NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Will big name QBs stay or go?

Episode Date: February 16, 2016

A room filled with heroes – Dan Hanzus, Chris Wesseling, Marc Sessler and Gregg Rosenthal – discuss all the latest news from around the NFL, including the Broncos putting Brock Osweiler’s contract talks on hold out of respect for Peyton Manning, and Dolphins owner Stephen Ross saying he wants head coach Adam Gase to be the next Bill Belichick. Then, the heroes break down which players they think will get a franchise tag in 2016, and which quarterbacks could be looking for a new home next season.Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. The Around the NFL podcast would win a pickup game against Daniel Jeremiah. Welcome back to another edition of the Around the NFL podcast. My name is Dan Hansis and I am joined by a room filled with heroes, Mark Sessler, Chris Wessling, and Greg Rosenthal. What's up, boys? Hey, Dan. I feel better about that bet when Daniel's Achilles was torn, not so much. He's a basketball player.

Like a dated, deeply internal bit right there that DJ used to play pickup basketball until he tore his Achilles. Last year. I would take it. I mean, the four of us versus just one of him, yeah, we would definitely take him out. It was a former college starter at quarterback for Appalachian State. But not at point court. Yeah, college football.

I do remember someone at our meetup in San Francisco mentioned to me that we were shorter as a group than they anticipated. That wouldn't help us on the basketball court But we are a pretty short group You throw Connor in the mix Dan is average height And he's the tallest one Almost six feet tall

So let's calm down with the average height The average American male right now Under 40s like 511 or 6 feet right now Americans are big people Greg You're talking a lot in the front of the show Because I think you want to avoid You know we have to talk about it

We have to talk about what happened last week And you know what it's not I don't want you This is not coming from a place of anger. It's just more... Why would I avoid it? You haven't brought it up to me once and the many times I've seen you actually in between.

I went to a house. Let's... Your party almost makes me think this is all the charade. Let's talk about it. Last week... It's all for show. Greg was on hiatus. And we did a show on Wednesday and, you know,

he wasn't there. He was. And then it turns out he shows up on the other show. So you did the... Rosenthal, Jezelnick, Vanity Project, but you did not do the Around the NFL podcast. I didn't. You did not do the Around the NFL podcast.

ATRB. Whoa. Wait, ATNFL. Wouldn't that make more sense? The Around the NFL podcast. I like TAMI. So let's talk about it, Greg. I like that.

Why did you do the, obviously, the metrics challenge show you do with, The friend, the comedian, over our show, basically, and Mark, let me, I mean, I felt like maybe I was making a too big a deal of it all these months, but it all kind of was laid bare. I mean, I just think I looked up, I look up to Greg as a mentor and a supervisor, so it caught me off guard. Well, as Dan knows, because I asked him what time we were at, I was trying to swing, do it both. This is a fact. I not only requested that I get a babysitter. to cover my kids while I tried to do both podcasts. Unfortunately, she couldn't do it.

I got in a serious fight with my wife about it because I was pushing to do both podcasts. Literally yelling was involved. Wow. Literally yelling. Yeah. We're a pretty calm household, but it was a pretty big problem.

In the end, I decided to back off doing both. I did just do the Rosenthal and Jesselig, and a project for that day. And I don't feel bad about it at all. No, you don't, do you? Why would I? It's, you know, it was a season. It was the last time we were ever going to do it.

It was the only time we could do it. And I don't think anyone but Dan would have ever cared. Much like, even if I hadn't tried to. Is that true? Because I thought that I wasn't alone on this. No, I, I, like I said, my feelings, I had to, you know, weigh this for 72, 100 plus hours and just kind of ponder. We've done millions of podcasts while people are on vacation. Like the fact that you would question my integrity,

I would guess, and I'm not just saying this, I would guess, I think it's pretty safe, I miss the least amount of podcasts ever. I would never think to bring up like, oh, I can't believe you guys are gone for a podcast during the season or during the preseason or whatever. It would never cross my mind. So now you are equating someone being off for the day

or being on vacation. Yeah, but I was. I was on vacation. You choosing one podcast over the other. I would do it in a heartbeat It was the last time I could ever do it Greg you had a choice And you chose to do the show

No I didn't because I couldn't get the babysitter That time period was out regardless And your fight and the text to me And all that stuff You know what it smells like an alibi I don't need to make I don't need to make things of it But this entire

This entire episode If nothing else Doing the Rosenthal And Jessel McVanity Project Was was good because I think it was really telling for me and learning something about this room. A reveal, Magnifico.

How so? And it was a reveal Magnifico for Dan. I realize Dan does not really see me as a friend. Like, you guys see me as a friend. Wait, he had just invited you over to his house. Let's hear him out. Let's hear him out. He doesn't see me as a friend, which is fine.

He doesn't see me as like, he sees me as someone that's on the podcast with him and his boss, ultimately, but friends are supportive. Like, if anything comes up in Dan's career, that could possibly help him, I'm immediately supportive. I'm not really that concerned about my interest. Like, I'm happy for them. Just like Wes and Mark have been happy for me the ultimate.

I don't think they really cared. Oh, yeah. I mean, they've been, you know, doing somersault. I don't think they care one way or the other, though. I mean, Mark's listened to it, so that's good. But I wouldn't get in there. I wouldn't care about that either. So, but you wouldn't care that it took time to listen to?

No, I like that. I mean, I wouldn't care that you don't listen to it. I would never expect it. It's gotten personal, obviously, and I'm not happy about it. My number one priority in the podcast realm of NFL.com is around the NFL podcast. But as as. Terpy. Terrible.

And I am supportive of you. No. I mean, you don't have to pretend. What is this? What are we going with this now? And there's another, you know, someone said, like, I would have just like be like, I like being ourselves on this podcast. You haven't even mentioned this to me once.

Because I thought it was important to share as a group and with the audience because, you know, there was a lot of betrayal. And I thought it was something that needed to be brought out at this moment specifically. Hey, here's the newsflash. People listen to more than one podcast. There's more that, you know, people that came to our show, they all listened to a million different podcasts. They all loved the Rosenthal and Justin Nick Vanity Project. Every single one of them mentioned that. And they love around the NFL.

I listen to tons of podcasts. I hope that podcast that you're on is thankful. that we gave you your listenership. It was a good. It helped for pop, for sure. Does Anthony know that this show exists? Oh, it's kind of a bit that he doesn't know, but he certainly knows it exists.

Listen, this is an oral history for another time. The entire RGVP experience that we can unpack for hours, but we have a whole show to get to. I didn't like how you turned it into a thing, a referendum on our friendship. Well, I think that's a fair point. That was the primary takeaway here, which is, I heard all. I got the fight because I wanted to show up on my vacation for you to go to the thing.

And it wasn't to avoid this. It was just because I wanted to do the podcast because I love doing this podcast. Like if you ever- Not as much as you love doing the other one. If you were ever on vacation and we even made any little thing that was saying, oh, we don't like that you're on vacation, you would be wildly angry. But that's true. We have to say all of this is relevant and it's great.

Mark sees Greg as a mentor. That was my favorite part. Well, I do. You know, when it comes to the topic of covering football, and he's my supervisor, which I've made a bunch of your friend. And more than I could say. It's like the guiding hand in your life.

Yes, very much so. You can be my friend, Dan. I consider you. I just found out you don't see it the other way. I don't support podcasts that are outside the realm of the around the NFL podcast it's nothing personal wouldn't any podcast that we're on be all part of that well at least equally you dislike every other podcast I just thought this is the one where my focus is at and and like they say in the godfather

it's business it's not personal drink so that's it that's how I feel about it that's how I feel that we cleared that up or not we spent I'm glad I spent so much time nothing cleared up whatsoever this is the around the NFL podcast and we're going to talk about football, believe it or not, at some point in the show, a lot to get to today. Today is Tuesday. The franchise tag is now available to be deployed by any team. I don't think anything's happened yet as of taping of the show, but it will go down as teams can take steps to make sure some of their better players cannot get away. So Wes wrote a phenomenal piece. I enjoyed it. on the franchise tag that you can check out at nfl.com.

But we will talk about that today. Also, it's always fun to talk about quarterbacks. Quarterbacks are in some ways, gentlemen, the lifeblood of professional football. So why not talk about some quarterbacks that are on the bubble, if you will? Are they going to stay with their team? Are they going to go somewhere else? So we'll kind of go around the room. We'll throw out some names of Mark.

You wrote a piece on that that you can see at NFL. But we will get into that conversation and pull out some different guys. And of course, as we always do, we're going to do a little news. Greg, this, I mean, that was just like a sad way to start the pod. You, it was bringing the friendship thing into it. That went. Oh, so you're saying you couldn't get. How about this?

Say one nice thing about Greg. I don't know. That's even worse. Why? It was exactly what Dan wanted. The whole point, Dan doesn't really care about any of this. It's just like make, you know, you wanted some drama. You set it up all last week.

That's what you were looking to set up to start the show. My only sin is that I care about the podcast too much. And if that leads to you thinking that it was some type of a front that I wasn't supportive of the other podcast that you feel. Well, it's not in the front. It's a fact. I was respectful of the entire run of the RJVP. I would have said any of this about that.

Did I ever privately? The La Vio Magnifico was months ago. It was not. Did I ever privately express any concerns? Did I, you know, I never did anything It never stood in the way of your show You know, it's just, you know Well, that presumes that you could

Well, you know, I could have done some stuff And you'll never know Because I didn't because I was respectful Of my mentor, Greg Rosenthal Let's do some news, Sidney Oh, who's What is that? Sounded like Greg's voice

What was Greg's? Well, what, can we hear it? That was from our good friend At go get my lunch.org Yeah, you want to hear it again? Yeah. This guy's been cheating. I don't know who I was talking about there.

What was the line? This guy's been cheating? Oh, this guy's been cheating. Yeah, before you say something like, just wait until he starts using regulation footballs. So who knows what that was. Oh, one more thing before we get to the news, we did have a little gathering at Hansus Manor

that I invited Greg to and his daughter came. We had a nice time. Yeah, that's what I mean. If it really mattered to you, you would bring it up. We're not friends anymore. Sharad. But one of the star attractions of the day were my new cornhole boards that came courtesy of the people at Victory Tailgate. Really nice.

And Wes, I think you tweeted out a photo of it. So if you check out Wes's handle that had the Around the NFL podcast logo on it, even the cornhole bags had a podcast logo on it. The bags you can see on my Instagram. Yeah. They were stunning because, I mean, we've played on what problems. I know, Wes has some great boards, but I mean, when I was in Ohio, I saw some ones that were kind of mid-level. These were just amazing. They're very nice.

So at Victory Tailgate, also at the website www.w.victorytailgate.com. Check that out. And thank you for the boards. Now the news. Here we go. We'll start with a little Broncos quarterback talk. Because really, guys, quarterback is the lifeblood position of the NFL when you think about it. before in my opinion but brock osweiler is a quarterback drafted in the second round four years ago

by denver presumably as peyton manning's successor and now here we are in present time manning just coming off a super bowl win but a lot of people thinking that he's going to retire or that he should retire uh there was a report that came out of uh nine news in denver mike cleese uh that he used to write for the denver post yeah that's right yeah is that a recent defection uh about a year You should say, Wes and I hung out with him one night. Great guy. That would be an indie. This is a great topic for the media defection podcast. That's coming up.

Yeah, in the off season. But Mike Cleese reported that the Broncos are holding off on any discussions with Brock Osweiler, quote, out of respect to Peyton Manning, who has not decided or at least announced, whether he intends to keep playing or retire after 18 seasons. Here's the first question, Greg, as we attempt to repair our fractional relationship now. I'm over it. We're going to lean on football and work our. our way back.

But really, is this a mistake for the Broncos to, at this point, still just kind of a week outside the Super Bowl, but to be playing this so respectfully towards Peyton Manning when they're, you know, technically wasting days where they could be getting something done with Brock? I don't think it matters right now. The timeline of it is all very strange, though. How long can they wait out of respect? I would say once you're getting to the combine, that's normally the time that agents and

the team start diving in. This is not an easy contract. You're not going to give them the franchise tag. So I almost don't believe it. And if they're not talking now, they're going to be soon. They can only wait so long. They're going to have to get some sort of heads up from Manning in the next week and a half, I would say, would be the time.

The thing I find weird is, let's say Manning comes around and says, I'm coming back, I want to play. I don't see Denver signing up to keep him on any level. They don't want to go through this. It will get ugly. This is interesting because it's a classy move to give him. time. But Archie Manning has come out and said, Peyton knows he's not going to be back with the Broncos, that the Broncos don't want him back. So it's classy, but in the same way,

the Broncos have presumably made it clear that they don't want him back. I don't think they've made it clear necessarily. It's just logic that they don't want him back. And I think they're just hoping he retires so that they won't have to cut him or start negotiating with Brock having not cut him before. And then he's just sitting on their cap for $17 million. I mean, they have until, you know, just before a free agency starts, but you can't wait that long, obviously, to get the deal done with Osweiler. Assuming they're going to. Damn, they won't.

Dan mentioned they drafted Osweller to be manning successor, and I don't think that the four years that they've been there together could have worked out any better. This is what they drew up. Two Super Bowl appearances, multiple records broken. I think it's phenomenal, so this is a great succession plan. Now you stick Osweiler in there. And you've had him learning in the quarterback room with Manning his entire career,

which at the Super Bowl, he said, you cannot explain how helpful that was. You have John Elway in the building. I mean, you can't really prepare. This is Aaron Rogers part, too. I'm not seeing he's that kind of a player, but the idea of rushing these quarterbacks onto the field like four months after the drafted. This is the reverse, and I think it would pay off big for them to resign him. And it just feels like time that this is now where the torch gets past.

that gets complicated a little bit that you just won the Super Bowl so it's like you think oh maybe status quo but you need to move on and we'll see it's just a matter it feels like it's just a political game they got to make sure they make all the right moves to get it done and I trust John Alway well would you be happy if Osweiler went to Cleveland for instance Mark on a big money deal well I mean because teams are going to start showing interest maybe once they get to the combine they're not allowed to

but they will I mean Osweiler and he's just he's very polished and says all the right things, how much he wants to go back to Denver, and he loves that locker room. But I think probably someone would have to obviously take the risk of majorly overpaying for a quarterback that has a small sample size. But that said, just spending a little bit of time with him like reporters did at the Super Bowl, it is the opposite of some of the haywire quarterbacks they've had. He's the opposite of Mansell in terms of how plugged in he is and how hard he works. And so from that angle, I think it would be interesting for another team to pull him away. if you like them better than one of these other guys in the draft.

You can't swing and miss on another draft guy. In other news, Adam Gase was hired as the head coach of the Miami Dolphins last month. He's 37 years old. He's the youngest head coach in the league. And Dolphins owner, it is optimism season in Miami. He always is this time of year more than any other franchise. It always seems like Miami thinks they finally have figured out. And Stephen Ross believes they have hit a home run, if you would,

Will, with Adam Gasey had this to say. Instead of getting a retread that really hasn't had a great track record as head coach, I was looking for somebody that really could be the next, if you will, Bill Belichick, Bill Parcells, he told the Palm Beach Post, you know, really a great head coach, and I think we got one. Is there any connection to Bill Belichick other than both men being 37 when they first got hired? He pretty much conflicted himself, considering Bill Belichick was a retread when he landed with the Patriot. It's, you know, I don't know what Stephen Ross is looking for, but, yeah, I don't know.

I think Stephen Ross is fascinated and borderline obsessed with the Bill Parcell's coaching tree. He's had Parcells as a consultant for most of the time he's been in Miami. The general manager, Jeff Ireland, was a Parcells guy. Tony Sparano was a Parcells guy. Mike Tanimob, who's now running the old Parcell's rule is the football czar in Miami as a Parcells guy. So to me, it's no surprise that he made those comparisons. It seems like a little bit of a, uh, leap of faith to me well he's a guy that owns the time warner center in new york city and he's been

that's you know where he's made his money in some respect and he's been obsessed with those teams and players and it's it's what was the other thing he said in this that that within three year basically if after three years we haven't made the playoffs we're looking for a new coach that's just the way to way it is the fans want it come on i don't know fans want it please you're going to sell out a stadium in the NFL no matter what the fans want you make your money from tvs I mean, you can't listen to the fans on what they want to do. I'm going to sell it out in Miami. Or you're not going to fill the seats at least.

They're going to make money because they're part of the NFL. The point is you can't listen to the fans. You run your operation how you want to run it. There's enough pressure on these guys, especially when you're the youngest head coach in the league. It takes probably two seasons to really start to feel comfortable. And I get the whole you want to be a playoff team right away. But it was sort of unnecessary to make that comment. I don't know who does it help?

it's yeah it's a port i mean it just leads to discussions like this one that makes makes it puts undue uh you know pressure on adam gays maybe not really but but it's it's kind of obvious too right i mean jim caldwell wins 11 games and he starts off the next season poorly and everyone just assumes he gets fired that's year two after a hugely successful year one so that's just the way the NFL works he's it's weird to hear it but yes after three years you don't make a playoffs like almost never is a guy back for a fourth i don't think it happens right i mean they've been that team that's probably back for a fourth yeah they've hovered around that eight and eight mark before what you know it fell off the wheels a little bit last year but if they go five six seven wins

then yeah gaze will be gone runs counter to how success works in the NFL we we pointed out in this podcast at midseason all the best NFL teams were ones with stability head coaching quarterback doesn't feel like the dolphins are floating too a little bit like it either they've they've been a buzzy pick to make the playoffs especially last year but i don't know we've seen enough of ryannehill to kind of know who he is i don't know if lamar miller will be back that will make him any stronger if he decides to go somewhere where they'll give him the ball i mean i don't know i don't know what's going on in miami i wouldn't feel too good if i was a member of that uh fan base you know what the big takeaway from this whole uh article was when i was researching this

mark sessler is our adam gays beat writer that's the big takeaway he has written five articles about Adam Gase from January 1st through mid-February. None of the rest of around the NFL has written a single Adam Gays article. I thought Connor got in there once or twice, but I mean, I like the coaching. You like the coordinator. Yeah. I think that's why I think Gase has a chance. But anywhere Gase has gone, he's done a good job.

You know, the coordinator supreme for the last few years in terms of bell of the ball. I mean, Ross always wants that splashy hire. And there wasn't a Jim Harbaugh sitting out there this year, but he got what a lot of people thought was the number one candidate. So how about just sit back and be patient for a bit? Let the thing breathe. Well, this seems obvious, but the longer I've covered the NFL, I still think it's underrated, and it's the most important thing is your owner.

The quarterback. It's the lifeblood. I would say the owner. I mean, the quarterback maybe is number one, but ownership matters so much. In any sport. In any sport. But it matters even more than I thought.

Like, I keep realizing it matters more and more and more. and he's a guy who bought the team six or seven years ago, and I think he's still making a lot of the mistakes new owners make. If I was your mentor, you would have known about the power of owners in sports, one of which ended my fandom. By the way, I was aware of each and every one of Mark's Adam Gase Post because he would tap me on the shoulder after he finished each one, and it's like, here, here's some gase in your face.

And a simulated base story. Direct quote, true story. moving on speaking of beat writers chris wesling one day when david johnson is enshrined in canton and the bust is on display it will be chris wessling around the NFL writer for 20 years consecutively that will handle the speech here's something from west the headline steve kime quote scary how good david johnson can be and uh west you believe that david johnson was slighted by the offensive rookie of the year voters they gave Todd Gurley the award but this is what Kime had to say about Johnson just going back and looking at some of the things David did on our tape just

recently from a skill set standpoint it's scary 6 1 West 226 he moves quick he's fast is this guy the future of the running back position in the NFL I wasn't aware that I was the only David Johnson supporter some gase in your face in this room

and in the NFL community well you're like the biggest guy you're like the guy when someone needs, like, a David Johnson quote for a feature they're working on, call up the old mailman. Chris, how many times have you spoken to David Johnson? Zero. But West doesn't speak to anybody in the actual NFL world. Only for my long-form projects because they're former players who are free to speak their mind

and don't give you cliches. Yeah, very good. Yeah. Go ahead. Talk about David Johnson. I like this because it's basically echoing what Greg Rosenthal has said on this podcast. Several times. That David Johnson is already one of the six or seven best running backs in the NFL.

And when you hear Steve Kime and Bruce Ariens talk about him, it's pretty obvious they see him as a superstar who plays three downs and is already one of the best receiving backs in the NFL, just a well-rounded guy. Well, this is the guy that every year a new fantasy guy is kind of the bell of the ball. And usually I disagree with it. You know, I disagree with Steve. He should be the ball of the ball of the ball. But David Johnson should be.

He's got to get taken to the top, what, seven or eight picks, I would say, next year. And that doesn't bother me at all. He can do it all. He's like, he reminds me a lot of Levi-on-Bel, not like they're the same player, but that they are a rare NFL running back that can do literally everything. Tom Moore. It's a hard to find. Tom Moore of the, what is he, septuagenarian, octogenarian consultant for the Cardinals on offense.

Compared him to Franco Harris, pretty high praise. Are we, by the way, on the first? fantasy corner right now. Here I am with Chris Wesleying and Greg Rosenthal, the founders. They built the brick by brick, even the HTML of Rotoworld. Also in the room is Mark Sessler. We're talking about David

Johnson. Top 10 pick in a standard 10 team drafts. I have no qualms about that whatsoever. He has both the opportunity in one of the best offenses in the NFL, has the three-down skill set, and is just really talented. I'm such a mentor to Wes. I brought him with me for

Roto World. True. And now it's head to over to... After he built it, Brick Butter. Sizzler Corner, his hot take on fantasy. Well, I think that what I like to see when a rookie running back has the season he did is you've got to go into next season and train. Jeremy Hill was the guy we were talking about a year ago who became absolutely the reverse. And it's not because anyone was wrong about Jeremy Hill.

He's dynamic, but maybe he didn't take his training seriously enough. So if you're David Johnson, you start reading all these headlines, you've got to keep it up. This is an excellent point. I would make two points as a rejoinder. David Johnson, among all of the effusive praise, Kime had, was basically one of the things, just a great guy, a great young man. We all love him.

Anyway, so you think he has the diligence to follow through, but also from a fantasy perspective, David Johnson's receiving ability makes him slump proof, whereas Jeremy Hill needed the Bengals to be playing from ahead to score fantasy. And you don't see Arizona taking a step back on offense. I don't at all. I think they'll be even better. I thought the Sizzler Street Corner is more kind of little something a little far-flung,

so something little edgy, and then you brought some real analysis. I was not ready for that. It was very good, though. You know, when you're surrounded in a room by multiple mentors, you just can't help but develop that kind of analysis over the course of five, six years. It's true. It's true. It's check in real.

Very slowly. Let's check real quick over on the throne of Ease, where DeAngel Williams is tweeting the Steelers running back that. He is, first of all, I sent out a tweet, which I found interesting. It was a notice of termination from the Panthers, which just shows you how cutthroat the NFL is. A Panthers fan in response, or excuse me, a Patriots fan in response tweeted back, you know, the paths we treat you with respect come to us. And DeAngel's response to that was interesting. He said, from what I hear, I'm paraphrasing here because I lost the paper, but from when I hear, Tom Brady's the only person that likes Bill Belichick. I'm good with that.

Greg, your thoughts. You must be obviously very angry about that. I am furious. How dare DeAngelo be smirch? You know what people like? They like rings on their fingers. They like money that they make in free agency. They like being productive.

That's fair dog. They like being productive. So I think there's a lot of people that probably wouldn't say it's the most fun place to work, but it's a good work. Reggie Wayne. Famously said he quit his attempt at catching out of New England because he wasn't having fun there or wasn't. what he was expecting.

But yeah, if you're a running back, though, I guess if you're a Patriots running back, unless you're Corey Dillon, you're probably never going to be the glory boy of that team. But, yeah, you're going to be in the playoffs. You get close to the Super Bowl, win Super Bowls West. Just disgusted by Daniel Williams. The Angela Williams, that is preposterous.

Any professional sports player in any sport wants a coach who puts the team first and puts his players in position to win every game, every season. That's the foremost thing. Is your coach smarter? than the other team's coaches and give us an advantage every week. Can they help you? Can you help your career? Dionne Lewis, Legerrant Blunt, Kevin Falk, Shade.

He made them money. Shade Marine. I could go through all their running backs of the last five or six years, and he's helped maximize their skills. Also, you don't hear, like, one player after the next exiting New England, even the ones that weren't, they couldn't cut it because they weren't mentally intelligent enough to handle some of the wide receivers. No one comes out nailing Belichick.

I mean, no one's coming out of their bad-mouthing that coach. I mean, he has a lot of detractors. Sure, but. Don Shula to, you know, Eric Mangini on down. There are a lot of people that have had bad things to say about him, but, you know, maybe not a lot of players. The paragon of NFL virtue, Eric Mangini. Hey, he's my friend from the bar, leave me alone.

All right. So Velichick, yeah, who cares if anybody likes you, doesn't matter. Tom Brady also tweeted out some photo or I was on Facebook. Facebook of him skiing on the top of the mountain, Greg. I mean, that's a reconstructed knee. He's almost 40 years old. You don't want him on that mountain, right? Someone asked me, seriously, is this bother?

It's like, you don't want him on the mountain. Life's too short for to be bothered by what Tom Brady is doing with his family in the offseason. You don't want him. You get a life. Hate the call, Tom Brady. It's better than the condition he was in at the boxing match last summer. The Pachial-Mayweather fight. Yeah.

The shots of the pay-per-view of Tommy walking into the arena. You had fun of the Kentucky Derby earlier that day. I think that's what you're alluding to. That is what I'm alluding to. We are not ones to throw stones. Right, exactly. Life is, you know, we could all die on the way home from work today in a car crash. I'm not going to get too worked up about top radio skiing.

You choke on a chicken boom. Greg, if you were to die in a car accident, I would be very upset. And I would be at your funeral. That's good. So I guess I'm a friend, as it turns out. It would be a, it would be a particular, you would think that would be a particular, you would think that would be a particularly bad time for me to die because we would have, you know, died

on, you know, an unfortunate day. Very suspicious. You'd have to get someone on that case. Oh, you're insinuating that I wasn't going there. No, I'm just saying. The evidence is out there on tape. Yeah. I wasn't going there. I just said you wouldn't want to. It's like the kid who didn't tell, you know, his dad

something nice. You know, they got in a fight right before. You never, yeah, that's always, uh, the last thing I told was that I hated him. And he's pounding on a window. I feel like you guys have started to patch it up though well no i wasn't the one that ever questioned our relationship that was great that's not so i'm more i'm more kind of like reacting off that and just trying to be like all right how serious was he was he just upset was it you know something that will blow over we're still

i'm still kind of lay the land situation it's blown over it's blown over i don't think so i was just letting you know you know put my name in the mouth you got to be careful I mean honestly I just put my name in your mouth that better be a drop on Nick Fortier's website by the way we need Nick to update the sandwich bets I don't need him to I don't want to call him out but you know let's let's update that Nikki unpaid volunteer

that's true and he does great work go get my lunch.org All right, finally in the news, the Giants tweeted out, made it official. We've known this for like a month. But our old friend, private investigator, Frank Signetti, PI, is officially the quarterbacks coach of the New York Giants. This is a new staff member, Greg Rosenthal of the staff. So we're happy not only is Frank Signetti. And we've talked about Signetti, you know, he had to turn in his badge and his gun in St. Louis, did not get a chance to clean up the streets

in the way he wanted to, but now he's going to Gotham. And no shortage of crime and streets to clean. That's a good point. So that is an interesting landing spot for Frank. But to spin it back towards football, Greg, you really have an issue with this coaching staff in the Meadowlands. Well, this whole thing about blaming Tom Coughlin for everything, keeping the whole staff basically bothers me that they brought back the GM.

And then the thing that really stuck out in the press release today was that he has 20 assistant coaches, Ben McAdoe. Twelve of those coaches, including all three coordinators, were on the staff last year. Obviously, McAdoo was on the staff last year. It's basically Tom Coughlin's staff. That's fine. Here is the first quote of the press release. Quote, this is a new staff, McAdoe said. Nobody was retained.

There were no holders, holdovers. everyone was hired when I sat down with everyone on the staff that was one thing I wanted to make clear no one was retained no one was a holdover everyone here was hired as part of a new staff but it just happens to be Tom Coughlin's staff why are they so that's a lie why is he well no he's his point I guess is that this is my staff this isn't Tom Coughlin's staff I started this staff from scratch it just so happens the staff is almost the exact same as last year's staff that was was Tom Coppola. So I repeat, that's a lie.

Exactly. Wait, wait, would that qualify as false hustle? No, no. No. It's come up recently that we, some people don't understand the phrase false hustle. Apparently myself. Yeah. I just learned it.

I love it. Yeah. It made sense immediately to me. But it's like, oh, I went out and hired these guys. Well, actually, like half of them were already here. So nice try, looking like you worked hard. Well, it's just like, why are you going out of you? They really are trying to stress.

It's a whole new beginning, Giants fan. It's a PR tactic. It's a whole new beginning of Giants fans because I think Giants fans like me have been underwhelmed by this whole idea. You're Giants fan? No. But I'm saying I've been underwhelmed. Giants fans have been underwhelmed.

Well, yeah, the dirty little secret here for the Giants is that they ran Tom Coughlin out of town. So now this is all the cleanup and it's like, whoa, they ran Tom Coughlin out of town. It's kind of crazy that that happened. But that's what they decided to do. One of the great tragedies of this offseason is that Coughlin did not end up in Philly. that would have been amazing to watch. And now he's going to be like 70 by the time the next off season rolls around.

Maybe he will be too old. Yeah, that's sad. Maybe he'll be the Giants coach next year. His whole staff is there. Take it over. Kevin Gilbride Jr. is the tight ends coach. And that's what's happening in the news. Yes, franchise tag.

You can now hit your guys with it. Nobody in a rush to do it at least at the beginning of the business day in the opening day of the franchise period. Chris Wessling wrote up a piece on NFL.com. He called it the franchise tag primer. And you listed 12 guys, you know, basically putting in order how likely to unlikely that they will be getting tagged prominent guys. And we'll start from the bottom of the list.

They're going to skip past the punters and the kickers. And that's not disrespectful. But they're not the lifeblood. It is disrespectful. They're not the lifeblood. Are they the lifeblood? No, they're not. Who would be the lifeblood?

Well, I didn't know this until today. but now I know that quarterbacks are the lifeblood of the NFL. But Wes is a collection of kickers and punters. Here's a tease. Go over at NFL.com and check out who Wes put as the kickers and punters. But we'll start with number 12 on your list. Russell O'Koon, the Seahawks tackle, former first round pick. You put him as unlikely, and he's the only one that's unlikely.

I'm just curious why, Wes. Well, he had a major injury. He's supposed to be out for at least five months recovering from surgery. I don't know if a team's going to use a few. franchise tag on someone like that, as desperate as the Seahawks are on their offensive line. Under the questionable list, two names, one that I can pronounce and one I will defer to Greg Rosenthal. Reggie Nelson, the Bengals safety at number 11 listed as a questionable.

And then a raven's guard, Greg, by the name of. Calceo Semelaine. Thank you. Questionable, Chris Wesleying. Reggie Nelson makes a little bit of sense because the Bengals always have plenty of cap room. and Nelson is, I think he's going on age 33 coming off his best season. So in that sense, it makes sense just to go one year with him.

And Assembly is one of the best guards in the NFL and also showed late last season he can play left tackle. The only problem is you have to franchise him at the tackle rate, 13.5 million. Why do they do that? Everything on offensive line falls under the offensive line umbrella. It just seems that they're completely different positions that the NFL would be ahead of that the way they're paid. They used to be separate, if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, I think this is relatively new. I don't know why they combine it.

Although, big name guards, I mean, if he made it to the open market, he'll get paid. He'll get $12 or $13 million a year. He'll get it at pretty much at that rate. So I don't think it's that crazy. I mean, that's just how free agency's got to be this year with all this cap room. Wes, your next category was voting, yes. I, in all honesty, I took these categories from Greg Rosenthal.

I stepped on his toes this year by doing this article. You could have made a new, you know, headline. I don't know if I used voting yes every single year. This has long been a Greg post, though. Yeah, I stepped on his toes when he was out of the office. Would this be false hustle? A shadowy league figure asked me to do this. No, it was smart thinking by everyone involved

because they moved up the free agency timeline this year. there's less time until free agency starts. Franchise tags start today. Usually it would have been next week. Did it sting, though, when you saw it up advertised to someone else's past? I really did see it. I wouldn't say it stung, but I was like, oh, why did they do that? And I was.

That's my corner. I was like, it's my choice. I should have at least let me know. But then I saw that the whole timeline had changed, and I thought that's good thinking. It would have been too late. All right. So these are the ones West thinks it will happen.

uh, Ali Vernon, the Dolphins defensive end. Ollie. Yeah, I'm, I'm breaking it out. I'm going to get this thing going. All right. I'm on board. Eric Barry, the chief safety, Doug Martin, bucks running back, Cordy Glenn, Bill's offensive tackle, uh, and big Moe Wilkerson of the Jets,

Wes, which one of these guys on this group, uh, that I just named up would, would, uh, not surprise you if they somehow did not get the tag. I know you said they, it will happen, but it could where it doesn't work. It's tricky to do this because a lot of these guys, it's like either the franchise tag or a long-term deal before free agency. I think Doug Martin is a guy everybody's talking about now who might want to test his value on the open market. It's clear he wants to get paid like a top running back.

And it's not clear yet if the Buccaneers think of him that same way. So I think he would jump out in Ali Vernon as well. Dolphins have cap issues. So I don't know if they want to go franchise tag with him. Yeah, I would not vote yes with those two. Would you be a little spooked if you were, you know, With Doug Martin, I know he had an amazing first year, muscle hamster, great last season, the two years in between not so great at all to bank on him being, you know, one guy and not the other.

I'd be a little nervous to give him good money. I mean, like we talked about before the show, though, the thing is you've got Dirk Hudders, the head coach, and he is really the main proponent of Doug Martin all last off season. When Martin probably was a good bet to land on a different team last year, had he not been, you know, rallied around by the coach who's now. the head guy, so I think they keep him around. He's the perfect guy for a franchise tag because you don't want to go

multi-years with him. You want to say, all right, can you repeat last year? That's what I thought until then, and I even said it in a now hit. It does make sense. Running back more than anything, one-year contracts are awesome. But $11.5 million for Doug Martin,

it's tricky. I think they'll find a long-term deal for him. I don't think they'll franchise him. And I don't think they're going to franchise tag him. verted because your boy, Derek Shelby, is a free agent as well, and you got Indomac and Sue taking up a lot of money. I think he's going to break the bank if he makes. I just don't think they can afford to add another guy at that number, and I think they'll

let him go. If you're the bucks, though, you have your quarterback under an affordable contract long term, and it is a one year. You're paying maybe too much for a running back, but it's a one-year thing. And he's like, if you take, if you take Doug Martin out of that offense, what happens to the running game? What's his value, though, if he's going to be like a $12 million player, you know what I mean? It's like, you got to get the- For one year, though? It's the cap.

That's what I'm saying. It's a running back. You go year to year with him. That's why I don't think he'll get the tag because I think they'd love to sign him long-term, but what's his long-term deal right now? Two years, 16 million and most of it's guaranteed, something like that. You know, that's a lot for a running back, but I think they would do that. But if you're doing that, you can't pay him 11 in the first, you know, I don't know. Just pay them 11 now.

That's a no-brainer to me. You've got plenty of cap room if you're the Buccaneers. Why not just throw $11 million at your running back? What else are you going to do with the money? It disappears quick, though, cap. Yeah, but where else are you going to go over, do what the Raiders do and go overpay for a bunch of mediocre free agents? I don't know.

Just spend your money. You need to. Finally, the no-brainers, as West puts it, these are guys that will be tagged if they don't get long-term deals. Von Miller, number one, Kirk Cousins, number two, Josh Norman, number three, and Alshan Jeffrey, number four. Makes sense to me. Alshan Jeffrey is the only guy in that list that,

it seems like people in Chicago aren't totally convinced that he's going to get the tag. For instance, in Tampa, they don't think Martin's going to get the tag. You would think that Jeffrey would get it. Why wouldn't he? He's a difference maker when he's healthy, and I think the question with him has always been, do you trust him to stay in peak physical shape?

he's had in college and the NFL several seasons where he's had issues and last year with the hamstring injuries that was an issue so but I think when he's healthy he's one of the top 10 receivers in the NFL well I mean they're dry and pace the GM did say we are going to factor in his durability but if you don't have Jeffrey you've lost Brandon Marshall the year before and now you're hoping that Kevin White comes back out of nowhere met Forte this year too right so you I think you've got to just to sustain your offense you've got to keep Jeffrey maybe the The Marshall move was the right move because they didn't really like him as a personality in the locker room.

But, you know, he went out and had 115 catches last year. Jeffrey, if he's healthy and goes to a team that can move the ball on offense, he's going to have a monster of your T. You can't just let these studs out the door for nothing. It's like you're the mid-90s Montreal Expos. These franchises are nice-s-done. I like that. Dan Duquette.

Having to get rid of Pedro, Vlad Guerrero. Tough time. Markis. How about learn some lessons from north of the border? Pedro Martinez, yeah. If Jonah Carey's listening to this podcast, he's just completely enamored by you right now. Don't even know how that is. I was just thinking how big of a boondoggle, the franchise tag is.

Boondoggle. Boondoggle! For the NFL. Like how lucky are NFL teams that back in the day they thought of the franchise tag? Because it is preventing Alshan Jeffrey from making so much money. He would get $50 million guaranteed, maybe $45. He would get like a Des Bryant type $80 million contract. and yet he's prevented from doing that.

I like this conversation. It has nothing to do with luck. It has to do with the fact that the owners drove a hard bargain. And unlike other sports like baseball, where the product on the field suffers because the union is way too strong, the NFL has never gone that way, and fans get rewarded for that

because the owners have driven a hard bargain. You guys are making me nervous, though, about the next collective bargaining agreement. One day, one day the players and the union's going to put their freaking foot down. No, they're not because the NFL owners have handled this all long since the beginning of the NFL as a league issue as opposed to baseball where the owners have screwed each other over the years and in turn screwed the players so hard that vengeance had to come. Yeah, but you're missing the point that these other, these NFL players are looking around the professional sports grid and seeing how much more a middle reliever in baseball is getting paid than the best wide receiver. You have to pay 53 NFL players and only 25 baseball players. You know what you do to that football player?

you transition tag him. Well, this is why this, you're right, I think, Dan, that when it comes up again, it's going to be a problem. If nothing else, because the players have been now told for year upon year that they did a bad job last year. They got killed on the last CBA. Doesn't matter.

When does this one end? The union's not strong. For a while. A couple of years we got. No, we've got a number of more years. Yeah. Finally, before. Ten years.

It was signed. It was from two years. It was 10 years and 11. So we got until 21. We're good. Our children will be covering the NFL at that point. None of us will be here. Finally, you know, you know my...

It's going to die in a car accident. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. You know my feelings about the quarterback position. So let's talk about it a little bit before we go. Some quarterbacks kind of on the bubble, if you will, with their current rosters or not necessarily because they're play, but their contract situation. So let's play a little game called a QB. stay or go i like it okay and we'll start with mark sessler who he wants to double

double down talk a little bit more brock oswald well you know we kind of we kind of stepped on that a bit but um there's not we don't have to talk about i there's not a whole lot more to say the thing that's interesting to me is if another team would come out of the woodwork if another team thought enough of him and it's weird that the browns got mentioned you're doing like political talking i'm doing like went and finger to west but like you know when you a lot of times when coaches see a guy up front live and you lose to him like the Bengals lost to Osweiler that sometimes the coaches on that side of the ball like think higher of these players and it's interesting that now Cleveland's getting linked to Osweiler because the one thing for a team that constantly has to draft high

it could fill in a blank bad team without a quarterback you've got a swing and miss on a top 10 pick on a quarterback that could be nothing two years from now that you could go get someone like Brock Osweller whose work ethic is cemented in you know that he's been Who cares about his work ethic? Well, if you've been dealing with Johnny Mansell for you two years to do. But I'm saying like just, just I know that as a Browns fan and as a Jets fan, I can relate, you just got to hit on a quarterback in the craft and have somebody from day one in your building that you get a good value for four or five years.

And then you can have a guy you can build a franchise or a Brock Osweiler. If they went after Brock Oswald, that would feel to me like a safe move. It may be safe. And this guy that may be, that John Elway may be polished up. We weren't in that building. we don't even know for sure, but maybe he'll be okay. Whereas if you believe in your personnel department and Sashi. It's a lot of things, but it's not safe.

There's no way that is safe. Sashi. Well, I think you're saying it's let. You're not swinging for the fences the same way you would with a draft pick. Mark talking pointed me. No, no, I just like I think. You've been watching too many debates. I haven't watched a second.

Nice, caucus. But if you, if you then can go spend your top five, top 10 pick on a different position, you finally are starting. get stronger other than one one area of the field over and over and over and I think that osweiler for another team to come calling would be interesting that's what i want to see malik jackson who's going to be ranked very high in our top 99 free agents list that comes out next week is it a top 98 plus michael vic it's like 101 was usually one oh one list plus michael vick yeah 101 or kennie britt he said osweiler is proven and that he's under underrated and undervalued they And I would say if he's not proven to the Broncos after four years, then that's a strong statement. You should know all you need to know about him to sign him to a deal.

Wes, who do you want to talk about? I want to talk about the Eagle situation. You know, 11 months ago when they traded for Sam Bradford, all we heard about was this guy was the perfect spread quarterback at Oklahoma. He's perfect for Chip Kelly's spread offense. Now he's going to be in a West Coast offense, which does not suit his game as well. Why pay him $20 million a year or whatever? it takes. A guy who is, Sam Bradford, since he's been in the NFL, nobody has had more excuses

made for him than Sam Bradford. He's the biggest tease in the league. Why pay him? Bring in Chase Daniel, who has been from preseason to week 17 to fill in appearances, one of the most productive backup quarterbacks in the league, is steeped in Doug Peterson's offense from being in Kansas City with him. Why not bring him in as a patch to your next quarterback? I think he might be going. I know the logic as all these quarterbacks stay put, but I think he's got to be, like any of these guys should be smelling that free agency money, and when you get close,

and he's not, I don't think he's going to get tagged. I don't think anyone thinks he's going to get tagged. Why not get to free agency at this point if you're Sam Bradford or you're whatever? Then you're negotiating with any team that wants you, instead of just the Eagles, and I don't know, maybe you find a better situation. But maybe they look at,

I'm not saying that Sam Bradford at any point last, year was a heat-seeking watch but he improved over the end of the season he came together a little bit maybe they feel like there's a reason for continuity or this was sam bradford for his entire career well if you look at his last five games well i hear you listen i would say you could argue that sam bradford has been the most overpaid NFL quarterback of our generation i mean the rookie deal that he signed and did not deliver on is unbelievable i mean i would say to marcus russell or some guys that did nothing. Kevin Cobb, Matt Flynn. Healy Smith. I mean, Kevin Cobb is mixed.

The reason why Sam Bradford, if he does make it to free agency, he will get paid, is that he is still the 20th best starter in the league or whatever it is, which is an upgrade for teams like the Brown. But it's not an upgrade for the Eagles. The Browns are a team that I think would absolutely be interested. Oh, God, I hope not. But try to trade for him every year. Yeah, with not this regime, but you're right.

But if you're the Eagles, then, you've got to go replace the 20th best starter with what. That's why I think they may stick with him. Greg, on June 28th, 2013, number 35 on our Making the Leap list, Chiefs quarterback, Chase Daniel. So maybe it's all coming around. I have been years ahead on the Chase Daniel. Literally almost three years ahead. If you read it, it was a little bit of a bit, almost. We were having fun.

But you know what? He's come in when he's played in the preseason. He's looked great. When he's played in the regular season, he's looked good. You know, when you're behind the Hall of Fame, like Alex. Smith, you're just not going to get a chance. Here's a, I'm going to pull a line from your copy. Daniel might not be another Drew Reeves,

but it's not so crazy to imagine him as another Ryan Fitzpatrick. So you even foresaw the 30 touchdowns with the Jets. No, that's a good line. Well, that's why he's our mentor. The coaching link makes sense. I just say it he could be a replacement level starter. That's what I still. Which is what Sam Bramford is.

Right. Well, speak for yourself. Greg is just my boss, nothing more. certainly not a friend to you certainly not i didn't say you weren't a friend if i said that that's not i didn't mean that you weren't a friend why are we back here different levels of no he's important friendship he thinks he's your friend he just doesn't think you're his i i felt blindsided by that comment i think i'm i think it's pretty clear area host surprised when uh fellow podcast member that he blasted for 10 minutes in different bits uh comes back at

longest headline ever. Keep my name out of your mouth. It hurt, Greg. That's all. I will bring up Brian Hoyer. And I will bring up Brian Hoyer because he authored one of the worst performances in the history of the NFL playoffs in January through four interceptions, lost a fumble. The Texans got beat 30 to nothing in their building.

Mentioned in the same breath with Ryan Lindley. Yeah, it doesn't get much more grim than being mentioned with Ryan Lindley. in terms of quarterback performances. And what makes his situation interesting, he's under contract for next year with the Texans. But Bob McNair, the owner of the Texans, Bobby. Bobby Mick, uh,

came out and basically put the entire, uh, front office and coaching staff, uh, on the old hot butt seat by saying, I need a franchise quarterback. So the owner has now stepped in and basically said Brian Hoyer is not the answer. Go get somebody else. Problem is, you know, they won the AFC South.

I think they have the 22nd pick. It's not, as we know, because we're talking about guys like Brock Osweiler and San Bradford getting a lot of money. There's not a great free agency class at quarterback. So it's like, what do the Texans do to make their owner happy? I would think that that Hoyer stays, but at the same time, I don't know if that means he's staying as a starting quarterback. They've got to figure something out because the owner ain't happy.

What if Bob McNair brings in Bob Griffin? or sam bramford i'm surprised uh by the level of interest or excitement that uh rg three is already inspiring like well you know uh lekeisha on her news desk she's a big rams fan i don't know if this is representative all rams fans but she was like yes sign me up for rg three give it a shot that sounds exciting well you can't blame her with what she's been watching a quarterback i don't know plus it would i knew it would kind of complete the the redskins banging in a way in the sense that not only did you get all the draft picks and all that glory from that trade in 2012 now you got the player as well that would be

ever became anything close to the old rg3 uh you know they would never ever fire jeff fisher number one he will he would live forever unless needs hair would turn an even greater golden shade of yellow if you can pair rg3 with an offensive mind like jeff fisher i mean you just sit back and you just crack a beer and you watch. Welcome to L.A. I do think there's, I don't know, I've ripped on RG3 quite a bit the last couple of years because he had never developed into a real NFL quarterback, but when you watch his rookie tape, it's not hard to convince yourself that a good coach or a creative coach can do something

with him. You're up, Greg. Same thing when you look at Colin Kaepernick. It's crazy to think how far he's fallen. It wasn't quite as dramatic. as RG3, but it was close. I mean, the last year and a half of tape that he's put up is pretty bad, and yet, I don't know, the tools are there.

You would think the right coach should be Chip Kelly. And so if we're talking about stay or go, I think he'd stay in San Francisco, because I think Chip Kelly was hired in part on a sell job that he could turn around Colin Kaepernick's career, that you don't need to find another quarterback necessarily. I can make these guys that are there. Kaepernick and Gabbert look pretty good.

That's what I read it. I thought that Kelly hiring and was controversial to bring him back after the way it ended in Philly, but that they had what seemed like three or four years ago, one of the top three young quarterbacks in the league, and it got to a point where he's being benched for Blaine Gabbard. I think they're probably, you know, in the top of that front office, people that still think maybe Kaepernick can get back. He's not even 30 years old.

So bring in the genius and see. if you could fix him. Well, the flip side is you're the Niners and you haven't had a lot of top 10 picks. You've got a number seven pick. You could, Chip Kelly for the first time in his career could use the draft to pick the quarterback he wants. That said, if the Kaepernick and Kelly thing don't match, what quarterback does match with Chip Kelly? Like if he decides, I can't, this guy's not for me, then I'm baffled at this point what a Chip Kelly quarterback is because you're giving up on everything you say you didn't have in Philadelphia post healthy Michael Vick.

I'm still waiting for Kaepernick to stay and for Blaine Gebert to beat him out. Well, Kelly praised Gabbert quite a bit. Ever is exceptionally athletic. Well, maybe he'll end up as the starting quarterback for the Jets under General Manager Manish Meta bringing him to New York.

Manish flying that Capric to Jets flag very hard, but I haven't heard anything else connecting the Jets to Kaepernick. I think the Niners keep him. But we'll say. Wes, all in, I'm Blaine Gabbardt, too. I'm not all in. I just, you know, Greg said Kaepernick has all the tools.

I don't think he has accuracy or touch. It's fair. He definitely does not have touch. That's a pretty important tool for an NFL quarterback. I got to go watch some of those last, the 49ers kind of fell off the radar there, but Gabbard's last few weeks. I think if those were his first few weeks, people would not have been as excited about him. So there you have it.

another episode of the around the NFL podcast is in the books. We will be back on Thursday, correct? It depends if Greg gets through the Niners tape by then. He's got a lot to watch. That's true. Or through the freeway traffic. Thursday. Or if he has another podcast to do.

Yeah, I might have a few others. Now talks with the R&B podcast, R&B and G. Well, all right, since I'll be more supportive. It is Thursday. And then next week, by the way, we have a Monday show. And then we're all going to Indianapolis. And we're going to tape a nice video show from the NFL scouting combine next Thursday. So our listeners hopefully will like that.

And Greg, now this stage is for your other podcast. Do you think in your mind will be back? I know you did the final episode. You don't have to do this. This is silly. This is very important. It's very important to be supportive of each other. So will the RJV?

be back. I don't know. I hope it's back in some form. Who knows? The NFL. Some form. Very mysterious. Jeslick wants to get paid.

Yes, it's not the only one. Yeah, he has not been, you know, secret about his unhappiness. Just tell the NFL to take it out of my pittance that I get on a... See what the NFL likes to do. What if you gave Wes's salary to Juselnick, would that do it? Seriously. I think someone already gave it to someone else. Yeah, I think that would be more.

More than enough. Yeah. I think that would be more than enough for one show a week. That would be pretty easy money. It's amazing how supportive I am of your other show, Greg. All right. That's it. This is Dan Hansa signing off for Quiet Storm.

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