NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - What You're Getting Up Early For; Mailbag

Episode Date: May 30, 2019

A room filled with heroes- Dan Hanzus, Gregg Rosenthal, Chris Wesseling and Marc Sessler bring you all of the latest news around the NFL including Chris Harris' new deal in Denver (7:35) Todd Gurley not participating in team drills in OTAs (10:33) and Marvin Lewis landing at AZ state (13:30). Gregg woke up at 5:30 the past few days to watch Tennis, but what about football that gets you up early? (20:11) The heroes end the show answering a few mailbag questions. ( 42:41).Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Welcome to another edition of the. around the NFL podcast. Is that your mom's name? Where did that come from now? She also listens to the show somewhat religiously, so that's going to probably throw her for a loop as it did us and me. Defined somewhat religiously, like lapsed her once a week. I don't want to commit her to it, but I think she listens to it a lot, like almost every show.

Dan Hanzas and I'm joined in a room filled with heroes. Mark Sessler, Chris Wessling, and Greg Rosenthal. What is up, boys? I mean, it absolutely threw me for a loop because Ricky, with the money drops, we basically crowdsource it? Yes. So does that mean some stranger on Twitter? But wait, you guys just, you guys just forgot.

There was one episode like last month where Mark was like, if I was a girl, if I was Barbara Sessler and people didn't know that that was your mom, it was like it sounded like you just came up with, if you were a female, you would be Barbara Sessler. So it's like a callback to your own joke that you guys don't remember. Not a lot of Barbara's being born today being named Barbara.

It's not a hot, I wouldn't call it a flaming hot name at the moment. It feels like it peaked in the 50s and 60s. Well, I could come back. I'm not calling it peaked, but, you know. I don't know if I've ever met a Barbara that's under the age of 40, honestly. I feel like it was removed as an option.

I don't know why. Babs? I have a name. Good nickname. Sort of like how Gary's going to be for men in the next... Yeah, any barbers I can think of were, you know, on television or movies a while ago. You know what? I say bring back Barbara.

I think it's a very nice... It'll come back. Babs? They all come back eventually. Actually, my neighbor is a woman named Barbara. She's about 70, 75 years old. She's lived in the same house since she was a girl. So she's been on my block, and she's also the kind of cliche older lady that's old.

always looking out the window and knows everybody's business. So she's a great resource. So I always keep in touch with Babs. I call her Babs. And the first time I said it to her, she went, oh, my, no one has called me that in many, many years. Wow. Why does it not surprise me that you have already enlisted a spy for your name? Seriously.

The name Barbara was the number two ranked name in the 30s and had an amazing run where it stayed in the top 10 until 1960. Now, not even in the top 900. It's a versatile name but I guess that's not valued anymore Taking a dirt nap Save it for the Babs podcast All right Welcome to the Thursday edition

of the Around the NFL podcast We have a very nice show for you And I love any episode Where we can interface with the listeners That sounded a little clinical It did But how about just communicate That's a little warmer

Share something together Share something together There it is share something together so the mailbag uh makes its return and a nice job got some good queries um this this time around so we'll do that a little later also gregg you are um you you seem to be in good spirits and awake but you've been up for a long time apparently and it ties into our segment uh what we're getting up early for what did you get up early for well i i had some french open action that i was i was excited to watch and uh got up around

5.15 a.m. A little later than I meant to, but, you know, the match, what is this? The tropol. It got me thinking, sort of about Wes's passion for the Reds right now is inspiring. That's the other thing. Like, he gets home from a night out,

maybe he's had a couple drinks or whatever. He knows the final score, or he doesn't. He gets home at 11 p.m. He watches the entire Reds game until 2 in the morning. That is a level of devotion. And it's almost inspiring, but I feel that way about some of it's a madness. I watch these games so I can have the film at my disposal. So in my mind, I can make future moves that will make the Reds better,

even though I have no power to make any moves for the Reds. And so, you know, I do that for a big Cania Shikori matches, you know, in the Grand Slam. What are the football? What are the football things that are getting you up in the morning? It's been our job for a while here, but what still gets those juices flowing like a little kid? Now, I know you're a Red Sox fan, so you hate the Yankees, but do I inspire you that I watch like 150 Yankee games? Is it only because Wes?

I know the answer to that question. And he's the red. No, that's fair. Your fandom of the Yankees has been tried and true and consistent. I was just kind of blown. Your Yankees are easy to root for. The Reds are hard. I was just kind of blown away.

He gets home and he knows the score and then he starts at the beginning and then watches anyway. And the other day I texted him about like a game-winning home run. And he didn't respond for two hours later because he was avoiding text and watching the game starting from the first inning. And, you know, it's like, this is madness. I agree, it is madness. Six games under 500 in May. Enjoy this before the next two Mays come around.

This is how I know you're not a real Reds fan, Greg, because anyone with a pulse on the Reds know that they are ascending and they will make the playoffs. You are an incredible diehard Yankees fan, though. You watch every single game, too, that you possibly came. Well, had a successful blog as well for years that you could still find It was marginally successful, yes, River and Sunset. You had it on in the house before the wedding.

You were in your tucks. See, that's real family. Love the national pastime. It's well known. I'm very disappointed. I had a baseball blog, too, back in the day. Well, that is a B-story line character. All were baseball writers?

Dan's was a quite a, that is quite a thing. You're the tennis guy, stick to tennis. I didn't even, I didn't even like watching tennis five years ago. I thought that you played tennis this morning, and now I find out that you simply probably rolled over in your baseball. bed and watched it on your phone or something. I mean, I had to go out to the main room, make some coffee, but yeah, it wasn't that impressive.

All right. So what gets us up early in the morning for football? Let's start with some news. Hey, oh, speaking of ludicrous, my favorite song, roll out by ludicrous and tune in tomorrow. Maybe I'll sing it. Who knows? Charlie Kast. on NFL network.

Now, the question, did someone get in Charlie's ear and say, mention ludicrous? Or does Charlie Casserly, the former general manager, of course, of both the Washington Redskins and the Houston Texans? He's been on our show, an older gentleman, great guy, Charlie. Does he actually know? Totally organic. Totally, totally organic. Based on his Instagram feed, I think a lot of people might underestimate what Charlie knows about many things. Well, he's got a daughter.

And that's a song that, like, plays at sporting events. I have a feeling that's a real thing that he knows that song. Wow. I don't think he has a CD. I don't know. That's my take. I know. We could have mined that topic a little from another angle as well,

which is it does feel like producer fed, but I think we all believe that Charlie's versatile. I actually know the answer. I'll tell you guys privately. Oh, no. All right. Let's get into the news and start. Why would it be so disappointing to you?

Well, just what a bad take I had. You know, what a. disastrous way to start the show. Chris Harris and the Broncos have gotten a deal done. The cornerback who was unhappy with his contract status reached an agreement with the Denver Broncos to adjust his salary for 2019. He'll now be paid just a shade over 12 million.

James Palmer reported Tuesday evening. Mike Cliss of Nine News first reported it and the team later confirmed it. So Chris Harris in the building. This is a four-time Pro Bowl play. a one-time all-pro selection. He turns 30 on June 18th, and that's a tricky number for a number one cornerback.

But, Wes, this is a move that keeps the Broncos in a good place defensively. There was talk that he could be trade bait around the draft. This is a much better outcome for this organization. Yeah, it feels like all sides win here. He's going to be 30 years old. Like you said, four-time Pro Bowl, are still one of the best cornerbacks in the NFL. Their secondary sort of fell apart down the stretch when he was injured.

And it still seems to me like this was all about making sure he gets as much or more than Kareem Jackson gets this year. That's a great point. And it's doing right by a guy who's been one of the better bargains in the league for a while. It's a couple times lately that a team just decided to do right by a guy. They didn't have to. The Patriots Edelman, this with Harris. You don't want that employee coming in who's really not as good as you making more money.

It can cause a lot of problems. I mean, like not every cornerback is the same. so him turning 30 is different than some others turning 30 where they're about to fall off a cliff. But I don't have a problem with Elway doing this in assessing a year from now if they want to get into the Free Agent Derby to keep them around post-30.

This is very much a win-now defense in Denver and that secondary group with Karim Jackson, who's 31 and Harris is turning 30. You've got to make hey, this is a big year, a big year for your team, Wes. It's not my team. I was just thinking, that, like, you called it a win now defense.

I think most people would consider this a win-never offense. I don't know. That's your guy, Joe Flacco. I mean, Joe Flacko. Most people, I believe in Joe Flacco. But it is like a-Lago Flacco, we'll find out. It is sort of 50-50 to me whether this offense is any good. If the Colts and Broncos play, who are you going to root for?

Those are clearly the two West teams in 2000. The Broncos are not one of my teams. I don't know. We're a little bit less. It's more a, it's more a, and Wes is right. What he's saying is truthful. He's invested in Joe Flacco being successful this year and that we could misconstrue that is saying he's a Broncos fan.

But what all West needs is for Joe Flacco to be top 15 quarterback and he's the winner. He doesn't need the Broncos to win 10 games. I like how you boiled this down to winning and losing on my end because this might come back. Their season's mostly about you at this point. The Denver populace doesn't know this. Let's move on to the Los Angeles Rams.

and Todd Gurley, it's a topic of intrigue in the NFL, Gurley dealing with a knee condition that disconcertingly could be a long-term issue, not something that he could just show up in camp and be back to old Todd Gurley. So we'll see how it all plays out. For now, the Rams have a quote, according to ESPN, specific individualized offseason plan for Gurley, and it does not include the star running back appearing in any team drills at OTAs. here's what Sean McVeigh had to say that was what we felt like

was the best for Todd when Todd and I sat down and it's been really good so far and we feel good about it Mark, do you read into this at all? I don't know why they'd have them out there doing much more than nothing because I think

there is something going on with Todd Gurley that they have been a little strange about from the start. It's on my radar. I really think that the drafting of Daryl Henderson, who I think is a role player for them, but someone that Les Sneed said gave the Rams an Alvin-Kamara skill set that they wanted to use, that he could have a big role. I think it's just they've been kind of telling us whether we want to hear it or not for a long time that Todd Gurley is not going to necessarily go get

350 carries that they are trying to elongate his career and keep him as healthy as possible. So why would you be putting them out there in late May to do anything right now? The last three seasons for Gurley. He's age 22 through age 24 seasons. He's ranged between 256 and 259 carries. He's also had between 40 and 60 catches as well. So this guy has been a touch monster for them around, you know, probably averages around 300 touches a year in his career. I'm going to set the over under right here for you, Greg Rosenthal, for Todd Gurley touches in 2019 at 237 and a half. I was assuming I would go under with any number you gave me But that's I'm going way over That's a pretty low number He has averaged in the last three years Over 320 touches per year

So that is a big drop off That's this year is a lot different than last year though Yep With what we're hearing I don't know I might go under Set it low Here's the thing I heard Steve Weish talking about this And the Rams are saying

This was the plan going into the off season and we have a, you know, a load management type of plan, like in the NBA and it's all this stuff. No, it's significant to me. I think it's quite significant. And I'm not, it's not an alarm bell, but Sequin Barclay and Ezekiel Elliott and Christian McCaffrey and Derek Henry and Frank Gore and Lamarman. Like, none of these other guys have these sort of plan. You know, they're not sitting out of OTAs because people think that there's value to OTAs. I think it's everything we don't know about Todd Gurley's.

It's eye opening, I agree with you. Let's move on. to news involving West. Speaking of your love of Cincinnati, their football team is the Bengals. And head coach Marvin Lewis spent years and years and years and years there. Well, Marvin Lewis is an idiot. He toiled.

He toiled in Cincinnati forever. Finally parted ways with the team and was unattached for a while. But now that is no longer the case. He has joined the Arizona State football staff led by head coach Herm Edwards, Herm Edwards and Marvin Lewis together. And I have a statement from Herm that I'd like to read. Can we, some missive music, please, Ricky Hollywood, if you have it.

Marvin Lewis is one of the most respected minds in our game, whether as the winningest coach in the franchise history of the Cincinnati Bengals or the architect of one of the greatest defenses in NFL history, the 2000 Baltimore Ravens. Marvin has succeeded everywhere he has been, has done it the right way. His passion for teaching will be an incredible benefit, not only for our coaches,

but also for the young men we are responsible for as students and athletes. Wes, will there be, we talked about a reckoning on the last show, Greg, sublime somehow getting a reckoning 20 years later. Will there be a reckoning years down the line where people will appreciate Marvin Lewis a little bit more in Cincinnati than we do now where he's seen as a guy that hung around too long and never won? I would guess not because people are married to their illusions and their narratives

and the narratives are that Marvin Lewis stayed around too long and wasn't that great of a coach I maintain when you look at the history of what coaches have done under Mike Brown Marvin Lewis is in a tier of his own and he is way better than anybody Mike Brown's been able to get to coach that football team like the we've talked about it in the pod

when they interviewed former Cincinnati player Salman Wilcox former NFL network personality for the pain rankings, Marvin Lewis raised the Titanic. Absolutely. I think also with the Bengals, when he went to Cincinnati, they were operating almost unlike any other team in the dark ages

when it came to the draft. And you look at some of their draft classes in the way that they built a lot of those teams from inside out. That's where you'd want to appreciate him. But what is sports? You have to show winning seasons, championship seasons. He does not need to be over-credit. for what they achieved in January, which was nothing.

And he wants to stay in football, clearly. I mean, that's an interesting combination there, Herman and Marvin Lewis. I just checked. Marvin, Herm Edwards, 7 and 6. Second place in his division in the Pac-12 South last year. But they were 7 and 6 the year before. Marvin will serve as a special advisor. Finally in the news, Mark, you sent this in our instant message client two days in a row

as a news topic, so I'm going to give it to you here. I'm going to throw it to you. up here. Madden NFL 20, the venerable franchise for NFL football on your home console, the video game. Weird setup. They added a play that all teams can use. It's called the Philly Special. And the play, according to EA Sports's Anthony White, who confirmed this on the Eagle Eye in the Sky podcast last week. The play is listed under the pistol formation, but the set is called Philly. When you look at the play, it says Philly Special and then fake Philly Special.

And as Nick Tony, who writes for NFL.com added, 67 fans signed a change. They got all 67 of them. To make sure Philly Special made its way into Madden 20. I would imagine, Mark, you were responsible for 30 to 70, 67. seven of those signatures. Congratulations. You know, I saw, because this has been obviously bubbling up

in not only my timeline, but yours, Dan, and I saw the little, and you can go visit Dan's replies and mentions if you want to find it. The little swat you took this morning, you know what I felt? Nothing. What was the swat?

I want to hear. I don't even know. It was that it's essentially nothing more than an option for like any sort of two-point conversion play was your argument. It's so basic that it's in a playbook now. That's fine. We also were asked by the Associated Press

to rank. the top 50 plays of all time and while the helmet catch that the three of you were so enamored by was in there, I found it interesting that there was a second helmet catch to pick from as well among the crop of top plays so also unoriginal but I

this time around... Doesn't everybody run the Philly Special? What's the other helmet catch? Antonio Brown? I didn't know that one. I didn't either. I didn't make one. I mean I know it didn't make my top 50 but you don't even think about that, yeah. Point being, I mean, almost nothing in football is

that original. Let's start there. And I feel nothing at this point by your slings and arrows. I don't really, it doesn't, it has no meaning to me. For listeners, the newer listeners show, Mark lost a sandwich prop, the Super Bowl. Well, I just didn't win it. He said in the Super Bowl 52 preview show that there would be a play that would become the most famous play in NFL Super Bowl history. And Mark is sticking to his guns that Philly Special is the most important, famous play in the history of Super Bowl. I am sticking. Just think how ridiculous that sounds.

Just me even setting it up. Well, it doesn't sound ridiculous to many people. It simply isn't what you believe and you're the host so you can pound your little message home as much as you want. I think it's you and Eagles fans. It's easily the most influential second quarter play in a game that was going to have four more lead changes. Well, you got your little bit in two, and that's fine.

West, whenever you're, whenever you want to roll on in with your David Tyree scenario. Well, 67 people for the, it's, you ask for this one. I don't care about the 67 people. That is a weak statistic. Sounds more like a roundup than a petition. That's pretty weak. That's not the, that's not what I would be leaning on as my argument that 67 people signed a petition. I got to go introduce myself.

That's sad. I mean, that's pathetic. That's a sad little petition. Or, or how about this? If you're mad and I'd have no, I think it's good. They put it in the, in the game. Why not have more? fun. Are you swayed to change the foundation of your programming by 67 people? I find that

interesting because we could get 67 people to get anything into that game apparently. Apparently. That's fair. That's fair. A Bengals team dressed in pink. Might be an upgrade. Let's do that. That's what's happening in the news. Okay, let's get into it. Greg got up early for the French Open. I mean, to me it seems crazy. But listen, I'm not a tennis fan. Maybe if it was, like the Yankees are playing in London against the Red Sox in July. Maybe that game's early. I don't know.

I would get up for that. So I don't really check. Yeah, and there's only a couple of these grand slams a year. Well, there's four, but a couple really in our wheelhouse of the off season. And your wife is pushing. Your wife, Emeka, a great woman. Good to spend time with her a couple weeks ago at the West, Lakeisha Napshawls. She's pushing hard for you guys to be back east.

What about the idea of you would not have to be waking up before the sunrise if you living in New York like your wife wants. Yeah, for the most part, sports schedules are much better, I would say, on the West Coast. Or travel further east and go to France. But when it comes... I agree with you.

When it comes to tennis, I would say, it's a little worse overall. Although you get a little edge with the Aussie open. I mean, tennis, it's everywhere. That's true. Counterargument, your children become sports fans, which they already are, and they're up till one in the morning

watching Monday Night Football on the East Coast. Oh, yeah. It's much better for football, yeah. It was a huge boon for football. for an East Coaster to come to the West Coast. Like I love, we're talking about baseball. A lot of the games start at 4 p.m. That is beautiful.

I love it. By the time my wife is home, she doesn't have to. When we lived in New York, she got totally, she got banged and not in a good way. She would have to sit there and watch the Yankees. Now, when she's home from work, the Yankees are done. They're wrapping up. Chapman's on the mound. It's a good situation for you and Emma.

For us, Sunday night football. So you're saying now that now that she gets banged, I mean, it's a much more positive scenario now. This is the family podcast, Greg. You said it. I used to love when I was younger, like pulling down a West Coast Vin-Skulley game or like a UCLA basketball game back when the O'Bannon brothers are playing. Dan Sweating.

That was fun because you could stay up late and you could watch it. You feel like you're getting away with something. Or like March Madness where they'd click over to the West Coast games late. I missed the East Coast side of it, but not as a parent, not as all that stuff. Also with technology, you can watch a game the next day on your own time, whatever. As Damashik once said in a different situation, when we would go to a Dodger Stadium game, a day game, you're cheat in life when you're watching daytime sports sometimes.

Okay, that's what's happening news. Oh, no, I already did that. Now we're talking about what you're getting up early for. Oh, yeah, we started that. Yeah, we started that. That's how that whole thing started. So what are we getting up early for figuratively? for the NFL.

And Greg, this is a great segment idea that you came up with. So I want you to start it, get the group going here. Sure. When I thought about this, the first name that came to mind. Greg has the French open. No, I just checked it quickly.

He's watching it. Now, the Yankees are playing right now. It's in the background. It's in the background. We've had sports up there. Relax. What was the first name to come to my mind? It was Lamar Jackson.

And then I went through all the teams and all, and Mark's getting a scowl on his face. No, no, no. I can see it. He's still thinking about the Philly Specials. And I tried to actually go through all the teams and what else would it be? Is like that the first answer, not the right one? But he really is the thing I'm most excited about is watching that offense. He made a little bit of news this week by saying he didn't know they were installing an entirely new offense under Greg Roman until he showed up for OTAs, which is curious.

in general. I don't know what to make of it, but it's curious. Maybe it's because the offense isn't going to be that much different. Greg Roman was very involved, but when Greg Roman was running the 49ers, I was so excited for that Colin Kaepernick, the first season where he took over, and then the first full season he had as a starter. And now it's six years later, and the rest of the NFL is doing something totally different with spread offenses.

But the Ravens have this vision of how they're going to run offense. It's going to have a lot of tight ends, It's going to have a lot of running. I think Lamar Jackson's going to be underrated as a passer. And just on a week-to-week basis, I am so excited to just see that. Like, that is what's got my juices flowing more than anything else for the 2019 season. You're invested in Lamar Jackson.

I've sensed that since he took the job. I think it's just fun to see when teams are zinging when the rest of the league is zagging. And I love running quarterbacks. I've always, like, wanted, like, the running quarterback concept. to work on a more consistent level. Like, I love watching Cam Newton. Cam Newton's been one of my favorite, you know, players to come into the league, certainly.

And that's worked on, you know, a certain level, and parts of it's been fun. But I think the Ravens are doing it with a commitment that we haven't seen. I can't really think of a team that's been as different as I think the Ravens will be with Lamar Jackson. And Greg Roman's got some skins on the wall.

Your old buddy, Mark Sessler, some proof that he can maybe do it and think outside the bottom. Not my buddy. Some peltz. Anymore. Notice you didn't mention the last year or two he had in San Francisco. No.

Then it went horribly. And maybe this, I don't know if this is going to have staying power. I don't know. There's no way to really know. But I think the NFL is changing and there's room for different ideas. And they're a team that loves having tight ends on the field anyways. And they're going to do that. They're going to run.

I thought they were fun to watch at the end of last season. All right. So that's what Greg's getting up early for. Wes, what are you getting up early for? Well, when I thought about this, there was a first place. and then a distant, distant second place and everyone after. I'm getting up early for Baker and Mayfield to O'Dell. That was my number two.

Baker to O'Dell, and you can throw in Chubb and the rest of that offense. To me, I want to see what similarities are there to the 2007 Patriots with the spacing that O'Dell Beckham's going to provide the downfield threat. Jarvis Landry may be in the West Welker rule. Chub is a better running back than anybody on the 2007 Patriots, Antonio Calloway and the Dante Stallworth rule. Wow. I'm excited about this offense.

Comparing him to one of the best offenses of the last 20 years. I could be totally wrong. It's just a vision I have. I don't think that you're, I think there's, why would you be wrong other than the fact that I don't know what the 2000 Patriots did up front on their line, but you know they were well coached as they always are. And Cleveland, to me, has question marks. And we've mentioned this every time with the Browns, left tackle, right tackle.

And frankly, you're going to be starting a second year player that barely played last year in the interior line too so that all needs to work out or what like you can't have baker mayfield running for his life back there i mean they the way they coached a pretty questionable line last year at the tackle spot is encouraging they were pretty good do that twice they were their line was fine last year it didn't really get in their way post hugh jackson right post hugh jackson it was he was he was one of the least sack quarterbacks in the league when freddie kitchens was calling i mean that was my other that would have been my second option i just figured in this room i mean who how could you not be excited about Baker you're bringing up the 2007 Patriots which to me there are

other offenses that I think have even surpassed them now with yardage there was a couple other the Broncos in 2000 right but that but I'm saying 13 but I think that's the gold standard and I and I think the only thing I would say to that is Tom Brady was the greatest quarterback ever at the peak of his powers that season could Baker make but heading into that season he had never even throw him for 30 touchdowns, much less 50. Right, but I'm just saying the idea Mayfield would have to take a pretty huge leap to be Tom Brady.

I mean, I think if you take the Baker and Mayfield of November and December, he could easily throw for 40 plus touchdowns this year. We love quarterbacks ultimately, and like, to me, Mayfield's the most exciting quarterback to come into the league. I don't know, since I've been covering it.

I mean, luck is up there, but just in terms of my hopes of what his career might be like, I don't know. There's no one else I can think of sparked that much excitement, or at least in my mind, going into the second year. The big part of sports. It's one of the reasons why Farve remains my favorite quarterback to watch of all time, because he was the most fun.

Mark, how about you? What are you getting up for besides the Browns? Can I give you an A and a B? Because I like a little, I like chaos more than I can't wait to watch this three technique, you know, battle wits against a guard. So two things. And it's actually, to counter, Greg, you would think I would never. Out there with an abacus in a chessboard.

There's some brawn involved, I believe. You would never think I'd go Ravens. But I think that we may get in this newfangled offense. And I do think that you've got the right coordinator there to do it all. Taysome Hill, part two, potentially, with Trace McSorley. Because they've already come out on record, John Harbaugh multiple. That's what gets you up in the morning. Well, just because, no, because I have actually a, B, and C, because part B,

would be the Cardinals' offense because it's new. And we've already dug into that a hundred times. But the idea that they have this guy that they're going to use all over the place in an offense that I think will be very unpredictable with the Ravens to begin with. And they didn't draft him to be a non-quarterback. They said they're going to use them all over the place

as a quarterback too. I like that kind of player. Taysam Hill is one of the most intriguing guys out there last year to me. I think that's fair. I wonder if Trace McSurley's going to make the team. Is he a seven-round draft pick or a six-round draft pick? I think he will make the team. I'm banking on that, or my point has zero.

I'm behind it. My third thing. How about what Taysam Hill does for a second time around the league? Well, that's right up there, too. My third thing is which desperate team just before the deadline trades a second round pick for Colts backup Jacobi Brissette? It's going to happen. You think they're getting a second.

Yes, I think Ultra Chaos is going to unfurl for two or three teams, and there's going to be a bidding war for Jacoby Brisset. Wait and see. I like this. Book it. Because if chaos does happen, then you could, the Colts will hold the team over a barrel and get that second. Mark's been in the take game a long time. You don't want to be the last person to the take.

Anyone shows up on McSorley Corner, Brissette Fever? Mark's like, I'm already there. I'm already there. The corner is crowded, pick a new corner. The Brissette one's actually, because Brissette, you would think like that peak corner was a couple years ago. You're getting back in when everybody kind of moved on from Brissette. I like to Kobe Bresset. You've come out on the other side of taking you.

corner and you're back on first take well i don't know if i was there to begin with but i'm i am there late but i'm the only one there now which is second rounder you think i know that sounds insane but if you if it's also a team that is sort of shifting in the wind with the which what i would imagine be an injured quarterback or two in front of them that may not be the future that's not a crazy thing to give up if the per if it'd have to be like a viking's team that's like five and two or something like that you know and lose his cousin right or at the end of the year. Right.

And he was one of the most sacked quarterbacks in the NFL when he played. That's all in the past. The future is bright. What gets me up in the morning is kickers. You know that. Everyone knows. You know. It's true.

It's all I care about. So I decided to take a spin around the league just to see some of the good, like, solid kicker battles. And, like, Wes is, oh, the 2019 Browns are going to be the 2007 Patriots. That's fine. I'm more interested in the 2019 Browns kicker battle. Let's start there. Where Greg Joseph, you know, Mark, you know, up and down last year. To be kind.

Yes, to be kind. And he got Austin Seabird in there as well. And Mike Pryper, who's the new special teams coordinator, he likes both options. And he had this to say they're getting better as well. It's a work in progress, but they are both very strong, very talented. I'm excited where they're at. and it's a fluid competition in Cleveland spinning on to the Giants

where Aldrich Rosas Rosas One of the best kickers in the league And you would think Oh, he's got it done Pro Football Focus Had him as the best kicker in the league I think he was second to 12 pro last year

He is only the fourth Giants kicker ever To make the Pro Bowl Well why is Joey Sly in the building Camp leg Camp leg perhaps But Rosas Joey Sly Joey Sly. That sounds like a name you made up.

He kicked for V-TEC from 2014 through 17. That probably sounds like a damn name. V-TEC. Hey, Joey Sly. And, yeah, V-Tag, Sly, he was very good, actually. He was a four-year starter, All-Atlantic Coast Conference at ACCC selection. Semi-Finalist for the Lou Groza Award, which is presented, of course. I mean, you to the top kick.

How about you win the award? I'm not really impressed with your semi-finalist. Are there also finalists, or does that mean he's like in the final three? He didn't even make a finalist also means you didn't win, by the way. Well, he was in the conversation. Okay. Anyway. So, Joey Sly, he was signed after a tryout this month, and he's a long shot because Rosas really had a nice year.

But he also struggled, Aldrich did. I'm just going to call him Alrick mightily in 2017. So I think the Giants are hedging their bets. They're going to bring in Joey Sly. And if he kicks well on the sun, summer they'll either give them a practice squad designation or say hey don't lose our number we're going to see how audrick looks spinning forward to chicago we know where we're going on here what's going on here chris blewitt can't believe that's his name elliott fry and eddie piniero all in the mix

and um safety's coach of the bear as sean to say doesn't think he's ever seen that many kickers under one roof when i coached in college we might have had that many on our roster when you have 150 guys and this was interesting that's kind of a shot that's the most high profile one, for sure. For the bear's first OTA practice. Use one of them like Trace McSorley if you need to. The co-posts looked a little different. They had a second set of uprights built within the standard uprights, narrowing the target

space. Pinheiro is the only guy with real kicking experience in the NFL, missed the narrow uprights on a second and final attempt with a field field. Maybe give it more than two attempts. So that's a situation. Moving on to San Francisco, we have an interesting situation going on with Robbie Gold, who is one of the more accurate kickers of the last 10, 12 years in the NFL

and he's unhappy, though. The Niners slapped him with the franchise tag and he wants out. He wants a trade. Well, guess what? Yeah, boy, Mark Sessler. Kyle Shanahan says, we're not going to trade him,

and we also know this is his last year here. So the writing's on the wall. Meanwhile, and this should be interesting to you, Jonathan Brown, they brought him on the roster. So he's kicking, maybe a camp leg, maybe in case of emergency situation, if gold retires, does something. Gold puts his house on the market in Chicago.

Now, why is that important to know? The bears and gold have a rich history together. The history is very rich here. And gold has made no secret about wanting to get back to Chicago. And we know the bears, we just talked about, have a very difficult situation cooking right now with their kicking game. It would be a match made in heaven, but it's not going to happen. Meanwhile, gold, yes, he puts his house on the market,

So, oh, he's given up on his bare dreams? No, he's building a new home in the Chicago area. It's true. Your move, shooting. Wait, where's the Jonathan Brown part we're interested in? That he's in the building. Just keep that in mind. That's just something to keep in the back of your mind.

This is not just gold alone on the roster. So he might be on San Francisco right now, Robbie, but guess what? He's building a house in Chicago. That's where he'll be kicking in 2020 at the latest. A couple ones, a couple more real quick. Oh, keep going. Vikings have just hired Nate Cating as their part-time consultant, Tom Pelliserra reported. Now, Nate Cating, why is that name ringing a bell?

Nate Cating had a nice career in the NFL, kicked about 10, 12 years, mostly at the Chargers. For a while was the most accurate kicker in history. Yes, he retired with a good point, Wes. He retired it with an 82.4% career percentage. But he missed that kick against the Jets. He missed three kicks. Yeah, but those who can't do, they teach. That's true for every kicker but Venetaria.

They end up missing kicks that ruined their career. In the 2009, AFC divisional playoffs against the Jets, Cating missed three field goals, including 37 and 40. He also missed one against the Jets as a rookie in 2004 that cost the San Diego Chargers. So he had some down moments, but he's in the building. And remember, entering his sixth season, Mike Zimmer, is on his fourth kicker. Dan Bailey currently in the building, but Bailey's kind of shot. This is turning into performance art.

He replaced Daniel Carlson, who replaced the first. Of course, Kai Forbeth, Kai's Kai, who replaced Blair Walsh. And we remember what happened with Blair Walsh against the Seattle Seahawks in the playoffs, that fateful cold day. Finally, my favorite kicker battle to track. And a lot of people are saying Chicago, what I'm all about right now is what's going on with the Bucks right now. Cairo Santos. He's the incumbent. And he brought some stability to the Tampa Bay roster, which was reeling.

from the Robbie Aguai, who busts the second round a couple of years back. Well, guess what? The Bucks didn't get scared. They said, we're going to go back to the draft well. We're going to use a fifth round pick on Matt Gay. And this is a big kid. Seabas out of the league.

That guy was built like a linebacker. Well, take a look at the figure on Matt Gay. He's got a big leg, and this is, he is obviously the favorite here. Jason Light, the Bucks General Manager. He's a big guy with a big leg, but he's also accurate. He kicks in Utah, but he's. He's also good at sea level. Chris Paul Neal, remember him from Dallas.

Yes. My history in coaching when I was in Dallas, it's always been to go get a free agent and let's make the best of it with the most competitive guys you can get. So yes, Gay is in the lead. Vote gay, you would think, if you had to make a pick,

who's going to be the kicker, but keep an eye on Cairo Santos, who doesn't leave the league easily. That is what I get up in the morning for. I'd say this, your extremely dense update won me over with the late, music. The music was nice.

I have a follow-up question on your sermon there. What exactly are you getting up to watch? The narrow uprights kicking, them actually kicking in week one. Like, which part of it are you getting up to? Reading the reports. The drama, the battle. The lead up with the, you know, OTAs and then minicamp. So you want to be a fly on the wall in OTAs, in training camp practices.

I want to be a fly on one of the narrow uprights. I just want to see it all. I just want to watch the world burn. Fair enough. A fly on one of the narrow uprights. What advantage point. Right. Get up really high and Greg Joseph will not hit you

because he's the one kicker in the league that's trying to revolutionize the sport with only line drive kick. Oh, I know. I've never seen... I've never seen the thing. He's going to the low angle. Well, not with Austin Sebert there.

He's going to come in there and correct the way that you think. Mike Pryfer likes the battle. All right. Oh, we have an ad read. Let's move on. So there you go. That's what we get up in the morning for. Omaha Steaks.

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And dad is thrust into a 13 or 14-hour parenting scenario. Well, now it's Father's Day. What's going to happen? It's going to get real. Where you going? Well, what about your own? Like, likely nowhere. What about Barbara?

Well, it's different when it's your mother. I wish only rest and relaxation for her on any day. That's fair. All right. Let's get into the mailbag. We asked for questions. You gave them. You gave us some great topics to chew on.

Wes, we'll start. The wedding now, it was almost two weeks ago. Well, not a week and a half ago. And people are asking Cody Winters, Lego Bucks fan, who caught the Paramore's bouquet? There was no throwing. no bouquet there was no garter belt stuff we didn't do all the traditional wedding thing oh yeah you skipped the cake thing nice move oh yeah you didn't do the cake

no we had cupcakes in like a sweet station right i know i didn't think that's the first wedding that didn't involve the cutting of the cake and the putting it in each other's face and well look i don't need any of that stuff and if lakisha says she doesn't need it that's music to my good it's like at that point in the wedding you're ready to just start letting let's have let's have let's stop the pop and circumstance exactly My responsibilities are over for the night. And the tossing the bouquet thing, which I like it because it's sort of a wild card scenario. It's a pressure cooker, I think, for the collection of women trying to catch the bouquet.

They're out there because you haven't figured anything out on the romantic front, and now you've got to win in this athletic event. It's like a combination of some sweat, a little bit of desperation, and then, you know, some fun as well. But it's also... That's a joy blast, but... I think it's meant for people in their 20s. And like Lakeisha's, you know, late 30s, I'm in my 40s. There's less of a, there's not as many people left to catch the bouquet.

That's fair as well. All right, let's move on. Poop Stokes says, has this to ask, how come Doug Peterson gets no love as a head coach? Won the Super Bowl with a backup along with a playoff game the following year. There's an argument he's better than NFL glory boy, Sean McVeigh. I think Doug Peterson gets a ton of credit. I never understood these, why doesn't get,

Why doesn't he get any love things? Because I've heard nothing but love for Doug Peterson for like two and a half years now. He wrote a memoir. Well, anybody wrote a memoir. Well, I'm just saying, like he's coming from. The Eagles fans were upset. There were some ranking because I remembered in my mentions

where McVeigh was second and Peterson wasn't in the top five or something. I think it gets a little bit over a lot. I think he got hurt because, namely, had Frank Wright not taking the cult's job and Josh McDaniels had, we would still be puzzling over who was doing what with the Colts or with the Eagles. And Frank Reich did not help Doug Peterson at all by going to Indianapolis and totally transforming that team. It's a fair point.

It'll change quickly if Carson Wentz is half as good as like the OTA reports, which is like, he's lighting up the skies. Is that how they say it? To your point, to Reich, Reich obviously went to India and had a great year. But Peterson, they had, they won, or they got a playoff spot and they won a playoff game. So Peterson didn't come off terribly. But that's why I don't think he's, and I don't think anyone's like thinking, Oh, he's actually the 20th best coach.

He would be in my top five. Yeah. He's on the right side of the, what did we decide was the... I call it the Garrett scale, but people weren't in agreement. Oh, because Garrett is quite obviously below the average, the median. I find him to be the prime radium, but I was curious. That could work. The Garrett scale?

I mean, Marvin Lewis. It was Marvin Lewis. It's everything Bengals fits right in the middle. Richard at Not That Hunter asks, I'm a fan without a team, having abandoned the team. that left San Diego, not being the Chargers. I'm thinking of becoming a Packers fan. Can I make the change before Rogers retires

without being a bandwagoner? Interesting. Yes, I think the fact that the Chargers left you, you can do whatever you want. And who knows, if you get sick of the Packers after a few years, jump around. I don't know. There's no rules for you now.

I think it's twofold. You cannot be killed for picking a new team when what happened with the Chargers happened. Totally cool with that. you cannot jump on the Packers and not absorb people calling you a bandwagon. You just got to own it. You got to explain why. That's where your heart's leading you, though?

That's fine, though. You're jumping on into a nice scenario. It's most rewarding when it's organic. You can't just say, oh, I like watching Rogers. It has to be like during the season, you just find yourself pulling for this team and then over and over. That keeps happening. Like Wes and the Broncos. let's like get me to my honeymoon

get me out of the studio moving on Justin Frick asks what take did you have that crushed you the most when it turned out to be wrong I mean no shortage of options here for any of us here in the studio we've done like 900 episodes

so Mark will start with you there's a lot Honorable mention, anything I ever said about Colt Lairle, the tight end who came and went very quickly, who I was convinced was Gronk Part 2. I remember lighting up... Did they have legal issues? Yes, as did, I believe, the next person I'm about to mention,

although maybe to a lesser degree, when the Browns did not, after all the players were cut in training camp, signed Duran Carter to become their number one wide receiver. And I spent... You're upset. large parts of Sunday into Monday texting the three of you super annoyed at Ray Farmer and the Browns. That's a low moment. Perhaps he knew what he was doing, Ray Farmer back then, briefly.

Anything else? Those are your two? I think the fact that I wrote a letter to Zach Mettenberger did not come out too well. I thought you were maybe going to go with maybe the most famous making the leap of them all, Toby Gerhardt. Well, I mean, anything with making the leap was suspicious. But, I mean, I started writing every Brown's quarterback since we've been doing the show. I mean, there's no end to, I thought Eric Manjini was Bill Belichick Part 2 during part of later stages of 2009. Who knows?

Brown's Draft Day, that movie, review? You know what? I hate to shatter because I still get 20 of these mentions a week. It's not even in my top 200 movies. Not even close. You're out of your mind. Yeah, I am. Haven't I proved that already?

Well, 20 mentions a week on Draft Day, wow. Well, when our friend Connor Orr did a breakout special on Draft Day a couple weeks ago. Right. For S.I.com, yes. Yes. Just it's like I'm logging off Twitter for the week. I'm sure he did a great job with it, but I got pulled into it. It was full of hard from start to finish, they say.

They do. Wes. There are many different ways for human beings to be wrong, and I feel like I've run the gamut on all of them. But have you ever heard the Jackie Robinson story about Loudrong? No. So, 1947, he is a rookie. And there's also a pitcher on the Brooklyn Dodgers named Dan Bankhead, who was a Negro League veteran.

So there were two black guys on the 47 Dodgers, and they were in the clubhouse arguing, and Don Bankhead turns, Don Bankhead's in his 30s at the time. He turns to like a 22-year-old Jackie Robinson and says, Jack, not only are you loud, you're loud. Not only are you wrong, you're loud wrong. And I was that for Nick Fools. That one I don't regret because good for him. He went on to have a great career.

He proved me wrong. Byron Leftwich, that's the one I was loud wrong on the longest. I thought he was going to be a great quarterback. And one of my friends from Cincinnati reminded me last week at the wedding about going on about Byron Leftwich for years and years and years and just being totally wrong. There was a lot to like with Byron Lefich. I think I learned something from him. Like, I don't think I knew enough about football at the time

to know that you can't take a long wind up before you throw the ball. Yeah. I'll stick with quarterback Tom Brady. Gradual decline. I stand by the logic, even looking back now. It was before... This was going into the 2018 season?

This was going into... What was their previous Super Bowl before this one? 2016. The winner. Coming out of 2016 after the Falcons one? They've been in three in a row. Oh, 2016. Yeah, sorry.

Yeah. So he was entering his, I believe, age 39 season and we had never seen Warren Moon had was functional I believe around that age but I felt that this would be the year or that would be the year that he fell off and I think he started very slowly that year and it wasn't looking too terribly but he came on like a banshee I think he might have won MVP I think he I mean he's been doing lots of things he ended up performing very well that year won the Super Bowl and I think he's been to two more since so I think I got that wasn't wrong.

Now, he is now in gradual decline and anyone who disagrees is just they got the blinders on because, you know, they are Patriots fans and they can't say reality. But I was easily two years ahead of that in a bad way. But you realize it's just because he's getting old. You're like, oh, I can see it. It's like you're just fighting time. It's not like you are seeing this player going down. Right.

I was spanking on the history more than his play. I think it came in second for the MVP that year. won it the next year. Right. So, yeah, they've made three straight Super Bowl since then. It seems like it's a bit of an exhausting hill to stand on where you're sort of slow in slow motion rooting for the demise of someone who keeps hitting mountaintop moments over and over.

It will end, though. It will end. This year. It has to end. It's over now. We said that for five years. This is it. When I, you know, we saw this question ahead of time.

The takes that hurt me the most were when I was doing. fantasy football. Those would keep me up at night when I really was on a hill for someone. You really nailed Antonio Bryant. It would be wrong. One that stands out is Lamont Jordan. I think I ranked him like fifth going into the season and he was very generic and that pained me. Ronnie Brown multiple times pained me. Tatum Bell was one I remember. You know, it's like, oh, Tadem Bell, he's going to have to beat Quentin. That'll be easy. He's going to be the next Broncos And then it's like when you get those wrong, there wasn't even Twitter at that point, but you would just get 50 to 100 emails of the people that were upset.

So much more personal. Right. It's just like so many emails. And especially when it was like a player that I legitimately really liked, like Lamont Jordan and Ronnie Brown. It like double hurt. Kevin Barlow was one for me. Oh, yeah. Two more questions.

Michael Healy at Michael J. Healy. Mark, this is actually directed at you. but I'm curious what other people think. Who is your favorite spice girl? Who is your favorite? Because we did discuss this a little downstairs. And I think that the 20-something-year-old me was all about baby spice.

The 30-something-year-old me was way into sporty spice. But the me of today, and there's no one even close, scary spice, Mel B. I think she'd just be fun. She's got some skeletons in the closet. She's not going to judge you. She's just going to have a nice, you can have a good old time.

She's been number one on the list for me the whole time. That is, really, Wes. Oh, yeah, Mel B. Come on. I get it. Makes sense. By the way, I've never heard anyone pound the table for Sporty Spice. Yeah.

That's a first. I think that's maybe the appeal is that it's not the one everyone's always going on about. It's like, yeah, I was definitely cliche ginger. I love the Jerry Hallowell. That's cliche? Well, I would have thought, I would have been, uh, Victoria Beckham. What was? Posh.

Posh. Pash. Really? Huh. At the time. I don't find posh to be attractive. I mean. David Beckham does.

You're digging too deep here. Finally. Last question. Oh, by the way, Vulture, which is the New York Magazine culture blog, just ranked every Spice Girl song.

Every song? Every song. Feels like a tiresome chore. I'll like two of them. W wannabe was number one. Where it deserves to be? Got it right. How long does it?

The list is the only one that anyone knows. Maybe get more sleep that we can step. There's like five or six decent ones. There's only 38 Spice Girl songs. How about that? Still feels like a long assignment. Catalogs only that. Yeah.

Who would have thunk it? You know, burn bright, but brief. Finally, this one from our old friend, Tristan at Reject underscore CKY. What's the latest on the Delaware saga? Are your children still suffering at the hands of a merciless? Greg Rosenthal, who's children ever be happy again? Release the tapes.

Help thanks. I'm so hungry. We need you help. We need this. Come on, Greg. We are in the future. Will you be my dad? Of course, Greg Delaware.

Who asked, will you be my dad? I think that it would be Jack, I believe. I think so. Of course, Delaware is your high school band and a listener of the show throughout the option because Greg does not want to bring the tapes in. He doesn't want us to hear him singing what was like kind of prog rock. Was that the best way to put?

I mean, it was essentially nothing. It was like, it was nothing. Okay. Well, it was something. It was, I don't know. And after years, we got you finally to acknowledge that you actually have tapes in your possession. The original story is that they were lost to the sands of time.

Maybe somebody else in the band had them. Now you're telling us that you have them and you don't want to share them, which is your right. I don't know that for sure. And I think it would be one tape, but yes. And it's your right not to play the tapes on our show. But then a listener threw it out there. Hey, what if we raised money for a charity

of Greg's choosing in exchange for the tapes which put Greg in a bit of a morality tough spot. Why don't we just raise money for the... An ethical corner. You know, the definition of charity is you're doing something

without expecting something back. So that's what the kids are asking of you. Just do it. But that would be great. And if the world was just charities for nothing else but charity and there's no strings attached, that'd be great,

but that's not what's being laid out. There'd never be a nice bucket challenge. Right. What is that supposed to mean? I mean, you had to come up with an ulterior motive to do charity. So anything, any movement on that front? I mean, there hasn't been any movement now. All right.

We'll check in. Good question, Tristan. All right. That's it for today's show. We got three shows next week. But Jack, if you do need a new dad, like, you know, we need an extra bedroom, but come on over. He just shows up at your door. Little suitcase.

With a pindle stick? Yeah. All right. Yeah, we'll be back with three shows next week. Wes, you will be out of town on your honeymoon. I will be on a beach somewhere. Well deserve. South of the border.

Beautiful. But we will have some guests sitting in the West chair, starting with old friend Lindsay Rhodes. It's been a while since we had Lindsay here in the studio, so we're very excited. And I'm sure there'll be some other surprises along the way. So that's it for today's show. Stan Hans is signing off for Quiet Storm, the mailman, the old boss, and Ricky Hollywood behind the glass.

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