NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - You Blew It and Wess's 2018 Draft Class Rankings

Episode Date: November 7, 2018

In a room filled with heroes – Dan Hanzus, Gregg Rosenthal, Marc Sessler and Chris Wesseling – react to Dez Bryant signing with the Saints (4:00), Bruce Irvin heading to Atlanta (6:45), will Sam Darnold benefit from not playing Sunday (8:50), Troy Aikman puts his ‘Boys on blast (16:10), and STOP using Marc’s nickname, Trey Flowers (24:30)! After, the heroes boot up B.R.I.D.G.E.T. to judge past cold takes in ‘You Blew It’, including – Andrew Luck is NOT Chad Pennington (31:30) and maybe, possibly, potentially there was no reason to worry over the Steelers (35:10). The heroes wrap it up with Wess’s 2018 Top Rookie Draft Classes (44:00) and TNF preview (50:55)!Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comNFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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of high school i was in charge of getting the brie give us something what do you do at french club one time we played basketball remember that that's what happens when i'm president of the i mean in fairness like france definitely is a was a rising basketball power are a little underrated. This was before Tony Parker was on the radar. What was the male-female ratio in this class? That might have been a tractor being there for you. It's 100% male because it was an all-male Catholic school.

It makes even less sense to me. If your top memory of French class is basketball, were you really conflicted when Vince Carter dunked over Frederick Weiss? No, Frederick Weiss was a stiff from the get-go, and the Knicks should have never drafted it. all right welcome to the wednesday edition of the around the nfl podcast this is what we do four days of content and five that's good last week was five out of five this week four out of five are we slacking no it's just the way the week broke down very comfortable with four out of five

a lot to get to this is a this is a packed show and uh we have a game preview of course Thursday night football the panthers and steelers i mean Thursday night football is in a bit of a slump and could use a good competitive game and I think we're going to get it so we're going to talk about that game also west wrote a banger top rookie classes uh we also have a kind of a look back segment earlier in the season some of the heroes had takes and not all of them pay off some of them kind of blow up in your face so we're going to do a segment that we call you blew it so we got a good show coming up but before we get to anything else the news Yeah, number two keeps giving me problems

I think we should just shut the whole operation down Yeah, alright Erica squeezes in an Erica soundbite A stunning development That segment was a big hit in the Sessler household That was a good video I don't think they understand that we're acting That was our cold open for our Twitter show

Which is available via links on our Twitter page. And if you're not watching the Twitter show, watch it. What? The Around the NFL Twitter show? Yeah. Around the NFL podcast Twitter show. No.

Oh, no? I've been saying it wrong and tweeting it wrong since the beginning of the season. Yes. Just Twitter show. What were you saying, Greg? Just like where you find it. Other than our Twitter page, I don't really know. It's pinned on my profile page.

Somebody tweeted at me that they went to both Wes and Greg looking for the link, only to see it not pinned on either of their page. I had it pinned until last week when I pinned to my middle. season all pro team, and I make no apologies for that. There you go. That's a man. He says, I'm putting my work, my written word, ahead of the Twitter show. Well, it's like, you know, the Twitter show is playing about 85% of the snaps on my pin.

I just had to mix in a rookie. And also maybe a Twitter person, you know, scroll down seven or eight inches and it will be there. Thank you. Let's start with Des Brian, who is back in the game, the veteran wide receiver, who has spent his entire career with the Cowboys, now joined. the New Orleans Saints. A one-year contract is coming after a workout on Tuesday. The Saints had an extra roster spot when they sent Ted Gint to I.R.

And they have not had a lot of production beyond Mike Thomas. So here comes Des Bryant finally, finally gets a job. Wes, it was just on Sunday where we were kind of talking about, wow, this is really not going to happen. Des isn't going to get work, but it happened eventually. It just took till November. Yeah, this will be guaranteed to live. lead total access, the whole football watching community will be up in arms about Des Bryant, who will be like the fourth or fifth option in the passing game for the Saints.

They can hope that he can be maybe a Anquan Bolden-like player who is like a boxout specialist can't really separate from coverage. Maybe he gives them something after the catch and is a red zone weapon. But I don't, like this offense runs through Michael Thomas and Alvin Kamara, and that's going to continue to be the case. We were talking about him on Sunday because of video that came out of him running, running drills and stuff, and he looked remarkably slow to the point where I was wondering if he was wearing ankle weights or something. Well, that was a while ago, and the reports are that the saints still want them to lose about five pounds, so it sounded like they're not thrilled.

But I think it's a good signing because they're really thin. One of maybe the thinnest teams in the NFL at wide receiver, I'm assuming it's not going to, we haven't heard the financial details, but I think it's safe to say it'll be very small with some incentives built in. he catches 250 to 300 yards the rest of the way and makes a handful of key first downs for them and is playing, I don't know, getting 30, 40 yards a week playing 30, 40 snaps. It's like they could use someone because Cam Meredith, that's been a bust. It's not happening.

I don't know what the reason is, whether it's health or he can't pick up the offense. He's just not playing. And their only other guy is Trey Kwan Smith, who's a mid-round rookie who has potential. But they don't have another wide receiver with more than 215 yards this year, which is kind of outrageous. Maybe we shouldn't have all slammed the Chicago Bears for allowing Kim Meredith to go when he was coming on an ACL injury. That was like the off-season analysis. The Bears really messed up there. Big winner, I think it's Jane Slater of NFL Network, who goes from a relatively close relationship with Des Bryant in Dallas to now circulating between Dallas.

And she's being put on the New Orleans Saints beat regularly there. And can you imagine two cities that you'd rather float between more for, you know, you've got two or three nights out when you go to do these assignments? She's tweeting about friendly conversation She's having in New Orleans with her Uber driver Who knows what else she's getting up to She seems to like the nightlife So big winner, Jane Slater It's getting to the point where Jane comes up enough

On this podcast where we better have her on Or it just starts to get weird That feels right I think it's gotten it just got weird In other news Veteran Defense men Bruce Irvin Cut Loose by the Raiders Recently signed a one year

Deal on one and a half million With the Falcons and Earl Irvin decided, hey, I want to reunite with Dan Quinn, where I had my good formative years in Seattle. He had offers out there, Greg, from the Patriots and the Steelers. So Irvin, despite John Gruden deciding to move on, had a market out there. And now he joins the Falcons team where it seems like he's a good fit. He's a great fit. I mean, it's kind of, it's very much like the Des Bryant signing, where at this point of the season,

if you can sign anyone that even plays 30 snaps a game for you and just gives you some help instead of having to play some random rookies or just a, you know, Jags basically off the street. Irvin played some decent games early in the season. He lost playing time, but it's worth a shot for them. It's another reminder that it's two teams. Atlanta are absolutely refusing to give up on their season. Why should they?

And Bruce Irvin, to me, is when he was in free agency before he went to the Raiders, we all had him pegged for the Falcons as a perfect fit for them because of scheme and because of his relationship with Dan Quinn. Now, now it happens finally. A little few years too late, maybe, but we'll see. There's been a tight race over the past few weeks between the fan bases of the Raiders and Browns

to see which players mailing it in the most this season between Bruce Irvin and Jamie Collins. Bruce Irvin's like had Raiders fans in an uproar over his effort level. It seemed like at some point he was starting to check out. And it sounded like they tried to trade him. Maybe he knew it. He wanted out of there. And it worked.

He just, he's going, I believe he's from Atlanta. He's playing for a team that's fighting for a playoff spot. he'll probably have a decent role for them because they're not deep at that position at all. Actually, that is not a position of need. I mean, if Vick Beasley plays, he's supposed to be good, but they've got Jack. But he's not good. Jack Crawford's playing well. Tack McKinley's playing well.

They've got Brooks Reed there. This is not a team that was like desperate for edge rushers. Injury news and bad news for my New York Jets. Sam Darnold coming off the worst game of his career is now on the shelf, it appears. The rookie quarterback watched practice on Wednesday with a walking boot on his right foot. And according to Mnich Mehta of the New York Daily News, sources say he has a significant foot sprain, won't play against the bills on Sunday. And the Jets hope he'll be back after their week 11 by to face the Patriots.

But according to Meta, they are not overly optimistic that that's the case. He got beat up a little bit during that Dolphins game, but it didn't seem like he suffered any season. serious injury during the game, but this just is the cherry on top, which has been on the worst stretch of the season for the Jets. Now Donald goes to the bench. Mark, is there a case to be made? It's not the worst thing that Donald gets a little bit of a blow here or reset button? I think it's a strong case for that because, look, if you're a Jets fan and you can tell me if you disagree, you don't really want this team to surge down the stretch. You want to get out of this year

with Sam Darnold having a few more starts and hopefully quality ones, not suffer an injury that sets his offseason back by even an inch, and the coaching staff wiped away. And so they play the bills twice. They have two games against the Patriots, the Packers, Texans, and Titans. That's a tough schedule. And I have no problem with Darnold getting with the by week ahead an extra week of rest to get completely healthy. There's no reason he should be on the field with this Jets team unless he's 100%. Problem is it doesn't sound like one week's going to make him completely healthy. They're fine. They have Josh McCown. I mean, I don't know what the goal is with the Jets right now, but you don't need to push Donald onto the field.

He was limping around at the end of that game. He also, I think, owned up to his play on Monday, didn't make any excuses. No one even really knew he was that injured, but it sounds like a significant foot sprain. He said he was playing stupid football. Everyone needs to know I need to play better. So I think some time off could help. And they have a better chance to win with Josh McCann, which I think it hasn't been talked about a lot. But now here we're at midseason, and I feel like that's safe to say that the Jets would be

a better team this year or have a better chance to win on a weekly basis with McCown playing when you agree don't you think they have a better chance to beat the bills now uh yeah you could say that but that's more that getting back to that Parcell's progress stopper thing I see oh you would never want to play him I'm not questioning that decision I would they have maybe another winner too maybe maybe maybe maybe a mental break isn't the worst thing especially the way this offensive lines playing the center with his snaps last week was a bit of a joke he Donald got hit quite a bit in that game and the receivers aren't playing well that ground attack isn't consistent better to have a veteran in there for a few weeks while it gets sorted out and he's playing for a staff that's not going to be there

right right it's become an awkward situation a staff that's done nothing to help him uh let's uh move on talk about the detroit lines who make a change in their backfield ameer abdula who speaking of the jets and todd bolz i remember once upon a time about three or four years ago uh after a preseason game todd bolz made a barry sanders comparison to ameer abdula and we waited and we waited and the lines waited and just never happened and he's barely been on the field this year so the lions finally decided to make a move they cut ties with the former second round pick 54th overall he went they fill the slot with bruce uh with zach zner uh who was uh the old a a z Z swap by the way mark i mean whenever you can pull off a deal of that nature you must exactly and uh also in other

lines news bruce ellington uh signed by the team So he gives him a little bit more depth with Golden Tate out the door. Amir Abdullah, one other memory is that the Cardinals were going to draft him and settled for David Johnson instead when the Lions picked Abdullah ahead of him. But he's developed the biggest fumbling problem in the league, I think, and that was the knock on him coming into the league that his small hands led to fumbling. And you think about the teams that need running backs, the Patriots jump out. I can't imagine Bill Belichick going for a fumbler.

Yeah, I mean, Amir Abdullah is one of those guys that has been mentioned in an incredible amount of times on this podcast with a total lack of production. He has the same amount of rushing yards since he was drafted as Buck Allen, who was that year's draft in Terrence West. Like that's, he just hasn't, he's shown potential, but he hasn't played that much. And the Lions, who all we talked about all off season, are they going to have a running game or not? It's like, their running game is fine. They made a great draft pick. hasn't made their team much better. They're not really winning games,

but they're running games good. Carry on Johnson's a man. In other news, the Washington Redskins have been destroyed by injuries. Guards Brandon Shurf and Sean LaVow. LaVow both done for the year, torn pectoral for Shurf and LaVow, torn ACL. Paul Richardson also out for the year,

the wide receiver as an ACR. joint injuries. Wes, how do you survive this if you're the Redskins? On top of that, left tackle Trent Williams, by far their best offensive linemen and one of the best left tackles in the league is out a couple more weeks with thumb surgery. Their right tackle Morgan Moses is going to try to play

through an MCL sprain. Every November, we see attrition take out a contender or two. This reminds me of the Patriots three years ago when they lost in a span of two weeks. Julian Edelman, Dionne Lerner, Louis, Danny Amandula, Grunk, part of their offensive line. Like, you can't survive stuff like that. And the Eagles are the big winner this week, even though they didn't even play last week.

Jameson Crowder's been out, maybe is returning this week. You mentioned Moses. He played through that injury last week, but he was getting crushed in the second half of that game when he was playing. I feel for the Redskins, because they're a team without a lot of margins. Like, they had a very good chance, I think, to make the playoffs. And they're built with that schedule. Built with their offensive line. Right.

To win 10 games. they were dead last last season in adjusted games lost, according to Football Outsiders. So they had terrible injury luck last year, and now they're having it again. And that can sink a coaching career if you're Jay Gruden. And there just aren't teams with offensive line depth anymore. And you look at who's behind these guys, Chase, you're like this guy, Dan, Chase Rulier. Is that how you say his last year? He's their starting center, I believe.

I thought he was moved over the left guard. Yeah, I think they put Tony Bergstrom at center. And then they signed former number one pick Jonathan Cooper. signed Luke Bawanko. They signed Austin Howard, who got cut by the calls. How about more regular names? Austin Howard, perfect. There you go.

That is appreciated. I don't see how they survive this. The way they're built to have Adrian Peterson is the showcase. Their schedules easy enough that you could see them maybe cooking up four wins still somehow and getting to nine and seven, but I just think. Boring January playoff team. The ceiling's so low. I think the Eagles, at this point, Eagles, you've been a disappointment.

I know they've had a lot of injuries. But ultimately, that you've been a disappointment as a defending Super Bowl champion. And if you don't win this division now, you're a major disappointment. I like how Alex Smith post-49ers is like, I will only be on boring playoff teams that get axed early in January. That's what I do. Speaking of disappointing NFC East teams, the Dallas Cowboys, licking their wounds after their Monday night football loss against the Titans. Troy Aikman, franchise legend.

He's got some rings, three, I believe, which gives him the right to occasionally pop off to the media and people pay attention. Well, he does a weekly appearance on 1310 the ticket, and he called Dallas an organization that's in a dysfunctional place. Oh, he's not happy. Here's what else Troy had to say. Go through the list, and this team over a long period of time has been what it's been. And it hasn't always mattered who the head coach has been. And so to me, if you're asking me, I'd say there has to be a complete overhaul of the entire organization.

You just can't simply replace head coaches and say, now it's going to be better. No, it's been shown that it's not better. And you have to address how everything is being done. Uh-oh. You know, Mark, he's boys, Troy, with Jason Garrett, his old buddy in the quarterback room. But when you say complete overhaul, you know what you're saying. I give him credit because he's close with everyone in that organization and has been their favorite son for decades. I mean, we're at the point where people listening to this show, some of the younger ones,

didn't watch Troy Aiken play. It's one of my favorite players of all time. But to come out and speak honestly about this Cowboys team, which is an absolute raving mess from the inside out. They are poisoned from the inside out at the highest level right now. This is exactly what needs to be said. What are they? They are a poison from the inside out.

They are a- Did you say raving mess? They are a wreck. Like a rave? But it's like a messy one? It's messy raving mess. It's kind of fun. People throwing up, they got the bad stuff. It is the end of the raving mess.

It's like 4.31 a.m. The sun is starting to peak up over New York City. You're going to have some moments, but ultimately it's pretty sloppy. It's the bad part of the rave. You need a heart transplant in the Dallas Cowboys organization. That quote, it made more sense to me hearing him say those words because, yeah, he is friends with Jason Garrett. And that was clear from that choice that he's saying it's not Jason Garrett's fault. He's saying it's Jerry Jones's fault, period.

He didn't try to hide it there. He said the way that Jerry Jones runs his organization is, is, it needs to change. That the Jones, he was saying the Jones family needs to fire themselves, which is pretty strong, pretty strong to say. And that's not going to happen. I don't know about a complete overall. Wait, you think the Jones family might fire itself?

I don't even know what that means. I think Troy is saying that you should, he was saying it's not on Jason Garrett. It's that the Jones family should not be involved in football operations, essentially, that the structure of how they do it is at fault, which is the same thing many people in the, the media have said for years and years, it's been quieter over the last few years because they drafted well and had some good seasons. I think it's possible at some point Jerry Jones would

fire his son to hire a personnel director. If it really bottomed out, maybe not this year. I think Jerry Jones is going to direct Troy Aitman's complaints to a brick wall and pay no attention to it. You're probably. And I don't think they need a complete overhaul. This is the best defensive personnel they've had. In a long time, their offensive line has potential. The running back is obviously excellent. They need a new offensive coaching staff and a new head coach. But I think what he's saying is like, yeah, that's all true. But as long as you don't, if you don't change the way that the ownership gets...

Weren't they winning 75% of the games the past two years? I'm just saying the way that they're emotionally invested and the way that they go up and down, like, fans, you can't have your GM acting like that all the time. This is what happened, like, sometimes. Jerry Jones said after the game's like, we didn't see this coming. You didn't losing to the Titans. You didn't see losing. You're a three and four team who's completely mediocre, submediocre on offense.

You're capable of losing any game to any team, but you buy your own hype, and a lot of the reporters around that team buy their hype. I would also say that Aikman, this wasn't just Troy Aikman's opinion. It came from talking with people inside the organization. We don't know who they are, but he obviously has access to anyone he wants. And it's them telling him that they sense complete disqual, dysfunction. So that carries more weight than just the ex-quarterback spouting off. By the way, two of the greatest things I have seen on the show that happened during this

segment while Greg was talking. Erica almost fell asleep out of boredom behind the glass. And then Dan is taking his phone after applying hair gel to his hair. Product to his hair pointing the camera at himself just to make sure that it's pointed perfectly while we're attempting to dissect the cobblets. I assume that was like going on your Instagram story or something. I was listening the whole time. But I thought because I had applied it that maybe it was pointing up, sticking up a little bit. So the phone showed me that it was.

It looks great. My instincts were right. It looks great. Should you throw in like some Justin Bieber talk to keep Tamposie awake? I'd prefer Justin Timberlake. Justin Timberlake. Finally, something I don't like. A.m. Twins. Something I was very upset to hear about.

New England Patriots, the throne of sleaze, everything going great over there these days. And now because they decided that, you know, winning's not enough, constantly winning, and their quarterback never getting hurt, never being in a walking booted practice, never missing multiple weeks for the foot injury, they got to start stealing nicknames now. And what are they doing? Trey Flowers, it's not enough that he's the number one ranked PFF pass Roger on the edge. It's not enough that he won the Around the NFL podcast award for PFF Unsung Hero. Now they've got to go steal

and nicknames Listen to this Defensive coordinator Brian Flores Says those around the Pat's organization refer to Trey Flowers by a different name

The Quiet Storm Which in their opinion perfectly encapsulates Flowers' personality and playing style You don't hear much from him but he's been a warrior for us

he's played lights out for us since he's gotten here you're not allowed to do that i mean if you really want to dig into it one could argue that the quiet storm was initially applied to courtney brown the first overall pick of the 2000 draft but he came and gone he came and gone he's gone you can't have you can't now have here's the problem i'm the one in trouble here if you want to say that that's my nickname because this is someone who's much more well known, probably much 10 times better at his day-to-day job and featured on national television multiple times during the autumn into the winter. We're not even on television at this point. So I don't know, this is not trending well for this production.

You earned that nickname. I coined that sitting across from you on Sundays because there was always a rage below the surface, even though you're quiet throughout games. And I don't think Trey Flowers fits. In fact, how many nicknames does this guy need? What other nicknames is? He's been called technique by his defensive teammates for the past few years. I believe Tony Romo had a different nickname from him after talking to their teams and coaches in a game earlier this year. Some people just invite nicknames, you know. Mark, you're on the Internet, though.

What are your thoughts, though, Mark? You're on the Internet. That's good. Courtney Brown retired, but in between Courtney Brown's retirement and your emergence as the Quiet Storm, the movie The Quiet Storm was released. And for our listeners who aren't familiar with it, it was a politically charged full-length action thriller revolving around a gang of four.

At a pan-African meeting, it's decided for there to be positive change. I don't know why that's really correct. So in the social and economic situations of Africans at home, some of the leadership problems will need to be. rectified. Why was that so funny to you? Wait, we also put out... It was not what I was expecting.

It was like a UK corrupt puppet African leader. Did you see that? You said for the listeners who have... I've never heard of that movie. No, I haven't either, but I... We also put out a movie or at least a trailer for the Quiet Storm. They took his team. Viciously below average...

They stole his innocence. A childlike, but not to suggest innocence or purity. They made a football life about his misery. Control, Alt, Delete. and open to Factory of Sadness that never closed. Now, the climate is right for revenge. This winter, there's a hurricane coming for anyone who looks in this direction on a Sunday. It'll be an apocalyptic sunset.

Mark Sessler is Quiet Storm. This show cannot end fast enough, and I have a sharply worded letter to hand to you, my friend. So anyway, Mark I'm disturbed We, but that show We had the quiet storm It's locked in And I feel like litigation

Is not the worst avenue here I would love to pursue it I'd like to have the league You know, my employer get behind it Let put some of their money into it It's very expensive to try to take on the Patriots financially It's also time consuming Don't have a lot of time or money

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Now, it's time. I love animals, so I enjoyed that. Now, it's time to own up. Own up. We don't get everything right but the difference between our show and other shows is that we're not afraid to admit it west there's something honorable in that isn't there of course you own up to your mistakes absolutely and then like when you and when you do own up to them i think it's important just to let everyone know what good people you are by owning up to them you know what i mean oh you have to just like attack that on give ourselves glory for that right but at least i mean It's better than not doing it at all, I feel like. I feel like maybe you could look at it in that type of way, and that's a little bit cynical.

I think this is... I don't think that's cynical. I think this is really showing that we are very special people, ultimately. To Greg's point. It was like our president today was asked his takeaway from the election. And his one big takeaway was people like me. And that's what my takeaway is from this podcast. All right.

So this is a segment we call... You blew it! All right, Mark. You're going to get us going with a prediction that you made. Get us started, quiet storm. I mean, essentially, yeah, this came in our week three recap when I was very agitated with one team from the AFC West. The Chargers, I am sorry, I cannot at this point sit through many more weeks of this.

I have Chargers exhaustion. They need Joybosa back, and they just got to clean it up on special teams. Yeah, right. Guess what, not holding my breath. So at that point, you were just done, Mark. You felt another Charger season was coming that was going to be just like the rest of them, but it hasn't quite worked out that way. Yeah, I just could not tolerate a Chargers team that lost to the Chiefs and Rams.

How could I put up with that? that kind of a squad. Little did I know they would not lose since. They look like the most balanced team in the entire conference and the team ready to play spoiler and say, you want to just give the Chiefs and the Patriots the buy? Well, they've got an absolute cupcake schedule coming up. They've got teams like the Broncos and the Cardinals and the Raiders,

and they have a very good shot to get to Pittsburgh in week 13 at 9 and 2. And at that point, they're very much in the conversation to steal one of those buys from the Patriots or the Chiefs and say, you know what? Cessler, you don't know. Censert. You don't know anything. What?

Wait a second. Wait a read that he leaves, Mark. Oh, way to read it. Well, I have to give, Bridget is correct this time. So you owned up to it. Good job by you. This happens all the time. Teams that everyone likes year after year,

the moment that you are very common. I would say in your opinion of being tired of the Chargers. Even people like me and West who have been loving this team for years, we started getting pretty quiet. We started getting a little bored, you know, just wondering if this thing's ever going to happen. The moment that happens,

then suddenly Melvin Gordon is looking as good as any running back in the league. Desmond King is winning multiple games for them and Rivers is having the season we've been waiting for. Didn't Will Brinson jump off this bandwag? He did. He did. He did. Giving him grief. Well, he and I picked the Chargers both to go to the Super Bowl last year.

and I think we were bit by that also. In fact, when we get to mind, it is from the show that Will was on with us where I believe he did. Oh, yeah. That was the episode where he went nuts and just said he was out. He did get out.

Bad timing. Mark, what is the Chargers' final record going to be at the end of Week 17? I'm just curious what you think. I think they're going to be a 13 and 3 team. Wow. Wow. But again, everything that I've said about the Chargers

is completely wrong. So, if they go 13. How about 12 and 4? 12 and 4 feels very real to me. 13 and 3 is juggin' hot stuff. 13 and 3 is you might have to win in Kansas City to get there, and you might win the division. I think they are going to split with the Chiefs.

Which would be amazing. Wes, what do you got? I doubted one of my favorite players in the league and one of the best quarterbacks in the league, and it was because of a sequence at the end of a week three game. and the sequence everybody knows because he couldn't, he was replaced on a Hail Mary attempt.

And then I actually used the name Chad Pennington in the same sentence as Andrew Luck. Oh, no. Again, Jacoby Percept for the Hail Mary and everyone's wondering what's wrong with Andrew Luck's arm. To me, that's sure sign that Reich is admitting Andrew Luck's arm isn't where it needs to be. Maybe he's not Chad Pennington.

Maybe he's still working back. to get that arm strength. But no other quarterback in the league gets pulled in this situation. As much as that Hal Mary, what bothered me was the plays before that. There were 43 seconds left. He could have worked down for, he could have worked down to get the ball down the field. And instead, he was just taking easy checkdowns for four or five yards. No desire whatsoever to test the Eagles down the field.

Tybee Island is a dirty swamp Oh you go to hell Bridget Bridget that is a terrible You go to hell and you die I didn't even know she got out of the garage That was unfair Not right, not right But here's Andrew Luck now

And he is Andrew Luck again more or less Right Wes? He's on pace to tie Drew Breeze For the fifth most touchdowns in a season He's on pace for 46 touchdowns And ever since You know my ridiculous comments About his arm strength

He's been on fire throwing to guys like Zach Pascal and Mo Alley Cox for an offense averaging 35 points a week. That was the game everyone was worried, though. I think people, even like the Eagles you could hear after the game were kind of, they weren't impressed with what they saw out of Andrew Luck. He wasn't, his arm didn't look great. And he is a different quarterback. He's not the same old Andrew Luck.

And that's fine. A lot of it's better. Like he's a smarter quarterback. You forget how young he is. His ball placement is better. So intelligently. He's not nearly the same. the same runner as he used to be because he doesn't want to be because he's trying to stay away

from getting any hits which was an old problem that he had his arm i don't think is quite where it was but it doesn't matter he has plenty of arm and he's better in so many and how much of a difference has the offensive line improvement made i mean i feel like that helps you be a smarter quarter i think rike and luck has made are the key rike has been the key to making the offensive line better he's getting the ball out of his hands quicker than almost any quarterback in the league and you run an offense that that makes them look better. When your name is Mo Allie hyphen Cox, the assumption is that one parent had the last name of Allie

and one had the last name of Cox, or is it multiple parental situations or maybe a family split at some point. Most hyphins are a divorce situation. Or you just want to have both names. But we're assuming that it isn't a hyphenated last name that is the actual only last name. Well, don't you guys know a lot of people?

Don't you guys know a lot of people with hyphens and how many of them aren't exactly that situation. But every could be just, well, I'm going to do some work on this. Kirstie Alley and Fletcher Cox. If they got married, they wanted to hook it up. Unlakely. Get that couple together. Let the record show there was one person who did not question

Andrew Luck's arm strength after that game, and that was Andrew Luck who insisted that his arm was just fine. Yes, I believe his quote right after the game was shut the fuck. Censored. Which is not like Andrew Luck, but he must have felt very confident. Eric is like yet another edit to this show. All right, Greg, why don't you go next? I got carried away talking about a team

who's basically the same team year after year and I kind of, like a lot of bad predictions. It was just wishcasting. It was what I was hoping would happen. It was stupid. The Pittsburgh Steelers. Wow. It's not true.

It's from the Twitter show after I gave him an award. This is a ship going downhill. Something smells wrong. Ben Rathlisberger said he's not on the same page with anybody. And Ben Rathusberger loves to put little passive-aggressive quotes into the media. It actually do mean something. Antonio Brown's not getting the ball as much. The Steelers' defense is a shell of its former self, no pass rush.

James Connor has been under 20 yards, two of the last three weeks. The lowest rushing total, the Steelers' vets, since 1970. And by the way, they're in the best division in football. They're not getting past the Ravens and the Bengals, because those teams are legit, and even the Browns are going to be tough. They could be in last place at the end of that. I really wanted you to go golf, but...

I like that you... I forgot about Old Bridge. Greg, this is an intervention. Tell us help you. She does seem to have a lot of empathy for you, Greg. I appreciate that. You know, I have a special connection with women. Okay.

Unconfirmed, another unconfirmed report. I do like that was, that was from our Twitter show, and I had given the Steelers the award of a team you should freak out about. Mark thought I should have, or something you should freak out about. Mark thought I should have given it to another nominee, which was the entire sport of golf. It would have been a much better choice because golf's going downhill. It's a total bore.

It's a total bore. And you know what? The Steelers have one of the best offensive lines, one of the best receiver groups, one of the best running games, one of the best Red Zone offenses, and they still have Ben Rathesberger, who's fine even when he's not playing that well. Could hear it in your voice, too.

You said wishcasting, and you could hear the excitement. Even though the Patriots always take care of the Steelers when it matters, you just don't want them in the picture. You don't want them around anymore. You don't want the same thing year after year. It's fun to see good teams get bad and bad teams get good. Except for the Patriots. Well, yeah, that's the team that should never get back.

Every year there's like a player or two, I have a complete disconnect with pro football focus. Ben Rathesburger is the guy this year. They have him behind guys like Alex Smith, Dack Prescott, Blake Bortles, Case Keenham. I think he looks like Ben Rathesburger. He missed a few throws in September, but he's moving better than he did last year in the pocket. The offense is on fire. I mean, he's not making back-breaking turnovers. How do you grade those guys ahead of him?

I think if you looked at his grades over the last, and I'm doing it now, over the last four weeks, they've been good. So he just buried himself with a lot of, he got away with a lot of... He didn't really bury himself. I mean, he's alive and living and playing good football. In the way that they grade,

the first four or five weeks of the season were so bad, just with a lot of lucky plays that didn't get intercepted, and not a lot of the conventional Ben's going to do something on his own plays. But I think you've seen those over the last three or four weeks, and he's been fine. We'll close it out with my thoughts, which were back in the Wednesday show ahead of week three. The Seahawks were O and 2, and beyond being O and 2, they just seemed to be a directionless O and 2 or a team in search of an identity, which we had not been used to up there in Seattle.

Here's what I said. early in 2017 the Seahawks were still had their core together they got off to a one-in-one start and you weren't sure what team they would be but you kind of thought they were going to figure it out and again be a team in the NFC to be reckoned with at the start of 2018 two weeks in I don't think there's any question that the Seahawks are an also-ran that the Seahawks are a rebuild And you see it on both sides of the ball. I was borderline depressed. It's like the Seahawks don't matter right now.

No. And that's a big change from what we've gotten used to over the last five or six years. Oh, me too. No worries, honey. How could you have known? I mean, we all knew. We all knew. all knew that was not going to wind up as any sort of critique of you, despite your analysis

being as far off course as possible. All right. It was worth it. That was what was all about. Okay. So the Seahawks do have an identity. They are not all surrender. They're also not a superpower.

It's not like they've been blowing the doors off this industry of football. Is being Greg Rosenthal's fourth favorite team? as an identity? Maybe, maybe. But they were 0 and 2. They then won four or five, and their defense really did develop. They quickly found a new niche with big playmakers. Frank Clark has seven and a half sacks halfway through the season. He could be an all pro. This is a team that has found itself defensively. Offense has been better. The running game has been better. Russell Wilson has had some really nice moments this season. They did stumble a little bit at home against the Chargers,

which takes a little bit of wind out of the sales of the team. But overall, when you look at them, I think they are an NFC team that is going to be in the mix for the wild card spot. They have their four losses, all of them, one-score games, and the combined record of the teams that beat them, 19 and 6. So what that kind of tells me is they're not quite at the level of these top teams in the league,

can hang with any team and they can beat all the bad teams and most of the teams that are in the middle of the road they can hang with them and beat them too so we'll see what happens we're going to learn a lot about them coming uh uh over the next three weeks because they go to los angeles against the rams tough tough matchup especially with the rams coming up that loss and then home at packers and then at panthers so they need to win probably two of those three games uh to to stay above water at least one obviously uh and we'll see learn a lot about them but i was very wrong at that moment thinking that this team was going to be a six and ten type outfit with no juice. I would say if they ever found a way to sneak in to the final wild card spot,

it's improbable with their schedule. But almost regardless, I would like to see Pete Carroll in the conversation for Coach of the Year. I have no idea what Coach of the Year means in this league because Bill Belichick never gets it and he probably should get it every year. But what Pete Carroll dealt with in the offseason, having to displace a bunch of veterans who have had maybe lost the message of Pete Carroll and we're taking over the team in a bad way to move on from them, engage in a rebuilding project, have everyone write you off, and then show what he's done with all these new faces and these younger players, and their secondary looks great all over again.

I mean, he's doing everything he did the first time. He's beginning to do it a second. What is a coach of the year? You alluded to kind of the veteran issue, Earl Thomas, a big issue with him in the holdout. He does play. He's an impact player, and then he gets hurt. and he's out for the year. So they've been able to fight through that as well.

At the time of your statement, Dan, we all thought this was a 6-10 team. Right. Yeah. I thought this was an 8-9-win team going into the season. Except for that's probably where they're going to be at. Greg nailed it. Not at that time.

You got it. I mean, we could go back and I would say at least half of my predictions would all be wrong. It wouldn't be hard to find incorrect prediction. I'd say 9 out of 10 of mine are probably definitively incorrect. I would say... I'm just throwing darts at a non-dart board. We provide a lot of value in different ways.

Predictions is not one of them, and it's not one that any football analyst provides any value. The entire industry whiffs. Right, and it's not just football industry. It's like studies have been done. The best experts in basically any medical, scientific fields, whatever, have no predictive powers whatsoever. You can analyze this, but you're not going to know what's going to happen in the future.

That's why it's censored. future. Find me one other football show in existence where they set around telling each other we provide value in other ways. At what time do you stop down and tell the listener that we are providing value? It is unbelievable what happens on this show. All right, there you go. We blew it, but we owned up to it, so we're the best. All right, now let's move on. Let's hit this pretty quick, but we should hit it because, West, you got a banger that's coming. Is it up on the site yet? Or it's coming up soon. It should be up by the time this podcast is released.

There you go. Oh, yeah. That makes this breaking news. Top 10 rookie classes in the NFL. And you put a lot of thought into this. Wes, you want to tell us, first of all, why don't you just throw out the number one? Who has the best rookie class as of halfway through the 2018 season? To me, there are two that stand above the crowd as the Browns and the Colts,

and I gave the edge to the Browns for the quarterback factor. They nailed the right one, and a lot of people thought they should have taken Sam Darnold. Josh Allen's name was in the mix. A lot of people thought Josh Rosen was maybe the best NFL-ready quarterback. But I think they, after all of their due diligence, settled on Baker-Mayfield, the right guy who's been the most productive and the most promising of the rookie quarterbacks. That's a big call. I mean, Denzel Ward is on my mid-season all-pro team,

and Nick Chubb has rushed for 21 more yards. on 40 fewer attempts than Carlos High. Chubb looks really good. He looks like, I don't know, like Eddie, there's not many running backs around like him right now. He's more explosive than Eddie. Yeah, but like a young Eddie. Eddie George was explosive when he was young.

But he has a very good sense of like what holes to hit and how to set up runs. Like he's just kind of an old school. He seems like he has great vision, which is a great trait. I think it's the third or fourth week where Mayfield and Chubber up for rookie of the week that this combination of these players has happened three or four times this season. So it is promising.

And I guess all this like, you know, moping around after they fired the coach, it's like there is, this is different this time because, A, that had to happen. Like, there was no way that anyone thought that you're traveling into the deep future with Hugh Jackson. It happened too late. That's fine. But there is hope this time because when you look at this roster and how it's built, the right coaching staff has a lot to work with. Wait, the Browns are number one?

Brown's in number one? Yeah, that makes sense to me because eight, like even if you look at the late-round picks, Janard Avery and Damien Rattley, I like how Rattley looks, and I think Avery's great production. These are third-round picks, third-day picks, so that makes sense. Avery's going to be a starter for them. He already is filling in, and I think he's going to be a starter for the next, you know, half-decade. Why the Colts over the Broncos? Where are the Broncos?

The Broncos are third. The Colts have, they have, they're the only team with a defensive rookie of the month and an offensive rookie of the month. Darius Leonard, to me, has had a bigger impact. in any rookie in football. He leads the NFL in tackling. He has four sacks, seven tackles for loss, a few forced fumbles. This guy is a playmaker.

Quentin Nelson and Brayden Smith on their offensive line are both starting. And to me, they're both like assets, whereas the Broncos have Bradley Chubb and Philip Lindsay who are assets, but who else is really. Sutton, Cortland Sutton. Sutton has not been, he's very, the potential is through the roof, but he's got less than a 50% catch rate, too. Philip Lindsay? Right.

Yeah, Philip Lindsay, like, is getting it done. What would you say about the Broncos? I know Bradley Chub has come on. He's obviously, they made a good pick there, but let's say they had taken Josh Rosen instead of Chub, where would this – and we'd be getting a different version of Josh Rosen because they wouldn't be encamped on one of the worst offenses we've ever seen. They didn't address the quarterback situation, and that's the one reason I think –

I mean, Elway needed this draft, and he really needed it badly, but I still get stuck on these teams like the Giants and Broncos that ignored the most important position. Yeah, I think I would have to save that for a few years to find out who Josh Rosen's going to be. I want an answer right now. To this point. Censored. Cardsals are not on this list because the rookies haven't really played that well.

Even though they addressed positions, Josh Rosen hasn't been an asset for the Cardinals this year. All right, quickly, Wes, the team on this list that kind of intrigued you the most their rookie class. And since you, I assume when you did this, you kind of went through all the teams, right? I did. Who had the worst rookie class so far? I like that, too. The Jacksonville Jaguars aren't getting much at all out of their rookie class. That's one team.

Really, some of the better teams. The Rams, of course, didn't have as many draft picks, so they're not getting as much. The Chiefs aren't getting a ton from their rookie class. So I think those are like the ones where it's like, oh, there isn't much there. The one intriguing team that is on this list, I think the Panthers, who are now, like, you're seeing them hit their stride as they work in DJ Moore. Dante Jackson is Brian Baldinger's pick for defensive rookie of the year so far. He tied for the leading interceptions.

So I think the Panthers, like, they're being fueled by their young player. We kind of, you know, mocked, maybe not mocked, but we were critical of them bringing back Marty Herney. Yeah, we were. We've built statues to Dave Gettelman. Well, Dave Gettelman's had a terrible year personnel-wise with the Giants. And the Panthers have had a nice year since he's left. It's funny when you talk about these draft classes And we have killed the Giants

And rightfully so this is not worked out at all If we just wait though If you just wait The Giants and I don't know enough about the college football scene To know if there's a star quarterback that they can get They're going to pick the best quarterback probably on the board Or close to it So maybe this time next year they will have everything

But they don't get any credit for lucking into that quarterback Because they're so bad at their jobs Not my point I'm not saying they deserve credit I'm just saying that as bad as the season has played out for them, it might ultimately all work out. They should have Barclay and a quarterback they could build. They thought they were a nine-win team.

The fact that they were so wrong about their own team could end up saving them. The only problem for them, too, is you're going to be compared. Whatever quarterback it is, you've got Sam Darnold playing in the same stadium for the Jets. That is an unpleasant concoction for Giants. If Darnold hits, that will always stick with them, especially if Barclay does not become a generational talent. When he hits. the range of possibilities is they might find that quarterback next year in the draft, or it could be 20 years like the Browns and the bills before they find a quarterback.

Right. All right. There you go. Check it out, NFL.com slash whistling. That may be a vanity URL if the powers that be deemed it, you know, worthy. It feels like vanity URLs might have jumped the shark. Oh, really? I think, like, written content on the Internet is struck.

Yeah, I think, like, all of NFL.com has to take a point. Long look in the mirror. Our lives are meaningless. But it seems like it's a problem area. All right. Fair point. We'll save that for the future of the industry podcast coming up in the off season. But let's close out the show by taking a look at the first game on the week 10 schedule.

The Carolina Panthers, six and two and rolling, absolutely rolling. They've won five of six and three in a row. And now they head to Pittsburgh to face the Steelers. God, a good game on Thursday night because the Steelers are as hot as any team in the AFC with five wins out of six and four straight, Quiet Storm. And you are the one in true Quiet Storm. This is a game that you're going to watch and not hate. And I know it. Oh, I'm excited for this game. All I want is intriguing matchups. I especially love when you get two teams that don't see each other often like this. And they're both surging right now.

The Panthers have zero turnovers in the last three games. They're not making. mistakes. Cam Newton is the best Red Zone quarterback in the league at this point. I think we're going to see a lot of DJ more in this game. They're going to try to get him unleashed. And the Steelers, as much as I disdain the concept of them always making the playoffs are very fun to watch right now. And it starts for me with James Connor. That's all I have to say. Two of the best tackling defenses in football, I think. These teams don't make a ton of mistakes. You're right. Cam Newton might be the best Red Zone quarterback. The Steelers I know are second in the league in red zone efficiency. I think the Bengals are randomly first. So these are two teams who you can

kind of compare because they both just finished up walking the Ravens defense up and down the field. They did it in different ways, but ultimately, especially in the Carolina game, the offense of the Panthers dominated that game. They're both really good on third downs. And I think it's because they have so many options. I mean, DJ Moore is really fun to watch. And the Panthers coaching staff is under the radar, not North Turner necessarily this year, but just the way that they do things. They've had as many injuries as anyone on the offensive line. Their offensive lines playing well.

So that, to me, is coaching. Dante Jackson and James Bradbury are, I'm not going to say they're the best cornerback duo, but they're very good. And those are guys that weren't drafted very high, that people don't talk about that much. And that's coaching. That's kind of having a system where you're making your players look better maybe than they would elsewhere.

Thomas Davis said this week that the Panthers now are more talented than the 2015 team that went to the Super Bowl. and I think that cornerback duo is a good reason. And the weapons with Curtis Samuel, DJ Moore, Christian McCaffrey on offense is another. Their offense is definitely better than that team. That's crazy to think about, though. It's true, though.

You're right. And since we're here, we should mention the Levi-on-Bell situation. He's still not with the team. He has until Tuesday. Next Tuesday at 4 p.m. Eastern. If he doesn't report by that deadline, he's ineligible to play for the remainder of the 2018 season. I'm still confused whether he has to report

and remain tethered. Will you remain tethered to the franchise tag to the Steelers? I see it reported in all different ways, and it's annoying me because I wanted to know for sure. Greg, do you know definitively? Yes. What is it? I am keeping that to myself.

I'm the only person in the industry that knows. That's smart. It's great to know. It sounds awesome. But James Connor, Mark, who it starts, your excitement for the seal starts with James Connor. You set it on face of 2,000 yards. So they're going to be fine with or without love.

They'll be fine. Pick this game, fun. Is this in Pittsburgh or Carolina? It's Pittsburgh. All right. The Steelers win this 27 to 24 in a thriller. Wes? I think the Panthers might be a slightly better team,

but the home field advantage. I'm going to stick with the Steelers 28, 25. Remember the old desert Crito back in the day, Greg, which was always bet on Peyton Manning in prime time? Sure. I mean, they have that on billboards, up and down the script. You know. Paid for your college. I always bet against Cam Newton and the Panthers on the road in prime time. What?

The numbers back it up. He has struggled career-wise under the lights. He struggled in the Super Bowl, too, but that was. I remember, like, a nine-stack game against the Eagles on either Monday night or Thursday night football. Remember that awful seaside bar mark where we watched the giant Panther game where Newton laid an egg? He doesn't always play the best in these settings, and I don't like him on the road in this game. As much as I love Cam and the Panthers this year,

I feel like they're going to take an L here. Played an egg and then enraged us with a late game touchdown with the Panthers down by multiple tons of points. And he rips his jersey open like he's Superman. Well, if you're Superman, you wouldn't be in this position to begin with. Was that the game that Andre Brown ran all over? Yes, that's the game. Let me give a score.

It's going to be 31 to 17 Steelers. I think the Steelers are a slightly better team. I think their ceiling is even higher. I think Rathosburg can play even better. And the way that the defense has just flipped a switch and suddenly turned into an average to probably an above average even. I think they have a better defense than the Panthers. So I think they win at home, let's say, by six points.

30 to 24. They're going to go 6-0 there. That would have been next level. All right. Greg, this is an intervention. Help us help you I appreciate you saw what I was doing there Bridget

just making sure everyone knew how much to do it Don't pretend like you didn't know the old Peyton Manning in primetime Cretto Don't pretend You are definitely banging You were banging it every time

No That's something That sounds like something I don't like little rules like that Is the intervention based on the last Bridget entry that you are on acid or is it because you have a serious gambling issue? I mean, or both?

All over the above. You say you don't like little things like that. But he always covered at home or always covered in primetime during his heyday. I think stuff like that and the fact like Cam Newton has struggled on the road in prime time is totally meaningless. And I think you're meaningless. I think most people that look at the numbers would say that. While we're talking intervention, can I give a TV recommendation? Sure.

The Always Sunny and Philadelphia episode where Frank gets an intervention and thinks it's a roast. That was classic. The actual show intervention is also a good show. Love that. Not jovial.

It's very intense, but I enjoy watching it. Very nice. And before we go, last chance, Greg, if you want to reveal whether or not Levion Bell needs to report in order to waive the franchise tag which would then enter him directly into free agency, or does he get hit

with a transition tag? Clear it up. Greg. I'm changing the game right now. I'm actually going to sell this information to the highest bidder. So just come at me. Inside, like whether it's Schefter, Rappaport, Glazer, hit me up. Wow, I like this. You have multiple issues and that will not change.

All right. We'll be back tomorrow night with a recap of that Panther Steelers game and then we will preview all the week 10 matchups to come. This is Dan Hansa signing off for Quiet Storm, the mailman, the old boss, Ricky Hollywood. behind the glass. How you feeling, Ricky? Feeling great, looking better.

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