NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Where will Kaepernick, Goff end up?

Episode Date: February 29, 2016

A room filled with heroes – Dan Hanzus, Marc Sessler, Chris Wesseling, and Gregg Rosenthal – discuss all the latest news from around the NFL, including reports that Peyton Manning is set to announce his retirement soon, and quarterback Colin Kaepernick’s agents requesting a trade from the 49ers. Then, the heroes check in with NFL.com draft analyst Lance Zierlein for a full breakdown of the hottest prospects from the 2016 Scouting Combine.Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Check it out on iTunes. or NFL.com slash podcasts. The Around the NFL podcast received a first round grade from Mike Mayock. Welcome back to another edition of the Around the NFL podcast. My name is Dan Hansis and I am joined by room filled with heroes. Mark Sessler, Chris Wessling and Greg Rosethall. What's up, boys? Hey, Dan.

Some ailing heroes over on the kissing cousin's side. uh double bronco i call it uh you were calling up say oh here jeez i am uh by the way for the listeners that don't know the kissing cousins corner is a reference to mark sessler and in chris wessling who both have made out with kirk cousins nice footnote uh gregg yes both west and mark i believe have bronchitis is that correct no i'm i'm on the up the up and up but i will tell you i am i've been studying the happenings of last week closely and i am pretty convinced that I was poisoned by somebody. Whoa.

A rival. Do you have a rival? I think I do now. Yeah, we'll have to piece that together. So you're saying someone from another media entity that was in Indianapolis. I didn't say another media entity. Oh, a general rival. No, I don't know.

It could be from this media. I don't know. Someone was like, I'm going to take this guy out of the equation. Someone inside this building potential? I don't know. I have started to get closer to it. It's like that German governor that, remember that guy was poisoned? You're casting an awfully wide net here.

Well, I feel it, though. I trust my instincts. Is it Michael Fabiano? Yeah, it's a little weird. You're just throwing that out there that you think. Why would Fabiano even want to do that? I didn't just throw it out there. I didn't say a word about it last week.

I've slowly let this boil. I'm doing my research. Now I'm ready to give you the first. That's the first part of it. I've not gotten to the second part. This is fitting Spotlight won the Oscar last night for Best Picture. And now you're your own personal spotlight brigade, trying to figure out who's poisoning.

Who is poisoning Mark Sessler? Sounds like a great dateline with Keith Morrison. This is the Monday edition of the Around the NFL podcast, sponsored by no one. And if you're out there, let me just give you some, you know, specs. Over 20 million downloads, a nice mix of news, football news, mirth, and, you know, a general sense of communication and bonding between. the audience and the talent in the old studio. Undeniable chemistry.

And don't forget the high-octane analysis. Yes, the analysis, above all, especially when you have the mailman here. Wes came in to work. He's working from home trying to kick this. He's got a big trip to Tybee Island coming up, Wes, and you need to get healthy because literally there's a good chance you do not survive. You come home in a box, bro, if you don't get healthy before you get to Tybee Island. Because I know what happens when you get there.

I am on several different medications trying to kick this bronchitis before I hit Tybee Island. Should have stayed home. I don't know. I feel physically exhausted, but mentally agile. I like that. So Wes here, physically exhausted, mentally agile. Mark denying that he's sick, but as he hacks into his mic, a very gross scene over there, Greg. And I'm happy that you're healthy as am I.

We're feeling good. Yeah. For now. Kiss of death, exactly. Maybe we'll be poisoned, who knows. Today's show is, I call this one, meat and potatoes. Meat and potato show here in the, around the NFL podcast. We're going to hit a lot of news.

The last time we were with you, where you were at the 30-yard line on the field at Lucas Oil Stadium, the hollowed grounds, where we did kind of our combine on-the-scene recap podcast. We have the satellite heroes involved. Everybody had a great time. but now since that happened there's been a lot of news kicking around in the NFL's free agency approaches

it's like a week away now isn't it Greg it is what nine days away we start the next Wednesday and we'll be we'll be appearing if you guys listening

want to watch you guys should watch free agency frenzy on NFL network we're going to be appearing as a group three times next week during all the madness so we'll let you know more info on that excellent And then, so that's the meat.

We're going to do a lot of news. But Datas is going to be Lance Zeerline, who is an NFL.com draft analyst. We're going to have them on for the first time. I had a chance to get some dinner and drinks with Lance last year at the combat. Nice bro. Greg, you speak highly of him as well, I believe. Yeah, I've known him for 10 years or so. He does a radio show in Houston.

So we are the first to admit, Mark, that we are not draft Nix. So we reach out to talent around. us to help guide us through the actual combine weekend and everything that played out from Friday until Monday and what to make of it all as the draft approaches as well mark yeah i think it's also a message to any other so-called draft nick inside the house that didn't have time to meet with us we're going to go to lance we're going to spread our net if you don't have time to be on our show then we're going to find someone who does and although his name will not be called yet spice rack better be prepared the next time we get him on the line, your desert consigliary in matters of draft analysis.

I think he knows he needs to up his game a little bit. Okay. So now we have a lot to get to, and to do that, we start with Sydney. And yes, this is Sydney's final week with the Iran and the NFL podcast, at least for now. She has to go away for a little while, not to prison. It's the labor rules here NFL media. It's really not something we care to get into, but she has to go away for a while. but we got three more shows.

Right. You went right to prison there. I'm not sure why I deserve that, but. Well, I thought usually when someone's going away for a while, that's a nice way of saying that you're going to the camp. Big house. Yeah. Unless you seek temporary employment in the state of California.

Sydney, you would be ranked number one on my list of people least likely to go to prison. Oh, thanks. Where would Mark rank on? Feeling good about that. You did pretty high up there. I'd pick a child. Hey, Sydney.

Yeah, we'll talk. We're going to talk all through the week about Sydney's last week. But for now, let's do some news. Brady's going to play till he's 70. Belichick's going to coach till he's 90. Maybe I hit the fountain of you sometime in the next month and play another 10 years. I hope Peyton said that 10 years ago. Because it's time, Peyton.

And there was a report that floated out there this weekend from Woody Page of the Denver Post. this is also something that Ian Rappaport had kind of been kicking around himself, but it did get some traction with Woody Page that Manning will, quote, acknowledge his decision to retire by the end of the week. Rappaport reported back on February 1 that Manning told close friends that he expected to retire during the offseason. However, Manning has not told anyone in the Broncos organization about his plans to retire. Rap report reported on Saturday.

So it's all still pretty murky. It all seems like it's heading in a certain direction, but we should, Greg, have word by Friday, right? It's got to be coming very soon now. You would expect it, and it makes sense because he had multiple conversations with John Elway last week. It's like, what are they talking about? They're talking about the plan of how they're going to roll out this retirement

or whatever it is. I mean, what else could they possibly be chatting about? There's been some back and forth, and the Denver Post actually revised the Woody Page article. The reality is it's just a matter of time. It has to be, I would think, at the latest, a week from today, Monday. But you would think it's going to be by the end of the week. So we're getting our Peyton Manning retirement content ready.

It's not too early. We've had it ready for three months. Yeah, that's true. We had a few things ready. Whatie Page? That's the guy with the etch-a-sketching behind him. He's breaking news now, huh? Okay.

I mean, obviously something was said between Elway and Manning, too, because the ridiculous delay to talk to Brock Osweiler and begin negotiations with him, well, that ended the minute the Combine started. And they got together, and not that that wouldn't have happened anyways, but you're already planning if you're the Broncos for life without Peyton Manning.

Even if Manning said I'm not retiring, he's not playing in Denver. So it's going to be a weird drama if he ever stuck around. He's not going to. He's gone. I have a Cessler. Uh-oh. Peyton Manning announces his retirement on Wednesday.

press conference Thursday no announces it tomorrow Tuesday that would be Tuesday press conference Wednesday 48 hours of morning slash celebration Friday Brock Isle Isle-Ilar contract announced by the Broncos

it's perfect time everything will be done by the end of the week they'll give the respectful two days for everyone to shower Peyton with praise and then Denver moves on I like it makes a lot of sense to me Von Miller, we'll see if he gets the franchise tag.

You might, by the time you hear this, the deadline is Tuesday at 4 p.m. Eastern. But this is all working out well for Brock Oswell. I think we in this room said, well, they've seen him for four years. They should know how they value him. I think they're going to value him with a big time deal. I mean, he's not going to make Peyton Manning money quite, but it probably will be a little closer than you'd expect.

Like Alex Smith money? Nick Foles money? Alex Smith or more money. Yeah, I think he's going to get. how it'll be something i think that's maybe the first two years are guaranteed and that's it and then you figure out like andy doughton money yeah a little bit moving on to more quarterback talk shortly after we taped our podcast on thursday a report from nfell media's rand getlin surfaced that capernick's agents have her colin capernick's agents have requested a trade from the san francisco 49ers um so uh all of a sudden capernick this was

was after Greg had your big moment in the sun during the press conferences where Trent Balky said, listen, we fully expect him to be on our roster after April 1st where all that money's due. Now, Rand, Gettlin's report comes out and I guess throws a little bit of haziness over the whole thing. Absolutely. Ian Rappaport reported that the Texans and the Cleveland Browns market could both have some interest if that were to be the case.

So I call it murky. Mark, what's your thoughts? I'm going to give you a little trade offer. A fourth round draft pick for Colin Kaepernick. Do you take them? I don't. Cleveland's got the number two pick in the draft. You can go get someone fresh.

I don't understand the big draw to Colin Kaepernick. Although the only reason that I think that there's credence beyond just agents, spouting stuff off to certain people, is that really, basically, technically Colin Kaepernick has been a fascination of Hugh Jackson dating back to when they wanted to draft him in Oakland. Hugh Jackson has sung his praises quite distinctly. So there may be something there, but I find at this stage in Kaepernick's career, that's kind of a tough sell. And I guess you've got to have a lot of confidence if you're a coach that you think you can turn his career around. I'd like to see him with the Rams. I know that we always

say teams don't trade within the division, but it happens once in a while. I don't know. To me, That's the most obvious choice of a team desperately in need of a quarterback. If you were the Niners, you could trade him to the Rams and not have any fear of him becoming 2012 Kaepernick again. Come on. Is it Jeff Fisher is going to be the guy that turns the key? What I'm saying? If you want to bury Colin Kaepernick, send him to L.A. The whole story is strange.

And if I'm a 49ers fan watching all this, they're the big losers in this. Because you change coaches. You have Chip Kelly. Okay, now we want Colin Kaepernick back. And yet I now have the feeling again, this is a circus. I mean, they were telling the media, Chip Kelly, Trent Balke, we want Kaepernick. He's our guy.

A day before the agent tells, you know, when we find out that he's requested a trade, that his agents requested a trade, didn't they know? I mean, they must have known that at the time that they're going public. You're only guessing, but were they playing? some sort of game where they're making it look like they really wanted Colin Kaepernick because that's the only way they could possibly trade him and have any leverage and have

the rest of the NFL feel like they're not just going to cut this guy because what are they going to get for Colin Kaepernick I've tried to figure this out and I would think what you said Dan fourth round pick to me that's like a best case scenario I don't know if they're going to do any better than that and I know money is involved in his contract maybe is built in a friendly manner for teams, but don't we always say just get as many good quarterbacks as you can or the most talent you can and see

which one shakes out? Yeah, as long as he's not going to be a disturbance, though, if you bring in Kaepernick, and if he's part of who he wants to be traded to, he isn't okay or a say in that, and then he goes somewhere and then they draft someone, and Kaepernick shoved into the background again, I don't know if that's

the guy you want sitting on the bench. How about the idea? We'll go back to the Browns again since one of the teams Ian laid out. Like, what if you give up a fourth round pick, which is not a high value draft pick, you get Kaepernick, you go get your guy, whoever you want. Oh, yeah, I don't think they want to prevent them from taking it. You don't have to, like this thing now that you always have to start a top five quarterback or whatever, first round quarterback right away, see what Kaepernick can do.

Maybe you'll end up with a good problem. Well, I guess it's March. Nobody expected Ryan Fitzpatrick to do what he did with the Jets. That's fair, but I guess it's March. So any quarterback who's available is going to be vastly overrated. And Greg, you and I heard different things from Trent Balky last week. I heard I've got Blaine Gabbard on the same level as Colin Kaepernick, and we're going to look out to the organization for more help. That did not sound at any point to me like Colin Kaepernick was going to be the quarterback for the 49ers.

Well, Kelly, we know, wants Kaepernick, or we think he wants Kaepernick. Ian has reported steadfastly that even after the trade request that the 49ers truly do want Kaepernick and see him as their potential starter. Or they're trying to keep a semblance of trade value. That's possible. But the weirdest thing about this is for all this to happen, Kaepernick and his representatives need permission from the 49ers to seek a trade. And there was a hint from Jed York when he talked about it that the agents haven't even necessarily, they hadn't even talked.

No one was talking. This is all through the media. And it's all smoke and mirrors and strange things going on. And I think the 49ers have been one of the worst run, is in the league since since the middle or the the last Jim Harbaugh year and this just makes me think it's keep going in other 49ers news anthony davis the right tackle who abruptly stepped away from the game last June he will be coming back to the 49ers according to randgetland he plans to apply for reinstatement to the league he was the right tackle for the

nineers last year a starter so I don't know how good Anthony Davis is I guess You know, he's okay, but he would probably present an upgrade at least to depth and maybe steps back into the starting lineup. Major upgrade. They had the worst right side of the offensive line in the league last year. In other news, let's talk a little franchise pop. Franchise tag pop. We'll start with my team, the New York Jets. Muhammad Wilkerson, Kim Jones of NFL media reported on Monday that the Jets will put the franchise

tag on Wilkerson by Tuesday's 4 p.m. Eastern deadline that most likely ensures Wilkerson's back, although there's always the opportunity against the Jets. And I've seen this floated around in some places that they could do a tag and trade type situation with Wilkerson. But to me, that doesn't make sense. The Jets have a veteran roster. They're built to make a run now trading away your best defensive player or best defensive lineman doesn't seem to be a great move toward that goal.

So we'll see if the Jets can get a long-term done. Wilkerson if not and they don't trade him he'll play under a 15.7 million dollar salary so a nice raise for him I know he's probably going to sit out camp he's got a broken leg anyway or he's recovering from surgery but I don't think he's going to be happy about this just like he wasn't happy last spring we didn't get a deal but we'll track this situation number three on the top 99 NFL.com free agency list take him off now we'll have a nice fresh post tag of the top 99 on Tuesday up. We'll talk about it.

Get rid of all these guys. Mo's not free anymore. I think I could be happy with $15.7 million for a year. It could be very happy. I know. And it's a weird thing. The Jets are in a win now mode. I think they should be because they have a lot of talent on the roster right now.

Even though the quarterback situation is weird, it's a win. It's, let's win right now. They're not, they're not. And not trade Mo Wilkeshers. Yeah, let's win some games. In other franchise news, rap sheet reports that the bill's expected franchise left tackle Cordy Glenn. 13 and a half million.

Nice scratch if you can get it. They don't have a lot of salary cap room right now, the bills, but they're not going to let a left tackle out the door. The one deal that's done, the Ravens have put the franchise tag on kicker, Justin Tucker, four and a half million to kick balls. Another deal is done, Alshon Jeffrey. Alshon Jeffrey, very good call, West.

The Bears, that was reported last week that it was happening and is now official. And finally, Rams cornerback, Jermaine Johnson. And Rapsheet said at St. Louis, or excuse me, Los Angeles is leaning toward using the tag on Johnson, which puts Janors Jenkins is his future with the Rams up in the air. He'll make a lot of money, but maybe not with L.A. Janores Jenkins was not too thrilled about the state of affairs that Tremaine Johnson is getting the tag and Jenkins isn't getting a long-term deal. Jenkins, who has a very interesting Twitter handle.

What is it? Mr. Pick 6S slash Clamps. That's terrible. S is short for a... Like poop? Curse word, yes. Well, I think all season it was clamp season or something like that. He changed the name.

It was something like clamp season. I don't know. There was stuff about getting your money. I don't think he can be... He can't be Mr. Pick 6 if Matt Shob's already got that Twitter handle. Oh, Wes. It's a little bit of a red flag for a guy who had a lot of red flags coming out of college. and for the most part has exceeded expectations

that the Rams are taking the less flashy option of the two and just saying so long to Gennoris Jenkins because Janoris Jenkins might not be happy about this but he's probably going to make a lot of money as a free agent on the open market. It's not a bit bad deal for it. Well, he's more than just exceeded it. I mean, what was written about him before he was drafted

characterized him as one of the lowest ranking human beings on the planet and you haven't heard a word from the guy since he joined the team. I mean, he has not done anything off the field, and it's a bad team planning when you have to go try to sign two starting cornerbacks in one off season. Not easy to do.

Well, you could say they drafted well four years ago. Well, they did draft well. He's the next DeAngelo Hall. Do you want that? Meanwhile... By the way, with Alsan Jeffrey, not on the list. Lots to get to today, Greg.

Now that Alson Jeffrey's not a free agent, it's the worst free agent class of all time, these wide receivers. Now that he's not going out there. Marvin Jones is your... Harvin Sanoon, give me $100 million. Top wide receiver. Forget it.

Meanwhile, I don't mean to rush you, Greg. You have great insights. You're talking about. We got plenty of time. I got an internal clock in my head. You've got one out there. I know we're in good shape. I can feel the show and how it's doing.

I can just feel it. You're doing great, Greg. Meanwhile, on the throne of ease. Here they come, Mark. Fluttering in. Angels. So many of them. Cherips.

Little boys, harps. Tom Brady. You know, he said back in October, he wants to play another 10 years. Who knows, it could happen. I'll kill myself if it does, and he's still effective. On Monday. That could be a good sandwich, bet. If I kill myself?

Yeah, well, like, if he plays 10 more years, you kill yourself. At a high level, like, he would have to post a pass a rating over 90, over the average of those 10 years, and then I will jump off a bridge. I'll jump off the Georgia-Washington Bridge. uh the midspan between new and if he does retire you know you get a sandwich so that's big the patriots on monday reached an agreement on a two-year contract extension with brady keeping him under contract uh through the 2019 season uh at at which time he will be that was report from bert breer by the way uh let's see he's turning 39 this year that's 2016 how's your man 2017 would mean he's a 40 year quarterback

2018 would mean he's a 41. 45 on a state mandated map test. 42 years old by the end of this contract. Yeah, maybe he'll beat the odds. But yes, this is a what, Mark, you break it down for us a little bit. The money end of it is another team friendly deal for the Patriots to keep the best quarterback. I mean, the last I checked, did we, I don't think we had the financials on it. But they, I would assume it is because everything Brady does helps their.

cap, eases any sort of cap hit, and basically allows the team to chase more Super Bowls. Now, we don't know if that's how this is going to work out, but what? It's a $15 million cap hit for this year and $16 next year. That's remarkable for what Tom Brady brings. And then so the next two final years will see. That's what I'm saying. That makes me think that maybe they're giving them some more guaranteeing money in the short term, and maybe it's lowering it a little bit.

But you're right. He has a lower cap figure right now. than Colin Kaepernick, who is one of the worst quarterbacks in the league last year. He has a lower cap hit by a good margin than Alex Smith. That's crazy. He's worth 25 or 30 million a year. Well, I think he's worth 50 to 70 if there's no salary cap. They're vastly underpay.

I mean, it's great for the fans. It's great for teams. But imagine what a quarterback would be worth in the open market. Just a true open market. What quarterback? This quarterback? Tom Brady five years ago even say it'd be worth 50 to 70 million bucks a year wouldn't he Yes would be a fascinating guy actually if let's say there was no salary cap and he was a free agent like baseball

Yeah what would you but what would you give and I know once again nobody thinks tom Brady will ever get old But what would you give 39 year old tom Brady in the open market could he get a like a rod type deal or would his age scare off teams? I don't know It's not going to be good forever guys hate to break the news to you Dan, I will continue to carry the water for the Patriots up and down the hill because I respect the organization. But I'm beginning to start seeing things your ways when it comes to their fans. We've had multiple fans request to stop with the Throne of Ease charade because they think that the Patriots have had it pretty hard. And I want to slap all of them. I do get a lot of twos like, Dan, Throne of E's and Throne of E's and Throne of Sleeves, that was kind of funny at first, but now it just feels petty.

It's like, bro, it was always petty. All right. So, yeah, Brady's got that deal locked in. You're happy, Greg. And we don't know the details exactly, but I'm sure it works out for both sides. Ha, ha, ha, glory, B, to Jesus, Brady. Well, the annoying Patriot fan angle today is,

well, okay, now they should trade Garapolo for a first round pick. A, I don't know if you could do that. Nothing's changed about Garapolo. This contract doesn't mean anything. Brady's year to year. That's how a first-round pick going to do for a team. And it's great to have a great backup,

a promising backup. They're already going to be the favorites for the Super Bowl next year. They don't need a first-gris. It's more value for them than anyone else. And I get why he would be worth a first-round pick because when Brady was suspended those four games, Gropolo played out of his mind.

Oh, wait, Jimmy Gropolo's never played a meaning of the snap in the NFL. Of course he's worth the first-round pick. And see, you know, that's what happens every time this time of year. It's like every great free agent that gets connected to New England, every trade is some monster trade that makes New England even better. It doesn't make sense for either. You are the Yankees. That's what I'm saying.

Why would another team give up a first round pick for Garoppola? But why would the Patriots trade their Tom Brady insurance in a Super Bowl window for a first round? They just invested two years of training this guy. They've got to feel pretty good about him. They use the second round pick that's only moving up one round. It'd be crazy. I love having no old Jimmy G on the sidelines. I bet you do.

Let's keep talking old quarter. back's Tony Romo. He's in his mid-30s now, I believe he'll be 36 this season. And Desmond Pernell NFL media's Texas reporter, Texas-based reporter said Saturday that Romo is, quote, leaning toward getting a plate inserted to reinforce his collarbone, but he won't make a decision until after a scan. And, you know, we'll see what happens with this. We'll see if it actually does go down. But I just want to throw in a, you know, a comment here. that this feels like Tony Romo is in a dangerous situation here when I hear about metal plates being inserted in.

Is this guy one more broken clavicle away from his career being in danger? It sounds like a situation where the Cowboys have every right to be very concerned that Romo may be a liability, high liability for the rest of his career and maybe is one more hit away from it being over. They got to have somebody lined up that they could believe in. Why didn't he have this surgery two months ago when he was leaning towards, having a plate inserted in his color. Why did he come back in the first place?

Well, I had to, there was medical reasons. I'm not an expert, but it was something about everything had to recover to a certain point until you could decide what to do, which was not have a surgery at all, get the plate removed, or like shave off part of the bone on your collarbone, which sounds terrible, but people have tried that. But your point is well said, Dan, since week 13 of 2013, he's had back surgery and three broken collarbones. Two broken collar, I think three broken collarins ended Charles Rogers' career, if I'm not

mistaken. There's no reason to assume he's ever going to be healthy for a full season again. It'd be great if he was. Charles Rogers, the Lions Wide Receiver? Yeah. I don't think that's what ended his career. Well, a lot of them. I think the fact that he was terrible and couldn't stay out of jail ended his career.

It all feels a little foreboding with Tony. Well, I more and more convinced. Remember, the Cowboys coached Carson Went to the Senior Bowl and loved him. They raved about him. And so if he ever fell to where they are number four, I could see them drafting a quarterback. It sounds like a draft sandwich prop coming up from Mark Sessler. I don't think he's going to get to number four.

Not the way this whole thing seems to be going. But if that all changed, I think they would take. Titans are trying to get out of that pick, that number one pick. You little nervous about that? Listen, Cleveland has drafted like 26 quarterbacks. I'm not nervous about anything. Are you about to have a Chris Rose moment? I'm not nervous about anything.

What Chris Rose said on NFL Network Isn't even one-eighth What we've said on this show about the Browns So I feel for him getting lashed for that Yeah Who was he referring to? Might as well just For those that don't know who are you talking about

He was talking about Carson Wentz Yeah, it was Wentz He was heard off-mic or off-camera Saying that the next Former Cleveland Browns quarterback He is a Browns fan So he is a laugh It's like when you talk about your own brother

You can say whatever you want You know you just should have said it on camera It's just a joke. But you're right. I think people won't be surprised at all if the top two quarterbacks are gone by number four. I think teams are going to think that maybe they have to trade up to three in San Diego to get ahead of Dallas to take one of those two quarterbacks.

In other sandwich prop news, Mark Sessler, the Baltimore Ravens are in discussions with Trent Richardson, the former Browns washout running back, went up to the Colts, bomb there. I went to the Raiders. Didn't work out there. We have a standing sandwich prop bet. Not a bet.

We don't bet here. A sandwich prop that if Richardson never plays another snap, I don't owe you a sandwich. If he does play another snap in a regular season game, I should say. I owe you two sandwiches. I have no fear of Trent Richardson. How do you even know when this bet ends this sandwich prop? It goes on in perpetuity. But, Dan, this was one of Dan's great.

prognostations because it was correct number one whatever is that even prognostications it was almost you were right number one and i am with you i am not going to sit around wondering if trent richardson is going to make this team or any team he's shown no ability number one with months warning to show up to camp even in shape there's a complete lack of desire to play last we check so let's see if that changes so you're done rooting for trent richardson in other words you're done rooting for trent richardson in other words. I'm not rooting for Trent Richardson. I'm not waiting seven months to find out if I get a sandwich.

This is one of those Sessler days, by the way. Dark Sessler? A little dark. The earbuds are in at the desk. He's kind of over everything. Well, I'm getting over a sickness, you know. I was like, I'm just going to get here and do my job. The words, nothing matters has been said.

It did come out today. Mark did not get to drink a single beer at the combine, and somebody's going to pay for that. Thank you. That's true. It needs at some point that everything. needs to bounce out. It was like mid-era Minsk, Russia.

Just go to work, pound your hammer, go home, and go to sleep. The candle burn out. Wait, mid-Arab Minsk. I don't know. Well, late period, Minsk wouldn't make any sense. It doesn't even exist anymore. The landscape of which is remarkably similar to 2013, New Jersey, on our Super Bowl trip. In other NFC East News, the Eagles are willing to listen to trade offers for

DeMarco Murray, uh, no, duh, uh, this according to NFL media insider Ian Rappaport who reported Friday, uh, that teams league-wide are receiving the following message in Indianapolis. Murray remains unhappy in Philly, trading the veterans, uh, runner, uh, should prove to be difficult, but the Eagles are listening, uh, according to sources. Wes, you're not the biggest DeMarco Murray fan in his current incarnation. Is there any chance, though, with a change of scenery and running in a different offense, it's getting back to being more downhill type guy that he could still be an effective NFL running back.

That's a fair statement, and I love how you put that. And his current incarnation, we don't know what his current incarnation is. The last time we saw him play, and for the last 17 games or 20 games we've seen him play, he hasn't been a shadow of what he was to open up the 2014 season. Then again, in the NFL we never know from year to year, when a guy's legs reappear, whether he's done for good, may be worth a chance for a team to take a roll of dice on him.

But we always hear that you can't trade for a player because of his contract. And then a week later, we see the trade go through as the player agrees to a much lesser deal. That's possible. I could see him going back to Dallas. But we also know he's more likely to be the guy we saw last year than he is to be the guy we saw in 2014. Because he's played five seasons in the NFL. In one of those seasons, he topped 200. 17 rushing attempts.

That was 392 attempts plus the playoffs in 2014. He had 497 touches that year. Maybe he doesn't respond from that. And the Eagles are listening to trade offers. Yeah, that's great. I'm sure Peyton Manning is listening to $25 million contract offers. And Mark Sessler's listening to a big-time trade with Sports Illustrated that's going to buy him a house on the hill and be mayor of Cincinnati.

I don't know. It doesn't make any sense at all. Who's going to be the mayor of Cincinnati? Well, Mark would love to be. I think I would like the political power. The headphones would be in by this third day in the office. Nobody come in here. Of course they're listening to.

No one's going to be offering trades for DeMarco Marie. Well, if he's going to go anywhere, though, off his own power, it's going to be Dallas because, as Ian pointed out over the weekend, and he's building a house there, it's what he considers his home. If he's going to accept more money, like you said, he's not going to go anywhere with his current deal. Then it's going to be Big D on a different deal. He'd have to take a monster.

And he deserves to after what we saw last season. I agree. And finally, the Indianapolis Colts did something that I was so happy to hear about. They made the decision to move on from veteran quarterback Matt Hasselbeck. That according to Michael Silver, Hasselbeck is 40 years old. And when Andrew Luck was pressed. At all? Yeah, I know.

He's younger than you and I, Mark. When Mark doesn't like to acknowledge that. When Andrew Luck was injured, he was pressed... Much older than Dan and I, by the way. Nonsense. He wanted to throw that out there. When he was pressed into action, when luck went down, it was grim. Every week, the man was taking a pounding.

And he still had another start left by the end of the season, and he was telling the media, I have nothing left. My body can give you no more. And all I could think of was Duke from Rocky. Tony Burton was the actor. he actually passed away last week, Apollo's trainer and Rocky 4 when Drago kills Creed in the ring. And Duke goes, throw in the damn towel!

That's how I feel about Matt Hasselbeck. Throwing the damn towel. Looks like they... The Colts did. They did it before it was too late. I could see him potentially being a co-worker of yours down the road. Me personally? What about you, Mark?

Sure, any of us. Well, you're going to be gone. I don't know. I'm not going to be gone. go join Sports Illustrated Cincinnati or whatever it is. You had me pegged him. The mayor of Cincinnati. He would never do that.

But, I mean, he has been working on his broadcasting career for season upon season. Hey, and if Andrew Luck had stayed healthy when he first came back from the injury, that would have been one of the great relief pitcher quarterback seasons you'd ever want to have a 40-year-old who came in and won four straight games and looked like he saved the season. In the end, wasn't he a top 10 in your QB rankings at some point? That was after only two games, and one of those games was great. That was really crazy, though, you have to admit. I was saying his average game was better than other people.

I'll stand by it. Hey, Andrew Luck's going to be the highest paid quarterback in the league just about. They played the same amount of snaps, essentially, on the same team last year. And Matt Hasselbeck, even at the end of the year, after all that disaster that he had, had better numbers than Andrew Luck. That's a fact. So you've got to give him credit for that. Great career, by the way. If you could walk into the NFL and be like, I'm not going to be.

a top five higher echelon Aaron Rogers type star but I could have a Matt Hasselback type career forget about it fantastic a little misleading because he was playing as good as like Andrew Luck who I was convinced had like late stage polio

last season but Hasselbeck played very well he was not Andrew Luck well Hasselback got hurt and sick himself that was the problem solid for three or four weeks it's a doom team and he was he went down in the you know he went down with it all right The only thing Hasselbeck wants back is just that lousy Super Bowl.

Also, by the way, thanks a lot of refs. That's what I'm saying. He probably also wants back. We'll take the ball and we're going to win the game. If we're going to win the game. That was fine. Encelbeck's one of the few, one of the rare quarterbacks who, without ever really starting a game, another team trade for him and it turned out really well.

Matt Schaub was sort of like. Yeah. Is he the Hasselbeck that's married to the. No, he's brother Tim Pundit. This is brother Tim. The Survivor chick? Yeah.

That again, that would be Tim. She was on Survivor. She was. She was. She was. It's his brother Tim, Dan. Okay. Thank you, Mark. Mark does answer the question.

Effectively. That's what's happening in the news. All right. Now we move on to the potatoes portion of the show. Meat out of the way. Well, actually, a little meat will come up a little later in this conversation, but we'll get to that. our next

do we have him ready by the way Sydney yeah okay great our guest on the line right now and I don't know if he's in Indianapolis if he's on an airplane he was on NFL now just hours ago wow so this is I mean boots on the ground

NFL dot com draft analyst expert I call him Lance Zerline what's up Lance right here in the crossfires of Indianapolis airport so yeah boots on the ground indeed as I wait to see I've seen some of the players

who are headed to their gates that's one of the things about the combine you go to your gates and then you see all the players who are making their way home got Marquistook is right here next to me as we get ready to have a little celebrity signing Marquista

from NFL now of course and so yeah I'm waiting my flight will even about two and a half hours so got a little time to kill here in the airport doing a podcast beautiful you can grab some bruise

you know before you get going It's been a long week for you. Hey, I'm flying back to a house full of kids, so it's going to be a little stronger than bruise. I always feel bad. On the plane back, there was an offensive lineman that was on my flight that was in a middle seat at least 6-6-300. In coach. Who do you feel more? These players, they're not flying first class for the most part.

Thankfully, he was sitting next to Greg. Yeah, who's got it worse? That guy sitting middle or the people on each side of him? Total bang job. It's a bad job all the way around. Derek Henry was on my flight and got swarmed by a gaggle of middle-aged women from Alabama. Even worse. All right, Lance.

That's easily the worst. How do we want to get into this? I would like, I guess some maybe a big-picture takeaways from your time in Indianapolis and then maybe we'll hone in on a couple different guys or prospects. But some big-picture thoughts about your time at the Combine this year. Well, I always feel like it's very interesting because, you know, my big-picture takeaway is going to be. shaped and molded by what took place on the broadcast I was involved in. You know, and that was Money Smith and as Matt Money Smith and Bucky Brooks and Ike and

MJD, me, Solomon, Wilcox, Mark. So, you know, themes begin to develop when you have a common set of eyes on one thing. And it's easy to see things through one filter where I don't know what was being said on NFL network and what Mike Mayock saw, for example. And so, you know, I think different narratives develop depending on who you're talking to and if you're watching it as a common group, it turns into a group narrative. But what I can tell you is I think we believe, at least, that Laramie Tunsel really solidified himself as the top player in this draft.

And if there's any question about Tunsell versus Bosa, at least from a physical standpoint, Joy Bosa didn't blow anyone away. But you know what, on tape, I didn't think he blew me away physically. It was really not a surprise to me because I didn't, I had him as, I think, the seventh ranked prospect when it was, you know, know, when before the combine started, and I thought he looked about like that for the combine. I think one of the big takeaways is Laramie Tunsell is clearly the best tackle in this draft from a physical standpoint to tape. He's got an advantage over, not a huge one,

he's got an advantage over Ronnie Stanley. And we also, you know, the themes of not a very fast draft from a wide receiver position, but they're big. We saw very fast defensive backs in the first group that we watch today. And Jaylen Ramsey, who was expected to be a combine warrior, was exactly that. I mean, it was a great combine participant in terms of his athleticism. And while it doesn't always matter, you know, sometimes those things can be blown out of proportion. I'm going to tell you right now that it's becoming kind of played out for people to act like

the combine is just the quote-unquote underwear Olympics because there are, there is money being made and lost. And I know, you know, you hear that phrase all the time. is it's overdone, but there truly are draft stock, you know, draft slots that are being, that are being improved and that are being lost, and that equals money. And that, that does happen here. I know the tape is the tape, but if you run a four, six, five, like Harlan Miller from southeastern Louisiana, I don't care how good your tape is. It's harder for one person to stand on the table and bang the table for a guy if his number doesn't, you know,

is going to concern a defensive backs coach. I'm just, just giving you a very specific example. So I do think that the combines absolutely matter. I think it's learning how to interpret where it matters the most and where it matters the least that can be a little tricky for people. Is there any concern with Bosa about in the interview room or generally his passion and love for football? Man, are you referencing that bizarre interview with Mayock and Rich?

I am not. I am even thinking of, first of all, you know, the press conference he has, with the reporters, but also things, you know, you're talking to the scouts and the teams and things come out behind the scenes. Who had a bad interview week? Who had a good interview week? I guess you could address Bosa, and then if anyone else comes to mind of guys that maybe had some red flags in terms of how they interviewed with the teams.

You know, that's the conversation that I'll have now that the combine's over, to be honest with you, that's one where I, once everything slows down, I'm not broadcasting anymore, and these guys have the combine and its totality. find out more this week about how those interviews went. I can't tell you that I know some teams have been a little bit put off by McKinsey Alexander. You know, it's

one thing to have that swagger and have that confidence, but he was almost too over the top with some of his antics behind closed doors. We had bringing in a briefcase and it just turned some teams off a little bit. Oh, yeah, he had a briefcase. So that that probably wasn't the right.

Is he going to be a banker or a football? I mean, he felt like that was the baller move. I'm not sure that that actually was the baller move to bring a briefcase in, especially when you weren't even going to work out. That reminds me of the Simpsons episode where Phil Hartman played their lawyer, and then he took off. He left them high and dry, and then they opened up his briefcase and it was all confetti. Like, what's in there, honestly?

Yeah, I guess that's one thing worth noting that I'm not sure teams were all in love with the briefcase. I mean, these are grown men who are making decisions. You're not going to, you know, you're not going to fool them with a briefcase. That's not really going to be something that makes them think, man. These guys really committed to the crap. He went and got a briefcase full of notes. Isn't it the briefcase kind of over, too? Are we done with the briefcase as a society?

I mean, come on. Let me tell you. It's where it keeps his peanut butter and crackers. Briefcases with draft prospects is ever going to work. Hey, Lance, so Laramie Tunsel feels like the number one guy potentially. What about number two? know when one of your more recent mock drafts, you had Jared Goff going to Cleveland. Any change of opinion after what's happened this weekend?

I don't know. I mean, I thought Carson once was fine. I didn't think he was just a bang-up number one all-star. And now, this is one thing I heard. I heard he had some really good interviews. And I had an opportunity to interview him for the radio. I can tell you this, he comes off as genuine, he comes off as confident, he comes off as a face of the franchise.

He really does. And I like to consider myself a little bit of a BS reader, a little bit of a poker player. And I don't get any sense that he's not going to be everything you want from a mental standpoint. You know, with a physical workout, we'll see. I mean, he's got all the physical tools and traits. But how will he do when the speed of the game, you know,

speeds up and the throwing windows get tighter? We'll find that out. Clearly, from a physical standpoint, I think, think he may be a little bit better fit than Jared Gough in a cold weather location like Cleveland, but Jared Gough is a plug-and-play quarterback where there's no way that Carson Wins is just yet. But if you're making decisions based on who's plug-in-play versus the long-term prospects, then you shouldn't be a general manager.

I mean, that's just the way you need to build with the best possible talents you can find. So let's just say it's not a quarterback there. Let's just for a second say it's not a quarterback, which I don't think is going to be the case, but they could trade out of that spot. Let's say Cleveland didn't take a quarterback. Then I think they'd go with best athlete available, best player available. And I actually think that would be Miles Jack. And they do have a need on the interior linebacker. But Miles Jack, everyone just came away so impressed with his interviews. And even though he didn't work out, he wanted to, I've seen video footage of him working out as he's rehabbed and prepared.

He could have worked out at the Combine. His agents told me he was dying to work out, but he just felt like it was in his best interest to hold off, and it probably was, but I think he really helped himself in the interviewing process, and I expect to see him inside the top four. Jalen Ramsey is going to have to be considered inside the top three, and I think to Forrest Buckner, depending on how his interviews went, anytime you have a big man like that who can rush the pass or from the interior, those guys go at premium rates. I mean, big corners who can run slash free safetys like Jalen Ramsey, top-notch left tackles, mega athletes linebacker who are extremely versatile and then interior rushers with size

who can get after the quarterback these are premium premium positions and we just happen to have that with de force buckner and jalen ramsie and laramite tonsill and miles jack the question now becomes you know what is every team what is their individual grade on goss and wince because i think one thing certain paxton lynch is just not in that in that group anymore he's just not in that list. I still think the people will sleep on him a little bit, and I think his upside is actually fairly high, but he's just kind of falling off during this

process. Brown's fans will revolt if they don't take a quarter of it. They will flip cars over and burn buildings. Not that that should be taken into consideration, because Johnny Mansell was like the greatest moment in Brown's franchise history the last, you know, 10 years. But if Mark's prediction is that they destroy the city, I think they should, just from a civic

standpoint, take a QB, just for that. I also, Lance, I like drama and I like a scandal. I I like heat, and that's why I liked Robert Candice's press conference interview on Friday where, you know, he had some stuff to answer to. Of course, he had his incident where he went out that hotel window. And then he stands in front of the media, and he throws Laramie Tunzel into the situation, invokes his name without anybody trying to get it out of him.

He made a reference to nobody wanting to, quote, take the fall for the entire incident and how his name was under the hotel reservation. Just a lot of stuff. This has got to be, you know, teams must be watching this interview and be like, whoa, what is up with this guy? Or do they not make too much of it? Well, accountability certainly wasn't a strong suit. I didn't think so when that came up.

However, it had to tell you, NFL teams who I've spoken with are very grave concerns about work ethic and personal, not only football character, but personal character. and he backpedaled on the Tunsel thing. I thought he did a pretty good job of crawfishing out of it with Matt Money Smith and Bucky Brooks when he interviewed with them just saying, you know, it was something that all the NFL scouts knew. He just made mention of it publicly because he assumed everyone knew.

So that's fine. I mean, in a way, he tried to crawfish out because clearly he knew. He had read. He even made mention of the fact that people said he threw Laramie Tumsel under the bus, and he tried to get out from under it. But look, I like heat and drama, too. and that's why I like Robert De Niro a little bit better than Robert, you know, and better than Kim Dice because I just, I trust Deereo,

well, not so much now with some of his movie choices. It's over. But I did trust him there in the mid-90s, certainly much more than Kim Dice in the mid-first round. So I still don't think, I understand that he looks the part. I just don't, you know, for me, I guess from what I've heard, the lack of plays that he made, even though he flashes, he seems like a style over substance player. I don't see enough production.

I don't know that his personal character is high enough. I wouldn't take him with the first 14 picks in the draft. And I think the Raiders will be sitting there looking at 14. It will be very tempted if he makes it there. Yeah, I mean, any guy that tells a room full of reporters, there were times I was lazy on some place, I don't get away until the second or third round. Lance Zeerlund, you did it again.

You came on the show, and you hit a home run. Thank you, boys. appreciate it. Well, he actually hasn't done it again. This was the first time on the show. But every, I'm sure every appearance he's ever made on a radio show. Did you have, there it is. I did it again. The first time ever. Did you have any, like, Mississippi State defensive linemen? Did you have a Chris Jones incident in Indianapolis? I had no Chris Jones. I did have a Chris Jones moment in my room, but it was just me. And it was some new boxers I had. But it was, but I mean, it was just me. So unlike Chris Jones, you know, I could recover from that. And I didn't have to fall to the ground just to. kind of, you know, I, first of all, make things right. I think he handled it well as best as he could, and he still ran a pretty good time. And I'm not going to get into it. Look it up, guys, but, you know. So, so Marcusick and I were talking about this yesterday.

I think it shows a desire, a love for football. I think it shows high football character that you run through that and you say, you know what, I'm committed to this 40 time. I don't care what happens. I'm out there trying to get the best time I can. That's high football character in my book. That's an ability to play through distraction. That's about as big a distraction as you're going to happen.

It was a huge distraction, Greg. He played the SEC. All the noise in the world, if that didn't bother him, the noise from the stands and road games in the FCC and all the cowbells or key chains or whatever it is that they have there, I promise you that non-functional underwear is not going to stop him. What Lance is saying, he could put all that junk out of your mind when it comes time before.

Just put that junk out of your mind and just get to work. All right. Lance, he is our draft analyst for NFL.com. He's a radio host in Houston on Sports Talk 790. The guy's a stud. He's a pro. Thank you, Lance, for joining us, and hopefully we can talk down the road. All right, thanks, guys.

There he is, Lance's earline. Sidney, you seemed visibly uncomfortable as we come down near the end of our time together with that discussion. It's fine. It's whatever. I thought it was funny, but. Now Dan's making it weird. weird weird week yeah that that is an all-timer for the rest of his career that's going to be you know he's going to have to achieve a lot to overtake that as the thing he's most known for yeah it's rough it's rough west how you doing i thought you were going to die at one point speaking of death to a lot of hacking i think you've got to go home buddy i have made some progress in the past few days the drugs are working but hacking happens when the drugs are working uh do you have um uh anything coming you use said you wanted to share something about your visit to Tybee Island before we go.

There's a reason for my visit to Tybee. There's a charity event, and it's called the Bar Olympics on Tybee. And they want me to announce several of the tent pull events for this. So I'm going back to be an announcer. Got to be right for that. Two of my good friends, they started the best restaurant on Tybee. One of my friends, AJ, is a big Bears fan. I've referred to him in the past.

His best friend, Kevin, passed away from an aneurism last year. So they had started a charity called Tybee Teen Cuisine, where they're helping out local teens, teaching them how to cook, a skill that they can get, you know, can get them through high school and college to pay for things, and maybe something they'll use for the rest of their life. But if anybody wants to make a donation to that, Tybee Teen Cuisine, P.O. Box 2946, Tybee Island, Georgia, 31328. Checks can be made out to Tybee Teen Cuisine. And, Mark, now your charity work that you're involved with.

well still putting that together i'm going to need another episode speaking of which we need to make our charity oh come on that is i put that on gregg primarily and that is you are the boss we owe uh the cities of uh kansas city to start i'll remember very much kansas city houston and i believe somebody else great we got to get on top of that

yeah i was on top of it the redskin back when i was in charge of it we stuck a fork in it uh those teams and they came back to make the playoffs so we need to make a charity and we've stuck a fork and stick a fork in them too we did that is is the end of the road but we need to at least we got to settle yes settle our debts if you will uh Wednesday show we'll be back on Wednesday we will dig into that top 99 2.0 uh yes Greg Rosenthal Chris Wessling the scientist breakout their updated top 99 free agents list as we close in on the start of free agency so make sure you check that out and we will check Check back in with our iTunes listener feedback, you know, a feature we bring back every few, every couple of months. See what the people are saying. The only way you can, Mark, the only way you can really fail as you try to grow a career in broadcasting is to, you know, fall out of touch with the people. So we like to read the comments on iTunes, both the good and the bad, and share them and talk about them and try to have a better show from it. One of the best features that we do, and it's coming soon.

What if you are never in touch? Mark's ready to go home, too? Not at all. I actually really like when occasionally Dan will send us, you know, a screen capture of stuff that he's read, and I'll read it on my phone, and it's vastly entertaining, especially the negative ones, and they're not far off the mark. Usually there's definitely at least a grain of truth to it.

Yeah. Grain of salt. Anyway, that's it. We will be back on Wednesday That's when all that stuff goes down Thank you for listening Thank you to Land Zero Line Sydney again great work

Running out of time here I'm going to roll out my plan To keep you with us Thanks a lot California labor law Yeah great government Thanks a lot shadowy league figures Thanks Schwarzenegger Am I'm right in the NFL rules

You could do something On to producer number 15 Well you're going to get a repeat Yeah we're getting retread We're getting a surprise back and we'll let the listeners know when he's back. Yes. Okay. Until then, this is Dan Hansis, signing off for Quiet Storm, the mailman, the boss.

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