NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - What’s Next For the Eagles, Saints Hire Kellen Moore and Ranking the Best Super Bowl Winners since 2012

Episode Date: February 12, 2025

Gregg Rosenthal is joined by AllPHLY.com writer and PHLY Eagles Podcast host Bo Wulf, who takes us inside the winning locker room of the Super Bowl LIX champion Philadelphia Eagles. They discuss why Nick Sirianni has earned a spot among the NFL’s highest-paid coaches and analyze the key changes that propelled the Eagles to the top. Gregg and Bo dissect how Philly dominated on the biggest stage and dive into which starters are most likely to leave in free agency. The guys share their reactions to Kellen Moore’s hiring as the New Orleans Saints’ next head coach and rank the best Super Bowl winners since 2012!NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's everything you need to understand the why behind what happens on Sunday. Don't miss it. Listen to the Move the Sticks podcast on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to NFL Daily, where we just can't help ourselves. I'm Greg Rosenthal, back in Los Angeles and thrilled to be joined by my friend Boots on the Ground in Philadelphia, the host of the P-H-L-Y Eagles podcast. It's Boe Wolf. You know them and you love them. I hope so. Thanks for having me. I just wanted to have it.

I just felt like we need to finish this circle, Beau. Yeah. We need to close the championship circle. And you've been on the show throughout this Eagles run. And I wasn't done talking about this Eagles team. But then they popped up in the news. We'll talk a little Kellyn Moore. Some stray final thoughts.

I want to hear what the locker rooms was like after the game, everything post game. we're going to do a hastily constructed list of the best Super Bowl winners since the last time the Super Bowl was in New Orleans. I just felt like that's a good cutoff. Okay. That was that Ravens one because leaving that game that night, I'm trying not to be hyperbolic.

Some of the listeners think I'm hyperbolic. I'm thinking, is that like the best Super Bowl team in a decade? So I had to make a list very hastily constructed. You can help me through that. But yeah, let's start with the Eagles. just normally like to the the victory goes to spoils here beau but uh for you the spoils is like a second podcast just hours after you get back from philadelphia when your family is probably angry on you yeah i got i mean i got four hours of sleep last night so i'm feeling pretty good that's

you know that's much better than super bowl night yeah uh yeah walk me through a little bit what what was the post super bowl experience like for you and for the eagles and yes we are going to get to to Kellynne Moore pretty soon. I do want to get to that because it's very Eagles related and it's the biggest news of the day. He will be the Saints head coach. But let's go through the Eagle stuff first. So the postgame locker room itself was was a wild scene. And you really appreciate it, right? Because it's, you look around the room and as they're all, you know, spraying champagne and dancing and they've all got, you know, cigars smokes filled the air. Like my clothes still smell like cigars. You look around the room and everybody has a story, right? Like not just the top of

the roster players like, like A.J. Brown and Jailen Hertz, but like the bottom of the roster players like Isaiah Rogers and Orrin Berks, guys like that. But all the coaches, all the support staff, all the front office people, like every single person in there, like this is what they go to work every day for is a night like this. And their families, you know, it extends, it extends so far beyond that. Like, it is all in service of and in sacrifice for getting to this moment. And so you look around the room and you appreciate it. I can only compare it to the winning Super Bowl locker room after the 2017 Eagles won

it all. And that one was a celebration, but it wasn't quite so boisterous, I would say. It was a little bit more muted. Like Doug Peterson gave a little speech afterwards. Like, there was no speech to be made this time around as the music. music was blaring and C.J. Gardner Johnson's in the middle. Practice squad safety, Andre Sam, I feel like, was the star of the show who was like really all over the place. And then there's like, you know, AJ Brown was in the middle for a little

bit, but for the most part, he was just sort of sitting in his locker sort of in contemplation and, you know, talking with a couple members of the training staff. And, you know, I think it was sort of a reflection of he was playing through a lot of pain at the end of this season and probably needed to do a lot to get through it. You know, Lane Johnson's a little. little bit off to the side. He's the, you know, he's, he's, he's the veteran here. This is like the, uh, you know, the cementing of his Hall of Fame resume, uh, to some degree. But, you know, it was, it was, it was fun to watch. It was fun to be a part of. Um, and then, you know, Big J. Jernos that Zach and I are found ourselves at the, uh, you know, the Eagles after

party at the team hotel. Oh, okay. I haven't heard about this. Yeah. And to me, and I wrote about this on all p.h.L.com. Um, now in the post game locker room, Nick Sirion is a little bit, a little bit more muted. You know, this was a player's thing. But, you know, when it gets to 2 a.m. at the, you know, at the team party, Nick was feeling himself a little bit. You know, he goes on stage. He's, he's pop and lock into, you know, buy you a drink and he's singing all the words to my prerogative. And, like, if anybody has ever deserved it to, like, celebrate it is Nick Siriani, because he's been doubted so much. And there's a delightful irony here, Greg, that you will appreciate because, you know, they're among the stars who were there that night.

You know, you've got Shane Gillis is there and Pete Davidson is there. But you know who else was there? Bill Belichick. And so Bill Belichick, the guy who was essentially threatening and maybe back channeling to take Nick Siriani's job 13 months ago is there as Nick Siriani is the head coach on top of the world. And I think there's a, there's a delightful irony in that for Siriani. Now, did they have a moment together?

Do you have any idea? I wasn't there. I wasn't there all night. I was only there for, like, the last hour. But I don't think so, but I haven't heard honestly either way. I can't stay one way or another. Yeah, I was wondering if I should hit up our mutual friend for like an invite to that. But I was feeling a little cashed out by like one in the morning.

It's not my freaking party. Anyways, I was like, I also knew I had a sleeping wife and son in the room that would have been even more annoyed when I woke them up at three or four in the morning instead of one. Either way. I did not ask to go. It's funny you mention that. Okay, that's taking us in a different direction. But how close do you think that ever was to happening? Because the fact that there was a conversation between Howie Roseman and Bill Belichick is pretty astounding, frankly.

That shows maybe it's just them giving him the respect and Bill Belichick sort of back channeled, as you're implying. But to me, I read that as that's something they're considering. considering doing, which is a wild door not taken. And they obviously look at the coaching position differently than most organizations. You guys have helped inform me of that over the years. And it's kind of obvious that they chose these coordinators, not Nick. So how close do you think it was to a totally wild and I'm sure less successful

because it couldn't have been more successful door number two? I don't think that it was ever super close. But I did have the framing last year that I think if they were, ever going to do it. It would have been last year because you looked at what they did with the coordinators, right? You know, you add Vic Fangio and you add Kellyn Moore, the most turnkey options on the market, right? Because I think they believed in their hearts that this was a Super Bowl caliber roster. And so what they needed was somebody to keep it on the rails. And so the Vic Fangio version of a head coach in that situation would obviously have been Bill Belichick.

Now, I don't think that that would have been a, you know, a lasting marriage because as we've talked about this is a GM-centric organization. I think they would have eventually butted heads as to who's in charge of stuff. But my understanding is also that this was probably more of a a Jeff Lurie fascination than the Howie Roseman one, even though I think Howie Roseman has a good relationship with Bell Belichick, I think all indications are that

Howie was one of the ones who was fighting on behalf of keeping Nick Siriani. I think he thinks they have a good working relationship. You know, you could play Machiavellian and think that it's because it's somebody that he knows will sort of just worry about coaching and not try to get involved in the front office and he can hire the coaches.

But if we want to, you know, when we do pivot to Kellynmore, I think that's an interesting part of who has the power here in how they go about backfilling Kellynne Moore. Yeah, that will be telling. And now Seriani's got to be like one of the highest paid coaches in NFL history. Yeah, he deserves to be on stage like, stuffing on his chest. He did it. I mean, it's unbelievable. I know what we will get to like thinking of this team big picture, but I mean, the truth is they didn't lose a game all season

long when Jalen Hertz and A.J. Brown both play the entire game. Like, now I listen to your post show. I heard that one. And that's true. And going through this list of, of the recent champions, I sorted it more on just like, in a given week, who would you be afraid to play? And this Eagles team, you know, spoiler alert is high on that list. I think the resume also matters and the whole they only lost three games one of them is with Jalen Hertz

getting hurt halfway through and they blow it although it was the defense that blew that game one of them was Sequin Barclay dropping the ball that happens you know every team has a loss

kind of like that but they probably should have won that game the other one though I'll push back on it they got wiped out by the bucks AJ Brown's not saving him that game but it's also week four I think this whole season for the Eagles is a week five onward conversation which is very similar to another team very high on my list.

Spoiler alert, the 2014 Patriots, who went two and two, and that was the year everyone was like, is Belichick losing it? They actually asked them a question about Benching Brady after going two and two, which was my friend Tom Curran, which was amazing. And, you know, after that, they were one of the best Patriots teams ever. And this Eagles team, after they put Cooper to Gene in, after they just started improving since that week five,

we're one of the best teams ever. I do wonder if part of the reason they wouldn't have gotten down the Belichick road is just like they had Fangio there and he was he was their white whale and it is really funny as we transition a little bit and if you have more thoughts on on stuff after the game I'm happy to hear it because that stuff you have that no one else does but watch you know rewatching that game and thinking about the game it's funny how much credit Fangio gets deservedly for this defense he built and you know. yet how much the game plan was like not that important. He is calling back to a time in the NFL when it's not about how look how smart all these coaches are. They have to run the fewest amount of coverages in the league. And in that game especially, they just ran what they ran. Like Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid knew exactly what the chiefs were doing the entire game.

There was no trickery. There was no blitzing. There's no, there's barely any like of the sim pressures or even the fancy or stuff they do like they're just going out and playing like 1980s style defense and they're just awesome at executing it so the coaching and the genius to me is in everything that vic banjoa and this entire coaching staff did all season long to develop these players and kind of get them playing so in sync and so fast they're just they're just one of the best defenses ever i think i think that's safe to say at this point i think so too and i think certainly in the conversation for

best defense of the you know of the 2000s especially if you're looking you know week week six on after they came back from the buy i think there are a few important things to unpack there one i mean they did do something like you know there there was some uh front mechanics that were different they changed some of the linebacker roles just a little bit but you're right i mean they played like a ton of cover four they knew that that up front they were just going to dominate i think one thing that that gets maybe a little bit underrated in just vicangio came in and fixed this defense is the rest of the staff. And that was, you have to go back to,

they go to the 2022 Super Bowl, they lose that game. And not only do you have to replace Jonathan Gannon, you have to replace Nick Rowless, who leaves as linebackers coach. Dinard Wilson, who was in charge of the D.Bs, was essentially like the guy in waiting. And when he doesn't get the job, he leaves.

And so I think the Eagles internally felt like last year, one of the big problems with their team was not just the coordinator, but was the staff. And so when Vic Fangio comes in this year, you know, they replaced every position coach except for Jeremiah Washburn, the outside linebackers coach. You get Clint Hurt, who goes from defensive coordinator to defensive line coach. Bobby King takes over the linebackers. Christian Parker takes over the DBs, and he's a guy who a lot of people feel like is a future defensive coordinator,

which reminds me, by the way, I don't know if you caught this. This was a very funny moment from your show the other night that I listened to. Jordan, I just wanted to call her out on this. She's talking about how young Joe Casper and Christian Parker are. And her frame of references, they're so young, they're the same age as me, which is just a huge flex on how young she is. And then Shook jumped in right away and was like, yeah, same age as me too. And I'm just like, oh, I guess it's just old Greg and the whippersnatters at this point on the show. Yeah, I did not appreciate that whatsoever.

But a fair point on that, like, they replaced every single position coach. And like Bill Belichick, it would have been impossible to do a better job with this, with this team than Van Geo did. All I meant was just like that, like they're playing pretty old school football. I mean, this, this game was a, was a talent out, you know, outperforms everything. Like, they were just so much more talented than the chiefs. I think my favorite encapsulation of that was, you know, so there's the, there's the, it's 10 nothing and they get that, that immaculate drive where it's sack, sack, Hoover de Jane, pick six. and that that sack-sac drive was the first time that they rotated in their like you know B team on the defensive line and so you've got you know you've got joe tuny at left tackle

who's getting like offensive player of the year votes from from his boys like wow what this you can't beat this guy and he's getting just run over by the third defensive end rookie third round pick j lexon who's you know who's an improving player but like if you're just holding up like who's one of the best players on this team versus like who's like the 13th best player on this defense and he's just running them over that's a real thing that happened was not covered on the show

both Tom Brady and was it Rodney Harrison? No it's Teddy Bruske I forget which ex-patriot voted Joe Tunney on their offensive player of the year ballot which is just stupid I mean he's a really good guard but yeah he was a weakness he was an example

of their biggest issue over the last stretch was they ended up just like blowing up their offensive line in multiple spots because they made a bad draft pick they haven't been able to develop that position and that was a problem i love all that by the way i'd love that you mentioned a j brown how he was emotional in the locker room too because our interview on audio i don't know if it came across as well as it did for me on video just that like his face was taking everything in in in that moment and and it meant he really seemed like to your point maybe fighting through the injury but it reminded me a lot

of Aaron Rogers after he won his Super Bowl, which was the most human I ever saw him in the locker room in the corner, kind of taking it all in. And you could just see it all on his face in a way that you could with with A.J. Brown there, too. Let's, yeah, let's talk about the game. Because there were a few things that I just wish, and we're not going to go back through it too often or ever again. Who knows? I'm sure it'll come up. But like at this level that I wish I had gotten into just sort of the numbers i i think like we know the defense played well but when i look at aaron shots and that was easily the best defensive performance in the first half of a super bowl ever and of course it was because they had they forced more turnovers than they gave up

first downs like uh yeah the chiefs got first down on the first play of scrimmage and then didn't get another first down the whole half here's one that that i love the chiefs didn't run a play in the in the Eagles territory for the first nine drives of the game. That was the only game all season that happened in the NFL. And to me, nine drives is actually the perfect number because nine drives is your average chiefs game. They play way less possessions. And it always stuck in my head, too, last year, how their offense did not show up in

that game against 49ers. Through nine drives, the 49ers defense had played awesome. I think they had given up 10 points and one was on a, like three were on a short field. It was like, wow, their defense played. well enough to win the Super Bowl and then some. But, but, you know, because the Chief's defense, it's a team game, you know, held their end up of the bargain. Eventually they had time.

Not this time. That's outrageous. You can really say, other than garbage time, it was the worst performance, potentially, by any team in the NFL in any game this year. Patrick Mahomes at the Super Bowl. It's just, I don't know. I don't know what to do with that, but it's, it's, it's embarrassed. It's a little embarrassing for the Chiefs.

That's why I respect them for getting all those garbage time touchdowns just to feel better about themselves. Like I would have wanted to do that too if I were them because it had to have been embarrassing to get bodied like that. Yeah, I was talking to someone who was on the cheap sideline and they said like after the Cooper DeGine pick six, like they knew. It was like this game is over and they were just,

they were just ejected. Now it's interesting from a like, what was their plan coming in? Fran Duffy broke this down on our, on all-P-H-O-Y.com and in a good way, and I think I saw it somewhere else, that, like, the plan for the defensive line coming into this game was, like, they are not strong enough. We are going to, we are going to bullrush them all game long.

We're going to go through them, not around them. Now, part of that is it also keeps Mahomes in the pocket, right? You're not giving him lanes to throw. But they knew, like, they cannot block us. And just, you talk about, like, the violence of this team. This is, I know this is kind of, like, kind of basic, but it's why I thought the Eagles were going to win this game. They're just the meaner team.

They have been so violent the entire second half of the season. And I think the Eagles from a roster construction standpoint would give some of that to some of the things that they care about in the draft. We sort of laugh at like adding all these Georgia guys, but like this is what they're used to. And so like every single move worked. And even like the one guy who had to go in as a backup, Orrin Berks in this game, who lost to the Chiefs in the Super Bowl last year is having to replace Drey Greenlaw when he suffers the injury.

Like, he was fine in this game. Quinion Mitchell is like running stride for stride downfield with Xavier Worthy on that one first half play where they went play action to try to go to that deep shot. And you see Mahomes kind of cocked like he really wants to throw it and he can't because Quinnian Mitchell is right there. Like everybody on this team played at the, high like the ceiling of their ability and i think it's why when we get to the conversation of

like where do they rank there's like a there's a discrepancy between like the greatest team like the arc of their resume versus like the best team when they got to the super bowl and i think this team at this point it would be hard to beat them i think yeah i think you're right and um even with those late touchdowns they gave up two touchdowns in the last three minutes in and won late in the third quarter. They still end up with a fourth best defensive DVOA for a game in the Super Bowl. And it was interesting to see what was fifth on that list was the Bucks versus the Chiefs. Interesting.

Now, DVOA, it is supposed to contextualize the, like the win probability of the game itself. So I'm surprised to see it in that lot. Yeah, the opponent, the play to play. It does, but it doesn't, it doesn't count out garbage time. Not in a game-by-game basis. It still counts a little bit for garbage time. But that to me is interesting. Just the Chiefs having two of their worst games of the Mahomes era in the Super Bowl is crazy.

The last little thing I just want to say in the Super Bowl was Hertz's game was even better in retrospect than I thought at the time. Because I think I was a little caught in that first half where I'm doing the radio and everything you just said about their pass rush. And I got the binoculars on and it was so fun. The pass rush was so dominating. the game it reminded me most of by the way that i attended was actually week one opener rams bills of of 2000 and what 22 when they were defending their title and that was just just in terms of watching up front a defensive line just completely embarrassed an offensive line that was that was very similar the bills just crushed them uh but that was like a week one game

setting up like a team that was going to be terrible that year the rams and this was the super ball um hurts though like the rushing you said like the chiefs knew they were going to lose in the in the first half i got admit like even coming into the second half i was like all right let's see what the chiefs do for the first drive i didn't think it was over until they do nothing with their their first drive and then hurts just starts making very quick decisions to run with their first drive and they're they're racking up first times you're like okay this is over and that was really part of a game where he even though he held the ball at times he made quick decisions decisions. He made good decisions. And oh, by the way, he goes like five for six on plus

20 yard throws. And in the more, you know, rewatching them, I realized like, oh, those were just awesome throws. There's, to me, no question. His two best games of the season were the last two, which is just just totally badass. Absolutely. And the Dotson completion to me was an awesome one because it was the first big blitz spags sent all game. And he makes that check. And I don't know that like people who haven't watched the Eagles all season realize how insane it was for him to check to a go ball to Jahan Dotson who like he barely throws to. This was the first game all season long if you don't count the week 18 finale with the backups in which John Dotson had two catches that went for first downs. Like that's how one involved he's been in the offense. And it was a beautiful

throw. The scrambles were huge and obviously in part because of, you know, they weren't getting a ton from Sequin Barclay, which again, I think speaks to like the talent disparity in this game. It felt like the Chief's game plan was we are not going to let Sequin beat us on offense and we are not going to let Jalen Carter beat us on defense. They're double teaming him every snap almost. And, okay, the other 20 players on the field are just going to dominate every single one of their other individual matchups and like you get like almost a 40-point game. I thought, yeah, I thought Hurts was outstanding.

The go balls were awesome. I thought the, you know, the shot to Devante down the middle was, I talked about this team being mean. Like, they really stepped on the throat there after the fourth down stop by Yvante Maddox. That's like a tough catch and a tough throw. Like to have it in the right spot, people are killing like Jalen Watson for that. That's like, I mean, that's just like good offense beat. Like that's just a great throw perfect like where he, he always throws those deep balls in just the right spot. I mean, he's not a complete quarterback, but his strengths are are so good.

And the design runs were effective too. like he is a good vertical runner that helped them keep the chains moving the strength that he has throwing deep which to me is like as a passer the best thing he does makes it more mystifying why we didn't see more of this in the regular season like there was a stretch in the second half of the regular season where the eagles threw the ball downfield uh you know less often than almost every team in the league which was kind of bizarre um the one other thing that that worked out well for the eagles in this game and credit again to friend duffy for pointing this out usually the the the The story with Jalen Hurts as a passer is that the quicker he gets rid of the ball, the better he is.

And the longer he holds onto the ball, the less effective he is. He's like towards the bottom of the league in, you know, EPA per pass when he holds onto the ball for three seconds or more, which is a little bit unexpected given that he is a, you know, a creative player. You would think that that as a mobile quarterback, he would be better at that. And in this game, he held onto the ball. I believe this was the third longest time to throw that he had all season. but when he held on to the ball, he was way more efficient than he usually is.

And that was a big factor in the game. Yeah, too many one-on-one matchups. Let's pivot that they just had a huge advantage. Let's pivot a little bit to just what's next out of this group. And they have both these teams have a lot of free agents, a lot of question marks coming into the offseason. We're going to do full off-season previews for every team. But for the Eagles,

who do you think is most likely to stay? I'm going to give you six starters. That's a lot. Going through the different teams, like if you have more than four or more starters, that's actually more than average transition over the course of in off season. In terms of guys you mostly would want to keep,

and this is the case here. Josh Sweat, going to be a free agent. Milton Williams, going to be a free agent. Mackay Beckton, going to be a free agent. Zach Bonn, going to be a free agent. Darius Slate, not going to be a free agent. free agent but talks as if he is like he thinks the eagles are going to cut him or something is going to happen there and then Dallas got her just because you threw this out there like would they

ever want to move off of his contract that would surprise me personally because I just think he he adds such an important dimension like why would they choose to do that but uh of that group who kind of stands out to you is the most likely to go and the most likely to stay however you want to answer So I think, I think Mackay Beckton is the least likely to stay for several reasons. One is that, like, they're going to have to extend Kim Juergens this offseason. They're already paying Lyndon Dickerson and Jordan Milata and Lane Johnson at the top of the offensive line market. You can't pay everybody.

And I think you can trust Jeff Stoutland to, you know, fill in somebody as the right guard between those two guys. Tyler Steen filled in in this game and is fine. I think the Eagles wanted to take an offensive lineman early last year. I think they would like to do it. He was not fine in this game. I think he came in in the very first rep, Chris Jones, like, embarrassed him. That's fair.

I'm pretty sure. I don't think they would like to enter next season with him as plan A. But I think they trust that they can backfill that spot. Mackay Beckton was like a great one-year band-aid. I don't think that they view him as worthy of, like, top-of-the-market salary, unless they think he's the eventual Lane Johnson replacement, which I don't think they do. Milton Williams, I think, is also very unlikely to return. I think if you asked Howie Roseman, like one of his regrets from the past couple of years,

I think they wished that they had extended him two years ago when they first could have. But he's going to get paid this offseason. I don't think they can afford him. He's going to be, I mean, he's 25 years old. He's going to be 26 in April. He is an ascending player, and they've got Jordan Davis coming back next year. Morrow Ajama, who played very well in the postseason, is kind of a guy who can backfill there. And it's supposed to be a good defensive tackle class.

I think they sort of trust that that's how they can approach it. it's a good call they usually get those deals done of like guys who are coming up on their roster that they they may be value higher than than other teams like Josh Swett was a homegrown lineman yeah homegrown linemen is not something that they usually let go and so I think they I think they were a little bit I'm sure they tried I don't know if it was I don't know what the negotiations were like but I think they regret that a little bit I also don't think Josh Swett is coming back um in part because you know they made him take a pay cut last year, last offseason. So I think there might be some acrimony there. Then again, Sweat hired Drew Rosenhaus. So that probably means that any bad feelings are done on that front. But it also means that Rosenhaus will make sure that Sweat gets the most money. And I don't think that the Eagles will be the ones who offer him the most money.

I think Slay is an interesting one. I think the plan heading into the season was probably to post June 1st release him this offseason, saves a good chunk of money. You've got Quinyan Mitchell. You've got Cooper DeGine. You've got Kiela Ringo coming up. They could also resign Isaiah Rogers. But I do think that there is potential mutual interest in like a restructure for a one-year deal

if Slay wants to go out just on his terms with the Eagles. I think that's possible. Goddard, I think they would like to restructure him. He's got no guaranteed money. And so I think there is a real possibility that they move on. And if they're looking to create room, I do think that's a place to do it. He's just been so injury prone. He hasn't played a full season.

I think he's played one full season in the last five years. And so I think that's a place where they could look to make a change and get younger. And then Bonn is a really interesting one to me because we know. He's not going anywhere. I don't care. They'll franchise tag him. So he's number one on my list. But you can't franchise tag him because the franchise numbers is for edge rushers, right?

It's like a 20 plus million dollar thing. So what? That's fine. Give Zach Bonn $20 plus million for a year. I don't think that. He was worth it. I think if you had to pick one most valuable player on their defense, I guess Jalen Carter would be up there.

I think it's probably Jalen Carter. I mean, this is number two. Hey, who was the defensive player of the year finalist? It was Zach Bonn. It didn't slow down in the playoffs. He was awesome. I think he's kind of unlocked them. I honestly think he would be very difficult for Vic Vanjo to replace.

And they will, this is just my opinion, but I think they will look at him as somewhat irreplaceable and just give him a ton of money. I think he is the one who they are most willing to go above what they're comfortable for, but they're also going to have a number. And what's really hard to figure out with Zach Bonn is what the market's going to be like. Because this is a 29-year-old who has done this for one year at a position that is not usually hugely valued on the open market. It's not that hard. If some team comes out and offers him $20 million, I don't think,

Eagles are going to match that. But I think that they would love to try. I think they're going to try to spoil him before free agency hits, see if they can get him to come back. And you also have to wonder, you know, Zach Bond, this is his chance to cash in, but he's also seeing the other side of like what it's like. How much does, is he willing to take any kind of discount to be back on the big fan show?

I think he will have a huge market. I think off ball linebackers are kind of coming back in style like running backs. It's just hard to find three down linebackers. There's enough Fangio-like teams out there that can convince himself that he fits perfectly as, okay, we don't have to change our lineup. He can play on the line. He can back up. He unlocks it.

Will he be at the top of those four in your top 100? Will it be ahead of Sweat and Milton Williams? Milton Williams will be high. Just a young pass rush who is just coming off a great year. Yeah, probably. I mean, I know it's only one year, but you got to just have, you got to, you got to, value what he did and how valuable he was i don't think they'll ever let him go i really don't whatever the offball line backer market is they'll just i think they'll we'll agree to disagree that he'll get some

he'll get like 30 million dollars guaranteed on like a three-year 50 million dollar deal or something like that where he's making 16 or 17 that's so crazy yeah and then and they'll just i'll get that like next week don't even wait i do think he's the one that they would most like to have back it would be crazy don't let him go uh the chiefs quickly uh it it's crazy we'll be we'll be covering this plenty as it happens but kelsey at this point you have to think is more likely to retire than not tray smith is going to be a top of a lot of free agent lists although i asked around and there is a little bit of a buzz that like was not tray smith's best year this is something that basics like me and you might might not totally uh no but like he's not coming off a good year

for for Tray Smith. So that'll be interesting. Justin Reed, Nick Bolton, Wharton, who I thought had an awesome, very similar to Milton Williams, but just a little lower level, but had an awesome postseason, and he's going to be a free agent, New Copkins, Omenahue, Derek Nottie, like a lot of guys who played a lot of snaps for them. It's going to be a transition year. They have to fix their offensive line again. So I think they're working a little uphill. Let's take a quick break. We'll come back with. Kellan Moore talk, and then, yes, we're going to do a little Rogers. We're going to rank some super goals.

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We've already gone too long just talking Eagles. Let's talk about them losing their offensive coordinator. We have our head coach in New Orleans. As I was leaving and I was, you know, the city and I was thinking about Siriani on the podium telling Kellan, let's run this thing back. I was thinking, oh my God, what a crazy situation if Kellyn Moore got really emotional and just decided to stay and the Eagles gave him the bag. It would then turn from one of the most embarrassing head coaching searches of all time to the most embarrassing head coaching search of all time. But Saints fans are absolutely thrilled, and I don't blame them, considering what they've been through, that they have the Super Bowl champion offensive coordinator. What do you think after watching him up close, Bo, for a year of Kellyn Moore as a head coach?

It's funny you said the thing about him getting emotional because I was thinking back today, and I don't remember seeing him in the point. post-game locker room or at the party late night. So maybe he was, like, trying to avoid getting sucked in by, by sentimentality. I don't think that that's actually the case. I just didn't see him. I think Kellen Moore is going to be an interesting head coach experience, because I don't really know what to expect. From a, like, media standpoint, I mean, he's very vanilla.

He does not give anything away. Like, his press conferences this year were kind of notoriously bland. But, you know, I did ask Nick Siriani late in the season, like, why? he thinks Kellen Moore would be a good head coach. And one of the first things he mentioned, and maybe this is just how Nick Siriani thinks about the position, was about how well he commands a room and how detailed he is. And so we'll see how those things happen.

I don't think that he was particularly like the best, you know, play designer necessarily this year. You guys were unhappy with him. Philadelphia wasn't, like, thrilled with Kellen Moore for parts of this year. Again, it's also your untangling with Jalen Hertz. And then you see the Week 18 game plan. It's all the bells and whistles that you were expecting, and Tanner McKee looks awesome.

So maybe the Kellynne Moore head coach offense will look a lot different than what it looked like here. Wait, hold on for a second there. How annoyed are you that it was Kenny Pickett finishing out the Super Bowl and not your boy, Tanner McKee? That was his moment. And he would have picked up a first down. They didn't want to hurt Jaylen's feelings.

If it was McKee and he lit it up, it was going to be, you know, you got the whole offseason quarterback controversy, they couldn't handle that. Yeah. I think they got to get rid of Kenny Pickett. Although the most fanciful conversation I heard on your, on your podcast over the last few weeks was, well, maybe they're trying to just make sure they preserve Kenny Pickett's trade value. That's why he's still the backet.

What trade value do you guys think Kenny Pickett has? No one's traded for Kenny Pickett. Well, I mean, maybe you get like a sixth, yeah. A sixth to the seventh swap. That's what you got for him last year. His value hasn't got up with the Eagles. Oh, his value last year was like a late third. It was like a fourth round or an early fourth maybe based on a swap, though, didn't they?

It was a swap, but that's the value. It was like a roundback. It was, it was ridiculous. He had a value. Although, yeah, maybe he goes. Well, he's cheap. That's the value is that he's on a rookie contract. Yeah.

As for Kellynmore, I don't know. I mean, we'll see what kind of staff he builds. It's always tough to build the staff this late in the cycle. It sounds like there's going to be some short-term pain, right, with that with that Saints roster. Um, but I don't know. I'm, I'm honestly, I don't know what to expect from the Kellynmore head coaching experience because we, we haven't really learned that much about him. You know, he's, he's an interesting case because he, he was a guy you thought would be the future Dallas Cowboys head coach at one point. Um, he thought by all accounts that he would be a future

Dallas Cowboys head coach. And then Brian Schottenheimer gets the job. And perhaps I've heard that You know, seeing what happened with Slowick, not getting the Cowboys job, made him realize, like, well, if I can triple my salary or whatever it's going to be, it's going to be a lot more money and have a chance to do it, there's no guarantee I ever get my chance. I'm going to take this opportunity. Maybe he brings in Doug Nussmeyer, who is with him in Philadelphia on offense. And then Brandon Staley is reportedly the leading candidate for the defensive quarter. coordinator jobs. Daley hired him in a relatively disastrous season for both of them. It's always funny when that flips, when the coordinator becomes the head coach and hires the head coach as a coordinator. I think it's always a funny dynamic.

Two young guys. We'll see. We'll see. By the way, Schottenheimer hired. Who did he hire? Joe Brady? No, not Joe Brady. I mean, Ken Dorsey? Of course he didn't hire Joe Brady. Ken Dorsey in Dallas. I like that staff that he's. he's putting together. So shout out to Brian Schottenheimer. I'm like 15% higher than consensus on how it will go for him. I think I think he could be fine. I will note the thing that you will hear from the Eagles now is that this will be Jalen Hertz's fifth offensive coordinator in his six seasons in the NFL. And if you go back to his college career, it's nine in ten. Very similar to the career of Derrick Carr, who Kellyn Moore is inheriting presumably.

some contrasting reports out there about how much Kellynne Moore wants Derrick Carr as his quarterback. I shouldn't even say reports. It's contrasting people that you talk to at the Super Bowl that seem to be well informed, but they don't agree on this, that maybe Kellyn Moore said, I'm only taking that job or, you know, he does not want Derrick Carr. It's a very confusing situation with Mickey Loomis running that team with about as much power as anyone. in the NFL, and Kellan Moore has to step into that,

but he's been in weird spots before. He was the coach under Jason Garrett did so well that he kept the job, but he kept it with Mike McCarthy, and then Mike McCarthy kind of slowly made it into his offense. Other people were saying that Jerry Jones had some input on that offense, and it's like he was extremely productive with the Cowboys.

That should not be lost. He was there for four years. A couple of those teams were elite. like if you just go by points and yards they were the best offense in the league uh and even by the efficiency metrics they were excellent and he won with backups he won with some backups uh andy dalton at one point and he and he won with uh cooper rush in dallas so like he's done it i think the saints did about as well as they could have i'm looking forward to that what before we move totally off the eagles what is the dumbest thing you've heard this week just maybe analysis of the game

if you want i can i can start it was more just dumbest thing i saw i was walking on st charles yesterday i had a very late flight and i just saw in the windows in a bar like the lower third for one of those i believe it was first get up and it was said it said is the goat debate over is it over like now brady's won it for good it's over because of what your eagles did to the to the chiefs is it over that's the dumbest thing i've ever heard that that is the dumbest thing i've seen it's extremely dumb yeah i mean that's that's that's pretty high up there um i'm trying to think i think i guess it would have been you know conversation about seriani's job security heading into the super bowl like if they lost the game could he still uh be fired that seems

pretty pretty unlikely um other than that i guess it's just like the the the chest pounding of the like the eagles have no chance in this game like they're this game is already had been played two years ago, they've gotten a shot, which turned out to be quite wrong. Was there a lot of that? It was interesting because, look, we went three for three here on our picks for game debut and on NFL Daily and game day view, which are five different people. And yet I did look, and I think the consent, it was a very slight favoring the chiefs in terms of the general cognoscenti. Maybe it was like 55, 45, 65, 65, 60, 40. So it wasn't a nobody believed in us. But it was a situation where the team wins so convincingly,

of like that Seahawks win that keeps getting referenced, that everyone who picked the Chiefs probably feels a little stupid. Well, I do, I will give you a little bit of gas here in that, like, I did see it come across my timeline, like the breakdown of who picked two. And it was like, oh, all the ball knowers picked the Eagles. It was the, you know, it was the nameless faces who picked the Chiefs. Well, I also like sticking with my picks if I believe in the overall structure and talent. And I picked the Eagles to win the Super Bowl in both 2020.

and 2023 before the season. And this season, I had them in the NFC championship game before the season, which I feel like people didn't know what to make of this team. And I wish I had just picked them to win it off for three straight years because I finally would have been right. And that was the dumbest thing I saw, by the way, because I'm old enough to remember NFL.com's cover story before that Seahawks Super Bowl, Beau, was,

does Peyton Manning cement himself in the goat race with a win today? Because that was the thought. Like at that point, it's not that long ago, people gave Manning the edge because it had been 10 years before, you know, since Brady had won one. You know, he was, quote, quote, stuck on three. And Manning's individual stuff was in the Broncos that season and their offense was so much higher. That generally people thought the greatest of all time, at least between Manning's, Brady was Manning and they were like almost mid-30s at the point it fell over that's why that's the stupidest thing ever because Patrick Mahomes not even not even 30 like let let this play out at

this point it's just got to be him versus Brady and he hasn't even gotten to Brady's best decade hell Brady's best decade was like 34 to 44 so you know you can't expect Mahomes to do that but like it could so let's just let's just put a pin in it a little bit yeah I think from a like if you could zoom out, it will be fun to kind of see, like, what the next iteration of the Patrick Mahomes chiefs are, like, post-Chasing Kelsey, like, how are they going to reform the offense? How is he going to become a different player? I think that's a very, a very fascinating story. And look, it's not good for him. It will be remembered that he had two of his worst games in the Super Bowl. That was another kind of takeaway I had rewatching. It was like, everyone's just going

to put it on everything around Mahomes. He was bad. I mean, he legit panic. I don't remember ever seeing him like that in the pocket like like really looking uncomfortable he he likes to play with people around him and the way that they did it he didn't not like it anymore he essentially fritzed out he held the ball a couple times when actually there were throws they weren't like open but you just would thought that he would he would try to rip it like he he played one of the worst games of his career and considering the context easily the worst game of his career uh in that spot so he deserves a little bit of that getting blown out twice in the super bowl you know that didn't happen to brady their teams were always close they did get blown out in like a divisional round

game or two though so you know things happen right i mean yeah everybody says it but the the worst season of his career was the a fc championship game results wise like that's that's pretty good right and it's like you should you should get extra credit for playing well against the texans and playing well against the bills before having the worst game. Like, Brady shouldn't get somehow put higher because he got waxed by the Ravens in that 2009 game, which at the time I thought was like the end of the Patriots dynasty. They were booing him out of Foxborough in 2009.

And then literally the next year, they had the best offense for about the next seven straight years in aggregate. It was crazy. So we kind of need to see that out of Mahomes, though. It's been a couple quiet years, like in terms of his regular season performance. And that gets us to ranking these teams. I'm excited to hear how this goes.

Okay, so this was last minute. I did not spend nearly enough time on this. But it's one of those exercises. I feel like if you spent all the time and if you spent almost no time, it wouldn't improve at all. So you're going to comment to me on what you think of my rankings here.

I decided to do it from the Ravens in the Superdome just as a cutoff. So that's the last 12 seasons. That's 2012. So isn't that 13 seasons? Am I wrong? Yeah, yeah, because I'm throwing the Ravens. 13 seasons.

Part of the reason is they're actually my worst Super Bowl champion. And again, I'm thinking about just line them all up in a given week. You obviously get extra credit from how you're playing at the end of the season and in the Super Bowl and in the postseason. But all these teams were playing awesome. They won the freaking Super Bowl. Like there isn't one that I looked at was like, oh, they just got. got lucky, like, game after game after game. And so, in the end, you know, the 2012 Ravens, Joe Flacco's your quarterback, I mean,

he was playing at an outrageous level that, and that was one of the worst defenses the Ravens have ever had. And they somehow strung together a playoff run in which they didn't even play that well on defense the whole time, but they got enough stops, and they almost gave up the biggest comeback in history against the 49ers, but they got enough stuff. They're a great team, but they're at the bottom of my list. They're 13. Okay.

Yeah, I mean, I guess if you are ranking the quarterbacks themselves, would Flacco be at the bottom? Is it this version of Jalen Hertz? I would say that version of Peyton Manning would be at the bottom. And so they're part of my next two are the 2018 Patriots and the 2015 Broncos. Now, if you're just ranking defenses, I know Broncos fans will get mad. They would be right there with the Eagles and the Seahawks as the three best defenses. over these this stretch but i feel like if you're that imbalanced and you kind of look at their run that they went through they they were going against like the horrible one of the worst patriots teams that

that ever made it to a conference championship was stephen jackson at running back and like not even it was just like all it was was brady and gronk and then they get absolutely smashed in the super bowl you get taken down a peg if you lose by 35 points and that patriots team while they they showed up had a great playoff run like they had some bad they got to waxed a couple of times that year. It was like on, it was the Patriots dynasty on fumes, just cranking it up one last time.

I think if you just put them on the field against their other Patriots teams against all these other teams, they might struggle. They might struggle a little bit. The one bit of prep I did for this was I just looked at all of their point differentials from including the regular season

and the playoffs together. And just for the record, that 2015 Broncos team was at the bottom. So I think that the numbers reflect you there. Thank you. And Patriots fans, it's tough to separate them all because that playoff run was pretty great.

They did put up like 40 back-to-back weeks out of nowhere against the Chargers and the Chiefs having to beat Mahomes in his first time. And then the defense suddenly shows up and holds the Rams to three. So it showed they were balanced, but overall not like an amazing team. All right.

Young Philadelphians will need to take your notes on like how to go about differentiating between all the different teams that went to the Super Bowl. Then they'll have to hear because, all right, these next, I had a hard time. I'm separating these four teams, but they're in my next four. All right. The 23 Chiefs are the next lowest team on this list.

They had a crazy good playoff run, but they had like a three and five stretch during the season, and the offense really wasn't that great, even though you had Mahomes. Very good defensive. 2017 Eagles, this is where they show up. By the time they finish that season, they could be anyone, obviously. They did it. they were dangerous. But, you know, if Julio Jones makes that catch

and a couple things a little happen and certainly looking over the regular season, this is where I put them. Then here's the 22 chiefs. Of the latter two chiefs teams, like this is the one where the offense was much more efficient, not as explosive,

but a very good offense and the defense stepped up late in the year. And then... Well, could they say on the... Oh, God. And then the 2016 Patriots, sneaky great Super Bowl. This was actually one versus two

in terms of DVOA. The Falcons were number one in DVOA that year. I don't think of that Patriots team as like that unbelievable, the one that made the comeback there, but they were pretty great. So those are my next pack. You can give me any thoughts on those. You will be surprised to know that that 2016 Patriots team

had the second best point differential of all these teams. And then I was just going to say on the 17 Eagles, I think this is where the disparity between the scope of the entire season and the way they're playing at the end matters because over the course of the season, you know, they blew out all kinds of teams when Carson Wentz was healthy. They're fourth on this list of point differential. But the Nick Foll's iteration did not really come together until those last two games.

I mean, that team, you know, there's like, there's a magic to that team. But I think even, you know, Chris Long said on his podcast that if his team lined up against the team from, you know, Sunday night, he thinks they're not winning that game. So, yeah, I'm trying not to also be a homer because that Patriot. That was a really good Falcons team that ultimately, they had a hard time slowing down for much of that game, but they did when they needed to in a great Patriots offense. That's interesting on point differential.

I think they had a very easy schedule that year, I weirdly remember. They were just, like, beating up on all these bad teams. All right, I'm into my top four. Number four, and these four, I could rearrange in any way. Number four, the 2019 Chiefs. Ultimately, it's the best Mahomes. It's the best chief's offense. I think offense matters more.

And then I look at the top three teams on this list, and I start wondering, maybe offense doesn't matter more. So they were pretty hard for for me. Do you think that's right to put them as the best chief's team of that that's one? I think so. And you're reminding me of my reaction after the 22 Super Bowl, you know, when the chiefs beat the Eagles, which was that, you know, I don't know, maybe defenses don't matter because like in that,

like that was a good Eagles defense and they didn't do anything against a very, good Chiefs offense, but I guess my opinion has changed over the, over the past couple weeks. I know. That's the thing that's crazy. It's just, I actually think you frame this well. It's that there's a difference between like, like the number one defense, a great defense, and then like the difference between the number four defense and the number 25 defense is very minor. Like, you either have a great defense or a terrible defense and everybody else is sort of in between. That's the thing with the 2016 Patriots, like they, they had a good enough defense. they obviously could game-plan well,

but the team like the Falcons go up and down on them, the 22 Chiefs that happened. Like that Eagles Patriots game, in theory, that Super Bowl had pretty competent defenses. And they were literally two of the worst defenses in the history of the sport. All it was was yardage.

It was like a little hundred yards. The three worst, I believe, Sheel Capadia has. It's like the three worst Super Bowl defensive performances since 2000 are like both defenses in that game. And then the Eagles' defense. in 2022. Wow. So yeah, maybe that those 22 chiefs, maybe I'm not giving them enough love

because their defense by the end was playing well, but then it didn't in the Super Bowl, didn't much of the season. And this is where I really struggle. So I think the three best Super Bowl winners since the last time it was in New Orleans are the 24 Eagles, the 13 Seahawks, and the 14 Patriots. When I when I wrote it down, actually was the order. It might be recency bias because I had the Seahawks there for most of it.

And then you think about the 2014 Patriots and that is what my heart wants to say. But if you go through just position by position, I think this Eagles team has a case to be made of where they are right now and the way that they finish this season. I think the finish of the season is crucial here. And if you're weighing like how they're playing

at the end, boy, does that matter. They won the championship game and the Super Bowl by a combined 50 points, which is the third highest in NFL history behind the 84 bears and the 89-9ers. And I don't even count that because it should be 66 points or whatever. Like that game was 40 to 6. Like you could say, well, like maybe the commanders were not quite championship game caliber. And I do like I wish that we had gotten to see them play the Lions just to see that matchup. But I mean, you know, 50 points is 50 points.

And the, and the Super Bowl game was insane. I do like I just from a talent standpoint and that is the story of this of this team is that they are just so talented you look at the the season they played and you could say they played like four complete games all year long and they still you know they only lost three games and they played their best football at the end of the season no doubt about it and in the superalizer talked about in a game where like sayquan barkley who was the star of the season gets mostly muted like they they still put up 40 points and dominate and I'm glad to hear you put them at that level and it's not just

me who was so close no I think it's the only reason why I wanted to do this exercise yeah it's the reason I want to do this exercise I was like there's no way there's more than three or four that are better and then I I went through it and it's funny because I'm looking at one note card I had them first on the other I like had the see this is why I would be bad at being on one you could argue the Seahawks yeah I haven't really made up my mind here's the case for the Seahawk they had a good case kind of like the Eagles this year where even the losses they had that season were very close which actually the Eagles did have that one decisive loss

it was back in week four against the bucks but the Seahawks all their all their games were close they had a great postseason run they beat the Packers is a very good Packers team pretty convincingly they beat a really good 49ers team in that NFC championship you know that that was tight but it was good and then you have that Super Bowl which finishes in a similar way to this one and you look at the players that are on this team and it's mostly defense like that was the year that Legion of Boom actually finished number one in defensive

DVOA that was their best defensive season and all these potential future Hall of Famers showing out against a historic offense scoring wise in the Super Bowl the one thing you could hold against him is over the course of the season, you know, 10th in offense, is 2013 Russell Wilson, you know, at the level of a Brady or Mahomes? Like, no, it's, he's obviously not. Neither is Jalen Hertz. Although Jalen Hertz, you know, is playing excellent in the postseason. And so is Russell Wilson. But, you know, the quarterback, maybe the offense is a little lower, but, you know, you got Marchion. There's a lot going with that team. That is an awesome team. It's tough to make a case against them. I think that if I'm thinking about like how that game would

actually play out. I mean, Marshall Lynch is so awesome. But I just don't think anybody was running on this Eagles defense. And so I think, like, I feel pretty good about that side of the matchup from the Eagles. On the other side, like, I mean, I'm not saying they could put up 40 on the Legion of Boom, but I think between having multiple, because they have answers on, on Sequin and the guy, and AJ Brown and DeMonte Smith on the outside, I feel like they would be able to find more answers than. Well, if anyone would have answers, it would be that Seahawks. team in the passing game.

I think they would make Jalen Hertz look closer to the regular season, Jalen Hertz. And so then it would come down to like which defenses can make big plays and which team could run the ball, maybe a little better. Like between Sequin and Marshawn Lynch, like who actually gets it down? How many Hall of Famers on that Seahawks team? Do you know offhand? I mean, Earl Thomas isn't even getting close, which is crazy. Yeah.

Right now. No, I think he should. He should be. Yeah. I feel like he was up for, I think he was. eligible this year and he didn't even make the finalist like let's take us back to how people actually thought about it back then he was the best safety in league easily for a number of like come on um hall of fame caliber players we're talking like earl thomas richard sherman russell wilson

a very young bobby wagner just starting out yeah michael michael bett it won't get the credit and neither will cliff averil but they're a they're like closer to jalen carter level than they are to josh sweat the way they were playing at that point that was right a complete Completely sick, edge duo. And then, like, really good offensive players do, like, a good offensive line. You have, have obviously Baldwin at receiver, maybe not as good at receiver, but still a very good team. And then the Eagles team, you've got, you've got Lane Johnson, A.J. Brown, Sequin, potentially, you know, maybe Jalen Carter, you think is on that path.

And then there's obviously Tanner McKay. And then the case for the Patriots, which I think is a strong one. at first they had them first that year was like a collision course all season Patriots Seahawks is the best Patriots team that they had had since 2007 balanced you know top five six in in offense and defense very good on offense especially Brady basically in his prime which that's an edge over Russell Wilson and Jalen Hertz and they they ended up beating the Legion of Boom, the number one defense coming off that title, trying to win

two in a row. Their offense was better that year as well. So that year was great. It reminded me a Saints Colts when they played in the Super Bowl, where it was the clear number one offense versus the clear number one defense, and both teams are great around them, great head coaches, obviously a great ending,

and they had to come back in that game. There's a case there for the Patriots. Yeah, I think it depends what you're measuring. I think that is a more impressive you know, string of defeats than that the Eagles had in the playoffs, potentially. They also waxed Andrew Luck Colts, like 45 to 7 in the AMC champions. A very similar type of championship game performance to the Eagles against the team that was just overmatched. A similar divisional round where the Eagles, you know, scrape through.

And, you know, I wonder what the Rams are thinking about today, by the way. Yeah. That's the one, you know, you mentioned the Julio Jones play from the 2017 season. And I mean, that's the one what if from this Eagles run is, you know, Jalen Carter doesn't make those two plays at the end of the game to the Rams go and score. And maybe they do. That's the thing is like all these teams, even in the top four, if you look at like the 2019 chiefs, they're down 10 late in the third or going into the fourth against the 49ers in the Super Bowl. The Patriots were down 14 points twice in the divisional round and have to start like almost breaking the rules with the types of plays they're coming up with against the Ravens to like somehow come back in that game. and like scrape through.

All these teams have close calls the Seahawks had against the 49ers. Did you think about who was the best of the Super Bowl losers? No. The Eagles would certainly be up there. I think the 2017 Patriots would be up there. Yeah. I think the 2014 Seahawks that you talked about as well, losing to the 2014. I think the first 49ers team that lost would have been up there.

But man, this is stupid offseason stuff. I'm happy to be in the offseason. Football's back. as they say um funny you say that and so you know i started the show and just started saying that because that's like a just a stupid bit i had that like people are always saying football is back like through every point of the off season and that would be like a fun um little outro there and just kept just kept going with it but football's not back now i don't think i can keep using it i think you're retiring i think it's done right i mean it's serve its purpose

they had fun what's the what's the we go footballs forward i don't know this is it's a problem that i am solving in real time you're making me panic um but i do want to talk a little bit football is we we uh i'm excited about this time of year specifically like it's a pretty mad dash to the combine we're we're less than two weeks away from the combine and it's like free agency like franchise tags start next week. I'm going to do a tag primer tomorrow, just like going over who's getting tagged, who's not with Nick Shook. Pretty soon the top 101 free agents are going to be out. We're going to do some offseason previews. And then free agencies here in like four weeks, essentially.

And so it's kind of a mad dash to get there. And this is, this is, I'm calling this Greg season. Greg season. This is. Yeah. How about Greg season's back? Jordan, Jordan set that up for me that it's just like, all right, this is, this is Greg season. So I am, I am fired up. I'm hoping, And everyone stays tuned in on these daily shows. Bo, what a feeling. It's got to be for you. You kind of won the Super Bowl. It's got to be good for the downloads, good for the business.

It's not bad to cover a champion. You know, what's funny is, you know, we did so much work last week, right? We did nine shows over the course of the thing. You know, I was like up until, up till, you know, 5 a.m. on Sunday night writing. And the one piece of feedback I got from the higher-ups is I also took a video of Jalen Hertz, you know, sitting in the hallway with the Lombardi Trophy as he's smoking his cigar. It's like a nine-second video. And it was like, hey, great job with that video. And it's like the most, it's the most downloaded video in the history of all city.

It's like, wow. You know what? This is what we do, baby. It's all for that. well it if nothing else it pays it pays for your trip and then some and then some you should convince them like hey send me every year i can get i can get you videos like that i got all kinds of nine second videos in me yeah even if the eagles don't make it i mean i can only imagine um you know how much you're going to be crushing your co-host zach birman on a daily

base i can only imagine how how obnoxious the eagles fans are going to be like what is this next week what is this next year going to be like before i say goodbye to you for these eagles fans in the city of philadelphia because you're not that wasn't just like a plucky upstart now you guys are you're two time champions two out of three years making it you got to feel great about what's coming up next year in the next few years give me just a quick preview of what philadelphia like how obnoxious we can expect the eagles fans coming into stadiums going to be yeah i mean as obnoxious as it gets uh that's There's pride in the obnoxiousness. We got the parade on Friday moved because of impending rain, so that'll be fun.

And then, yeah, I mean, I think I would expect that if the Eagles come out slow in the first half of week one, expect the booths to rain down. So, yeah, things are going to change, but they will be atop those powerings. Let's hit the music, please. Rambling over here. Like I said, I'll be back on Thursday. It's going to be with Nick Shook. We also have a great interview with Kobe Turner, but we talk to a little franchise tag on that show.

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