NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Zach Wilson Traded and Go Get My Lunch Draft Edition

Episode Date: April 22, 2024

In a room full of heroes - Dan Hanzus, Gregg Rosenthal, and Marc Sessler give you the 2024 NFL Draft edition of Go Get My Lunch. The heroes start the show by reacting to the news that Zach Wilson has been traded to the Broncos (03:12), they also discuss Jayden Daniels' visit with the Commanders (12:28) and Matt Ryan's retirement (20:57). The guys wrap up the show by putting lunch on the line when they make their predictions about the 2024 NFL Draft (34:33). Note: time codes approximate. NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Mark Sessler also there. And we have reached draft week. It's finally here. We can, we can, we're just days away from knowing where all these young men will be. Not quite there yet, Mark. No. We are almost home. Well, no, because, you know, this week we have the mock draft that I'm creating coming up.

The Mock Sessler, Marks, that's when we will know where they're going. Then the actual draft will just confirm that the next day. This is a dangerous part of the draft cycle like today, Monday, maybe Tuesday of draft week. It was this time one year ago that the Vegas favorite to go number two overall was a gentleman by the name of Will Levis. There was also some movement that the Carolina Panthers might actually take Will Levis with the number one overall pick. and the numbers in Vegas moved to he wasn't the favorite but the odds were getting closer and closer that there was a chance that man did not get taken in the first round of them no no and and that's bad look for the desert good context well they're just trying to get people to pay i know i like that's

where we come in yes right and we got your back in these days leading up to the draft uh we will parse through all the hooey and applesauce. And it's our job, Mark, in a way, to let our listeners know what matters and what doesn't. Yeah, I think we're the portal and the prison that you'd want to look through for the truth versus what is a lot of white noise out there and unreliable reporting and whispers, Greg.

Wow, yeah, I'm remembering that stuff about... Noise from all different cultures. I just want to point out, not just what... That term is not racial. It just means sort of like a fog of war type information drop. Also, you know, a powerful Don DeLillo book, a... It starts well. Yeah, a confusingly, like, disappointing movie.

You know, not my favorite by what's his name? Why am I spacing? Noah Bomb Back? Noa Bomb Back. But still we're... Adam Driver. What film were we referring to? White noise.

White noise. White noise. Was it Netflix? And this has been Steve Palazzozby at the old PFF podcast. On Twitter, he's been pointing out what the odds were at this point a year ago. C.J. Stroud was a five to one most likely to get the second overall pick. Tyree Wilson was also far more likely at this point, according to the odds, than C.J. Stroud going number two overall.

So it just shows. Part of our job here is our segment coming up. tradition. It's one of my favorite shows of the year. It is Go Get My Lunch. You atomic turd. You know what I mean? Like where we make predictions about what's going to happen

on Thursday, perhaps Friday, Saturday. And if we are correct and you are doubted, you end up getting hypothetical sandwiches. So that's cool. Yes? We have some breaking news. Breaking news. I'll hit it.

Breaking news. Love it. Former number two overall pick of the New York Jets, Zach Wilson is on the move. Hey. According to Ian Rappaport. The rap sheet. He's going to the Broncos.

Sean Payton, the deal includes a late round pick swap. Sixth for a seventh. And the Jets will also have to pay some of Wilson's $5.5 million. That's what this is about. The Jets were holding out hope that they could find someone to eat some of this money and apparently at least some of the money i believe it's over five million uh do uh so he goes to the broncos and uh that is uh there are there are after the aaron rogers achilles incident it changed me fundamentally i no longer view things with uh rose colored glasses

as a jets fan okay uh but the only time they want to know well yes but we're not there yet um but Zach Wilson is the one outlier for me as a Jets fan. It never felt right. It never felt right. I remember draft day. It was in the middle of COVID. Kind of being like, okay, they seem to really like him. We remember the throw from his pro day. He's a little small. He's a little bit of a pretty boy. He played for BYU. He didn't really face anybody of worth in a strange

COVID season, but you kind of just, you said, okay, Joe Douglas, we like Joe Douglas and he's hot about this pick. That was always Joe's guy, Wilson. It was a disaster. And then when Rogers did get hurt, he ended up getting three full seasons as a starter, which doesn't happen. A guy that's bad from the jump getting three years doesn't happen. That wasn't the Jets plan either. Their plan was for Rogers to be the QB and him to be groomed on some level.

Obviously, that all fell apart as well. So the, the Broncos, good luck to Zach Wilson. He always seemed like a pretty good guy that got put in a tough spot and, and did his best, but wasn't good enough. I don't know if Sean Payton can fix him, but the Jets getting him out of the building entirely makes a lot of sense for them. It's another big misstep in franchise history of quarterback,

and now they move forward once more. I mean, absolutely needed for the player to start there. Just like there's no way that the Jets, the Jets locker room, the Jets coaching staff, Zach Wilson could endure another like regular season drama that involved him on any other.

And he got replaced as the backup quarterback already by Tyrant. Yeah, he had to go. I mean, you know, if you want to talk about truth for the draft. I think the Denver's, you know, they've been pre-supposed to be heat-seeking a quarterback in the draft. Don't need to now, Greg. I don't think it changes their strategy. They needed a third guy along with Jarrett Stidham. Ben Danucci is also on that roster. I would put Zach Wilson probably over him. If he was ever going to rehab his career, Zach Wilson. And at this point, I think it'd be a good outcome for him if he has a good career as a backup and he's still in the

league in five years. I don't think you should assume that. But if he wants to have that sort of career, Sean Payton's a good guy to get him pointed in the right direction. It's a reminder, though, that the draft industrial complex, it's tough. It's like there weren't many. Almost no one was out on a limb being like, no, I don't see Zach Wilson as a number two pick. They weren't even say, no, I don't see him as a first round pick. Like, everyone was in on Zach Wilson. It wasn't, it wasn't just the Jets. Yeah. And a famous or infamous, depending on perspective. Jets late season win over the Rams in LA caused

them not to have the first overall pick. So just looking back again, this is a good draft to periodically check back in because this is a big time quarterback draft. And on Thursday we're probably going to get three straight quarterbacks taken 2021 same thing. Trevor Lawrence goes number one. Jury's out. He's a good quarterback. Is he a great one? We don't know. Zach Wilson two. Tray Lance

three. That's maybe the worst two, three ever in NFL history for quarterbacks. That would be an interesting wormhole to go down. And then, of course, you had Justin Fields at 11, not with his team anymore. And Mack Jones at 15, not with his team anymore. So that's just, it's just Trevor in those top 15 picks, five quarterbacks. Only Lawrence is still with his original team. Well, that like, I know a couple weeks ago, I sounded overly cynical about the quarterbacks in this draft, the draft in general. And it

was like, no, no, no, you're supposed to be infused with hope at this point. But the reality is like all these quarterbacks we're talking about, two of them probably flame out on some level. The red flags seem so obvious now with Zach Wilson. No. No. They're all going to be great. Stop. It seems obvious now. It's like, oh, yeah. How did everyone fall in love with Zach Wilson? Like, he faced no pressure at EYU. He's protected so well. He's in this lower level. You know, how did we not see that Trey Lance wasn't going to be this guy? And I just pushed back on that because, like, no, almost no one was pushing back at the time. So you can say that now that like, oh, it's obvious that there were red flags.

Very, very few analysts said, like, no, I wouldn't take these guys at the first round. Everyone was got to take Zach Wilson. If anything, it was the opposite. The Eagles wanted to trade up for Zach Wilson. Right. I think, like, during, even after his, you know, shaky start, there were still people.

It kind of reminds me of Sam Brad or Sam, Sam, Sam Darn a little bit too, where it's like, there are these people with their dug-in heels on these quarterbacks. And, like, if you have the draft stock of going number two, someone else out there's going to think they can make something out of you, no matter what's happened. And can Sean Payton do it? If he can, then he's going to be able to do all sorts of other things

because that would be a slight miracle. He can move. He could throw the football like, you could throw the hell out of a football. Everything else has been a mess. And he never really aced the test whether from the neck up, whether he can handle. He was a little better as a third year player to the point where you're like, okay, maybe he can settle in as a Drew Locke improving backup type. Maybe we'll see.

For a little bit there. And then it got so bad that they were playing guys that were. street guys before they tried to go back to him or did go back to him then he got hurt just let's close the chapter we move on uh all right anyway so good start we got a nice lead news item there uh wednesday the mock sessler mark draft shout out to a listener who put that on my radar like why did we not come up with that uh in previous years i'd put the finger of blame at myself number one there and i always try to add something a little bit new to the mock sessler mark draft we're going to have a guest of high esteem in this world

that's going to be involved with the process. Not with the picks. That's your job. Right. And I encountered this guest to be in the newsroom and we kind of hashed out a little bit about how it's going to go. And I've got to have some other surprises, new elements that happen.

I don't like that. He doesn't want anyone. Right. He wants to be the puppet man. I will have the conversation about how it will go. I am a human being who is allowed to speak to other people. human beings. Well, I was doing.

Wait a minute. You're trying to control the segment. No, no, no, no, no. Like, if anything. But you just worry about your 32 picks. How often are you like, why aren't we like, our newsroom culture is a bit challenged

these days? It's kind of quiet in there. It's like, I'm in there trying to talk. We have a newsroom here? Yeah, I talked with David Ealy, talked with this guest. It's like, that's what you do in a news room. I'm just saying. Share ideas.

I think talking is great. Yeah. Communication's great. But you got a 32 pick draft to figure out. And then tugboats got some other things around that episode to figure out. Okay. I'll stand off. I'm not going to come into your mock draft.

I'm going to be like Sessler in the fantasy spectacular and just hanging out, not knowing what I'm doing, the corner. All right, let's hit the rest of the news. I'm M&M. This is Roger Goodell, and we are so fired up this year for the NFL draft. Live from the D. You can just say Detroit. That's what I said.

You said the D. Detroit. Am I being punked? D Pretty good acting by Rogg in a big spot. Yeah. Enjoyed it. Eminem aging.

We had maybe a minor disagreement. I feel like Eminem is aging. It was starting to look a little odd there. Now he seems to look more his age in a natural way. I know that he has undergone some, like, health journeys to try to improve his overall health. And I thought he looked good there in that clip. I thought so, too. Healthy.

The facial hair, like, adds an L. limit to right there was a phase where he had a very dark black beard and i don't know i didn't i wasn't sure what was happening it was like a i had some tom brady uh disney teacup questions for a while there but you're down on his looks greg no i don't know i don't want to be put in that position privately burying i think uh it's been big the i think between the lions and the by by barry doc and now we got the draft like m&m NFL it's a thing we just need to deliver a super appearance here by these lions. Absolutely. Let's get

into the latest around the draft. Let's start with something that kind of broke a couple days ago and just keep an eye on it. So Jaden Daniels, we talked about it on the podcast last Wednesday. It was reported that Daniels widely believed to be

the number two overall pick on Thursday was going to visit the commanders who have the number two overall pick. And then it was kind of weird because there was what, three other quarterback prospects all bunched into the schedule at the same time and everyone you know at first blush you're like oh that's a little odd what is why the commander's doing that then you have jaden daniel's agent uh liking some tweets pointing out or criticizing the commanders

for their their strategy in terms of having visits uh which you know connects directly to the player then you have adam shefter on the mackafee show uh which we would play but we're not allowed to play clips on the Pat McAfee show without paying like $5 million. So I'll just tell you that Adam Schaefter says that maybe Daniels of yet his choice wouldn't want to play in Washington, which then he tries to walk back that subsequently. However, Gregi, once you make that statement and you're Adam Schaefter that is going to take on a life of its own. So now there's this idea like this Eli Manning, 04 Chargers vibe.

Could that possibly happen? We'll see. I don't think so because Jane Daniels. and the agent have come out sort of since this popped up and tried to quiet it down. Daniels was on Ocho Sinko's podcast with Shannon Sharp.

By the way, we still have that plan. We're lowering the amount of player podcast to 70. Okay. And just Chad get it? Well, they're former players. We're going to. Well, you clumped them on into the same.

What, 70 active player podcast, Greg? That's what? Just players. I mean, yeah. Do you want to make a former players and bump it up to this? 85? Sure. Okay, deal. Yeah, Shannon Sharp, who...

But you're actively listening to these podcasts that we're about to cancel, so I don't know. No, not that one. This was from an aggregator. That, I believe it was from pro football talk. That noted Jaden Daniels was quoted on the record in a pod that just came out, I think is Sunday or Monday, saying, I'm going to go, I want to go

wherever I'm drafted. That's where I want to go. And so I think publicly, it's fine. The situation was weird. I've heard speculation just, you know, might just be something where it's all, you know, whether you want all the executives, if it's ownership, like they're all there on one day and you can only get them all to, you know, you only get ownership to show up that one day, whatever. It would, it's a strange, strange story. It gives you vibes from the

old commanders, but ultimately it sounds like they're going to take their guy. Adam Peters, their GM said, you know, he all but shut down that they would trade out of the pick. He's like, we feel very strong that we're going to, we're going to take the pick. Here was the quote from Schaefter, Mark, on Macfee. I think Daniels thought he was going to get more face time there than he actually did. It didn't exactly, it didn't work out exactly that way, but Jaden Daniels knows that he can't control where he goes in the draft, and his opinion doesn't matter where he wants to go. It's all up to the team. I think this, I think this blows over. There were, by the way, 22 players at this meeting with the, with the commanders. And they took them to play

top golf. And I heard where this became absurd to me was like, if you're Jaden Daniels and you're not a golfer, maybe you feel like you're not being put in the best light. But have you ever been to Top Golf? Like kids do Top Golf. I think Jaden Daniels, a soon-to-be pro football player, would thrive at Top Golf. And you're just sitting there eating chicken wings

and drinking beers. Well, let's Here's the thing about golf. If you don't have any golfing experience, I don't care how good an athlete you are, you're going to struggle. I know, but I suck at golf and I went to Top Golf and it was like, I don't need to be, I think you're right. The activity matters, but

there were a bunch of people there. There have been Bill Belichick told the Maccify show that it's not unusual to bring a bunch of people in, but I do think it's different for a quarterback and I think it's fair to feel like if you want to be courted and you want to get to know an organization that's been a wayward organization for a long time. When you're looking at other

teams, like he is, Jaden Daniels is very tight with Antonio Pierce, and he's talked about the Raiders in a certain way that make you wonder if, like, if he had his choice, he has to come say what he's saying, I'll be happy to go anywhere. But like, I don't think in general that this happens unless the commanders are a little bit suspect to him compared to other landing

spots that could emerge, but he's going to get taken by them, I think, and then you just got to put a smile on your face. Right. The fact is that Chester specifically had talked about before any of this happened that if it was maybe up to Daniels, there's some other places that he was maybe the next team picking. How'd you do in top golf? I mean, I did fine. I mean, you seem to insinuate that even though you're not a golfer, you were hitting the targets. I am a I mean, I would say... Accumulating point. I thought it was fun because, like,

60% of my shots were an absolute disaster, but then, like, just out of luck, you kind of peg one, like, way down the... Sure. You feel great. You feel good. And you're, like, you're, like... A few things make a dad feel better than you go to the top golf

and you put one off the back net. Just with, like, residual dad strength. And it's like, deal with that. Little Monsters. And it dream to be as good as me. That's... I do, like... I like playing sports against small children in general.

Yes. Yeah, we share that. We share that. All right. In other news. What was the ding for? Because you are expecting you and your wife. You're looking forward to hammering your son.

No, that was a great conversation about top golf. I agreed with everything you say. I suck a golf and you just go and hit the hell out of a golf ball. Right. It's good nature. And there's always a little kid and you just get a hold of one. I don't have a child personally yet. Right.

but everything you guys said Not that you know of. No, no. No. The top golf, the top golf conversation. He was like, well, let's see count Larry. Yeah. Top golf is a perfect conversation.

I agree with everything. Great. A perfect conversation. ETP. The other thing about Top golf, look out, by the way. Because you take your couple sons there, maybe your wife comes and they go, oh, here, get a couple apps, get a couple beers.

Oh, play for an hour. We walk out of there. It's like, where is my two rocks? They're gone. Well, I would, I would, I would, I would say your criticism. Like that that was that drained the wallet when I went. The commanders are like trying to show we're not cheap.

We'll take you to top golf. Here we go. We'll sponsor us. Probably not now. The Patriots, Gregi, they would need, according to a report, was a burp rear? It was Mike Reese. Mike Reese. A blockbuster offer to not take a quarterback at number three.

And that makes all the sense in the world, right? The few teams in the league when you just say, needs a quarterback more than anybody. New England Patriots, when you're sitting there and there's a couple of good options, they would have to get blown away. And that makes sense. It does. And yet there was a somewhat conflicting report from Diana Rossina of the athletic just

Monday morning saying that they're listening and that Elliot Wolf is running point, that Jonathan Kraft is potentially involved. And they have said essentially publicly, Elliot Wolf said it publicly just last week that, hey, we'll listen, we'll listen to anything. So you could see this as positioning. Part of the dance. Yeah, you could see this as positioning part of the dance.

And yet, I do believe that it would take something crazy for them to move off three. Why would you not? But they might also really prefer one quarterback to another, which would be a totally reasonable feeling. And if that quarterback's not there, then suddenly they're more open for business. I do wonder if Elliot Wolf and the whole crew, crew there would ever consider

trading up to number two and if they really think Washington's going to take their guy and Washington's in this weird situation potentially just with what's happened this week. Maybe none of it matters but like maybe they could flip flop and Washington still gets one of the top three guys but maybe not the guy they think doesn't want to play for them and New England

winds up with Jade and Daniels. Just as you never know. Look where we were a year ago with the draft. We annoyed it was going to happen and like weird stuff could only be good for the Patriots or any team that's maybe hoping to get Daniels that if there any any chance or something wonky there that would cause Washington to make a decision that could yeah let's say all right let's pause right here for a minute and uh take a break and then get

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All right, we're back. In other news, in other news, you know, you dream of drafting a quarterback like Matt Ryan. And I think everyone knows that I have a bit of a history of Matt Ryan. I had a habit of thrown for exactly 26 touchdowns when I drafted on my fantasy teams. But that's not what he should be remembered for. He should be remembered as one of the great quarterbacks of his era. he was and he's a former MVP and he uh ended his career not in such hot terms with the cults it was a forgettable end but a lot of great hall of fame level quarterbacks uh ended careers

with other teams in a poor manner so we don't remember from the for the fantasy seasons that didn't measure up we don't remember for we don't want to only remember for the super bowl in 283 or the cults let's remember matt ryan on this day that he retires from the NFL as a damn fine quarterback. I want you to know that every day I felt the responsibility to give you the best version of myself. While we didn't accomplish everything we had hoped, I am proud of what we did. And I know that I gave everything I could to be the best that I possibly could. You have no control in this profession of where you start. I am so lucky that my start And now my finish is here in Atlanta.

That was a, I think that's probably the future of how these careers end with a highly produced video shared with social. It's already happening, but watching it with Ryan made me think of that. Like things are different now than the old statement or calling the press conference. Although there's probably going to be a press conference. Ryan, Greg, came in as a highly touted first round pick for a team that was, you know, looking. desperately for a quarterback after the Michael Vick fiasco for the Falcons. He goes number three overall in 2008. And immediately it was a QB1 for them.

Well, they at the time famously had never had back-to-back winning seasons in franchise history. And when Matt Ryan arrived, his first five years, 11 wins, another winning season after that, he went 9 and 5 when he was the starter, 13 and 3, 10 and 6, 13 and 3. and you said we don't want to remember him just for the Super Bowl I guess I would just say he played very well

in that Super Bowl he went against the Bill Belichick defense which gave so much credit for shutting down Sean McVe and I know they were better in 2018 than they were in 2016 in terms of the defense and he lit them up

and his defense let him down and you could say the play calling let him down and he had a couple bad plays certainly in the second half but it was mostly his running back letting him down in terms of past protected He averaged 12 or 13 yards per attempt in the Super Bowl and was dominating the Patriots,

whereas if you're playing for any other team that doesn't fall apart in the way that their defense did, he's a Super Bowl champion, and he was great in that entire run. He was great in the NFC championship. He was obviously the MVP that season. And he was very rarely a top five quarterback. So I actually don't think he's a Hall of Famer.

He's going to be an interesting case. Someday I went back and looked at like the key. QB index rankings that we had for him. We only started in 2013, but he only finished top five once that MVP season. And then he was around eight or nine or ten, a couple other times. And he was more in the 10 to 12 range and putting up good numbers and a really solid quarterback year after year. But he should be a champion. And I hate that like you, he looked at. And I'm sure he feels so differently because that's how sports. You even hear it and what he said. Right. We didn't accomplish everything we wanted a direct illusion, obviously, to something that

he'll never shake. It, it reminds me. me a little bit different player, different statistical outputs, but the way you feel about Dan Marino's career, where it's like there was this one thing that never happened to Dan Reno, and it kind of leaves him at times out of certain conversations. It's just like Matt Ryan to me, though, if you're one of these teams this week picking a quarterback, you'd be so lucky to have this. He missed three games in 14 seasons with the Falcons. Like the durability. He's one of these guys that just like the rock, he's there every week, the durability. And I always found I couldn't get a grasp of Matt Ryan's personality

for like a decade plus. And when they were on Hard Knocks the one time, I thought he was one of the winners on that show where you started to see him differently. And like he was a true leader inside the building. And the cult season was a free, that's when I did QB Index. And that was a tough watch to track weekly

because that was Matt Ryan falling off a cliff. And I know he wanted to come back last year, but go do your announcing thing. You had a very excellent career with the Falcons. As his career went on and you started to learn more about him and read reports about him, that he was one of the more intense competitors ever. And he was not above really giving it to his teammates on the field.

A lot of hot mics will pick up. He was a guy that would get on you and chew you out. If you didn't do the job the right way. But Peyton Manning did the same thing as well. Remember, God damn it, Donald. Like, that's part of being. He was a true, tried and true QB1 franchise type starter. I think, because I'm with you, I think that he falls just a little bit short.

What if you had won the Super Bowl? Well, here's the thing. I was going to say two things. You finish off that game, and he did take an awful sack that contributed to that meltdown. But yeah, it was blown, blown. But he also had a,

what would have been one of the best throwing catches and Julio Jones' catches maybe even better. That was the same possession, though. Right, same possession. All I mean, though, is in any other scenario where you just hand the ball, you know, your coach,

you have a decent running game, you run it three times, you kick the field goal and you win. That has nothing to do with Matt Ryan, or you have a defense that makes a single stop, then, you know, then you're remembering that throw. So it's just tough how football works especially. If they finish that game off and he's got the, he won the MVP that year as well.

So you had the MVP, you would have a Super Bowl. And he finished with 381 touchdowns. And I know people don't care about nice round numbers anymore. We go a little deeper. But if he would have had a decent final run with the cults, he gets over 400 touchdowns. Those things that he just missed will keep him out of the hall probably. But Maddie Ice, also a great nickname, uh, had a awesome career. I will say you also had one of my favorite NFL throws of my entire fandom.

This happened a couple of years ago where, you know, he's trying to hit someone along the sideline, over through the receiver, and absolutely devastated a cameraman. I mean, the cameraman was lost, lost at sea for the rest of the week. You love that stuff. You love, I mean, it was just, it was unintentionally hilarious and caused problems. You love the juxtaposition of big, strong football players with normal people and what has. happens when they're either standing next to each other and something as innocuous as a photo being taken or getting run over or

being, you know, run past. Like, you just love that. You love that. Well, you know, when we're at those London games, there's a... Oh, you love that. No, but in the back of your mind, you're thinking, this is where I could get hit with a football. Oh, you love that. 70 miles. Come on, uh, ETP. He loves that. I love them. Thank you.

Top ten and yards and touchdowns, but those are, that's hard to yeah, hard to evaluate. All right. And finally in the news and other quarterback news, the NFL lost one of its MVP, another MVP, Roman Gabriel, a formal number two overall pick of the Los Angeles Rams in 1962.

And also the first Filipino American quarterback in the NFL died on Saturday. 83 years old. He did win league MVP in 1969. Natural causes died peacefully at home. He had an interesting career because he was drafted by the Raiders. in the AFL and the Rams and chose between the two teams to go to the Rams

and like I watched some stuff on him this weekend and he was 6-5, 220 pounds and now that's just like what you want in the quarterback you don't even but in 62 he was a bit of an outlier and he had like the strongest arm in the league for years in a row and after the Rams gave up on him he went to the Eagles and one comeback player

of the year like they were like done with him he didn't even really get started to like a sixth season but the one thing I like about him because it reminds me of Jim Brown a little bit is like he used L.A. to the max. Like he was on Wonder Woman. He was on Illigan's Island. He was on Perry Mason. He did a film with John Wayne

and Rock Hudson. He did a film with Jackie Gleason. Like, he basically like, he's like, I'm going to become one of the first like strong-armed gunslinging quarterbacks who's also a movie star. This is where I wish Wes was here. He would have some good Roman Gabriel takes. But that was, you filled in.

That's the response I'm looking. No, no, no, no. I'm just saying he would have some strange story that he read in a book but yeah he over index also you know one of the great Asian American

you know American sports stars of all time he was Filipino Irish by the way good combo you don't find that too often not often

but it's possible well yeah sure an Irish you know person and a Filipino person were to reproduce that what happens when they do

MVP it's got bingo it is interesting and yeah he was not a Hall of Famer compare him to Matt Ryan? You know, won an MVP, three, three all pro teams, four Pro Bowls, the exact same as Ryan. And he did not make the Hall of Fame. His resume looks a little stronger at the top

and then Matt Ryan's. And he did not make it. 11 years for the Rams, five years of the Eagles. Roman Gabriel, rest in peace. Let's take a break. And when we return, sandwich props. Hey, this is Matt Jones. Now, I'm Drew Franklin. And this is NFL cover zero. We're just here to try to give you an NFL perspective a little bit different. Did you see the Colts Pretzel? That was my other big takeaway from that game. What was that?

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No, we're keeping that. Welcome back to her out. I never know. You know, like, wait, hold on. So Colleen had to do that the other week. Can we clip that up? I want that. that one, too, as a... She received clear instructions on how to perform the task. I'm, you tell me during the break, let's come back with Mark, you know, coming out of the Bayside, and I'm trying to do a great job. And then it's like, I'm...

You're talking about right now? Yeah, I'm hooked again. Dan is weirdly, like, an offensive coordinator that actually sets up his players to fail and then laughs, like, it's just... No, you couldn't be more pleased with the outcome. I do not feel the same. There's something about this bit that continues to flummox you. because when we when I asked you to do the original one right um I was trying to get you just

to do uh what Greg had done which was a when I when I wasn't here though I did oh I didn't yeah well I was going in sight unseen right so then so so we got something different and now we have this where but you've been here for multiple shows where we're in a break and I'll say okay let's come back with you know Connie Bayside so I just did that but you thought I was cueing you but I was clearly queuing the... This is an example of you operating in your own space and thinking that it makes sense to person B

and person B is trying to do something fresh from their own mind and it's not... It's colliding. It is. And I'm sorry to the listeners. I think they're the ones that lose ultimately. All right, before we get into sandwich props, let's give some props to Trent Balke, who is the general manager of the Jaguars who found himself in the news cycle briefly

in the past week for, you know, I would say unusual reasons. Let's play it. We're not there yet. You know, we still got a couple of days going through. Coach and I haven't sat down and go, excuse me, gone through the final board yet.

We'll do that on Monday. That's so good. So good. It's kind of amazing. It's never happened before. It was so good. And he didn't stop what he was saying. He said, excuse me, That's the key.

He said, you could have gone, excuse me, could have gotten pardon me. Owned it. Very polite. And then continued his statement. It's draft season. That's the most important thing. I'm so excited about it. I can't control myself in the moment, but I will apologize for it.

I mean, if anything, I give him credit for just simply rolling through it. It's like, oh, are you a human being? Do these things happen to the physical body? Yes, they do. Let's keep talking about the draft. Yeah. Have you beefed? I mean, if you have not beefed, do not raise your hand.

I do love this headline, by the way. Can we put this on? TMZ decided, you know, you could create multiple headlines for this. Mock if you have not beefed. This is so TMZ. It's like Jaguars GM Trent Balky. And then it's a banger, all caps, farts during news conference with three question marks. Triple question mark in a big spot.

Then dot, dot, dot, fans convinced three slammers, fans convinced. I think we all saw what happened. He literally apologized for it in the moment. Yeah, there was no mystery to what went on there. But I think it's good. I think we should normalize this. It happens. We should start doing.

We're all human. It should happen more often. Yeah, I think we should be very cool about it. So congratulations to Trent Balke for relieving himself in a big spot. He sounds a lot like Marty Funkies, Houser. He does. Oh, you're right. I was thinking of that.

He who is without sin can cast the first stone. John 8.7, Mark. I think that's why if there's, if you want to point to a reason why that, raised was said thousands of years ago you'd look at this moment he who has not beefed can cast the first stone there you go no stones unless you were born like eight seconds ago

that applies to like every human all right now pivot point it's time it's time it's a tradition I love it we love it I think you love it the listeners

we are going to play a little game we call go get my sandwich, ya beefer. How about that sound? The biting sound, chewing. I don't like the word beefed, by the way. No, I don't even.

Makes you uncomfortable. No, it's just like, I think Greg, I guess, Greg stands right. What's wrong with it? What's the problem? It's a little too rich. I just have a, yeah, I just have an immediate reaction to it. Plus, I just, I love beef.

and so I just don't like mixing that up I got it I went to K town last night had some just delicious beef yes okay I'm just saying it's all connected in the way

it is so we go around we each make a prediction about what's going to happen in the draft a reminder I don't think we have to remind each other I think we all know at this point but just it's good to get it out there

we want to have all these buttoned up by the end of the draft the end of the seventh round on Saturday so we each. can then at the end of the Saturday show be able to say our sanguages owed our sandwich is not owed what are you talking about then sandwiches we each make a prediction and then the other two people get to say I agree or I disagree and if they disagree it's a sandwich prop bet a wager and then whoever is right collect

sandwiches we have all-time standings that you can check out at go get my lunch dot org and that has every single prop we have ever made and there's some whoppers draft season and as always you you must you must hang onions on at least one of your wagers i hope maybe uh you try these onions you'll like them the real sweet onions and what does that mean to hang onion mark sessler that means to you know don't give us a milk toast run-of-the-mill prediction about something vague or boring happening that we pretty much know will happen, go out there, create some spice, something disarming, something completely unpredictable, put yourself on the line, put your creative mind on the line, and see what happens, let it fly.

And shout out, as always, to Nick Fortier, who has been running the go get my lunch.org site for a long time, we did not do very well in the predictions last year. Greg, Mark, you hit one that Packers drafted at least four wide receivers slash tight end. I hit the Texan state number two and draft a QB, which you guys both took me on. I guess there must have been a lot of speculation. I just mentioned

that's right. That was plus 500. Moving on out. That's right. Anyway, so and then we got everything else literally wrong. So it's hard. Let's get started. Greg, why don't you get us going? Okay. Dan, if you listen to our Thursday show.

Loved it. Great up. With move the sticks. Didn't think that was probably the right move, but he's on the show and what can you do? He can't scrub it. We wanted to keep you guys separate, and I know it hurts you to listen to him. But if you did, you might have heard me just mentioned, because I've been trying to look around, you know, with my contacts inside the league. Let's be real.

Employees of this company. Let's be even more real, Ian. Yeah, I don't know, a lot of guys. A lot of guys, girls, all over the place. It's like, why is this guy Johnny Newton, who I'm fascinated with? I love the inclusive move there. That was good. But it's true.

I had a very specific, you know, I have been asking around looking for people to tell me that Johnny Newton is going to go higher than expected. And I can't really find it. So this is from, okay. This is from no other inside information other than what I see. Oh, here we go.

With my eyes. Here we go. When I turn on the tape and I see a top-notch player, a guy who can be a big time difference maker. And I think all these teams are staying quiet because they must see what I see when it comes to Johnny Newton. So then I went this morning and I checked out. Can you clarify of people that aren't totally aware of him?

Defensive tackle, Illinois. One of the top defensive tackles in the league. Big 10 defensive player of the year in 23. Mina sent me this link of, maybe I'll send it out of him in high school just doing the thing where it's ridiculous how much he's just destroying these kids in high school. Mark likes that. It did.

That is exactly what I'm looking at. I went and took, I checked, you know, a respected site out there. See where his over under is as we tape this on Monday heading into the draft. His over under for the draft is 31.5. I can't believe it. First of all, do not let this man get to the- What a start here. I love it.

And put him next to Chris Jones. I see that 31 and a half. That means they think maybe the chiefs are a team. Do not let this man fall. And so for the first time ever, I think at the draft, they're actually going to open up the stadium and they're going to combine a sandwich with a big-time rainstorm.

The rainmaker's coming out for the draft. He is getting taken before 31.5. I say it's way before, but it's way before all you need to get is 31.5. Johnny Newton. Did you not let the glass know that a rainmaker was coming? I did let him know. How else would they be able to play this? Yeah, but where's our graphic? I don't like that graphic, you know.

Oh. I don't like that guy. No, I'm kidding. I didn't ask for the graphic or not, but it's fine. We exist for that Rainmaker graphic. That's what we're here for. I love this. I love this.

Let's combine two old bits. I like old bits. When you spoke to guys and girls, did any, were they almost also flummoxed by the? No, they were just like, what? They didn't get much of a pot. There it is. If you're watching on YouTube.

Check it out. The graphic is here. I like when he shoots the money out of his mouth and it spins around. Erica's most lasting contribution to the program. I do. I do like that. Greg during these, like the suit and tie era.

I think I was coming straight from an NFL network show. And, yeah, I looked like I was showing up in West Hartford for a day at the mutual. All right. So I got a little sidetracked when you combine them. So the, it is,

he is what? He has to be drafted ahead of 31 and a half. But I just thought I, I would combine two things to give our listeners an early opportunity making some ring. So 31 and below.

31 and below. Okay. I mean, you caught me off guard. I got to do my... It's too late to do research now. Like, where is he... Newton's, where is he being mocked in the... You know, where is he...

Well, there's a consensus big board out there. Where is he on the consensus big board? Which I believe has him... I call him... Jack Newton. Around, like, that's what they base these things on. But he's, he's higher on the consensus big board. I guess the draft next like him a little better.

All right. Where is he? Where is he going? The mid-20s. And you're saying he's going, okay. I'm looking at an article from 25 is what I found. Aside, it says, could Johnny Newton fall out of the first round? Right.

They're putting it there. They have no answer. All I'm saying is that's where the... He's got any medical red flags? Got any off-the-field issues? No. well he missed the scouting combine with a fracture in his foot

his name is jerzan Newton I like that that's good he should you owe that over Johnny it's always good business to take the sanguage guy I'm not going to do it in this case yeah Greg I think

I should point out yes he did have foot surgery in the pre-draft process that would have been in January but he played through it. One fatal flaw in your pitch was that you're so self-confident about this happening that you make me not want to take you on the...

That's fair. I guess I'm thinking more about the listeners and the rainmaker and it's a big spot. You never know when it could be the last rainmaker. But I'll take you just because... Fair.

Because why not? I'll take you. Okay, thank you. For the show aspect, Dan. You're a showman. Show man. Show man. Yeah, I will not take you up on it. I don't know why.

I just won't. I'm not going to do it. You know what? I also thought when I saw that number, that's perfect. I am looking for things to have me to add even more excitement to this first round of the draft. Not that we need to. It's the draft. But when it was 31, I was like, okay, this is going to be fun.

As we get towards the end of the draft, I'll be ruined. You've got something to track. I think it could be much higher. That's nice for you. So Schrager sends out a tweet today. Ooh. That Johnny Newton is not even on his. list of like he's pointing out in the tweet that there's never been a more

lopsided offense to defense NFL draft first round from convos I only have six surefire first round picks on D right now Murphy Turner Latu Arnold Mitchell verse and then he has a later first very early second guys to John Chop Robinson Darius Robinson Wiggins and McKinstree so based on that he didn't even list him he's not even listed so I will take you up on it now I think that's smart I needed to do a little research just in time. So there's something going on there because Schrager's pretty plugged in. But, you know, foot surgery is not ideal.

It is good that we actually did a little. He didn't want us to do research. He didn't think we would. There's no medical issues, but he's had just had foot surgery, which sounds like an issue. He missed the, oh, it's a Jones fracture in the foot. I don't like that either.

That's unpleasant. That's tricky, Greggy. I don't like that. That's a cousin of the Liz Frank, that Harlet, Scorpy woman. Is that tough to sell your fan base on sometimes? Oh, this guy just had. surgery. So, of course, we take him in the first round.

I believe in the play. Well, he's got a Jones fracture. Oh, yeah, bring him in first round. Please. Who does that? And also big men with feet injuries, you know, a foot injury. Let's go. All right, I'm up next.

Here we go. Here we go. Here we go. This one is not, I'm not going to say it's, um, ballsy because it's, it's conventional wisdom and a lot of these mock drafts. However, how often do we see that what every. one thinks going to happen, isn't going to happen. With that in mind, this will be the draft where the top of the board goes exactly as

everyone's talking or close to it. So the first, so what I'm, what's going to make this one, a tougher one for me to hit is it's so big. It's a big swath of the first round. I'm saying the first round will go. QB. QB. QB.

Wide receiver, wide receiver, wide receiver, wide receiver, offensive tackle. First seven picks. Okay, I will take you because I think you're, you just say number four, that would be the Cardinals in theory, staying home and taking Marvin Harrison Jr. Right. I think they're trading that pick. I do.

I think that's where the fourth quarterback goes, so I'll take you. I would take you just not even knowing what year I'm in, what's happening. You're trying to match seven slots with specific positions. Right, which doesn't it? Doesn't it? The players, whatever the players are.

What? Yeah. Because we know the QB one, and then those two quarterbacks are probably next to each other. The three wide receivers, we don't know what order they're going to go in, but it's probably going to be Harrison first. But they'll all be bunched together, and then Joe Alt goes to the Titans. That's the way I see it. I mean, this to me is a massive onion hanger, a bigger one. I hope maybe you try these onions.

You like them. You're real sweet onions. Then you realize, I mean, they got the, you know, you go to the horse track. Yeah. They got the trifecta. Yeah. They got the superfecta. I'm trying to hit a straight flush here.

Yeah, this is the super, super duper factor. I'll take you on that. All right. I like it, though. That's right out of the gate. That's a creative one. I reached out to NFL research this morning. Love the work they do.

Always have. I said, has the draft ever gone all QB and wide receiver in the first six picks? And Ben McWilliams replied, that has never happened in the common draft era, Aaron, however, he's got a however. Ben in a big spot. However, each of the first six picks. in 2021, we're past catchers, three QBs, two wide receivers, and Kyle Pitts, which is the closest we have come to that scenario. So this would be the first time if it does indeed

happen. Okay, Mark, you're up. I'm going to get hyper specific because this is, this is my sports lock of the week. Okay. This is a, this is a two-parter. The Eagles will take Clemson linebacker Jeremiah Trotter after his father. played with the Eagles three different times. You love that too. Another Mark Trope. These things need to happen. And I was saying this with Joey Porter Jr. all last draft season. And it happened. And it

worked. And it's a good move. So the Eagles will take Jeremiah Trotter Jr. And the Chargers will take Michigan running back Blake Corum, which I've been on that case for eons. I just pick one of these. No, because they're both going to happen.

I would like, I would wish we could put conditions. I don't think we should. It gets, it gets too complicated. But we should, I want to, like, I would get, I want to do a sandwich on each of these, you know, split them up until I get two sandwiches, because you're not going to get either one. I completely think you're wrong. Or the odds are you. I don't really know. The future is. It's commendable for you to do this, uh, this, but it's so hard to hit two. But there is connective tissue with both landing spots for both players. And, and Howie Roseman literally went out of his way to say, that Jeremiah Trotter was on their radar. People say a lot of things. It feels like an Eagles thing. It just feels like an Eagles thing to do. They value that.

That's a good point. Would you love it for the Eagles, Greg, if they did it? I think if Howie Roseman said in a public setting that he's on his radar. I'm not saying that that's... You just lock it in. I'm not saying that that means much, but why say it at all? Because you like... ETP.

And you're just trying to, like, boost up his kid's stock a little bit. I think you know that there's NFL bloodlines matter. and if you're Harbaugh, you're not going to take your running back who was, like, who dazzled for your, you know, you had your, you had your little dance with Porter last year, I believe. Was that who was? Yes, Joey, I just went to him.

And it was a nice moment for you. Yeah, it crescendoed in complete victory. We were all very proud that you did it. Now you're going back to the well. And it's, it's suicide. It's suicide. I think you can dance and celebrate if you get it right. Let's talk on probably, you know,

it's like sometimes you got to know. right to leave well enough alone you had a big you had that corner coming back to it and it's going to what it's going to do it's going to cheapen the porter pick no it has no effect on that because that was just a clear cut it's been checkmark victory developing news

we're getting work yes it will cheapen the porter unless you nail it and then it'll make it even better if I nail it then it's like you just hang on the gates at that point and just like but you got to get both Because Greg and I aren't going to sit here and hand you bouquets of roses if you get one. I wouldn't accept a bocane.

I will give you verbal credit if you get one of the two, but I'm taking the sandwich. Well, for the credit, it means a lot. For one out of two. 50% is not good enough here. Verbal credit would be getting either. Always welcome. All right. All right, well, we're throwing exact darts out, I want to make sandwich props that I want to root for.

Like Pixie want to root for. And so let's just keep it. simple, the Patriots do take, break me and deliver me back into the womb of Foxborough Stadium with a nice, exciting... Well, you're going back into the womb? That's not how it works. We're starting the journey again. We had an incredible journey.

It'll be tricky. That will never be topped, and then it ended. You're coming home. And this is a rebirth. This is a new, a new me. You texted me over the weekend. That's not true. Greg.

Wait, you literally did. Well, I did about the Dodgers, but what else? It's about the Dodgers. Okay, sorry. Zip-a-doo, zip around. You texted me, and you said you were at the game with your family, and you said, I think that you like me better when I'm like a baseball fan or basketball to which I wouldn't say I like you better, but I do like, that's like the most wholesome thing about

Greg when he's just like, hey, I'm, you know, this is the. sport I love. And I think it's the most wholesome version. It's why I thought of you. I'm sitting in a long line waiting for the Dodger dogs just with some time to kill. I'm like, oh, Dan would be happy to know I'm here at the Dodgers game. I'm going to text them. I will. So I didn't like, I don't like you better when you're at a baseball game, but I do like you

better when you're not lying about your Patriots fandom. So if this brings you back, if this brings you back in a real way, let's do it. I'm with you and I'm rooting for you. Even if it could be danger for the rest of the AFC East. So you're not taking them on the would that mean I'm not taking him

I don't know how does this game work you do take me if I want him to I want to root along with you on this okay let's bring Drake in you're not taking me I didn't take you on the last one either though so it's a little tricky no you did in the end right I did that I think you know for this sake I won't take you about it I will take you but I have noticed Greg that like

your fascination with with Drake May and I'm like starting to watch him more and more I see where you're coming from like this is a spicy player but this is huge for you. I feel like your Patriots fandom hinges on this player going to New England. You've been talking in a certain way about the pairing here for a couple of weeks. I haven't really heard you talk about the Patriots with passion in this way in a while, or the possibilities.

He's nervous about J.J. McCarthy. Well, right, because Dan's saying I've been lying about my Patriot's. The only... All right, lying strong. You're lying. If there's been any exaggerating going along, it's that actually have to pretend for Dan's sake that... overly invested.

For Dan's sake. Yeah. I mean, I understand the dynamic. I will take you. I will take you. Okay. Please. Don't get me started on the Browns with you, Sestog. But, but Dan, I mean, it wouldn't even, I wouldn't be walking around town or Norwood, Greg, talking about our fandom if it weren't, you know, we weren't in this setting. So.

Okay. Next. The chiefs, they stopped messing around. Then they trade up and get one of these wide receivers. Now, I don't want to, I can't, I can't say one of the big three because they're so, I think they're going to be so hotly contested that, like I've already predicted, I think they're off the board by seven. But one of the, who are the secondary guys like Brian Thomas, who are some, he would, he would

be an exciting that next tier. MBS replacement, my God. They could trade up potentially to get that kind of mid-round. So they're true, there could be 80 Mitchell, could be Xavier worthy, anyone that they like that's what it's fun about it could be macaque it could be or they could sit stick and pick but for you to get this you're saying they have to they have to make a trade to move up the board and then take a wide receiver well i'm definitely taking you on that because even specifically saying wide receiver that feels 50 50 to me oh because they could go get brock for instance as well no i just mean they could

take any position you never know what the value is going to be at that point can i but to make it trading up for you could throw Bauer can I modify it yeah because I think it's important for this what I'm saying is they're going to be aggressive to add that playmaker pass catcher so okay could be Bowers or another tight end but probably Bauer I wrote um I come up with about 13 14 sandwich props here but like book at Charlie colon Kansas City will trade up for a wide receiver so I believe in what you're saying but again just for the sake of the the parlor game I'll take you I'll take you I'll take you on that okay Mark

This one's simple The Dallas Cowboys will take a quarterback in the first two rounds Hmm Hmm My onion hanger was Cowboys related now Suddenly our little Cowboys It's heavy

That is fun I will take you on it Again These are generally less than 50-50 propositions here that would be doing something that I just haven't seen them do which is think past this year and they just don't do that and maybe they should and maybe they'll think about it after seeing Jordan Love rock the NFC but I still don't don't two things right

that what you're saying and also we've never outwardly seen them doubt the idea of Dak Prescott as being that dude right that's they've always believed in that and has that changed behind the scenes and in part because of his contract situation and the difficulties around that. I think it's way more likely when what is the now much derided quote that Jerry Jones had that they were going to be all in on the off season. Essentially. I think what he is going to be able to spin that out because obviously because of their financial hurdles that they've been dealing with, they weren't able to make big splashes in this off season. But what he's going to spin that as I think is, you know, using the top of his draft class to bring in an offensive line and maybe to find somebody to replace the left tackle to add a playmaker. I think that's what their path is going to be. So it'll be about helping and aiding DAC rather than adding this drama. But also, I can totally wake up, imagine waking up Friday morning or Saturday morning,

and that's what everyone's talking about because the Cowboys have entered this into the dialogue. Right. I think it really depends kind of how the board falls. and if someone like Pennix Jr. came into their mix, I just wonder if that's where Jerry Jones gets kind of tempted. Because I switched out, I went here, I went with the Cowboys, but the other one I had was that the Seahawks will take a quarterback in rounder one, and I think they're going to.

I really don't. So, but I think, I thought the Cowboys was just. I'll take you on the Cowboys one. Sure. Yeah, I'll take you on it. I'm going to stick with Cowboys because it was specific and it does relate to yours. So I, this is your onion hanger. Hold that thought.

Let's take a break. We'll come back with the Cowboys again. Hey, this is Matt Jones. Now, I'm Drew Franklin. And this is NFL Cover Zero. We're just here to try to give you an NFL perspective a little bit different. Did you see the Colts Pretzel? That was my other big takeaway from that game.

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Toyota, the official automotive partner of the NFL. Visit Toyota.com slash NFL now to learn more. All right, we're back. Then back to the Cowboys with Greg Rosenthal, Sandwich Props. Okay, so where I would push back from you, and I would like to see this Cowboys team change the way they do things. And they have picked up guys who've kind of fallen in the draft. Like, oh, how did C.D. Lamb get to him?

How did Zach Martin back in the day? Or even Travis Frederick, like some of these guys that go later than you expect. But to me, last year, they showed who they are. It's like, oh, we really need a defensive tackle to play right away. Let's draft Mazzy Smith. That looks like a little bit of a reach. Oh, our tight end leaves for the Texans. We need to take a tight end, Schoonmaker in the second round.

It didn't really hit the field. And they have so many obvious needs right now. And they've gone into the draft having picked up Royce Freeman as their free agent running back that it just seems so clear they're like we are we are going to take our starting running back in the draft and they are going to be as predictable as possible and they know that 56 is the perfect spot for it so i say they use that 56 spot they're taking their starting running back with that spot that doesn't feel onion hangary enough for me but i feel very confident in that and i say they get as basic as possible and they're just look in the same state and they see

jonathan brooks and they're like oh this is a guy who's a little devalued because he's coming off a torn ACL, but he would have been the number one guy. And this can be our Zeke for the next five years. Jonathan Brooks is the fantasy running back winner of the night because he gets taken by the Cowboys there. I like that one.

A need. Pollard flopped last year and his chance to be the big guy. Deek, deep in the rear view. Maybe he's coming back. I'll take you on it, though. Very specific. Always take the specific one. Good thinking. I, that

That is very Dallas-ish, but I'll take you. They're going to make, I think the only thing I feel confident about, and I think it makes all three of us potentially right here, is that they're going to want to make a splash move. Because you know what Jerry Jones hates? Everyone's saying that he's not doing anything. Like he wants to do something fun. I don't think they're going to take a guard in the first round.

All right. Onion hangar time. I hope maybe you try to his onion. You'll like them. The real sweet onions. I don't even know who this is, honestly. I could throw out a couple. The farmer?

No, I hope. I don't know him either, but I hope he's still with us. Sounded old when we started playing the drum. You start doing the math. You start to get nervous. 50, 50. Yeah. Maybe this is a certain wide receiver out of San Francisco,

although I don't necessarily buy into that. But it could be hypothetically anyone. I want to be careful with the word. here. I was going to say an all pro player. No. But I'm going to go pro bowl player. A pro bowl player will be moved in a trade between now and midnight Friday morning. Any

position? Any position. Oh, interesting. It's like Ayuk for instance. Has he made a pro bowl? If he hasn't, then I need to recalibrate this. Well, how about... A guy, it's supposed to be a superstar. I hope he's made at least one pro bowl. You could say pro bowl player and or Brandon Ayuk.

He has not made the pro bowl. He actually was second team all pro, which is a harder honor to reach. All-P-F, which I didn't know is now listed on Pro Football Reference. Good job by that. We'll lead to PFF. All right. So someone that has either been named to an all-pro team, first or second team, a Pro Bowl,

or the hallowed PFF top-50, what is it, top team? They have an all-pro-all-pro-PFF team. So it has to basically happen during the first round. from starting now, as I say these words, till Friday morning at midnight. Okay. I'll take you on that. I had Brandon Ayuk won't be on the Niners by Saturday night,

so I kind of, I'm with you. I thought you said that wasn't happening. Well, I just put it up as a sandwich prop. That's one of your 13. Yes, I also... It wasn't going to be your next one. No, because I also, Devante Adams won't be on the Raiders because I think he's part of a deal

to move the Raiders move up to get, like, one of the top three cards. Devante Adams has to be... out the door for that. But that's not where I'm going with mine. But I will take you on this. You will. Yeah. I will too. But you see what Mark is doing here. He's playing the game. And I don't mean the game of the sandwich.

Let's be honest. He last bought a sandwich not just for us, but for anyone. He's never eaten a sandwich. Not his thing. 1994. Was when he last bought a sandwich for his friends. It was the last day of camp happiness. They got off the bus and they were right next to him. I recall buying you

like Bonnese or something at some point. I did do that. Like, oh, look, it's a deli. It was a while ago. But go on. I know where you're going with this. He's playing the game of life and the game of social media and the game of Mark gets one of these right.

If he just throws him out verbally out of the podcast, eventually, you know, he'll get credit for it from all the listeners, even though he's not playing by the rules. And I'm a rule follower. He's got 50 things there. Every time someone throws. without you say four more that are on your list and it's like all right they're not official but you've now said them but it's it's well played mark i think it's savvy i also i put a lot of you know work and thought into this and so i don't want it just to be right i close my google doc and then

it's like gone forever into an abyss right unfair to the listener and too also myself right but when when just as an example like when i throw out my onion hanger here and then you're just stomping it all over with all this like devante adams is getting traded and this guy's going, all of a sudden, it's like, oh, it's just, we're talking about marks. Yeah, well, you got a, that people were saying that's, that was a hotter concept right there. So, but let's try to steer it back to someone else's. I'm taking you on yours, I said. Yeah, but that's, so, and you're taking on mine.

Oh, yeah. So a trade of a star player, uh, under any of those designations, uh, ahead of the draft. I always think that makes more fun. It is. It would be fun. AJ, AJ Brown being a prominent exam. two years ago. Is there one last year?

No, but it seems more likely now that this can happen than ever any other time. General GMs feel like their onions are bigger than they used to be. I have just heard back from the Onion Committee. They do evaluations of what's an onion hanger. Make sure everything

qualifies. That qualifies as an onion hanger, but they actually have come back to me and said, your first one that you said seven different guys at very specific positions. Was a bigger onion hanger, so you didn't, they believe you didn't calibrate, which was the biggest. Correct. But either way, they're both hanging.

I think I've earned a level of esteem within that committee, though. They're like, oh, this guy's playing a win and maybe loose, more likely. And I thought you, you know, you shook it up with your first prop. So, you know, that's a credit to you. All right. One more, Mark. You've already given us 12, but what is your final? Well, so use this.

I have one that exceeds beyond the draft a little bit, so I will ignore it if you don't want to hear that one as my onion hanger. how far behind well it's it's I would call it collateral damage go ahead what is it a general manager will be fired within 72 hours of the draft wrapping and it will be a surprise just because any that would be a surprise for anyone but well we've talked about George Peyton

to me that that wouldn't be related like to the draft what if I say not George Peyton everyone 31 other option now actually the onion committee as noted this happens a decent amount here you know where they They're not. The committee is voting this down as an onion. Well, I'll give you a different one then. How about that?

Go ahead. What else you got? How about this? Because I've gone down this road before and it's like, I just know it's going to happen in our life at some point. But let the record now state that Mark has now put it out there that if a GM is fired, he wins again. Well, I think so. And if no one gets fired, it will never be brought up again. So there's a nice little setup there for you. How about this? Yeah.

A major non-sports. news story will take wholesale precedence over the draft. Maybe not on day one or night one, but by the end of the selection process, it will barely be on anyone's mind, the draft itself. Define anyone's. Like, what about us? Are we doing a podcast that night? I think we're, like again, I'm not sure it's day one. I think by the time we're doing our Saturday recap, it will feel

awkward. Okay, I can, I can accept that because we're doing a show Saturday. I like this one. This one hangs. It sounds like potentially sad. It's a big enough story that our day three Winners and Losers podcast feels beside the point is what you're trying to say. A little bit. I think, no, no, no, not no, because like the show must go on and we are going to give people

what they want. At some point, they may not be listening to it for some people the minute it's released, but they'll be glad that we did it. And that's the way that we do business, but it will feel slightly awkward. And maybe this is because I've gone down a rabbit hole after O.J. Simpson died. It's like a Ford Bronco chase. It's like that, where it's like Nick's Rockets

receded into the deep background. And by the end of that series, people were watching the end of that. They still cared about sports. But like this became something much larger. More likely, because that was a one and a million thing. Like maybe something geopolitical going on. I mean, sure. Maybe Jessica falls back down the well.

any one of well I don't know about that but like things of this 40 years old I mean this is all this is all vague but I'll accept it I'll accept it What about the committee?

The committee does or? They're fine with it Oh yeah I mean I mean it's an it's an onion hanger Like what are the chances? I think it's definitely an onion hanger And I will take you on it The committee

The committee is confused And just to circle back to tie a bow on it There was a big veteran trade Draft week last year Aaron Rogers was traded to the Jets was it April it was earlier April 25th

whenever I don't know was that draft week I don't even know it was right maybe the week before might have been welcome to Jet Life Stadium I believe it was two days before the draft pretty crazy April 27th

2003 how about that so yeah if you count that one's a little different that's kind of not exactly what I mean but that was a different situation but the AJ Brown one is a perfect example like is there some team out there that is going to make that big move to get a first round pick or a second round pick

we'll see what would Brandon and I get in a trade for example we would assume oh he's a first round player well we don't we don't operate that way now we know right you don't get the wool over our eyes anymore football anything else

I've got plenty more do you want to get anything else I've got plenty more but I'm going to it will dilute the ones that you've had just I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I actually mentioned everyone that I, that I, that I created. So now that I look. Sometimes we've had the producer do one, but it's only occurring to me now. And I don't want to put Eric in a tough spot. You didn't have one by any chance, did you?

No. No. So I don't want to, I don't want to mess on that 1,000 percentage. That's smart. This is when, you know, people retire ahead at top of the game and stuff. So I'm not going anywhere, but I'm just saying I'm not messing on my record. That's smart. Unless you're absolutely certain.

No. No producer's done that, though, to go 3-0. They've typically been horrible. I'm impressed. All right, Wednesday. It's a big one. It's a big, big one. It's the Mock-Sessler Mark draft.

How many times have we done it? Got to be around five now, right? I think I've seen five when I'm doing, like, my look-throughs. I think this might be six, yeah. I was doing it before we made a show out of it, though. It was a tweet type of situation where... Right. And, you know, a vast majority of people looking at it didn't realize that I didn't actually work in the draft in any capacity.

And so they didn't get any aggregate write-ups? No, I don't recall that happening. I don't think it was taking that. Maybe this year will be different. It's crazy. We've got to treat it seriously, and I think people will be pulled over their eyes. You would have thought that an NFL media employee putting out a mock draft would just set the Internet on fire. But not a huge...

You're getting them... Fired up. That's back in the day. One thing that will hurt us is, I would think in terms of being taken seriously, which we struggle with in general as a show to be taken seriously. But the Mock Sessler Mark Draft might be a little bit of a heads up to people that we're not your standard draft. But I stand by it as I think we're the only Mark draft out there. No other Mark draft.

You think Mark Ross is doing a Mark draft? No, he's doing a mock draft. Let's get it. We need someone somewhere to aggregate it. Yeah. And it is a tremendous victory. not for me solo but but the show well put all right that's it we'll be back Wednesday and then after that we'll be back Thursday and that will be the night of the draft

so we're getting there can't wait can't wait he's the call Hey everybody. Daniel Jeremiah here. And I'm Bucky Brooks. On Move to Six, we take you inside the game from breaking down college prospects and NFL rookies to evaluating team building philosophies, coaching trends, and how front offices construct winning rosters. We study the tape, talk to decision makers, and give you a perspective you won't find anywhere else. It's everything you need to understand the why behind what happens on Sunday. Don't miss it.

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