NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Would You Rather?

Episode Date: May 14, 2025

Gregg Rosenthal is joined by Colleen Wolfe and Jourdan Rodrigue of The Athletic for round of NFL inspired would you rather. First, the trio talks about the handful of games that have been announced including the 2025 kickoff game between the Eagles and Cowboys (03:45) and the international slate of games (07:55), react to the latest development between Trey Hendrickson and the Bengals (16:36), and talk about the Cowboys' belief in George Pickens (21:50).  After the break, gives you scenarios where you decide if you would rather have Joe Burrow or Lamar Jackson (29:59), have one position group or another (40:20), be a Giants fan or Cowboys fan for the next ten years (42:15) and more! Note: time codes approximate. NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Hey, everybody. Daniel Jeremiah here. And I'm Bucky Brooks. On Move the 6th, we take you inside the game from breaking down college prospects and NFL rookies to evaluating team building philosophies, coaching trends, and how front offices construct winning rosters. We study the tape, talk to decision makers, and give you a perspective you won't find anywhere else.

It's everything you need to understand the why behind what happens on Sunday. don't miss it listen to the move the sticks podcast on the iHeart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts welcome to nfl daily where we're getting our clock set to greenwich meantime it's gregg rosenthall i'm here in the chris wrestling podcast studio and i'm with my friends colline wolf and jordan rodrigue of the athletic there's a lot of games over there in Europe this year. That's what you just had to Google? They were announced.

Yeah, what is the time zone in London? Because there's a lot of games there, the Dublin and London. We got six games over in Europe. What's it called? Greenwich Mean Time. Is there a Greenwich Nice Time? Mm.

British summertime is another fun one. And yeah, people will point out, well, they're not all in London, yes. But for us over here, stateside, they're all at the same time, which is 6.30 a.m. Pacific time, which means Colleen will be hosting the pregame show and has to be at work when?

I think that show starts at 4 a.m. Pacific, so it's like a 2 a.m. call time. That's fun. But the Brazil game, that's 8.15 p.m. Eastern. Good call. That's different. So a little different. That is. We got games all over the place. That's the first weekend of the year.

That was actually the one game that has not been announced as of this taping. We're taping Tuesday, although it's been reported pretty widely that it's going to be Chiefs Chargers. So sometimes those reports are wrong. but usually they're right so we'll see but yes the international games were announced the kickoff game was announced we have news we're going to do a new segment a little would you rather type of segment and we also had time before the show to catch up on our own lives and have a relationship that isn't just about talking on camera which I think is nourishing Jordan yes as Colleen so eloquently put it the whole greeting each other doing the talking thing

Small talk. I said it's not my thing. I don't really do it. So, yeah, but it is great to see you guys. And you guys are friends. You guys, you were basically happy that you felt like you knocked it out before the show. So that you didn't have to after the show and have this awkward thing where Colleen is literally standing in the doorway, holding the door halfway out and thinking about. Is it safe for me to leave this conversation now? And it's like, it would have been safe the whole time. You can just go if you want to go. It's all fine. I know. We love you either way. Everything in my life is on a running clock, and I wish it wasn't that way, but I'm like, ooh, this is, this is taking time, time off the clock. I'm insulating my ceiling right now.

I got to, like, get back there and do some stuff. Your dog is probably escaped from his keeper. Yes, so we'll get this show going. Like I said, we'll do some news. We're all on running clocks if you think about it. Sure are. And it's shorter than you think. Take advantage.

Yours is the shortest. I mean, you never know. I'm just kidding. I wasn't going to say it that I did. And now I feel bad that I did. Oh, no. I mean, I'm getting good care of my body. There's a lot of randomness that comes into that.

You have a personal trainer? I mean, it's once a week. You work out. Yeah, big Raiders fan. Let's talk about the schedule. Oh, actually, let me tell Colleen the story. I just want to get your take on this. Okay.

Is this something you would have done or maybe you would have not done in this? Okay. When we interviewed New Raiders GM, John Spytech, Greg led with the fact that his personal training, Steven is a Raiders fan and so really hopes that John Spitech is a good GM. Oh, wow. That's an icebreaker. Yeah.

It was supposed to be about how important the quarterback position. It is a good icebreaker, actually. It's a way to humanize it. We're all on the same level. You're not higher than me, John Spitech. No. Or my trainer, Stephen. All right, let's get to the schedule stuff.

Greg's a big gym guy now. Not at all. That put time back on the clock for you. Cowboys Eagles is the opener. I was looking at the potential openers last week because my son asked about it and we went through the ones

that would be more exciting than others he was not excited about Cowboys Eagles and I said watch out for Cowboys Eagles because I just feel like that's something the NFL would do and they would do. Are you excited about it as an Eagles fan? Who would you want Week 1?

I love the Cowboys' Week 1. I mean, sure. It would be cool to have like a rematch, have the Chiefs come in, whatever, they already beat them once, have the lions come in because like I really did. want to see eagles lions at some point.

I thought that's what we were going to get last year, but we didn't. However, having the cowboys come into Philadelphia to open the season and have all of the banners and the pomp and circumstance of the Eagles winning the Super Bowl with the cowboys there to just watch it all and knowing that they have had not the success anywhere near that they would want in the last however many years, it feels like it's been decades and decades. But yeah, I love that matchup. That's a good point about the having to watch like one of your most hated rivals, like literally hang championship banners. Captive audience. And celebrate and all of that. You know, the Cowboys continue to fail upward in terms of the broadcasting situation because

I mean, listen, people, they are, they draw a crowd. They're on these TV spots for a reason. I understand that. But to have an opener of a team that hasn't had a winning season coming off a losing year, this is the sixth time in just in 24 years that a team has opened in this slot with despite coming off a losing season. And that's just like, okay, are we just going to keep handing them these key spots? I'll push back and just say the Cowboys are not a normal sub 500 team, not just because they're the Cowboys, but because they had 12 wins, three straight years before that they have Dack Prasket, they have people,

they know, they have Michael Parsons, they have Cid Lim. It is a compelling game, and they feel like a little bit of a different version of a Cowboys because it's a new head coach because they're coming off to bass season. It's actually, I'm fine with it.

This is not a playoff team and I'm tired of treating them like with all the fanfare of the playoff teams. That's all I'm saying here. This is a compelling game for the reasons Colleen said. And I think the Cowboys are actually going to be sneaky good this year.

But I also think that it's like, Okay, for one second, can we just stop lumping these guys together with the teams that do deserve the spotlight in a kickoff game like this? They've done a little bit of everything on these opening games. They've had division rivalries. They've had like the up and coming team, like the Texans. Sometimes they have pretty random teams. I remember the Titans were in this game one year where they were kind of almost served as food for the Patriots. It depends.

Like they've mixed it up. But the Cowboys are different to me because no other losing team in the NFL, 12 games. three years in a row before that. They have, they, okay, and what's their postseason record? Yeah. Okay, so there's a thing.

Here's a thing. Every summer, Greg, and we're creeping close to peak summer ranting about the Cowboys' hours that we always do because they're always in some sort of contract situation. Deep into the summer, we stand on the tiny table,

we advocate for trades, we do all these things. We're getting to the point where we're almost there, and I just want you to remember that you're saying now, oh, we shouldn't treat them like any, the only way that this team actually starts making decisions that make them a more competitive team overall is if they are started to be relegated on the business side

as a normal team. Relegation is what should happen here. We should be relegating teams. It's the only thing that will motivate them to maybe the Cowboys should be relegated. It's fair. I don't care about the numbers of it all. Eagles fans speaks up.

Obviously the NFL cares about the numbers of it all. I don't care about that. Mine is more like am I interested in it or not. And in this particular case, I am personally interested in it. I am. So that's all I really care. Multiple things. can be true at the same time. I'm interested in it even though I don't think it should be happening. Yeah, they're a

compelling team because... They weren't last year. Right, they weren't at all. Not at all. Even like being at training camp last year, I was like, I don't even know what to really talk about. Even before the injuries, it does feel different. Micah, all that. We got the international games announced as well

on Tuesday. And so yeah, there's more than there's ever been. I know for the listeners overseas, for our friends overseas that have been on NFL daily, like like Neil Reynolds and Will Gavin and Nat Coombs and everything. It's like it's very exciting for them to see seven international games. Like we're used to having a bunch in London and there are three in London, but the new one in Dublin and that it's being spread out all over the place.

You got the Friday night game, which we think is Chiefs Chargers, but we don't know for sure as of this taping. That's going to be the day after Cowboys Eagles. So that's fun. And then we start having one every week starting in what is that? Week 4. Steelers Vikings. Vikings are staying overseas, first team ever to do that and play in two different countries for two straight weeks. So they play the Steelers in week four in Dublin,

the Browns in week five at Tottenham Hotspur Stadium. And then we have Broncos Jets, week six. We have your Los Angeles Rams, Jordan, going and playing the Jaguars at Wembley. The Jaguars always play at Wembley, although they're only playing one London game this year. That's a little different. Then we have three weeks off. then we have the Berlin game, it's Colts Falcons, little Michael Pennix action, and then wrapping up with the first ever game in Madrid. You can kind of tell they wanted to make sure Dublin and Madrid, especially got like really good games this year. And they did. And it's commanders with Jane Daniels and the Dolphins are playing in Madrid. And all those games are, yeah,

at the same time, like I said, 630 Pacific. And except for that Friday night game, yeah, they're on NFL networks. That's got to be the most games NFL networks had in a while. I'm just throwing this out there. What game, what game stands out to you? How about your Rams going overseas? You keep saying my Rams. Well, you cover them. You cover them. Minority owner. Yeah, I own part of the team, actually, conspiracy theories say. Yeah, the, um, that's going to be fun. It's like a family game, really, because they're the coaching, the coaching staff and the front office staff. They know each other so well at this point. Obviously, James Gladstone is of the Rams, worked under less need since 2016, Liam Cohen worked under Sean McVeigh several times over the last five years.

And then also, like recently, James Gladstone has hired out of the scouting staff in Los Angeles. There's a couple of veteran scouts that are going to be joining him over there in Jacksonville to try to like build the first full year of that culture and of that department. So it's going to be sort of a reunion game. This is, it's been a while since the Rams have either A played overseas, I believe it was 2019. and then B actually were scheduled to play overseas and then everything sort of fell through but then led to one of the most historic offensive games

that sort of ushered in the modern era of the NFL. So there's always something exciting that happens at these overseas games regardless of who's playing. I'm excited about it. When I covered the Panthers, I got to go to London. I loved it. It was amazing. Can't wait to go back.

Was that the seven interceptions between the two teams game with Kyle Allen and James Oh, that was fantastic Because we were at that game We were at that game, we were at that game. Yes, I know, and I remember you guys got a really big cheer when you were doing like a lap around the...

There we go. Around the pitch. Does anything stand out to you, Colleen? I am so excited for the Dublin game and I am angling to hopefully go to that game. I know that I will probably be in studio hosting most of the coverage but if there was one game that I really wanted to go to, it would be Dublin.

I'm obviously named Colleen, which means girl in Gaelic, so come on now. And it's like I did go to Dublin when I was like in high school, so many, many years ago. I just can't imagine an NFL game there, knowing what it was like there without an NFL game. And then also it's Steelers, right? Steelers Vikings. Yep. Pittsburgh, I think, has a huge population of people that identify with Irish heritage. So I could imagine a lot of Steelers fans. I'm sure Minnesota, too, maybe.

I'm not, maybe. The Steelers are the home team. They're the ones who have staked their, the international rights. Okay, yeah. Obviously, the Roonies have an Irish background. Was an ambassador for Barack Obama back in the day to Ireland. So Pittsburgh is a huge Irish town. It's going to be a whole thing.

And it's a great match. You kind of knew they were going to give a real contender to them in week four. But I'm looking forward to all of them. That's what I'm going to say. Oh, all of them. There's like no stinkers there. They make sure to send good teams. Like every game, at least has a team with a winning record.

The Browns and the Jets play a lot of home games now over in the UK, which is interesting. Have you ever been to Berlin? I have never been to Berlin. I'd like to be. That's where my father was born. Really? You know, my grandparents, you know, they live there. Their first, what, 35, 40 years of their life.

So my brother has been a lot. he's actually a German citizen. I would love to get over there. I would love to get over to Dublin. I know, I want to go to all of them. All of these look great. I would accept anyone, your amazing Madrid. I'd love to go back, London.

I'll take what I can get. And so I'll work on that. Do you know, the Vikings are 4 and O in their international games? There we go. Are they? So it's interesting because they've got the back-to-backs here to open this slate and this, or this like chunky slate,

not the Brazil game, which I guess hasn't been announced yet. I don't know when that's going to be. Yeah, that's the day after opening. Yeah. But that's the thing is, is like, they're flying a little close to the sun. Like they have a very good track record overseas, obviously, but this is flying a little close to sun because I'll probably have to stay there for a week. Tyler Williams, who runs their sports science department over in Minnesota,

they have done a lot of really interesting things with sleep study and travel. So I am actually fascinated by that element of it. This is an experiment that the league is running to see if a team can feasibly do this and still have the output necessary to actually be competitive in one of these really physical games that they have against both of these opponents and also do the back-to-back because you just know the league wants to put teams out there more.

Right, and the Jags have played back-to-back a handful of times. And teams have, they've done the data of like if you come early or you come late and it all has kind of come out in the wash and people feel strongly one way or another, but it hasn't been as consistent. This will be different because they're going to be playing in two different countries, but obviously not far apart.

There's going to be so much travel talk, first of all. Because anytime the international games are up, all we hear about is like who's arriving when and what they decided to do and why. However, 2026, we're going to have Brisbane. So there's going to be a game in Australia, which will be, I think, so wild

because when you're talking about all the different studies and how they figure out just like the body and how you recover and all of the travel, that's significant. And it is significant, but the Vikings also get a little bit of an advantage that they have two quote-un-unquote road games that aren't really road games.

They'll have the extra rest. And it's early. Calm down. Like NBA teams sometimes arrive at like 3.30 a.m. to play the next day. To me, that's much more significant. Even when you're only traveling like two hours to a game. It is early in the season too.

So their biweek will also come early, which to some, you could look at that on paper and say, oh, they have an older roster. I don't know if it's that great that their by week is that early. But actually more and more as the season has lengthened to the extent that it has and we'll keep doing that,

especially this sort of modern wave of coaches who are planning out the structure of the regular season itself are more so resting starters in the preseason, more and more teams are doing that. And they're actually considering like November as the start of when they really need to start ramping up the workload and Thanksgiving trying to like max into. Yeah. And some teams don't take the byweek when they come back from London. And usually they get to not exactly choose, but have a preference for it.

The Jaguars haven't been taking it after they get back from London. They've just been playing the next week. Was that last year the first time that they didn't take a buy? Different teams have approached it differently the last few years now. Some teams don't really want it. Some other games were announced. We got Broncos Chiefs on Christmas. Chiefs want to play on Christmas.

That's going to be Christmas night. We got the Eagles Bears on Black Friday. They announced like the week's 16 Saturday games, which are the games that will go opposite the college football playoffs. I kind of hate that that's happening, but that's Eagles, commanders, Packers, Bears, and Primetime.

That's also, I know the day after my family will leave me for the holidays, so a very sad day at my house, but I can watch some football to feel better. All right, let's do a little news quickly before we move on to the segment. Trey Hendrickson is in the news. He is not thrilled.

We've learned this in two parts. Number one, he released a state, through Adam Schaefter on Monday, which I thought was really interesting, just pointing out that no communication has taken place between his camp and the organization after the draft, that essentially he was promised last offseason. If he was continued to play at a high level, it would happen and that coaches are aware. And then, in his words, rather than using collaboration to get us to a point to bring me home, they are no longer communicating capital they in the statement,

which makes me think he like literally. I literally wrote it. I like that. And then he also spoke on Tuesday to the media for 20 minutes about it, not being happy. He is showing up to OTAs, but he's not in a uniform. Let's listen to Trey Hendrickson. A little bit transpired between me and Zach. We've tried to keep it as less, as least amount personal as possible. But at some point in this process, it becomes personal. you know being sent 30 days before mandatory camp or however done any days it is that if I don't show up I will be fined alludes to the fact that something won't get done in that time frame and that with the lack of communication post draft made it evidently clear for my party meaning my wife my son my agent right like we're talking a small group of people that I have had to inform that this might not work out. Yeah, that is tough.

He also said he does not envision when he got a direct question about it, any scenario where he would play under his current contract. That sound is courtesy of Mike Patraglia from cincinci.com. How do the Bengals operate this way? Yeah. The annual question. Why? This is pay your players, take care of your players.

I know that they chose to do that already. but with other players in the offense, but this is your main guy. This is your most proven pass rusher. He led the league in sacks. He's a really good player. Seems like also just a really good guy on top of it. Not that that is really anything in the contract,

but still you have this talent right there and you're not communicating with him. I think that that's the worst part is the lack of communication and the fact that that's what he got is just a notice that he'll be fined 30 days. before showing up if he doesn't go. Like, that's really how they're operating with someone that should be, I don't know,

really celebrated in this franchise? I think with this in a vacuum, I can understand like the business part of it well before this escalated to this point where you're considering potentially not paying someone who you might consider to be an aging asset despite the production. You're trying to maybe get out

before he really starts to decline. You have changes all over your defense. You scapegoated your defensive coordinator. You have a new person in. That, all of that, like you can argue that as a team. To your point, Colleen, what I really cannot stand about this

is that they had this whisper network when they were trying to get these two receivers done. They had this whisper network put forth what sounded like something coming very much from the team talking about how, well, we're going to try to get, we're going to do our best to get all three done and we want to get all three done. And only after the fact you heard another whisper

network sort of subtly putting out there that Trey Hendrickson might be the odd man out if these other two receivers get paid. And it was made very clear by core players on that team, including the quarterback, that all three should be taken care of. And it's like you're almost hiding the, the mishandling of this or the lack of communication or the kind of how messy this has gotten. You're trying to hide it underneath the fact that, yes, you did do the right thing by getting both receivers done, even though you also got them done too late. A lot of things came together here. The way that the Bengals do business is one of them, which is a little old school Katie Blackburn, their executive vice president, you know, the daughter of the owner, Mike

Brown, said, it's on Hendrickson. This is previous, to be happy at some point, talking about the negotiations, should be happy at certain rates that maybe he doesn't think. he'd be happy at, which Hendrickson found frustrating. So that's where it starts to get personal. And he said on Tuesday in those comments that they're offering him shorter deals. He wants longer deals. Like, it's typical stuff. The problem that the Bengals had this offseason, this is where if you just ran things

a little differently, you could have seen coming, is that Miles Garrett, you know, got his new contract. Max Crosby, who gets a new raise every year and had many years left on his contract, you maybe couldn't have seen that one coming, got another raise. And so Hendrickson is close to their level. Not at their level, but close to their level. And so he's expecting a deal like that. Let's move on to another ownership group, which gets a lot of attention.

We've already talked about Stephen Jones and Jerry. I know. I came out like real hot at the cowboy today. Jordan would like to talk more about the cowboys. I don't understand where that came from. I'm absorbing the Connie Wolf energy right now. I agree. They get talked about way too much.

I love their draft. On like talk shows. But I like them on week one. I mean, there was other good options, too, but I would have been fine with like four or five options. They talked about George Pickens. I heard this, and I just thought it was an interesting insight into how Stephen Jones and the Cowboys view their acquisition, George Pickens.

Well, we look at him, you know, it's just two starting receivers out there. We don't necessarily even think we take him as more than a two when we were looking at the deal. Certainly, we looked at the draft. you know, in terms of scratching an edge, you know, seeing what might be available there in the draft. But here you get a guy who's got experience, who's had great success in the NFL,

obviously a tremendous competitor. He reminds a lot in our building of Des Bryant in terms of, you know, his competitiveness and, you know, what he brings to the field, his edge. I love that they actually looked at George Pickens' competitive spirit as a plus. And I get that. Like on the field,

he wants to win badly. That was courtesy, by the way, of Sirius X-M's and Mad Dog Sports Radio. And on top of that, that was Adam Shine, former NFL.com, NFL media, great.

A lot of people come through here. He's been getting a lot of good interviews lately. That quote kind of reminded me of the idea that there is a world where this is an incredible steal for George Pickens. It is so hard to get quality wide receivers and they will have to pay him

sooner than later and so that's part of it but they didn't have to give up much and if he can be a quality too which his production has been like they got him at a very cheap price this could end up being a very good move by the Joneses which you know we haven't given them a lot of products lately I think two

things one they know also that he is great television on the field like he just is he plays football not only is he like a bona fide elite receiver and has not even scratched what his ceiling potentially is when he puts everything together. But also, like, he plays football, like, he's on, like, a WWE, like, match or something. Like, he is all out. And I, and I get it. He's, he's beefed with more than his

share of people, um, especially defensive backs. Jordan Lewis had a tweet where he was like, God wanted me to be a Jaguar or something like that because George Pickens and him have like this legendary battle back and forth. But you, you haven't actually heard much. And you guys correct me if I'm wrong on this, but I haven't heard much negative about him off the field. It's all competitive attitude on the field. It's not like the fact that he's, you know, malcontent or whatever. Like, it's more so like he is going to have, he's going to be like a total wildcard on the field and make some and make some plays and also do things in between the snaps.

And so his blocking, I would guess would be the one spot. Like his blocking and like running every route full out if he's not the primary guy. There has been a little bit of that. Sure. Yeah, sure. But that's not off the field stuff. I felt was a bit unfair. I mean, and again, you guys, I just haven't seen it.

Correct me if I'm wrong. But like I felt like that was a little bit of an unfair label on him through the process. The other thing that I think that him and his agent, David Mullgetta, have done very well, by the way, who Jerry Jones is pretending he doesn't, has pretended he does not know the name of, is that the Cowboys never pay people early. So what, to your point, they're going to have to pay him at some point. Okay, yeah, but he's going to make more money than he would have made because they're going to drag this out until he needs to make more than what he could have gotten if he signed an

extension right now. Yeah, that's true. I mean, I'm just thinking about your point about him not being a problem off the field. I feel like a lot of people just assumed that he had some type of, like, issue, maybe just a huge personality deal with off the field because Pittsburgh decided to move him. But it sounds like they just both kind of needed a fresh start, which maybe that's naive of me to think. But, and D.K. is going to get the volume. Exactly. Of targets. So they know that that's probably going to cause an issue because he's never played with another number one before. So this will be the first time that George Pickens plays with a number one in Dallas. And Dak Prescott is by far the best quarterback he's ever played with.

And Dak can throw all over the field. So it will really be interesting to see how he is in this offense and what Brian Schottenheimer does with these wide receivers. And if George Pickens can sort of progress in his route tree. and I mean, either way, he's going to be able to stretch the field. Financially, yeah, the model would be Jalen Waddle or Devontas Smith, like two pluses in terms of, and you get a nice contract, but you're not the number one guy on your own team. Speaking of which, the Packers, I just thought this was a funny bit of media, and we'll take a break after that.

But like, there was a statement from Adam Schefter specifically on Monday, it was that you just wanted everyone to know that Jaden Reed's agent, who's Drew Rosenhouse, and the team met last week, and that the team assured Jaden Reed that his status as the

team's top receiver is quote, unaffected by their recent draft picks of Matthew Golden and their third round pick Savian Williams, which was so strange to me in a lot of ways, but the number one way it's strange is that Jaden Reed had a career

of like 850 yards last year. So that's weird. He was their top receiver, but it's just weird that why is this getting put out there? I actually just a little ego management that like, don't worry, Jaden Reed, but it's just weird because like it's Jaden Reed.

He really hasn't been a top receiver yet. Jaden, prove it. Like, that's all. This reminds me to make my own statement that just because my twin sister Maddie is actively trying to save our oceans and in turn our planet,

I still, my status as my mother's favorite child is unaffected by that development. Like the whole thing was because it kind of puts Jaden reared in a weird spot in that room. But yeah, I guess he must have just been unhappy behind the scenes. You think? I don't know. I don't know what that was all right. I just found it funny. This comes out because people ask about it, really.

I mean, if enough people ask about it, if not people are wondering about it behind the scenes or sending text to, Drew Rosenhaus. And it's like, I don't know. The Drew Rosenhaus stand that tweet. I'm sure Rosenhaus wanted Schefter to send it for some other. Why does Drew Rosenhaus want that out there? Like, that doesn't seem like it's good for his client. Probably because client is on him about it.

It's kind of like a way to keep your client. He's agenting. It's his job. By the way, he also cemented your free agent list status as unaffected by other free agent including the one that I worked on for The Athletic.com. Thank you. Yes. As the dominant one when he stopped you on the street. We can't be knocking the Rosenhaus.

Oh, I'm not knocking him if that's what you got to do. But like, I just wonder what Jordan Love and the offensive coordinator and Matt Lafleur is all thinking like, oh, wait, what? He has the status of our top receiver. That's just something. Wow, congratulations. It'd be one thing if he's like Megatron or something. Anyways, all right, let's take a quick break. I love this time of year.

Me too. It's my favorite. Jeremiah Owusu Coramoa is out for the season, the Browns linebacker. We mentioned that might be a possibility. So happy trails in terms of his rehab. And Asante Samuel Jr., the highest player left other than Amari Cooper

on my top 101 free agent list. Speaking of which. Visited the Saints, but he's not going to sign until July. We'll be back after this. What's up, everybody? Daniel Jeremiah here. And I'm Bucky Brooks.

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Yeah, we are. I do like this time of year. How could you not? Lower stress, you know. Summer's on the way. Go see like a mat-may of a movie every now and then. Beach days. He's trying to hit the beach, but, you know, his mother's day weekend.

She's not really a beach fan, so it's tough to. to push that agenda. But I did make it like late at night with Walker. That's fun. Shout out to all the listeners out there, by the way. We don't do this enough. Leave a five-star review on iTunes.

That would really help us out. Send us a message on there. Tell your friends, like subscribe. Subscribe on YouTube, all that stuff. We're trying to a new segment. It's just very simple. A would-you-rather segment where we just ask some questions.

it could be as big picture as you want, as little picture as you want. It could be anything you want. So open-ended. It's a little, would you rather, and we'll go around. And it's just like questions, I'd be curious what your answers to.

So I'll start. Just, would you rather have Joe Burrow or Lamar Jackson with the ball in their hands needing a touchdown to win a game that is very important to you? I could put your life on the line or something like that, but that seems like... Joe Burrow.

Joe Burrow. Just last year in those last couple games where the Bengals were fighting for everything to try and win and get into the playoffs, it just felt like, yeah, their luck was so awful at the beginning of the year. But Joe Burrow just was like trying desperately to hold everything together.

And I felt like if he could have moved a mountain in those moments, he would have. And so I'm going to trust him. Lamar gets two MVP is almost a third but he doesn't get he gets my vote because if worst case scenario he's taken off and running down the field and he's hard to catch in a scramble drill

he extends plays he can get out of bounds to manage the clock I just think like if not for a drop you know at the end of their last season which I feel I still feel my entire body shrivel up every time I think about it.

Like, if not for that, we're having... Does that happen a lot? Possibly. I have no life. Colleen, you know this. She's just up at night thinking about Mark Andrews. I'm just rocking in the fetal position in the corner, thinking about poor Mark Andrews,

who got a car accident and then ended his season that way. Yeah, I think that I pick Lamar on this. It's a tough one because my instinct is Lamar. Because he's just better. But I think it gets... The reason I... I asked it. It sort of gets to, I think, how people think of these two players. And I was wondering if that's changed enough, changed at all. Because Lamar obviously has a ton of game winning drives and a lot of

great play in the key moments. And ultimately, I think he's a significantly superior player to Joe Burrow so far at the NFL level. So I would, I would go Lamar Jackson, but there is sort of this feeling of Joe Burrow based on what he did last year. Although, you know, I will say, like, they were, They lost a lot of those close games. They did have a chance to go even further sometimes, but he did everything that a mortal could be asked to do. And that's why it isn't interesting. Even as much as I love Lamar, it's not a slam dunk question.

Well, they're both so good. I would like to know the details of the game and the situation. I said you need a touchdown. I need to know the defense that they're facing. It's like two and a half minutes. Like who's healthy, who's not? Are they playing like a show coverage? Are we inside?

How much time? How many timeouts does either side have? I love Joe Burrow. He is on track to be a Hall of Famer. He has basically been a top five quarterback since he entered the league, which kind of makes you a Hall of Famer. So this is no slight to him.

He's just playing next to, I think Lamar, Allen, and Mahomes are just at slightly there. And I think that Super Bowl run he had where the defense did most of the work is doing a lot of work for him. All right, let's go to the next question. Let's go, Jordan. Oh. Okay. Would you guys rather, this is a personal, personal preference, okay? Would you rather travel, if you were a player, travel for back-to-back West Coast to East Coast trips without staying east in between or travel for back-to-back international games while staying in between?

International while staying in between. I want to stay in the same place for as long as possible. I'm not trying to get on a bunch of different planes and do that whole thing because you know what is doing? it's taking time off the clock. So I would like to stay in... Off the life clock. Off the life clock. And I got to keep every minute I have. So I'm staying in whatever international locale I'm playing in. I also think the week away where you have that Monday, Tuesday in London in this case.

Yeah. Like that's something that not a lot of teams get where you're already adjusted. You don't have as much work to do. And you're with your team. that seems great. I know these are family men. Now, they could bring their families over. Some might do that.

But it also might not be like the worst thing to have a week where you're just focused on work and camaraderie. That sounds good to me. And the whole like, oh, they got to adjust to the time. So it's like, let's calm down. They play one game. Like, teams in lots of sports are adjusting to this sort of stuff

all the time where they have to play multiple games. Like baseball teams like, tennis players are like arriving from China and playing like the next morning. Then they play until three in the morning because tennis is broken and then play like the next. It's like they do it and like people aren't crying for it. I would just say real quick that there are probably less distractions when you're traveling than when you're at home. So I feel like you would probably be able to be more dialed in if you just stay there.

I would say two things. One on your tennis point, these football players are having like active car crashes 200 times a game. So a little bit different, getting on a plane and going to another location. Sure, but the tennis players are also paying for their trip. So they're not, depending on who they are, they're not in the front of the plane. It's a lot going on. They're not on a dreamliner. Yeah.

Yes. A lot of teams still do take commercial flights where only the captains have seats that actually are the pods. But to that point, I never actually realize how much of a toll those long east to West Coast flights take. I like the idea of staying out for multiple weeks because until a couple years ago when there was a bunch of players, that got injured in the Rams Lions game and they were stuck on the tarmac overnight and they could not deplane and they got stuck in the everything was frozen

and they couldn't take off and they couldn't deplane and so they're sitting there with like one of the guys had like a torn ACL and a torn MCL and is in a tiny airplane seat sitting there overnight like they're all just there's two bathrooms like there it just was and I'm like okay the potential for a worst case in between two long trips is too much for me to get the other way.

Every once in a while, the East Coast teams do stay out here just and do get all the benefits that I was just saying. Not only do you not have to get on a long plane, the Patriots stayed out here for a couple weekends when they did the Los Angeles trip. They do that sometimes. Colleen, you're up next. All right. Would you rather, gang, spend the rest of your life in an NFL training camp simulation

locked in St. Joseph, Missouri during a July heatwave in full pads or lose the ability to ask questions in perpetuity leading to a life of declarative statements that exclusively end in exclamation points both verbalized and written. Wow. Wow.

Well, as a woman, I couldn't get away with the latter. So I'll pick the former and my skin will look great. It would be tough to not be able to ask. questions. You can only speak exclamation points. I mean, that's with your family. You do that anyway, Greg. Maybe on this show. Written and verbally. With your family, with your friends. You'd be known as a person with a total lack of curiosity for the rest of

your life. I think I'd have to go to the training camp. What were the details of the training camp? The rest of your life. How long am I going to live? In we're back to the clock again. Yes. In an NFL training camp simulation, locked in St. Joseph Missouri, where the Chiefs have their training camp during a July heat wave in full pads. Wait, but that's the entire rest of your life? That's the entire rest of your life.

Well, then I guess the other way, because you're like, you're losing your family and like your entire way of life that, the other way. It sucks, but I thought you just had to go there for training camp. No, no, no. Or like, do it. Your life is now just a training camp. Right. Or even you, if you had made it, you just go there every year for training camp to do that.

Oh, yeah. that's that's more of a tough one even then that's close i'd get that's like two and a half detox right i'd get you know free lodging i'd get you know that's fair look i mean glass half full over here people the beds are bad now if you could live forever and do that oh wow i might give up the family for that yeah living forever at an NFL training camp of course Greg would give up his family for that i'm just saying we're learning a lot about people at some point as we sort of alluded to at the time, at some point it just ends and that's just it.

This is such a dark show. That's compelling and scary. So I just want to extend that. I want to be that guy that lives for over. How is you having to speak in declarative statements in perpetuity any different from how you are now? That's a tough one. Exclamation point.

That was what I was going to say on this show. It wouldn't be that different. All right. You're up next, Jordan. We love you, Craig. Okay, this is a little game of Would You Rather that I like to call position extravaganza or whatever Chris Bobona has decided to call it, which is probably better than whatever I decided to call it.

Okay, this I'm going to go, this is rapid fire. You can't think about this. Oh, my God. You just have to say the first thing that comes into your head and both of you can go at the same time for chaos. Okay, would you rather have the Eagles offensive line or the Eagles run game? You can't have both. Offensive line.

Offensive line. Have the Bucks Offensive Line or the Bengals Wide Receivers Room? Bengals Wide Receivers. Have the Broncos Secondary or the Lions running backs? Broncos Secondary. Broncos Secondary. Have the Rams Defensive Line or the Bucs Receivers Room. Bucks Receivers Room.

Rams defensive line. Okay, fun game. I like that. Like games within a game. I like to gamify everything. Can you know this? We are hitting as many different. I like that.

Oh, Chris, I like what you called it. Jordans, would you rather extravaganza. That was nice. Yes. You can check out the graphic stylings from Chris Vivona on the YouTube channel on the graphics. The toughest one was Bronco Secondary or the Lions Running Back. I know. To me, secondaries, they kind of, just when you think they're the group, they usually don't stay that way for long.

It's tough to like bet on them year after year after year. And we also haven't seen this version. But they matter more. But Jamir Gibbs is really cool. That's a tough one. I also went young versus getting older, Rams DL or Bucks receivers. my one that was really hard for me to think about was Bucks O' line or Bengals receivers.

I like that one. Yeah, that's a Sophie's choice right there. A lot of those position groups, and you did not know this to be the case, were mentioned in the top 20 position groups in the NFL episode that Nick Shook and I put up just this morning. No way.

And so many, just a coincidence there. Look at that. The synergy. Been spending a lot of time with you, Greg. We're number one. All right. I will ask you guys this question. You wake up tomorrow morning.

Your mind has been completely wiped in terms of your football fandom. And you will just wake up as a fan of either the Cowboys or the Giants for the next 10 years. And Colleen, you're not aware at the time you wake up that you were once in Eagles fans. This is ridiculous.

But you are aware now in this scenario that you are an Eagles fan. So you have to make that the same. decision. You get the Cowboys or the Giants for the next 10 years. And it's not like half-hearted. You're going to be wearing the starter jackets. You're going to be like on Reddit. You're in it. And you don't have a choice of that, but you have to choose one of those two. Okay. Well, this is a nightmare. And maybe my clock will end before I need to choose a team. This was directed at you specifically. My life clock. All right. Well, if I have to choose between the Cowboys and the Giants,

It's pretty simple. It's never going to be the Cowboys. So by default, it's the Giants. Okay. I'm actually, I'm going to pick the Cowboys because I feel like that would mean I would have so many new friends who are all just like completely oblivious to the realities of life. And from all over the place. And from everywhere.

Everywhere I go, I would find a friend. I would have so many friends. The one thing I, you know, you have to give Cowboys fans credit for. is it's not like it's been fun the last 30 years. If you're a 40-year-old Cowboys fan, it sucked. Yeah. Like, Jordan, if you could say that they're jumping on and I get it, I get it. I will only be 43 in 10 years.

So I won't even have known. That's true. Actually, you're the perfect age for it because you wouldn't even have been like a really small child. Oblivious to the cruelty of the world. Jordan, if you're looking for more friends, just come out with me. You don't have to be a Cowboys fan. Deal. Uh, wrap us up, Colleen.

Okay. Um, oh, I have two more, but I'll just do one more. The other, it's, they're both quick. Okay. Would you rather have Scott Hansen narrate your entire life like a red zone fever dream? Hmm. Or spend the rest of your days waiting for Aaron Rogers to make every single decision for your life. Now, is Scott Hansen narrating the life in your head?

Where is it airing? No, no. it's it's everywhere it's like you're walking and he is just like a voice behind you he's omnipresent essentially a built-in friend can other people hear him narrating your life yes oh i love you're at the grocery store you're at work she's reaching for the broccoli oh she's going floor it's not full head wow not now scott i like that except if i'm falling asleep and i'm trying to fall asleep does he narrate like she's closing her eyes this she's about to get across the And maybe he counts sheep, though, for you.

Oh, yeah, I could do that. I could do that. I don't have a Hansen impression. And there's Xanax, too. I mean, I don't like that. You said you like that. This is kind of like Colleen's, you know, Cowboys Giants decision for me. Both sound horrible.

But having Aaron Rogers involved in my life in a meaningful, in a very meaningful way for the rest of it. Yeah. To make every decision for you. You're not going to get worse than that. So I'm definitely taking Scott. Hansen. I like the idea of having like a built-in Scott Hansen just like around, you know. I'd like it to make like one two-minute social video that you post once. It would get old by that evening. Like it would get so old. Not for me. I listen to sleep podcast. I like to have noise going the

entire time, you know. All right. I have one more bonus one. Okay. Real quick. Would you rather take 20 surprise hits from Miles Garrett that could come at any moment over the next five years. Or, in pads or like a punch? No, no pads. Just at any moment, he's going to pop up over the next five years. 20 times it's going to happen. It could happen anywhere. It could happen.

Maybe you go to church. It could happen at church when you're in line for community. Scott Hans and narrate it. Scott Hand, maybe depending on where you are in these different simulations. Okay, that's the one or. So 20 surprise hits from Miles Garrett anytime over the next five years or have five cats with you at all times over the next 20 years at all times. The cats sounds fun.

I don't like cats. They have to be with you everywhere. I'd take them, Miles Garrett. Normalize judging the people who say only dogs are cool or only cats are cool. They're both cool. I mean, they're just following me. I didn't say cats are uncool. You said you don't like them.

Yeah, that's a very different statement than cats are objectively cool. Cats are objectively cool animals. I like cats. I don't personally like cats and I'm allergic. That's a problem. I'll go ahead and take the 20 hits at random moments from Miles Garrett. Anytime. He could come crashing through this wall. Spice up my life. Greg?

I much, you know, the cat's thing is fine. That guy. Especially compared to Garrett because I think the worst thing that could happen. Talk about a car crash. Is it not just, not the hit itself. If you knew when the hits were coming, it's a conversation of which, I mean, the cat's thing seems fine. But that's one thing, but not knowing living your entire life that at any moment. At any moment.

And you're counting. and you want to feel some sort of relief that seven months in, you've gotten your third hit. And it's like, no, I'm only at three. See, I think I would love to exist on that type of adrenaline drip. What? Like, I think I would like to, like, 17 bags of groceries up the steps and all of a sudden, here he comes. But I wouldn't, but I wouldn't know.

It would just happen. It's like a jack in the box. That's the thing. It's like, I kind of like the adrenaline spike, just constant drip the rest of your life. That? Probably a short one. It's a really good way to look. at it. I'm with you there. If we're talking about, you know, the end of our lives and

something, that is something to keep you in the moment. Like, you will be appreciating. You live in the present. Can you imagine? Sure. That happens. Like a date and you're sitting in the chair. That's what I wasn't imagining. Boom. You're just, you're in a job interview, walking into a job interview. Okay, I would get the job, though, for pity, pity vote. It's definitely giving Terry Tate office linebacker vibes a commercial that you may or may not remember. starring Terry Cruz, I believe, from a long time ago. We're going to wrap up. We're in the off season.

And if you have anything that has popped into your pop culture life, we'll keep this quick, this summer that you just want to recommend to people. Back on my old podcast, the Jesselnik and Rosenthal, Banny Project, we called it a recommendation station. Damn, I missed that. I miss that in my life. And we're here weekly. So just one.

Maybe we'll do it weekly. Maybe not. I'm going to throw out a movie just in case there's anyone out there that is my speed. I feel like this movie that just came out, Pavements, was made specifically for me, and it left me leaving the theater on a total high. Now, you maybe have to like the movie pavement or, I mean, the band pavement. It's kind of a documentary about them, but not really. It's hard to describe, but it's a fictionalized documentary essentially about them.

but if you're at all interested in 90s nostalgia and really creative, like, filmmaking. That's cool. Mina Kimes hosted this talk after the show with one of the members of the band and some of the actors in it, like Jason Schwartzman is in it. It's really great.

I just have to say, like, I've never felt like a... If this at all sounds interesting to you, please go see it in the theater. You should go see pavements if it's in your city. Nice. 10 out of 10 from Greg. 10 out of 10.

That's a high record. thinking about it nonstop ever since. I was like, I cannot believe this was... Well, now you'll be thinking about whether you want to get hit by Miles Garrett or be followed by cats. That's true. It's a little balance there. I have some music. Yeah, go for it. Since you're talking about a band, I have three songs that I just keep listening to. So I'll let you guys know what they are. The name of the one song is Grow. And it's by Kidnap and Leo Stenard. It's the Kidnap Dub version. Very specific. But, Now I will look these up at. Check it out. Check it out.

Is this a song that plays inside Kema's head? I don't know. Or's that Metallica? That's like ACDC. Hell's bells. And then totally different vibe. It's more of like a summer. We're on the beach. Stick figure, all for you. Love that one. And then also Night Drive. I don't know if you guys know that song at all. Night Drive by John Splitoff. Wow. That's a great one. That's a good song. I'm going to look them all up. Yeah. So you're welcome. I, first of all, most of the world is,

going to see this movie. So this is not anything revelatory or anything like that. But go see sinners. It was one of the best movies I've ever seen. Really? In probably the last 10 years, if not life. Like it was one of my best. It's a masterpiece. It's a masterpiece. Yeah. And then a shout to our friends at Iheart. I've recently gotten into the Las Culturistas podcast. Specifically, they do this segment where they rant about something for a minute called I Don't Think So Honey. And that ties into one of the most pure, wonderful, pop culture moments I've seen in a long time, which is this artist who I don't really know much about, but I know the one song that they do, it's role model. It's called Sally. And there's a bridge

where he brings out different people to play the part of Sally during this bridge. And it's like very wholesome and pure and everyone dances around and all this stuff. And he was on a late night show and he brought out Bowen Yang to play Sally. And it was like pure joy. So everyone go watch that clip. And it'll get stuck in your head. I don't, like I said, I don't really anything about the artist. But that little moment of pure, like, it just was so, it was just wonderful. You know, it was wonderful. And I love that segment in the show that they do. And what's the name of the show? Last Culturistas. Come on. That's one of the biggest podcasts out there. You guys are the sinners of, of podcasts. What a delightful random offseason show. I love it.

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