NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Wentz Contract; Minicamp Takeaways

Episode Date: June 7, 2019

A room filled with heroes - Dan Hanzus, Gregg Rosenthal and Marc Sessler bring you all the latest news around the league including Carson Wentz's flashy new extension (8:47) and Trent Williams wanting out of Washington. (14:50) The heroes get you caught up on all there is to know about the first half of minicamp (18:14) and then close out the show with some funny apple podcast reviews (51:31).Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. The Around the NFL podcast is the ultimate dad show. Welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL podcast. My name is Dan Hansis. I'm joined in a room filled with some heroes. Mark Sessler to my left. Greg Rosenthal to my right. What is up, boys?

Yo-yo. No concept. That's our how to start the show without West. That's our new one. It's taken off. People love it all over the country, all over the world. When Wes comes back, we're going out to let him know that, hi, Diane, has been replaced by Greg and yo-yo.

I like it. It's appealing. Something crazy happened when I pulled into the complex today that I had to get off my chest immediately. And longtime listeners of the show will be aware that for years now, I've had a bit of a war going on with a gentleman. He is the head of building security here in NFL media. And there's been a lot of threats.

Always one way coming toward the old Zeuser. You know, little things on the windshield. Don't park here. You'll be towed next time. Sometimes a crony, one of his cronies would come and threaten me if I didn't move the car. Well, today, as I'm pulling in, and I got both kids at home right now. My wife is away on a fun trip with her girlfriends, which she deserves. And, honey, I hope you're having a great time.

You've never listened to the show. If you pick this show, how are you doing? I was running a little bit late because I was taking care of Jack and Harry. Come screaming in here at 1057, and there he is. It's the man. You've talked about this man a few times on the show over the years. You know, Eagle, you know, big time, long-time listeners know about this man. Right.

So, and me needing to get into the office and not, I'm not somebody searching for conflict. If I had some more time, I'd kind of wait out, because right there was the parking spot, the talent parking spot area that for many years has been a bone of contention between me and, and this time I said, I'm running late. He's standing right there. I'm going to pull right in. And then I realized we had never been face to face before. Okay.

Okay. Get out of the car. and I could feel him looking at me and he stops me and he says that's a talent only spot wow and I go

and I don't want to have to say this nobody wants to have to say this but I go I am talent and then he goes after a beat I know I recognize you

being so all right so this has been resolved I don't know you could parse the words in a couple different ways so but for years you were you were

presuming yourself to be talent in his eyes and just taking the spot. You know the first two years of your conflict, I was convinced he thought that I was you. I'm sure you did. And there also was a time when we, during one of the... That's like a very marked thing. You thought that somehow was going to screw you. Well, there was a family event on the weekend, and there was the same gentleman forbid us from taking our children into the building to look at the newsroom and essentially

like a father-child experience, come visit dad's work, very strident that we should not be allowed in the building and we all snuck in another you know chapter in in it's been a battle so i didn't know this was an ongoing battle oh i think five plus years the talent part that he was not allowing you or that that was a bone of contention i yes for years this has been going on and finally it was the big face to face it's like in heat when finally after years of silver silver screen greatness you had becino and deniro sitting at the table at the it's just like that that's what this was about and uh i'm feeling pretty good uh other NFL media things going on right now.

They had, this is award season in-house. It was the NFL commissioners awards. And we heard from some sparrows, including show host, Colleen Wolfe, that our little voiceover we did announcing the nominees for the Rising Star Award.

It was on camera. It was on camera. It was a, Roger Goodell was there. Everyone was there. It was in New Jersey, but it was simulcast here, in-house in L.A.

got a lot of chuckles and amusement and that to me I'll take that as a victory. It's the closest we'll ever get to winning an award or an award on that show. So I'll take that

mild amusement apparently based on our... I got an email from a high-ranking executive at the NFL saying it got a great response that appreciated it. Here he is. Look out.

It's NFL Network's Greg Rosenthal. Call the Shair. It says something, though, that, you know, as you're arguing with your buddy over being talent, that none of us were even in the audience or around yesterday to see any of this. My boss, Sarah, who's wonderful, she also let me know that it had went over well. And then she says, why weren't you there? Because you could watch. I guess you could sit in the studio here.

Shaddell was here. He was in L.A. Oh, really? Okay. And I said I'm more like the Jack Nicholson type. It's like I don't go to the award show unless I know I'm winning. I feel like we were there through our production. I did hear, I talked to someone downstairs who basically,

I wanted to know if Goodell A thought it was humorous, and he registered laughter and enjoyed it. And if he had any concept of who we were, and I was scolded for not knowing that Goodell would know who we are, for not assuming that. that he does seem to know her podcast is. It's kind of like when you hear about people auditioning for S&L, and the whole thing is one thing, don't lose your confidence.

Lauren never laughs. Like, Lauren Michaels will never laugh, but it doesn't mean he doesn't like you. That's what I'm thinking. Even if Rog was stone-faced, doesn't mean that it didn't register. Oh, these guys are, you know, they are straight shooters to the top.

Well, he did let. There is a second note because what our task was, each one of us, there were four options to pick for the Rising Star. and we each locked one of them up. It's sort of a mock segment. A mock segment, but I took it very seriously, and it's a good thing that I did

because the gentleman who I pitched game pass leader, Max Boygan, he won. I locked them up and he won. That's pretty good. How do you win the offseason top the championship I won for the regular season? You lock up Max Boygan and he nailed it. I feel like our transition into just being company men

is now complete. If you're part of the commissioners' awards, we can't really say we're like the fighting. Maybe if we're alwaysing a trophy in there. I mean, we have a globally successful podcast. And what is the greatest new media in new media, which is the podcast industry for years, maybe we take home some hardware one of these years.

It feels timely and due. Both sides of the old Atlantic. We're thriving. I mean, you got your parking spot. Today's show, we're going to minicamp, the first week of mandatory minicamps has wrapped. How many teams had their mini camps this week? Eight.

Eight teams. And then the rest are next week. Is that correct? So we're going to share some kind of takeaways. We're kind of just not quite rapid fire, but we're going to go around the horn a bunch of time, just throwing out different things that we read or saw that jumped out to us. You don't want to put too much, Greg, into a few practices.

But it's the first real football of consequence. as we head towards minicamp or training camp. You can have some takeaways. Sure. Just don't get too spicy with the tank. Some people get way too spicy. Yeah, this is something that's changed over the year. They also don't have tackling anymore at this part of the year.

So even the mini camps that are mandatory, it's... They're mini. It's kind of phony. And we'll close the show with some iTunes reviews, as we promised on Wednesday. But before that, let us do some news. Darren Sprouls in the backfield, third down at 12. Wentz. One spins away under pressure, still on his feet.

Now he fires downfield and it's caught by Nelson Agilore for an Eagles touchdown. So I pulled that clip for the news drop because I was watching a 2017 highlight package of Carson Wenz. It was 13 minutes long and why? Because Carson Wins was the best quarterback on the planet before he blew out his knee in 2017. Last year, Eagle still won the Super Bowl, of course, with Nick Foles and then last year were more injury issues for Wenz. But in a sign of Supreme Faith, Philadelphia on Thursday agreed to a four-year extension with Carson Wentz through 2024.

The deal is worth $128 million and up to $144 million with 66. This is the most important number, million fully guaranteed, and $107.9 million in guarantees. Greg will parse that for me. The rap sheet had those numbers. Wentz's average annual value on the new four-year deal, $32 million doesn't beat Russell Wilson at $35, but it surpasses everyone in the total guarantee number. So he's paid like a super duper star,

which Greg, he probably deserves. He absolutely deserves. And this entire kind of quarterback contract, like reaction industrial complex, has become the most tiring part of the NFL news media. Like, it's the least interesting and most discussed part of the sport at this point. It's like these quarterback kind of, they all get them. You get one.

If you're over a certain level, you get it. You don't have to think too hard about it. The takes that really bother me is like, you know, it's going to be hard to really build around Carson Wentz now because he's taking up so much of the color cap. But look at the cap space around the league. Half the teams have more than $20 million in cap space. 10, 15 teams rolled 30, 40, $50 million of cap space into the opposite. Teams aren't even using cap space all the time.

The harder part is finding enough good players to actually spend all that money on. I mean, that's what teams like the Jets and the Browns have struggled with in recent years, is finding enough good players. Now, there are some teams like the Eagles and the Vikings who have all these candidates for long-term extensions, but look at their rosters. They have more long-term contracts for other positions than anyone else, and they got Kirk Cousins and Carson Wentz on their roster. So you can figure it out. It's just like there's not that much to say. Two things can be right.

It could be if you have a rookie quarterback or a late draft round pick, you will have more spending and you could spend quarterback money on a quarterback or a defensive tackle or an end. And that's a huge advantage. but just because you signed a superstar quarterback to a massive deal, it's not an issue where you, oh, now we're hamstrung. There's plenty of money and the cap keeps going up. Right, like how many people in the next few years are going to be like, I don't know if the Packers can build a legitimate team with the Darius Smith and Preston Smith on the Packers roster,

but those two guys who are fine add up to a quarterback. You look at the list of annual salaries and they're topped by Russell Wilson, as you mentioned. It almost just looks like slotting for first round picks as you go down the list. where they're each making a little bit, little bit less than the one before. You know what the price is. Carson Wentz was the next guy up. The concept that it's any sort of thing that you would not spend this money,

two years now it's going to look like an awesome, awesome contract if he remains healthy. And I don't really view his durability as a reason to not get that contract. If anyone's hemming and hawing about that also. If there's really any analysis to be done, it's like once the guy's over a certain level, they're going to get that contract, so when do you give it to him? and the Eagles decided to do it as early as humanly possible, which is smart because the price after Dak Prescott signs will probably only go up.

And Wentz is at a point right now where he's coming off an injury, maybe he accepts a little less guarantees. Like all these contracts eventually end up being middle of the pack and looking better. So you might, if you're committed to a guy, and of course they're committed to him, you just sign him as quick as possible. It's almost like when you take your children out for dinner or something

and then the bill comes. and for my children who are like seven and eight, if the bill's like $45, it is mind-blowing money and they can't comprehend, or can we afford that as a family? They have no concept of money at all. Fans, if I'm just a fan,

I don't know why I'd ever worry about contracts at all. There's so much cap space. People are too worried about it. But it just seems to me like a non-issue in 2019. Another tired take, too, is this always happened. The second it happens, Jared, like a bunch of jiffs, They break out the Birdman Giff where he's, you know, he's like, you know, rubbing his hands together all excited about getting more money or whatever. It's like, oh, it's like, oh, Dak Prescott, Jared Gough, here's them watching the Carson Wentz contract.

Oh, they're all excited. No, it's like, no. There's like, all of these contracts. There's no drama. They all go up. Like, those guys would get their contracts no matter what. And imagine if you're a fan of a team that always has a target on its back and all your signings like a C.J. Mosley or Levion Bell, you get killed for it because they got too much money.

That is a little bit annoying. I agree. It's all, it's a funny money era. Now, two more things. You mentioned Goff, and he wants to get that bag. He's the first overall pick in the year Wentz went number two. You wonder what contract he's going to get. And I think for a guy that's done a lot in the league in the last couple of years,

he still, I think, has to perform at a very high level to get Wince money, despite being a pick ahead. But where we stand today, I'd be shocked if he doesn't. The Rams have indicated he's getting it and they're not. They're committed to. Give it to them now. I think they will. Because it sends a message if you don't.

I think they will by the start of this season. I think it's kind of their deadline. And then my last thought on Wents is I did get some tweets. I don't know about you guys when we did Dalton Scale and maybe another other exercise we did in the last month or so. How come you guys aren't talking about Wins, whether he deserves to be somewhere, doesn't deserve to be somewhere?

We're all in agreement that Wence is a stud. He was, he to me, and yeah, we did get tweets because we didn't mention every quarterback above Andy Dalton and his name did not come up during that episode without any question. I think I had him at like 10 or 11. Because we feel the same way Doug Peterson and Howie Rosemond do,

that this guy is an ascendant star despite the injury issues. In other news, Trent Williams, the standout tackle for the Redskins. He has not been around Redskins, OTAs. He also skipped mandatory minicamp. Initially, the feeling was it was due to his contract and he wants that bag.

He wants a bigger bag. Breaking bag in. I mean, we're a little late. We're a little unnecessary. Our money drop. It's a dad podcast. Sometimes you're just a little late on the curve on these, but I like it. This is truly the dad podcast right now because we don't have a fourth in here.

It's just all dads. My three dads. So three men and a little lady right behind the glass. Little? Yeah. She doesn't know what to move. That's the nicest thing you've said to me in months. And a tiny lady.

Thank you. A petite lady. Anyway, so Trent was, everyone thought, oh, it's because he just wants the bag. No, it's also because he's pissed. Rap sheet reported Wednesday that along with the new contract desires, there is, quote, frustration from Williams over the handling of his health scare earlier this spring. And you may remember, he had a growth removed from his scalp that was originally thought to be cancerous. Luckily, fortunately, it turned out that it was not the case.

We don't have all the details, but apparently Williams, who has dealt with a lot of health issues, nothing that serious in his last several years with Redskins. He is not happy how that situation was handled. And for that reason, on principle, he's saying he wants out of town. Yeah, I just think this is worth bringing up just to keep an eye on because Trent Williams is one of the best tackles in football when he's healthy, top two or three, I would say. And the fact that he's kind of getting almost, it's almost personal. And it's not the first time you've heard some things. The Redskins, they've had either bad luck or just a lot of drama with their medical situations for a number of players over the years.

Bruce Allen commented on it. He's, of course, running the Redskins. He says, I know what the truth is. And it's just like once they have like even a modicum of a little bit of positivity of like, okay, Dwayne Askins is out there with the first team. And it's like, here's like more negativity for the Redskins. It seems to be something with the Redskins. This is not selling it's going away anytime soon.

Right. You have to wonder if, you know, he's under contract through next season, making about 14 plus million a year. I have to wonder if this becomes a trade situation at some point because it's extremely thorny and, like you said, it's personal. And the Redskins, you have a rookie quarterback and potentially Eric Flowers starting at left tackle. If Williams...

That's a mess. That's a problem. All right. That's what's happening in the news. That would be a huge loss, especially the rookie quarterback. You want the blind side. you want him protecting you that's the that's the role

that's essentially what the role give him some money sometimes it's not just about the bag sometimes it's about it's personal you would think I bet the bag would solve it though the bag solves a lot because you have them under contract anyway so it's just like you know you know what would solve me silently grumbling

about us not getting any hardware from these all these internal awards what's that the bag you make a strong case you're the bag they're going to secure me with a pink slip if I don't shut up. That's what's happening in the news. They don't do pink slips anymore.

I don't think that's how it works from a nature angle. All right. Well, let's get to it. Some takeaways from mandatory minicamp eight teams held their practices. Everyone had to be there, hence mandatory. So you finally got a look at what these new updated rosters look like on offense and defense. So let's just kind of go around the league and throw out some things that jumped out to us.

Greg, you got us going. I'm just going to start with the Redskins since we were just there. I found it interesting that Haskins, their number one pick, is already splitting the first team reps with Keenum. Sometimes it's like you make the rookie work his way into that, this or that.

Onlookers say Keenum looks a little more comfortable in the offense at this point, which isn't surprising. He's an NFL veteran. But Haskins, of course, looks like the guy who has a little more upside, the bigger arm, had some more wow plays. But the fact, and Jay Gruden said they're not even barely competing at this point. They're not even thinking about that. I believe that in non-prided practices.

But the fact that they're splitting reps right off the bat, that just would indicate to me that the tie is going to go to the rookie. Usually does. That he's got a great chance to be the week one started. You know, we haven't done our coach hot seat rankings at this point. If you're Jay Gruden, you want the best case. scenario is Haskins taking off early in his career and suddenly you're attached to someone who's ascending. The worst case situation is him not doing that and hoping that you have a job a year from now after riding through the year with Case Keenham as your quarterback. Case

Keenum is just simply not going to be enough for him to stick around Jay Gruden. On the subject of Redson's quarterbacks. Finally some good news on Alex Smith who's still technically with the team, but he suffered that devastating leg injury, broken leg. He's been wearing that, the worst thing you could have, because not only is it limit your mobility

in a cruel way, but it just looks scary as hell, the external fixator, when they have all the wires going into your leg to keep the leg stabilized. Well, he still has that on, and I'll have it on for another month or two, according to Mike Garifolo,

but there seems to be progress and they're feeling good about, there's not, you know, so much indecisive. about what comes next in his recovery. It's just the long road ahead. You talked about quarterbacks, Greg, so I'll throw another quarterback camp battle looming in Miami.

From the Palm Beach Post, let's jump into the fish tank. A report from Hal Habib who says that Ryan Fitzpatrick is certainly looks ahead of Josh Rosen right now, but that should not be a surprise or anything to read too much into. Even Rosen himself said it's not really a competition right now.

Although, Josh, I want to see that fire at some point. Show me the fire at some point. I'm not going to take one quote and make a big thing out of it, but go get that job. Anyway, Fitzpatrick. I think he's trying. I mean, go get it. Say something. Do something.

Anyway. Fitzmagic is ahead of Rosen right now. But what, and Rosen is catching up. He got traded there and. Fitzpatrick had a head start earlier in the process of the team year. But anyway, I think Khabib made a good point the way you look at the schedule. It kind of looks obvious. Whereas with the Redskins, if the rookie's neck and neck with the veteran, the rookie's

probably going to start. But with Rosen and Fitzpatrick's track record, it probably makes a lot of sense, potentially, to give Fitzpatrick the starting job. There's some tough games early on. There's a bye week in early October, and then Rosen gets in early enough where you get a really good look at him and then decide whether you want to stick with Rosen or go get some hot shot in the draft. But right now, Fitzpatrick is looking good. He's been connecting well at Devante Parker, who, by the way, is still there and has been having a really good camp, something to keep an eye on. But right now, Fitzpatrick ahead of Rosen early on.

And the way they've had it is it's essentially the Fitzpatrick's versus the Rosens. they have the same units working with each quarterback. So Fitzpatrick has his guys and Rosen has his guys. And I guess Minka Fitzpatrick has been on defense opposing the Rosens and causing a number of problems for Josh Rosen. But they basically said Fitzpatrick has just been a little bit, the offense has been a little bit more big play, heavy, and explosive if we want to put anything into that at this point.

I know what Wes would say. Not a surprise. And also Ryan Fitzpatrick's had a pretty long, good career for a reason like he knows how to play perfect backup he knows how to play quarterback at the NFL level which Rosen still has to prove yeah the Parker stuff is just year after year he is the star of the offseason but uh well it helps to have the coach that tried to trade you like 400 times out of the building he did quietly re-signed him to a brand new contract this off season I don't think we even hit that you know like he could have been a free agent they they gave him this kind of low cost

steel to bring him back for two years instead of giving him the option. And it all paid off because the Dolphins social media team got to put up a no-look pass by Ryan Fitzpatrick to Parker diving on the sidelines. It doesn't get any better than that in June minicamp. It's now June 7th. Does Fitsy still have that cute little pot belly? Did he work that out? Has anybody seen any footage?

I think he's one of those athletes that's able to readjust the look of his body so quickly that he's probably looking, you know, very spelt. I thought it was awesome and relatable when he was jiggling all over the place back in March. All right. Your turn, Mark. Well, I will go to Cleveland because there is a lingering concern. Before all these, you know, this hype fest that's happening, it's a nice time to be a Browns fan. But I, the Browns, any Browns fan that's been around the block.

You seem uncomfortable with her being nice. You know, it is because you are wondering how it all will go, number one. And I don't want to get, I don't, I see some Browns fans out there already sort of saying, like, Just book us for the Super Bowl. How about go winning? Let's see what happens by the end of October. Nine games to be a good start. I want to see progress, but I don't want to get in all that.

The concern for me has been and continues to be the offensive line because they just parted ways with Desmond Harrison, who was a bit of a disaster at tackle to start the season last year because he was not showing up meetings on time. I don't know how this whole story. Cardinals picked him up, but they now have Greg Robinson and Chris Hubbard to tackle. I think I would view both of those situations as highly suspect, no matter how they played at the end of last year. The other concern is that you traded away Kevin Zeitler, and at right guard,

they wanted to have Austin Corbeck go in there. And in minicamp this week, he has spent a lot of time essentially just rotating at guard and backup center. There's a guy Eric Cush battling for the right guard position. And Corbett is someone that is not essentially in year two, which they needed him to step up and take a starting role. Supporting actor, Eric Cush, I believe. Eric Cush, absolutely. But Corbett has not really taken the leadership role and stepped in and played the way they want. That, to me, gives you three spots on an offensive line that are potentially suspect with,

and I get all the fancy pieces around it, but from a skill position angle, it sounds like things are looking good. Because Dave in the Joku, they said, has been looking like a completely different advanced player at tight end. You know, Odell's been fine, all this other stuff. But if your offensive line has issues, teams go south quickly on offense. Especially, and teams can, you don't need to have, you know, big name talent to have a functional offensive line. But it sometimes does take time to gel. So that would be my biggest, if I had to make a prediction about the Browns is that they're going to be a much better team. But I would not be shocked if they go get out of the gate a little bit slower than people expect and then kind of hit their stride.

And the offensive line struggles would certainly, if that happens, be amazing. major reason why. All right, Greg, go ahead. All right. Let's talk about the lions, just because I feel like we never do on this show. It was hard to find much there that a lot of takeaways from their mini camp, but they were one of the teams. The thing that caught my eye was that they were doing some three tight end sets and that they

were really talking about Theo Riddick had a nice camp or whatever, it looked fairly good, which you would expect, but his spot on the team is a little uncertain. They're playing with three tight ends. That's at a time sometimes. They've got all these running backs. CJ Anderson, Theo Riddick's number three. Carry on Johnson's number one. You've got a rookie, too, who's going to be in the mix.

And they are kind of looking, to me, on offense, a little bit like maybe the Patriots were a year ago where they're going to want to run the ball a ton. They're going to want to throw out of those two, three, tight end sets to kind of keep teams off balance. And that's your new Detroit Lions. Yeah, and Dave Burkett of the Detroit Free Press. noted that rookie tight end, T.J. Hawkinson, in the end zone, essentially got a pass from

Stafford where he kind of casually just tried to one hand a catch or something. I don't know casually is the right word, but Matt Patricia just blew up on him. So it's like they need him to be a big. I think the other thing in Detroit, Darius Slay, Damon Harrison, both away from the team and contract issues. So that's two key players. I like teams that, now this is mandatory work and they want new contracts, and so that's an issue. But players are treating the voluntary part of organized team activities more voluntary than ever. And it's less of a big deal, I think, than it's ever been. Yeah.

Let's move on. If this podcast were voluntary, would you show up then? I would. It's kind of become a very important part of my job. And if I didn't show up for this, offer mentioned pink slip, it would probably come for me. So yes, I'm here every show just about with good reason. Good answer. voluntary workouts you brought up that and levy on bell as an example did not show up to any of the OTAs ahead of this week's mini camp is in attendance this week or was an attendance it's over now but will not does not plan to attend the follow-up OTAs voluntary before heading into the summer break but that's not really what I want to talk about he did look good by the way he looks fast but he's the writer for

for the athletic that covers the Jets, who does a very nice job. Greg's very good with these names, so he'll remind me. His first name is Connor. Is it Connor Hughes? Connor Hughes does an excellent job for the athletic, said that Bell operates on just a different speed

that he's seen with other running backs on the Jets. And the Jets have not had bad running backs in recent years. They've had some decent guys. But anyway, the big problem with Lévian Bell is the drama around him. And with creating art, it's good to have that tumult around you sometimes, some of the best work of, say, a Dylan or a Springsteen or whoever comes when there's stuff going on.

Jacob, Dylan. Jacob Dylan, of course. Talking about the wallflowers. Yes. Levyon Bell had more than $500,000 worth of jewelry, jewelry stolen from his home. And this is from the Associated Press. Mark, and that happens, unfortunately. Athletes and actors and celebrities are targeted for home pages.

It's just the sad fact of life in today's society, much like terrorism and other things that you wish weren't around, but it's just the way it is. But there is an interesting little twist to this story while Lavian Bell is preparing with the Jets. What was happening? How did the money or the jewelry exit? Well, I mean, the story that came out, I believe, yesterday,

was that he was robbed by not his girlfriend, but by his girlfriends, multiple girlfriends while he's away. And what I like is that you'd think there might, I don't know what the actual category of girlfriend in this, if we're talking about it's a serious relationship with two women at the same time. I don't know what's going on, but that you think there might be a little jealousy between them and maybe they wouldn't want to be around each other.

Instead, while he's gone doing his job. He was at the gym. This was on May 25th. Love this. They are working as like a duo crime team. together to rob him of this jewelry. No, we haven't heard a lot. How do you know that?

Well, they are, that's what the story suggests. Yeah, I'm just saying maybe one. It's according to the associated. Who knows, maybe one took out the other and you don't even know where that other girl is. You know, the article is short and there's more to come on it. But it suggests that they operated in unison to steal half more than half a million dollars in jewelry. It's been a while in terms of the culture.

You almost have to go back to that Charlie Sheen era where he went crazy. and had the tiger blood stuff going on when two girlfriends was in the public eye. So now it's back with Lev and it just does show you the dangers of it. I mean, that's a lot of juggling. And sometimes you don't know when you're not there, the two ladies

and the same thing, I don't want to be sexist, Erica. It could be the same way. You could have two boyfriends or a woman could have two boyfriends or two girlfriends. Those, when you're not there, they're talking. Have you seen John Tucker must die?

Maybe they didn't know about each other. Maybe. And then they found out and they're like, let's get them. Let's get them. That feels like a logical. That sounds like a nice reboot. Levy on Bell must die. It's funny because like.

Gritty reboot. You read this story and you kind of feel, at least I do, you know, you feel bad for Leveon Bell here. You're not thinking of him. Why? He's the victim in this situation. But this could easily be turned into like a script where it's like kind of a fun, you know, romantic comedy with, you know, friend you got it struck me as a delightful story but if you really get behind it it's not delightful

at all and circling back to how some you know tumult in your personal life could lead to great art of course i'm referring to levi on bill's incredible burgeoning rap career and since he's in new york jet i am all about laveon the rapper well you yeah you you asked why would i feel bad for him erika because if you know when i lose my black panther pendant with black and white diamonds And it's painful. I get it. You work pretty hard for that. You work pretty hard.

It's a source of pride. But I think it's kind of messed up that, you know, maybe if they knew about each other, if these girlfriends knew about each. But I feel like they're, you know, there's some. That's a big assumption you're making, though. Right. And it could have been girlfriends. When I first read it, I was like, what if you called girlfriends like his friends that are girls? I thought that too, but it feels to suggest something else, though.

Exactly. It indicated that they were both staying at his home. And that, you know, that's how we, you know. Okay, so if they knew about each other, then I don't feel as bad. But why are you keeping half a million dollars in jewelry in your, in your house? You want to hear how far $520,000 takes you? In addition to Greg's matching Black Panther pendant with the black and white diamonds, there was a Rolex, two gold chains with diamonds. It actually doesn't take you that far.

No, I thought it was like a mount, like when you, when you, like, kill a dragon and there's like a mountain of gold under it. That's what I pictured it to be. There was one other little Jets nugget, and I know, Dan, you hate this stuff. Yeah. But Matt Stipholsksky, not saying that right at all, apologies to his entire family, from NJ.com, had this little sentence that I liked,

yes, the Jets practices are intense as gays and defense coordinator Greg Williams battle for supremacy on a daily basis. Delicious. Yeah, well, I love that. Well, yeah, there was some reports of, you know, Donald's struggle or had a couple interceptions.

And Greg Williams is sort of famous for, like, bringing the house in every blitz possible during, like, OTAs in mini-camps. And so right now the defense is ahead. And people brought out, like, brought out some clips for the exact same thing was happening with the Brown a year ago at this point. It's like, calm down, Greg Williams. Now, everyone loves to beat up on Greg Williams, but everyone is so in love with the Browns now.

Greg Williams is the man that brought that team to respectability. I don't want to hear this Freddy Kitchens. Oh, Baker figured it out. Well, no, no, no. A team in complete tatters on fire after they fire the GM and the coach. And it is Greg Williams, who steadies the ship and makes that one of the best teams in the AFC in the second half. I don't want to hear anything else. I'm not going to kill you on that take.

He did a much better job than the person employed before him. And I'll never. Look at Dan getting in his. And let me just say this also. I've never had Greg Williams on my favorite team before. I am enjoying the Greg Williams experience as a fan. It's just a little spicier than having some no-named DC. You know, and guys like Greg get crazy about, oh, the worst thing will happen

and I'll throw in my little digs and mention the Donald through interceptions. I don't care. I want spiciness around my team. Success would be nice, too, but spiciness number two. Dan's getting in as many Greg Williams plot it says he can this episode while Wes is not here. Yeah, because Wes would be be bellowing and I wouldn't be able to. I just listening to this and shouting around this house and punching walls. The very boring record will show that no one has spoken up for Greg Williams's totally fine record on this podcast, more than me.

He is a fellow. I always point out that he's fine. It gets balanced out with your needless digs of the Jets at all times. So it's kind of now just. Anyway, it was up. Needless. Let's go down to. I thought you went.

No, we were going in this direction. Greg, Danmark. We're doing a lot of double-dipping on other people's stuff here. Well, that's that works. Let's go down to Tampa Bay. Okay. The Bucks, who we almost never talk about either. Little guy by the name of Scotty Miller,

the wide receiver catching a lot of buzz early on. You know, of course, Adam Humphreys out the door, James Winston said six-round pick Scotty Miller. Is he like a, I don't know anything about him. Right. And I'm close to you. Is he a slot receiver that is a grinder? He is 5'5 foot 9 and 176.

So you're not wrong. You're not wrong. He absolutely fits that category. Did he go to a smaller school? He did. Was he either a UFA or a late? He was a six-round. He was a late, yes.

So you have- Is he a white man? The profile you have built is correct. Is he a Caucasian gentleman? Yes. Okay. As far as I know. But Bruce Ariens also called him a John Brown type.

So I didn't have a lot coming out of Bucks camp. There wasn't a ton to work with. Their young defensive backs are doing well, apparently, but there was not a ton of information coming out of that camp. All right, very good. Greg, you're up. Broussarian said their secondary is fine. They solved it.

I wanted to go to Denver, where Joe Flacko has wowed onlookers. According to Von Miller, throwing an 80-yard pass across the field. you know, not, you know, from one hash mark to the other one, kind of giving Broncos fans perhaps some, some memories of his famous throw in the 2012 playoffs. Yeah, a throw that changed history, really. They lose that game otherwise. Who knows?

Maybe Manning gets another title. Who knows what happens if he doesn't hit that throw? But he's showing off his big arm. He's healthy. That's my big main takeaway. He's just he's healthy. He's moving well. There's no physical problem.

with Joe Flacko. And that's been pretty rare in an off-season for him. Almost never happens in an off-season for him lately. So I think that's positive, and there's a lot of, you know, talk about him. But one comment from Devante Booker stuck out to me. Just everyone really liking his leadership and that he's getting all the first team reps. There's no competition there. And Booker saying he's such a cool guy.

He talks to everybody in the locker room. Previous quarterbacks didn't really do that much here. They'd just be on the field, get the job done, and we see each other walking through the halls or something, and they wouldn't even acknowledge us. It's like, whoa, the Broncos quarterback. Booker's only been around a few years, so that's, you know, that's Case Keenum, that's Paxton Lynch. Well, Paxton Lynch doesn't surprise anybody. I thought Case would be a little more hands-od, but that's just one man's comment. He's in his fourth season.

Keenom's like, who just shot me in the back with a sniper's rifle? And they went through it. The Athletic had all these quotes just about how much. much everyone loves Flacco and he's fired up. And the Drew Locke experience supposedly, yeah, pretty up and down so far in practices. He got knocked down to the ground by the defendant. There's no competition there, not that you would expect it.

But, you know, Flacco's going to get his chance. He's going to get his legit chance. Let's go over to Green Bay where, as we know, new brain trust there with the head coach and Aaron Rogers, big year for him. And we've talked about it endlessly on the show. Well, what about the fact that they didn't really add a lot of firepower on offense, I guess these young guys are going to have to step up.

So at camp, Aaron Rogers, who you'll remember that Tyler Dunn expose in which, quote, Rogers showed virtually zero trust in his three rookie receivers, Jim, Moore, Marquez, Valdez, Scantling, and Iquan, St. Brown, and also said Dunn reported that a source told him that Rogers, quote, didn't like Valdez Scantling. Well, Rogers singing a different tune this week, at least. He had this to say, I think Marquez or Marquez had a fantastic spring and really stepped up as a guy who can be an every down player. And then I expect a big bounce back year from Jimmy going to Graham.

He's healthy, he's feeling good. The offense I think fits him and his body type, but I'm not going to shy away from throwing the ball to Devante. He also said he wants to get the ball more to Devante Adams, the lone star player. Adams had the second most targets in the NFL last year. Right. So, but I think the bigger takeaway from this is, yes, it is a reminder that he is going to need to develop a report with these young receivers or this Packers' offense isn't going to go. So we'll see.

When it comes to Marquez, Valdez, Scanlon, can we not just call him MVS? I think that's a, that rolls off the tongue. It's easier for you to deal with us. A pft guy, Michael David Smith, inside the industry. Everybody just calls him MDS. Right. and he's a football report. And that wouldn't even trample on MVS,

which to me is just a home run nickname if it's not already as Nicky. Although you can mishear it and be like, wait, are you talking about Michael David Smith? Well, that's on the listener. That's on their ears, not the person who said MVS. And I don't think they would be just talking about Michael David Smith most of the time.

Mark, you're up. Well, the Giants. Obviously, you know, they are committed to Eli Manning sitting in the quarterback position for the next three or four seasons despite having taken Daniel Jones early and people are asking sort of what that's not true by the way listeners they have not committed to that but go on well they've talked about him potentially starting for the next two seasons I think they have not committed to it well that I disagree they they seem to have their head on backwards on

this one I have two notes from from Giants mini camp one is that they talked about the fact that Daniel Jones and this is why I think he's going to see the field quickly I really do think so. Shermer has been talking him up, saying his head is swimming much less than most rookie quarterbacks, and that he has shown, according to Matt Lombardo of the Star Ledger, a higher propensity to push the ball deep with more accuracy while Manning continues to do his annoying little checks downs and amid what seems to be. Wait, the writer said annoying. No, I added annoying. I added annoying, but he did mention Matt Lombardo an erosion of arm strength, which is obvious to anyone that's watched the Giants of late. The second

note I would have on Pat Schumer because we were all doing our research before the show going around looking at these various beat writers and the report just a picture of Pat Schumer he is looking super bulky like big giant muscles and gigantic calves like Pat Schumer never struck me as a physical specimen he's looking tight in fact I called him thick TH ICC and was told that's not the correct use of thick they could be more kind of just like borderline big boned but he just seems like he's been cutting out. You saw the photo. Yeah, his body mass index is definitely down.

Not a younger man, not old, but not a younger man to do that. He just turned 54 in April and have definition in his arms showing through the long sleeves. That speaks to a man that's put in the work. 100%. Daniel Jones getting a lot of pop too for like running around. Everyone's excited like, ooh, a quarterback that run. And that he's looked good and that he's looked good. But ultimately he's not going to be the most important rookie, at least in we.

week one, and they've already moved two of their first round picks, Dexter Lawrence and DeAndre Baker, into their first, into their starting lineup right off the bat as rookies. That's going to be a big part of their season. All right. One more time around, Greg, you get a gun. Sure. Let's go to New England, where Jared Mayo, first year of coaching is the defensive play caller. I find that pretty interesting. That's a lot of, it's a lot of faith in Drod Mayo, and maybe that'll change when the season starts. Maybe it's like Belichick makes the game plans and Mayo calls the plays on game day. But that is, and I love

Gerard Mayo. Injuries kind of cut his career a little shorter than it could have been. But a great patriot and interesting to see. Also Joe Tuny is their left tackle right now who has played the last four years at guard because they don't have a healthy left tackle. Well, he'll grade out at

91.6. Isaiah win was their first round pick a year ago. There's a hope that he'd be ready for week one, but that seems to be up. Greg at left tackle and Dante Scarnaciel will make him a positive. of pff talent i mean uh he got nate solder paid he got trent brown paid and of course in new england uh they celebrated last night the uh the ring ceremony that getting six rings and just seeing that

there is something kind of crazy about seeing bill belichick there with eight super bowl rings because he brought his giants ones in and just like i own you know he like owns like a fifth of the super bowl rings and i've always appreciated the name of the boat too that he has to keep repainting the boat it's now named eight rings speaking of the Patriots don't just move past that while Tom Brady

what a great what a great time bling and the rings are getting bigger and bigger and hopefully there's nothing disrespectful like they did to the Falcons the last time they won a title with the rubbing in the deficit they wiped out which was just classless and Arthur Blank the Falcons owner said so

but the biggest story they have like an image of Jared Goff missing that throw they're like too late Goff it's like a hologram that comes comes out of it. It's just Jared Gough, like, shaking during the anthem. P. going down his leg. The biggest story around the Patriots, though, was the news this week that Brady's legal team

sneakily tried to copyright Tom Terrific and make it their own, which is absolutely disgraceful knowing that Tom Seaver, and I'm not a Mets fan, but that is one of the most important figures in New York sports history, a three-time Cy Young Award winner, a Hall of Famer. He was Tom Terrific. He was the star of the 69 Mets. of course. Tom Brady tried to get his fingers all over that copyright and then once

it was figured out, it was time to figure out what to say. Here's what Tom said. It's unfortunate. I was actually trying to do something because I didn't like the nickname and I wanted to make sure no one used it because some people wanted to use it so I was trying

to keep people from using it and then it got spun around to something different than what it was. Good lesson learned and try to do things a little different in the future. He's so full of it. Like, what does he just spend all day copywriting things he doesn't want to be called?

People were using that for his name on some, like, you know, cheap, cheap t-shirts. What does he care? He didn't want that. Oh, I mean, everyone's like, ooh, Tom Seaver, one of the greatest pictures ever. Does he feel bad for stealing that nickname from the animated series that was presented

as part of Captain Kangaroo? Oh, snap. 57 to 1959. Tom Terrific. There you go. Here's, by the way. Oh, yeah, sorry, Siever. Seaver writes, thief.

Here's the sound, by the way, of Tom Brady trying to back away from the story. Sounds like it's from the show. Hold on here. Before we get too precious of this, what, did Tom Seaver ever trademark this or patent it? It's not, sometimes it's not about money. It's just about what, it's an iconic nickname in baseball history.

And Brady, because he didn't like it, wanted to make it his, and then ostensibly profit off it somehow, if anyone else try to use it, I'm sure Tom Severs' people were on fire about it. Right. I mean, there's a nine-minute segment. He got caught. Stop defending the man. There's a nine-minute, nine-minute segment on YouTube of Boomer Osceison ranting about this,

that Tom Brady is not Tom's right. I suggest everyone never watched that. That's fair. One other little, well, I thought, heartwarming nugget about the ring handout, Josh Gordon finally gets a Super Bowl ring. Yeah, I mean, should have given in like a quarter of a ring. Why are you? Why are you? I just think when I think of someone that just absolutely, you know,

should be running around town with a Super Bowl ring on his finger. He's been through a lot and you know what? No doubt. He absolutely was crucial in getting that buy that they ended up getting. I called it heartwarming. My last note is on the act of coaches. giving canceling the last practice and what they do with the time so it's a team building exercise the jets for instance adam gase canceled practice and went to top golf that's a good choice i love top

golf it's a fun activity the dolphins a little basic they cancel practice and they go bowling well and their new head coach went and got a super bowl ring too that night yeah and um i don't care i don't care who got a ring i don't care about the patriots and their rings or anything else it doesn't matter to me. Finally, but the one I really like. Nice job by Vic Fangio, who did an excellent job with the Broncos. He did a full field day. He canceled practice and he gave the guys on the Broncos got to do this. Home run derby, remote control car race, basketball shootout, water balloon toss, shaved Italian ice station. That's great. Golf chipping contest. Dunk tank. And there is a rumor. I don't know if it sounds overly complex. John Elway will be participating in the

dunk take, dunk tank. That is great. That's how you do it. Everybody, follow. Follow. Those are all things you hate, by the way, Mark. Every single thing you would pass on. Italian ice station sounds appealing to me.

Close it out, Mark. One little other Patriots nugget from the Mike Lombardi podcast, there was this point made. If he is done, if Rob Grunkowski is actually done, why is he going to going to TB12 to work out every day? Why isn't he Miami working out? Why is he not losing weight and getting all thin a la Joe Thomas? He is staying in top physical condition, not simply, you know, fading into some sort of Hollywood Hills scenario

where he's out till three in the morning with a bunch of mingstresses. No, he is working out like a crazy man. It just suggests to me that the door is not closed on his return. Well, I agree with you. I think he's coming back. But even if he wasn't coming back, I feel like Gronk, and I don't want to paint the guy in a simplistic light.

But I feel like that Gronk, that's what Rob Gronkowski does. Yeah, he's going to... He pumps iron. Here's those pictures of him at hot yoga down in Miami for a lot of the offseason. He hangs with hot chicks on boats. He hangs with his brothers. Like, I feel like working out is always going to be a big part of it. I don't doubt that,

but I just think the level of intensity suggests. not that I've observed these workouts with the naked eye, but you know, just that he's still plugged in. You could at least take a couple months after you retire and kind of float away and do whatever you want. The opposite's happening. Anybody that will be surprised if he comes back

just, you know, pull together. It wouldn't be a shock if he comes back. I mean, there is a raging need for him on the roster also. Huge. And it got bigger this week. All right. That's it. As we teased on Wednesday, throw out some iTunes reviews now Apple podcast reviews I guess we shouldn't call it whatever

let's see let's see let's go through it five stars I'm reading these by the way as I see see them so don't read into what I'm choosing five stars but I will take one star off if Mark keeps mispronouncing Sequin it's Sequan not Suquan I'm not even a Giants fan but it bothers hell out of me every time. Yikes, yikes. Wow. You're coming in hot out of the gate. So are you allowed to edit your star rating?

Maybe you are. Maybe. Please. This one from Zach, more entertaining than move the sticks, but not as intelligent. Sorry. Well, I mean, you know, none of the four of us have been touted as future NFL GMs at this point. I think that's fair. If you want a totally like boring but intelligent podcast.

Yes, that's an option. He loves the show in the fun atmosphere. They have some good things to say, and I really appreciate it. They don't seem professional at all. So it's very attainable knowledge. I mean, the wording here, I also like that they talk about their own fandom,

blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Whatever's that. Sounds like Evan Silva to me. Thank you for the five stars. Oh, this is nice. Dan has great hair, five stars. As a 45-year-old bald man, I really look up to the hair game that Dan has.

Wait, so you're just. sifting through and picking the ones that you find appealing to read to us. Kind of like Brian Erlocker. Erlocker was great when he came on our Super Bowl shows. But it is weird that he grew to the hairback. That's all. That's all saying that. Let's see.

You want me to find something that presents you in a positive light mark? I'll do it. I mean, unless it's going to take a long time. I mean, right now we've got 3,600 ratings. That's just like such a small fraction. of the audience. So if you've made it this far, it's Friday in the off season.

We're 50 minutes in here. We're reading iTunes Roos. You are our people. You are the people that should listen and just help us out and throw in that five stars and put a comment in at this point because that number,

we're going to jack it up. I want to see it at four when I come back. Asher Boner, Paul says, could be better, five stars. Bring Claiborne on full time. Liz Claiborne, I don't know, who's referring to, maybe Patrick. That was nice.

At least it was a compliment. Five stars and, you know, they like Claibon. That's something. Ooh, this one's good, Mark, from Overlord. Talking about animal deaths is wrong, one star. Used to love the pod, but the latest draft review episode they spent over five minutes talking about murdering cats in Australia and how it's okay. Then they all chimed in with other atrocious stories of mass animal killings.

I think I was at this show, but this is a football podcast where this type of banter shouldn't be allowed, not that they'll care, but they just lost. a loyal listener. Wow. That cost us. I don't recall like spending 20 minutes on cat deaths, but I don't doubt that it occurred. Spencey B on May 25th gave a perfect example

of what you should do with your iTunes review. Five stars and then it just says show grade B minus. Great job. Why I like the show, five stars by BPW. Co-workers use NFL topics as cover for 60 minutes of near constant ball busting. I like, I'm just jumping in now because I'm seeing ones that are amusing me.

One star, pointless. Great if you want to hear people complain about movies they watched years ago. That's fair. That's a totally fair. I hated the show when we were talking about Game of Thrones every week or every show for a while there. It happens sometimes.

Like it a lot, Granicus. Been listening since 2015. There's a strong dad-core undercurrent, permeates the show. Dad core. Erica, you are a youth. You're a millennial, a petite millennial. Tell me what dad core means.

I don't even know. I would say dad core. Like, you could, you guys definitely have like the dad jokes. You know, you guys are just, you guys are dads. I think it's just a relatable type. I like this one one out of five. Headline, eh, by Bugaholic. And his only comment is pretty boring.

Hmm. How about great football talk? Five stars by Bija Vila. Turning into one of my favorite pods. Love the different opinions and that they're not all agreeing to the same thing and why I'm pointing this one out. Greg is surprisingly very funny.

Hold on this. It surprisingly is a little bit of a dig, but I'll still take it. Five out of five stars must listen from Will Jones 1215. Best podcast hands down, Mark, Dan, and Wes are hilarious while also bringing a ton of football knowledge. Greg is also on the show. nice job guys five stars one of my favorites love the sincerity of wg plus m which plays well off the bluster of d we don't have long names to spell out just spell them out all the reckon there's no bluster

here it's all substantial all the recognition you guys are getting is very well deserved all right anybody good i think we're good i'm going to read through these thoroughly though this How about this one from Tyler Dunking, Mark, five stars, and comments, Sessler? There you go, Mark. You got it. All right, I feel much better heading into the weekend now. We will be back next week, yes. So a bunch more teams are doing their mandatory mini-camps.

It will be our last week of three shows for a little bit, for a minute, as the kids say, which actually means a little bit longer. Probably about what, six weeks? Probably for about six weeks. Right. We'll dial it back. until the NFL reconvenes for... But we'll still be here.

We're still going to do two shows a week throughout June into much of July and then switching back to three shows once training camp kicks off. So we're not going anywhere. We don't go anywhere. That's how we built this bastard. All right.

Ricky, have a nice weekend. You're in West Hollywood. It's Pride weekend. That place is going to be going off. It's going to be popping. I would like to be a part of the festivities. I don't know if... Because I'm a dad,

But if you're doing anything fun, maybe shoot a text. I mean, Mark was there last year. Yes, Wes and Lakeisha were with me. Colleen, we partied it up last year. It was great time. I would say that your absence was suspicious last year, didn't. Yes, I think you should read into it however you'd like. But I'd like to be involved with it this year.

Yes. Okay. I'll send you the details. I'll let you know where to meet up. Just wait there. Sounds like a trap. All right. That's it.

This is Dan Hansa signing off for Quiet Storm and the old boss. The Ricky Hollywood behind the glass. West will be back next week. So until that. Till Monday. This is an I-heart podcast.