Nightcap - Nightcap Hour 1: Sam Darnold LEADS Seahawks to Super Bowl + Patriots win the AFC & are BACK in the SUPER BOWL

Episode Date: January 26, 2026

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to the Seattle Seahawks beating the Los Angeles Rams 31-27 to advance to the Super Bowl, the New England Patriots beat the Denver Broncos in a blizzard to head to the Super Bowl and much more! Subscribe to Nightcap presented by PrizePicks so you don’t miss out on any new drops! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NI... 7:54 - Seahawks beat Rams31:30 - Pats beat Broncos (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hold on, hold on. Hey, did you ask him if I could perform with him? No, I ain't asking that. Yeah, you know, you know, I do a little rap. Yeah, yeah, I know. I know. You know, we're saving that. We're saving that for a later day and time.

But we're going to let LaRussel have some stage by himself. Okay. The Seattle Seahawks hold on to beat and beat the rounds by the score of 31 to 24. Sam Darnel was 25 and 36, 3.46, 3 touchdowns, no interceptions. They ran the ball 26 time for 75 yards, one touchdown. JSN 10 catches of buck 53, one touchdown. and Cooper Cup caught another touchdown.

Jake Bobo had a touchdown. Matthew Stabbert was just as equally as great. 22 or 35. Yes. 374. Three touchdowns. Pooka Nakua, $9.465 in a touchdown. Devante Adams, 4 for 89 on a touchdown.

Kyra Williams, two for 22 at a touchdown. But it was costly turn over the punt. They muffed the punt. He got away with it the first time, Mocho. He jumped on it. This time he could not get away from it. and the Seattle Seahawks are going back to the Super Bowl. Super Bowl 60 would be a rematch of Super Bowl 49

when the New England Patriots take on the Seattle Seahawks. Ocho, the Seattle earned their fifth trip to the Super Bowl. They have yet to win. They haven't won one yet, I've been. So yeah, Seattle. Yeah, the Legion of Boone. They beat the Bronco. Beat the Breaks off us, 48 to 3.

Yeah, I'm trying to forget that one. They put that ass on us. Ocho, watching this game, man. And they were dealing. Yeah. But I thought Seattle made just a few more plays defensively, and that was the difference in the ball game. That was the exact difference in the ball game.

I was going to come down to defense, Unk, obviously both quarterbacks were dealing. Both offenses were very efficient on the ground, having a lot of balance on the ground to be able to do what they did in the passing game. Matthew Stafford was phenomenal, Unk. He was phenomenal. Kudos to them, even though they didn't win this game.

They played offensively, extremely, extremely well. What I saw from Sam Donald is a Saram Donald that I know we needed to see in order for them to be able to win this game. A Sam Donald that they were going to pressure, that were going to get him off his spot where he had to make plays that were off script that weren't exited nose, things that were away from the goddamn game plan in general. And he was able to do that. Obviously, goddamn. What more can I say about the JSN that we saw tonight? What more can I say about the JSA that we've seen all season long? J.S.N has been Rosebo.

The Rosevo, Jensen, that we saw at the Rose Bowl in goddamn college with the JSA, we've seen the entirety of this season, including tonight's game. He has one more game where he needs to be that JASN that we saw at the Rose Bowl when he was, when myself was introduced to him and who he was and how special of a talent he was. I never knew he would be what we saw this season, but man, he's one special dude outside of that defensive to the Seahawks were the Seahawks. They almost, almost, I'm glad

Tariq Wolling, that costly penalty didn't cost them, didn't cost them the game. Outside of that, it was a great game, yeah. I mean, can I ask you something real quick, and I know how you are, I know how you are when it comes with discipline. Hey, chat, y'all let me know what you think about,

about the taunting. And I think when it comes to the game of football, we should still be able to be allowed to express In front of opposing teams bench? No, no, that's what he did. Not that. Yeah, but this is the NFC championship game. Do you really want to call something like that?

You say you was a team game? Where was this team back celebrating with him? No, no, no, no. It's just team game. You say you will express yourself. I thought we'd celebrate because the NFL say, you know what? We'll let you celebrate with your team because before they wouldn't let you celebrate with your team. Right.

So now they say, you know what? It's a team game. Let's celebrate with him. So where was this teammate that was celebrating with it? No, I know I'm here, I heard you saying, but I'm just saying. In that situation, so you don't, you don't, so you think about it. Not only did he do that, what happened to the very next play on Cho? For the people that didn't see it at home.

They went right at him, monk. They went right at him. That's what made it even worse. And I'm glad that penalty didn't cost them the game because they went, went right back at him on the very next play to put with the core down the sideline. But I mean, I just, I just, I just hate to see those type of family come out. Obviously, obviously, willing has to be a lot smarter in that. situation. You made a great play. You made it you made a great play. Um, and obviously

it was fourth and it was going to be fourth and 12 until until they threw the flag. And obviously you got a little beside himself. Uh, is unfortunate, but hey, because he's in his own head. So that's the best chance to take, uh, take advantage of him because he knows what he's done. He's like, oh my goodness. Yeah. We were off the field. We're about to get the ball back. We're already up to yeah. Who boy, we're about to get the ball back. Hey, uh, yes, sir. Yes, Sir, feeling good, feeling good. What have I done? Oh, Joe, they let you get away with it.

How long, let me ask your question. Yes. How long do you want to stand there and celebrate in front of their bench? Because they let you get away with it initially. The official didn't throw the flag, but you just stood there and just started walking up and and just looking at him. Yeah, yeah, he kept going. Yeah, he kept going.

So I just wanted, I mean, if it, like Kea and Pills say, is it one pump? Is it two pumps? Is it three pumps? Five, ten. Yeah. I just want to know how many, how many pumps he want to get. Because the official, the picture was standing right there, Ocho, he let it go. He's like, you know what?

Yeah, he lets go to be. Oh my, oh, Joe, say, you don't feel it good. I'm going. He kept going. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was a little excessive.

It was a little, you know. Hey, listen, listen, talk your trunk, talk your shit. You almost intercepted. You made a great play on Puka, you know, say what you need to say and going back to business. I've seen previews that didn't last this long. I don't know what he was thinking. And then Nick Eman. Worry got it afraid and did he get mad at Nick?

Bro, why are you mad? The guy's telling you, bro, we're off the field. And you doing that, we're going to get an opportunity. Now, just think about it, Ocho, you get to celebrate all you want to right now. Just keep celebrating. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. So I don't have no problem.

I know E. Manwari is a rookie, but I love this gentleman can flat out play. He is a effing player. He will thump, he can cover. He doesn't have a weakness in his game. He is as good as he's better than advertised. Now, I don't know, hey, I don't know what, who let him pass get all the way down to the second round, considering that what he did at the combine,

but he is, he's going to, hey, he's going to hear the state. Go ahead, Ocho. Hold on, hold on. Speaking of him, like, can you please explain to me, chat? Maybe you guys can help me in and fill me in. Maybe it's something that I don't know, unc. Maybe, maybe you can fill me in and educate me on how Poole de Kua fell to the

goddamn fifth round. I'm not sure with the scouts. He didn't run fast. sure with the owners. Aren't you? What are the best thing? Oh, 40 time, man? And that, and that is the problem.

Some of the best receivers that ever played this game, it had nothing to do with it. I know. The game of football is not played in the straight line. I'm not sure why the emphasis on 40 time is talked about so much. And the funny thing about it is, chat, stay with me real quick, is the way the NFL is built is you can become, you can change your life. If you can run in a straight line as fast as hell, you can get you a lot. you can get you a large lump sum and be set and be set for life.

Now, eventually you will get exposed because if you don't have the other intangibles that come into play when it comes to playing the game of football. I mean, you come on, man. You preach into the choir. You talk about some of the greatest players, a Emmett Smith, a Jerry Rice, or Shannon Sharp, or Tom Brady. It's okay. But they put so much emphasis when you don't play in a straight line.

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And the funny thing when I think about it and I understand it when it comes to the game of football, having speed, having it as a factor and you have it in your toolbox, that's a great thing. That's an awesome thing. But it's not needed to have success week in and week out at your Pacific or specified position. You don't have to be fast. It's all about understanding angles, leverages, being able to manipulate whatever or whoever it is in front of you. Understanding the game.

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That's it. I think the thing is, Coach's like things. that they cannot coach. I can't coach speed. You can't teach speed. I can't coach you high. I can't coach your size.

So those things, see, I can teach you technique, Coach. I can teach you how to back down. I can teach you how to drive a T-step. I can teach you how to bend. I can teach you how to bend. I can teach you to have to turn speed into power. I can't teach you how to run fast. Either you have it or you don't.

It's either in you or it's not. And people say, well, you could all row, you could, a person that's like, well, he went from this to that. That was in him. Someone taught him technique, but he could always run fast because if that was the case, you could teach Tom Brady how to run 4-4.

If you could teach somebody how to run fast, you could teach Tom Brady how to run 4-4. You can't because his makeup won't allow it, no matter how much technique he has. With that being said, Ocho, Clint Kubiak was in his bag. Now, he's got to get a head coach's job. Now, I don't know if it's going to be the Raiders.

I don't know if it's going to be. Because it seems like everybody turns the Browns down. They're like, no, take me off the list. I only want to interview for that job. You got to understand. Nobody wants to go to the Brown simply because they're in quarterback purgatory right now. They don't know what they're going to do in that direction.

Now, all the teams, listen, the Giants, man, listen, everybody was hawking at that job. That's a job that anybody would love to have. You got to have a quarterback. Teams that don't have a consistent quarterback or that foundation is not in play. Nobody wants to go there. You just don't because you know your lease is going to be very short

until you answer the question at that position. I agree, Ocho. I totally agree. We'll talk about that in a minute, but the Rams is the one turnover, and you play dearly. You look at the Broncos. We'll talk about that in the minute.

It was the turnover. The Broncos. The Broncos. Yeah, we're going to talk about that in the minute. What do you think about to play on 30 and 7 with 320 remaining? Do you think Cooper Cup was shorter the first down, or you thought he got the first down? I thought he was short.

too won't joke. Yeah, yeah, he was short. But they gave him the first. Listen, but you know how they play on. I don't, I don't want to say none. And I'm not saying I'm not a, I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but you know he was short.

I mean, a blind man can see that. I'm not Ray Charles and I only got one eye. And I can clearly see that he was short of the first down. I'm not sure what they were doing in that sudden situation. But, hey, he was clear as short. As long as I've been watching the game of football, that ain't no goddamn first down. think the thing is, is the ram in the off season,

they got to go get secondary help. The secondary is not good enough. Oh, the Rams. Listen. The Rams secondary is not good enough for Joe. Okay. They're not good enough, but they've been good. They've been good this season.

Even though they don't have, even they don't have what you may, excuse me, what you may think. They, they, they played, they played good enough for them to do or get to this point. We'll see when. They might, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they haven't been the, They haven't been the Seahawks, but they've been very good because that front, that front is phenomenal. They've been good.

So very, very, very few times that the back end been exposed. No, but if you go back and look at them, the comeback, it was the secondary. If you look, if you look at them, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's their offense because they score so much, they put so much pressure on you. You don't really get a chance. So now a team can dictate on their terms. Seattle was able to dictate the entire night on their turn. turns.

Take JSCN out. Cooper, coming. I mean, guys were just, I'm like, well, damn, y'all want to cover somebody? And I agree,

look, they got to Sam Darnel three times. But if they didn't pressure him enough, they let him outside, and they let him by time, you got to pressure him. And my concern was, will Sam Darner revert back?

Thus far in the postseason, he's been exemplary. He's been exemplary. Can he be exemplary? One more game. One more game. That's all that come down. And we look at Sam Donald.

The Jets let him go. The Panthers let him go. The 49th and I get the 49th. The Brock Purdy played extremely well. The Vikings let him go. Now the Seahawks got him and they go into the Super Bowl. You know what? You know who could have, you know, when I sit back and think about it,

I was watching the game and I know there's one receiver. There's one receiver that I was watching the game tonight that I know he's pissed off. I know he's upset. He should have called management And whoever he needs to call and say Why do you let him get up out the door No, no, not DK I'm talking about 18 down there in Minnesota

Yeah This is what you let out the door After what he did Because you believe the number eight pick Was the answer for the future And you see what we got now? What are you doing? What are you thinking about? But anyway, listen, like you did say

One more game monk, no turnovers. No turnover. And I was thinking tonight, what is McVeigh going to do to the Seattle C. Yawks to rattle the quarterback? We're going to pressure him. We're going to get him off his spot. We're going to force him. We're going to speed him up and hope he can make mistakes and turn the ball over and give us one.

He didn't do it. Yeah. He didn't do it. I'm not going to sit here. I thought that Sam Darnel would command the $50 plus million on the market. So I was against that. I was like Minnesota, don't keep him for $50 million. but for 33.

Oh, Joe, 33? Wait, hold on. He underpaid. Yes, but see, I thought they were going to have to go to one of those. I thought they were going to have to go a quarter of a meal where they're having to play in 50 million, you know, have to give him $130, $40 million. I was like after one year, I don't know about that. Hey, I got a question. Now we're on the topic of money.

Did he say, he didn't sign a long term. He signed a one year, right? He signed a $100 million. I think he got $30. yourself, Ocho, they're probably tear that. If not this year, next year, they're tearing that up. He'll never play to the end of that. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Well, if he wins the Super Bowl, they definitely go tear it up. Oh, man, man, man, I'm talking about rip it. And four corners. They're going to set five to that, Ocho. He'll never play another day. Hey, he win the Super Bowl? Oh, it's a rap. It's a rap.

It's a rap. They got to come see him. They ain't got no choice. Because I don't think, I don't think the rank. It's easy to say now, but the play called down there and when they had two cracks at the end zone, I'm sure Sean would like to have some of those calls back. It don't look like now the field goal would have done them any good. Puka was this close to getting out of bounds and having a staffer that were a chance of a hell Mary.

Hey, I'm confused. He went out of bounds, purposely with the ball. Why did the clock keep going in that situation? Because they said his butt was down before he went out. That's what they said. His butt went down before he went out. But this was an unbelievable game. It's what we thought it would be.

Two division rivals, they're very familiar with each other. We were, what, was a couple of, you know, less than a month ago, maybe a month ago, these two teams played, and it was up and down. It was a very similar game just like this. I think Stafford had over 400 yards passing. But Seattle made the plays, the two-point conversion and so forth and so on,

and they end up winning an overtime. time when they went for two and Mike McDonald in only a third year has this team in the Super Bowl. That's crazy. And listen, I know, I know we talk about the coaches and the coaches having, you know, players in the Super Bowl, but what people also have to understand is he just happened to be the coach for the Seattle Seahawks and he has the right players. He has the right personnel to make it chances of getting to where he's going much easier. So without the personnel without the players, without, you know, the right people, the right foundation. It all starts with the quarterback.

I had the right quarterback. And if you don't have a quarterback, you have to have a stellar defense. Hey, he just happened to have motherfucker. God, he just happens to have both. A good quarterback in the right situation with a very, very, very good defense that needs their own identity outside of the Legion of Boone. I mean, and he came into a great situation. They had great peace.

Yes. I mean, you know, I think Woolen was there. I think they might have drafted. boom the next year. They get even, uh, uh, uh, Eman Worry. They get him. They, uh, get a D law and free agency. They make the trade for a big, uh, Leonard Williams.

They get Ernest Jones the fourth. I mean, you look at the pieces and how they kind of put this thing together, Ocho and you know, they had DK, they let DK go. They got J.S.N. They make the midseason trade. One of the best midseason trade that's going unnoticed is Rashid Shahid, who's been playing unbelievable football. Hey, you know, if free agency, you go and say,

He's out of three. You go get Sam Brown. Go ahead, don't you? I'm going to say, before you keep going, Rishi, he didn't win them about two games, don't. He didn't win them about two games, but go ahead. And so you look at the pieces, kind of how they put this thing together.

Mike McDonnell and John Snyder has done an unbelievable job because we know Snyder can look. You look at what he did, how he assembled his team, and from Russell Wilson to to Richard Sherman, to Bobby Wagner, to Smith, and, you know,

all those guys that they had to make the trole trade for beast mode. They, they, they, uh, uh, uh, uh, cam. They, he knows what he's doing. And they put this team together. They got a young team. Now, I think Wollin is up. They're probably going to lose Wolling.

You think so? You don't think they're bringing back? In Hill, what, what year is it? I think he'll fourth year guy, Ocho. I think, yeah. What you're going to do with Spoon? Well, Spoon got two more, don't he?

He got one more. He just finished his third. And you, you know, you know, corners are going for you saw what a salt gardener just got okay yeah yeah like come see me yeah you either go have to you have he he's not gonna you'll either have to pay him and or trade him you can't you can't you can't keep both huh and sam donald well sam donald you got to do so with sam donald right i'm thinking hey what will it will be good good he going to get a nice bag even worry is coming up soon he's in his first year two years you're going to have

three hundred million dollar corner uh defensive players on your team and you got big lind Williams you oh I forgot about JSA what about JSA in next year oh oh wait hold on he got he got yes that's be that'll be your three okay damn that's that's crazy you hope that you get everything that's what you want oh Joe when you draft the player man I hope he performs they perform but The problem is that when they perform, you gotta pay them, but you can't pay everybody. You can't pay Wollin.

You can't pay JSCN. Right. You can't pay Spoon. You can't pay Emunoir. Right. You can't pay Sam Darno. Right. Market price.

Now, they might be willing to give you a hometown discount. It all depends on who their age and you know. Probably not. Ain't nobody get, ain't nobody get no discount. Probably not. I was just throwing that out there. Probably not.

But I'm just saying, especially not my first contract. Now, maybe the second one that thought I made me, you know, made me some big bucks, no whammy's. I might consider it. But it's not even the top of my. When DeMarcus Lawrence joined the Seattle Seahawks after leaving the Cowboys, he said Dallas would always be his home. But he knew he would never win a Super Bowl there.

He's headed to the Super Bowl for the first time in his career with the Seattle Seahawks. Damn. Hey, and Matt, I know we're not on top of the Cowboys. They're not in the playoffs. But, well, we got some hell of a lot. pushback on that on on our comments and conversations about the defense coordinator coming in for the cowboys and then people they jump down my throat talk about oh don't you think things are going to change and i i mean i'm confused after after 30 plus years are the same thing and in thinking just because

you bring someone in new that something to change differently i'm confused how about this i do you one like this or oh joe the new england lapages have been to 11 Super Bowls since the cowboy's been to their last one. Could I interest you in that? Okay. That's enough. It needs to say. I wanted I wanted to fire back and engage in the conversation, but like I'm not a hater of the Cowboys. I was just stating facts based on what I've seen over the years. Since I was playing and since I've been going from the game, and I'm not sure with the confusion lies or the delusional of those that really don't understand the makeup of how it's

going thus far. But anyway, that's enough of that. And the thing is, is that up until the last game of the season, Matt Stafford has done a great job. He had never lost until that one game that he lost to the Seahawks. And now this is back-to-back games in which he's lost to the Seahawks. But he can't, I mean, you can't play. You're 22 and 35, 3, 74, 3 touchdowns.

I don't know what, I mean, what else you want him to do? No, you can't. And, you know, if they don't muff them, if they don't muff that fumble, you know, on that on that one he's 50 oh joe in two games in the last two games against the seahawks he's 51 of 84 831 6 TDs but he's lost both games so i don't know what else he can do i mean there's nothing else you can do because you're playing against another great offense on the other side of you as well a quarterback that is also dealing at the at the efficiency that you are as well another team that had jSN that has receivers

that match up just as well as yours, I mean, as well. So sometime to come to a mistake here, a mistake there, you know, a defense to stop here, a defense to stop there. And you say it all the time. And those that are you in the chat that are watching the game is you watch a game for three hours, right? You know, you enjoy it. And your team runs maybe 60, 65, maybe 70 plays.

Out of all those plays that each team runs is about three plays that change, three or five players that change the trajectory of a game and that's what wins it for you three or five that's it out of three out of three out of a hundred out of a hundred and between the two teams let's just say oh cho they have 120 plays it's probably five plays five to seven plays between the two teams that you can go back to say okay this is where we wanted or we lost this is why we want yeah but congratulations goes out to the seahawks they are the representative from the nfc they're headed to Super Bowl 60 and a rematch of Super Bowl 49 with the thanks to a score of 31 to 27 over the Rams, a division rival. Sam Darnel again was 25 or 36, 3 46, 3 touchdowns. He'd no interceptions.

They ran the ball 26 times for 76 yards, one touchdown. JSN was sensational as he's been all year. Ten catches, a buck 53, one touchdown on 12 targets. So the Seattle Seahawks, Your Seattle Seahawks and the 12th man are going to San Francisco for a chance to win the second Super Bowl. Hey there, this is Dr. Jesse Mills, Director of the Men's Clinic at UCLA Health and host of the Mailroom podcast. Each January guys everywhere make the same resolutions. Get stronger, work harder, fix, what's broken? But what if the real work isn't physical at all? To kick off the new year, I sat down with Dr. Steve Polter, a psychologist with over 30 years' experience,

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Yeah! Take your time, huh? Take your time. The Patriots. And the snowstorm by the score of 10 to 7. After a seven-year drought, the Patriots are headed back to the Super Bowl. New England are one-win away from their seventh NFL title. If their 12th appearance in the Super Bowl,

for more than the next closest franchise, which happens to be, I thank us, in it. John's been to five, Peyton went to two, and Craig Morton went to one. Hey, we're not worried about who went to what. I know who's not going this year. But we don't care who went to what.

I know who not. Matter of fact, hold on before we finish. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Man, here he goes with some bulljohn. Come on back, man. You ain't this show business. Man, what is this man doing? The Patriots beat the Broncos.

goes by the score of 10 to 7, Drake May, 10 of 21. I thought you had that jersey. I thought you had that jersey. I thought you had that jersey. Oh, lie. Hey, hey, don't you say foot or ball tonight. I don't want you to say play off. I don't want you to say super up-bole.

Hey, Chad, y'all hear that? Y'all hear, man, I ain't got that jersey. That jersey don't mean nothing to me. You don't do me a favor. Hey, hey, hey, say Cancun on three. Cancun on three. Man, we, man. I'm hurting that, Ocho.

Don't do that. Don't do that, Ocho. Hey, no, listen. Hey, they go into the Super Bowl. I just happened to have a jersey from when I played there. I ain't really do much there, which is why I don't really claim. You got it framed. So clearly it means something.

Huh? Oh, no, it means something because, no, I ain't framed this. Somebody took it and framed. They gave it to me as a gift. So I kept it. I was like, well, what you sent me that for? I ain't do nothing while I was there. I said, we used a part of the jersey.

You won the Super Bowl. I bet you. Exactly, because you got it framed. Hey, hey, hey, yeah, but, but, hey, that's me, though. That's me right there. The New England is winning by the score of 10 to 7. Drake made was 10 or 21, 86 yards. They ran the ball 25, 38 times for a buck 41.

They had less than 200 yards of offense. It was a, look, both teams had to play in that weather. I don't want to, I'm not going to blame it on the, on the elements because it wasn't like the Patriots were playing in a dome and the Broncos were playing outside. But I will say this. I think Sean Payton started to believe his own supply that Jared Stidham could win him the game. Because if Sean Payton is as smart as I think he is,

he looks at that weather forecast and say there's going to be a storm moving in the second half. Points are going to be at a premium. Now, we talk about this all the time, Ocho. We say when you have the momentum, how much separation can you put between you and the team that you have the momentum of? They had all the momentum and all they had was a seven point lead. One mistake by Stiddam and all of a sudden it's a 7-7 ball game. Now you've got to fight. Okay, they get a field goal.

It's 10-7 and the Broncos get the ball. I said, and I tweeted, I said, this is the Broncos best chance. They had them backed up. The guy shanked the ball. they get the ball to 35 yard line and they can come away with nothing. Now, it's been reported now that Lutz, Will Lutz said that

he might have been too close because they couldn't tell the distance between, you know, what the yard line was because you're supposed to be like seven yards back and it was shorter and the guy got a tip, got it tip, and he got blocked. But I don't know why everybody was so confident to him. He was in New England.

He was supposed to be Tom Brady's back up. I mean, era parent. that didn't happen. He goes to the Raiders. That's a prime opportunity. As a matter of fact, wasn't he there with Josh McDaniel? So the guy that drafted him.

Josh McDame, when he had him in New England, he had him in New England. Had him in the Raiders. Couldn't get nothing out of him. And I think Sean Payton started to bleed that he started to convince himself because remember, Ocho,

I told you, my coach, used to tell us all the time. Sometimes he got a lie to him, son. He lied. Not only did he lie to them. but he lied to himself because that's the only way I can explain him not taking the three points and making the 10-0. Go ahead, don't you?

I mean, he had no choice but it lied to himself. He had to lie, he had to lie to the media during the week. He had to lie to himself and lied to his actually player to give him the confidence that you can do this. Obviously, they didn't get blown out. They didn't get blown out. We needed you just... Not turning the ball loose.

The dude just... That big... Well, you took the words right out of my mouth. You took the words right out of my mouth. And what they needed to do is before that storm came in, we need to get as many points as possible, whether it's six, whether it's seven, whether it's three, and extend the lead as much as possible before the storm comes in.

Because if you look at the day Drake May had the day, because of the conditions, because of the elements, even though as a player you have to adapt to whatever comes your way, it was not in the favor of the Patriots at all. Stidham had, what, did he even have over a hundred yards last day? 17 and 31 for 1.303. Remember he hit that 52 yards like the second player of the game, third player of the game to Marvin Mims.

Yeah. Yeah, I mean Drake May. He was 10 or 21 for 86 yards. 86. And he had a long of 31. Yeah, he hasn't had a stat line like that. That's the stat line for offensive series for St. I mean, for Drake May, the way, the way they played offensive this season. And another thing that we need to talk about,

I know we had conversations throughout the season. For those in the chat, some of you, we talked about the MVP for the NFL this year. Many people said Matt Stafford. Obviously, Patriot fans are those who have watched the second year player in Drake May. Some said Drake May deserves it. And after what he's done in completing this season and getting the Patriots to a Super Bowl and only a second year with Mike Brable's first year, I think about some of the team that Drake May had to beat to even get to the Super Bowl,

to even be at this point, three of the top defenses in the NFL on. Drake May. He had to be the charging defense, huh? He had to be the charging defense. Hell, he had to deal with God damn DeNeil Holla and Will Anderson and that goddamn Houston defense, which is phenomenal. And then obviously today, tonight or earlier today, the Broncos, who were the number two defense at NFL statistically,

and being able to beat those teams back to back to back, obviously, man, is a tremendous feat in a sense for a quarterback that's in his second year alone. Sometimes you have veteran quarterbacks that stumble when it comes to playing top defense defenses like he did, you know, three weeks in a row. Yeah, I just think the thing is that, you know, a game like this here, you know, Sean has to know. Sean knows, okay, you can lie to them, but you can't lie to yourself. Yeah. And he lied to himself.

He convinced himself that, you know, we got the momentum. Let's go for it. But look, even if you go for it, Ocho, I didn't, I don't necessarily have a problem that going for it on fourth time. I got a problem with the play selection because you just scored on that. You scored on that plate where you half rolled it and you hit Scorton Sutton in the back of the back in the end zone. So the one thing you know about the Patriots, especially when they got a very good coach, you're not going to beat them on the same plate twice. Yeah, no. And you're rolling into the short side of the field.

And you're rolling when the guy that ain't got no wheels. He can't run. But, you got to understand. What do you want Sean Payton to do? You understand, you understand the, the limitations that your quarterback has. You understand that the playbook, as if you had Bo Nix, the playbook changes completely. The officer play calling changes completely.

The thing that you can't do is Stittem, you can't do with Bo Nix. You've only had a week. Ocho, I ain't got no noodles. So guess what? I can't make your pasta. So you ain't got Bo Nix. So you got to take that into consideration how you call plays. That's why the play, that's why he called the safest plays he could for the quarterback he had at his disposal.

That is Bo, that is, that is, that is, that is, Jared Stidham. He's a guy. Yeah. He's just a guy. There's nothing special. He has an average arm. He has no speed.

He doesn't do anything that you says, you know what? He's a long-term solution. He's not, he does not do anything really well. So, I mean, he gets in trouble. What did he do? He retreats. So I don't know where he got this, this shoveling this. I mean, how many times did we see it cost him?

We see him try to. shovel the ball to Harvard. We shouldn't try to hover the ball to the running back. Bro, throw the ball out of bounds. You should not even admit in that situation, but Sean Payton has to know. Jared Stiddleman is my quarterback. I'm in the AFC championship game.

I'm taking as many points as I can get. I'm not taking any points out the board, don't you? I'm not. And he's supposed to know. He's supposed to study the weather forecast. I guarantee you if Rable knew it, I guarantee you Belichick would have known it. Mike Shanahan damn sure would have known it.

So if you know that weather is coming in, you take the points. You got to. You got to. Listen, not only take the points, if you got a defense like you have, if you have a defense like you have, you know the weather's coming in there.

Most of the time, offensive, you're not going to be able to do much through the goddamn air. And they damn show not from to run the ball on you. Well, first of all, the Broncos hadn't been able to run the ball all year. So what makes you think you're going to be able to run the ball all year? So what makes you think you're going to be able to do? to be able to run it in those conditions.

I also do you do guys wear seven studs anymore? Guys don't wear seven studs anymore, duty. No, not really. I don't even know if they have seven studs in the equipment room anymore because everyone's field, most of the fields are Bermuda grass. And if you don't have Bermuda grass, you have that turf. And no matter what the conditions are, no matter what the conditions are, the, the studs that they use now, you're not going to slip and fall.

Yeah, did you not see everybody slipping and falling? Oh, yeah, I saw him today. But that, yeah, I saw him today. I think that was grass. Yeah, we got rid. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying like, yeah, it's some field turf,

but we have, they have real grass with some synthetic sewn in. Okay, okay, okay, yeah. Mims. In conditions like that, the goal ball is not going to be where it normally is. I'm surprised that, Ocho,

after like 15 yards, you got to look. The ball is not going to travel like you would. It's not going to be 42 and 4. Yeah, it's heavy. It's heavy. It's heavy. It's stuff like that,

that just like, bro. But this was on Sean. Hey, can I actually connect? Yes. You mad? No, not really. You're not hurt. Because I knew this was going to be the outcome.

I tried to tell you, you told me, oh, you got to have faith. No, I don't got no faith in Jared Stiddlem. I mean, I would give me, I would give you false hope. I knew y'all won a win. I could have told you that. You can't give me false hope. I mean, hey, listen, the fact, the fact that, the fact that you even talking football, let alone, you shouldn't be able to say foot or ball.

You shouldn't be happy. The fact that you even, we engaged in this conversation and y'all lost tonight, I'm not even sure. Matter of fact, you know what? Don't say play or off. What were your Broncos helmet tonight? What happened to your Bronco robe? You were so happy, you were so excited.

And y'all won last week? I don't want to, what happened? Where's the energy you had? Oh, Joe. Boy, I'm just saying the boy, the Patriots put belt-in' ass. Oh, really? 10-7 to 10-7. Yeah, yeah.

Hey, they gave you that Michael Urban. And that they gave that Michael Ir. Huh? What we talked about. But it's okay. It's okay because y'all still got next year. Bo Nix will be back. Most of the players on that defense will be back.

But Ocho. Y'all will be all right. But it's going to be a long time before that. You never know. You never know. I was fortunate that we lost a heartbreaking game in 96 and then went back to back. But Ocho, you don't know.

I mean, think about it. Dan Marino went to that Super Bowl in the second year and never went back again. No, it's hard. Never went back. You get guys, you get like Joe Montana go to four and win. You get braided at gold. You got L. Wade, it went to five.

You get Jim Kelly went to four straight. You get guys like Mahomes. But Aaron Rogers went to one and never went back. Yeah. So it ain't no guarantee. Oh, you were so close. I mean, sometimes things just lie. up in your favor and you need to take advantage of it.

Man, look here, that better be glad. Can you imagine Patrick and Patrick Mahon was in this thing again? Everything it lined up. I mean, all the heavy hitters are gone. We're gone. Yeah, yeah. And you know what? The heavy hitters are gone.

Most of them are gone because they didn't play with the season due to injury. Obviously, we saw what happened. Lamar turned on this. doesn't play well in the post season. So we can't look at him as being an impediment to somebody. They got the big guy. Right, right, right, right. That guy in Kansas City, they didn't play well all year long.

That is the hurdle that everybody in the AFC was having to get over. Not Lamar. And this is not a knock on Lamar. Lamar has been great in the regular season. He's a two-time league MVP, but Lamar Jackson has not looked like Lamar come post-season. So he's really never been an impediment. He hadn't really stopped Joe Burrell or Mahal. Holmes or Josh Allen from getting to where they need to be.

With that being said, with the homes out, Josh Allen got put out by the Broncos last week. And Joe Burrow didn't really have a chance because he got Nick early on. Right. So when things like, when the road open up, you got to travel on it. You got to.

You got to take advantage of it. Obviously, Buffalo wasn't able to do that. But the thing is, with all these quarterbacks that we are talking about, and you talk about the Joe Marine. I mean, Dan Marino, you talk about Dan Marino getting there one time. The difference I think about today's game with all these teams that have those elite quarterbacks, I think those teams will always be in contention every year. Those teams will always have a chance to go no matter what, even though they fail short

this year. Lamar failed short this year, they're going to be in contention. Was Green Bay? Was Green Bay, not in contention every year? How many times the Aaron Rogers losing? He lost an AFC, he lost an LSU championship game to Seattle. He lost to the 49ers twice. He lost to Tampa.

Yeah. So he was in contention. Did he get back? No, I know, but I'm just the possibility. You know, the sense of if you're a fan of those specific teams, you just know at least we have a chance. There are some teams, Unk, there are some fans. No matter what, going into a new season,

you know damn well, you don't even have a chance. I think it hurts more the closer you get, Ocho. But listen, but I think it's even worse to know going into the season, you'll have a chance. If you're a Cardinals fan, well, hell, you know when you're going to see the postseason, you might will book your goddamn ticket in January to go back home. If you're a Raiders fan, I mean, what the hell?

What you expect? If you're a Vikings fan, hell, you don't have a goddamn quarterback right now. What are you going to do? I mean, there are a few other teams as well. I think the bills, the Bills, the Seahawks, the Rams, the Ravens, the Ravens, the Bengals, the Bengals, the Bengals, if we can keep Joe Burrow upright, some of the teams with the better quarterback play, the Texans, because of their defense, defense. I'm not probably leaving some teams off. All these teams will continuously always be in

contention whether they win and lose in the postseason or whether they make it to the Super Bowl, they will have a chance to make it to the playoffs and contend. Some teams can't even be afforded that opportunity. Yeah, I think the thing is I think what has the Bronco fans so upset is that Sean Payton knew this quarterback was limited and he had an opportunity to take a a chip shot field goal 10-0. 10 nothing gives you momentum. You make it seem like if you got that first down, it's not like if you got the first,

it was a touchdown. I can see if you went forward and they stopped. You still had to get more plays. So 10 nothing, the way you had been dominating, I think they had one first down, maybe ran like seven plays up until that point, oh Joe. So 10 points might have felt like 14, based on how you had dominated them defensively.

But the one thing, all that being said, The one thing that he couldn't do is what he did is turn the ball over and negative turn. It's all over. And that's- Change the game right now. You know that, you know, young,

that's what lost the game. You know that, huh? You know, of all the plays they ran, nothing else mattered except that goddamn turnover. That's all it came down to, you know? So, I mean, it's unfortunate. I know you feel bad. I don't mean a pile on you like this.

No, it's okay. It's okay. I'm a realist. See, the thing, If I'd have had Bo Nixon out of loss, I'd have been, I might have been, I might have been tearing some stuff down.

I ain't only like to you, Cho, if we'd have had Bowen lost, yeah, I'd have been upset. But having Jared Stenham, because I didn't expect to win. Right. That didn't. Yeah, I mean,

yeah, man, it sucks, it sucks. You think the boys got a flight for Cancun already? No, because I think, you know, I think sometimes,

I think Sean had lied to them so well, They had convinced themselves because I heard the defense, oh, we can win with Skiddy. We can win the Super Bowl with Stitty. If the other team don't show up, y'all can win. But if they show up, y'all not winning with Skiddy. Let's be real. I'm a realist.

And everybody knows I'm Bronco Country through and through. But I'm a realist also. Jared Stiddleman ain't winning you no big game. But hold on. Now, you know you can rely on your defense and still with a game. Yeah, if you get a scoop. If you get a scoop, if you get a scoop, if you get a pick six or, Or you create a, you know, something like that.

Or you, you know, you strip sack and you give them a short field. All they got to do, you know, you know your chances of winning the Super Bowl, even with him, we're still great. No, they weren't, Ocho. Turn the ball over. Because all you're going to do. You take, let's say, you take the elements from the day out of it. The game is an even game, Uncle.

You take the elements out of it today. You can't, Ocho, because he, because Drake May played in that. It wasn't like Drake May was in a phone booth or in the dome. He played in the same condition that Jerry. and still him. The only difference is Drake May took better care of the football. And the one thing that the Broncos couldn't do based on that was turn

the football over, especially in negative territory. You basically gave, gifted them seven points. And like I said, Sean has to know who his quarterback is. He has to know

the weather conditions are going to change. He had to have known that. So why do you have all these, these, these, these analytic people there, there, you have that on your staff. And so for Sean, for Sean to, to forego those three points, like I said, I'd have time out. To really assess to really assess what do I really do. Right. I mean, damn, I do got, I don't have both points that at a premium here.

10 points are going to seem like a lot. And if long as we don't, as long as we don't turn it over. because if we turn it over, Ocho, it's a tie ball game. Yeah. It's not like a situation if we turn it over, we still got the lead.

You turn it over, it's a tie ball game. You got a 7-0-0 with a chance to go up 10-0 with a backup quarterback in your building and the weather is going to get progressively worse.

Yeah. What made it worse, Ocho? Yes, everybody's going to look say if Sean Payton got to, know better than the forego of three, but his quarterback didn't help him by turning it over. Right. If you forego to three and he doesn't turn it over, you say, hey, if they drive the length of the field against this defense, don't you? I mean, I don't know what you want me to do, Ocho.

I really don't because we got one of the two or three best defenses in all football. We can pressure the quarterback. But I thought Drake may use his legs a lot because he was jumping out to wind a lot and scratch. for first down. And on the last play, again, see, he won't do its responsibilities. 52 got contained.

Sam, man, where are you? Must be the gone down. Oh, so you got contained. Why are you trying to get inside? That's not your play to make. Trying to make. No, we don't need to see. You see, if you,

if I get beat doing my job, I got beat doing my job. I can't get beat trying to do somebody else's job. That's the job, yeah. I call it playing hero ball. Playing hero ball. Trying to do two things at once.

Oh, man. I know, Broncos fans, I'm sorry, man. I love y'all. I've been very supportive of y'all all season long. I thought I'm going to be able to put my sharp jersey on. Oh, he had a little jersey? He got a little jersey.

Got 84, got real stitches just like the official jersey. Yeah? Yeah, he's going to have to hold off to the next year. putting it on now. You're going to have to hold off to the next year, a little buddy. Ah, man. Don't worry about it.

They beat the one, the number one, the number two, and the number five defense. If they win, I think Seattle has the number three defense. So that would be a hell of a road.

The fewest points scored in the Wild Card Division and conference championship game in route to a Super Bowl. Y'all are talking about the 2000 Raven, but we score more. more points than the 25 Patriots,

even if it's only seven. But look, Mike Braybill, this is why you make the move. People are like, oh man, Jerry Mel, they don't get a bro. This is why you make this move. But the difference is, is Josh McDaniels.

I don't know why Josh McDaniels can't be a great head coach. I don't know why he can't be a good head coach, but he's a great office and play caller. That's his calling. Yeah. calling to dialing up offense. That's his calling on Joe. He's never going to be a good coach.

He's never going to be a good head coach. But it's an offensive coordinator. Yeah, he's beautiful. He's beautiful. I'm trying to understand last year, I mean, that's the linebacker, man. It's a linebacker from last year that coached.

I played with him too. Yeah, Mr. Mayo, brother, Brother Mayo. What is the difference in the team that Gerard Mayo had that went four and 13 as opposed to the difference and what Mike Brable had to work with with this team this year. You're calling the plays.

Quarterback playing even better. They bring Diggs in, Boutet played better. Ramadre Stevenson and Henderson ran the ball extremely well. But the defense, they brought Chase on in, they brought Harold Landry in, they bought Milton Williams in. Okay. They got Splaline in. They got Spilline in.

They're a better football team. They're a better football team personnel-wise. They're better football team coach-wise. just calling like it is. Yeah. That's okay. I like me on. I wish your success.

But they had back to back years in which they won four games. And guess what, Ocho, they're going to the Super Bowl this year. That's crazy. This is Rehabil's first year. You realize that, right? This is his first year.

And to take a team the first year, you're the head coach with a second year quarterback who is still going through the growing pains, who still hasn't seen that much football at that level and he's beat two of the best defenses in the NFL like it like like like it's nothing I mean it is something it means something I'm just saying the fact that dude and he he's almost almost done it mistake free he's carried this right obviously he had some easy uh the Patriots

have given up 26 points and three playoff games three you know what I mean the Ravens gave up and four. How many? Three to the Broncos, 10 to the Titans, three to the Raiders. They didn't give up any. So theoretically, Ocho,

they gave up 16 points in four games because the seven that they gave up was a kick return. They get up 16 points in four games. You know what I... You know what's funny? Is that I don't think people, especially people that are of younger age

right now, I don't think they understand how dominant. I don't think they understand. how dominant that defense was. There was no weakness at any level. Was it the first, second or third level, the back end was phenomenal? Now, obviously, the second level was phenomenal, and that front end was hell to deal with.

And then we talk about damn near elite players, damn near elite players at every position. And those positions that weren't elite, they were very, very, very good. Very good. I mean, we couldn't run the football owners. I mean, we were very simple with your play cover too, but you couldn't run with Sam and Goose. So you couldn't run the football.

No, and you couldn't get you all out of cover, too, because you couldn't run the game football. Or we might play some Tampa to have Ray run down the hole, but you couldn't run it on. And if you couldn't run it now, now, but you got to look at what we had. We had a defensive rookie in the year, Peter Bowler, I mean, Rod was in the second day. We had, Ray was defensive player of the year that year. I mean, they were, they were loaded. That defense was really, really good. They had rotational Pellate, JLA and Keith Washington, and Powell.

I mean, they could just run. New England's offense averaging 15.7 points per game, 4.4 yards of play, 13 or 43. The defense is allowed 8.7, 3.3 yards per play, 12 or 31 on third down. And they had eight takeaways with one score. And then, oh, but also, you know what, that 2000 defense wouldn't be able to play in today's game with the way the rules are. They wouldn't be able to attack the quarterback. They wouldn't be able to play in everybody, everybody on that defense where they either got fine or suspended. One of the other.

So they wouldn't be able to play in today's game. And now that we know the Super Bowl matchup, chat, I'm just curious. And don't be biased on who you got, Super Bowl. Seahawks. If you may be picked right now, I will say the Seahawks. Seahawks, but why is that why because of the offense? Have you seen the Seahawks defense? I mean, well, obviously that that that too, but and they that's secondary.

It's nice. And they can pressure the quarterback Leonard Williams and D. Law and those guys, they can get out there. But the question is can he avoid the turnover one more game? Yeah. The Patriots have. Yeah, one more. That's all it is.

That's all it is. On opposing teams turnovers. Turning the ball over. Yeah. Yeah, I'm excited. I mean, from an offensive standpoint, I would get the upside, obviously, to the Seahawks offensively. Obviously, Stefan Diggs and Bouté and Brother Matt Collins have played phenomenal all year, but I think they're a little bit more explosive offensive for the Seahawks.

From the defensive side of the ball, we know what the Seahawks are, but the goddamn Patriots defense is just as good. But maybe not with all the notable names. No, not, they're not a, not very many. I hate using the word household name. I hate saying that. They play well collectively as a group, very, very well collectively. And they're well coached, and they're very disciplined.

So I'm excited. I'm excited to see who's going to win. I don't know who's going to win, but if I had to take someone, I'm just giving a slight edge to the Seahawks because of the explosiveness that they have. on defense with J.S. I don't know who's going to cover him. In the slot. Cover who?

Yeah. In the slot? Hell, hold on. You're talking about in the slot. Who won't cover him out of the back field? Who won't cover him on the outside? I mean, obviously, Christian Gonzalez, but they're,

he don't want none of that. But the Christian Gonzalez is not in the slot. Not in the slot. Because J.S. I mean, but normally, normally what Bill Belichick does and what Brable does is that, they take away your best.

Take away your best. Take your best. And somebody else is going to have to beat me. Yeah. Somebody that's going to have to beat me. I'm trying to think. And so I know everybody, the line, what is the Seattle open up as? They're probably what, three, four, four point faves?

Yeah, three and a half. So I'm not surprised they opened up as a three and a half point favorite. Yeah, it's going to be a good one. Drake Maycomb had to put the boys on his back. Uh, Drake got to put the boys on his back. For me, Ocho is that in the Broncos,

they're receiving. I mean, guys, you got, I understand the weather is bad, but you got to make plays. Yeah. Cortland Sutton drops too many passes.

Drop two minutes. Little Jordan Humphrey, you get those opportunities. You got to come down with the ball. It's really that simple. In a situation like this, Ocho, you've got to help this quarterback.

This ain't both. You don't have the ability to come back. So every, every possession matter. Every plays matter. matters. Drake May has three playoff wins in three playoff games.

And on the second year. Hey, that's crazy. What you call them has? I think what you call them has what? Three, two, four. How many does Joe Burrow has? Joe Burrow has four. Lamar has three.

Burrow has five. Lamar has three. How many does it Josh have? Hell, he don't pass that. That got two. Josh, Y'all and seven. This is why the Patriots let go, Gerard Mayo. It's been a magical run for Mike Brable in his first season with the Patriots.

He inherited a franchise that had won four games in 23 and in 24. Now they're the AFC champs once again with a 17 and 3 record this season, including the playoffs. That's crazy, man. That's dope. That's dope. That's dope. I mean, I was trying to put my finger on it, too, Unk.

That's why I asked you when we first started this segment, I mean, what is the difference? I mean, what is the personnel, the players that came in that just made a complete difference in what they looked like the previous year. John McDaniel Call and plays. Yeah, but, I mean, it's just the play call and take you from four and 13 to 14 and three?

I think there are some philosophical differences between Mike Brable and Gerard Mayo. Gerard Mayo seems, excuse me, Mike Brable, you see how he weighs? on everybody, hugs everybody, he's slapping five, he gave everybody credit. That's, Gerard Mayo had more of a Belichick style. Mike Brayble has his own style, he always has.

And so when I look at it, guys sincerely, you hear guys say, Bill was the coach, but we played for Tom. Guys said we play for Mike. I can see that. Hey, he'll play as coach, too, man. He, hey, Bill Williams told about. He'd be out there, hey, he'd be out there

the drills. Milton Williams said, they're staying overnight in Denver. Said Brable told them no curfew, but the bus leave it at eight. And if you're not on the bus, you're not playing in the bowl. Ooh.

Belichick would have had to ask on that plane head straight back to Boxborough. Hey, straight, straight back home. But you know, they probably can't even fly out because of the weather, huh? They inclement weather. But congratulations to the New England Patriots. They're back home.

So it looked like the Patriot Invitational. They win by the score of 10 to 7 over the Denver Broncos. They go to the Super Bowl. Super Bowl 60 will be a rematch of Super Bowl 49. I don't think. Super Bowl 60. I don't think, Ocho. If they get the ball in the one yard line, they're going to throw a pass.

I think Kenneth Walker might get that ball. Absolutely. Boy, he's an animal, boy. He's an animal. Mike Brable message to the team pledging the ticket to the Super Bowl

No curfew tonight The buses are leaving at 8 in the morning So if you ain't on it You ain't playing in the bowl Brable spoke on the field About the possibility Being the first former player

And current head coach The same Super Bowl I won't win it It'll be the players That'll win the game I promise you It won't be me that Will win it

I promise you that I'll do everything I can And I staff To have them ready for the game Yes coaches make a difference coaches make a difference yeah

make a difference they do they just do yeah you gotta have good players but we've seen we've seen teams that have good players right and one coach can't get them over the hump and another coach comes in and he can and it's okay it happens just like some

players perform better under some coaches than others that's okay damn Oh, damn, what? Y'all are one game away, what? Thanks. Seems like a lifetime, Ocho.

Yeah, yeah. And the thing is, Ocho, is that when you like this, think about how many times they came from behind. The likelihood of you coming from behind like that next year, it's slimmed enough. Remember Kansas City? All those games, they won the previous year by coming from behind. They lost them to all of them this year in one score game.

Yeah, all the one score games, yep, show did. So I think the thing the way they practice, I think the thing the way they meet, the way you hold them accountable. I think it's, you know, some of the things, if that you listen to Ray Gerard Mayo was saying, hey, it's on the coach,

it's on the players. All we could do. Yeah. Brave was like, look, we got to do a better job of putting them in place in position to make plays.

Sometimes it's just as simple as that. Sometimes it's tone, sometimes it's voice inflection. You never know what resonates with a player, but it's your job as a head coach to know what button to push on each individual. individual, 53 players.

Do you pat him on the back? Do you put your foot in his tail? Do you say congratulations? Do you yell? Do you scream? Because every player has a different stimuli to get them to form and their best. It's your job as a coach to figure it out.

Your job as a coach to get each player to go further than he thought he could on his own. I think Mike Brable does a great job of that. I would like to play for a guy like Brable. I played against him when he was in league. And so he was solid. He was where he was supposed to be. If he's supposed to be in the flat, he was there. If he's supposed to be in the hook, he's supposed to be in the hook, he's supposed to be there.

If he's supposed to carry the tight enough to scene, he was there. If he's supposed to set the edge, he was setting the edge and you weren't getting it. You wasn't hokeyed him. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I played it again for every one time when I was in Cincinnati earlier, early. I forgot we get that. Ocho, Nick Benito say he's sick that they lost the Patriots because Denver is the better team. We're definitely the better team.

Ocho, do you like Benito saying this after losing? Yeah, you can say that. you feel and that he wholeheartedly feels that we've I feel like we're the better team and sometimes you go you go in games and sometimes do things in life honk and you lose the people that you feel inferior to you and it happens it happens that you Nick Benito knows why they lost he just can't say it you can't throw anybody down to the bus you know you guys might be the better team but not not today all around in certain areas but not today it comes down to one game this is not a basketball series where you got multiple chances to try to win the game it's who's the better team

on that specific day. Now you might be the better team, you know, mentally in your mind coming into the game, you're probably the better team, but you lost the day. You won't the better team today. I don't have to be the better. I don't have to be the better team.

See, and that's the thing what people love so much about football, because yeah, getting somebody four times or beating somebody three out of five, that's not important to me in football. Because every game was a game seven once you get to the playoffs.

So with that being said, the Patriots were the better team that day, today. And that's all that matter today. Now, if they play tomorrow, could the Patriots win? Maybe, maybe not. But we'll never know because they don't need to win. They didn't need to win Saturday. They didn't need to win Monday.

They needed to win today. And they won today. So it's always tough when you lose a ball game like that. Yeah. But I don't know, like you said, he know he can't. Hold on, for jokes. And you know what I just thought about? I'm wearing an Arsenal shirt, right?

And Arsenal played Man United today and Arsenal lost the Man United. So therefore I'm wearing a loser. I'm wearing a team who's, you know, let me change, let me change shirts. Hold on. Oh, Cho. What you call it?

This is JSC's third year. JSC ain't going to maybe want to get back to the table. So hold up, for y'all break up, what you call them out, let me get a little something. Yeah, he just finished the third year. He had 100 catches last year. Yeah, for real? Hey, Nick, I know it's tough, bro.

I know it's tough. Drake May 17, Sam Donald 16, have combined 33 wins and starting quarterbacks in this season, including regular season and playoffs. That's the most combined wins by the two starting quarterbacks entering a Super Bowl in NFL history. Yeah. Because I think, I think John and Chris Chalell,

I think we had with 16 and 2. and what was the, what was the, uh, what was the, uh, falcons record? We finished them in the Super Bowl. Because I know we were, we won 14 games. We went two, uh, because we're home. So we were 16 and what was the Falcons record going into the game? Falcons might have had to win. So they should have been 17 and 16 too.

So they won 14 regs season games, right? And then three postseason games. Cause they were not, uh, what's it called? Was the home, was the one seed? Oh, we used to be two first. round buys, though. That's why. So it was, it was, it was, it was 16 and 16, 32. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, hold on. Yeah, it used to be two first round buys. But Drake May 17 wins, Sam Donald, 16 wins, have combined 33 wins, starting quarterbacks, when you consider the regular season and postseason, Ocho. Most combined ever by two quarterbacks starting in the NFL. In the Super Bowl. JSCN is the fifth player with 10 receptions,

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