NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - You're The GM!

Episode Date: October 26, 2023

In a room full of heroes - Dan Hanzus, Marc Sessler, Gregg Rosenthal and Colleen Wolfe take turns assuming the identity of an NFL General Manager and work they way through trade talks ahead of this year's trade deadline. NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Hello? Hey, how you doing? This is Joe Douglas of the New York Jets. Can I speak with the general manager of the Buccaneers? Yeah, this is Jason Light. Ah, good one, good one. Quit playing.

No, I mean the current GM of the Bucks. Yeah. Jason Light Super Bowl champion 2021 wearing that ring now The kids love it They love it. Still there?

Polish it up. Just kidding. I knew that. Jason, what's up? Trader Joe here. Don't hang up because I know what you're thinking. Jamal Adams for two number ones.

Nailed it. Sam Darnold fetched three picks, including a two. Are you kidding me? I'm good at this. but that doesn't mean that you should be scared because I have a great offer for you here on the trade deadline.

Oh, yeah, not scared at all. Been employed since 2014. Been a part of a team that's actually won games, more games than they've lost at various points. So that's something you haven't been able to accomplish yet. So feeling very comfortable. Yeah, but you had Tom Brady and it was the COVID year. So let's kind of, let's calm down a little bit.

Just a little bit. It didn't feel full. You're right. let's get to it um i expected more here's the thing i uh we had some scouts uh watching your week seven game against the falcons and you know a couple things popped out to me and i was looking at our rosters and i and i just wanted to throw something out you need some veteran talent on both sides of the ball and and it's and let's be honest um jason let's be honest can we be honest can we be honest

I've always been honest. We both know you play in a fake division. Which means, you know, guys who are maybe struggling or not playing a lot in, say, the AFC East, aka a real division, may have far greater success in a division that is, shall we say, Fugazi. So listen to this. Not familiar with that term. Okay.

I'm speaking, though, to be clear, as the three-time defending NFC South champion. Right, which, you know. So then after you win that division, there's actually more games after that. I know the Jets haven't been familiar with that for a decade, but there's more, they're called the playoffs.

It's an exciting part of the year. Right. And we're seven times little league champions. Like, we're doing well in fake divisions as well. But, like, yes, in the NFC East, it's a much more difficult world. and our scouts noticed a couple things we love that Jack Barrett

we know Mark Sessler around the NFL does not respect him but we do but we do know that you also you know Joe Tryon Choenka more like Joe Trio better next time in the first round

you're in the middle of the pack in terms of pass rushing and that's one side and then on the other side of the ball Maron I mean what are we doing over there with the running backs Rashad White, Kishan Vaughn.

Are you familiar with the stat yards expected over your average yards over expected? Rushing yards over expected. Yes, rushing yards over expected. Yes, one of my favorite podcasters pointed out on Wednesdays around the NFL program that Rashad is dead last in the league in that stat.

Greg Rosenthal, what a guy. I believe it was Dan Hansus who kind of floated it out there initially and then you and then Greg came in. But that, We'll listen to it together later and decide who gets credit for that. The point being, he stinks, and Keishon Vaughn's not going to do the damn thing. And I know you have, according to my data, Chase Edmonds coming back. But come on, let's be serious.

You're averaging 3.0 yards per carry tied with the Raiders for last in the league. So here's what I'm willing to offer you. Looking forward to this. You ever hear of a certain potential future hallfamer named Dalvin Cook? I understand his, the data points aren't flashing too high. But again, that is in the AFC East against some top tier opponents throughout the first six, seven weeks of the season. He needs, he needs more room to roam. Obviously, we have Breece and he's done really well.

So I think Dalvin would be an instant impact player in your division. And then how about Carl Lawson, an edge rusher that could compliment, you know, Joe trying hard, but not good enough. get him out of the out of the mix and and line him up opposite shack and let them eat. So what I'm willing to do for you, um, Jason is offer you both of those decorated pro bowlers in exchange for no big deal. Second round pick. What do you got? Yes, we're good.

So trade a Joe baby. Trader Joe trying to understand where you're coming from here. Love that trading. Um, Carl Lawson. Yes. Uh, A few weeks ago, healthy, big time free agent pickup for you guys a few years back. Big time.

Good player. It has done so well for you. You chose not to play him multiple times this season even while he was healthy. Why was that? Apples to oranges, we have perhaps the deepest defensive line in the league and just an avalanche of high-end pass rushers. And again, we're playing a real league. So you have all these different things going on. He absolutely could do work

against the offensive linemen of the NFC South. Absolutely. Okay. We've settled that. I disagree mostly. Trade a Joe, baby. Let's do it. Dalvin Cook, I would like to read you

his yards per carry this year. It is 2.8. If he qualified, I believe that would be dead last among all running backs. Joe, you basically chose the two least valuable players on your roster and you called me in an extremely smug tone despite having the straighter, baby.

Despite having the exact same record as us and no history of premium and a fake league, but yes. Success. And you're asking for a second round pick for guys that nobody else wants. I'm the traitor. I say no. I would give you, Yeah, what will you give me?

I would give you a seventh round conditional pick and some load seats for the next time you guys are in Tampa and a free buffet at Shanis in Ebor City. Okay. Well, here's two things. And this is what I'll say goodbye. Good job by you because I was going to fleece your ace

because that's what Trader Joe does. but bad job because it would have been fun to do a trade. I'll see you at the GM meetings and I will bring you a large fish as an apology for not knowing that you weren't fired three years ago. Bye-bye. Wow.

I mean... Confrontational. That is, and people often wonder like what really goes on behind the scenes in the NFL and that's why annually you're the GM always delivers the goods. And I, Connie, I get it. Colleen Wolf here, Greg Rosenthalmore.

Mark Sessler. I'm Dan Hansis. I understand that Joe might rub people the wrong way. Well, the Trader Joe thing might. He's maybe perhaps branding himself, but, you know, he's flashy. He's a showman, kind of. He's a showman, and when he's on the phone, like, that's Joe and his element. And most people don't see him that way. Basically, his wife and then all the different GMs when he's on the phone. It's Joe at a flow state.

Yeah, he's really, you know, feeling his out there. Yeah, it's almost like the 23 and 49 record. his team has had since he came aboard. Hasn't diminished that confidence. Not at all. Not at all, in fact. All right, let's keep going. So it'd be good to be able to listen in on a trade that gets done.

So maybe, Colleen, you can take us through something like that. All right. We'll see. That's great. So should I announce who I am first? Yes. I'm glad you asked that question because I also had that question. Right.

We've done it four to five times now. But yes, go ahead. I don't remember yesterday. You are. It's like the first time every time, guys. So I am Les Sneed. And I am calling Scott Fitterer, the Panthers GM, who will be played by Sessler. All right.

Who are we talking about? Scott Fitterer? Okay. Are you listening? No, I know who is. Okay. Okay. All right, here we go.

Hello. Scottie! It's me again. I get a lot of calls. Thanks for giving me your name. Les, how's it going out there on the other coast? The lesser coast.

It could be a little bit sunnier today, but listen, the beach is great. The drinks are wonderful. Malibu is amazing this time of year. I just, I'm living life, man. It's nice out here. But, you know, for you guys, tough start. It is a tough start.

It is a tough start. You know, we've got a process going on here, I think, if you're inside the building. By the way, I just took the family out over the weekend to that complex that's half built attached to the Panthers. Kind of in shambles, but it's fun for the kids to run around, a little bit dangerous. But no, I would say inside the building, we're very focused on our process. and highly confident in what we've got going on. I'm hoping that I'll be around to continue to help a couple months from now. That's always in question when you're a general manager.

Well, if not, you can always come on out to L.A. The sun is shining. The palm trees are out here. Everything seems a little nicer. I bet Teper won't leave you alone. It seems like he's driving Frank crazy. I think you just got another call. Oh.

Yeah, hang on a second. All right. I got to take this. I don't have all day. But okay. Hello? Hi, this is Trevor with the Philadelphia Phillies, and we're excited to offer you an exclusive pre-sale access

to our 2024 season ticket plan. I am. I can't do this anymore. I quit. No, thank you. Gotta go. All right. All right.

Clicking back over to Scott. Scott, sorry about that. It's kind of thrown me off my game. These spam calls, they're nonstop. I don't know what to do about them. Anyway, listen. I got some picks. They're burning holes in my pockets right now.

You know, I don't do well with first-round picks. I like to sell them off. I know that they would look really nice and you're a rebuild, so we still want Brian Burns. And he's a year older at this point. Yeah. I don't love that he's in a contract year, but we'll deal with that.

So, I don't know, what do you say? I fly you and the fam out here to Los Angeles. And, yeah, we spend a little time. get some dinner at Nobu. Nice bottle of class of Azul and work out these terms. Solve the world's problems. Before I fly out with the family, what give me a ballpark term here? Like, you know, I'm very busy.

It's got to be worth my time. We value Brian Burns immensely around here, as you can tell. What do you say about me giving you back what you gave up for your Bryce Young? All right? Like, everybody wins. And listen, I don't have all day either. These waves aren't going to surf themselves. I'm intrigued.

The Scott Fitter experience, even if I were to talk about myself, has been slightly wanting. It's a little bit all over the place. If I were to turn down this deal two years in a row, I think I have a tough time explaining that to my owner. We'll give you a 2024 first rounder and a 2025 second rounder. Deal, flammy out there.

Ooh! And a dinner at Nobu. So this guy gets it. It sounds like Scott Fetter is just hungry. He's like free dinner. Wow. Also, a good sell by... We would do that deal.

I wonder if Scott was like, wow, I bet all the buildings are finished over there. Like that... Yeah. So you get to see just a landscape, a complete landscape, and free dinner by the sea. Beachfront property. I mean, Les wasn't messing around. He started with a first and a second and then fit... Old, like, easy negotiator fitter.

It's like, I got to get off the phone. I'll take that. I thought I was going to lose the call. He was starving. A first and a second round pick for Brian Burns. I think I would take that too much. The Rams famously. Offer two first rounds last year.

So in a way, like, you know, I guess both sides come out looking okay because the Rams get their guy and Fitterer, you know, gets a first round pick back. But, you know, I don't know. I feel like you might. might be getting your walking papers for that one, GM fitter. I mean, I just wants a trip to L.A. I felt the call banished. I think the Panthers would

take that and run with it. Also, tough to get reservations at Nobu. Right. I understand. That was probably a motivating factor. Absolutely. The Rams did so well in the draft, though, this year. Although none of them, I guess, were first round picks. So maybe that's the year point. You know, he's... I think they want to start rebuilding

with some of these guys. All right. Let's keep moving here. Greg Rosenthal. You're up next. Okay. If you're just tuning in, you're the GM is back for another zany adventure in 2020. All right.

I'm going to be Mike McDaniel calling Sean McVeigh played by Mark Sessler. Woo-wee. Okay. Hey, it's Sean's house. Whoa.

Weird. Hey, Kyle, it's Mike again. Really good to talk again this week. Yeah, how are you doing there, Mike? I really enjoy our calls. I really value our relationship, you know. Yeah, I just kind of talk about Kyle and, you know, it's so complicated. I just like appreciate everything that he's done for me over the years.

You know, even when those times were dark, you were with me there, you know, and just have mixed feelings about that season when he chained me to my desk. I mean, didn't let me interview with anyone. Mike, I appreciate that we have a shared friendship with Kyle. Literally a week ago at this time, I can see almost what your schedule is down there in Miami Because literally a week ago at this time, you called me with the same, essentially the same spin on you and Kyle thing. Yeah, but, you know, we have such shared history, Sean.

We were there in Washington. It hits that pretty hard. And we were going out for dinners and, you know, old, what was that guy's name? Lafleur was there and it was a rich time, you know. The media really gets on me here for being... You know, really long-winded and slow talking with my answer. But it just feels good because, like, it's just so complicated this thing with Kyle trying to get out of his shadow.

I just feel like only you really understand. What can I do for you would be, at this point, my question. Because this is the 9th or 10th time in 9 or 10 weeks that we've had this very long. I'm very busy. I do appreciate our friendship. I know you're going to be a father, too. And I really do think fatherhood has really sort of helped me put those years in perspective, those 49ers years. No doubt.

I mean, it really sounds like you have it in perspective. I want your best player. I want Aaron Donald. I want him. I want him. I want them. I want them. 2026.

First round pick. You can actually pay three years out. You guys are rebuilding. You guys can. No. We're not. You guys have done great. This was a strange end around to try to get Aaron Donald out of our.

Uh, 2026 first round pick. Uh, 2024 third round pick. Um, like one of those ray, you know, the like the razors where you can do the different settings, you know, like 2.5. I have no access to that product. 2.0. You just look like you could like what you do some. Mike, Mike, Mike. We're not Aaron Donald's not for sale. I think we made that clear in the middle of a rebuild that there is no asking price.

I think you've got these issues with Kyle Shanahan. Maybe you can dial him up. Aaron Donald is 32 years old, okay? Yeah, we're not just giving him away to you. You owe him a lot of money. You are old. You're the old news. You and Kyle are old news.

I'm the new guy. you give me your old guy, help the new guy, and we win now. You're not winning anything now. When Aaron Donald is 34 years old, you will not be winning anything then either. You give me, how about a 2025 first round pick I give you, not 26, and a 2024 first. No, this is going nowhere. I am absolutely linked with less need on the idea that Aaron Donald's going. I think you should call up Kyle, work through all this other residuals.

stuff ask about Bosa someone of that caliber like you can tell him how old he is and see how they're good they're still good now you're not good now you're not going to be good this year I really need to go 2024 first round pick 2024 second round pick 20 25 third round pick Mike next week this time is it just weird did this Mike McDaniel did you just want to fire him into the sun Throw him through the atmosphere until he hit the sun. Oh, my God. This character. It's different behind the scenes.

It's just literally just one click off, Greg. Like McDaniel. You just slid into that character. It was incredible. Seameless. Many clicks. I do love the idea of McDaniel calling Sean McVeigh about Kyle Shanahan on a little basis. Every week.

Also, I don't know what it is, but I kind of can see Aaron Donald just like so many veterans in the past, high ticket, big ticket veterans end up in Miami because they like want to play in Miami. I can actually totally see the Rams trading Aaron Donald if they lose this game for like multiple. If someone came and offered them like two first round picks for Aaron Donald at this point, I think that would make sense for both sides. Los Angeles to Miami. Yes. Where? Miami. All right, Mark, you're up.

All right. I am John Harbaugh calling Giants head coach Brian Daible, who will be played by Dan. Here. The fable they call Daibel. How can I help you? Your boy, John Harbaugh here. Johnny! How are you doing?

man, things are going better. You know, we're getting some things straightened out here. It was a really tough start to the year. But, you know, as you know, John, you got a ring. It's not how you start. It's how you finish. And I'm feeling good. Feeling good about the G-Men.

You know, our advanced scouting has been going crazy because we see, we're so proud of what we're accomplishing here. And the performance against the bills, I think you could just point to that is like, that's the old table coming back out there. Thank you very much. I appreciate that, John. How can I help you? Yeah.

No, I'm calling on to help you, actually. There are some lingering issues with the way this offseason when I thought for the New York Giants. And you tell me, I'm not trying to be critical. Well, you know, I don't handle the personnel. So you could speak candidly because we could just bury Shane. I don't care. Yeah. And I don't need, I don't need, you know, Eric DeCoste.

This is between Cohen. So it's like, you know. You get it. I've been reading this. Did you hear the latest this guy gets it with Mark Sessler? You listening around the NFL? I wait for my day off to listen to that. Just like, I've been hearing.

Just trench it. Yeah, and only like a minute and a half long, too, so it's fixed into my schedule. He has a, a carnal energy, and I can't, like, think of who it is. Oh, you know what it is? It's the Canadian broadcaster and 60 Minutes legend, morally safer. That's why I kept from the back. That's the parallel. Just curious if you get that as well.

I don't know. It's like a next Browns fan or Browns fan of some sort. He's always, like, going around bars, like he finds a young Ravens fan and then quiz them about the stupid history that they were... Unbelievable. I mean, everyone should check out this guy gets it, including you when you have a couple minutes to yourself.

I will. I've been reading. I'll tell you what I've been doing in my free time is like digging into old national geographic magazines. You know, like, when you're a coach... To see the nudity picks. Yeah, I've done it. I've done it. It's not my... Residual like benefit. Not my shining moment, but you got to do what you've got to do

when you're a kid. You're right. But listen to this. Listen to this. Do you know like so when like the nina the pinta and the santa maria um arrived back in match yeah big time 531 years ago on the east coast of the country not they were looking for spices from baltimore well no like who knows what they were looking for but actually the native americans according to records um some records could not see them the ships because they couldn't conceive that those types of insane vessels existed unbelievable and then today yeah now

no one can find the Nina, the Pinta, or the Santa Maria. No one can find any evidence that these ships ever existed. Interesting. I'm in. I'm interested. Go ahead. Ships are different. We're a ship right now that just in the last Fortnite has really figured out what we are, who we are. And I'm just telling you... You're a battleship right now, my right? We really are. I saw that game. And you'll get there too, but you need to be cognizant of who's coming with you on that ship.

The Giants are a different ship. And I frankly don't like what happened with the whole Seguan Barclay thing is it made you look like you were in the crosshairs and a bit clumsy. And I know the Brian Dable that I know, who was calling that game back when the Brown's ex-Tom Brady's Patriots back in 2010? I'd already been in Baltimore a couple years. I knew you back then and I know you now. I think about that game all the time.

All the time. I think a lot of people do. I would just say this. It is so important that you have a realistic vision about where you are. and I think Sequin Barclay is not part of that ship's crew going forward. The way he's not going to be there. We know that. He could come with us, and I could give you something very special in return.

I'm going to cut right to it. I mean, he's not under contract after this season, but I think the way that the Ravens work is we'd make sure that we'd have an interest of him sticking around for a long time. And in reverse, you get something for it versus nothing. You get a 2024 second round pick. I'd give you a 20-25 fourth. I'll throw in Gus Edwards, a promising young runner. Well, John, I, you know, I respect the hell out of you in that, the three ships.

What are they, Nina, the Pinta, and the Santa Maria? Yeah, we, I mean, I mean, that was, I don't really know where you're going with that exactly, but it was cool. It was just fun to, like, think about those ships and how they affected North America and the world. I got to say, like, I know you understand the business of the sport, but I'm pretty sure, and I could check with Joe on this, that I got a compensatory. pick if Sequin leaves and free agency. Joe, is that right? Why are you always asking this? Of course it's right. Yeah. And I think it could be as high as like a third rounder, I believe. And it just may it just begs the question. If I, if I'm getting a third losing them at the end of the year and I believe this team is turning it around, why would I get rid of my best player to move up

one round and it's not even a truly premium pick? You're going to have to do better than that, John. And you know, I love it. It's a 2025 third. Brian, life is short. This way you move up a year. All right, Joe. That's, that's, that's, that's, that's, you'd be getting a 20, 24 second. I'll give you a 20, 24th, uh, fourth to. I'll change, I'll, I'll switch out the 20, 25 aspect of that. So you get a second and a fourth and Gus Edwards.

The reason I'm doing this, and I understand that the Ravens were ahead of the compensatory market with, with Ozzy Newsom, long before other teams. So we're well versed. The difference is we want that's why I felt almost disrespectful. Well, you know, I thought that you assumed where we, where this culture is. We, we want Sequin Barkley today. in our building today. That's why this is... Let's make a deal here. I want to

I want a second this year and a third next year and I don't need Gus Edwards. I got Matt Rita. He's a great locker room guy. Our vision is to win the Super Bowl this year. We'll do it. All right.

Great doing business with the U.S.C. at the end of... Same meetings. Wow. Oh, my goodness. The Barkley to the to the Ravens at the deadline for a two and a three. And I think they'd quickly sign them to a contract extension. So the Giants eventually, they essentially get that compensatory pick that they would have gotten

anyway, but they also get the two for the immediate help. I feel like that's a fair trade. What do you think? Joe. I think the Giants would do it. That would be like a late second. Would they do a second and a third for Seguan right now? I think they would.

It's a different second. It's a different second round pick than if it's, we're talking to the Panthers. They keep saying that. And those compensatory picks, first of all, it's another year out. And it's, you know, the end of the third round. So it's quite different than like a second round pick a year from now. The Giants are weird. I don't think they, Mike G pointed out earlier this week on our episode.

Like, they can't decide what they're doing with Sequin Barclay. They don't want to give them the fair market rate. And yet they don't want to lose them. Internally, someone is going to have to win whatever potential struggle there is. And maybe it takes a third party like. the Ravens in the end. Okay. To push things along. Let's take a break and then we will continue

onward. All right. Let's see. I will be Bill Belichick and I will be calling Massey Austin Fort.

The M. of the Cardinals. I knew he was going to come up at something. What was that? What was that? Er. you said er for Monty

who is Monty the GM of the Cardinals yeah no I know who's playing him who's taking up the phone but no you went when I said

Bill Belichick it was that was like I was getting ready to listen I don't know all right Colleen is Monta Osson Fort

okay does that I pronounce it Massey um Monty Osson Fort Monty Monty

All right, here we go. Beaumonti here. Hey, it's Bill. What's up? Oh, you again. What do you want? You see the game on Sunday. I saw it.

Didn't like it. Pretty impressive. Offense. Umand. Getting back on track. Congratulations. You won a game. How about the bills?

You know, it's a big time. Bill's are a big-time opponent, and we shocked them. You did. You did it again, Bill. How about that, Mac Jones? Are you just calling to get some love for this? I'm just saying, how about that, Mac Jones? He is.

He really did turn it on there. I thought you didn't like Mac. I love Mac. You see Mac on Sunday. You love him now. I always love them. But, you know, times change, and I'm feeling a lot of pressure internally. From my boss

Who's kind of, I don't know You know who my boss is Mr. Kraft Yeah, Robert, he's I feel like he's putting some heat on me How's that make you feel? It makes me feel uncomfortable I've never been uncomfortable before in this building

And I think it's time to do something about it Well, I mean, you called the right person I'm always uncomfortable in this building I have a trade, though Sure I got to get on the internet. Jonathan, please. How many times am I going to tell you?

You must get off the phone when I'm having these important calls. I got to get on the internet. No. This is, we brought in a fax machine for you. You said that you needed it. I don't know what for. That's all we can do for you right now. You're the worst.

Oh, my gosh. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Bill. Are you still there? Yeah, what was happening? It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. What do you want?

Are you on AOL? What's your screen name? Malibu 420. Mine's five rings. Didn't need to update it. But stopped using it. Why? I use Gmail now.

All right, let's get to it. Mac Jones playing great about Mac Jones going in Arizona. And I'm going to tell you why it makes sense in a second. I would love to hear why that makes sense. Because you're tanking, right? be honest with me. We're not doing great over here. But you're trying actively not to do great, right?

We're looking ahead to next season for sure. All right. I want to offer you McCorkle. Okay. I want to offer you MacLamore, the Seattle rapper. I want to offer you Big Mac. Listen.

The disgrace slugger. I'm very busy. I want to offer you an actual Big Mac. I got to go find where Jonathan Gannett is now. I want to offer you a first round pick. How about that for you? And also a third round pick. I'll take a Big Mac over Mac Jones.

And you're going to give me the quarterback of your past, but not your future, Kyler Murray. And you'll have a really high draft pick this year, obviously because Mac Jones will help sink the rest of your season or Josh or, you know, that defense. And then you'll also have the first round pack that I'm going to send you. And guess what?

I won't play Kyler this. year. So the Patriots will tank and you'll get a very high pick from New England as well. You'll pick probably two picks in the top five and that will accelerate your rebuild and I get the quarterback to save my Patriots career and break that evil Don Shula's record. I'm intrigued. I was going to say no. I was going to hang up the phone. But we don't have a whole lot going on here actually. And Kyler, moving Kyler, probably not a bad idea. I promise a full tank on this end as well. You have my word.

In blood. I'm going to need blood brothers here. If you need it in blood, I will give you my blood. All right. Make sure you send a little can of your blood over and then we'll make this official. All right. A little bit weird, but okay. That's how we do business here.

Okay. I'll get an intern on that. All right. Nice. Whoa. How about that? Strange. That's a monster deal.

You kind of wonder if the Patriots have been. stiffing around a big transaction these past a couple of weeks. Now, let's talk about how realistic it is that Kyler gets moved. It doesn't seem impossible, right? If they've internally decided they're rebooting and if they could fetch another first rounder and Bill, like, he desperately needs an actual difference maker a quarterback and he gets a, that buys him another year. It makes sense.

It does. But also the Cardinals have affected his trade value. with the whole thing that they put in his contract with him not being like responsible for working. What was the price here? First round pick. It's Mack Jones a first and a third. How

is Kyler Murray going to get along with Bill Belichick, those personalities? I think it can work. You hear Bill Belichick with a lot of different personalities. I think that's exactly what Kyler needs. Honestly. It's interesting. It's it is strange. It also is like a match in terms of

their relationships that you could see happening. That's how a lot of these happens. It's strange the 15 years Monty spent working for Bill Belichick didn't come up at all in the call, but I could see the mentor boss relationship or the fact that Monty Austin Fort was the temporary

host of sports show Sunday mornings on KUMM-89.7 the U-90 alternative at one point. Well, that's in the past. That's all the past now. Old career. There are no reverse gears. We're living in the here and the now. Interesting. Wow. That's a good one.

Colleen, you're up okay so I am Pete Carroll and I'm calling Greg as Joe Shane because we're just going to keep in character from earlier oh oh wow what was the Joe Shane Joe Shane I was very close to your regular voices yeah let's go okay here we go it's Joe it's Joe it's Pete C and Seattle. How are we doing today? Good, great. That's wonderful. I don't have a lot of time here before John Schneider gets back from his coffee roasting studio up in Fremont, but this is important, Joe, so I need you to listen, okay? Love it. All right, I want you to close your eyes

for a second. Take a deep breath. I want you to imagine yourself on Draft Day. This rookie class, it's got some dogs in it. The type of talent that the New York Giants Foundation was built on and now there you are with some extra cloud

on draft day some picks to play with I like this keep talking the only thing you got to do though what am I wearing pleats khaki pleaded pants

and a button down generic shirt yes it's weird took a turn it's blue it's a blue shirt. Only thing you got to do though is send us

Leonard Williams. Okay. Listen, two and four it ain't cutting it in the NFC East. Julian Love told us all about 99. We know about him, the good and the bad. Like, listen, your guy he's been injured, his production

has dropped over the past two years. Do you really need them? We could take them off your hands. Send you a fifth. that can turn into a fourth, depending on how many snaps you place. I mean, what was the bad here? I was all excited about the pleats and the,

with that button down, but, listen, I got a gum guy calling me in five, so. I mean, that's not even, what's the point? That's the point. That's spare change. Joe Shane loses that getting onto the subway every morning. We'll give you a fourth that could turn into a third. This is a starting defensive.

tackle that we've given a massive contract to. I'll do it for us a third that would turn into a second, no less. The only reason I'm considering it his age, he is going to be a free agent and I

don't believe in Daniel Jones, but no one knows that. It's the Mara's. We won't go higher than a third. I won't do it then. Gum guys calling. Got to go. Oh. You know, Pete is like edging into his mid-70s and you know, I think

maybe he misread Williams' market. I mean, he's a big time players, though. He's a good player. I do think he would be very tradable. But to Dan's or whoever it was on the phone earlier, that's where the compensatory pick the compensatory pick

comes into Joe Shane's mind. That was Brian Daibel on the call. Yes. It was my buddy, Brian. It was me, actually, that knew the compensatory pick, Joe Shane. It gets a little confusing. That's where, you know, is it really worth a third when I'm going to get a Leonard Williams would absolutely

net you a confidential right there. Well, this is why Pete Carroll's not a GM. It's like you're so serious minded, but you've also just let all Giants fans know that if you're Joe Shane, all we really need to do is dress you up in imagination and strange clothing. There was a little bit of a... Oh, it's just exciting. It's a little bit of gink slipped into that

combo. It's very uncomfortable. Imagine it on draft day. He's just excited to see Tyrod back there, the quarterback he brought from Buffalo. He loves him. What a moment. Full circle. Mm-hmm. All right.

Let's go to Greg. Okay. I'm pivoting here. Let's do Mark, Mike Rable. You're Mike Rable. I've always been Mike Rable. And I'm going to be calling Sean McDermott in Buffalo, played by Dan Hansis. Okay.

wait before you do it why have you all what do you mean like as like internally as a human yeah just me and him are like kind of similar energy symbiotic yeah they got that uh hello uh damn it's me it's me Mike uh wait is this Sean is this Sean McDermott It's Sean. Who is it? Oh, my God. This is Mike. Mike who speaks? This is Mike Rabel.

Oh, what's up, Braves? I'm sorry, man. I'm just going through some things right now. This has not been what I expected the season to be. I'm feeling a little bit of heat, to be honest with you, because a very important year for my organization, and I'm now calling the plays. I don't really have, I'm going to start looking at me

if I don't figure out something here. So it's good that you called me because I was actually thinking about you too. You're four and three, Sean. How many years have you been in the NFL, snap out of it? I know, I know, I know, I know. Just, you know, you know, you've been watching what's been going on up here. Grow a pair.

All right. Stop bullying me. I'm flying high. I just was nominated to the Patriots Hall of Fame. Because I know the season isn't won or lost by week seven. I'm in it to win it. I'm in it for the long haul. Mike, your team stinks.

Let's be honest. Well, we are looking towards the future in some ways. and that's why I called you with a chance to potentially upgrade your team. You caught me at a good time here because I've been on quite a bender since Sunday. You have a TNF Thursday night game this week, Sean.

I'm worried about you. Wait, what? Newsflash. I was planning to call the Ravens with a similar offer and I hear they got Sequin Barclay. That hasn't been released yet. So this trade no longer made any sense.

going to Baltimore but I have a guy that you've struggled to stop over the years that's your little zone defense I already told you I'm in a bad mood and you're bringing up bad memories and oh like we're going to stop the pass so you guys can run the ball

hey sometimes you got to run the ball sometimes it is 1984 and you got to be tough and I got the toughest running back that you've ever seen Derek Henry and I think his time with Tennessee we love him he's still a great player

but I think it's coming to an end. We love this kid, Tajay Spears, from Tulane. We love everything about Tulane. The 23rd ranked. Ah, yes, the green wave. Yes, of course. Underrated home stadium. Terrific football program on the rise.

Derek Henry comes in, gives you a little ying to your James Cook, Yang. I kind of like, Thunder and Lightning. Lettavius has done a pretty nice job for us. I like Latavius and what he brings. Oh, Latavius, Murray. How many teams has he been on in the last six years?

He's like a used trash can. Oh, geez. Mike, you're a little rough around the edges. I've got to be honest with you. And I haven't really ever confronted you on it, but it's time to have a conversation. Everyone's talking about it that you're kind of a dick. It got me this far.

You don't question what gets you to success. I've been to the playoffs. I've made it far. I've been a champion with the Super Bowl Patriots. All right. Well, yeah,

as a player. But okay, so I like Derek Henry. Obviously, he's going to the Hall of Fame. And yes, I'm in a bit of a minor, low-key panic

about the state of my team. I didn't even know we had a game on Thursday, so that kind of tells you where I'm at. Second round pick for Derek Henry. Second round pick. All right. How much money is owed to Derek?

Because I have to check with my cap people. we recently hired Jennifer Garner's character from Draft Day as our capologist and I need to connect with her. He is in the final year of a contract he's got voids

coming up the last two years this is a rental but I've already spoken with him he loves the whole scene in Buffalo what you guys are building he wants to be part of a winner and you for a two second round pick

the thunder and the lightning Lendo White and Chris Johnson except he's way better than Lendo White but he would be that you just gotta think he's the big you know that's usually like the fast guy and the fatty You've been drinking Mike again?

Nope, never Jet lag How about a conditional three that becomes a two if we get to the Super Bowl? I'll give you either a 20, 25, 2, or a conditional 3 that becomes a 2. If Derek Henry scores, wait, no, you could control how many touchdowns. How about if you make the conference championship?

Super Bowl is a little rich for my blood. All right, deal. We'll do that. And tell Derek we're very excited to happen. I can't wait to tell. Are you all right, Mike? Because I know I'm having my own issues, like just dealing with some depression issues. but you seem a little bit off the handle right now.

These checks are cash in either way. Guaranteed contract for coaches. Let's go, baby. All right, Mike. See ya. Wow, all right. Another, I think that is a sensible trade. Yeah.

Let's bring in Eric Roberts, the Bills fan behind the glasses. He's wearing a Bills cap. You, I would imagine if I'm a Bills fan, I'd be pumped if that comes down from Rapsheet. Definitely. Next week. Oh, I'd be ecstatic. What if you heard the entire recorded conversation? Then how would you feel?

How did you feel about the future? I feel like I just did, and it was very entertaining. All right, well, okay. I feel like we proposed this trade last year when we did do the gym. I think it was Derek Henry did the bills. There was definitely an episode where we floated something. And maybe, I forget, like something you want to see. Yeah, I really talked about it.

I remember Claibon was on the show, and he was talking about the idea of a guy staying with the team, which for his whole career, which would be cool if Henry was, and he sets all the records for Tennessee. they give him a statue would be cool but this would also be his probably and let's face tennessee's in a different place now his last chance to get a ring i think it all makes sense i like when that buyer trade happened i thought i thought henry ravens or maybe like henry bills or henry ravens makes a lot of sense they already got sequins they just freed up some cap space too i think they uh um to like transferred uh dion dockins to some signing bonus stuff freed up like three mills

They can move money around. They can do stuff on that. I think there's something that ruin. I think it's more likely a receiver for them, but Henry would be fun. I like when McDermott ask Rable, have you been drinking? And Rable says, never. In immense lie from everything that we know. All right, close it out, Mark.

All right. This is Saints Attachie Mickey Loomis. Attachie. I mean, we'll get to it. Tough start. Calling up Vikings general manager, Kese, Adolfo, Mens. Who would be played by Colleen. Sorry to pull you back into the fray, Colleen.

Okay, here we go. We're almost at the finish line there. So close. So close. There's always next year. Hello. It's Mickey. Mickey.

How you doing today? Having a great day. I feel this intense passion for the Pelicans. I'm down here at the smoothie king center. I love smoothie king center. It's a great place. It's a great place. When I'm not working on the Pelicans,

you know, I think people say, okay, any multitask. I have been deeply involved with a personal project. You're the king of multitasking. I can do it all. And I have a book coming out. The published date will be, it sounds like March, 2024. It is in a fascinating topic, Mickey is so able to grasp these topics. I'd love to get a pre-sale version.

I'll send it to you. It is, I think it would be good for. children too. It takes a look at nursery rhymes that we grow up thinking that they meant one thing. This is what I want. I was thinking how I have a void in my life with nursery rhymes and this is it.

Let me give you just a couple examples of what I've been working on. And you know, there's a football aspect to this too that we'll get to a minute. We'll get to it. Sure. So you've heard this one before I bet. Georgie Porgy pudding in pie, kiss the girls and made them cry. We know that part happened. When the girls came out

to play, Georgie Porgy ran away. He ran away. Right. That was his first mistake. You're thinking it's a boy running across a meadow. This is the kind of thing I'm going to uncover this book. It's actually, Georgie Porgy is believed to be George Villers, the first Duke of Buckingham, lover to both King James I and Anne of Austria, the consort of France, who was also married

to French King Louis the 13th. So we thought it was a story about a boy running around sticking his finger in a mincemeat pie, British, but we can't be sure now. No. We can't be sure. We don't know what he was up to. I love a royalty story. I'm going to give you one other examples.

Taking things and pies. That's, yeah, well, I don't know who those are other people on the line are, but welcome to the conversation. What other rhymes you have there? Let's see. I have this one. How about this? There's so many good ones.

Because Georgie Porgy, I get that. That's relatable to me. It's perfect. This one will relate to other people. Peter, Peter, pumpkin eater had a wife and couldn't keep her. He put her in a pumpkin shell, and there he kept her. very well. Sounds quaint. Sounds like a problem.

Research suggests that it is a problem. I spoke to University of North Texas English professor Justin Jones, who told me this. The gist of this nursery rhyme is that Peter, Peter is an overbearing individual who needs to find a way

to control the appetites of his wife suggested that they were sexual appetites by more or less keeping her his own personal prisoner. Well, that's tragic. This is for children? this is for adults to read this is for you to read anyways I got a lot going on here

I have more to read but I feel like this segment is dive bombing so I'm going to actually get to my point Well Mickey what can I do for you today That hasn't stopped us at all today so far We have a similar We can do one maybe after I'm worried about the wife and the pumpkin shell

But continue Well that also was six or seven hundred years ago So she's old news at this point But we both have something I think we don't want after this season. I am going to be honest. Is it Dennis Allen? Well, we'd be happy to throw in Dennis Allen

with what I'm about to suggest. Kirk Cousins, he's on the way out. He's on. He's on. So, like, I am saying that if you want to make, hey, right now, you give us Kirk Cousins and we will give you a second round pick and Derek Carr, who we don't like.

So you can take, you'll have Derek. Carr under contract, and I know you guys are going through a little bit of rebuild. I'll say this about Derek Carr. What a great teammate he is. He's perfect for a roster and flux. He's been through a lot of changes in his previous stop to where he is now. A change here wouldn't hurt him we

feel like. It wouldn't hurt us. We feel like Kirk Cousins, or Derek Carr in a second, for your Kirk Cousins. And we solve all these off-season issues that are going to bubble up anyways. You know, Kirk Cousins, he really showed us something the other night against the Niners. And now all of a sudden,

Things are looking up for the Vikings and the NFC. And I'm not sure I'm ready to say goodbye to Kirk Cousins. You know, I did his extension. We have this relationship. So I'll take your nursery rhyme book. But I'm not taking your quarterback. And I'm certainly not taking your head coach. Isn't that recency bias?

Like he's played a couple good games. Like the overall experience of Kirk Cousins. Maybe you should have called me last week. Why didn't my phone ring then? Well, whether or not you take the deal, I still have my book that's coming out in March of 20. So shove off Quessie. Kitty likes the scratch.

Wow. I was in the middle of reading what I was going to do with that. It was like, this is going... No, terribly. I think it's going great. I want to hear the other nursery rhymes. The other nursery rides.

Yes, please. How many did you write? I literally did a lot of research on this. So we've heard this one before. Mary, Mary, quite contrary. How does your garden grow with silver bells and cockleshells and pretty much and pretty maids all in a row?

That also sounds pretty problematic. But it is actually about Mary Tudor, who was called Bloody Mary. According to the UK Chronicles, she was a very pious Catholic. And this is about her essentially destroying Protestants, women, men, children. That's what that nursery rhyme is now? Yes, it's not what we think. Then this last little one, little boy blue, come blow your horn. The sheep's in the meadow, the cows and the corn, weird.

But where's the boy who looks after the sheep? He's under a haystack, fast asleep. Will you wake him? No, not I. for if I do, he's sure to cry. This is about Cardinal Thomas Wolsley, who was an arrogant, wealthy, self-made man and had many enemies in England.

After obtaining his degree from Oxford at the age of 15, he was dubbed the boy bachelor. The words come blow your horn likely refer to as incessant bragging. I can almost hear Wes laughing at this. I don't think it was bombing. I don't think it was great. I was just trying to interrupt the...

I think you know how it feels to be when you're doing those? You're thinking, like, this might be going off track. I think it's fantastic. Amongst the strangest moments in the history of the show. And I think that's a good thing. And I love it. Yeah. All right.

Don't doubt yourself. Uh-uh. Like, I was like, I'll typically just keep rolling when I can tell things of variable nature to myself. But it's like, that was, I was, I did get into it. You're really taking us inside your mental process. Because there was so much more to do. And I was like, this is getting worse and worse. It's like, real good.

I also think it's, um, it's, great, you know, window into the mind of Mickey Loomis. Yes, that's the accuracy part. Seems a little scatterbrains. He's got a lot going on. He's got a lot of projects. That is actually the Smoothie King Center. I don't watch a lot of NBA, but that is a real place.

Well, we know that. I know. I figured you would. But if you're a listener, I didn't know that. We knew that part. They're good. They're good little program there with the Pelicans. I don't think he's working quite as much for him. That also is an insane trade because as Kirk Cous hasn't is way better.

That was actually the craziest thing that came out of that comma. He also has a no trade clause. He supposedly told them, there's a lot of issues with it. He told them he would not want to go to the Jets. Not that the Jets even showed any interest, but preemptively, he was like, I don't want to leave in the middle. I'm a control freak. I don't want to have to learn a new offense.

I negotiated this no trade clause. I'm staying here. You guys can choose what to do with me. That makes so much sense because why would Kirk Cousins ever want to go to a place when Aaron Rogers is threatening to return in December? Like, holy God, what a mess. I think we've learned a lot and I think we were entertained along the way

I hope so I hope so and if you and if you pair this with our Monday trade deadline primer I think you're pretty well set up for what's going to come on Tuesday

yes totally based in reality mostly this I think just keep listening to this over and over restate the conversation you're educated on that you'll be the smartest one at the bar and Colleen we want to thank you for being a trooper because, yes, your Philadelphia baseball team,

things didn't go the way you had hoped. It's so terrible. Sports are so awful. I don't know why I do this to myself. I don't know why anyone does this to themselves. Why we get so invested. And most of the time, we're just set up to fail. And the teams that we love so much just break our heart.

Oh. And here we are. I feel you, you're a true. Are you about to cry? No. Dan feels so much sympathy for you that he asked. for a sad song. I could go on.

And honestly, if I kept talking about the Phillies, I probably would cry because this is not how I was supposed to go at all. That was such a devastatingly terrible loss. And, like, of course, a team that is run on solely home runs for the offense is not sustainable for a full season. But, like, when you go 0 for 1,000 with runners in scoring position, this is absolutely going to happen. And Jason Zumwalt is texting me the whole time about the debacks.

Zumi, come on. Show some restraint. You said before you came up here that you had, had some extra time in the women's locker room and you just sat there in the dark it wasn't in the dark but sat there alone and quiet and said that we were running a little behind schedule so I had an extra half hour and how I spent it was just going and sitting alone by myself and staring for a half hour in the locker room it's a really dark day it's why Connie you're a real one I could empathize with you and it will be better each day the past

will be a little bit better than the one before. Thanks, guys. Well, until it happens next time, but yeah. Maybe. At least you got, I don't mean that in a negative way, but that's just a reality of it. Hey, I'm done. No, I'm quitting sports. You got the Eagles.

You got the Eagles. You got the Eagles. You can't have them all. All right. All right. Good stuff. Thank you everybody for checking things out. We will be back on Thursday with our preview of week eight.

We also have the QB Index special up. And NFL Plus returns as well on Thursday. And a TNAF recap. Oh, my God. And there will be some sleep in there. Teeth the call. This is an I-heart podcast.