NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Why Brock Purdy is Worth the Money

Episode Date: May 20, 2025

Gregg Rosenthal is joined by Jourdan Rodrigue of The Athletic to break down Brock Purdy's new contract with the 49ers and tell you why he deserves the money. Before Purdy, Gregg and Jourdan react to N...ick Sirianni's extension with the Eagles (02:11) and Joe Thuney's extension with the Bears (07:05). Gregg and Jourdan then tell you why Purdy deserved his new contract with a look at how quarterbacks get paid nowadays (09:50), how the 49ers' roster is constructed (17:00), Purdy's development with the 49ers (33:40), and more! Note: time codes approximate. NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:01:01 Listen to the NFL Fantasy Football podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Toyota, the official automotive partner of the NFL. Visit Toyota.com slash NFL now to learn more. Welcome to NFL Daily, where we literally heard a man on the street yell Brock Purdy got paid last night. I'm Greg Rosenthalm here in the Chris Wessling podcast studio with my friend Jordan Rodrigue of The Athletic. And yes, there has never been a show in this studio that has talked more about Brock Purdy and the 49ers than this show will. Short King on Short King. He's not a short king.
Starting point is 00:01:43 We just checked. He's six foot even and five eight. Allegedly. So, no, if you measure it at the combine, I mean, they're not making those numbers up. So if you round up six one. They never make anything up at the combine. You're right. Come on.
Starting point is 00:01:56 I'm just kidding. You think they're making the measurements up? I don't think so. Colleen Wolf, who's usually with us on Tuesdays, had good morning football this morning. So, you know, that would have been a long day. We didn't drag her into this. We'll do a little bit of news.
Starting point is 00:02:09 And then, yes, I was serious. I literally was planning this show out, like prepping a little bit on the couch. My windows open. I can hear, you know, there's a coffee shop across the street. I can hear conversations from there sometime. And I heard another guy just yell as we're prepping.
Starting point is 00:02:25 He's like, Brock Purdy got paid, man. This was days after the contract. I thought that was a sign. Accurate. That's accurate. And also, I love you painting that picture. I love the journey that you've been on over the last couple of years of sort of awakening to the possibility that Brock Purdy could get a substantial yet not record setting contract and be worthy of that.
Starting point is 00:02:47 I think that this is really a big day for you, but also for me specifically. And I guess for Brock Purdy is. Okay. So the contract got signed Friday after. afternoon, and we're not just got to go over that. I just think Purdy is an interesting window to look at the entire rest of the NFL and how he kind of explains how the league works on some level and different trends of the league and the Shanahan tree and how contracts work and how they're reported. So it's not all Purdy. It's kind of looking at what it means for the big picture
Starting point is 00:03:15 of it all. And Fred Warner. The essence of Purdy. Yes. Fred Warner also got paid in the meantime. So we'll kind of throw that in the mix. Before we get to that, I do just want to knock out a couple items of news before we talk 49ers, first of which is Nick Siriani got paid. Not as surprised. He wasn't going to go into a contract year after he won the Super Bowl. And what a negotiating tactic it is to win a Super Bowl trophy. Really worked for Joe Flacco and it worked for Nick Siriani. Do you think the Nick Siriani contract extension will look like the Joe Flacco contract extension? I love that he got extended. I answer the question. Do I think it'll look? like the Joe Flacko extension? Yeah, just for people to remember back in the day, they let Joe Flacko play out his contract and then he was Super Bowl MVP that year. So he got paid at the very, very tippity top of the market. And that contract, I wouldn't say it aged terribly, but it didn't age great. What do you think? Will the Siriani contract do the same? I mean, I think it'll age well. I think we're in, honestly, my Nick Seriani take is that we are in for a roller coaster of a theatrical and a
Starting point is 00:04:23 dramatic ride with that guy as the head coach, the Philadelphia Eagles. But I think it's perfect for that team. Yes. And I think it's perfect for the ethos of that city. And I also think that there are probably a lot of lessons learned organizationally over the last couple of years about what kind of balances they need, checks and balances in some ways, especially with those coordinators. So yeah, I think this is just going to be like prime time viewing for all of us. He's awesome. It's funny how quickly all the Eagles fans that wanted him fired around week, four, week five last year, are in my mentions and J.P. Acosta's mentions. I'm trying to help you a little bit today. Just give you the positivity bump here because he was pretty low in your
Starting point is 00:05:04 ranking. I did see, I did see a couple people really went after you. The Eagles fans were not happy that he finished 15th. This was if JP and I were drafting a quarter, a coach to run our team, all things considered in a vacuum, who are we taking? And I do think to defend myself a little bit. He has a 70% winning percentage. He's perfect for that team. I do think on some level, he's a system coach. There is proof that he's not exactly running the offense or the defense. Correct.
Starting point is 00:05:35 And that he's not exactly choosing his coordinators. So the position that JP and I are in are picking people in a total vacuum. And I'd rather people that exhibited those specific qualities. He's more of a get everyone on the same page type of coach, like a Mike Rable, like a Mike Tomlin, like a Dan Campbell. And to me, he's on the lower tier of that. But he was ahead of Rable, for instance. I think it's really hard to get Vic Fangio to like you.
Starting point is 00:06:03 So that to me gives him a bump in my mind that he wants to be there, that he's okay with actually taking the number two or number three job on that coaching staff, whereas not necessarily the case in other places. I think it's a testament to Nick Siriani. Like, again, you're in a vacuum, I understand where your logic is coming from. To me, it more so seems like you're just saying you wouldn't want to be around him every day. No, I always defend. Like, as a person who many people find annoying, I like a person, Nick Siriani, who's comfortable in his own skin and is like not afraid to mix it up.
Starting point is 00:06:40 I kind of love that, but to me, that doesn't mean he would work everywhere. The Eagles are very specific that they, I don't think, consider the coach. first or second most important person in the organization or third. Like it's owner, it's GM, it's quarterback. I think it was a more fair conversation to group him around the Mike Tomlin, the Sean McDermott, the Nick Siriani conversation because especially in the Sean McDermott case, you know, it's Brandon Bean who's going out and getting Joe Brady. It's them collectively making those decisions. But also it's the collective staff empowering every coach to do their job. I think when you hear Nick Siriani talk, when you see some of the clips of him,
Starting point is 00:07:20 screaming on the sidelines, you think, oh, that guy must be very, like, hands-on, like, type A has to control everything when really the complete opposite was what was showcased and displayed in his team when they went to the Super Bowl and won it. Yeah, and he did an amazing job. Again, I can't stress enough how difficult it is to get Vic Fangio to like, like you. That's a fair point. That's why he's better on this list that two-time coach of the year, Kevin Stefanski, and Mike Rabel's won a lot of games.
Starting point is 00:07:48 Two-time coach of the year, Kevin Spankey. Don't get me freaking started on it. Let's also just quickly mention that the Eagles brought back Joe Douglas, did the former GM of the Jets who used to be in that organization. OTAs have started in earnest somewhat. New head coach teams have started this week. So I think there's six teams that are running OTAs this week. The rest of the league will start next week.
Starting point is 00:08:12 So that's real deal practices. We're going to get an update later in the week on the rules, changes potentially for the tush-push and the playoff seating, we'll wait until that all happens to kind of talk about it. And then Joe Tuni, the Bears Guard, got a two-year extension for $33.5 million. If you remember, the Bears didn't have to give up much in draft compensation to get Joe Tuni,
Starting point is 00:08:35 but the reason they were able to do that was they were willing to pay him this year. And I look at this extension, it looks like it's basically a two-year, fully guaranteed deal where he is making almost $17 million a year, which is great for a guard almost getting into his mid-30. So he got one more guaranteed year and the chiefs decided to move on and pay Trace Smith.
Starting point is 00:08:58 And much of the core up front and certainly around the roster in general is now connected to each other. They're now contractually tied together. It really is the bear saying this is going to be our core that we're investing in moving forward. Even Darnell Wright,
Starting point is 00:09:11 who I think in this case, it would be a fifth year option for him. It is very much them saying like this is who we are going to try to maintain continuity with around the quarterback who also will run contractually cheaply through much of that time. It's just like it's Ryan Poles and Ben Johnson saying, okay, we think we got it right this time. Trust us, bro. Yeah, there are other than Jonah Jackson, who's the right guard, who's kind of on a year to year and he has to earn that status. I think they're pretty locked in with the roster on the offense line, which is a great place
Starting point is 00:09:45 to be. I thought you're burying the lead. You have. had a dream about Joe Tooney. I did. I had a dream about Joe Tuny and I don't want to leave it there because this needs context. So the morning that we're recording this, I was like half dozing, trying to wake myself up to come in and tape our show and kind of clocking the news, getting some notifications, got a notification about the contract extension. And then I sort of dozed off and I am a very vivid dreamer. Like I for sure believe whatever I'm dreaming about is happening in real life. And it's so, it's like very descriptive and detailed. So basically, I'm sitting in a room with Joe Tuny and I think I'm going there to interview him about his contract extension,
Starting point is 00:10:26 which I had just subconsciously processed via a notification on my phone screen. And he instead informs me that he has to clear his conscience, that he is, in fact, an undercover agent working for the government. And the longer that he gets these contract extended and the longer that he plays in the NFL, the more he's comfortable with not blowing his cover. So Joe, Tuni, congrats on the double life. And I do think this comes from our- Watch out. Maybe a reason why the chiefs tried it to trade him. They're onto him. That feels like a locker room distraction if you've got a government mole in the building up there, Joe. Let's talk this pretty deal. So five years, $265 million was the reported some once you kind of peek under the hood and we haven't peaked under the hood.
Starting point is 00:11:19 One of the reasons why I felt comfortable not doing this show on Sunday other than ruining everyone's weekend. Yours specifically. Well, no, Eric. And just like taping on the weekend. Shout out to Kike Hernandez for throwing a baseball that I caught and made myself dad of the year in front of my son Walker. If you would have recorded a Purdy podcast. You might have been late. You might have not had that ultimate dad moment with your son. It all came together. I'm really glad. And one of the reasons I was glad I didn't want to do it was like, okay, let's actually get the numbers because one of the things I want to get to is I hate how contracts are reported in the year 2025 that you have to assume that these trusted reporters aren't giving you
Starting point is 00:12:05 the full truth or they're kind of obfuscating the truth. Like it's almost like they're lies. And so you want to wait and actually peek another it's five days later we still don't know all the details but here's what we know the weekend you know it's like come on it was monday we're taping this tuesday morning like on the west coast like there's time anyways it was five for 265 but that was an extension and he was due around five million dollars this year so it's really closer to six four to 70 so how i look at it is you can look at the average value which is about 53 million on that extension and even that's only six, seven, the eighth, that's like around in the Tua, Tunga by Loa, Jared Gough, range. Or you look at it as the whole contract, which is really how I look at it. And it's closer
Starting point is 00:12:49 to 44, which is really lower. $181 million in guarantees, but we don't really know what that means. So I don't even want to get too deep into it. But from a structure standpoint, what were your first thoughts? Well, I think it's a very self-aware contract, frankly. If you're looking at it outside of the initial sort of like umbrella reporting of the numbers. You look at, you know, Albert Brear was reporting how front-loaded the cash flow on the deal is. Over 60% of the cash flow of the deal comes in the first three seasons of the contract, which is a little bit more of a popular tactic that both quarterbacks or high dollar deal players and teams are taking because not just the cash flow, but also like the time parameter,
Starting point is 00:13:33 the three years of it all, giving them a little bit more flexibility. I actually really look at this as a more of a three-year extension because of how significant that cash flow is. But also, that also helps them stay a little bit more flexible than perhaps they otherwise would have been on this contract. So like I said, I think it's very self-aware. I think it's Brock Purdy saying, I don't want any drama with this and I kind of know where I'm at
Starting point is 00:13:56 and what I've earned and what I deserve relative to the rest of the league and his agent Kyle Strong in doing that. But then also the 49ers saying like, hey, bro, like you're our guy, but also, like, let's not get carried away. Let's not drag this into the off season and into the regular season next season like they did with a couple of their deals last year. Let's make sure you're on, you know,
Starting point is 00:14:16 you're at OTAs, which was important to him. So like I said, I think it was like it reflects a very high level of self-awareness on both sides. Right. And they have so much dead money this year. And we'll get into that. The most in the league. And this way, they're managing it. And when these quarterbacks sign longer term deals,
Starting point is 00:14:34 like Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes is the, craziest example, but they almost become like a salary cap bank for the team to cash in. And you're right to think about it as like a three year deal. Because either he's playing well and you get more money and you redo it or he's not playing well and you get cut. So I kind of wanted to think about how people get so worked up about these kinds of how could Brock Purdy make that much money? How can they compete now that they're playing Brock Purdy?
Starting point is 00:15:00 There was some yelling about this. And that amount of money, which is so dumb to me. First of all, like the top. quarterbacks for as long as I've been covering the sport, so about 20 years, generally the top 10 to 15 or the top 12 to 18, whatever it is. Like the number changes a little bit. But if you're in that group that you're a young enough, average or better than average quarterback, you get one of these contracts. And they all get them. Like it's just how the business work. And it's roughly 14 to 19% of the cap. right now and people get all worked up of like oh this was a great deal for the 49 because he's kind of coming in towards the bottom end of that and then they get really offended when someone like comes in towards the top of that but the difference is like 14% of the cap or 17% of the cap and the crazy part is that they're all basically in the same area yeah and I will tell you too like right right now
Starting point is 00:15:58 when you look at a lot of these things if you see that type of a like lower quote unquote annual average salary or a lower relative to some of the higher AY contracts. Like if you see a lower number or a middle of the pack number, look at the cash flow because he's still making among the most in the league in cash, running cash over the next calendar seasons, not just the contract payout for the, you know, eight months of the season or six months of the season. He's actually making that over a fiscal calendar year. So you're looking at those things where it's like, okay, this isn't that crazy, but it also, It's a compromise in that it does mean it's manageable for the team.
Starting point is 00:16:39 But he's still getting that pop of like, hey, I'm making a crap load of cash. And cash is great. I think cash is important. Who doesn't? Who among us? Especially if you're the last pick of the draft, Brock Purdy, who just went from, yeah, he had gotten all this incentive pay that was going to be in his contract. But he started out in this league at a position where you almost can't hope to ever earn a contract like this.
Starting point is 00:17:01 So I went through. Right now, there's 17 guys on the list that are like making. in the same ballpark of the same amount of money at quarterback. And only two are day three draft picks. None of them are undrafted. It's Brock Purdy and the guy at the very top of the list, Dak Prescott. And the main reason Dak Prescott fell to the fourth round
Starting point is 00:17:23 was because he had a DUI during the draft process or else he would have been like a second or third round pick too. So it is such a development story for Purdy to get this money. But when you look at these like 17 guys that all have these big contracts, like a few are definitely like a little overpaid relative to production. Like Trevor I would put in that group, Dak, I guess, because he's at the top. Should he really be at the top?
Starting point is 00:17:47 You have heard him on that. Yeah. And he, that is a good contract for him because he, it went to the very end. And then, you know, to a little bit in terms of production. A few are are definitely under.
Starting point is 00:17:57 Like Stafford is the very back of that. He shouldn't be at the back of it. Mahomes. No. But he's high cash. Yes. Like among the top five. in the league over the last five years, high cash.
Starting point is 00:18:07 Yes. And like Mahomes is obviously underpaid. The bank of Patrick Mahomes. And a few of the contracts are total disasters, Kirk Cousins and Deshawn Watson. Like they were in that position where everyone gets those contracts. Occasionally they really don't work out. Deshawn Watson is obviously an extreme example.
Starting point is 00:18:24 But basically, my point is like, if you are at any point a top 15 quarterback over the last 20 years, you get those contracts. Ryan Tannehill got it. Jimmy Garapolo got it. I guess the dream is a Baker-Mayfield type of contract for the bucks where he is actually not in that group exactly.
Starting point is 00:18:44 But even then, he's like 12% of the cap instead of 15%. And if he plays as well as he's played the last two years, another year, he's going to be back in that group. So people make such a big difference between all this. And it's like, that's what you get paid.
Starting point is 00:18:59 And in my mind, it doesn't really hurt your team building process. We can get into that a little bit. If you know how to draft and if you understand what you have in certain pillars, certain cornerstone foundational players on your roster, which brings us to the George Kittle extension, which brings us to the Fred Warner extension. They now have,
Starting point is 00:19:22 and listen, if you're listening and watching, you don't have to necessarily agree with this. The 49ers are telling you. And also, by the way, giving him for the first time in their history with a quarterback a no trade clause, they're telling you that they believe that they have their guy, at least for now, for the next three years, at least.
Starting point is 00:19:40 Yes. And that he is going to help raise the floor of this offense. We'll get into his productivity a little bit later. But that's what they're telling you. They're also telling you that with George Kittle, who is a tight end who the blocking surface runs through, who much of the passing game and the offense schematically in general runs through, who will continue to run through.
Starting point is 00:20:01 And Fred Warner, who is at a position that has recently been devalued, is now getting more pop and value, but who is an outlier player in every sense of the word at that position. These are players who the 49ers are all telling you will raise the floor of this roster. And then what you have to do when you assign those people in your building
Starting point is 00:20:19 and you've had that conversation, you're continuing to keep intact an actually cheaper now core with them plus Trent Williams plus Christian McCaffrey and Nick Bosa. And Ayuk, they got so many big players. Iuke is the incongruent contract here and I want to talk about that in a minute.
Starting point is 00:20:34 but that's the incongruous contract here and a mistake in my opinion but this was them saying okay these are the guys who they're put in different pockets of our solar system here and all of their position groups and even leaking into a little bit more of like the back seven for example or the passing game overall they are the fixture of the solar system and all things rotate around them and we lift the floor of our young cheaper players or our old cheaper players or our draft and development people. That is the expectation. This is a retool, rebuild on the fly model that a lot of teams have done successfully, especially when they've had the dead money that they've incurred that the 49ers now are okay with because they have these foundational players who will lift the floor of
Starting point is 00:21:16 their roster. So they believe. Right. As, as you know, like the Rams have gone through a similar thing and competed. The Bucks have gone through a similar thing and competed. The Ravens very quietly have redone their whole roster. And people get so caught up on the quarterback contract. I guess that's the I think I before we get into how how underrated I think purdy now has has become say say it again I think he's I think he's underrated I think he has earned this contract um he's obviously earned this contract but I think it'll it'll age well people get so worked up about that and they forget about all the other ways that teams don't spend money well like just last year think of all the like amount of money that was on the 49. Niners injured reserve list, like Ayyuk. And obviously you can't plan for injuries, but Greenlaw, like that, that contract did not age well for them. McCaffrey, at least last year.
Starting point is 00:22:14 This year, for instance, they're going to have $80 million in dead money because Debo Samuel has been an anchor on them. And you compare that to a quarterback, the most important position by far providing top 10 production, like as long as he doesn't get way worse, that is so much like better bargain than all this dead money. And you know what? Dead money is not a killer. A couple years ago, the Packers and the Rams and the Eagles were all very high in dead money. You know what they did? They all made the playoffs and they won games. You know what? The Eagles had last year a quarterback that for the most of the regular season didn't really play like a top 10 quarterback. And they had
Starting point is 00:22:57 plenty of dead money. And you know what? The Broncos had like the most dead money in the league and they competed. And so the 49ers are literally like flushing away $80 million in money this year. And people are going to complain that they're paying their quarterback the most important position. Like I think it's all backwards. But I think too, you have to be like very real with yourself when you decide you're going to team build in that way because you have to be honest about where your edges are. And I think continuity, for example, is an edge.
Starting point is 00:23:23 Communicating between the coaching staff, Kyle Shanahan, this is his guy. He decided this years ago when Brock Purdy took over as the full-time starter. And they get along. They have developed, I think, together. I think Brock Purdy has made Kyle Shanahan better in certain ways, maybe a little bit less rigid in how he wants to do things. I think that when you have that continuity, not just between the coach and the quarterback, but the coach and the front office, the scouting department,
Starting point is 00:23:48 understanding like, hey, we've got these cornerstone players. And yes, we think that they're going to carry a lot for us and lift a lot of where this roster is. we also have to identify traits that complement and supplement these players and each other. You're not looking for perfect players. You're looking for cheap players who can do a couple of things very, very well and complement to your stars who you also then expect to bring along those players and develop them when they're younger and cheaper. That is the type of like congruence that you need to have when you are deciding to team build like this. Coaching is an edge, bringing Bob Sala back. Like that is huge for them because that is a person.
Starting point is 00:24:25 who has been in that building, who actually understands what needs to be communicated traits-wise to best make his defense function within the parameters and the limitations of where they're at right now in the team build. So you have to have this like, I said it was a self-aware contract with Brock Purdy. I think this is a self-aware team that was really humbled last season and really understands, hey, if we are going to go build this thing and actually like do it in a way that makes sense for our short and our long-term future, like we got to be real with ourselves here. And I think it starts with Kyle Shanahan, John Lynch, and, you know, Prog Marate and that front office who are actually having these hard conversations with each other. And I think they are being real in their thought that Kyle Shanahan and the 49ers could not find another Brock Purdy.
Starting point is 00:25:10 You want to know why I know they believe that? Because they couldn't find one. They had Jimmy Garapolo. They gave him a contract similar to this at the time. It didn't work. They tried to find Tray Lines. If they thought they had Sam Darnold in the building, watched him. every day and looked at him and he's a guy who's getting these mid-tier contracts and
Starting point is 00:25:29 realize like our guy, Brock Purdy is significantly better long term than this guy. Sam Darno we had in the building. Let's take a quick break and we'll talk about why I think that's true. What's up everybody? Daniel Jeremiah here. And I'm Bucky Brooks. On Move the Sticks, we take you inside the game from Scouting Reports and player development to team building philosophies coaching trends and how front offices construct winning
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Starting point is 00:28:05 I got worried about that angle for a second. Yes. The camera angle. I was like, oh, I've got to tuck your kids. We got a real Scorsese in the back room. Chris Pabona, check it out. Chris Pabona, the Rams fan, is annoyed. We're spending this much time talking about the point.
Starting point is 00:28:19 Yes. It's about the whole league. It's about the whole league. How hard. I love doing these deep dots. though. I love when we get to like really fixate on a time, as someone who fixates on things. Like, I love that we get to do a deep dive on this topic. I love that you're coming off of a really great weekend with your family, kind of a hero dad moment for you.
Starting point is 00:28:38 Well, yeah, Eric said I didn't explain it enough that, yeah, before the game, we're sitting behind third base in those seats. They got the big like 35, 40 foot net in front of us. And Walker had just been like, oh, you think they'll throw a ball to us? Like, no, they're not going to throw that over the net. And literally 30 seconds later, I hear everyone just yelling. And there's a ball in the air that came from Kiki. And he's got his glove up, but I got to admit, he hasn't played baseball in a couple of years. I didn't necessarily trust him to make that catch.
Starting point is 00:29:06 And so I reached over and caught it right above his head and then handed it to my little boy. To the consternation of the elderly couple behind me who maybe Kiki was throwing the ball to. I don't know. I missed the whole interaction before I even threw it. I suddenly just heard everyone screaming, looked up, and there's a big ball in the sky. And then my life just slowed down. And I thought, this is what I'm born for. True athleticism, true succeeding in the moment.
Starting point is 00:29:34 Bare handed, let's go. I will say one of the most clutch aspects of this story was how quickly you handed the ball to Walker. Because if you didn't immediately turn in one fluid motion, then the couple behind you would have been like this asshole. Yes. And they even had like a small look, but I don't know. Maybe I was just reading into it and they were just disappointed. They were huge.
Starting point is 00:29:52 You could tell they were season ticket holders. They were big fans. So shout out to... Happy for you. Sad to those. Former Red Sok, Kikei Hernandez. Yeah, we've, I've taken a journey you've alluded to on the Purdy thing. Yes, you have.
Starting point is 00:30:05 And I'm so proud of you. Okay. You got to adjust to new information. So I think we've tried to present the idea that, look, it's really hard to evaluate quarterbacks. I counted like 30 were taken in the first round, like since 2014. 14 at, if you're generous and, you know, Baker is a success. I'm giving Trevor as a success. If you're counting those guys as like successes, and I think they definitely are like 13 to 14 of
Starting point is 00:30:34 those were successes, you know, and the others were ultimately disappointed. That's first rounders. Then you get into the second and third rounders where the hit rate, it's so hard to evaluate. And I think the reason Shanahan is paying this salary and was eager to do so as he knows how good Brock Purdy has been. You've had an interesting view of it covering the Rams. I actually think their games last year against the Rams were really instructive because his offensive line did not protect well for him in either one of those games. In the first game, week three, was one of the best games.
Starting point is 00:31:09 I thought a quarterback played in the first quarter of last season was Purdy versus the 49ers. He didn't win that game, but that game to me was one of the reasons I've changed my mind on him that he was so plus plus plus not just executing an offense tell me kind of what you think about and what you've seen from purdy well so he went from being this guy that we all talked about because he received so much help for his yards after the catch players and and that's true he did receive so much help from the yak bro era of the 49ers offense with you know a healthy and younger Debo Samuel with George Kittle, Eusecheck, and all of these players that contributed in that
Starting point is 00:31:52 way, especially for those after the catch play. So he could play a pop gun sort of style of play. He could throw short passes. He could get the ball out quick. He could do the same things that Kyle Shanahan has always traditionally asked that we were so used to seeing from his offense that we saw from Jimmy Garoppolo. But then in 2025, in 2024, I ran this through NextGen for quarterbacks with 300 plus dropbacks over the course of the season. He was ninth in EPA. He was seventh in EPA per dropback. He was also shockingly, and if you watch, you see it, but just hearing how he's been
Starting point is 00:32:28 talked about prior to last year, it was shocking. Third in yards per attempt. So completely different, throwing to the perimeter, throwing downfield, different than the yak bro's era, 27th in time to throw. So he is actually dropping back. He's holding the ball. a lot of times he had to scramble as well because his offensive line was tattered at...
Starting point is 00:32:47 To hold you a longer, you're saying. Yes, but also seventh in total air yards per attempt. And I think that... So he's throwing the ball further down the field. He has to hold onto it sometimes longer to make plays to create with his legs to scramble. But also, he is holding onto the ball a little bit longer as longer developing plays take place downfield.
Starting point is 00:33:06 And you see him targeting the perimeter. You saw him actually doing more as that quarterback, like less so the... Pop Gun, get the ball to the playmaker's style, and more so, I'm the quarterback who is creating the plays downfield. Right, because he had to. We actually have a couple plays that are queued up and from the coach's angle, like in that Rams game, for instance,
Starting point is 00:33:28 this was the silliest play to pick, but it just was ridiculous how many different times watching that back. And I went back and watched like four Purdy games this weekend and on Monday. And that Rams play, for instance, like there are four pass rushers getting after at the exact moment. And this was almost a comical play where he had to turn away as he's throwing a deep out
Starting point is 00:33:47 and everyone is getting at him. And the ball gets to him on time. And that was the story of that game specifically like going to the left. But the thing that I got watching all these games that he is kind of a,
Starting point is 00:33:59 not to be a dork about it, a guy that looks better on Coach's film than he's going to on the TV copy because he has plus plus anticipation. Like he is one of the you know, he is an elite, I would say, at anticipation.
Starting point is 00:34:15 You watch these quarterbacks make different throws throughout the course of a game, and if they're really good, you can highlight a handful of plays where, man, he threw the ball before the guy even made his break. For Purdy, that's like five, six, seven times a game. And so you combine plus-plus anticipation with plus pocket movement,
Starting point is 00:34:37 which I also thinks he have, which is just a natural feel. And you can bring up the Dolphins, play here, Eric. Now, a natural feel inside the pocket. And yes, that is probably the thing after watching Tom Brady for so many years that I value most in a quarterback, I think is most translatable to NFL success. Yeah, look at the navigation there. Yeah, if you're watching on YouTube, just able to shuffle his feet, keep his eyes down the field. He's feeling how much spatial capability he has around him. Like, it's almost like when quarterbacks can do that really
Starting point is 00:35:07 well, it's almost like the air around them, the literal space around them, becomes like this living tangible thing that they can feel. So you're navigating, you're pushing against it, almost like you're flowing or surfing, right, into a tube. Like, you're really understanding how to do that. He does have that. It is, to your point, something you can't, it's hard to see on the TV cop because so much else is being focused on,
Starting point is 00:35:29 I think, sometimes by these cameras and these camera angles versus the all 22 look at, looking at him in his pocket specifically. Right. And like that dolphins throw that we showed, like he's moving to his left and then throwing back to his right. And that was another thing that stuck out to me is like he's excellent throwing as a right-handed quarterback while moving to his left. Over and over you see that, which are hard throws to make. So yet the downside is his ball dies a little deep. Even in that season where he excelled, it was more to the intermediate level. On an average throw-to-throw basis,
Starting point is 00:36:04 I know he had great numbers in his near MVP season. I don't think he's like an elite deep ball thrower. But he is an aggressive thrower. And I think that's what Kyle likes. And so they're willing to give up. He's not a perfect player. But they're willing to give up. The durability is a big question for him too. And those are some really fair knocks on him.
Starting point is 00:36:24 Like they're willing to give up. I think a guy who so far in his career has been average, not good, but not bad, in terms of turnover worthy play percentage. I think the combination of his arm plus his willingness to throw it will
Starting point is 00:36:39 result in more potential turnovers than a Lamar or then a Patrick Mahomes, of course, is going to have or players that are very careful. He is not necessarily careful. But for the most part, I think that is to his benefit because he gives his guys a chance to make plays. And if you combine that with really good anticipation
Starting point is 00:37:01 and really good feet, and I think he has great feet, like those are plus traits where I think he's putting a lot on the table to the point where, like, he is more than worthy for a contract like this. It shows, too, these are exactly all the things you just said. It's exactly like if Kyle Shanahan was going to come in on a whiteboard and give you a bucket of all of the things that he cares a lot about in a quarterback and then another bucket of all the things he could not care less about, including he does not care if the quarterback gets beat to hell.
Starting point is 00:37:31 He doesn't care about the durability. He doesn't care about, okay, you're going to maybe throw a pick every, you know, a couple times a game, once a game. He is so, there's so much data that shows us that he is not going to care about that. If it also comes pack and parcel with all the other things that he fireflies toward that he gravitates to. And I think we can never talk about the rise of Brock Purdy and the development, the identification process of pulling him out where he was sort of buried on the, on the roster where a lot of these buildings do not have a sound developmental process for getting deep backups, actual reps on the first. field with the offense other than to injury, like all of these things in confluence led to this. And I think it's okay to talk about the fact that Brock Purdy is in a unique
Starting point is 00:38:20 developmental situation. The team building around him is indicative of where the league is at right now when it thinks about quarterbacks and the rest of your salary cap in an exploding salary cap league. And also that he could not possibly have done this without all of these factors around him or he couldn't have done it specifically like this. And I think what Kyle Shanahan likes about Brock Purdy and the rest of his teammates like about Brock Purdy is he's not going to pretend that he could. He is going to be the guy who's like, I like it here. Case and point. He shows up to OTAs without a contract. I like it here. Let's get this done. Let's be self-aware about it. Here's what I do want. Heavy cash in the front end and a no trade clause.
Starting point is 00:39:01 Right. And he's improved. And I think that something that gets a little lost with guys who aren't physically talented that of course you expect like these high first round picks who have a lot of physical traits to keep improving like a Drake May type like you you would hope that by year four year five that he's cresting like a Josh Allen into his peak but of course like the late round picks improve as well and they recognize pretty early I think it's a great shout to quarterback development how valuable that is so yeah it doesn't happen without Shanahan but I don't think they get to the overtime of the Super Bowl without that year specifically without Purdy playing so well. Shanahan has had Jimmy G. in the building. He's had all those Jimmy G. backups that
Starting point is 00:39:50 occasionally would get chances when Jimmy G would get hurt, like Nick Mullins and whatnot. He's had Josh Johnson there. He's had Traylands. None of them were Brock Purdy. You know what I mean? Like they've had seven or eight guys go through there. None of them had that sort of skill set. It's this thing specifically about the two of them that works. And I don't think it's always easy. If you have an actual good relationship long term with your quarterback, you're going to go through some rocky periods. But I think they're good for each other.
Starting point is 00:40:20 I think that there's a compatibility of personality between sometimes very rigid, but off the field, very easy to get along with head coach. Yes. And a quarterback who understands he's kind of up against it from day one because of his status. And like last year, you mentioned that, you know, Shanahan doesn't mind like guys getting hit. Like he stands in there and he takes
Starting point is 00:40:44 hits and he delivers with guys kind of diving around him. And I do think it's gotten him into trouble sometimes. Like, Meena Kimes had a, I remember a couple years ago, was the first time I heard her, use the phrase. Like, Purdy's got too much dip on his chip sometimes. But I, that you
Starting point is 00:41:00 like about him. He plays with no fear. And it really struck me. And I think part of why I loved watching him so much was because I just finished watching all the college prospects. And I don't think people quite get like, I guess they do because like Purdy's making this contract, but like Brock Purdy is so much better at playing quarterback than any of the, and he should be that they're just coming out of college. But like at this stage of his career, he is on another planet in terms of how well he plays
Starting point is 00:41:31 quarterback than even Cam Ward, who was the number one quarterback. Now you see the traits with Ward and I love. Love Ward, and I think he'll develop into a player that could earn this type of contract. But at this moment in time, like, pretty really is that much better. It's not just some creation that he's with Kyle Shanahan. At this point, like, he is that much
Starting point is 00:41:47 better at playing the position. Like, because the game, I think, is really slowed down for it. I'm going to throw up one more clip. It's against the Lions, and this is one where I thought the game really slowed down. You can tell me what you see here, that you like
Starting point is 00:42:03 Jordan. We're watching. Oh, the movement. fakes a couple different ways, and then he scrambles for the touch set. And to me, I don't know, you tell me what you think first. Yeah. I mean, he's, like I said, we talked about it before. He sees the space. He sees like the layers of the field open up, not just in the pocket around him, but in the second level and the third level, he runs with anticipation in this clip, uh, in the same way that he often throws the anticipation. And I think he has no, um, hesitation about like he wants to throw, but he has no hesitation. If the run play is the that's going to get him in the end zone and he can see those holes in that downfield blocking start
Starting point is 00:42:39 to go even out of structure and he has help here and then he has just enough of a gap like he thinks he can make that last guy miss enough of that dip yeah like just goes and he lowers his shoulder a little bit for qbr on the espn he's been ranked about 10th to 12th in rushing value the last couple years which sounds about right like he's an efficient plus runner and this that clip really stuck out to me because he he went through multiple reads and the pocket starts collapsing one read on one side of the field another read on the other side of the field
Starting point is 00:43:13 and he gets off of that so fast and that's what is hard to teach and I think it's hard to recognize like he gets through his reads so fast and then he's calm enough that while he after he decides after getting through two reads very fast he gets through his reads so fast in general very fast decides to run because pressure is coming
Starting point is 00:43:33 that after he decides to run, he is calm enough that he is faking the past to the left. And like that's a lot of calm with a little bit of athleticism and mental processing. That's like, that's tough.
Starting point is 00:43:46 He doesn't look through a tunnel when he plays. And I think sometimes when quarterback stall out developmentally, it's because they're fixating on where they have to make the throw. You've seen it even at times in versions of this offense
Starting point is 00:43:59 where a player is like, oh God, I got to throw there. got told to throw there. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no. Okay. Right. Like, and then it just this, but this is not that. There's always a solution. And I think that that's why you see, again, coaches and quarterbacks really when they find each other, then they show it. And this is why he has a contract. They found each other because there's always a solution to every problem. And, you know, I remember a couple years ago sitting in Kyle Shannon's office and he had plays up on his whiteboard and
Starting point is 00:44:28 every play had a different layer in a different color of a different scenario and a different scenario and outcome of that play written over it like a total psychopath but it was really his act of problem solving and how his brain is there's always a solution and when you find a quarterback who you feel is also wired like that whatever happens in the middle you're going to pay that guy and I will say part of the reason they paid him too in my opinion or added a little flourish to it is because he is a success story for this organization yeah and they have really failed at times at finding the quarterback, at drafting the quarterback, at some of the high round picks, some of the moves they made all over the course of the last, you know, seven, eight, nine
Starting point is 00:45:08 years. And this is their success story. This is one of these success stories of the league. And that's also why you add a little flourish or tie the bow, tie the deal up with a bow and a ribbon. And it's learning from mistakes. Those guys at the going into last year, whether it was Bosa or Trent Williams or Brandon Ayyuk, it was a mistake to drag that out as long as it did. And I think that's a trend. So there's a lot of trends that are at play here. How the quarterback contracts work. Like how quarterbacks are evaluated and developed. Like what a plus it is to have a Shanahan that can develop. But it's still hard even for that kind of guy to find the dominance of the Shanahan coaching tree in general. Like how wrong we are
Starting point is 00:45:48 about the draft, how just how tough it is. And, you know, how fit is everything. Ultimately, he's the right guy for this coach. And also how annoying it is that these contracts don't really get reported with truth in mind. It's like we can be better. Our national reporters at NFL Network and throughout like you don't have to just parrot exactly what the agent says. It happens sometimes more than others. But even in this case where like you don't have to say it's the most for this position and come up with all these mental gymnastics, you can evaluate, okay, this is actually a six-year contract that's averaging 44 to 45. And maybe you don't report that, but just, just report the facts. You don't have to get the spin. And when you don't hear any spin for like five or six
Starting point is 00:46:39 days, that means it's bad for the player. And it's good for the team. I mean, look how long the Matthew Stafford contract took to actually be finalized. A very special episode. I feel like I love, I love these types of shows. Like, I love when we could just completely geek out over. one topic that actually means a lot of different topics all at the same time. You know, we're thinking in layers here today. Wow. Pat on her own back and I love it. You got to have... I mean, you came up with it.
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