NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Wide Receiver sleepers and busts

Episode Date: August 19, 2015

A room filled with heroes -- Dan Hanzus, Gregg Rosenthal, Chris Wesseling and Marc Sessler – give you their second installment of the fantasy extravaganza by running through all of the wide outs that could help or hurt your team this season. The guys also take you behind the scenes in Cleveland and the Mike Pettine regime following Sessler's long form, Believeland.Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Hey, everybody. Daniel Jeremiah here. And I'm Bucky Brooks. On Move the 6th, we take you inside the game from breaking down college prospects and NFL rookies to evaluating team building philosophies, coaching trends, and how front offices construct winning rosters. We study the tape, talk to decision makers, and give you a perspective you won't find anywhere else.

It's everything you need to understand the why behind what happens on Sunday. Don't miss it. Listen to the Move the Sticks podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Around the NFL podcast is down with the get down. Welcome back to another edition of the Around the NFL podcast. My name is Dan Hansis, and I am joined by Roofel of Heroes, Mark Sessler, Chris Wessling, and Greg Rosenthal.

What's up, boys? Heroes. Hey, Dan. Sometimes. there's so much heroism within Studio 7 here that I just lose it can't deal with it

It's just You can't play with it Natural raw emotion as a host That you emit from show to show The real hero is Mark's shirt You know slowly drooping as the show wears on It's any female listeners Are watching our videos out there

You can catch a little bit of that chest hair cream A little bit of that hamburger Doesn't sound attractive at all I mean listen when you're getting dressed at like 5 a.m And you're just pulling linens out of a closet you have no idea what it is this is what happens we get we hear that a lot um i guess greg we hear you say the same thing a lot about the early morning dressing if we get started someone out there i can start a kickstarter fund to

build walk in closets separated from the bedroom for both mark and gregg i think they would be appreciative and maybe they'd come in looking dapper or flashlight you could use your iphone you know i've tried that uh little light i've tried all that i've tried all that this is yes the around the nfl podcast and a big show today and you know we get a lot of feedback on every episode on Twitter the feedback we got on Monday's episode was mostly related to laser beams which you know TD behind the glass let us know that the video to audio transformation that we're under led to what sounded like an attack from a race from way out in the solar system a transformer attack if you will I don't get the reference

But we should. I thought it was the start of that 2040 world ending that Mark referenced a few episodes ago. Well, it was much less global, but it was very annoying, according to the people on Twitter. So we promised the people and TD are on board with this as well that you won't hear any laser beams. Well, I promised the people. You did. Yeah, I did. Like, hey, that was on us.

We know. We'll move forward and no more laser beams. They're working through. That's our campaign promise. No laser beams in 2000. The biggest disappointment, though, no more laser beams, make America great again, come be for president. The biggest mistake, though, was all these insane lasers all through the show and we're trying to talk to each other and not one Bill laser joke. And Mark, I'll put that at your feet because he's your boy.

No, listen, that's my fault. But it was also just like such an assault on the senses. You know, other than Wes who's quietly been lobbying for more laser beams, you know. Pro laser. I blame Fox Sports for starting this whole laser phenomenon. We don't need lasers with our sports. Sorry. And robots.

Robots. Yeah, get rid of them all. If Monday was the show where it's like, you know, NFL, 345 Park, no more train. Don't need no more mona hand. This one's, hey, Fox, get rid of the robot, the robot football guy. How about? Get rid of them. Hey, every other station quit following Fox like lambs to the slaughter.

I'll take. I'll take right there. The worst thing, the worst Fox graphic by far is when you get it. to the holiday season and they have the scorebox in the corner and it's like okay it's cute so they put like christmas lights around the score in the corner of the time but then once you get to like right before christmas then they start having snow falling on the box and it's like what's going on here it just gets just a box with info kind of like the falling snow all right that's because you like lasers too no i don't all right coming up on today's show and and we all know there's a lot

of news to get to, as there always is this time of year. So we'll get to that. We're going to talk a little bit about a think piece, I like to call it, a real, a personal piece, Greg, I would even say, about our resident journal, Mark Sessler. He went to Ohio, of course, last week or a week before that or perhaps a year ago. I don't remember anymore. It's a blur. Spoke to the head coach of the Cleveland Browns, wrote a high-octane feature about it entitled

Believe Land. So we're going to talk about that. And I love Mark loves talking about himself, so this could be difficult to get out of them. No, that is, you know, come on. I mean, you're a very humble man, almost to a fault. But we're going to get it out of you that you wrote this excellent piece on the website. We'll do it. And then, of course, speaking of Mark Sessler, who's here, we have part two of the fantasy extravaganza.

Oh, yeah! it's a big moment as the music cues us up part two and today we will talk about the wide receivers so we're going to give our wide receivers an entire show it can't win your fantasy league without some stud wide receivers so we got the icons of fantasy football Greg Rosenthal and Chris Wessling here and of course the NFL media fantasy outsider mark sessler will head back to his corner which will surely be disturbing but also potentially something that we'd learn something. People have been, I saw last night, someone was tweeting their fantasy lineup to, to Wes, but also mistakenly to me. You don't want to do that. I don't want to see

that. You can, Wes can answer that question. I don't want to see that. Well, you're an influencer. I looked at drafts, you know, since our last show. No one is taking the 10 players that you said not to draft. Unbelievable. Well, they're guaranteed bus, and I think that people know when the message is real. So we'll head back to the fantasy corner later today. But before any of that, We do check behind the glass. TD, not suspended for the laser beams. He spoke with Roger Goodell. He was truthful, which, you know, maybe Tom Brady could take some notes.

And because of that, he just got hit with a fine, a heavy fine, easily over a million dollars. Here's what it is, guys. I don't see why I'm taking a fall for this. Yeah, you're only the producer. Yeah, but, I mean, we work through things of the team. We're the team atmosphere, guys. You got to start taking the blame. When you're the boss, you're the boss of that whole group.

route back there. You just got to say, it's not. It would be like a bad body language from TD right now. You got to take the blame. There's a lot of finger pointing going on. And you are, my guys. No, when you are the guy behind the glass leading the crew, when you are driving around the west coast of Los Angeles

and a shiny black sports car, you have to then take the heat. It's like the quarterback. It all goes back. All I'm saying is, never let them see you sweat. We can never turn to those shoes, but we don't want to show cracks to the outside world. There's a lot of Wii concept except going on when the ship is sinking.

Although in fairness, you do have a shadowy league figure directly behind you. Maybe he should be taking the blame. Who knows? ATD, I'm glad you're still here, though, and we believe in you. Spite the lasers. Let's do some news. That's two sacks. Him and the quarterback.

So, Brian Cushing. Yes, also we'll talk a little later about hard knocks, of course. Brian Cushing with his big star turn as everyone's favorite 80s bully. We'll start with injury news that came to light on Tuesday and Wednesday. LaShawn McCoy of the Buffalo Bills, they obviously have a big role in store for LaShawn McCoy. They want him to carry that offense. He suffered a strained hamstring or a hamstring injury of some kind of practice on

Tuesday. NFL media insider Ian Rappaport said the MRI results showed that it's an injury that they believe is not too serious and he could be back in time for the regular season or should be back for the regular season. But still, Greg Rosenthal, not a good sign for a Bill's team that needs this guy to be a workhorse. Well, give me the list of guys who aren't expected to be back for week one. Everyone's always expected back for week one whenever they get hurt in training camp. Just like everyone hurt in the offseason is expected to be ready for training camp. And then they're not ready.

and no one really ever notices. So I don't know, you know, it's a hamstring injury. They have no idea if he's got to be ready. That was my thought, too. I looked particularly askance at this report. I mean, I'm sure Rappaport's source said it, but... What did you say? Rappapant?

Oh, a scantzance. With suspicion, you were caught off guard. Well, since when our hamstring injury is predictable, since when do they have a finite timetable? And since when have the bills have any good injury luck at this position? Right now, as we're talking, they are missing their top five... Running backs.

Fred Hamstring. I mean, Fred Jackson. Fred Hamstring. I like that name better. Call him Fred Amstring. Bryce Brown, Booby Dickson. Bryce hamstring. Carlos Williams has a mysterious illness and a procedure that's private.

He's out for a couple weeks. You got Ricky Seal and Bronson Hill running the ball for Buffalo right now. Might as well get the Pop Star Seal. He had him go through some holes. Seal and Hill sounds like a 70 soft rock group. I saw those names Ricky Steel and Bronson Hill, and I wondered if Mark Sessler had just made them up. Well, I mean, it's crazy.

They're just making up names like Sessler. I mean, it's every one of them are hurt. And I agree. I mean, you know, that's Ian's information, so you want to roll with it for now. But it's like, how do they know with a hamstring injury half the time they recur? You're more suspicious about Ian's reporting than I am about his hair color. No, it's not his reporting. I think the source is selling him a bill of goods, you know.

Well, it's these injuries are notorious for, like you said, reoccurring. Who knows when he could have a setback tomorrow. And by the way, that's not even. only injury, the major injury the bills are dealing with. Percy Harvin, his hip, he's had hip issues in the past, has some soreness that Rex Ryan disclosed has, quote, never really responded. So he's getting a PRP injection, which is the platelet rich plasma, hoping that it responds, and he's able to get on the field before the end of the preseason. You don't want to hear anything about Percy Harvin and hip at this stage of the season. So you don't know what's going

with Percy Harvin. Who knows this could end up being Percy Harvin out 10 to 12 weeks? You don't know when Lashon McCoy is going to be healthy. I know the Tyrod Taylor Hype Train is rolling right now, but geez, they need these guys. I think in that practice yesterday, like 15 guys were out with hamstring and other soft tissue summer. I mean, you can't get, there's so many of these injuries around the week right now.

TiVo that soft tissue summer. I think there's like a guy with a virtual reality mask in several of the scenes. They went out and splurged on this high-end performance car like they were TD. And it's in the shop right now. now well mccoy in general has been durable what a car did he's but consider me unshocked that things aren't just going along smoothly for percy harvin when you see when was the last time anything happened smoothly for percy harvin injuries are off the field junior october of 2012 yeah that's it my car also expected to be ready for week one is there an issue with it's perfect

it's perfect it's like in uh like breaking bad where all of a sudden walter white showed up with the brand new, like, pimped out Dodge Charger. And the wife was like, you can't do that. It clearly makes it look like you're doing something illegal. What's going on behind this? What are you accusing TD of? Maybe dealing meth. Maybe.

Just throwing that out there. In other injury news, the Carolina Panthers are expecting a lot from Kelvin Benjamin, their second year wide receiver. He suffered a knee sprain in practice on Wednesday, was taken off the field. You know, a lot of obviously, whenever something like this happens, your first concern is this an ACL injury right now. That's unclear, but they believe that an MRI is coming up. They're going to find out whether or not Benjamin's going to be out of a significant amount of time.

But this is another injury to keep tabs on because the Panthers need Benjamin to step up this year as well. And they also lost Devin Funches in practice today to a hamstring injury. I'm just seeing as we came up. I mean, Kelvin Benjamin was a guy. We're doing the fantasy overvalued, undervalued later. and I wanted to pick an overvalued guy in the top 20 receivers. Kelvin Benjamin, even though it's Wes's boy, was one guy I considered strongly. Just because coming off of his season, I could see him making a little more mental mistakes.

It's not a great passing attack. He's getting taken in the third round, and now this is a red flag for him to start his year. If you listed the order of importance on the Panthers roster, he's in the top five. They can't afford to lose him for an extended period. He was beating number one cornerbacks like Jimmy Smith, like Truffon, Brevis, Sherman, as a rookie, routinely beating these guys. They can't afford to lose him. I mean, we had Benjamin atop our rookie rankings at midseason as one of the best

wide receivers before Beckham and some of the others really came on. Right away, I thought he played very well and saved that passing attack last year. You got nothing behind him in Funches if they're not in. People forget their passing attack was pretty poor last year. And if Funches, I mean, it's supposed to be just a few days for him. It's a hamstring injury. but again, you never know. And Benjamin, I mean, he's part of the best rookie wide receiver class in history.

Only class ever to have 3,000-yard receivers. That didn't even include Sammy Watkins. So those are injuries to keep an eye on Charlotte. Moving on to Arizona, where the Cardinals added a running back to their depth chart today, a very famous running back. Chris Johnson, formerly known as C.J. 2K. Bruce Arien said that C.J. 2K will, or the artist formerly, known as CJ2K, as expected to, quote, compete for a starting role, which I don't know, Wes,

that doesn't make me too confident about Andre Ellington when they're bringing up, bringing in washed up Chris Johnson off the street. Don't read anything into that. This is Bruce Ariens saying, Chris Johnson basically controls his fate here. He could play himself off the roster or if he looks like CJ2K, 2,000 yard Chris Johnson, by some miracle, he would get the starting job. I mean, coaches talk about, well, they talk about competing. And to the point where it gets tiresome for us to hear it,

but that's what they want. You're not going to come in and announce a pecking order. He basically said, we don't do our final depth chart until everything's wrapped up and you're heading into week one. Chris Johnson has to play differently than he did last season to become a starting running back in Arizona. That sounds nice, but Ellington's been there for two and a half years. He knows the offense.

It'd be a stunning mistake, not maybe not a mistake, but a stunning collapse if Chris Johnson in two weeks can beat him out. Yeah, but do you see Ellington as didn't we learn last year? What was he, 3.3 yards per carry? He's not your featured back either. They're going to have to use the rookie David Johnson as well, who's also hurt right now. Making leave graveyard of 2014, Andre Young.

Right. Wasn't that bad. In Chris Johnson's defense, I've been about as critical of him as anyone. His numbers weren't bad that last year. I mean, he's a very big boomer bust guy, but he did catch 24 passes, 4.3 yards per day. He's not the worst guy. His numbers weren't terrible.

He had two really good games. I remember the Rams game. he played really well. And then there was one later in the season he played well. But other than that, he was, I mean, it was a lost call. It was the same guy we've been talking about for a couple of years where he doesn't hit the hole hard. It doesn't seem to have the same type of lateral movement and speed that he once did.

He's now basically just another guy. I love Ariens, but he called Johnson a home run on every play. Now, come on. Once upon a time. Bruce Ariens, the quote that made me laugh, although it was a little dark, they asked about Ariens, about Johnson's team physical. There was nothing except for a bullet in his trap. referring to, of course, Chris Johnson.

It's good that we can laugh about that. I'm not going to laugh. But it's, you know, Bruce Ariens is probably the only coach that's going to drop that little line. Moving on, Eli Manning, the New York Giants quarterback, is up for a contract after this season. His people behind the scenes are pushing hard for a deal that could make Manning the highest paid player in the NFL.

NFL media inside Ian Rappaport reported Monday that the Giants are hoping to sign Manning to a new deal by the start of the NFL. this season, but a, quote, significant gap remains in negotiations. Now, I am not a Giants fan, I'm not an Eli fan, but I can see why his people are pushing for this deal because they think they can get it from a Giants team that's loyal to their franchise star and two-time Super Bowl winner. But it's hard to imagine him getting paid more than Aaron Rogers and eventually Andrew Luck and Russell Wilson and all that. I think the easy response is to say that's laughable that,

of course, he's not better than Aaron Rogers. But there's a few factors involved here. The salary cap has gone up 10 million a year over the last two years. And I think his agent has come out and said Eli is uniquely qualified to be the Giants quarterback because he's so unflappable in the face of the media. Those are two factors. It's still kind of, I think they're just throwing out their opening kind of bid here in the negotiations. I don't expect him.

Unflappable in the face of them. If being boring was grounds for being the highest paid quarterback in the league, Carson Palmer would be paid $50 million a year. I mean, I'm just saying it is... That's not even your hottest take of the week on Elon Manning. What? What was it? That he shouldn't even be the highest paid player on the Giants.

O'Dell Beckham's a better player. I mean, why would you be paying a guy at the end of his career who's really rarely been a top 10 quarterback to be the number one quarter. Hold on. Such a silly comment. It's he one of the top ten quarterbacks in the league. I think part of it. I think the entire league, no one's saying that, but the entire league is catching up to what

quarterbacks should get paid. Look at you moving the goalpost, too, on what's the end of a quarterback's career. Tom Brady, 38 years old. Oh, he can go on in forever. Eli Manning, 33. Ooh, he's near the end. It's time to pack up the suitcase and get out of town. And what's the other option, Ryan Nassett?

One is Eli Manning and the other's Tom Brady. Yeah, one has two Super Bowl wins and one has never missed the start. And is Peyton Manning's brother. There's some high-end DNA there. Peyton Manning's brother. I think we have to give up on the Peyton's Manning's brother. But you don't, he hasn't. He is right.

He's played a full decade. I mean, you don't find those guys. And so if you're New York and say, all right, we don't want to pay him. And, you know, what's the difference going to be? A couple million dollars to make it everyone happy. So we don't pay them, and we have Ryan Nassib is our quarterback. Have a nice decade and a half in New York City. It'll get done.

But, you know, he wants to be the highest paid quarterback. That's great. I want to be the highest paid NFL media employee. Well, it ain't happening either. Eli is not a top 10 quarterback. He's probably top 12, in my opinion. But listen, we know where this is coming from, Greg. We always know.

West doesn't like Eli's a player and it's not personal. Oh, maybe a little personal because she'll never go to the Hall of Fame But with you, Greg, two of the worst moments in your entire life were engineered by this man. Those were not two of the most moments of my entire life. I get it. The Patriots aren't that important. Eli Manning. You can go back in the NBCSports.com archives.

I wrote a glowing piece of Eli Manning in that 2011 playoffs. He was incredible. But that comes up every month, every six or seven years. Your value, if you want to talk about wins and Super Bowls, your value is what you do over 16 games. And Eli Manning's shown what he's going to do. He's going to be fine, and he's going to get you eight or nine wins. He'll get you to the playoffs once every six years. That's great.

Maybe you'll get one more in his entire room. Greg, ready to check Eli into the old age home and feed him some tapioca. Have the league with pounce on Eli Manning if you were a free agent. That's a disgusting image. All right. In other news, Hard Knocks aired its second episode on Tuesday on HBO, of course, profiling the Houston Texans. And this episode, another very good episode.

episode, by the way. It's blowing away the Atlanta Falcon season of 2013. Got a chance to be one of the best hard knocks. It could be special. And Brian Cushing, to me, I wrote the recap, of course, which you can find on the website. I said this was his big star turn episode. A very compelling bully, and what I like about him is that he owns it. Clearly, he doesn't mind coming off as kind of a jerk. I wrote in the piece that he's almost like an evolutionary Bill Romanovsky, where he likes to be seen. as someone that, you know, picks on people.

And, you know, for Brian Cushing, it seems like maybe a little bit more than an act, right? It seems like that that's really who he is. Well, it's great when someone turns out to be exactly what you expected Brian Cushing to be. I mean, Damasek pointed out, comparing him to an 80s bully Biff Henderson, I believe, was one of them. And, I mean, he does own it.

I mean, he's just being such a jerk, like knocking everyone right after the play. It's right. I didn't mean it. No, I did. I actually did mean it. then the most obnoxious thing was him going around his neighborhood on the little scooter pushing his kids around i don't remember that that was the part that like the well that was h and i and i wrote in the piece that i didn't quite like they try to all right now we got to get

the other side of brian fishing it's like don't show me the other side i don't need to see the other side just you know live with i like this narrative push it and you know the the biggest part of the episode with cushing was his encounter with poor alfred blue uh he just wants america to take him seriously as a real starting running back and cushing just don't dominates him in one-on-one blocking drills. And then after he pile drives... Look at that face. Alfred Blue, I know what a jerk.

I'm sorry. This guy, go on. Please go. After he pile drives Alfred Blue into a tackling dummy, he has this to say to Jadaveni and Clowny, who didn't ask to be in the conversation. First of all, you're not going to block me. Second of all, you don't want to fight me.

Third of all, on the man. This guy looks like the way he just looks on his face in that clip they just showed, just looks like every evil frat boy that you've ever. ever encountered it in your life. Isn't it great, though? It's good to have guys like that. For hard knocks, it's perfect. I've had teammates like that in sports,

and they're relatively harmless as long as they aren't the leader on the team. As long as there's somebody on the team who can put them in their place. So true. If everybody that's played organized sports has had that guy that he's a little bigger, he's a little stronger. And if you don't get on his bad side, you're fine with them. But if you're one of those three or four guys, he will be relentless with you. So you just don't want to be one of those three or four.

Wait, what was the thing that he compared to being, he basically called out someone for being feminine, but it was like the least feminine thing ever. Well, he, you know what I'm talking about? Oh, it was about latte or whatever. Oh, yeah, drinking coffee. Here's the transcript. DeAndre Hopkins, who, by the way, is awesome.

At one point, he talked about how he wanted to get a Yorkie for his man. Don't even get me started on that. You could take it to the club. He's having some fun. He's funny. I don't think that's fun. You don't buy a dog so you can put it in a purse. But he was really enjoying

It does strike at the West ethos I like that he was like guys Would you judge me if I got my dog in the club It should strike out anybody The guy who cares about dogs That's not what a dog's for to be cool His team's true His teammate said I would delete your number

But here's the interaction between Hopkins and Cushing Do you drink lattes? Hopkins asked And then Cushing said I don't even go to Starbucks Then Hopkins says it's great bro And Cushing goes I mean I used to And then I realized I wasn't a chick

Who says that? Well, there were all these people tweeting. It's a bad script. All these people were tweeting out images of their own, like, Starbucks coffees this morning saying they felt that, you know, some distant heat from this guy from Cushing. Oh, I didn't get to see it because, you know, I have HBO go and it wasn't on there last night. And as I said, I was fishing around for shirts in the dark this morning. So I wanted to find out, was there more with the quarterbacks this week?

Yes. Yes. They did get into that a little bit. Greg, do you want to? Well, I like that occasionally Hard Knocks does. tell you legitimate football things. And one of the things I took away from the Mallet-Hoyer battle was this moment in last week's game where Mallet makes a totally stupid play.

He doesn't hear the call correctly. And then the call makes no sense. It's a quarterback sneak on third and four. Third and three. It was close to third and four if you watch it on TV. It was third and four because he got three yards. He does not only does he not understand that it's a mistake that he heard it incorrectly, he doesn't change the play.

He just decides to run it. And the drive ends. And afterwards, O'Brien is kind of like, what's going on here? And it just shows you the difference between Mallet, maybe not the most cerebral guy, and Brian Hoyer. I watched that game on game pass, and I put that in my notes. I've never seen a third and four quarterback sneak before. He comes off as a bit of a goon, too, because he, during practice.

Like a likable goon. Yeah, no, not a bad guy, not like Brian Cushing type. But he was saying he would complete a long pass and do just like he's exaggerated celebrations, like fist pumps and then he ran a QB draw near the goal line in which I guess I don't I've never been in the practice field like that but I guess it's not something you typically run because they're wearing the red non-cocktack jersey so the defensive players get angry and then he dunks the ball over the crossbar well my other like oh my god yeah and they're and they kept showing that that led to a quote from one of the defensive players green Jackson said he would give up his

paycheck if they ran that in the game right right and he well he also said one of the teammates said if he tries to run that again, somebody should knock his ass in half. Yandre Hopkins, you mentioned, he is my favorite guy. You got the Yorkshire, but you also had him killing Hoyer for not recognizing that he was

wide open on a post route on the first play of the game. After Hoyer makes a nice throw, back shoulder, two-point conversion, Hoyer runs over to him to celebrate, and Hopkins still thinking about the first play of the game goes, WTF, Hoyer, you know, what about that post? He's still pissed off.

He was like, oh, what? No, I'll get you, man. You were open on that play? I'm sorry, I didn't realize that. That ain't going to fly. You can't miss DeAndre. Hard knocks needs quarterback battles. I think it sounds good.

It always makes the season better. So, yeah, everything going great with Hard Knocks so far. And, you know, if you have a chance to watch it, please watch it. And then read the recaps. Oh, yeah. How about a vanity URL for Hard Knocks recap? NFL.com slash Hard Knocks. comma, which Dan works very hard on late into the evenings to bring enjoyment, both to the people,

but to also please his ball. That's what the... Slash Vince Wilfork's bubbling feet slash Jonathan Joseph freeballing. You've come up with the most cumbersome vanity URL in the history of the internet. Give Dan Aray slash promotion department, open up some funding. How does Jonathan Joseph and Cream Jackson get away with freeballing?

While playing football, that seems wild. I'm just throwing it out there. Let's move on. All right. All right. Next up, speaking of vanity URLs, I'm very upset about this. Speaking of free bowling. It's not to talk about Cessler.

Well, that's another conversation. Does that mean? Mark Sessler wrote an excellent long-form piece, or I would say an extended feature maybe. You know, there's the jargon. I think it's like a long ATL post. Kind of. ATN, by the way, Mark.

I like to go with the old-school ATL. Okay, buddy. Completely wrong branding. All right, I like that. Anyway, no vanity URL, which I hang on Greg a little bit for NFL.com slash believe land seemed like a no-brainer. But beside the point, Mark wrote a great piece about his encounter with Mike Petten at Brown.

Camp Mark spent two days there. Yeah, two practices. Two practices there. Had a nice sit-down with Mike. And I'm talking, when I say sit-down, this is not some gang-bang scrum. That's industry lingo, by the way, when there's a group of reporters around a player. A lot of questionable terminology. Not what you might think.

Not a gang-bang, but yet, Mark talking to Mike Patton, and if you're watching on NFL now, it's a Brown's watch. Here's a shot of Mark with Mike Petton. I mean, Mark always looks, you know, like longingly when he's talking to a Browns player or a coach, you know what? Well, that is, come on. Listen. Look at these shots. I was sent in to do a job.

What a journal you are. I was like, I got to get the job done. We're going to tweet out those photos for the listeners of the podcast. But, yeah, Mark was, tell us a little bit about your encounter with Mike Patton, a man that you clearly admire. Well, I mean, I think the thing I wanted to write was because, I mean, everyone gets. the perception of the team in general that it's just this wild train wreck in space about to crash land for another like two and 14th I don't know it's just like what can you say about the team it's just it seems like the books are cooked on what they are inside and out and so I just

wanted to ask or try to get petting to talk honestly about you know how he feels about that because that's obviously if you're the man in charge that's crushing you all the time that's coming down on you and what I liked about petting in a chance to talk I thought he was pretty honest. He sort of said, I get it. You know, people drive by the building, and they think they are going to expect to see it on fire, and everyone says there's all this unrest. And, you know, he acknowledged that it's been a difficult transition, A, just to become an NFL head coach

and work with at the same time a first-year general manager. We know that's not been super smooth, but he swatted down the idea that they can't work together, that there's no shared vision, sort of saying that they actually communicate daily, that they look at the roster, they have 67 or 68 new players, that most every one of those guys was someone they agreed on. There isn't a lot of fighting like we talk about. He was definitely honest. You got some good quotes, including my favorite of the piece.

Let people think this is a dumpster fire. Let them think it's actually dysfunctional. Well, I mean, I think that was their take is kind of like, it's not just us against the world, which every team wants that dynamic. It's just we get it, but we're going to have to show it. But I think he also made the point. And they kind of did show it.

They exceeded expectations last year. It was about as good a first year that Petten could have hoped for. I mean, realistically, they could take a step back record-wise, and I think that that's, again, the major problems that were there are still there. So will they have the patience to stick with them? I think that's the concern. Let's talk about that. And again, read Mark's piece.

We'll send out a couple of those photos, which are excellent, with a link to the post on the around the NFL account. Now let's talk about just real quick, we'll go around the horn here. at a 10, your belief that Cleveland can really contend for a playoff spot. Remember, this team that was, what, Mark, 7 and 4 at one point last November, ended 7 and 9. So there could be something here if they get some better quarterback play and a couple of breaks, which Cleveland typically doesn't.

But you never know. I'll start, I think, in terms of the chances that they're an actual playoff contender in December, six out of 10 Indian burial grounds. Wow. Six. That's pretty optimistic. I don't think it's crazy that the Browns could. Listen, I'm not a big Josh McCown fan,

and I hope that Johnny Mansell becomes a dynamic NFL talent. But, you know, maybe they get a little better quarterback play. You never know what could happen. Wes. I'm going to give it two out of ten first round busts. That's usually how they do it, two at a time. Yeah, you know, I am a fan of Josh McCown, but when you look at him compared to the other quarterbacks in that conference,

and their roster overall, they're still weak in several areas. I think they're a year and a quarterback away from hitting that contending. I would give them 1.1 Josh Gordon blood alcohol content. Wow. Very grim. The AC. I feel bad about this. I've thought about it because I know that Mark is sensitive to Brown's criticism and he thinks we pick on them in general.

I really thought they'd be better than people expected last year. And I was thinking when someone asked me on Twitter, who's the worst team in the NFL? If it wasn't for Mark being around, I would consider that the Browns would be one of the options. Because I think if you look at their offense, and I always start with offense. It's more predictable. I think it's more important. If you look at their offense on paper, it's one of the worst offenses in league, if not the worst.

And I think their schedules tougher. And I think they're going to, they have a good coaching staff. They have some good defensive pieces. Five, six wins. All right. Yeah, I mean, I go three out of ten Rob Chisinski chins. Is that, I don't know.

Actually, that's a little bit, that's a little bit deceiving because Rod Chudzinski did not have a chin. So three out of ten, non-Rob Chisnsky tins. I knew Chud was, he had. no shot when he didn't have the chin. He got to have a strong chin to make it in the NFL, a strong jawline as a coach. And I'll tell you what, Petten has a nice jawline.

He does. I mean, but Greg makes a good point. You don't have Josh Gordon, who you did have for part of last season in the year before. You don't have Jordan Cameron. Their skill position players have probably gotten worse. You know, they have a good offensive line, but that alone is not going to carry you in that division.

I think the point is the last four coaching regimes had the same problem. You've got to stick with it and keep it. building. It's not that it's going to happen this season. All right. So Cleveland Brown talk. Out of the way. Cessler happy. Floating on high. He asked for that plug. He's got his plug. And now we move on.

I did not ask for anything. Mark is literally the last guy that I'd ask for a plug. Part two of our fantasy extravaganza is now underway. Andy Dufrein, Shawshank. Exultant. Yes, this is part two of the fantasy extravaganza. On Monday's show, we talked about the running backs and the tight ends. And now we will talk about the wide receivers.

There's a lot of stud talent, maybe more right now than there's ever been in the NFL. I don't know. I don't even know what that's true. I'm throwing it out there. If you can believe it, you can believe it. I don't care. So we're going to talk about the wide receivers today. And I'll tell you what.

Before we get into it, I've been working on some more taglines because I know you guys didn't like them all. One was profane. So I got a bunch of lasers in it. Had some lasers in it. So three more I came up with you. Let me know if maybe we hit on something. Because the right tagline in this crowded world of fantasy football

can take a groove far. Sure. The fantasy extravaganza. Promise I'll make you proud of me, dad. Thoughts. I don't know if fathers, most fathers really care about their son's fantasy teams, but maybe. Okay. All right.

The fantasy extravaganza. Am I not good enough for you, dad? It's got a little more edge to it. I like the attitude that brings to the locker room. I feel like Dan is working out some of his own issues. That's real Dan-centric, but. Yes or no? Better than the first one, my take.

Wes? I would get off the dad thing. All right. Last one. Daddy, Papa. Where are you? No, now you found a winner. I would go with that.

That feels clear. I think that's the winner if those are the three options. That's pretty good, Dan. You got to separate yourself from the crew. I don't know. It's just so funny to me. I don't know. I think that.

That works on many levels. Definitely separate you from the crew. All right. So let's get into it. The wide receivers that are overvalued. And what we'll do here, of course, we've got the fantasy outsider. waiting in the wings on a street corner cigarette in a white t-shirt with the cigarettes rolled up in the sleeve waiting over there James Dean James Dean with the computer is what they call him but first we'll start with Greg and Wes

James Dean with a computer is what they call it Greg you're overvalued wide receiver right now where people are getting too excited they got to calm down don't take them too high who are you this was hard my first name that I thought up was Roddy White but then I thought you know everyone knows that he's a third receiver. So I'm going to Randall Cobb. Now, Randall Cobb, coming off a career season, in a great offense, but he's getting taken in the second round, right around guys like Calvin Johnson, Jordy Nelson, A.J. Green,

just after them. And to me, there's a huge gap between Randall Cobb and those guys. Wouldn't surprise me if Devante Adams, Montgomery, the tight ends, the running games, they all take away, and that Cobb is not really as good a fantasy player as he is a reality player. And there's so many good receivers in the third, fourth, fifth round, you can wait. He has such a low floor or he has such a high floor because of his own talent. But I think the main point here is those top eight guys are cut and dried.

And then there's a huge, huge drop off after that. That's exactly what I was thinking. And then you look at the guys that are way further down, Emmanuel Sanders, D'Andrey Hopkins, Alshan Jeffrey, even Keenan Allen down in the fifth. It's like I don't see a huge gap between Cobb and those guys, so you might as well wait a few out. That's how you get back. One thing that would concern me about not taking a Green Bay receivers that Cobb himself talked about Green Bay's offense speeding up and running a high volume of plays.

And they said he was on the field. They saw them run 33 in one quarter that there's going to be more targets, more catches, more catches, more everything. 16 games played last year, 91 catches, almost 1,300 yards, and 12 touchdowns. Good production. You said, don't go crazy. Don't chase that. Those touchdowns are going down.

Right, the touchdowns are going down. Don't buy high. I think that's going to be his career year. All right. Chris Wessling. You're overvalued wide receiver. Guy getting taken one spot behind Randall Cobb is Mike Evans. And this is, to me, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers' offense is toxic for fantasy purposes to me.

Their offensive line is abysmal. They have a quarterback who's very raw, and I do not expect him to come in and light the world on fire. Mike Evans also last year torched second and third quarter quarterbacks. Unlike Sammy Watkins and Odell Beckham and Kelvin Benjamin, he wasn't playing against number one cornerbacks. Dirk Cutter has him playing that rule this year where he's moving him around the offense and we'll see a lot more number one cornerback coverage but I could be wrong about the Buccaneers' offense

but what's that going to hurt me if I am wrong about it? I can get someone in a better offense but if I'm right about the Buccaneers' offense then you're stuck with a guy in a really abysmal offense. I'd rather have Vincent Jackson in the eighth round than Mike Evans in the second or the third. Forget Mike Evans. I like his talent.

I mean, he's a super talent. I don't forget about them. He had a monster of rookie season. And you haven't been in this business as long as I have? You just got to be, you got to have hot takes. You got to go like Adam Shine and you got to put the oven mitts on. You got to go into the oven because those takes are hot. They got to be sizzling.

Ouch, mouch. Or it's not going to make any noise. By the way, I'm just a guy here. I'm just a regular Joe and average Joe here in the presence of greatness and Mark. And it's just, you know, I'm enjoying myself here. Let's move on now to under. I am enjoying myself. to a lesser extent.

Let's move on to undervalued wide receivers. Greg, we'll start with you. I almost feel bad for taking Wes's boy, but we could only pick one here. How is John Brown going in the eighth or ninth round? That is bananas to me. I see John Brown making that T.Y. Hilton type leap where he's getting 1,200, 1,300 yards, where he's a top 15 type of running back, and he's going number 40. So when I look...

It's a wide receiver, Greg. Wide receiver. Yeah. I've been out of the game a little bit, the fantasy game. Why is that happening then? Why is he just, he misspoke is what happened with Greg? Because he's a little guy and, and I don't know. That seems crazy.

They have three, they have three receivers, so they'll spread it around a little bit. And look at Larry Fitzgerald's only going one spot ahead of John Brown. I know a lot of people are writing off Larry Fitzgerald. His numbers weren't good. I trust my eyes. And when he was healthy and Carson Palmer was healthy last year, Larry Fitzgerald looked like 2009 Larry Fitzgerald to me. I think this guy's got plenty left in a thing.

I would take both of these Cardinals received. Yeah, I would too. When I saw the two, I considered Fitzgerald for it. That was the one when I looked at the whole top 50 that scene. Wow, that's almost wrong. How could John Brown not? He's very similar to me. Martavis Bryant is getting taken in the fifth round.

I would rather have John Brown than him. With a guy like Fitzgerald, don't we? He's done it fantasy-wise year after year after year. And if you're not overspending for him, those are the guys I want on my team. That's a good year for him. By the way, Smokey Brown, just five starts last year. He appeared in 16 games, 102 targets, despite just five. five starts. That includes the Ryan

Linley games. Right. Yikes. But what does starts mean for wider receiver? He was on the field a ton. He just... No, but I mean, give him 16 starts. The target's going to go straight through the roof, especially if Fitz gets hurt again, which could happen. All right, Wes, you're undervalued wide receiver. Come on, fantasy people. What are

you doing? You dolts, dullards, and simpletons. Calvin Johnson is... Don't yell at me, Wes. Calvin Johnson is the sixth best wide receiver, or six wide receiver off the board? Stop! Wow. What are you doing? He's the best wide receiver in the NFL. Stop this nonsense. Calvin Johnson's undervalued. He should be the number one receiver. Is it, are people concerned about his durability after that happened last season?

No, it's people stare only at last year's stats, and that's all, people pay for last year stats, and they just wipe away last year. It's not complicated. Buy low, sell high. Calvin Johnson's been the number one wide receiver for seven years. He's still in his prime. If you have the, you guys have the number six pick in your draft, I know you're trying to get Mark Sessler, to be a little more engaged. No, I mean, Calvin Johnson is not a crazy pick at number six. No, not at all. Wes is absolutely right.

Yes, he hasn't quite been himself, but he's still productive. And when he was healthy last year, he was still Calvin Johnson. His money in the bank. When you look at his numbers. Last year's stats should not guide your drafting philosophy. Knowing that Calvin Johnson is awesome should drive your draft year. And just he'll turn 30 in September. So he's not a spring chicken anymore.

But you have a very good chance of getting Calvin Johnson in the second round. and him being completely healthy and dropping 115 catches for 1800 yards and 10 touchdowns for you. He's also 17 touchdowns. Right, and he's in an offense where for years he was the only wide receiver they had. You've got Golden Tate, and if Eric Ebron does anything this year

and with what they have going on in the backfield, I mean, he's not the only one defenses can pay attention to. Maybe I'll save this for the Philosophies Show on Friday, but I mean, you could argue the top eight receivers are all undervalued. I don't think we've had a time in fantasy football history for what it's worth. where you have such safe options at the top where they're all money in the bank and you're getting an A minus B plus pick out of all of them.

There's almost no risk. Just take those guys until they're off the board. Barring injury, you're getting 100 catches, 1,500 yards, and 12 touchdowns out of most of these eight receivers. I mean, that's what you're looking at. Just to be clear, on a Friday show, we're going to get through all the quarterbacks. And as Greg mentioned, the philosophy, that is not in no way related to the theology podcast, which is coming down the road. Sure.

All right. Now it's time. We've talked to the icons. You know, old regular Joe Zusser had his say. And now we're going to the fantasy corner, the old Sessler corner. Regular Joe Zootzer. NFL media, Fantasy Outsider. Mark Sessler's Corner. What do you got for us, buddy? All right. Well, today I want to talk about the fact that, you know, fantasy football has grown. We can kill that music whenever you can.

But we can take it a little lower. It's like blowing out our eardrums. Let's think about the listener, which we didn't do that show. Way lower. This is baby making music. Let's take it down. Not really the tone of the piece, but, you know, fly with whatever you need to fly with. You know, so fantasy football, it's grown, obviously, in this country, right? Because we live in a very super soft, peacetime environment.

Extremely soft. You are. It's ridiculous. That's fair. But not everyone's sitting on the throne of ease. I have done some research and identified four people groups who do not have time for fantasy football. All right? These guys don't have time for this nonsense.

Let's start with number one, Peru's Shining Path. You heard of these guys? It's a Maoist-led guerrilla faction. I have not heard of this. Well, they're working endlessly to sack the bourgeois democracy in Latin America. Don't have time for Joseph Randall's ADP, don't care. How did Maoism end up in Peru? Wes, it's streaming everywhere, and these guys, the Shining Path are on it.

Like Netflix. All right. Second group, another group with no time for fantasy football. hobby horse activity. The Brotherhood subculture known as bronies. All right. We have one in our newsroom. I leave on purry.

He is a brony. These are male fans of My Little Pony who live and die by the creed of friendship is magic. Okay. While some bronies might potentially delve into the realm of artisory sports, the crossover is scant. Okay. Bronys have other priorities. I mean, they're troubled. They have other things going on.

It's not fantasy. Subway pitchmen and the like, yeah. That's fair. Group number three. The Universal Church of the New World Comforter. Not sure if you've heard of this one, Dan. The hardworking UFO cult founded in 1973 by Alan Michael. They're too busy watching the skies for incoming terror

to care about whether Martavis Bryant has oilier hips than Marcus Wheaton. Don't care, don't have time. They probably should be doing fantasy sports. They better use of time. Go talk to them about it. I will. I don't think you want to talk to them. They're busy.

One final group. Covert operatives housed inside the government's MK Ultra Mind Control Program. All right. These clandestine types far too busy authoring cutouts and false flags while repeatedly selling the concept of a lone nut gunman to a flaccid droned out public. Don't have time for rotissory sports. I thought you would bring them up.

Well? I thought when you said people that didn't have time, you might say like policemen. They have too much to do. Tons of cops play fantasy ball. Okay. I'm going deeper because these are people with their world's perspective is not allow them to participate.

You're saying fantasy sports a luxury these people don't have. That is correct. On the Mark Sessler Fantasy Corner, the Fantasy Outsider, is always a disturbing hot take to be found. We'll come back to you a little later, buddy. Moving on. Now let's talk about some other wide receivers. I'm going to throw out some names now. And Outsider, you can jump in, of course, as well on this.

It's up to you. Or you could just have another cigarette. I could sit this one out, maybe. It's up to you, buddy. Here we go. Wide receivers, wide receivers, you guys let me know. Overrated, underrated. Julian Edelman, Chris Wessling, overrated, underrated, how do you feel about him?

I think he's slightly overrated because he stayed healthy last year. That's not usually his M.O. He is a very banged-up individual when you look at his career, and he's not really a high-volume touchdown guy. So I think if you're in a points per reception league, go ahead and get him. But if you're in a standard league, he's a little overvalued. This is where I do wish I knew if Tom Brady was playing the first four weeks of the season, because I don't know if Julian Edelman is in your fantasy lineup with Jimmy Garapolo.

And that's four out of 13 fantasy weeks. That's a third of the season. That's pretty big. I think he's overvalued, too, because you don't want a guy coming off a career year, essentially. Anybody worried about Julian Edelman's off-season activities, been to a lot of college parties, a lot of photos taking a lot of, you know, I'm going to be honest, women.

I mean, in the scope of what NFL players are doing in the off-season, it's probably mid-range. I'm not that concerned. He could be tired. What he did was really tame compared to, like, in 1969, what players were doing. That's true. All right, how about Pierre Garsohn, ladies and gentlemen?

Wildly undervalued. Undervalued. Give me a break. Pierre Garsohn was one of the best receivers in the league just two years ago. He is getting buried. This is where people are way too concerned about last year's stats, which were admittedly terrible. But take a chance on guys who are in their prime

and have shown that they can be a top player before and that are healthy. He's ready to go. Jay Gruden admitted that Pierre Gerson did not have a big enough rule last year, and they spent the offseason making sure he will have a big enough rule this year. Here are the two people getting taken right in front of Pierre Gerson in the 10th round. Marcus Colston, who can barely walk across the street anymore, and Devante Parker, a okay rookie who's not healthy at all.

All right, let's speed round through a few of these. Alan Robinson, one take from each of you guys, or one take for each guy. Love him. Breakout candidate, but he's getting drafted way too high. We don't know if that offense is going to be good yet. Overvalued. Greg, Mike Wallace. Undervalued. People forget Mike Wallace is a good receiver.

He's getting taken one round ahead of Charles Johnson. What has happened? Has Mark Sessler just the only person in these fake drafts? Who is drafted Charles Johnson? Don't be knocking Charles Johnson. I've just said, who's drafted Charles Johnson? One round behind Mike Wallace. Like these two guys are somehow equal.

There's a lot of stink on Wallace after last. Speaking of people getting sucked in on things, Chris Wessling, Tavon Austin, you're buying? Where he's going, he's like barely even being drafted. Roto World doesn't even acknowledge that he's a corporeal entity. Well, this is one of Wes's weirdest takes, though. You have been waiting for this Tavon Austin breakout for every minute of his career. What have you seen? You're always like, less indignant.

You got to look at the tape. You know, I watch the tape. I trust it. What have you seen from Tavon Austin on tape? How many times have I mentioned Tavon Austin to you in our. entire time knowing each other. I can sense things that you think. The Rams have said he's a starter.

Roto World refuses to acknowledge it. He keeps starting. He keeps making plays. They want to get him the ball. So he should be drafted at least as a fly. When you get holes in Signity behind him, you know, you got a bit on that group. Frank Signetti, private eye. Greg.

Victor Cruz. Oh, give me a break. Don't take Victor Cruz. Overvalued. Wes, Sammy Watkins. Undervalued. Sammy Watkins is a stud. People are going to find that out.

I don't care if they have a bad quarterback or not. This is where Watkins is taking fifth or sixth round. That's one of my favorite picks in the draft. Fantasy outsider, outsider Nelson Aguilar. He's overvalued. Overvalued in that off. I think that he's going to put up numbers, but it might take some time. Go get your Jordan Matthews.

Forget about. That's what I'm talking about. Mike Wallace is getting taken a round after him. He had the worst year of his career last year, and he had like 10, 12 touchdowns. Wes, do you want to be the guy that expects Percy Harthin to stay healthy? No, and when we put his name on his list. list. We didn't know he was getting a shot for his hip, and he's being, he's like this. Ouchy. 66th receiver. I mean, you could at least take a flyer on the dude.

Wes, your boy, Brandon Cooks. He's where he should be, I think. This, but you think he's properly valued. I think he's overvalued. No, he's going to catch 95 or 100 passes. He is getting taken as the number 13 receiver in all the land. That's fine. It's a guy coming off a pretty mediocre rookie season, undersized. He's right next to Alson, Jeffrey, and Jondrey Hopkins. He was on pace. He was on pace. for 90 receptions as a rookie before he got her. You got Alson Jeffrey on one side towering over him. You got the Andre on the other side.

I'm taking those two. I don't have a problem with Cooks where he is in this list. No, I like cooks. Finally, Greg, Dre Day, Andre Johnson. Andre Johnson is undervalued. He's not cool anymore. Somehow playing with Andrew Luck and that offense is not a good thing for him. I don't get that.

People are taking Amari Cooper over him. Before we go back to the Sess's corner for one more time, and maybe I miss heard, just pulling back in the curtain in my ear, TD, did you say TD's sports? car? Yeah, it's a callback. It's the start of the episode. Wait, but what was, I missed what it meant? Overvalued or undervalued? Oh.

Oh. Doesn't exist. Throw it out there. All right, TD's sports car. Overvalued. I've never seen it. I liked it. Once I drove it off the lot, definitely overvalued. Undervalued. It's getting mentioned on an international podcast when it doesn't exist. You're like Des Brian. Brian Bugatti is like the second he gets his

contract. This happened the day after you got your promotion or when did this happen? Let's just move on, guys. This is this corner. T.D.dales meth.com backslash members. Here we go. Back to the corner, allegedly. All right.

Listen, I'm going to keep this one. Wait, let me set you up here. All right. We're heading back to the corner. Back to this music, huh? This guy, he just put out the cigarette, put it out with his boot, and now he's ready to dispense more fantasy analysis. Well, this is something that annoys me, and one of the reasons I jumped out of fantasy. Yeah.

Okay. No, you're still in, but yeah. Well, in our last show we talked about it, you know, it's clear that anyone who's in five or more fantasy leagues, they need to seek help now, and we care about you seek help. But today I want to talk about another massive fantasy no-no, and that is people that draft players that you hate. Okay?

I spent a terrible year in fantasy where I got stuck with Heinz Ward as my wide receiver, and it had to root for him to knock the Browns down week after week, and I can't stand Heinz Ward. I mean, I never liked watching him play. Can't stand his smile. Great analyst, though. NBC. Get him out of there. It got me out of fantasy. So my thing is, have a hate list. All right? If you play fantasy, this is what you do. What's a hate list? Pick 10 players that you

refuse to draft or pick up at any point in the season out of pure standards that you have in yourself in your own heart. Or spite. Or spite. You wouldn't talk to these guys if you were next to him at the donut shop. That's right. Get out of these messy situations. Okay. I would say unless you are an NFL agnostic, like Wes, you might not run into this situation as much as you. I've always had hate lists for fantasy football. Then there you go. Wes ain't taken Eli Manning, for instance. If you don't like the guy, compile a list, just too, if someone's too upsetting to see succeed,

stay out of it. Forget some dignity. Don't draft Heinz Ward. Have some dignity. You're not even playing anymore. Live with some pride. Live with some pride. Get a hate list going and stick to it and don't veer from it.

Number one on your hate list, Mark. I don't play fantasy. My list is clean. Pure. Mark and I have shared a fantasy team for the past four years. We name it after a female that we find fetching every year. Mark thinks he's out this year, but he's still in. He ain't get out. Here's the reason. If you drop out, I'm freezing you out of the show every week. Every time we draft. He's got a microphone. I get blamed for the entire year for anything that happened. The narrative, I think people understand that Dan can bend a narrative. And it's like

some player that Dan picked in the seventh round I'm getting blamed for. I don't need it. All right, that's it for Wednesday's edition. We head away from the corner. Very disturbing place, but always fun and entertaining. We'll live back on Friday with one more fantasy extravaganza talking about the quarterbacks and our own philosophies. So make sure you have more on that hate list on Friday. Okay, we'll dig into a hate list a little more. But until then, thank you for listening and watching on NFL now and anywhere else you can watch us.

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