NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Week 6 picks & Colts vs. Texans recap

Episode Date: October 10, 2014

A room full of heroes -- Dan Hanzus, Gregg Rosenthal, Chris Wesseling and Marc Sessler -- preview every game on the Week 6 NFL slate and recap the Colts' 33-28 win over the Texans.Learn more abo...ut your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This is an I-Heart podcast. The Around the NFL podcast is strong coming off the bye week. Welcome back to another edition of the Around the NFL podcast. My name is Dan Hanses, and I am joined by a room filled with heroes. Mark Sessler, Chris Wessling, and Greg Rosenthal. What up, boys? Hey, Dan. We have a bye week.
Starting point is 00:00:25 I've not been notified of this. I'll take a week off. Haven't you proposed that? Yeah, you want it to leave for a whole month or something like that. Well. Give me a break. Oh, right. Yeah, that was your plan.
Starting point is 00:00:35 How long you could disappear and get away with it. That's my Odell Beckham plan. You should be lucky to be inside the studio today. Of all the podcasts we've ever done, this is going to be the best one ever. Wow. Why do you say that? I don't think that seems true. I'm going to get a hero pick on that.
Starting point is 00:00:49 I just got a feeling. Magic I can feel it. I don't like we need to set those expectations up top. Yeah, no, I felt that unnecessary. But we're going to do our best. That's all we can really say. This is our, of course, our Thursday. big week six mega preview show we're going to go through all the games on another week of NFL action talk about who we picked go over our hero picks have people defend their heroes all that good stuff before we get into any of the games we've got a lot to get to so we're going to get into it quickly let's first throw it to the gentleman that handled the Thursday night action take it away guys thanks Dan pulling the late shift here with Chris Wesleying and we were lucky we were lucky we
Starting point is 00:01:30 this time, I mean, Andrew Luck throws for 370 yards, Colts win a tight game, and they're in first place, and yet all I can really think about right now is J.J. Watt. Am I crazy? Yeah, our instant debate this week was who was more fun to watch Andrew Luck or J.J. Watt. You have to go with the quarterback because the camera's on him. But even as great as luck was tonight, Watt was the show. I think luck was more fun tonight.
Starting point is 00:01:55 Yeah, I think you're trying to be too cute and sound smart about football if you say J.J. Watt. but he is the most fun defensive player to watch in my lifetime, and he's in the middle of the most dominant stretch that any defensive player has had that I've ever seen. It's not hyperbole. That I've ever witnessed this stretch this season is as dominant. Defensive players aren't supposed to take over games like this. I was just a little kid when Lawrence Taylor was playing,
Starting point is 00:02:21 so I don't know if he was that dominant. It wouldn't surprise me if he was. Probably was. But I have the second everything you said. Well, and the thing with why. Don't come at me with, oh, he was lucky, picked up a fumble and took it back. First of all, that was a wildly athletic play. Second of all, he was blowing up their running game, three tackles for loss and in another
Starting point is 00:02:40 bunch of ones right at the line of scrimmage all by himself, two sacks, three passes, defense, killed a couple drives basically as a pass defender, and then, you know, you add in four QB hits and the touchdown, too. Yeah, there's nobody like him. He should be in the MVP race. I was waiting for that. It was coming. I knew it was coming.
Starting point is 00:03:03 Just how to do it, man. Tad he had to do it. And so Watt, of course, helped the Texans come back in this game. It was looking like a Thursday night laffer again. The Colts win 3328, but the score was 24 to nothing after one quarter. At one point early in the second quarter, the Colts had 218 yards. The Texans had negative one yard. So what did the Colts?
Starting point is 00:03:29 do what did you see from Andrew luck first of all to get this big lead and then kind of blow it the rest of the game well luck is on pace for 5300 yards and 45 touchdowns people I would like to say unenlightened people get on him for making too many interceptions and mistakes but that's because he's taking chances that other quarterbacks don't take and that means that the kultz make bigger plays than other than other teams and they're leading the NFL and points per game this year because of it talk about putting on a show I mean he and t yilton put on the show. Tiwai Hilton, 223 yards that throws down the field were beauties. But, you know, me and you, we love little pocket movement. No one, no one is better at pocket movement and just
Starting point is 00:04:10 has an innate, insane feel of how to get away from pressure and buy some extra time and then deliver a dart right down the middle of the field and Andrew Luck. It's like he has eyes in the back of his head sometimes with guys coming on the blind side and he just runs away from it. Yeah, while we're discussing the best we've ever seen, he's the best I've ever seen in pocket movement and he's only in his third. He was that good in pocket movement as a rookie. Yeah, I would say Tom Brady would be up there for me, but early in his career,
Starting point is 00:04:37 but it's different with luck because he brings a, you know, elite sort of top five most athletic quarterbacks to the mix, and Tom Brady could never do that. You know, the problem, I think, with the Colts in this game, you know, you've got to give the Texans defense credit. You've got to give Ryan Fitzpatrick and Aaron Foster some credit for the comeback, but they didn't move the ball well in the second half,
Starting point is 00:04:57 partly because they couldn't run, 2.7 yards per carry. Because that's when JJ Watt took over the game. Right. I mean, this is a team that you want to see them be able to close out games. Trent Richardson, 2.4 yards per carry. Sort of the same way that we've seen in Mod Bradshaw. And you know why Trent Richardson had 2.4 yards per carry? Because there's some runs that you see.
Starting point is 00:05:17 Any other running back would have broken off for 30 yards and there's a hole and he decides to run sideways or backwards. He has no vision. He's afraid of too much space. he's all that space and he freaks out and he's like let's get back to the middle where all the bodies are and I'll just start running over some people yeah he just his instincts and vision are way off this was a really fun game because we saw some unbelievable players Andre johnson who's not as explosive as he once was made a ton of great catches help lead this comeback my guy well he's not my guy at all but for this game can you at least give ryan fitzpatrick a little bit of
Starting point is 00:05:51 credit for throwing some nice passes down the field i thought he played well this game how low is the bar that we're setting here. He had 9.2 yards per attempt that would lead the league. He didn't do anything for me. Oh, my gosh. Some of the sideline passes he had. He had one of Demaris Johnson, one to Andre Johnson. He was under pressure.
Starting point is 00:06:09 That offensive line is not really good right now. And I think that's one thing that gets lost. This defense is not really very good anymore. It's just JJ Watt. It's a boring defense. They miss Wade Phillips. They have Romeo Cornell. It was just J.J. Watt.
Starting point is 00:06:23 The secondary to me is overrated. And then the offensive line, which, used to be really good, it's not very good either, especially not protecting Fitzpan. We should credit the Colts defense a little bit, too. They are now tied for the league lead in sacks, and we thought their pass rush would disappear without Robert Mathis. Bjorn Werner, sealed the game with a strip sack after getting Flacco twice last week, and they've given up only three-third-down conversions in the last three weeks. Wow. Yeah, you do have to give the Colts defense credit. Not a totally consistent game,
Starting point is 00:06:55 but in the end, the Colts' offense's last three drives were fumble, punt, punt, and the Texans got the ball back two different times where they could have maybe taken the lead. The Colts got a takeaway from Andre Johnson, and then they got a takeaway by sacking Ryan Fitzpatrick. You mentioned Werner. So in the end, it was the Colts defense that closed out the game. But I always kind of felt when Houston had the ball, it was almost like the volume was turned down on the game. You know what I mean? It's like when Watt and Luck were on the field, it was like, that was the game.
Starting point is 00:07:29 We were just kind of bide in time until they got back on there. With one exception, Arian Foster hasn't lost a step. Oh, yeah. He looks great. He looks this year. I mean, he had one game he lost to a hamstring injury, and one game he only had six rushing yards against the bills, and he's still second only to DeMarco Murray and looks as good as, it looks as good as the numbers. He's looked incredible the last two weeks.
Starting point is 00:07:50 We talked about him on Wednesday's podcast. I'm excited to watch these two teams play again in week 15. I don't know if Houston will still be in the mix. We might be watching Ryan Mallet. It's cool that the most exciting offensive player in the league, I think quarterback, Andrew Luck, and the most exciting defensive player in the league, the two most exciting young players in the league,
Starting point is 00:08:14 they're in the same division. We get to watch them twice a year, probably for, I don't know, let's sign up for another seven, eight, nine years of this. And they lived up to expectations tonight and then some. They did. All right, we got to get to all the week six games. So to do that, let's send it back to Dan Hanzas. Here we go, gentlemen.
Starting point is 00:08:34 So let's get into the week six scheduled, the guts of it. And why don't we start, as we always do with three games that jump out to us, that excite us, that make us feel like men? So let's go up to the clink. Century, clink, field, century link field, whatever. It's called the Seattle Seahawks, three-and-one, coming off a home win, excuse me, a road win over the Washington Redskins now, invite the Dallas Cowboys into their house. The Dallas Cowboys at four-in-one playing these three-and-one Seahawks. Really, if people aren't convinced about the Cowboys, and we have every right to not be convinced about the Cowboys, given their track record, they can make a lot of believers by putting up a really good effort or even knocking off the Seahawks.
Starting point is 00:09:20 Is there any way that happens? No. Thessler was saying he had a feeling it might happen. Well, I'm not saying it's logical. And you could look a million ways at this game and say it's not possible. But I have this strange sensation that the Dallas Cowboys are going to go up to Seattle and do what other teams cannot do. And I look at that.
Starting point is 00:09:42 I'll tell you why. I think it's their offense. No, but that's because I'll tell you why. Every week. Because of the corporate eyes staring down in us And the many schedules we adhere to I have to make my picks on like an early on a Wednesday You're allowed to change it
Starting point is 00:09:57 Go with it Let's see if I do. I just might do that Call your bluff No, I may do that When I get downstairs and get onto a laptop that functions I will do that This is just a prop, this is nothing on this thing That's a lie also
Starting point is 00:10:11 But I can't get into it I agree with you I said on Wednesday's podcast I thought this was going to be a close game I won't go that far I think the Seahawks are just by far the best team in the NFL. And Greg, I liked what you said on Monday night. You tweeted that it's kind of fun to have like a real favorite in the NFL,
Starting point is 00:10:28 like a true defending champion that you can really be the big ball and the Giants are jokes like the next year. The Seahawks, it's like you know, you want the top guy to you have to knock him off. But this is what the Cowboys have working for them. That great offensive line, DeMarco Murray, running better than anyone. Tony Romo back to his old self. They're playing with a lot of confidence as a team. I think they had the nobody believes in this factor going into Seattle. I think it's a three-point game, Chris Wessling.
Starting point is 00:10:53 Out! Complete whitewash blowout coming. We talked about this in the newsroom. The Seahawks are better and not just by a little bit now than they were in the run-up to the Super Bowl. Ever since they got Percy Harvin back for the Super Bowl, they've been a much better offense, like heads and shoulders above what their offense was last year. Is the defense better, though? I don't think it matters.
Starting point is 00:11:14 The defense is close enough to what they've been. were last year that with Harvin out there he makes Lynch better he makes Russell Wilson better they're a lot more deceptive in what they do not only are they deceptive but they're deceptive with their best players well that is extremely logical and I can appreciate that but what about the magic of life sometimes things happen that fall outside of the Wesleyan methodology sure I have no I have no comeback to that because you're absolutely correct the bucket of almost beat Seattle last year with Bobby Rainey, I believe, running through them. So things happen.
Starting point is 00:11:47 Mike James. But let's, oh, it was Mike James, that's right. Well, some no-nameer, that's who it was. Right. But let's not get carried away with these Cowboys. They haven't really looked like a top 10 type of team. They're four and one because they've overachieved and their defense plays aggressive, even if they're not that talented, and they're a good running game.
Starting point is 00:12:05 Like, let's see what's going to happen when they fall down two scores and Romo actually has to go deep instead of dink and dunk in every play, because it's, They haven't been able to do that this year. I'm more with West that it's a blowout. I feel like once a year, the last couple of years, Seattle has been tested at home in a game that you think they're going to take care of business. This is the game where I think it happens. But we all, except for, I was going to say, we all pick the Seahawks, except for Mark
Starting point is 00:12:27 Chessler. I'm going to shift over and you're going to let me make a hero pick of it. Donate a free game to us, buddy boy. Let's do it. I agree the Seahawks will be tested at home this year, but it won't be this week. Yeah, they were. They went to overtime last week. That was it.
Starting point is 00:12:41 All right, moving forward, the Cleveland Browns coming off that crazy, wild, compact victory over the Tennessee Titans. Now play a game, like a real gut check game. They are going to be at home in their building, playing the Pittsburgh Steelers, their longtime rival. I believe, Mark, correct if I'm wrong, the Steelers are 28 and 2 since 1999 against the Browns. Well, Big Ben is 18 and 2. That's really when, I think, the pure domination kicked out. Right. So now this is a big chance to make a statement for the Browns, who,
Starting point is 00:13:11 who are potentially near the same level as a team as the Steelers, at least in their building, you would think this could be a game they should win, but will they? I like their chances. I took them, and it's, you know, again, it's a little bit of magic feeling. It's a fact that they're the home team, and they have a quarterback that's playing better right now. Brian Hoyer's not, you know, a top 10 quarterback by any mean,
Starting point is 00:13:34 but he's turning into this year's Nick Foles, and he's gotten better each and every week. He pulled off a lot of tough passes in that Tennessee game. and this Steelers' defense has been disappointing this year. They've given up a lot of points. I think the Browns will pass on them, and I think they'll get that win. I think the best thing Cleveland has going for them right now is their offensive line. They've had talent on that line for a couple of years,
Starting point is 00:13:55 but there were always issues at the guard spot, and they've got that thing locked down right now. Kyle Shanahan said that no team has learned his zone blocking scheme quicker than this group of players. I like that, but there are a lot of issues with Cleveland. They can't stop the run. and Levyon Bell had his way with Cleveland in week one, and every team since has also done the same.
Starting point is 00:14:15 So I am concerned about the Browns not going back in and giving up another 25 points to start the thing. I like what you said. Pro Football Focus has ranked the Browns as the best offensive line in the NFL right now. And Daniel Jeremiah compared Hoyer to Matt Hasselbeck on his podcast. I see him. I like that podcast.
Starting point is 00:14:36 It's very good. Very strong show. I mean, it's okay. I see it more like a Matt Schaubb type of situation where in the Shanahan offense, it's all boot action. Yeah. And almost everything Hoyer is doing so well is based off the run game, that's great coaching. You got to admit, though, when you saw Hoyer kind of jam one of those passes in there last week, clutch situation between a couple defenders and pressure in his face, you know, there's a little bit of...
Starting point is 00:15:02 That first touchdown to Benjamin was very impressive. You got a little bit of Chris Wesley, and that's, you know, he's starting to fall for Brian Hoyer. Wes, I'm holding in my hands, the NFL media research notes, which I know you enjoy. Here's a note. Ben Rathlisberger's 18-1 record against the Browns translates to the highest winning percentage of any starting QB against a single opponent since 1950. Number two, Roger Staubeck, 16-1 against some terrible Giants teams. We didn't need that book because Cessler already made that point. Actually, I get more details.
Starting point is 00:15:33 Back then it was 18 and 2, so at least we corrected it. Got it right, too. I think maybe what I did was just make a correct prediction. Ooh. And, you know, this week also the number three most dominant QB versus a team combo in NFL history are going to be playing up in Buffalo, Tom Brady, 22 and 2, I believe, versus the most. And, Wes, my notes tell me, 917 is the winning percentage of 22 and 2. I don't know how we could do the podcast without that tidbit.
Starting point is 00:16:00 Listen, that is how we operate. Anything else to say about this? So this is what would make me the most nervous. if I'm a Browns fan, it's actually a game between the Browns and Steelers, and three of the five of us have picked the Browns. That is a little worried. That always is a death knell. That's a death knell.
Starting point is 00:16:16 So Wes and Kevin Patrick took the Steelers. The Steelers are actually small underdogs in this game. Yes, I am continuing to needle Mark Sessler, as you would put it. Fair enough. Let's move on. Finally, the New York Giants coming off, is it three straight Wednesday? That is true. They're rolling.
Starting point is 00:16:33 They head to Philadelphia to play the genius. You need to check your... stat book for that one? I will. I will be pouring through that in a moment. The Philadelphia Eagles, so we got a big NFCE showdown right now. The Eagles are in first place or not in first place in the division, but they have a
Starting point is 00:16:48 I think a lot of people thought they would be the favorite in this division, and now it seems a lot more wide open. We talked about it on Wednesday's show that, Wes, I think you said do you believe the Giants are the favorite to win this division? So do you think the Giants take care of business on the road against Philly? I do. I think they're a more complete,
Starting point is 00:17:04 solid, better team than the Eagles right now, so I don't care where they're playing. I think the Giants will win. This is another game that I don't like the pick I made 24 hours ago. I'm a new human being right now, and I don't like any of the picks I made from a day ago. They look like a disaster.
Starting point is 00:17:20 Just pick with it. Well, because you can analyze the game without your pick. No one cares. I like New York's defense this season, too, on some level, and I don't like what's going on with Philadelphia's offensive line. It's been an absolute disaster, but they do keep finding ways to win at they're at home. That's why I went with them.
Starting point is 00:17:36 Ask Jake Matthews about Jason Pierre Paul. I don't have his number here or anything. Clown suits all throughout the second half last week. Can we get him on the phone? Get Jake Matthews on the phone. Ask him about the clown suit that JPP put on him. Forget about JPP. Well, don't forget about him. He's been good in a key part of them turning around. But how about Jonathan Hankins? That guy's killing it every week. Coming out of nowhere, second year player for the Giants, and it's starting to remind you a little bit of those defensive lines that they had a couple years ago where they have talent all over the place.
Starting point is 00:18:04 Kewanuka's playing fairly well. Former Bronco Robert Ayers is playing pretty well. Yeah, he seems to make a player to each week. And Hankins is a second year player. Just through five games for them, he's played like a pro bowler. I mean, he's been that good where he's been one of the best interior players in the league. And every time this team's made a playoff run, it's been with strong play from Eli, whether or not you like them or not, and good defensive line play.
Starting point is 00:18:26 And we're getting, at this point in the season, we're getting both. I think this is the best stretch of play that Eli Manning has had since 2011. I don't even think it's close. No, I don't think it's close either. And it's almost as if, like, Nick Foles and Eli Manning have switched bodies now because Foles is now throwing the wildly inaccurate. Who's the winner of that exchange? That would be a movie I would not want to see.
Starting point is 00:18:48 Yeah, it's not a good situation for Nick Folles. So when I want to watch the Eagles this weekend, you want to see what's going on. Yeah, it would be a great movie. They made those movies forever where you would just switch the body. Not with this scenario. This is the Kirk Cameron Dudley Moore one. Yeah. Sorry,
Starting point is 00:19:04 yeah, no, it's okay. That was much more interesting, but whatever I was thinking of. But no, I'd be interested to see. Foles again, week after week, you wait to see if he kind of returns the form. It hasn't happened yet in LaShaul McCoy. Let's not bury the league. But Dan is an NFC East, absolute fanatic, dating back to your early childhood. This is a fever dream for you to have three teams with winning records in a division
Starting point is 00:19:27 people left her dead in August? I think what's misunderstood here is that I enjoy the NFCE growing up in that area, but everyone else that I work with hates the NFC, so it makes it seem like I like the more. With a white-hot passion. Yeah, so it's like, I think it's a little misconstrued. But yes, I always liked it. I loved it. I've said it on the podcast before.
Starting point is 00:19:46 Sunday mornings going to my grandparents' house, and there's old poppy sitting on his brown couch, watching the giants drinking roopier and, like, yelling at the TV at Phil Sims and Parcells. Those were good days. It's a slice of Americana right there. It certainly is. All right, let's move on.
Starting point is 00:20:00 It's time to talk as we do with this portion, Mark, because you said you're a new man. I don't know if you have any memory of the past. I'm just disenchanted with my choices from yesterday. Wait, so who did you choose in the Giants' Eagles anyways? I don't even remember. He doesn't even know. I'll tell you.
Starting point is 00:20:16 I'll tell you who he chose. Mark chose. I took the Giants. I know West took the Eagles. That's what I'm saying. I don't like that. No, I took the G-Men. Patrick took the Eagles as well.
Starting point is 00:20:26 So we're split. A lot of games. I think this is the best slate of games in terms of tough games to pick that we've had all year. I would agree with that. It was a tough one. So this is the time of the show, gentlemen, where we defend our heroes. And I'm upset because for the second straight week, I have no hero to defend. You guys block me.
Starting point is 00:20:43 And I did. I've gotten heat on Twitter for not having hero picks lined up this week. And I try to tell people we can't control getting a hero pick. You make your pick. And then hopefully no one else picks that team. So I've had luck in two weeks where I've had a bunch like that And some have worked out But I've had now four weeks where I got no hero picks
Starting point is 00:21:02 If they haven't figured out the way it works by now They're beyond hope By the way I did just control a hero pick right here in the studio Well you did in this case Yeah I basically said I want to switch my pick into a hero pick And everyone just said yes please do whatever you like Go for it buddy
Starting point is 00:21:20 Whatever you like We suckered you into one just like I suckered Rosie into one Downstairs yesterday we'll get to All right, so let's start with Greg. Greg had two hero books. So why don't we talk about that one? Because I got him on the hook. The Washington Redskins heading to Arizona to face the Cardinals.
Starting point is 00:21:38 The rest of the ATL team believes the Cardinals will take care of business. Perhaps I know we might, we have, when we do our picks, just to let you behind the curtain, we're allowed to change it if there's some quarterback change going on. This is certainly the case with the Cardinals right now. Carson Palmer, we don't know what's going on with him and his firing nerve. and we don't know if Drew Stanton is going to be able to play because he is the concussion. Logan Thomas took first team reps on Thursday,
Starting point is 00:22:03 so this seems to be heading towards a Logan Thomas. Prediction. Neither of Greg's hero picks will be hero picks by the end of Friday. I would agree with that. I think we're wasting time. So as for now, as for now, Greg, you have a hero pick on the Redskins, so defend your hero. Your hero.
Starting point is 00:22:27 Depend your hero. Well, look, I don't know what you guys do early in the week, but part of my job is to kind of check out the news of what's going on around the NFL. It's part of our name and everything, and you check out the news. And I looked and I saw Carson Palmer is trying to do crazy methods to re-fire a nerve in his arm. And Drew Stanton had a concussion last week. And I thought, well, it might not be great to start the rookie project, sixth round pick that's one for 10 last week in Denver and that the Washington Redskins
Starting point is 00:23:00 aren't quite as bad a team as they've been and that they can go get a win on the road it's not going to be some crazy upset to do that you know what I did early this week I looked at the protocol you set yeah that says we can change our picks based on the quarterback later in the week so I thought I'd just pick a sub team in there for now I like and then revisit it on track it's called flexibility and versatility I consider that but I also thought all right How great is Carson Palmer going to be right now coming off of a month off? And how about this Cardinals team with so many injuries, including Cleas Campbell and Matt Shaughnessy, a lot of their injuries have been at the same position.
Starting point is 00:23:35 Patrick Peterson isn't 100%. I just think they're at the point where they've had so many injuries. They're no longer that great a team. That Matt Shanesee injury is, that's rough. Debilitating. Doesn't he right for the Boston Globe? Is it possible that this might actually swing all the way back around? because I ain't switching my pick.
Starting point is 00:23:52 An old Danny boy gets a hero pick out of this. I think Greg, if he wanted to approach this segment more effectively, would have convinced us why he had made a mistake so that we would have all stuck with Arizona and kept you. You convinced me, Greg, to switch my pick over to your Washington Reds. Well, I know between the three of you, and I'm including Kevin Patra,
Starting point is 00:24:13 our distaste for Kansas' honking and press conferences about all his heroes will prevent one of you guys. You'll just take one for the team. team and not change your picture. So why don't you be that guy? I can't do that. You don't even understand what you're talking about right now. I picked the card.
Starting point is 00:24:29 I mean, would it really be that crazy, by the way? I don't think the Redskins are that bad of a team. You guys seem to, you guys kind of liked them a couple weeks ago, and now you're just totally done. I think like 85% of the league is going to be 8 and 8 when the season's over. That's what I'm crazy. That's what I'm saying. I don't think the Cardinals are that much better in the Redskins.
Starting point is 00:24:44 I agree with you. But they do play well at home. Yep. The Baltimore Ravens are heading to Tampa to face the Buccaneers. the rest of us we all thought the Baltimore Ravens were going to take care of business but Mark Sessler
Starting point is 00:24:56 he feels differently Mark believes and he's looking at me right now like he cannot believe he made this pick but that's exactly you pick you're in on Mike Lennon you're in on
Starting point is 00:25:06 Doug Martin getting it together you're excited about the bucks tell us why defend your hero that I must have just pressed the incorrect button on this
Starting point is 00:25:15 full on meltdown mode Mark in meltdown mode in his picks you are a factory Are we going to just have to have Marks sit out the Thursday night shows or something from now? I mean, you've got to come with your picks. Let me make a case for the bucks because had a few things swung differently last week, we'd be talking about a team that just knocked off the Steelers and Saints in back-to-back weeks.
Starting point is 00:25:41 Okay. On the road. On the road. Now they come home, and the Baltimore Ravens, better team than they were last year on a lot of fronts. I'm impressed with the Ravens and what they're done with their offense, but I do think this is going to be one of those weird games that Tampa. Mike Glennon has helped that offense a lot. When they had McCown in there, and you can say McCown isn't fully healthy,
Starting point is 00:26:02 whatever you want to say, that offensive line hasn't gotten a whole lot better, but they are moving the ball with Glennon, and that is the only reason I look at Tampa as a potential win here. That's recovery. Yeah? Strong. I was charged with covering both of Glennon's games the past two weeks. didn't move the ball at all in the first half against the Steelers
Starting point is 00:26:21 didn't move the ball for the first at least quarter and a half against the Saints he struggles a lot and I think it's a little overblown how well he's played overall I don't trust him. He makes some fancy passes though where he's backing up and he just whips it out and he's just like wow. Well Wesleyan you make a good point
Starting point is 00:26:39 it's not that he again this is a guy that is a project quarterback they're still developing him and he's not going to be consistent the way when you look across the field at Big Ben and Drew Breeze necessarily. But he seems to get hot. He is a little streaky. The whole offense, the whole team is streaky. Again, I think when we do these heroes, it's not all pure logic and mathematical equations.
Starting point is 00:27:00 I'm just saying Tampa's going to do so. Who would have picked him to beat the Steelers two weeks ago or take the Saints down in the final few minutes? Yeah, sometimes you look at the breadth of the season. I mean, that's kind of one of the reasons I picked the Redskins. They're just like, that team, you can kind of look at how their whole season. season's going to go. They don't really look like a one in five team. Maybe the bucks after the last couple weeks, they're a better team than their record indicates.
Starting point is 00:27:23 They're at home. I'm still ready to fork them. I'd do it right now. Really? Again, I also do not remember picking them, so I'm doing the best I can. Yeah, no, he did a good job. It'd be great if this was a bit, but you can tell by the look at Mark's eyes when Dan first brought it up that he really had no idea. I thought that maybe something was wrong at first. I was like, oh, he just doesn't realize what he's about to have to do. I don't know. Moving forward, I think, Greg, you usually are a little more locked in on your pick,
Starting point is 00:27:49 so I'm going to say you know that you took the Jaguars to get the first win of the season on the road against the Titans, who you must imagine are in the tank after blowing a 28 to 3 lead over the Browns, and now you believe the Jaguars will come in and build on that tankage. Dan, one thing, that's the Titans, Tennessee Titans. Really? One of the 32 teams in the NFL. In the AFC, in fact. Actually, I like that name.
Starting point is 00:28:14 You just lost their last Titans fan that still listened to the show. They don't have fans. You know, come on, they got fans. I don't know, maybe after last week that that number could have crept down quite a way. What do the Titans do well? They don't do anything well. Jake Locker isn't healthy. I'll tell you what they do well.
Starting point is 00:28:31 When it's third and nine, they do a really good job of throwing a third and four pass. Right, exactly. Good boy, Jesus. This is a team that lost at home by, you know, 16 points of the Cowboys. They got blown out in Cincinnati and Indie. Indianapolis. I think Blake Bordels is obviously the best quarterback in this game. Jake Locker might not be starting. I just think the Jaguars aren't a 0-1-16 type of team. If they're going to win a game, this is the week to do it. As Wesleyan astutely pointed out earlier, with Jake Locker looking like he's not a go, when we made our picks, you know, 78 hours ago, and it was up in the air, it looks like if Whitehurst is in there, it's literally less than 24 hours.
Starting point is 00:29:08 Well, this is another area where we could switch right out over to the Blake Bortles Express. No quarterback has had me seething as much as Charlie Whitehurst did against the Browns since Jason Campbell threw 50 checkdowns against the Bengals last year. It's funny, I was going to bring that up. Like if I ever wanted to really get back at Wesleyan, if he did something to me, all I would do is just throw a bunch of checkdown passes in front of him because that's what really gets West going. Whitehurst ended four second-hand possessions in a row
Starting point is 00:29:39 by throwing short of the sticks on third down. could we see just oh god let's say this goes ugly could we see Mettenberger in this game absolutely yeah
Starting point is 00:29:48 that's why I'm starting to feel grim right now because I just realized that I did pick Charlie Whitehurst to win a game like start a game and be in there and then win it
Starting point is 00:29:58 you pick Jake Locker to win one if he doesn't play you can switch that pick Dan here's what Charlie Whitehurst is doing to a person when you watch him play you're thinking why can't this guy play more like Austin Davis
Starting point is 00:30:08 that's scary territory I think that about a lot of people. I wish I could play like Austin Davis. He's been pretty good. Make some money. All right, so we have, those are the hero picks, and let's get to the rest of the games because
Starting point is 00:30:23 got a lot of good ones. We'll start. Why do we start in Minnesota, Teddy Bridgewater? He's going to be back. He's been full practice this week. He says he's 100%. And now he gets a chance to play the Detroit Lions. This should be a very, I think, a competitive matchup. One guy that I really, I'm
Starting point is 00:30:39 interested in, Quarderal Patterson, who they cannot seem to get going now after he came into the season with all that hype started off well, disappeared from the offense. Do you think we're going to start seeing him get back on track? I know we did it around the NFL post today about they're going to make a concerned effort. Is it going to happen? That's a good question.
Starting point is 00:30:59 I think he's the kind of guy they, you kind of have to treat him like the Seahawks treat Harvin and get the ball in his hands on end arounds, jet sweeps, screen passes, crossers, and it's bizarre that they haven't done that. It's almost like Norv Turner's gotten a little too cute because, okay, you're out in the opening, you're going to use them that way in week one, and a month's passed, we haven't seen it since. This is a team that's changed so much from last season. There's such a youth movement.
Starting point is 00:31:26 If you got Teddy in there a quarterback, you got Cordero is your number one ride receiver in theory, and you got Jerich McKinnon in the backfield. It's like, why not just make sure that Cordero gets the ball? Norv Turner did that last year with Josh Gordon. Well, some of it's on Patterson, too, because he doesn't get open. When he's just going out for the regular sort of wide receiver route tree, by all accounts, he's not getting open. He's not really too polished as a route runner.
Starting point is 00:31:50 So, yes, you have to be creative and getting him the ball in other ways. But part of it is also because he's not that developed as a wide receiver. I mean, are they learning that he's not the ex-wide receiver they thought he'd be? I think it's more about the word route runner, which we use generically. People think it's just going out and running the right route. Route running also means reading the defense before the snap and being on the same page as your quarterback because they're option routes and you have to know whether to break in
Starting point is 00:32:16 or break out or go deep or stay in. And if he's not on the same page with his quarterback, that's probably what's going on. And they've had – Brady and Welker were famous for that, their ability to kind of read each other's mind. And they haven't had the same quarterback back-to-back weeks all season. So it's kind of hard –
Starting point is 00:32:30 it's kind of hard to kill any of this offense for any lacquhythm because it changes. The running backs change every week. Peterson's not there. It's like been Ponder last week. That's fair. I will say this, too. Greg, Patra, and Wes all pick the lions in this game.
Starting point is 00:32:43 And I know we're talking up Golden Tate, and he deserves it. He's playing very well. But Calvin Johnson is probably not playing in this game. And if he is, he's, again, going to be a decoy type guy, but expect him not to play. That's still a huge loss for this team, Golden Tate or not. It is. I think the Lions are a top six team in the NFL with Calvin Johnson. And everybody would see him that way if they had a kicker this year.
Starting point is 00:33:06 They would be seen unanimous. as a top six team. They have the number of one defense in Football Outsiders metrics this year, pacing the whole league. And I think, I mean, ask Aaron Rogers how good their defense is, or Eli Manning, or anyone else they beat this year. They have a really good defense. But I
Starting point is 00:33:21 agree with you. Calvin Johnson's a big difference-making type of player. And we don't know about the running backs either. Bush and Bell are both banged up. There's a potential they both play. There's a potential they both are out. And that's why this was the single toughest game for me to pick on the schedule. And I guess
Starting point is 00:33:37 it makes sense than that we were split 3-2 on it. I think when Minnesota wins this game and Teddy Bridgewater does what he does, they're constructing that stadium with that stale dome on top of it. They're going to realize we have to be an outdoor football team in Minnesota.
Starting point is 00:33:53 Stop construction. You're built enough. Let that air, let that open air and that snow come flowing in, come to summer. Forget about the Super Bowl coming. We'll cancel that. We don't need a Super Bowl. How about get to a Super Bowl? Preach on, brother. All right And that was anti-dome talk
Starting point is 00:34:10 With Chris and Mark We've got to get that sponsored Death to domes Moving forward The Miami Dolphins Coming off a bye week In that win in London In which Greg's boy
Starting point is 00:34:20 Ryan Tannahill got back on track Now they welcome the Green Bay Packers At 3 and 2 And Packers might be the best Three and two team in the NFL They're looking great now We pick the Packers across the board Is this going to be a close game?
Starting point is 00:34:36 I think it's a more dangerous game than most people think, just because the Dolphins front is better than the last couple defenses Green Bay's faced and could disrupt their timing. I think one thing, you know, it looks like Noshan Moreno, looks like he will play, correct? I think that's what we're hearing. He's practiced and stuff. I like what we saw in week one when Bill Laser had his full complement of running back.
Starting point is 00:35:00 I think Lamar Miller is not an every-down guy, and even when No-Shan was not in the lineup, they didn't use millers and every down guy and i want to see what they can do uh with the full compliment of runners in the backfield yes all right i got by the way i have some more research notes i think you're going to like this one uh joe feldman here we go no ryan tannihill averaged 8.9 seven yards per attempt against the raiders that was the fourth highest total of his career before that he had been averaging 5.03 which is the gabbert zone so perhaps the dolphins are learning they need to open up this offense push the ball and
Starting point is 00:35:36 ball downfield, and they'll score some points. I remember on this very podcast, the night of that game, one of us who got charged with covering that game pointed out it was one of the best starts of Tan Hill's career, so we probably didn't need research notes to tell us that. Listen, I just gave you numbers. Oh, okay. Man. There's no arguing against the book.
Starting point is 00:35:57 The book and the numbers tell you that he was pushing the ball downfield, which they hadn't been doing at all. Yeah. I would say, as clicked in as Aaron Rogers is right now, I think at Seattle is the only way I would pick against the Packers this week. Wow. That surprises me that you're just, I guess, I mean, I know they've had two really impressive games against Chicago and Minnesota,
Starting point is 00:36:21 but on a short week. How many great teams in the NFL are there right now? I don't know if the Packers are one of them, though. Are they, I mean, are they a top five team already just because they can destroy Christian Fonda on a short week? They're thirding, your beloved football outsider's DVOA. Mark, I'm surprised that Bill Laser versus Dom Capers, and yet you went with the Packers. Well, I mean, I think what Chris just said is 100% accurate.
Starting point is 00:36:47 I mean, when Aaron Rogers is on fire, I'm not going to, I'll wait for him to completely die out on the field before I. Easy there, buddy. I'm not going to pick against the Packers in the situation until I see him crumble. But what did the Dolphins, as a full team, showed us in a couple weeks? Not a whole lot. By the way, is there a coach? You know how they always talk up, like, oh, this coach, you know,
Starting point is 00:37:09 he knows his old team well, you know, so he's going to know how to attack the Packers. Like, is there a coach in the NFL that you would be less scared of knowing your team than Joe Filbin? Joe Philbin's like, I don't know. Brian Schottenheimer? Yeah. I always, I always don't ever think of Joe Filbin. Time to work on the Packers this week, boys. I always think about Joe Fielden on hard knocks
Starting point is 00:37:30 walking around making sure everyone's shoelaces were tied properly and picking up gum on the field and immediately you just knew this guy was not the next bell. I liked at the Combine. He's one of the last adults that I've seen in many years that just wandered down a hallway just in a just big white turtleneck, nothing else. That's it? What?
Starting point is 00:37:49 He was nude from the waist dog? No, I'm just saying from the top up. It's like he looks like an IBM man on vacation or something. Oh, okay. Well, that's not a great. In 1978. There's also those stories that at training camp, he does the bed check for all the players every night.
Starting point is 00:38:04 Remember that one? They had to get used to that. Be like, oh, hey coach Philbin. You know, usually they have some 18-year-old intern do that, but okay. Moving on, the Denver Broncos are starting to hit their stride offensively. They went nuts this past week. Now they get to travel to the Meta-Lands to face my jets who are on a four-game losing streak, and they appear to be crumbling from within
Starting point is 00:38:30 with major quarterback problems and the typical off-the-field shenanigans that mark almost every jet meltdown season. We all pick the Broncos, and I can't really, even me, the Jet fan, it's hard for me to make a case that the Jets are going to deliver a good effort here. I don't, this is almost the worst team they could have faced in this spot with their issues with their secondary and their inability to score points right now. not going to be a very close game, I don't think. I was concerned when they had a couple players on defense publicly say we're not practicing like a championship team, which is a little unusual for, I think Rex Ryan has always had the
Starting point is 00:39:10 buying of like 98, 99% of his roster. They love the guy. It's like just stuff starting to creep out that concerns me a little bit about the team. That was a little disconcerting, but what really annoyed me was the Michael Vick thing, where Michael Vick came out and said that he wasn't prepared to go into the game, which boggles my mind on a number of levels. First of all, we knew Gino Smith was on the ropes going into that game on Sunday against the Chargers. So he couldn't have thought that he was easily just going to sit on the bench. Number two, to even admit that, and just to think, you think that maybe he's a little savvy having played in Philly and been in the league this long and now been in New York, when you say something like that, it leaves you wide open
Starting point is 00:39:47 to just be doubted and face the same questions over and over again. And everybody just thinks year a joke. And he didn't even look like he wanted to be on the field against the Chargers anyway. So I could not be more out on the Michael Vic era in New York right now. This week officially ends the Michael Vic era as a starter in the NFL. Yeah. I mean, think back to August when Jenny Vrentis for the MMKB had that report that some Jets coaches didn't love the fact that Vic didn't really fight for the starting job. Now I can see that. Right. You can totally see it. And there was even a mention this week, I believe, that he didn't mind. that Matt Sims was getting a little extra,
Starting point is 00:40:25 a few extra snaps in practice, for real. And it's like, you know, there is a point that it makes sense. Don't you immediately go back to the Bill Belichick scene where Wes Welker says, ah, let the other guy do punt returns. And Belichick says, way to compete, Wes. Right, that's true. But it's like starting a quarterback in the NFL's hard,
Starting point is 00:40:42 especially for the Jets. So it's not the worst thing in the world to make a paycheck and be a backup. It is a death knell for this team because, you know, the whole point of bringing Vic in, if you really did believe in Gino Smith was to have someone to show a young quarterback how to go through the week, how to prepare,
Starting point is 00:40:58 how to live that life. That never felt right anyway. Maybe that was the wrong veteran to bring in, but even if that was your plan, I mean, he couldn't be handling those responsibilities any worse. And it brings into focus when he wasn't playing ball during the offseason with things when he's talking about how it wasn't a true battle and all that stuff.
Starting point is 00:41:15 He's kind of been checked out this whole season. I don't think he really cares what he says or how he's construed. He just got his $5 million. or whatever it is, whatever. Anyway, we all picked the Broncos. This is the spot that the Rex Ryan Jets over the years would play well. Yeah, it's a very good call. I could see the crowd being into it initially, but I don't know.
Starting point is 00:41:36 I just feel like they're not going to be it. They're just overmatched in some way. Well, one thing, Demarius Thomas, the one we saw last week versus the Jets secondary we saw last week, that concerns me too. It's not just on offense. And Julius Thomas has more touchdowns through five weeks than any tight end in history, I believe. Wow.
Starting point is 00:41:54 TD, something to add? Yeah, I was just going back to Michael Vick, as you guys said, just to back up your point. Yes, I had my post on this whole thing the whole season. How's it going? First time on the show. How's it going? First time long time. I know.
Starting point is 00:42:06 But, yeah, Michael Vick, clearly from the start, he's a guy who came into New York, knowing the situation, it was like, you know what? I'm just going to get my money. I'm just going to play the good teammate and want to support genome get my money. He clearly was not prepared. And he's been honest this whole time. It's pretty sad to see. You were a Vic guy, right?
Starting point is 00:42:23 Well, it's fun to watch, that's for sure. And the guy was athletic ability to be nice to see him go out there and play. But if you're not getting ready to West's point, no coach is going to want a quarterback who admits that, hey, going into a game, I was not ready to play. That's a big part of my point. The other part of my point is I think it's pretty obvious. He doesn't have the same athletic ability he used to.
Starting point is 00:42:42 Yeah. Definitely. I mean, he was an elite athlete back then. He has some of it now. All right, moving forward. The New England Patriots are heading to. Buffalo at Orchard Park to play the Bills is a battle of two three and two teams uh something this a game to be excited about it and again this we've been we're all very close in the standings
Starting point is 00:43:02 I think four of us are within two games or three games Wes is right behind that so this is a week where we're all over the place with different picks were split here again uh Greg and myself both took the pats yeah buddy yeah joining a winning team finally the the rest of the fellas took the bills. So I'll throw it to the mailman, Mr. Mailman. Why did you decide that the bills were going to get it done? You're picking Kyle Orton to outsmart Bill Bill checking a big spot. You heard how excited Greg was to be picking this game, but that belies his true feelings.
Starting point is 00:43:37 If he wasn't mandated by his own rooting interest, yeah, his own dogma here, he would be picking the bills. I firmly believe that because he knows the bills in Buffalo. or a bad matchup and that their defense has been on fire. That's a good point. And you got, you know, New England had success running the ball against Cincinnati last week, and that was at home. Now they're on the road against a very good run defense.
Starting point is 00:44:03 Well, Wes is right that I have a huge amount of respect and love. I would probably take the bills at home versus just about anyone right now because I think that defensive line is the best in the league. And it's amazing how one or two of those guys can take over any games. Some weeks it's Kyle Williams and Mario Williams. Last week it was Marcel Darius and Jerry Hughes having an unbelievable game. One of the best games I've seen. And between those four guys against the Patriots offensive line,
Starting point is 00:44:30 I know Patriots fans are excited that they seem to solve things last week, but this will be as big a test as possible for that line. Do you think that there's a little bit of, you know, last week New England goes out and takes care of the Bengals, which historically under Andy Dalton don't get the job done on prime time and they don't get the job done on the road. It's not a shock. And so now it's, oh, we don't have to worry about New England.
Starting point is 00:44:50 They're back to where they've always been. There's too many signs that suggest that's just not true. To your point, I found it interesting the level or maybe the deepness in terms of a sigh of relief there was, both from the entire New England fan base and the media that was kind of keying in on whether this was the end from Tom Brady. Not by me. Well, Greg Rosenthal, of course. And even Brady himself, who on his Facebook account, had this line, which I thought, It was really interesting considering it was a game in October.
Starting point is 00:45:20 He said, thanks to all the fans for the support tonight. A night I'll never forget. Let's keep it going for the rest of the season. A night I'll never forget. Like, that game meant a lot to them. So now we get to see whether this is building up. It's also an insane picture. I also don't believe that he has any idea what's going up on this Facebook account.
Starting point is 00:45:38 I don't know. I think he's a little bit on this. They're like sending all these links, these cute sort of links. Yeah, I'm sure Tom Brady's up doing, you know, like Photoshop at 1230 at night. Tom Brady knows that someone wrote a night. I honestly don't. I think the 18-year-old intern that was supposed to be checking beds for Joe Philbin is now
Starting point is 00:45:55 operating Tom Brady's Facebook. You guys got a lot of interesting jobs. Very cynical people. But my point being is that that was obviously a big turning point in the season. Now will it carry over. That's something that will be very interesting to see. Look, they could lose this week 20 to 17 and I still think they might be quote unquote back and end up having a good team. I just think it's a tough
Starting point is 00:46:13 match. They could be, they could lose and be just fine going forward. From the Bill's side, because, you know, we're focusing all on New England. But this reminds me a lot of that Cleveland-Pitsburgh matchup where you've got this team in your own division that's destroyed you week after week, year after year, and you've never gotten past them. If you're the real thing for the bills, I understand you got to win a quarterback. You've got to win this game.
Starting point is 00:46:34 The erstwhile team of ATL, the Carolina Panthers, have a big game this week. They head to Cincinnati to face the Bengals. Cincinnati coming off, really, that dreadful loss on a Sunday night to the Patriots. as we were just talking about, and Tom Brady earnestly on his social media page spoke out to the people and explained how he felt at that moment. They're three and one now. The Panthers, three and two, kind of a hard team to figure out the entire around the NFL team picked the Bengals.
Starting point is 00:47:03 Why? Can I just say that I like that erstwhile has become the word of Dan Hansis? Yeah, I love it. That's a great word. Rolling with it. Yeah. Why did we pick the Bengals? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:47:15 They never lose at home. Unless it's the playoffs. Panthers have been an erratic team. Even in their wins, you haven't left the gear, at least the win against Chicago. I certainly didn't leave it thinking, okay, there's a team that's really got its stuff together. I mean, they found a way to win that game, but on the road, I don't think I would take them against the Bengals, even if they were in Carolina. I don't feel too good about the Bengals.
Starting point is 00:47:38 I feel like they... No AJ Green, by the way, most likely. No, AJ Green, that's a big deal. And, you know, I feel like they can go into Funks in the Stalton era that could last a few weeks. And coming off a bad loft Sunday, it makes sense that this would be the timing of the season where they could lose three or four, something like that, and then get hot again. So this is a pick that I'm already starting to have some regret about. But yeah, to Wes's point, like you're riding that they're going to take care of business at home
Starting point is 00:48:04 and they've been among the best in the league in their own building. I think Hugh Jackson will do a better job with a non-J green offense than Jay Gruden would have in the old days. Gruden heat. I mean, I think Jackson will do. He acts is a much better play caller than Gruden. I think we all feel the way, don't we? Bucky Brooks just slipped a lollipop into your pocket, patting you on the head. I talked about the mismatch in Buffalo, New England.
Starting point is 00:48:32 I mean, Cincinnati's front line against this Carolina offensive line is a crazy mismatch. I think there's so many problems for this Panthers team on both sides of the ball. Cam Newton is playing really well and kind of holding the whole team up, but overall, I don't know if it's that good a team right now. The Oakland Raiders buried the ball. They did the buried the ball move with Tony Spirano early this week. It was a kind of a bit of a cringe-worthy video. And, Wes, I don't know if you know what the bury-the-ball means symbolically.
Starting point is 00:49:03 Because it's very heavy and deep. Do you know? Hasn't it lost its meaning when you're the third or fourth person to do it? Yeah. So basically he said the first four games of the season, gone. You could bury it here. And they hand it out a shovel. and then they better it up because now they're starting fresh
Starting point is 00:49:19 but unfortunately they start fresh against one of the best teams in the NFL the San Diego Chargers who are playing great who just embarrassed the Jets who Greg I think you wrote in your QB index that the Chargers now win games they're supposed to win they don't have off games and Rivers is very consistent blowout correct let me put it to you guys like this what if we had a bad month of covering the NFL
Starting point is 00:49:47 just were coming in we weren't getting any more page views our articles were trite and typos everywhere and Greg said all right boys calls us together and buries all of our laptops symbolically what would be your reaction to Greg doing that can I get a Macbook that was predictable what I should have seen that coming yeah no you'd laugh at him right I can imagine Charles Woodson watching this thinking like what did I sign up for it is like it is clownworthy it really it's going to be disturbing when rex ryan does this next week with the jets well rex i thought you know a lot of people thought rex was the start of this but rex actually in 2010 took a page out of belichick's playbook who did it back in 2001 so now
Starting point is 00:50:34 tony sprano it's the third time through it's like the back in the old uh audio tapes days where you just keep taping taping over with new songs and albums and by the time you get to the third iteration you could barely hear if there's no pop there's no pop in this ploy, this motivational ploy. It'd be like if they remade the Italian job for the third time.
Starting point is 00:50:52 Nobody's watching that. All right. Mark, you did take the charges, just so you know. I feel a... Oh, yeah. That would be awful if we picked them as a team of A.T.L.
Starting point is 00:51:04 This is a big spot. I mean, this is their first game as the official team of A.T. Don't think that we didn't plan this out. We wanted to give them a cookie right off the bat to, like, continue to build their confidence.
Starting point is 00:51:16 If we wanted to do that, we could have done it before they play the jet. Oh, you know. You, sir, are a monster. Moving forward, the Chicago Bears are heading to Atlanta. The Georgia Dome, the electric Georgia Dome. When you think about football and the fall and the leaves turning colors, you think about inside that dome on that turf. The Falcons are two and three, but obviously a much better team at home.
Starting point is 00:51:40 And that's why we all got behind them, I would think. We all picked the Falcons to win this game. Mark, you picked the Falcons. them because you like them in their own building, I would assume. Well, I think, yeah, they're one of these four or five teams that, when they're at home, all the problems, like, I picked them last week against the Giants. That was a disaster. For me.
Starting point is 00:51:59 They were ahead in the fourth quarter. But I'm only concerned, I don't, you don't win the game and picks, Greg, because they're ahead in the third quarter. I'm just saying it wasn't a disastrous pick. They're one of these teams, though, that it kind of doesn't matter what happens outside of their building when they come home to that overly still, silent dome. It's pretty loud. They operate.
Starting point is 00:52:16 Overly still? It's just, it's like, you know, 60,000 people are taking a nap. Yeah. But they operate. In that quiet environment, they do what they need to do. This is a big game. I mean, two teams with good quarterbacks that have playoff. One team with a good quarterback.
Starting point is 00:52:34 Stop. Pretty good quarterbacks. That have playoff aspirations, both two and three. It would be kind of surprising that one of these two teams is going to be two and four and digging out of a big hole. A Tony Sparano-sized hole. I should probably explain my. Goldilocks Cutler reference from the early podcast.
Starting point is 00:52:49 Yeah, you should. Dave Fleming from ESPN wrote a really good article saying that Cutler is like Goldilocks. Every year it's supposed to be his breakout year, but it's never just quite right. There's always an offensive line problem or a wide receiver problem or a coaching problem or an offensive line problem. Or an injury.
Starting point is 00:53:07 Or an injury. And once again this year, this was the year. Breakout coming all pro season. Nope. Does it finally? games with interceptions. He's been okay. Does it finally end next year, though, like next August or so?
Starting point is 00:53:19 We're not going to be reading puff pieces about Jay Cutler anymore, right? Bull. I don't know. At some point. I'm not giving up on this team just because they're two and three. I think this is a pick-em game. The shine might be off Trussman's offense a little bit after this season if they continue along this path to some degree.
Starting point is 00:53:34 They have not been the same kind of electric, easy to watch offense that they were last season. Yeah, but you know why. I mean, you just wrote about that this morning. Yeah, no. I mean, they're not healthy. Marshall basically said that Brandon. and Marshall said that he shouldn't have played the last, a lesser man would not have played the last four games.
Starting point is 00:53:49 Yeah, I hear that. And Jeffrey had a hamstring injury earlier. He wasn't himself for a while. Meanwhile, Martellis Bennett's playing like a pro bowler. Isn't the real reason that they're not going to be what we think they should be right back what you're saying? It's because of the quarterback. I just don't, I'd never trusted Jay Cutler to manage a big time.
Starting point is 00:54:06 He can get red hot, but he can also just blow games. And apologies to the Chicago and Carolina fans. Thursday. They waited for the preview of their game and it never came. Yeah. I put a fall on the sword on that one. I missed it and then TD should have had my back and been like, Dan, what about Chicago, Carolina?
Starting point is 00:54:27 Didn't get the back. Throwing TD under the box. Taking people down with me. Truth is, we had it done and just didn't make it into the show. I don't know how. I like that. I like that explanation a lot more. All right, which takes it so, yeah, sorry, guys. That won't happen again.
Starting point is 00:54:45 well. The final game, the Monday night game, is the San Francisco 49ers. How many games are there this week? 8,000. Traveling to now, you want to talk mausoleums. The St. Louis Rams at the Edward Hunter James Dome. The one and three Rams.
Starting point is 00:55:00 We all pick the Niners. I don't think any of us are in love with the Niners necessarily. When did you call it? Edward Hunter James. Edward James Olmos, though. We all have the Niners in this game. It probably will be competitive, But Niders are you going to take care of business, right?
Starting point is 00:55:17 Well, we all picked them, including you, Mark. I mean, I think we all feel like the Niners have played better the last few weeks. And at the same time, it is hard for me to pick the away team in any primetime game. And the Rams in the last couple years have had some sneaky, interesting primetime games. And am I wrong? Didn't they play the Seahawks tough on primetime last season? That's absolutely true. A ton of sacks.
Starting point is 00:55:43 Four sacks, I believe, on Russell Wilson, but Chris Long or something. And I still think the Niles will pull down. I fell asleep just thinking about the Rams. Oh, stop. You know, you did that. You did that big disappointments list this week? I missed Robert Quinn. And the Rams defense.
Starting point is 00:55:58 That was what I was going to say. Greg Williams, maybe. I did. I whipped hard on that one. Robert Quinn has done nothing this year. No Chris Long. They've been a very poor operation up front. I think they're last in the league in sacks with Greg Williams.
Starting point is 00:56:12 dialing up those blitzes everyone thought they would be better their offense has played well enough to win some games they're somehow eighth in total yards which is wild in my defense I missed the Rams on that list because they don't matter okay that's it that's it we go out on that note we will be back on Sunday
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