NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Which teams got better in Free Agency?

Episode Date: March 18, 2015

A room with some heroes -- Gregg Rosenthal, Chris Wesseling and Marc Sessler -- react to the latest news around the NFL including Chris Borland's surprising retirement, Philip Rivers' recent comments and more. Plus, which teams got better or worse in free agency?Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. The Around the NFL podcast would happily trade the boss for Lindsay Rose. Welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL podcast. I'm Greg Rosenthal, joined by a couple of heroes, Mark Sessler and Chris Wessling. Hey, Greg. So Dan Hans is normally hosting the show, and we'll host every single show. forever once they trade me for Lindsay Rhodes, apparently. He's feeling a little under the weather.

You know, he was here at work today. He tried to battle through it. We sent him home. It's, you know, free agency's calming down, and we can run this ship. He came in, he pumped out a post. You know, his hair looked good, as always. But one thing that Wes, that you and I have noticed today, is that the boss, he's got some nice hair.

Oh, what are you bringing up? I don't know, it was all scraggly, you know, but apparently at some point this week, you squeaked. in and you got a haircut in the makeup room, which is an unheard of action for low-level talent of our ilk. Well, I believe what happened here is that Greg is leaving us behind. This is a power move where he said he's important enough to go into the makeup room and just demand a haircut.

They give you free haircuts if you're like, if you're Lindsay Rhodes or if you're someone high up on the food chain, but we did not know that we were able to have that service. Probably we aren't. You are. I'm going to grow my hair out just so I can avail myself of that service. That was the thing. My hair looked terrible, and the stylist there, you know, he just thought I needed some help, so he offered. So I'm not going to say no to a free haircut.

Oh, he set this in motion. Yeah, pretty much. I mean, he offered, you know, I wasn't going to, you know, talk about it, but Michael Fabiano came over to our, to our cubes today. He brought it up that I was in the hair chair. I don't think that's a bad move. I mean, I just saved an hour of my life. I got two kids. You know, that's more time I can go home or just.

do work or whatever. TD, a diva move? Complete diva move, but hey, think you can hook me up with a haircut? I know. It was a great haircut, by the way. It was awesome. I actually did feel awesome leaving that being like,

I can't believe I just got a haircut at work. This is outstanding. It's kind of a game changer. You save some dough, and it saves time. I might top the list of things to do at work. You can play hoops, which we actually have a hoop out here. You can go out and shoot some hoops sometimes. I think getting a haircut might be top of the list.

Next on the list. We need a fitness center. A little massage center. Speak for yourself. So it has been a big week for me, of course, with the haircut. Also, got a big show coming up today. We got a lot of news. Not quite as much news as the last four power-packed free agency shows, and that's good.

So we can talk more generally what teams got better in free agency and what teams got worse. I'm just playing this, because I know Dan, if he was here, shout out to Dan. He'll be screaming some throat of easy music for your head. Well, I like how you're throwing out. a shout out to Dan when right before the show you've just realized he was not joining us and TD said he could kick back and relax that there would be less pressure on the on TD today and spread his wings he said oh my gosh that's not right we're not playing you know Dan's a good guy but sometimes you know he gets these messages me way too much sometimes but we're not

celebrating that at all west looks angry right now not angry at all. Okay, I don't know. More of a pensive look. Okay, I thought you were standing up for our fearless host. Who we do hope feels better. I think he's been swallowing up so much of this jet-type garbage for the last week that he, you know, doesn't feel good. You know what I'm saying?

It's toxified the body you're saying. I am. All right. TD, let's do a little news. That's my name. Don't wear it out. Is that John Travolta? Yes, it is.

Greg totally messed that up, you know, because I sent an email to Dan. I'm like, hey, make sure you say, Greg, come on, man. You want to do it again? Yeah, go ahead. Now you're upset, Dan's not here. Let's do it again.

Let's do it again, Greg. What did you say? You just said, make sure you say your name in the news. I said it. At the very last part of it, let's try it again. Let's do some news, TD. That's my name. Don't wear it out.

A good. producer would know the first time around was great. It was fine. Everyone got it. Now you just wasted the whole minute. Give me a break. I missed Dan already. All right. Let's start with the most surprising news of the last few days. And that was Monday night when we learned Chris Borland retiring from the NFL linebacker who led the league in tackles for the weeks that he was starting. You know, he wasn't in the starting lineup up early his rookie season. He missed the last couple games with an ankle injury. But in between, when

he was starting, he was the league leader in tackles by a wide margin, and he's decided to retire essentially over future health concerns. You know, he's done a lot of research into brain injuries, and he just decided for him it was the right choice to step away from the game at 24. It's been a lot of conversation about this last couple days. Mark Sessler, what was your first reaction? Man, I was surprised. I was home. It was like, what, evening on the West Coast, not a whole lot happening on Twitter. Then that thing dropped. And I mean, I think we all of us, with Borland last year, it was around that Rams game, week six or week seven, when he had started to see more snaps, where when we checked him out on Game Rewind, wow, he just was a different

kind of player and a forceful one. And also, everyone, all they've ever said about him, he loves football. Football was his life. So to make this decision, decision from him, especially not some fringe guy, but someone who really looked like he had an extremely bright future, it's, yeah, it's a discussion piece based on that alone. Well, he's a player with his physical limitations. He knew that his playing style was going to be more conducive to health concerns. He had to play at a higher level. He had to be more physical than most players.

Well, that was what to find him was how physical he was. And that really struck me because if you read the article on ESPN, which was really well done, that he started having concerns in training camp when he thought he might have fought through a concussion or some sort of head injury. He wasn't sure because he wanted to make the team. He didn't want to report it.

And yet, he was having these concerns. He wrote a letter to his parents that he doesn't think he's going to be long for the NFL. That was before the season. And yet he went out there when he was on the field, you would have never guessed that. It wasn't like a guy that played with any caution, that he played with total abandoned for the year he was out there.

Yeah, and I think one of the dichotomies of football is that since it started as oversized cool miners and psychopass in the 1920s and 30s, it's been the fringes of society. And for most of the time the football has happened, it hasn't been little kids eating Twinkies and riding in their mom's minivan who grew up to be, outside of quarterbacks, really, who grew up to be football players. It's been players who need it, who need that opportunity for the money.

And I think Borland's an example of somebody who has options. It also reminded me a little bit of the 1960s and 70s. There were a lot of players that were backing out of the NFL at younger ages, not because of concussions, but more because they didn't agree with the social ramifications. George Sauer of the Jets, Dave Megzi. Right. There was a number who, you know, kind of coming out of the 60s that were really anti-establishment and kind of against what the NFL stood for. And this is different. This is more of a health concern. But it struck me, it reminded me a little bit of that.

Go ahead. No, I just, I also from another angle, the, I kind of cannot stand Twitter. And what happened with this issue on Twitter over the next 12, 24 hours is a classic reason. because people wanting to overly praise him and overly judge him where it's like, look, he made his decision, that's sort of the start and the end of it and wanting to link it to the other young retirements that have happened when really those situations were each completely different. Right, and what else is there to say other than more power to them? Exactly.

Like, what else can you say than that? Damashik was pointing this out of it. What else can you say other than you respect that decision, more power to them? There's room for nuance in this story, but Twitter isn't the place to get that. Twitter is the place to get affirmation for your own opinions. Right.

And I think to me the interesting part of these discussions is there is another side of it that Pete Gent, if you've read North Dallas 40, one of the greatest football books, he talks about in the beginning the physicality of the game and that how alive he felt that he felt more in one Sunday than he felt later on an entire years. So how do you put a price on that and what is worth it? I think it's a question, it's the most interesting question about this whole dilemma. Well, it's a question every NFL player has to make. And the reality is there's probably a lot of Chris Borland's out there,

but they take themselves out of the mix well before they get to the NFL. Yeah, totally. Because, I mean, it is a tough decision to decide to play. I mean, football's no joke. That's why we're writing about it. I mean. That's why. Well, I guess there's a lot of reasons.

Well, and there's a lot of reasons why. No, what I mean is that we're not playing it, that it takes a certain type of person, and you brought it up with the background, too. I think another great book about football is bringing down the house. I have the name right. About the 1988 through 90 Eagles. Bringing the heat.

Bringing the heat. I'm an idiot. Mark Bowden? I just... Stan were here. He would know we are nerding out big time at the moment. By the way, and I just mentioned a Queen Latifah movie, I think instead of the book I meant.

But they talked about what they called the sluice. And it was like the amount of people that start out playing football in seventh grade and how that just keeps getting whittled down and whittled down. And just what a lottery and what a miracle it is to somehow make it to the NFL from all those people battling. And it's amazing to see a guy who at this point hasn't been injured in the NFL to make that decision about his health. I think like, and this is one thing people didn't talk about.

And Chris just mentioned it, I mean, he has other options. And it's not just the physical sensation of Sundays, like you mentioned in that book, but it's the adulation that comes along with being on the field and hoisted up. To walk away from all that and money and everything else, that's why it's completely an outlier-type move on his part. But he's got other options. Yeah, at this point. He says he wants to get into sports management, which is interesting.

I mean, I take that to mean being an agent or something like that, maybe going back to school. Quickly, let's hit on the 49ers aspect of this, that they lose. another inside linebacker just after they lose Patrick Willis. It's been kind of a disastrous offseason for them. We'll get to that later. Are you worried about the middle of their defense? Absolutely.

I mean, Patrick Willis was a six-time all-pro. Navarro Bowman hasn't played since he shredded his knee. He's a giant question mark. Chris Borland was in the rookie of the year race, despite playing only half the season. Those are three, I mean, three of you could say top ten inside linebackers in the NFL. Yeah, and they were diverse, and then they wanted to trade away because they were so deep at one point, or maybe they didn't like this guy, Michael Wilhoit, but he's not going to get traded at this point. He's got to stay right there and probably starts opposite of Bowman next season unless they go and get someone.

He's not a bad player from what, at least they think he's not a bad player. No, he's a decent, but you're going from the best of the best to a decent starter. They have done. I mean, Balke found Borland in the third round, and the Niners, the year before he was the GM, found Bowman in the third round, so they know what they want, and they've done a good job landing these guys without having to burn the highest possible pick. But now, this team has a lot of needs suddenly, and you're drafting for need over the best player available potentially. Right, and they've lost a lot of people at the middle of their defense. Ray McDonald is

gone now. Justin Smith is probably going to go, although we don't know that for sure right now, and then the two inside linebackers. So it's been a rough-off season for the 49ers. Could it be a rough-off season for Philip Rivers fans in San Diego. This dropped yesterday, and to me it was the most interesting and surprising news of the week. Philip Rivers said that the Chargers couldn't do anything between now and the season to make him sign a new contract, that he plans to play the season out and see what happens. That kind of blew my mind. Like, really?

Paying you $22 million a year, that wouldn't do it for you, could Philip Rivers be an ex-charger by the end of May? It's possible. As part of that article in the UT San Diego by Kevin ASE, a really good article, there are rumors flying, he said, rampant speculation brewing, that the chargers are into Marcus Marietta. And to me, if you want to get into some dock connecting, who number two pick over all is the Titans.

They have a chance of getting Marriota. They also have Ken Wisenhunt, who was the play caller during Philip Rivers' 2013 comeback player of the year. And Nashville isn't far from where Philip Rivers grew up. He apparently, the gist of that article was Philip Rivers really likes the South and isn't crazy about L.A. Only problem is you're then the quarterback for the Tennessee Titans. Well, there's a lot of dock connecting.

It's not just by us. I talked to someone in the NFL media news group this morning, and this conversation had been out there. And the move to Los Angeles for the Chargers, the potential move to Los Angeles, is kind of hovering over things. And Rivers and AC even made it clear that they might not be a big fan if they move to Los Angeles.

It might not be. Right, that he wants to see where the franchise is in a year in terms of their roster and, like, literally where will they? they be that that could be a factor shocking that a man with a giant collection of bolo ties might not see himself fitting in in l a la i mean l a accepts all types but i think he's he wants to go somewhere san diego by the way is not you know bumpkinville out in the hill country there are a passel of country music songs from the outlaw country days until recently of men bemoaning l a what about bigfoot west you guys have been there that's like a country bar right that is not a country

bar. No, that's a hipster haven. It's the closest thing I go to it. You could, like, peel off the fake wood and see what it was before. A country bar. So, Ken Wisenhut's there, and, you know, the talk in Tennessee, the talk, you know, around this Rivers thing is that Ken Wisenhunt would move heaven and earth to go get Philip Rivers. And it makes all the sense. Why wouldn't he? Right. It makes all the sense in the world. Ken Wisenhunt knows another two and 14, and his head coaching career in the NFL could be over for good.

He knows Rivers is legit, and he's got that number two pick. Mark, you have had a Cessler about Drew Brees getting traded this off season. Could it be that your Cessler radar is, you know, just a little off? And instead of an X Chargers quarterback, it's the current Chargers. That's possible. I mean, maybe, you know, the roots of the organization he was once with is where this is actually fine-tuned. Maybe it's Rivers. I mean, the Titans, if they were not interested in Marriota,

at the combine. The other thing they were saying with all their pretty built words about wanting a quarterback is that we will sell this pick. And if you're Ken Wizz and Hunt and you're on your last legs potentially, you have to come to grips with the fact that, yes, you've done a nice job with top 10 veteran quarterbacks, the Kurt Warner's, the Big Ben's, the Phillip Rivers of the world, but you have done nothing with young quarterbacks. Do you want to hinge what is left in Tennessee on Marcus Marriota? You've done great with Hall of Fame quarterbacks. You're not so good with basically everyone else. Curtain Jerkers.

I love this, by the way. You're putting Marriota into the mix now as a potential trade on draft day. Philip Rivers as a potential trade. The Chargers, you know, it can make, like, Dan Hansus believe that the Titans are a real NFL team and shut him up. I mean, it'd be, this is great. Greg's out of his seat. He's out of his seat. I'm just saying to be a little intrigue.

It sounds out of his throne of ease. And after what happened. last week, why would anything like this shock us? Right. I guess that's what I mean, is it felt like the NF stall offseason was quieting down, and I really like this. And on some level, I don't know why the Chargers would really do it. But if they really love Marriota, like the article says, who knows?

I don't think you can talk about this story without also mentioning it that Chargers have, if they want Philip Rivers there, he's going to stay there because they have the franchise tag to hit with him next year. Right, and I didn't even clarify. He's under contract this year. That's the last year of his contract. and then you mentioned the franchise tag, which they would happily give him a one-year $20 million contract.

I don't think they would mind doing that at all. It wouldn't be the last guy that was forced to move to L.A. for his job. We've got two in this room. I'm happily here, but you guys, man, we had to drag you here into Los Angeles. That's an accurate statement. I've totally enjoyed it, though. I'm embracing it. I like living in L.A., but you're right.

I was more or less forced to move here. I am slowly seeing the light. I am enjoying L.A. T.D., did you choose to live in Los Angeles? No, actually, moving to L.A., I moved for the job. Okay. Like a week after I moved. Yeah, that's basically what I did.

But I tried to do the job from New York for a year, and then they weren't that big of a family. I tried to stay in Georgia, and Greg told me to pack up my bags and get out to L.A. That was never going to be an option. Another guy being forced to move somewhere, I guess he made the choice. Charles Clay. He's moving from Miami to Buffalo. Poor Charles Clay. Yeah, Chuckie.

He signed an offer sheet with the bills. they made it heavily front-loaded, $24.5 million over the first two years, so it is unlikely the Dolphins will match it. Most likely he will be Buffalo Bill by the end of the week. They have Sunday until Sunday to match it, and because of the rules of the transition tag, the Dolphins get nothing in return for it. Well, the bill structured this so it would hurt the dolphins in 2016

when Sue has a monster cap figure, which was smart of the bills, because the Dolphins don't think that Clay is worth that kind of money. I mean, I think if you're Miami and you just signed Jordan Cameron, too, you have to look at bringing Clay on again as maybe more of a luxury than a necessity. Man, the money is kind of crazy for what he is. But Buffalo, man, they must have fallen in love with him. Clay has got some excellent PR operatives in his camp because he got into that NFL top 100 players of last season.

And some people thought that was, you know, he's a good, I think he's a nice player. Right. But is he, you know, some of the people that were left out of that, in favor of him? Leo Jones. Well, he got the same guaranteed money as Jimmy Graham did after holding out. I mean, he got... What?

Right? He got $20 million guarantee. That's what Jimmy Graham got. He got about the same as Julius Thomas, who made it to free agency. It's that Buffalo tax you're talking about. And I know that the total deal is only worth a little less than $8 million a year, but for the next two years, he's making $12.5 a year. That's quarterback money.

That is way more than Gronk or Jimmy Graham. that's like almost Calvin Johnson money for the next two years, and you hope that he stays healthy for the whole five years. But if he stinks or if he gets hurt next year, you have just paid Charles Clay quarterback money for two years when he might be your fourth leading receiver. On a team with no quarterback. Right.

It's a lot of scratch for a guy who plays a position that doesn't exist in the NFL anymore. Sammy Watkins is probably going to catch more than him. Percy Harvin, I would take over him. And Lashon McCoy will probably have more catches than him. It's crazy. But if you're a Bills fan, as much as they're spending a lot of money, going for it. I kind of like that how, you know, part of you has to like that they have a big league owner

that's going to spend a lot. And maybe they'll make some big mistakes, but you would rather that than the alternative. I mean, the Bills are getting aggressive. Well, if the Bills hadn't traded away their first round pick, maybe they could have made a run at Philip Rivers. You could put that team into the AFC's contention if you add him to the mix. Ooh, I like that. one team that will not be in contention for anything

other than perhaps the number one overall pick next year is the Oakland Raiders. They signed Trent Richardson to a two-year contract worth a surprising amount of money. I think even the agent of Trent Richardson, I'll just say, was surprised about how much money he could extract for Trent Richardson. Your thoughts, Chris Wesleyan.

They finally found somebody willing to take their money. Nobody else was going to give Trump. What about Nate Allen? Some of these Raiders deals are crazy that have come out when the money comes out. They have been overpaying. There's been a Buffalo tax this offseason and an Oakland tax. To get their players there, they've been paying a lot. Mark is making a face.

Well, it's like you shouldn't have to tax someone to live in Northern California, but when you've got the Raiders situation, that's a nice little cutout. It's a difference. It's like Curtis Lofton also got a lot of money. It's like no one else is giving Curtis Lofton that kind of money. The Raiders have had this coming to them because I remember growing up the 90s when there was a Cincinnati tax. Nobody wanted to go play for the Bengals, so guys like Warren Sapp would use the Bengals' interest to go drive up the price, didn't sign with

the Raiders. Shoes on the other foot now, Raiders. Well, the Raiders, I don't know about the guaranteed money. He might not even make the team. I mean, Latavius Murray and Roy Hulu are much better players, so I don't expect Trent Richardson to be a big impact. Well, he's getting paid. He's getting paid around the same as Hulu. Here's a stat for you. Over 600 career carries for Trent Richardson. He has four runs over 20 yards in 600-some carries. Latavius Murray had 82 carries last year and had four runs over 20 yards. Wow.

I mean, I know that's Murray had more yards in one carry, I think, last year than Trent Richardson has ever had in his career. There was so much heat about them going out and redoing their entire backfield. And Murray probably is the best guy they've had last year this year already. They didn't have to do all that work. But one thing about this self-scouting in Oakland, you go out and get MJD last year, you throw money at him,

you throw money at Darren McFadden, and now you've added, Hulu is fine. That's not a bad addition. But Trent Richardson, it's like, who is scouting running backs inside this organization? And from what year are they watching videotape? It's the same person who was watching all of Matt Shob's videotape last year and decided this would be a good trade target.

I do like, though, that there is something, about the Raiders that is stuck since Al Davis is passing, that they're still kind of making moves that Al Davis would make. Isn't Trent Richardson an Al Davis move? Isn't Malcolm Smith an Al Davis move signing the big names that kind of failed elsewhere,

the Super Bowl MVP's. No, Al Davis was all about speed and Trent Richardson's the slowest running back I've ever seen. That's a fair point. I feel like Richardson's just not been healthy and he may never be healthy again to the point of where he was drafted. I mean, he's also too heavy. And what about Oakland and their offensive line

and what we've seen from them is going to be everyone's called the cults the best fit ever for him. Well, I think. So, right, he said that he wasn't treated right, and someone pointed out that it was a bad marriage, and someone pointed out like, essentially the cults are a great catch. They are great looking.

They're smart. There's everything you would want in a marriage would be the Colts for a running back. Sure. Trent Richardson was out philandering. He was a bad husband, was the idea. I forget whoever's tweet this was. Mark's right. The weight issues maybe hasn't been healthy, but you have to wonder about his mental.

He's delusional. He comes up to Jack Del Rio and says, oh, he said today, well, you know what? Jack Del Rio really gave me an epiphany by asking, what if I'm out of football? That thought never entered his mind until Jack Del Rio? No, I don't think so. He's been the laughing stock of the. NFL. Right, but he still probably sees himself as a

star. That's a total lack of self-awareness. Well, and he's 24, so that's what happens with that age. I mean, you know, maybe with millions and millions of dollars. Yeah, when you've been told up until two years ago... Doesn't seem like Russell Wilson has that issue. Well, Russell Wilson's a complete, he's

completely unusual in that situation. Some 24-year-olds are ahead of others. You know, I know, West, you were out there searching for the meaning of life at 24. I was, I had just left the post office for the law firm. I was living in a commune in bold, not a commune, but it was a farmhouse with about 12 people in it. So, you know, where was my head at? My parents probably thought. I was, like, in between jobs I had left L.A. after working in TV for a while, and I was

teaching tennis for six months. You sound like by far the most productive of the group. Well, it wasn't, what didn't pay very well, I'll tell you that. You know who is getting paid well? How about that? Greg Hardy, who would have thought he would have gotten so much money? He's going to be a Dallas Cowboy. What could go wrong? Greg Hardy in Dallas. I mean, this is a match made note. I like it. Why do you like it?

Because I think the contract's smart. If he comes in and he plays and he's on the field a bunch and he produces, he gets paid a ton. And if he doesn't, you know, if there's any more off-the-field issues, he doesn't get paid much at all. So the details here were he could make up to $13 million if he hits all his incentives. But $9 to $10 million were in per-game roster bonuses. So this saves the Cowboys from paying Greg Hardy when he inevitably, we think, get suspended. So he'll only end up making, you know, at most, 10 games you would think, of this salary. Although we're talking about things we don't really know.

We don't know if he's going to get suspended six games. We don't know if he's going to get suspended 12 games. Well, they're hedging their bets. So that Cowboys built it in. I was really surprised that he even got this much money. I think they were bidding against themselves. I don't think anyone was going to pay Greg Hardy this kind of money coming off the year he had. With that all said, it's a gamble I think that's probably worth taking.

He's a great pass rusher, and they'll have him motivated. I thought of everyone who made it to the open market, this does not include guys that got the franchise tag. From a pure football standpoint, only Sue and Dorel Revis would be ranked ahead of Hardy. I mean, you'd be right up there If you take that stuff away, he'd be right up Well, it's funny you say that now I'm the one that had him sixth overall In our original rankings

And you had him like 17th And I couched that by saying This isn't based on talent alone That when you're purchasing free agents You have to factor in suspensions and public image Is there anything though about the fact That if he does get suspended six games That you're putting on the field

Suddenly a guy that hasn't played in 22 straight games I mean that's a big That's why it's a bigger risk You're right. Yeah. But it's also not an old guy. He's not an injured player. But you're right.

You would think it's going to take him a while to get back up to speed. But we talked about that they didn't have a pass rush at all last year. And now they add Greg Hardy, and he's not a pass rusher, but they also hope to add Sean Lee to their front seven. So in theory, you're getting two of the best defensive players in the league from 2013. We're still pretty young. How about putting Sean Lee on a game-by-game contract? This has got West thinking my great player point.

Well, they also lost their entire linebacker corps. Right. From last year. Bruce Carter, Justin Durant. Rolando McLean is a free agent. I think they'll probably bring them back. This also is a reminder, by the way. Everyone said, oh, they can't pay anyone.

You couldn't get Adrian Peterson. I mean, they're paying Greg Hardy a lot of. Find a way. Can I always find a way. The Ravens found a way to get rid of another player who got in trouble with the law. I believe this is the third player today that was arrested in the offseason that they have released. That player is Bernard Pierce.

Their backup running back during their Super Bowl run to Ray Rice. And now, of course, both players are off the team. He had a DUI after going out on St. Patrick's Day, and he is quickly off the roster. Poor guy knew what was coming, too. Why is that? According to the arrest report. Oh, that's right. What did he say?

Well, tell the listeners, told the officers when they arrested him, you know, the last guy on this team to get arrested, they released him the next day. And he's like, I know you guys don't care, just letting you know. That's how it's going to be for me. And that clockwork. I remember being at that Super Bowl with you, Greg, and Pierce in that game, I thought, I was like, oh, you know, even if Rice slows down, they suddenly have the next guy right in here. He's an interesting running back, and then two years later, they're completely refurbished in the backfield.

Not to be cynical, but if he played better last season, I don't know if he's definitely cut in this situation. He was a disappointing player last season, really the last two seasons. Ever since Dan ranked him very high on his offseason, running back rankings a couple years ago. Well, that is unfair. Coming off that Super Bowl. That is unfair. I've got to stick up for Dan. That is not, you know, that's an ages old post.

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How do you know? I dug into the hits, and I don't know what's going on down in South America, but something caught fire, and then there were a lot of people listening to show on that. It is crazy. You can break it down by country, and it's wild the different countries. There's always, like, four people in, like, Togo. Is that a place? Yes, it is.

Yeah. There's always like. We're big in Togo. Right. We love you four guys. They're just hanging out. They meet up. They talk out of the coffee shop.

Maybe they should invite us to talk. There's a lot of countries I've never heard of that. Hashtag onto to togo. Yeah. To go to togo. I like it. Let's move on to a couple final

quick news items that we'll get through quickly before we go to our free agency wrap-ups. Mark, you're going to be going to Phoenix in a few days. Connor is also going with you. One of the topics in Phoenix

will be all the rule proposals. You wrote up an article today on some of the rule proposals. I found it most interesting that the Colts proposed a nine-point possession. So you could score a touchdown, and then if you go for two and you get it, you could kick what would basically be a 50-yard field goal to get one more point, and that would be the nine-point possession.

I love it. It will never pass, but I like. I like how creative they were, that they just, like, made up some... It sounds like someone was drinking a lot. Well, that sounds like a team that knows it's going to be. down by 30-something points to the Patriots in the playoffs and he needs to get back in. Thanks for making that joke, so I didn't have to. That's great.

That one will never pass. That was insane. What you just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. The more substantive ones were about instant replay and challenges and everyone wants to get rid of or wants to add to what you can challenge. The Patriots would like to challenge everything, literally. They said that you could challenge everything. Not the lions made it more specific. They'd like to just challenge any penalty.

Why shouldn't the Patriots should just admit what they're doing? They should, we want to make a football game 12 hours long. Right. And that's part of the reason why I'll never pass. They could expand it to things like personal foul penalties, things like that. Were there any other big takeaways you had here? I think the takeaway was that there weren't a lot of sexy potential rule changes. But they also said, which annoys me to no end, that the whole discussion,

There's going to be no new rule about what a catch is. They're going to sit around and have a conversation about the language in the rulebook about what a catch is. To what, West, just make it three times murkier? Yeah, they don't want to go to the root cause of the problem, which is that it's the most confusing role in all of sports. They just want to clarify the language. The shadowy league figure is. It's entirely confusing.

It's a lame role, and nobody knows what a catch is, including your referees, including your coaches, is including your players, including your fan. Ed Hockely has just entered the role. But if you're at the Biltmore and Phoenix and you got some time to kill, why not sit around and just talk about it and do nothing about it?

There you go. Patriots also proposing to move the extra point back again. I like that they're not giving up on this and putting cameras on all sidelines and in the end zone and everything, which I think should pass one of these years. You're a huge lobbyist for that. Well, it's insane.

the most wealthy and influential sports league in the country by far, and we can't have cameras set up at the goal line at every stadium? I mean, it seems like a very small thing to ask for. Oh, one other one. They want to have coaches no longer use the red challenge flag. If they would call a timeout instead. It would call timeout instead, and they get the timeout back. I like that.

No more red flag for Chris Wesleyan. That helps Lovie Smith, Marvin Lewis, Andy Reed. Helps a few of these coaches. I don't know. It puts a little more pressure on taking those timeouts. Ultimately, it's not hard for them to fish around in their pocket for the red flag? I'm probably wrong about this. Greg's right.

They could lose a timeout automatically instead of through the machinations of the rule. Right. It'll punish them more, so maybe it'll stop them from doing it. And maybe we would miss out on Bill Belichick fishing into his sock for the flag like he does. It's one of my favorite moments. All right, let's crank through these last few ones. Bradley Fletcher is going to the Patriots. Chris, you wanted to talk about this.

Well, he lost his confidence in Philly last year to the point where he was getting burned on a regular basis and was basically a laughing stock. And no doubt in my mind, the Patriots will turn him into a Pro Bowl cornerback. I hope so that would be awesome. Stevie Johnson is going to the San Diego Chargers. Well, we kind of thought he was going to join Bradley Fletcher and go to the Patriots, but he's chosen to maybe be quarterbacked by a team without Philip Rivers. It's got to be attractive.

I know. I wish they released that article beforehand. Maybe they were holding off. I would have liked to see Stevie Johnson in New England. Bigger role? I mean, they need wide receivers, that's for sure. Malcolm Floyd, Keenan Allen, Stevie Johnson. You know, their running backs are weird, green gates.

It's a lot of, like, okay receivers after Keenan Allen, but not great receivers. And let's finish on a big note. Michael Crabtree, still looking for work. Are you surprised, Chris Wessling? Not surprised at all. Visiting Miami, though, who may be. Mike Tannenbaum, apparently, is a big fan of him. Is that a concession that they won't be matching the Charles Clay off?

I think signing Jordan Cameron was that concession. And if I was the Dolphins, I'd now like that Jordan Cameron move better because they're giving Jordan Cameron less money than they would have had to give Charles Clay. I'd take that. I'll take my chances. I would rather have a healthy Jordan Cameron definitely over Charles Clay, but that's the thing. You don't know if Jordan Cameron will stay healthy.

I guess all this business about the 49ers at the Comby saying, We want Michael Crabtree back. Well, okay, you've had a nice month to sit on that. Right. They don't want them back too much. I guess that was just hot air. Well, Matt Mayoko of the CSM Bay Area said that if, of all the teams on Michael Crabtree's wish list, the 49ers ranked 33rd. Yeah, he doesn't want to go back there.

Yeah, at all. I would want to go to Miami, too. Sounds like fun if we have to leave here. All right, let's talk about who got better in free agency. That was a power pack news, but we still have some. some time, talk about which teams we think got better in free agency over the last, I guess it's only been a week, but really even the pre-free agency period, everything that's happened. It's really the most interesting, busy time of team building in the whole year, I think,

over the last 10 days. So let's start with Mark Sessler. I'm going to go Seahawks, and it's not overly complex. I mean, you're a team that already was arguably the best, most talented team in football, certainly in the NFC. And you've added Jimmy Graham to the mix addressing your biggest need, the passing game which had issues down the stretch. You haven't just drafted someone that you hope will work.

You've got a home run total playmaker here. He'll make Russell Wilson that much better. You'll lose Max Unger in the deal. They definitely are going to need to find some depth along the line. But other than that, this just makes Seattle head. heads and tails the best team in that division, probably the conference. It's amazing because Seattle hasn't really done anything else. Yeah, that's what I mean.

It's a very simple move. Yeah, and that one move is such a home run, and I agree with you, that they feel like one of the better teams. Do you think they're by far the favorites in the NFC or just a little bit ahead of the rest? I think it's a little early to talk about this. We grade all this free agency by who acquires new players. I think the Packers won free agency. They re-signed their own guys.

Mark made this point earlier. I've seen this pointed out in several places that Julius Pepper is the only player on their entire roster right now who has ever played a down for another team other than the Packers. They do it the right way. They build through the draft. They sign their own.

They extend their own. They kept Randall Cobb. They kept Brian Belaga. And this is a team that controlled the NFC championship game for three and a half quarters. To me, they're right there with the Seahawks. Well, you just gave away your team that got better and free agency. There it is. They're one of them.

Yeah. I mean, the best teams in and free agency are the teams that don't even need it. And Green Bay, it's a huge thumb to the nose to everyone else that says we're not even going to use this there's three ways to get better. I'm going to touch this side. Because they build completely in-house. And I think that

bad teams that don't have a quarterback have to desperately go out and find these other shiny parts. And it's a terrible cycle to be in. We've seen that with the same teams year after year. In Green Bay when you have a good quarterback, since 1992, you can build differently. I think they have the deepest roster in the NFL, which is, it's crazy that they don't have

any free agents that are part of it. Right. Packer Report.com, I believe, their Twitter account was the first to uncover that Julius Peppers is currently the only member of the roster that's ever played for any other team. Isn't that wild, TD? Something West pointed out about 12 seconds ago. But when you can get that point home twice. That's why he's furrying it.

I was trying to organize and see what was going on. You know, I understand, Dan, you're out there. I feel your pain. Sometimes you miss the point. You'll have that. I like Wes's angle better because he gave me credit for that when it definitely did not come from me. So, I really...

We've got to mention it on NFL now this morning. I'm going to take a five-minute time out. You guys just take over the show. I've been suspended. I would add the cult as a winner. Okay. We said over and over again in November and December that this was an offense that is the most explosive in the league when it's not being held hostage

by Trent Richardson and an injury ravaged Reggie Wayne. So they upgraded, I mean, Frank Gore is the opposite of Trent Richardson. He's extremely reliable, and Richardson was not reliable. And Reggie Wayne just, his body broke down. It's not his fault. But Andre Johnson caught 85 passes last year, closed out the season and season finale with a 10-catch 134-yard game. Proven he still had plenty left in the tank.

Preach! If he can catch 85 passes. passes from what uh mallet and fitzpatrick and savage he don't forget case keanum catch a hundred from from andrew luck well i mean and then so we were just glowing over ted thompson and the cults are a different grigson's a totally different type of team a wheeler and dealer he wants to sign people there are other ways to get it done too and the cults feel like one of those let's get over the top we want to challenge the patriots we have our sights set on them you go add frank or andre johnson you think they're good enough to get there i don't know well i hope you have

one of you has been already made this point, but the Colts last year, whereas the Packers led the league in having the most drafted players on their team, the Colts led the league and having the most free agents on their team. And that was last year. That was before they signed Todd Harriman's who's going to start for them. Kendall Langford, who will play for them. You mentioned Donnie Johnson. Trent Cole is a good sign for them.

They bring back Mike Adams, as he said. I like, you can't really fault. They have to do some things in free agency. I don't know if Kendall Langford. Trent Coole and the return of Robert Mathis will stop Ligarrett Blunt in the playoffs. But I like what they've done on offense. I like thinking that teams would have to strategize just to stop Ligarrett Blunt. This team certainly has to.

He only has one good game every year. My winner, one of my winners, but I guess it's my main winner, I'm going to give it to the Buffalo Bills. Now, I didn't love the money that they gave to Charles Clay. I don't love the Buffalo tax that they had to give to Lashon McCoy. or Matt Castle, for that matter. But I do think Matt Castle is a significant upgrade from E.J. Manuel, even though West disagrees.

Totally disagree. I do think Lashon McCoy is a significant upgrade from C.J. Spiller, which no one's going to disagree about. And I do think overall, they've made their team much better with Percy Harvin and Charles Clay. So even if the money is a little crazy, like they had the cap room, and this is a much better team right now than they were. a month ago, and they were already pretty good. They're a dangerous team.

Yeah, you also, I mean, it's hard to always come back to this point. It's probably one reason that I almost went Jets here, but I have to leave the Jets off the list. I mean, it's nice. They were aggressive like the Bills. Well, because you don't have a quarterback. Dan was offended. He saw our show rundown, and he said,

typical that we left the Jets. Well, they've gotten a lot of attention on this show, and I think that we, I think that they, at least, unlike during the Glacier phase, went out and said, we're going to go bring back players that mean something to the door. organization into our fans, and we're going to throw a lot of money. Now, that's got to work. Yeah, but they brought in one big difference maker. I guess two. You've got to give Marshall

a difference maker, too. He's a difference maker, too. So they had two. Buffalo, to me, brought in difference makers. I mean, Harvin is a difference maker. Clay is a good addition. Hughes was a big re-signing. McCoy's obviously. I mean, these are... What does it mean? Prime time players? Like if you are, let's say it is Matt Castle for 11 games and E.J. Manuel for five, what is the difference? How many more games does this team win? It means you the prettiest eight and eight team in the league. They're basically the Rams in the AFC.

Their defense at least has the potential to be good enough. And with all those weapon around them, I don't know, you can win. Some bad quarterbacks have had 11-12 win season. And this was a team, I think, was naturally going to fall off of what they did last year. So I think what these moves are doing, if not. nothing else is kind of preventing that from happening because it was going to be tough to go nine and seven with that type of quarterback play again who goes second place behind the 12 and four patriots next year i wish one of these years it's going to end so uh those were our best uh those were our teams

that who got better in free agency the colts the packers the bills and the seahawks but who got worse in free agency. Let's start with Mr. Wessling. You know, there are a lot of obvious answers here, but one that kind of has flown below the radar, a team that, and this may have been led by Damashik, tramping through the newsroom every day after the season, who's going to give the Patriots the hardest game in the AFC this year?

He thought it would be the Steelers, that they would be the biggest contender. I thought you were about to say the Texans, because he's a, Damashek is a huge Texans guy now. Anyway. Of late. I don't get that. Sorry. I don't get the Texans thing.

Yeah, I don't get the Texan thing. Sorry, your point. Well, they had a lot of needs. We thought they might fix the defensive backfield. They lose Troy Palomalu. They don't really fix safety. They don't fix cornerback. They don't do anything there.

Jason Worlds not only leaves, he retires. They don't want James Harrison back, even though James Harrison was the best defensive player on the field. for them in many of their second half games, I don't see how they've gotten better at all. I think they've gotten worse with all the losses they've had on defense. I mean, but that's kind of in a Packers-ish way. Unfortunately, they lost more people than the Packers.

The Steelers are never big free agent operatives. They just aren't. The difference is they don't manage their cap well, and they have to let some of their good young players walk away over the last couple years. And Ted Thompson would not let that happen. So at some point... first-round draft picks haven't panned out like they used to pan out. You're still waiting for Ryan Chazier and Jarvis Jones.

You don't know what they are right now. They're a team, I agree, that should be great. And then you look at the cap numbers, and then you start realizing why things can get a little crazy. When Lamar Woodley is on their cap this year for $8.5 million. He's been on two teams since. And you have Cortez Allen at 7 million cap hit. Cameron Hayward at 7.

And, you know, guys that aren't great, great players when they're that high up, then you get into problems. I mean, you think the whole division is kind of laughing. Well, yeah, once I started thinking about, the Ravens lose, Tori Smith, and Pernell McPhee. They usually draft well. They'll be at least 9 and 7 or 10 and 6. They usually are. The Bengals, I mean, we say this every year. We thought they might go out and get a quarterback to challenge Andy Dalton after another embarrassing first-round playoff loss.

And they said shortly thereafter, we're not going to do that. I don't care what else they do with the roster. Yeah, they were rather inactive, otherwise. They're not a winner if they did bring back Mike Nugent. Well, there you go. The Browns, they lose Kyle Sheenahan, Josh Gordon, their quarterback's in rehab. They signed Josh McCown, who was underwhelming to Mark and other Browns fans. Jordan Cameron's gone.

Jabal Sheard's gone. I mean, the Browns aren't a better team. Not at all. They probably lost more talent than some of these other teams in the division, honestly, when they can't afford to on any level. That's a good point. Well, they did add Tramon Williams and Randy Starks. We like those moves.

It paid a lot of money. Overall, they've lost more talent. You're right, the whole division. Very quiet. It was really an interesting, fun division. Maybe we go back to 1985 when the AFC Central winner was 8 and 8. I like that. Who is your loser here?

Let's talk about a team that's not going to be 8 and 8 this year, and that's the 49ers. They might be 3 and 13 because, yes, you signed Tori Smith, and I don't know why he decided to go there. I mean, we talked about it. Chris Borland came out of nowhere. That's a disaster. Patrick Willis is gone. Frank Gore is gone. Whether you like Michael Crabtree or not, he's out the door. I mean, Justin Smith probably won't be back. The core of your defense, the heart of it, right up the gut, is completely shredded and gone. That was what the Niners were under Harbaugh. And when they were on offense, they were running the ball with Gore. And really, at this point,

you've got to turn to a second year running back. And Reggie Bush, unless they go out of the people, to anchor what is what they say, Jim Tom Sula says, wants to be a run-heavy team again. I just, I don't see it. I think there's a lot. This is another team that's going to go out and draft for need. Well, they brought back Blaine Gabbard. Again, you know, if it's not Mike Nugent,

it's Blaine Gabbard. He's killing us with his comebacks. I don't know what. It's a wonderful bit you have going on. How do I logic that? I'm just saying that one kind of flew under the radar. Yes, it did, and he might play. I mean, that's scary.

You know who, you know who's running their offense, too? You know who's running their offense, too? It's a guy that was the third, the guy that Jim Harbaugh thought was the third or fourth best coach, offensive coach they had. You know? He wasn't the offensive coordinator under Jim Harbaugh, who's a great offensive mind. He was the next in command after Greg Roman, who also's gone. So it's just, that whole thing to me, that's my biggest concern with them on top of all the players they

are. It feels like a pond in late summer. The water's not fresh. It's just old, smelly water. Come on. You've got to get, we've got to get some rainwater in there and clean this place out. Fetted. If the 49ers want to use that in any marketing brochures, like, feel free.

Yeah. We're old, smelly water. I do, I can already see myself in a future podcast in August talking about the 49ers, like I was talking about the Cowboys going into last year. You'll be five and one in Tom Sula as like a local hero. I kept, like, trying to say, a lot of you guys had the Cowboys as the worst five teams of league, and I kept just saying, they'll probably be seven and nine.

They have a good quarterback. They have Tony Romo. I do kind of think maybe everyone's going to end up slamming the 49ers as this total disaster so much where, you know, they still have a lot of talented guys on the team. They have Kaepernick, and maybe they'll be a little more like a seven and nine type of team. That's all that.

It's wise words from our supervisor. My team that got worse over the last week, and this could get me in trouble with one particular shadowy league figure. It was the Denver Broncos. And I'm just looking at the facts. And here are the facts. They have re-signed Virgil Green and signed Owen Daniels to replace Julius Thomas.

That's a big time loss. They have signed Shelley Smith to replace Orlando Franklin. That's a big loss. She'll be good. They have lost Terrence Knighton. They have lost Rahim Moore. and they, to sign, to pick up a safety to replace for him more, they picked up Daryon Stewart, who the Ravens had no use for whatsoever.

So you just kind of look at the players that have gone out the door, and you look at the players that have come in, and it hasn't been really a very good off-season for the Broncos. Well, I think their entire future depends on which Peyton Manning shows up. I don't really even care about those moves. Julius Thomas is the big one. I don't care about you, Wes. No, I mean, Julius Thomas is huge.

This is my team that loss. Rahim Moore isn't a huge loss. Pot roast wasn't a natural fit for Wade Phillips. There are four of our top 30 players on our 101 free agent list. Look at that. Number 26, 16, 29, number three. Julius Thomas is the one that really stings because their offense sung when he was in there. But I still think it all depends on which Peyton Manning shows up.

And can Peyton Manning effectively roll out 25 times a game? They're not going to ask them to do that. But, I mean, it's a whole new. offense or it's some cobbled version of Kubiak's offense and what Peyton Manning's lobbying for that is that's one argument though I think that they could be better I'll take Gary Kubiak over Adam Gase I'm a I'm a Gary Kubiak fan I think success everywhere he's gone has offense we'll travel that you know that's a good thing but well I take him over Adam Gase and Jake Cutler right but you know not a lot of teams lost four quality

starter so those are our teams that got worse and What about the Cowboys? Who got worse? I was going to say, do we have any others? I know they just signed Greg Hardy, but they built their entire attack last year on DeMargo Murray, the offensive player of the year. And look, I know you're going to make fun of me. It would not surprise me if Darren McFadden does well in Dallas because of his running style.

He's always been more dependent than other running backs on his offensive line. He needs a big hole to run through. And I think Jerry and Stephen Jones probably think, hey, we turned DeMarco. Murray's career around, we can do the same thing for Darren McFadden, but that's a huge, huge gamble to, you know, when your whole foundation was DeMarco Murray last year. I think that's a fair prediction for McFadden, and they certainly liked him for specific reasons, but it also feels like a team that is going to have to go out and draft a starting running back unless they make a move here or some sort of a trade.

And that doesn't Trent Richardson tell us that the last time they talked about, listen, this running back coming up through the draft, this is a guarantee, no issue, going to be a total stud. We don't know anything. No one knows that for sure. Yeah. That's a lot of risks for a run-based offense. I guess they're getting Sean Lee back.

To play running back? Well, I'm just saying that's one big talented player coming over. I think they can draft a running back. I mean, Jerry... Sure, they can draft them, but it's like a lot... Actually, outside of DeMarco Murray, they've had some big misses when they've drafted running backs. The best running back in the draft is coming off in ACO.

hell injury. No one mentioned the Eagles here as a team that got worse. So is it safe to say we're not buying, I think if Dan was here, he might have picked the Eagles in fairness, but is it fair to say we're not buying all the doom and gloom about Chip Kelly's crazy month? Well, I don't know if they're better or worse. I've been taking a wait and see attitude toward what they're doing. If Sam Bradford is who Chip Kelly thinks he is or who he thinks he can turn him into, then they're better. But they could be much worse next year. I'm with you because if anything, Chip Kelly certainly feels like people saying he has no plan. Well, I think he very much is determined to do something his way, and I don't want to judge it right now.

I mean, a lot of, they imported a lot of injury risk type guys and let a lot of talent go. But who knows? That's a team that could still win 11 games. Yeah, I think it's interesting. I think they have brought in a lot of talent that his moves have been bold and a little crazy. I'm not so sure they're worse. It wouldn't surprise me if they're better. I want to see how this team comes together.

They didn't make the playoffs last year. They could be better than that. Right. I want to see how Sam Bradford looks in their offense. So it's like, if you look at their moves one by one, I don't think any one of them is crazy. But when you kind of add it all up, it's just, it's a lot of moves. No Patriots on this list either.

You guys just. They're going to be 12 and 4. I know, but they lost Derell Revis. Yeah, but they've been 12 and 4 100 times without Dorel Revis. They lost Will Fork. Yeah. Bringing the old medieval charm music. What are you doing? Do you trying to convince us to rip on your team?

No, I'm just asking the question. He's got his legs up on the table now. Throne of E's. This is great. You know what the Throne of Ease is? The throne of Ease is, I don't care if they go 9 and 7. I'm serious. Day one, I'm happy. This has been great.

It's been the best 14 years you could ever ask for. If it's over, I'm cool with that. Who's managed the salary cap better than the Patriots since Bill Belichick got there? Not a team in the league, so it doesn't bother me what they've done. I like what you're saying. All right, that's going to be it for today's show. We got to do a lot of stuff. I've been waiting for this since the top of the show.

This has been a long show here. I know. You've shown to be an expert in this field, so I want you to tell me what do these five things have in common? Last holiday, just right, beauty shop, hairspray, taxi. What are those five things? What do they all have in common? They're movies? Queen Latifah movies

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Yes that was it He would have never thought that he would have bounced back that strong as he has. Mercifully ended his movie crew. Well, that is a strong note to finish on Queen Latifah's... Out with a bang. IMDB page. Next week, we're going to talk about...

I don't know. Who should we talk about next week? Next show. Well, we're a show that's based on news as it happens, so we'll find out. And a lot of... Oh, man. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. I forget.

We're not coming back next week. We're going to be back on Friday with another show. Get ready. We've got to come up with some topics. Until then, Dan Hansis will be back for Friday's show. Until then, this is Greg Rosenthal. I'm signing off for Mark Sessler, Chris Wessling, T-D Behind the Glass. We'll see you Friday.

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