No Agenda - 1667 - "Heavy Tail"

Episode Date: June 9, 2024

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I'm washed up! Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak. It's Sunday, June 9, 2024. The show award-winning Give On Nation Media assassination episode 1667. This is No Agenda. Defying climate despair and broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas snow country here in FEMA Region Number 6. In the morning everybody, I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley where we all agree that Eric Sean on Fox is annoying.

I'm John C. DeVorek. It's Crackpot and Buzzkill. In the morning. Eric who? Yeah, he's been there 25 years. Eric Sean? Yeah. I've never even heard of this guy.

Yeah, he shows up a lot more than he used to, but he's been there forever. He's, he is the Trump hitman. And he, if you see a picture of him, he looks like an IRS agent who never got promoted. I, honestly, I, I don't have a cable anymore. Oh, yeah, that kind of ruins it, doesn't it? Yeah. So you don't get Fox? Well, I have YouTube TV, so I guess I could watch it on the...

Well, YouTube TV has Fox. I know. But I only have that, you know, for a backup in case there's something I really need to watch. Now, ever since Tucker left, Fox became uninteresting. And I think that's when it all went downhill and they just became, you know, lame. They were already kind of lame. But isn't that all that we ever watched? Did you, what do you watch Fox and Friends in the morning? No, I watch, if I watch Fox, I watch Gutfeld, number one. Oh yeah, of course you do. Yeah, that's good. Yeah. And then I might watch the five. Maybe.

I think also ever since Jesse Waters took over like the primetime spot, it's like, I'm just done. It's like, he's goofy. He is goofy. He's goofy. You know, at least if Tucker, at least we could watch and say, let's see if he has what we had three days ago. Yeah. A month ago.

No, he did. I started to catch up. It started to become like Sunday and then Monday or Tuesday. Yeah, well, he started catching up. They had to get rid of him. Yeah, exactly. He got too close to the truth. Exactly right. Well, as we predicted, as we predicted on Thursday, the heat dome is here! Coast to coast tonight, scorching triple digit temperatures from California to Florida. Across the West, 15 million people under a heat dome. All this as Noah says carbon dioxide is accumulating faster than ever in the atmosphere. Notice that has nothing to do with the heat dome, but Noah just says that on, you know,

we'll just associate it. Where'd you get this from? Why would you throw carbon dioxide? It's got nothing to do with this. This is NBC, baby. Oxide is accumulating faster. Yeah, listen, all this as Noah says. Under a heat dome, all this as Noah says,

carbon dioxide is accumulating faster than ever in the atmosphere, acting like a blanket over the earth and warming the planet. Ooh, a blanket over the earth and warming the planet. Ooh, a blanket over the earth. New data released by the EU finds globally the last 12 months have each been the hottest ever on record. We need to take extreme heat very seriously. People are dying. People are dying, man. It's cold here. Stop the presses. It's cold and right now the temperatures, cold kind of cold but it's 56 or so

and the heat dome was here for two days the fog rolled in it's been colder this year than it was last year another record-breaking cold for the Bay Area who are we kidding? I love how riled up you get over this. That's because they lie. No they're not lying they're saying there's a heat dome and then she says all this as Noah says that there's more carbon dioxide. Has nothing to do with the heat dome but then she brings in the blanket. The blanket is killing people. But that's NBC. How about the elitist voices from NPR? The heat dome is a big pocket of high pressure that locks in heat. Okay, what is the connection between climate change generally and this specific heat event?

Didn't you want to know this? Wouldn't you be interested? So there's never been a high pressure system in the history of mankind until climate change. No, 1936 we had a very big... No way. Yes, it was one of the most severe heat waves. It took place in the middle of the Great Depression and the Dust Bowl. 1936. 1936 when we didn't have any climate change back then, or maybe we did, I don't know, but it was the same temperature. But now this high pressure system, which as far as I can tell has nothing to do with carbon dioxide, has everything to do with carbon dioxide according to NPR. They're intimately connected, Steve.

They're intimately connected. They're making love out there on the beach. Generally and this specific heat event. They're intimately connected, Steve. Humans burn oil and gas and coal. It releases carbon dioxide. Are we going to get through anything today? Are you just one of those moves?

No, not being able to play these sorts of clips. This is good stuff, man. This is why we're here, so people can feel good about knowing that they're being bull crapped. It releases carbon dioxide and other planet warming gases, those gases, they accumulate in the atmosphere over the course of decades and all that excess gas traps heat and that directly leads to higher temperatures worldwide. Directly.

It helps drive these extreme heat events where the temperature gets... Even she's kind of waffling around. It's like, okay, so carbon dioxide, according to her, heats up the air, but has nothing to do with the heat dome. It directly leads to higher temperatures worldwide. It helps drive these extreme heat events, where the temperature gets really high and stays really high like what we're seeing. And in fact, scientists can say that the most intense heat waves that are happening right

now would be literally impossible without human caused climate change. So literally impossible. Literally. And that does include the dust bowl. Literally impossible without scorched the earth and resulted in everyone from Oklahoma moving to California in the thirties, not Texas, part of a worldwide depression. Yeah, nothing like that. No, no, no, nothing like that. Literally impossible. It's a really close connection.

Our news here is that... It's a really close connection. Oh, lady. That carbon dioxide levels are hitting a record. Many people who follow this are aware that the United States has been cutting its greenhouse gas emissions. How does that work?

Mm-hmm. Yeah. What? She went, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. States has been cutting its greenhouse gas emissions. How does that work? Yeah. What? She went, mm. States has been cutting its greenhouse gas emissions. Yeah, yeah, that did happen. But the decrease is quite small. This was last year. And two years before that, the US emissions

actually increased each year. So the bigger picture here is that, one, the US decrease in emissions is not that big, and two, a lot of other countries are not cutting their emissions. So altogether, it's definitely not enough on its own to reverse this trend of CO2 accumulation now. Yeah, there is the question of the rest of the world, which is the majority of the world's people and the majority of the economic activity.

No, no, no. We've got to kill the cows. We've got to eat bugs. Or is there something else we can do, Rebecca Herscher? So how is the carbon dioxide level measured? Well, scientists continuously measure CO2 in the atmosphere and every single year the peaks- How?

How, he said, how? CO2 amount sets a new record because humans keep adding more CO2 faster than it can break down. How? This has been happening since scientists started measurements in 1958. And because scientists are able to use other methods as well to estimate how much CO2 was Oh, it's an estimation. See, she didn't answer the question.

She said, how do they do it? Well, they've got other methods, they estimate models, perhaps? And because scientists are able to use other methods as well to estimate how much CO2 was in the atmosphere. Others than what? I don't know. Which is other than what? It's NPR, man.

Estimate how much CO2 was in the atmosphere going back millennia. We can actually say with confidence that there's more carbon dioxide in the atmosphere now than there has been in millions of years. Millions, millions. I don't think so. Millions of years. Millions, millions. Millions, I don't think so. Millions of years. The dinosaurs had, what, 10 times as much carbon dioxide

so they could actually survive? Millions. Well, it wasn't for the dinosaurs' benefit, it was for plants. You have that much carbon dioxide, plants go nuts. You need big, giant plants for the dinosaurs to eat. Yes, that's why, yes, giant. Then there has been in millions.

Even this guy's going millions? Millions of years. Millions of years. Millions. Okay, so how high is this number? Well, the exact number is 426.9 parts per million of CO2 in the atmosphere. That may not sound like a lot, parts per million, but the Earth is really, really sensitive to CO2 in the atmosphere.

Does it sound like a lot? It's 0.04%. Are you kidding me? Yes, of which the US is really, really sensitive to changes in the atmosphere. A little bit of extra CO2 chops a lot of heat. What really sticks out is that this number is significantly higher than last year. It was a really, really big jump. So really, really big. Really, really big. The CO2 in the atmosphere is actually accelerating.

Rebecca, thanks for the update. Really appreciate it. Thanks so much. Here's Rebecca Hershey. Bullshit. Massive bull crap. Massive. The problem with that clip and everything else that you've been hearing is the clip I have.

This is the problem, eh? Which I find to be very distressing. We haven't talked about this too much. It does come up in the conversation. But this is the clip about the psychological effects. This is typical, the psychological effects of lying to the public about all this stuff in a negative way, this is the climate effects on children.

A child born today will live an entire life shaped by climate change. But a new report in the journal, The Lancet, finds that children may not be getting due consideration in a country's climate adaptation policies. NPR's Alejandra Burunda has more. Most countries in the world now have written plans for how to deal with climate change. But when a team of researchers looked at 160 of them, they found a notable gap. About a quarter didn't have any policy goals specifically aimed at helping and protecting children, and none had any plans to address the growing problem of climate-related anxiety amongst young people. Another recent analysis found that nearly

60% of kids surveyed worldwide were very or extremely worried about climate change. The researchers suggest getting kids directly involved in climate policy decisions since it's their lives that will be most affected. Oh yeah, let the kids get involved. Yeah, I think the climate change PR company has been working because Time magazine, or time.com, I should say, also had quite the article. They called it climate despair. also had quite the article, they only they called it climate despair. Yes, that's what the kids are experiencing climate despair. How did they get this way? Of course, from the teachers, from the teachers who were sied out by this nonsense.

The other idiots that are ruining their lives. So the time, it starts off, forget climate anxiety. Many people are in flat out climate despair. Hands up trolls if you're in climate despair. Let me see all the hands. According to this article, two thirds of Americans, 65%, report being worried about global warming, which of course we know every single poll

puts it at the bottom. They're like, how about the economy? That's a good point. How about all these polls do come out during the election periods and climate change is not up there. If the threat is existential is there value in sorting out how you feel about it? The very first step is full validation says Leslie Leslie Davenport, a climate psychology educator, oh boy, and author of books including Emotional Resilience in the Era of Climate Change, a Clinician's Guide. And she has seven handy tips.

As it says here, climate-aware therapists here share their most effective coping strategy from going from overwhelmed to empowered. Are you interested in hearing some tips on how to... Yes and no. What's the no part? Is that this is a terrible thing to be discussing, but I think you should at least roll out these fabulous tips that I'm sure should be at the top of everyone's list of things to do

Okay, first of all top of the list talk about it. Oh That's what we're doing. We're number one Yes, climate change tends to get the religion and politics treatment people avoid talking about it. Join it. Don't here's Here's here's a here's a part of this tip is join a climate cafe. Hello? Is there? What? Join a climate cafe.

These are discussion spaces, both online and in person, where people can talk freely about their fears and other feelings related to climate change. Oh, it's like sensitivity training. I think all I know is... This encounter group. This may be as popular as the internet cafes of the early 90s. Get yourself a climate cafe.

Or you could change the Good Grief Network, which is a peer support group that follows a 10-step approach. Well, we've gone from seven to ten. No, no, no. This is, we're still number one. Number two is use your connections. Use your connections.

Because you know connection. Because connection is protection. Yes, right. And it will save us from climate change. Is that what they said? Well, if you have connections, you won't have climate change. What are they talking about? Research suggests that the lonelier

and more socially isolated someone feels the higher their levels of climate distress. So find- Really? It seems to me if somebody's completely out of the loop, they won't even know about this. You've got to find your people, which is of course, noagendameetups.com.

We've got number one and number two. You could also join local land restoration efforts, get involved with community gardening. Why don't you just put a garden in your backyard? Oh, wait, these are all apartment dwellers we're talking about who are all into this because they can't afford a house because they're sitting around fretting about climate change instead of doing some work. Number three, analyze your carbon footprint. This will help.

How is that going to help? Some people cope with climate distress by distancing themselves from the problem. They ignore it, hoping it will just go away. It's more effective to take the energy of all those emotions and redirect them into constructive action. You can use an online calculator to track your carbon footprint. You'll feel better about yourself. Is that what it says?

Yes, yes. What about cutting CO2 emissions by taking the train instead of an airplane? Be honest with yourself. Number three on the list, share your... Has anyone done a calculation of what a train must to build and operate in terms of carbon footprint compared to a plane? I just love doing these with you. You know, Gutfeld should be ashamed of himself. He hasn't had you on the show yet. You'd be awesome. Number three, share your views. This is no time for humility.

Make sure everyone around you knows that you're going to combat climate change. If you're surrounded by people who- Wow, that's a good one. Wear the t-shirt. If you're surrounded by people who don't appear to prioritize the environment as much as you do, lead by example rather than trying to change their minds. Grow fruits and vegetables.

Share them with your neighbors. That's a good idea. We're on to the next point. Make it a family affair. This is how you really get to the kids. Research suggests that climate change is especially you really get to the kids. Research suggests that climate change is especially affecting young people's mental health. If your kids are coming to you with concerns, slap them upside the head, tell them to knock it off. Oh wait, that's

not what it says. If your kids are coming to you with concerns, listen and validate them. Then get imaginative about how your whole family can take action together. Can you imagine this, what you just described? Actually somebody doing this. What, slapping the kid upside down? The kid comes up, he's worried sick because he's just got out of school. He's worried sick, he's fretting, he's hand wringing, he or she,

hand wringing, crying perhaps about the climate. And then you're going to validate this. Yeah, oh yeah. Oh, this is what you do. This is what you do. Get artsy is the next one on the list. Yes. Making art can help people regulate and work through their emotions. You're doing patterned repetitive movements and getting into a flow state. Tell them to code. It's calming. Learn to code. That's right. It's calming. Learn to code. Get into the flow state of coding. You can use colors, shapes, and

lines to express how you're feeling. Wow, really? Yes. Final one on the list. Savor time outside. Yes. Spending time outside in green spaces will benefit your well-being. Love and grief are two sides of the same coin. Yes. So there's some kind of PR movement. Fabulous advice. You should have saved that to the end of the show. It could have been our tip. No, it's my turn for the tip of the day. So I got a tip of the show, it could have been our tip. No, I got, it's my turn for the tip of the day. So I got a tip of the day.

Oh, I have a tip. No, no, no. We can do both two tips. No, no. Dueling tips. No, you said it was my turn to do the tip. You made this quite quick. No, I said you have to start doing, yes, I didn't quite say that, but it's fine if you

have a tip. All right, we'll both do a tip at the end of the show. It'll be a dueling tip of the day, but only, only the tip. I like dueling tip of the day. All right, we'll both do a tip at the end of the show. It'll be a dueling tip of the day, but only, only the tip. I like dueling tip of the day. All right, we'll do dueling. And then we should do a vote off. Okay, sounds good. Speaking of traumatizing, terrorizing your kids,

there is some actual good news, good news. And this comes from, of course, you're not gonna hear much about it. They had a press conference and well, there was a little clip somewhere, but that was about it. The American College of Pediatrics came out with a press conference. This was a little bit like the, who were the doctors during COVID who went on the steps of the Senate? Who were the doctors during COVID who went on the steps of the Senate? Remember then they all had the lab coats on? I'm trying to think of what they were called.

Yeah, that a kind of good name. It's like doctors. Yeah, it was a cute name. Doctors for real doctors. They were real doctors. Actual doctors. Oh, frontline. The frontline doctors?

Frontline, yeah. It's not like frontline something, something. Was it the frontline? The frontline doctors? Frontline, yes. Something like frontline something, something. So this is kind of similar. They have a woman spokesperson. Everyone has their lab coats on that they've got emblems. They look official. They are official.

They've released a whole lot of survey data and here's what they had to say. And we have serious concerns about the physical and mental health effects of the current protocols promoted for the care of children and adolescents in the United States who express discomfort with their biological sex. This declaration was authored by the American College of Pediatricians, but really it was developed from the expertise of hundreds of doctors, researchers, and other health care workers and leaders who for years have been sounding the alarm on the harmful protocols that continue to be promoted by the medical organizations in the United States. Goals!

Despite recent revelations from the leaked WPATH files and the recent release of the final report from the CAS review, these medical organizations have not changed course. So we are calling on these medical organizations of the United States, including the American Academy of Pediatrics, the Endocrine Society, the Pediatric Endocrine Society, the American Medical Association, the American Psychological Association, and the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry to follow the science and their European colleagues and immediately stop the promotion of social affirmation, puberty blockers, cross-sex hormones, and surgeries for children and adolescents who

experience distress over their biological sex. In our declaration, we affirm that sex is a dimorphic, innate trait defined in relation to an organism's biological role in reproduction, male and female. This genetic signature is present in every nucleated somatic cell in the body, and is not altered by drugs or surgical interventions. Consideration of these innate differences is critical to the practice of good medicine and to the development of sound policy for children and adults alike. Medical decision-making should be based upon an individual's biological sex. It should respect biological reality and the dignity of the person by compassionately addressing the whole person. We are here to find the claims made

by these medical organizations in the US that those of us who are concerned are a minority and that their protocols are consensus. They are not consensus and we are speaking in a loud unified voice enough. Enough, amen. Amen to that. Enough. I saw this. Did you see it? At the same time this was going on, there was that weird,

a drag queen female or a guy, I don't know what it was, at the Texas Democrat Convention. Oh yeah. Pretty much saying the exact same opposite. This is hopeless. The problem is, pretty much saying the exact same opposite. This is hopeless. The problem is, the way I see it, with people like Kaiser Foundation and all these health organizations, is that this is a moneymaker. Bonanza. It's a bonanza. And so what if the kids are scarred for life or they commit suicide three years later? Who cares? Their money to be made from these processes is too much. And then these people that are involved with this group here that you just played will all be rebuked.

The, uh, trying to break us here. At the same time, what I found a little maybe even more interesting is that, um, the covenant school Tennessee, uh, shooter, Audrey Hale, Audrey Hale, they recovered a journal, the Tennessee Star reprinted pieces of it. Yeah. Just to preface what you're going to say, we had one of the police doing that investigation contact us and we played a, or I discussed this,

or read from his note. Yeah, we discussed it. He had already seen the entire thing, and it was horrendous. Well, the part that is interesting, these are, so this is not the manifesto, but this is part of this child's journal. And I'll just quote from the piece here.

Later, Hale wrote, I will be of no use of love for any girl if I don't have what they need, a boy's body, a male gender. Next to these remarks, Hale illustrated the words, everything hurts, which she used repeatedly throughout the journal. While the source of Hale's purported discomfort is unclear, musculoskeletal pain is a possible

side effect of medication that was prescribed to Hale by staff at the Vanderbilt University Medical Center. Of course, who knows what that was. But in addition to this pain, the National Institutes of Health explains the side effects of that medication. The anti-anxiety drug Buspirone include abnormal dreams, outbursts of anger, tremors and physical weakness. It was additionally prescribed eschatolopram, better known as Lexapro. And medical news today explains that using the depression drug with buciprone could, could quote, increase the risk of the side effects, which is outbursts of anger, et cetera.

Stop putting kids on these drugs. Let's start with that. Oh, that's no good. That's costing us money. We got a boot. Did you see the email from our, I asked him if I could read some of this, from our producer who was in the testing industrial complex during COVID, speaking of money, the bonanza that it was,

it was a very long email. I don't know if you read it. I didn't see it. He says, the company I work for had the contracts to test about 225,000 students and staff on a weekly basis. This was the Los Angeles United School District. Unified. Unified. And the contracts to test half of the LAUSD for one school year was how much do you think

that was? $750 million. $750 million. I'm a little low. Just a tad. Another company had the contract to test the other half. When it started, we had 800 healthcare workers flown in, living in hotel rooms in and around Los Angeles, getting $87 per diem. So each day you get 87 bucks to do stuff with.

At the time, we were the largest US customer for Hertz rent a car with nearly 500 vehicles. Eventually, to help the economy, we transitioned to all local employees hired as temporary W-2s. At the end, we had 1200 employees on the project. The lab we contracted with was in Oakland, California. So, twice a day, Monday through Friday, samples were flown from Van Nuys Airport up to Oakland by a contracted company using their own aircraft. And then he goes on to say about, he says, working with the LA USD was a nightmare. As you can imagine, the DEI bullshit was off the charts. Both the LA USD and company I worked for suffered mightily from the incompetence inherent to

DEI. Literal effing idiots, toxic paranoid narcissists. When O'Biden's vax mandate came down, their true fascist nature was exposed. I had to fire people who did not want the poison vax because LAUSD did not want the unclean in their schools. And then our Boots on the Ground producer has his own confession. He says, I know I will burn in hell for what I did, which I am ashamed to admit I did out of greed. Of course. I love that he's, you know, you will not brother, you will not pray for you.

Having never made a lot of money and in the previous 10 years living outside the normal financial system and only making about $24,000 a year, I'm ashamed to say the temptation of $250,000 a year was too much to withstand. I knew all about the Nuremberg code but on every occasion I attempted to discuss with my superiors I was rebuffed. I still have a lump on my head from banging it against the wall in frustration on an hourly basis. Any attempt to improve operations or efficiency had to be measured against the potential loss of revenue. So the more inefficient and the more people required, the more money my company made. Remember that contract was for up to $750 million, no way in hell they would leave money on

the table. So that's it. That's really what is happening with these trans kids. That's what's happening with the entire pharmaceutical system, the system, the system itself, the system. And yes, of course there are good doctors. I got a sweet note from one of our doctors who said, we're not all horrible. No, of course you're not. We're generalizing. It's not the doctor's fault. Usually it's the protocols. The doctors have to go, especially if they're working for some organization, they have to follow the protocols or they'll just simply get fired. That's why ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine and all that stuff was thrown out the door

because no, no, no, it's not in a protocol. You can't do it. And you couldn't get emergency use authorization if there was something that could fix the problem. And then we come to the VAX. This morning, Chiefs defensive end BJ Thompson recovering following a medical emergency. Sources say the 25 year old Thompson appeared to suffer a seizure and go into cardiac arrest during a team meeting Thursday. One earl head drive cardiac arrest. There is a doctor on site and CPR is in progress

at this time. Team doctors and trainers working to stabilize the young player before an ambulance rushed him to a nearby hospital. The chief's canceling practice but not offering any official comment. How critical are those first few minutes post-cardiac event? The first few minutes and even seconds are critical. We know that every second that the heart is not pumping blood as it should to the brain and the rest of the body, the probability of having a good outcome

declines precipitously. As a rookie defensive lineman, Thompson played in one game last season, showing promise on a team that took home yet another Super Bowl championship. His college coach writing prayers up for SFA football's own BJ Thompson. Thankful for the Chiefs medical team as the rapid and excellent response

made the difference. Now you've been following sports ball for many many years. Have you ever seen this many cardiac arrests? It's happening commonly. There's actually a whole sub stackstack column dedicated to this. I think I sent you one of these once in a, every once in a while I send you one, because it has too many people in it. The last time he did one, I can't remember the name, I'll have to get the name up, put it in the tips. Yeah, tips, put it in the tips, yes.

But it's, the guy follows all this and he recently just did all these celebrities that were rock and roll musicians that are starting to drop left and right or having these heart attacks just out of the blue. And it's pretty… Well, I have a series of clips from Peter McCullough coming up later. Can I play the payoff to this one and then we can actually go to McCullough coming up later? Can I play the payoff to this one? And then we can actually go to McCullough. Actually, I have an inner, it's something in the middle that should probably be played first.

Okay, all right. Yeah, I want the payoff. What's the payoff? Oh, well, do you wanna play your in the middle clip or do you want me to? No, no, no, the inner middle clip is light. Well, the question, the experts are stumped. They cannot. They're always stumped, they cannot...

They're always stumped. They cannot figure out... They're experts, by the way. They know everything about everything, but for some reason this situation stumps them. They don't understand the cancers, they don't understand the cardiac issues. They're getting right, turbo-cancers. Turbo-cancers. Aggressive turbo-. Turbo cancer. They just- Aggressive turbo cancers.

They just don't- Is it something in the food? Is it something environmental? Is it stress? Trans fats. Here's the latest. We turn to a health alert now in a study released today, raising concerns about a popular sugar substitute. And Thompson is here.

And what are we learning? Lester, this is the latest study to find a link between a common sugar substitute and cardiovascular issues. Xylitol is in all sorts of things like sugar-free gum, candy, baked goods, even toothpaste. So now it's the xylitol that's doing it. And by the way, xylitol has been in the public domain as a sweetener. For how long? For an undigestible sweetener basically, that's sugary.

I remember first hearing about it 30 years ago. Where were all the heart attacks then? Well Newsweek reports, the latest, because these highlights all, I mean people can't remember the name even. No, no. Energy drinks are linked to sudden cardiac arrest. There it is. Oh, that's new on the scene.

The researchers at the Mayo Clinic have warned that drinking these beverages, which often contain high amounts of caffeine and other stimulating ingredients, can be dangerous for people with genetic heart disease. Yes. So they examined 144 sudden cardiac arrest survivors. Seven patients within this group had consumed one or more energy drinks near to the time of the cardiac event. So, you

could drink a monster and keel over dead. When are we going to wake up as a civilization and go… Nobody's waking up. You're… Again. No, no, no. Clearly… Nobody's waking up. There's No, no, no. Clearly. Nobody's waking up. There's too much money. Money, money, money.

There's 900,000 people who listen to this show. They're waking up. They're like, hey, wait a minute, I'm awake. Well, 900,000, that's one in 300, less than one in 300 people. Well, if everybody tells 300 friends, the whole country will be blanking. They'd be rich. I wish they would. All right. You're up to bat.

Okay. Well, here, this is a little break in the action before we get to some more serious stuff. This is interesting because this is an Ask Adam. Oh, hold on a second. Oh, I wasn't, I was not prepared. All right. You have an Ask Adam. Yeah, hold on. You, I mean, you're doing these and I wasn't I was not prepared. All right. You have an ask Adam. Yeah, hold on. You mean you're doing these and I wasn't quite you know, we haven't been. Yeah, I get it. Answer the question. Go play the jingle. Answer the question. Okay, so I got the ask Adam question.

Yes. Do I play it now? Yeah. Okay, one of the country's most famous doctors is getting some long awaited recognition. Okay. One of the most famous. Now you know who this is. It can only be one of two people. It can only be one of two people. And this is on, this is NPR. So it's very important. Yes. Okay. Who are the one if who do you think it? Okay. I'll give you the two. What are they? Okay. It's either the truly most important doctor in, oh, I'm sorry. There's four. I'll give them to you in order of appearance. One, Dr. Peter McCullough, two, Dr. Drew, three, Dr. Fauci, and four, Dr. Bill, three Dr. Fauci, and four Dr. Bill Jieden.

Well, you're damn close. Okay, all right. I have two answers here apparently. Which one do we play? Well, you play the number one, which is the second one's just a follow-up. Getting some long awaited recognition. I drink Dr. Pepper and I'm proud.

I'm proud. I'm part of an original crowd. Oh no. Dr. Pepper just surpassed Pepsi to become the second most popular carbonated beverage in America. Coca-Cola is still number one. Coca-Cola Classic has about 19% of the carbonated soft drink market in the US.

Dwayne Stanford is the editor and publisher of Beverage Digest. So then in second place you've got Dr. Pepper with an 8.3 share. Which is now a carbonated bubbler two ahead of Pepsi. Dr. Pepper, so misunderstood, it tastes different. Now Dr. Pepper used to market itself as the plucky underdog of soft drinks, but is actually older than Coke or Pepsi. It was invented in Waco, Texas in 1885.

That's right. It started off as a regional brand in the Southwest, and it grew over the years, and it's a major national player. Which Wayne Stanford credits to Dr. Pepper's targeted marketing. They've gone really big on college football. On any given weekend during the championship bowl series, you'll see Dr. Pepper. There you are. College football playoff trophy. Said it by Dr. Pepper. You're like the great god of trophies. Classic. This out drink also has a strong presence on TikTok where Dr. Prepper and Pickles

has become a thing. Here's TikToker Anna Grace Sims. The pickles are in there. I even put some pickle juice in there for good measure. And here goes the Dr. Prepper. It's not bad. All right, I'm very disappointed in myself for a number of reasons. One, I forgot to mention Dr. Johnny Fever, one of the most important doctors in America. Two, every single No Agenda show, I consume a seven and a half fluid ounce can of Dr. Pepper. That's why I knew it was established in 1885 because it says it right on the can. And it has 23 authentic blends of flavors.

Yes. Do you know the ingredients of a Dr. Pepper? There's a little more, what? Do you know the ingredients of a Dr. Pepper? No, I do not. Carbonated water, high fructose corn syrup. Oh, it's got high fructose corn syrup. That's no good. Caramel color phosphoric acid natural and artificial flavors

sodium benzoate Caffeine and it's produced under the authority of dr. Pepper 7up ink Hall of Fame label. All right. There you go Frisco. No, there's a good little aside. It's also a little more father. First of all, this is a native ad Do you think? I've been finding native ads on NPR more often than not. Interesting. And they go out of their way to promote one product, even though they mentioned the competition, they do a really good job. It makes it sound like it's like, oh, what an interesting story. Yeah, they threw in Coca Cola in there just to...

Yeah, they threw in Coca-Cola in there just to... Well, they couldn't do the story without it saying something. But this is like news, but it's not news. It's a native ad. Somebody bought and paid for this. I didn't do the timing on it, but I'm sure the link is right on the money in some way. And the other thing is that's interesting, and they actually sell this at a store in Marin County. But when Dr. Pepper was sold to 7 Up, the original owners, the family that owns it, were allowed to continue making the original Dr. Pepper.

As Dr. Pibb? It's still called Dr. Pepper. Oh. It has some differences on the label and it tastes better and it's made with sugar and not fructose corn syrup. HFC, yeah, of course. And it's more expensive by a lot.

It's a little bitty bottle, but it's good. And I think it is still being made in Texas in Waco. Waco, yeah, Waco is the OG. So you can look it up. You can probably drink that instead of that crap You're drinking. Well, you're right because it could give me a cardiac arrest We always think any minute so I could go so if you want to finish off the native ad with more details Here we go. Can't wait. It's weird, but it's not bad. Now. That's a standard for you We're take her word for it. But not bad.

Dwayne Stanford says Dr. Pepper has gained ground also because of the choices by the rival it just passed. Pepsi has invested more in their zero sugar offerings and not as much in Pepsi Cola. They believe that's the future when it comes to carbonated soft drinks. So Pepsi Cola's down, Dr. Pepper is up, and Stanford anticipates Dr. Pepper will stay in second place. So cheers to Dr. Pepper, but okay, the pickles.

I know. The pickles. Yeah. Yeah. I'm a pepper, he's a pepper, she's a pepper, we're a pepper, wouldn't you like to be a pepper too? It's still in my head from when I was six years old. Dynamite. That's a good one, John.

That's what jingles are good for. Wait until you hear the tip of the day jingle. I know that the tip of the day is a runaway success because- A runaway success. Yeah, everyone's running away from it. Unlike the good news, I must have 20 tip of the day jingles. So people are liking it, they like the idea, and they're going to have to wait until they get their daily dose of tip. Just the tip. Just the tip.

Well, I know you say no one's going to know your season of reveal is crap. But, but the Supreme Court justices, that's really coming to a head right now. Why? Why? Well, because of the disclosure. You heard about the disclosures? No. Oh, the disclosures. Tonight, Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, for the first time, is officially disclosing a controversial 2019 trip to Bali with billionaire Harlan Crowe.

At the time, Thomas said the trips were a form of personal hospitality that justices did not have to report. Now, his disclosure report said the two trips had been inadvertently omitted from his 2019 report. As for his colleagues, Justice Katanji Brown Jackson reported receiving a $900,000 book advance plus four concert tickets worth $3,700 from pop superstar Beyoncé. And Justice Sonia Sotomayor disclosed $86,000 in book royalties. The Supreme Court adopted a new code of conduct last year, although critics say there's no way to enforce it.

So this is really interesting because of course, going after Clarence Thomas for these trips that he took on someone's private jet, meanwhile, Katanji Jackson Brown gets a $900,000 advance on her book. There's nowhere to go read. Maybe you can explain how book sales work and how you get on the New York Times bestseller list. Well, I can't really explain how you get on the New York Times bestseller list, even though it's, it tends to be just reported sales for a short, very, a very short period of time from, from certain booksellers. And then it's extrapolated and made into the book, the bestsellers.

This is not a genuine reflection of any sales whatsoever, cause there's plenty of independent booksellers that sell a lot of books and that never gets reported in the New York Times in the first place. So that's, so that's something of a promotion of public relations. What I'm nudging towards is you have some friendly group, uh, buy up a whole slew of those books and hand them out at conferences. Yeah, that's very common. In fact, I had this, uh, I busted, I was writing for the deck professional

and I did this column once. Here we go. Is this really for the story? Yeah. So I'm at the media lab with the Hearst Corp. MIT media lab? Yes. Oh.

I got an invite to go, Will Hearst asked me if I wanted to go as a group part of the Hurst Corporation and just hang out with the corporation and the top guys and him and go to the media lab. Do I know this story? I don't think I know this story. Ah, you should. Anyway, so we go to the media lab and unlike reporters, normally when'd go to the media lab and it,

unlike reporters, normally when you go to the media lab, they always make you sign a bunch of nondisclosures, but because they were trying to sell the Hearst corporation on some project, there was no nondisclosures involved because it was just assumed you're not going to be talking about it. And so they, so Frank Bennett was there and Randy Hearst and all these, it was just a bunch of, which I got the, it's a very funny conversations I got to have, and Will and I. And so we go in there and take the whole tour and I get to hear the pitch from Negroponte

about how they've pre-sought the book on the Media Lab, which will be written, I believe, by Stuart Brand. And he bragged about how they're going to, the marketing of this book, and about how they're gonna pre, they sold the book on a pre-sale basis, where you go in there and say, look, publisher, we're gonna sell 50,000 copies of this book

right off the top. We're gonna buy them back from you after they get printed. It was all part of the scheme to get you get become a bestseller and the whole thing. And you give the books away, just what you said. And so we're going through the, and they were still showing us all the crazy inventions they're having. And every time we ask about them, they're always, every invention seems to have been invented in Japan or China, but they're showing all this stuff. But at the very end,

what happened was the final meeting where they're going on about how they could, should do this and that with technology and the examiner folks aren't, or the Hearst corporation folks aren't buying most of it. And then, so there's a kicker, they bring in Marvin Minsky. Was Epstein with him? I don't know. No, he wasn't. But Marvin Minsky comes in and he sits down and immediately recognizes me.

And he gets very upset. And he asks him, what is this guy doing here? What is he doing here? Pretty much what he said because I wasn't non-disclosed. I didn't have to do... You're a hater. You're a troublemaker. You're a troll.

And they kicked me out. Hurston and I both, Will and I both left because it was over anyway, so I already got what I needed. So later in this story, I wrote this up in a Dec professional column, calling out the media lab for getting something of a farce. Dec digital equipment, corporation. They had a magazine. Oh. I had the back cover.

So I wrote this thing up and it was very critical of the whole operation. That's why they wanted you out. No wonder. It took like about three months before all of a sudden, Nagropani was one of the primary publishers, kind of a publisher, I don't know what he really did there, but of Wired magazine. So they immediately did a hit piece on me. Oh, how can you do that? What is there to hit on you?

That's the point. So they sent one of their top hit piece writers, Paulina Borsuk. He's got an old Lexus. He's no good. I mean, what can you do? He likes noisemakers. So they sent her after me and it was like, and first thing I did is I did a little background. She was a vegetarian vegan. So I took her out to dinner at Greens in San Francisco and got to know her. She could not come up with anything. The hit piece became a kind of a bio of me and why are you looking up this around?

And it's so weak. Wow. And it's like they couldn't do it because I'm not hittable. I don't really, I'm not an interesting guy. No one hits on you. I've been around the block. You're not hittable. It's just boring.

Just boring. Potential show title, Will and I. I like that. So anyway, so why, just because why just cause I know a few people, that's for sure. But so that whole thing was a fiasco and it was like, and that's the way it's done, it's phony. I got boots on the ground.

They'll make a long story longer. Yeah, well hold on. We got boots on the ground from our producer in South Dakota. This is exactly how Kristi Noem gets her books on the New York Times bestseller list. Her campaign gives money to right-wing groups to buy them up and give them away to donors. Yeah, that's what you do. That's what you do. Yeah, that's what you do. It's a good way to go. It doesn't make you any money.

It helps if you put in there that you shot your dog. That helps. I mean, it's a little better than I got kicked out of MIT, to be honest. Yeah, I didn't shoot any dogs. That would have been something. Back to the Supreme Court and their book deals and their gifts. The justices are allowed to have some outside income, but most of their outside income is capped around $30,000, except you do not have to Have a limit on book royalties and fees So these justices who signed these multi-million dollar contracts are not subject to any cap and they can make as much as they can

from these book deals, which is clearly It's that's just as evil according to the information. We have just gleaned from you Because you can only that but these book deals and you see it all the time, but somebody get you, they quit office and the next thing you know, they get a million dollar book deal. They're not selling a million dollars with the books based on royalties. These deals are corrupt. The idea is don't worry once you get out of office, we'll make it up to you. And somebody, I don't know how this works behind the scenes, but somebody's giving somebody

a lot of money. It's money laundering is what it is. The publisher gets a bunch of money, gives it to the Hillary Clinton, let's say, or somebody. She can actually sell a few books, but most of these people can't. And next thing you know, it's like you were in office, you did us a favor. It's like people get jobs after the fact. You made a Supreme Court ruling. We're gonna make sure we give you, you get a nice fat advance on your book

and we'll buy it all back. It's just as corrupt if not much more. But no Clarence Thomas, gotta go after him. Now MSNBC, your boy, I shouldn't say that, how racist of me, Jonathan Capehart took a little different, I don't know why I said that. Jonathan Capehart- Gonna help it.

Yeah, came out with a little different take and went straight to Trump where it all really belongs. So that's part of what this is about. Here's the intro into his guest. Supreme court justice Clarence Thomas has finally acknowledged the luxury getaways he accepted as gifts from a Republican billionaire. Justice Thomas updated his financial disclosure forms yesterday to include two trips he took in 2019 with mega donor Harlan Crowe.

Mega donor! While he didn't provide a dollar value for the vacations with Crowe, ProPublica estimated they were worth more than 500,000 bucks. Justice Thomas's friendship with Crow has fueled serious concerns. By the way, that's some vacation. 500,000. I mean, that must be...

I'm not buying. There's a couple of things. I don't buy that number. But the other thing is, so what? Unless you can do the following and they're not doing it. Yeah, connect him. What is the connection between Crowe and Justice Thomas that's corrupt? I mean, was there one specific thing that Thomas ruled on?

He's only one of a few. Let's find out. Maybe we can find out. Justice Thomas's friendship with Crowe has fueled serious concerns about partisanship on the high court, especially with the consequential cases. Wait, wait, wait. Concerns about partisanship? Yes. You can't be partisan you can't be partisan.

So I'm concerned about your partisanship. That's correct. What does that even mean? Well, it means that you're in the tank for Trump. Hello? The justices still have to release more than two dozen decisions over the next three weeks, touching on several major issues from emergency abortion access

to Donald Trump's claim of presidential immunity. And then there's reason to fear the worst from the court that overturned Roe v. Wade. Recently, Justice Sonia Sotomayor shared this warning about the rulings ahead. There are days that I've come to my office after an announcement of a case and close my door and cried. There have been those days and they're likely to be more. And there are moments and yes, even I feel desperation. Oh, despair. Okay.

This, I want to give you kudos for this because I knew about this per saying that. I've never heard a clip of it. I wish I could take it. That goes completely to the clip custodian today. And he's already busy. Joining me now, Ian Milhiser, senior correspondent for Vox, where he focuses on the Supreme Court and the Constitution. He's also the author of The Agenda.

The Agenda. How a Republican Supreme Court is reshaping America. Ian, thank you very much for coming to the Saturday show. Thank you. A lot of cases I want to get to in the little time that we have. Alright, so a lot of cases in a little amount of time. Let's guess, what could it be about? First, there is Trump versus the United States.

This is his main presidential immunity. How do we think that's gonna go? I mean, I think Trump's already won this case Like what the court is probably gonna do is they're gonna say presidents sometimes have immunity and send the case back Back down to lower court to figure out if Trump does in this case But none of that matters like the issue is are we going to have a trial before the election? And they've already run out the clock so much that I think that the answer is going to be no. All right, so there's Steve Reich one.

Let's go to Fisher. Fisher versus the United States. This is whether January 6 participants, including Trump, can be charged with obstruction of an official proceeding. How do we think? Are they going to throw? Are they going to throw out these charges? I was very surprised at how the oral argument went.

There've been like 16 judges who have heard this claim and only two of them have said that the statute should be read narrowly. So these January 6 defendants essentially get off. Now we're talking about there's about 1200 January 6 defendants, including Donald Trump, and only about 300 of them have been charged under the statute at issue here. So it's not like it's going to be blanket immunity for January 6th defendants, but we're talking about a good chunk of people who participated in the insurrection. Yeah, lock up the praying grannies. So that's...

Insurrection. Doesn't seem like much happening there. Let's get to the case that we're all so concerned about. And the next couple of cases have to do with abortion. The Miffitt-Pristone case. Yeah. How do you think the justices are going to rule on that? a couple of cases have to do with abortion, the Miffy Pristone case. How do you think the justices are gonna rule on that? So that is, of the two abortion cases, that's the one I'm most optimistic about.

I think that- They'll leave it alone. They'll leave access to Miffy Pristone. That's correct. I mean, almost half, more than half of abortions in the United States are performed with Miffy Pristone. And I think they realize that if they accept the lower court's reasoning to ban it,

so many other drugs would be banned. Look, these guys don't like abortion, but they don't want to ban antibiotics. Mm-hmm. All right. And so that's the good news on abortion there. Thank you for the hope, Ian. Don't worry, I'll spoil it in just a sec. Neither of us have a vagina, but ha-ha-ha. Exactly. And this is with Moyle versus the United States.

I don't even like women, ha-ha! This is whether federal law regulating hospitals Trump's local abortion bans when it comes to performing emergency abortions. I think the court is going to do what I mean I'm worried about this case. So there's a federal law It doesn't refer specifically to abortions But it says if you go to an emergency room and you have a medical emergency They have to stabilize your health condition. And so if the appropriate treatment is an abortion,

the law right now says that you have a right to an abortion. I think based on the oral argument, they're likely to write that out of the statute or at least put some kind of limits on it so that people who need life-saving or health-saving abortions won't be able to get them anymore. Okay, so who cares? All right, kill babies.

Good news, everybody. But here it is, the one we've all been waiting for, the real deal. It all comes down to this, according to your No Agenda Show. And now here's a case that I don't think a lot of people even know about. And this is euphemistically known as the chevron case and this is one whether to overturn the landmark the chevron what chevron case he said but he means oh it's nice his chevron no he means chevron chevron deference chevron deference yes the chevron grice and this is one whether

they said right right i don't know did he say chevron right the chevron grice and this is now the other guy says in the middle says Wright. Because it is mutinoka. One, whether to overturn the landmark Supreme Court ruling in the 1984 Chevron case that gave federal agencies leeway to interpret the law. Right. Sounds very dry, Ian, but explain why this case-

Sounds so dry. To your mind is the most important case decision to come down from the Supreme Court. This is both the most hyper-technical, like even lawyers to have trouble understanding a case, but also the most important case decision to come down from the Supreme Court. This is both the most hyper-technical, like even lawyers to have trouble understanding a case, but also the most important. No, they don't. Podcasts seem to get it for some reason. Lawyers have no trouble understanding this.

Yeah, but this is meant to obfuscate and to confuse people. Don't listen to this people. Don't listen to this part. You don't need to know about the Chevron rights thing. is not important don't just get rid of the black guy so there are just scads of federal laws that delegate power to a federal agency you know everything from like how much emissions come from power plants to what your cable rates are to who gets overtime pay is controlled by federal agencies Chevron was a case from the Reagan era,

which said that courts should generally let agencies do what they need to do and defer to them. What the court is likely to do here is essentially give itself a veto power over everything the agencies do. So it's not just, it's a huge transfer of power and it's a huge transfer of power from the Democratic Biden administration

to a Supreme Court as a six to three Republican majority And would that have to your point about you know regulating? antibiotics that would give them Purview over the FDA right right actually right it is a different the the FDA has its own statute Which is different than the regulatory regime that concerns Chevron. But what we've seen from the Supreme Court overall, they've been making up all these things with names like the major questions doctrine that lets them interfere with agencies. So like this court wants to have the last word on a lot of things. Okay.

So they've made it all about, oh, if Trump comes in, then you won't be able to get your abortion drug. That's literally what they're doing. I've got to get out of the way here. Yeah. It's not so the courts can do it. Say, oh, we don't like what you're doing and you see we got, you know, six conservatives or we're going to change.

This is to throw it back to the where it belongs. The lawmaking is supposed to take place by the legislative branch, not the courts, not the executive, which is the administrative state. It's supposed to be the legislative branch. And what this Chevron Deference case is supposed to do is kick it back and make it so the legislature takes a little more responsibility for all these crazy rules that these guys dream up because they hate global warming or whatever. And so this is a very, this is a very, I would say dishonest report that you're listening to.

Interestingly, Katie Fang from MSNBC had little problem explaining it in 37 seconds. The Chevron deference is a 40-year-old precedent where federal judges grant federal agencies latitude on how to interpret legislative statutes. Judges are supposed to follow a two-part process. One, examine the congressional language and if the intent is clear, the matter is settled. But two, if the language is ambiguous, then the ruling court must defer to that agency

on how the law should be implemented. Essentially, ask the experts. And without the Chevron deference doctrine in place, everything, and I mean everything in your life could be affected. And now the kicker. So everyone's going after Clarence Thomas. The real problem guy is Gorsuch. This is a clip from his confirmation hearing where he discusses this quite clearly. Section 706 of the Administrative Procedures Act says basically two things, and I'm paraphrasing. It says the courts are supposed to defer to the factual findings of agencies. So the extent you're talking about expert biologists, chemists, whatever manner of regulatory expertise we're

talking about there, the courts are to defer to that and to take that seriously. And we do, just as we would save the factual finding of a jury. Or a district court judge that comes to us with a presumption of correctness. Clear error standard of review. Very hard to meet. Section 706, however, also goes on to say that when it comes to questions of a law, the courts are to interpret the law. Despite that command from this body, the courts have created a doctrine that says that if there's any ambiguity in the law, the agency gets to make the decision about what the law means.

And I have questions about that doctrine. I've raised questions about whether that's compatible with the plain language of Section 706. I'd say cross hairs on Gorsuch next. They got to dig up some dirt on him. Yeah, he has to be a target. Now, the thing that people need to be reminded of is before, I think it was 84 when the Chevron deference became the law of the land, kind of, if you want to call it that, or the law

of the land of the lawless. What was going on before 1984? The administrative state was still there, but it wasn't running roughshod over the U.S. public, which it's doing now by, oh, we have to have all electric cars or else. That's the only reason. I mean, before 1984, there was, I was working in an administrative agency for, for, for years. And it was before 1984 and they had all their kangaroo court. They did the whole thing, it's pretty much the same, except it wasn't writing roughshod over the public like it's been doing since the Chevron deference came into being. And it took them a while to figure it out, but these bureaucrats,

it took them a while, but once they figured out, hey, you know, we can do what we want. We'll just dream stuff up. We'll do this and that, and we'll base it on whatever. It doesn't make any difference because we run the shop. And so this is what's happened and this has to be reversed. And it appears that people in the know actually understand this is what it's about. It's not even about Trump. No, it's hardly about Trump. That's the joke of it. You bring Trump in this. I doubt Trump even has a clue about any of this, to be honest about it.

I don't know, he might. Anyone who put John Bolton in his cabinet or in his sphere of influence doesn't know shit. Well, I watched, Tina and I watched last night, the two hour interview of Tucker with Thomas Massey. Have you seen this by any chance? No, I have not and probably never will. It is required watching.

This guy is funny. He's very smart. I didn't know that he has 30 patents on virtual reality, 3D objects that I think he sold to a lot of Silicon Valley companies. You know, this hillbilly who created this, this is a very interesting guy. And he even talks about how the but during COVID, he jumped in his car and drove eight hours to show up for the vote for the CARES Act to stop it, the $2 trillion, because he's like, no, this is not by unanimous consent. And of course, the rules are if one shows up, then that's not unanimous consent.

And Trump was calling him like, you know good. And he does great impressions of Trump and of McConnell. I mean, he was just out and out. John, you will love this interview. You will. Okay, I'll watch it then. And I pulled a couple clips for you. The first one answers a very, kind of answers a very important question we have about Mike Johnson. Why all of a sudden did Mike Johnson spin around 180 degrees and fold on all this military aid and the, what's the, you know, grab Russia's money and ban TikTok.

We've been asking ourselves this question for months. Well, I thought we had one answer to it, which is the thesis that he did it to stay in office. Well, here's Massey's answer. Well, one of the things he claims, which I don't believe is true, and I have reason to say this, is that he says he went in a skiff. He's had some 180 degree turns on some things, like for instance, whether you need a warrant to spy on Americans using the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, 702 program. Well, he used to be on judiciary committee with me and Jim Jordan trying to reform that, trying

to get the water. So he understood what it was. He knew completely what we were talking about. He's an attorney too, right? And he knows the Constitution. He knows this is required, but he claims he spent time in a SCIF and he learned things. SCIF, that's secure compartmentalized information facility or something. It's where we go.

We have to leave our phones locked up, you know, no staff in there. He claims he spent time in Skiff and learned things that changed his mind. Here's the problem, Tucker. I was in Skiff with him. We had DNI, not just the current DNI, but the former DNI, John Radcliffe, Trump's DNI, we had CIA, we had FBI, we even had a FISA judge in there and we spent three and a half hours. It was a four hour meeting and after three and a half hours, it was basically a Psi-op where they're just trying to beat you down and do the things. And I was like, this is ridiculous. You haven't given, they didn't give us one example of any time ever since FISA was created that getting a warrant would have kept them from solving or

preventing an act of terrorism. They gave hypotheticals, but they had no specific. And I think FISA has been in place since 1978, since the seventies. Right. I'm sorry. Yeah. I forgot to mention this was about FISA. So they Psy-opt him. There's a little gotcha in there because he says it was a four-hour meeting and he was in there with him for three and a half hours. I'm thinking that last half hour is when they said, Hey Mike, look at this picture. That's what I think. But then Tucker does ask for what he thinks the truth is. So what is the truth? What do you think changed?

I think he's kind of a lost ball in tall weeds. They think he's in a position of power he never imagined he would get to at this point in his life. He's not done anything in private practice or political arena. That's prepared him for this. He took the job with a very small staff. He didn't have, uh, people to put in all positions on the field. And he had to accept a lot of, uh, suggestions in areas he didn't know a

whole lot about, although he gets no pass on FISA. Yes. Um, he gets no pass on Ukraine. Cause he does, as you pointed out, he doesn't even know how many casualties have been incurred on the Ukrainian side. I mean, he's the second person in line for president after Kamala Harris. This is scary to me. He's basically getting moved around. And he was very clear that he was all in with Marjorie.

He doesn't say Marjorie Taylor Greene, he just calls her Marge. He says, I'm all in with Marge. We're going to get rid of him. We don't want him back as Speaker of the House. Now, there was a clip that went viral from this interview. Ben, when you hear the viral clip, you'll understand why, because there's a lot of people who have been waiting for proof, proof that Israel runs our Congress. Well, I have Republicans who come to me on the floor and say, I wish I could vote with you today.

Yours is the right vote, but I would just take too much flack back home. And I have Republicans who come to me and say, that's wrong what APAC is doing to you. Let me talk to my APAC person. By the way, everybody but me has an APAC person. What does that mean, an APAC person? It's like your babysitter, your APAC babysitter, who is always talking to you for APAC. They're probably a constituent in your district, but they are, you know, firmly embedded in APAC. They're probably a constituent in your district, but they are, you know, firmly embedded in APAC. And- Every member has something like this?

Every, I don't know how it works on the Democrat side, but that's how it works on the Republican side. And when they come to DC, you go have lunch with them and they've got your cell number and you have conversations with them. So I've had like, that's absolutely crazy. I've had four members of Congress say, I'll talk to my APAC person and it's clearly what we call them, my APAC guy. I'll talk to my APAC guy and see if I can get him to, you know, dial those ads back. Why have I never heard this before?

It doesn't benefit anybody. Why would they want to tell their constituents that they've basically got a buddy system with somebody who's representing a foreign country? It doesn't benefit the congressmen for people to know that. So they're not going to tell you that. So this, of course this went viral because now everyone can say you see the Jews run it they run everything Israel runs America. They've got guys. They've got babysitters. It's it's it's proof. It's proof Unfortunately, it's taken out of context because when you watch this interview he explains very clearly what's going on

But first a disclaimer and kind of an understanding. APAC, of course, the American Israeli, what is it? What is the political action committee? No, no, no, no, they have a political, no, it's not. That's what APAC is. No, no, they didn't have one years ago. APAC, the original APAC is the American Israeli Public Affairs Committee. Okay. And there's a little issue here that I want to bring up because you saw this interview, I didn't, which is that if there's an APAC contact

with your cell phone number, did Tucker bring up or say, is there a guy from the petroleum industry that does this? He did actually. It was very funny. I didn't clip it. He said, hey, do you have a Germany guy? Do you have an Italy guy? Does he? No, no, he doesn't. That's only APAC that does this. Only APAC. I think I have the clip. It's very similar to the NRA who are all about guns. You'll get to it.

But first the real problem, because AIPAC as we've discussed, is funded by the AEIF, which is the American Israel Education Foundation, and its donors are Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, and General Atomics amongst others. So here's Massey saying this is why he doesn't want to deal with any of these guys because this is who he is.

I'm not against Israel. I've never voted to sanction Israel. I've never said anything particularly critical of Israel, other than for instance, right now they're bombing, they've killed 1% of the civilian population in Gaza. That's concerning to me. But so what do they do now? You get elected 2012. Do you hear from them again?

I vote my conscience, which they won't tolerate. So they ran with their 501C4, before they had a super PAC, they were running educational advocacy ads against me saying that I'm bad on Israel. They didn't say, don't vote for him. They just said, he's a bad guy. And so I said, all right, well, you're not welcome in my office anymore. Because for years, I invited them into my office. Let's talk this through.

Let me explain to you. I'm a libertarian leaning Republican. I don't vote for foreign aid for anybody. So don't be offended when I don't vote for your foreign aid. I don't vote for wars anywhere. So don't be offended if I tell you that. I'm for free speech, even if it's abhorrent. And you know, we used to talk, but now they're banned from my office. The situation went from bad to worse. This election cycle, they spent $400,000 against me. So the point he's making is that they basically call him an anti-Semite and a Jew hater for not wanting to talk

to them, but here's the real reason why. Now to your point, they should be registered with FARA. This is what FARA is, is where there's gray area, where it's an American representing a foreign country. Let's look and see if you're getting any money from that foreign country. Are you a dual citizen with that foreign country? Are you being directed by, for instance,

is Netanyahu speaking to your group, advising you on your next move? Are you getting money from the military industrial complex? Because to understand AIPAC, I think it's easiest to model them as a military industrial lobby. Like their biggest thing is they want more equipment, more military equipment from the United States going to Israel. In fact, when they used to be allowed in my office, the argument they would make is, oh, we're just stimulating the US military industrial complex

because every single penny of the 3.8 billion that they nominally get, now they're getting way more than that, but that Israel nominally anomaly goes to US military contractors. And this is what we heard over and over again. So now you can point out the people who got a call from their APAC guy. Hey man, make sure everyone needs to know this is about our defense industrial base. Of course, Israel 3.8 billion is nothing, but this is where APAC shines.

Now that didn't make me warm and fuzzy, okay? But that is their argument. And if you notice what they advocate for, I think sometimes they advocate for things that even Israelis wouldn't advocate for. I believe that. Like they would, I think, be okay with a war with Iran, like an all out, you know, apocalyptic war with Iran. Whereas there are people in Israel say, whoa, hold on a second, we'd all out apocalyptic war with Iran, whereas there are people in Israel say,

whoa, hold on a second, we'd rather not have a war with Iran, but AIPAC does things that lead us in that direction. And so they're kind of like what the NRA is to gun owners, AIPAC is to Israel, or what the Farm Bureau is to farmers, AIPAC is to Israel. In other words- Represents a faction. Right. is to farmers, AIPAC is to Israel. In other words, they represent a faction, but usually a corporate faction. And they're using the imprimatur of grassroots that they've diluted or confused into bullying

congressmen. So the way I see it, it's actually the exact opposite. The real money, which is in case everyone missed it, $900 billion a year, or this most recent year, more than that now, a trillion, a cool trillion total since we added some extra money, is the opposite. The defense industrial base is abusing the Jews and playing the Jew card to force people into signing off on weaponry, especially if it's against Iran. Hello, Lindsey Graham. And it's worse because then you take the Christians who are like, Jews are the chosen people.

Let's get them in on the deal too. They didn't have a political action committee at the time. They couldn't spend hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars against me at that time. It was just sort of like a whisper campaign to try to, hey, don't vote for him, blah, blah, blah. That's why. Because at that point, they sensed I wouldn't do what they wanted when I got the cover.

What did they whisper against you? What were they saying about you? Well, they would do it through, for instance, churches, evangelical churches. They've got an organization called Christians United for Israel where they've sort of co-opted evangelicals. People think it's a grassroots movement in Kentucky. It's actually a top-down movement from APAC so that people who aren't even Jewish will feel like they've got to support Israel, you know, no matter what. Even if it's a secular state that funds abortions, they just sort

of forget that part and we've got to fund Israel. So they have networks, so it's more than just about the money. And then just one bonus clip, which just completes the whole circle about Afghanistan and Russia and Ukraine and Israel. Why are we in a war with Russia? I've never figured that out. Why Russia? It almost seems like they picked it off a mat.

Like, why would it be a war with Russia? What's interesting is we were in Afghanistan and I was tracking this. I talked to the Special Inspector General, John Sopko, about twice a year about the money that was being wasted in Afghanistan. It was about $50 billion a year and I was glad to see us get out of Afghanistan. But kind of like feathering the clutch and shifting gears, we just went from second gear to third gear because as soon as we quit spending $50 billion a year in Afghanistan, we started spending more than $50 billion a year in Ukraine. There's a military industrial complex. They call it

the Defense Industrial Base now in the United States. They say military industrial complex, they call it the defense industrial base now in the United States. They say we have to, they're hungry and we got to keep them fed. And since we don't have any of our own wars, and we don't have a reason to deplete our stocks and our bombs and weapons that we have, we'll engage in these other things to keep them healthy and thriving. In fact, the Biden administration even made that argument in a letter to Congress for why we should do this supplemental foreign aid to Israel, to Ukraine, to Taiwan. They made the argument that the defense industrial base needs to be strong and so we need to spend this money.

And they gave a list of all the states in the United States that would benefit from this spending. And that's why they said we should do it. And that's what Trump does. That's exactly what Trump was doing. That's the only manufacturing we have. And Trump, if I think Trump will come in, he's going to figure out a way to get more money into defense.

But eventually, I mean, do we just start more wars in Africa? Or I mean, you have to deplete the stuff to create more. Africa is a good target. start more wars in Africa? Or I mean, you have to deplete the stuff to create more. But that's- Africa's a good target. Nobody notices, who cares? Exactly. But then unfortunately we'll have to play African news, which will kill the show.

No, we're not gonna play African news. That's the idea. We're not gonna play African news so we can waste money down there. They wanna kill the show. How about the Trump coming in and maybe auditing the Defense Department and see who's ripping us off?

We're spending too much money for what we're getting, for the bank, for the buck. I don't care about wasting bombs and all the rest of it. It seems to me that there's some hidden money here. It's like black energy. He's never even hinted at doing that. I mean, the only thing I could think of is Trump would come in and say, all right, you guys are all wasteful and we have enough weaponry now. Uh, Boeing, why don't you stop, uh, doing that dumb stuff with your, uh,

your strike fighter, your joint fighter. You have, why don't you build a real plane? One that I can fly in. And, you know, all these other companies, why don't you start building good cars that people want? I mean, that could be something. That'll be the day. Instead of tanks, build us a good car.

It's like stopping the trans trend because the medical operations go, well, you know, the hell with that money. Well, anyway, I like Mass. That sounds like a good guy. Yeah. He built his own house himself with wood he collected on his land. I know the type. The guy's funny. He said, and he got a Tesla battery to power it. And he says, it was crazy. I bought this Tesla battery and I had to get special

permission to transport it because it's considered a hazardous material. It is totally. Yet that's a lithium bomb. It's strapped under your car. The guy's funny. He's funny. Okay. We will definitely listen to him.

Yes. Since he's under a lot, he is's funny. Okay. We will definitely listen to him. Yes. Since he's under a lot, he is under attack. Oh, he's part of the Marjorie Taylor Green. Uh, this cabal, very small group is only maybe five or six people. Yeah. And, uh, well he definitely is, I think a no agenda type guy. When you hear what he's, how he talks, like, yeah, it makes a lot of sense. Well, now I can do a whole series of clips from Peter McCullough. Yes. Which is a lot of subclimates.

He was on a show called The Courageous Discourse. Is this a podcast? Yeah. Oh, excellent. Yeah, he's on a podcast and I just found this to be the series of very, all he names names, who's doing the bioweapon development. He's excellent. He names everything.

This is why there's two of us, John. I'm watching Massey, you're watching McCullough. We come together on Sunday, bada bing, bada boom, what a show we got. He names names. He points the finger. He's very funny. He likes to laugh about stuff and he is so knowledgeable. It's like listening to him, you know, you know the guy's on top and it's just amazing to me that he's not like, you know, the surgeon general or something. He's, he just pushed a little bit pushed to like, you know, the surgeon general or something. He's just pushed, a little

bit pushed to the, you can't, a guy like this is so powerful in his intellectual pursuits that you can't kick him to the curb and he'll just keep cropping up here and there. And this is one of the best examples, I think. And it's about stuff that you haven't heard. It should enrage the public that some of this is going on, but let's go with McCullough on courageous, he's on the podcast, Courageous Discourses, number one. I wanted to have you on, particularly to talk about this disease X. No, disease X is not Twitter.

Disease X is a theoretical disease that people in this biopharmaceutical complex have been writing about for years, including Peter Dasic at the EcoHealth Alliance has been writing. I said, can't wait for disease X. It's going to infect mankind. It's going to have a high kill rate. So we're seeing 20 times that of COVID. The Global Vaccine alliance said disease X is going to be bird flu. And I think they were right. You're in my backyard, Dvorak. Yep. I thought you get, you get a kick out of these clips. You have my attention for sure. Okay, let's go to two. They've been talking about bird flu for years. I remember back during the

Obama administration, they would have these bird flu fear campaigns in the media and nothing ever really came of it. What is going on with bird flu? Has a lab finally hit the jackpot in terms of making it very contagious for humans? Is that what we're talking about here? There has been gain of function research on bird flu for decades now. Researchers have been working on this. Two doctors, Dr. Merrick Howe at University of Wisconsin, Dr. Ron Fouchet at Rotterdam, the Netherlands, they've been trying to make this virus jump from human to human for a decade or

more. Jump! Nothing's been in the open more than this. Bird flu infects chickens largely, sometimes cattle. The Chinese started vaccinating for this back in the 90s. It's made it way worse. So now the birds spread it around even more. The main method of handling it is kill all the birds. When one bird gets a bird flu, kill the whole poultry flock. I think that's been a disaster. They're going to have to let the birds get some natural immunity. We're talking about highly pathogenic H5N1 avian influenza, also known as bird flu, about 800 to 900 human cases when it spreads from the animal to the worker. And historically, it's had a 52.7% mortality rate, largely because of people lots of handling the birds, Southeast Asia, no medical care, presenting late.

The most recent outbreak, we've had three human cases in the United States. Two of them were pink eye, one with some respiratory symptoms, all easily treated. So I don't think bird flu is going to be much of a human threat unless it starts spreading human to human. And if it does, believe me, we're going to nail the gain of function guys who've been working on this and the Southeastern Poultry Research Center in Athens, Georgia. We think that's where the most recent strain came out of. Does Dr. McCall at any point mention that the birds aren't real? Yeah. My word.

You know what they were doing, Dave? They were doing experiments in mallard ducks, migratory waterfall. What a mistake. One of those guys gets out, they fly everywhere. One of those guys gets out they fly everywhere. You know, the media has not been asking the question Why did it spread from Texas to? to Iowa to Michigan magic happen magic. They didn't ask the question. They just think it's spontaneously rising No, it's being spread by the ducks that are fly all over Wow, and and there is do we have any recourse to be to stop this or sue this lab for spreading a migratory bird with a novel disease?

All these experts are saying we have to get ahead of nature. That's what disease X researchers said. We have to get ahead of nature. We have to make it invade humankind and then come up with vaccines. So disease X vaccines, the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovation, that's that global center founded by Gates Foundation, World Economic Forum. They have an entire over 100 page white paper on disease X.

They said the whole reason to study disease X is to have a disease X vaccine. Sure enough with bird flu, CSL Sequerius, a biotech company, has the Audence vaccine. It was FDA licensed in 2021 with no human data ready to go for bird flu. They developed it with BARDA, a research unit of the military, 2021.

And now the US has purchased enough doses for millions of administrations. Why would the US military be developing a bird flu vaccine? And why in 2021? Now, news was out this week that Pfizer and Moderna are talking to the federal government about messenger RNA vaccines. CSL has a self-replicating messenger RNA vaccine in development. CEPI with the Koreans have a self-replicating messenger RNA vaccine. So coming back to our boots on the ground, the testing industrial complex must just be salivating to... By the way, you know how you test for bird flu? I came across this last night. Do you know what the test is? You swab your eye.

Oh, yuck. Yeah. If your nose wasn't bad enough or they jammed it into your brain, now they're gonna put a cotton swab in your eye to see if you have bird flu. And we need to remind newer listeners, Peter McCullough is highly decorated,

but this is a, he's undeplatformable. Now they're just not putting them on mainstream news anymore, but they can't get rid of him because he has so many- Podcasters are a big threat. That's what it was, what the clip we had recently where they claimed that podcasters were like the big threat against all these schemes.

Yes, clearly, clearly. The podcasters are the problem. Problematic podcasters. Yeah, so McCullough is one of those guys who enjoys talking. But it's like he has so much at the tip. He's not using any notes at all. He never looks down and he just off the top of his head has every, all these stats and the right to the number, the right to the point something. And he just goes on and on with this. He's great. This is part four. I got to tell you, bird flu is disease X because people have an aspiration of mass

vaccinating the world. Again, COVID wasn't enough. Now it's game on disease X bird flu. I know how disease X spreads. It spreads through the internet. So is this going to be potentially more lethal than COVID or what? What is your thoughts on this? Lethal. So far, you know, it's early, but the cases appear mild. It looks like this strain and what we're tracking is H5N1 clade 2.3.44B. Bingo. H5N1 clade 2.3.44B. We actually got it down to the clade and then the mutation that came out of the Athens, Georgia

lab. This one luckily so far appears to be very benign. Pink eye and something easily treated with the, you know, iodine nasal sprays and gargles, ulcerative myvirid, Tamiflu, hydroxychloroquine, it's all going gonna cover it easily. So it doesn't appear to be very dangerous to humans. The reason why it's dangerous to animals is because they are incinerating all the animals

instead of letting them get through it. This is a mild version. I think we ought to have some observational studies to just see what is the mortality rate in birds. We can't destroy every last chicken because the mallard ducks are going to continue to spread it around. I love that. The only danger to chickens is they're going to get incinerated. Man, it all fits together with the cultured lab, chicken meat and everything. It all kind of fits together though, doesn't it? It's a nice little puzzle they've built here.

Yeah, it's pretty. It's pretty. And these things always, when they benefit… The mallard duck thing, he's really on that. He just thinks it's this horrible that they would affect a duck. I mean, this even affects reality TV shows. What will Duck Dynasty do? They'll be out of business. I think they've be out of business. I think they've been out of business.

They're pretty popular, my man. They're pretty popular. All right. Onward next, I think is we're on what? Five, five, five. Yeah. What about the, I've heard in the news, they've been saying that they're concerned about the virus being spread by the raw milk drinkers, the people that are drinking raw milk, unpasteurized from cows, are the ones that are gonna spread the bird flu? How does that narrative get started and what's going on with that?

Yeah, I doubt it. Most of it is gonna be through respiratory or touching. The cases of conjunctivitis, invariably the workers handle the animals and they touch their eyes. There's been a few tests of products in the store where they find some viral particles. And again, they're doing PCR testing. We're talking about grossly inflated positive tests that are false positive tests. But even what they found is not active in the grocery store.

Now they're kind of zeroing in on who drinks raw milk. I doubt that that's going to be a route of spread. Largely, it has to be airborne and come in through the nose and mouth. A couple of articles to back up this disease, X hype. CNN with bird flu infecting dairy cattle. FDA is now asking states to curb sales of raw milk. From right here in the backyard, bird flu detected in Austin wastewater. Hair on fire. Blue hair on fire. And STAT, that's the medical shill publication that we've discussed in the past. They basically take money to write articles, allegedly. Here's the title,

How CO2 Helps Viruses Stay Alive Longer in the Air. So they bring it all in. Yeah, I saw that article. That's hilarious. I was gonna put it in a newsletter actually. Hilarious. We really got everything we need. I mean, we've got the climate change.

We've got got everything we need. I mean, we've got the climate change. We've got the, we've got the vegans, we've got the lab meat, we've got the vaccine industry, we've got the testing industrial complex. I mean, it really is perfect. We have a guy, another tester out there that does the wastewater stuff. And he says you- It's bull crap. It's bull crap. It's bull crap. It's a scam.

He says you centrifuge everything until you sort of, there's no really, you just keep reducing and reducing and reducing. And then you can test that and there's always gonna be, you can find anything you want is in there. The only problem, in fact, the only person who doesn't benefit from this scam is Mimi. I mean, toomanyeggs.com, it's just, it's going to be a problem when there's no, well, no,

she can write a follow-up. Not enough eggs. No eggs. Noeggs.com. All right, six. So what is being done, if anything, to try to stop or hold these people accountable? It seems like the only politician you hear about who still does things ongoing about this matter and try to hold people accountable is Senator Rand Paul. I know there's a few others too, but from your you're very much involved in this fight

for transparency and accountability. What are you hearing in terms of, is there gonna be any accountability for the folks like Peter Daszak and Fauci regarding this gator function research that they've lied about? It's been slow progress, but credit to Brad Wenstrup, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Chip Roy and others in the house. They've been plotting through this. They got to the point

where Dasik clearly is one of the co-conspirators and one of the creators of SARS-CoV-2. So is Anthony Fauci, Ralph Barak at the UNC Chapel Hill and Dr. Xingling Li in China. They're the four people who created COVID that got us sick. Fauci was pretending the whole time that he was responding to this, yet he knew he was part of the creation of this. And it was all covered up, by the way. That's the interesting, the emails show the cover up. They recently had David Moran's in who is Fauci's assistant. And then they were using personal email accounts, you know, changing characters and letters to try to throw off the FOIA requests. These guys knew what they were doing was wrong. They created a virus, they got the whole world sick, and then they tried to

front vaccines on us. No, McCullough, man, what is he doing as a guest on podcasts? He needs his own podcast. He's got a foundation, which is doing a lot of work. He needs a better mic is what he needs. Yeah, he does. He needs a better... A rig. He needs a rig. He needs a rig or something. He needs to be...

Give me a call, Dr. McCall. I'll send you a rig. This is embarrassing. Anyway, this interview went on for almost an hour and a half. I can tell. I mean, the seven clips is a lot even for you. I usually cut it. The interview went on for almost an hour and a half. I can tell. I mean, the seven clips is a lot even for you. Yeah, I usually cut it.

And so I kind of moved into one little spot. I want to just get this little last bit in there and the rest of it. People can go to the Discourse podcast and listen to the whole thing if they want to. I should send you the link to the show notes. Yeah, put it in the show notes. Yeah. But I just thought this little bit at the end here was worthwhile. I just pulled it out of the blue.

And you know, on all the government agency websites, the National Security Administration, for instance, says, well, we think it came out of nature, but with a low probability, then they say, but it's not a bio weapon. Why do they say that? Why do they have to front that? It's because in 1975, we actually have some legislation saying that we can't be in the business of creating biological weapons. And so they try to put that out there, but clearly it was a biological threat.

We all got sick from it. There's a paper by Farkas in military medicine that's evaluated SARS-CoV-2 along about three dozen criteria for biological weapons and they've concluded it, you know, SARS-CoV-2 meets criteria for this. Two papers by Yen also show that. So, I mean, we have to ask the question, was our government in the business of creating biological threats and then creating countermeasures of therapeutics and vaccines? What? Of course they are. That's what you do. You create a biological threat and you have to have the antidote so that when,

you know, when your guys get it, you can still be okay and go in and kill the enemy. Yeah, that's fine and dandy, but it's illegal. There's gambling going on there? My goodness. Of course it's illegal. I don't, you know Killing civilians also illegal. So the point is that he makes it with throughout this thing is that these guys conspire to create the COVID two virus that kill anyone out there who's family member or anybody died should really be outraged by, by any of this. And the many more to come who will die suddenly.

And then the many, right. And then the people who just kind of have been dropping dead left and right that you brought out the early part of the show, they should be outraged by this and they should be outraged about this lab in Georgia and they should be outraged by the North Carolina operation. They should be outraged by all of it, but nobody's outraged by any of it. Except us, we're not even that outraged. We're just like, oh brother, there we go again. We're either outraged about the appeal to heaven flag or the trans flag.

That's our outrage. That's our level. Flags. Yep. Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. What do we do, John? In the olden days. Here. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. What do we do, John? In the olden days, I think the public would be with torches and hangman's knots, nooses and be burning down that Georgia laptop, releasing the mallards.

No, we're going to post memes. We'll get them. We're going to post memes. We're going to troll them. That's what we do. We were weak. We've had good times. It creates weak men. We're about to go into tough times. We'll see what it creates. You and I'll sit back in our rocking chairs and laugh for more years. And with that, I'd like to thank you for your courage. Well, and say what? What? What? I can't find my office. It's been cleaned up.

Thank you for your courage to say in the morning to you the man who put the sea in the courageous discourse. Ladies and gentlemen say hello to my friend on the other end the one and only Mr. John C. DeVorent. Well in the morning to you Mr. Adam Curry. In the morning all ships and sea boots on the ground feet in the air subs in the water and all, Mr. Adam Curry. In the morning, all ships and seaboots on the ground, feet in the air, subs in the water, and all the dames and knights out there. In the morning to the trolls in the troll room.

Stop running around. Let me count you. Let me see. Let me see. Now, we are a little late. We're a little later than usual. In fact, we're about 40 minutes over time for this break. But how could we not just stop and wait for Dr. McCullough?

2119 on the last Thursday, right now we're at 1989, so I call it a wash, I think we're pretty good. I think the trolls are- Pretty good. Pretty good, I think the trolls are hanging in there because it was good, you know, and they're already, you know, they're already teeing up their memes.

Teeing up their memes, you know. Yeah, hey man, that's what we do. Make it all good. I think that sounds pretty good. Good, there you go. The Trolls can be found at trollroom.io on every single Thursday and Sunday. Actually it's 24 hours a day. The No Agenda stream runs and the No Agenda chat room, as we call it here, the troll room is wide open. You can jump in any time, trollroom.io, or use a modern podcast app where you get alerted when we go live or any show, any podcast that you follow, you subscribe to the podcast, you'll get the update 90 seconds from the minute it's published. And if the show goes live, you also get an alert, you can tap right into the stream and listen live.

It's beautiful how that works, it's so smart. And it can, you can't beat a platform from all this stuff. We built it that way. That's why the broadcasters are problematic, you say, because you can't deplatform them anymore. As those two podcasters are making trouble for us, it's no good. We'll be celebrating 17 years in October.

17 years of value for value. You know, I was listening to, oh man, NPR did a whole thing on Alex Jones. Did you happen to catch any of that? I caught a little bit of it. They're definitely gloating. Yeah. In fact, let me play one of these clips here as a bonus. Alex Jones is one step closer to paying the families who sued him for defamation. NPR's Tovia Smith has been following the story. Tovia, good morning. Good morning. What does Chapter 7 liquidation mean?

Well, it would basically mean that there'd be a fire sale, a controlled but a swift sale of everything from Jones's ownership in his company called Free Speech Systems to his personal gun collection. And it means the ball could get rolling pretty quickly on at least some payment for those Sandy Hook families who won that defamation suit. But the payment wouldn't be anywhere close to what these families are owed. Jones's assets are estimated now at about $10 million, which might mean just around a couple hundred thousand dollars for each of the plaintiffs, at least initially. And I say initially because a Chapter 7 trustee would have authority to hunt down any assets

that Jones may have hidden. And this hunting license, as some call it, would be a forever thing because Jones's case, unlike most bankruptcy cases where debts are washed away and you could get a fresh start, the judge ruled in Jones's case that can't happen because his wrongdoing was intentional and malicious. So bottom line, the families will have a claim on Jones's future earnings for the rest of his life. This is why I'm so happy we never went the route of a lot of these other guys and made

tens of millions of dollars. We're no target. We're unimportant. Yeah, I'm happy too. Geez, what would I do with all that money? We're completely unimportant. It's like, we're going to take all of your assets. You'd be like, what is this pile Dvorak has?

Oh no, we don't want any of that. No, we can't have that collection. What's Curry got? Oh, he's a dog. All right, good. No, we can't have that collection. What's Curry got? Oh, is it dog? All right, good. The dog. We have just gone the value for value route. As long as you can still pay our rent, we're still doing the show. That's always been the mission. That's always been how we run it. And it has

been working. So then we're happy. We're gainfully employed. Gainfully employed, I tell you. So one of the ways that you can help us is through donating money, treasure. We need it, obviously. Everybody needs to make money to pay your bills. We also like time and talent. We have boots on the ground. You heard a couple of reports during the show.

We have, and believe me, we have doctors, dentists, nurses. We have the law enforcement officers, military, pilots. You cannot think of a single thing. We have people who test wastewater. Hello, this is the best podcast in the universe. That's what's so cool. We do have, I would say, a cadre of producers who have high expertise in extremely specialized areas of society. Yes.

And they're all, you know, that's not the same as a legislative guy or anybody who's a generalist. These are people that are specialists and very seldom get the recognition they deserve, to be honest about it. That's right. And even then, they usually want to be anonymous. They just want to help out the show. There's other reasons for that. They also like their life. Yeah, of course. But yeah, so that's how we know this wastewater

testing is just more bull crap. It's a bonanza, no doubt. The testing industrial complex in general, we heard a big bonanza. So this is how you can contribute. We also have artists and these artists, they work and it's amazing because, you know, we're talking about experts. Many of these artists, in fact, the majority are Dutch masters and they create artwork for us on the fly

while listening, while at work, while slaving away at their jobs. They still find time to create some artwork in between. And it's great because we use those for the show. And it always looks good. It's fresh. It looks great in the podcast apps. It looks good when you put it out there and promote the show, which is another way you can provide value back to us. And lo and behold, the episode Art for 1666, which was titled Weird, spelled W- weird spelled W Y R D came from none other than the very controversial Francisco Scaramanga and he created a very nice D-Day piece

which wasn't like we weren't overly enthusiastic like like jumping up and down, but it was D-Day. We did the show on D-Day itself and we got a lot of positive comments. People are saying, that's great. With that, thank you for honoring my grandfather or whatever else. By the way, someone from the Pentagon got in touch with me, again, our producers, right? And said, Hey, give me your grandfather's date of birth. And so I happened to have this and he dug up my grandfather's draft card. Oh, that's sweet.

Well, it gets better. He says, every person who landed at Normandy automatically qualifies for a French legion, the Legion of Honor. And then he said, you know, we're looking at your family history. It looks like, because he came from Germany, it looks like he came from Prussia. You may actually have royal blood in you, which means I'm part lizard. Part lizard Adam. Yeah, I believe this to be true.

I'm very excited about learning. This is better than 23andMe. This is the kind of producers we have. Other pieces, thank you. Part royal, impressions. That explains a lot. I'm part reptile, baby. There you go. Let me see. Other pieces that we looked at. There was a lot of...

Let's start off by saying a couple of things, sir. All right. Please do. First of all, Scaramanga turned out to be something of an a-hole by being goaded into condemning the show on the no agenda, no authority website, which I find to be very offensive. You didn't even want to use this piece because you were so upset about it. And I'm very irked by the whole thing. And I might as well make the statement now, I am not going to no authority for anything.

I've had it with that website. I think Aaron has done a very piss poor job of moderating because he basically says, I'm not moderating. So we have a slew of a-holes on there that are just doing nothing positive for the show. They just say negative things and they just condemn you. They condemn me, they condemn everybody in between and they get people like Scaramanga all jacked up in situations where they shouldn't be. And mad. And so I, that site is, is, is dead to me. I'm not going,

if anybody wants to contact me using that site, you're not going to get to, you go, go back to Twitter because I have refused now to, it's just like everything else that some of these guys start up and you have some buddy like Aaron are running it. They don't do their job properly. They're above it all. They won't take advice from anyone. And it's like no authority early in the,

I'm sorry, no agenda social, now no authority. And before that, the no agenda forums. We've had this happen over and over and over again, where people take it upon themselves to be jerks. And so don't look for me there. I'm not gonna be there anymore. I mean, this is a little bit of projection because I mean, we are the ones taking the Jew money.

So, you know, it is kind of our own fault. Yeah, where is that Jew money, by the way? Where is it? I don't know. I'm expecting more CIA money, but we don't get enough of that. Once in a while we do, I have to say. Check the PO box. Once in a while we get some agency money, but it's rare.

Very rare. Very rare. Anyway, moving right along, we had, let's see, we had another Normandy D-Day piece by Tanteneil. You kind of liked the D-Day diapers from Sir Paul Couture. I did. Which were, it was, it was small. I mean, there was just technically some things that I think were

a problem. Yeah, you didn't like it. I didn't, no. Not that I didn't like making fun of it. We're not using devils ever. No, not using devils. We're not, you know, what's the point? We both kind of liked Dame Kenny Ben's baseball hit in the mouth. No, that's not true.

The ITM? I liked it, you didn't like it. You thought it was too gruesome? No, it was just the opposite. I liked it. And you threw a back at me as too gruesome. Well, I repent. You said, why, wait a minute,

you're violating your own gruesome rule. I repent. It's actually a pretty good piece. Now that I look at it. I think the point is well taken. It is a little gruesome. Yeah. And then Sir Shug did a

like a Wheel of Fortune which I guess was supposed to be Adios Mofos, I guess. Oh, I didn't figure. That's funny. Yeah, Adios M mofos, I guess. Oh, I didn't figure. That's funny. Now the reason why it's kind of interesting is, Pat Sajak, this is why I think he did it. Pat Sajak is ending his 40 year run

as the host of Wheel of Fortune. Last Friday. Okay, it's done. Yeah, he's over. On May 30th, there was a rather interesting episode which I had not heard about. And quite frankly, I'm surprised seeing the level of maturity of most of our listeners and of us.

Here's a clip. Our first toss up is worth $1,000. Category is phrase and off we go. He thought the answer was right in the butt, which obviously was not. That aired. That aired. Yeah, well, why not? I find rather interesting. Anyway, we thank and congratulate Francisco Scaramanga with his win for episode 1,666. Now we move over to the treasure portion of the Value for Value model.

These are the executive producers who come in with $300 and above, and we read your note. And the associate executive producers, which is $200 and above, and we read your notes and the associate executive producers Which is $200 and above and we read your note as well. And this is a quite the anomaly that has taken place here We have two of the same donations these are only the second and third of their kind in the show's history and It does it's a recently coined donation amount. And we start with the Duke of Central Florida from Winter Park 333333. The very coveted rubbalizer donation from the Duke of

Central Florida, also a double show number donation. He says, I'm trying to encourage others to match this donation so we can all collect our challenge coins. Love the show. Thanks to you and the other producers. Here, of course, is the jingle. India, Tangle, Mike, standby. 33, 33, 33.

Rub-A- verbalizer out. You've got karma. I mean, wow. Yeah, yeah. It's pretty spectacular. Well, if that wasn't enough, random number theory. Yeah, if that wasn't enough, someone we haven't heard of, heard from for a while, Sir Donald of the

Fire Bottles, came in and he uses the and he found some more of his United Federation of Planets Starfleet Command letterhead. And he also from Eastern Washington donated 333.33, which is very strange that we have this two in a row like this. That's amazing. We'll give them both a show number donations. Yes. He says, I enclosed 333.333, 333.33, which I believe is the second rub33333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333 333 333 333 333 333 333 333 333 333 333 333 333 333 333 333 333 333 333 333 333 333 333 333 333 333 333 333 333 333 333 333 should happen more often. This donation is part of an inheritance from a dear friend who passed away last year. And that's it. He ends it. Cheers, Sir Donald.

Unbelievable. India, Tangle, Mike, Standby, 33, 33, 33, Globalizer out. You've got karma. Now if I recall, I think we should make a challenge coin for this. For the 33, yeah. Are you kidding me? For the Rubbalizer donation? Yeah, it'd be a nice coin to get. Can we talk to Jay about that?

We could also talk to Paul Couture, who actually designed the best stuff. Oh, that's right. That's right. He did all the challenge coins. Yes. But I think all we need is the design and contact of who to manufacture it by. I think that's the dynamite. I was telling Tina about this and she's like, first of all, she's like, oh, wow, this is so unbelievable. So she's so grateful whenever that happens with all donations. Because my portion she takes right away.

And she says, what do they get? I said, they get a Robolizer donation. She says, what? Do you don't even get some? She said, don't they get a drone or something? It sounds like a drone. I don't know about a drone, but I think the challenge coin is a great idea.

So thank you both very much. We'll start working on it. Baronet Paul is in Fort Worth, Texas, $350.93. So it's probably a three, three, three, I'm thinking. This donation brings me to Baron status should the peerage committee approve. Well, of course we do. Jobs, contracts, and sales karma. I can vouch for Linda Lu's stellar services.

That's Linda Lu Pakim at ImageMakers, Inc. With a K.com. Everyone compliments me on my resume and the intro letter she wrote are super useful, as well as the schooling I got from her on finding potential consulting clients. She's the best. Please deduce my girlfriend, Masha June, who asked me to stop playing No Agenda in the Car. Also who asked me to stop playing No Agenda in the car. She really enjoyed the Iran coverage as her family is in... Isfahan? Where's Isfahan?

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The wet nose in it sounds kind of creepy. We're creating homemade dog and cat treats. We all natural ingredients and using technology technology to optimize the recipes I'm an industrial engineer after all no weird ingredients We'll be starting at Fort Worth area farmers market soon and then expanding to our website Stay tuned for delicious and healthy options for your furry friends We'll also be able to produce custom treat recipes for dogs with illnesses and specific nutritional needs. How about that? Trump's Jobs Karma, Why Are You Raffing? Shut up slave, that's true little Gourrier and thank you for the sanity, thank you for your courage. So there's two karmas in there, a lot of karmas requested

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Or I love the last show art and wanted to recognize and celebrate D day a salute to the greatest generation as a millennial I can't help but notice the difference in generations between between those who are younger and our Grandparents kidding the wars of the first half of the last century made for some tough in generations between those who are younger and are grandparents. No kidding. The wars of the first half of the last century made for some tough SOBs. Good times make for soft men. Soft men make for hard times and hard times make for hard men. It's just what I just said. It's what you said.

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We go out, we hit people in the mouth. Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Ooh! Water! Water! Ah! Shut up, slave! Yes, shut up, slave! Yes, shut up!

Oh, actually I had a... This is interesting, just a little update. No clip... No clip to play, but... Slave! Slave! Slave! Slave!

Slave! Slave! Slave! Oh, actually, I had a, um, this is interesting. Just a little update. No, uh, no clip, uh, no clip to play, but that's right. The ever ongoing vape wars. Um, after, so you remember the, the FDA, US food and Drug Administration really went after vape juice and vapes in general and made it so that if you even wanted to introduce a vape juice onto the market, you had to pay them $1 million per flavor, per nicotine level, which pretty much cleared everybody out. Everybody fell apart.

The whole industry went dead, including Juul. And guess what? Now they've reversed their decision on the Juul vape. Huh, what are the chances? What are the chances that they ruined an entire industry and then let the incumbent big wig back in? This is why we need Chevron deference. What a bunch of horrible people.

Yeah, I'd say. It's really, it's really unconscionable what they did there. Of course you won't hear. I have a cannabis clip from NPR. Oh, let's spark it up here. Researchers at UCLA say roughly one in five adults seeking routine health care are using cannabis. Details from NPR's Will Stone.

That one in five statistic comes from a large study of electronic records collected from about 175,000 patients. They had been asked about cannabis use ahead of their annual wellness visit in the UCLA health system. The majority of patients using cannabis said they did so to manage symptoms. The most common being sleeplessness, pain, and anxiety. About 40% said they used cannabis weekly. Inhaling cannabis was about as common as ingesting it. The results generally aligned with previous research. Those between the age of 18 and 29 were much more likely to use cannabis than people over 60.

Yeah. I don't know. No, I don't think this is true. I think people over 60 aren't going to tell the doctor that they're using cannabis. If you go to those stores, you'll find that, especially outside of California, you'll find that the pot stores are filled with old ladies. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I never thought it was a good idea to have the pot stores and you got to show your ID and then you're on record somewhere. And then all of a sudden they're doing studies on you and they're doing news articles. But there's a lot that they're doing, particularly when it comes to products of addiction, et cetera. One of them being the internet itself. On the medical watch for you this afternoon, excessive use of the internet is reshaping teenage brains.

That's according to a new study by researchers at the University College London. Alison Kranick is a licensed counselor with Northwestern Medicine, McHenry Hospital. She's an expert on treating children and teens who are experiencing an internet addiction. Allison, thanks for being with us. Thanks for having me. All right, first of all, let's clarify, what is an addiction and what is a teenager

just being a teenager? Sure, so in the US, there's not currently a diagnosis for internet addiction. However, there are several similarities between what we refer to as substance use disorders and the problems we see associated with heavy smartphone use and social media use. So this includes things like cravings to use, unsuccessful attempts to reduce their use, feeling powerless to change their use, and a negative impact on relationships as a result of use.

So when you start to see these things, that's when we start to think there might be more of a problem versus teens just being teens. In some regards, it's a bit like alcohol or anything else when it starts affecting other areas of your life. And this study essentially said, much like some other things we get addicted to, it can rewire the brain. Talk a little bit more about that. Yeah, that's exactly right. So we know that when we overuse things like smartphones and social media, it kind of, it gets into our reward system in the brain, which involves this chemical dopamine,

which is essentially we do something good, it feels good and we want more. So then it goes on and on and on about, okay, okay, fine, we get it. But what's happening is studies like this are popping up and they're now using it for the following. This is happening in New York. We have breaking news right now. Your state is one step closer to having two new laws that will protect kids online. Both measures have just made it through the legislature and Governor Hockel says

that she will sign them. One statute is designed to restrict algorithms that hook kids on social media and the other will limit the collection of personal data. The governor says that the state will lead the nation in online safety by implementing these new laws. So look for the following meme. Look for social media is as addictive as cigarettes. That's cocaine. As Oreos. And this will require some form of ID to be used to sign up for your social media website. Elon is salivating, believe me,

because, oh, you might as well just give me all your details so I can open a bank account for you. It's all gonna be groovy, baby. Just trust me. This is- I have a couple of clips on this, but I wanted to preface it with something that happened to me. There's a guy, there's an expert on addiction. I forgot his name. He's a professor and he was notorious for being the king of discussing true addiction. Tiger King? of discussing true addiction. Tiger King?

And he, I don't know who, I can't remember. This was like 25 years ago and I was writing a column about it because I had this thesis at the time that the mouse was an addictive implement because it was like a slot machine lever. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. This was this after the infamous no evidence article? Yes, it was after the no evidence. And so I had this theory about, you know, the mouse and you

get rewards so you get addicted to the computer and you're clicking and you're clicking and you're getting results. So I got a hold of the professor to discuss this with him because I needed, I just really need one attribution so I could throw it in there who I was right. That's how we always do it. Yeah. And he says, no, he says, no, this is bull crap. He says, all these phony baloney addictions aren't addictions. And he was very strict about what's an addiction. It's something you really, you know, it's, it's literally an addiction where you like hooked on heroin

or something like that. The rest of this is all habituation and all these other things that happen to you. None of it's an addiction. There is no such thing as an internet addiction. Yeah, that's what I said. That doesn't sound right. By the way, I wrote the column anyway without his... Hey, if the evidence doesn't...if the experts don't agree, just... Just say it.

Get rid of them. Who cares? I'm just like everybody else in the media. Yes. So why be honest? If the evidence doesn't, if the experts don't agree, just, just say it. Everybody else in the media. So I'd be honest. Well done. Yeah. So, uh, so I, so I take some of these stories, you know, cause I actually took that to heart and, you know, it's not, none of that, this is not an addiction. In fact, even I believe it would say that cocaine was never an addiction. It's just a habituation. So, um,

it's cause people could just stop it. So I have a series of clips on teens in screen time. Ah, here we go. And this was borderline, uh, tip for the end of the show, but it wasn't going to do it as a tip. It's a little too long, but I'm thinking about doing this as this sort of thing as a tip. But this is again, back to NPR, and this is more thinking and some advice. This is advice for you and your teens.

And I think this is actually quite good. Early adolescence is a time when kids are becoming more independent and spending more time on social media. When it comes to curbing screen time in this age group, new research suggests that what parents do really matters. And PR's Maria Godoy reports. I'm the parent of a tween and a young teen. So when I saw the findings of a new study

on parenting strategies and screen use among young adolescents, the first thing that jumped to my mind was Taylor Swift. It's me, I, I'm the problem. My. young adolescents. The first thing that jumped to my mind was Taylor Swift. Oh my! Yep, parent screen time influences how much kids use them. That was one of the study's key findings. Dr. Jason Nagata is a pediatrician at UC San Francisco and the study's lead author. It's really important to role model screen behaviors for your children

because one of the biggest predictors of your child or teenagers screen use is actually parents screen use. The study looked at data from more than 10,000 12 and 13 year olds and their parents who were asked about their screen use habits including texting, social media, video chatting, and watching and browsing online. Even if teens say that they don't get influenced by their parents, it actually, the data does show that actually parents are a bigger influence than they may think. So I'm sure that the kids see their parents dream scrolling all the time. Yeah, well, except in this household.

Yes, this is true. Take a guess of where my phone is. I'm just going to guess it's in the drawer. Exactly. Yes, this is true. Take a guess of where my phone is. I'm just going to guess it's in the drawer. Exactly. Yes, okay. And it's been in the drawer for the last year and a half. And I don't know if it's affected anybody. You do a dinner, everybody still pulls their phones out,

but they're not as much as they used to. And what do you do when people, okay, so when you're at the dinner table and all the young'uns pull their phones out, what do you do? Do you make fun so when you're at the dinner table and all the young ones pull their phones out, what do you do? Do you make fun of them? Do you say something snarky? I say, what?

Is there something important I should know about? I all do that. I do the ridicule. I'll also say, oh, hey, can you look something up for me? One of the things I've always done at the dinner table is there'd be a little debate about something. I say, well, who's got a phone? Let's look it up.

And I make the slaves look this information up for me because I don't have a phone. And they generally do, although I think there's a resentment that takes place. I like that. Like look it up for me. Look it up for me. Yeah. I like how you say that. I like that. I like that. Yeah. It works. After a while while they get a little tired of it. Now just to check, do you still have a landline? Of course. Yeah, okay good. Is it one of those phony VoIP landlines that you get from your cable company?

I hate to admit it, but it actually comes off the sonic digital. I should have a real landline. Like a wire out the window. Exactly. Because it has its own power supply. So if the whole place goes dark, the phone still works somehow. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I don't have that. Which I'd rather have, but I don't.

Okay, this is part two of this. Dr. Jenny Radesky is a pediatrician at the University of Michigan who studies kids and digital media. She says she hears parents express feelings of guilt about their own screen use all the time. Our immediate response is like, I'm terrible. I'm so bad at this. But instead of beating ourselves up, she says parents should realize that we too are vulnerable to technology that's deliberately designed to keep our attention glued. We have been asked to parent around an increasingly complex digital ecosystem that's like actively working

against our limit setting. For ourselves and for our kids. But that doesn't mean we're completely powerless. Nagata's study found that keeping mealtimes and bedtime screen free are effective strategies. Interestingly,'s study found that keeping mealtimes and bedtimes screen-free are effective strategies. Interestingly, the study found that using screens as a reward or punishment actually backfired. It was linked to kids spending more time on their devices. Instead, researchers recommend parents work with their kids to come up with consistent

family guidelines about when it's okay to use screens, and to question what we're really getting out of it whenever we feel compelled to keep scrolling. I do not like her voice. Very bit annoying. Her voice is annoying. She's very annoying. And the other thing is the use of the word screens when they're talking about cell phones. Because that's what we're talking about here and it's screens, these screens on screens. The tip in there was that using screen time as a reward is a bad idea.

So there's two movements here in Texas. One, I have to have a name for it, it's like eighth or something, eight eighth, I can't remember what it is, but the parents are now joining together and they're all, because you know, if one household doesn't have phones, it's no good. So all the parents are now saying, let's not give, in the local school here, let's not give our kids phones at all until eighth grade. And they're having some success with that. But you know, it's-

What does a kid need a phone for in the sixth grade? They don't. That's the point. Now, the other thing is instead of a phone, they give them a gun. Hey, you want a gun instead of a phone? Now you're talking. Yeah. And the kids, that teaches you some real responsibility.

And they go to the shooting range with their kids. Or they can hold up the parents for a phone. Turn her up and give me a phone, mom. Yeah. Oh, these things work quite well. Actually, I have some AI stuff, including a little bit of Boots on the Ground, which I thought is kind of interesting. Adobe updated their terms and service, their terms of service. And Tom Starkweather, one of our producers, our top producers, he quit Adobe.

He's very mad. Have you heard about this? What do you mean he quit? He wasn't working for Adobe. No, he quit using it. He closed his account. And many Adobe users are very angry about 0.4, 0.2 licenses to your content where you know there's the usual you grant us and not because it's all cloud-based you grant us a non-exclusive

worldwide royalty-free sub licensable license to use reproduce publicly display distribute modify create derivative works based on publicly perform and translate the content and even though they came back with a clarification because so many people were mad and were quitting Adobe. Well, people get mad easily, especially when these companies try to take your stuff. Yes, for AI. I mean, that's the whole, that's the whole issue is like, you're taking my stuff. If you're baking it into your LLM and you're in essence using my stuff to sell to

other customers, they're trying to kind of waffle around it, but it's not working. And I think this is a crack. This is an interesting crack in the armor of AI. I didn't know about this. This is interesting. A crack in the armor of AI. And this clip led me to a little bit of research. This is from The Rising.

Free speech or free will? Former CEO of Twitter, Jack Dorsey argued at the Oslo Freedom Forum for the latter. Actually, that's not, that's not, that clip's not interesting. I'm sorry. Don't even need the clip to accentuate. We've been seeing these open AI people writing letters, seeing these open AI people writing letters, open letters to the world. Here's an article, open AI safety staffers are jumping ship. They're jumping ship because they feel that they're not being responsible about the AI, Politico here inside the culture clash dominating. I didn't even know this, but there's a whole lobbying group from OpenAI and other artificial intelligence companies that are all in Washington DC.

And an old favorite came back when I kind of understood what had happened here. Because of course we got Biden's executive order, all the senators had a closed door meeting because there's hundreds of millions of dollars, let's say tens of millions of dollars, maybe hundreds that is going into lobbying for AI. And of course everybody wants to be the most important AI on the block. But all of the people they sent, all of these safety people, the board members that were kicked out of OpenAI, every single one of them, including the person who most recently quit, the co-founder, well he was kind of kicked out, and this guy, Daniel Tajelow, all of these people have one thing in common. Can you guess what it is?

They're investors in AI. They are effective altruists. Oh, no worse. So none of these people are actually technology people. Then as I've looked into it, they all had this idea that they're going to save the world with math. This is what AI is going to do. And they're all so worried that one day, one day, you may be in 10, 20 or 50 years, we'll have an actual human acting artificial intelligence. And they're worried about the future me, the future self.

This is all part of this cult, this effect of altruism. And that's why they're jumping ship, not because there's any actual magic sauce going on there that's doing anything. They just don't like that it's not being done for good and that people are making money on it. It's not right. This whole thing is a farce. I'm reminded of the singularity people. What happened to them? It's the same nut jobs. So this Daniel guy who left, they're nut jobs. He wrote a paper. Just listen, and I read this to Tina, I say, can you tell me what this means?

So then they have, you know, this is how all these people speak with the, it's like they literally use chat GPT. Listen to this abstract of his paper. First, we argue that the appeal of effective altruism, henceforth EA, depends significantly on a certain empirical premise we call heavy tail hypothesis. Which, HTH, which is a show title,

which characterizes the probability distribution of opportunities for doing good. Roughly, the heavy-tail hypothesis implies that the best causes, interventions, or charities produce orders of magnitude greater good than the average ones, constituting a substantial portion of the total amount of good caused by altruistic interventions. Next, we canvas arguments that effective altruists have given for the existence of a positive or right heavy tail and argue that they can also apply in a sort of negative or left heavy tail where counterproductive interventions do orders of magnitude more

harm than ineffective or moderately harmful ones. These people are insane. Oh, you know, makes nothing but sense. Yeah, exactly. I knew you would like it These people are crazy. They're in a cult There's a weird sex angle to all of this polygamy Angles with a lot of polygamy stuff the kicker look at Sam Altman and tell me that guy isn't on the spectrum in a very creepy way And they have nothing they've got a cool demo. Yes, the millennial Mel went back and forth with me. And she says, Hey, I'm a millennial Mel still around

it. She bailed out. No, no. Well, she's in Portland. So she's having a rough time. I think she's actually very happy. That's worse than New York City. She says, Hey, I don't want to convince you of anything, but I've been able to code some stuff. I said, look, yes, absolutely. It can help you code, it can help you write, for an unskilled coder or an unskilled writer, even the GitHub copilot, it definitely helps with coding. Anything that has to do with language, it can help. It's not gonna be creative. You can't say, build me something,

build me the next awesome iPhone app. It has no idea what to do. And the biggest problem is it costs too much money. And right now you're getting it for free or almost $20 a month is free for what it really costs to do this stuff. And that's the phase we're in, in any tech bubble. Eyeballs, baby, eyeballs. It's all about eyeballs. That's all they're doing.

I think it's interesting. I was more kind of fascinated by the heavy tail, which is a derivative of long tail, which was a huge trend. Oh, it's long tail, which was another Silicon Valley, one of the many buzzwords that comes out of Silicon Valley. And they're always derivative, so heavy tail. It makes no sense. It doesn't make any, I mean, long tail is you can kind of understand it if it's explained.

But heavy tail, what does that mean? I don't know, I don't know. What does it mean? I don't know. I don't know. What does it mean? I don't know. I don't know. But they're all very concerned with the world. The guy who started this whole effect of altruism, some Brit, he's like, I give away half, they're doing everything wrong.

I give away half of my money to good causes. No, the half of my money thing. Bill Gates came up with that scam. Yeah. Yeah, give away half your money to us. Yeah. To the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation so we can invest it for it. To the No Agenda Show.

What's wrong with you? Well, that's what I'd like to hear. We got a little of that from Borowski, that's for sure. So this and everyone's falling for it because you get these, you get these, they are, you get these really complicated, actually the… Was I intellectual explanations are very appealing to a lot of people. You get with technology press in particular and the New York Times has a technology guy press in particular. And the New York Times has a technology guy who is not very bright, in my opinion. And all they do is fawn, fawn, fawn, because they want the founder interview. And if

you don't fawn, you don't suck up to the PR people who send you free gear and give you free accounts, then you'll never get the founder interview. Because of course, we all want to interview Elon, or we all want to interview Sam Altman. These are the gods. They're false idols. I'll tell you that that's how it works. And, and I mean, my God, man, Nvidia, it's unbelievable. I was watching the keynote by the CEO. I, I want, I tried to clip it.

I didn't know how he's talking about NIMS and these modules, and it's going to be the new world of manufacturing. This is the new industrial revolution. I'm like, this is a middle-aged Asian guy in a motorcycle jacket. Give me a break. No. It's nuts. I mean, yes, with enough power, which is what they're talking about. The power required for their new stuff is just out of the swirl.

And how effective altruism is. By the way... How does that work with climate change, EA's? How's your heavy tail on that? Back to NVIDIA since you mentioned him. I met this guy, I had a dinner with him some years ago before the company was what it is today. Oh, this guy, the Asian guy in the leather jacket?

Yeah, Jensen. Jensen, yeah. He's a very sharp guy. I think he's at this point in over his head with the latest stuff. And the question comes to mind if I was going to ask him, which I'll probably never get to see him again, because, you know, I'm washed up. Certainly not after the show. After Thursday's show, John and I were talking about being invited. We never get invited to parties. And John literally goes, with a bit of sadness in his voice, I'm washed up. So that's where that came from. Washed up. So what is the deal with this power consumption? I mean, they've always been kind of, Nvidia's always been kind of cavalier about their power consumption. While the whole world is going

in the other direction about God, we got to keep the power down. We got to keep the power down. They've never thought that way. And that, and now it's gotten to the point where it's ludicrous. The amount of power that is chewed up by their chips, they were, they're doomed to failure because it's in the wrong, going in the wrong direction, especially in a world of climate change. Oh, that doesn't seem to matter.

That doesn't hit the heavy tail. I'm just going to keep using this all the time. You know, the heavy tail hypothesis of this is that climate change is not... It's the same as Big Butt, why don't you just use that? No, it's not the same. But yeah, I mean, yes, with enough power, I guess, I mean, we can't even get back to the moon. And the reason why is we don't have enough power. We don't have enough rocket to get there.

This the whole idea of you string enough computers together. Yeah, I guess you can get something out of it. But it's just predictive. It's not smart. It's not intelligence. It's not smart. It's not intelligence. It's just nonsense. And I mean, all that needs to happen is one, we need one company to say, yeah, we're scaling back on this.

We're not in on it anymore. Well, that would be the, who's going to be the first company to say that? I don't, you can't predict that. Ask AI. Ask, ask Chad GBA, which company is going to scale back on AI first? Okay. Chat GPT, which is chat.openai.com. Okay.

Uh, all right. Prompt jockeys. Okay. What is that? What am I asking it? Give me the problem. Which company will scale back on its AI plans first. Okay. It won't answer the question. I guarantee it. Well, okay.

First I got to be a prompt jockey and I'm going to say you are, you are a stock market analyst. Okay. All right. Oh, and I'll sit. That won't work. Analyst. Okay. Here's the question. All right, here we Anel sits, that won't work. Analyst. Okay. Here's the question. All right, here we go. Let's see. Searching.

Google is the company that is scaling back on its AI plans first. There you go. They say it's going to- What evidence is this? Where's the evidence? Google decided to reduce the use of AI generated answers in its search results. That's kind of weak. Google's decision to scale back involves limiting

AI generated content for certain queries. That's not a really good answer. That's just chat GPT slagging off Google. You know what I mean? That's just chat GPT looking at the news stories. Yahoo, exactly. Yahoo news and saying, oh, look at this. Well, it looks like, cause Google didn't make this announcement because it's such a failure

and a laughable failure. And it's creating nothing but ridicule for Google. And so they said that in a press release. And so they picked the press release up and that was their answer. Okay. Pretty much. Pretty much. It's about it. It's all you can come up with. Yeah. I know. They haven't dissolved the department. No, no. But we heard from our other boots on the ground guy at Microsoft. He said, you know, it's so expensive. We had 20 people on one thing and it was, what was it, $2,000 a day or something.

I mean, come on. That's crazy. Of course, you're just a hater. I'm not a hater. It's just, I want to, yeah. What else are we going to talk about? And we happen to understand how this scam works. We've been around Silicon Valley long enough.

We see it. It's a hype. Nvidia now is, you know, one stock keeping the keeping the S&P 500 and all time highs. One stock is keeping the market propped up. It's amazing. It's amazing. It is amazing, I have to say. It's amazing.

What else is amazing is this China's secret police. I don't know if that was the greatest segue I've ever done. Probably the worst, I'd say. Right up there with some of mine. But I do have a couple of clips I want to get out of here. You've had these for a while, I think. Yes, they're not new, but it's going on all over the place and nobody cares. Okay, here we go.

A rare peek into the inner workings of China's secret police operation. A former Chinese spy spilled the beans after defecting to Australia. He spoke with NTD about Beijing's tactics to snatch dissidents overseas. A confession from a former Chinese spy. For 15 years, he worked as an undercover agent, helping Beijing track dissidents around the world and lure them back to China. Anyone that's against the Chinese Communist Party and Xi Jinping could become a target. The former spy goes by the name Eric.

After defecting to Australia, he's now going public, lifting the veil on a global operation to snatch those critical of Beijing. Key to the operation is a unit inside China's top police agency, called the First Bureau. It's in charge of agents like Eric. It's a bit like Stasi, the KGB or Gestapo of Nazi Germany. As a political repression tool, it has only one goal, and that is to maintain the Chinese Communist Party's control.

And that includes controlling voices outside China's borders. Eric was but one agent spinning China's web across the globe, tracking dissidents and waiting for the right moment to bait and trap them. According to reports from safeguard defenders, Chinese authorities were able to coerce 12,000 people to return to China from over 120 countries over the past decade. Many were sent back to China without even their host countries even being made aware. Eric says he was responsible for tracking down dissidents in Australia, Canada, India, Cambodia and Thailand. My main job was to collect information, such as getting inside the target's circle to establish relationships with them.

Also to learn their plans ahead of time. You need to know what they're going to do next. This is really important, even more so than simply arresting an Irish person. What does it have to do with the price of bread? I find it interesting that they've got these agents all over the world grabbing their own people. that they've got these agents all over the world grabbing their own people. Dragging them back, then they stupidly somehow get them to volunteer. I think sometimes they black bag them. But getting them to volunteer, I'll go back, you know, whatever you say, and they go back and get thrown in jail.

Yeah, well good, get them out. Get rid of them. Take them. Take them, China. Take them. You can wait for them at the border. And here's the rest of it. Here's how it works. My handler will send over a list of targets. For example, if they want to coerce someone to return to China, then I will talk to them to come up with a plan for how to approach that person online and in person

to see if I could lure them to a place where it's easier to take control of him. One of the targets was a political cartoonist called Red Pepper. His satirical cartoons often mocked the Chinese Communist Party and its leader, Xi Jinping. It was about the end of 2016. Eric messaged me on Twitter, saying he liked my cartoons and wanted to chat privately. We later communicated through email. He approached me as someone that was pro-democracy. Posing as a real estate agent, Eric asked Red Pepper to design a logo for a project. It went smoothly.

I only knew years later that this was a trap to win my trust. Once the logo was done, Eric extended another job offer with one condition, that Red Pepper had to go to Cambodia for the job interview. But I have a bad impression of Southeast Asian countries, that they're not safe. I don't trust them because of their human rights records, especially Cambodia. So I replied to him saying I wouldn't go. Thailand, Burma, Laos, these countries are the top choices for Chinese secret police

trying to catch dissidents. Local governments turn a blind eye to Chinese operations and sometimes even work with Chinese agents. Red Pepper was in the dark about the plan to snatch him, until a reporter from the Australian Broadcasting Cooperation reached out to him to confirm Eric's story. Turns out the Eric that was in communication with me defected. Eric said he was coerced into working as a spy and always wanted to flee. Asked why he went public with his closely guarded secrets. Of course I have my own reasons.

Some of them I can't really disclose. But also like what the news report said, it fits into my values. I have always believed that the inner workings of these secret worlds should be disclosed one day. Donald Trump, don't trust China! China is asshole! There we go. You know, I wonder how much of this stuff we do.

None of it. None of that. We're not going to bring people back. We tax you on the way out. No. I'm going to bring us back down to earth here with just two clips. These are very important clips because the latest thing that everyone is all concerned about concern we've moved to threat level concerned about Donald Trump concerned about

his revenge. Tonight back on the campaign trail for the first time since he was convicted of 34 criminal counts, former President Donald Trump increasingly focused on revenge. I just went through a rigged trial in New York. In a series of interviews, Trump implying that if he's reelected, he will seek payback against Democrats, including Joe Biden. Look, when this election is over, based on what they've done, I would have every right to go after them. And it's easy because it's Joe Biden.

In an interview with Dr. Phil, he doubled down. You have so much to do, you don't have time to get even. You only have time to get right. Well, revenge does take time, I will say that. It does. And sometimes revenge can be justified, Phil. I have to be honest. Sometimes it can.

In another interview, dodging a question about whether he would order the Justice Department to prosecute Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg, who brought the case that led to his conviction, saying, quote, we're going to see what happens. We, we're going to see what happens. Yes. This is all mind reading. If you listen carefully and parse this, what Trump has been saying, and he's, and I've seen all these, I saw the Phil thing and all the rest of it. He's mostly saying this has to stop and I don't want to continue it. You know, we can't keep going like this. It shouldn't happen to another guy. Like what happened to me,

shouldn't happen to anybody again. I don't care who it is. He's really going out of his way to say just the opposite of what this reporter is saying. This is a lie. This is basically ins, this is dishonest reporting. What is so cool about this and where did it come from by the way? That was a CNN. No, by the way? That was, uh, CNN. No, I'm sorry. That was, uh, ABC. Yeah.

Well, CNN would make a lot of sense, but it's inexcusable. So here's a CNN clip, Laura Coates, and she has Eric Holder, former attorney general, um, on the show. So we should have been arrested. Talking about this revenge. This is probably the most perfect example of what you say when you're yourself with your head through the half.

Oh yeah, this is, I will I want to help you out here. I'm going to preface this for you. This clip is being used a lot by the right to show exactly what you said. What I say you are, I am, is a terrific clip. Can you just describe a little bit in terms of the role of and how it would transform if an attorney general were not looking at things purely from the facts, purely from

the evidentiary burden and how to meet it, but instead taking directives on who to prosecute from the president of the United States. Sure, if the president told a compliant attorney general, I don't like what this congressman said about me or did about me, did to me over the course of the last two, three years, whatever, open an investigation on that person. That attorney general could tell a compliant United States attorney to do just that. Talk to a compliant United States attorney to do just that. Talk to a compliant FBI director who could be replaced by the president to open an investigation and then to just look through that person's life and look for anything that you possibly

can find. And who's to say what you find in any person's life that might run afoul of the law and even beyond that, the mere fact of an investigation of a person who is a public figure can be reputation ruining, can be politically damaging, not even if you find anything, just the fact that the investigation itself exists. And if you've got the full weight of the Justice Department, the full weight of the presidency, the full weight of the FBI focusing on somebody like that, that can be extremely damaging to not only that person individually, but to our democracy

writ large. Exactly what they've done. Exactly what they've done. It's an unbelievable clip. This is a pre-tip. This is before you get the tip. We're just showing you the tip. If someone, we are a constitutional republic in America,

a constitutional representative republic actually. If anyone says that's a danger to democracy or you're a danger to democracy, your answer should be, you're darn right it is. Democracy, the founding fathers called it mobocracy, which is what these people want. This has to stop. We have to change our words. Stop using democracy. Democracy. Oh, is this a threat to democracy? Yeah, it's all a threat to democracy as it should be.

That was my pre-tip. Okay. You don't like it? You don't want my pre-tip? I'm sorry. No. Back to this. I do like it. So I have a couple of clips from the last show that I want to play out because I've decided and I have a thought on this.

These are the two clips of Trump off the hook. One of them is very short. They're both pretty short, but let's start with Trump off the hook, Georgia. Former President Donald Trump won two legal victories today. In Georgia, the Court of Appeals is delaying any action on the election interference case against Trump until October at the earliest. And a federal judge in Florida is postponing key hearings in the classified documents case pending there.

It's all falling apart. is postponing key hearings in the classified documents case pending there. It's all falling apart. There's another clip that says pretty much the same thing. And I was listening to this stuff and I'm going, Oh, that's uh, oh yeah, the reason is because all they wanted to do was be able to use the term convicted felon. Mm-hmm. And so these other cases are now who cares what differences make. We already have him convicted felon on 32, I'm sorry, 34 felonies and it's like that's all you need. That's all they wanted, that's what they got and so these other cases are all gonna fall by the wayside. They're never gonna conclude. We're never gonna hear about him anymore about the documents and Mar-a-Lago or anything else because they got what they wanted, the moniker.

That's all they wanted was that they can use in their promotions for Joe Biden to get reelected. And I think you've seen men, because you're on TikTok all the time, I think you've seen the clips where people go, oh yeah, I'm voting for a convicted felon. I like it. I mean, this is people saying this over and over again. I'm voting for the guy who's a lesser criminal. All of this stuff, it's a total backfire and you still got to wonder, isn't it just exactly done to get him elected so they can do the big rug pull and then have everything collapse,

including Nvidia? All of it in one go. Man, would this play there? I've got some analysis clips. I want to play this one. There's two of them actually, they're pretty good. This is NPR, they bring in analysts and they talk about stuff.

Play NPR analysis Trump 34, this is about that. Been more than a week since Donald Trump was convicted on 34 felony charges. Still early, of course, but any indication if it's changing votes. I think we can say that the conviction has overall been a net negative for Trump, but really only marginally. I mean, that's what polls had showed coming in, that that was most likely, and it seems to be playing out that way so far, it's only been a week since the conviction.

We'll see if this is just a bump or something more lasting. More important is whether this moves any key groups that had been wavering about voting for Biden, in particular, younger voters who'd been the most likely to say beforehand that they could be moved depending on the verdict. This election is expected to be close. Any movement on the margins could be decisive, of course. Wait, so he talks about any key groups that might be affected by this,

and he doesn't mention black males? Well, no, no. They started younger people. They're gonna think twice about this. No, black males don't exist anymore for people at NPR. They're non-existing groups. It seems so. You actually, you nailed it.

Black males are out. That's right. They're no longer important. Screw you, black males. Sounds like blackmail. So I got one, let me play this clip too. This is the NPR analysis about Ukraine and Trump. President Biden is in France as we speak to observe the 80th anniversary of the D-Day

landings in Normandy. In one speech, he said, the heroes of that day are summoning us now. They're not asking us to do their job. They're asking us to do our job to protect freedom in our time, to defend democracy, to stand up aggression abroad and at home. Domenico, he didn't mention Donald Trump by name, but... Yeah. Well, this is a huge dividing line foreign policy between Biden and Trump, very different approaches to the world. And there Biden is implicitly warning against creeping isolationism and separation from

allies, something Trump has really made a hallmark of his own foreign policy, really turning more inward. Biden is more of a traditionalist, believing that American involvement and moral leadership is very important around the world, as obviously was the case in World War II and after it. Of course, the backdrop of all this is the war in Ukraine. Biden supports more funding of the war and standing behind the country under siege from Russia. With Trump on the other hand, there are lots of questions about maybe how much territory

would he encourage Ukraine to give away to Russia in order to get the war to end. This is a very different approaches that we've seen from Biden and from Trump and very different ways in which allies see the approach that the United States could take depending on who wins this election. Your analysis, your analysis. Yeah. P, Trump is an obvious peacenik and he'll do anything to end the war. He doesn't see any benefit in it.

He's a real estate guy, not a military industrial complex guy. And that's what's going to happen. They have to do a reset here. Now taking it a little more in depth where we think that, you know, this whole thing may be a setup. So just to get Trump in for some reason or other, uh, might, might have some influence on that, but now he's, he's not going to let this continue. I, far as I can tell, I could be wrong.

Maybe he's going to turn into a warmonger. I don't see any evidence of it. Of course, the real news is the, the, uh, the, the new thing that is sweeping, uh, TikTok, do the Biden. Have you seen the do the Biden meme? Yes, I actually, I, I reposted it this morning. Yeah. Do the Biden.

Do the Biden. Where you just kind of squat down a little bit, like you're going to poop, like you're pooping. Yeah. It's like everyone's doing it Biden. Do the Biden. Where you just kind of squat down a little bit like you're gonna poop like you're pooping. Yeah, it's like everyone's doing it now. Do the Biden. I mean, it's a very slow dance. Slow dance. Oh yeah, that'd be fun. We're on no agenda. In the middle of the morning. And we do have a couple of meetups, we do have a nighting and we have some title changes and of course some birthdays and we have some people to thank. Our producers who came in, $50 and above right under the executive producer level.

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Brian Williams in Elgin, Illinois. 73, 73. Michael Vivier in San Borgton San Burton New Hampshire 66 33 you want some jobs coming for the news name Ben we'll put that at the end John Bigelow in Glenville Illinois 6102. Grayson Insurance in Aurora, Colorado. Aurora, Colorado. 6006, small boobs. Sir Jonti in Omaha, Nebraska, 60. Sir Eric in Murfreesboro, Tennessee, 5272.

He needs travel karma, and we'll put that at the end. For his sister, Cheryl. Dame Nancy of the Confused in San Bruno, California, 52.44. Josiah Thomas in Ankeny, Iowa, 51. Bad idea supply! Parts unknown. But if you have a bad idea, they've got what you need. 50.50. Edward Mizzur what you need. 50, 50.

Edward in Missouri, in Memphis, Tennessee, 50. These are all $50 donors, and we'll wrap it up with them. Name and location, Ray Howard in Kremlin, Colorado. Robertson Home in Flint, Michigan. Justin Cruz in Tehachapi. Stephen Ray in Spokane. Jaron Pat in Essex, UK, and he's a D-douching. You've been D-douched. William Kidwell in Dover, Delaware.

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Hello, Angola. Okay, now you're talking. There we go. Send us some African news. We won't use it, but send it. No, we will. I can't guarantee. We need the backgrounders anyway.

We need Africa boots on the ground or bare feet on the ground. John Bolter and Ranch Santa Margarita. Sir Jason Deluzio, there he is, he's in Miami Beach. And last on the list is Corey Jad Jackson, I think his misspell is Jackson, I'm pretty sure. In Waterton, Tennessee, and that's our group of producers for show 1667. Yes, thank you again to everybody who produces this show with your time, your talent, and your treasure.

Again, thanks everyone under $50. Remember that these sustaining donations are extremely valuable to us. They help during the slower shows, and if everyone did it, well, the donation segments will be much shorter as well. You get more bang for the buck, but that's just a pipe dream. So thank you, of course, to our executive and associate executive producers and our Rubbleizer donations today.

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That's right, we know the NICU Dad. He's a frequent attendee of the Austin No Agenda Meetups. Viscount Hugger of Kitties now becomes Count Hugger of Kitties. Good to see that. And Baronet Paul becomes Baron Paul the trusted advisor all thanks to another level up in the peerage ladder due to another aggregated $1,000 in total donations doesn't matter how long it takes you can take years you can become a new you can get a new title or you can become a knight or a dame we have one on the list for today so if you can grab your blade, I got it right. It should be a nice one because it is Scott the welder Scott step on up here onto the podium buddy. Thanks to your contributions to the best podcast in the universe. I am

very proud to pronounce the KV as Sir Scott the welder blacksmith of the East for you. We had nothing nothing special at the round table. So we of course have hookers and blow for you, my friend or rent poison Chardonnay. If that's what you're into, it's all good. Redheads and Ries. We got beers and blunts. We have Rubeness women and Rose, Geisha's and Sake, Vodka and Vanilla, Bong, Hits and Bourbon, Sparkling Cider and Escorts, Ginger Ale and Gerbils, Brest, Milk and Pablum.

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so you can seal your important correspondence with it. Actually wanted to thank, hold on. I got one of those in the PO. I love it when I get a note in the PO box that's sealed with night sealing wax. Now this is actually from one of our producers, he is Darius Dickerson. He is Sir Darius Unity Knight of the Sandhill People. And he sent me his book, Unseen Views of OIF, Operation Iraqi Freedom. And so he published this book and this pictures that he took in Iraq during his tour there.

And he writes a little story under each page as a picture. And one of the funniest ones, there's this cement wall and spray painted, you know, kind of like the military letters that they use that they spray paint on all their gear. It says Google WTC seven, please. The whole thing is great. Darius Dickerson wartime snapshots. Thank you very much. So that's what another thing you can do with your with your night ring and your ceiling wax. Always like a party, we heard earlier connection is protection.

You know it is. That's why you need to find your tribe at a NoAgendaMeetup, noagendameetups.com. The 11th Northwest Houston Meetup, Sir Economic Hitman says it was a success. We had myself, Economic Hitman, Ben H, David N, Alex C, Tim, who is Timbo Slice on NASS, our first non-listener, first Fediverse attendee, Fondue from POA.st. We talked about depositions, the Eastern Orthodox Church, the Fediverse, Trump, COVID, and Samuel L. Jackson.

Next meetup, either late July or early August. Find my contact info by going to the latest Meetup pages on noagentandmeetups.com. And we got a recorded report here from the Denver Meetup. Hey, folks. Welcome from the Denver City Parks Meetup. It's the 80th anniversary of D-Day. And with all due respect from Joe Biden, I think a lot of people shit themselves on the beach at D-Day. This is Colin.

This is the thing I am saying right now and I hope you are having a great day in the morning. This is Sir Sue Sayre. I'm working on building my bus and I for one did not poop myself today. It's Josh Assumption. We're just checking in in the morning over at the city park and come by and visit us next time. Denver Meetup out. Sounds like someone brought the gummies. All right thank you very much Denver. Meetups on the horizon. Today there is a Southwest New Hampshire Meetup which is underway as we speak at Keene Local Burger. We've got the Thursday the Meetup 333 Central

Got Balls Meetup at Riverside Park, the Leech Amphitheater in Oshkosh, Wisconsin and coming up we've got Virginia, Mosley Virginia, Ohio, San Diego, of course the big meetup on June 15th at Schiphol Airport in the Netherlands. I will be there. I think over a hundred people have already registered. It's going to be a hootenanny. Pennsylvania, Arizona, Georgia, North Carolina, Fort Wayne, Indiana, Edmonds, Washington, Central Ohio, Tilburg, the Netherlands on the 23rd. The list goes on and on all the way through to July is what I'm seeing here, but they even are registered beyond that. Go to noagendameetups.com to find out exactly

where you can find your tribe, your people. And there's never an argument at these meetups. Well, there may be discussions, but no one ever gets mad. There's never no fist fighting breaking out. It's just a good time and you will have a group of people. Typically, they get a telegram group together and you all talk to each other and you organize things and you're protected because you have been connected. NoAgendaMeetups.com. If you can't find one near you, start one yourself. It's easy. End of party!

Sometimes you want to go hang out with all the nights and days. You want to be where you won't be. Triggered or held to blame. You want to be where everybody feels the same. It's like a party. It's like a party! Like a party, everybody like a party. I have two isos. You have a lot.

Why don't you go first? You got a lot of isos today, I saw. Yeah, these are all experimental isos. Okay, experimental isos it is everybody. What can happen? Start with the top one, enjoy. Okay, here we go. They'll enjoy the food.

Yeah, okay. Forbidden. Which is forbidden in Islam. Okay. Horrible. Horrible. Yeah, I like that one. Nice and clean. Thank you. Thank you.

Very experimental and a classic. It's a new wow. Wow. That's probably the best one. That's a good wow. But I don't know. I may have you beat here. Let's try this one.

A country gone to hell. Come on. Come on. Got nothing to do with the show. I'm going to do the show. I'm going to do the show. I'm going to do the show. I'm going to do the show.

I'm going to do the show. I'm going to do the show. I'm going to do the show. I'm going to do the show. I'm going to do the show. I'm going to do the show. I may have you beat here. Let's try this one. A country gone to hell. Hmm? Come on. Come on. Got nothing to do with the show. That is insane. Eh? Hmm. Borderline.

Borderline? Well, what do you like? I mean, I think... Where's the rest of yours? I only had two. I only said I had two. Thank you. I think the thank you... Maybe I can do the... Wow.

Thank you and wow together. Let me see, because that might actually be a little better. Hold on. Let me see. Thank you. Wow. How about the other way around? Wow, thank you. Let me see.

Wow. Thank you. You call it. Which way do you want it? I know it's hard, right? The part with the thank you is it doesn't have the same intonation as the wow. I think thank you and then... How about horrible and horrible and thank you? Let me see.

I didn't like the horrible. Let's try it. Horrible. Thank you. No, just do thank you. I'm done with this. We'll just do thank you. And now, ladies and gentlemen, it is time for, you know what it's time for. Green advice for you and me.

Just a chip with JCB. And sometimes Adam. Hey, man. That's a jingle. That's a jingle right there. Thank you, shwoo. All right, what's your tip? I thought you had the tip.

No, we're going to do a tip off. You do the tip, then I do a tip. Don't you remember? Okay, I got a tip. All right, what's your tip? This is a tip for people who have the habit of drinking soda or water or whatever and doshing it with a bunch of apple cider vinegar. It's either for health benefits, gut health, so you don't have a leaky gut, gut health

or losing weight. Go to Amazon.com and get the Hingstenberg 13 Fine Herbs flavored German vinegar seasoning instead and use that instead of apple cider vinegar. It is delicious in a, like I'm using it now, the topo Chico You dump a bunch of it in like a tablespoon of the vinegar into the water and you got something that's refreshing and delicious It's Hengsten burger you can look it up by putting herb flavored vinegar and you'll find there's a bunch of people that make these things All right I have three tips actually for my tip. Tip one. Three?

Yes, tip one, never ever ask your wife to help you with the tip. She was very mad. She said, you should do your own tip. Second tip, sending email to me marked important puts you to the bottom of the list. Do you see this? People who send email and then go through the trouble of marking it important and then even asking for a return receipt? Bottom of the list.

I haven't had that probably for 10 years. Oh, it happens every day in my email program. That's because you never answer your email. I'm very good at answering email. You don't even in my email program. That's because you never answer your email. I'm very good at answering email. You don't even answer my email. What are you talking about? No, because on Thunderbird, which I've been using to great success.

Thunderbird! Actually, it shows up as red and then it's very annoying. So I just delete it right away. Oh, I see. Okay, well that's no good. And finally- You can disable that coloring. And finally, if you are a fan of making coffee with ground coffee,

so in a filter or the way I do it, which is with the French press, put a dash of salt brings prosperity to your family. Hmm? Yeah, them some dangerously good tips. John C. Dvorak with the tip of the day, he's gonna tell us what he would do in every possible way John just the tip! There you go we gotta work on it the jingles are better than the tips so far but we're working on it working on it had some other tips but I decided against them just gonna go with these tips.

Thank you all very much, trolls, for tuning in. I wouldn't go away if I were you, because coming right up on the stream, we have That Larry Show. That Larry, who donates to this show. He's the one with the big pipes. The big heavy voice. And he will be unmasking demons on today's show. Whoa, whoa. Ooh. We got some other show mixes. the big heavy voice and he will be unmasking demons on today's show uh... we got some interesting mixes professor jay jones winds it all up for us

with uh... he's from china so be careful before they roust you send you away or back or whatever it is and where are the people doing uh... songs john wanted to know we need more parody songs coming to you from the heart of the Texas Hill Country here in Fredericksburg, Texas. In the morning everybody I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley where everybody's wondering why we haven't got good end-of-show mixes anymore. I'm John C.

Dvorak. Remember us at NoAgendaDonations.com or for the old schoolers Dvorak.org slash NA. Until Thursday everybody, have a great Sunday. Adios, mofos, a hooey hooey, and such. What? What? Da da da da da da da da da da. Telling the truth is a bad idea.

You wanna come to this college, buddy? You're gonna get vaccinated. Telling the truth can be dangerous. You wanna work for us to get vaccinated? How dare you? difficult telling the truth can be dangerous business I'll tell you. Oh, is that brilliant? When you make it difficult for people in their lives, they lose their ideological bullshit. Children in school were put in plastic bubbles, forced to wear masks, muzzled in their schools.

You belong in prison, Dr. Fauci. While you and all your cronies get paid from Big Pharma, how dare you? Your repulsive evil science. Telling the truth can be dangerous. Shut your mouth, I'm talking. Honest and popular, don't go anything. Are you from the county or something?

If you admit that you should play the accordion, the longer you're gonna live in this world. Is that brilliant? This is your own email. You just keep laughing. Effective in keeping out virus. When you make it difficult for people in their lives. For crimes against humanity. That you don't understand the meaning of respect.

They lose their ideological bullshit. You make it difficult for people in their lives. For crimes against humanity. But you don't understand the meaning of respect. They lose their ideological bullshit. While you and all your cronies get paid. But we can't sing our hearts out. How dare you? And if we're lucky with no faces to blame. You belong in prison. Dr. Fauci.

Dr. Fauci, you've become a doctor. But you don't understand the meaning of respect. Telling the truth. Dr. Fauci, you've become Dr. idea. But you don't understand the meaning of respect. Dr. Fauci, you've become Dr. business. You just keep slapping. You belong in prison. Dr. Fauci, forced to wear masks, muzzled in their schools. Children in school were put in plastic bubbles. Oh, is that brilliant?

Everybody but me has an APAC person. It's like your babysitter, your APAC babysitter. Like the walls, APAC sticks to the walls. What does that mean, an APAC person? And they've got your cell number? That's wrong what AIPAC is doing to you. Let me talk to my AIPAC person. Has the congressman been to Israel? They don't have a Germany dude.

I'll talk to my AIPAC guy and see if I can get him to... Is there any other Republican who has your views on this? Why would they want to tell their constituents, I wish I could vote with you today? Every member has some of your views? Firmly embedded in APEC. I'll talk to my APEC person. And they've got your cell number.

Is there any other Republican who has your views on this? Everybody but me has an APAC person. It's like your babysitter, your APAC babysitter. They don't have a Germany dude. That's wrong what APAC is doing to you. Let me talk to my APAC person. Everybody but me has an APAC person. I'll talk to my APAC guide.

See if I can get him to... The best podcast in the universe. MoFo. Dvorak.org slash NA Google Google Wow