NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Which Star Players Could Be Cut Before Free Agency?

Episode Date: February 14, 2018

A room filled with heroes- Dan Hanzus, Gregg Rosenthal, Chris Wesseling, Marc Sessler & Colleen Wolfe are all back together again! The heroes discuss Colleen’s Cardi B rap video, which became an internet sensation (2:00); An addition to the ATN Trophy Cabinet- thanks to a thoughtful and talented listener (5:30); The latest news from around the league, including Frank Reich being introduced as the Colts’ head coach (10:00), Kam Chancellor’s playing status for 2018 (13:00) and a closer look at one of Marc’s Super Bowl Sandwich Props (24:00); Dan creates the pilot episode of the Theology Podcast (28:00); The heroes discuss which prominent veterans could be cut before the new league year begins.Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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My name is Dan Hansis, and I'm joined by a room filled, teaming even, with heroes. Mark Sessler, Chris Wessling, Connie Fox, and Greg Rosenthal. What is up, people? Hey, Dan. This is crazy. We haven't done this in a while. A lot of people here. This is fun.

I haven't been on a pod with Wes in months and months and months. Yeah, we were just talking about that. Do you have to leave early for this one? No. Wow. This is weird. This is weird. All seven of your shows are taking a nap for a dirt nap, yeah.

This is like, you know, the Avengers when all the super people come together. Am I doing this right now? You seem to have a high opinion of yourself. Wow. I was really talking about. Not a total parallel. Wes and Colleen. It's great.

I don't have to get on a plane for the first time in 26 weeks, I think. That's nice. Wow. Yeah. I know. I'm so excited. This is usually the day that I pack, and I just put away my suitcase. It's awesome.

I want to rant against the shadow. We league figures for a second. The third floor. I don't got much use for them. It'll just be honest. Because they always stand in the way of greatness. I would have loved to listen to Colleen doing Cardi B on live television on NFL network coverage. And maybe Colleen was behind this.

There was a, as Lindsay Fulton, behind the glass told me, a company-wide missive sent out saying we cannot use that on any formats because of copyright issues. Or potentially. Because they did it once. They did it once. Well, they did it live. I was shocked that they did that. I didn't know it was live. I didn't know what it was live.

Yeah, yeah. Well, when we did it, it was, we weren't even up yet. It was before the show, it was during a break. And then when they played it back, I thought we were still in a break. And I thought they were just messing with me. And then I was like, oh, we're on right now? Yeah, for people that don't know, Colleen covered the Eagles victory parade in Philly during a commercial. You went into a little was Bodak Yellow?

Yeah. Cardi B came on. That's my song, so everybody knows now. And since, you know, for the people that didn't get to hear it, and since, you know, we can't play here, can you now do it for us? Spits and bars. No. I heard myself on the broadcast, and that's enough.

No, you were great. You were great. I thought you did pretty well. The version I posted on Instagram is a lot better because you don't hear me directly into the mic screaming, Kodak, Yellow. Part of it is the bar still tweet is not the version that you were? It's over 2 million views. right now. I think it's very unfair.

If you put the beat behind it, the problem is you have no music behind you. If you put that music behind you, you basically are Cardi B. Yeah. That's basically. I'm just like her. I love her. And we love you and I love you. Cardi B is a female.

What's up? Cardi B's a female. Yes. West. This is Wes. This is not a bit. This is not a bit. You can't get mad that you don't get musical respect.

Then the biggest hip hop star to hit the scene in like a couple years. of the year for sure. Hey, look, here's some news. Music has been going on for 10,000 years before this latest hip-hop store. You can check her out on motorsport, No Limit, Marty and Cardi. Wes is like, I was a really big fan of what was happening in the 12,000s. That's a terrible. Trembudsman chamber music. Leave it alone. 1,200. BC. 10,000 years from now, Greta. 1200s.

Wes is like, have you heard the new James Taylor album? You're still bringing it. Hey, do not besmirch James Taylor. in front of me. But Connie, what I was saying was rampant ages. Love you. But I did, there was so fun going through the mentions to that Barcelona suite. And my favorite gift,

there was a lot of good gifts, was the one, and it's a very, it's a viral gift. The stop sign? The stop sign is good, but I like the one that it's like, it's all like 80s graphics and it's like, the whites are at it again. The comments were hilarious. I knew it was bad when my mom was

like, someone just told me you were rapping. I was like, oh, God. Oh, no. All right. So here she is. Colleen's with us. She will not wrap for us,

but we can find it on the internet for the rest of the time. That's good. Today's show is a good one. Semi-banger, I would say. Ooh. Pre-show grade? Let's see.

Got the whole coon together. I'll find us. Good news. Go I go out of a banger. West is the campaign. We got this campaign we're going to get to. There's a trophy here. This is an easy B-minus.

Got a new plaques. B-minus. Easy. Speaking of plaques, we have Stephen Akmuddy. I hope I'm pronouncing it right. At Stu's Wood on Instagram sent us an amazing around the NFL lock champion plaque that Mark and I are sharing the season, but is really property of the whole podcast group. And it looks amazing.

And he sent us all coasters. of our respective home states or the states that we most relate to. So, Greg, you got Louisiana, despite being a Massachusetts. It's a good-looking state. Poor Massachusetts, but I do like the Louisiana. It's not a great coaster in Massachusetts either in terms of shape. The coasters are wood and they're in the shape of the state.

Mark also got New York. Marks, it's always been hazy. A lot of people think you're from Ohio. You're from Connecticut mostly, but you have some New York. I get tons of Ohio, but I was born in Rochester, New York, which if he did his research, I give him a lot of credit for that. Connie got Pennsylvania, which makes sense. Great coaster, too.

I got Ohio and Georgia. Oh, you got a double. There you go. Tybee and Cincinnati. Where's your Massachusetts one then, Greg? I'm perfectly happy with Louisiana. But Stephen, thank you very much. That's where I would rather go live.

By the way, Dan, the idea that this is actually everyone's, it's yours and it's mine. It's not everyone's. Right. I was trying to be. Come back at us next year. Yeah. Come for it.

And also Lindsay's great lock trophies with us as well. Anyway, big show. That doesn't have your name on it. We can change that. You're renting it for 360 more days. Audio show, guys. Audio show. What's coming up today?

Greg wrote a couple bangers. He does it every year around this time. Prominent names in the NFL sphere that could be cut and become free agents. We have our free agency primer video is coming up later this week. but there's going to be some other names, Greg, that are going to enter the fray that are saucy names that right now, as of speaking right now, are not on the free agency list.

Well, this initial list that we talked about last show, U.S. and I, Dan, needs a little more sizzle. I think we're going to get a little more sizzle with some of these. A little sizzle. At least a few good players will come out there. I like it. And then we're going to do some news.

And then something that a listener on Twitter mentioned to me this morning that I will have to hit pretty briefly, I think. Might be for the best that we hit it briefly, but we'll get to that a little bit later. Is it Nordic Tony Romo? No, what is that? Have you been watching the Olympics? Well, I've been watching. All of the Nordic events.

Yeah. This guy sounds just like Tony Romo. So the biathlon, all those cross-country, the jumps. A lot of exuberance. Honestly, like his cadence, everything about him. Is he predicting different Nordic things? Maybe I haven't been listening that closely. But it's like, I'll be in the kitchen.

And I'm like, is that, are we doing a game on or is it the Olympics? I don't know. He is Nordic, though. I think he's Nordic. The events are Nordic that he covers. So I'm calling him Nordic, Tony Romo. And shout out to Mike Tariko,

who's killing it in the Olympics coverage. Not a lot of people talking about Costas. Not a lot of people missing him. Just going to say, Mark. That's all. Costas had his era. It's now the Mike Tariko era. I understand where you're coming from.

Because Greg and Dan and I have had like a 28-month ongoing text where Greg and Dan. A lot longer than. You see themselves as higher standing, like, broadcasters than Bob Koss's his career? Absurd. Absurd. Well, you would just think that.

Absurd. You are not blips on the radar compared to what he's accomplished. Sit down. You would think after 30 years, though, of hosting that, people, you know, when you're first miss it, be like, oh. It's not the same without old Bobby. Who did he replace? No, it's fine with Mike Tarika.

Who did he replace? Carl Lagerfeld. No, see, no one remembers who's gone. The minute you're gone, they're going to forget about you, too. And we really should move on. but this brings up something I was thinking earlier. You can always count on the Costa's getting fired on. That is absurd.

Absurd. I've realized now there's three pillars of Mark's childhood that if you understand these three pillars, then you understand Mark, and you can't come at these pillars or else he's going to be upset. I don't even know where this is going. Bob Costas, Star Wars, and the Cleveland Browns championship games.

Well, I'll tell you, it's the dynamic that at least two of those three things. I am dealt with zero respect from the three of you. Wait, how am I involved in this? I'm out of this, right? Or am I in this? No, Colleen is not to blame for anything. I'm going to let it go, but this is mostly on Greg and Dan. That was fun. Let's do some news.

All right. The backup role has suited me well in my career. Oh, yeah, Frank Reich. Yes, the Scott Bacula clone. Maybe it is Scott Bacchola. We'll never know. But this man is the head coach of the Indianapolis Colts. The saga ended for Indy

when they officially announced Reich as the head coach. And he had his opening press conference. He even had him take a picture holding up the newspaper to make sure it was actually happening. All things considered Mark Sessler, and

you spoke of it. A lot of people agree. I agree as well that Chris Ballard did very well. in that post-McDaniels scramble. And then it looks like they ended up with a good choice, which we talked about on Monday. But how do you think Wright came out in this press conference? He came out fine.

I mean, I think, number one, he handled kind of what happened with that team over the last week. I think they probably had to talk to him and coach him up a little bit and say, let's bring levity to this and it's a new page. But he is definitely someone that utters endless sentences of coach speak. There's a lot of it going on. And even to the point where I'd write it up, and I thought nothing of newsworthiness came out of this press conference. And it's not to kill Reich, because I think he's going to end up being probably someone that, oh, the last coach hired. I think that means

literally nothing. He probably would have been a head coach at some point. He's a good fit for the Colts. It sounds like he's sort of someone that Urse seemed to glom onto right away. So no overt negatives, but I came out of the press conference being like, I don't really have any idea who Frank Reich is. Isn't that what the Colts probably wanted, though? I think it's fine. I think it's probably fine. Let's get out of the new cycle and just have our head coach and prepare for the combine and free agency. By the way, they did add one thing that did come out of it.

You remember Pat McAfee? No. He was a punter and then he's going to be a big star somewhere. Sounds familiar. Yeah, he was at the press garments. He asked the question that led to that great backup answer. Also asked about Andrew Luck, how to make him magical, I think, was the way he put it. And here's what Frankie had to say.

The key to make Andrew Luck magical. is this is a team game as great as he is and I believe he's the best I believe he's the best but this game the reason that we all love this game I just came off of a team that we lost our franchise quarterback and still won a Super Bowl so I know Andrew embraces it this game is not built on any one player he is magical he has special unique traits and abilities that I respect as much as anybody and I can't wait to work with him but if we're going to win championships and that's the plan. It's going to be about surrounding our whole team

and the way we're going to bring out the best in each other. Moving on, the Kansas City Chiefs and Derek Johnson. It's the end of the road. The team announced Tuesday that the veteran linebacker will be a free agent when his contract voids at the start of the new league year on March 14th. 35 years old, Johnson has spent his entire 13-year career in KC after being drafted with the 15th overall pick in 205. Wes, your thoughts about Derek Johnson

and your thoughts about how he played this season. Derek Johnson, this is amazing how long he's lasted considering about seven or eight years ago there was talk of the Chiefs releasing him. He was benched for a while during the Scott Pioli regime and Todd Haley regime. And then he became one of the best,

it feels like he re-became one of the best inside linebackers in the NFL. He's had sort of started out of his career high, hit a low point, then went back high again and made four or five Pro Bowels. has had an awesome career, but they traded for Reggie Raglan last year, and he came on pretty strong at the end of the year. So it doesn't really surprise me that at age 35, the chiefs are moving on from Derek Johnson.

And he wanted to stay, too. I mean, he said that he wanted to work something out, but they kind of already had their minds made up on everything. And it's kind of amazing, like you said, Wes. I mean, he's played through five different head coaches there. He's seen a lot in Kansas City. He'll be in their ring of honor. I don't know what it's called in Kansas City.

the city it's a different you know ring in depending on where you are sometimes it's a team hall of fame but he will be on that i mean he is he has biggest tackler in it in the team's history 13 years like kind of like an ultimate glue guy for them it was a little awkward the way that they announced it because they weren't exactly releasing him he he had a void in his contract so they basically had to put that out there even though he wanted to be with the team just like hey we're not resigning get used to it chiefs fans yeah find the find the player that lasted this long with two torn Achilles and just kept on coming back for more. It's a unique career.

They need to get younger on defense and they know it. I think Tom Bali's gone. Johnson's gone. They released to Rieves. They need to get a lot younger. Another player that is dealing with injury issues, a star player, Cam Chancellor, who has been a major part of the Legion. I call them the Legion of Boom.

I don't know if it's going to catch on. I'm starting to float that out there. You said they were dead. That was your big hot take. Yeah, that is. Wait, so they've been reborn again as the Legion of Boom. Are you re-announcing? No, actually, I think I was kind of on target with that.

I think it is over for the Legion of Boom. Don't come at me. Don't at me, Seahawks fans, because Cam Chancelor wants to come back, but whether his body will let it happen. He missed the last seven games, missed seven games in 2017 because of a neck injury. Coach B. Carroll said in January that Chancellor

could have a hard time playing again. but rap sheet reported Tuesday that the safety intends to play in 2018 if, and this is a big one, Mark, if he gets medically cleared, he has no plans to retire. So Cam, not giving up the dream. It's a kind of injury where we're just going to have to wait and see, but his $6.8 million salary went fully guaranteed already. Yeah, over the next two seasons, he has $12 million guaranteed.

I think he'll try. They want him back if he's healthy, but he's not young. Well, there could be an issue there that you can. already see coming with Pete Carroll saying he's not sure if he's going to get cleared and sometimes there's battled over guaranteed money. So it behooves Cam Chancellor to say he wants to play and it's going to be up to lawyers and doctors and who knows, maybe he is going to be fine. They don't have much else at safety behind Earl Thomas. It's a very similar situation with Cliff Averill who is expected to get released,

who also has a career threatening injury but seems to want to play, but the Seahawks don't necessarily believe that. I think they were similar injuries too, but Cliff Averill had surgery and camp chancellor is just sort of wading it out i wouldn't be surprised if he was just on the pup list for the entire season to get that guaranteed money you're ahead of things dan i think they are kind of dead that's why i have a keynote i have a key downstairs oh yeah i go down any time i have it pop down there to the lab the scientist's lab oh i was like where's what's downstairs quite frankly because i don't feel welcome with greg yeah but i feel like gregg has not been a great host not at all but i get it i get it it's his corner he doesn't want me down there so i said that by the whipping room or what what's it

The agony chamber? The agony chamber. That's kind of your thing. They actually, they're going to have a ceremony to rename at the Colleen Wolf Agony Chamber here at NFL at headquarters. Greg, why would you not want him to be welcomed down there? I don't remember any vibes like that. We both felt the same thing. I have felt like Greg has not been as welcoming as he could about you being included.

Wow. Well, if you're going to use the equipment, you clean up after yourself. That's number one. They're fraying between the two of you. That's just one of the rules. What is that about? I don't even know what that means. Just pick up your stuff, you know, if you're going to use a beeper.

Sounds like an excuse for a guy that doesn't want me down there. Beaker protocol. Beaker protocol. Hit me the beaker protocol in a big spot. Speaking of Greg and Greg enemies, Mike Shula is the new Giants offensive coordinator. Kim Jones reported on Tuesday, spent the last, I don't know, a bunch of seasons, five seasons with Carolina, had a lot of success when Kim won the MVP, but was often maligned, especially by the man to my right. What are you laughing at, Wes, over there? I see him giggling.

I like the new Dan. Like, it's an offseason. He's like, I don't know, five seasons, whatever. It was five, by the. Five, yeah. Five as a coordinator, two as a QB coach. He gets the coordinator title, but he's kind of the QB coach. It's Pat Schumer's offense.

He literally is the QB coach for Eli Manning. So, you know, out of a little deference, and that way you can pay him a little more since he's a coordinator, he's been in a league a long time, you give him that nice little title. But this is Pat Shermer's, you know. Yeah, I don't know if it's a, I guess, a Dave Gettelman connection that helped bring him there, too. But it's a step down career-wise in terms of what he had shown he could do in Carolina, like him or not. I mean, he's not going to call play. But that could always change, too.

I always get concerned about these coaches that say, I'm going to, Pat Schumer was in over his head in Cleveland. The idea that he's going to call plays and do everything else, let's see how that goes. I did not expect Mike Shula to get another offensive coordinator job, though. So it's not a surprise that he got the title step in. He'll probably be drawing up plays. He's not going to be calling them. But, yeah, it's interesting because they have Gettleman there and now Shula and then their personnel consultant that was the player personnel director in Carolina before.

I don't want to mess up his name, but it's Mark K-O-N-C-Z. Cons. Yeah, close to something else. Gunzy. Johnny? He's got some weapons. It's like guns. That's what I'm talking about.

He didn't have a lot of receivers in Carolina. Now he's got Odell Beckham, Sterling Shepard. What's going on over there? Eli Manning. It's the offseason. Possibly he's going to have a number two overall pick rookie quarterback too. Sassy. Moving on, the Arizona Cardinals, a time of transition for that organization.

But they're going to keep the general manager around Connie Fox. The team announced Monday they have signed Steve Com dropping the time bomb, the time bomb, excuse me, to a contract extension that will keep him in the desert through 2022. You like to move, Connie? I like it. Yeah. And, you know, his last two years weren't the best because of a lot of different injuries and stuff that happened. But his first three seasons with the team there were the best in franchise history.

So he has his work kind of cut out for him right now. I wonder if he's going to, you know, maybe if they sign Tyrod Taylor or what they do in the offseason in terms of a quarterback if they draft him. But they need a lot of different pieces. But they still have some good talent there. And his contract lines up with Steve Wilkes, too. An affable sort, also bold. less and I feel like his finest

his finest work has come on the you're the GM segment of this podcast. Yeah, we can't lose him. He was good on all or nothing. Yeah, he was. I think this is, they have a fascinating offseason. He has to decide whether he wants to blow up

really the group that brought him a lot of wins and fully rebuilder, kind of do it piecemeal. There's a bunch of players that he's paid a lot of money. Jared Valdier, Mike Ayapati, Deion Bouqueton. Buchanan, Honey Badger,

who all of those guys' future are kind of up in the air. You could keep them all, really, if you wanted. You could get rid of them all. Like, Larry Fitzgerald's up in the air. It's kind of a blow-up or not type of offsy. When they don't have a single quarterback under contract. So whether it's Tyrod Taylor or I could see them being a team that makes them.

Or moving up in the draft because it's not Bruce Ariens there. Bruce Ariens feels like he would love to go get another aging veteran that he can trust. But maybe you go rookie finally. They've not developed a quarterback in Arizona in ages. Well, their offense is a mess. It's a sneaky mess that people don't really know about. Their offensive line is not good at all. Right, that's right.

Why pay these guys so much when they're not doing that well? Their wide receiver core is sneaky, one of the worst in the NFL now, even with Larry Fitzgerald. It's a bad offense, so they need to blow that up. But I think they love their defense. All right, moving on. Bulls and the gun. Love him. Goers run.

now it lines up behind fours foes move to the right it goes directly to clement clement reverses it and the pass those into the end zone to nick foote. Colleen, what was that play known as? What is it known as now famously? The Philly Special. The Philly Special

of course, the gutsy. It's the play that people remember from this game more than anyone in Super Bowl 52, fourth down at the yard and a half line and Doug Peterson and Nick Foles put their heads together. It was actually Nick Foles's idea. And the trick play that leads to Nick Foles catching the touchdown pass. Eagles win the Super Bowl, all that good stuff. I sure did.

Say it again. Say it again. Listen, I don't want Greg to get any more angry at me. We already got the scientist's thing going on. No, watching Colleen host that parade, I'm just the mad. Like the fact that you got to host the parade on national television or your team wording the Super Bowl, I wouldn't say it made up 100%. sent for the pages, but it was a beautiful thing

to see. Like, it's an amazing moment. Not just for you, the whole city. A couple weeks. I don't know why I buy that or that it made up for it at all. I said it. No, absolutely. It's a team also that I really like. I pick the Eagles to win this division. I root for the Eagles basically every, every single season. So it was nice to see. That is true. You were pat on the table

for the Eagles for many years. You got it. Was it Eagles fan? All right. Is that why we play that tip? The reason I bring it up. No. The reason I bring it up, it's on Europe. It's on your behalf mark okay because i just want to surface this and i i am uh not involved i'm not going to pitch it one way or the other but um the one thing about your sandwich prop that you made for the super bowl and what it was was a play in super bowl 52 receives a nickname and tops the helmet catch i'm just going to throw it out there that i don't think this necessarily top the helmet catch i'm

not making that case but now with a little bit more you know 20 20 hindsight type situation we could see if this is now going to be a famous play in NFL history, at least in this era of the NFL. Did Mark win the prop bet, Wes? It was great call by Mark, but no. If this play had happened in the final couple minutes of the game and took the lead for the Eagles, sure, but after this play happened, it was before halftime, first of all. They lost the lead.

Then they lost the lead in the fourth quarter and they needed more good plays to overcome it. The helmet catch was, first of all, more improbable, more incredible, more unbelievable. more unbelievable, and was the deciding play in that game. This was not the deciding play in the game. Absolutely incorrect. No, no, no. No, hold on.

Here's the thing. I've seen this all pop up on Twitter, and here's what I did. I simply did not get involved because you had a very strong heat-seeking take out of the gate. Everyone's got all these strong opinions. I actually don't think that it officially topped the helmet catch in the way that... There's no way. Then it's over. And the way that I wrote that, it didn't.

In the spirit of the fact that I came close, did a great job. It came pretty close. Because you come out of sue other Super Bowls with no title play at all. So it came a little bit close, didn't get close enough. In my defense,

in addition to the searing take, I prefaced it with, I appreciate all of your fans coming to your fans. Trust me, though. It's like I logged on to Twitter and there were like 800 things about like West battling those people. I said, I'm not getting involved in this.

I missed this. When was this? I was tracking that a little bit. I was tracking that a little bit. I was tracking that. But Mark, you know, I had your back there. I just threw it out there.

Maybe I can get you four sandwiches. It deserved conversation, but it would be wrong for me to come up with some wild lobby for it to be bigger than the helmet catch. So it's settled. That is a lost sandwich. I didn't get the trophy. I didn't get the sandwiches. Everything's coming up. Charlie Brown situation over there.

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Offer code around. Hey, before we move on, something happened on the podcast or something I said on the podcast and forgot about was resurfaced on Twitter today. A guy named Patrick at LB3. P-T-M-A-N, had set a reminder in his calendar that at some point in the past history of our show, I promised on today's date, February 14th, 2018, we would have the theology podcast. Oh. I'm not prepared for this today. And I'm not saying that we, I'm just saying that was the promise that I made and that means we made to the audience.

I have prepared a few thoughts in this subject. I know you've always had them in the chamber, Wes. But the question, I guess, is, well, let's just, hang on a second. Let's get a little heavenly for a second. Turn it up a little bit, let's. Just Enya? I feel relaxed. It's not Angya, but it's what Angya would sound like if we were allowed to play her.

Anyway. I'm going to use a softer voice here. The Theology podcast. Is it time? The theology podcast. Now that you mention time. What is time? We don't have a whole lot of it.

I want to do it. It's fine. Not in the middle of this show. It deserves a full show. All right, I'll open it here, and then you guys can decide. What's power rank the religions? And also potential busts. This include all dead religions, or only ones that people are currently killing in the name of?

what religion is a potential bust. Let's open it up to the floor. Start with Colleen. Nope. I'll throw Scientology out there as a potential bust. I feel it's been unmasked. That's Mark Sessler that said that, by the way. Team Travolta.

Greg, any thoughts? Potential bus. I'm just trying to think of some religion-related standards. Dan, I feel like you have some. You have some in mind. I would like to truly have. I would like to truly have a theology podcast discussion. I think it would deserve more than a couple minutes in the middle of a show, though.

I think save it for the theology podcast. Hot take here. All busts. All of them are busts, including atheism. Okay. That's a hot take. That's a tease. Some would say that would be kind of a gutless take, though.

They're all human constructs. Interesting, Mark. I don't know. I'm not really, I'm not getting involved. I mean, you guys asked, by the way, I'm talking to the audience now, you guys asked for this particular conversation for four years. On the feast of St. Valentine's. Yeah, we're not really delivering.

And it's also Ash Wednesday. On the Feast of St. Valentine's Day. Are you going to get ashes, Dan? Is that my mom's listening. I can't tell you these. This is amazing. But I love you, Mom. At least that's in tech.

Raised me to be a good Catholic boy. And I'm unbalanced, I believe. What are you giving up for Lent then, Dan? Gatorade. I always. just give up Gatorade, even though I don't really drink it anymore. I used to give it up in college, and it was a big deal because I loved Gatorade. I just didn't give it up anyway.

I don't really drink it anyway. How about you? Oh, sugar? I see. Give up Catholicism for Lent. All right, so we'll save it for the rest of it for the theology podcast. Coming up, February 14th, 2009. No, I think we need to do in the middle of the summer.

That's the problem. A nice summer podcast. All right. I'm trying to figure out when my vacation. Yes. July 8th. No, it's not going to be during your vacation. It will not be during your vacation.

All of a sudden, it's like, I'm hosting, and it's a theology podcast. It will not. There you go. So there's a little teaser for the theology podcast. Hope everybody enjoyed it. Hot takes from Wes. Connie lied about Lent and Mark, a big no comment. To go to confession.

Yeah. All right. I took down Scientology. I think that was. That was actually foundational. Yeah. Team Travolta. Again, team Cruz.

I'd just say I have questions. I have major questions. And like religious activity, you know, throughout my life, I was not involved, really, in the whole podcast. Not really, yeah, or nay, just wasn't. This is a real holy group. Wasn't involved. Never came up.

You weren't raised in any religion, really. I had never went to any sort of service or anything like that. No, I was, I mean, I grew up in an Irish Catholic town, but my parents, no, I was never, I've never been to a place of worship. It never really came up in our house. You also said you never went to a gym. Ever? Not to work out.

You have some interesting boundaries around you. I mean, I've been to like hotel. I've never worked on the equipment at the gym other than the treadmill. Treadmill. Famously has never lifted a weight. Never lifted anyway.

All right. Speaking of Greg, sometimes some peculiar natures about Greg, but we love him. There's nothing peculiar about this banger that Greg wrote, a two-part banger on the website called Prominent.

Well, you wrote. This is Greg's corner, by the way, in the entire industry. You wrote a two-part column, AFC and NFC players of prominent nature who could be cut. And why don't we kind of just go through some names, Greg? And you kind of will kind of run a lot of this through you, Greg, but it's an open conversation for all. Greg, why don't we start with this? Who to you is the biggest name? the biggest fish that could end up entering the free agency pond in the next weeks, months?

That's a good question. Thanks, man. I think Des Bryant is the one that's been talked about the most, like in terms of has the highest profile and has a legitimate chance of being released. And I think it's the type of move that the cowboys never make. And so that it's not a move I expect the cowboys to make. I think they'll find a way to come up with some sort of compromise where in reality he does kind of take a pay cut, but it's couched as an extension where it lowers his cap and he can make it back in incentives.

I think he wants to stay, and I don't think the Jones family really wants to give it up. But they decided to make this a huge issue when right after the season, in a very telegraphed maneuver, Stephen Jones said, I'm not sure about Des. I'm not sure about his future. And Jerry Jones said, well, you know, he's been part of it. the problem. We need more big plays. So they made this a bigger story, I think, that it would have been already. And not just big plays. He's been an issue on the sideline with some of his histrionics. I mean, I thought they went out of their way to say, this is why you're not as valuable

to us as you once were, which is basically, to me, take a pay cut or take a walk. It's early negotiating employment. Brian had very strong words saying that he would not take a pay cut right after the season two. And so, you know, we can see... I judge cuts and releases how big they are by how weird it would be to see Player X in a different uniform. And seeing Des Bryant in anything but a Cowboys uniform,

he puts me at the top of this list. I think he sits at the top of this list. Weird. So it's any, like, the biggest name in free agency besides Kirk Cousins? Well, just, I guess, like, guys that... Who could get cut? No, guys that are...

Currently attached to a team under contract for next year or beyond, but could end up getting cut before free agency starts. So another big name out there, Greg, another example would be like Brandon Martin Martin. There's some obvious ones that are big names. Like Brandon Marshall

I think is a no doubt he's going to get cut. Is he going to get a job Brandon Marshall? He couldn't broadcast. He's not going to leave New York, don't you think? His career might be over. DeMarco Murray is one that I would be stunned if he stayed on the team. Tyrod

Taylor is one where are we 100% the bills are going to let him go? Would any team actually think about trading for Tyrod Taylor? He's due $18.5 million. Everyone assumes they want to get rid of them. I don't know. Are they really going to be able?

I mean, why would anyone assume that? What? Because we assumed it last year, too. They bench him every year? It didn't happen. But this year, he said he's not going to take a pay cut. So I think he'll be a starting quarterback elsewhere. He's had such a weird relationship with the bills and vice versa.

I mean, for the whole time he's been there. It seems like it seems like it would just be healthier for everybody if he moved on. Yeah. Yeah. So DeMarco Murray, you had a really good first season in Tennessee. He's going to be a big name out there. But he feels like also a guy on the wrong side, Colleen, a guy that was beat up. His body was beat up last year and he maybe didn't have the same burst.

I don't know if he's going to have a big market either. No, especially if you have Derek Henry there, who clearly was the more productive running back and a new head coach. I mean, Mike Rabel, if I'm him and I see both of these running backs, so yeah, you don't need both of them. And there are going to be plenty of, it's hard for aging running backs who don't play special teams or really do much, you know, to get jobs. Adrian Peterson is on this list because he's still under contract for the Cardinals. I believe he'll get cut. Doug Martin will certainly get cut by the bucks, you know. And then there's guys like Frank Gore who are free agents.

I mean, it's tough for all of these guys to get jobs. I think Peter's... Matt Forte could get cut. I'm more interested in kind of the options where the player's still good and you're not sure what's going to happen. The Packers are interesting to me. That's the one that caught my attention. To look at their receivers and think,

are they going to bring back Jordy Nelson and Randall Cobb? Or is it in either-or scenario, which is what I think a lot of people around Green Bay feel. Yeah, it's a tough call too because Jordy Nelson obviously fell off the map once Aaron Rogers got hurt. But he also seemed like maybe he was showing signs of decline either way.

Now he's a year older. Aaron Rogers is back, but is he going to be worth the money at this point? Defenses were already treating Devante Adams as the number one receiver before Brad Huntley took over for Aaron Rogers. But I think you do have to wonder how much of that Jordan Nelson becoming one of the least productive receivers in the NFL was the loss of Aaron Rogers because they have that unique chemistry and rapport that it's hard to replace with Brad Huntley. So that's why he's intriguing to me because I don't know if he can still play or not.

Randall Copton, me, Mark, has been kind of a disappointing guy. Ever since he signed that contract, I liked him a lot and thought he was like the secret weapon of that team in a lot of ways. And then last few years, it just never has clicked. So I feel like, yeah, Greg, that was a great choice to put him on the list. Thank you. Good job. Your thoughts, Mark.

No, it's totally electric a few years ago. I think they have a massive front office regime shift here. I wonder if they're going to start to look at some of these pieces that have been in place without any questions around them differently because I think they're going to approach free agency differently in the entire office. season process. And you mentioned in the article, Aaron Rogers, his head would completely explode. Right. If they got rid

of a both? Well, both. It's good that you put ore because it can't both your cleaning house. I think if they both were unwilling to take a pay cut, that I think the team might be prepared to let go of both. But Jordy Nelson has already kind of telegraph publicly that

he'd be willing to take a pay cut, that maybe he understands his value is not the same and he'd like to stay there, which you would think gives him the edge over Cobb. to stay and because of his connection with Aaron Rogers and they probably have to move him to the slot a little more which is where Cobb plays

so again it kind of only makes sense for one and don't forget they paid Devante Adams number one receiver money so suddenly the three of those guys are combining for more than $35 million which is pretty crazy for a wide receiver crew. You bring up players and I agree it's more

interesting guys that you don't know whether they're on their upside or downside Mo Wilkerson is done with the Jets he he basically tardied himself out of town there. But also he was making a crap ton of money for a guy who has played very mediocre football ever since coming back from that broken leg and getting all that money. However, he's still a younger guy. I think he's 28 or 29 years old.

Before that leg injury, he was one of the best and most versatile defensive linemen in football. The Jets are done with him. But I could see another team, you know, getting wooed by Wilkerson who's going to say, I'm I'm ready to, like, start over and him getting a big deal out of it. What do you guys think? Was there some overlap between Mo Wilkerson and Petten in New York? Wilkerson was a first one picking in 2011. Yeah, I think maybe Green Bay.

Petten now running the Packers defense. I think with guys like him, when you question their attitude, it's who were they most successful under as a coach? So maybe there is some inactive tissue there. I mean, you're right. He's only 28 years old, and he'll be 28 when the season starts. That's pretty young. That's a little...

That's a couple of these guys on this list. Robert Quinn really stands out. Robert Quinn is a fascinating case to me because for one season he played about at a JJ Watt type of level, a very different player. He played at a defensive player of the year type level. And he really hasn't had that type of season since. But he's only 27 years old somehow still.

He's had some injuries, so he feels older. And he's due a lot of money, $12 million this year. And he would be a logical cut. because I don't think he played to that level. But maybe in today's NFL, when there's all this cap space, it's like, maybe you just keep Robert Quinn and see if he turns it around. It's like, what do you got to do with all this cap space?

That's one of my new themes. Capspace is overrated. I think the teams that really banked on building up cap space is some sort of huge strategy are feeling like it was a bit of a waste because the entire NFL has a ton of cap space. There's more cap space than anyone really needs at this point. Well, you end up wasting money or overspending,

if you feel this pressure to use. Some of these teams that have – Cleveland has $110,000. $110 million. $110 million. It's ridiculous. And you need a tackle. Let's say you need a tackle.

There's literally not a tackle available. So what are you going to do with your cap space? Very aggressive posture from Greg. His state of Louisiana coaster looks like do guns over here. I love it. I'm holding it. I'm spinning it. Here's the positive because it's better to have more money than less money.

I get what you guys are saying. But let's use the Browns as an example. Let's say they go all out for Kirk Cousins, and they offer that guy, you know, $120 million guaranteed. Even after they do that, they'll still have more money or as much money as anyone else. Pretty much every team going after Cousins can do that. Right. Well, that's not exactly true, though. I think so.

I think so. Because you have two teams in the Jets and Browns that have more money than anyone, so they can pay more. They can out. No, they can agree to a contract that would allow almost anyone to get this year's cap line, right? I don't think you can come up with a team that wants Kirk Cousins. that couldn't pay him the highest salary in NFL history by leaps and bounds and still have plenty of cap. Without making cuts? No.

Vikings have 50 million in cap. Then if this is true, then what are we doing here with the cap? Because in the last cup, I think five years ago, maybe this was a different conversation. It started to get jacked up big time. That might be too high if this is the real conversation we're having that. It doesn't matter. Or we're going to see players start to get, like, quarterbacks salaries are going to skyrocket. Other salaries are going to skyrocket.

I think salaries should go up. The players deserve it, basically. Let's dig one level deeper. The fall off and the quality of play in the NFL is directly related to teams failing to pay, established veterans. They don't pay them anymore unless you're top of the line, high guy. If you're a mid-tier starter, you don't get paid. People would just rather go with draft picks. Maybe we'll start to see some of those guys get paid again and the quality of football will go up.

Greg, you got a little spooked and you didn't put this gentleman on your list. but we're going to bring it up right now on the show. Honey Badger in Arizona. I don't think he's going to get cut. I don't think he's going to get cut, so I didn't think he fit on this list, and I might write about him separately. I think that he could be a trade candidate,

and his situation is really complicated because he's due $19 million guaranteed over the next two years if they decide to pick up the option in his contract, and I don't think they felt like he played at that level, but I'm like, how many honey badgers are there out there? I think, again, why not try to keep him, see if he can regain that form another year away from surgery? He did down the stretch this year.

He was a much different player from Thanksgiving on than he was early in the season. But I think he could be traded because they found someone they like in Buda Baker that does some similar things. It's a different regime, and I think he would be very tradable. What about as long as we're talking about guys who spooked Greg? What about Indomacan Sue? Is he a guy who could be?

be cut. Well, there are whispers, actually, while we were taping this, that Dolphins' ownership is talking about potentially wanting to move on. That the people connected to Ross would be ready to move on, potentially from Sue, who was at the time of his signing, what was it, three years ago now, three off seasons ago, the highest paid player in the NFL, or at least defensive player. It'd be logical, but I did ask around on that one, and it felt like, it felt like they weren't going to cut him, that did they think he's too good that they'd cut a lot of other people before. So you're the ATN insider.

I'm checking in with other insights. Watch out there. Thank you very much here with NFL.com's Greg Rosenthalp. The NFL.com. The NFL.com. The NFL.com. The NFL.com's Greg Rosenthal. And you said, by the way, Greg, before, that I haven't broken anything in a while.

I can't remember who got that exclusive on the field. after the Super Bowl with Colleen Wolf. Who else had Connie? Right after the Super Bowl. Hit me, Lindsay. Oh, no. Inside, inside, inside of Dan. Hands, hand, for the truth, go to the suits.

Wait. Get in a mom. The zooms are in the morning. I'll give it to you, but you essentially just spoke to your friend on the field. That was one of my favorite moments in our podcast history, though. So I gave you all the credit for that. I was just wandering around, and I saw Dan. And I was like, thank God, someone I know.

someone that's close. If you broke news, then I won a sandwich off that because I'm the one person that said that you would. So what's happening here? I don't know. That was Patrick's a prop, not mine. Take it up with Patrick. How subpar would that drop be if the dolphins weren't involved?

The Great Lost Sid doing her thing right now in BYU. Former podcast producer. Our former podcast producer. It was her idea to put the dolphin in. Killer singer. Yeah. Unfortunately, I have to say the best singer in the history of this podcast. I know that's shade at me.

It's fine. I wasn't singing. I was rapping. Did you hear? She literally sang the national... I know. It was awesome. Did you hear that Lindsay actually did her own version of odds and ends last week?

No, I didn't hear. Check it out. All right. Was it this week? What day was that? It was the longest week ever. It was last Thursday. Oh.

And thank you for listening to our show, Colleen. That was the parade day. You guys heard me all the show. She was hosting. Listen, I don't listen. I had already started my celebrating. They didn't expect you to listen to it live. Yeah, that would have been really weird.

Okay. Anything else, Greg? Anybody else you want to throw out there? I think the Broncos are really interesting with Akib Talib because he's still playing at a very high level, but the buzz seems to be that he's going to get cut, which is surprised. I mean, he's going to be turning 33,

but he was still playing great. And then there's some thought, and Ian Rappaport said the belief is that Emmanuel Sanders will stick around with the Broncos, but I think there was some thought that maybe he would be dangled in a trade and he would be a high-quality player to be out there. I think he can still play it out.

Their receivers went from being arguably the best one-two punch in the NFL a couple years ago to being last year, it seemed like a competitive liability. Yeah, something's going to happen there. I thought so. I thought they looked really old last year, the two of them together.

And Emmanuel Sanders dropped a lot of passes for a guy whose hands were phenomenal in 2000. Maybe it's not that crazy for him to be traded then. Well, he's playing through injuries, too. You never know with guys who are 29 or 30, whether it's a sign that they're towing the cliff or whether it's just a bad season and they'll bounce back the next year. And John Elway didn't exactly give them a vote of confidence either when he was asked

about them at the Senior Bowl. I want to see what your Eagles do. They have an, they're literally the only team, Colleen, over the salary cap right now. And usually you would look at a roster like that and think, oh, there's a lot of dead weight. their problem is they have too many good contracts. They're 10 million over the cap. They won't be able to keep Tray Burton. Which practically, which is a great problem to have.

I don't see a lot of overvalued contracts on that team. They mostly look like people are getting what they're worth. Tori Smith maybe you get rid of. Brent Selik might retire. It won't be hard for them to get under, but they're not going to be very active. And they might have to make a tough choice or two. So there you go.

Check it out. Nick Bowles, maybe. Trade them away. That would be surprising, right? They have amazing insurance there with their star quarterback coming off ACL injury. Could happen, though. I didn't think it happened, right, Greg? That's the NFL.

It's a crazy league. Or trades. That's the good thing about all this cap spaces. Teams are, it's easier to just make sure crazy trades. Tell Mike Lennon how great it is. He's probably going to be cut. Greg, with these coasters, you're killing me. This whole show.

I got a picture of you. I just, oh, good. You know, sometimes I like to throw out new kind of slogans for the NFL. that one is very organic. You ready? The NFL, it's a crazy league. That's good. Okay.

No, I like it. I like that. As always, I'm not hurt if you don't like it. No, I like that. I thought you were going to say, the NFL. Anything can happen. I feel like Vince McMahon might actually use that for the XFL. You know, you get Lindsay mad at you.

That's Uncle Vince. Uh-oh. I mean, the league that will never happen. No, Triple H is Uncle Paul. Vince's grandpa Vince. Okay. Wow. Good info.

Same. Before we go, where are we at with the Chris Wessling, Save Our Wessling? I know it said that. Save Ferris. Yeah. Where are we at? Because I know the listeners and not just the listeners, also the football cognizante have really stepped up. Yeah.

It's been incredible. Since we announced the GoFundMe to anyone who didn't hear about it for Chris's medical costs on this podcast and then we sent a couple tweets out right around when the podcast came out that as we're taping this that was less than 48 hours ago in in less than two days we are almost at wes's goal that's amazing we we by the time people listen to this and everyone should you know go to the go fund me search for chris wesling's name or check out my twitter or anyone else's twitter the last few days uh you can put us over the top because i think I think it's going to happen.

It happens so fast. By the time you hear this, it will probably be over the top. We are right there. It's overwhelming. It's overwhelming for me by proxy, just like looking at how it makes you feel good about the human people out there. The human, all those humans out there. Yeah, I've often said that cynicism is poison and there's no better thing in my life

that's ever happened than to see this outpouring of love and support. And it's overwhelming. It's an emotional overload for me. And it happened in a week where the other night, was the most pain I've been in since surgery. There are still issues with eating and drinking, and there are setbacks. You know, for all the Europeans who have questions about our health care system, it's not that the NFL's insurance hasn't paid for a lot of it.

They have. It's just that there are a lot of costs that have come up along the way. The vocal cord injections that I pay for out of pocket, there are issues with rental equipment on feeding tubes and all kinds of just costs that you don't even imagine happening, and I am so appreciative of everyone of the support, of the messages people have left along with the money. It's just, it's overwhelming for me, and I'll probably sit down and have a big cry at some point. Oh, Wes. Thank you to everyone. It's good stuff. Thank you to everyone that's done it, because the listeners especially have stepped up. You're right, a lot of great people

around kind of the industry who really respect Wes have as well, but a ton of listeners, including a ton overseas. These are the best listeners. It's cool. It's almost like a gift. And a lot of it was thank you, Wes, for kind of what you've given them in terms of entertainment over in the podcast, and they're happy to have somewhere to help. Oh, it's amazing what it can mean to people who just know, like people who grew up with me have read some of the comments and have said they started crying. And, you know, it just, you know, my brothers and my mom, when they see that stuff, they love it. The paramour has, you know, that, that raised me up a few levels in her eyes just seeing that stuff, you know. She's gotten emotional, I can guess, a few times.

Yes, she has. Okay, great news, great stuff. Real quick, when we first saw this, I said to John, I'm like, oh, my God, they have a go-fund me for Wes. And John was like, give him a bank account. Just give him everything. Is he the money man in your family? He's not. He does not manage everything.

He's spending college money. Clearly, he's not great at managing the money. Give him a bank account. By the way, just so everyone pull back the curtain, open the kimono. Colleen and Gonzo live in a shelter in Santa Monica. Basically. Because of Gonso's out of control spending. Who?

John Ronald Gonzalez, Portmarsh 12th, 1977 is an American sports writer who's Mayor Danneville media broadcaster. Colleen Wolfe, John, who's a Pisces, resides in Los Angeles with his wife and two dogs. So there you have it. We will be back on Friday. And just, Greg, want to bang that URL at one more time in case we don't go over? Yeah, go fund me.com slash Chris Wesleyan takes out. out the big C but if you again it's on Twitter link and or just search Chris's name on go fund me

we will be back on Friday with our third show we just found Roger Goodell sends an email out a company wide email saying that hey everybody take the freaking day off this is a true story that's actually in the email yeah you send it out to me oh it's wrong take the freaking day off signed rog and uh you know we have a scheduled podcast and we have sponsorship uh uh necessity in terms of scheduling, so we can't go anywhere. Not everyone can just throw responsibility out the window. I've been tracking this. This is about the fourth year in a row this has happened to us.

The man day to day off came to everyone except, oh, you show is doing your show on Friday afternoon. It never really applies to the media because it's not the media group, which is like 500 people out here or more, because the website has to stay online. Does it? That's a bigger question. And if it went down on all these little precious features went away from one day,

what would happen? I always do wonder, though, because you're right. He does this every year, and he said, you guys did such a great job in Minneapolis, like you get this day off. But at some point, you know, we've done a great job every year. Well, yeah. Is it on Valentine's Day every year? No, it's a, maybe Raj is a really big Valentine's Day guy.

Well, Roger Goodell shares, maybe he wants to get a long weekend because he shares a birthday with Chris Wessling and myself. Famously. It's coming up. The three of us. Everyone calls us the three amigos of the NFL. Raj Wesson. That's right.

Yeah, President's Day, Monday. Wow. A lot of good stuff, birthday stuff. Fun birthday times. Everyone loves to celebrate. Fun birthday time. Trying to get out of the show, but do your best. Fun birthday times was how to do it.

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