NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Veterans on the roster bubble

Episode Date: February 16, 2017

A room filled with heroes - Dan Hanzus, Marc Sessler, Chris Wesseling & Gregg Rosenthal – discuss all the latest news from around the NFL including the Jaguars resigning backup quarterback Chad Henne, and the 49ers hiring Robert Saleh as their new defensive coordinator. Then, the heroes throw out some veteran names that could be hitting the open market this offseason, and talk about possible landing spots for the players they think will be cut.Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. The Around the NFL podcast is not hosted by Robert Kraft. Welcome back to another edition of the Around the NFL podcast. My name is Dan Hansis, and I am joined by a room filled with heroes. Mark Sessler, Chris Wessling, and Greg Rosethol. What's up, boys? Hey, Dan. Starting to have a little bit of concern, you know, in reference to that,

the money drop at the top of the show that the Patriots will be going to the White House now because why would you be concerned about that because I have a sandwich a prop based on that I said a sandwich prop and I think deal with it me so phony peeps and I think that now that craft is addressed it and Brady's addressing okay you know it's not it's overblown it sounds like going to the White House at Mark, you're going to get a sandwich out of it. Congratulations. Well, I will accept a sandwich. Although at this point, I owe you so many as well.

I don't know how this all shakes up. It's a little early. They traditionally go when, you're in June or July, something like that. You know, lock it happen. Right? You got to make sure Trump's there. You know, is he going to be in the White House to welcome in? Hey, it might make sure he's not there.

You might want to make sure he's not there. I'm just saying, oh, that's a good point. If they did a trip with a new president, does that count? Well, you know, these are all things that, you know, down the line. You never know what happens in society, Mark. No, you do not. Why do you keep throwing any sort of awkward transition you throw to me to handle and pick up the pieces? Because I don't feel like I don't want to get involved with Donald Trump being the White House.

Nor do I want to conversation. Throwing it to me. No, we're not. I'm not speculating. I'm just saying on the list of things that are possible, that's one of them. I think it's more likely than us not having a Super Bowl, which had a sandwich prop attached to it. Ooh, throwing that back in Marks face.

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I wish I could enroll in this class In The Hague, the Netherlands I think you can It would be like one of those 80s high school movies Where the 40-year-old guy is in the class With all the teens Right, that's how Fast Times at Ridgemont High was written Oh, is that what the...

He went back to school and wrote about his experience Fast Times at Ridgemont High Classic, 1982 I've never seen it Really? Wow. Where does that fit? Wes, in the Uncle Humor Hall of Fame.

Well, I think a lot of people would have that on Mount Rushmore, but you would consider it Uncle Humor. It is Uncle. People my age love it. That's good. I like Fast Times. Okay. Just like Revenge of the Nerds on yesterday.

Get those nerds! Nerds! Nerd! I had a, the first, it might be the first R-rated movie I ever saw was Revenge of the Nerds. I was at like a sleepover. And we watched the movie in the downstairs area. Sure.

And there was. Quite a bit of nudity. That's how you learn about life. Downstairs movies. And some filthy language, very adult themes. It's a college, for those that don't know Revenge of the Nerds, it's a college comedy about these nerds who rise up through all this turmoil and strife to kind of take over. I think it was Adams College.

Wow. It was a very popular subgenre. The college or high school goes awry. I convince my mom with a couple of friends to rent faces of death. Parts 1 and 2 from you did. That really wasn't part of that genre. Age of video back then. Yeah, that's scary.

Well, she was upstairs, you know, oh, I'll make some nice finger sandwiches for everyone. We're downstairs watching monkeys' heads being hit by hammers. It was crazy. Although it's still in the memories are still in my head. It was a horrible film. And just this should tell you how much times have changed, just like the AstroTurf in a Super Bowl 37 or, you know,

insert X here of something that's ancient that we can't connect with anymore. In Revenge of the Nerds, one of the great conquests of the nerds is installing hidden cameras in the locker room of, like, the Theta's bathroom. And it's like a major point of, like, success today. Well, they stole that from Porky's. Well, there's an uncle. That's Uncle humor. Yeah. But anyway, today you're going to prison for that.

Yeah, they were sexually assaulting those. Right. Then it was like Hardy Har. Then it's like, oh, look at these, like, these cute neighborly boys that we think are, you know, they're upstanding. They're a little frisky. We got to move on, but that's not even the best of that genre. Summer School, number one. Very good.

And then back to school, Rodney Dangerfield. I would maybe go to me. Back to schools. That's good. That's when he's the diving guy. Summer school. Summer school is great. The great Dean Cameron, he ruled that summer school. Oh, Cameron Crow, that's the name I was searching for earlier from Fast Times at Ridgemont High.

He's the one who went back to school as an adult. We've lost everyone in our audience that was born after 1989. They're all gone now. So all you old-timers that are still at the show, we respect you and we thank you for your patience. Today's show. Way to figure out how to download podcast. Remaining listeners. Today's show is a good one.

I like today's show because one of the good things about this time of year, even though it's a slow period, there are some really good stuff coming out of the NFL.com around the NFL group. And one piece that we're going to talk about, Greg has been busy all week working on, veteran names on the bubble. You're on the bubble. Every year you have your little cute columns that you bring back and they're kind of part of

the essence of Greg. You're rolling back. You know, I think... The essence of Greg. I think, you know, an unbiased observer would maybe find what you just said condescending, little

columns. But I don't take it that way. I know your heart is pure. Mark, how are you doing By the way, before we get into the show, I know that even though the seasons are we're still in the office every day and doing a lot of work, I would think it back at home that your wife probably expected you to be more available, but we're still cranking away doing the work that we need to do. Yeah, I'm generally...

Welcome to the NFL Offs. Combine, three, draft, nightclub race. Keep grinding, Sessler. Is Daddy ever coming back? Yeah, I feel annoyed, mostly. That's how I'd phrase it Still had time to go hit the town With old Wes

Last Saturday We did We had quite a nice time Fill up your gas bags With a little bit of fuel That's what they say I don't know if that's how I'd phrase it That is

That's Fill up your gas bags Let's do some news Sid We really do have An opportunity to change the way We all experience art I gave all you listeners out there

homework assignment to watch the title Greg's beloved title their opening press conference and that was the great Beyonce speaking in a very reserved manner about the streaming service Well you know what

I didn't waste time watching that video Why would I watch it? I didn't say that you should watch it You already know what you got yourself into You've gotten yourself into bed with the wrong streaming service I think that's very clear. This is one of the

weirder debates between you two. And I mean, I glad. I don't understand it. This is one I don't get. Can I, I want to read one more, Beyonce quote from that press conference. This collaboration, and she's like sitting next to the Daph Punk guy with the helmet on,

and they're all sitting at a press conference table. No one's smiling. Beyonce, this collaboration feels so egoless. That's the word I'd use I'd just say Be careful you get into bed with It is, it does seem to It does seem to ruffle Greg's feathers a little bit

It does annoy you're a little bit I don't know if this room needs to be calling out other people For being ego Oh, oh okay, yeah Is that NFL network Greg Rosenfall? Point taken I love that one

By the way, if you want to send in your own NFL networks Greg Rosenthal, just like that was a fan submission. Please do. Send it in, hook up with Sydney, and maybe if it's not total crap, it will get on the show. So like a sound drop, not like put me in an envelope. Don't put borders around people's creativity, Greg. Make sure you send it through title so Greg sees it. Let's start with it.

Hey, this is where you always want to start, the Jacksonville Jaguars, who, you know, we already We've been talking about this. The last couple of weeks, the Blake Bortles rejuvenation machine is firing up. We're going to hear a lot of stories about how Blake is ready to come back. But then there is the actual football side of it. Where would the Jaguars stand on Bortles after a miserable 2016 season? We got a little hint about how the Jaguars really feel about Bortles on Wednesday because the Jaguars and their backup quarterback, Chad Hennie,

agreed to a restructured contract. Henny looks like he took or most likely took a little bit of a pay. hay cut. But it keeps him in Jacksonville. They're doing business with another quarterback that's not Blake Bortles. Chad Hennie, Greg, hasn't thrown a pass in almost three years. And that seems to point in the direction of they are getting in bed with Blake one more time. This is, this caught my eye just because the word doubling down on Blake Bortles has been a theme from the minute this offseason ended from their coaching hire to their public statements to everything. and this just says we're running it back.

We're bringing back the same three quarterbacks. Bortles is going to have no competition. Maybe they draft someone. I think that would be a good idea. But it's surprising to me because you could get to week three and he could look like the same Blake Bordels as last year and then you could think, oh my God, we have 14 more games to play and we're all going to get fired.

You can't have a newcomer come in and steal a show. If Chad Hennie couldn't get off the bench last year, he's never getting off the best. It's nothing to do with Chad. Hennie. It just shows that they're not going to bring in anyone to even pretend to compete with it. I also think, yeah, Henny never got in a game. I think there was a shock in that building probably about how much Blake Bortals regress.

I think a lot of people were surprised about what transpired. And to me, this is not that surprising because the GM is still in the house, Caldwell. And I would think Bortles was his baby. If Bortles fails again, yes, your season is going down the drain. But I think he's the fall guy. and maybe Doug Marone, who probably doesn't have the safest security of new coaches out there. But it also is Tom Coughlin has the ability to kind of take this season to try to continue to rebuild this roster or tweak it the way he needs to.

And getting one more big, clear look at Bordles makes sense to me because of the promise he showed before this year. And I don't think it precludes them from drafting someone at all. They took a six-rounder last year. They could get rid of him and keep someone else. It's like they're not bringing someone into challenge. Blake Bortals. That's the overriding obvious message. I don't think so.

I would have been surprised if they went and took someone in the second round to compete openly with Bortles after all the lip service that we've gotten from the team since they made their decision at keeping the GM and the coach. It seems like once you kept David Caldwell, who is Bortle's guy, that it had another full year mandate. Greg, if Hennie doesn't do much for you as a guy that's a competitor, and I guess that. I used to kind of like that, who's out there on the open market that you would want who maybe dance with as somebody,

Ryan Fitzpatrick type. Maybe he's an upgrade, but it's all the same type of character. That's fair. That's fair that the Nick Foles, which we'll get to later, and Kaepernick or whoever it's going to be that you would pick up wouldn't be overly exciting.

Let's move on, check in with the San Francisco 49ers, who earlier this week landed their new defensive coordinator. NFL networks Mike Garifolo reported that Robert Salah. silly somebody help me out i think you did fine with with both it's a mix between those salet salah salah sad don't look at me well robert will fill the position under new head coach kail shanahan uh so the the 49ers

continue mark to put their staff together who is robert so well he worked with Kyle Shanahan and Houston for a number of years and went on to work with the Seattle Seahawks and the Jacksonville Jaguars. And so I think he's a known quantity of Kyle Shanahan. And I, you know, maybe part of the reason that he's a defensive coordinator a little bit earlier than some thought he might be is that you're hiring your staff after the Super Bowl. And you're obviously not going to keep anyone from the defensive staff that was there last year. They're all gone. So it comes down to, you want to at least have someone that you have ties with, someone that you know and you trust you can work with, maybe that's what happened here.

Yeah, I think every prospective coach has built relationships through the years, and these guys probably talk constantly about, hey, when I get a job, you're going to be on my staff, and I think this is exactly what I'm. But this is the risk of, and it was worth it, you know, for the 49ers to get Kyle Shanahan, but this is the risk of hiring a guy too late. I mean, I think they would have, Kyle Shanan would have loved to have Robert Salah on his staff. I don't think he wanted him as his defensive coordinator.

The guy was a quality control coach three years ago. Right. He's never been a coordinator. And Kyle Shanahan, this is the thing that can trip up first time head coaches. There were reports he tried to hire Vic Fangio away from Chicago. They wouldn't let it happen. And you're ending up with kind of backup picks at your coaches. The only argument against any risk of hiring,

if it's Shanahan or the coach that you want the most who's coming out of the Super Bowl, that's what the Falcons did with Quinn. I would never, I don't like the trend if we've got to get our coach two weeks earlier, and it's not the guy we want as much. I would always go after the guy that you believe in the most. Even if you, maybe that first year or two, you don't, they can replace some of these staff members next off season. Right, it's just a very green, it's going to be a green staff learning as they go.

I may not know how to pronounce Roberts. Sala, I mean, most likely. But I do know, Vic, Raja. Moving on. Hey, Roddy White, out of football this past season. but not out of the public eye. The former Falcons wide receiver believes that he could have saved his former team, the Falcons, from their infamous now Super Bowl loss,

if not for Kyle Shanahan's questionable play calling in his opinion. In fact, Roddy White came out strong against Kyle Shanahan, now the coach of the 49ers. Here's his quote to the Atlanta Journal Constitution, this week. I'm glad I wasn't a part of that team because I probably literally would have fought him. The guy is drunk.

You destroyed a dream for a city. It's bigger than me. The city of Atlanta needed that championship and you had it. Arthur Blank needed that championship and he deserved to win that game with everything he's been through. It was finally our time to win

and it just hurt me that we didn't get it done. Wes, well, we'll start here. We've talked about this. West you don't you disagree that Kyle Shannon did anything wrong that's that's not my stance what was your your was your stance was that he could have called it differently it was one of many many factors that upended the Falcons it was not the lone thing that he bears all responsibility for their loss that and this is totally unfair of white I think to put it all on Kyle Shannon I totally agree but I think what he was getting at I think what a lot of people

there are a lot of different things that this boils down to but I think when everyone looks back of this game, it will be first and 10 at the 22 after the Julio Jones catch and their decision to pass the ball, take the sack, then get a holding penalty. And Roddy White's pointing to that directly as being the reason why they lost the Super Bowl.

It's a lazy. It's a highly annoying example of that just because you played football and they love to say you didn't play the game, that just because you played football doesn't mean your analysis of what happens after you leave the game is necessarily going to be sharp. It's a ridiculous comment.

And I would say this, that Roddy White, his exit, allowed for the team to bring in Muhammad Sanu, to bring in Taylor Gabriel, and to get into year two of Caharanhan's offense, and how much better they were with Roddy White had his time, but with that crew of players versus an aging Roddy White that they hung on to for suit too long. Not even a controversial statement. Roddy White held this offense back and held it against Kyle Shanahan that his role was reduced. Sessler off the top rope with a little sour grapes theory. in a big spot and his analysis is lazy it's it's simple-minded it's a lot

no roddy whites it's a lot easier to hold one person responsible in your head then go through all the permutations of everybody who messed up in that game all right hey roddy you came into the chamber you took a beating it didn't work out stronger next time it didn't work out for him and now you're being carried out of the chamber in a body bag In a body bag. Good! Moving on. Tom Brady granted Peter King of Monday morning quarterback an exclusive.

P.K. flew to Montana to where Tom Brady is hiding out after his latest conquest in Super Bowl 51. They really blew it out over at the MMQB. And I want to make sure I state that all the quotes that I'm about to read come from the MMQB. because if you don't say that these quotes are attributed to the MMQB, Peter King might just fire off 11 tweets at you calling you a disgrace to humanity. So everything I'm about to read right now was written by Peter King and can be found exclusively in its original form on his website, mcuby.com.

Sydney, did we do enough to seal that up? I don't think that's the link, actually. The MMQB. MMQB.SI.com? They never really nailed the URL over there. I'm just going to be honest about that. Well, you're right, because this has happened to me many times. If you type in MMQB.com, it's a contract furniture news site.

You cannot make this up. This is true. How lucky is this contract furniture news site? Oh, they are. Because how many people came to their website now? Thousands. What is a furniture news site? I mean, it seems like a furniture industry kind of trade report.

Yeah, that's where you could take your breaking news talents over to that site, perhaps. That's where you can find all ATN Media Insider Dan Hansa sites. MMQ be the contract furniture source for breaking news. AT&Media Media Insighter, Inside, Inside, Dan, Hands, Hand, for the truth, go to the zoos. So again. So again, I regret bringing that up. I'd just like to point out that the dolphin makes that drop. Sidney, she's a genius.

The MMQB.com. You can get their MMQB.SI.com as well or through the Twitter handle at the MMQB.com. Tom Brady talking about his goals, again, doubling down that he wants to keep playing deep into his fourth decade. I'd like to play until my mid-40s. Then I'll make a decision. And if I'm still feeling like I'm feeling today, who knows? And he says in this profile that he doesn't have any after effects of a long season or the Super Bowl while he's hanging out in the snow of Montana.

Now, those things can always change. You do need long-term goals too. I know next year is not going to be my last year, which is important to know. And then King asked him, this is the other part, West, that I found interesting, that, you know, doing things like avocado ice cream, and all the sleep that he needs I mean it really is a big part of his life this ability to stay young and feel young

does that kind of wear on you having to give up things taking out some things in your lifestyle like going out with your friends until 1 a.m., I don't do that anymore. Do you miss it? Not really because I know what I'm getting on the other end. I know I can enjoy other experiences

with my friends that don't have to happen at 1 a.m. I can have my friends at a Super Bowl game as a 39-year-old. That's a pretty amazing feeling. So it doesn't – Greg has to stay seated over there right now. So it doesn't ever feel like a sacrifice to me that's making lifestyle choices that support dreams and goals that I have. Football is a job, but it's never felt like a job for me. I think when you look at people who have conquered their world, Alexander the Great is said to have sat on a hillside and cried because he had nothing left to conquer.

Michael Jordan went and played baseball because he had no more competition in basketball. Tom Brady has found his own motivation, and if you've been paying attention to the way he's talked about lifestyle in the past three or four years, his eyes light up when he talks about mowing down age barriers, teaching people a different kind of lifestyle. I think he's supremely motivated by not just playing football, but the process of getting ready to play football. and if you don't think he's serious about playing until 50, that is where his competitive drive comes from right now.

I would say this, too, that his diet tips are absolutely number one on point and more people should listen to them if they wanted to continue their sporting careers longer. He's absolutely on point with that number two, that when you look at what he's done, that why do people go out with their friends at one in the morning and you go crazy, a lot of times it's to let off steam

because aspects of your life are not satisfied. And if you're Tom Brady, he couldn't be more satisfied and more thrilled by the path and career he's chosen. And also, it sounds like his home life. So there's less of an impetus for someone like Tom Brady to go get hammered and go out all night long and do stuff like that.

And you can make fun of him say he's not a normal guy and all this stuff, but he's absolutely right. I think in the position he's in, why veer off the course? That's who you want to be, actually, because you go on these health kicks every year. In Mark's heart of hearts, you would love to be the guy that has a bizarre diet, has a sleep chamber. I don't think it's a bizarre diet, number one. That's what I absolutely would go to bat for Tom Brady on this, that I think he's absolutely correct in many of the things he follows.

And I have nothing more to point to than who he is and where he is right now compared to athletes that fade away seven years earlier. And it's also, it's just growing up. I don't think what he's saying is that different than. some of our lives in terms of not and pretty much any 39 year old you know we're around that age in this room for the most part

you're not going out to the clubs you're not going out with your friends nearly as much and some people some people don't like that but I'm much happier now than I was in my mid-20s I don't think and I don't think that's that rare of a quality

um okay you don't think so I mean it's I guess it depends on the I just can only take this so far. Wait, you're sick of a time? You know, now we're all relating to Tom Brady. No. There's nothing normal about what he's doing.

There's nothing with our lives that really connect with his life right now. It's exceptional. It's not normal at all. And I think the thing with physical genius, if you take Tom Brady or Tony Gwynn or Ted Williams is a hitter, Wayne Gretzky is a hockey player, LeBron James, you are driven to greatness because you found something so compelling you can't put it down. And I think that's where Tom Brady's at right now. And I guess my final thought is all those people you just mentioned.

mention, they all got old. I still got Father Time in this battle. He could do everything. He could do everything that we're reading about this, and we could praise him to the high heavens. Father Time will win. I heard the jury still out on science. It will win.

We've never denied that. It's just not happening in the next year. That's true. Maybe sooner than you realize. He's already beaten Father Time in terms of what he's done at this age. And secondly, the problem with the NFL is that a lot of teams will tell you There are a bunch of quarterbacks spread around the league, starting quarterbacks who don't care about their job nearly as much as Tom Brady does.

We just talked about one. We've heard all season about Blake Bortles. What is he actually doing with his habits and his off-the-field stuff? It's very questionable. And these guys are watching someone like Tom Brady do what he's doing, and it's fine if we get tired of it or we don't want to relate to him. No, we cannot relate to him. But it's an example to it's an example that he's setting for other athletes,

and plenty of them don't follow it. That's fine. and I'm glad that you find motivation in him and a lot of people do, but... I don't find motivation. I just agree. He's just the football player, folks. Let's also not make him up more than he is.

He's a football player. He's often made fun of for his diet and his water drinking and his sleep habits, but he's actually... Water drinker! He's proving that it's absolutely true. Yes. So why do maybe only 15% of other quarterbacks

even attempt to do what he's doing? That to me is what's curious. I think he could try. change he could change how people train. Don't, don't, I think he already had. Don't hold it against him that you are one of, one of the opponents that he's now dropped an L on in his, in his career. I want to go back to August and tell that they enhance this before he starts the gradual

decline. I just want to show him the box score. I want to show him the Super Bowl. I want to show it all. Battle's not over. I mean, I lost the battle. It's over. I lost the battle.

I'm not going to lose the war. That's an issue. I mean, this is. We all know that eventually, you'll all come around eventually, but just know that I'm already here. The guy is drunk. Dan's out with his friends at one in the morning, and so are the rest of this room.

I mean, come on. Is Greg really out until 1 a.m.? No. No. Finally, more throne of ease news. Malcolm Butler, and the last lucky Patriots Super Bowl win had the amazing interception at the goal line. a former college star but undrafted

picked up by the Patriots and then became a legend in New England and now, and this is the lead from the Hollywood reporter, Malcolm Butler's journey from running the friolator at Popeyes to becoming this team's star cornerback will be headed to the big screen in the secondary.

Life story, Greg. Malcolm Butler, see it if it's produced by a reputable company which according to the report it seems like there's some decent people attached to it and let's say they get the this mark and i were talking about before the show they get the uniform rights and the and the likeness rights from the NFL so it looks good are you going to go see a malcolm butler biopic well yes i would i i've i've said on this podcast many times he's my you know favorite patriot right now and probably the last 10 years or so so i'm I'm going to go see it.

Of course. I mean, these movies usually don't happen in the end. It sounds like the Jim Morris movie. Remember the Tampa Bay double-race pitcher? Disney made a movie out of it. It was an unlikely story. Malcolm Butler is an unlikely story. I mean, it works.

West Alabama to winning the Super. You couldn't, you wouldn't write this up. I went to see Draft Day. So if there was a story about a Browns player that won the Super Bowl, I'd go see that. Don't undersell what you did with that movie. You didn't just go see that. You were also on the promotional arm of that. Well, that will never happen again.

I learned a lesson about sending quotes to various people. My, my, I hope, I could only hope to be in that position someday that it'll say Malcolm Butler's story, you're tugged at my heart. Well, if you had a heart, then it would be tucked at. Siddy, maybe you could dig up some of Mark's promotion of it. Please do not. Or enjoy your last show producing this. Wow, a threat. Your job was just, now you have to.

to look it up. Do not do it. Do not touch it. I like that Mark thinks he has hiring and firing. That's a window into his mind there that he thinks he can just fire producers on his own. I know it. By the way, the money guy behind this project, this again from the Hollywood Reporter, not the MMQB. DotSI.com, but you should check that site out for really good information.

Sees this film as a two-hander. That's a little industry jarg. Two-hander. Having also scooped up the rights of Butler's agent, a man named Derek Simpson, a small town lawyer who was handling Butler's blossoming career while fighting a commercial trucking Goliath in court to get justice for a paralyzed teen. Oh, yeah.

Get me to the movies, baby. That's what's happening in the news. What did you call that a two-armor? Two-handed. Two-handed, bro. Little industry jark, little Hollywood industry jark. How badly do we want to hear this draft day stuff? I would love to.

I would love to have it. Why don't we have a vote? Who wants it here? Yeah, that's three. I don't. That's three. Not on this show. Oh, boy.

Full of heart from start to finish. Delivers on the great tension of the NFL draft. I didn't write that. While showing how human the entire process is. Oh, no. Mark Sessler, NFL.com. You're out of your mind. Yeah, I am.

Haven't I proved that already? I will. All right, that is. That is the most embarrassing that's ever happened to me. Those are actual quotes from your review, right? Well, it was, here's the thing. When that came out, whenever I was, we were supposed to go review that. It was the spring of 2013.

Yeah, and I, like a week later, after seeing it, I had tweeted about it after and said, we agreed that it was a B, it was a solid B. We both agreed with that, Wes and I. I think the movie is unfairly maligned. I don't think it was an embarrassment. No, no, not at all. But what I stated there, sounds ridiculous, but I will, I have to acknowledge this. I was with my parents.

on a vacation somewhere, and I got this, like, text or an email about sending in, can you please send in a paragraph, had a couple glasses of wine to me. It was feeling good. I was like, first night of vacation, send the paragraph off, thought it was cool to do. And then when the media started to come at me, I thought, my God, what have I done? There was a promotional officer tied to that production in the lobby, because we saw a free screener for all NFL employees, and they approached one or a few of us about, I don't know, getting quotes or lines.

but then they must have reached out to you. I tweeted about it, and they did it. And I do think it was a solid B movie, and it's treated like it was the worst movie of all time. Well, they noticed, you know, when you were walking out, you were the only one with tears, you know, coming back. No, I was, no, that's not fair. It was a happy ending for the Browns.

So I could see how you would be emotionally invested. I got a little caught up in it. It's not that the movie is a dud is why this is funny. It's funny because you take no ownership of those quotes. No, I mean, I acknowledge. knowledge that, like, it seems absolutely ridiculous in print. And then when we put it through that waterfall that Sid just did, that it gets worse. Okay.

So that's what's happening in the news. Let's move on now. And on Tuesday's show, we hope you listen to Tuesday's show. You should, if you haven't. We spoke of the players that could be franchised using the franchise tag over the next month or so. And the players that might not end up. up franchised, which would mean they would become free agents if that

player and their team do not work out a deal. So now, Greg wrote a banger. It's why he's been on TV a lot this week, because he's writing a lot of content that the network overlords they're saying, hmm, give me that. I want to feast on that. Feast on Greg Rosenthal. I want to take his

brain and absorb it into our product. That kind of stuff. It's a quiet week. Desperate for some content. Oh, really? Julian Edelman was on our flagship show for like 47 minutes yesterday there were 10 different videos put into our system from that interview we're going to be on the show on Thursday the four of us the round the NFL podcast it's on one to two Pacific four to five Easter that should help save them from a radiance angle you know from the Edelman visit get us on for three

minutes or less than three minutes uh anyway so Greg you wrote about um you have an aFC edition which is out right now an NFC edition uh that will be coming out later this week. And why don't we start with the AFC? Players that could be released. These are notable players that could be released. And like your exercise earlier this week, it's a number order. Does the number order affect anything here?

Well, there's different categories, kind of like, you know, guys, I expect to get released, strong candidates to release, and then some surprises. The numbers don't really matter. Strong candidates. Just so that you know how many. I'm going to go through the list. here. Ooh, it looks like you went from 9 to 11 here.

It says 9 and 10, Dan. Oh, yeah. I was next level numbering. I looked at that. Very good job with that. Stringen editing process. I'm going to go through. These are strong candidates.

Would you put these names at, okay, 75% and up chance that they get cut loose? Yes. Okay. Jamal Charles of the Chiefs. And anybody stop me if one really catches your eye. Derell Revis and Nick Mangold. There will be a lot of jets on the. list. Nick Mangold, Mario Williams, Brandon Albert, both of the dolphins, RG3 of the Browns,

and Nick Foles are the Chiefs. Why don't we stop at Nick Foles right there? Because I love some good scientist heat. I love when the two scientists go down into the lab and they hash things out. But you know what I also like is when there's some scientists on scientist heat in the open-air public that is Twitter. And that's what happened yesterday over Nick Foles. And it all started with a tweet from Greg Rosenthal. What was that tweet, Greg? It was that Nick Foles is a sneaky candidate to be a week one starter. But I wouldn't say it was heat between us. I was more confused by it.

Wes was very angry at the thought that Foles could have a job. But, you know, I wouldn't know. Is that how you would qualify for us? I wasn't angry. There was a lot of tweets. You were home ill. Were you on medication? Were you clear-headed?

I was clear-headed. Okay. I was disappointed that Greg. would put that energy out there. Whoa. Why? The big T-word. Because I have to watch these games.

And the last thing, there is a, I think you know. I got no control over that. There is a certain kind of quarterback who you don't seem to mind, but I can't stand watching Zach Mettenberger, Mike Glennon, Nick Fools, these guys who spend three quarters not moving the ball once on offense, and then being told, oh, they're all right. But you're, you're, I didn't, I don't think he's good. I would, I would never. You're putting the energy out there.

Some GM's going to read this and be like, you know why? Greg Rosenthal. NFL Network's Greg Rosenthal makes a good point. We're live from a bridge too far. Yeah. All I'm saying is you can count the jobs that are open. Buffalo, potentially, the Jets, Cleveland, San Francisco. You look at the players available.

I would, you look at, there's a reason why Nick Fools made a lot of money as a backup because the market, you know, determined he was worth it. So I kind of would expect him to be in one of those sports. bots competing for a job. That's all. I would not really support that notion. Brian Hoyer, Ryan Spittspatrick, Josh McCown, Matt Barkley, Blaine Gabbard, Case Keenham, Gino Smith, Mark Sanchez, Mike Lennon, I take all these guys over Nick Fools. I don't think the average GM would at all because I think the word, the only really terrible. Every GM in the league is scribbling onto it.

Yeah, that's true. I like that I have so much power. Trade everyone good to the Patriots GMs. Now you sound like Mark Wahlberg. Nick Foles, he was terrible, just like everyone was terrible with his Rams run. I mean, he's bad. I don't think he's a great option. Talking about the traits, his footwork is terrible. He doesn't move in the pocket.

He doesn't read defense. Pro Bowl MVP. And his accuracy is not good. All right, guys, this is a lot of Nick Foles' talk now. He played for the Chiefs. He's a normal backup. I hope the Patriots sign him. Brady gets hurt, and you have to watch him.

16 games. Um, my, come on us, Greg, we have to watch these games. I, what does that matter? I have to do that want to watch Nick Foll start another football game. Wes is upset that the probability, like there's a small probability a guy will play. That's all. How can you be saying he won't? I totally, by the way, on the subject that Daryl Reeves think the Jets need to move on.

There has been a lot of talk about he'll take, take the haircut and then move to safety. That doesn't really solve anything for the Jets because the Jets. are clearly, and this ties back to our Tom Brady conversation from earlier, are clearly multiple years from really competing, hopefully. They're in a rebuild right now or they should be. And even if you move to Revis to safety and he's like a B to B plus safety, what does that really do for you other than you're paying the guy a lot of money and you're not competing anyway?

What's the point? Just let's move on. And you talk about putting bad energy out there. I mean, Daryl Revis put bad energy out week after week. And it's a team that needed someone like him to step up and try to keep that floundering defense together. And instead he created issues, radioactive issues, week after week. You think that's not going to happen double this season if he stays?

A little top 99 free agents, heat talk here. Would Revis be in your top 25 free agents? No. He wouldn't be in my top 99, I don't think. Really? I don't know. Well, he had one bad year. 99.

You got in the right scheme with the right coach. I just think he better. I don't think it matters because I don't think he's going to want to. I think he's done with football. What's his motivation? Right. I don't. No, I don't think he would be in my top 99.

I don't think he's going to want to play football again. I mean, if he really came out. That's an assumption, by the way, that you're making, though, that he doesn't have a fire. For one or two. Didn't have the fire last year. For one or two million dollars or whatever it's going to be, like, no, that doesn't sound like an appealing guy to bring in. He should be on your top 99, though, right?

Maybe he'd be on 99. Maybe he would. Maybe he would. It could be 99. All right. Wait, why would you want a guy who's... I'm not saying I want him. I just told you, I think the judge should move on from.

I don't want him on a losing. You should probably be on a free agency list. If I'm a bad team, I don't want to bring him in. But if you can plug him into, like, a defense that can use players in the right way and he's not asked to be a shutdown cornerback. Those days are old. I could see Reeves having a solid season. For a guy who has been this fixated on his money, I just can't imagine the scenario where he's

excited to play on a one year, two and a half million dollar contract, and you get great play out if he goes in place for seattle opposite richard sherman in place for a ring that could work do my favor i i'm not happy with the roadieves i'm sad the way this part two ended but don't leave him out of the top 99 guys that feels like it just be spiteful against the jets i think we'll get more information on this okay so you're saying would he could he be lower or higher than chino smith that's a good question like who did we who were you talking for number 99 on Tuesday show RG3

So he would be behind Robert Griffin the third That's not fair That'd be hard I guess that you're right That I'm assuming He's not going to want to play For the type of contracts that he's offered

I'm just that's a little bit different But yeah That's an assumption But I think it's a good one Hey the fax machine just landed And it's bad news for Elvis Dumerville Because he's number eight on Greg's list Okay

Poor guy just missed a Super Bowl In Baltimore and then missed two appearances in Denver. Had a nice career. Two first team all pros. I mean, that's more than some of the Hall of Famers that just got, got a, not that Dumerville will be a consideration, but he had a nice little career.

Two Bengals, Pac-Man Jones, who probably, I mean, he just continues to be a guy that gets on the grid for bad reasons. You wonder at what point is he not worth the trouble. And Ray Maulagu, got it, almost. Maluga. Maluga? Maluga. I think I had it right.

Uh, two guys who have lasted a lot longer in Cincinnati than anyone expected, uh, Jared Adrick and Russell Okun. Now, Okun just got to Denver, uh, Greg, but you think they're totally ready to say goodbye already after another kind of season where he disappointed. Well, if you remember, he was his own agent and he came up with this deal where he only got paid $5 million last year and then they have to pick up an option for almost $20 million over two years. And I don't think that's going to be much of an option for them. he did not perform too well. It's quite the conundrum for John Elway because he needs to rebuild this offensive line. Russell Okung was not really an asset last year,

but how is he going to find an asset on the open market? Right, he might try to figure out a new. Elway's been great, but the offensive line's kind of crushed them two straight years. Two words, Joe Thomas. Maybe Brandon Albert, who's higher up on this list, I think Brandon Albert might still be able to play, but they have a left tackle and Laramie Tunsel.

Look, you know, this is a... a surprise but the dolphin i mean they're going to be a lot of dolphins talk i feel like on this podcast joe thomas they're going to be active has stuck out with the browns this long and there might be some light at the end of the tunnel this year it would really surprise me if now he okays a train just just threw it out there if it's right i'll i'll have sidney bring that well yeah a shadowy league figure reminded us that john elway once rejected like a third round pick for for joe thomas or that's what that's what he all right

take that out of the show i thought joe thomas rejected that not John Elwood. Number 13 on your list, Brandon Flowers. You want to make flowers today? DJ Fluker, the guard for the now Los Angeles charges. So those are the ones that Greg says, 75% chance or better that they are hitting the street. And then you have a nice little subhead here

entitled The Tyrod Dilemma. And what is the Tyrod Dilemma in a nutshell? because this is the subject of our NFL network hit that you can see on Thursday exclusively on up to the minute. What is the Tyrod Taylor in 57 words or less? Greg Rosenthal. The dilemma is that he's on the hook. Wasted four words right there.

For a sizable contract, which also guarantees him some money into 2018 by a general manager who doesn't want to keep him, but they don't have any better options. count up the words 52 pretty good nailed it what are your thoughts about Tyrod Teller

because when the season ended it seemed like a foregone conclusion that a divorce was happening between the bills and Tyrod Teller rap sheet reports that he's now open to a restructured contract but not a pay cut it seems to me that the bills would be pretty stupid frankly to let Tyrod Teller go unless they had a better option and I don't see the better option either in free agency or on that roster, unless you just want to go for the quarterback in the draft,

but that's obviously no given either. My initial thought is that I feel bad for one of the best NFL fan bases in Buffalo, that they finally have the makings of a more than serviceable quarterback, someone that I think is exciting to watch and did a lot for that offense. And as Greg wrote in his piece, the GM Doug Whaley is essentially trying to complete his quest to rid the bills of any competent signal callers. I don't understand why you would part ways with him at this point, money aside for what is potentially out there in your own system with Cardell Jones, which is a non-starter at quarterback, or the other options.

I realize the contract is an issue, but if you're Buffalo, you cannot go into next season with a new coaching staff with zero at quarterback. I see this from Cleveland's point of view, and I wonder why they would get in bed with Tyrod Taylor. when you're in a place Cleveland's at where you're rebuilding, I think you're trying to find a solution, not a patch. But why can't it be both? Because Tyrod Taylor, that's the trick for Buffalo is that... So the team that had... Okay, he's not the long-term guy,

but I think having the 20th best guy is seriously valuable for your team. So why wouldn't the Browns want to have the 20th best guy while they continued to draft? And they may not have a... They could draft a guy in the first round, and get Tyrod Taylor two years, 30 million. Right. There may not be a solution available, a true solution available to them.

So Tyrod Taylor is much better than going into the season with RG3 Part 2 or Cody Kessler. I mean, I think Tyrod Taylor and Hugh Jackson would be a good match, a good fit together, number one. And whether it's a patch is better than what they've had for 20 years. I would take, as a Jets fan, I would take Tyraud Taylor as a two-year patch. Yeah. Go draft a quarterback and try to figure out that situation and have him. He seems more than capable. I think he's back in Buffalo, though.

I really do. I think that they'll eventually work something out. I don't know if you guys... Do you guys actually think there's a chance he's not in Orchard Park in September? I think I would put it over 50-50. I mean, they've been trying to ride him out there for a while. The team that's had him in its building for two years every day doesn't believe he's a franchise quarterback. I don't know why other teams would be so willing to throw 30 million guaranteed at him.

That gives way too much credit to anything that the bills are thinking. You have no idea. You haven't been there. You don't see him up close and personal. Right. But I don't, like, think of all the lesser quarterbacks that get a second chance elsewhere that didn't do much. His coach is basically on the record, or at least sources close to the coach in Cleveland saying, like, bring him on. That was his coach.

Right. It's one thing to say that when you only have to pay $10 million for him, but are you going to give him $30 million guaranteed? It just feels like. But why do you have to? It feels like. Because that's what he's getting from Buffalo. But he would be cut. you're starting a new contract anyways.

You don't have to take that contract. The reason that the bills I don't think would want him partly is because they guarantee him some money into next year and they're just not too sure about him. It doesn't feel like coaches dislike him. It feels like the front office doesn't want him because Rex Ryan went to bat for him. And we know in Buffalo there's this weird dynamic

where Doug Whaley is still talking about E.J. Manuel as a functional solution. Any Bill's fan is saying, what are you thinking, but coaches want Tyrod Taylor. I think that some of the coaches in Buffalo really had a problem with him not seeing the field well, especially the middle of the field. I think that does come from their coaching staff. But they also, there are the coaches that strongly supported Tyrod Taylor and continue to work with.

He's got limitations, you know, but I think he's just an upgrade. I mean, this is a team that literally started RG3 in week one. That's outrageous. And then four more. Another team started Blaine Gabbard in week one last year. So in that situation, he's exciting if he gets cut as a free agent because you can still draft the guy in the first round. We all agree that he's flawed. So that's why you don't give him seven for 100.

But if you give him two for 27, doesn't everybody win potentially? Like where he can play the position competently and he's not breaking the bank? I think two for 27 sounds great. But if he thinks he's going to get more than that, I'm not sure he will. The thing is, I don't think he wants to take less money from the bills because of what he's gone through and because there's so much cap room out there. He can get close enough, I think, to that contract. I know you want to move on, but I just wanted to mention the bills have a lot of weird.

Man, I don't like this bill's team. They have a lot of weird fits of guys who make too much money. Charles Clay is paid like a superstar. LaShawn McCoy is a great player. I don't know if he's going to be a great fit in that scheme. It's all happening with a Rex Ryan. You have them on a potential surprise. That would be a stunner.

A stunner, that would be a stunner. And it probably doesn't, I can't see the bills doing it, but I could see some teams thinking get rid of them a year too early versus a year too late. Or maybe see if a team would take them in a trade. That's probably more likely. And on the NFC side of things, of course, is Tony Romo even on the bubble?

I mean, it seems like he's gone. It's just a matter of how he goes. Yeah, that could be a trade or a release. Or release. Jay Cutler certainly would be surprising if he was back in Chicago. Who would you rather have Mark J. Cutler or Tyrod Taylor as your quarterback? I would never want Jay Cutler. His market is going to be very interesting.

I'd rather have Nick Fools. Don't you think there's always a coach out there that's still fascinated with Jay Cutler? Someone would take him on. I wonder if that's still the case. That was the case for many years. but it feel like we've turned a corner with Cutler and he's also coming off a shoulder injury his number one asset was that he had an incredible arm

and now we don't even know if he has that going for him he's a coach killer he'll get your offensive coordinator fired and your head coach fired you don't want to be a team on the bubble about your whole staff you know needs to prove a year and Jay Cutler's your quarterback. He's like the new Kerry Collins. Adrian Peterson. Well that's a good thing.

If he could have the late career that Carrie Collins is then you're like, hey, I'd sign up for that for a year or two. Maybe you get lucky with everything around them. I meant more like once all the good quarterbacks are gone, you're like, oh, I guess I have to settle for this guy. Right. They were the one seed with Kerry Collins as like a 38-year-old. He was beaten back time before it was cool.

He was. Adrian Peterson on this list as well. Wes, you were saying how we were talking about the Giants on Tuesday show, how he's not a great fit in that offense. I'm wondering with Adrian Peterson at age 32, too, if he's not necessarily, you know, his destination won't be a team where he is getting the ball 25 times. Maybe he just is at this stage of his career. Teams will be looking for him as a change of pace type back.

Is it crazy to think that he's not going to have a huge market of teams looking for a featured back? Yeah, I think even with the Giants, I know I said he was a bad fit, but you could redesign your offense. Same thing with the Packers, where you could use him as the early down guy. and then move to shotgun on third downs. But I do think that Adrian Peterson at this stage of his career will not have the market that you would think his name brings. And maybe it's best that he just stays in Minnesota. Especially that position.

The league does not look fondly upon plus 30 running backs, even if you are Adrian Peterson. I don't think Minnesota is going to want to pay that money. That money is outrageous. Right. His actual contract now has to be redone. But he still might be able to make more in Minnesota. than he makes anywhere else.

I did read something that was interesting that his, you know, he doesn't, Adrian Peterson went on ESPN and mentioned a couple teams, and those don't necessarily come up by accident. His agent even mentioned the Bucks the last time around, and you think about the Bucks and Dirk Cotter and the way they run their offense

and how they want to run the ball so much and they're going to be cutting Doug Martin probably, who's another guy on this list, the Bucks make a little bit of sense. Can't you see them spending a little too much, on Adrian Peterson and just they want to be that offense that's they're they're kind of a little bit of an old school office sure they're cutting Doug Martin though I mean he really I don't I think they think is well it's tough to say with his the problems in his life and even whether he would count

towards their cap but I do think they're going to move on from Doug Martin he's another fascinating guy to watch in this if he does hit the open market what kind of interest he would fetch because remember he was one of the best runnerbacks in the league last year before this year was really a washout season on multiple levels still pretty young what is he 27 28 years old he's 28 but you know he had 2.9 yards per carry he had a PD suspension and you know people are concerned about his substance abuse so you know people talk about red flags going into a draft that that's a tough situation to go into free agency if he gets cut uh Colin Kaepernick's another quarterback name that could be out there. The 49ers under Kyle Shanahan really is a good chance they really reboot the machine there. And that would mean Kaepernick is going off on his own. Who wants to? He had some moments. He had a stretch last year, Wes, where he was playing at a decent level. But is he a guy that you really want to take on at this stage of his career? No. No. I think when you set the standard as he had a couple of decent moments,

Case Keenham did, too. I mean, I didn't, Colin Kaepernick's not an NFL starter right now. He's, he and RG3 are, you got to find a coach that really wants to, like, get a big project. Yeah, to get on the, you know, to really push for them. And I don't know about, I don't know where they're going to end up. He burned a lot of bridges last year. Who, Kaepernick? Yeah, I think with his, his stance on the national anthem, I think that a lot of people in football,

they think a different way about that kind of. stuff than Colin Kaepernick, and I think we saw articles where executives came out and bashed him, and many people said they would never play Colin. I'll take that even further. Would I be totally shocked if he was out of football? I wouldn't be. I think that the nature of the NFL, I think there's probably a lot of whether all takes is an owner to say that guy's never going to be on my team and a lot of conservative

owners out there that would want nothing to do with him. So you're already cutting down his base of who he can go to, slashing in half or even more potentially. I want to be stunned. How about this week one starter, New York Jets? No. I'm not saying that you want it. I think RG3 is more like, telling you it's going to happen.

More likely. I mean, that's been the fun thing this off season. Name the horrible veteran quarterback and then like throw it in a Jets fan's face. I mean, it's not going to be a good. Yeah, it's not going to be a good quarterback no matter what. I just rather not be one with one like Callan Kaepernick, which he just doesn't do anything. Even as a player, forget about all the others. How about Jake Huttler?

I hope New York Jets. I don't say that as a joke. Bring it on. It'll be fun. I think that's a That could be a possibility. I hope it's not Mike Lennon for your sake because the West, you know,

Dan battles if Mike Lennon goes to the Jets as no one hates Mike Lennon like Wes. Well, we lived through the Ryan Fitzpatrick era we had to keep readjusting Dan's expectation. Well, you guys were totally wrong in the year one of Ryan Fitzpatrick. I think we were right. By the way, with Kaepernick, if he was even close, if he was even 80% where Tyrod Tate

Taylor is right now, he would have every job he wanted. I don't think the flag stuff matters at all. But it's the sliding scale in the NFL. Kind of once you're below that point of like being a starter, then teams will, like this kind of stuff will matter. His A storyline is not football. Or a rest. I mean, consider the low lives that have gotten jobs in the NFL to think that it

would cost Colin Kaepernick a job is a little tough to swallow. No, I think I totally disagree with you on that. I think that it absolutely would cost Colin. I think Dan's right. There are owners who will flat out forbid their team from signing Colin Kaepardick. And one last name because he is a very good pass rusher when healthy, but that's become a question. Lamar Houston tore his ACL for the second time in his career back in September,

you know, with the bears right now. And the bears have a lot of work to do. So there's a chance of 29-year-old pass rusher coming off a double ACL tear could be sent packing. he could be a guy who kind of feels like one of those things where the Patriots pick him up and has nine and a half sacks I could see it.

I don't even think he makes the top 99. That's quite a switch from a couple years ago. Two ACLs in three years is tough. He might make the top 99, but yeah, that's tough to recover from. Derell Revis or Lamar Houston if you have... All right, Revis is going to make it because you're right.

Well, in the world that he... That's not what you were doing. I had to come after you. No. I'm in the world that I don't think he's going to be on it because I think we're going to get some signs that he doesn't want to play unless it's for a lot of money or just doesn't want to play, period. But that takes him off the top.

See, it's a little bit of a nebulous situation, nebulous. Well, if you're hearing from a guy that doesn't want to play football, you're not going to put him on the list. Hey, it's not my department. But if you want that list to be taken seriously by the football cognizanti. You should put Dorel Reeves on the list. Well, he could end up still with the Jets. Who knows?

Got to be a lot of Eagles on the NFC list. Connor Barwin, Ryan Matthews, Jason Kelsey, and then maybe Jason Peters as a surprise. Michael Kendricks could be traded. That's a lot of people played a lot of snaps for the Eagles. Helps this free agency class if all these guys actually get cut. Makes it a little more fun, even if they're flawed players. These guys are all, I guess, flawed in a way to be in.

this predicament they're in. Just hanging in purgatory. Well, it's-hanging in purgatory. It's true that more than ever, great players don't get to free agency. I mean, there are some, but not many. All right, guys. Good talk, good football talk,

and a good show. We will head into the weekend. Mark just attempted to throw 14 papers into the garbage camp from seven feet away. and horrifically missed, but just the entire idea that it could work was never a plan. You took papers and tried to, like,

throw them across the room like it was a hard ball. Got to try. Anyway, we will be back on Tuesday. We're going to take the weekend. We're going to, you know, regroup. President's Day on Monday. So, Sidney requested that she was home on Monday, so we're not going to do a show on Monday.

Oh, you're putting this on me, huh? Very patriotic of you. That's not even true. You are here on Monday, right? I'm here if there's work to be done. No, no, no. Please don't come in, Sydney. Just reflect on our nation's leaders, please.

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