NFL Stock Exchange: An NFL Draft Podcast - CFB Week 3 Draft Guide: 2027 QB Rankings Changes & Prospects We're Concerned About

Episode Date: September 17, 2026

Trevor Sikkema and Connor Rogers give you their first ever episode of DRAFT GUIDE! We go over our current Top 10 QB Rankings after Week 2 of the CFB Regular Season. We also do a new segment: Sounding ...the Alarm! Where we look at players people are "sounding the alarm" on and we say whether we're concerned too, whether we want to wait another week, or if we aren't concerned at all. We end with our favorite matchups to watch this weekend that could impact the draft!Subscribe to our YouTube Channel and help us get to 100k subs! It's 100% free and helps us out a bunch. Thanks!WE HAVE A DISCORD!!!!! JOIN HERE! https://discord.gg/AjqamEUyEWhttps://discord.gg/AjqamEUyEW?feature=descriptionif the link doesn't work for you, just search 'NFLStockExchange' on discord and it'll pop up0:00 Intro 6:20 QB Ranking Update / Football Talk Starts Here 10:38 Arch Manning, QB Texas 17:10 Drew Mestemaker, QB Oklahoma State 23:25 Dante Moore, QB Oregon 33:36 Trinidad Chambliss, QB Ole Miss 34:46 Julian Sayin, QB Ohio State 40:10 Drake Lindsey, QB Minnesota 46:01 Prospects We're Concerned About 46:47 David Stone, DT Oklahoma 50:35 Anthony Smith, EDGE Minnesota 56:44 Damon Wilson II, EDGE Miami 58:15 Isaiah Sategna, WR Oklahoma 1:00:44 Prospect Shoutouts 1:08:00 Week 3 Best Matchups 1:17:23 OutroFollow us on X:https://x.com/NFLSEshowhttps://x.com/TampaBayTrehttps://x.com/ConnorJRogersWe appreciate each and every one of you ADDICTS :)For business or other inquiries, reach us at nflseshow@gmail.com Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Can we take a peek at Tankathon? Let's take a look at Tankathon. Let's take a look good. Yeah, can we do that? The buck's got the number one pick. Let's go, baby. I didn't know that. Why didn't we do a mock trap this episode?
Starting point is 00:00:10 I'm taking Jeremiah Smith. A, Buka. Hope you like the shadows, buddy, because guess what? You're back in. Take a seat. Welcome to the opening bell, the NFL Stock Exchange Show, Trevor Sakemachim of McConnor Rogers. I'm here with you guys for a very fun episode that we're excited to sort of debut here for you guys.
Starting point is 00:00:40 It's the first edition of the NFLSC draft guide. We took a lot of suggestions from you guys over the summer of how you would like for us to cover college football during the season. And there's a lot of really great ideas. And actually, this is the chef's idea. You thought, let's bring it in and let's call it the draft guide. And it's something that we get to revisit weekend and week out. So today we're looking at page one. Of course, we're updating the quarterback rankings because we already got some takes two weeks into the college football season.
Starting point is 00:01:08 But we'll also talk about some prospects. that we or even you guys have been sounding the alarm for. That could be good. That could be bad. We're going to talk about whether it's getting us straight out of bed. Yeah, we're up. We're absolutely up. We're slamming the snooze button or we're unplugging the thing.
Starting point is 00:01:24 We don't really care about it. So a lot to get to here on this show. But Connor, how you do it, my friend? I'm good, man. It's still jarring how quickly you just tossed away a meca buca like that. I didn't toss him away. I didn't toss anything. You know, Jeremiah Smith's going to be.
Starting point is 00:01:40 the one. I don't know. That's true. And the bucks are picking one. So that's, so that's fair. That's a fair take from you. Look at you, Mr. California, back slumming it with our East Coasters, us East Coasters. This is, going from East Coast to West Coast time, it's a wild experience. You people who live on the West Coast at Pacific Time, it's so strange when the games kick off at 10 a.m. I don't know how I could ever get used to it being in East Coast. your my whole life. It is nice that Sunday night football got done at like nine, eight, 30. That's the reward of it all.
Starting point is 00:02:20 And I had the whole rest of my night to plan for a lot of the shows. Like we filmed NFL Pro. I got set up for our NFL SE episode that we did on Monday. So that part of it was definitely nice, but I don't know if I could ever get used to a 10 a.m. kick. It's a nice. gimmick, at least for me. Like, I remember I was there
Starting point is 00:02:44 when the Jets played the Giants in 2015 and back then at Bleacher Report, I wasn't, obviously I wasn't on Jets pre and post game. I clearly wasn't even doing NFL, like NFL coverage for BR that time. I was on a shoot for high school recruiting. That's a whole other story. Like crazy, crazy. Big high school recruiting guy.
Starting point is 00:03:05 Great high school recruiting guy then. But crazy, crazy trip. Yeah, I'll tell that whole story another day. So Sunday was the one day off we had of like the nine-day trip. So you go out for brunch and watch NFL football. That's what you do. And it's like it felt so weird being out eating, drinking in the morning with one o'clock games on because I'm an East Coaster. And I thought it was a really, really cool thing to do.
Starting point is 00:03:33 But would I like it every week? I guess it's just what you know. is what you like. So if you grew up out there, it's what you know. But I couldn't, I wouldn't like that every single week. So I don't know if that's the case because Ante Studden in the chat says, games kick off at 11 for me and it pisses me off. There you go.
Starting point is 00:03:51 Sunday morning is like you like being able to do whatever you got to do. So Nick says mountain time is superiority because NHL and NBA is at 5 p.m. On weekdays. Right. 10 a.m. college football, 11 a.m. NFL Sunday. So, you know, I actually think that central time has the best, has the best case for being the best time when it comes to watching sports. Because everything's just an hour earlier, which isn't super inconvenient from, you know, when TV schedules are made for East Coast time. But it's a little bit earlier. So you get a little bit more of your night and you don't have to wait as long for things to start. at the beginning of the day.
Starting point is 00:04:38 So, yeah, I actually think the Central Times probably got the best case. I think it's the winner. Like, I get what Nick's saying there at Mountain Time, but even five would be early for me knowing the Rangers and Knicks are on. Like, the day is just, you're trying to end the day. And you're like, oh, my God, hockey and basketball is on. The sports starting when you're making dinner is the pinnacle of life. That's why Central Time probably.
Starting point is 00:05:07 I think you get more of that with central time. Yeah. That's the central time. All right, folks. All right, folks. Sound off. Sound off with the comments. Sound off in the chat.
Starting point is 00:05:15 What's the best time zone for watching sports? So we want to hear. As we get to our quarterback rankings here. So we're two and at half. Do I count week zero is like a half a week? That's fair. Because only, I mean, my Ava played. Right.
Starting point is 00:05:32 What other quarterback that we're going to talk about today played? I don't know. any of the other ones actually played week zero. But I think your point stands. Yeah, we're two and a half weeks into the college football season. We've already had a decent amount of action for a lot of these quarterbacks. We went through summer scouting, but that was quite a long time ago. We went through summer scouting for quarterbacks.
Starting point is 00:05:51 What was it in June, July? Something like that. June, yeah. It's been a while since we've really, really seriously talked about this quarterback class. So we figured a good way to start the draft guide episode is to open up the magazine to page one. And of course, it's the first position. it's the quarterback position. So Connor and I have updated our quarterback rankings,
Starting point is 00:06:11 which we're going to reveal for you guys right now. We'll read it out for the audio only people because we're trying to stay conscious of that as well. And then we'll kind of talk about what we've seen from these guys over the last couple of weeks. So, Jeff, hit the button. Let's see it. Let's reveal the 1 through 10 in the quarterback rankings.
Starting point is 00:06:26 The biggest mover up the board for me was Drew Mestemaker. I had him at 6 and now I have him at number 2. The biggest mover up the board for you was Dariam Menson. You had him at, I believe 10. Now you have him at 7. But Connor, I want you to read your full updated 1 through 10, and then I will do the same. And then we could dive into a couple of these quarterbacks here.
Starting point is 00:06:47 Yeah, so with it being two and a half weeks, as you said, Trev. So for these guys, somewhere around two games, and a lot of them haven't played anyone or had one meaningful game. I didn't get too crazy here. I tried to avoid that. I wasn't going to change the top. You know, and Arch had his biggest. moment yet with that fourth quarter against Ohio State. He stays at number one for me.
Starting point is 00:07:10 CJ Carr, I had at two over summer. He stays there for now. Notre Dame just beat up on rice last week. So what do you take away from that? Dante Moore at number three has not been a good start for Oregon. And Drew Messemaker, who I had at four over the summer, stays at four right now. It's a roller coaster ride in the loss against Tulsa week one. And then obviously exploded on the scene against Oregon and their upset win over Oregon last week. Five, Trinidad Chamblest, same thing over summer as it was for Lenora Sellers at six. Seven, the one guy that's moved the most, Darian Mensa. I still have some questions about physical ability, but I just, I like his accuracy.
Starting point is 00:07:51 I like how he sees things pre-snap. I feel like transferring to Miami is going to bring out, continue to bring out the best in him. So he's put himself on the map. eight, Jaden Mayaba from USC who did play that week zero game and USC is going to be really good this year. Julian Sane at nine and then 10, a guy that's not going to get to play this year is Brendan Sowersby. Who I would imagine some quarterback will probably jump up into his spot with more games played. I know people like Drake Lindsay from Minnesota. It'll be interesting to see if a quarterback kind of jumps in and seeing.
Starting point is 00:08:25 Because you and I actually have the same exact 10 guys just in different order now that I look at it, except you have Lindsay in there now at 9. I actually miss that and you don't have Soresby. Right, right. Sorstby is kind of a funny case because you're right. He's not playing at all, but will he move up and down the list? Will he become more alluring or less alluring depending on how the quarterback class shakes out? In season, he won't.
Starting point is 00:08:50 He will only move up when teams work him out, but he won't move up for me. No, but you don't understand. Like if the other quarterbacks, like if these guys aren't playing, Well, then all of a sudden, it's like, all right, well, based on stores we'd say, last year, I guess we're just, you know, so he'll be an interesting case to kind of monitor. And it's, I think that it's at least good that you brought him up here at number 10 because we get to have that part of the conversation because he is a part of this quarterback class. I don't know exactly how much he's in this quarterback class, but he is going to be in this consideration here. For me, I still have Archmanning at number one.
Starting point is 00:09:25 Drew Messemaker is, is the player who jumped up the most on my list. I have him at number two. We're obviously going to talk about that Oregon and Oklahoma State game quite a bit. Dante Moore, I have at number three. We both have him have him at number three now. I have Trinidad Chamble's at four, Darian Mensa at five. That order is still the same there for me coming out of summer scouting. Jada Maya, I have at number six, C.J. Carr at seven, Lenora Sellers at eight,
Starting point is 00:09:48 Drake Lindsay at nine. And then I have Julian San at number 10. Really quick. Somebody in the chat said, this is Austin Simmons Erasure, and I'm only 75%. kidding. Austin Simmons, the quarterback for Missouri now. He was at Old Miss. Trinidad Chambliss ended up taking his job early last year. And so he really didn't get to see him too much. And when he played for Ole Miss, he really did not play very well. But he looks like he's playing really well for Missouri so far. I have not taken a deep dive into his tape. Connor,
Starting point is 00:10:19 I don't know if you specifically watched Austin Simmons yet. But I have not. Not a deep dive. I've just watched the broadcast games from, you know, like everyone else, working on Saturdays. Yeah. So I have not taken a deep dive in him yet. We will get to his evaluation at some point. But let's start with Archmanning. Let's talk about Archmanning because he's coming off of a big win versus Ohio State.
Starting point is 00:10:44 And it felt like it was quite the roller coaster of a game because, you know, he's got the drops. Well, the fumble from Relique Brown at the beginning of the game. Then the weird Cam Coleman. play. I would still categorize that as a drop. I don't know if I would like have it as a drop from like a penalizing point like like like old like PFF would. Right. But I think Cam Coleman should catch that football. Because he's Cam Coleman. Yeah. So I kind of think that if anything that's a I thought it was a really nice, um, Archmanning pass. And a lot of people did not agree on social media. I thought it was an
Starting point is 00:11:25 excellent deep pass from Archmanning. And I thought that Cam Coleman should have caught that ball, but Ryan Wingo dropped the ball as well. And we're halfway or three, three quarters of the way through that game. And it's Archmanning stinks. He's not even going to be a first round pick anymore. Steve Sarkeesian's getting it fired from Texas. What's Texas going to do now? The whole program's in flux.
Starting point is 00:11:44 And then in the span of like a quarter and a half, it goes to this is the best win that Sarks ever had in the program. Archvany is so back, baby. Come back win against Ohio State. Exercise to the demons. He's able to play inconsistently early on and then change things and play really well down the stretch. I think the truth, as is often the case, is very much in the gray. It's not necessarily black or white. It's somewhere in the middle. And I thought that Arch had a good game.
Starting point is 00:12:10 I like what I've seen from him when it comes to this newer throwing motion that he's had over the last two years. But this year, Connor, I will say, I think he's got a little bit more juice in it, even though it's still a little bit of a shortened kind of sidearm motion to it. I think he's got more juice. I think the deep balls look a little bit better when they're coming out of his hand. So I think that that's the positives. I feel like he's got a good idea of how to read defenses. He goes through full field reads. He still is that athletic player at a good NFL size. I just also think he's still a half second late sometimes. Yeah. I think that he is, even if he reads it right, sometimes he'll sometimes he'll like clutch the ball or not wind up as fast as he wants to.
Starting point is 00:12:54 and I don't know what it is, but he still seems as though he is, I don't know if it's hesitancy or what, but he can be a half step late to seeing things and it still gets him in trouble in college. And it's only really going to get him in trouble in the NFL if he doesn't speed that up and anticipate a little bit better. So that's where I am with Archmanning two games in. I didn't take him from that top spot. That's why everything you said is why when I watched him over summer, I kept saying he just reminds me. college-wise of a bigger Jackson Dart. Like there were so many plays with Dart on college film
Starting point is 00:13:31 where you go, wow, like that was a really nice throw with touch at all three levels. He could push the ball down the field. He's athletic enough to run. But the translating to the pros written in red ink, you know, concern was like, okay, is he going to play on time? Can he play constantly on time and in rhythm?
Starting point is 00:13:53 Does he have to see it open and then throw it or can he throw it open? And the beauty of it once again is not only has, do I think Dart has been good in the pros, but that's not really, I don't think my final comp for Arch will be dark because usually I go by body type over everything and they just don't have the same body type. But for Arch, this is the season to work through that. And that fourth quarter was really his moment to step up when the lights were the brightest. And I'm with you, Trevor. The problem is, and I feel like you and I have this combo every time we talk about the quarterbacks in the draft without directly having this
Starting point is 00:14:32 combo, we're living in a world. We're just evaluating this quarterback class and Arch for what he is. And I think it's become impossible on the outside of this for the world for Arch to be anything but a superstar, like a Joe Burrow, Andrew Luck, Trevor Lawrence, number one overall type of pick. If he's not that he's just deemed as this massive disappointment or not a good player. Yeah, I mean. And that's not fair. And it's not the right way to look at this. No, 100%.
Starting point is 00:15:02 And like even Lawrence struggled, right, through the first couple of years of his career. Now I know it didn't start out, but as a prospect, for sure, for sure. He was in a pretty rare tier of quarterback process. But I think that that's a, that's a bringing up Trevor Lawrence's situation and who Trevor Lawrence was coming out of Clemson, I think is good when we talk about Arch Manning. because Trevor Lawrence was seen as the, if it doesn't work with him, like just throws quarterback scouting out the window.
Starting point is 00:15:28 Like, what are we doing here? And it still took him a little bit of time even when he got to the NFL. Because Trevor Lawrence sort of struggled with, you know, how defenses were rotating post-snap and was a little bit hesitant to get rid of the ball. And we even saw him two years ago kind of struggle with those kinds of things.
Starting point is 00:15:43 Now, starting your NFL career off with Urban Meyer and the disaster that that was, uh, obviously not an ideal way to do things. Now he's with Liam Cohen. and my goodness, like I know they were playing the Browns this past week, but Lawrence was spectacular. I mean, the last two months of the regular season last year, he was a wagon. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:16:01 Right. So he is developed into this fantastic player. And I do think that we forget to give these guys a little bit of growth in grace. But it, it, you do also have to judge players for short of what they are because you don't just always want to pie in the sky. Yes, he'll eventually be good type of a thing. This is a big year for Arch. I think all that to say, it's very simple to just say that it's a huge year for him.
Starting point is 00:16:26 It was great to see him have that comeback win because I think that if Texas would have lost that game, it's a lot of outside noise. It's a lot of internal pressure. And I don't know how much he would have taken the leap this year. And now with that win and sort of, again, exercising some demons, as he clearly said after the game of just we thought about Ohio State, I thought about Ohio State all the time. Do we really see him play a little bit more fast and free? Do we see him anticipate a little bit better?
Starting point is 00:16:55 He's less hesitant. He's getting rid of the ball a little bit earlier because I think that's the main issue that we have here with him. Anything else on Arch? Because I think we should talk about Mestemaker next. I think so too, because he's probably the biggest talking point of the entire discussion in this quarterback class. Yeah, so Drew Mestemaker, A.
Starting point is 00:17:12 That go tease. It's a very 2003. It's something. Like, I just think of, like, the era of, like, Creed and all those bands. Well, first of all, you can't say Creed like all of those bands because there's only one Creed. That's always one of the era of music. They're a category of their own.
Starting point is 00:17:36 Domestemaker in this game versus Oregon. Well, actually, I'll talk about the game at Tulsa first to start the season. He was 29 for 49, so less than 60% completion percentage, 241 yards, one touchdown, interceptions and they lost to Tulsa to open up the year. Not ideal. Three yards rushing from him on five total carries. I mean, he just, there was a lot of hype for Messamaker coming into this year. That was not the way that you wanted to put your best foot board. Now they play against Oregon. He's 26 for 43. So again, right around 60% completion percentage, but 317 yards, two touchdowns, two interceptions that were both of them tipped? Yes. I think, I think both of them were.
Starting point is 00:18:18 Both of them were tipped passes. But he also had 109 rushing yards on six carries and a rushing touchdown there as well. But it was beyond just the stats with Mestamaker. The throws were also bonkers. I mean, some of the throws that he was making constantly attacking over the middle of the field with a big frame and a big arm and NFL caliber type of a player. And even when he would sort of get in trouble and he'd sort of do that, I hate to bring this name up,
Starting point is 00:18:47 but the Josh Allen thing where he's just retreating, retreating, retreating, firing off the back foot, but it just goes straight to the wide receiver's hands in between the safety and the corner or the linebacker. You just go, okay, man, all right, I see that. I certainly see that from you. And after the game, Mestemaker talked about how in week one, he played with a lot of pressure.
Starting point is 00:19:08 I put a lot of pressure on himself. He's like, I did not play free in week one. He's like, I was worried, I was second-guessing myself, I did not play confident. and he said against Oregon, he told himself, I have to just go. I have to go and play ball.
Starting point is 00:19:23 I have to be fearless because that was worse. I played worst case scenario. I'm obviously paraphrasing for him. I'm sort of like, you know, like, I don't mean to put words in his mouth. But essentially like he was saying, I tried to mentally play this perfect game
Starting point is 00:19:36 and we lost and it was a terrible way to start the season. I need to just play completely free, completely myself, completely confident, and they go out and they beat Oregon. So to me, we'll talk about this. we get a little bit further down the quarterback rankings. The reason why I jumped him up so much is because that version of him that I saw against
Starting point is 00:19:56 Oregon is better than most of the other quarterbacks that I've seen, maybe even at their best in this class when it comes to versus an NFL standard. NFL arm, attacking the middle of the field, mobility, strength when he's taking on, tacklers. I thought all of that stuff was there. Physically, he's got all the tools, and there's a lot of quarterbacks in this class where we have to have the, well, he's not the biggest guy in the world.
Starting point is 00:20:24 You don't have to say that with Drew Mestemaker. He's got the talent, he's got the tools. And when he played like he did against Oregon, man, it's hard not to really believe in what this guy could be at the NFL level. It is really easy to like Drew Mestemaker as an NFL prospect. And this is why, even before playing at a higher level of college football, you probably saw so many boards and analysts very, very high on him. And consistently stating he is one of the more high variance players out of summer scouting.
Starting point is 00:20:56 Because he just, he has the talent where he could be picked in the top five. And you're right, Trevor, you watch week one. And you're like, man, maybe this is a bigger jump than we anticipated. And it's going to take two years for him at Oklahoma State before he makes himself into a real NFL prospect. To respond that way against Oregon not only shows how physically talented he is, but how mentally tough he is,
Starting point is 00:21:24 the way he played and in the moments. And then you want to talk about the armed talent, that touchdown throat to Wyatt Young, the long one. I mean, it was almost all arm. He's being put, the pocket is collapsing. he's like slowly step, like tiptoeing backwards and just rips it. And it's like, this guy can just make throws that are not natural. And the more big moments he has like this,
Starting point is 00:21:57 considering he did not start in high school, teams are easily going to talk themselves into him because the upside is tremendous with Mestemaker. This was the type of game that he had no business winning. this early. And it's a credit to obviously all of Oklahoma State, but he was in the center of all the big moments of that game. And the type of athlete he is, the size he has, the arm town he possesses the toughness. We'll work on that goatee going forward. But I mean, he's, yeah, would I be shocked at the end of the day if Mestemaker is one of the first two quarterbacks taken
Starting point is 00:22:33 in the spring? Shocked? No, not shocked. Yeah. A lot of people in the chat are saying like, he might not declare because he's still a younger prospect. He's just a redshirt sophomore. So maybe he doesn't, but you keep stacking games like the one that we saw against Oregon. And he's going to declare because he's going to be, he's going to be one of the top quarterback prospects in his class. By the way, just really quick, some people in the chat pointing this out is saying, hold on, Drew Messermaker is number two on Trevor's board, but then on the ticker at the bottom, he's prospect number 48.
Starting point is 00:23:00 How's that work? I didn't send Tyler the full updated big board of mine. So the ticker is from when we were going to. summer scouting. So just letting you guys know, he would be much higher now, obviously, with him being number two on my quarterback rankings. So I updated the quarterback rankings, but I haven't updated the full board yet. So just to be clear there. Big ticker on your ass. Yeah, they're on. No, they're on it. And that's why we love the people. That's why we love the people. Got a hold his count. We got to talk about Dante Moore next, right? I think that Drew Messemaker was one side of things.
Starting point is 00:23:30 And then Dante Moore was another. I don't remember what Moore's exact stats ended up being in this game. But if I remember correctly, the final stats for him were okay. But the problem was is the first half of that game was not what it needed to be from Dante Moore. And there is a lot of safe things to like about Dante Moore as a prospect, in my opinion. It plays a very clean game of football. The footwork always married up with when that ball was coming out of his hands. It's a very smooth throwing motion. He's got some really nice accuracy, especially towards the sideline.
Starting point is 00:24:16 He does. But, Conor, I am, I had this thought over summer, but he was just, he was just so efficient. I was like, you know what? I think the efficiency is enough there from him. I think he could play in the league, and I think he could be a good starting quarterback. Over the last couple of weeks, I'm wondering if he, I'm wondering if that floor for him is the same that we've always thought. Right. But that ceiling is lower than maybe we thought it was going to be.
Starting point is 00:24:49 That's sort of how I viewed Dante Moore over the last couple of weeks, not just against Oklahoma State, but also against Boise State as well. Scary game for them. So what do you think about Dante Moore from what we saw the last couple of weeks? honestly very much of the same of what I thought over the summer but now it just feels really magnified Dante Moore is in my opinion a quarterback prospect that is very hard to love
Starting point is 00:25:14 he's easy to like that's a really good way to put it he's very hard to love and what I mean by that is if you're an NFL GM that the success of your tenure is going to be based on his success I don't know if you love that idea or how you can constantly talk yourself into that idea. But if you were in a situation that Moore was a back end around one, he's going to sit behind our starter.
Starting point is 00:25:45 You can like that. But I'm with you. Like I'm going back to my summer notes just to kind of, I think he's comfortable and natural when rolling out. he's got a loose arm. He can layer throws. I think in the short area, everything's pretty snappy. I do like that he's put on weight.
Starting point is 00:26:06 It's noticeable to me because I thought he looked really slender last year. Like I thought he looked like 205 last year. And he's definitely, he went back to school, he's put on some weight. He's not fast. The one thing I wrote over the summer, I think his control of the football as a pocket passer is very mediocre.
Starting point is 00:26:25 Like not everything. is like I have such the such control of the ball and can just whip throws all the time with power. I think in bigger spots and this is why one of the things I wrote over summer was there was shades of Louisville
Starting point is 00:26:41 Teddy B who was a good prospect. He wasn't a great quarterback prospect but he was a good prospect. And with more, you just have to wonder if he's the type of quarterback talent that can truly carry your team And I think that it makes it really, really difficult because he's not talked about that way. He's talked about as a top two or three pick.
Starting point is 00:27:05 Plenty of people like him as the best quarterback in this entire draft, and that's fine. But I just have never been able to get even close to that. And it's really fascinating because I think he was going to be the number two overall pick last year. And if you asked me today, him being the one or two pick overall this year versus the field, it's the field all day. I don't see that. And he also, you know, it would be interesting to be at the combine around him and stuff, but this is just from watching the game
Starting point is 00:27:32 and, you know, listen to him in interviews and stuff. He's not a big, raw, raw kind of quarterback yet either. And that'll be something that's even talked about further as well if this season doesn't go the way Oregon hopes. And it's right now it's already not going that way. So, yeah. I'm, I obviously have Dante Moore still at number three. because I don't want to be too hyperbolic for two games into this season from a prospect that was a really clean eval that I enjoyed watching over the summer.
Starting point is 00:28:05 Right. And that's why I didn't move him. Right. But I kind of think that Darian Mentsa plays his game better than he does. It's really interesting. He just doesn't, I think, Dante Moore has a little bit better of an arm. I think so. He's got a little bit stronger of an arm than Menta. But in terms of this.
Starting point is 00:28:26 layered touch pass game. Like I think Mensa plays it better than more. So I don't think it's crazy that we get a couple more games into this thing. And I go, yeah, I'd take Darien Mensa over Dante more. So that's kind of where I'm at there. And then for Trinidad, again, I think that Dante has a little bit more physically with size than Trinidad does. But I think Trinidad plays better under pressure. Like I think Trinidad plays better with the big moments.
Starting point is 00:29:00 I like Trinidad's arm and his aggressiveness over the middle of the field for like those intermediate throws. So there are things where Dante Moore is number three for me, but Trinidad's sitting there at number four and Gary Mence is there at number five. And I can sort of make the case for both of those guys. So all of that to say, I think it was sort of consensus that it was archmanning. and it was Dante Moore sort of in that tier one of quarterbacks going into the season. And now I'm much more comfortable saying that Moore is not in that tier one with what I would consider as Arch and Mestemaker.
Starting point is 00:29:42 And he is a lot closer to sort of a pick whichever one you like the most out of Darian Mensa, Trinidad Chamble's, and then putting more into that bucket as well. So that's where I am with him. And I think that you put it perfectly when you said, Dante is an easy quarterback to like, but he's a really hard quarterback to love for an NFL standard. I think that that's very, very well put there. Thank you. And, you know, this is a good spot for more to respond the way Mestemaker just responded. Messamaker did not have the week one he hoped for, and he responded in a big way,
Starting point is 00:30:17 and Oregon season is not off to the start that they hope for. And I'm not, the thing is, I will admit, the situation around Moore right now is that Oregon has a lot of problems. Like this isn't pinning this on Dante Moore. The conversation is Dante Moore is viewed in a light that he's expected to carry the team when there are other leaks in the ship and he's not. That's the combo. Nobody is sitting here going, you know, this is Dante Moore's fault and no one else's. Oregon does have legitimate problems.
Starting point is 00:30:52 but I mean, it would be the same way if Texas lost Trev. People would be like, oh, for sure. Arch, you got to go win the game, man. Like, that's how we view you. That's how we view Dante Moore. And I know I jumped pretty far into this early, but I'm expecting C.J.
Starting point is 00:31:08 Carr to be that guy this year. And if he's not, then he's not ready for where I thought coming into the summer. But when Notre Dame plays Miami late in the season, and they play bigger, better teams, I'm ready for C.J. to make that jump. And if he doesn't, then these are the tests that put you as, hey, you're a top five quarterback in the draft. You're a top five pick in the draft first.
Starting point is 00:31:30 Hey, you need a little bit more time and you're not viewed that way. You have car at two because you had, you had car at two coming out of summer scouting. So, you know, obviously we haven't really seen anything to deter that. I had him, I had car top 10. I think I had him at eight and now he's seven for me. Yeah. So I think he popped up once. because I moved Julian Sane down. But yeah, I'm looking at the schedule for Notre Dame because I do want to talk about Julian Sane next. I'm looking at the schedule for Notre Dame.
Starting point is 00:32:04 So this week they're versus Michigan State. Then it's at Purdue. Then it's at North Carolina. Then it's versus Stanford. Then they do go to BYU. That's a tough game. BYU is number 11 in the country right now. So that's October 17th.
Starting point is 00:32:17 And then versus Navy. And then they host my. Miami November 7. So that's really, you're waiting for that last month, month and a half for C.J. Carr, and hopefully he's in a good spot where, let's face it, I think everybody knows that Notre Dame is going to make the college football playoff this year. So you're really just hoping that he's in a good place to where when the college ball playoff comes around, he's feeling good about it.
Starting point is 00:32:42 But I don't think we've really seen too much from him. I think C.J. Carr is fine. And I just got to, he's the one that I kind of got to wait on a little bit more. So let's go to, let's talk about Julian Sane as well. I think he's the other sort of hot button quarterback coming off of this past week because we mentioned the matchup between Mestemaker and Dante Moore. We talked a little bit about Trinidad Chamblis and Darian Mensa. Chambliss has a big game this weekend against LSU.
Starting point is 00:33:09 We'll talk about that at the end of the show when we're kind of highlighting some of these prospect matchups that we've got coming up this week. Do you want him to win? I really want him. I really want him to win this game. And I'm not like a, I always say I don't root for anyone in college football. I just think it would be really cool for Trinidad to beat LSU. Well, I just think, I mean, I don't mean for this to sound like a super political answer here.
Starting point is 00:33:36 I feel like I want Trinidad Chambers to beat everybody that he goes up against. It's a fun storyline. Because to me, he's also the most fun quarterback in all of college football right now. That's what I mean. Like LSU looks like there's a lot of excitement around LSU. Obviously Leavitt probably isn't playing in this game, which is a whole other quarterback storyline. But Trinidad is just,
Starting point is 00:33:57 I like that he's creating a situation that is so difficult for people like Gus to talk about where it's like, well, all the rules are you should like this guy as a prospect, but the way he plays the sport, you probably like this guy as a prospect. It's going to be real difficult if he could beat LSU and look good for people to really keep him down the rankings because he does a lot.
Starting point is 00:34:17 He does a lot of things that normal, smaller quarterbacks don't do. He's got a much better arm than you would expect. I think he's a frame is well filled out to be pretty durable heading to the next level. I think he sees things decently well. Obviously, not super well of the middle of the field because he's only, you know, 5-11. But it's better than I thought, though. He will attack over the middle of the field if things are there and he sees it. So Trinidad has a lot of fun, man.
Starting point is 00:34:43 That's the premier matchup of the week. But anyway, so let's talk about saying, Because it's another quarterback who is a little bit smaller. Do you have his official measurements? I don't think he didn't have them because he's only a red shirt sophomore. Yeah. Because he was a guy that young. He was conveniently sick that day.
Starting point is 00:35:01 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, didn't show up when the scouts show up. Interesting. No, I'm just kidding. But Ohio State, I believe, has him listed right around 6 foot 1, 21, 215 pounds. And I think when you watch saying, obviously you can see on the field, he's a little bit smaller than an NFL quarterback. typically is. But the thought process here with saying, especially coming off of last year,
Starting point is 00:35:24 his redshirt freshman year, was that he was so accurate and his anticipation was so good that he could make up for it, right? That he would remind you of all the other short quarterbacks who have sort of made it in the NFL, right? I'm not saying that he's exactly like this player, but like, purdy, right? Like, look at Purdy. Purdy does not have the tools that you would that you would say physically that's like, okay, yeah, this is absolutely an NFL quarterback. But he anticipates everything so well at an elite level. And obviously, his pairing with Kyle Shanahan really helps in that regard that it works. And he's a really effective quarterback at the NFL level.
Starting point is 00:36:00 And I think some people who really want to believe in Julian Sand kind of think that of him. And I think it was easy to sort of buy into that last year because he was very accurate. And he did make a lot of really good decisions. but this past week against Texas was a little bit of, I think, some holes in the armor of if he, this is the problem. If the bar is, well, if he plays a perfect game, then I like him. That's not a prospect that you want to bet on a lot. And I think for saying, if he plays a perfect game,
Starting point is 00:36:41 again, I like him. But even we saw against Texas, when it's a little bit not quite there, he doesn't really have the physical ability to make up for it. And that's why I lowered him from where I had him with summer scouting because when you look at that Texas game, you got to say to yourself, if you play the way that you did against Texas in the NFL,
Starting point is 00:37:06 it's not going to be pretty. It's not going to go well. And that's what makes me. me nervous about Julian saying and that's why he's a little bit lower on my rankings than where I had him over the summer. Yeah, he's somebody that just doesn't have the physical tools right out of the gate, definitely gets uplifted by the town around him a lot, you know, isn't going to take over the game and make all these plays on his own. And then he goes through, you know, checking the boxes through the NFL process. He just looks small on tape.
Starting point is 00:37:41 There's really no other way around it. Like when I watch him play and some of his lower moments, it reminds me of some of the struggles that Kade Klobnik had at that last bad year at Clemson. Where everything looks kind of erratic and you're not the biggest guy with the biggest arm. And then you get kind of out of control and you can't just physically gift your way out of it all the time. But the difference is saying he throws to the greatest wide receiver prospect. we've seen in how long.
Starting point is 00:38:13 They have a great infrastructure there. We like some of the talent on the offensive line. So that can make him a difficult deval, but he wasn't in my top 50 for the preseason big board. And I mean, he's a red shirt sophomore. I think the combo is going to quickly pivot to that we're not talking about him in this class. The trouble was saying for me is that when he is not anticipating things
Starting point is 00:38:38 at an elite level, if he is late at all whatsoever. I just don't think that he has, like you mentioned, the physical tools to make up for it. And in the NFL, there's a lot of that. I think some people think that the best quarterbacks in the NFL are just always seeing things. They're always ahead of things.
Starting point is 00:38:53 And they're never late to any reads. They never need to, you know, like get out of trouble. That's not the case. The best quarterbacks in the world have to get out of trouble all the time. You know? All the time. Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes. Like these guys, yes, they do see things.
Starting point is 00:39:09 and anticipate things at a very, very high level, but it's not every time. There's plenty of times where they might see things a little bit late. The defense does something they weren't expecting. The defense is a little bit faster here than they thought, and their physical abilities have to get them out of trouble. And I just don't think that exists with Julian's saying. And that's a tough sell for a highly drafted quarterback
Starting point is 00:39:33 if you don't physically have that ability. So tough week for them. obviously a long season for Ohio State. Hopefully he's able to continue to showcase that better anticipation, that deadly accuracy that we saw from him a lot last year. Right. And I think that's his best cause moving forward. Let's see.
Starting point is 00:39:55 We got to talk about Drake Lindsay for sure. Anybody else on this quarterback list that you really want to hit? I'd say Lindsay's the most important one. And then I feel like after some bigger games, you know, we'll spend a lot of time on Menta. We'll see what step sellers can take. Lindsay is some, we just, we didn't really talk about him a lot over summer scouting. That's why he's a good guy, a good one to talk about.
Starting point is 00:40:17 Yeah, so I felt as though when I watched Drake Lindsay, quarterback at Minnesota, who's, you know, 6'5, 230, 235 pounds. I mean, this guy is built like an NFL quarterback, absolutely. And when I was watching his tape last year, I just felt as though, yes, he had the physical stature, but I didn't even see like a big, arm from him that often because I didn't feel like he was seeing the field super confidently last year. And this year, especially that Mississippi State game, look, I understand they got whooped
Starting point is 00:40:49 in that Mississippi State game. When I had some hesitancy for calling Trinidad Chamblis, probably the most fun quarterback in college football, Camaro Taylor from Mississippi State is one of those guys who I immediately thought of in the back of my head. So it was like, well, hold on. There's a case for probably, you know, three or four quarterbacks where that could be, who have a claim to that title. Who's not eligible, by the way.
Starting point is 00:41:11 I saw some people in the chat. Yeah, not eligible. Just one reminder, he's not draft eligible. That's why you won't hear a ton about him on this show. Neither is the Cal Kid. I don't know how to say his last name. Oh, with the crazy last name. Yeah, but he's another guy that people understandably are very excited about.
Starting point is 00:41:26 So, but Lindsay in this game against Mississippi State, he was 31 for 48, right around a 64, 65% completion percentage, 279 yards, no touchdowns, no interceptions. but I thought it was a really nice game from him for an NFL prospect perspective. Like, yes, you didn't get the win, you didn't light up the scoreboard, you didn't throw for three or four touchdowns. But when you watch the tape at Drake Lindsay,
Starting point is 00:41:49 a lot to like. There are some throws over to the middle of the field that he puts some absolute heat on that you love to see. There are a couple of sideline throws that he does a great job putting back shoulder passes with pinpoint accuracy, the one that was like 30, 35 yards down the field. I mean, that's one of the best throws.
Starting point is 00:42:05 That's one of the best like NFL throws it you're going to see all season. I genuinely believe. Early in the second half, I think he pumped and then ripped it. And it was like, wow. It was on Kelly Jones too. And Kelly Jones was right there. I was watching the broadcast and it might have been Dusty DeVorechek, I think who was doing
Starting point is 00:42:24 color commentary for that game. But whoever the color commentator was, they're basically like, that receiver is not open. Like Kelly Jones is covering that wide receiver. That is just an uncovering. back shoulder throw because of how good and how accurate it was. So I think he is playing with more confidence this year. And because of that, we're seeing those physical tools more from him.
Starting point is 00:42:53 So I like where Lindsay is at right now, much more so than when I saw him during his redshirt freshman year. And I'm really excited to continue to watch him moving forward because it is not always a guarantee that these big, tall, strong-armed quarterbacks just take that next step. Lindsay looks like he has taken that next step. Now, is it all the way there yet? No, but the next step, yes, I think that happened for him. So I think that allows him to crack my top 10 here now.
Starting point is 00:43:20 I think he'll get there for me. Obviously, I want to see some more bigger games, but you're right. This is somebody that naturally with experience, there's going to be a lot to like because of the size and the arm. And they even have him work under center a little bit, which I think is great for his development. Because when you look at a big quarterback like this, if you get that under center play action going, it can really, really elevate his NFL readiness by the time he's done playing in college. He will be an interesting study of he's only a red shirt sophomore at a program that maybe he wants to stay there and build
Starting point is 00:43:59 or he'll want to go into the portal to a place to continue, whatever it may be. I don't want to jump that far ahead yet, but he's somebody that he doesn't have to rush to the NFL at all in this class that has so many guys. But we would be mistaken if we didn't talk about him and at least assume right now there's a chance he declares because of his physical tools, most notably the size and arm.
Starting point is 00:44:19 He has arm power. That's the difference with him, like driving the ball, putting the ball like you said, Trevor, in a place where the defensive back can't get it. You know, he's not exactly dropping back and throwing a superstar here and superstar there all the time. So he's somebody we got to watch closely.
Starting point is 00:44:37 Yeah, I mean, he's just a redshirt sophomore. Mestemaker's just a redshirt sophomore, right? Arch technically doesn't have to declare in this class. Right. Sayan. CJ Carr. Yeah, CJ Carr's just a red shirt sophomore, right? I think so.
Starting point is 00:44:56 A couple of redshirt sophomores Julian San is as well. So, you know, like there's a couple of redshirt sophomores who are in this top 10 of the quarterback rankings. But there we go. Any other quarterback questions you guys might have? We can get to either at the end of the show or fire him off in the comment section. We'll go back and forth to you guys there as well. People were bringing up Jaden Miava.
Starting point is 00:45:17 Jade Miava is pretty much the same that we thought of him in summer scouting. So if you want to hear our thoughts on Jaden Miava, the quarterback from USC, you can hear an in-depth conversation, go back and listen to the summer scouting episode because through three weeks for him, through two weeks. Well, yeah, again, yeah, it's technically three weeks for him. It's just part for the course. I think he's got really nice touch and accuracy,
Starting point is 00:45:40 not the strongest arm in the world, not a super mobile guy, true definition of a pocket passer, but somebody who can, I think, really move the ball down the field pretty well. He's just not the most physically gifted quarterback in the world, but somebody who can, I think, operate in offense for you. So we'll see USC in a couple bigger games moving forward
Starting point is 00:45:57 as their season goes on. But I do want to move to the part of the, part of the show where we are sounding the alarm or you guys are sounding the alarm here. And what we're going to do is we're going to highlight three or four prospects. I forgot to check with our producer, whether we're doing three or four. And what we're basically doing here is we're either wide awake on this. Like the alarm is going off. We're wide awake.
Starting point is 00:46:23 This is real issue that we've seen through a couple of weeks of the season. We're hitting snooze. or so it's like, okay, we recognize the struggles, but I'm going to give it a little bit more time. Or we're just turning the alarm off. Like, no, I don't care. It's a slow start to the season. It does not matter. We're totally fine here.
Starting point is 00:46:40 So I don't even know which prospect we're doing first. So the chef can reveal the first prospect that we have here. And this is David Stone, the defensive tackle from Oklahoma. How serious is the concern here, Connor? what do you think the alarm's going off for david stone he hasn't really shown up too much six point seven percent pass rush win percentage for david stone two weeks into the season where are you with this obviously this is a prospect that you were a little bit higher on than i was yeah where are you here it's it's turned it off right now for me because it's spent two games
Starting point is 00:47:18 but you would have liked to see them as a whole play better against michigan for me trevor if he came out of the gate and had the exact win rate that you just brought up but was dominant against the run like we know he could be I'd be like yeah he's gonna gain some positive momentum as the pass rusher as the season goes on
Starting point is 00:47:40 I didn't think he was great against the run against Michigan which was kind of one of those man like it's turned it off right now because it's only been two weeks but you see hit the snooze which I know you went with there we have one more game like this then I will be hitting the snooze with you on that because it kind of becomes like a, hey, the reason I'm ranking you so high is your size and power gives you such a great floor against the run.
Starting point is 00:48:05 And I know that pass rush is going to evolve. But it just hasn't looked very good through two weeks at all. Yeah, I went back and watched specifically that Michigan game from them. And he's just, it's the same concerns that I have with him over the summer. The first step can be excellent when he, He gets off the ball with good leverage and the hands are up and inside. Those, going back to sort of the way we talked about quarterbacks a couple of minutes ago, those perfect refs from David Stone, excellent, difference making.
Starting point is 00:48:34 He's in the backfield, offensive linemen have a tough time really handling it. But there are times when he gets off the ball, the hands are moving fast, and nothing really happens. The offensive lineman can handle him decently well. And I think he's got short arms. I think, I don't know what his exact arm length measurement is, but the way he gets got by offensive linemen, and the way it is easy for them to recover against Stone's really nice first-step athleticism,
Starting point is 00:49:06 tells me that he's not really able to create that distance with better arm length and sort of take advantage of that really good first step. And so I'm definitely hitting the snooze here because I'm not full-blown panic because honestly, I was a little bit lower on him, so I kind of expected to see these things. but we got to make the jump here. Like you've got to turn that athleticism into something and then especially from what you mentioned,
Starting point is 00:49:30 at the very least you've got to be better against the run because they'll play him everywhere. They play him as a three tech. They play him as a note technique. They have him all over that defensive line on the interior. And I just felt as though there were way too many times where the offensive line got the better of him one-on-one. And if there was a rep where he was
Starting point is 00:49:51 really dominating a double team, I missed it against Michigan. Because when double teams come his way, he's not a factor at all. And I would like to see him be at least a little bit more of a factor and put up a little bit more of a fight with that. So I'm definitely hitting the snooze button here with him because I'm getting close to being worried about people talking about him as a first round caliber prospect. I was always a little bit cool on that. But yeah, I would have liked to see a lot more from him to start the season.
Starting point is 00:50:20 Yeah, and it's obviously not the result that Oklahoma as a team wanted against Michigan, which kind of magnifies, you know, their top players. And he is one of their top players. There's no way around it. We got Anthony Smith as the next one. I think Anthony Smith is next. So I know this is somebody you really liked over summer. Yeah, defensive linemen from Minnesota, six foot six, 280 pounds.
Starting point is 00:50:45 He's a fifth year senior. I really liked him coming out of summer. I thought there was some potential for him to be a uniquely built edge rusher to play as a five technique, to play as a four-eye. He even did some stuff from a three-point stance as, you know, like a wide seven type of a rusher as well, despite being that size. But let's reveal, because I don't know what your answer was, but I'm wide awake on this one. This one's not good for Anthony Smith. I don't think the numbers are great from him. but specifically you go back to that Mississippi State game
Starting point is 00:51:21 that they played this past weekend. He's just, it's kind of like David Stone. He was so much less of a factor in the run game than I thought. Right. And that's got to be his calling card, but his size. And there were reps where, I mean, he's got long arms and these offensive linemen are almost like putting him on his heels. And you could see his arms not be fully extended and locked.
Starting point is 00:51:51 out and I'm like, dude, you got to, you got to use those bad boys. Those are the physical gifts that you have. You've got to create that space. You've got to get these offensive linemen on their heels. And so he has been much less of an impact and specifically in the strength run defense game. I was really disappointed when I watched him against Mississippi State because even, Connor, even in the reps where he did kind of control the offensive linemen that was in front of him. he didn't he didn't stack and shed he didn't rip off the block and make a play as the running back
Starting point is 00:52:24 was getting close to him he was just kind of a non-factor and obviously for as high as I had him in my rankings to start the season that's a that's a big time I'm wide awake from what I saw over over the last couple of weeks with him I'm with you I mean I can't say that I was a big fan this summer but just what stands out to me is he just doesn't make an impact on tape enough it's it's I know it's such a simple thing to say, but obviously at that size, he's not a unique enough mover that he's going to change the game up front that way. And if you're not, and you're going to be more of a, he's built like a big end, right? You think of the guys in the league that are 280 pounds and they have alignment versatility. They could be a bigger defensive end for you on passing
Starting point is 00:53:07 downs. Maybe they can kick inside and play interior alignments. He's just got to play a stronger, more violent brand of football. If you want to be one of those prioritized big ends and And it's just he's been in college football for a while. And I don't see him take over in enough moments to really get too excited about him as this top 100 kind of a pick. By the way, people in the chat are saying that the chef is A-Iing goatees on all of these guys. Like this is the chef's work. Yeah, when did the goatee come back? I don't know.
Starting point is 00:53:42 I don't know. Savvy play by Tyler. We didn't even notice. I can't do it. There's no way. I feel like I can't. I can't. You could.
Starting point is 00:53:51 I just wouldn't recommend it. Yeah. Yeah, I don't think I can. I don't think I can do it. I don't think I could pull up a mustache either. My dad's got a legendary mustache that he's had for as long as I've been. I remember at the wedding. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:54:05 Yeah. I mean, it's iconic. It's amazing. It's very, like, modern day Western movie. Mustache. Like, you could do. the like a hell or high water mustache. There's a couple good mustaches in that one.
Starting point is 00:54:23 Let me pull up. Yeah. You can do. You'd be surprised to hear. I don't. I'm assuming that that's a movie that I haven't seen. Yeah. I know you love movies, but surprisingly you missed that one.
Starting point is 00:54:35 Chris Pine has a mustache in hell or high water that you could absolutely, you could absolutely nail. I'm telling you. Yeah. Give it a shot. Good movie. out of modern day westerns, which are very, very hit or miss. Damn, everybody's got a mustache in this movie.
Starting point is 00:54:52 Yeah, everybody does. But you got the Chris Pine one, which is one of the better ones. So, there you go. Wait, and then Chris Pine's sitting next to this guy who's got a sick goatee. I think Ben Foster, you're probably thinking of. Dude, this is just a, this is just a facial hair movie right here. Yes. Yeah, we got to get you in on that, too.
Starting point is 00:55:10 We got to get you, you know, we got to get you to grow out the goatee. I'll bring it. I'll bring it back. I don't know. It's not a good idea. It's nothing good about that. Thims would never let me hear the end of it every day, every single day. I had a mustache one day and he spent 30 minutes of the show on it.
Starting point is 00:55:26 So I think the Goatee is going to stay kept away in the attic. Do you, I watch a lot of sports center in the mornings. And Gary Streisky and Randy Scott are my favorite, just because, you know, like they're, they're close to us in age. They say all the millennial humor. Like it's just, I think those two are the best. They're super clever. they have a great time with it.
Starting point is 00:55:49 I'm laughing and having a good time, basically every single sports center that I watch it they host. And Randy is growing a beard right now. And just every single show, somebody roast him for something. It's not even always like Gary. Like Gary will sometimes roast him for it,
Starting point is 00:56:06 but sometimes they'll have like the guests on. Like, oh man, who was the one the other day? Like Herm Edwards was on. I think like a couple weeks to. And like Herm, even like at the very, end like he's analyzing something they're analyzing the game coming up or whatever and then just at the end boom put throws in a shot against Randy's beard and uh I just think it's always I think it's always pretty funny you got to be careful with what facial hair you launch it can when you're on camera for a
Starting point is 00:56:34 living because boy can you you can become the main character quite quickly yeah it's true you don't love that true uh I think we have one more two more oh Damon Wilson's next so Damon Wilson a little bit quieter of a debut than I think we thought that he would have at Miami, especially because they played Stanford without Nikki Prongos. And then also Fam U, I think was the other game that they played here. Let's reveal what level we're at with Damon Wilson. So we're both on the same page here. We're turning the alarm off.
Starting point is 00:57:09 I'm not worried about it quite yet, especially for sort of where I had him preseason. I think he's totally fine. I saw the limitations from him, but I also think he does a lot of things pretty well. So I'm not sitting here saying, oh, super worried. He's still got like a 13 and a half percent passers win percentage. What I'd like for it to be higher? Yeah, but I'm not too worried about a quiet start here for Damon Wilson from Miami. I'm not either, especially when you look at against Florida.
Starting point is 00:57:36 So he's like, yeah, these guys have played two games. He's basically played one in a quarter. So against Florida A&M, which Miami, understandably steam rolled. He played 17 snaps. They're not keeping their guys out there in those games. So he's been, he looks fine like I watch him move. I try to watch that Miami defensive line every week
Starting point is 00:58:01 because there's so many draft guys that we were interested in. But no, this is no concern here at all. Let's see what it's like when the games get bigger. Yep, I agree. Did we have a fourth or was, or was, that went it. Oh, we did have a 40. There is.
Starting point is 00:58:17 So this is on the other side of things. So the first three guys that we were talking about were sort of from a negative perspective, where they haven't been playing super well and we're a little bit worried about it. This is Isaiah Satania, the wide receiver from Oklahoma, who had a really good opening week. And then against Michigan, I think it was a struggle for everybody. But where are we at here with Isaiah Satania? Let's reveal sort of where we're both at. So we're both at the same spot.
Starting point is 00:58:42 We're hitting the snooze button. We need to see more from them. I'm very intrigued, man. When I watched Satania last year, and I even watched him when he was Arkansas, I thought he was just a go route receiver. That's it. Track superstar, running a straight line, get down the field. Maybe we'll throw you the ball.
Starting point is 00:59:00 Maybe you'll be a decoy. This year, Connor, I think, is different. I think he has learned to tempo that speed. I think he has learned how to really take sharper breaks in his routes, and that acceleration is really showing up just as much as the long speed is. So it wasn't a good day for basically everybody with Oklahoma against Michigan, but I'm very intrigued from what we're seeing from Isaiah Satania because every year there's one or two guys who are just these speed demon wide receivers
Starting point is 00:59:30 who get picked, you know, top 100, top 75, whatever it is, because the NFL believes that they're more than just their top speed, that they're kind of more of a complete receiver. and I wonder if maybe we get to that world with Satania, who's also an excellent punt returner as well. Yeah, you want to see him, and I'm with you, somebody I won't pretend to be incredibly high on over summer. I think I had him as wide receiver 17 when I went through the wide receivers.
Starting point is 00:59:57 You know, he's a lighter player, really dynamic after the catch. You love that he can return punts because he's done a lot of it in college. Can he try to develop himself into an Antonio Williams? type of player, right? Where you probably like him in the slot, but like you said, Trevor, because of the athleticism, can you become a better separator and still have those dynamic after the catch skills
Starting point is 01:00:23 where he's so elusive? So I'm with you or it's just kind of one we're watching. I'm not going to be like, whoa, he's a totally different guy, but undeniably an interesting player deeper into this wide receiver class. Yep. So that's all we had for this segment. I'll sort of open the floor.
Starting point is 01:00:44 Are there any other prospects that you kind of want to shout out that you've seen over the last couple of weeks? Two that immediately come to mind for me. Jeremiah McClellan, the wide receiver from Oregon. I did not get eyes on him going into the season. I think he is talented. I almost got him in the conversation of the mock draft episode that we had a couple of weeks ago. Like I think he reminds me a lot of Jordan. Madison skill set where, man, I think he could absolutely play in the league and be a starting
Starting point is 01:01:15 caliber wide receiver. But I've liked what I've seen from him early on. Deuce Alexander, the wide receiver from Old Miss, somebody that I think deserves a shout out. I know Dame Bruebler, the goat, was saying that he had talked to scouts last year and he was asking him about the Sean Stribling. And they even told him like, hey, watch out for Deuce Alexander next year. We kind of think he's a little bit better.
Starting point is 01:01:39 So he's somebody who's got a lot of speed to him as well. He's shown up over the last couple of weeks and obviously really big test against LSU upcoming this week. And we'll kind of talk about that a little bit more when we get somebody's prospect matchups. Those were two that immediately came to my mind that I have watched early on here that I didn't get to talk about during summer scouting that I think are worth a shout out because they're decently high on the big board to start the season.
Starting point is 01:02:02 I'm going to give someone a shout out. It just reminded me from the chat. I'm the prodigy kind of reminded me of this. Trayda is green. looks awesome to start out the season. And that's not a whole, and way to be on that, chef. That's not because this is a on the fly discussion here. We knew how dynamic he was as a past catching mismatch player over summer.
Starting point is 01:02:25 I thought the tape, despite his odd build, when you're 6-7-237, it's like, how are you going to play on the Y? I always thought the effort was really good. But it can only get you so far, especially when you're playing the leverage game, you're lighter. I think he's looked really, really good, trying to be a bigger factor in the trenches as a blocker for their run game
Starting point is 01:02:47 while still being a really, really dynamic threat in the past game. This is a guy right now that is trying to cement himself into the first round. And if he really has made himself into even an average blocker in the zone running game while being such a unique pass-catching threat, he's going to go in the first round. I mean, a huge week for him to show up in a big way against the old miss, right? I mean, if this is, everybody's going to be watching this game.
Starting point is 01:03:17 With a backup quarterback, probably. What did you say? Probably with him catching passes from a backup quarterback. Yeah, it sounds, I don't even know who the backup quarterback is for LSU. I saw it today, and it was a name I knew, and I was like, oh, college is weird because now we're in the world where every starter feels like they're from the portal at quarterback, but behind them was once upon a time somebody. that you heard a lot about in recruiting.
Starting point is 01:03:40 Right. And then they'll just transfer somewhere else. It's very, very strange. Oh, somebody in the chat asked thoughts on Lincoln Keenholz, the quarterback from Louisville. I only have seen live. And obviously, he was sick watching him live. But I haven't sat down to actually watch the All-22 and think about how legitimate of a prospect he is.
Starting point is 01:04:04 Another guy I wanted to shout out, this is a senior, somebody that we're going to be talking about throughout the All-Star circuit. Ansel Din Nibu, the defensive tackle from TCU. He's just under 6'2, 300 pounds. So he's got kind of that bowling ball build to him. But man, as a three-technique defensive tackle, I was really impressed from what I saw from him, especially in that opening game against North Carolina. Man, he looked good.
Starting point is 01:04:30 He is a better athlete than you would expect for 300 pounds. He is flexible. I think he's got great balance, good core strength, very strong. active hands. He's never, despite having a little bit shorter of arms, he's never letting these offensive tackles get hands on him inside and really be able to maintain these blocks. Although the pass rush bag with him being a senior is deep from everything that I have heard and learned about him.
Starting point is 01:04:53 He's a super high character dude. I am really impressed with him. And I think he's somebody who could be a potential, you know, top 75, top 60 type of a three technique defensive tackle in this class. So wanted to shout him out as well. because I've been pretty impressed with what I've seen from him. Yeah, I mean, that's a really good shout, a player that I haven't seen as much of.
Starting point is 01:05:16 I was trying to go through my notes to see some guys that we, that weren't a part of summer scouting. One that caught my eye week, one that I posted about was Keishon Johnson on Syracuse. Yes, yes. He's so interesting because last year when he was at UT Martin, he set their sack record 13 and a half. And then he had three sacks in his first game for Syracuse.
Starting point is 01:05:44 So he also, I learned this, he went to St. Thomas Aquinas. That is where both of the Bosa brothers went. And Kishon has the sack record. That's crazy. I did not know that. For St. Thomas Aquinas. Yes. Yes.
Starting point is 01:06:02 He has the sack record. So. Man. worth keeping on the radar for sure. It's just, you know, because you try to be careful of how much you take away from some of these lighter matchups early on in the season. But when a guy can move that way and bend, it's like, okay, I'm going to see where this goes. Because if you can really have that first step and bend, you have such a foundation. Last one, at which I'm sure we'll talk other prospects when we get to the super chats here in the after the episode part of the show.
Starting point is 01:06:34 Jimothy Lewis Jimothy You heard me right That's like what you call Like if you have like a friend named Jim And you're just messing around You're like hey Jimithy Yeah
Starting point is 01:06:45 Nice I'm glad somebody committed to the actual name Jimothy Lewis That's awesome He's a cow He is only a red shirt sophomore I believe this is his first year As a full time starter Kind of doubt he declares
Starting point is 01:06:57 But he is 6 foot 6,000 pounds He's built like an NFL offensive tackle He's played both left tackle and right tackle before. He was at Mississippi State before he was at Cal. He started four games last year. Now he's a full-time starter at Cal.
Starting point is 01:07:15 But the athleticism for him, excellent. I think he's got the frame to even put on more weight, whether it's another year in college or an early year in the NFL, but the flexibility is there. The feet move very quickly. He is not a passive player at all, despite the fact that his movement skills have a lot of finesse to them.
Starting point is 01:07:35 He is inexperienced, and I do think that he needs to gain more way to handle power and anchor a little bit better. But man, we want to talk about like framework for a guy who could potentially be a starter at the pro level. He's built like it. He moves like it. A lot of potential there for Jim Matthew Lewis, the offensive tackle there, Cal. Anybody else?
Starting point is 01:07:55 No. Is that it? We're getting into the super. I think we got our look ahead time, though. Oh, yeah, yeah. We do. I forgot. I forgot.
Starting point is 01:08:01 We got to get to that. So prospect matchups. this week, a little bit of what to watch here. Obviously, Ole Miss versus LSU. That is the premier matchup. You know, it was going to be Trinidad Chambliss, you know, versus Sam Levitt, but looks like Sam Levitt's probably not going to play this game. Apparently, he was at the walkthrough today.
Starting point is 01:08:21 Levitt, so I don't know if Lane is up to his usual tricks. I'm not going to, you know, I thought of that too. I thought that he, is he just listed Levitt as doubtful because it's Lane? Yeah, but doubtful, what in your life has anybody ever played when they're listed doubtful? I can't think of one. Basically never. But Lane Kiffin would do this. Yeah, if there was somebody that was going to buck that trend.
Starting point is 01:08:50 It would be lame. Did you see the, I might have got got, but the like Sam Levitt preparation graphic? I didn't see it. Okay, maybe it's fake. And I'm wondering if you got got, got. Just from you thinking maybe you got God. It's totally fine if I did because it's still funny. There's a graphic online of Sam Levitt's readiness routine.
Starting point is 01:09:15 Maybe it was shown during the broadcast of a game. Yeah, it was from ESPN. Okay, this isn't fake. Sam Levitt readiness? They showed it during the game. So Sam Levitt's readiness routine. Oh, my God. The chef has it.
Starting point is 01:09:28 Hold on. Hold on. The chef has it. The chef has it. You're going to love this, Trev. Okay. readiness routine nine and a half to ten hours of sleep including naps blue light glasses one hour before bed what if he's not looking at screens he's just still wearing the blue light glasses i guess
Starting point is 01:09:49 he can't look at any form of light wait wait it's okay the next one is phone down at 8 p.m so he's not so wait he's not looking at his screen at all whatsoever but he's got to put the blue light glasses Maybe he's watching a show. Okay. The phone goes down, though, because you know the phone is so close. Sure. Fair, fair, fair, fair. FRC routine.
Starting point is 01:10:12 I don't know what that is. Neither do I. Now I'm nervous because I just said it out loud on the show. Functional range conditioning uses slow active joint rotations and targeted contractions to improve your mobility and joint health. Okay. EQ flux, electric wave and full body. body flush.
Starting point is 01:10:33 All right. Yep. Right. Of course. Systemic energy or relaxation bans. Organic food. Chef. And then in parentheses, it says,
Starting point is 01:10:48 Chef. What college kid is living like this? Tyler put on the breaking news on the ticker, Levick gets ready before bed. Oh my God. then he says no microplastics only glasses okay my wife would co-sign with that so never hand sam levitt a bottle of water
Starting point is 01:11:12 no god well yeah yeah yeah no he'd throw it right back in he'd yeah he'd like sorry can't do it concentrated seawater this is where this is where you lose me this is where it says magnesium just take the magnesium pill bro concentrated seawater Is this guy just drinking the Gulf of Mexico? Oh, boy.
Starting point is 01:11:38 It's on Amazon. Concentrated? It's on Amazon? Yeah, it's on Amazon. And then the last one is genetic testing slash blood work to optimize cortisol and stress levels. Not a bad thing to do. No. I will say.
Starting point is 01:11:58 Not a bad thing to do at all whatsoever. It's good to make sure that you're getting your blood work done. everybody out there make sure you get your yearly physicals doesn't matter how old you are make sure you guys are going to get your yearly physicals doing blood work very key living a happy and healthy life but how often is he doing this
Starting point is 01:12:13 every night before bed he's acting like he's getting blood work every night well he's checking his cortisol levels which can change at any hour live it is cortisol max he's anti-cortisol maxing light said his bedroom probably looks like the place they gave Captain
Starting point is 01:12:35 America his super soldier zero. I mean, I don't know, this feels like a lot before a game. Or before every night. Dude, what happened to just what happened to just go into Olive Garden the night
Starting point is 01:12:53 before a big game? Bread sticks. What happened to a little, what happened to just a little carb loading? A little sodium loading. A little all you can eat soup and salad, I think I actually want this graphic for every quarterback now. Because you know there'd be some really good ones.
Starting point is 01:13:13 You know? Hot and ready. That'd be my readiness routine for a game. It would just be one bullet point. Hot and ready. Little Caesars and in parentheses, meat lovers. Yeah, this is, and we'd be ready. This definitely has like looks maxing vibes, only football readiness version.
Starting point is 01:13:37 Yeah, I had to bring that to the show. I'm glad it's real. I didn't, I wasn't had, as the kids would say. Well, this is good. Well, this is good. I don't think you're unc yet. Not yet. If this was like AI on Facebook and I brought it to the show, then I'm definitely unc.
Starting point is 01:13:54 Yeah, you were, I was nervous for you. You got really scared right away. I was really nervous. I was really nervous. I was really, really nervous for you. But, hey, now we at least have the TikTok that we're going to post this week. So that's good. There you go.
Starting point is 01:14:06 Going over this. That's good. Okay. The other game. other than that that we had here. One of the matchups, Trinidad Chambliss, going up against LSU safety, Ty Benefield,
Starting point is 01:14:16 who is one of the safety that is very highly regarded in this safety class. Obviously, you could also watch Trey as Green, Trey Wilson's in this game. We get Kiwan Lacey, Centering Perkins, Jordan Seton. You know, Jordan Seaton in this game, Jordan Seton versus Blake Purchase and Centering Perkins.
Starting point is 01:14:37 So I think that that's a big matchup that we have. What's the next one after this game? Florida State versus Alabama. There's only one that I had, you know, do we get Gibral Rawls versus Ryan Coleman Williams? These are guys that, depending on who you ask, top 100 prospects, top 75 prospects, again, just guys who have some NFL future to him. This is the Connor Rogers.
Starting point is 01:15:01 This has my mitts all over it. This is the Connor Rogers. This is your two sons. Right. you had PJ Williams, the offensive tackle from SMU, as your number two offensive tackle in this class, and you had Clef Lubin, the Clember. Clemmer. You had him as your number two edge, number three edge?
Starting point is 01:15:26 Three. Simmons and Stewart above him. Oh, right, right. So what's interesting is-you're going head to head this week. PJ Williams is playing left tackle this year. He's been a right tackle for years. so good for him that position versatility i was kind of going into the year like hey he's just a right tackle that's fine but he's playing left tackle he looks really good through two be as not a lot
Starting point is 01:15:51 of pressure and then clevma you already know the the lubin jokes are the chat i can't i just i can't read the chat i just can't read the chat every single time we talk about club lubin yeah we're We're going to have to take a break. We're going to have to take a break. We're all out of Lubin. Okay, the last one, the last one is just more of Florida's playing against Auburn. And there's a lot of unknown for Auburn. Byron Brown is obviously their quarterback.
Starting point is 01:16:23 So, you know, if you're, if you're into Byron Brown as a quarterback prospect in this class, you know, he's somebody that you watch, Jaden Baugh, appointment television. I feel like every single week. But I'll shout at a couple of other guys. There's two guys on Florida's offensive line, Naji Harris. Nagee Harris, maybe is how you see his name? He's their offensive guard. And then Harrison Moore, who's their center.
Starting point is 01:16:46 Both those guys have had really, really nice starts to the season. More experienced players, either either seniors or redshirt seniors, if I remember correctly. But those guys can play, man. Played really well. And a lot of those, Jaden Bob, big runs. He's running behind those two guys. And so Lakota Dupree as well, their tight end, a blocking tight end, who I think has a decent NFL future to him as well. So Florida Auburn matchup, kind of just more of a, hey, there's two big programs.
Starting point is 01:17:13 It's a handful of NFL guys that are involved in this one. But those are the, I think the premier prospect matchups that we have for this week, obviously headlined by that Old Miss and LSU game. We'd love to hear from you guys, just everything that we kind of did here on this draft guide episode. It's very malleable, the word that Connor is used before here on this. podcast. Liable. Appropriate way. Anyway.
Starting point is 01:17:33 Pliable. Flexible. There's a lot of things. Be like Sam Levitt. What was it? FRC joint. Flexible. Routine.
Starting point is 01:17:47 Yeah. It's C. I don't know. I don't remember what the C word was. I don't remember. Crock pot. That's what I'm going with. We would love to hear from you guys about what you thought kind of of of this format.
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Starting point is 01:18:53 We'd love to talk some ball with you twice a week. Monday's Thursday, 3 p.m. Eastern. anything else Connor before we get out of here no we got some super chats we'll close out the post show with and uh i love doing this because man it's it's a great way to stay on top of the draft week by week when you're like oh yeah that happened that happened and we're about to get some really good games over these next couple weeks as well yeah yeah no it's it's gonna be great if you're watching live stick around for the after the episode portion of the show if you miss it you can catch it on Fridays when we release it as sort of that fan mailman
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