NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Unsolved Mysteries of Super Bowl LIII

Episode Date: January 24, 2019

A room filled with heroes – Dan Hanzus, Marc Sessler, Chris Wesseling and Gregg Rosenthal bring you the latest news in the NFL including the fallout from the Saints-Rams championship game ,(3:40) th...e Chiefs firing DC Bob Sutton (12:23) and Drew Brees planning to play in 2019. (24:57) Also, the NFL has announced their London game schedule. (27:43) There are many lingering questions leading up to the Super Bowl but the heroes pick out the greatest unsolved mysteries of them all. (35:00)Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:35 No interest. Change the subject again. There's something going on at this point. Welcome to the Wednesday, the Thursday edition of the Around the NFL podcast. and if you were in the studio you see that Greg and I dressed in all black Erica facilitated a photoshop
Starting point is 00:02:55 or scheduled one today told us all to wear black Greg and I complied and Wes and Mark not so much sorry Ricky we can't do the shoot she's all in black too Plum forgot we I apologize I assume you do as well
Starting point is 00:03:10 I do as well it completely slipped my mind I have no excuse no I know it's okay What's your level of disappointment 1 to 10, Erica? I mean, I mean, it was worse when Dan you texted me and said, oh, sweet, sweet, Erica. You should have reminded them. That made me feel.
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Starting point is 00:03:41 But now we're your favorites, Dan and I. So that's. That hurts. Yeah. It puts you guys all the top. case so um today's show a lot to get to um super bowl 53 is a week and a half away rams and patriots so we're going to take a look at some unsolved mysteries around super bowl 53 uh but before we get to that a lot going on in the league so let's take a spin through the news you're listening
Starting point is 00:04:07 to hot bod and the close horse mornings on k nfl Let's start with the fallout, the continuing fallout around the Saints Rams' NFC title game and the blown call heard around the world. Nicol Roby Coleman didn't get whistled for what looked like an apparent defensive pass interference, gave the Rams new life. They went on to tie the game and then win in overtime.
Starting point is 00:04:37 You've seen stories about Saints fans filing lawsuits, putting up billboards in Atlanta. The Saints owner, Gail Benson, and released a statement, expressing a disappointment with how things were handled by Bill Venevich's crew. And now we're hearing that there could be potential changes, Greg, in the rules coming off this, or at least it's going to renew or strengthen
Starting point is 00:05:00 or emboldened perhaps a change in the rules after what we saw. There's so many different ways that they could go, and it is something that's discussed often, really annually at the league meetings, in terms of expanding the rules. Bill Belichick for a long time has proposed making every replay reviewable, which is seen as some sort of like far left or like extreme view that for whatever reason the competition committee can't get behind.
Starting point is 00:05:29 And it sounds like they're not going to get behind it now. Stephen Jones and John Elway, who are on the competition committee, keep talking about a slippery slope. And, you know, in Rich McVeigh, where does it end? It's like you're right in the rules. You can decide where it ends. I don't get the slippery slope. I also don't think it's crazy to make.
Starting point is 00:05:43 every single play reviewable. As long as you don't increase the challenge, challenges, then you have the same number of challenges, just more strategy in terms of what you're going to challenge. There will be more challenges. I know you say there won't, but there will be because there are games where coaches don't use any challenges. Okay.
Starting point is 00:06:01 I can live with that, though. Like, what's more important? Getting it right? Entertainment's important. Okay, then... And we know that's an issue because Al Riveron has mentioned it at our talent summits, that the NFL knows it has a problem with too many flags,
Starting point is 00:06:13 Yep. Too many refs get in the way of the game, and the flow and the rhythm of the game is very important. And I think we're going the wrong way on that. I do think, though, it's just priorities because they would never think for a second to pass up a dollar of ad money. And it's like you could skip some commercial breaks. I mean, anyone who's been to a game live knows half the game players are just standing around. You could make half time of the Super Bowl half as long, but you're not going to because you're getting paid for it. So if we're willing to make the game a little five minutes longer for that,
Starting point is 00:06:43 I'm fine with it being four minutes longer for to get the plays. Some of the fixes that make sense to me, or if this were to be applied, maybe not throughout the entire game, but fourth quarter into overtime or final two minutes and then into overtime, where you avoid, because if this had happened in the first quarter, the way football works, no one would care. You get over it and you deal with it. Lots of crazy calls did happen this weekend.
Starting point is 00:07:05 It makes sense from a human and fan angle why everyone is freaking out about this call as they should. The one thing I'd say about football in the NFL and the way that they look at the rules every year, baseball, and it's not a critique on baseball, but it's in a fix because no matter what they try to do to speed up a game as people's attention spans shorten, it's hard to really do that with baseball on a wide, wide-ranging angle. Football has a way to adjust with rules. They've worked the last couple years to make the games a little bit shorter. And I think the way that they treat commercial in-screen breaks with the action, that helps They have chipped some of the moments off of game length.
Starting point is 00:07:43 But you have the flexibility to deal with these issues. This doesn't have to be an issue next season. And I think, Wes, I hear what you're saying, but there's a way to do it without making the game much longer if you apply it to certain parts of the game or it's simply just a challenge. It's challenging. It's challenging.
Starting point is 00:08:00 To the NFL's credit, though, they are always trying to improve it. And I think they'll try something. And I think we're closer now on replays and everything than ever before. I honestly, and I don't think officiating's worse than it used to be. People, that was like a big topic this year. It's like, it's always, they're always going to be missed calls. These are humans trying to officiate something that's almost impossible. And we have more replays now.
Starting point is 00:08:22 That's just the difference. Do you remember the one season? I think it was maybe 2003 or 2004, if I'm not mistaken, when they took replay away. Yes. And then there was, at the end of that year, I was thinking about this this morning. There was some game in week 16 or, right, a playoff deciding game where they did not, they could not apply replay, and something was so egregious that they immediately brought replay back
Starting point is 00:08:44 because it was a totally... Are you referring to the John Kittina helmet game? Well, there was that. That was... That was 1998, and that led to replay coming back in 1999. I could have the timeline mix, but there was a year where the replay went away or a couple years, and then there was so many issues that they brought it back.
Starting point is 00:09:00 Replay came into the league, I believe, in the early 90s, and then got voted out and was gone. And then after a couple of gaffes in 98, it put it back over. I think it's been in the league since 99, if I'm not mistaken. You may be correct. At this point.
Starting point is 00:09:14 I don't trust coaches. When replay first came into Bean, it was supposed to only be used for the huge, important plays in a game. And I thought immediately, coaches are going to challenge a four-yard pass in the first quarter. And we saw, who was it,
Starting point is 00:09:28 who challenged two plays in the first couple of minutes of the game and lost both of them? And they were ridiculous, like, four-yard passes. You can't, I don't trust coaches to do this and use, discretion in other news connected to this so yes a lot of people are siding with the saints and and having empathy for the saints and all that oh yeah yeah please with the politicians
Starting point is 00:09:49 who are like we're going to bring it up in congress or like let's declare a national state of emergency and it's like shut up you get enough attention national state and even more ridiculous is like hey the solution here of course is to start the game over right at that moment with a first down for that. It's like, shut up. Idiot. Anyway, Andrew Whitworth was on the Rich Eisen's show, and he, you know what? He's sticking up for his team because the Rams are really
Starting point is 00:10:16 being discredited a little bit here, even though they have advanced to the Super Bowl. Here's Whitworth's comments about the controversy surrounding the no-call. You see the arguments from some of the Saints players about, you know, the rule about the commissioner starting the game over or from that point or whatever.
Starting point is 00:10:31 My argument to that would be rich is then Jared Gough got a face mask on the second down right before the possession before that was not called that would be first and goal at the one down three points if you look at our odds from the one this season that's seven points so they'd be down four and the field goal wouldn't matter they've had to have scored in that situation either way so the reality is like where do you want like i said where at the last foul that you want to argue and whether it's like blatant or not it's not a matter it's whether it's a foul so it's just one of those things that that's a slippery slope and it's an excuse wherever you
Starting point is 00:11:05 cut it. And the reality is they got the football after that snap. They played in overtime with the football. New England had the same situation and won the game. They didn't score, we did. We can argue about it all day, but they had an opportunity to win the game and we won it. That's fair.
Starting point is 00:11:21 That's fair. Is it? It's totally fair. It's a bit of a false equivalency, a play where Nicol Robby Coleman admitted that he purposely fouled the player to prevent a touchdown versus, you know, grazing a face man. But I also think We saw Grace Facemak lead to a penalty that helped the Patriots in the later game.
Starting point is 00:11:38 That gets called. Both of these are intellectually dishonest. Chiefs fans worried about the Patriots and not even mentioning the Sammy Watkins' pick play is intellectually dishonest. Equiting the face mask to the Nicolroby Coleman play is also dishonest. I agree with that, and yet it's a loser's lament. The excuse-making part is what stands out to me. And I appreciated that Drew Brees and Sean Payton, even though they were asked quite a bit about these calls, continued to say, because to me they have kind of a championship
Starting point is 00:12:07 winner's mentality, they continue to stress the millions of ways that they made mistakes in that game and that they took accountability for the loss because, you know, if you're going to be the best team in the league and win a Super Bowl, go make plays, go make any number of plays after that to go win it. And I think that's how most of them really do understand. I think it's fans who understandably feel different. I think it's fair that Saints fans in this specific case are absolutely going ballistic.
Starting point is 00:12:36 But what if we were noble enough as a people where the voice for change and replay was just as loud from Rams fans? It's such a fan thing you have to deal with that it's the losing side that must have the war cry. When football fans from both teams should see that that was a busted call. You should see it and argue for that not to happen because it's going to be you next time. All right. Let's move on. The Kansas City Chiefs have parted ways with defensive coordinator Bob Sutton. This comes a couple days after the Chiefs fell to the Pats in the AFC title game. He took over as he joined the staff when Andy Reid took over in 2013 in Kansas City. He had been with the Jets for 13 years before that in a number of capacities. The Chiefs, Wes, over their time with Sutton,
Starting point is 00:13:29 were never a great defense. And now that the Chiefs are trying to figure out, what do we have to do to get over the hump, I guess Sutton, getting rid of Sutton is part of that plan. Yeah, I'm always hesitant to sort of have a strong opinion on offensive and defensive coordinator, hirings and firings, because I recognize the limits of our knowledge here.
Starting point is 00:13:49 I just don't know how capable Bob Sutton is. I do know that Mike Garifolo was telling us on, you know, our Twitter show yesterday that Tony Romo is calling out all these plays on air and it makes Bob Sutton look bad when he knows he knows the adjustments that the defense should be making, but the defensive coordinator does. Well, they had a bottom six defense by football outsiders metrics two straight years. And I don't think they're bottom six in terms of total talent over the last two years. And I do think Belichick and McDaniels kind of point out that in the playoffs especially,
Starting point is 00:14:21 I think you need to have both sides of the ball that are able to adjust. their game plan significantly from a week to week basis and a quarter to quarter basis, that you're going to need coaches that can be flexible. And it seems like Sutton was not, that Tom Brady knew exactly what the defense was going to do two straight weeks against Gus Bradley and against Sutton. I mean, it's another example, though, that, like, they had been talking about parting ways with him, it sounds like, for some time, or at least it was on the burner.
Starting point is 00:14:47 But when you get flamed by Tom Brady in overtime, the way that you do on national television, and you carve through a Chief's defense as if you're operating against a Pop Warner squad, heads will roll. And it's not just scapegoating. It's like the other side to the overtime rule controversy that everyone brings up is stop the Patriots. You've got to be the team that can do that.
Starting point is 00:15:09 You're in your home field, and you got eaten alive by the Patriots offense. Steve Spagnola has emerged as a favorite. Spagnolla, speaking of the Patriots, was the DC of the Giants when they dropped the 18-1. Patriots years ago, but he has kind of been wandering a little bit in the wilderness since. Also in the wilderness. Hasn't been the same since. Also in the wilderness, Rex Ryan, who has been out of football and working with ESPN for a couple of years now. He's been
Starting point is 00:15:38 brought up as a potential candidate, but it sounds like Spags is the favorite at this point. We'll see how it plays out. Wasn't Bob Sutton Rex Ryan's right-hand man for a while? Well, it's a very similar. You'd be bringing in someone to run a very similar scheme. When Spaggs runs of four, three, you'd be changing that defense from the ground up. I mean, that Rex Ryan report came from his place of employment. And they didn't say he was under consideration. They just said he was a name to watch. Just like, okay.
Starting point is 00:16:06 Point taken. In other news, Carson Wentz is the quarterback of the present and future of the Philadelphia Eagles, which is good news for Eagles fans. Wence is still a great young player. He's dealt with some injury issues. However, a report out of Philadelphia, a Philly voice cited some unnamed players saying some not so nice things about Carson Wentz and stars for the Eagles were quick to come to Wentz's defense Lane Johnson, Zach Ertz, Fletcher
Starting point is 00:16:38 Cox, amongst the chorus saying don't listen to this hashtag fake news. Carson Wentz is a great teammate and a great guy and we're happy to roll forward. Mark, that was the roll forward with him, Mark, that was the right reaction for a team. that wants the controversies to go away. I think so, too. We talked about this a little bit on the Twitter show, and I think that today's NFL quarterback, they dug into the fact that this were some of the quotes
Starting point is 00:17:04 coming out of this piece, a piece that claimed to talk to more than half a dozen players and some sources, all who wanted to stay anonymous, because they feared Wenz's power within the organization. First of all, there are, like, at any point, 50 to 60 players you could talk to. Five or six is not a sample size for this.
Starting point is 00:17:22 kind of a story. That would be my one concern. But they kept rounding it back. They critique him as selfish, uncompromising, egotistical, one who plays favorites and doesn't like to be questioned, one who needs to practice what he preaches, fails to take accountability, and would complicate adding two plus two. So that's all fine. And some of that last one, they said that essentially he complicated the offense, which maybe that's something, there's something maybe to that. Instead of just running what Peterson says to run, that he overthinks it and asks all these questions. I thought they were saying he didn't know 2 plus 2.
Starting point is 00:17:56 Well, they said he would complicate 2. Well, he struggled on a state mandated math. That's why he went to South Dakota. My one thing would say that a lot of these, the mirror to these, all of us have these negative qualities, that the mirror to them are also positive. And a lot of those talk to me about a quarterback that's learning, that's behind the eight ball
Starting point is 00:18:15 after being an MVP candidate who then suddenly watch the backup quarterback become the star of the town, change the team's franchise history forever and then try to come back and get injured again and have the backup quarterback do it all over again. It's a tough situation to be in and I think we've forgotten a little bit about all the good elements that made Carson Wentz
Starting point is 00:18:32 one of the future stars of the league. All sources question for this article said that they wanted Carson Wentz to succeed. And I think my takeaway from this, there were two main problems that teammates had. Too often he didn't run the play concept as the coaches designed it, whereas Nick Fools did run it the way the coach has designed it.
Starting point is 00:18:50 and his head got a little bit too big after the year before. But I thought of Steve Young because the first criticism didn't run the play concept the way it's designed is a natural byproduct of running and escaping quarterbacks and latent the down improv quarterbacks. And Steve Young said he was exactly that way until he realized if I'm not running the play the way Bill Walsh designed it, my wide receivers are running routes for no reason. My offensive linemen are blocking for no reason. You have to be a good teammate and run the play away it's supposed to be run.
Starting point is 00:19:25 But isn't that just like, it's a necessary step for development and growth? Right. And he, like, it seemed like a big part of the complaint was all he did was throw the ball to Zacherts. So you could almost smell like who is it annoyed by Carson Wentz that he's not, you know, getting the ball as much, some receiver or whatever. This was a tough year for Wentz. There's no doubt about it. And I think the best thing it can happen is be another full year removed from the knee injury.
Starting point is 00:19:52 Hopefully the issue that he developed with his back is nothing that's going to hold him back in the off season. And Foles will be out the door, which is not a bad thing for Carson Wens. He really needs kind of a clean slate, which I don't think he ever had this year. No, I think that's true. And I think the way Foles led was real that he really did kind of inspire his teammates. And maybe Wenz learned something from that. And I think the Eagles know it too. and it really sounds, I've been digging, asking some people about this,
Starting point is 00:20:21 it really sounds like there's a bigger chance than I would have guessed that Foles is maybe going to allow the Eagles to trade him, that he would almost handpick who they trade him to. Because Philadelphia, I think, really wants to avoid him ending up with the Giants or Redskins, which are two of the three, four, five more, most likely teams to go after him. Larry Fitzgerald is coming back.
Starting point is 00:20:43 The wide receiver has signed a one, year deal with the Cardinals, 16th season, it will be this upcoming September for Fitzgerald. He turns 36 in August, easily the greatest player in franchise history for the Cardinals. And he finds himself Wes at an age where he finally, even though he's been around some bad quarterbacks of the years, finally his statistics started to kind of fall off a little bit. He'd kind of been statistic falloff proof for a while. This year dropped a 69 for 734 and 6 touchdown. Still nice numbers for sure.
Starting point is 00:21:19 But he is in the middle of a rebuild. So it's commendable that he just loves the game. He wants to be part of the Cardinals. He's not trying to go anywhere else. But he's certainly not in the Super Bowl race this late in his career. Yeah, he's not been a number one receiver for a few years as far as playmaking ability. I mean, he's still got great hands, still sells out, gives up his body on every play. He's a pro's pro.
Starting point is 00:21:41 But he's second to Jerry Rice. and a lot of stats, which is amazing considering Jerry Rice spent his career with Bill Walsh, Steve Young, and Joe Montana, and Larry Fitzgerald has spent way too many years catching passes from gibronies with other gibronies calling the plays.
Starting point is 00:21:58 Yeah, part of me was... That's a two-Jubroney take right there. Can I talk to get out of that. I mean, he is so embedded in the community in Arizona. He's the most famous player ever from that franchise. And so I get maybe why go somewhere else for that one year that maybe if you're not the best receiver
Starting point is 00:22:15 is a forgotten year somewhere else. But why, I feel just depressed that he won't have a chance to chase a title with a contender. One season of third. It's very much his chance. No, I know. I know, and he chose not to.
Starting point is 00:22:28 He's an institution there. Let's move on. Alex Smith spotted at a NBA game, the Wizards, I believe. He was checking out a Wizards game and he went down to the locker room and as you would imagine, there were reporters down there,
Starting point is 00:22:43 snapping photos and he had a gnarly leg brace one of those freaky ones where the wires are going into the leg and it's just it's medieval it's like the worst thing you'd want to have on your leg I mean it's technically the farthest thing from medieval because it's like the height of modern
Starting point is 00:23:02 medical technology but yes that's the height I think they've been using this for decades I did some research on this they've been using whatever this thing is where they can connect the bone because they had the infection. So they had to take out the internal rod and then put on this medieval device that they haven't changed the technology of it in decades.
Starting point is 00:23:23 Well, I still argue that even, all right, that's, and I know nothing about the technology in itself. I read about Dr. Chow. But to say that it's, you know, 20 years old or 19 years old, still does not tug us back to medieval times technically. Well, it was figure of speech. Okay. Anyway, long story short.
Starting point is 00:23:40 No, I think let's keep going with the medieval debate. That was good. Long story. Sure. Alex Smith is not out of the woods by any stretch in terms of surgery and rehab. And Bruce Allen, the Redskins GM, a day after Smith was spotted, could only offer this at the Senior Bowl during a practice in Mobile, Alabama. He's moving around and well on his way to recovery. It's a tough thing for him and his family.
Starting point is 00:24:04 All the love and care has helped him quite a bit. We'll see how it goes. We're optimistic. If anyone could come back, it's Alex. I'm sure he wanted to shoot hoops at the game. game yesterday, but we'll see. His contract is guaranteed for this year. So the Redskins have every, you know, motivation to try to help him along in his recovery.
Starting point is 00:24:24 But by the terms of the contract, they actually have to guarantee his next couple years by March. I would think they'll be able to work something out with the agent to put that date off, you would hope, or else they're in the spot where they kind of need to cut him. Because regardless, they can't really go into the season with him as their starter. They can't be county on that in April or May. Colt McCoy is also a free agent. I don't know if they really want Colt McCoy to be their starter.
Starting point is 00:24:47 So, I mean, they are a team if Nick Foles was available or Teddy Bridgewater, whoever, Joe Flacco, I don't know. You would think they're going to be one of those teams at the top of the list going for these guys. I'll go a step further. It's not just they can't count on him for the start of next year. They can't count on him to ever be an NFL starter level quarterback again. He's 35 years old. He was a problem for them competitively before the injury in that their offense
Starting point is 00:25:11 didn't have any element outside the numbers in downfield, and it was easy to defend their passing game. So much of his game is his athleticism and running ability, and who knows what that leg's going to be like. I also think that if you're Jay Gruden, you can't think, hey, let's talk 2020. How about, you know, author a winning season right now, or you're going to be the next one out the door? In other quarterback news, Drew Breeze, still smarting from Sunday's loss. But he's not ready to quit, Drew Breeze said that that overtime loss is not the end. He plots a return in 2019. Here's what Breeze said. I plan on being here next year and making another run at it via ESPN's Mike Triplett. And Breeze turns for it or he turned 40 this month. And he had one of his
Starting point is 00:25:59 best seasons statistically in 2018 and a year left on his contract, Greg. So none of this is particularly surprising. I guess you could only play the What if game. If they did go to the Super Bowl this year, if they won, would he feel differently? But that's not the case. He's, he's playing so well that I, and he loves the game so much. I think he's going to want to keep playing. There's no reason for not to. And I think the Saints are going to be back in that spot where they've been a few times. I mean, the report has basically been confirmed was they wanted to take Patrick Mahomes with the number 11 pick was that, or 13. I mean, so that's a high pick. They were ready to start thinking about the post- Breeze era. And I think
Starting point is 00:26:38 they'll be looking at this draft for quarterbacks, too? Wes, is there, oh, go ahead, Mark. Well, I was going to say there's been multiple drafts where we've gotten reports from Ian Rappaport saying that the Saints are, you know, fishing around for like a second round quarterback as the era pair of trees. And these guys have come and gone. Jimmy G was one of them. I mean, that's how long ago it was.
Starting point is 00:26:54 Don't you have to take a long, hard look at your Sean Payton at why the offense cratered and why Drew Bree's numbers went from MVP like to about the worst quarterback in the league over the low? Worst quarterback in the league. His passer rating was like. like 70 over the last what, six weeks? And there were no big plays down the field except the jump
Starting point is 00:27:13 ball to, who was that? Treyquan Smith or Tegan in the last game? I was going to say, Wes, that at what point do those limitations with his arm strength really catch up with him because they were on display a couple times down the stretch of this season? And he did throw, he had Dante Fowler right in his face
Starting point is 00:27:30 of course, but he threw the interception that set up the game ending kick from Legatron. You wonder is Breeze a candidate like a fall off the cliff candidate guy. Warren Sharp on Twitter posted a video of a hit that Drew Brees took in the Thanksgiving Day game against the Falcons. And there's no way of knowing whether they contributed to what happened down the stretch. But he did play like a quarterback who had a problem with his arm or was injured in some way. Maybe it's his rib cage or his oblique and he couldn't get enough in the ball. I think he can work around his limitations though. You know, they sure. Ultimately the 17, 18 game
Starting point is 00:28:02 stretch to me is the best way to measure. And over those 18 games, they were third in the league and in scoring and move the ball. But they might need the running game to be better. I mean, the running game did not show up for the most part in the playoffs. The defense has really improved, and I think that'll help them. Finally, in the news, the London Games have been announced. It's no longer the international series if you're following along at home. It's now called the London Games.
Starting point is 00:28:26 So what about the Mexico game? That's its own thing. Those are, it's an international game. Okay. But the branding, you see. Shout out to VP. Henry Hotson, NFL, UK, Hank. Yes, there is a Mexico game.
Starting point is 00:28:41 The Chiefs at Chargers, so they get another shot at it. Hopefully the field's a good shape. But the UK games, Panthers at Tampa Bay, Bears at Raiders, Bengals at Rams, and Texans at Jaguars. The games will be played at the Tottenham Hotspur's new stadium and two more at Wembley. What is the, what is the, Greg, what ties these teams? teams together. Chargers, Bucks, Raiders, Rams, Jaguars.
Starting point is 00:29:13 Teams with uncertain home field situations, like temporary or they're not great. They're okay getting up a home game. Yeah, they're not great at selling tickets for the most part. That's, I guess, it. Totally okay giving up that home game. Not all teams. The Packers aren't giving up a home game. No.
Starting point is 00:29:31 The bucks, the Jags, the Rams, the Raiders, the Chargers, eh, take a home game. Well, a lot of them also, now that I'm. thinking have team the ownership owns soccer teams in the UK at least three of bucks three of them that doesn't tie them all the bucks rams and jacks but three of them three of them three of them nice point i like the point but i was saying all five well the chargers are like they really don't have like a steady home i thought that was a nice nugget by me what nice it was fine it just wasn't quite what it wasn't like nancy drew 2.0 but i thought he connected some dots there thought it was more salient than the first point yeah really
Starting point is 00:30:07 Salient Salient By the way I put the salient Mark I'm going to help you out a little bit here September 7th 1986
Starting point is 00:30:17 Instant replay was used for the first time in a game It was gone after the 91 season It returned in 1999 Huh Wow it was out for eight And then it never
Starting point is 00:30:30 No more blips on the radar No See my memory of I was in a pool hall like when I watched this egregious non-replay play kills someone's season and I thought that it must have been but you don't know who it was that was back in games involved that was when you were a hustler this was a four o'clock this was a decade this was a four o'clock game what decade do you think it was Mark was just there like four in the afternoon he couldn't
Starting point is 00:30:56 even break the balls like he looked like he didn't know what it was happening no I would go oh let's play against this guy and then suddenly it suddenly I'd go to pool halls with other people and even play pool. I would just hang around on the fringe and watch the football. But I don't even, but clearly I have no memory of what else was happening at that time or that day. It's funny because you don't, I don't remember that from the 90s at all. But it's because the camera angles and HD and every in replays weren't as good because they're just, you didn't have the shots to even be filled with the outrage that you have now. You know what I mean? The big difference between 86 to 91 and 99 to present. And it is significant. This is coming from
Starting point is 00:31:34 our statistician. researcher slash producer Erica Tamposi. Instead of officials deciding when to implement a replay, coaches had the right to challenge. That was the change. Initially, the officials were making the decision. Don't remember that either. Which is strange.
Starting point is 00:31:49 No wonder it didn't work. Whoever's, if Riveron stays or wherever takes his spot, that's the guy who should be initiating. Take it out of the coach's hands. I know. We're probably not going to get a Ron Riveron. How did they do that when like we try to write up three games at the same time and I want like an assassin to take me out?
Starting point is 00:32:05 how does Al Riveron looking at like 12 games at the same time? I was speaking more for playoffs, but... All right, well, that works for playoffs. We're probably not going to get Al River on part three at the talent. We don't know. I don't know about that. He's been enjoying... You're probably not getting that assassin either,
Starting point is 00:32:21 which is we're all thankful for. Expensive. How can we mention pool holes without mentioning Dan's work at Lost and Found? I sent a guy... I sent home a guy that was potentially a ghost. He's Gatman Crothers, as we called him. He showed up, he played there every day, every night at Lost and Found with a, he brought his own stick in the leather casing and all that. And he was like, Junior, you want to break some balls with me?
Starting point is 00:32:47 He's talking about pool. And he thought I was just another mark. Sessler? I took him down. I buried him and then he just floated out of there like a, like some type of apparition. Apparition. Yeah. You broke him.
Starting point is 00:33:02 I sent him to hell. He didn't have that much. in his life and you took away one of the few things he had he had to go find he went to hanano after that clean up your remote control clutter in time for the super bowl with control center by cavo plug in your streamer sound system cable or satellite even your game console and control center does it all don't fumble with different remotes or run out the clock with messy search results just say what you want to watch and control center will take you straight there one universal voice remote controls it all so all you need to do is say watch any given sunday the movie and control
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Starting point is 00:34:41 I mean, you guys get on me for the low bar of breaking news here. I thought about this one, but it had been kind of out there for a week or so, so it felt a little stuff. It did not happen. He was only granted permission in the last 48 hours. The dolphins were... Speak to them. They wanted them. The dolphins were not granting permission, and then they cleared it.
Starting point is 00:34:59 What was the in-house tussle in Miami about that? Like, somewhere like, we've got to keep them. Got to keep dowel around. Well, it's this ridiculous rule where Brian Flores can't become the coach of the dolphins. So the dolphins, I guess I'm assuming, are like, well, let's just keep some people in the building just in case things are sideways. Pat and Oswald. Hey, when you can get the gang back together that created the 28th scoring defense in 2017 and then the 26th best scoring offense, I mean, rather an offense, you got to do it. Very funny.
Starting point is 00:35:32 Seriously. Really tired. Let's get to our next seg. This program is about unsolved mysteries. Whenever possible, the actual family members and police officials have participated in recreating the events. What you're about to see is not a news broadcast. Unsolved mysteries. of Super Bowl
Starting point is 00:36:03 53. You saw that this show is coming back on Netflix, right? Yeah, some people reached out to me about it said that, oh, you'd be interested in this. And yes, I am, but one thing you can't overlook with Unsolved Mysteries
Starting point is 00:36:20 and its original incarnation with Robert Stack from 86 to 90, whatever it was that it ran, was the aesthetic of that show, the time and place, the way it looked, way it sounded, and Robert Stack's voice and his, uh, the way he looked at front and center,
Starting point is 00:36:39 that's not easy to recreate. And did anybody see the, uh, the reboot they did with that other guy? No, no. Nobody. They tried to reboot this show already. It's hard to get back what is already passed, which was that late 80s, when people didn't really know things, you couldn't look things up, that vibe the way the recreations looked.
Starting point is 00:36:58 There's always kind of like a haunting element to it all and then Stack just standing in a graveyard. In a suit. You nailed this one. How many mysteries are there in the internet age? None. You can solve most of them just with a click of your mouth. Did you know that Raymond Burr and Carl Mulden preceded Robert Stack? Did not.
Starting point is 00:37:17 In initial incarnations of the show, because the first unsolved mysteries was like a special, right? It came right after the Giants Broncos Super Bowl. And it was on late at night where if you were a kid back then, you were lucky if you had like a little tiny television in your room. And like, I was watching the first ever episode. and it freaked me the F out and I was hooked forever
Starting point is 00:37:36 because there's always something is 87, so, I don't know, January, 36 years old, no, I don't know, a preteen, 12. Nobody remembers that Dennis Frina 2008 to 2010 reboot? No, but I remember Dennis Farina was on like Wise Guy or something, wasn't he?
Starting point is 00:37:53 Yeah, one of those shows. We also lost Dennis Frina. He has moved on to the next life, whatever that may be. I know that whatever showed Dennis Frina was on, my dad was happily watching To answer your question, though, Wes, I think there are plenty of mysterious elements in the world around us. Sure. But there are far fewer mysteries now than there weren't. All right. Nice set up, boys.
Starting point is 00:38:15 Now we will dig into some of the unsolved mysteries. I'll get this one going. I'll just start it out. You ready? Yep. Here's an unsolved mystery. Which Todd Gurley will we see on the first Sunday in February? you know, is it going to be the transcendent Hall of Fame caliber running back who has served as the face of the Rams offense in the McVeigh era or the Hamanager
Starting point is 00:38:42 Benchwarmer ride in the bike suddenly on even footing or less with a street free agent during the most important games of the season? Everybody keeps on saying
Starting point is 00:38:57 Oh, well, he was hurt. He's tired. You got to get his conditioning. West, nice points by you. But, you know, and Greg's like, oh, it's a big deal. Like, they have about the same touches. I was like, well, how about this? It's Todd Gurley, guys.
Starting point is 00:39:11 And he just disappeared from the game plan. Will he return? That's a mystery to me. I think he will because he matches up well with the Patriots. They've struggled all year. So now he's a matchup running back? In these playoffs, he has. He's not himself.
Starting point is 00:39:27 Like, why are we? Why? This is the elephant in the room. Why are we acting like this is like October time early? He made it. Here's the thing, though. He said he's healthy. He made a couple good.
Starting point is 00:39:35 That's not the same as being in shape and confident. Like, what is he like sitting on the couch for the past? Confidence is a running back coming off a knee injury. Here's the thing. Confidence. You can't tell me he wasn't explosive on that touchdown run against the Cowboys. Okay. So what about synchronicity?
Starting point is 00:39:51 He's got some juice. Right. You're part of the cover up, Wes. I think C. I think C.J. Anderson has played great, and Todd Gurley started that game, dropping passes and causing big time problems for his team. And so that's why he didn't play. And I think his speed to the outside is what you can do well against the Patriots. And that's what he brings. Well, yeah, except that you
Starting point is 00:40:11 give the Patriots two weeks to prepare for speed to the outside. And I don't, I'm not really buying into matchup problems for New England at this point. Suddenly the Patriots are like the greatest team of all time. They're going to win the Super Bowl. That's what they're going to do. That's already been decided. The last two weeks tell us that the best team in the league right now. The last Two weeks they have been. They've peaked. From a coaching angle, especially. Well, the public agrees with you.
Starting point is 00:40:31 The desert will take a lot of, we'll take a bath if that happens because the, the, the, the, oh, the public has been believing in the Patriots. Stop talking about gambling. Let's talk about Todd Gurley and his knee and whether he's healthy or not. I think you're saying, you're both saying two different things. Wes is saying this man is not right. And that explains all of this, whether the knee is still banged up or his conditioning got messed up or whatever.
Starting point is 00:40:55 He's just not the same guy. you're saying, Greg, that... He can be the same guy. He's just having a bad couple game. But it was a coaching decision to not utilize him as much because his skill set is more as an outside runner, which I don't quite buy it. Well, and he's not the same guy.
Starting point is 00:41:10 And as a receiver, which he dropped passes and struggled. He still played half the snaps. And I do think he just hasn't been as good as C.J. Anderson over the last month. I mean, C.J. Anderson's been great. He was the best skill position player in the NFL at midseason. He's obviously not the same guy right now. This is such an unscited.
Starting point is 00:41:26 Solve mystery. I think everything goes back to health, and we're not hearing about his. We don't have the truth on his health. Greg, you're up. You can lower that a little bit. Oh, I like that. How about the unsolved mystery, whether Grunk goes out a champion, whether he announces and how he's going to handle the retirement question throughout the week.
Starting point is 00:41:50 Are we going to know that this is Grankowski's last game? Are we not going to know? And then Ian Rappaport reports it on the Sunday morning before. Is he going to get the Strayhan or Bettis moment or something lesser? Like the year that the Patriots held their celebration party, even though they lost to the Giants in 2012. And I was in my hotel room in Indianapolis hearing that music play and then eventually watching videos of grong dancing at that party the next morning.
Starting point is 00:42:24 I hope that's not the way it happens. My guess would be whatever route is the least, offers the least amount of drama to the Patriots. I just don't think that he wants to turn it into such a subplot or the team does where it's an issue. I don't think it would be either. I think we know he's going to retire essentially, don't we? We think we do.
Starting point is 00:42:45 I mean, that's where it's all pointing, but no one's really come right out and set it. He doesn't strike me as, oh, if we get nipped in the Super Bowl, I've got to come back and win another. He just doesn't. If they win, I think it's absolutely curtains. I think he's got like an energy drink empire to build and he's ready to do it.
Starting point is 00:43:01 And his body is completely beat up. I know he's played really well. He was an amazing blocker two weeks ago and he was a nice receiver this past week. But his body is still. Tremontor. What a blocker. Last two.
Starting point is 00:43:15 Amazing blocker. How many times can you go under the night? Like at what point is your body? I mean, it sounds like the guy it's hard for him just to play football. football at this point. So it would not be a surprise if he retires, right? No, I think we're, I'm expecting that.
Starting point is 00:43:29 You're thinking how he does it. Yeah, how he does it, how it's handled during the week. And then certainly how it, you know, if they win or lose how it happens after the game. But it would be great to see him go out in a blaze of glory. Mark, how about an unsolved mystery from you? All right. I want to know what from the wilderness evil controversy will be unleashed on the Patriots most likely smack dab this Sunday morning with one dangerously long Super Bowl week to go.
Starting point is 00:43:58 A controversy that forces us to reflect on SpyGate and Deflate Gate while prompting 4,000 journal's heads to explode as their precious flock of pre-written think pieces are sent into the abyss forever as editorial deaths around the nation dissolve into panic over this latest Patriots false flag event, which is treated not unlike a third Gulf War. What Pat's controversy will arise? me pour one out for Robert Stack. I have a theory. Somebody will leak something time. The beginning of SpyGate was, of course, the Rams Patriot Superbill.
Starting point is 00:44:36 Yes. Bill Belichick cheated and he taped practices of the Rams preparing for the Super Bowl, which allowed him to then short circuit one of the great offenses of all time, leading to the first Pat's win. someone That was all nonsense someone connected to that videotaping scandal
Starting point is 00:44:58 these tapes under lock and key I think we were told they were destroyed they are going to show up I love it well that's like an unsolved mystery's update when they tell you what happened on the other end of mystery I thought you were going to say
Starting point is 00:45:11 like someone from that era is going to start talking and I would say well that's already been solved I think Mike Martz and Dick Vermeel are actually at podiums right now in Atlanta speaking. There's no one there, but they're just complaining about the Patriots in general, and they're just waiting for everyone to show up
Starting point is 00:45:28 so that they can talk about it. That's my prediction. I love that. The tapes will show up. It's a bold prediction. It's a perfect like bookend. A lot of Mike Marks. I'm smelling a lot of Marts this week.
Starting point is 00:45:38 Who gets the tapes? Jay Glazer? Let's see. That's a good. It won't be Ian because it can't be anyone connected to the league. Right. Shefty, obviously, is a guy you can get. it.
Starting point is 00:45:49 Glazer, he has so many. I'm going to go with Shephty. Shefty with one of the bigger scoops he's had in a while. Big, big prediction by you. All right. Wes, you got one? Yeah, here's an unsolved mystery. You know, going back over a decade now,
Starting point is 00:46:04 smart people, way smarter than us, have said, the way to stop Tom Brady is pressure up the middle, as if that's not the way to stop any quarterback who ever played. Fair. He hasn't been hit And he hasn't been sacked in two playoff games The interior of the Patriots' offensive line is their strength And now they go up against the defensive player of the year
Starting point is 00:46:29 And Indomacan Sue, who's playing as well as he's played all year What happens? Not if, but when Tom Brady finally gets hit Because it's coming. Aaron Donald is not going to be shut out And Domic and Sue is not going to be shut out from hitting Tom Brady. This is a guy who, for five years,
Starting point is 00:46:50 we were astonished that he had reversed aging to the point where his pocket movement actually improved late in his 30s and early 40s. And this year for the first time, we saw the opposite of that. We saw him flinch. We saw him turn his shoulders. We saw him shy away from contact.
Starting point is 00:47:06 What happened? Now, can I offer that we have evidence? History, as you say often, Wes is instructive. When you do hassle Tom Bray, Brady. He is not nearly nearly as effective. So it's not really an unsolved mystery.
Starting point is 00:47:22 Are we going to see the... Well, last year, though, I would say they did a good job getting after him in the Super Bowl. They had to sack them once. Right, but they were all over him throughout the game and he kind of beat them anyways. Are we going to see the November Brady playing through an MCL injury? Or are we going to see the guy who
Starting point is 00:47:37 looks pretty comfy in the pocket? I think the latter. It's tough to tell because he... The Chargers game, the game plan, like never allowed for him to get hit. He got rid of the ball so quickly. Last game, a lot of that was his own pre-snap savvy, and some of it was the offensive line too,
Starting point is 00:47:54 but he, what it was it, 97 plays they ran? And he got grazed by Chris Jones's hand on his face mask, and that's it. We're not getting MCL Brady. Is Brady on the injury report from that shot to the face mask? You know, sometimes they don't reveal these injuries, but I guarantee he's been feeling that ever since. Mark has been reliving that play again and again.
Starting point is 00:48:15 for some reason. Chris Jones? Stuck in your cry. That bothered me legitimately was bothersome. All right, one more round. Here's an unsolved mystery. What is Tony Romo going to do
Starting point is 00:48:30 as a follow-up to the AFC championship game? No announcer has ever received praise at this level. In real time. Maybe after a guy dies, you know, a guy croaks and all of a sudden, you know. If there was the internet in the Madden days, he might have. but it just wasn't there.
Starting point is 00:48:47 He was one of the biggest stories in football on Sunday. On a day in which both games to decide the Super Bowl went to overtime. That's a fact, Jack. And it shows us a couple things. One, how incredible Romo is at the job. It's just you can't dispute that either. He's just a natural. Like the way Ted Williams was with a baseball bat in his head.
Starting point is 00:49:11 That's Romo with the mic. Number two, how the viewing habits of fans have become more attuned to this type of stuff. We now, and for all the ills of social media, the fact that the communal nature of watching these telecasts, everybody likes to talk about Romo in real time now. So it was like a perfect storm for the Romo love. But Romo knows this because he's been getting bombarded with interview requests and he reads all this stuff and his agents calling him and patting him on the back. What does Tony Romo do for an encore?
Starting point is 00:49:45 Does he potentially get a little bit, you know, nervous? Will his performance, because CBS has the Super Bowl, will his performance a week from Sunday suffer because of all the hype and just, you know, all the applauding of his performance will he suffer? I think he's a natural and it doesn't enter his mind. like he's not someone to second guess himself because it comes so naturally to him and I love Remo
Starting point is 00:50:17 I think he's the best analyst I've heard in any sport ever but I would say people shot across Bob Costas his bow by the way he's not an analyst people over I'll accept the point
Starting point is 00:50:31 people overrate his ability to predict when a play is going to happen and underrate what he sees before the snap that the quarterback is going through as opposed to calling the exactly right play, I think. My one area, if you talk about nerves,
Starting point is 00:50:47 which I don't think he's really prone to the way that some do, some over-prepare and they come in with all this pre-packaged stuff that they force down your throat. Romo doesn't do that. Romo lets the game come to him, which I think if it's a good game, you're going to get vintage Romo. The one area, if there was one little correctable thing, and other people love this about him.
Starting point is 00:51:06 This is where I sometimes can take it down a notch is his excitement is so up in the sky that it's like, all right, cool, chill just a little bit. But that's a very minor, minor critique because he is as close to perfect. I agree with Greg, though. I think if you had Madden, back in the day when you realized,
Starting point is 00:51:24 when he first came on the scene. Not when he became a sort of ace hardware guy with his statements boom and all this, when he was showing you stuff, and he was writing books as well that were teaching people about football in a way they never had, he was a teacher.
Starting point is 00:51:37 And before he became, you know, the latter stage's version of him, He would have been getting some of this as well. Those early books are great, by the way. People always ask us for book recommendations of football books, and we never think to recommend those early Madden books are fun. There's no question when Madden came on in the scene in, like, 1980. He was hailed like Romo is now.
Starting point is 00:51:58 To me, the one big difference between them is that Madden was an expert on the interior, on the trenches. And he would tell you things about the offensive line that people never knew. whereas Romo's seeing the game through the quarterback's eyes, just as fans are seeing it through the quarterback's eyes, and I think that takes it to another level. That is a great point, Christopher. How about Pat Summerall, an ex-player, doing play-by-play? Now, that's countercultural.
Starting point is 00:52:24 That was, and he was great at. Frank Gifford. Did it get that with that, too? Wes, give us an unsolved mister. Is Nicoluby Coleman ready to take the spotlight again? because nobody can keep Julian Edelman in check in the Super Bowl. In any Super Bowl, this guy has been unstoppable because of his mind meld with Tom Brady, his quick-cutting ability, he's route running, his punt return ability once he catches the ball.
Starting point is 00:52:55 Marcus Peters and Akeep-Talib are too physically big to hang with Julian Edelman in covers. They're not quick enough. On those route adjustments where you've got to see it through Tom Brady's eyes, you need a 5-foot-8 lightning bug, jitterbug, like Nicolobie Coleman. And I think he's the only guy who can hang with Edelman in coverage. The guy that in a full-on panic, like, basically blew the season for his team and got bailed out by two completely in over their head official. I'm nervous about that.
Starting point is 00:53:25 Brady said they've played their best four games of the year in a row. And three of those, they've, and I think one of the, maybe the number one reason other than Brady is Edelman returning to his. form. And he said it on his t-shirts, you know, bet against us, Dan, to the point where you talked about it, his shirt so much that someone from his apparel company or he heard it on the podcast and he's sending us some bet against us. So maybe we can all wear that. We can all wear it at the Super Bowl. How pathetic is that that Edelman? I think it's great. What was a naked attempt to profit off the fans on a completely completely be-out.
Starting point is 00:54:05 Yes, you know, this theory that somehow everyone was against the Patriots. People were against them. Whether they respected it or not is different, but they were against them. And if you're listening, Julian Edelman's people. Oh, here we go. You know what? We don't watch your shirts. I want them.
Starting point is 00:54:20 No. We all want them. We don't sell out. Everyone wants them. Everyone wants them except Dan. Our podcast doesn't accept free things to Curry favor. You do not even think about sending me a shirt. I mean, my kids are four toddler.
Starting point is 00:54:33 I don't know if you have any little ones. But I don't want your t-shirt, Julian Edelman. I don't want anything from you. I'll take yours. Greg? Let's hear that music. I feel like we have so much time and place to talk about the game. I'm thinking more about off the field.
Starting point is 00:54:56 How is Aetown? How is A-Town going to be as a Super Bowl city? And how is A-Town going to show up for us Thursday night? during our live show. To me, that's the unsolved mystery that's most in my heart. What is that night, that experience, going to be like? And in general, what kind of Super Bowl City? Because Atlanta gets a lot of heat as one of the great American underrated cities.
Starting point is 00:55:19 I want to see if they come with it. Especially Thursday night at City Winery. Is it going to be kind of a raucous Atlanta crowd? I think that's what they bring. One early favorable sign is that we have listeners, one of them Ian Smith, already sending along blogs and top 10 lists for breweries, bars, and telling us which ones not to go to. If you go to my Twitter page, there is an article like Kyle Castorneck.
Starting point is 00:55:46 If you're a media person going to Atlanta, he lists his way to survive and thrive in Atlanta as a beer drinker. And who's been sending us recommendations? Kyle Smith. A fellow named Ian Smith sent along this article. And so he cares about us. That's very helpful. Breaking news again? Dowell Loggins fired by the Jets.
Starting point is 00:56:08 Four minutes ago. What? Breaking news. My mom, who I'm not sure, has ever listened to an episode of our podcast, I think she's driving down from Cincinnati and going to City Winery Thursday night to watch us. Oh, this is Wesley? How far of a drive is that? It's like seven hours.
Starting point is 00:56:27 Oh, it's that close. Wow. She might lie. Who knows? She's retired now. Who knows what she is. This is Wesley. admirable.
Starting point is 00:56:35 Yeah. Is it Debbie Wesley? Kate. Kate Wesley. Does she need, like, you know, someone to split the driving up with her? I feel like this could be a buddy road trip comedy. One of our listeners, your mom, heading down to the show. She's got six sons.
Starting point is 00:56:49 If you are in the Cincinnati area and you are driving down to Atlanta, you know, hit Wes up. Well, I mean, Kate's been known to take off in her car from Cincinnati drive down to Longboat Key, Key, Florida, which is like 15 hours on her. Wow. I like that. Just on a whim. She just hops in. Yeah. I love it.
Starting point is 00:57:06 She's not scared. One more. Did you go, Greg? Yeah. You did. It was a very good. All right. Here we go.
Starting point is 00:57:14 All right. The Atlanta thing. I agree, though. I hope it's a good town. It's going to be cold. One annual unsolved mystery as we head into Super Bowl week, also like Greg's off the field. That's right. The over-under drink count for Chris Wesleyan.
Starting point is 00:57:29 We get it. He's a lot, mostly a wine drinker now. some of the shenanigans of old are gone but what can we expect where do we set the over under how will an amped up paramour affect the count and what if Barshan Lynch were to tweet out another
Starting point is 00:57:44 image of his cleats hanging cutely on a wire to announce his second retirement throwing West into a fit of rage when he has asked to drop everything he's doing to write a newser that perilously mimics what he was asked to write during Super Bowl 50 how about the X factor surrounding a bus of bearded
Starting point is 00:58:00 hoodlums from Huckapoo's descending on on Hot Lanna and stealing Wes away into the night. What is the over-under, Mr. Wine Drinker? Well, can I ask a question before anyone even answers? Are we including his sojourn to Tybee Island that's going to take place after the Super Bowl? No, no, no, no. Through what I would consider Monday morning or the end of any drinking on Monday night into morning. I don't think I'm the drinker I was.
Starting point is 00:58:32 before it can't. No. Noted? No. I mean, first of all, I can't drink beer. Well, I could. It's just not enjoyable anymore. But I also, I think I've learned a little bit better when to say when. And I do have to take my health into consideration. So there aren't going to be like, I don't think there's going to be a lot of like double-digit nights. That's why I think it's newsworthy because it marks what I would expect to be a, I won't say drastic because, please. Do you remember London, Wes? Yeah, I was going to say. There are like, average. I was going to say this is regular season West talking and regular season West takes his job very seriously.
Starting point is 00:59:10 And there's also offseason West, which even post-cancer, I feel like, was maybe a little bit different of an animal. Now, Super Bowl Week is in that strange purgatory in between. It's definitely not the off-season, but it's a little different. We're on the other side of Wes's prime as a drinker. And I'm just blessed to have been there. The gradual decline is hit. And I'm proud. to have been there for a part of that prime, which was enduring.
Starting point is 00:59:37 It was Tom Brady and it's enduring nature. But, yeah, especially once you went away from beer, because that was one of my favorite things about pre-cancer West, that you were like one of those guys who could drink like 30 beers in one setting like Wade Boggs flying on a cross-country. Andre the Giant. Yeah, road trip. You had that ability.
Starting point is 00:59:56 But when you're drinking wine. They have a word for that. When you're drinking wine and you're drinking vodka and things, things of that nature. You just can't, the numbers are not going to be as impressive. I would say in my defense, as far as Greg's word for it, where I come from on the west side of Cincinnati and Tybee Island, the way I drink or drank is not unusual in any way. Maybe Greg's word was judgmental.
Starting point is 01:00:19 I buy that. Wait, but I'm putting the number at 100. For the week? Yes. That feels low. No, you take the under, definitely on that. A hundred wine glasses. You're not in the minor leagues as a drinker, I'm not buying that.
Starting point is 01:00:35 Greg's word is probably right if you hit 100 in Atlanta. Oh, come on, Les. We're hitting 100. I almost had to, like, ask about the presence of Erica as another X-Fact. Because I think it does update the fun quotient. That's true. No, it adds more fun. She's also having a dry January.
Starting point is 01:00:53 Yeah, so it's going to be terrible. I can't wait. You're going to be like a college freshman that's never had a drink and just getting unleashed. It's going to be amazing. Wait, are you going to be amazing. is your driest January include Atlanta? Yeah, it's over.
Starting point is 01:01:06 We're over. Yeah, let's be real. She is like a lit match and y'all are kindling and she's just going to... Well, you can't drink as many wines as you drink beers because wines are stronger.
Starting point is 01:01:20 So that's a factor. That's true. Yeah, it's probably under. I hope so. We'll monitor. Not a good situation. If you drink 110 glasses of wine When we're in Atlanta, you are Andre the Giant.
Starting point is 01:01:32 No, you're right. I was thinking of pre-cancered me and beer. What about like vodka sodas though? No. Four or five a night. Here's the problem. I make my own Tito's at home. The math doesn't add up, then I don't put a lot of Titoes in it because I don't enjoy the taste.
Starting point is 01:01:46 And then when I go to bars, it's like, holy crap, all you, it's just straight vodka. So, I mean, you know, you'd be needing to drink like 13 glasses of wine a night. No, that's not going to happen. Once again, you remember London. All right. What happened is London stays in London. Yeah, Erica, please. Okay.
Starting point is 01:02:06 That's it. That's it for California shows before the end of the season. We will be on a plane this weekend, all of us getting into Atlanta on Sunday and Monday. And again, here's the schedule. Tuesday, our next podcast. So look out for that from Radio Row. We'll be doing all our shows in Atlanta. the convention center.
Starting point is 01:02:31 Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, we will be doing a live NFL.com video show, which you can get, I believe it streams on the homepage of NFL.com. And we're going to have a ton of elite level guests. We could tease it. Can we tease some right now? I don't know if we should, because I don't know if they, maybe, I don't know. These are some big time players. You know what we can do it.
Starting point is 01:02:55 We'll do it on Tuesday. Just know a lot of big stars will be speaking. Can I give some hints? Drop a hint. Go ahead. Well, there are several all pros. There's at least one Hall of Famer. There's another Hall of Famer and another sport.
Starting point is 01:03:09 Oh. Yeah. Well, there is some buzz that we make at a very genuine rookie of the year candidate as well. Ooh. And also someone whose name rhymes with a badger Jeddell. No, I'm just that's not true. So we'll do three NFL.com shows that will stream. on the homepage. Thursday night, of course, our live show at City
Starting point is 01:03:33 City Winery, join us there. And then, of course, on Sunday night after Super Bowl 53, after a 37-16 Patriots Conquest, we will talk about New England's latest Super Bowl conquest. Stop. What? It's been foretold. The team is peaking. The Rams lucky to even be in the building. Let's face it. This is going to be a blowout. It should have been one of our unsolved mysteries. how are you do you keep the Patriots
Starting point is 01:04:00 under 28 points by halftime the way they've been Mark's right the coaching has been incredible the game plans they've been driving I mean not just the coaching every phase
Starting point is 01:04:09 this team is now taking it to the next level now nobody's underrating them and you have a problem with it yeah Julian Edelman's people send your little t-shirts
Starting point is 01:04:21 because I know you have a ton of overstock because nobody bought that garbage send it to everyone else send it to everybody else else but do not even think of addressing one to the old zooser i don't want it send rickie too don't sell me says the guy who locked them up hmm hey julian delivered that lock for you i got the lock i get it if people are trying to sell me steal or stuff i would be throwing it right in the
Starting point is 01:04:44 fireplace oh but you would maybe give it to your your friends or maybe no homeless i guess i don't spread that no and dan doesn't like the home can always use kinling all right that's it we're on to Atlanta they like that great love it what a great life Dan Hans is signing off for a quiet storm the mailman the old boss and Ricky Hollywood behind the glass whatever Edelman to Atlanta Hey everybody, Daniel Jeremiah here. And I'm Bucky Brooks. On Move to Six, we take you inside the game from breaking down college prospects and NFL rookies to evaluating team building philosophies, coaching trends, and how front offices construct winning rosters.
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