NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Week 4 Picks from Dublin with The Ringer Fantasy Football Show

Episode Date: September 26, 2025

Gregg Rosenthal welcomes The Ringer Fantasy Football Show trio of Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly and Craig Horlbeck to Kennedy's Pub in Dublin, Ireland for Week 4 NFL picks against the spread. Gregg provides three selections, while each guest shares their single best pick of the week -- one of which involving NFL Network's Sunday morning international game between the Vikings and Steelers at Croke Park. Games mentioned: Los Angeles Chargers (-6.5) at New York Giants New York Jets (+2.5) at Miami Dolphins Chicago Bears (+1) Las Vegas Raiders Green Bay Packers (-7) at Dallas Cowboys Minnesota Vikings (-2.5) vs. Pittsburgh Steelers -- 9:30 ET NFL Network from Dublin, Ireland  Jacksonville Jaguars (+3.5) vs. San Francisco 49ersNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to the NFL Fantasy Football podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Toyota, the official automotive partner of the NFL. Visit Toyota.com slash NFL now to learn more. Welcome to NFL Daily where it's okay to drink Guinness in the morning. I am Greg Rosenthal, and I am here. at Kennedys in Dublin with my friends from the Ringer fantasy football show, Danny Heifitz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horroback, the secret weapon of the show. Look, you guys are like a one-to-one, you know, replacement for Cynthia Freeland on the usual pick show.

Good to have you on. Absolutely. It's our honor. Thank you very much for having us. The guineasas are flowing, Greg. Thank you for having us. Combined are as smart as Cynthia. Yeah, right. I don't know why I called Craig, like the secret weapon right off the top,

like sewing division between the three of you, like, by what you're doing, signal you want out. I hope Craig is cool with me because we just did the Ringer Fantasy Football Show. Everyone should listen. It's one of the best podcasts, sports podcast, point blank. And I joined them this week. And I just hope you didn't mind because I found myself. I was like staring at Craig just because of how we're seated, like in the eyes.

It was like a lot of eye contact throughout the show between me and. Craig. No, I loved it. Danny Kelly never looks at me, so that was really nice. Thank you. All the YouTube comments are just everyone's like, wow, Craig's the hot one, and Dickon are like, yeah, cool, quick, cool. We've recently learned the term mauging. Yeah, we're getting mugged.

What is that? No. Mogging is when you have one friend is way hotter than your other friends and all the photos, you're getting mugged because no one's looking at you in the photos. Like, if you have a photo, Craig, you can't put it on your hinge because then everyone's like, oh, I'm in a hitman. Okay, relax. We can move on.

He's married, everyone, come down. It's a very, like, how do you do fellow kids moment for me. So we are here, and I mentioned Guinness. Shout out to Robert, the proprietor of Kennedy's. Not Robert Kennedy. Not Robert Kennedy. We got here a little before 10.30 in the morning. The place was locked up at this point because the ringer fantasy football show shut it down to begin with. We never left. As I walk up, like, Steelers fans are waiting in line to get in. One of them asked me if my black and yellow shoes, like, were bought purposefully. for the Steelers.

No, they're not. I'm actually anti-Steelers this week, at least in terms of picking the Vikings. But this place started filling up pretty early, and it's rocking out there, like, at noon. The vibes are high. The Ryder Cup. People are going crazy for the Ryder Cup right now,

and then also just obviously in the game. I actually am shocked, just being in Dublin. I actually can't believe how many Steelers fans are here. Like, there are more Steelers fans than regular people who live in Dublin, I think. Yeah, on my travels over here, I saw zero Minnesota Vikings fans. My flight was 80% people wearing Steelers gear, zero Vikings fans. It has a Super Bowl field in a Super Bowl in a smaller city, like New Orleans,

where in London it's great, but it's still London, you know. There's a million bars. Here, there are Steelers everywhere, and this is a Steelers bar, so it's self-selecting. But when I got out at my hotel, there were 20 Steelers. fans just out and about. I have a friend from work who said they went to a bar the other night and Jason Kelsey is just by himself

at the bar drinking a beer. They're like, hey Jason Kelsey. And I'd seen like Aike Taylor walking around and the whole thing, it feels awesome, honestly. It feels like sort of like a football in the round. We're going to get to the picks. We're just kind of trying to set the scene.

Do you have any other Dublin takes? I know we're pretty soon off the plane. Oh, no. I mean, I think we all got to experience the Ireland, the real Ireland, Guinness. taste test last night which is great um it does taste better here in ireland i think we can all attest to that uh but yeah the vibes are amazing the vibes are really good it like you said it kind of does have the super bowl feel where it's the the couple days leading up to the super bowl when you're in that town are just the vibes like party vibes it's everyone's having a good time you know even if you

see it people from other teams you're ribbing each other or whatever and so um yeah it's it's really good but i haven't seen any viking fans yet i i did see one so i do want to defend one and we all screamed down him. Get out of here. I really can't stress how many Steelers fans are here. Like the last, we went to Chiefs by the three Pete with the Super Bowl. I think a lot of the Chiefs fans who wanted to go to a Super Bowl and could afford it had already done it. There are so many, like, hard to describe how many more Steelers fans are here now than there

were Chiefs fans for the last Super Bowl that I saw walking around New Orleans. Like, it's not even close. It's basically all terrible towels and Gavin for president signs. I know. I just saw that too, yeah. Which is not Will Gavin, who will be hosting, by the way, the game. if you happen to be overseas and listening on the radio, I will be doing the game with Will Gavin on TalkSport Radio.

So check that out. All right, we're going to get to the picks. Weekly pick show, Cynthia and I struggled last week. Because you guys are here, I'm not going to bore you and go over what our picks were that we were right and wrong about last week, although I did have the worst beat of the year in that Rams game. We had that too, yeah. I don't know if they just missed the kick.

You cover. So we'll go over all the records next week when we have Cynthia back on. But I do have her picks because I know, the fans are interested in what her computer model has to say. So I'll sprinkle those in because we agree on a couple. The way I decided to do it is I still have my usual three picks and you guys have one pick each, like your favorite pick. Hopefully we have some differences here.

Let's start with Danny Hyphids. This is really boring, but I'm doing the Chargers giving six and a half to the Giants. I'm sorry, I know that's really boring. I am a giant fan. This is so lame. Dude, I'm a Giants fan. I believe in Jackson Dart, but like, this is a really hard way to start, man. Like, the Chargers are 3-0 first time since 2002, and the defense, with Jesse Minner, the defensive coordinator, is doing an unbelievable.

Greg is just shaking his head, like, pathetic. I am because you are one of my favorite hosts in all of podcasting. I'm a huge fan. You have been on the show before, so at least it's not your first time. But to come on this show and make some argument because you're in your feelings about the Giants. And you want to, like, feel good if they don't. cover is just like how dare you to be clear the judge no to be clear i'm setting myself up the giants can lose by like four and then i don't i miss the bet and the giant still lose the

game i just that's the worst feeling in sport yeah i know i just think i know but it's fundamentally it's just i think basically he doesn't his hedging era you know he really is Travis hunter now this i feel like mentally we're still not counting herbert like he's as good as josh or lamar because we haven't seen it in the playoffs but i would think this season i don't think it's controversial to say Herbert's playing that well, right? No, it's not. It's Herbert playing versus a rookie quarterback making his first career start. It was week one, we wouldn't blink about pulling Trigger on a touchdown favorite.

The flip side is the charge's defense is the best defense in the NFL and success rate this season. So I'm like, what, I don't, like, am I really, I know it's, I agree with my feelings. I think you're a little crazy. I'm on the Giants on this side. I actually thought about going Giants as one of my three favorite picks. That felt a little too crazy for me. But if I had to pick, I'm on the Giants because week one, you're right.

but Russell Wilson would have been starting. And maybe I'm crazy, and we talked about it on your show, I think Jackson Dart will be an upgrade overall from Russell Wilson. I mean, he's certainly going to elevate. When you look at the Russell Wilson offense, like we've talked about this for years. It's basically like deep shots to the sideline or dump-offs. There's nothing in the middle.

Jackson Dart can come in, open up the entire middle of the field. I think he's really confident throwing down the seams. That was one of the things that you noticed about his college tape. The first off, pushing the ball down the field aggressively. Second of all, he's good against pressure. And that was like one of the main selling points, I think, with him coming out of the college, because obviously, you know, playing in that offense. He takes hits.

He's got a little bit of a Ryan Tannhill, too, where he just stands there and gets totally blasted. Yeah, he's willing to stare down the gun barrel. So, yeah, I still would. So disappointed. I would look, I actually think what High Fitz did is rational. I would pick the charges in this one, too. It's his first start versus Herbert. Gambling is not about being rational.

It's also. It's the biggest quarterback to spirit of the week. And it's a very complicated defense that he's facing. I only feel comfortable being disappointed because I care because I think, and maybe this is, you know, me trying to just like, you know, son you here. You know, that, like, the worst. The worst feeling doing this working in this business is to pick against your own team. And then you're watching Jackson Dar in what's going to be a seminal moment of his career, maybe of Brian Dable's career, of the Giants. And he plays his ass off.

Maybe he loses a close game. Maybe he goes out there and wins the game. And in that moment of total Giants fan ecstasy, and you've been wanting those moments, you have to think in that moment, oh, man, I went Chargers. I lost my bag. Yeah, it's like I went Chargers minus six.

This is so good because for the, I won't feel that way. Okay. I bet on the Patriots to beat the Giants in both Super Bowls because I figured that I'll be a pithet. It didn't hurt that at all? No. Maybe we're wired differently because I would always be annoyed.

Just pick what you want to happen anyways. No, pick what you. That's spoken like a Patriots fan who got, I know you're like a reflection. I know, spoken like someone who lived the charmed life. I'm now shifting back towards Hyvitz because I do believe in the emotional head. How many championships could you see to your professional teams in the 21st century? 14? A lot of championships.

Every other year? The first Super Bowl I ever went to cover was the Giants beating the Patriots in their first Super Bowl, ending the undefeated season. it actually was better, I think, in person. You didn't realize how devastating a moment that was until you started seeing, like, the highlights and everything. But three and three in person as a fan for the Patriots. But, yeah, it's been, I hear what you're saying.

Maybe it is Patriot's privilege. Is three and three supposed to make us feel bad? Three and three? I only saw three Super Bowl wins in person. Only six Super Bowl. I want to interject real quick, though, with hyphids. Right, I'm a coward. No, here's the deal.

It's a long time. joke between Hyphitz and I. I've worked with Hyphitz since 2016, right? In all that time, I think he's rooted for his team to win, like, one game, the one playoff game. Otherwise, he's like, I want him to lose, get a better draft pick.

Like, he's never gotten to root for his team. Why are you so afraid to, like, finally jump on the bandway? I just, they're throwing dart, like, he's rooting for them to lose, like, emotionally. I guess I'm like. But what Greg was saying is like, just stay away, though.

Just like you could have picked 15 different games. Literally, we're picking one game. Do you feel that strongly over all the other games? That's fair. And yet here I am. And I'm excited. I am on record now saying that I think Brian Davel is going to be rejuvenated. He's building the offense around him.

The Chargers haven't seen it. I did think the offensive line for the Chargers did not play that well last week. Granted against Denver, but Herber under a lot of pressure and that this front will make it a fun game. So I think it'll be fun. I'm going to stay with the Jets. We'll go back and forth between you guys and me. And Cynthia is on the same side of me.

And we don't usually have the same picks, but we picked separately this week. We are both on the Jets plus two and a half in Miami. And I could break down how the dolphins are investing all this money in the pass rush and they're not getting anything up front. And actually the Jets offensive line is where their strength is. I could get into how Tua at the end of games is just fritzing out and weirdly TNF I think we'll look back on as a high point

but it's really more based on vibes for me that I think the Jets right now are a better organization than the Dolphins which seems crazy to say in that the press conferences since the Dolphins won that game have been so concerning and some of the reporting coming out that I actually thing, even though it was close and from the outside, everyone was like, oh, good, good try. Miami,

you got close. Like the aftermath of that game, it seems like everyone is pulling in different directions and there's source-offs and Tua is like yelling at the press and like, I think he might have taken a shot at Ben Solac even though the question. Do you guys see this? No, I missed this. What did he say? Our buddy's Ben? How dare him? Okay, so they asked him a question how Cam Newton criticized to a tongue of Iloa, specifically. And he did mention the name Cam in his answer, but it was

almost like he had a pre-planned answer for this, and he went through, and his answer was like, it's really easy to say, if you haven't played, and that you're sitting there with a clicker, what's right to do? And I'm thinking, like, there was a few people like that, but I feel like Solac was the most prominent. Maybe he was talking about it.

I'm almost positive Cam played, too. That's what I mean. So that's what I mean. this answer, and he's talking about the Solax and some of the other people that are killing his decision-making. So it's more of a vibe off for me that I just think this is the Jets chance to go win a game. Miami shouldn't be favored against anybody, to be honest. Who's the starting quarterback this week? It's looking like it's going to be Fields. Fields practiced fully. As of this taping, Aaron Glenn did not answer clearly. They're being cagey about it, right? Yeah.

I think that's him like trying to make them prep for two. I don't know that it's a huge different. in terms of who I think would win the game, like the approach would be different, but either way, I would like the Jets' chances. I think, I like this too. I had this in mind. It wasn't one of my picks, but I thought about it, and it's the same deal. With Tua, for the last few years, the offense was very specific. I even make jokes sometimes, like, Tua is the MVP, actually, because the offense completely falls apart and can't do anything. It's sarcastic. In terms of, like, net value loss. To be clear, I'm being sarcastic, but like when two is in there, the offense that they have designed right now is that he's the only one that can make it work. But now, and it's so predicated on hitting his back foot, getting the ball out. Quick, like quick reactions, decisive throws over the middle of field, those kind of things.

Now teams are starting to figure out how to kind of like muddy what he's seeing over the middle of field, not let him get rid of the ball so quickly. And after like one second, he can't do anything. And also it feels like the opposite now where. I almost think if you could get anybody else in this offense, I'm like, if you could just get Mack. Well, not Zach Wilson. I'm like, if you get Mack Jones in there, I think this Dolphins offense could be good.

Tua is, once again, he has a noodle arm. Like, he's not able to make these throws down the field anymore. Like, the velocity on his football is gone. Tyreek is once again back to fielding punts down the field. He turns around and waits for the ball. It's unbelievable. It really does look like special teams. I will say, you're right.

The thing about Tua is the only one can make the offense work. I think it's the same way, like, I'm the only one who can find stuff that I lose in my apartment because that's not a good system. It's a mess and it's a really bad system and I'm the only one who can find it because it's catered to me and the dolphins cater to this system just works for him with a bad O-line and the fastest and the fastest, when they're at 100th percentile speed and agility from Tyreek and suddenly like, oh, the whole thing falls apart.

That's a bad system. And we bagged on the dolphins a decent amount on our previous show so I don't want to repeat myself, but there was this segment of Tom Pelliserro in his car on the Rich Eisen's show where he kind of went through the limitations that Tua constricts on a play caller and why it makes it so tough. And I'm like, are the Dolphins coaches or coach burying Tua? Because all respect to Tom Pelliserro, he's not coming up with these takes. That's a bad sign.

And then Tua was so unhappy in that press comments. He is reading all the comments. And one of the questions they asked to him was, what's the difference between you and you back in college? He's like, well, you know, the surgery is on my ankle. You know, I'm just not, I just don't move as well. I'm like, this sucks. I'm going jets.

I was like, the Jets actually aren't that good at the defense, and it could be kind of a sneaky fun fantasy game where they score a lot of points, but I ultimately think the Jets make enough points. Winning makes everything better, losing makes everything worse, and the Jets have a newer voice. But McDaniel, it's like, he's done because he got two of the contract.

He's going to be the one kicked out. Chris has been there 25 years. When you're basing a selection on vibes and you pick the Jets, You know it's bad That's why he's the secret weapon All right, let's go to Craig's pick I'm taking the Bears Plus 1 against the Raiders

Interesting, I like it This game's in Vegas I think Vegas is a little bit of a disaster right now I think it's not working early on they cannot run the ball Ashton Genty has 144 rushing yards 145 of them come after contact

which doesn't make any sense Gino has been turning over the ball a ton And I do think what we saw to Caleb, albeit it was against Dallas, and Dallas is making everybody look good right now. I think Caleb is a momentum quarterback. I think he is somebody where once things start clicking, I think things will continue that way.

I think he's going to have like a positive snowball effect to his game. And I think the Raiders defense is a perfect follow-up to Dallas. And them getting points, I was a little surprised at, to be honest. And I believe in Ben Johnson scheming up all these open-wide receivers, and I think Caleb can hit them. I'm not necessarily the biggest Caleb guy in the world. However, I do think what I saw last week against Dallas is replicable against Vegas. I agree.

I think bears against a team that doesn't have a good pass rush is a great recipe. Because some of those plays last week with Caleb, he just had all the time in the world for someone to uncover. They ran an eight-second flea-flicker. And that showed off. The highest flea-flicker you've ever seen. Slow motion. And he made a couple plays. There was one where the pressure got to him right away, where it just.

just his instincts, and that's where I agree with you that he can be a confidence player where, when it starts rolling downhill, and I think the Raiders will give him that confidence because they don't have a passers. The Lions really didn't have that much of a pass rush in week two against him. Last week, same thing. I do want to ask you, Craig, though, because you were going to ask about Gentie. I thought on your show, what is your feeling about Gentie right now? Well, I think the vibes around him are actually pretty bad, and it's odd because I think

when the ball is in his hands, he looks great. But I think when the ball is not in his hands and he's on the field, things are weird. I think the pass protection stuff with him is a little odd, considering that was what we thought was a strength coming out of college, or at least he was capable. Well, they're not even using him in, like, the two-minute drill.

No, Dylan, I still don't know how to say his name, Lobby, Laubi, is playing in the two-minute drill against the guy that took six overall in the draft. I think that's very bizarre. Lawi didn't even play last year. I just think it's a bad sign that there's already, there's like every press conference now with him is about like, hey, Ryan, And Clark said this thing about you.

Like, how do you feel about that? And he's like, well, I'm not trying to like listen to anybody in the media. I'm just trying to like focus on my game. And they're not giving him that many touches. I think as a talent on the field, he's great. And I think it's just a sign generally that like if you're a bad team and you have a bad offensive line, you should not be drafting a running back. They're a terrible offensive line.

I'm with you. He made a couple people miss last week. He still got the juice. He broke yards after contract. He's awesome with the ball in his hand. He's a little bit. And I heard you guys talking about this with Derek Henry. that, like, if he doesn't get a good runway,

like, he'll kind of stop his feet and then get toppled over. What did you guys go? Like the Saddam? Derek Henry getting tackled at the line of scrimmage looks like the statue of Saddam falling over. Like, if he gets hit before the line of scrimmage, he just toppled in a statue in a square. It's like his angled or tied.

It's just, like, falling over. Completely different body type, but I think Genti has a little bit of that, too, and they are right now, along with the Bengals. I thought you meant body type of Saddam. No, I mean. Actually, the video of him prone, like, he might have a similar body type.

Actually, he was low to the ground and kind of like thick in the way. I think he would be a decent running back. Saddam Hussein. It's hard to find in the whole. New sentences. Genti's vision's been like a little off here and there where like there has been a cutback lane to hit. But last week, actually, I thought he ran well and had a good couple cupback green. So I'm with him.

Saddam was 6-2. Oh, he was a unit. Get his name out your mouth. Here's one thing that I want to say about. We were talking about vibes. Greg's like, I'm gonna get fired. The Guinness is showing off here. One and a half.

Denises, that's all it takes. The one, we were talking about vibes in the last game. This game, I think the Raiders vibes, after having the best off-season of any team, like in terms of vibes, like raising the floor. We got adults in charge now. Like, they got Gentie. They have this exciting new thing, like Pete Carroll.

It feels weird. The vibes are atrocious right now. And you know who the scapegoat is right now? Tom Brady. Brennan Carroll. Pete Carroll's son. Why? Who is the offensive line coach.

Actually, no. That is. The fans are turning on Brennan off. Because they have almost the exact same offensive line as the previous two seasons, especially last year. And they played, like, they punched above their weight last year where everyone was like, oh, wow, they're greater than the sum of their parts offensive line. Now it's like Colton Miller and four negatives. So I'm with it. And they moved guys around off their original like positions to try and like find the best five.

And so now that, like, there is no yardage available for Ashton. I think Gino's played pretty well except for that Chargers game, which was his worst start since, you know, getting the starting job in Seattle. I know not many people watch that Washington game, but he was under siege. And actually, I thought played pretty well overall. Hey, this is Matt Jones. Now, I'm Drew Franklin. And this is NFL cover zero.

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We've got the insight to help you crush your opponents. Listen to the NFL Fantasy Football podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Toyota, the official automotive partner of the NFL, visit Toyota.com slash NFL now to learn more. I'm going to go, and this is the second pick with both me and Cynthia and her computer model are agreeing not only in terms of who's on the same side, but these are our favorite confidence picks of the week, which is Packers minus seven.

I love this. I love the fact that the Packers lost last week. I'm surprised that this number is not like 10 and a half. I think the gap between the Packers and this Cowboys team without C.D. Lamb and the two offensive linemen is as big as Bill Saints. Like, I'm not saying the line needs to be that big because Tack Prescott's involved, but it could be double-digit points, and I still would be into that, like, if you wanted to move the line.

Like, I feel like the over-under on Packers' scoring is, 35 this was going to be my pick too I can come up with another one but like I like this one a lot too the Packers have one of the best defense they have the number one rated defense in DVOA and they're good on offense they are just such a complete team there was a reason people were talking about them you know before this like last week against the Browns where they kind of

collapsed as you know potentially going undefeated Super Bowl type team like the vibes are incredible they're very good on both sides of all they're the type of team that can beat you in so many different ways too whether it's Jordan Love, whether it's the pass rush, whether it's, you know, the run game. I think it all makes sense. And with a very injured Cowboys team, that's an easy pick for me. I think there's a lot of things in retrospect that look really good now for Green Bay. Like now that win against Detroit, everybody after that game was like, well, Detroit's a different team now.

Maybe they're not as good. Now that we've seen Detroit rebound a little bit and we're actually like, oh, Detroit might be one of the best teams in the NFC again. Packers winning 2713 in that game looks really good. And even, I mean, this loss to the Browns, I agree with you, Greg. that it's a perfect timing for the Packers to then come in and kick the shit out of the Cowboys in this game. Terrible luck for the Cowboys to face the Packers after this loss. But also the Brown's defense, when we look back on the season in retrospect, that 10-13 loss, we're going to say the Brown's defense actually might be one of the best defense in the league again. So I think

you can look at every game the Packers have played this season, and they look even better now, even though it's only been three weeks. I mean, also, when was the last time the Packers played a – where's the last time the Cowboys gave the Packers a competitive game? That's fair. the Descott game. That was like 10 years ago. I mean, number one, I don't know if we even want to go

into the analogy we have for the Cowboys defense. I feel like this is a family-friendly show. Yeah, yeah. The Mario-Cart, Rainbow Strip, perhaps. The Mario, yeah. That's kid-friendly. You ever play Mario Kart?

The Rainbow Turbo Strip, you hit that, you go 10 times as fast. That is the Cowboys defense this year. The Dallas defense, they have no pass rush and they have no cornerbacks. That's a pretty bad combo. And so Russell, as we just said on our show,

Russell Wilson threw for 454 yards, brought him to overtime. and then got benched. Like Caleb Williams just had the best game of his career against Matt Eberflus, the cowboy. He's a defensive coordinator. Who should have known Caleb better in the name? They have no cornerbacks.

I don't care if Trayvon Diggs and Duran planned end up playing in this game. Like, they're not healthy. Like, the Cowboys literally are running out of cornerbacks. They have no pass rushes. Who are the Cowboys' best three players in this game? Dak Prescott. Tyler Smith?

Who's the third, like, who's playing in this game? George Pickens. Pickens. Who this week, it's like, it's George Pickens time. George Pickens. I just. Exactly. No, I think this is smart.

It's that every week. If you ask George Pickens, hey, you could lose by 20, but you have 180 yards in two touchdowns, or you win by a point, don't catch a pass. What happens? What does he pick? I think it's obvious. Guarantee. I think DAC is top five quarterbacks in the league right now.

So I am fascinated to see that matchup. They, like Jeff Halfley is very creative, and I think they're going to come up with special ways to get Micah Parsons in one-on-one situations with some of these backups on the inside. Which one? There's multiple. Right. Like Cooper Beebe is out and Tyler Booker is out. And so TAC Prescott's one of the few quarterbacks, even short-handed, that I think could make this entertaining to the point that it's 40 to 25. But I just think on the other side, like, they're just not going to be able to keep up ultimately. Green Bay, first two weeks of the season, small sample, but they were pushing the ball downfield as much as anyone.

And they didn't do that against the Browns. But the Cowboys defense is allowing nine yards per attempt. nine, first down needs 10. They're allowing nine yards. Is that right? It can't be overstated that Russell Wilson threw for 450 yards against the Cowboys, the second most of his career,

and then seven days later was benched. That bought him one week. Hit the goalpost twice in a row. The ultimate and, you know, sign of like how bad this Cowboys defense is. Also, the matchup of Lafleur versus Iber Fluse, like Bears fans and Packers fans can remember very well. And Matt Iberflus is just running out the same old stuff.

Like, you can give him, like, the really expensive shave and the new haircut, but, like, you still running out that, like, 1995 defense. Well, it's just the same problem as the last Cowboys defensive coordinator. Mike Zimmer, who was running things that stopped working three years earlier. He brought him back three years later. It's the theme of the Cowboys. Their ideas are from 30 years ago.

Jerry Jones, older than Joe Biden. It's like that logic all the way down. I'm just saying, like, everyone is out of date with the ideas. I'm really big on the Packers. We are going to do a power rank. like segment on tomorrow's show with Michael McQuaid of pro football Ireland. And look, the Packers are going to be very high there. Okay, so we all agree on the Packers.

DK, I'm making you pivot now. Wait, so can we talk about the game that's happening in Ireland? Yeah, yeah, that's good. It's a good idea. I'm going to go against my two colleagues here. We actually picked the Steelers in the, when we do our picks in this game. But I want to pick the Vikings in this one. I think the, so what is the line?

Two and a half. It's up to two and a half. Vikings are giving two and a half. The public are on the Vikings as well. I just think the Vikings defense is one of the best defenses in the NFL. Number two, in defensive DVOA. They have an excellent pass rush. As you know, Brian Flores likes to mix things up in the blitz packages.

They're blitzing a ton, just making lives difficult for opposing quarterbacks. And we have on recent history of him doing that against Aaron Rogers. So I think this is going to be an ugly game, a back-and-forth game, lots of turnovers. But ultimately, I think the Vikings defense is going to be the difference. It makes sense on paper. I mean, at the end of the day, the Vikings coming off a 48 to 10 win, but I just overall,

and like, in theory, it's like the Steelers, all they do is let teams move the ball on them, but I'm like, at the end of the day, I don't think in a game where everyone's going to Europe, Carson Wentz is going to move the ball on the Steelers defense consistently,

and it's funny because it's cliche, but it's true. The Mike Tomlin games, these like ugly muck-em-up games, kind of like how the Steelers don't play normal games. I don't think the Aaron Rogers' Tomlin teams play normal games. And I do think this is going to be close in the fourth quarter,

and it's going to be Carson Wentz versus Aaron Rogers. And Carson Wentz versus T.J. Watt and Nate Herbig and Cam Hayward. The Steelers have playmakers. And you got Harmon back. Like, they should get better on defense and they showed signs last week. And don't forget, this game is 80 to 90 percent Steelers fans, the people in the back in the actual stadium. They're going to play Renegade. People are going to go crazy.

But don't, okay, so to me, it feels a little bit like one of those games where a few big momentum shifting defensive plays or special team. Like hypothetically Andrew Van Ginkle jumping a screen for a pick-stick. Things like that. And I have more faith in the Vikings defense to do that. I can imagine Carson Wentz on one play, like seeing his first reads not open. Herbig is screaming around the left side. So he panics. He starts running the other way.

And like Cam Ward, Cam Hayward just blast him. The ball flies up and they like return it for like a fumble return by Patrick Queen. And that's the big play. Because my head agrees with you, but there is something just. Yeah, yeah, yeah. In the air here, you got Dan Rooney looking down on him, the ambassador. You're not going to let the Steelers lose. Can I just make one caveat?

If Carson Wentz tries to throw a pass with his left hand, the bet's off. We need a cash-out option. To your point, I think this is a game that not only the Steelers are losing in half-time, I think they're losing through three-quarters. Coaching, I think, will dominate for three-quarters. The fourth quarter, it's going to be the players. Rogers versus Wentz.

Rogers and Watt versus Wentz, and I'm like in the fourth quarter in that moment, As long as the one-square game, I just think that's going to pull it out. How much were you rooting for Rogers to stay healthy last week? Because, my lord, if he had gotten hurt, Wentz versus Rudolph and I'm like, oh, man. It's a good call. I was torn because it was the Patriots going against them, but I also wanted like the two-and-one matchup versus two-and-one. It would have been Mason Rudolph versus Carson Wentz, which just like is not fun. We don't want to send that product over here.

Taking an eight-hour flight to watch Mason-Rudolph versus Carson-Wen. All right, I'm with you on that one. All right, let's wrap my picks. So Cynthia's third pick, by the way, the Washington commanders, who we were both on last week, and they did wind up covering. She has them as a road favorite in Atlanta. It's a one and a half point favorite.

Their defense has been a lot better this year. I think it slipped a little under the radar. It has been against bad opponents, but you got like Doran's Armstrong leading the league in pressures and their team, I think, leading the league in pressure rate, and it's going up against a foul. that has a lot of problems. My final pick, though, is a little spicier.

I like the Jags plus three and a half in San Francisco. I actually kind of like them to go and just win this game straight up. You like their defense a lot, right? Into that. Yeah, if you, they have really good players. And Campanile, you didn't know anything about him. He's the defensive coordinator coming into this, but he came from Green Bay. And they're just in that new world where they're showing all the disguises.

and it seems like it's working. And Trayvon Walker is a lot better than he used to be. And Heinz Allen is really good. And Jordan Lewis is like another ex-c cowboy defender that's playing much better away. Doran Armstrong is another one that I just mentioned. Like he's playing well.

I just think that 49ers have a lot of injuries and they've been skating by a little bit with these lucky games. Trayvon Walker working out is funny. I feel like he was considered such a bus for so long. Well, I think it's just a comparison. It's not like he's been bad. He just, Aiden Hutchinson.

It was the choice between him and Aiden Hutchinson, right? And that still looks bad, but if Walker was the seventh pick in the draft, he'd be like, great. Right. He's a plus-starred. Totally. Expectations minus reality. It's like Andrew Wiggins. It's like what Andrew Wiggins worked out is he's actually like a very solid role player,

but he was pegged as like Canadian Michael Jordan and, you know, he obviously wasn't that. To your point about the coordinator thing, I don't know if you feel this way. I think one of the hardest parts of the job is not just offense, but defense, trying to figure out which coordinators are going to work out in new spots because you can find the system, but it's not just bringing a system. It's, are you able to coach it and teach it to the players? Like, that's completely different than just knowing a system yourself. And you don't know, how do you know if someone's a good teacher or not?

It's just hard to figure out. But you're right. Like, the Jags defense, there is a lot of talent on that that has been used poorly. So I do think that raising the floor. And again, whatever the quarterback situation is it being for the Niners this week, like they have a lot of holes too. It sounds like it's pretty. As we're taping this, hopefully Pierce-all gets back at practice.

He finished out last week's game, so I would think he'd be. It's just precautionary. Okay, and they get a couple players back to Marcus Robinson is off suspension, but on defense, they're a little banged up there. And in general, I just feel like three and a half points is what does it. They call the extra half point the hook, and like that does hook me. I think they've been slightly better. If you look at overall team DVOA, this is actually a really good game.

It's the number nine team in the league, the 49ers, versus the number 10 team in the league. And that's what the Jaguars have looked like to my eye. like they kind of look like a six seed to me and Trevor Lawrence is still missing a lot of throws and they're figuring out Hunter but they looked well coached we just talked about like the Raiders and Brendan Carroll like their offensive line is moving people they're protecting Lawrence like the plays seem like they make sense to me Devin Lloyd is like playing really well I just I just kind of like them Would you make a Lawrence and Brian Thomas? That's annoying. Well, yeah, because I was going to say from a fantasy point of view, which is like what we focus on primarily, it's like the Jags have been a mess,

just from fantasy point of view. Brian Thomas, one of the biggest disappointments so far this year. If you have to create the blame pie chart for Brian Thomas, who absorbs most of the responsibility? It seems like it's mostly Brian Thomas, but maybe them, Jordan Rodriguez talked about on our show this week, a little bit. Liam Cohen trying to fit him into some

prototype that he's not you know like this outside like Cooper Cup type Robert Woods receiver and it's like that's not who he is and maybe he's just like thinking too much but going back to training camp apparently he was having all these drops and all these struggles and him being in it's kind of like the yips or something but he's open yeah and like

the Diami Brown's open although he might be heard for this game like Brenton Strange is good like Parker Washington's is open. Parker Washington, I had an intrusive thought last week. I was like, just watching the game. I'm like, Parker Washington is the best receiver of this team. He looked good last year, too. I don't believe that, but he thought. So I am buying the Jaguars. The three and a half points is enough. We did everyone, right? We did every one, right? We did every pick. We got through all of Cynthia's picks. Again, she has the Jets and the Packers, Jets plus two and a half. I am the Packers minus seven along with Cynthia. So we agree there. We have the same picks. She has the Commanders

minus one and a half. I also threw in the Jaguars plus three and a half. D.K., you went with the Vikings. I like that our listeners are just getting free picks. This feels like you ever listen to those shows on the radio on like 8.30 in the morning on like eight. They're still on in L.A., like when I'm on my way to work, like on A.M. Ready where they're like,

I'll give you one pick now and you call $1,800. Like, who is paying for what they're calling the 1-800 line for like the other good picks? But the free picks are still out. Where do you think I got my Chargers picked? I just, I just mean you could have picked like any other game. Our real picks, that's what the guy on the phone set. Our real picks are on our Patreon, so if you want to subscribe to that, you can hear our actual.

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And, yeah, we're going to have some fun out in the city. Hopefully, I don't know. We'll see you before the game. We're coming to us to the Book of Kells. That's right. We are going to the Book of Kells on Saturday after noon. You double-booked. You forgot about that thing.

No, no, I didn't. Double-booked of Kells us. Oh. Oh, wow. I didn't know anything about this, but I am a dork and would have probably spent my Saturday anyways, like walking around Dublin and going. to like old bookstores and this is like I was like do you want to do any tours and stuff with us you were like no and I was like it's an old book he was like sign me up hold on this book is

so old it's so how old is it yeah it's like a thousand years old it's like 1500 years old something like that 800 AD so we're going to do that we're going to finish these guineas is in front of me and you will hear me next in the feed we have an extra show this week I mentioned it earlier It's Michael McQuaid from the pro football Ireland. He is like the rich Eisen of Ireland. He will love this compliment. He is just dominating all of like his competitors and just frankly squashing them out

as he tries to just become an international superstar. So he's on the show. We're going to talk about football interest in Ireland. We're going to do a little powerful. We'll talk about this game. That's going to come up. A bonus show on Saturday. It's just been a joy to have you guys on.

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