know, I mean, we can... Okay, we don't need to... We don't need to bury it. You don't need to bury it. What else should we talk about here?

Let's talk about the new rules proposals. Do you guys look at that? They're going to be voting on at the owner's meetings, which is still scheduled to happen, by the way. The league says the draft remains in place, the owner's meeting, which is about 16 days away from us flying to Florida for remains in place. They could always change it, of course.

But assuming it happens and they go, it was a little shorter list I noticed of potential rules changes. this year. What jumped out to you, Mark? I thought the Eagles lobbying for different on-side kick scenarios that would allow a team to go for it on 4th and 15 stood out. From the 25-yard line, you could get the ball

on your own 25, 4th and 15 in a way to try to keep possession of the ball instead of doing an on-side kick. I love this rule. I love it, too, because the on-side kick seems like it's become unmanageable in terms of being a reality at the end of games to flip possession. I love that rule, too. And we saw in the Pro Bowl. And I remember leading up to the Pro Bowl, Pete Carroll said, hey, if we get a chance to use it,

we will. And in fact, they did. They scored a late touchdown. They're still within one possession to try to get back in the game. And Pete Carroll goes for it, fourth and 15 from their own 25. And who interrupts the play? Earl Thomas gets the interception for the ultimate bird back at Pete Carroll in that play. Is anything the ultimate burn in the Pro Bowl, though?

No, the Bird. Oh, Bird. Oh, look at you. Were you covering the Pro Bowl? I was at the Pro Bowl. I mean, you're covering everything. And what a surreal day. I mean, just to talk with Kobe Bryant dying, you know, like five minutes before, you know, that all happened.

What was that, did you, what was the reaction from the players and everything in terms of your day there? It was, well, first, I looked at my phone. You think it's not real. I have some buddies at TMZ texted them. They said it was. so as everybody in the stands is discovering looking on their phones you see them distracted not looking at the introductions anymore that all unfolds and I start talking to the players and they all had heard and and in the locker room before you know they're describing just the air and the energy being sucked out of them because they were having their locker room speeches let's go out and do it and then that word creeps in right at the last minute I think Pete Carroll gathered the NFC team around and said let's go do it for Kobe and all that and players were willing to to talk to me during the game on camera. We couldn't air it because ESPN had the rights to the game

until they were offline, but the fact that they were so eager to talk and get their feelings out during the game, the actual Pro Bowl, I think, spoke volumes to how they felt about Kobe, and their words did that as well. I'd want to know how it affected their on-field performance. I don't know if the Pro Bowl is the perfect gauge

of how it affected their on-field performance versus, you know, prior to the AFC championship or something. I do like they got to try out that, that rule because that, we haven't seen a rule change like that in football that I can think of that's that creative and just changing the dynamics of how you think about possession in a long, long time. Like, why not try that out for a year? West seems a little skeptical. No, I love, oh, you like it. I love any rule changes that do not involve replay review. Okay, well, so there are some, there are some replay review changes. One, you know, one proposal was saying to include scoring

plays and turnovers that were negated by a penalty. Basically, just make it more available for automatic replay reviews so that you don't have to waste the challenge if a touchdown is taken away from penalty. I'd be fine with that or successful or unsuccessful attempt. We don't know for sure if they're bringing back replay at all. And they, you know, the Ravens and the Chargers both wanted to add the booth umpire as an official eighth game official and then maybe add the technology advisor and the there's a lot going on here here's one that got on my radar yes i don't know if the eagles are just trying to as they say

sort of punk the rest of the league and all of us discussing this but the eagles want to restore the preseason overtime period to 15 minutes what well and the regular season too yeah regular season oh i just saw okay so that helps i saw preseason and i thought why on god's green earth are we trying to extend preseason games that go into a fifth frame. It is an interesting move by the Eagles. We're into it. We've done this overtime for a while, and now they're just saying,

let's go back. Well, I agree with it. Regular season I kind of get a little bit. I don't. I like the 10-minute thing. I don't like the 10-minute, you know, because I think you get the one possession. If it takes six minutes,

now you have the other possession. That's fine. And then that's it. That's fine. But, you know, if nobody scores in that first position, nobody scores in that second possession, there's not really enough to get a third possession to actually win the game.

And then you have, you know, all these coaches asked, you know, are you trying to win? Are you not trying to win? Or you're just trying to play for the tie? But you have other ones where they have like five possessions. And no one scores. And it's like... It seems like it's largely been non-con... It's worked out without a lot of controversy.

Yeah, 70 minutes is too... That's too long to be playing football. You know? What's 75? Says the guy on the sideline. Finally, the Patriots lead the way... I don't know if we have to talk too much about this. With compensatory picks.

They had four of them. including they were the only team with two third round picks in compensatory announcements. Trent Brown, I believe, was one of the ones they picked up for. The Ravens have traditionally kicked everyone's butt in compensatory picks because they figured out the formula a long time ago, and they have said it's like they guard that secret like it's Coke's formula, but it factors in salary, playing time, postseason honors, and whether the team has lost more free agents than they've signed. Right.

Yeah, and mostly in terms of like the ledger of who you sign, who you don't, that kind of decides how many picks and then, yeah, how well they played or how much they did decides where the picks are. And the Patriots are, like the Ravens are a team, I think the Patriots have the second or third most, you know, ever. Packers are the first. And the Patriots, they wait until the day after they're no longer included in the formula and then they sign some free agents.

It's because I always thought, oh, it just seems like the Ravens constantly have, like, endless, you know, high third, fourth, brown compics, which is, you know, as a Browns fan utterly. Because you look at some of these compics, Dak Prescott came through a compick, Mike Daniels, Kyle Use Jack, guys like Aaron Jones, James Connor, our guy, Bergo, Jeremy Bergman put together a top 10, like, players that were pulled through compics. And there's a pretty amazing list. The Ravens since 2011 have had 20. Since 2011, the Packers, I think we're next, was 17. New England, 10. But then you look at teams like the Bears and Jags. They've had one each since 2011, which tells me you're not... That's 20 players.

I saw a different list that went back even further, and I think the Ravens had 53, and the Saints were the bottom with 10. I mean, that's 40 players they got an extra swing at. They signed Mark Ingram and Earl Thomas and still got a third in a fourth rounder compensatory picks. That's how good the Ravens are at this. of that equation. Yeah, 52 since 94.

But that also speaks... And too's for the Patriots. They need some young players. Those are two kind of late, very late third round pitch. Does that speak a lot to developing and drafting and letting the guys walk? It's kind of the system. It's almost like you have too much talent. Like you have to let guys go and you're, and they're good.

They're good players. Yeah, they're good. I mean, what are you saying if you, what's the sell for the bears and the Jags to have one? You've not done that. You've not done a good job. You know, you know who has done a good job. Omar Ruiz. We're into Omar.

Ask Omar section. All right. You know? Yeah. That's it for the news. I mean, he's been here since 2012. His bio, I don't know if this is a La Raville Magnifico, but it's rather long, Omar. And we know you probably wrote that yourself.

I mean, that thing is, it's about 400 words. Well, they asked me, well, they asked me, like, when I first got here, that didn't go up until 2018. I've been here from 2012. I had written like four before, and it just never got on the website for whatever reason. And maybe they had, you know, quick plans with me early on. But if I was going to take the time, you know when I wrote that, I was on jury duty. So I was bored in the main room. Perfect time to dig into a project.

So I just, you know, started banging away at this bio and, you know, a couple drafts later. There it is. You've hosted NHL tonight on NHL Network. You've been a play-by-play announcer for some Olympic sports, including UCLA's men's water pole. you made your way through the ranks covering a number of sports and now you're here mostly as kind of a team reporter

traveling the land. Going all over the country and like I said I think the value that I bring is they can kind of put me in anywhere and you know do a... And so that's all been easy and good but now it comes the hard time.

We have five minutes. Who knows if we'll actually go past. Oh, he's actually having a clock. We have a clock. Oh yeah, rapid fire and if we have a... Q&A. We are going to start the clock and then questions are coming at you fast.

You've got to answer them fast. And who knows? This might be... It's supposed to be a... I'm looking for some depth here. Okay. Well, depth and speed. Whatever.

There's no rules on this podcast. And we are going to start right now. People in L.A. keep score. More than any other city I've ever been around. Houses, cars, neighborhood, airtime, agents, social media following. My score card is happiness. That's the only thing on there. happiness and you rank very high on my scorecard your children are some of the most delightful

children i've ever seen they're almost like many adults they are and i've noticed that you and your wife don't speak to them like children you speak to them as if they're actual adults and you reason with them and you logic with them tell me the secret to how great your children well i think from from an early age uh i adopted that philosophy and so when we spoke to them even when the kids were one year old, a year and a half and not necessarily engaging in this conversation yet, we would speak to them at the mall in a way that they could understand and hear all of our words and they could listen to all of that in a way that, and I removed any embarrassment that I would feel talking like that in public.

And so then... Wes has taken notes here, a father to be. I think they absorbed all of that a lot better and maybe a lot faster than their peers where, you know, You kind of just quiet them up at the story. You don't want them to make a scene. Well, we just sort of encourage them to be themselves. We were ourselves, albeit in a loud version, and, you know, kind of talking like this again

so they could understand better and maybe develop their vocabulary and speaking skills. They are delightful. Good dad, Sash, right there. Oh, thanks. I've got one for you. I like this music, by the way, Ricky.

You seem like a class act from what I'm hearing here. But what percentage, and I want a number here, What percentage of NFL wags, a.k.a. wives and girlfriends, should trust their NFL playing husbands. I want a number between zero and one hundred. 65. Two-thirds. Their number. It seems about right. Most of the guys in the NFL are good dudes. I know that you're a good dude. So you're not going to tell us who the 35% are.

You know things. You know things. 65. Tell us something you saw as a security guard at Candlestick Park. My favorite memory is Joe Montana Retirement Night They're retiring his jersey, number 16 Huey Lewis is singing the national anthem It's the Broncos, it's the 49ers They're both, you know, right around the top seeds in 1997

In the AFC and NFC respectively The Broncos would go on to win the Super Bowl that year And I'm the guy that is escorting the cameras As Joe Montana is walking onto the field So I'm making sure that, that they keep moving, because they're walking backwards, of course, as we're going on to the field at Candlestick, making sure they don't trip on themselves, they don't trip on the cables and everything. And just to have that kind of bird's eye view as Joe Montana walks on the field to get his jersey re-towed.

It was also the game where it was Brent Jones's final game as a 49er there at Cannell. You've got to get out of there if Montana's getting out of it. And it was also the game that Jerry Rice returned. If you remember at that season, week one, Warren Sapp tackles him on that reverse and, you know, tears his ACL. It was his first game back. It was Monday night football, so it was everything back when Al Michaels was a Monday night football. That inspired you to take the career path you took? Yeah, I mean, not necessarily that night, but just being there on the sideline, talking to different people, you know, I would, you know, chat up, you know, Jim Mora at the time when younger Jim Mora was on the 49er staff and he was not coaching that, that particular year and, you know, having a discussion on, you know, team building and all that, you know, just random stuff like that that was just so cool, I thought.

And, you know, how cool would it be to be on the sidelines and get paid for it? So I kind of honed in my focus. Choose your idiom for the English language. Better phrase, beyond the pale or various stages of undress. Beyond the pale? I would say, beyond the pale? You're choosing that. Yeah, I mean, either is not my wheelhouse.

But for the sake of this show and keeping it moving, I'll say that. Maybe I'm the only one who finds those phrases interesting. Those are great phrases. I love them. Why did you, you know, the last time I saw you, you in person, I believe, was at around 4-something in the morning at a Waffle House. Whoa. You came with us and you ordered a

very healthy, balanced meal, and then suddenly you were gone. What happened to you? That was a great chapter of the night that you... You weren't teaching your daughter's life lessons at 4.50, were you? I always say I have the advantage coming from the West Coast of going to Indianapolis and hanging with everybody and having these

great conversations late into the night because our body is three hours ahead. So, anyway, I wanted to hang out with Mark and Colleen and one of the coaching friends that we had met. And Dan was there as well. And I was so hungry. You know, I'm a Catholic. It was the day after Ash Wednesday. So I had fasted all day Wednesday. And I was so looking forward to once the clock struck midnight, having that huge meal late night, early Thursday morning. So technically I was off the hook and now I could eat whatever I want. Steak and shake was freaking closed. So we had to drive out seemingly to

Iowa to go to Waffle House. Ages away. I know. And we get there. And I just put the cook up against the clock. I said, hey, I have a 615 flight. It is 415. Here is my order. If it's ready, I'll eat it. If it's not, I'm gone. It wasn't ready.

I took off. You left. And I made my flight. That was the priority. The coach we were with, by the way, offered some explosive information that cannot be shared on the show. After I left? Oh, yes.

Oh. Do you have any good insidery stuff you want to let out from Indianapolis? I did have a good conversation with Fred Kitchens. And, you know, after, you know, he really hasn't gone public, you know, with his side of the story since he got fired. And I think the main takeaway from that conversation was he felt he wasn't necessarily supported by ownership to implement a lot of the discipline that he wanted instill. We saw glimpses of that when they had hard knocks. And remember, he was one of vocal proponents of instilling a little more discipline trying to make that team tougher. He tried to do some things that he felt he was overruled by ownership.

he thought that he had a good conversation with Jimmy Haslam going into week 17 that he was going to have a chance to build on on things that they had gotten done there in 2019 as disappointing as it was and the bottom line that he took away from that was they've been there since 2012 talking about ownership and they've had 21 wins and he had a big hand in 13 of them so as disappointing as that year was as much of a lack of support that he felt he had in that situation they won a lot of games a lot more than they had. I mean, he's now on a text thread with like 15 other Browns coaches

that feel just the same way that he does. So, you know. I can imagine. Best California Beach for volleyball. Ooh. Ooh. Well, Manhattan Beach is the... You're a beach volleyball player. Avidly so. That's kind of my one hobby that I have carte blanche to...

How's the beach bod looking? Not right now. It's more of a dad bod. You know, but it's funny because I work all offseason. Inevitably, I gain 15 to 20 pounds every season. Just being on the road, eating out all the time. lack of exercise, especially as a year wears on, because I get tired come week nine, week 10, just kind of like we all do. But being on the road, it's Thanksgiving, and then two weeks after that, it's my birthday,

and then it's Christmas, and then it's New Year's, and then it's the playoff, Super Bowl, Pro Bowl, whatever, that whole drive. So again, all that weight, and then I work all off season to take it off, and I do, and then it's called the Mangini cycle. And then you get back in his training camp, and then away we go. So I get into the best shape of my life every year. So whenever you guys have all those tropes and you guys have that fun discussion about, like, best shape of my life that we hear from the players, I'm saying the same guy. Well, this podcast right now has something called hashtag bodquest, which Dan was a large part of.

He's been failed at the moment, but he is looking to improve his body as are the rest of us. You're welcome to join. Oh, thank you. I will. Hashtag bad quest. So anything that you do, hashtag it, and we let, you know, people come out of the woodwork and see where you're at. All right. I'm down for that.

And that's it. You're off the scene. Ah, yeah. I survive. I don't know. Great job. It was really not that. That was fun.

I did want to find out, you know, how you elbow out other people for these good assignments. I feel like of all the reporters, Omar is kind of the one who's really just stabbing people in the back, you know. Maybe it's the nice guy persona that. I only can say that because you're the last person, anyone ever. I always wanted to be on who wants to be a millionaire. I think by probably even auditioned and having that music, you know, and those questions. I felt, you know, maybe as close as I could get to Regis. Minus the prize money.

Minus the prize money. Yeah, you don't get anything. You can be on the next segment, though. I mean, that's like your prize. There you go. You can join us as we discuss. I feel like we've discussed it all with free agency. We're waiting for this clock to just turn on.

And it's been an extra week this year in terms of the buildup to free agency. Plus, everything's been on hold because of the CBA. I think stuff, like, things are going to get crazy starting Sunday. Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday are going to be the busiest days of the off season. We'll have podcasts. We have a web show that will be on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday next week, too. We'll give you info on that. But we've talked about almost everyone, it feels like.

But what are some people, maybe we haven't? Just like underrated, overlooked, Ruisian-type figures entering free agency. It could be players, it could be GMs, people that haven't gotten a lot of attention that could be factors. Well, I would say, well, from the GM standpoint, I want to see how Dave Caldwell navigates that salary cap, you know, hell that they seem to be in right now, given the fact that he has autonomy once again with Coach Coughlin gone and kind of everything that he loomed in that organization. Hasn't gotten that well when he did have autonomy. Yeah, and that's right. And he's still around. And I think that's the sort of point to it.

This is, I'm sure, his last chance to kind of resurrect whatever hope he might have down the road. I don't know. I'm never sure. He's stuck around here. They've had one season over six wins while he's been there, and he's still there. Still there, yeah. So, I mean, I think, you know, seeing how he navigates this, you know, will be interesting. Jaguars are interesting in general.

Like, what are they going to do? Because they cannot rebuild. It's not like they're rebuilding, but they're going to be very active. And then I think from a player's perspective, I want to see, like, Blake Martinez, Joe Schobert, how the middle linebackers do this time around. Because remember, I think there was a couple years where it seemed like the linebacker position was getting devalued, and then C.J. Mosley comes along last year

and kind of resets the market, and then Bobby Wagner surpasses that even. Will they have a trickle-down effect? I don't think any of those guys this year are as good as those guys, but how does the market, you know, conform to the numbers that were reset last year? You know, are they beneficiaries of that being in that maybe second tier? And Martinez was second only to Bobby Wagner

and tackles this year. So I think he kind of emerged there in Green Bay, and Schobert's been a playmaker, you know, for a number of years. It gave me pause. The Browns did not show any interest in resigning Schobert at what apparently his requested money-wise. I don't know if there's any middle linebacker out there that's going to get paid big money.

I don't think those two guys will. We talked about Christian Kirksey, who's maybe a little bit more of an off-ball guy. My guy, Nick Quietkowski. Quiet Kowski. We put Kierksi at the very bottom of our top 101, We did not put Rashad Jones on our top 101 who was cut by the Dolphins. A 32-year-old box safety?

Right. He's had a great career, but he's not going to make it. Jonathan Joseph also learned we learned today. He'll hit free agency. But there's a lot of depth, but not a lot of big names at middle lineback. Who do you got for an underrated, Wes? We've been trained over the last, I think, half decade or so to devalue nose tackles in today's NFL. And I think J. Vaughan Hardgrave and DJ Reader are going to get paid.

I think Hardgrave is a guy especially who came into the league as a guy like the quintessential anchor guy. You're not moving him. And over the last couple of years, he's developed into a pass rush or two. And Mike Tomlin will tell you, do not think this guy is a one-dimensional run stuffer. He's getting after quarterbacks. And I think Hardgrave is a guy who's going to get a lot of interest. I like Reader. Reader, too.

It seems like he might already be headed to the Broncos. I don't know. Like that was my first thing, Hargrave Reader. I mean, we just like those big uglies up tough up front. Well, Reader's a guy, too, who was a run stuffer, and he's gotten better at pass rushing, and he has J.J. Watson, Dorsman, is the best noseguard in the league. Hargrave was awesome last year.

You can put him on a two-man line or a three-man line. I will not forget his run in the playoffs when they made the AFC championship and got blown out against the Patriots. He was their best defensive linemen. Granted, it's a small sample. At the end of that season, there were some injuries there. he also gave the Patriots all sorts of problems in that game.

Didn't matter. Your nose tackles only going to do so much when your secondary is letting people wide open. But he, on a pretty talented defense, Javon Hargrave was a guy who was kind of standing out the most. And then he really built on it. His best season was a year ago. It's really an awesome.

Where are those guys on your 101 list? They are right around 30. Hargrave is 30. And DJ Reeder is 28. In hindsight, I wish I put Hargrave even, even a little higher than that. Adam high. I think Wes had him higher.

I might have made that mistake, but I like them both. Reader, a little bit more of just like a run stuffer, but he can do, he can rush the passer too. There's a million good defensive linemen. It's like the only position where there's a lot of good players.

Well, you could say Robert Quinn and Jason Pierre Paul qualify for this. If we're talking about what they did last year, and the way they looked compared to two or three years ago, they both looked quicker, more explosive. Quinn was getting to the backfield all the time, and JPP was getting multiple quarterback hits every game. I'd throw in Evertson Griffin.

If he actually becomes a free agent, the Vikings seem confident that they'll be able to resign him, but he is a free agent, and he's another guy. I don't know what it is. I guess it's just all athletes age better than they used to, but especially it seems like some of the linemen used to fall apart in terms of their bodies a little faster, but now you're seeing a lot of left tackles playing until they're late 30s.

And you're seeing these pass rushers who are 32, 33 years old. And like Everson Griffin got it done last year. Well, we don't have the league where like the guy in the middle of the defensive line weighs 380 pounds and has like five beer bellies. I mean, these guys are just, right, they're like, they're treating their body. No one's working as like an accountant in the off season or like an actual Green Bay Packer. I'll give you one that I want to see it before I believe it. But you talk, you mentioned for the last day. decade or whatever, we've done X, Y, and Z.

I've completely looked beyond this front office year after year in free agency because their mantra is essentially go into deep slumber whenever players are available on the open market. We'll do nothing but just build our own roster, blah, blah, blah. I think that the Bengals, you hear whispers this time around with Duke Tobin, but to Mike Brown has to sign off and all this. And he's been the issue, I think, in terms of growing your roster the way that 98% of the rest of the league does, if it's true that they're going to be active for the first time,

and you're going to have Joe Burrow a quarterback. The Bengals, to me, you know, they've got Capram. They are an interesting team going into next season, but the first step is a front office that we just assume we'll do nothing doing the opposite for once. And that doesn't mean go sign one left guard. They have issues on their offensive line. They have to be aggressive like some of these other teams.

They have issues in other places, too. These linebackers, we mentioned, the Bengals are a team that is desperately in need of linebackers. That would be fast. I would love to see it. I'd love to see a competitive Browns, I mean a Bengals team. Not to mention the Browns. It reminds me of an overlooked, underrated story, which came up this week in my own household

in terms of my children asking, they were asking for the origins of different team names. I don't know why it came up, but I was explaining some team name why they were named that. And then they started, my Walker kept asking, why are teams names certain things? and they asked about the Browns. And I tried to explain it to him. And I just thought, you know, it's a little underrated that people just don't talk about

that the freaking Browns are named after the Bengals owner. I mean, like, your whole life is the owner of the Browns and it's the Bengals owner. I mean, that just seems so terrible. You can argue that ex-Browns owner Art Modell created half of the AFC North because what he did with,

Paul Brown created the Bengals and then what he did with the Ravens created the Ravens. So that's half. But there was another anecdote out there that the Brown's name is not, it married well with Paul Brown but that it was a fan contest

where someone essentially called them he was named after Joe Lewis, the Brown bummed boxer. I looked into this. This is what Paul Brown said for most of his life. But then later he's deflecting. Later in life he admitted multiple times.

I had to look it up because I wanted to give Walker my son the straight shirt. The people of Paul Brown biographies, they're named after Paul Brown. Yeah. Right. And he admitted later in life, yeah, it's after me. I think it's cool that Jim Brown, arguably the greatest player in NFL history, named Brown, played for the Brown. I mean, that seems like if Orlando Brown.

If you're going to have a cursed franchise, though, you're going to have that you're named after a guy who owns one of your rivals. Now, in fairness, the Bengals have been, you know, as cursed or worse. So maybe something with that family. The state of Ohio needs to finally have a football team worth the state of Ohio. I mean, you've got the Hall of Fame there? not doing it justice. What else we got for underrated, overlooked characters and free agency? I was going to say the women of NFL Network.

Whoa. Oh. We have some dynamic, exceptional women, you know, familiar with Ricky, of course, and Colleen Wolf from this podcast. But Jane Slater has broke more cowboy stories than anybody else I've seen from this network who worked on the Cowboys beat before that. Stacey Dales is phenomenal and one of the great college basketball players we've ever seen.

An Olympian. Yes. When I talk about like what we see at the talent summit, it's like I always, I'm so impressed by the women in this company that they, they are go-getters, they're confident, and they get things done. Hey, every day is International Women's Day for Wes here. This is great. Well, I work with Jane at the Pro Bowl and just to kind of see her work on a daily basis

and her connectivity with the Cowboys. It was surreal experience, how dialed in she is and kind of what kind of juice she has there in Dallas. She really is the kind of queen of the, of, uh, the kind of. Good crew. Good crew. Cowboys coverage, yeah. So I'm going to go a couple overlooked position groups quickly. Safety. A lot of safeties. Not just Justin Simmons. Von Bell, Anthony Harris, Devin McCordy. Ha-ha Clinton Dix is pretty solid player. Rodney McLeod. You go up and a Carl Joseph is out there.

If you need a safety, there's actually a decent amount of available. And then running backs, it's not a deep class of running back. But I just feel like no one even talks about running backs anymore. And to me, Melvin Gordon would be a nice addition to. a team at the right price. Like if the bills added Melvin Gordon to Devon Singletary, and that's a one-two combo? Like I was trying to think, what are the bills going to do? Because I think they're going to do something.

I think they're going to want to add a running back. Kenyon Drake is out there too and is interesting. The Texans are a team that are probably looking for a running back. But Gordon's a good play. When he's rolling, especially if you have someone with them, I think he'd be a good... I think last year also probably, to an over-extended degree,

gives you a bad taste when it comes to Melvin Gordon. It was the whole out. He comes back and then the whole offense is not as effective with him in there. But you forget when he's good, he's been awesome. I would say with Kenyon Drake, Steve Kime and the Cardinals too, because you're in year two of Cliff Kingsbury and they don't have a ton of cap room, but they have enough to make, you know, get closer to completing the offensive roster that Kingsbury would want. I think at wide receiver, we mentioned this on our last show, that there are, you know, you're rolling out four wide outs sets, snap after snap, but you don't have four proven wideouts and you're

going to hit it in the draft, but you're also going to hit it in free agency. So I think they're going to be active because they can't float into next September with an unfinished offense the way they did last time. And I think speaking about the Cardinals, that they're one of those sneaky teams that there's buzz going about them as being a destination, you know, that people, that players want to be at. And I think Kyler Murray's presence obviously speaks volumes of that. And Cliff Kingsbury implementing the system in year two and what potential takeoff that could have. These guys talk to each other, all these players. So that, that matters. Maybe like the heat there could just help wipe out the coronavirus.

You know what I mean? It's just like it's so hot there that that would be not a place. It's a side benefit. Don't check. Don't check the science on this. Anyone want to throw one else out as we wrap this up here? We good? Anyone you want to get out there?

I feel good. I thought Market was just like. I have others, but I think we've discussed some of these. I had the bills and the bucks as guys that, you know, but it sounds like the bucks are no longer underrated. They're becoming. centerpiece potentially if this Brady stuff happens. I like the Seahawks.

We talked a little bit about Russell Wilson expressing himself that they need more superstars on that roster and if they acquiesce. How about your goatee? I think that's been one of the storylines of the offseason. Got a lot of positive feedback in Indianapolis, so I kept it and my wife loves it, so it's kind of win-win all the way around.

You've not had a go-tee at any point? Because it just looks natural on you. Some men, they've hit on the facial hair and it's just like, oh, that's always been it. you with this before. I've had it. I weren't to indie last year, but I didn't go on TV with it. Okay. So essentially it lasts post-Super Bowl. We go on the family vacation. I shave it down once and I keep it maybe for a few days. But this has lasted. Now the public is. This is two or three shaves in now. It's filled in quite nice. Wow. It looks great. And I keep saying when we hit

Free Agency Frenzy next week, it's going to be gone. But why? No, I think keep it. You're such a nice guy, but it gives you a little, yeah, it gives you a little bit of menace, which I don't think is a bad. You got the dad, you know, you're not, you're not, you're not, you're, a hoi mate. Yeah, you said you're, you're not in peak beach volleyball shape. So this, this kind of makes, this gives you a little more men. This is a Lakeisha theory. Some men need facial hair for seasoning in flavor. You're not one of those men, but it works naturally on. No, I've been told that I need it for seasoning in. Oh, wow. What other men do you guys, what other men does she need facial hair on, just if she's going to look across the board here.

She was my first and biggest supporter of my beard when I had it. So, you know, I did a preview. Maybe you fall under that category too. You guys, you guys have a lot in common. Wes is expecting his first in May. Omar just days away in terms of expectation, your third daughter. Days away from his due date. Yeah, in terms of due date.

So who knows, might land on the same day your third child. Mark and I still sitting on two. I don't think we're moving off that. Yeah, there's not a huge push in our household to expand the roster. All right. Well, I mean, Omar. The factory had been closed in my household. And then it was opened up.

I'm happy for you. A third, go, keep going. Yeah, all right. Before this goes, any more off the rails. Omar, if Dan was here, he would say that you said it all. You did it all. Oh, cool. Well, thanks.

And it was awesome to be here. You know, I've been big fans you guys for a number of years. You'll be back. I appreciate you guys having me on. It was fun. It was great having Omar. We will be back on Friday. And who knows what we're going to come up with?

The taser special. Maybe. Yeah, the taser special. $20. Maybe some news. Ricky Hollywood. Yeah, Ricky's getting the taser on Friday. We'll see if Dan's back.

Don't tase me, bro. I guess he's got the little C. Be careful. I'm not sure how little it is. Be careful out there, everyone in terms of the Middle C. And everyone with the Big C, we're thinking of you. you know, fight on. We've got all our Cs covered.

Next week's going to be big. So until then, thank you for listening to the Around the NFL podcast presented by Intuit QuickBooks official sponsor of the NFL. What a time. Weird time in this world right now. Very weird. For Mark Sessler, Chris Wesley, Omar Ruiz, and Ricky Hollywood.

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