NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Unfinished Business and Brady Roast

Episode Date: May 6, 2024

In a room full of heroes - Dan Hanzus, Gregg Rosenthal, and Marc Sessler take a look around the NFL and tell you what unfinished business is left to take care of. To start the show, the heroes react to Tom Brady's roast (03:26), Odell Beckham Jr. signing with the Dolphins (16:50), and the possibility of JJ Watt coming out of retirement (30:25). The heroes then look around the league and tell what teams still have to address headed toward the new season (34:13).  Note: time codes approximate. NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Right before we started, Mark was making a joke. Instead of Cabo, he said Cabo, and everyone freaked behind the glass and in front of it. Sorry I'm not, you know, three times a month traveling outside the country for some flighty vacation. We were, there is this some type of internal gathering here where I think they're going to Cambo. But we weren't even invited.

We've got, we have now aged out slash, slash, kind of been out of the mix enough within this building that no one's even checking and kicking the tires on the old heroes, whether they want to be involved. I don't like what I don't, I don't have any problem with not being invited because it makes a lot of, too much sense. But the assumption is that we wouldn't be any fun. And I don't find that assumption correct. If you put us down in, you know, you can fill in the blank island or locale, I think we could bring fun. Mark trying to rebuild his reputation once the rebound from the tough start of the show. I say some words differently and constantly critiqued for it.

Feels like a lot's got on since we last did a show. It's one of those type things. Jordan Rodriguez was a huge hit on around the NFC. We kept telling her, chill, you're doing great. Listeners are going to love you. And sure enough, like a huge outpouring. out there in the internet that Jordan is a killer in studio guest and we should have her again.

A groundswell. And I believe we will in time. Let's see, what else happened? Mark went to the Tom Brady roast. We're gonna get to that in a little bit. Gregi, I know you like rap. Drake and Kendrick Lamar, they've been feuding for days. We missed that, we missed that window.

We could add so much discourse for weeks, but we did. didn't miss it. It sort of was still going as of last night. So this would be well time. How he subtly corrected me to let the rap heads know that he he gets it. I'm just saying like it, I actually, it did feel like last night was maybe the end of it. So now it's a solid. I feel like we missed, but maybe it's been for weeks, but I feel like right after the show ended, Drake and Kendrick. Uh, yes, Thursday night. It went on a volcano. Yeah, let's turn this into a wildfire and put the guys in a tough spot as happens with the news sometimes. That was their main motivation. That was like, I was like, where are you going with this? Because not much football.

news happened in between, but yes. You know, now the free agency is in the rear view. The draft is in the rear view. Rookie camps underway, OTAs, and all that other stuff is coming up. What's left? Like with these teams, when you look at these rosters, they now had their opportunity, these teams. They had their opportunity to plug all the holes,

but have they? That's the question. And we're going to get into teams where, there's still stuff hanging out there there's still question marks around these rosters so we'll get into that but but first but first anything great here i got i got you in the corner of my eye doing a look over no i'm good let's do some news drunk i've been watching on fox nfl sunday and i'm begging you please stop doing your job at the Tom Brady roast, that's courtesy of Netflix. Mark, what was the vibe there at the fabulous

forum? It's pretty wild. I was telling Greg beforehand that it reminded me of even when we've gone to whether it's like Thursday night football here at SoFi or the Super Bowl, where like when you watch it, the television copy later, like the halftime show looks completely different. Like parts of the game look completely different. Things that you just wouldn't see being there as a human. Like I had that feeling with this because it was a wild, raucous setting. I was up in the not the cheap seats, but close. So you couldn't really see very well. And you got these as a gift, right?

Yes, yeah. What are your thoughts on maybe whoever got them for you not going that extra mile getting you a little closer to the stage? Let's stop down just to talk about that a little bit. That wasn't my main takeaway. Like I kind of liked, you know, I think the price increased drastically

as you try to get closer to the stage. All right, I'm sorry, go on. But yeah, like, okay, I'll think about that. You could have definitely pulled some favors here, gotten probably a free ticket. thing. I was actually asked in reverse why that didn't happen. And it was not a critique. It was more just an ample question. It's like, I don't know anyone at this company anymore. Let's start there. I mean, like six

Mark, not this company. Think bigger. I also, you know, I don't, if you get a surprise, you don't want to then try to upgrade it and change. That makes more sense. It was a way ahead. It was an electric atmosphere. And I think the one thing that I noticed was, like, what, is this going to be a bunch of like transplanted Patriots fans? And we were sitting near like a flock of like, drunken, angry Giants fans who were, like, razzing Tom Brady from the bleachers and the stage. So it was kind of a wild crowd up where we were.

And then I think it got richer and more wealthy as you got closer to the stage. Right. Fun time. There wasn't, like, it was three hours long. Like, there wasn't a down moment. I thought those things were typically good, but they nailed it, like, over and over.

And I thought, the one thing I thought, like, it was good for the Patriots, too, because, like, suddenly you're in this moment where it's, like, Bill Belichick and Brady were coaxed up to do a shot together. Robert Kraft, who took a number of strays early in the show. Including one that led Tom Brady to actually threaten the Roastmaster General Jeff Ross. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, I assume that's like the kind of thing. We didn't catch sitting where we were seen on TV. I realized it caused a big stir. But they, like all these Patriots were there. And after like the documentary that came out and stuff, it seemed to do a lot more to honor the Patriots in a weird roundabout way than that documentary. Like they all seemed much happier to do this.

Even though at the times like the look on Tom Brady, his face seemed like maybe stopped mentioning Giselle for the 400th time and what's been taken from either of our fortunes. I think that's, yeah, part of the reason why I wasn't interested in watching it live because I think Claybon

made the point and I did too. I've avoided a lot of this post-Patriots afterglow the productions because I just don't need more Patriots. Like if you're a Patriots fan, you're all over it. If you don't have any type of complicated relationship with the Patriots, maybe you just love it because it's football content. I was perfectly

fine with, you know, seeing what came out on Twitter. And there were some, you know, good stuff out there, some funny lines. And I thought Belichick, you know, he, he had a good one or one written for him, where he talked about, you know, he was at this roast. And he mentioned that the, that aforementioned Patriots 10 part documentary was also like the Bill Belichick, which the crowd kind of got into. I have some insider reporting. I want to get out. there. The best of us have a whole notepad filled of scoops that we never share. Yeah, it's a dance, I would imagine. And that's for relationships and so much more. I say this because I want to report something that kind of touches on this. I have multiple sources connected to this event that said when Greg reported Bill Belichick would be on the roast

which is by the way information I also had but had holstered the producers were so upset because Bill Belichick contemplated dropping out of the event because he wanted it to be a surprise and thank God he was talked into appearing on the show, the program

because it was one of the hits of the night having him there yeah and i just want to put it out there he was there but it went from him doing it to him oh we might be losing bill because of greggie his reporting uh putting it out there that and making it no longer a surprise which bill desperately according to my sources multiple sources very close to the event had said that bill did not want this to get out beforehand so on one level Greg, yes, you have the scoopage. Yeah. And that's great. You want the truth. You go to

the Rosenthal. On the other hand. Doesn't ring is poetically? It came very close to hashtag Greg, you ruins everything. Well, maybe. So we got to talk about what, what matters ultimately in the world. Ultimately, the truth matters, I believe. Getting it out there matters. But also, you're getting it from a source, maybe also inside the production that wanted it out there. In fact, triple source. Right. The one that wanted the information out there.

there that maybe it'd be good for buzz that would be happy with it being out there so maybe they calculated what could happen based on that and they realized in the end bill bellichick was out there so you know i'm not protecting the fat cats up there in the in the highfalutin offices making all the money i go to the truth and and then he got he got out there he was up there i mean this whole thing the other way around right you were protecting the fat cats and doing their work for them you were carrying their water and promoting the event i just thought it was interesting Bill himself was the one that was, ah, I didn't want that out there.

And then the audience, us, average Joe's, we almost missed having Bill there and all the fun from the event. Listen, I'm not, this isn't me throwing daggers at you, Greg. I know we're kind of now competitors. I see you in some ways as like a hungry young apprentice in this game.

So I don't want to come down on you hard. I'm just letting you know this was, this was what was happening around the story. It bothers me that Belichick, if he even contemplated in the 11th hour not attending this that if he's that sensitive

and he thinks to be such a special I don't believe that I could believe that he would be unhappy I don't think I also don't believe he really was about to

also by the way it would have had people the whole thing's written and it's on teleprompter it would have had to cause everyone to wipe out about 700 other like that's

in live television that happens now that said I thank you I don't need to be taught that I understand that it would have been an annoyance I thank you

television man but like it's like that's not it's just that it would have been hyper annoying like he was the centerpiece of the show my point exactly and we almost lost them there's this guy over here i mean you're you're trying to seek truth i get it but at you know but also there's there's different at what expense maybe they calculate i don't think bill belichick would have been so sensitive and as for the surprise aspect i have to guess for 95% of the people watching that they did not know bellichick was going to be on that anyways not everyone is like living on it. But then when he's on it, it also wasn't a surprise. What do you mean? I didn't find it surprising that. I thought that either, like, Belichick or Giselle, one of the two would somehow get their way onto this show. I would not have. Giselle would have been shocking to me and I'm with you that, that Tom Brady's doing like a ton of media right now. Tom Brady looked, you know, those were hard because it's, it's his family. It's painful. He's getting all these karate jokes, you know, and I didn't, I haven't seen the whole thing, but I watched the beginning

like that and Belichick and enough so far just because it was out and that that's got to be painful and it reminded me of the timing of this because we it's like why is Tom Brady doing this? Like I saw some people say like oh, who would you want to roast next out of athletes? And I just can't imagine A, there's enough people that are important enough that would that it would be this compelling. And then of the people important enough like why would you even really want to do that? And it got me thinking of the gestation project of this because, as we know through our original reporting,

this was supposed to be a couple of years ago before he ever got divorced. We thought he might be retiring in part because this was like cautiously on an upcoming docket of what he was planning to do in his post-life. And at that point, it was too late to back out. Although he's Tom Brady, he could have backed out.

And he came off great in it, and he took the jokes and he did fine when he had... Except for the crap. That was... Getting up on the dais and thrown out a threat. That made me wonder. and I, this I have no information, but knowing how these things work, there are things that are off limits. Oh, absolutely. That made me wonder if that. Not much was off limits in terms of how Tom Brady was treated. Without delving into it, I would imagine that was one of the agreements for the owner to come on

this show. Do not involve certain conversations and they did. While he's 12. Brady was very steadfast about that. He was probably furious about it. Actually, he was furious enough to get up and do an angry whisper in the ear um i do love that belichick spent like weirdly like a minute doing three mat light jokes which was like what that was one takeaway on a night that was great i think for patriots fans it did feel like a little bit of closure seeing belichick and brady go back and forth was awesome as a patriot that i love even yeah and i totally could see that being the case like i could see why even is you know the way things ended it's never fun when things end but bill and tom ultimately being cool makes sense to me they they went through

so much together. They're linked forever in history. They love each other, I'm sure. The owner and the coach situation? Well, that's recent. Yeah. And the way, if I were Bill, the way that documentary, the Apple documentary played out, it wouldn't go down so easy. So he wasn't down to play ball in that respect. And let's get to the news. Great job by the writers, by the way. They nailed it. Like the one like Tony Hinchcliff who has his own show, like he,

these guys that probably Tom Brady's never heard of for the moment. most part, like, he came up and thanked Grong for... Tony Hinchcliff. He's pretty big. He is in that world, in that, like, in the roasting world, but he thanked Grong for taking a break from writing letters to Santa to join them. Like, Gronk took about 800, like, herbal fist

to the face. A friend of the show, Nikki Glazer had a great line making fun of Tom losing $30 million in crypto, and he's like, even Gronk knows that you don't mess with crypto. No real money. Gronk no do. I was like, yes. Good joke. And, yeah, friend of the show, our former co-worker, Chris Brockman, you know, his

His partner, Saratiana, was one of the writers. Megan Galey, who does a show with Dave Damishik was one of the writers. All connected. My throwback podcast partner and bosom buddy, Bob Cashstone, worked on the project as well. Fun. So good stuff, all fun. Let us now. And I think it was a big success, too.

Good job. Seam like it. Also, never underestimate dropping something at the right time. The greatest example will always be the last dance with Michael Jordan in the middle of COVID. But if you drop something like this on Sunday night, May 5th, like, it's going to do well. The one mistake I made, this was a grave mistake. I realized about 82 seconds into the affair

was that I texted, like, Luke and Colton, my children who are still young. I was like, dad's going to be watching this Tom Brady event at the forum, like, check it out. And like, you know, within about a minute into it, like every body part had been mentioned, every swear that you could come up with. He's like, Daddy, who's Aaron Hernandez?

That would have been the least of my worries. Evans to Betzeece. I'm sure you got a sharply worded tweet. I got no response. Oh. from other parties involved, I meant. All right. Let's get into it.

Odell Beckham. I'm pretty sure I mentioned this is definitely where he's going to end up. He was always going to end up in Miami playing for the Dolphins at some point in his life. And now it is upon us. Rap sheet reported that Miami's expected to sign veteran wide out. Odell Beckham, one year deal up to 8.25 million. So that's Miami. His base salary is three million.

in here. Now, this was a guy who I think he made 15 guaranteed with Baltimore. That was one of the worst free agency signings of last year. So this is now more in line with where Odell Beckham is now. I mean, I would assume he's finally in his 30s, probably about 31 now. Feels like he's been around forever, obviously. But yeah, he's not an old wide receiver, but he's had some major serious injuries. It should be pointed out that in addition to the injuries, Gregie, Baltimore kind phased him out of the offense down the stretch and did not show interest in bringing him back but if you want to spend positive if you want to talk yourself into odel beckham yet again in the off season uh going there as the third banana in the offense maybe gives them something

in south beach i i think he's a role player right now he's getting paid as a low level wide receiver low play role player like we maybe we're going to mention the dj shark signing i don't know he went to go ahead the let her rip The Chargers, it's like, those guys are making similar money. I think Shark is actually making more. So that's sort of the level I'm talking about, which is a third, fourth receiver. And when he was on the field last year, he was a potentially useful player just in that role. And being on an offense with Waddle and with Tyree Kill, like, he's going to be in really ideal circumstances.

And he could be helpful in that role because I, going through their, you know, lineup, they have a big drop off after those two. They have Braxton Berrios is there three. They don't really have a three. So he could contribute, but he just can't stay on the field. That was his biggest issue in Baltimore is like he couldn't stay healthy for more than three games in a row. Since maybe his fourth year at this point. There was that,

he can't stay healthy. Right. There was a couple crossing patterns with Baltimore where he actually got the ball in the open field. He still was pretty explosive, but he just, he just couldn't stay healthy or consistent. They drafted Malik Washington. I think what I like about it is that the ceiling,

there is only a handful of teams with an absolutely locked and loaded. one and two at wide receiver. So clearly, yes, he's the third guy there. But I trust, like, Mike McDaniel to get the most out of almost any player on that side of the ball. More than I do, Todd Munkin, in the first year with a Ravens team

that was trying to amp up and become more balanced. But it's like, O'Dell did get better down the stretch, but then they limited his role. So it's like, I kind of think this is a perfect landing spot. It always made sense.

Devil's advocate. I mean, the thing that the dolphins need to get better at is being a late season football team. being a kind of a badass team when the elements turn against you and O'Dell Beckham wearing 17 layers of closing and his entire face covered up except for his eyes in January

something I could picture and don't imagine he's that guy that's that rough and tumble guy to take you to the prime. That's also one of about eight players on offense that I don't trust to fare well in negative 23 degree temperatures no matter what. Right. They need to get some home games finally. But yeah, he was frustrated. We were at that game in London. It was

kind of a disaster. There were a couple of games where Lamar Jackson and just didn't feel like he could trust that O'Dell would be in the right spot at the right time. And that's why I think. Odle had a major staff in that game against the Titans. He was very bad the first half of the season,

seemed to find his footing in the back half of the regular season, but then kind of lost his role in the offense down the stretch. Not the same type of player, but another high profile veteran receiver that hung on for a while. DeShon Jackson, remember at the end of his career, he would pop up everyone's while and still be making big plays,

but was no longer a consistent player in an offense. I could see O'Dell being that for Miami. We shall see. All right, let's take a break and then we'll continue the news. What's up, everybody? Daniel Jeremiah here. And I'm Bucky Brooks. On Move the Sticks, we take you inside the game

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options. The roundup, Anage Harris, Steelers running back declined. The Cowboys, not a surprise here. They declined Trey Lance's fifth year option. Of course, he was drafted number three overall a few years back. The Broncos do the same with the number two overall pick in that draft Zach Wilson. Not a surprise there. Greg Newsom, Oda, Oa, and Kitty Pay, among the options picked up for the fifth year. I thought that the Naji Harris was not surprising. I think Jalen Warren's going to have a much bigger role, and I think they want to get faster. Greg Newsom was dangled in like trade talks going back

last offseason and throughout, you know, around the trade deadline last year a little bit. So that, I like that. I think Greg Newsom is like quietly an extremely solid cornerback. And if I'm the Browns and Jim Schwartz, like don't take anything away. just keep it going for as long as you can. Yeah, I was actually a little surprised by the

Naja Harris declining because it's running back, it's only $6.8 million. They didn't want to lock into a one-year $6.8 million contract. He's not going to be thrilled about that right behind him. For instance, Travis E.T.N.

Making us slightly less money because he's one pick later. You know, they picked up his option. I think you look at some of the players that, like, O.A was a little surprising to me, like 13.3 million. He's been like slowly getting better. There were some noes out there. Try on Cheyanka. Got a know. Peyton Turner, who's, you know, Eric Stokes. Those guys just haven't been on the field enough. Remember Alex Leatherwood, not eligible in this draft,

no longer in the NFL. Zaylon, David Collins got a know. But Justin Fields was another one, just checking a box. Like, of course they're not picking it up, I guess. It's one year 25.7 million, but it just shows what a weird situation that bears. I mean, that Steelers team. And one like little note with Fields because remember we were talking about this thing that's been floated out that they could use Fields as a return man. Like, that's possible. And I don't, I don't, I kind of think it's an interesting concept. But they don't have, they have Cordero a Paterson too. And they got them specifically, like soon after that whole kickoff thing changed. Wait, to only one of those quarterbacks that's, that's hitting me now of the, the five taken got their option.

Two thousand, twenty one draft. Messy. Not, uh, not for nothing was the first draft after COVID shut down the entire world and most of college football. Cadarius, Tony was a big no to. not a surprise again but just checking boxes here um you mentioned alex leatherwood i was thinking when the michael pennix pick went down with atlanta and i was like when's the last time there's a pick that was so head scratching or was immediately panned at such a high level it was the raiders taking alex weatherwood i think around 20 or so 21 in that realm and immediately i remember all the guys on the dais for nfl network and everywhere else were like uh they're going through their notes it's like I had him as maybe like a third round guy.

He might be the ultimate example. And of course, he flamed out immediately with the Raiders. He might be the ultimate example of why you don't just draft for a position or a need. You have to go best available player. And the Raiders, I think with Mike Mayock made that mistake. Well, there's a study out there that kind of over the last 10 years shows where teams drafted and what like how much value according to like consensus big boards, where how it, you know, even out. And the best teams get the best value where they draft.

and the Raiders were dead last over the last 10 years. They made a lot of like zigging, zagging picks that didn't work. The other one I thought of actually wasn't quite as big as Pennix, but in terms of a top pick, shocking everyone, was Cleveland Farrow, which was also Mayock. It was actually his first

pick. Yep. And it was the number four overall pick. And everyone was like, wait, really? Like, he's a solid player, but no one thought he was a top 15 player. They had multiple number ones in that draft and none of them were with the team anymore. And we talked about, you know, Jordan did that great deep dive of the Rams draft. the teams like the Raiders for instance that keep churning and starting over not just at head coach

sometimes you think oh oh they fired a GM they hired a new GM in a lot of cases you're bringing an entire new length football language and before you can even install a new one and even know if it works that guy's out and you're starting again and i guess these are examples of teams and once the last time the Raiders win the Super Bowl 25 years ago 23 years ago not a lot of success win a playoff game first yeah uh all right let's talk about the Saints, Mickey Loomis, the GM. They made a move at the draft drafting Kool-Aid McKinstree, who is a very toolsy cornerback.

A lot of, a lot of people believe Kool-Aid has a chance to be, you know, a star at corner. And then there's the situation with veteran Marshawn Lottimore, once upon a time, a big-time draft pick by the Saints back in 2017. Now the ideas, are they looking to move Lattimore with McKinthry in the house? here's what Loomis had to say on Mad Dog Sports Radio. Yeah, it doesn't mean anything. Marshawn's been a really good player for us for a good period of time.

He's one of the leaders of our team. And look, it's just like I said, you know, we can use as many corners as we can get. And we've got a good group, a really good group, and they're going to help each other, and they're going to help our team win. Greg, do they have a very talented cornerback room? What is the idea of why they would move, Latimore? Or is that there are perpetual issues with cap space and trying to finally gain some level of financial freedom?

There was some reporting just last year that he wasn't happy and it was personal maybe between him and the coaching staff and that's popped up. I think when it comes to trades though, and I've seen a lot of people like just throw it out, like, oh, what could be some trades that could come up? It's like trades aren't happening at this point. What is the point of getting a draft pick in a trade

in the middle of the summer that you could just get after the season. Now, if injuries happen and you're in training camp, that's where it's possible where a guy like a CD-Deuce shook loose from the saints.

And I could see Latimore being a guy like maybe in training camp once you get to like the middle to later, once you get like closer to cut days. But like from now until then, like those big name receivers, like they're not going anywhere. The window passed.

I might also say that if you lose Latimore because of Dennis Allen's second, very notable, like, internal tiff with a player. That's how you lost Garner Johnson. Like, these are both from your secondary. You trade them post-June 1 or cut them. You still are dealing with a lot of dead cap money. So it's like it would only save them about $4 million this year, cost them $10 plus and dead cap money, 10 plus and dead cap money the year after,

seven plus the year after that, and then still the year after that. So it's not that financially, it's not financial wizardry necessary. I believe he might have been an ex-saint if they got like a nice offer. But people are just so anxious about trading for these picks for veterans, which is crazy because then they get in the draft and they're throwing like future picks around willy-nilly to move up 10 spots. But they gave up. Yeah, like and again, the veteran trade tax.

You're right. Latimore. It's like, oh, man, I would love to have Latimore on my team. But it would cost me like a second round pick maybe. No. I don't get them for a fourth. Right. Go get them if your team needs a corner.

We're going to talk about needs in a little bit. You're also hoping, like, it's nice to say Kooliad McKinstries fills a need, like, okay, not a lot of cornerbacks don't work. And I just want to say about two minutes ago, I want to apologize to the listeners to you guys as well. But I'm working with an alternate laptop today. Couldn't locate my work laptop. The biggest concerning development with one of our laptops

since I spilled coffee on mine twice in six months. I mean, I know you know me, but like those who know me on a truly personal, like at home level, I lose stuff all the time. Okay. And it usually turns out.

Like a laptop. Yeah, like stuff that you would never think, how could that be lost? You wouldn't just have left it out like a coffee bean or something. Possible. I went to the car wash after the show as a true working man on Thursday

and took the bag out of the car when I was vacuuming. Put the bag back in. How would the laptop get? out it doesn't matter so the point being I'm using a laptop yeah and I had the volume up and then I got a text from a friend and it can't be scrubbed out by ATP because I was talking at the time of the day so now a bit now about three minutes ago there's tens of thousands of listeners who are gonna hear that

ding and they're gonna go check their phones and then they're gonna look at it and it's not going there's not gonna be a text and it's because of me and my failure to hit the mute button on a rogue laptop. I think your apology will go a long way to the tens of thousands that will obviously, but I'm glad you mentioned it because that's the same, a similar sound effect we use when someone says something that's very factual or astute or kind of next level. Or really anything at all?

Well, yeah, you were rolling through a setup point and then got a ding and I'm like, why did Eric Ror, why did you get that sound effect? You said nothing out of the ordinary. So makes me feel better about what's happening with Eric. That would really mess with the listeners if Eric replaces his ding with the traditional Apple texting. Don't do it. The accountability is off the charts here. I love it.

Thank you. Thank you. What else is in the news? Quote unquote news. JJ Watt, he retired. I think I lost the sandwich because I thought Watt would come back last year. I kind of thought he'd end up playing with his brother, T.J. in Pittsburgh. But he stayed out of football last year, did some TV work.

but J.J. Watt says if his original football team, the Houston Texans, and their head coach, pick up the phone, he'd answer. Let's listen to us. I've had 12 great years in this league, and I'm very thankful to have walked away healthy and playing great. I mean, I told D'Amico last year, I said, don't call unless you absolutely need it. But if you ever do call, I'll be there. And he knows not to call unless he absolutely needs it. This is the last year I'll tell him that because I'm not going to keep. training the way i've been training but uh he knows that if you ever truly does need it i'll be there for him notable brandy k scott with the credit there on twitter before he made that last comment

i was going to say for a guy who's been out of football now for over a year he looks exactly like j j wott many many times and you could figure out why it's natural when they step away from the game they stop training at the same level and their physique gets slimmer or whatever he looks He looks like he's still, what was he, 6,6, 260 or whatever? We saw him at the Super Bowl and he's not like a normal human. And he's saying he's training to, he's football ready right now still. That is notable to me and something to keep up. And I saw a thing where he went through, and I kind of love finding out about this stuff.

Like he went through what his diet is to maintain like the, like the, like the, the, the, the, the watt shape. It's so much work. And it's like 7,000 plus calories a day. By the, you're all, still? Yeah, well, I mean, that's, that's what he was doing when he was. a player and so if he looks exactly the same it's got to be in the realm of that if he wants to this is the power of cj strouds me because he left the texans with you know some issues with ownership and all that stuff but it's like suddenly this team looks like a super bowl team i'll also say

the power of demico ryan's who is sure j j wott's former teammate with houston they were once the stalwarts of a defense together and now he is the head coach and he's got obviously the respect of j j jay so the off season the offseason news moves slow in some ways but whenever you just get a little bite, suddenly it moves fast. And they actually, someone tracked down to Miko Ryan's, who was at a Texan's event today.

He says, I need him now. Anytime JJ's ready to go, I'm ready to go. I mean, is a situational pass rush? It would be incredible. But yeah,

we're not going to get sucked into the May 6th rumor mill, but it's good to relate that. You should do it. And part of the reason I think it was interesting to talk about is less need throughout this on the Rich Eisen's show last week, too, just that, that Aaron Donald, like,

hey, I had mentioned to Aaron when he retired. You know, we had a guy in Eric Weddell who just kind of jumped off the couch to join the playoffs. So maybe if you'd want to do that, it'd be an option for you. He says he doubts Aaron Donald would actually do that. I don't know.

I could see that happening. The Rams might ask, and they actually structured his contract and retirement in a way that that would be very doable if Aaron Donald would want to. But he says they might try to tempt him, but they don't know. They should do more of these like veterans,

with special powers are brought on to the scene like Joe Flacco like in November and December don't make them go through all this nonsense leading up to it. If the team's in position

you bring Aaron Donald back in for 60 days and he dominates and they gets a Super Bowl ring. Do it. Love to see it. There's just a category of players like that.

Justin James Watt turned 35 years old in March. All right, that's what's happening in the news. Let's take a break and talk about Some outstanding team needs. I don't mean outstanding like, oh, it's outstanding.

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Like that it could happen. It wouldn't be like that wasn't on purpose either. And if it did happen again, it would have the triple trial. happened that time because your directions were fuzzy compared to the directions you gave like a Jordan on our last show or Colleen like the ones given to me were fuzzy and I faltered and I don't blame myself. I don't know why I love it so much. Um, unfinished business. That's, see, that was the one I was trying to get that out at the top of the show. Segment. Unfinished business. Teams are now pretty much and they're still Greggie. There are still roster

moves to be made. There's not a lot of options out there, but there are options. There are players out there and there will be cuts and all that stuff and maybe JJ Wack comes out of retirement. You never know. But as things stand now, Gregie, there's going to be teams that are enter the season with with void. So let's get into them. Let's talk about them. Maybe they're not. Maybe they only seem like a roster issue and we'll have a conversation and it won't be that way. And I'll get this one going. And I will start with a team that I think everyone, agrees is a a bit of a intellectual curiosity right now it is ETP's favorite team it is the buffalo bills and you could go and maybe a couple different directions for this team that that's been

so close to getting over the hump but they haven't yet i was going to say did they make it to the afc title game yet with josh allen once yeah yeah one one trip to the game is stephan dig staring at the confetti no rough rough um and now they're trying to go out of it at a in a different angle with some turnover on the roster. I'll talk about the wide receivers because I'm curious in general here. This is not just this offseason, but when you look at their death chart, where is the investment been at this position during the Stefan Diggs

and now the post Diggs era? We know the bills traded back twice out of the first round. They took Keon Coleman last month in the second round. We'll see how he turns out. But I always think that that with wide receivers, in most cases, special cases and there could be a couple of special cases at the top of this draft with Marvin Harrison and name and neighbors and a dunes a but uh banking on a first year wide receiver to fill

your void if you have a big one at wide receiver is risky business and that they're kind of asking that of kion coleman right now um however coleman he looks like a lottery pick as a second rounder compared to the rest of the depth chart Gabe davis was a fourth round pick in 2020 he's in Jacksonville now. Khalil Shakir was a fifth rounder in 22, Justin Shorter, a fifth rounder in 23. And then you look at who else they have their free agent acquisitions.

Curtis Samuel, KJ. Hamler, Chase Claypool. Those guys were all second round picks, but on other teams, and they're to varying degrees, in my opinion, depreciated assets. Former fourth round pick Mack Hollins is also on this team now.

Cool. It's a lot of guys. A lot of names. And listen, I love Josh Allen. Actually, Josh and I are spirit canines, as Jordan pointed out last week. But I don't want to watch number 17 throwing to a bunch of second-rate playmakers like Patrick Mahomes was a year ago.

And I'll end with a movie quote here, Marky. Like Basher, Don Cheadle's character and Ocean's 11 said, it will be nice working with proper villain. Actually said it in a terrible English accent. And I have a terrible English accent, so I'll do it. It'll be nice working with proper. of villains again. Alan will have to wait at least another year for the dawn of that reality because right now these are not proper villains in my opinion at the wider city.

Yeah, they did such a good job early in Allen's career building up around him quickly and they're in a, they're having to move through a different phase of all that. Dalton Kincaid is a big factor though. I kind of think you know what you've got a real weapon in him at tight end. But you're right. It's a bunch of dudes that are like names alone like Andy Isabella. You've got like a Keon Coleman. You're hoping. right away contributes. They've already said, like, he has to, and Josh Allen knows he has to. I don't love that for any first-year wide receiver, especially early on, because it's like going from college to pros and different playbooks, different schemes, like, there is an adjustment

there. But I also don't just like wide-out rooms where if you get one injury here to a key figure, you are staring at bottom of the barrel talent around Josh Allen. I like this group more than you guys do, just because I like Curtis Samuel. Like, I can't get I do, too. I would say, I didn't, I felt even when I was doing that setup that I don't, he's not much of a depreciated asset, but he has bounced around the league a little bit. And he's a role player. You guys are right that there's a bunch of role players. Coleman is, was a divisive draft prospect.

Some people had him as like a third or fourth round guy. Others, Bucky Brooks and plenty of other people had him as like a top five receiver in this class, like a physical guy who I thought would make more sense in the slot. My problem is like I like Shakir. He's shown he's an NFL player. He's a, he's a, like a. next to a one and someone else? Yeah, exactly. As like a three,

as like an inside player who's going to get open. Samuel's profile is a little similar to me to Shakir. And then you have Coleman, who I thought would do his best work on the inside. And you have Kincaid, who to me is part of this

and Dawson Knox is part of this. And that's what you're hoping for is that an offensive line and the tight ends and the running backs essentially make up for these receivers. But yeah, you mentioned it. I didn't even realize how many, like, oh, he's on this team,

Claypool, Matt Collins Matt Collins can play he's like a fourth receiver who's a special team Andy Isabella is probably not making this team but he is on this team KJ Hamler like I loved for a few minutes

and then he's had devastating injuries unfortunately like there's just a lot of names a lot of guys I don't want to put you on the spot Eric unless you know but I'm going to check when's the last time they used a first round pick on a wide receiver digs they traded for

they traded a first round pick to get digs I mean off top of my head are we going back to Stevie Watkins Okay. Sammy Watkins. There it is. Yep, you're right. They traded up. They traded a bundle to get, and maybe that's a reason why, organizationally, because Watkins never really came through. But they traded up to get Watkins in 2014, which was the dark ages of the Buffalo Bills. But that's the last time that they've gone in that direction. All right. Mark, you want to go next? Yeah. For me, looking around, I like this exercise because you're like looking at our lads and kind of seeing where things just do not work. Can we hit the big funk meetings in a second? A cup of waters be brought to Dan? Everyone really, you got to subscribe on YouTube. Check us out to see Big Funk step in the video. I mean, Big Funk does it all.

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Ooh Sorry Mark What are the odds That I'd get eight words Into my Segment point here And not only Is like

Fluids being brought into the room But we're breaking into song and dance I was parched And I thought it was affecting my performance It was an emergency It was in a psychic connection That allowed that to happen But Mark has a point here

it's obviously not going to be you that's getting interrupted by that by randy i interrupt myself all the time right coming in though i mean in doing the song but for some reason if it was me or mark who's going to it's just by chance who's going to get interrupted i would put my life savings that it's mark one's pretty good radio the timing well the timing is the timing is a lever pull i understand that but to but to see it as a lever pull at least on the surface is incorrect but if you're saying if i'm subconsciously pulling the lever It's not that deep in the subconscious. It's certainly within the realm of reason.

Yes, I don't think it's miles into the subconscious. That's in that flu. Can you just turn this up a little bit? That is a nice flip. Funk, you need to use this in your personal life, if you know what I'm saying. I'd love to discover that, you know, when we pass off the earth and you can see all different periods of human times. Yeah. That whenever you think of, like, the medieval ages and you have like a floutist who's like, you know, that it's a very boldest.

boring music. But what if it was just this? And we don't, we think we created this. But this was what was happening like the soulful. The soulful floutist is an underrated musician. All right. Without further ado, Mark Sussle. This feels like it's also now following it up with some sort of mundane football comment is absurd. I like what like a lot of these like running back rooms have a bunch of guys. I don't know what why the New York Giants who have issue. They already have issues. Think that Devin Singletary is going to be a capable post-Squan Barclay lead horse. I think he's a fine guy to have as part of your running back room. They drafted Tyrone Tracy. That's a fifth rounder. They've got Dion Jackson, Eric Gray. One of these guys is going to go down with

some sort of an injury or malady. And it's like, suddenly you're taking a quarterback you don't trust who's injury prone in Daniel Jones or fill in the blank there and say, we're not sure even if they stay healthy, you've got a capable running game. I'll add to that, that we don't know what's happening with Darren Waller at tight end. So you've got Daniel Bellinger. He doesn't retire. Exactly. It just sounds like... No other real breaking news.

Right, but how many other players are like, it's like we're into month three of whispers that Darren Waller doesn't maybe want to play football again? There's a lot of other stuff going on there. We're never seeing that man out of football field ever again. I'll put a sandwich on it. And he was public about it. He said, I'm, he's on record saying I'm... But this also

just isn't the same version. They were, I think we're last literally what version of darren wall you're going to get like we're one year later into not being convinced that guy suck and cost they drafted theo johnson at tight end who some people were talking up but you don't you just are taking your running back position your tight end position you've got you had not you have very little a wide receiver before malik neighbors it's like this offense it's the this is the crew that builds up around Josh Allen like they i mean these these were connected to that growth period and we saw what the coaching staff could do with that and it's not happening around whatever quarterback

they actually want to play because there's questions about that too. Wait a second. Can I just say they took one of the big three wide receivers though? I like that, but I didn't list wide receiver. I'm just saying that if the wide receiver

was a burning need. And so they did address that. You can't address everything. But if you're going to lose Seekwon Barkley, who frankly when they go to the playoffs two seasons ago and that was smoke and mirrors to some degree, but Seekwon had one of those seasons. Can I say I don't think that was a terrible move?

I don't, to pay a better in running back with injury issues? But you're now telling. us that if Devin Singletary is your lead guy and question marks behind him, that's risk. I guess my counter would be Devin Singletary while not flashy and certainly not have the name brand value of Saquan Barclay. He might actually be a better

investment for what he gives you and what he costs compared to what the Eagles just paid more Barclay. Right. I don't think the argument is I think you should have turned around and overpaid for a running back that has durability issue. But you would have had to to keep him in the building. So you don't do that, but you go there was months and months. Right. and chances to go to get other teams

like the wide receiver room in Buffalo. You're throwing a lot of darts. We'll see what works. There's not a lot of relicable darts. They got caught flat-footed at running back because they gave Devin Singletary 9.5 million guaranteed. It's like, that's a lot. And that's a fair point when you factor in how much you paid.

I had no idea he was getting that much guaranteed. But my only point is at least how I looked at the exercise. If I see the team actually actively kind of going to try to address it, I'm going to give him a little bit of a pass. Like the bills, I feel like they didn't. They weren't aggressive enough with their wide receivers.

The Giants are trying to do it, but they're not, it's not going to happen in one day. I don't know what they're trying to do at running back. They signed like, I mean, a little bit. I mean, every one of these position groups, they've added someone somewhere. I got a lot of work to do. I agree with you.

Don't see any in, that's a position. You can usually find some free agents late in the game. But again, they went quite quickly. I'm not sure who that would be maybe a Kareem Hunt, maybe a Latavius Murray, but you're not going to get excited. Let's see. Devon Singletary got nine and a half guaranteed. Devin Sylvallery.

What am I missing there? Had some nice metrics last year in terms of like making people miss and Tony Pollard got similar, maybe a little more. All right. If neighbors is a stud though, they're going to be a lot better on offense, if the quarterback

can get it to them. Pollard got 10.4 million guaranteed. Pretty similar. Yeah. All right. So maybe we should stop crying poverty for the running backs. It's all turning around now. Okay.

I might have misunderstood this exercise. No, I don't think so. It's unfinished business. It's unfinished business. So I didn't look at it from a team perspective. I looked at more like league-wide. Go ahead. I'm into the contract.

So I just let's start with, I could divide this up into wide receiver deals and quarterback deals. But let's go wide receiver first. I made little categories. I like it. All right. Here are some wide receiver deals. I expect, Justin Jefferson.

We might have to wait around to like August for this, but I think it's going to happen, the way they've positioned it publicly. This is quite literally unfit-finished business. Business. Yeah. I think Justin Jefferson, Brandon Ayuk, Nico Collins, those would be three wide receivers,

I think are going to get good contracts this off-season. One I want to put in this category, but I don't rule out the Cowboys for messing it up, is C.D. Lamb, who's also a free agent. next year. Like, you got to do this, right? Like, I think they will do it. But now at this point, I don't know. I don't know what's going on in Dallas. And then another category is my don't wait around for it to get too late. And that would kind of be next year's crew, which is

Jalen Waddle, Jamar Chase, and Drake London. The teams that are getting it done early, we've talked about it, save a little money. So that's just like the unfinished wide receiver business. And there's been a lot of a lot of chatter, especially with JJ and Iyuk. But in the end, I think those deals get done. That's my unfinished business. That's a little like housekeeping, if you will. I like that. Who's out there?

And what's the one that the least likely of that group, you think, to get a deal? CD, I think, because... What are they doing? What are they been doing? I don't know. Because they've waited too long. You should try to get it in before Jefferson does it.

I think they're keeping CD before DAC at this point. Yeah, I agree. I kind of like some of the breadcrumbs going on around here. Nico Collins, maybe just because he's not quite at that level. But I think they know what they have and they have a ton of cap space. So he would make a lot of sense. Let's do the quarterback too while I'm on the contract beat. And these might be more interesting.

I've seen people push back that is Goff actually going to get this deal. I still expect Goff. Did you hear those Lions fans in Detroit? Right. You can't let that guy go on three. It is a tricky contract perhaps of how many years of guaranteed money you're going to give, but he'll get a nice raise. Goff, Tua, and I think Jordan Love gets paid this year

because I think Green Bay is smart. I think the contract they gave him last year it was a sneaky, great contract, a two-year deal, gave him a little cushion. They didn't give him his fifth-year option, but I think they get contracts. Dak, it looks like, is a big fat no, which is crazy. And then just kind of like keep an eye out on Trevor.

Maybe they just wait for him to get to his fifth-year option, which is fine. He's not a free agent next year. Trevor and Purdy My unfortunate What did you call it? Avatar. I mean, I am now Brock Purdy.

And Brack Purdy might be the most underpaid player in the league. Whether you're a huge Brock Purdy guy or a middle Brock Purdy guy, he's getting paid like a seventh round pick for starting quarterback on one of the best teams in the NFL.

So those are two to watch. I think the one in there that, like a couple things happening because there's a world where Jack Prescott doesn't stay with the Cowboys after this upcoming season. And then you're the Dolphins, and you're trying to figure out if you're Mike McDaniel, like how much you really want to invest in Tua, like contract for Tua when maybe a quarterback

becomes available in the offseason. Like, I'm still confounded by what to do with Tua. I know that, like, from certain metrics, he looks pristine, but like watching Tua, it's like, am I going to get this guy a giant contract? They just seem like they are very positive about it and he's positive about it. It just says to me they've made progress and they're both kind of think it's going to happen. All right, so you rock my world about that singletary thing. So I look, I did some digging here.

So the running back market is just not interested in what's a Brock 30 going to be. That's a tricky contract, Dan. It's a tricky one. I also think that you. Is it worth more than he would never get more money than Trevor, by the way? I don't want to say anything about Brock because I don't want to get Mark upset that I'm still not totally sold on Brock and maybe the Niners aren't. Well, you should be, you should be worried about getting me upset, you know, kept me up.

That wasn't my comparison. comparison, I love that it was because it got you fired up, but that was Jordan saying that you were Brock Birdie. That really stuck with Greg. Because as we were leaving the studio, you were still parsing that in your mind and verbally with us.

Just give me Philip River, someone that's fun at least. Well, I think it was all active QBs, though. Anyway, so you're right. You're absolutely right. He got, Devin got nine and a half fully guaranteed, which is more than what Derek Henry got fully guaranteed. and I'll just throw one more out there that to the point though

9 and a half is 9 and a half but Saquan got 25 and a half he got it he got the contract 25 and a half fully guaranteed not to say like not to rehash it but you're looking into it through the lens of like should they have re-signed Saquan Barclay no we've moved on from that conversation

and at least I have I'm more just like looking at how that market shook out in in hindsight now let's move on let's go through another round let's do it here we go where do I want to go where do I want to go

where do I want to go all right let's let's stick a wide receiver and let's talk about the Ravens so you know they addressed cornerback

offensive guard in the first and second rounds I trust the process in Baltimore always will but I don't like how it all ended up for Lamar here because there's a lot

there's a lot being put on Rashad Bateman finally becoming that dude first round pick back in 2021. Do I trust Zay Flowers? Yeah. Do I think Zay Flowers can progress and even become a star? Yes. But then after Zay and after of course Mark Andrews you have again Bateman you have Nelson Aguilar you have a fourth round pick Devantes Walker you

you know dart throw Deontze Hardy Tylen Wallace you have a bunch of guys just a bunch of dudes kind of back where you were and here's the issue I'm not going to go crazy in the sense that

if you have what Lamar brings to the table and you have Mark Andrews who is one of the best playmaking tight ends in the sport and Zay who could become

like a all pro type player if things go the right way but this team to me is still one injury away to either of those guys to be in right back to where they are always seemed to be where they are short-handed and struggling, perhaps in January, to find a way

to make the offense go. So why are we not learning, like to me, the Miami Dolphins is another example from what happened in their last game moving forward. I just don't get it. I'm with you. I do wonder if they felt like there was a receiver drop-off before they ended up taking Nate Wiggins with the 30th pick. He was a cornerback. And like, they were pretty interesting receivers on the board, Kean Coleman, and we saw Legette and who went in the second round. But I would have thought they would have liked to get out of that pick with the receiver because it's not a great group. And you're going into the season with major questions there and on the offensive line where the guard positions and right tackle are shaky. They weirdly have more questions to me than a lot of

the AFC like good teams. And yet I see that they're like, they're over under and it's not showing up in Vegas yet. They're being seen as this like, we're coming off of one seed and we're the favorite in the AFC North and our over under is 11 and a half and I'm not so sure. They have a lot of questions. There are always a team though that's going to find like two or three guys between now and the

start of the season that plugs some holes. But I think it's like with offensive line like where are some of these guys going to go? They drafted Roger Rosengarten. Andrew Voorhees, who was a pick last year, was injured, is coming back and like getting fairly well praised by the coaching staff. But it's like there are a lot of departures here.

there were like 14 key figures that left and suddenly the Ravens are back I think just back where you were at wide receiver we're like you kind of appeased Lamar a year ago and I'm with you on Rashad Bateman it's like there's moments where you see it but like there's no evidence that this guy is going to suddenly make a major leap here.

I want to you know I wouldn't call him a sunken cost but at a certain point you have to start seeing him stop seeing him as the guy that you wanted him to be I'm just looking at his three years in the league he finally played you know close to a full season last year 16 games and did not produce at a very high level at all 32 for 367 and one the season before was you know injuries wiped out most of the year you know he only started four games as a rookie in 21 so it's

you're really banking on his development in this offense if not it's a problem Greg uh who's that mark you're next you know a team that like i always feel i'm picking on these guys and i'm not trying to but it's just like it's hard to see what's happening here with the raiders because let like fine, even if you like Gardner Manchu, like there's a quarter, this is one of the weirder quarterback situations in the league where it's like you have an interim coach that became the full-time coach

and you're going into this new campaign and there was all this kind of like, I like Antonio Pierce more than you Dan, but I think that the Raiders players like him, but you're going into a tough AFC-West campaign with at best like a C-plus situation a quarterback, if not a lot worse, especially if there's any sort of injury

there. They're running back room. Alexander Madison, not in love with Alexander Madison. Zamir White, Amir Abdullah right now is listed as their starter by PFF. I know that's just, I'm not one of laughing at that, that that's funny that that's how that roster looks. Got to be Zemir White as the starter. Sure. And I mean, he's fine, but I don't, I'm not in love with that. But then they're cornerback. They didn't have a chance because they, you're going, pad your tight end room. Now, I don't, Rock Bowers makes sense. But beyond Jack Jones, they are very inexperienced at corner. And you're in a, you're in a division with Justin Herbert.

I understand it might be Justin Herbert handing the ball off 10 times more times a game. But you can't it out of the West without a loaded secondary. And it's guys like Nate Hobbs and Jacori and Bennett. They took a fifth round flyer onto Camarian Richardson there. But it's like that was a need. They didn't address it correctly because they have so many other needs. And the Raiders, to me, don't look a lot any better than they did at the end of last season. They didn't want to pay Josh Jacobs.

I get that. I think actually. No problem with that. It was a wise move. No problem with that. They got Gardner Manchu who played pretty well for the Colts last year. And there's a pretty decent chance. it sounds like if Michael Pennix

or one of those other quarterbacks was still on the board when the Raiders picked they would have went in that direction but at least they have a guy in Minchu that could hold the fort so I'm not even going really crazy there even if it's not exciting but you mentioned if you have a huge weakness on your team and you have an entire offseason to address it

in the back end of their defense it seems like they are very vulnerable I'm always wary of the defense like you close really strong you finish on a streak and you just think like that's our defense now and it usually doesn't carry over like that because on paper you're right mark uh talented up front but the back end is not a very talented group the bears are kind of the other team that

stick with me a little bit about that they're just assuming that their defense totally cares over but carries over but they've at least invested more in terms of picks than the raiders have all right the bears Gregie all right I'm going to uh dip into the free agency zone again and ask where do the cornerbacks go, maybe where do the tackles go? Because I think these are the only positions where there's actually some players available that are worth caring about. Stefan Gilmore can still play. I mentioned the Packers has a possibility, and every Packers fan that apparently has a

Twitter account was like, we roasted him, no thanks. I get, you know, he had a bad, like postseason game against the Packers. I think it was Dantavian Wicks kind of cooked him up. Gilmore was a little banged up by the end of the year and that's a risk for an older player but he was a good player last year. He was a plus starter so he'll help some team somewhere. Adory Jackson is available

he can still play I think when he's healthy. Stephen Nelson is just the guy who fills out like a thousand snaps every year and can play a little bit. Akella Weatherspoon was a late signing from the Rams last year and played quite well. So those are four guys who to me can play some ball and are still out there and then

almost any team could use cornerbacks but some of the most interesting ones to me would be Packers, Colts, Texans, Jags, Chargers, I would throw in there. Falcons, 49ers, Cardinals, Panthers. I mean, there's so many teams that could use cornerbacks,

but those guys could go in and actually help you, I think, sooner than later, actually step in and help. I feel like some of those guys are, like, waiting until whether they can up their contract big time, if there's injuries,

or it's like the right team suddenly needs them at the, you know, close. Right, Gilmore, and especially Gilmore there, I think actually we'll get decent money. By decent, I mean, like $8 million or something like that. Yeah, I'll, handcuffed that with the last one I had since

it's right in this category. I had the Jaguars and their secondary. I reached out to our original boss, Mark Sessler, Justin Hathaway, now working up there in the Bay Area for NBC. And despite well, he is a

Florida. Jaguars fan. Right. He's from Florida, Justin. I feel like every city you ever mentioned, he knows. Yeah, he's been there at some point. Anyway, Justin, huge Jags fan. And I asked him, like, what were your thoughts about their team and, and what the, what the holes were. And he was not thrilled that they traded back in the first round when they had a chance to grab both of those top cornerbacks.

And then, uh, when they trade back to 23, uh, the, the, uh, Eagles, uh, took one of the big cornerbacks right in front of them. But then you still had, well, Quinnian Mitchell, what's in the Eagles. You had, uh, Terry and Arnold still there. They went with the wide receiver and we've talked about that, that it felt like the, the Jags had got boxed in a little bit. after what happened with Calvin Ridley. So you can't kill him for that.

But then they waited until the third round to take a corner. And then you look at their depth chart and you look at a team that's coming out very disappointing ending, especially on defense. Ronald Darby, they brought in who's a veteran guy, but they're asking him to kind of anchor things back there. He's been a journey. He's a definition of a journey right now where he did a one and done, uh, where in Baltimore last year.

So, um, we'll see what happens with the Jags, but that felt like a place they maybe should have been more aggressive. and now they are perhaps vulnerable. It's like another one of those teams where like so many mocks had this type of position cornerback going to Jacksonville and it doesn't happen. Right. And it's like, well, that was a burning knee.

That's why they were, people were saying that. And there's only so many of these guys out there too. I do feel like it was a thing this year that free agency went faster. There's less guys maybe that are still out there. But I look at these three or four guys and think they could help them. Yeah, they are maybe the number one team. And then maybe on the old,

a little more connective tissue here, You could also, with the Jags and their defense, obviously they have Josh Allen and he's awesome. But I don't know if there's some with Trayvon Walker, some Rashad Bateman DNA there where they're not willing to admit that he's not going to be the other guy on the side across from Allen. So they're rolling with him and hoping he's going to develop, which makes sense. He's entering what is third year. But they might not have enough pass rush either. And these are problems in a division where, you know, it could be tough to defend with some of the excitement. players in really all everywhere in that division now with c j strouds rise richardson

coming back of course we shall see they also have a new defensive coordinator ryan nielsen they fired mike caldwell and nielsen strong mustache game if you check out his uh profile on the jaguars website was one of those guys that like everyone who's a tapehead was like wow i love what rio nielsen did with the falcons last year really creative like really maxed out like did a good job. And I don't really doubt it, but they were bad defense. So I don't know what to make of that. I'm looking at this mustache. It is laptop here, Greg. It is not to intrude here, but that's nice. It's really something. Speaking of a... He's from Seamy Valley, which is

known, it's like the home of cops in Southern California. And he kind of looks like a cop. What, the home of, like the TV show? A lot, no, a lot of cops like live in Seamy Valley. It's like a cop haven. Oh, yeah. He looks like He looks like a 12-year veteran. He's got a lot of cops in El Segundo, too. Do we? I guess we... Well, that little...

That and next... Eric gave me a good point as a real SoCal guy. There you go. Yeah, that's good. My old hometown of Pearl River, New York. A lot of cops of firefighters. Took that metro north into the city. You had to be within a certain...

You had to be within a certain... Like, in terms of mileage from the city. And my town was just... within that limit and had mass transportation. It's all part of it too, Mark. I've ridden Metro North probably 600 times, and I miss it. It's a wonderful way to get around town. Shout out to the NYPD and New York Fire Department.

Absolutely. For what they do. Shout out to the Metro North workers, too. That's one thing we all have in common. I was taking the Metro North on an almost daily basis when I was working up at Roto World. At hell. Shout out to New Jersey, Kansas. They've also dealt with a lot of drunk people over the years and angry businessmen going home to a house that no longer feels like a home.

Everyone would always talk about the bar car because the bar car was still there when I was there. Shout out to the bar car. The actual bar car was there, but there was no more bar. You were allowed to drink there, but people would talk about the good old day. Well, yeah, because you could like, you could, you'd sit there with a beer with a napkin around it, a canned beer and just stare out as the, you know, the towns float by you. It's a nice with your friends. Wonderful thing. Anybody get a PBA card

from a friend of a friend for the years? I had it throughout my New York stay. You got an old guy. What does it stand for? Pro Bowlers Association. I think it's Policeman's Benevolent. Oh, yeah.

Well, here's the move back then. Like, I remember my dad did this and it was savvy because you get one of those, you do donate to the police, so you've done it, but you get the sticker that you put on your windshield or on the side and then they when they when you get pulled over invariably for speeding like the first thing the cops see is that you donate to the police forces and they

they're on your way well the other one if you're a guy you're a little bit of a tricky move for people that don't know what we're talking about a PBA card if you know someone that's a cop or is connected to a cop you get one of these cards and then the idea is if you ever get pulled over when they ask for license and registration you can hand that over but also hand this card or flash the card and if a cop is cool with it he'll be like all right. Slow down. Yeah, it's the same

as the sticker. It's like they admit you, but this is even, the stickers even more subtle. But then you have to make sure it's a window that doesn't. Is it subtle the sticker? I don't know.

Well, you also can't have it on a window that rolls down if the cops pulling up. Tough stitch. Yeah. Classic toughs. Yeah, they know where to look though.

Put it on the windshield. Oh, but he's coming from the side. All right, let's focus up. I was going to mention, we mentioned the Texans. I know Greg, you've been following this. You're connected to Mother Japan

and always. CJ Stroud and Michael Parsons doing their world tour. And the new video that's out there now is Micah Parsons' sumo wrestling. And the first round, the sumo wrestler, did you guys see this? Yeah.

Summa wrestler thrashes him and then does like a rockin the baby thing to Micah. But as CJ Stroud encourages the sumo wrestler to do that to Parsons. And then they definitely seem like frenemies. Yeah. And then Micah and then Micah, you know, hulks up and, you know,

with the sumo wrestler doesn't realize that Michael Parsons is one of the greatest athletes known to man. Doesn't need to recognize. He beat up. Even with no experience, he takes out the sumo wrestler in the second round. I don't know how that ended, but I saw Micah get even.

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One more thing I wanted to throw up here. We have our old friend, remember we had a spirited conversation about Bob Kleinman when we were in Austin for the I-Hard Awards. Yeah. There were a few drinks that were had that evening. as I recall, and I came out

in casual conversation as very pro-Dob-Kleinman. Well, because everyone was piling on, so I think you were trying to, okay, that's what it was. You were his shepherd. I couldn't remember what it was. You were living your contrarian spirit, which comes out in Dan sometimes. Well, sitting next to you for 13 years,

we'll do that. Let's throw up a tweet from Dov Kleinman. This is great. The Eagles are looking scary emoji of someone putting their hands over their face. Super Bowl incoming? And then it's just a bunch of the eagles working out in the gym. Yeah, no one has thought to lift weights yet.

And the funny thing is that these aren't overly advanced workouts. They look like what you would see, you know, young men and women doing in the gym. I think the, I mean, certainly they're stronger. They look different than any other NFL team based on the video evidence. I think Bob on some ways, his Twitter feed. And he, Bob was really pumped up about the Tom Brady roast, by the way. Also, he's all over my feet. You got to mute him.

Chill out. Like, you're spamming me on this. But Dov, with this tweet, again, I have to give credit to what the Eagles have been able to pull off. The brainwashing is complete of public. It's to the point now where someone could send that tweet out. And it's not even thought to be strange that they had maybe the worst collapse. Well, he's getting sucked on for this tweet that like, why are you saying? it's been so forgotten

that Dove could send that out without even thinking that something bad happened at the end of the previous season that would maybe cause one to think that they wouldn't be obvious Super Bowl favorites. Well, in a way you had to love this. Thank you to literally everyone who sent that to me, which is everyone on Twitter I felt like

sent me that DaV tweet. You have to adore this because it backs up your general offseason theory about the whole operation. It's so, it's so like the theory is has become so hardened now that it's it's bulletproof like nothing can get through it i did love first of all the the howie comments that look when they sign sequin barclay we we're ziggin when the

rest of the league is zagging i like that but i giving a 30-year-old running back with no i need 25 million guaranteed what is zig first of all brilliant first of all sequod barkley is 27 years old let's not uh let's not get crazy uh there is a running back tax plus three video put together that's part of the Eagles kind of like behind the scenes draft room of like it's almost like howie porn essentially and which is seriously the last porn one would ever want to watch I would agree and it's a behind the scenes and people just were loving it and our friend Evan Silva quote retweet it you could check it out on his Twitter watch how he cook few smartest GM in the NFL and it's just it's just him even got behind the scenes to my point

Cooper DeZine. They even got Evan Silva. That's where it gets scary. He's talked him up a number. But this is not the first year that he's been fascinated with. The eagle. The only thing, the only thing I need now is for Joel and B to guarantee the Eagles go to the Super Bowl. And that

it is complete. The circle has been completed. Well, you don't have to worry about. You are flush with personal vendettas. You got to, you had to enjoy it. I've been sitting next to you for 13 years. I just see how, I think we see how you how you operate. You do?

Yeah. And you love it. You love me for it. I almost wonder, they've asked if Shakespeare was quietly like 12 incredible authors, not one.

I don't buy into that at all. I think that's nonsense. But like maybe Dauv climbing is like sort of a like a group of people because there's the tweeting is happening 24-7. Yeah.

And he's a shadowy figure I think based in Israel we've been told. Right. Across the sea. All right. Let's book him on the show immediately, Eric.

Let's get to work on that if we can. All right. Why are you on rule dave talk you know if you if you followed if you're if you haven't mute or blocked them that's on you you can't complain i mean you enjoy him daub's out there you know he's out there doing the lord's work aggregating away yep you came from pro football talk gregg that's an aggregator yourself i came from rhodo world the original oh the originators of aggregation all right that's it

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