No Agenda - 1610 - "p-doom"

Episode Date: November 23, 2023

No Agenda Episode 1610 - "p-doom" "p-doom" Executive Producers: Duke of Central Florida Jason Adams Sir Jaymo, Black Baron of North Idaho Sir Bobby J the K Dr. Otter of the Fresh Water Ernest Flores Sir GeesMill of the Four Corners Demilitarized Zone Dame Relltastic of the Sierra Foothills Amy McDaniel Sir Cordwainer of Yore q q Sir TRS-80 Sir Moskowitz Matthew Gebhardt Barron Sir Doctor Goon Evgueni Damaskine Sir Jim Watts, Baron of Whistler Sir Ca 1984 anonymous Sir Jew Claw Aaron Brzezinski Sir Ronald Gardner, Viscount of Insane Diego and Surrounding Waters Associate Executive Producers: Sir Peet Paul Kroculick Sean Erik Adler Linda Lupatkin erik ahrsjo 1610 Club Members: Duke of Central Florida Become a member of the 1611 Club, support the show here Boost us with with Podcasting 2.0 Certified apps: Podverse - Podfriend - Breez - Sphinx - Podstation - Curiocaster - Fountain Title Changes Sir Ronald Gardner Baron of Insane Diego and Surrounding Waters > Sir Ronald Gardner, Viscount of Insane Diego and Surrounding Waters Sir Goon > Baron Sir Doctor Goon Knights & Dames Sharelle Patterson > Dame Relltastic of the Sierra Foothills Susie > Dame Susie Boot Scooter of the Nature Coast Brian Telecky > Sir Dr. Otter of the Fresh Water Anonymous > Sir GeesMill of the Four Corners Demilitarized Zone Timothy McKay > Sir Cordwainer of Yore Kevin Stephenson > Sir TRS-80 Zachary Michael > Sir Ca 1984 Robert Knutson > Sir Bobby J the K PhD Graduates: Duke of Central Florida Jason Adams Rodney Lillibridge Robert Knutson Brian Telecky Ernest Flores Anonymous Sharelle Patterson Amy McDaniel Timothy McKay q q Kevin Stephenson Sir Moskowitz Matthew Gebhardt Lee North Evgueni Damaskine Sir Jim Watts, Baron of Whistler Zachary Michael Welcome new No Agenda MD PhD’s to the society of learned persons. The path to this high academic honor for some of you has been long if not costly. Some of the price has been paid by your hard-earned wisdom. And some in other ways. But today is not an end. It is only a beginning. From this point forward, go forth and spread the No Agenda word far and wide. We will not be silenced. We will not be deterred. The truth is out there. Now go and find it! Art By: Francisco_Scaramanga End of Show Mixes: Deez Laughs & Matty J - Tom Starkweather - Danny Loos - Sir Michaelanthony Engineering, Stream Management & Wizardry Mark van Dijk - Systems Master Ryan Bemrose - Program Director Back Office Jae Dvorak Chapters: Dreb Scott Clip Custodian: Neal Jones Clip Collectors: Steve Jones & Dave Ackerman NEW: and soon on Netflix: Animated No Agenda No Agenda Social Registration Sign Up for the newsletter No Agenda Peerage ShowNotes Archive of links and Assets (clips etc) 1610.noagendanotes.com Directory Archive of Shownotes (includes all audio and video assets used) archive.noagendanotes.com RSS Podcast Feed Full Summaries in PDF No Agenda Lite in opus format NoAgendaTorrents.com has an RSS feed or show torrents Last Modified 11/23/2023 17:06:17This page created with the FreedomController Last Modified 11/23/2023 17:06:17 by Freedom Controller  

It's Clippy on steroids. Adam Curry, John C. Devorah. It's Thursday, November 23rd, 2023. This is your award-winning Give On Asian Media assassination episode 1610. This is no agenda. Accepting accelerationism and broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas Hill Country

here in FEMA region number six. In the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley, where everyone's watching Thanksgiving Gay Parade, I'm John C. Dvorak. It's Crackpot and Buzzkill. In the morning. Which has been interrupted by protesters. Did you see it?

I saw some clips of the protesters. Yeah, the parade has stopped. I watched the parade on NBC, which is not affiliated with blah, blah, blah stopped. I can't watch the parade on NBC, which is not affiliated with blah, blah, blah. And I didn't see any gay anything. Any what? Any gay anything? Well, there's supposed to be all these gay,

the big gay... No, no, no, no, no. This is the Palestinian protesters. The gays stayed home for the Palestinian protesters. No, no, there's supposed to be gays incorporated in the parade. There were like two gays. Trans, I'm sorry, not gays, trans. It's different. Queers.

Queers for turkeys? All I know is I didn't get to see much. Hey, Mimi, who did the big giant list today? Oh, the donation list you mean? No, the meetups list meat it's not that giant

oh she said it was a huge one today oh she was talking to me never mind so oh she wants to remind people to wow yes yes oh oh oh anaconda dvorak yes yes what can we do for you dot com she said you never plugged the book anymore oh boy wow she's getting uh feisty yeah well it's never but it was one of our one of our producers plugged the book just the other day. In the meetup segment, they were plugging it. Never plugged the book anymore. What, sales are slacking off and now she has to come to the No Agenda show to fix it? Hello?

I didn't mean to insult you. I said it just as you say hello. I didn't mean to insult you. Sorry, I reset it just as you said hello. I didn't mean to insult you. Hey, hold on a second. Are you there? Yeah. Okay. Well, what happened?

We'll see. I may have to switch networks. Oh, okay. Anyway, I believe this is the first Thanksgiving that you and I have celebrated together. We both have turkey calls. Oh, that's right. Yes, we both have a turkey call. Where's your turkey call, man?

Come on. That's a good question. Don't tell me you don't have your... It's the one day when you should be... I never even thought about it. Wow. You're too busy worrying about too many eggs. Dot com. There you go.

Turkey ball. Well, while you're looking for that, along the lines of your newsletter, which was very good as usual, I will play a clip from a, I believe this to be a millennial aged woman in America. Looks like there you go. There you go. Looks like she's got a nice little nice pad out there in the wilderness.

She's sitting on a nice balcony and she just doesn't believe in traditional Thanksgiving. Oh, no. Can we decolonize Thanksgiving the same way we decolonized Columbus Day? Decolonize Thanksgiving the same way we decolonized Columbus Day. Can we rename Thanksgiving to Tribal Nations Day? A day where we still have dinner with our families or our friends or our fur babies, but we also uplift Native voices and Native businesses, and we learn the true history of tribal nations within this country, and where we decolonize our landscapes and plant native plants instead of invasive species and that will in turn also support native wildlife and to

decolonize our foods and incorporate traditional foods from within our area i think all of this will help decolonize our spaces decolonize our spaces why Decolonize our spaces! Why can't we just have traditional, like, Thanksgiving? You know, where we just all get together and we give thanks. Everybody wants to make a fuss. Yes, everybody does want to make a fuss.

Yeah, yeah. Do you want to tell everyone the true story of Thanksgiving as you often do on this day of giving thanks? Well, I wasn't prepared to do that even though I've done it every year. There was a link to the story in the newsletter from a previous newsletter in which I discuss it in great detail. But it largely was kind of came into being as a day of Thanksgiving. It was always called after soldiers were killed in the after the Civil War. Lincoln actually initiated what I think amounts to the current Thanksgiving Day.

But the initial story is just bogus. And there was a harvest festival. They had something that kind of came and went for a couple of years. But, you know, the whole Thanksgiving story is completely false. And so I've always thought that it was under pressure to be changed to something else. National Tribal Nations Day is taking it a bit far. Yeah, but see, the problem is Thanksgiving has become a tradition, I think, since the Depression. Yeah.

And it gives you that extra. The key is that extra Friday off. Yes, that's what it's all about. If you start messing with Thanksgiving, you're messing with that extra day off. And the whole thing can go away. And you're going to lose a four-day holiday in the middle of nowhere, which is really people's price. It's a big deal to get that many days off for a bogus holiday. Yes, and it's always a difficult one.

Don't change it. It's a difficult one, particularly for Americans post-COVID, because we have to get together with our families, families were split were ripped apart over uh divides not just yeah there was at least a year or maybe two where you it was like illegal to have thanksgiving dinner because you would kill grandma grandma would kill granny would be dead so you know we still have these uncomfortable conversations what are we going to talk about at the table particularly if it's if it's political if there's political divides in families. And there was a lady who called in on C-SPAN and told us what she was going to tell her relatives at the Thanksgiving table today.

Hi, how are you? Morning. I have a couple of comments. When it comes up at my family's Thanksgiving dinner, I will remind my family, because we're all dog lovers. I don't think Trump loves dogs. He's always cutting down dogs and treating terrorists, calling them dogs.

And anyone that has no compassion for animals is not on my bucket list. So I'm going to remind them about that. Trump hates dogs. Bucket list. He's not on my bucket list if you hate dogs. Hey, lady, I was a dog hater for a long time. I've come around.

It's true. But I will say I'm very thankful this year, extremely thankful for No Agenda Nation, for the clip collector, the clip custodian, for our end of show mixers, for our artists, for our producers. Yes, for every single producer who delivers time, talent and treasure to the show. I'm grateful that we get to do this, even on this day of giving of thanks. National Tribal Day Nation was a tribal nation's day.

First nation's first First Nations Day. And of course, I'm thankful for you, John. I'm very thankful. Oh, isn't that sweet? I course, I'm thankful for you, John. I'm very thankful for you. Oh, isn't that sweet? I mean that. I'm thankful for you. Yeah. And we've taken to ask, we were shopping yesterday.

And we, you know, when we encounter someone, we say, what are you thankful for this year? And it takes many people by surprise. What? What? They haven't even thought about it. This is how deep we've sunken in this country, in our country. People don't even think about it. I'm thankful for Black Friday.

I'm thankful for Cyber Monday. Get me on some deals. In fact, this is Black Friday week. It's Black Friday in the Netherlands. I mean, they have Black Friday. They have Black Friday in the Netherlands. England has the same thing they bought into black friday yeah but there was there was one moment which took us aback as a team was buying a like a tree ornament as a gift for for someone and uh and we say and she says to the checkout lady probably about about 40 i'd say late 30s

to the checkout lady. Probably about 40, I'd say. Late 30s. What do you think? I am just happy to be alive. I'm like, yeah, praise the Lord. Yes. She says, because I had a heart attack last year.

I'm like, what? She says, yeah, it came out of nowhere. Tina and I look at each other like a whole mess. Did you get vaxxed up? Yeah. And I should have said that. Gee, I forgot. Hey, did you get the vax? No.

No. No. No. No. No, I forgot. Hey, did you get the vax? No. No. No. Yeah. No. No, no, no. Anyway, it's been a fantastic week as the great awakening has begun. I already felt this was coming as I was texting with Taxi Eric about the Dutch elections. And Christina and my nephew both were saying, we're so sick of this we're so sick

of everything so i think christina said you know the leftists in our country they really have nice unicorn dreams we're sick of this and they all voted for geert wilders in the netherlands the dutch populist heat veilders appeared headed for a landslide election win tonight in the latest far-right victory across Europe. Supporters celebrated this evening in The Hague as projections showed Wielers' anti-Islam, anti-immigration party winning the most seats in Parliament. He called for a governing coalition. Now the campaign is over and the voters have spoken.

And now we will also have to look for agreements with each other. From a wonderful position with 35 seats, we can no longer be ignored by any party. Before the election, mainstream Dutch parties largely dismissed any talk of a coalition with Wilders. A very poor report from PBS, but what do you expect? Boy, that was pretty lame, but it is interesting how the other parties refused to have anything to do with him and now he wins that's not true but that's also not true yeah well good this shows that they report he's worse than i thought the other so there is one large party the green and labor party they got together and still couldn't get enough them nowhere near the amount of uh seats that he had

builders got but he actually changed his message um about a year ago and he said look look kike said we he really pulled he dialed back the islamophobic stuff which he never was islamophobic he said we don't need immigration in our country we're not an immigration country uh and islam brings trouble he he dialed that back and said all right everybody who's here you're dutch you're dutch i'm here for all dutch people and the vvd which is the center right party they they got a new gal to run the show and she said you know we could actually work with so now you have and he's not like the far right i mean it's the same thing in argentina well i i got that too but let me just let me just tell you i mean so so europe is clutching its pearls over

this oh no they're all gonna fall far right oh no we're shocked we're shocked um of course le pen and france is like hey this is good everyone's got a shot now still won't work there france is saying uh oh no this is this is a problem and they kind of recognize that immigration is an issue uh scandinavia you know like like, oh, far right, Islamophobe. But this is what he handily did. The guy has been in Dutch politics for almost 25 years. And he finally got his shot because it was time. Everybody was sick.

And the reason why the Dutch government fell, the cabinet fell, is over immigration. People are waiting in Holland. It's a socialist country. They're waiting five years on a list to be allowed to rent a home. And in comes, hey, I'm an asylum seeker. I'm taking you home. Thanks, government. So people were sick of it. Just a couple of these clips, because BBC NewsHour had their typical slant. The first exit polls from the Dutch general election are showing a commanding lead for the far-right, populist, anti-immigrant Freedom Party, led by Geert Wilders. Geert! The other main player in the ballot, former EU commissioner Frans Timmermans, left Green Alliance did better than predicted in the polls. Our correspondent Anna Holligan joins us from The Hague.

And Anna, this lead for the Freedom Party led by Geert Wilders, is it substantiated by early results? There's a lot to unpack there, isn't there? These results surpass, I think, probably even his own greatest expectations. Geert Wilders' Freedom Party is indeed the largest party. And what that means is not necessarily that he will be the next prime minister of the Netherlands, but that he will be given the first opportunity to try to form a coalition government. And we have had an indication from him already. He has made a victory speech. And he appears to be reaching out to the other parties, signaling he's prepared to

compromise, saying he wants to control the tsunami of asylum within the limits of the Constitution. And, well, obviously, the people in the Netherlands have voted for the party that they wanted, but this will be causing some nervousness, I would imagine, in Brussels. Absolutely, yes. Even if Geert Wilders fails to convince enough other parties to join him in a governing coalition, if the other parties refuse to do that, they will be accused of failing to listen to the voice of the people when such a significant portion of the population have voted for this man. And just in the context of Brussels, bear in mind, in his manifesto, he has offered the possibility. Oh, now he has a manifesto. Isn't that interesting? It's called a party program, but the BBC calls it his manifesto.

Yeah, of course, it's's associative this is the kind of thing that these guys do in fact using the term far right over and over doesn't make any real sense he's a conservative yes yes best yeah far right is another associative term used to indicate fascism or hitler yes yes with manifesto which means and manifestos you got you got your communist in there with the manifesto yes this is ridiculous report and the same goes for by the way mispronouncing his name over and over and over again is also a form of insult of course and the bbc should know better so then we have the same thing happening in Argentina, and he is, by his own description, a libertarian,

which is, forgive me if I get it wrong, but libertarian is not far right, is it? No, and not only that, but it turns out, according to, I've been watching this too, he's the first actual libertarian libertarian that's ever been elected to anything at that level. Anything? To the libertarians in America? Well, libertarians usually don't get elected to anything.

No, the libertarians in America, which I mean, no offense to them at all, but I was always like, I'm a Republican, but I don't want to say it. So I'm going to call my, I have my own family say to me, trying to give me an out, like, because I'm not a member of any party, never have been, say, you're a libertarian, right? What do you mean? Well, I claimed to be a libertarian for about a year. Yeah, but. Until I realized that there's nothing, there is no, there is no such thing.

It's just a bull crap moniker that you can use. Well, I believe in this. thing it's just a bullcrap moniker that you can use well i believe in this oh i would call it like republicans who believe in uh in uh in abortion abortion so the dutch someone had actually put my name into the hat somewhere at the dutch libertarian party not that i would ever consider it but uh and why i mean i live in texas and uh and the leadership of the party said oh no oh no he's too controversial oh what oh yeah oh yeah this because they're pussies and i know i'm gonna get a lot of libertarians mad at me i'm saying you know there's no real libertarians i've come to that conclusion well that's not true because except for the guy in Argentina. But do we call him a libertarian?

A seismic political shift is underway here in Argentina as the far-right radical outsider, an unknown political force... Far-right radical outsider! ...Abi Amilay has become elected president. Now, his supporters are flocking to this hotel which has become his base camp for the base camp election. And they're partying, they're chanting his name, chanting liberty. The name of

his party is Liberty Advances. They're convinced that he is the solution to Argentina's chronic problems. The economy is struggling at the moment with inflation running at 140 percent, and it means that 40 percent of the population is living below the poverty line. He only became a politician two years ago, and now as a populist, he's promising radical reforms. As a result, he's being compared to Trump in the U.S. and Bolsonaro in Brazil. He wants to adopt the dollar as the official currency of Argentina. He also wants to close down the central bank and slash public funding, as well as relaxing gun laws. Now, how much of this he will be able to actually implement remains to be seen. His political party is very new, and he only has a fraction of the politicians in the lower chamber

and also a fraction of the senators in the upper house, too. So he's going to have to do a lot of negotiating. But for the moment, these people here don't care. They're happy to take a chance on this unknown politician hoping that he will be able to solve the country's problems yeah um i think pbs also had a do they also have a thing yeah they had this thing on him here argentinian president-elect javier celebrated his election win amidst a euphoric crowd. Today we turn the page on our history and we return to the path that we should never have lost. Promising a new political era.

Stop this impoverishing model of the cast. What is this voiceover? Is PBS out of money? Do they need no donations? This guy's in a tin can that's very odd pbs today we embrace the libertarian models i think he's doing in the toilet he's in the bathroom somewhere doing this voiceover i don't hear it you don't hear it oh turn to being a global power

supporters filled the streets of Buenos Aires last night, hoping Millet's election means an end to decades of economic crises. I think this time Argentina needs to change, and that's why I bet on this new proposal. Well, I'll just skip to the end because it's too long here. I'm bored of it, but this was interesting. I'll just skip to the end because it's too long here. I'm bored of it.

But this was interesting. Millay also opposes abortion rights, wants to end the Ministry of Women, Gender and Diversity, and to loosen gun restrictions. He also famously has four cloned dogs created in a New York lab, whom he thanked when he won the August primary. York lab, whom he thanked when he won the August primary. I want to thank the four-legged children, Murray, Milton, Robert, and Lucas. A novice politician who has already grasped one of the profession's oldest rules. If you want a friend in politics, get a dog or four. I didn't know they were cloned dogs that he had. That's kind of weird. He had cloned dogs

made in a New York lab. Yeah, they've been cloned dogs for a long time. But the thing that I really thought was just interesting was that, you know, my daughter, and she's now in social services.

She works as a social worker now, believe it or not. And and, you know, she has a lot of lefties around, but not everybody. They're sick of it. They're sick, sick, sick of it. They're sick of the policies. They're sick of everything that's going on. And I need to give him props. Jordan Peterson was on Bill Maher. And for as much crap as we give him about this arc outfit he kind of nailed it with this well this but this is the this is the main issue i mean part of the reason that you see all this foolishness on university campuses too is

because people have bought this idiot metamarxism which is that the way to look at every social relationship that people ever have is through the lens of power and that that is we can put that squarely at the feet of the universities as far as i'm concerned is you know marriage is a patriarchal institution and business is nothing but oppression and you have to view every single situation that emerged historically as oppressor versus oppressed and then once you get that which you can get in about two minutes if you sit in the course that teaches that sort of thing you have a lens to moralize about the whole world through. And then you see the situation is that the leftists have already decided the Palestinians are the victims. And as you pointed out, if you're a victim, then you're morally righteous.

And even more conveniently, if you stand for the victim, then you're morally righteous regardless of what you do with your own life. And that's pretty much what university students are taught from the time they enter the university classroom and that's how they you know orient themselves morally well and that's at the hands of the radical left to bill and one of the things the democrats also have to pay the price for i would say is their absolute refusal to draw a line between the moderate democrats and the extremists they're completely incapable of doing that. I've talked to 40 senators and congressmen in the last five years.

I asked them all the same question, including RFK. He wouldn't answer either. When does the left go too far? Well, we certainly bloody well saw it in the last month, didn't we? Because they got the oppressor, oppressive narrative, a little mucked up, we might say. And the consequences of that are going to unfold pretty brutally over the next few months yes the next few months but no it's happening now i think this is happening and the big thing is politically like now people

are oh my god i have these really short little clips. Some of these people took their children, and I'm talking seven-year-olds, seemed like there were some five-year-olds, they took them to Washington, D.C., stood them outside of the White House, put little kiffiers on them. All these kids are in their Palestinian scarves, and they made them say horrible things.

Oh no, this is outrageous. When you say this is not going to unfold in the next couple of months, I don't see it. It's still going in the wrong direction. It's going to be years before this is turned around. Well, well. And you're just giving me more examples.

That's an example. No, no. I think what we're seeing, the reason why they're going to have to turn the tide, particularly on Israel, but also Ukraine, we'll get to that, is because when you have kids on the news doing this. Free, free Palestine! Free, free Palestine! Viva, viva, Palestine! Viva, viva, Palestine! That's just a...

But now listen to this one. Biden, Biden, what do you say? Biden, Biden, what do you say? How many kids have you killed today? Biden, Biden, what do you say? I'm going to let you say how many kids have you killed today. How many kids have you killed? What was the one, hey-ho, genocide, Joe has got to go? There's another one. No, wait, listen to this one. do you say how many kids have you killed today how many kids what was you on hey ho genocide joe

has got to go there's another one no no no wait listen this one so that's you know that's just kids who just their parents taught them this stuff but this kid caught outside of the purview of his parents has the quote of the day don't believe joe biden ever that's your future democrat voter it is don't believe joe biden ever and then you know in hollywood hollywood messing up. The kid even knows who Joe Biden really knows who Joe Biden is. Of course not. Of course. It's you're right.

This is child abuse at its worst. The most extreme. Yes. And then you get stuff like this. Academy Award winning actress Susan Sarandon has been dropped from major Hollywood agency UTA following her comments that American Jews are getting a taste of what it feels like to be a Muslim. And her comments come at a time America is seeing a rise in anti-Semitism. We know Susan Sarandon from the hit movies Thelma and Louise, and she won her Oscar for

Dead Man Walking. But now the internet is flooded with calls for Susan Sarandon to stick to acting and quit the divisive rhetoric. She made the comments at a pro-Palestinian rally in New York City last Friday. Let's recap what she said. There are a lot of people that are afraid, afraid of being Jewish at this time and are getting a taste of what it feels like to be a Muslim. She was a top promoter of Biden against Trump.

So it's falling apart. And then. Wait a minute. Stop there. I don't know if you recall this, but she actually was originally for Trump. For a half a second. Well, until her peer group got on her. Yes.

And then she put a pussy hat on and was good to go. But we've also reached peak incubator. They have nothing left to do. There's no more propaganda once you're here. In each of these incubators, fragile, tiny lives. The babies are sick and emaciated, born prematurely and even more vulnerable because during those first crucial weeks, they were surrounded by war. They evacuated first to southern Gaza from the embattled al-Shifa hospital in the north. On Monday, two were reunited with their mother. Today was the first time I was able to see my daughters 39 days after I gave birth, she says.

The feelings of fear and worry in my emotional state was very difficult. The twins were among the 28 babies then evacuated to Egypt. A freelance journalist working for CBC News took this video as they left to receive urgent care. So they had all the babies in the incubator, out of the incubator. Incubator. I mean, your peak incubator. So then, all right, the phone call goes out like, bro, BB, bro, we got to do something. You're killing us over here, man. After a grueling 46 days, the Israeli parliament has voted in favor of a hostage deal with Hamas.

Qatar's mediation, along with Egypt and the U.S., have secured a short but crucial period of respite. along with Egypt and the U.S., have secured a short but crucial period of respite. This deal could signal a change in the general atmosphere of this conflict. This will be a break in the wave and will create a new reality that may convince the Israelis that power doesn't always achieve the desired results, and that sitting at a negotiation table is better and can bring more practical results for us and for them, more than what they can gain from the battlefield. The deal promises some relief for both sides, but Netanyahu has made it clear this is only temporary. There is nonsense out there as if after the ceasefire to return the hostages, we will stop the war.

there as if after the ceasefire to return the hostages we will stop the war i'd like to make it clear we are at war and we will continue the war until we achieve all our goals eliminate hamas return all the hostages and missing and guarantee that there will be no threat to israel in gaza so they're there they're there already they got it all there's nothing left of Gaza. It's rubbleized. They've played the incubator card. It's done. Once you play the incubator card, you're done. That's the end. Especially when you play it.

That's like the aces of incubators. You're done. There's no turning back at that point. It's so bad. Now that our State Department, this guy, this State Department guy, he's no good. Which one? Oh, what's his name? Which one? The one who does the press briefings.

That's not, is it the Jake Sullivan lookalike? Yeah, yeah, but he's not. He looks like, if you look at him, he looks like a 1920s silent film actor. Well, it would be better if he didn't speak because he flubbed this one up bad. Whatever infrastructure exists at a hospital, under a hospital, no matter who put it there, terrorists should not be using that infrastructure to embed themselves underneath a civilian target, underneath a civilian hospital, underneath a hospital that is supposed to exist for the care of civilians. Civilian targets.

I mean, and making that, you know, using that in that facility as a human shield. So it is a separate issue than who might have built whatever room it is. The former prime minister was referring to. No, we can't. BB, do something. You're killing us. This is no good. Democrats, we don't bb do something you're killing us this is no good but democrats we don't look good man we do not look good and then meanwhile ukraine is really this is over this is over richard haas went on morning joe and he wrote this big article about

the war and he's counsel on foreign relations was he secretary of defense? He was up there. I don't know about that. Hold on a second. Wait a minute. He was I know he's counsel on foreign relations

which you've been looking at. Definitely. President of the council on foreign relations, which you've been looking at. No, he is definitely. The president of the Council on Foreign Relations. Yeah, he runs the place. Yeah, or he just stopped, I think. He was advisor, policy planning for the Department of State, advisor to Colin Powell when he was. Yeah, he was one of these. He was advisor, basically what he is basically what he is still head of CFR

advisor but the only thing he's really looks like he did anything for crap was he was the special envoy for Northern Ireland the rest of it is pretty much all cons on foreign relations so he has won the presidential citizens

medal I'd like to know. But OK, so he's written an article that is basically end the war in Ukraine. Now, you co-wrote a new piece this morning for Foreign Affairs entitled A New Strategy Must Balance Means and Ends. Explain your concern, especially as the White House is managing wars on two completely different fronts. Well, Mika, the White House is managing two wars, but in both of them, I would say we're increasingly at odds with our allies and partners. We just talked in the previous hour about differences with Israel, about how the war is being fought and about what comes after. about how the war is being fought and about what comes after. In Ukraine, I think we've got a real problem where there's simply an enormous gap between what the goals are of the policy and what the realities are.

The idea that Ukraine is going to militarily liberate all the land that Russia occupies, approximately 20% of their territory, it's laudable. I support it. It's just not going to happen. Well, thisable i support it it's just not going to happen well this is a change it's just not going to happen and then he explains why and what should be done and and of course it's time to rebuild we need to get the dollars flowing to rebuild ukraine we've got to get this thing going, people. There's money. How long do our allies in Europe, who've all done, I think, together, NATO's done an extraordinary job, how much longer do we continue pushing, I think, what many people in the Pentagon would think is the unrealistic goal of Ukraine driving every last Russian out of their country.

It's exactly the right question, Joe. And what concerns me is when people get disillusioned and increasingly come to where you and I are, that as desirable as it is, it's simply not feasible. They're going to increasingly say, and we're hearing it in the House, we're hearing it. I'm sorry? I think Scarborough is in CFR. Yeah, but it puts him and puts Scarborough squarely in the stop the war camp. Increasingly come to the conclusion

This was telling him. This is the message, Joe. This is where we are, right, Joe? As desirable as it is, it's simply not feasible. They're going to increasingly say, and we're hearing it in the House, we're hearing it in parts of Europe, why should we keep doing this? We're already stretched. We're trying to support Israel.

We're worried about Taiwan. And even if we give everything we need to give or want to give to Ukraine, it still won't lead to success. What I argue, therefore, is the United States needs to have some very direct conversations with Ukraine, with President Zelensky. Talk about reducing their emphasis on liberating land, increasingly put all their emphasis on holding on to what they've got. Be happy with what you've got, Zelensky.

Look, you've got 80%. It's good. It's good. You know, you might have stumbled onto something here. This guy, as the head of cfr went on the show possibly to turn joe around boom specifically 45 seconds left here in the long run diplomatically through sanctions yes we can try to see the rest of their territory return but for right now let's have 80 of this country country safe, 80% of this country rebuilt. I would actually propose to cease fire as an interim arrangement to expose the Russians for what they are so we can rebuild support for Ukraine in this country.

But we've had two fighting seasons. The idea that one or two or three more years of this is going to result in success, I simply don't see it. Russia's on a war footing. They have access also to arms from North Korea and Iran. So I just think, you know, anytime in foreign policy, anytime in life, there's a big gap between what you're trying to do and your ability to do it. You've either got to increase your means or lower your goals. And I think here the only realistic option

as a tactical measure is to lower our goals. And right on cue, the G20 brings back Vladimir. It was the first G20 summit Vladimir Putin has joined, albeit remotely, since the 2022 Ukraine conflict. In a virtual meeting with world leaders on Wednesday, the Russian president softened his usual hostile tone, the Russian president softened his usual hostile tone, referring to the conflict as a tragedy, and even at one point using the word war to describe Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine instead of his preferred term of special military operation. Some colleagues have already said in their speeches

that they are shocked by the ongoing aggression of Russia in Ukraine. We must think about how to stop this tragedy. By the way, Russia has never refused peace negotiations with Ukraine. It's not Russia, but Ukraine that has publicly announced that it's withdrawing from the negotiation process. He's signaling, he's like, okay, I hear you, CFR, we're good. All we ever wanted was that 20%. That's our turf. And Crimea, you're not getting that 20%. That's our turf.

And Crimea, you're not getting that back. No, that's for sure. Yeah, so be happy with it, Vladimir. McGregor was on his normal talk show that he keeps showing up on, coughing constantly. Oh, that's not good. Well, he's coughing, yes, but then I'm watching him, and he's coughing, coughing. And he pulls, I'm going to throw out a pro tip for all you podcasters and wannabes. Here we go.

He picks up a glass of ice water with ice cubes in it and takes a big swig because he's coughing so much. If you have an issue coughing, you want tepid water. Yes, tepid. Ice water makes you cough more. Tepid is the word of the day. Can you use tepid in a sentence? You want tepid water. Tepid water.

Because if you keep drinking, I mean, I drink cold soda on this show and I'll start coughing near the end. Yes. But I know better i just happen to like for it but when i saw him and he kept picking this glass of ice water up and coughing more and more and it was terrible wrong but mcgregor mcgregor made the conclusion that our side what the washington side is very funny clip uh our side is so incompetent that

we're the ones that are preventing anything from ending in Ukraine because we've got nobody that can even admit they were wrong or can do any negotiating. It's a mess. And so he predicts the worst. He doesn't see it ending like Haas would like to see it because our side has got a bunch of boneheads well then because it's thanksgiving all of a sudden the candanavia shows up with some good news one of our producers got this one through to me it looks like the conservatives in uh in the canadian parliament caught caught a fast one being pulled which may have been one of the um or it may still be one of the intended uses for ukraine because you know ukraine is going to be very useful it's going to be useful for a lot

it's still going to be great for money laundering it's still going to be great for crime for cyber crime it's still going to be fantastic for hookers and drugs know, now it'll be more controlled. It'll be controlled by whoever ultimately controls Vladimir. But a fast one was pulled. Also in Ottawa, there was heated debate today in the House of Commons on the updated Canada-Ukraine free trade agreement. The Conservatives voted en masse against the new legislation this week. And leader Pierre Polyev said the bill imposes a carbon tax on the people of Ukraine. The pathological obsession these liberals have with carbon taxes has now reached a level where

it is sick to impose their destructive carbon tax on the people of Ukraine. To turn down a free trade agreement with a beacon of democracy like Ukraine. What is up with that party? That's what Canadians want to know. And this carbon tax excuse, no one's buying. Help me understand this. Free trade legislation, free trade deals, they're mutually negotiated. But Pierre Polyev is saying that Canada is imposing a carbon tax on Ukraine while they have a knife to their throat. What's the truth of this? Okay, just a note, of course, I work with but not for the Ukrainian government.

The point here being that's a peculiar and kind of disappointing interpretation. The fact is, yes, this was a mutually negotiated agreement, and that it simply says that both sides will consult on and promote the idea of carbon pricing. Which is the most important thing. They need to get a price on carbon. They've been trying this for a decade. And it sounds longer. Well, that we've really been aware of it.

This carbon pricing. Carbon pricing. So good one. Yeah, good one. well that we've really been aware of it this carbon pricing longer carbon pricing so good one yeah good one try to do some carbon pricing get it get a price on carbon by the way just before we slip away from the pressure on genocide joe um well i think i have a ukraine clip you want to go okay yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah sure you got what you're banging them like i just banged them like uh it's okay let me bang away do i have a ukraine i don't i don't see a ukraine clip no i i'm i'm out of ukraine clips well i'll have one for sunday well because you

sent me an article put in the show notes and i found another one um because apac apAC is also leaning heavily on the Democrat Party in America. AIPAC, you mean the American-Israeli AIPAC as opposed to AIPAC, the meetup that you just had in San Francisco? That's AIPAC. No, this is AIPAC, the American-Israel Public Affairs Committee. Right. pack the american israel public affairs committee right uh so they they pretty much got a republican in michigan but kicking the democrat out and why because the democrat was like oh i like aoc the squad's cool they're great boom so the democrats out the republicans in and now and this is a whoa

this this just came through on Yahoo. This is horrible. AIPAC seeks to unseat congressional black caucus members over Israel. They get money. Yes. And the wherewithal, they have people that know how to do marketing. Yeah. Well, that's, I mean, it's all these politicians' own fault.

They don't work for the people. They don't talk to the people. They talk to money. Yeah. And the parties. Oh, I need a million dollars to be on a committee. It's all so corrupt.

Yeah, we haven't talked about that for years. Well, it's true. No, it is true. You have to pay to be, if you're the chairman of a major committee, you have to pay your party millions of dollars. So you have to be raising millions of dollars all the time. Otherwise, you have no power, no influence. It's all so cynical. So we need one of those melee guys or Geert Wilders.

Wait, we have one, Trump, the Dutch Trump. Well, we got the American Trump. Who? We have the American Trump. Yeah, well, they are freaked out about the American Trump. And the best Trump hate is coming from MSNBC. Without a doubt.

It's fantastic. Well, let's just stay with the Jew hate. Jen Psaki trying out a new hairdo, which is not working. She's trying to flip, flip, flip up, flip downs, like flippy curls. She looks like an idiot. She does. She does look. You're right.

You nailed it. And she had on the governor of Illinois, whose streets are filled with Genocide Joe protesters. Which is great. Pritzker, Jewish himself, to come on and talk. Because, you know, Trump is clearly Adolf Hitler. We just got to go back to that meme. Bring it back. The migrant crisis, though, is front and center for a lot of people in this country.

On the border, but also states like Illinois. Are you worried that his talk-tough approach is going to be appealing to some people in the country jen you know i led the building of a holocaust museum he built a holocaust museum ladies and gentlemen what to do with trump that just shows he's a good Jew. Of a Holocaust museum. The rhetoric that's being used by Donald Trump, the rhetoric that's being used by some of the MAGA extremists, is rhetoric that was used in the 1930s. When you call people from a political party extremists, is that not by itself rhetoric that has been used throughout dictatorial? From 30s from Hitler 30s from Hitler is more like Hitler than Trump.

Some of the MAGA extremists is rhetoric that was used in the 1930s in Germany. I am very concerned about the direction of the country if we see policies like what Donald Trump is espousing come to light for our country. I think you're referencing in part, he used the word vermin. Ooh, vermin. He used the word vermin. And by the way, Trump does this purposefully. And as we call yum, yum, yum, yum, there's Saki taking the bait. Just recently, to describe who he was targeting as one of the leading Jewish governors in the country. I mean, what did you think when you heard that? Wait, did she say one of the douche governors? Yes, she said one of the leading douche governors of the country.

one of the leading douche governors of the country. Well, it's just one in a long series of remarks, words that Donald Trump has used that are unfortunately reminiscent of, you know, the past. Yes. Let me just be clear. Very, very reminiscent of the past. In Germany in the 1930s, people that they didn't want to have power, people that they wanted to separate and segregate, they began calling them immigrants.

Even people who were, has been injured. They began calling them immigrants. What? Yeah. But is he redesigning the whole World War II scenario here? Yes. With the immigrants bull crap? This is not true.

Well, remember, he led the building of the Holocaust Museum, so... Well, then he must be right. Yes. They began calling them immigrants. Even people who had been in Germany for generations, Jews who were doctors, lawyers in government at the time, became known as immigrants, even though they were German. And this is a way to begin to segregate people. And then eventually, at least what happened in Germany, is that they turned it into a way to almost dehumanize. Almost. And then they did, in fact, dehumanize. By calling them vermin? And kill people. I don't know where it's going with Donald Trump. What I can tell you is the things that he talks about are frightening to those of us who know the history of Europe in the 1930s and 40s.

Now, could this be anything like calling for people to die if they want to go to the hospital, they have a heart attack because they're unvaccinated? People who don't wear masks telling them to just die. Is that similar to what he's saying here? Just othering people in that way? Because I think he pretty much did that. Yeah, he did. He basically said if you don't get vaccinated, you can die. This guy, by the way, this Pritzker guy is really the scum of the earth.

Oh, this whole family is horrible. And you said scum of the earth. It's a horrible family. You know, what you just said is reminiscent of the 1930s. You called him scum of the earth. I think he's reminiscent of an old novel I read. And his brother, his brother, I'm sorry, now sister, is at the base of this whole trans maoist movement because they're the people that are funding much of it yes yes his um that's anti-semitic by the way you just called a jew someone who's funding something bad john bad bad bad predilection for revenge and what that will mean for you know groups of predilection for revenge

this is the problem people that didn't support him in the 2024 election if in fact he gets elected what what is going on here and here's the next clip from uh morning joe again the the the the established the states let's just call it the state and it will it's not necessarily democrats it's the it's people in agencies the people who have corrupted this country our country have corrupted it they are afraid because they know not now there's too much is out there we've seen the twitter files you know we we understand fake news, you know, no agenda. Everyone listens to no agenda and say, wow, that boy, that's all crap. You know, we're we're kind of part of the problem.

But now they're all worried that Donald Trump will come in and is going to hang them. If you want to be fair, then you will frame this as Joe Biden being the candidate that supports American democracy, and Donald Trump, a candidate who supports a new form of government here, that's authoritarian. It's a new form of government. A new form of government. It's called authoritarian. It's a new form. It's never been done before.

How does he manage to do that with the powers, the way that things are, the balance of powers, that we have set up in this country with the justice and the legislator and the executive branches, the three branches. How does that work? How can that even be done? We saw him do it. I mean, I don't understand this.

All I see when you go on the counter-Mastodon, I mean, not our Mastodon, but if you listen to the other guys, the other side, all the lefties who have quit Twitter in a huff, and all they do is say the same thing, that it's the end of democracy. It's the end of this. It's the end of that if Trump gets in. But the system won't allow Trump to do much, as you saw the last time he was in. How did that work when he had four years in the White House? No, the only thing he did was defend himself against Russian allegations most of the time.

He wasn't able to do much. Well, I guess that was good work, everybody. Form of government here. This authoritarian. It's really that simple. And by the way, it's really that simple. It's that simple. It's that simple.

Oh, you can't compare him to past Nazi leaders. Wow. Listen to Mika. She's like doing callbacks on the side. You know, she's like, like she's calling response. Calling response. Yes. Like a black church. Yes.

It's really that simple. And by the way, Reverend Allen, people go, oh, you can't compare him to past Nazi leaders. He's like diamond and silk. You can't compare him to this past Nazi leader or that past fascist leader because he hasn't done that. Well, what hasn't he done? He hasn't done the things that the American judicial system did not allow him to do last time, but may very well allow him to do this time. What? So it didn't happen last time, but it's going to happen this time. A judicial system that will be ignored by Donald Trump. Oh.

And ran over by Donald Trump. You mean like all the executive orders Joe Biden did the minute he came into office? Like that? To create the greatest constitutional crisis of our lifetimes. Just because he hasn't done it yet doesn't mean he won't do it when he gets a chance to do it. I love that logic. It gets better. It gets better.

It doesn't mean he won't do it when he gets a chance to do it. And if he is voted into office, then a lot of these people that are talking about literal or figurative or whatever the hell they're saying, you're going to look like idiots because he will do. He will get away with. He will imprison. He will execute whoever he's allowed. He's going to execute people. He's going to kill. They're going to hang them.

To imprison. Guillotines. Execute a drive from the country. Just look at his past. Yeah, where he executed everybody. He did. He had a gun, pulled it out, and shot him in the Oval Office.

He didn't even lock up Hillary Clinton. Come on. He didn't even, right, he let Hillary go without any issue at all. But then, then then come this is my final trump hate clip but then comes now this is kind of dangerous when you start doing saying this stuff i mean just imagine if if a mega republican had said this this is representative daniel goldman who i believe is from california is gold California? I don't know. We have hundreds.

So there's been so much speculation and contemplation, discussion of what Trump wanted to do. Discussion, contemplation. What he knew or didn't know. Do you think, as a prosecutor, this is something that could be useful in the case against Trump? How will it be used? Yeah, well, I mean, look, he says

I would be well-received because he knows that the people who were there are his supporters who he riled up and incited to invade and riot at the Capitol and try to disrupt the proper counting of the Electoral College votes. So every time he talks, he's putting himself into a bigger criminal hole. But but that's not his objective. His objective is purely political at this point. Politics don't work in a courtroom, as I think he's finding out in the New York attorney general's case in New York, a civil case. And that's going to continue in his criminal trials. But his rhetoric is really getting dangerous, more and more dangerous. We saw what happened

on January 6th when he uses inflammatory rhetoric when he told everybody to stop it when he said peaceful don't don't do anything crazy that rhetoric is when we saw what happened when he was said please please don't do it happened on january 6th when he uses inflammatory rhetoric now and his recent true social post is incredibly, incredibly scary for anyone that might be trying to work in government. What's the laugh for? Because, I don't know, because it's not really scary. He's lying. He's lying.

It's incredibly. Because he's projecting is really what's going on. Incredibly scary for anyone that might be trying to work in government. That's interesting. Trying to, he was going to say operate, but then he said work in government. I don't know. Maybe the lifestyle was weird. You're right.

It is incredibly, incredibly scary for anyone that might be trying to work in government. might be trying to work in government. And it is just unquestionable at this point that that man cannot see public office again. He is not only unfit, he is destructive to our democracy, and he has to be eliminated. Eliminated. Eliminated. I think that's a threat that the Secret service should look into it's trump you can say whatever you want ah do you see my bit on sake i said trump should be eliminated touch me so uh crazy i only have two trump clips which are

base clips about the everyone freaking out over his numbers going up oh no oh no his numbers are going up this nntd yeah yet another win for former president trump in a major poll trump's presidential campaign has been a success so far congress meanwhile is a bit less successful. Dozens of lawmakers are resigning, some out of frustration. NTD's Ariane Postar brings you an election update. Former President Trump is widening his lead over President Biden in a hypothetical 2024 matchup. That's according to the prominent Emerson College poll. In November last year, the poll found that Biden was leading over Trump with 45 to 41 percent.

A month ago, Trump was leading with 47 to 45 percent. Now Trump's lead increased by two points to 47 to 43 percent. Biden took a big hit in support among minorities, losing a total of 26 percentage points over the last year. Meanwhile, at Congress, California Representative Anna Eshoo this week announced that she's stepping down after three decades. So far, over 30 lawmakers this year announced that they're not seeking re-election. This comes after two exhausting House speaker races,

two near-government shutdowns, and multiple attempts to impeach, censor or expel officials. And all that while Congress is still in its first session. Various lawmakers are disappointed with the way things are going on the Hill. Representative Earl Blumenauer, who has been in Congress for over 25 years, told Punchbowl News, It's insane, and it adds no value to my life. The things I care about, I can do better not here.

So, NTD, are the chinese just making the ai people now this guy very robotic read you see these guys and they're they don't look like they sound that's what's weird about it well it's it's definitely i mean it's like this is diversity in action this is true diversity it's kind of off-putting. Why should everyone sound like the same guy? Well, okay, but it sounds like a robot. There's a part two to this. Now over to local elections. In South Carolina, the city of Charleston voted for a Republican mayor for the first time since 1877.

That's almost 150 years. Former South Carolina GOP representative William Coxwell won the race on Tuesday And in New York Former governor Andrew Cuomo Is reportedly considering running for mayor Of New York City That's according to Politico

Which says that Cuomo might run If current mayor Eric Adams resigns Or decides not to run for re-election Ooh, there was the R word in there And there goes our guy No, we can't have that not to run for re-election. Ooh, there was the R word in there. And there goes our guy. No, we can't have that. No, we need that guy.

Now, that's interesting because, you know, they have, they, first of all, I think Eric Adams got kicked out of the club because he said, hey, this is not working, New York City. But, you know, this is going to cost us too much money. Cardi B, how he hates him now. You got Cardi B hating you, then that's pretty bad. but you know this is going to cost us too much money cardi b how he hates him now i mean you got cardi b you got cardi b hating you then that's pretty bad and uh and then in fact it's a clip we'd play but it's so profane it's all f words get it um and uh you know and he was like well you know this this is no good these migrants and they they kicked him out of the club they sent him on a

re-education tour and then they and now they're investigating his largest fundraiser. This guy's going to get going to get knocked out. And he's going to get thrown into one of those hokal prison camps. Yeah, I mean, New York, get out of New York. Get out of New York. There's some good clips floating around about New York and the prison camps. Now, back to the election and Trump versus Biden. I do have a couple of clips from the birthday. Biden just had a birthday. Is it 81? He's now 92.

Come on now. Let's not be ageist. 81, 81. So he was on. And Fox and Friends. Actually, not Fox. it was Fox Weekend. They just botched everything. I mean, I have to say.

And I'm listening to Fox. Why? More than you are. Why? They are just making mistakes left and right. And I want you to, I'm going to play these these clips and i'm going to be very critical here fox for people who think that we like fox uh i've ever liked fox no and you in particular yeah because run by democrats we all know it yeah it's run by democrats um so i want to play this is the

biden beat a rap gaffe and i want you to you should be able to spot the gaffes by the way can i just when i say I have no hate against Democrats. I really don't. But the Democrat system, just like the Republican system, the jackoffs, all of them. Okay, back to you, Bob. So let's go with Biden birthday. What are you apologizing for? I just want people to understand that I love all people.

That you don't hate Democrats? No, I don't hate people who vote Democrat at all. You don't hate people. Okay, you're a lover, not a hater. Hey, too many eggs.com. Too many. That's my Christmas gift. Come on.

That's my out. Biden, Biden birthday right now. I think the gaps right away and then we'll we can see you'll spot it, but you might not. President Biden landed on the South Lawn here at the White House just a short time ago. And it's safe to say there's going to be no surprise. 81st birthday party for him tonight here at the White House. And when the clock strikes 12 and probably not tomorrow either, with all expected to be a low key affair, with all focus on the turkey part, maybe a shot of wild turkey for the staff. But here is what David Axelrod told the New York Times about President Biden, quote, I think he has a 50

50 shot here, but no better than that. Maybe a little worse. He thinks he can cheat nature here and it's really risky. They've got a real problem if they're counting on Trump to win it for them. I remember Hillary doing that, too. Now, on Fox News Sunday, Senator Chris Coons responded to Axelrod. That's an interesting point from David. In 2007, a year out from the 2008 election, I'll remind you that poll after poll was showing that Barack Obama was going to lose to Rudy Giuliani, and in 2011, that Barack Obama was going to lose to Mitt Romney. Head to head polls a year out, frankly, don't say much at all.

Now, a recent article in Politico by Jonathan Martin titled Here's How Biden Can Turn It Around. Top Democrats agree that the president needs more aggressiveness, more help from his friends and a few more friends. Liz Cheney, Rahm Emanuel and Mitt Romney can help. Says the president's had issues with Axelrod in the past. The piece warns, quote, calling David Axelrod a P word that I'm told I'm not supposed to say on news here. It rhymes with stick, Lisa. As a person who has heard Biden use the word, says he does in private, is not a strategy to win 270 electoral votes. Now, there's

a new NBC poll out today, shows that at 80 years old, soon to be 81, by. Now, there's a new NBC poll out today shows that at 80 years old, soon to be 81, by the way, tonight at the stroke of midnight, by not having the necessary mental and physical health to be president for a second term, 59% say that's a major concern. Well, first of all, did Biden run against Giuliani? No, of course not. He ran against McCain. I was going to say, that was the gaffe, right? Yeah, and the gaffe was, here's the thing about the gaffe. It was, Giuliani was never really in the picture that year.

No. So you can't say, well, you know. Ron Paul, Ron Paul was in the picture more than Giuliani. Yeah, he was. But here's the thing about the gaffe chris coombs is biden's campaign manager i didn't know that he so that's one aspect of this the second thing is you've got four people on this show uh sitting at the dais none of them caught that and then you have another five people minimum maybe more away in the control room with people in their ears none of them caught that. And then you have another five people minimum, maybe more, in the control room with people in their ears.

None of them caught it. There's a floor manager. He didn't catch it. What is wrong with this place? Wait, you're telling me that cable news is full of crap? Oh, imagine. So here we go. There's a second gaffe coming up that is just right part of this first gaffe.

And it's just like like it blows by everybody. Here we go at part two. Fifteen percent say it's a moderate concern, whatever that means. Twelve percent minor concern and 14 percent say it's no real concern. And by the way, that poll also showed Biden with the lowest approval rating of his presidency, guys. Well, you know, they've had 80 years to prepare for it. I hope it's a great party tomorrow. Thank you, Lucas.

Well, 81. Yeah. Yeah, well, but he just starts his 81st year, so they've had only 80 years to prepare for it. I mean, I didn't know what that was about. It was idiotic. He's on his 82nd year. He says they've had 80 years to prepare for it, and the girl says, no, 81, because he's 81,

so he's had 81 years, and he's been in business for 81 years. It's like when you're a one-year-old, you're not starting your first birthday. You're already one. You're going to two. You know what's happening is you're watching these shows, and you're getting riled up just like they are. You're like starting your first birthday. You're already one. You're going to two. You know what's happening is you're watching these shows and you're getting riled up just like they are. You're like listening to Twitter. But it's the idiocy of this.

Yes. The fact that he calls her out and says, no, no, he's going to be. He says, no, he's working on his 81st year, he says to her. And she, as I hate, don't want to to say it but as a submissive woman apparently whoa here we go she backs off to the male's intent who's full of shit by the way this guy and she doesn't say anything and the other female that's on the panel doesn't say anything and the other male who i think might even be gutfeld but no it's not somebody else no no that's he that gutfeld's only on the five.

But it's somebody else. And nobody calls the guy on this bullshit. In fact, I have to follow up what happens right afterwards, which just wanders off. Have you considered? This is stunning to me that this is so stupid on Fox. You can't watch this. This is not healthy for you. You play this third part.

Only 80 years to prepare for it. Dr. Sapphire, you know, explain this to us. I mean, you know, at this kind of age, he's going to be 86 if he were to win another term and finish it. What are the problems? I mean, what could go wrong here? Anything can go wrong with any single person any day of the week. anything can go wrong with any single person any day of the week but hey he's he's handing you the alley-oop lady what you're supposed to say is he could die that's that wasn't that the alley-oop right there what could go wrong he's 81 what could possibly by the way that's also ageist i don't like any of it it's not nice that's's just Fox. Fox is really deteriorated. Yes.

Ever since Tucker left. Ever since Megyn Kelly left. Actually, I think you could probably trace it back to Megyn Kelly. Yeah. It was her fault for the whole thing because she was all in on the Me Too thing that was going on at the station to get rid of the guy who started the whole thing because she was all in on the on the me too thing that was going

on at the station to get rid of the guy who started the whole thing uh let's talk about something we know about we know about this we know about well first i need to congratulate and commend you uh for being right for four days yeah i was right was right for four whole days. You called it, you called it, you called it. Everybody was like, wow. And usually they attribute that to me, but they got it right. Like John really, he called it, Sam Altman going to Microsoft.

I mean, you nailed it. The clip was very clear. Like you said, oh yeah, Microsoft sucks these guys right up. And I was like, wow, there you go. That's perfect. And then things started to change. And this is, I have a lot of thoughts on this, as you can imagine, because we've uncovered so much about what was really going on at OpenAI.

And I think we are, in fact, at peak AI hype. And I have a feeling all of this is about to fall apart quicker than we expected but first let us listen to the experts of finance over at cnbc led by andrew ross sorkin who of course is one of the co-creators of the hit show billions on showtime explain what's going on let's talk about the big news that broke overnight because a lot of folks... By the way, this is big news. You know, the world stopped. Kara Swisher, your protege, was running around on Twitter going, I called it! I called it! I'm great! I'm the best reporter ever! Look at my reporting! I'm so proud of my reporting!

She's really inconscionable. She's constantly spiking the ball. What happened? Into a mosh pit. very hard. She's constantly spiking the ball. You know, what happened? Into a mosh pit. Do you think that as a child, no one ever told her she was worthy or something? Because you're right, all she's

doing is spiking the ball, and then I call that he's going to Microsoft, I call that he's not going to Microsoft, this is my great reporting. I've got Satya Nadella on our exclusive interview. Satya Nadella's on every single channel doing interviews. Anyway, back to the boy genius. You know, I think you and she should get a room.

I would give her a piece of my mind, that's for sure. Let's talk about the big news that broke overnight because a lot of folks focused on it already this morning. OpenAI posting on X that Sam Allman will now officially return as CEO. Former Salesforce CEO Brett Taylor and former Treasury Secretary Larry Summers will join AI's Opens board. Taylor was named board chair. And then Quora's CEO Adam D'Angelo will remain on the board. Allman posted on X, I love OpenAI and everything I've done over the past few days has been in service of keeping this team and its mission together.

When I decided to join Microsoft on Sunday evening, it was clear that was the best path for me and the team. With the new board and with Satya's support, I'm looking forward to returning to OpenAI and building on our strong partnership with Microsoft. Now, in response, Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella posting in part, quote, we encouraged by the changes to the OpenAI board. We believe this is a first essential step on a path to a more stable, well-informed and effective governance. And ousted chairman Greg Brockman posting, returning to OpenAI and getting back to coding tonight. So he hit the keyboard. All right.

So, yeah. Yeah. Oh, he hit the keyboard. So a couple of things happening here. One, no one is talking about the board that just got wiped off the face of the map, including Helen Toner, all of these effective altruism, all members, possibly members of the crazy sex cults in san francisco with the polycules who knows what's going on there that board just got wiped out except for the adam d'angelo i think who is i think he's pretty he is he's a he's friends with satchin adela that may be his guy for now so now they have a three-person board mole i'm sorry yeah mole he's the mole then you have larry summers i mean so what is what the

hell is that guy doing in there i mean he got a big check to be a part of this everybody i mean larry summers is the only council on foreign relations guy in there. So he might be just a guy like a spook. Well, so now- Keeping an eye on things. Well, yes. And I think what I'm starting to feel here is that OpenAI and Sam Altman is just marketing. The marketing was,

let's get everybody all crazy about AI, throw out your chat GPT-3, which really is not impressive. Yes, it can answer you like you're human, but it's unusable for reliability in all aspects. Don't worry, chat GPT-4 will be better. Don't worry, we've got generative AI. Oh, we've got sentient AI. It's all coming.

And he's like the Elizabeth Holmes of this stuff. And he just has that complicated talk, you know, like, well, you know, I think that AI will, if we don't do it right, right um it will it could you know could be dangerous to the world which is why we at open ai um are working right to um to do this kind of thing but i i i see the i'm just he's not a coder he's just a talker he's like elon musk be like you know like one of the main coders is this illya guy who is the one who was responsible for getting him ousted, if you look into it. Yes. And I think he's gone. And he's like the Russian kid

who's also got a very weird background. He's been all over the place. And he seems more like the guy who actually knows how this thing works. But besides the copyright violations of written word and images it's just not impressive you know you've got you've got competitors to chat gpt also um using already opening up app stores so you can load all it's like okay so we could load all the no agenda information in there and we could go in and we could say, what did Adam and John say about this?

And it would pop something out. It may be right. You know, we have been wrong. It being at dot IO. It does kind of the same thing already. You can decide for yourself. who does journalism, Kara Schwisser, with her great guest, Satya Nadella, two days after he's been on every, he's been on Bloomberg, he's been on CNBC, and she's trying to goad him in.

And this Satya Nadella, what a character this guy is. Yay! Everything's great! Yay! You know, it's like it's a fun, everything's fun, there's nothing wrong! Yay! Microsoftrosoft this is how he talks yeah and he's got the stock jacked up yes and i understand really good and i understand why because what what is the big story of ai it's not ai it's that companies like Microsoft can sucker people into compute resources using their Azure cloud. That's what this is about. It's not about AI.

It's about selling cloud cycles and services. And the whole open AI valuation is some hyped up bull crap. And our partners and customers, whether they're using OpenAI or Microsoft, but the point is we were very confident in our own ability. We have all the IP rights and all the capability. I mean, look, if tomorrow OpenAI disappeared, I don't want any customer of ours to be worried about

it, quite honestly. Wait a minute. So if OpenAI disappears tomorrow, it's no problem. We got all the IP. We got all the people. We've got all the compute cycles. We don't need them except to act as a buffer in case there's a lawsuit or to blame something on. I don't want any customer of ours to be worried about it, quite honestly, because we have all of the rights to continue the innovation, not just to serve the products. But we can, you know, go and just do what we were doing in partnership ourselves.

And so we don't need those guys, the people, we have the compute, we have the data, we have everything. We got everything. We don't need those guys. In fact, Sam Altman, go back to home base. And so, but at the same time, I'm committed to OpenAI partnership. And that's kind of what I expressed to them. And where does that stand? Because you have invested, is it 13 billion or

12 billion in the company? Very interesting question. Did they really invest 12 billion dollars? Well, no. It's a complicated thing. We have a significant investment. It sort of comes in the form of not just dollars, but it comes in the form of compute and what have you. And that gives us significant rights. They gave them $10 billion worth of compute. Yes, exactly. Which is what? Is that the retail price? Probably.

No, that's probably retail times 10. You know, here's the thing you kind of stumbled on i want to mention before you finish this clip he had altman over there and then he had to analyze or the company itself or his or his lawyers had to say look and i don't know if anyone's familiar with something called the shim a shim is software code to keep you, for example, if you're using one of these GNU Linux or something like that and any kind of one of these GNU products, if you use it, you have to give up your rights to it and you have to give all these rights up. So people design software code that's called a shim, which is something to place you between liability, having to be liable, and the company, the GNU guys. So this is kind of what he must have been thinking when he said, yeah, when he hired Altman over and he said, no, you go back and do it over there because that prevents us

if there's some, we're the deep pockets here. Yes. If there's some major lawsuit you guys you know for copyright violation or whatever you eat it you guys can eat it and just go out of business we'll hire you that back then and you can do some little thing on the side here but we can't be even close to this kind of liability so they create a shim something to buffer them from the what's bound to which is, and you always complain about this, it's bound to happen. A big, giant lawsuit that can take them out.

Well, just announced yesterday, nonfiction authors sue OpenAI for copyright infringement. That's just the beginning. That's just the beginning. Because they've all said, no we we we've we've sucked in all of your your information but that's uh fair use you see and it's fair use it cracks me up yeah so the law interesting this was actually going to happen in it's this is going to this is going to be a supreme court case eventually because the fair use law, which we use, we have these clips. These are all fair use because they're very small snippets of what goes on for an hour.

That's not what determines fair use. Fair use is if it's an educational setting, if you are using... It's also a different use. Yeah, but I'm just saying it's a fair use if we play a clip, which is we are in an educational news gathering setting. It doesn't even have to be that. Yes, there's a deep definition. Yes. But sucking everything up and then regurgitating it in a mixed up form.

It's not fair use. It's not fair use. I can see where you'd think it was. Because look, I... Okay, let's, let me, I'll make the argument. So I, I'm the AI. And so I've sucked up every novel by Ernest Hemingway. And I've decided to write an essay that in the style of Ernest Hemingway. And so the AI, as AI, I crank out like, I don't know, let's say 2,500 word piece. But I have sucked up, well, i don't know let's say 2500 word piece but i have sucked up well i don't know five million words so i'm only taking 2500 words out of five million and it's and let's

say the piece is educational or it's it's different enough or it's humorous because a lot of parody parody is allowed parodies are all free game. So, so what did I do wrong? Well, I would say, go talk to Vanilla Ice. Go talk to what's the guy who did

Robin Thicke. I mean, in music, this is well established. You use one little sample, one little lick, one little riff, and you got a lawsuit on your hands. Now, the thing is, OpenAI, it's questionable whether they have any actual revenue. They say, we got 100 million people paying us $20 a month. Questionable. We don't really know that.

But even that is chump change to Satya Nadella. What he wants, and I know because my buddy Vic, he has an integration company. He sells this stuff, Microsoft, mainly to call centers. But the AI that is going to come with Microsoft will be transcripts of meetings, especially your Microsoft team meetings. You get a transcript. It'll have action items and then the action items will automatically be put on your calendar whoo that's the kind of stuff we're talking about oh i see your it's clippy on steroids it's clippy on that's exactly

right yeah it's clippy on steroids you're trying so you have to see a beefed up clippy someone wants to do some art for that room so but but today's art has to be thanksgiving art so yeah so someone you know it'll be like oh i see you're trying to write a letter scolding your underling here in the organization let me help you write that yeah it'll be fine and what they're selling what microsoft will be selling and i know this firsthand is compute cycles to suck in all of your company's data. So let's say you have, it could be a law office, but it could be any, it could just be, you sell fireworks for a living, doesn't matter. It'll, you know, suck up all that data. What is the most resource intensive is creating the large language model, the LLM. So you create your own LLM, which has to be fine-tuned. You get all

kinds of expensive guys like ComicStripBlogger to do it because that's what he does, to fine-tune it all. That costs millions of dollars, particularly in very expensive compute resources, which is all Azure Cloud. And then you can probably retrieve some pretty reliable information about your organization. You could also just hire a couple people who know what the heck they're doing. So this is all some kind of pipe dream, but Microsoft, you know,

it's, well, our customers, their customers aren't waiting for some robot to come in and do their business. No, their customers are wanting a better script for the call center. This is not impressive this is not what people think it is and i think we are at peak ai let's continue it's a complicated thing

it's sort of we have a significant investment we it sort of comes in the form of uh not just dollars but it comes in the form of compute and what have you and uh and that gives us significant rights uh as i said and and also this thing it's not a hands-off, right? We are in there, we are below them, above them, around them. We do the kernel optimizations, we build tools, we build the infrastructure. So that's why I think a lot of some of the industry analysts are saying, oh, wow, it's really a joint project between Microsoft and OpenAI. really a joint project between Microsoft and open AI.

And, and, and the reality is we are, as I said, very self-sufficient in all of this. So this is completely the new blockchain. This is Satya Nadella telling us, look,

we own the, we own those guys, lock, stock and barrel, but they're, you're right, our shim. So in case anything comes along that we don't like,

Altman already did his work. His work was to get protections for the largest companies with the largest compute cycles, i.e. Amazon's AWS, Microsoft Azure, and Google. Because anything that's created has to be done by those guys to make sure that your AI for your fireworks company doesn't eat the world because, oh, it's a robot. It's so smart. Bull crap. And to accentuate this, for 14 hours, they had an interim CEO, Emmett Shear. Emmett Shear, he was the CEO of Twitch. Emmett Shearer, he was the CEO of Twitch. And so this gives you an idea of the insanity of these spun-up,

just crazy people inside not just OpenAI, but the entire AI universe, how nuts they are. He's sitting down for a podcast with red points you know this is a new thing now with you and i know a bit about venture capital guys you know we've been around we've raised money and so now all the venture capital guys they'll have a junior partner and the junior partner does the podcast he does the podcast for the vet for the vc so this is some, you know, minor limited partner douche who's interviewing Emmett Shear about AI. And he's like,

oh, he's agreeing with everything. Of course, because, you know, they put money, they got money into AI. Oh, yes, please give us money. We'll invest it for you in AI projects. This thing is coming apart at the seams. Listen to this.

This is probably my favorite techno douche of all time, Emmett Shear. Generally, I am very pro-technology, and I really believe the upsides usually outweigh the downsides. Everything technology can be misused. Regulating early is usually a mistake. I have a very specific concern about AI. We've built an intelligence. It's kind of amazing, actually. It may not be the smartest intelligence, but it is unintelligence. It can solve problems and make arbitrary plans. At some point, as it gets better, the kinds of problems it will be able to solve will include programming, chip design, material science, power production, all of the things you would need to design an artificial intelligence. At that point, you will be able to point the thing we've built back at itself.

And this will happen before you get to that point with humans in the loop. It already is happening with humans in the loop. But that loop will get tighter and tighter and tighter and faster and faster and faster until it can fully self-improve itself. At which point, it will get very fast, very quickly. Now, just so we understand what he's saying, he's saying we're going to build something that has some intelligence. It solves problems. We're going to point it at itself, and then it will start developing itself into sentient being. And that kind of intelligence is just an intrinsically very dangerous thing.

Dangerous! Because intelligence is power. Power! Human beings are the dominant form of life on this planet, pretty much entirely, because we're smarter than the other creatures. Now, I just laid out a chain of argument with a lot of if this, then this, if this, then this, if this. Okay. John, could you lay out a chain of argument with a lot of

if this, then this, then this, if this, then this, please? Human beings are the dominant form of life on this planet, pretty much entirely, because we're smarter than the other creatures. Listen to this. I just laid out a chain of argument with a lot of if this, then this, if this, then this, if this, then this. I know Eliza thinks that we're all doomed

for sure. I buy his doom argument. I buy the chain and the logic. Like my P-doom, my probability of doom. Okay. P-doom. I love P-doom. the chain and the logic like my p doom my probability of doom okay i buy the doom i love the chain of logic and the p doom he is okay uh so that chain of logic and my p doom is a little different than his pd sure um i buy his doom argument i buy the chain and the logic

like my p doom my probability of doom is like my bid the chain and the logic. My P doom, my probability of doom, is like my bid-ask spread, and that's pretty high because I have a lot of uncertainty. Oh, John, what's your bid-ask spread? What's your bid-ask spread? Oh, my God. Is this guy just nothing but cliches? I've never even heard this one.

I've never heard it used. It's a stock market. Yes, but he has a bid-ask spread never heard of it it's a stock market yes but he has a bid ask spread of probability of doom his p doom i buy his doom argument i buy the chain and the logic like my p doom my probability of doom is like my bid ask spread and that's pretty high because i have a lot of uncertainty but i would say it's like between like five and 50. 5 and 50? That's quite the spread, young man. So there's a wide spread.

Which I think Paul Cristiano... Oh, here's the VC douche piping in. 5 and 50. So there's a wide spread. Which I think Paul Cristiano... Maybe 2 and 50. Paul Cristiano who handled... Hold on a second. You can back it up. But why...

He says it's a large spread, but what does the five represent and what does the 50 represent? It's these guys that are just talking out of their butthole. It's unbelievable. So his bid... So there's 5% that... I don't know.

I really don't know. And then this other guy says, well, you know, that guy, his bid-ask spread is different. No wonder these Vcs lost their ass on ftx with sam bankman freed they let these people come in who either talk like this guy or talk like altman i'm i'm i'm complicated talker because you know i'm a jeep jeep thinker or like elon musk well you know um um ai could could uh it could it it could eat the world right if we don't have guardrails it's very important to do that these people are full of crap five and fifty so there's a wide spread. I think Paul Cristiano,

who handled a lot of the stuff within OpenAI, I think said 25 to 50. It seems like if you talk to most AI researchers, there's some preponderance of people that give some percentage. That should cause you to shit your pants. But it's human-level extinction.

I'm shitting my pants. No, it's not just human-level extinction. Extincting humans is bad enough. It's like potential destruction of all value in the light code. Not just for us, but for any species caught in the wake of the explosion. It's like a universe-destroying bomb. This is not a figure-it-out-later thing. This is like a big fucking problem. It's like someone invented a way to make 10x more powerful fusion bombs out of sand and bleach.

That anyone could do at home yeah um it's terrifying and i've had enough time with it now that i can laugh about it when i first realized it was fucking heart-stopping heart-stopping technology it's not just it used to be disruptive now it's heart-stopping because Because the P-Doom bid and ask spread is out of control. Oh, that's right, that's right. How much do we invest in you? It's so bad that Bobby the Op, RFK Jr., is all in on this stuff, too. Look, I know you. This is his own campaign video that he put on X.

Look, I know you know a lot about AI, right? And you know how dangerous. And he's talking to Lex Friedman. You know, another one of these guys, complicated talkers. I'm from MIT and I wear a black suit with a black tie for all my interviews. Now, you know I'm from Russia, right? So, AI, we have to have guardrails. Look, I know you know a lot about AI, right?

And you know how dangerous it is potentially to humanity and what opportunity is it also. But it could kill us all. I mean, Elon said first it's going to steal our job, then it's going to kill us. And it's probably not hyperbole. It's actually, you know, if it follows the laws of biological evolution, which are just the laws of mathematics, that's probably a potential endpoint. But we need to make sure it's regulated and it's regulated properly for safety in every country. And that includes Russia and China. We should be putting all the weapons of war aside and sitting down with those guys and say, how are we going to do this? There's much more important things to do. This stuff is going to kill us if we don't figure out how to regulate it. And leadership needs to look down the road at what is the real risk here. And the real risk is that AI will enslave us.

Yeah, you lost my vote, Bobby the Op. Boy, I'll say. There he goes. I will enslave. And I think, and I'm obviously not a programmer. I barely hacked together the first podcast script. I think, you know, programmers always talk about recursion. And that is what that Emmett Shearer was basically saying. It's like we turn the AI.

Yeah, with the thing looking at itself. But it's always degenerative. It's like when you hold a mirror up against the mirror at a certain point, it's just no good. It's infinity. It goes away. I think mathematically. You put the two mirrors up and you see way in the back, you can see it's barely

a mess. It grows hairs. Recursion freezes the system. It never It doesn't get better. No, it always gets worse. freezes the system. It never, in fact... It doesn't get better. No, it always gets worse. And he's saying, you know,

his bid-ask spread, his P-doom factor is based upon, I think, this mathematical fallacy that, oh, we'll turn it on itself. No, I just don't think so. Anyway, now the only people who are talking about what was really going on in this open ai company and i'm thinking i'm thinking sachin adela who is very he turned microsoft around he took it

from balmer's mess and turned it around into a powerhouse actually balmer's mess wasn't really much of a mess. It was a stable operation that had no, it had no pizzazz. I apologize. The stock price was stagnant. Yeah, it was stagnant. It was like a 60. Palmer was not, you know, ever since he left his marketing, marketing programmers, programmers, or whatever it was, jumping up and down days, ever since those days left the company

uh the excitability was he was basically just too calm and that's saying a lot about balmer so sachin adela who has been at microsoft for a quarter of a century probably he he you know he he did i mean you could see it coming he made microsoft exciting it's also i mean in my opinion windows is horrible it's never been as bad as it is now you know windows has become an app and it's talking to microsoft all that i just hate it too much too much yeah wait but the excitement is there and then azure when cloud, when cloud became a thing, he saw that. He needed something to ignite the cloud service. And this is his fuel that he throws out of the fire.

Yes, because he's telling all his customers, you better get in on this AI stuff now because... It chews up a lot of cycles. Yes, because it chews up cycles and we need you to pay for that if you've ever rented a server from amazon web services you know how expensive it can get very very quickly unless you really know what you're doing and i think he saw this altman character and went because i should have clipped it but carol swisher was even asking the devil well isn't altman the kind of guy who could become the CEO of Microsoft?

Nadella's looking at this like, are you insane, woman? Altman is a weirdo. He's a marketing guy, just like Elon Musk. I've always said Elon Musk hasn't invented anything new. He has that complicated Elizabeth Holmes talk, except Elizabeth Holmes really didn't have anyone to execute. Elon's got people who execute all over the place. Yeah, he knows how to hire.

And Altman, it's clear now to me, he wanted to move ahead. He said, we're going to do the App store because there's no other sex that's left there's no sexiness left in in in open ai other than you can create your own apps and and they have sdks and toolkits and all of it crunches up as your compute cycles this is the industry they're trying to bamboozle everybody with and the only people still looking at the nut jobs in open ai the um uh what is it effective altruist is the techno douches from france 24 and so now and it's rampant there because now the techno chick is going to explain it to us let me just ask you that julia what do you think has been happening? Well, Nadia, what's for sure is that the official reason of his early dismissal is still unclear. But in the backdrop of all of this, you have this battle between two different currents of thought on how to develop AI.

On one hand, you have what we call people who are in the effective altruism current. So what that means is that you're for the development of AI, but to answer, let's say, general interest questions for the greater good of the world. And they tend to be in favor of regulation. On the other, you have what we call effective accelerationism. So here the goal is really to advance technologically as quickly as possible and to deal with problems as they emerge. So there you have it. Altman was in a different cult. He was in effective accelerism. Have you ever heard of something so stupid? Effective accelerism. Okay.

In real time, and they tend to be against regulation. So, of course, this is simply put, but you can understand the dilemma of companies who, by wanting to be a little bit too ethical, they also risk to lose the market share. Now, what's been said about Sam Altman is that he could have been transitioning towards a more accelerationist vision, which could have divided OpenAI's board members. Now, you have to understand that most companies who work in the AI sector are actually in a frantic race to go towards what we call general artificial intelligence. So an artificial intelligence that would surpass us as humans in all tasks and all domains. Now, of course, Nadia, we're not there yet. We shouldn't even be talking about artificial intelligence. Most of the time we should refer to deep learning,

machine learning. So when algorithms are using data to train themselves, but there isn't any intelligence there per se. What? There's no intelligence? What? Oh, no, techno chick, do tell me more. So it's impressive, Julia, but we know that there are big challenges as well. Of course there are. It's very imperfect. There's what we call algorithmic bias. So this is when the AI is going to reflect the bias in the data that it uses to train itself and the bias of the data scientists. There's a problem. There's a lack of transparency,

which is huge, especially when we talk about deep neural networks. So these neural networks are trying to mimic the human brain in the way that it actually thinks. I love how these people, there's some actual thought in Silicon Valley. Yeah, we can do better than the brain. Yeah, we can do better than that. I mean, people only use a certain, although that's been debunked. But, you know, it's like, we can do better. We can do better than God in this.

There's no problem. We can create neural pathways. And here, it's very opaque. We don't know how the decision process is happening. So what's the decision tree, for instance? Of course, we're talking about the decision tree. We're back to skip logic, John. There it is.

The decision. What's the decision tree here? Who plants the seed for the decision tree? What's the decision tree, for instance? Of course, we're talking about data. So there's security and confidentiality issues, ethical issues. When we're talking about autonomous decision making by machines, there's, of course, ethical issues when we're talking about autonomous decision-making by machines. There's, of course, accountability issues if there are errors. Yeah, that goes to OpenAI. And we often talk about this, and I think it's very important, the impact, of course, on

unemployment. Because of this automation powered by AI, it's going to disrupt many jobs. And so these are all of the problems. But of course, there's the other side of the coin. It's going to disrupt many jobs. And so these are all of the problems. But of course, there's the other side of the coin. It's going to revolutionize so many sectors. Let's take just one example, the health sector. Now we're talking about early diagnosis thing to AI. We're talking about predictive health. We're talking about personalized treatment. That's going to reduce cost. It's going to reduce side effects for patients. And ultimately, it's going to reduce side effects for patients, and ultimately it's going to save lives. So I think before it actually replaces us completely, it's really going to start, you know, assisting us at least in the tasks that we have on a daily basis. No, it's not. This is the medical smart systems that were developed in the 80s.

Expert systems was the term back then in the 80s do tell that no no give us some history i love hearing oh yeah the expert did this is the first this is the last time we had this this flirtation with artificial intelligence was in the 80s with the fifth generation computing and all the rest of it they had all the stanford had a big lab and mitd lab and they were all working on all this stuff and one of the things they came up with was expert systems. And expert systems was exactly what they're talking about, what she's kind of talking about, and the medical was going to be transformed by expert systems,

and you put your symptoms into the computer, and the computer with its AI, it was AI at the time, which was an expert system, would come back with a diagnosis. And this was, what, 45 years ago? That actually has come back. It's interesting you bring that up because I heard on my hate list, and I obviously won't play it. This was a couple weeks back. back they had on a guy clearly you know uh was meant to be promoted on their show and he had developed kiosks yes kiosks where you walk into the kiosk and the ai goes what is your problem

and then you say well i got a scratchy throat says put on this sensor and then you strap a sensor on and then and then poop it'll say you need this and it'll pop out some of that pill for you to take this this is the same thing this i'm not going to use it so they got rid of the free pills they got rid of uh they got rid of the helen toner, who was Australian, not British. Thank you for correcting me, everybody. They got rid of all those kooks and then put Sam back in. And he's, you're right, he's the shim. So you sit there, you sit pretty.

And then if you get sued out of existence. If all hell breaks loose, you're on your own. Then maybe I'll bring you back. Don't worry about it, because we'll take you in. Yeah, we have the IP. loose you're on your own yeah and then maybe i'll bring you worry about it because we'll go back it will take you in yeah we have you're beating up and we have the ip we have the compute and we have the ip but i microsoft is a dynamite getting ip and then doing nothing with it they had uh they stole all the ip of the uh let's just say ip is intellectual property for people who don't know they took you remember that era, it was another little fad that took place. It just started

kind of came and went just before we began our show 16 years ago with these machine translation systems. And there was a bunch of them. Some of them were pretty good. And something Learnout and Housebee and there's a whole bunch of them.

Somehow Microsoft and they worked well. You mean we talk and then it would something learn out and how speed and there's a whole bunch of them you mean somehow microsoft and there were and they worked well you mean when you talk and then it would it would translate your speech to text yeah yeah and it worked pretty well and in fact it worked better than it should have especially how's being learner to whatever that one system was and microsoft's always invested a little bit here and there and they ended up as part of the investment but when the companies all all went under they all went under microsoft ended up with all the ip that was part of the deal it's like well if you go broke we're going to give you money but if you go broke it says right here in the contract we now have the

ip this is like uh that's microsoft that's how mic We now have the IP. This is like a... That's Microsoft. That's how Microsoft rolls. Microsoft. But the thing is, they ended up collecting all this IP. And I remember writing about this. Microsoft, I was told by one of the ex-guys from one of these companies, said, oh, Microsoft's going to kick ass in this field because they own all the IP of all the companies that did any of this work. And they're going to be the company that does a lot.

No, never have. They just, the IP is still there. They're nobody, they sit on it and they don't do crap with it. It's like, I don't know what it is about them,

but they suck up IP and then they let it languish. It's weird. Well, they do whatever they want. So anyway, I don't they want. Yeah, well, I know where they're... I don't know how you feel about it, but I think this thing is falling apart. I don't think it's falling apart yet. You're always a little ahead of this with your prediction.

I think it's got a year to go or maybe more. Okay, but not much. But I'm going to give you some kudos. I'm not going to give you any kudos for the following clip, but I think it would be a nice break in clippage to play this. Okay. And it's not necessarily kudos, but it's like an eye roller as far as I'm concerned. Can you just say, Adam, you're great?

You don't have to play a clip. You can just say, good job, Adam, whatever it is. Well, I'm not going to say it yet. So I'm watching the Valuetainment guys, PBD. Oh, yes, the Valuetainment guys. And for some unknown reason, I don't know why, the beginning never explained it, but Roger Stone was sitting there. Oh, I can already feel where this is going. So they're talking about everything.

They're talking about the Sam Bankman, not Sam Bankman, but I did the same thing. Sam Altman, get those two confused. Sam Altman and how he got, you know, the analysis was here and there. Before you intro this clip, just to accentuate what we're talking about, Sam Altman, he ran Y Combinator. And that was one of the, really one of the 2000s, one of the big things was an incubator.

It's a technology incubator. And it works like this. It was a good one, too. Yeah. Oh, totally. I think, didn't Zoom come out of that and Slack and all that? A lot of stuff came out of it, and he made a lot of money. Yeah.

But what you do is you say, okay, you two couple of guys you're good come in here give us 50 of your company uh and and we'll give you a desk enjoy and then when something pops out then you know you hook those guys up with your red point uh vc guys and you're an angel investor and you make out like a bandit and if you're lucky like one or two of these will sell and you make a lot of money and all the rest those kids are just you know they're the ones that got wiped wiped off of the sidewalks of san francisco when g came to town but he but it doesn't mean that he's some AI genie. Anyway.

No. All right. Anyway, so this was about politics, and they go on and on about what's going to happen and they were talking about Trump's numbers going up like the clip we just played. And it goes on and on. And so they ask him for a rundown of what's going on with what are they going to do about Biden and the rest. And I thought this was quite interesting. And I think you'd enjoy it. Roger, who's going to make that decision to say, President Biden, thank you for your service.

Please step aside. How does the inner workings, the inner plumbing of the DNC actually work? Who's making that decision? The most influential Democrat in the country today is Barack Obama. There is no question about that. And these affiliated news outlets respond very much to him. And the way their convention is set up is very different than the Republican convention. So you can dump a nominee because of the superdelegates far more easily. So the fact that the filing deadlines have already passed in the Democratic primary and caucus schedule for New Hampshire. New Hampshire and Iowa have been neutered.

They've taken away their delegates to make South Carolina the first contest, a state with an absolute majority of African-American voters in their primary. The Chicago, the convention is where? Chicago, the Obama's hometown. I have predicted for some time that Michelle Obama is the most likely Democratic nominee. For the simple reason. More than Newsom? Here's why, quite simply. You have an African, pardon me, you have a woman of color who's the vice president.

She's next in line. How do you rationalize passing her by? If Joe doesn't run, how can you get away with passing her by? You've got to pull the race card. You have to do it. Identity politics. So you replace a woman of color with a far more popular woman of color. So you're going to have two women running the country?

I'm out. No, not necessarily. Sorry. Stupid. You're going to have two women running the country? I'm out. No, not necessarily. But I don't think that they can. I mean, you can't just bypass Kamala Harris, despite the fact that she doesn't have dementia, but she makes less sense than you. Yeah. Well, he's been on this tip for a while.

So I just thought I'd give you a little. Yeah. Yeah. A little boost. Big Mike 2024, everybody. so yeah i just thought i'd give you a little yeah yeah boost big mike 2024 everybody the american public would really recoil against this you really think so oh yeah well maybe i don't know you know what it would be good for the show it would be good for the show great for the show good for the show. Great for the show, that's for sure. I have nothing but rando clips.

What can we do with a little pharma then before we get into some randos? We want to do randos first. I'd like to start the pharma off with the Moderna CEO at a WEF meeting. This has got to be old. Yeah, I don't know. It's just a question and answer. The date is unknown, but it's not more than a year old. But it's where he, the clip is called CEO of Moderna predicting the pandemic.

I'm going to go with Stefan Banzo. Let's talk about vaccine development, because we've heard how it happened, obviously, with COVID-19 starting from 2022 and how extraordinary the process was also in terms of the speed. How is development, adoption and scaling of vaccine going on when it comes to different variants and sub variants? Because this is one of the big concerns as we as we're all here now and we're discussing, we understand the context and this is a great deal. Sure. Good morning and thank you for having me on the panel. So the great news versus 2020, where we are today, is we have manufacturing capacity. As Seth knows, when the pandemic happened, Moderna had made 100,000 doors in 2019 for the whole year. And I remember walking after that into the office of my head of manufacturing

and I said, how do we make a billion dollars next year? And they look at me a bit funny, say, what? I say, yeah, we need to make a billion dollars next year, there's going to be a pandemic. Okay, so this was taken, this was cut off. I didn't get the whole clip, I couldn't find it, but it's funny. I think I have it somewhere

the whole one where he goes on because i like know what he says afterwards uh modern if it's by the way while you're looking for that i do have the new pandemic or one a possible one oh yes have you heard about this yes i i have a i couldn't get get an american clip you have an american clip i have the ntd clip, we'll do the NTD clip, and then we'll do the WION clip. They are the only ones that seem to be on this. Let's see. What do you have it called here? Nu Nu.

Nu Nu. Ah, yes. Nu Nu. A wave of mystery pneumonia is breaking out in China, affecting mostly children and overwhelming Chinese hospitals. Bomb them. out in China, affecting mostly children and overwhelming Chinese hospitals. Doctors there tell us the disease can be traced back to some combined pathogens like COVID-19, the flu and mycoplasma pneumonia. Parents say the symptoms are usually severe. This time, the child had a high fever repeatedly, which never went down. This is too scary. A former Chinese reporter posted a conversation in a group chat

indicating that a child died on a new pneumonia. The wave hit the area around Beijing, but also Dalian, a city almost 500 miles from Beijing. Hospitals are overwhelmed with sick children. Hospital staff from Tianjin city told us some children have to wait days to be treated. Parents start scrambling several days in advance to get the numbers. We only have so many doctors and we can only handle so many people every day.

So we give out a certain amount of numbers every day. You can book in advance, but you have to be able to grab one first because a huge number of children are getting sick. This wave started a month ago and it's getting worse recently. Parents told us some schools suspended classes as both teachers and students are sick. They said the authorities are trying to block information from circulating online. Oh, this is very good. Oh, excellent. Well, WION was a little more explicit about it, trying to relate it to the the OG pandemic. An undetermined pneumonia outbreak in China is hitting children hard.

Children's hospitals are overwhelmed in multiple locations. Reports of a spike in pneumonia cases in China are similar to early reports of a mystery pneumonia outbreak in 2019 in Wuhan. Which heralded the emergence of COVID-19. Now, the reports reference swamped pediatric hospitals in multiple locations, including Beijing and Liaoning, which is around 800 kilometers away. Reports also say the pneumonia outbreaks have led to school cancellations and some illnesses in teachers. So a couple of things here.

Wait, wait, why are they ping pongonging the report that's how they roll that's how they do it i don't know it sounds stupid one says one sentence the other one says another sentence and it goes back and forth and back and forth this is why we're doing a podcast we're not running wion so what we need to see now people be aware we need to see children uh dying on tiktok that would be one i mean originally we saw people falling down on tiktok in the middle of the street you remember those videos oh those are the good old days so we need something like that then we need to spread it being sprayed with some powder remember that one yes and then we need um a landing zone in the west where you know well some babies got on a flight and they flew over there and infected the other babies seattle seattle seattle would be good

and um and then we'll take it from there you know we already have all the drills we know how to do it we know how to talk to people we know how to talk to people. We know how to communicate with Johns Hopkins. When they start getting on this train, then we should be worried. And at the same time, Mandy Cohen. You heard it here first, by the way. Yes. Yes. We're all over this. We're ready for it. Dr. Mandy Cohen, who is the new director of the CDC. Man, she is she new director of the CDC. And she is also a marketing person. She's like

the Sam Altman of Big Pharma. And she's going out there and she's getting everybody ready and getting everybody worried and everyone confused and be a little anxious because, you know, you don't want to kill grandma. Remember, it's Thanksgiving, everybody. Let's have a happy, cheery report.

As millions get ready to gather for the holiday, health officials are urging people to take some extra precautions. That's because the CDC estimates there have already been up to 1.6 million flu cases. RSV infections are also on the rise, especially impacting kids under the age of four. And COVID-19 is still a concern for a lot of families, but only about 15% of adults have received that updated shot. So let's break it down and see what it all means, how we can protect ourselves and our loved ones. This is the CDC's new director, Dr. Mandy Cohen. Dr. Cohen, so happy that you're here with us today.

You know, the news stations are so happy they don't have to deal with Fauci anymore. They got Dr. Mandy. She's up. She's exciting. She's young. They're happy to have her on the show. As we said, tons of people are on the road. People are going to be gathering. Not many people have gotten the flu shot or the COVID shot. How concerned are you about these? Well, look, we love to gather

during the holidays. It's wonderful to be here with both of you. So fun. It's wonderful to be here with both of you. So fun. Hold on a second. Specifically what makes it fun? You've done hits?

She's there with him. She's in studio. Oh, she's in the studio. It's so fun. So fun getting up at the crack of dawn, getting in your limo, then getting into makeup, and then waiting around and drinking crappy coffee. It's so fun. All the gatherings.

Well, look, we love to gather during the holidays. And first, it's wonderful to be here with both of you. So fun. But as we get into the holidays, we need to protect each other. And yes, too few people have gotten the vaccine. Hold on a second. We need to protect each other. Is she repeating the completely

debunked lie that being vaccinated somehow stops the spread? We have to protect each other? So I have to get vaccinated for you? I thought we were past this.

You have to get vaccinated for me and you have to be masked up, double masked, in 95s, two of them, and six feet away. So, okay, so we're just back to that old script, and it's just so fun to be here, and we're not questioning that. NBC Today Show. It's so fun to be here with both of you. So fun. But as we get into the holidays, we need to protect each other. And, yes, too few people have gotten the vaccine so far. And I know folks are over COVID, and they want to leave it in the rearview mirror,

but it's here with us. So the three reasons to get vaccinated, one, the virus has changed. So you want the most updated protection you can get. Second, if you had COVID before or you've been vaccinated, that protection has decreased over time. So you want the boosted up protection. And third, people are still getting long COVID, right? The long symptoms from that virus, even if you get a mild case. So all three reasons. We don't want to be sick, but we certainly don't want to be sick for a long time. So getting vaccinated is still really the most important way you can protect yourself and your family. Oh, well, thanks, Dr. Mandy. Oh, but wait, there's more. I mean, wasn't there a shortage of all these wonderful, this trivalent?

It was hard to get the COVID vaccine in the early going, this more updated one. Do you feel like all those wrinkles have been kind of ironed out and it's pretty accessible now? Yeah, so moving out of the emergency, the federal government wasn't purchasing and distributing. The private sector was doing it. They did have some hiccups right at the beginning, but that's all really been ironed out. Plenty of supply of vaccine for COVID and flu get your appointment now it's never too late to get vaccinated i know folks are saying ah it's already in the middle season no it's actually just starting right now so plenty of time to get vaccinated plenty of time to get vaccinated wait if it's starting right now there there's not plenty of time. How does that make any sense?

Because she's doing a sales job here. She's got her brown shoes on and she's selling. By the way, karma for Sir Mark Hall. He finally got COVID. He had not gotten COVID. He got COVID. He texted me. He said, happy Thanksgiving.

I have COVID. And you know what the doctor pushed on him right away? Remdesivir. Don't take that. He said, no. He said, I'm not. And you know what the doctor pushed on him right away? Remdesivir. I said, no. I said, I'm not a doctor, but no. No, no, no, no. Not at all. Let's go back to Dr. Mandy. The number of people who have the flu seems pretty high. Do you think

this is all because we had been isolated for so much? No, it's because your immune system is shot. I feel like people have had these long coughs for months that's been going on and on oh that's it that's huge yeah you had a cough going on for quite a long time yeah you should i had a cough that went on for a month yeah you should mask up i don't want it coming through the wires there are a lot of bugs that are circulating it's never too late to get vaccinated viruses and bacteria but we have ways to protect ourselves vaccine is one but also if

you get sick over this holiday season make sure you're getting tested because testing allows you to know what you have it doesn't it doesn't even work it doesn't even work i have boxes of tests we have treatment for flu and for covid and that treatment could save your life you can get what's the treatment what do you need the vaccine for? Yeah, I don't know. She's screwing up. Yeah, this is no good. Treatment for flu and for COVID.

And that treatment could save your life. You can get four free tests, COVID tests, at COVIDtests.gov right now. We actually just yesterday said you can get four free new ones. So get your test. Nice. Take them with you if you travel so you know if you're getting sick. So you know if you're getting sick. This is all so dystopian. It's such bullcrap.

You know you're getting sick. Just keep taking the test over and over. That's exactly right. Dr. Cohen, you're the new sheriff in town, the new head of the CDC, and I don't have to tell you. The new sheriff in town. She's the new sheriff in town.

She's not a Dr. Jim. You's just a bureaucrat she's a sheriff cdc become the spokesperson for all this stuff i remember 10 years ago they never showed it it's only recent yeah you never heard from the cdc unless it was something you know some crazy outbreak of salmonella yeah well let's go back to the new sheriff in town dr co, you're the new sheriff in town, the new head of the CDC, and I don't have to tell you there have been... Is she... Oh, she's laughing in the background. Yes, I am.

Dr. Cohen, you're the new sheriff in town, the new head of the CDC, and I don't have to tell you there have been some questions about trust in the agency in the wake of the pandemic. Just a few. Surveys will show you that the CDC is held in not low regard, but the trust is not there as it used to be. What are you doing to turn it around?

Yeah. So I'm about six months into the job. We're focused on transparency, where I think that's important to build trust, communicating faster, more simply, making sure we're focused on giving folks simple ways to protect themselves, certainly building relationships. And I personally have been traveling all around the country so that folks can hear from me directly. So I'm not just a CDC director. I'm a mom. I'm not just the president of the hair club for men. I'm a client. So that folks can hear from me directly. So I'm not just a CDC director. I'm a mom. I have two daughters who are nine and 11, and I want them to know what I did for my own daughters. And I got both of them the updated COVID vaccine and the flu shot because I

wanted them to be protected. Why didn't you give them the RSV shot? Same with myself. I got myself vaccinated. My parents, I wouldn't recommend something for the American people I wouldn't do for my own family. And I want them to hear from me directly. So I've been all over the country sharing that message. Well, Dr. Cohn, we wish you the best of luck. Thank you for coming to see us. Thank you so much. Thanks for having me. Right.

Well, so, you know, honestly, that's all. Unless this new Chinese thing gets some legs, which I don't know. I mean, I don't know if that's going to work or not. I think it would have been picked up by someone by now. It's been a month in the making. Yeah. Well, it took a while for COVID to, you know, to really be first.

It was a slow burn. We had the TikTok video. We need the TikTok videos. We need dead babies on TikTok. COVID, I think, began in earnest when the cases appeared in Seattle. No, when it was in Italy. That's when it started. No, no.

It was the Seattle cases. That's when we got involved. Oh, we here, yes, we here. Yes, true, true. We here got all jacked up, and I still have the clips where they go, well, you know, we'll have to wait and see. It's bad, bad for these old people. Let's just finish this out with some ABC.

ABC, let's see. They got a little buy on ABC. Not a big buy, but they did, you know, do. And someone emailed us asking about this. He didn't really understand about the native ad. And we had to explain that when the pharmaceutical companies or any company, McDonald's is even a better example. McDonald's has, you know, they're bringing back the McNugget or the McRib sandwich. And then so they say, OK, we're going to buy five million dollars worth of advertising.

We're going to have spots running on ABC. But then, you know, to kick it off, we want to have the morning crew now eating our McRib sandwich. Yeah. And by the way, there should be noted that we always time these out and they always run almost exactly two minutes they're just like it's like a definite buy you can then you see the spot if it goes any longer you people are giving each other the evil eye so let's see uh uh let's talk well let's see if ABC good Good Morning America, if they have anything. And with that, Ginger, flu and respiratory illness season getting underway. The CDC issuing its first report of the season on where activity is already high. Stephanie Ramos is here with more.

Good morning, Stephanie. Robin, good morning. We are in the thick of the flu season. New data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention indicates that several states are grappling with elevated flu activity. The CDC's latest report reveals concerning spikes in influenza cases across seven states, including Louisiana, Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Mississippi, New Mexico, and South Carolina. Additionally, D.C. and Puerto Rico are experiencing elevated flu levels. Some good news, though. Despite increased flu and COVID-19 cases, hospitalizations have been lower compared to last year. However, health officials caution against complacency.

The CDC estimates there have been more than 780,000 flu illnesses and nearly 500 deaths from October of last year up until last week. While flu hospitalizations have remained lower than this time last year, emergency rooms brace for what could be a challenging season with simultaneous surges in RSV, flu, and COVID. Now, as the holiday season approaches, Thanksgiving is just this week, health officials warn about the potential for super spreader events and urge caution during gatherings. Lindsay. Encouraging people to mask up once again.

Stephanie, our thanks to you. Mask up. No one said that. The CDC didn't say it. She just said encouraging people to mask up. So I don't know what that was about, but Paxlovid got some advertising in here. All right, Dr. Darian,

you are taking a look at COVID cases. They are ticking up around the country. Ticking up? It's an uptick? People are revisiting questions around Paxlovid. Tell us about that. Who's benefiting from it? So I think it's really important to talk about this when I'm diagnosing patients and they have a higher risk. I usually talk to them about Paxlovid and its helpful effectiveness in preventing COVID-19 complications. So here are some four things I think you should know. Oh, oh, so he's not the vaccine guy. He's the Paxlovid guy, not Paxlovid, the Paxlovid guy. So here's four things I think you should know. Number one, who are they for? Paxlovid is indicated for anyone over the age of 50

and or those who have lung and heart disease or a compromised immune system. We've known previously in clinical trials that Paxlovid has reduced the risk of hospitalization by as much as 90 percent. Now, you might see newer studies that show a decreased effectiveness. That doesn't mean that the medication is decreasing in the effectiveness. I love that. What does it mean? We're comparing it to, though, the comparable group, those who have been vaccinated, those who have had COVID-19 infections. That's why we see that number change. Did you understand what he just said?

Yeah, he didn't say anything. No, you may read stuff about, okay, go out there and debunk this. Whatever you read is wrong. Listen to me. Studies that show a decreased effectiveness. That doesn't mean that the medication is decreasing in the effectiveness. Who we're comparing it to, though, the comparable group, those who have been vaccinated, those who have had COVID-19 infections. That's why we see that number change. Thirdly, what it looks like. It is a combination of two medications, three pills you

take twice a day. And then lastly, the possible side effects that we should all pay attention to. It can include an altered sense of taste, nausea, diarrhea, and sometimes muscle aches. That's the same thing as COVID. You're taking COVID. Exactly the same age. Basically COVID in a pill. Of course, we always talk about the risk of Paxlovid rebound, which is a small but important to note population where it occurs.

Absolutely. Well, the antiviral medication is certainly helping many. Absolutely. Good job. Here's your check. Get out of here, Doc. The check Absolutely. Good job. Here's your check. Get out of here, Doc. But that, of course, is not... The check goes the other way. Yeah, well, this is not...

No, he also gets a payoff, too. This, of course, is not the big pharma ad for this season. No. This season is all about Thanksgiving. Do you say Thanksgiving or Thanksgiving? I hear people say Thanksgiving instead of Thanksgiving. I say Thanksgiving. But is it Thanksgiving?

Yeah. Or Thanksgiving? It's Thanksgiving. Okay. Anyway, back to the season. Of course, we have something fantastic on the market right now. We're so happy to have this because people usually struggle around this season when there's a lot of food around. And luckily, we've got some weight loss drugs for you.

Which one shall we sell on NBC? We gather tonight with friends and family getting ready for the Thanksgiving holiday. Some are changing the way many people think about their Thanksgiving feast. The growing popularity of weight loss drugs. Stephanie Gosk on a holiday meal game changer. It's a game changer. Step aside stuffing and pumpkin pie. For many Americans, the focus this Thanksgiving may be less on the food.

The use of revolutionary weight loss and diabetes medications is skyrocketing. For some people that this holiday is about piling up a lot of food on your plate. Is that something that you would do anymore? No, absolutely not. Jackie Barrow lost 75 pounds in the last year taking the diabetes drug Monjaro you're just not eating the same amounts that you used to look it all looks so good but you just don't have anywhere to put it in the end of the day how can you resist that pumpkin pie jackie you can't resist i don't but you know just a little bit the conservative estimate is that at least three million people are taking diabetes drugs ozempic and manjaro or the obesity drug w at least 3 million people are taking diabetes drugs

Ozempic and Manjaro or the obesity drug Wagovi. You think people are going to buy less turkeys? I doubt that's going to happen this Thanksgiving. But while the bottom line for food companies hasn't changed, the industry is definitely paying attention. In October, Walmart's CEO told Bloomberg that shoppers who were picking up prescriptions to weight loss medications were buying less food. How do you think food companies will start adapting?

The easy options are things like portion control. If people are saying I get full faster, then maybe I want to pivot to something that's smaller portion sizes. Which is what grandmother Jackie Barrow says she will prefer tomorrow while she enjoys some of her newfound energy. I'll be running around with the kids. I am thankful I am going to be able to do this and enjoy it more this time. With a little less food and

lots more family. This is a new little thing in there. Did you catch it? It increases your energy. So you can run around with the kids, granny. Yeah. I did get boots on the ground. Very well done.

Boots on the ground from a family physician in the Netherlands. I just got out of a Pfizer lunch. There you go. It's flying to wall time. Yes, about the winter respiratory infections. It seems like they are lining up medical professionals for more awareness on respiratory

syndrome, i.e. trying to scare them. I have to disagree with JCD. RSV has been a very common respiratory infection in children up to one year, has no specific treatment, but is a common reason for hospitalization, for support or oxygen where they present with an asthma attack. However, my thing, you can't disagree with me

because I never said anything except the following. I've never heard of this disease until three years ago. Yes, that's correct. You have not ever heard of it. That's correct. Lots of other people have. Yes, what's to disagree? I am not lying. No, you're not lying. In fact, it is a classic JCD move. There's no

evidence. There's no evidence that I've ever heard of this. There's no evidence you ever heard of this up until three years ago. Correct. Both Pfizer and GlaxoSmithKline have an RSV vaccine in the pipelines about 70 pregnant mothers need to take the vaccine to prevent one hospitalization of their children this is the data he got from the lunch the GSK trial has problems with higher rates of preterm birth and even death. Sounds like a winner. Wait, who is giving on the seminar again?

What was the name of the company? Pfizer. Pfizer, of course. So why are they going to start plugging the other guy's products? I don't think so. No, he's not plugging the guy. No, no, the Pfizer, they're going to present something. They're not going to present good news about GSK.

No, exactly. GlaxoSmithKline. No, their vaccine is killing people. It's probably a minor problem in adults compared to flu, COVID and nicole pneumonia. RSV was

found in 5.7% of about 20,000 elderly in a Dutch study, median age 75. None were ever hospitalized. There you go. So this, giving it to old people is the new thing, which is, of course, you know, is to rip off Medicare and government.

Totally. Government money. That's what it's about. Government money. Just tell everybody old people. I'm old enough i've been collecting uh medicare medicare um for years and you see it when you go it's just for a checkup or anything they are trying to come up with anything they can do to charge more to the government

and i see right i'm looking at what i don't i don't want this this i don't want that shot i don't want this i don't want that and they always back off oh yeah well you don't really need it uh but they really want you to sign up for everything so they can gouge the government yeah this is really the problem with medicare of course it is it's horrible why is it going broke because they're gouging the government yeah um i just i have two more clips before i can take a break and then we can certainly do some randos um and we had a dinner the other night i'm looking at this copper price did you see that this this copper company collapsed this chinese copper company micah metals yeah i mean the copper is there's no way that there's something is wrong we have all these manufacturers saying we're going to make

electric vehicles but there's no demand for copper and the copper mines are closing i don't understand it it makes no sense and then we had a dinner and there's a guy who works at mercedes benz and he says it's horrible he says it is it's it's horrible what's happening because he's like a he's like a internal combustion engine guy he says this is no good this is they i guess they're the EQ. I don't know what. They're sub EV Mercedes cells. And the battery, just the battery, guess how much it costs? $40,000.

$46,000. He says, you have an accident. Immediately, that thing has to be replaced. He says, no, the insurance companies are not going to insure these cars. No, they'll total everything out. They're not going to insure these cars. And so the insurance for those cars is going to go way up. And so I said, so what is Formula One, McLaren?

Are they going to do all battery cars? He says, no, it's worse. He says the AMG. Now, AMG is like the high-end Mercedes. It's the aftermarket company for jacking up Mercedes cars. Right, but they sell them as new. Yeah, no, they're new cars. Yeah.

But they're jacked up. They got better horsepower. They look better. Everything about them is cool. Right. So they're now... So I said, what's going to happen with the AMGs? He said, they're going to put batteries in them and then like a four-cylinder engine.

So they're still going to sell this AMG as a high-horsepower car, but it's all coming from batteries. And the engine is just going to be a little four-cylinder piece of crap. Yeah, like 1,800cc or something. Yeah, some motorcycle engine. I mean, are people going to buy this? I can't believe people are going to buy this. Well, from AMG, they'll buy anything from AMG. I mean, the Prius, people don't realize, but a Prius, which is the real winner of a hybrid,

it doesn't even have a normal combustion engine in the front to make it a hybrid. It's some three-cylinder weird engine. Yeah. It's not even a normal engine. It's a Wankel engine. And when it starts up, the whole car shakes like a son of a bitch. It's a Wankel motor, I tell you. No, now Toyota has announced a car that runs on ammonia.

Yeah. This doesn't sound right. I'm not going to get in an ammonia car forget it it's not me flying bombs i don't know what they're thinking stupid anyway it will be necessary because well maybe not we're basically dead i mean we've missed it we've blown it we're supposed to keep the temperature down 1.5 degrees. It's 41 here in the Hill Country. But okay, that's not the lead story, CNN. In our Earth Matters series, a moment scientists have been warning about for decades. For the first time, the global average temperature on Friday was more than 2 degrees Celsius hotter than levels before industrialization. Now that's a crucial threshold that could have irreversible impacts on the planet.

Let's go to CNN's chief climate correspondent, Bill Weir. So, Bill, walk us through the significance of this and what the impacts could be. Well, Bianna, of course, the Paris Accord was hoping to hold things at 1.5 degrees Celsius with a limit of two. One third of the days this year were above 1.5 degrees. That's how hot the last 12 months have been. And yes, humanity reached that red letter 2 degrees Celsius point. This is really the troubling point. Science has always pointed to as a point where we start to see these tipping points.

Where methane is released in the Arctic, perhaps. Or ice shelves on the Antarctic might break off and things could happen suddenly. That, of course, might happen after decades of... Wow, that's totally climate of fear, where they blew up a part of the Arctic shelf and then a piece of ice broke off and that was the worst thing that could ever happen. He doesn't exactly explain what happens, but when that ice shelf breaks,'re all dead in the arctic perhaps

or ice shelves on the antarctic might break off and things could happen suddenly that of course might happen after decades above two degrees not just a short period but if you look at that chart from copernicus this is the un's or the europe's space and climate agency you see the red line where we are red line off the charts compared to all the decades that come before. The spaghetti at the bottom are 10-year periods going back to the 40s. Off the charts. Warmest in 125,000 years. And on top of this, we just got a new projection from the U.N.

that just looked at the plans for fossil fuel extraction. Already what's underway, what's in the pipeline, they say will warm us up to double right now. 1,000 degrees. 2.9 degrees as well. 2.9. That despite all the pledges to decarbonize, that emissions hit a record in 2022, over 57 gigatons of carbon put up into the sea and sky. It needs to come down at a rate of 29% by the end of this decade, by 2030.

down at a rate of 29 percent by the end of this decade by 2030 bianna we're on track now to just with all the pledges met be less than 10 percent decreased oh no we're dead man i can't believe you're alive are you hello are you are you even with me i mean we should be dead by this it's just horrible i don't know now i like the weather it's warm over there. It's nice. We could use a little warmer. I could take two degrees Celsius. So now this is a gem. So sometime in 2024, if all goes according to the evil plans of the elites, we will have this WHO, World Health Organization, treaty signed and ratified by all member states. And this includes the United States as our country has a treaty.

The treaty is already in place. This is an upgrade to the treaty, which I believe does not even have to be ratified by our Congress. I think it gets grandfathered in. It's something like that. And, and what, and a lot, and,

you know, and this is being warned about in European parliament. I haven't really seen it in Congress, but there's, you know, there's a lot of people saying, Hey, they're going to have a lot of power,

you know, much, I'm sorry. Too much power, too much power. Now, no one's really taken this seriously because you get that what's the douchebag's name from nigeria uh des or des does man what's his name the the i don't know the head of the who the guy we kept we can't yeah that guy that's his name

i'll just call him that guy i can't understand him him half the time. That guy. I'm annoyed. No, not Desmond Tutu. Troll room trying to be helpful. No, Tedros, Tedros. There we go. Tedros. Tedros. So he's hard to take serious.

But there is a person at the WHO who kind of scares me. Who is our envoy? Who is the United States' douche du chef when it comes to climate change? I don't know. John Kerry.

Oh, that guy. Right. Well, guess where his daughter is. Our guest today is Vanessa Carey. In June, she became the first ever climate change and health special envoy for the World Health. Is she like a climatologist or is she a famous scientist and has done a lot of research? There's a lot of papers and she knows all about climate. Is that why she got this position? Well, I don't know but the unfortunate things is that she has her dad's face so oh my god our guest today is vanessa kerry in june she became the first ever climate change and health

special envoy for the world health organizations such, she will be front and center at the upcoming COP28 in Dubai. So will be her father, John Kerry, who is the special climate envoy of the Biden administration. She is, in fact, a doctor. She is a doctor. And there's a picture on her Wikipedia.

She's wearing a lab coat with a stethoscope around her neck. She actually, there's one picture of her Wikipedia, she's wearing a lab coat with a stethoscope around her neck. She actually, there's one picture of her here. Straight on, she looks, you know, kind of okay, but there's any semi-profile, she looks like a transgender male. Dr. Vanessa Carey joins us from Boston. Thank you very much. So obviously when people think about climate change, they don't necessarily think about health. You were appointed the first to be appointed in that position. What does it tell us about the importance of health in the climate change issue? Well, I think we've learned with

great, great understanding in the most recent years that the climate crisis is a health crisis. And already climate, you're through it, but you're missing what she's years that the climate crisis is a health crisis and already climate you're through it but you're missing what she's saying say climate crisis is a health crisis health crisis in the most recent years that the climate crisis is a health crisis and already we see seven million people a year dying from air pollution for example that's more than we saw in the entire COVID pandemic over three years. And that's one person every five seconds. So that by the time I complete my next sentence, someone else will have died.

Stop talking. Stop talking. Stop talking. Stop talking. You're killing people. And we see this in every aspect of health, the way climate change is impacting our lived experience. And so there's a very real...

Oh, our lived experience. Oh, goodness. This, she's a cliche. Every aspect of health, the way climate change is impacting our lived experience. And so there's a very real opportunity for us to have a health-centered approach

to climate change and to be able to ensure that we're protecting how we live, how we breathe, how we live how we breathe how we walk and and what we can do in our lives and so the appointment i think is truly just an opportunity to uh continue to really flag the urgency of what we face save the climate wear a mask this this is we're gonna this is how you get climate lockdowns. It's bad for your health right now

because you're driving an internal combustion engine. You need to stay home. These people, and this is, what kind of nepotism is this? Have John Kerry's daughter at the WHO and now she's a special envoy. Oh yes, I'll be communicating with Tedros.

Good old Teddy and I, we had a meeting. I think you should lock yourself down. She's the co-founder or the founder of the non-profit Seed Global Health. And that seems to be her and uh and she still does that seems to be her main thing formerly known as the global health services core i found it in 2011 peace core for doctors and nurses uh i have one last boots on the ground i just wanted to read and we have noticed uh certainly

with uh with the multiple wars that we are funding that the reports often have a lot of gunfire and missile launches and rockets and bombs and i have a new one for today's show well if you if you play it then i'll i will hold my boots on the ground until after we've played that because this is... Well, it's actually on the ISO list. Okay. And it's the ISO rat-a-tat. It's just nice.

Long-time listeners started... Long-time listeners started listening during COVID. Well, not that long. Boots on the ground report when it comes to the explosions you guys always make fun of when listening to a news package. They're called Nat Pops, i.e. natural sounds, N-A-T-P-O-P-S. Nat Pops are natural sounds, i.e. guns firing, explosions, jets zooming by, that are indeed used to break up reporter track in a news package. It's a strategy we use to bring the viewer into the story. In real life, our world is full of nat pops.

It's supposed to draw the viewer in. At least that's the theory. It's a lot less boring than just hearing a reporter track a voice all throughout the package. Anybody who works editing video in news knows this strategy, and the bosses are always making sure we use these not pops in our storytelling. Video editors who don't use this strategy are usually the suckier ones. Also, in my humble opinion, and everybody else who edits video, not pops separate bad or okay stories from great stories. For anyone wondering, I'm a photojournalist for a news company in Phoenix.

Shoot, edit, and even write stories. I work in tandem with reporters and news producers daily. There you go. He's in the business. He's in the biz. But we never had a name for it. Nat Pops. No, we never did.

Well, we never worked in that field, but reporting war stories. Nat Pops. Nat Pops. Yeah, Nat never did. Well, we never worked in that field, but reporting war stories, Nat Pops. Nat Pops, yeah, Nat Pops. I like it. Good to know. Okay, now we know. And with that, I'd like to thank you for your courage, saying in the morning to you, the man who put the sea in the chain of argument. Ladies and gentlemen, say hello to my friend on the other end, the one and only Mr. John C. DeMora.

Well, in the morning to you, Mr. Adam Curry. Also in the morning, all ships at sea. Boots on the ground, feet in the air. Subs in the water. And all the dames and knights out there. And in the morning to the trolls. Now, we don't expect a lot of trolls, but let's see. Let me count you.

Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, we are. There's a shortage of trolls. 13-16. That's probably the worst we've ever had. 13-16 is the lowest for a Thursday, but this is Thursday. I don't remember us doing this count last Thanksgiving.

No, probably did not. And we'd like to remind everybody we're working on Thanksgiving. Yeah, so we probably thought well i figured we lost i've always thought we'd lose 20 of the audience on these holidays that we were sure well there you go more than 20 probably and um now back in the day i remember many many a thanksgiving when you would uh need to pause the show to baste your turkey. Yeah, but we're having the turkey tomorrow. Oh, of course.

Of course. The Dvorak's. Yes. We have Christmas in January and Thanksgiving on Friday. Okay. Why? And Jay's cooking the turkey. Oh, because Mimi is coming?

Is Mimi coming down? No. She's not coming? Not this time. Wow. Because she's busy setting up the kennel. Oh, this, by the way, this is Mimi of TooManyEggs.com. Yeah, TooManyEggs.com.

Get some Christmas gifts while you're at it. She is doing the kennel. She's doing the kennel. Hey, you know, you got to be careful with the kennel. It's going to be very busy tomorrow because of the holiday. I wouldn't be so sure. We know all about it. We know all about the disease. And there's certain things we will do at this kennel that no other kennels will do.

Like dogs can't share a ball. Well, so I just wanted, so you obviously know, but we didn't play any clips that there's a mysterious dog illness on the loose. Yeah, the dog virus, a new dog virus. I'm waiting for an mRNA shot for your dog. That's what I'm waiting for. It's obviously, that's what's coming. It must be.

So is there no ball sharing that that's no ball sharing no water bowl sharing no coughing each other do you make the dogs wear a mask you have to wear a mask the dogs all wear masks they all get masked up when they come in if you want to be a troll um you can, of course, join us. You can join us early on show days. Darren O'Neill does the rock and roll pre-show. You can go to... And by the way, Jack White stinks. And you know, that last song he played was Jack White.

It was just a cacophony. It was a mess. It was not musical by any means. Jack White is a weird dude, too, man. He's weird. He's a weird guy. He's just weird. You ever met him?

No. I would have no opportunity to meet him that I can think of. Weird dude. Successful though. Yeah, of course he is. That's not necessarily a given, but he's parlayed that pretty well. He has his own place where he gigs and gotten pretty good.

When did you meet him? Oh, my God, so long ago. I don't remember. I've met everybody. Name it. Name it. Tchaikovsky, met him. George W. Bush.

No, but I did. Donald Trump. Hey, I should have met him by now yeah you should have and i feel that you know support for him is out the window lost my vote he can go sit there with the with bobby the op i'm i'm big mike 2024 baby that's where i'm going you can become a troll by going to trollroom.io. I did meet Stephen Hawking. Yes, I did. Stephen Hawking.

I met him. Remember that? No, I don't remember that. Yes, I was in a restaurant in Los Angeles, and he was at the table next to me, and he had all these hot nurses. Yeah, he always had babes around him. Yes, he got babarama. Hey, baby, come over here. You can

become a troll by going to trollroom.io where you can log in. You can start posting right away. And also, of course, we have the stream there, noagentastream.com. It's 24-7. There's always a cool podcast rolling. A lot of them are live these days. And if not, then it's still fun to

troll along with your fellow trolls. You can get a modern podcast rolling. A lot of them are live these days. And if not, then it's still fun to troll along with your fellow trolls. You can get a modern podcast app. Go to podcast apps.com. A number of them have the live feature. And CurioCaster actually is, you don't even need an app for that. It's a website.

It has the chat room right in there and then troll along and do everything. These are great apps. And you'll want that because when this show updates, those apps know within 90 seconds. No more waiting around for Apple to finally figure out, oh, there's a new podcast. No, you know it right away.

The magic of Podping. The value for value proposition is what we started just about 16 years ago. And it has kept us on the air and kept us being able to continue to deconstruct media for you twice a week. Didn't we actually, didn't at some point we do three shows a week for maybe a couple weeks? Never. I thought, well, we came close. We came threatening it it we came close like it was like a running gag yeah and then we never did it i thought we tried it once and was

like oh no that doesn't work no we did something else it was like we did a i think one of our 200 one of our bonus shows or something that was going to be used for something else and we did it in the same during the week when we did the other shows and we realized we it's too much work to do three shows a week and it is actual work i mean people are like you just yapping the microphone shoot the shit with each other it's like it's it's a it's not just a job it's a lifestyle it's a lifestyle i mean literally here we on Thanksgiving. The minute we're done, I have to jump in the shower, get ready, and I have 30 minutes to get to the Thanksgiving dinner that we've been invited to. Where are you going?

The International Arms Dealer. I always think you're going to say International House of Pancakes. You have a great Thanksgiving dinner there. No, the International Arms Dealer is great. His wife is a Moms for Liberty leader. So it'll be lively. I might have stuff to talk about. So will the food be good?

Oh, she is top notch. She's a great cook. Why don't you eat there all the time? Well, we do. We eat there a lot. My wife is a good cook. I'm a good cook. But Andrea, her presentation is above anything we could achieve.

She got great presentation. She has great sauce skills. Yeah, no, she's good. She's really good. And I'm bringing a Dutch dessert, which is called spekkoek. People should take note of this. Spekkoek, S-P-e-k-k-o-e-k spec kook which was sent to me by a producer and you didn't even make it no i'm gonna tell everybody i did though please so i made the way you do it i made it this is what i used to do with stuffing i make

stove top and people would love it oh this is great stuffing of course it is i mean i slaved over it's a family recipe just stove top is the best stove top so what is spec cook well look it up it's um it's a multi-layered cake and you usually cut it into small pieces small slices uh no more than a centimeter thick um and it has just layers of like a soft cookie type substance you know like maple syrupy type taste in there it's it's sweet look it up speck cook i'm looking at it right now okay and what do you think? Thousand layer cake, it's called. Oh, okay. We call it speckook. Thousand layer cake.

Let's say speckook. Thousand layer cake. Lapis legit. Cakes. That's ChatGPT who just made that up. No, I'm not looking at ChatGPT. It's a colonized cake. There's a green version.

Yes. Yep. There's green versions. Yeah. This is the brown version. Is this the green version? I don't know. I haven't cut into it. I don't. Yeah, this is the brown version. Is this the green version? I don't know. I haven't cut into it.

I don't. Green could be on the inside. It could have a green layer on the inside. It's very tasty. Very rich. People go, hmm, that's rich. Very rich. It's a layered spice cake.

Spice cake, yeah. It's an extremely harmonious blend of Eastern and Western flavors. Yes, Indonesian. Yeah, all the good cooking in Holland is from Indonesia. Extremely harmonious blend of Eastern and Western flavors. Yes. Indonesian. Yeah. All the good cooking in Holland is from Indonesia. Indonesian influences. Correct.

Yeah. Thank you for reminding me. Now I can say, this has Indonesian influences. Yeah, you can. I picked this up when I lived in Holland. I picked up the art of spekuk. You know, some people call it thousand layer cake. There's no way.

I'm looking at this cake. I'm saying, there's no way you're going to cook this. Nobody that I know would make this cake because of the layers. That's me, baby. Too many layers. I slaved over it. I want people to be grateful. If anyone believes this story, they have to have something wrong with them. Well, there you go.

We are in the hill country. So we appreciate time, talent, treasure. That's what we love getting from people. And the way that works is, look, you got this show. You were hanging around. Hey, wow, these guys gave me some value, some value-tainment. And they gave that to me for free. I could just listen to it whenever I wanted to.

There's no subscription fee. There was no advertisements. There was no Patreon, no levels. Didn't have to, you know, no paywall where you get the premium content or bonus content. No premium content at all. It's all premium content. It's all 100% premium content.

Why wouldn't all the content be premium? What, was the rest of it crap? Exactly. Well, of course, the stuff that you get for free is going to be crap. Our stuff is primo. It's A1 steak sauce right up front. And all we ask is, from time to time, it's like, oh, that was valuable to me.

Send us some value back. Time, talent, treasure. We have a lot of people who provide us with time. Mimi provides us with time neeming provides us with time and talent she does the meetup list we have sir daniel he does meetup uh no agenda meetups.com page yes which is a lot of work yes uh we have void zero managing stuff we have tons of things we have we have people doing so much work posting memes on No Agenda Social. Thank you for that value. That's really highly appreciated.

And of course. I like it. I'm sure you do. You don't. Nope. No, I've given up. I'm done. I'm not even going to.

I'm not even liking or boosting anybody anymore. I'm not even. You never have in the past. I have. Oh, I boosted a lot. Not anymore. I'm done. I know because the minute I say something, the minute I troll, hey, man, that's not cool, man.

He was a knight. Just block him. Oh, and so I blocked this one guy. And here's what he did. So he took the picture of me holding up the PhD. So he took the picture of me holding up the PhD. And then he put an Israeli flag on it and says, no agendas, new sponsor. I'm like, so I blocked him.

But like you always tell me to do. Yes, you should. And then he's like reaching out to me through back channels, you know, other places. Screw him. If he's going to be that kind of a douchebag. He says, hey, man, you couldn't other places. Screw him. If he's going to be that kind of a douchebag. He says, hey man, you couldn't take the ribbing. The ribbing? That's not ribbing. That's insulting. Yes.

There's been other insulting. Very insulting. Oh, there's a couple of guys on there that are just nothing more than dweeb insulting types. Clip custodian. It wasn't you. Clip custodian. Clip custodian he's like i'm sorry anyway um so artists now the artists they the ones who've been around know what we like and

and they really try very hard it's a competition but it's also they're professional artists you know we we had roger roundy guy was top. He got a gig and they left us. I mean, that's how important these artists are. Yeah, he won once and then that was the end. He was winning. He was winning and he even thanked us without, because he went to make political illustrations. He learned on the job, doing it for us for free.

And then once he got a gig, he said, screw those guys. I'm not working for nothing. doing it for us for free and then once he got a gig he said screw those guys i'm not working for free and we still love him that's okay well he's on he's very active on the no agenda social yeah he's constantly boosting stuff and he's taking pictures of himself at meetups oh he's taking pictures of himself with his girlfriend he's taking her wife i don't know if they're now they're engaged and he's taking pictures of himself with his girlfriend. He's taking a wife. I don't know if they're married. And he's taking pictures of himself here and there. Yeah. Well, I'm glad he's able to do that.

So we, of course, want to thank the artist who brought us the artwork for the previous episode, 1609. We titled that one Pain Sponge. One of our snappier titles. And Pet Rex brought us the obvious AI-gener ai generated art but that was okay because it was of an ai generated monster eating the world uh and it was okay

i'd say it was a seven and a half on a scale of one to ten but there really wasn't anything else we looked at a number of things trying to bring up pieces didn't make any sense yeah the trouble with the ai artist is sometimes doesn't make any sense it just looks good and people like oh it looks good and then here's darren darren's got a piece that was generated by ai it's pretty obvious for the girl holding a sign say no to genocide i can barely read this the sign yeah and he couldn't make the sign any bigger. There's also a lot of stuff that came in late. Well, those pieces at the top

came in late, but that wasn't going to change anything. No. What the hell was that all about? Yeah, so now Darren's Genocide Joe was, yeah, cute girl, cute little cartoon girl say no to Genocide Joe, but he just throws it into Dali and says, make it.

We discussed for a while the Nestworks Firestorm, which was kind of cool. The gas mask fireman's helmet with the X. We discussed that one. Well, I'll tell you a couple of things we discussed about. One, I said, hey, it's a good one. I picked it. I said, let's get this because it'll pop. And then you noticed it because it's on

white, on a white background. And then you said it's not white. No, it's not. It's on a green background. And you said green or something. No, I said pink. Okay, it's on a pink background. And as soon as you said that, I saw, oh yeah, it's on a pink background. It's not going to pop that much. I don't know why he did that, why he put it on a background that has some off color

he could have been a contender nestworks and you also didn't but you didn't like the curry dvorak on the axe heads that's what you said no i didn't know on the the ai monster i didn't like the curry dvorak i thought it was just a throw a throwaway. There was no love put into our names. And there wasn't. Look at it. Which one? On the piece that won. Curry Dvorak at the bottom?

Yeah, there's no love in that. It looks fine. That's what you said the last time. Now your color blindness came into play. That is a color blindness color. And there was a lot of Elon stuff, which wasn't really funny the tiktok with babies no it was it was there's a ai piece at the bottom by capitalist agenda that is so over the top ai it's a cute kind of piece but come on, people. I think we're doomed.

We're not going to get anything that's actually done. This is the problem with AI. People get lazy. The throw's like, make a thing with a guy with a television, put in a turkey, put in this letter, and go. Yeah, pretty much it. Yeah. Yeah. You know what's funny point you know because i have my own ai here then you can have a lot of fun with michelle obama if you ask the art to do the the

if you ask the ai to do certain things post it on the no gen social no no i delete them right away it's so horrible it's bad it It's bad. Well, anyway, thank you very much Petrex for, and Petrex has won a couple of times. I think. Petrex had a couple of wins in the past. Yeah, he's got a couple of pieces.

I think twice before he's won. He's got a style. He's got a nice style. And wasn't Petrex Dutch? Did we figure that out? Yes. No, he's Dutchutch did we figure that out yes no he's yeah he's dutch we did figure that out pet rex we have a lot of dutch artists for some reason you know what they're good at art spec kook they make the best they make the best nobody in holland makes it they make the best spec kook in the world thank you very much pet rex we really appreciate that and uh and thank you for that.

Very valuable. It's important, particularly when we spread the good news of a new episode. People like, they just like, it's fun. It's fun to,

these are memes you can use that I approve of. That's how you should look at it. Now let us thank the people who brought us the final T of the three Ts, the treasure, a good showing today.

Short notes, highly appreciated. It's really, I mean, the amount of people who came in. Of course, you let everybody know the PhD. Wrapping. I'm sorry? It's wrapping. It's wrapping, yes. The PhD program is ending.

And I mean, that'll be it. It's the 333rd day of the year, which is this coming Wednesday. And then it's wrapping. It's wrapping, yes. The PhD program is ending. And, I mean, that'll be it. It's the 333rd day of the year, which is this coming Wednesday. And then it's over. So a lot of people got in on that. And we had, yet again, near the end of the year, it's always beautiful, another show number donation. This makes two in a row. The Duke of Central Florida from Winter Park came in with $1610. Mind-boggling. We haven't

had show numbers donations in a long time. All of a sudden we get two in a row. He says, show number donation from the Duke of Central Florida, the Fibonacci Duke. There you go. Thanks. Here you go. Thanks for working on Thanksgiving Day so we can enjoy your deconstruction.

Thanks for the opportunity to gain a PhD. No jingles, no karma. Love that. Thank you so much, Duke of Central Florida. An interesting PhD came in later. We'll have to discuss. Jason Adams is next on this list with Smyrna, Georgia.

1-1-1-1-3-3. And he sent, oh, he sent a note to follow. I didn't said a note to follow i didn't get to note and jay didn't get to note so i'm looking it'll be read as a make good i guess i don't see a note either so i guess we didn't get i got another note rodney lily bridge and lewiston 1069.69 interesting phd donation for rodney J. Lillibridge, a.k.a. Sir J-Mo, Black Baron of North Idaho. And that's it?

These are good notes. Thank you. So that contrasts with Robert Knudsen, who wrote quite the typewritten note. To Idahoians. To Idaho's. Idaho's. 1033. Yes. To Idahoians. Mm-hmm. To Idaho's. Idaho's. One, oh, three, three.

And he sent a physical note in with a check. My name is Rob Knutson. Knutson. Okay, it's Knutson. So his name is Rob Knutson. Mm-hmm. I blew it. Recently ran for city council in my town of Coeur d'Alene.

Coeur d'Alene. Coeur d'Alene, Idaho. Before becoming a Knight or getting a PhD in media deconstruction, as a first-time candidate, I received 1,033 votes. Almost 10% of the vote, but failed to make voters giddy enough to win me a seat. May my failed candidacy

serve as a warning to all the kids out there who desire an elected office. Please get knighted first and or by a PhD before running for office. What a canard. You are a shoo-in for mayor. So he enclosed 103.3 as total vote count. Please knight me, Sir Bobby J. the K. Norwegian Knight of the Coeur d'Alene.

Please knight me Sir Bobby J. the K. Norwegian knight of the Coeur d'Alene. We request a jingle consistent of I was really blotto with an F-35 scream enhancement at the round table. May I request a random can of plain seltzer water from John's secret stash. Not so secret. Robert Knutson. Okay, the only thing I didn't have...

Do we have any of John's seltzer water? Is it just the plain seltzer? Is that what you're drinking? The plain seltzer water? Anybody's seltzer water ink. Okay, plain seltzer water. Okay, and yes, I think I

do have this request that you have. I was really blotto i never heard that before i remember it karma that's uh that's me from swamp thing oh it was the it was the the line that i argued with the producer and writer over said no one says blotto in rock and roll. No one says blotto anywhere. And I think he's a knight, the writer.

But we still disagree. Brian Teleki, Lincoln, Nebraska. 1,033 cents. ITM, I could not resist this opportunity to become Dr. Otter of the freshwater with his PhD. That's a good one. As a trucker, I love listening to the show while driving. It gets me around 200 miles down the road. Oh, there you go. See, we're good. We're good for something. We're good for 200 miles. Sharpton Medley, Chemtrails, Little Gurier, and the F-22 guy scream for relationship karma.

I'll do the F-35 guy if you don't mind. He says, thanks for all you do. This is the medley version. He's getting lunch at Chipotle. The Tortoise in the race. Kim Kardashian, Siginoy Weaver, R-E-S-P-I-C-T. They're all jitty.

R-E-S-P-I-C-T. There's no real conflict. Resist. We must. Resist. We must. We must. And we will much.

About. That. Be committed. Can. Fail. Yay! You've got. No!

Karma. Brunist Floris in Albuquerque new mexico one thousand dollars and one penny uh binary 33 did you know that one thousand one i do now i do binary 33 i didn't know that i didn't know it i'll check it thank you for all you do another great note thank you for all you do couldn't resist the phd and night and knighthood combo well that was easy that was easy anonymous with 1000 itm tech tv donation now were you on tech tv yeah of course silicon spin was tech tv tech TV. Oh, I didn't realize that was tech TV. Was that the only thing you did on tech TV? I also ended up doing, long story, but I ended up doing Big Thinkers for a couple years.

Oh, Big Thinkers. I got to meet a lot of interesting people. I bet. Who were some of the, give me one interesting person, one big thinker. The guy who invented the cell phone was on that show. What's his name? Here's my favorite one. He wasn't on the show I invented the cell phone was on that show. What's his name? Here's my favorite one. He wasn't on the show I did, but he was on Stan Lee.

Stan Lee was on the show. I talked to him for a while. Jay Chiat, I did have him on the show. Everybody was interesting. But here's the kicker. I just slap myself in the head when I think of this. Stan Lee is on the show. Explain who Stan Lee is.

Stan Lee is the guy that invented all the Marvel comics, comic characters. Either that or DC. One of the two. He's Marvel, I think. People in the troll room know for sure. But Stan Lee is very famous. And so he's on the show. And he's just a nice guy.

He's kind of a goofball, actually. And where was I? He's there. Why didn't I buy a handful? Like maybe five or ten comic books and have them sign them. Those comic books, a signed Stan Lee comic book is worth $1,000 to

$2,000. So I'm just basically let you like $20,000 walk out I'm just basically let you like $20,000 walk out the door. That's like not buying Bitcoin. At 25 cents. At 25 cents, yes. So you were basically the

OG Joe Rogan. You were doing the Joe Rogan show before. Joe Rogan's got a longer show. He's a different interview style. No. I don't think so. And we move on. Back to Anonymous.

Thanks for working through the holidays. You're welcome. We do it with great pleasure. Jingles, I've got information, man, and fear is freedom. I'd like to be knighted Sir Geese Mill of the Four Corners Demilitarized Zone. We shall make it so. I've got information, man. New shit has come to life.

Fear is freedom. Subjugation is liberation. Contradiction is truth. Those are the facts of this world, and you will all surrender to them, you pigs in human clothing. Woo, yes. There you go. There you go.

Sherelle Peterson comes in from Auburn, California. Pleasant town just north of Sacramento. $1,000. Happy Thanksgiving, she writes. Thank you. Keep up the good work. Jobs karma for everyone. Dame name, Dame Reltastic of the sierra foothills okay jobs jobs jobs and jobs another short note yes they're all short beautiful carma amy mcdaniel black diamond

washington thousand dollars john adam thanks so much for the entertaining education you provide each week i look forward to each show and am not disappointed. Thanks. Amy McDaniel. Thank you, Amy. Timothy McKay in Battle Creek, Michigan. Battle Creek. Kellogg's.

Gentlemen, thank you for your courage and kudos for working the holiday. Please accept this reciprocation of my treasure for your talent. You may anoint me as Sir Cordwainer of yore. I'd like grass-fed ribeyes and rye Sazeracs. It'd be Sazerac, why? Rye, Sazerac, rye. At the round table, no jingles, no karma, Timothy McKay, Battle Creek, Michigan.

Yes, we got the grass fed um grain finished for you i hope that's okay qq ah we know qq qq west florida thousand if i still qualify for the phd then good if not you still deserve this donation for all the good things you do to change the world. Wow. That's a pretty big kudos, man. I don't know if we change it. Well, if you think so. We change our underwears about it.

And I'm not even sure about him. Kevin Stephenson, Muscle Shores, Alabama. Shoals. Shoals. Yes, Shoals. In the morning and happy Thanksgiving, he writes, I've enjoyed and learned a lot from John's articles in PC Magazine back in the day. Then I found this podcast and now I'm enjoying Adam's just as much.

YouTube brightened my week. I was in K-12 education in Alabama as a CTO for over 26 years and loved it. education in Alabama as a CTO for over 26 years and loved it. But when COVID and online forced learning forced us to give every child a Chromebook and then support them and the teachers at home day and night, essentially my health took a downturn. I took the early retirement option and left. Best move I've made. And now I work for a private company selling educational websites. Also found out at least seven of my peers across the state that I know of had health issues at the time due to the added stress of incredible amounts of federal funding for hardware software but regulations that couldn't be spent on additional salaries. I remember this.

Since CTOs are not hourly workers like the technicians we took the brunt of it and many left we talked about we talked about this we talked about tech guys going no we can't do this you just politicians are like yeah get more chromebooks it's good learn at home and they're like we need you can't support all this stuff and teachers were getting angry at them this sucks it's not working. Fix it. Yeah, those poor guys. Yeah. Yeah, you get in the middle, you tech guy.

Yeah, it's bad. Since I have more change in my pocketbook now, in my pocket now, I no longer want to be a douchebag, so please de-douche me. You've been de-douched. You should make me an instant item, no agenda scholar.

For my night name, I'd like to be Sir TRS-80. I'll take Blanton's and carrot cake at the round table. And as for jingles, I'd love John Spooky Donate and R2-D2 Karma. Keep up the great work. Kevin in Muscle Shoals. Alabama. You've got...

Donate! Donate! Donate! Karma. You've got... Karma. There you go. We got Sir Moscovitz from Silver Spring, Maryland with a thousand no notes. I will give him a double up karma as he deserves. You've got.

I'll take the next one. I'll take the next one. You can take the long one. No, it's not that long, but OK. It's shorter. Matthew Gebhardt, 1000. After all these years, crowning graduating with my Ph.D. Oh, this is the one.

Oh, no, it is not the one. The learning never stops. Next, I'm enrolling at the No Agenda Institute of Theoretical and Applied Podcasting. Where you can help us open it because we make a positive difference in the world. Keep up the great work. Thank you. Lee North, a thousand.

My wife thinks I'm crazy, but I couldn't pass up the chance for a PhD and a credit for the Thanksgiving Day special. I guess my new title should be Baron Sir Dr. Goon. Thank you for your courage as always. Jobs, jobs, jobs and R2D2 karma. Lee North, Kansas City. Kilo Fox.

Zero. Yeah. Zero. Bravo. Echo Hotel. 73's. Kilo 5. Alpha Charlie Charlie.

Your wife thinks you're crazy for donating and getting a PhD, but not for being a ham? Dude, let's be honest about it. Well, I'm glad she didn't protest too much. She's obviously a fantastic woman. Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs. Let's vote for jobs. You've got karma. Evgeny Damaskini or Evgeny Damaskine in Boston, Massachusetts.

I think this is the first Evgeny that we've ever had. It's a great name. One thousand dollars. And he says, i want my framed phd where you're going to get your phd but it's not framed yourself it's very carefully packed so i wouldn't worry about that yeah it comes in in an official envelope like a fold open thing just like well it is a real phd so it's indistinguishable from one from an institution. Like an asylum. Sir Jim Watts, Baron of Whistler. Ah, Whistler, BC.

I've been to Whistler. Okay, this is the questionable. This is what I have to discuss. This is very questionable. I will read the note and then we shall discuss. 1,000 Canadian enclosed for a cut rate PhD. We celebrated Thanksgiving on October, on October, a harvest celebration up here. I will stay with Baron title as it has a nice ring. Jobs, karma, please.

Jim Watts, Baron of Whistler. Now, we didn't necessarily say that you could get a cut rate PhD. Now, did we? No. No, but we didn't say you couldn't. Nah, there's no but we didn't say you couldn't. Nah, there's no evidence we didn't say we couldn't. So I was very torn when I saw the $733 donation for the cut rate PhD. Yeah.

Because the Canadians, we've always given them full credit for their Canadians. And Australians. And New Zealanders. And Australians, the two of them. And Zealanders, if anyone listens. And soon Argentinians. We won't get too many listeners down there. So I don't know.

Yeah, I can't not give it to him, but we only have one week left. Does any other Canadians want to come in for 7.33? I mean, if anyone argues with this, I think it's just go kick a Canadian in the shins. But I think we should do it. Yeah. Likely there's only one more week left in the promotion, so that's the end of it.

Alright. Well, here's your jobs, Karma, and congratulations on your well-deserved PhD. Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs. Let's vote for jobs. zachary michael in also in canada 730.3 which probably adds up to the right number two thank you for everything you do i thought i have a few things to say but knowing how much you too adore long notes, I will refrain from doing so and deprive you of such gratification. He goes

on and on. However, in a handsome millennial gals get, however, as a handsome millennial gals get at me. Please dummy Sir Cal 1984 and look forward to my PhD as second Canadian in the same show.

That comes up with the basically the same calculation how could anyone pass up a chance to get two birds stoned at once for jingles possibly play the medley just take the vaccine at the end of the show thanks again sir ca canada sir canada so i looked for this i couldn't find a medley first of all medley maybe means a supercut i could not find a just take the vaccine. I mean, there's not a supercut of just take the vaccine. I don't remember it either. No, so I couldn't find it.

You may have heard it someplace else. But we do have a good end of show mix for you, and we appreciate your support. Anonymous in Chicago, Illinois, 34567. Very much appreciate having something good to listen to, says Anonymous. A couple of submissions for you i had a friend in college who exclaimed yipper skipper for any answers in the affirmative sometimes shortening to yippers and for the weight loss drug game diathan diathan or something thereabouts a very sincere thank you for your courage ps it appears i get it what die thin oh die

got it uh ps it appears ice age farmer has gone silent adams mentioned reminded me about him nothing online for at least a year hmm oh i hope he's okay i don't know who it is ice age farmer yeah we played the the clip of him predicting that there'd be food shortages, and I play it every year. Oh, the food shortage guy. And I play it every year. He'd probably starve to death. So, yeah, see, thanks for working on Thanksgiving, and we appreciate that.

Yeah, we're good with that, man. Now we go with Aaron Shaw in Prairieville, Louisiana, 333.33. Switcheroo. I appreciate you all so much, especially since you all work on important holidays like this one. This donation is for my smoking hot husband, Sir Jew Claw. All right, Sir Jew Claw. Towards upping his peerage in the future. I don't think I need any jingles.

We barely need a jobs, Karma. For something I'm trying to accomplish with my business in the near future. Got to get my mom out of my house karma. Oh, well, I know there isn't one of those. Since her house caught fire 2.5 months ago and she's been living with a sense. Oh, no. Finding a new house in this market is not proving to be very easy. new house in this market is not proving to be very easy. And lastly, I'd like to mention the upcoming No Agenda

Meetup in Southern Louisiana that we're hosting on Friday December 1st. That'll get your mom out of the house. Bring a bunch of No Agenda people in. Yeah, I think that's the idea, to be honest about it. That'll do it. I should call out a few douchebags I know at the upcoming meetup, but I'll keep them anonymous for now. Thanks, Aaron Chardin Marymoon. And because of that, we'll give you a TPP

Jobs Karma. Jobs. Jobs. Jobs. Jobs. Jobs. Jobs. Jobs. Jobs. Jobs. Jobs. Jobs. Jobs. Karma. Let us know if it worked. Aaron Brzezinski in Etowah, Tennessee. 333.33. If you're in El Paso area, stop by Downrange Brewery.

See Gabe and his wife for the best beer and the best people in town. John and Adam, thank you for the greatest podcast in the universe. Happy Thanksgiving. Thank you. Sir Ronald Gardner in San Diego, California, 333.33. He's also SirWrong33. ITM gents wanted to express our gratitude and thanks for the work you do to make No Agenda the best podcast in the universe,

especially during the holidays where you continue to work and we slack off. Thank you ever so much. This donation will make me a Viscount. Please change my title to Sir Ronald Gardner, Viscount of Insane Diego and Surrounding Waters. We would like some house-selling moving karma as we try to escape from the socialist republic of California. Happy Thanksgiving and many blessings to you and your families and to all the knights and dames out there. Stay safe. Cheers, Sir Wrong 33. You've got karma. And coming in from Amsterdam, Sir Pete. Sir Pete, Sir Pete. Pete, Pete, Pete.

222.22. Row of Ducks. ITM Sir Pete here. I love the show even better lately. He's been around for a long time. Thank you. Here's a sack of ducks in return. Could you grace my fellow producers and myself with some jobs, karma?

Love is lit. And he says, oh, he wants a jingle request. He has a healthy diet, which I think is the healthy news diet. F-35 goat karma. So we'll combine that with your jobs request. If you wake up with the blues, trying to fill your day with news, there's one thing you must remember. No agenda in the morning.

For a healthy, balanced news diet, try noagendashow.com. Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs. Let's vote for jobs. You thought. Wow. Karma. Karma. karma paul kroschulik in binghamton new york two two two dot two to another row of ducks uh paul from being binghamton new york being binghamton now we always say binghamton but

it's binghamton uh no jingles no karma thank you and then we have oh yes one of these it's always the jokers sean in stafford virginia 2 12 80 hey jna after three plus years of listening glad to no longer be a douchebag here's my 2 12 80 my most recent pay raise brought me to 43 33 i can't deny the podfather anymore after that number came my way. Thanks for working Thanksgiving. Really, it means a lot to get quality content on the holiday. I will be listening for the fat lady to sing at 2 p.m. while milking my holiday double time. And has a very known sequence. Trump, I'm going to come.

Kamala, don't come. Joe, hold load. And a Howard Dean Trump, I'm going to come. Kamala, don't come. Joe, hold load. And a Howard Dean scream. I'm going to come. Do not come. I'm going to give you the whole load today. There you go. Never heard that one.

Thank you. Eric Adler in Punta Gorda, Florida, thought it was time to donate when I was giving a frequency change to Jax at 133.33. He's a pilot. Well, at 33,000 feet. He's a pilot. Thanks, mofos. That's pretty cool. If that really, it's possible there's 133.3 frequency for Jacksonville.

And I'll finish this up with Linda Lou Patkin in Lakewood, Colorado. Jobs Karma. For a resume search that gets results, or for a resume, actually, that gets results, go to ImageMakersInc.com for all your executive resume and job search needs. That's ImageMakersInc, I-N-K with a K dot com, or just find Linda Lou Patkin on the producer list. Her streak continues.

I'm so thankful for you guys. Her streak continues. Amazing. Yeah, I know. She's a stare down. So I want to say that Eric Arsjo in Stockholm, Sweden, that came in at $199.99 is really a $200 donation

and that happens to be just exchange rate screw up. Oh, okay. So he is definitely on the list for us. He's got no note, but we recognize him and let's give him a double up karma. Oh, wow. You moved up and a karma. You've got karma.

Well, we of course thank our executive and associate executive producers and congratulate our PhDs, our new PhDs. We'll actually have a little ceremony for you

in a moment. This is ending. That'll end Sunday. It'll be the last time. No, Wednesday, the 333rd day of the year. Last day you can pick that up.

Thank you so much. This makes me feel good about working on the holiday. I hope it makes you feel good. The value has been exchanged. It is highly appreciated. We have a lot more people to thank who supported us today. John's going to take us through the 50s. I will.

Starting with Patricia Lewis in Merced, California. 1-666-7. She actually sent a little note in. I think she sent a card. in uh it's a i think she sent the card yeah she sent a card she says thanks john and adam she's a cute card she got good you know what she looks it looks like tina's handwriting um yeah tina's is a little less uh uh baloony uh anonymous in calgary she came up with one six six six Anonymous in Calgary. She came in with 16667. Anonymous in Calgary, Alberta, 120. Want some baby-making?

Carmen will give you that at the end. Don Malley in Fremont, California, 113. Ian Field, 100. Rachel Pilikowski. No amount. She's in Portage, Wisconsin. She says, don't say the amount

so we won't but it's funny where it's located on the list and she wants to be de-douched you've been de-douched William Gerken in Centennial Colorado happy Thanksgiving Joseph Salino in East Syracuse, New York, 100. Steven Rivas in Roland Heights, California, 100.

Dame Twin Mominator in Cumming, Georgia, 100. Another happy Thanksgiving. Brian Lillard in Prosper, Texas, 8888. Jack Schofield in Yankee Town, Florida. Looks like he's going to be a knight. And I think this is a note you have to read because of it. Yes, because having completed 20 monthly payments for knighthood, let's do a switcheroo for my lovely wife, Susie,

who has managed to take 51 trips around the sun with me. Yes, we had a few fights. 51 years together. Oh, wow. Please name her Dame Susie Boot Scooter of the Nature Coast. What is that name all about? No jingles, no karma. We have been blessed.

No special fare. Just half portions at the round table. And please de-douche. You've been deuced i will renew and continue to fill my contract of monthly donations and until i do so will remain a douche is keeping a promise and fulfilling a contract is very important love them boobs p.s suzy's birthday is 11 24 please put on the birthday list she's on there jack scofield uh john it's phonetically Schofield. You got it. Love you guys. ITM.

Love you too. And we'll look forward to welcoming Susan. Jason Maurer in Vancouver, Washington. 8008. And so is Jack's, by the way. 8008. And then we get to Kevin McLaughlin, our Archduke of Luna, lover of American boobs, and Conquer North Carolina with 8008

with a commentary. Did you know boobs are proof men can focus on two things at once? That's a good one. I like that one. That's a good one. It's observation. Yeah, it's observation. It's just science.

Sir Lineman in Illinois, 8008. Thanks for working on the holiday. Joseph Weish in Miami, California is what it says. It does have a note. Does it say on here? I don't know. Miami, Florida. It was misinterpreted.

There you go. Miami, Florida, 7777. Gregory Kierdak in Padova, Italy. Hey, Padua. Hey. And he says, thank you, happy Thanksgiving. Thank you. Kate Smith in Leonardtown, Maryland, 7272.

Sir Rick in Arlington. Actually, now he's Baron Rick, I think, in Arlington, Washington, 6996. We have to now get it in our minds that it's Baron Rick. Josh Magnuson in Kyle Texas 6969 he was at the Austin meetup donation Sir

Dr. Sir Becoming Heroic in Shererville Indiana 6886 which he calls Jiggly Boobs Scott I have to look at that and figure that one out scott riley in meridian idaho 66 cameron ling in north branch in minnesota that's 60 10 there's kevin mclaughlin again with 6006 the small boobs ladies are you living your

boobs. Ladies, are you living your breast life? Oh, he's inserted a pun into this. Hey, he's still there. We love you. Yeah, it's astonishing. Tim Freeman in Placerville, California 6006, another

aficionado. Matthew Elwart in Weatherford, Texas 6006. Ryan Smith in Raleigh, North, 6006. Ryan Smith in Raleigh, North Carolina, 6006. Matthew Martin, Como, New South Wales, Australia, 60. Sir Not Jake in Thompson, Connecticut, 5678. Sir Edward of the Henpect in Omaha, Nebraska, 5555. Paul Webb in Twickenham, Middlesex, UK, 55-55.

He says, Happy Thanksgiving, gents. Don't worry, everyone in the UK is working today as well. Well, that's true. Stephen Sandler, getting ready for Black Friday. Stephen Smith in Maynardville, Tennessee, 55-10. and Maynardville, Tennessee, 5510. Baron Henry of the Outpost West in Rancho Palos Verdes, California, 5242. Alan Huffman in Urbandale, Iowa, 5042.

Jordan Brown in Centerville, Ohio, 5033. As we get into the 50s. Forrest Martin, 5005. Andrew Benz in Missouri, 5005. And now we've got the $50 donors. And we'll wrap this thing up. Starting with Robert Case in Mill Spring, North Carolina. Matt Illingworth in Montclair, New Jersey.

Julian Robbins in Aptos, California. Matthias Baczynski in Hawthorne, California. Nicholas Rudowich in Har's Ferry, West Virginia, Daniel Laboy in Bath, Michigan, Michael Sikora in New Richmond, Wisconsin, Tatiana Prince in Hollywood, Florida, Sir Patrick Maycomb in New York City. Robert Hanna in Poway, California. Kate Haskell. There's a lot of them today. Kate Haskell in San Rafael, California. David Perdue in Snow Hill, North Carolina. Michael Romano in Sebastopol.

Gaucho Woodworking. Check him out. In Redondo Beach, California. Greg Huff in Austin, Texas. Alexa Delgado in another Aptos dweller. Ronald Cedario in Riverview, Florida. Carrie Meeks in Franklin, Tennessee. Rita Harrington in Sparks, Nevada. Happy Thanksgiving to you. Alexis Robles in Chula Vista. I'm the two uncles he never had. She never had. Devin O'Connell in Boylston, Boylston, Massachusetts. James Farrell in Haverhill, Massachusetts.

And last on the list is Michael Statum. And he's from parts unknown on this list so we want to thank these these a lot of people today uh for helping us out on show 1610 making it a possibility thank you all making it a winner yes thank you all so much and thank you to those of you who donated under 50 dollars we do not mention those names to make sure they're anonymous if people want to be anonymous 49.99 works perfectly for us and of course if you're on one of those many sustaining donations which you can make up your own number a lot of people like 333 a lot of people like 33 some like 12 12 11 11 you can find a whole bunch more at devorek.org slash n a or at

noagendadonations.com thank you for making our overtime here uh very valuable to us uh we hope you appreciated it as well and uh we look forward to handing out those uh um phds but also the titles of executive producer and associate executive producer for the people we mentioned earlier they're real you can put them on your LinkedIn. You can put them on your resume. And of course, they are completely valid and you can open up an IMDB profile account with them. Thank you very much for supporting the best podcast in the universe. Episode 1610. Our formula is this. We go out, we hit people in the mouth. Oddly enough, the birthday list is pretty short. We have David Kekka turns 45. Well, turned 45 on November 15th.

Jack Schofield wishes his wife Susie a happy birthday. Turned 51 on November 24th. Well, gee, that is tomorrow. And Jordan Brown wishes his son Ren Brown a happy birthday. He'll be turning one year old tomorrow. And Patricia Lewis wishes her daughter Emily Mitchell a happy birthday for the 29th. We say happy birthday from everybody here at the best podcast in the universe. Happy birthday.

Title changes. Turn and face the slate. Nice changes. Don't want to be a douchebag. We have two title changes. Sir Ronald Gardner, Baron of Insane Diego and Surrounding Waters, becomes Sir Ronald Gardner, Viscount of Insane Diego and Surrounding Waters. And Sir Goon becomes Baron Sir Dr. Goon.

And we congratulate both of you. And we'd like to welcome our fresh PhD candidates up here at the dais. Come on up here. Duke of Central Florida, Jason Adams, Rodney Lillibridge, Robert Knutson, Brian Teleki, Ernest Flores, Anonymous, Sherelle Patterson, Amy McDaniel, Timothy McKay, QQ, Kevin Stevenson, Sir Moskovitz, Matthew Gebhardt, Lee North, Evgeny Damaskin, Sir Jim Watts, Baron of Whistler, and Zachary Michael. Welcome, new no agenda MD, PhD, to the Society of Learned Persons. The path to this high academic honor for some of you has been a long one and costly one.

Some of the price has been paid for by your hard-earned wisdom and some in other ways. But today is not the end. No, it is only a beginning. From this point forward, go forth and spread the No Agenda word far and wide. We will not be silenced. We will not be deterred. The truth is out there. Now go and find it!

You always laugh at me. It's actually getting a little better because you're so dramatic. I'm working on it. I'm working on it. Hey, we also have some dames and knights. It's a good day here at the OK Corral. Bring out that sword. I got it.

I got the big one. Oh, yeah. You're the size of this thing. Sherelle Patterson, Susie, Brian Teleki, Anonymous, Timothy McKay, Kevin Stevenson, Zachary Michael, and Robert Knutson. Please join us here on the podium. You're all now official dames and knights of the Noah Jenner Roundtable. I'm very proud to pronounce Kate V. as Dame Realistic of the Sierra Foothills, Dame Susie Boot Scooter of the Nature Coast, Sir Dr. Otter of the Freshwater, Sir Geese Mill of the Four Corners, the Militarized Zone,

coast sir dr otter of the freshwater sir geese mill of the four corners demilitarized zone sir cordwainer of your sir trs 80s sir khan 1984 and sir bobby j the k for you we've got hookers and blow rent boys and chardonnay along with um plain seltzer water grass-fed ribeyes and rice sazaracs blantons and carrot cake and of course you've got the mutton and meat. Woo, man, what a lot of activity we have here today. Please go to noagendarings.com and give us your ring size and address where we can send it. PhDs also go to noagendarings.com. You'll see in the menu that you can fill out the official name you'd like listed on your PhD. It will be sent to you, and give us an address for that. And the ring recipients obviously it

comes with the wax to seal your official correspondence and your official certificate of authenticity thank you all for becoming knights and dames of the no agenda round table well amazingly there are a couple of meetups that are taking place this week tomorrow to be exact but first we have a report from the san francisco meetup uh hello this is lavish reporting to you live from the san francisco meetup at sunset reservoir brewing this is sir recalcitrant crazy steve the second and just letting you know we're bombing, bombing, and bombing them again. This is Sir Paul, Lack Knight of the Bay Area, at my first meetup. This is Baroness Sarah Rupert,

listener from episode one. I'm here with the original sucker baby, Violet. And this is her better half, Jonathan Rupert, first time meetup in the morning. Captain Luke here. Thank you for your courage. This is a dude named Ben, named Ben, kind of San Francisco, exploring all the beers San Francisco has to offer.

Baronette Boyle here, drinking the beers. In the morning. Yeah, I can tell you that in the morning sounded like it was done after some of the beers. Yeah. Here's what we have coming up tomorrow. No agenda meetup wise. We have the Fort Worth Thanksgiving recovery meetup at 1 o'clock at Flip's Patio Grill. Weather permitting, it'll be

outside Fort Worth, Texas. And also tomorrow, Flight of the No Agenda You Can Never Go Wrong with Beer and Tacos Meetup. That'll be at 3.33pm Pacifico Tortilla Cantina in Torrance, California. Of course, Leo Bravo, he does all of those out there. And then there's this huge list

that MimiNoTooManyEggs.com sent. It's not that big. And I'm just going to mention a couple of them. November 30th, Tilburg, the Netherlands. We got Higginom, Connecticut on December 2nd. Remember, Indianapolis Indy. Hello, Indy. Curry and the Keeper are coming your way on December the 4th.

We got Houston on December the 9th. Fredericksburg, Virginia on the 9th. We got Epping, New Hampshire on the 16th. This is in December. Charlotte, North Carolina, December 21st. We got them all the way up until Christmas. No agenda meetups. You deserve to go to one of these.

It is the perfect companion to the No Agenda podcast where you get to meet people, hang out with them, feel good, communicate with human beings. No AI allowed. And of course, connection is protection. Go to no agenda meetups.com if you can't find one near you start one yourself it's easy and always a party sometimes you wanna go hang out with all the nights and days

you wanna be where you won't be triggered or held to You want to be where everybody feels the same. It's like a party. All right, I only have two ISOs, so I'll just go first with my ISOs. Here's the first one. Yeah, okay. And here's the second one. Don't believe Joe Biden ever. I could not resist.

That's a cutie. I could not resist. Okay, I've got four. All of them pretty decent. BS, BS is the top one. Bullshit. It's all bullshit. Wait a minute.

Who is this? I recognize it. Bullshit. It's all bullshit. It's Trump. Yes. Okay. It's Trump.

Yeah. Then we have a classic bye. Bye. Oh, I don't like the ending, but okay. And then we have the sound effect, which I appreciate it. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yes.

Good ending for a Thanksgiving show. And I think this is probably the best one, which is thank God. Thank God it's over. Yeah. Okay. I'm is probably the best one, which is thank God. Thank God it's over. Okay, I'm with you on that one. I'm with you. That's a good one. We'll take that one. And now it's time for...

Google U with JCD. All right. I do have a good news clip. Of course you have a good news clip because it's your beat and you need to do it. Well, this is, unfortunately, is a long clip and then it has a little follow kicker. A good news clip can never get too much good news. Well, this is good news for people with alopecia. And now to a story that is positively San Diego.

A student at OLPR, Lady of Peace in North Park, has just won the highest Girl Scout honor called the Gold Award, and it's for her dedication, leadership, and commitment to making a difference in her community. ABC 10 News reporter Perla Shaheen joins us now live from North Park. Perla, you had a chance to talk to this young woman about

her struggle with alopecia, and how she's turning all of it into a positive. Well, Jared, we met right she's turning all of it into a positive. Well, Jared, we met right here at the Academy of Our Lady of Peace. This is her high school. And let me tell you, sitting in front of a 17-year-old who is so well-spoken and so accomplished was extremely impressive. And this tote bag that I'm carrying is just one part of her mission to spread awareness around alopecia. It's a disease that causes sudden and severe hair loss. At 14 years old, Gabriela Cimino started losing large patches of hair on her scalp.

Losing my hair, my thick hair, was scary. Cimino had just started high school at Our Lady of Peace near University Heights. Doctors assumed the sudden balding was correlated to stress. It takes a toll on your mental health, your self-confidence. You feel very alone. Finally, in May of 2021, Semino was diagnosed with alopecia areata. She turned to a Girl Scout troop for support, but no one understood the disease. Looking through the photos online, and there were only pictures of middle-aged men

with bald spots in their beards or their heads. I didn't really feel represented. This is the Project Alopecia tote bag. So Semino decided to use her Girl Scout Gold Award project as an opportunity to raise awareness of the disease. She started a health and wellness fair at her school giving women the opportunity to donate their hair. And she created tote bags filled with educational pamphlets and books that students could pick up to learn more about alopecia. Each of those tote bags were put into every school in the Diocese of San Diego. Her work was so profound, the Girl Scouts recognized her with the Gold Award. It's their highest honor, and only a short list of members are awarded. Wow. I mean, not just good news, but good news with a gold award. It's their highest honor and only a short list of members are awarded.

Wow. I mean, not just good news, but good news with a tote bag. With a tote bag. I mean, and you have a second part to this good news? There's a little second part that kind of wraps it. Oh, wow. Oh, this is fantastic. How did it feel when you had earned it? It was definitely fulfillment,

a lot of accomplishment, a lot of gratitude that I actually experienced everything. I turned a negative into a positive and I would never go back. In just a week, Gabby is going to start her senior year here at Our Lady of Peace. And she plans to continue this work in college. And then she will join the gold award ceremony for the girl scouts next year live in north park perla shaheen abc 10 news wow well john i i can only say you've just you've outdone yourself good news and a tote bag a good news story from jcd happy vibes for you and me. And we all feel better now he's done his bit.

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Time to wrap up the news. I mean, it's the time to wrap up the news like I'm wrapping up the song. Happy Thanksgiving, New York City. As your plant-based-centered mayor, I'ma eat a plant-based-centered lifestyle, even on a holiday. Y'all eatin' turkey and ham while I am eatin' tofurkey and yams. Enjoy your meat while you can. We already had meatless Mondays in school. Then I run Vegan Fridays.

And we going to keep trying to make all y'all plant-based. But if y'all still got to eat meat, the FDA just approved live-grown chicken for human consumption. And if y'all still not satisfied with that, we gonna make y'all eat crickets and cockroaches. Like I said, enjoy that roast while you can. Y'all gonna be eating rats. In all the history

of respiratory-borne viruses of any type, asymptomatic transmission has never been the driver of outbreaks. The driver of outbreaks is always the symptomatic person.

The models in the 90s. The numbers are quite clear. 666 severe side effects. We keep having 666. A little bit slow, but hey. That was the worst answer he's ever given for any question. A sick person.

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