NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - What the Buc?! Fournette, Captain Cam and Mixon Deal

Episode Date: September 4, 2020

Friday News Rundown! A bunker filled with heroes - Dan Hanzus, Marc Sessler, and Gregg Rosenthal bring you all of the latest news in the NFL. We hit Fournette to the Bucs, Cam to start for the patriots, Kamara returning after drama and Joe Mixon's new deal. OH - Adrian Peterson was cut, Josh Gordon is back and Tyrell Williams is out for the season. Steve Wyche stops by to talk his new podcast, Huddle & Flow. Football is 6 days away, let's get ready!Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Yay, football. Maybe. Indeed. Welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL podcast. My name is Dan Hans is coming to you from a virtual room filled with heroes Mark Sessler Greg Rosenthal, Ricky Hollywood

What's up, boys and girl? Hey, did you guys know that the NFL season is starting next week? I can't believe it. That's like now become a cliche. I was saying it a week ago. I was the one making the cliche But now I've just heard it

so many times I'm sick of hearing that. I don't know what you're talking about, Greg. I can't wait till I open up my timeline on Sunday and Scott Hansen's like One week from today, we're watching football. I mean, the irony is I am truly excited. I think we are. It's going to be fun.

But I'm just, I'm sick of hearing the same things on this little ramp up. Like, let's just get there. Let's just get to Thursday night. I sent you the one, you know, last night there's, and this is like a billion dudes doing this like, uh-oh, because, you know, college football, it's going to be the last Thursday without football until like December 29th. I don't know if I'm, that just makes me feel anxiety, to be honest.

Like, I don't need that calendar update at this point. I'm glad it's all back, but like, don't tell me about, I don't know. Also, I don't need presumptive tweets about what's going to happen in the future in the year 2020. Like, here's exactly what's going to happen on every week for the next four months. Let's just leave it open and we'll play it by year. Let's not get cocky here. Let's do the, and Greg, if you already know and who am I kidding. You definitely already know.

Let me know. But let's do the old cousin, Sal, Bill Simmons thing. Hey, guys, what's the spread for Texans KC? I don't know at all, I promise. All right. What do you, what do you, Mark, and then Greg and then Ricky, guess the spread? I'd say Chiefs by seven. I'll go eight and a half.

Chiefs minus seven. Good job, Mark. Eight and half. Ricky? Oh, I thought, I thought he had the answer, right? Minus 11. I think if my math is correct, probably isn't. No, I guess it's a tie.

Anyway, it's Chiefs nine and a half, laying the wood. So, who wins? I was the closest. I was the closest. Somebody else figured that out. Yeah, I was one away. I mean, that's, that this is, this is easy to add up. Yeah, but you're a minus.

It's a lot of respect. It's a lot of respect. I do wonder. and I don't want to get too deep into the desert. But the whole home field advantage thing is interesting. Are they going to really factor as you? Do you have the home field advantage still? There's been a lot of numbers and a lot of reality lately that home field advantage is pretty overrated to begin with.

That the last two or three years at least the desert's been building in a lot of home field advantage when really home teams aren't doing that much better than road team. Arrowhead might be a little different, but Arrowhead in itself is very different than normal Arrowhead. I don't know what like a smattering of 19,000, you know, families clustered in fours and fives does for a home field advantage. It's going to be weird. It's going to be weird. It's going to be bizarre.

They're going to have people in there, the building, right? 16,000 people. Yeah. I mean, they're going to do the trophy ceremony. That'll be cool. You know, it's going to be Al and Chris. I am fired up about that. My kids are like, we'll be at home.

We'll be watching. Like, that's cool. But the 16,000 of it all, I don't know what that's going to feel like, because they will be somewhat loud, you would think. I mean, that's still a lot of people, even though they're spread out. But is this going to look strange? I don't know. But they're having the fake humped-in crowd noise, too.

They are? I thought I read that, yeah. Yeah, it's Luke wide, right? Everyone has to. I think that hum, that airline hum that Steve Weiss told us about it, Sofi, is across the board, and it turns on before kickoff and turns off after the final, what was the final gun. Like a tape recorder.

I was, I was, we were talking about before we started today, how I've been, disappointed in what feels a little bit hollow the baseball season with all the all the COVID related drawbacks this season and one of the ones that really stinks is like if you're a Washington nationals fan I know that organization hasn't been around forever they used to be the expos but that was a fan base that for years they were a bottom feeder and then they go in this unlikely world series championship run and then there's no celebration with 50,000 screaming fans in DC to hoist the flag and give the ring So at least the chiefs get a taste of that,

even though it's not the same as 80,000 screaming fans at Arrowhead. That's a weird year. And I checked the standings a little while ago. The Washington team stinks, so they can't even enjoy that. You could call the nationals, the nationals still. It's our Washington team that we can't call by the nickname anymore. One little nugget from the chiefs getting the rings the other day

where Patrick Mahomes, you know, we've been up in those suites during the combine in Indianapolis. and there was a nice suite up in Kansas City that was decorated from head to toe with ornate probably like $14,000 worth of flowers where he proposed to his, you know, a fiancé now, now a fiancé, girlfriend turned to fiancé. And like, I mean, just another example

of Patrick Mahomes doing things just a little bit better than basically any other man that I could point to at this point. I liked how I did it. Yes. One day on a beach on the Pacific Ocean. in Malibu. Give me that over the sweet with flowers. Were you by yourself or did you like have a friend hiding as like a photographer? Yeah. Oh, I had no. It was just me and my future wife. I did the beach too. Beach at night and she she was so genuinely surprised. She thought I was joking, which is where like a lifetime of sarcasm comes back to bite you. She genuinely thought for for a little while. But yeah, I'm not giving Mahomes any credit over me for that. I mean, uh, I will. I'm happy. happy how I did it. Mark, how'd you do it?

Actually, it was, Simone lived up in Santa Monica, and it was... So we went to the beach. No, I didn't do the beach. It was just like, I decided that night, I didn't know where I was like, I'm doing it tonight. And I went up to see her and, like, we took a walk, and I just did it on the street corner up from, like, her apartment where we had hung out for months and months. So just on the line.

Then we recreated it so someone could take a photo. What did you say? I'm pregnant, Mark. Now what? I'm in a, homina, I'm gonna, I'm gonna. Off to Vegas. No. Inaccurate.

Mark's like, only a little true. No, you guys have a standard courtship. Yeah, I know. Simone, if you're listening, I'm sorry. She is not listening. She was a staunch listener, but 2020 has rocked her listening status to the core. All right. Well, we'll get her back hopefully once the games begin and her Niners are thriving, hopefully.

All right, let's get to the news. It's a rundown Friday. You are the weakest link. Goodbye. Do you know that that show's coming back to NBC? Is it? Is it now? I mean, Mark, I mean, Dan's been wanting to bring it back for years.

I try to bring back that pop culture bit about five years ago. It didn't take. But maybe NBC has something. cooking that I didn't know about it. Ricky, do you have any more on this that you could share at this time? Not at this time, no, but I did see on Twitter that Jane Lynch is hosting the new one. So that should be cool. Oh, they're not bringing the British, uh, the stern British women back? Yeah. I don't know. I'm excited to watch it. And I think that everybody should watch it because it's going to be fun, funny and fun.

Hey, Erica, you missed the show on Monday, huh? Yeah. Why? I was just busy. Really? I think we're laying some breadcrumbs here, folks. Follow along. Yeah.

All right. Let's get into the news. Subreddit's going to have so many theories about that one. Let's get into it starting with Leonard Fournett, who cut loose by the Jaguars, the former first round pick, picked up by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, assigned to a one year $2 million contract.

It can get up to $3.5 million if he hits some incentives for rushing yards and playing time. It creates a very crowded backfield situation in Tampa, including LaShawn McCoy's there. And Mike Garofalo reported that he's still going to be in the mix, potentially. Ronald Jones is there. Greg, what did you think about this signing? Do you think Fournett could potentially be a fit in Tampa? I'm not surprised.

And I think all the fantasy heads who were touting Ronald. Jones hardcore all preseason deserve what they got they should have seen it coming that that roster well because it became like a trendy thing and I like Ronald Jones as a runner too but if you had to make a list of the teams that were most likely to add a veteran at the end of August to mess up your fantasy ring it was the bucks they sort of telegraphed it and I think four net's fine I kind of think he makes sense for them as another back because I don't love a Ronald Jones LaShawn McCoy backfield. But if he was a third or fourth round pick, we wouldn't even be having him, you know,

talking about him on the show because he's just a fine power back that can split up the work. And you just worry a little bit about, is he going to be happy splitting up the work? Is Lashon McCoy going to be happy being third on the depth chart? You know, Aryan's already said Ronald Jones is our guy. Like, is Ronald Jones going to be happy if he's not the guy in week three or four? It's a lot to deal with. I wonder if it's like it's either Tom Brady has, you know,

significant influence in Tampa, and he's building a backfield that's not that different in a way from New England's where you've got a bunch of guys, and you kind of don't know who's going to do what from week to week. Or I just think more likely, they're not that happy with any of these players, and it's like they're going to keep looking for answers, and they'll probably have, you know, different roles. I mean, they already cut, they drafted Raymond Calais, who Bruce Ariens was crowing about, you know, when they took him. He got released. I mean, they got rid of Derry Agamboale, if I'm saying that right, who was a really core special teams player for them. So I think Fournette has a role, but I think it's probably closer to like a goal line

type role or like a late game hammer. You make me think, Mark, though, about one of the benefits of Tom Brady is, now that I, now that we kind of talk it out, is, is Fournette and McCoy really going to act up with Tom Brady as the quarterback? I do think there is something to the, to the leadership and to the effect Brady has in terms of like, look, this is our one year to go win the Super Bowl. We don't want to mess it up for Tom Brady. Let's just be good team players. I think that is a bonus. Right.

Legerick Blunt goes to Pittsburgh and, you know, within two months, he's riding around with Levion Bell smoking weed in a car. He's back in New England. He doesn't speak again and rushes for like 200 yards in the playoffs. So I think that effect is real. Yeah, he was, listen, everything we hear, and there was a report after he was cut, that he was a knucklehead there. And we saw it with some of the antics.

on the sideline. I think Tom Coughlin was all fired up after a playoff game, was it? Or at the end of a game once about some of his behavior. That stuff's not going to fly with Brady. I totally agree that if Fournett has the ability to make a difference, and Wes kind of scared me off that corner a little bit with his analysis earlier this week, that he's kind of just a numbers compiler and a bit of a plotter as opposed to a dynamic player, maybe that's just going to be the case.

But I think it's a perfect spot for him, ultimately. Let's move on. The Patriots make an announcement that I don't think surprises anyone, but at the same time, now it's official. And that's interesting. Cam Newton is the successor to Tom Brady as the starting quarterback of the New England Patriots. Cam, who signed a deal this summer well after free agency coming off the foot injury that ruined his 2019 season, a couple shoulder surgeries.

But he looked good in camp, we hear. Well, we heard a lot of different things in camp, but we heard that he was also a good leader, named a team captain, Mark Sessler, and he is now going to be the week one QB. I know you're feeling bullish on Cam when he's signed. Do you still feel that way as we approach week one? Maybe a little bit less, because I, you know, as you mentioned,

the camp reports were really mixed out of the gate, but that doesn't surprise me that much. I guess I'm more interested just to see what this offense will look like. That's going to be one of the first games I'll go check out in week one. What is, I mean, you have a completely different type of player. The idea that he's named starter, I mean, wasn't this race over like weeks ago when Jared Stidham was, you know, whipping interceptions all over the place and dealing with an injury? I mean, and also, like, I think that these races, I just look at them as, who is this player and who is that? And why did they bring Cam Newton in?

The idea that Cam Newton was going to be on the sideline in week one with cameras panning to him every two minutes, I didn't really buy it. Now, maybe they, maybe it was fair to start. had to make sure he was healthy but you're right once he was it was really one week and then they started giving him starter reps because they're trying to get ready you know for the season i belichick actually didn't announce it publicly when they asked him about it friday he still wouldn't say who the starter is but he told the team who the starter was so obviously people from the team and that all got out like they made the announcement cams our guy this is who we're he's so funny behind i mean it's like what's the point i don't i don't

You think he likes that there's a leak inside Foxborough Place, whatever they're calling it? You can't keep that a secret. Plus, the reporters kind of let it be known, even though they're not really supposed to, that the last few weeks, look, they've been practicing some option football. Like, the offensive line has been answering questions about, okay, what's it like to be blocking for offense that's going to have all these RPO's and options and stuff like that? like it's a totally different idea than Tom Brady was there. So obviously that leads you to believe they're changing the offense significantly. I love as a Patriots fan the fact that his teammates named him the captain. It doesn't surprise me at all.

I listened to this Spotify podcast, The Ringer Made, called The Cam Chronicles. It was really well done. And one of my takeaways from it was just the force of his personality, just as a leader. And as a dude that other football players love to. get behind. I mean, we know he's a big personality in front of the mic, but also behind the scenes in terms of, you know, the work that he does and just kind of the galvanizing way he's going to get that locker room behind him. Didn't take him long. Basically, all those dudes just want to play with Cam. Whether it works or not, I don't know. But it's fun to

imagine as a Patriots fan. He's almost like the perfect replacement for Brady because he's not Brady-esque. He's completely different type of player, which means you're not comparing the same offense but also like he's got that thing about him that aura where like all these younger players would to your point just find it amazing to be in the same offense with cam newton now it has to work rickie you've been bracing this yet or what i mean i know you're still hung up on the one bad press conference quote you know but come on no no no it's good i'm i'm excited it'll be good it'll be very interesting like you said i mean our our offense is a little all over the place Well, it's not that talented.

It's not a talented group of pass catchers. I think ultimately he feels to me still he's a bridge quarterback, but that's not a bad thing when the bridge is coming from the greatest quarterback ever. And then if Cam, whether he works out or he bombs, then maybe the young guy comes in and he's not getting compared directly to Brady. He's getting compared to the guy that replaced Brady. Remember the whole thing? You don't want to be the guy who replaces the guy.

You want to be the guy who replaces the guy who replaced the guy? Yeah, you do. That's whoever the next Patriots quarterback is. Speaking of the Patriots and their weapons, Mos Sanoo has been released. Your boy, I think Tom Curran, Greg, called him plotting during training camp and fell behind on the depth chart coming off that ankle surgery. But in terms of Bill Belichick's personnel record,

which is generally Sterling, this one was a mega bomb. They gave up a second round to make a Super Bowl run at the trade deadline last October to get Sanoo, and now he doesn't even make it to 2020. on the rush. Yeah, I think people sort of lost that fact that it was about pushing to go far last year for a team that, you know, had a chance at a buy up until week 17. It was one of the worst personnel moves of the Belichick era. He's had plenty. I mean, they all have had plenty. Of course. Like, you're hoping to do like 5% better. He gives up on his mistakes quicker, but man, he's made

some big ones. And this is this is up there. I thought they thought they'd get two years. out of Sunu, so that, you know, it wasn't just last year. So they give up a second round pick, which they've blown a million times taking terrible defensive backs anyways, like for Sunu is a disaster. It really, it reminds me a little bit of the Ocho Cinco signing in trade, which, which I always hammer cost them a Super Bowl. And I don't think this was that costly, but it was pretty close. It goes against, Antonio Brown was another bust for them, too.

Antonio Bone was a bus. But to me, they didn't give up on that position. Yeah, they didn't give up much. They don't have any depth. That's what's going on. He's trying to patch it with veterans and it's becoming expensive. What about the whole pink pony thing though, Mark? He's, you know, pink pony is supposed to be Mark's great theory.

It's like, oh, these, these Patriots operatives go to other places and take advantage, you know, and then feed the Patriots. Well, how about former Patriots front office staffer Thomas Dimitrov just, you know, crushing Belichick, sending them some used goods for, second round pick. He's not getting invited to the Nantucket cookouts anymore, Dimitrov. Just kill it Belichick in that trade.

Dimitrov has survived so many ups and downs in Atlanta that there may be a whole different thing going on there in terms of a, I don't know what kind of colored pony you'd be a red pony down there. There's weird stuff. I mean, I don't kill this Belichick

on this one for this one move because I'd want... Because I'd want someone that actively is going for when you're in position to get a buy had it worked had you gotten a healthy version of a snoo that was in Atlanta it would have helped a lot they were sniffing around Emmanuel Sanders though too well that would have

been and you do think about you know the road not not taken there well you can't get out like it costs more than Sanders yeah Greg I just want to know what you were talking about a little like a minute ago you said Antonio bone who's that Antonio boned them you know he's bone oh that's that approach that's a he's actually He's an actor in a film that Greg watches sometimes. A bit of a, ultimately a bit of a look at me move, I thought, by Belichick, you know. I know, but Dan, like, wait, what's the look at me move? Dan, no, Dan, if you think that I'm going to go too far and defending Belichick?

Cutting them or trading for him? I don't even get the joke. It's like here, yeah, here I, my depth chart at wide receiver is 34-year-old Julian Edelman and the Harry kid who was kind of. shaky as hell last year as a rookie. And Mo Sanu coming off ankle surgery, the fact that he wasn't moving. Well, you

asked me to talk. You got to let me talk. You know, the fact that maybe he wasn't moving so great in training camp and a shortened pandemic training camp, yeah, let's get rid of them because I want to prove to everyone that I eat my mistakes and I keep moving because I'm a tank and there's no reverse gears in this tank.

All right. I mean, he was your coach for about three hours and those were three good hours. You think he's worried about the PR, I mean, once you got, once you got a stiff, you get rid of them. You don't keep, you don't sign them, you know, it's like. Oh, I hope Sunnu signs of somebody. He'll sign with the jets, just like DeMarius Thomas and Braxton Barrios.

Like, just keep, uh, keep getting these guys. Keep hitting out. Keep hitting out at me. It's not my fault that it was a terrible trade. I mean, you're hitting out at multiple people, Dan. Like, let's be. I am hitting out at no one. That's football analysis, Jack. No, it's not. No, no. All right. Next topic. Alvin Camara is back on the field with the Saints. There's been some contract drama there that's kind of tiresome to me.

So if you guys want to talk about their deal, which is either happening or not happening, but he's going to be on the Saints this year. Someone that did get paid is Joe Mixon, who signed a four-year, $48 million extension through 24 with the Cincinnati Bengals, a quick trip into the Bengals sanctuary here. Mixon returned to the field himself. Remember, he had those migraine headaches, which quickly disappeared after he got paid. So Mixing gets paid.

Camari gets waiting to get paid. Both are playing with their teams right now. Yeah, Mixin's deal coincided with, you know, the Camara news going from, you know, interesting to kind of nuclear. I heard some whispers about some things that happened behind the scenes, maybe between Camara and, you know, his coaching staff. There is things, but he's back on the, he's back on the field. Well, speak on those whispers.

Just that, you know, there's drama, that there was drama, and then he was gone for four or five days. Malcolm Juggins, by the way, has been gone from Saints practice too for two weeks. No one is explaining that. I'm a little curious about what's happening there, too. The Saints have kept some good secrets. but I think Camara gets paid. The Mixon deal just made it harder, and so did the Christian McCaffrey deal.

It's amazing to think how far Mixon came, though. I mean, he was kind of, you know, a guy that the Bengals took a lot of grief for signing, and no one's giving them grief now for giving him, like, a four-year contract. I mean, his domestic violence history is kind of barely even mentioned at this point, and now they're willing to pay him for four or five years.

Yeah, I mean, it's, and that was a Marvin Lewis, you know, draft pick and the new regime came in and seemed to not veer away. I mean, Nixon, from an on-field perspective, fits the offense really well. And it kind of shows you, Cincinnati, like, really slow to do things like this in the past and, you know, kind of building key players around,

like, I could see them moving on, but then you suddenly get that quarterback in there, and they're like, let's kind of be Chiefs-esque and surround Joe Burrow with as much talent as we can long term. I mean, the Saints thing for me is, like, is I can't remember a team that was, like, you know, basically Super Bowl or bust for one more season. I mean, you'd imagine Breeze will not be there next year.

Everything's going away. Are you going to really, like, float into a thorny NFC South without Alvin Kamara? I mean, if you don't get that done, what are you doing? They're chasing Chedevi and Clowny for the same reasons, you know? In other running back news, Adrian Peterson is done with the Washington football team in a move that was kind of a surprise. They part ways with the great running back, now 35 years old. saves the team $2.5 million against the cap, opens up playing time for dudes like

Antonio Gibson and Bryce Love. And listen, all day, Greg, out on the street on the eve of week one, is this the end? Do you think he catches on somewhere? And where do you think Washington's backfield goes from here? I think he'll get a job at some point this year. Maybe not before week one when your contract for the whole season is guaranteed. Because he could still run really well last year. He doesn't really make sense, though, on Washington, like a rebuilding team. He's a bit of a progress stopper. Like Sunu. Like Sunu. Sunu is a progress start. When you have talent like Jacobi Myers and Gunnar Olshevsky, you can't have Suno out there. Stopping that progress. So Peterson really can run well. Or he did last year. He really did. He really did.

Like he was absolutely a better player than Leonard Fournette was a year ago. I mean, I don't even think it's a question. I think if you just look at like Scott Turner, or Norv Turner's son, the O.C., that Adrian Peterson, despite, like, there were reporters from the athletic, like five or six days ago saying that Peterson was an absolute lock, and that they thought Bryce Love was the one who would booted out of off the roster. But he didn't really fit Scott Turner's offense, you know. And I should know, I once ran into Scott Turner at the airport, and I said to him,

you know, hey, because this was after they had been with the Browns, I said, I'm really sorry about what happened in Cleveland. I thought you did a great job. Now I don't know if he did a great job. But he looked to me like, uh-huh. and just like, I'm just trying to get on this plane, get out of my face right now. And it was like one of those, it was like seven, 12 in the morning. And I thought, I probably shouldn't have, you know, gone forward with that interaction.

But he's trying to make the connections. If you knew you were a podcaster, you know, of such repute, maybe he would feel differently. But maybe just thought you were one of those. I would put some respect on your name. No, I think I said I was from, you know, NFL media, which I was much more from NFL.com back then. but I realize that has literally zero credence with anyone. So you just use the umbrella NFL media term. And, like, they can imagine that maybe you're just an accountant

or work in HR at that point. So, you know, it was not a successful conversation. I've always appreciated how aggressive you are in airports when you spot people that you know. Like, you're a guy that will, and it just happened with Sam Darnold this spring. You will always go up to the person and talk to them, which is something I would never do.

I don't even think I would have done it with Darnold. And I don't say that it's like, because I don't want to invade their space. It's just I would feel uncomfortable doing it. But Sessler don't care. Well, Henry once, Henry always kills me about this because he, I believe it, he ran into me, like, sitting next to Greg Roman. And I was just like, I guess my thing is like you've got one chance to do it. Do it. And I got that photo from, I felt bad getting the Sam Darnold photo because it looked like I was, you know, Dan should have been Dan.

And I told him, I said, like, you know, Dan and Dan's dad on our podcast. Podcasts really love the Jets, and that was another kind of thousand-yard stare. I love that sphere. I mean, that's what, you know, had you just pop in the question out of nowhere after you knocked up Simone, it was like, that's a beautiful thing to be that, you know, impulsive. I don't think you have the facts in order there, but all those things did happen, just not in that order. The best Sessler version of this wasn't at an airport.

It was at a highly boozy league event where Mike McAgnon, the then Jets general manager who was on the verge of drafting Sam Darnold was belly up at the bar and Sessler rumbled over there and I see them talking and then all of a sudden Mark turns with a big smile and just like waves me over here Dan!

And then we had like really nice conversation with Big Mac for 10 minutes. I think actually the most heightened experience and you were there too was Mark Davis where I attempted to corner Mark Davis for four or five minutes and he was in a white track suit in like a bowl haircut and you know two peas and a pie's in a pie.

Not a track suit. The best thing about Mark Davis is he's always in the same outfit at any league event. It's white jeans, not sweatpants. I've seen him in Zubaz. White jeans. I've seen him in Zubaz because you never forget. It's white jeans, maybe Zubaz. And then it's usually a white long, long sleeve t-shirt, usually Raiders apparel.

And then, yes, the haircut, which is pretty much iconic at this point. Like people thought Al Davis is iconic. I think at this point, and then if you read some of the profiles on Mark, does he still have the bubble top van? Remember that? I'm not aware of what's happening with the bubble top van at the moment. Like, Google that. Google that. All right. In other news. What else is going on? Oh, Josh Gordon is back with the Seattle Seahawks. They have some depth issues there behind their great one-two punch of Lockett and Metcalf.

So they bring Gordon back in the mix. The one hang up here is that Josh Gordon is still suspended. He's been suspended six times overall since 2013, including five times for drug-related offenses. He's currently banned for both PEDs and, you know, substance abuse. But that apparently seems to be coming to a potential end because he's on the Seattle roster and we'll see where he is at 29 years old. It's interesting. they brought in Paul Richardson, who had some decent moments in Seattle for about a week.

And they don't have a third receiver. Philip Dorset, the former Patriot, was supposed to be that guy. He's been hurt. They have a bunch of injuries. I think if Gordon is the third receiver behind two really talented receivers, it could work out. I mean, we've had this Gordon conversation a million time, but just as a football player, I also don't think you can count on him to be a star now either. But as a role player, then I think that makes sense

because I think his play has declined a little bit each time he's come back. I mean, let's just be honest here. You can't count on him, period. That's the conversation he's had a million times. But what would happen was, like, when he was in the middle of his five or six-year hiatus, he would come back in a preseason and look absolutely dominant.

And then he'd be gone two weeks later. I think that that dominance is not guaranteed on any level. But it's telling that with, you know, it's this weekend that you're going to have about 60, 70, 80 wide receivers set free that they're going to go with Josh Gordon as their pick. That, I mean, there is something so tantalizing about him if he's on the field. I mean, to bring back Richardson, not a lot of teams bring back guys that they parted ways with.

The Seahawks are a little different on that front. I just wonder, you know, let's use Des Bryant as another veteran wide receiver, desperately trying to get back in the league. is this version of Josh Gordon a better value for the Seahawks than somebody like it does Brian? I mean, Antonio Brown, I'll throw his name out there

because he's forgotten now, but... Well, you can't get Brown until week nine or 10. That's the problem. So it's like, I think that, you know... My answer would be yes. But imagine that.

Because when we've seen Gordon, I think he can still play. And when we saw Des last, I don't think he could still play at the high level. You know what? I don't... Obviously, I'm not speaking

from any inside knowledge. this. But doesn't Antonio Brown with the Pete Carroll Seahawks vibe of them bringing in guys that they feel they can rehab and then adding him to a push for a team that kind of needs a third banana

there, wouldn't that potentially be a great fit for the Seahawks? I mean, I can see it. There's probably like a five, maybe four or five teams that I would kind of buy and take a shot. He makes sense as a player for a lot of teams. Right. No, but the overall experience, like maybe that happens, you know, five weeks from now

or something and someone pulls the trigger. The Raiders are down a wide receiver. Tyrell Williams placed on injured reserve this week with a torn labrum. It is, that's a tough injury, and he's going to undergo surgery, so he cannot return this season. He got a lot of money from Mike Mayock and John Gruden last year, but it is not worked out. He's almost 29. This could be the end of his run.

in Vegas before it begins really. Yeah, this was a big loss. I mean, they paid him a ton of money. And to be clear, when you're put on injured reserve this week, it's for the season, like you mentioned, Dan. And if you want to keep your guys through the 53-man roster cut, which the deadline is Saturday afternoon, I think if he's on the roster by Monday, then you can start putting players on injured reserve.

And the rules are totally different this year. You have an unlimited amount of IR boomerangs, and I think you can do it for like three weeks because of COVID. So the IR rules are totally different this year. If you're putting a guy on now, you're saying, you know, he's not going to be of use to us. But there's going to be a ton of players on Monday and Tuesday that just have these sort of short-term injuries. Maybe an Alshan Jeffrey is a good example where, okay, maybe we hope you're back in week four or five. But now we can put you on IR. We don't have to worry about using up our boomerangs.

Like some teams are going to end up putting three, four, five players on IR. A lot of boomerangs. A lot of boomerangs. All right, let's spin through a couple of things real quick before we head off. And a reminder, we have our NFL Network program coming up. We're taping it today. It airs on Fridays online and then on NFL Network in the morning. Dwayne Haskins and Tarad Taylor.

You know, Mark and I did a Chargers thing with our buddy Chris Harry the other day. yesterday in fact and I noticed after doing an in-depth conversation about the quarterback for the Chargers that I was calling him Tyrod but I think that was corrected

a couple years ago it's Tarad right bad job by me but his coaches don't even say it I mean Anthony Lynn says Tyrod so it's one of those things it's He's putting people on the top position

So I don't feel so bad No people are going to half the population is going to think Tyrod so you're going to be dealing with that Check out on Twitter, Mark and I both retweeted Chris's tweet. We were on that Chargers live show. It was fun. The Cowboys released Ha-ha Clinton Dix, the former Packers' safety.

And listen, Jane Slater keeps telling all you guys it's not happening. Earl Thomas is not going to the Cowboys. Just believe her. She knows what she's talking about. This will come back to bite me come Monday show. She seems to be very confident. She seems very confident that Earl Thomas is not on the away. We shall see. And finally, in other safety news, the Browns make a move after Grant Delpit

tore his Achilles. They needed to add somebody else to that room. So enter Ronnie Harrison in a trade. Your thoughts on that one, Mark Sessler? I think, you know, the interesting player, Joe Woods, their defensive coordinator, wanted to use Delpit kind of all over the place. Harrison, who comes cheap, two millions over, two million over two years, played free safety, about 48% of the time up in the box, 31% of the time. So he can do a lot. Nick Sabum, loved him at Alabama. TBD, we'll see.

But the takeaway for me is that you look at the front office and they are not the type that's going to go out and jump after Earl Thomas. They're not going to go jump after like an overly priced veteran. I had some people around the team say, like, watch, they're going to go someone that fits exactly LeBron's model. and I know there's been a billion Browns models, but I really think this is the best.

Andrew Barry is the more promising GM than I've seen in years and years there, and he's stuck to what they want to do. Jags really taking it down to the screws here. I mean, not that Harrison was a star. He's just a guy who played a lot for them last year. He's a young player. But man, they're getting rid of, they do not have many players, especially on defense that have been there for a while.

And I am kind of amazed how little interest Earl Thomas is getting. I don't know what he's asking for financially. I suspect that's a big part of it. But it'll be interesting to see if, like, Clinton Dix, who's been solid. He never can find a team that believes in him, which is a red flag. But like it would be interesting to see if he gets a job before El Thomas. No one wants Earl Thomas. That's my takeaway.

Feels like Earl Thomas has some stink on him, you know. Well, you got teams hugged up against the cap, and you could see him asking for more money coming off a disastrous exit from Baltimore that people are comfortable with. Wouldn't we be hearing that there was some type of conversations happening then? Right. It seems pretty silent. People aren't into it.

I mean, that's the thing is like when the Cowboys publicly were saying, well, we're looking at it. Well, not really. I mean, you had your meetings, and once it's three, four, five days out of him being cut, they decided they're not into him. And all these other teams have decided they're not that into them. Maybe that changes after week,

one when the contracts aren't guaranteed or his price comes down. But it's pretty crazy for like a possible future Hall of Famer who played well last year. It's not like he played poorly. He played played well. All right. That's what's happening in the news. A couple program notes. Next week begins our, you know, shift into regular season.

Okay. So we're going to have a show that goes up on Labor Day Monday. And yes, get excited. because it will be our go-get-my-lunch. Spectacular, hopefully with Chris Wessling as well, joining us where we make our predictions for the 2020 season. Thursday will be our preview podcast where we break down all the week-one games.

Thursday night, we will have a minipod up for you that breaks down Texans chiefs. Can't wait for that. And then Sunday night, of course, the flagship program. Oh, I'm skipping something. Our NFL Network program will be taken in part from our Thursday audio preview. So if you want to see our mugs on television talking about what we talked about on the Thursday show, that will air Saturday mornings on NFL Network.

And then on Sunday night, the flagship program where we break down every game from the week that was, this one being week one, not bad. And then there's other stuff. There's more. The old Zusser has the power rankings and the power rankings show with Matt Money Smith. Greg, you're back with... Game Day View, Friday evenings, 8 p.m.

on NFL Network. And Ricky's helping out on that show, too. She's going to do some voiceover stuff where she kind of sets up different segments and stuff like that. So it's all happening. Plus, we have a stream. Keep an eye out on our Twitter accounts.

We're going to try to do some sort of stream on Wednesday just setting up the opener. It's not going to be a podcast, but just like a little. extra and in exchange for that leave us a comment and leave us some reviews we need some more i i saw people responded last time i appreciated it i love you all and mark i didn't forget about you and i didn't forget that you were wearing an awesome pink collared shirt and today you're wearing the exact same collar shirt only it's blue i notice these things so you know i have this is the first

time i bought shirts in like probably four years and so what i do is i went into a store i found one version of a shirt I like and just bought three colored versions of it. And I was out in eight minutes and that's how you do it. That's well done. What do you got cooking this season? You got a weekly column, right? Weekly column. Eric and I have a little fantasy thing that might hit the scene

a little bit later today or soon and TBD on some other stuff. What is that? You'll see. That's called the plug. Little Twitter cupcake out there for you to eat, take a little bite out of it. Enjoy it. Ew. That's not gross.

I don't know if we're going to... You know, this household's about to combust. So, I mean, you know, we'll see where we are three weeks from now. I'm not feeling ultra confident about the smoothness of the whole journey here. And one more thing, boys and girls. This has nothing to do with us, but it has something to do with one of our very favorite people at NFL media. The great Steve Weish. And I'm going to let him explain it to listeners that might not know about his new venture.

Steve, welcome to the Around the NFL podcast. I like you on every week and not getting paid for it. I love it. What's up? The Chris Kyle. I'm in a podcast game now, guys. Oh, in the podcast game. Yeah, I've got to tell us a little bit about it.

Yeah, Jim Trotter and I are going to be having a podcast, debuting September 8th, the Huddle and Flow podcast. Love that name. Yeah, you like that, a little sample? Yeah. Part of it, you know, two Howard Alums on the podcast. Sampling from the movie where two Howard

Alums, Anthony Anderson and Taraji P. Henson are two of the key stars, the hustle and flow. There's a nice sort of connecting of the dots right there. But yeah, I mean, so Jim and I, you know, we've had more than 40 years of covering the NFL. You know, as I said, two Howard

alums, we've got a lot of experience. It's not often you get two guys in the same school, but also two guys in the same historically black university. so we're going to be coming at this with a kind of hopefully a unique perspective on covering the NFL, some of the pop culture and social issues going on around it. And guys, our debut, September 8th, we've got Ron Rivera, the head coach of the Washington football team on there. And we've recorded it and all I can say is have the headline writers ready because there's a lot of stuff in here that nobody's heard before.

It goes back to our relationship with Ron and his trust and candor in us. but this is a nice little dive and some of the things that are going on there. You should call up the news desk. You know how this thing works. You should give them a copy. Help out the NFL media, NFL.com, and help out yourself.

They'll have some headlines ready for once that thing hits. Pump it up. You've got to think about the game now that you're getting into the podcast. You're competing with us. You've got to think a couple steps ahead here. Greg, let me tell you something. You're in my contrials, baby.

because it's already been done. Oh, there he goes. Already been done. Steve, I'll try to, you know, build rapport versus just blowing the whole thing up here. You know, they talk about you guys or people they would say, reporters with deep rollo dexes. When is the last time you actually on a desk or had a roodex?

I just feel like you probably shifted your deep list of contacts to online at this point. Great rapport builder here. You know what? You know what? Here's what I'm going to say, so you guys are vegan of pop culture. I'm Kaiser-Sose, brother. It's all right here.

It's all right here. No need for the Rolodex. Can't leave any evidence laying around for Chas Palmitry to finally catch up to and get. It's all right here. I hope that means you're not Kevin Spacey, too. You're just sticking to the character portrayed. I mean, We're speaking right now. Weiss's guns on the artworks from his podcast.

He's having a moment. It's like I think what it is, it's his second peak. He had the climb. He had the climb to the summit. of the industry. But you've got a lot of kids in the house. You're dealing with them. Now the kids,

I know the quarantines change that up a little bit here and there, but the kids are mostly taking care of themselves. They're into college. It opens up the time, and now Weiss is just peaking again. We've got to wait until our kids go to college for that second peak, Mark and Dan. Well, the first week.

I want to know where the dip is. Well, there's no dip. We're just hanging out at the top of the mountain for now, but now you're going up another mountain. But I have to say this, man. you guys the you know the lane you guys carved out and showing you know me and so many others on how to really articulate this podcast game to really kind of cultivate an audience and build an audience it's amazing what you guys have done you know i love you guys you're just great human beings but again

what you've done in the in the sports and the NFL podcast world and kind of bringing your own personalities and your pop culture references and everything into it we just hope that you know after a couple of years, if we get that much time, because, you know, typically black people only get one shot before they're fired, but if we get that much time to build, you know, something to what, you know, you guys have crafted. You know, I hope, you know, to really live up to the expectations you guys have said. Well, I came away from our, thank you.

I came away from our NFL summit thinking that maybe you alone feel that way about our show, but that's for another time. Yeah, how about that? Let's open the world to the great franchise that we're building here. Build some homes. Steve Weiss, you know that we love you. And this podcast, Huddle and Flow, absolutely will get the ATN podcast seal of approval.

And we look forward to hearing that Rivera interview and maybe even ripping some sound bites out of it and talking about it on this show. And, of course, having you back on against Steve and maybe Jim down the road as well, best of luck in the podcast game. Thanks, so I can't wait to have you guys on. It would be a spectacular show.

All right. Thanks, Steve. That sounds great. Thank you. All right. That's it for the Friday show. Let's sign off. I asked Ricky just to type in hustle and flow in the NFL media library and see what song came up.

So we're going to play out with that as a little nod to Steve's new show. Maybe it could be his theme song. I don't know. That's his call with Jim, obviously. But let's sign off. Now, this is Dan Hansen, sign it off for the great Steve Weish, the old boss. This is hustle and flow? This isn't the movie.

Nah. No, it's just our library's version. Thumbs down from Steve The Quiet Storm in Ricky Hollywood Until Monday This is bad You know We're going to be able to be.

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