No Agenda - 1671 - "It's The Boyfriend"

Episode Date: June 23, 2024

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Let's have a meeting Adam Curry John C DeVore This is no agenda From northern Silicon Valley where everybody knows that tea is good for you. I'm John C. DeVorek. It's Crackpot and Buzzkill. In the morning. No, it's not.
Starting point is 00:00:32 What do you mean it's not? I think tea is good for you. This is not a fact. Yeah, it is. Ask any Chinese person. Okay. You got a lot of them around there. Yeah. not a fact? Yeah, it is. Ask any Chinese person. Okay. You got a lot of them around there.
Starting point is 00:00:51 Have you heard about your Chinese person in Oakland? She's a Hmong. Oh, she's not Chinese. She's Hmong. She's Hmong, which is a Cambodian ethnic group. Oh, okay. I thought it was pretty, I thought the whole, I thought the whole story, you wanna hear the story? Actually, I clipped it for you. Yeah, you should play it
Starting point is 00:01:15 because I don't think anybody knows it. No, this is a part of the season of reveal as a- Sees more like the season of corruption, but go ahead. It's been 48 hours since the FBI raided the home of Oakland Mayor Shane Tao along with at least two other locations and the mayor is nowhere to be seen we still don't know exactly what the FBI was looking for yesterday we heard the mayor's side of the story sort of she did hire an attorney former prosecutor Tony brass he suggested that there is no evidence that
Starting point is 00:01:45 Tau is actually the target of the FBI investigation and that she had no idea what was even happening. It was my assumption that she would have been asked for information or documents or devices if they were needed and that she must have refused that if they got a search warrant. So I'm quite surprised that the search warrant was the first she'd heard of this investigation. The optics are bad, but the fact is that she is going to cooperate with the investigation and she would have done that in the first place. Brass also said Mayor Tao is working from a remote location because of the media circus around the raids and that she will release a statement sometime next week. So what's great about this story is so she is Hmong. What did you say?
Starting point is 00:02:26 Hmong Tao, Chak Tao, what is she? Hmong. Hmong. What is the difference between? H-M-O-N-G. What is the difference between Chinese and Hmong? Well the Hmong are Cambodian which is anything but Chinese. Wow. It's the South, Southeast Asian, all that whole area is not Chinese. Do they eat sushi? No, I don't think so. But it does beside the point. The Hmong were kind of escaped from Cambodia during the period of Pol Pot and other situations. There's lots of Hmong in the San Francisco Bay area.
Starting point is 00:03:07 In fact, if you go to a farmer's market, two or three of the stalls are Hmong. And they're great if you chat with them. They're great people. I mean, if the Hmong are great people, this has got to be a huge humiliation to the Hmong population in the San Francisco Bay area because this woman is apparently corrupt.
Starting point is 00:03:26 And everyone kind of suspected that. But wait, but wait, but wait, there's more. It's not her. Yeah, this is the follow-up story. It's not her, it's the boyfriend. Yeah, you didn't know that, did you? Well, I didn't, actually, I didn't hear this part of it, but I can say this is that they've been trying to recall her
Starting point is 00:03:47 Long before this investigation began because she's got some screwiness about her. Yeah, including the not, you know having some hard-on regarding the ex-chief of police and some other issues with the police department and And there's been a recall going on for at least six months and there's been a recall going on for at least six months. And so there's, yeah, maybe the boyfriend's got something to do with it, but she's suspicious. Well, we have a former chief of staff who is blowing the whistle and they've got great video of her, I guess, during her election,
Starting point is 00:04:20 or I guess when she was chosen, you know, elected as mayor and he's behind her, leaning over like whispering in here like yeah Yeah, tell him this tell him this now it helps that he's black It just makes the whole thing fabulous Renea Webb worked closely with and had access to shame town that few people had for a year and four months Webb served as town's right-hand person working as chief of staff when Tau was the district four council member. Webb says she volunteered and spent countless hours on Tau's mayoral campaign in 2022.
Starting point is 00:04:51 She says she also led Tau's transition team after Tau won the election. A lot of what's coming out now is the reason I resigned shortly thereafter winning the election. She was more sad than surprised about FBI agents raiding Taos home on Thursday. I wasn't surprised. I was like, finally. Finally the truth is coming out. Webb accuses Taos boyfriend Andre Jones of being the mastermind and running pay to play schemes during Taos campaign for mayor and after she won. I had found out that Andre, her boyfriend, was promising people jobs in our administration,
Starting point is 00:05:29 promising people appointments on different commissions and boards from out of the mouths of people that told me they were promised positions, they were promised board positions, and at the mouth of what they would always, Andre, you know, that was who they would say, Andre, promise me this. Webb claims Jones was controlling and calling the shots. She says Tao went along with him. It's sad. He's making her do things, pushing her to do things
Starting point is 00:05:54 that I don't believe she would do otherwise. Ah, blaming on the boyfriend, blaming on the boyfriend. Oh man, blaming on the black guy. Yeah, exactly. Oh brother. He looks pretty Yeah, exactly. Oh brother. He looks pretty shady, I gotta tell ya. They got good video of him like whispering in their ears. Yeah, now blame it on the boyfriend.
Starting point is 00:06:13 Yeah, it's great. It's fantastic. We are a little shakeout eventually. They've raided a number of places. I think his house may have been one of them, but this has been going on for about a week or two. She's not to be found now. She's blown the coop. No, no, she's remote location. She's in Cambodia. Yeah, she's in Cambodia.
Starting point is 00:06:37 So we're kind of in the summer doldrums, although right now it's the B teams, most of the New York elites, certainly the news elite, they're all off to the Hamptons. You know, we've got July 4th weekend coming up. We're only gonna really focus on one thing, which is all the debate. So all the news is the debate, the debate, the Trump in the debate. And so instead of doing what we used to do during these summer months, I remember quite well when I was a kid, and I think you remember this as well, when we hit the summer, it will be hot. And we'd show pictures of people at the beach, kids at the swimming pool. You got some poor kids in the fire hydrant. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:07:25 Exactly. And be like, wow, it's hot. And maybe there would be a joke. Wasn't it, who was it that said sons of beaches? Remember that whole summer when it was, was that Reagan or was that one of the presidents called someone on an open mic a son of a B and And then, you know, all the weather guys are going, oh, it's going to be sun on the beaches. And I don't remember that at all.
Starting point is 00:07:51 I'll have to look at that. I'll have to look that one up. So instead, they're so lazy now. We got COP 29 coming up in November in Baku. So instead of just showing the fun little, you know, swimming pool, the beaches, you know, swimming pool, the beaches, you know, it's everyone having a good time. It's hot. That's right. It's hot. The old frying an egg on the pavement in New York. I mean, this is what we used to do in
Starting point is 00:08:15 the summer. No, now it's extreme heat climate change. Breaking overnight, Amtrak says two train lines between Newark, New Jersey and New York City are canceled until further notice due to an equipment failure. That will surely take a toll on today's commute during the extreme heat. Service has been restored along the rest of the northeast corridor after yesterday's power failure which shut down service. Meanwhile, metro operators in the Washington D.C. area had to slow down their trains, concern
Starting point is 00:08:43 the extreme heat would expand the rails. And no relief today. Highs could hit 96 in parts of the Northeast, and we're expecting mostly 90 degree readings across the Midwest. Parts of the upper Midwest are dealing with extreme flooding, including Minnesota, and more storms are expected today. We'll check your forecast in just a few moments.
Starting point is 00:09:02 It's all extreme, it's so hot, even though it's three weeks later than normally these hot temperatures come in, we can still make it sound like there's something, a crisis going on. Ginger Stratus is off on the dangerous temperatures and the air quality alerts in parts of the country. Ginger, good morning. Hey, good morning. Here in New York City, we had our first official 90 of the season. 90? Oh no. And while that was about three and a half weeks behind average, look at this shot from New York City. Now
Starting point is 00:09:28 that we've broken the seal of 90 degrees from WABC, we see from the helicopter there, it's hazy, hot, and humid. We should stay above 90 throughout the weekend, which would be then our first official heat wave. I mean, it's later than usual, but it's a heat wave. It's our first 90. We've unsealed it. Oh, no. But you know, we've topped all this in California. Oh, you have? Yeah. Well, I mean, right now it's cold out, of course, you know, it's typical. But no, we decided to pass a law. You got a law? What kind of law did you get?
Starting point is 00:10:06 Play the clip, a law. You got a law? What kind of law did you get? Play the clip, California law. No, hold on a second. California law. And a new rule is in effect in California, protecting people who work indoors from dangerous heat. And Piers Alejandro Barrunda has more. More than a million people in California work jobs indoors that expose them to the kind of heat that can make people sick.
Starting point is 00:10:26 Tim Shaddix is the legal director at the Warehouse Worker Resource Center in Southern California. In the states, thousands of warehouses. The worst places we've seen, you know, in the summer, those workplaces, they're kind of, they're like a tin can baking in the sun. Employers will now have to provide water and cool down spaces for employees when it's above 82 degrees. Cool down. Past 87, they'll have to find ways to cool work spaces with tools like fan. Wait, wait, stop it.
Starting point is 00:10:50 Stop it. They have to do this at 82 degrees? Yeah. Do you realize that people go to Hawaii because it's 82 degrees all the time there? Yeah. Yeah, it's beautiful. All we need is a cool down space. But now if it's 82 degrees, which is like the perfect temperature,
Starting point is 00:11:07 you know, if you want to just enjoy your life. No, no, now it's like a disaster. Yeah. And then if it's 87, oh, we don't know what we're gonna do. Sign. Employers will now have to provide water and cool down spaces for employees
Starting point is 00:11:21 when it's above 82 degrees. Past 87, they'll have to find ways to cool work spaces with tools when it's above 82 degrees. Past 87 they'll have to find ways to cool work spaces with tools like fans or air conditioning or just work requirements. What did she say then? Fans, air conditioning or just work? Fans or air conditioning. No, she said and- Or just work requirements. Adjust work requirements.
Starting point is 00:11:39 Oh, adjust work requirements. In other words, slow down. It's like a union slow down. Slow down! Got her boots on the ground from one of our producers. He says, you know, this is Josh. I was listening to 1670 in the New York heat wave as someone who's worked outside for 14 years in Southern Arizona. I have little boots on the ground. Arizona, now that's hot. Here we go. When this heat dome passed through, it was toasty, sure, but local news and radio blasted out excessive heat warnings and dangerous heat wave.
Starting point is 00:12:11 What was the high in Tucson on those days? 102. I've lived in Tucson since 2007, ridden motorcycles year round. Sure, it's warm, but I know for a fact, the first time I heard an excessive heat warning, it was issued when we were going to hit 118. The last few years still working outside, I've noticed excessive heat warnings being issued over 110. Always thought to myself, that's strange.
Starting point is 00:12:40 That seems lower than it used to be. But I could never remember at what point they issued the heat warnings. Well, since it was registered in my mind at 110 when they issued the 102 excessive heat warning a couple of weeks ago, I couldn't believe it. That's a nice day in the middle of summer for Tucson. So he's, I agree. Everybody's noticing this.
Starting point is 00:13:00 But so, this is ridiculous. The news media is off the rails Well, we need to keep our eye on this because this is where they're gonna they're gonna get us with this nonsense And we're laughing at it, but we can't just laugh about it because it's killing the newcomers Parts of the US and Mexico are in the grip of a searing heat wave with the Northeast United States seeing record high temperatures On the southern border with Mexico, an arid climate already means hot weather, but now that heat has turned deadly
Starting point is 00:13:29 for migrants attempting to cross the border. Migrants, no, not even illegal migrants, just migrants, just migrants. Yeah, it's killing the newcomers. They're dying out there of heat exhaustion. And at the United Nations, they have a survey which shows something that I don't think anybody believes.
Starting point is 00:13:45 The recent heat waves sweeping across Europe, Asia, and now the eastern half of the US are no surprise to climate scientists and UN officials. Do we need an exit ramp off the highway to climate health? This week's heat dome is centered over Maine and New Brunswick, Canada. So that's where the most intense departure from average is going to occur. The record temperatures across Asia, Europe and the Middle East have reportedly caused hundreds of deaths, including many Muslim pilgrims attending the Hajj at the Grand Mosque in Mecca. Saudi state TV reported temperatures hitting nearly 52 degrees Celsius.
Starting point is 00:14:21 What we concluded from this study is that human-induced warming from burning fossil fuels made the five-day maximum temperature event about 1.4 degrees hotter than it used to be in the pre-industrial period. A new UN report surveyed more than 75,000 people across 77 countries. Eighty percent, or four out of five people globally, want their governments to take stronger actions to tackle the climate crisis. Over half of people said they think about the climate crisis either daily or weekly and two thirds say that they incorporate decisions around their lives,
Starting point is 00:15:02 where they live, where they work, what they buy by taking into account the climate crisis. Now, do they take into account the climate crisis or do they take into account the weather? I'm going to think it's the weather. Oh, look at this cute top. Let me think that would be perfect for the climate crisis this summer. This is so ridiculous. You know, the other thing is about these deaths at the Hajj. I would- There's always people dying there. There's always, and they're usually from out of town because the locals in the
Starting point is 00:15:35 Middle East- They're from out of town. What you, hey, are you from around here? They're not from around there. They're from Indonesia. You know, the big Muslim country in the world is Indonesia and there's other countries they have a lot of a lot of Muslims They go to the Hajj once in their life. Yeah, and then they did stay out and they're never been to the Middle East you don't know you don't even go outside between I think it's like 1130 and four and
Starting point is 00:15:59 It's unbelievable. They had a lot of a lot of reports on the BBC when I was still over there. I'm back in Texas obviously when I was still over there. It was about these people who had died. They had horrible stories like some grandma who was 72 called with her last dying breath, called her daughter as she dies on the phone. What most of them were talking about was that they had illegal tour operators who weren't officially sanctioned
Starting point is 00:16:31 to bring people over to the Hajj. You know, it was like some people scamming them and like not giving them water and shelter. Wow. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, well they're basically murderers. So I just want to stick with the climate crisis here. Joy Reid had an interesting twist on the money scamming being done off of this.
Starting point is 00:16:59 But we begin tonight with the lucrative politics of climate collapse and the greed that is literally letting our country burn. Okay. So, instead of people ripping us off for this nonsense, she's just twisted it around. I think that's what we call gaslighting. Today millions of Americans from Iowa to Maine are suffering through heat warnings, watches, or advisories.
Starting point is 00:17:23 Hold on, stop. She's correct. We're only suffering through the warnings, not the actual advisories. Hold on, stop. She's correct. We're only suffering through the warnings, not the actual heat. That's exactly what I noticed. They're suffering from heat warnings. And advisories. I am suffering from that, yes.
Starting point is 00:17:36 Today, millions of Americans from Iowa to Maine are suffering through heat warnings, watches, or advisories. Cities across half of the country, like Chicago, St. Louis, Indianapolis, Detroit, Philly, and now New York are hitting temperatures exceeding 90 degrees Fahrenheit. Whoa! Oh no!
Starting point is 00:17:54 Oh no! Ha ha ha! It feels closer to 100. This feels like has gotta stop. I mean, this feels like- Well, that's a good point. That has become a common mean, this feels like... Well, that's a good point. That has become a common occurrence, this feels like.
Starting point is 00:18:09 Feels like. And it's like, do you really know the difference between 92 and 100? And why does it feels like? Is that because of the wet bulb? Is that what we're back to now? Feels like? That's what I'm guessing. Are hitting temperatures exceeding 90 degrees Fahrenheit, though it feels closer to 100.
Starting point is 00:18:29 Many of these cities could experience heat indexes hitting 105 degrees. Heat indexes, mind you, heat indexes. That's not the temperature, it's the heat index. 105 degrees by Sunday. These increasingly oppressive hot days aren't a coincidence. They aren't, they are the predictable impact of a climate crisis.
Starting point is 00:18:51 Oops, you flubbed that one too, which is interesting. These increasingly oppressive hot days aren't a coincidence. They aren't, they are the predictable impact of a climate crisis. I missed it. And they're not just an inconvenience, they're also killing us at higher rates. Killing us.
Starting point is 00:19:05 Heat related deaths among older Americans have increased 54% in recent decades. In Florida, changing weather patterns are bombarding the southern tip of the state with a seemingly never ending series of storms that have left whole streets flooded, cars crippled, and two people dead. In California, more than 20 fires
Starting point is 00:19:25 were sparked across the state since Saturday, burning over 20,000 acres. But we have 300 million people in this country. We had two people dead? Yeah, yeah, but you know, hey, it could have been you. And listen to the fires. In California, more than 20 fires were sparked across the state since Saturday,
Starting point is 00:19:43 burning over 20,000 acres. These aren't just climate stories. They're actually economic stories because people are getting paid good money to ignore them. Ah! Oh! Do we get any money for ignoring it? Well, I think she's talking about us.
Starting point is 00:20:01 These podcasters, good money. Yeah, but we're not getting any, we're not getting good money. To say the least. Yeah, no kidding. Well, there's part two to this. Not only have big donors bought themselves some politicians. They got some podcasters in their pocket too. But they've also bought themselves a federal judiciary that cares more about rich corporations
Starting point is 00:20:19 and wealthy donors than they do about your health and wellbeing. The Supreme Court is the most pro-oligarch of all time. Pro-oligarch of all time? This is some good script writing. I mean, she's really nailing it with the Heat Index and the feels like and the pro-oligarch. I guess she's talking about the Supreme Court. We do have an interesting twist, although she won't mention it by name. The six Leonard Leo justices, Barrett, Kavanaugh, Gorsuch, Alito, Roberts, and Thomas have the
Starting point is 00:20:53 most, I repeat, the most pro big business voting records in the history of the court. Is that true? Can we verify that they have the most? I don't think you can verify that. The most pro-business, well, oligarchs. This is again, this is all about the Chevron deference which is coming up shortly. That's right, that's right. Listen, listen. They've ruled that corporations are people, that the Environmental Protection Agency cannot protect you from pollution, and they're ready to go even further-
Starting point is 00:21:19 Hold on a second, stop it. At least three of those justices weren't involved in the corporations are people decision. Yeah, they were on their own. It predates Gorsuch, it predates Jamie, it predates the other way. Good catch. Good catch?
Starting point is 00:21:38 So she's a liar. No. No. Stop. There's gambling. Our mental protection agency cannot protect you from pollution and they're ready to go even further by stifling the regulatory power of all federal agencies. There we go.
Starting point is 00:21:54 Stifling the power. I can't wait for Chevron Deference to come up. That's going to be so cool. The freak out though is it's weird. Why? Why is she or anybody else defending the bureaucratic state? Is it because possibly that really is the deep state and and this is where they get their their information from and this is
Starting point is 00:22:18 you know they've got their buddies on the inside. I mean, whenever Veritas, no, what is the name? O'Keefe. Whenever O'Keefe gets someone, which is usually some poor gay guy, it's always someone from inside these agencies. So you've got to think that that's probably where the news media gets everything from. And the CIA is also an agency, FBI is an agency. All of these agencies are, well, I'm not so sure about the CIA and FBI, but EPA, Department of Education, I mean, Department of Homeland Security, these are all on the block potentially. Well, yeah, CIA and FBI wouldn't be. They're not doing policy so much as secret police work. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:14 Brown shirt stuff. But it's like, this freak got still, and I will repeat this complaint of mine, which is that we never had this Chevron deference before 1984, and we had plenty of these agencies. this complaint of mine, which is that we never had this Chevron deference before 1984 and we had plenty of these agencies. I was one of them and more in one of them and they got along just fine. Famously they didn't need anything any special help and then they got the special help and it was ironic because
Starting point is 00:23:41 it was when the EPA was pulled back with the reins were they were pulled in by the Reagan administration to do less regulating that's when they get when the suit happened it was just kind of the beyond ironic and then they realized that they could make hay with this and so once the Democrats got empowered then they went the in the other direction nobody could do anything about it. But before 1984, there was not an issue. Why is it now suddenly an issue?
Starting point is 00:24:12 Well, NPR is starting to wise up to a couple of things, mainly the scam that is the carbon offsets, which, I mean, you can buy this on your plane ticket, when you rent cars, there's all kinds of different places. Whoa, once you add a 2% or 5% and save the earth. If you've ever wondered if that's a scam, people who get oops, you ever wonder if that's a scam? Listen to NPR.
Starting point is 00:24:41 First off, what really is a carbon offset? I spoke to Danny Cullenward at UPenn about this. He says an offset is basically a promise. It's a promise that somebody else did something good somewhere else that resulted in a climate benefit. It could be a promise that someone protected a forest that would have been cut down or a promise that someone made a wind farm and switched from fossil fuels. The key promise being your money is actually reducing or removing planet heating pollution like that carbon dioxide pollution from your flight or your car rental.
Starting point is 00:25:17 But Barbara Haya at UC Berkeley says there's a problem. Most offsets don't represent what they claim. There are two big ways many offsets can be false promises. First, many offset projects overestimate their impact. For example, many offset projects that claim they're saving forests from deforestation, research finds many are getting money for forests that don't actually need protection. So then is there any actual accountability if a carbon offset company makes a climate claim that's false? Is there a way for consumers to take action or is there enforcement here? In California, there is a bill in the state assembly right now. All those promises of climate benefits that carbon offset companies make, this
Starting point is 00:26:05 bill would make those claims legally enforceable. So there's still time to get in. I think we didn't, isn't this where the whole nap for humanity came from? Isn't that where the whole idea came from? Yes, I think there was one of them. And that was like, I think we did that over a decade ago. Let me check. I might have... If you remember, there was a vending machines at airports, they all disappeared, that were selling carbon offsets. So when you took your flight, you're punching how many miles you're going and you get a little coupon that said, you thank you, you saved the earth.
Starting point is 00:26:41 2017, I think is when we first got that jingle in. So we were probably talking about it in 2016. And the whole idea was you could have no agenda producers take a nap because there'd be less carbon dioxide exuded. And that would be a carbon offset. So it seems like there's no regulation. It's a bonanza. It's a free for all. Let's listen to some more from NPR.
Starting point is 00:27:06 That feels like a big problem. If your money isn't actually reducing as much climate pollution as the offset claims, what's the other issue? Something called permanence. Offsets are supposed to reduce or remove carbon dioxide pollution, right? The carbon dioxide, some carbon dioxide stays in the atmosphere hundreds of years, some CO2 sticks around even longer, thousands of years. Here's the thing. Wait, some CO2 sticks around for thousands of years? What is this magical dust? By the way, I think the troll room is right. It must have been much earlier than 2017. It must have been. I think it was over 10 years ago. Oh no, I think you're right.
Starting point is 00:27:47 Let's go back to this carbon dioxide that hangs around for a thousand years. Some CO2 sticks around even longer, thousands of years. Thousands? How do they know? Is there still Jesus carbon dioxide hanging around? Here's the thing. The vast majority of carbon offsets only promise to remove or store CO2 emissions for 40 years or less. Colin Ward says a 40-year promise of reducing emissions does not compare to a 300-year or
Starting point is 00:28:19 several thousand-year impact of carbon dioxide. So if a lot of these are false promises is the government doing anything to address these issues with offsets consumers and... I just love the breathiness of these two. John, is there really anything that we can do about these offsets? Well, I don't know Adam. I think that something could be done if you spent the time on it. So if a lot of these are false promises, is the government doing anything to address these issues with offsets consumers and companies are buying? Late last month, the Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen announced new principles for high quality
Starting point is 00:28:58 Wait, Janet Yellen? Janet Yellen announced something? Ah, what is she? Oh yeah, she's a climatologist. You didn't know that? Consumers and companies are buying. Janet Yellen announced something? What is she? Oh yeah, she's a climatologist. You didn't know that? Consumers and companies are buying. Late last month, the Treasury Secretary, Janet Yellen, announced new principles for high-quality
Starting point is 00:29:15 carbon offsets. Ah, there we go. Oh, we had the low-quality carbon offsets. Now we're going to have a high-quality carbon. We're number one, foam finger number one for our offsets, now we're going to have a high quality carbon. We're number one, foam finger number one for our offsets. High quality, that is, offsets that actually reduce or remove climate pollution. But researchers say even these new principles have gaps. For example, the principles do not identify how long offsets have to keep carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere.
Starting point is 00:29:42 No number. Also, these aren't just principles. Researchers worry without enforcement these voluntary principles might or might not be followed. A Treasury spokesperson said, though the principles released last month are voluntary, we believe they can help guide efforts to address the challenges. Okay, I finally figured it out. It's the exit strategy to end all exit strategies. Ready? Okay, I'm all ears. How much carbon, because we can't say carbon dioxide, how much carbon do you think is caused
Starting point is 00:30:14 by every episode of the No Agenda Show? Taking into account the work that you and I do, the seven, 800,000 people who listen, the computers, the phones they're using, this has got to be quite a lot of carbon, don't you think? I have no idea. Let's put a number on it. Theoretically, yes, in fact, I have a clip coming up.
Starting point is 00:30:39 But stick with me on that. Which makes it even worse, whatever the number is. Well, whatever it is, I think we should sell carbon offsets to stop us from podcasting. So think about it. We have a... We have a counterintuitive. No, it's fantastic. So we need to sell the carbon offsets so that we don't waste all of this energy and carbon that's being
Starting point is 00:31:07 just sloshed into the air. And the carbon that we are exhaling right now will be around for thousands of years. It's high quality carbon that we are getting rid of. And people could pay us to And people could pay us to stay. Okay. All right. What's your clip? What you got? Well, these clips are about AI and how it's affecting the climate and ruining everything. The rise of artificial intelligence is requiring faster and bigger computations for even simple
Starting point is 00:31:39 tests than for, say, a Google search. It's adding to the demand for more internet data centers, the places that house all those servers that keep the internet running. But as Ali Rogan reports, there's a price to pay for that. Demand for data centers is growing rapidly, but these facilities come at a big environmental cost, especially for the communities that host them.
Starting point is 00:32:01 Northern Virginia is the largest data center hub in the world. What? The area is responsible for processing nearly 70% of global digital traffic. It's a rate that local officials say is unsustainable. Sachi Kitajima Malki is a science journalist and writer for the climate focused news outlet Gris. Sachi, thank you so much for joining us. First of all, tell us a little bit more about what a data center is, and why do we need so many of them? Why do we need so many data centers?
Starting point is 00:32:27 Whenever we use the internet, upload photos to the cloud, send emails, watch a video, all of that data and digital information needs a home, and it lives in these huge facilities called data centers, which hold tens of thousands of servers each, and they process all that digital information for us. Something like 70% of the world's digital information is processed by a cluster of data centers in Virginia alone. And there are over 5,000 facilities in the US. And what are the environmental impacts of having some of these data centers in your backyard?
Starting point is 00:32:56 So to process all that information, they need two things. The first is electricity, of course, to physically crunch and process all that gigabyte going on. Oh, all that gigabyte going on. Oh, oh, all that gigabyte going on. Yeah. This is our, this is our super, this is the science and technology writer. We just need to talk like that from now on. Hey man.
Starting point is 00:33:15 They're processing all that gigabyte. I got a lot of gigabyte going on. How about you, John? I got gigabyte going on. Wait, to be honest about it. I have terabyte going on. To be honest about it, I have terabyte going on. Oh, remember it's not the size. He's got terabyte. All right. All right.
Starting point is 00:33:33 This is good. So, so we already know that we have, they're talking to an idiot. So we're going to get good material out of this person. I'm loving it already. Information, they need two things. The first is electricity, of course, to physically crunch and process all that gigabyte. Physically crunch, John.
Starting point is 00:33:50 It's a physically crunch. There's actually a crunching. I actually miss that until now. Yeah. Physically. Physically crunching all that gigabyte. There's like grinders at these data centers, big giant rocks that roll around pulled by oxen.
Starting point is 00:34:05 Just to remind everybody, elitist voices of America, this is NPR or PBS. Information they need two things. The first is electricity, of course, to physically crunch and process all that gigabyte going on. The other is water, which are used in cooling systems to protect these servers from physically overheating. And researchers think they're in the top 10 water-consuming industries in the US. They use 2% of the electricity in the US, which is a lot.
Starting point is 00:34:31 And a source told me that data center campuses can use their resources equivalent to a small city. And as AI booms, they'll use even more. The average AI application uses six times the amount of electricity, so they run a lot hotter. And that scales exponentially. They just need more water to cool down. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
Starting point is 00:34:49 She said that scales exponentially? That's kind of a contradiction that she's saying there. So it gets really hot, we need a lot of water that scales exponentially? I think she's just using words. Okay, right, all right. It's even more. The average AI application uses six times the amount of electricity,
Starting point is 00:35:06 so they run a lot hotter, and that scales exponentially. They just need more water to cool down. And how do these data centers in the United States and around the world- Wait, stop. Water to cool down? To cool down, to cool down. Oh, to cool down, okay.
Starting point is 00:35:20 But, you know. I find it, by the way, the one overlooked facet to this is that I find interesting is that 70% of all the data centers are in and around Langley. Yeah. Hmm. So, they run a lot hotter and that scales exponentially. They just need more water to cool down. And how do these data centers in the United States and around the world affect global
Starting point is 00:35:44 efforts to decarbonize? It's tricky because right now we are building out green energy solutions at a great scale It's it's happening really fast, but it might not be happening fast enough Currently a lot of the grid is still running on fossil fuels and even plans in Virginia to shut down You know coal firing plants May not go through because these data centers need so much energy that grid operators need to fire those coal plants back up or just keep them running in order to meet all that demand.
Starting point is 00:36:11 So in one of the talking points of these data center reform coalitions I've spoken to is that it's a step backwards from clean energy goals and kind of almost step a trail of some of the promises certain states have made to, you know, get off of carbon. Oh, okay. Get off of carbon. Yeah, she says coal firing. Isn't it coal fired? Coal fired plant.
Starting point is 00:36:37 She's obviously a nincompoop. Well, she's on her way. Exit strategy, become tech journalist at PBS. Hi, I'm Adam, it's John, we're crunching the gigabytes for you right here on PBS. Okay, I think what clip are we on? We're on number three. This is Shorty. Need to set it up, this Shorty?
Starting point is 00:36:59 No, this is Shorty for a reason. You'll hear it when you hear it. And many of these data centers are located in densely populated residential areas. What's it like to live near one? Yeah, you know, they're being built near schools, neighborhoods, protected nature parks in Virginia in particular. And one big impact is that they're really loud. They hum and they bring all this noise pollution to the area. That's bull crap.
Starting point is 00:37:21 She's confusing it with the Bitcoin miners. I don't know what she's bull crap. She's confusing it with the Bitcoin miners. I don't know what she's talking about. Data centers are completely quiet than the ones that these guys are using. No, no, noise pollution, Adam. Noise pollution from the giant data centers because it's buzzing. That's total horse crap. It's the crypto mining guys who have no cooling. They just have an open roof and they point all the fans up toward the roof. Yeah, those are noisy, but not this stuff. No, I don't believe it.
Starting point is 00:37:53 Wow. Okay. No, they're not noisy. I've actually visited May East once, which is one of the- I built an exchange in Amsterdam. They don't make noise at all. On the outside, they don't, no. They can get pretty noisy inside.
Starting point is 00:38:08 Yeah, because of all the fans, but yeah. All the internal fans that are just blowing on the CPUs. Yeah, sure, I have a couple computers that make a lot of racket. I went to Maine. But they're not noise pollution outside. I was at May East when they had that flooding. Do you remember that?
Starting point is 00:38:24 I do remember that. I was in death war. That must have been 95 or 96. It was a mess. I was taken to May East by some very cynical guy. He's showing me around and he says, and then as we leave, it's like the exit from there is you drive out through this like a parking lot,
Starting point is 00:38:43 underground parking lot, basically. And so you drive in, he says, look above us as we're driving now, you see those things? Those are the main cables. If you had a truck that's too big, you tear them apart and bring down the whole internet. And everything he did was point out
Starting point is 00:38:58 what a flaky operation it was. So we should probably explain the, the MAE stands for Metropolitan Area Exchange. That was the big one on the East Coast. We had the May West, of course, on the West Coast. We had the AMS6, the Amsterdam. We still have these. Yeah, they're not as important as they once were. No, no, but no, they're not. All the traffic, all the internet traffic used to go through all these things. Yeah, because you had a hundred different networks. And I think you had to pay carriage too to get them to work for you.
Starting point is 00:39:32 Well, no, we had, no, we had peering fees. We had peerage and peering fees. Once peering happened, that was the end of it. Well, peering was great for a while, but then, you know, then they all got consolidated and all became, you know, like, what do we consolidate and all became, you know, like what do we have now? AT&T and... Comcast. Comcast.
Starting point is 00:39:49 Yeah. And there's maybe one... Basically all we got. How about MCI? Those guys still around? I don't think so. All right. Onward.
Starting point is 00:39:58 All that concrete also means a huge increase in stormwater runoff because that rain can no longer soak into the ground. It all has to go somewhere. What? The concrete? And so the amount of electricity also could be more than the grid may be able to handle. So when there's an outage, there's kind of a question of who gets the power, residents or data centers. We're talking to you now via Skype. We're using a lot of data to do it. What? A lot of data on Skype. We're talking to you now on Skype. There's a lot of data involved. What? Are you nuts?
Starting point is 00:40:33 How much gigabyte are we crunching on Skype right now? Okay. I hope there's a good comeback in this final. Well, no, this is ridiculous. This entire report are classic PBS reporters. They're clueless. As we increasingly rely on this type of cloud computing to do so many things, we use apps, we use, we do virtual meetings, that kind of thing. Is there any way that these data centers can continue to expand? Wait a minute. I just got to hear that again. We use apps. I just have to soak in the nonsense. Meanwhile, we have the Twitter network going out of business and this is what we're left with is sad.
Starting point is 00:41:15 As we increasingly rely on this type of cloud computing to do so many things, we use apps, we do virtual meetings, that kind of thing. Is there any way that these data centers can continue to expand, continue to grow and support all this usage, but do so in a more environmentally friendly way? Nuclear. You know, it is possible to build cooling systems that use less water, but we don't really see those built out at scale yet. And you could power them with green energy, but again, right now we have a grid that's kind of stuck on fossil fuels and we're slowly making the transition to green energy, but maybe not fast enough to meet all this demand. First, before we can really know what we need to do next, we just
Starting point is 00:41:54 need more transparency from the industry, which scientists and activists both told me is pretty secretive. Google is saying it's a leader in sustainable data centers and they only began releasing their water usage data a couple of years ago after a lawsuit. And to that transparency point, I want to play for you a sound bite from an environmental activist in Northern Virginia, as we've said, where so many of these data centers are located. One of the big things that concerns me is that some of these data center companies are claiming to be holding federal or Department of Defense servers and therefore their critical infrastructure and cannot be allowed to go down.
Starting point is 00:42:32 And so there's this question of who gets the water in a trout situation and are they going to leverage that kind of argument of national security to potentially say they get the water first? Are there any safeguards that exist to make sure that these companies are being honest about argument of national security to potentially say they get the water first. Are there any safeguards that exist to make sure that these companies are being honest about the types of companies that they're supporting with their servers and what the effect on the environment is? We're kind of trusting companies to be transparent and do the right thing. There are a lot of companies like to tout sustainability goals, but truthfully, we're
Starting point is 00:43:04 trying to get laws through in Virginia right now. A couple of bills were introduced in Virginia and in other states, but they're not getting a lot of traction until we have that research we need. Right now, Virginia is conducting a data center impact study, and the results of that will come out later this year, hopefully. We're just seeing a lot of action in Virginia in particular. Yeah, there's something going on with Virginia, and that's why they put these idiots on this report
Starting point is 00:43:28 because really the data centers, Utah, there's some pretty big ones in Texas, there's a lot being built here. I don't understand this whole report's focus on Virginia. There's something else happening with data centers in Virginia. I have to agree because it's as suspicious the way they're doing the reporting. Now, I just want to stay on this for a moment because there was... Is that the end of it? Yeah, that's your five. There was an interview with President Trump and this was actually quite...
Starting point is 00:44:03 I couldn't even watch the whole thing. It was the all in crew, which is David Sacks. Oh, with J Cal. Well, so J Cal put on a suit and tie and like 1970s Buggles glasses. I, by the way, can I make one quick comment about that outfit he was wearing? Please. Because you know him. I know we both run into him. What a joke.
Starting point is 00:44:29 Yes. What a joke. He usually wears a turtleneck, but that, but here he's wearing and I was trying to figure out why is he wearing this outfit? Because it doesn't look like anything he's ever worn before. He showed up on the Jesse Waters show. About to promote the interview? To promote the interview. And Waters called him J Cal and he called himself J Cal. I don't know who cares what some stupid name is
Starting point is 00:44:53 cause he's like J Lo get it. That's the idea. That makes it even funnier. Hot top. Yeah, that's exactly why he's using this moniker. And so he's wearing this suit and this pink tie. And it's like, uh, I'm thinking why is he wearing this outfit? And I realized who it is. It's that that guy that's on shark tank,
Starting point is 00:45:12 the well dressed guy shows up a lot on different Fox shows. Um, I can't remember his name off. Mr. Wonderful. That's the guy. Who's Mr. Wonderful. He's the guy who's so sharply dressed on the... They're all in suits. Well, his name is somebody in the... O'Leary?
Starting point is 00:45:31 O'Leary? O'Leary, O'Leary. Yeah, he's Mr. Wonderful. Well he's always dressed to the tens. He's wearing cufflinks, he's wearing an expensive suit, he's got that exact same look. That's what Calacanis is copying. He sees, well, this guy's getting a lot of attention. Maybe if I dress like this, because Calacanis is a copycat.
Starting point is 00:45:52 Yes. We've known him since the days of Silicon Alley when he was writing a rag. He was literally a rag writer. He tried to do the producer stuff that we did once and one of his, he started potty. He took a big talk Leo into using this week and what startups. No, no, he stole it. He stole it from Leo.
Starting point is 00:46:13 Well, I'm not, I don't think so. Oh, okay. Well, you would know. Leo gave him permission. Oh, Leo. Oh, Leo. Because he thought that CaliCast was gonna, he didn't think he was gonna be a competitor.
Starting point is 00:46:27 Yeah. Yeah, sure, go ahead and use it. No, he doesn't steal stuff. He's a copycat, but he's not a thief. And so he took that, Leo gave him permission, so yeah, okay, so he ran out with the whole series of this this weekend. You know, when I was-
Starting point is 00:46:42 But they failed anyway. This thing here looks like it's semi-successful. When I was... Well, he's got David Saxon and Chamath, whatever, Chamath, what's the guy's name? He's got a good team. Now he's dressing up like O'Leary. When I was living in LA, remember Christina moved out there for a little bit and she lived in LA? You may not remember, but she did. And, you know, she was basically looking for, it was a weird period. You know, I was going through divorce. It was messy. It was a messy, messy time. She was out there and she was living with a bunch
Starting point is 00:47:15 of weirdos and I was trying to keep my eye on her and I was trying to get her a gig. And then I was on Calacanis's show, which what was it? It wasn't this week in startups. It was something, maybe it was, I remember. Then he had his kind of little company there. And I took Christina in and he said, oh yeah, no, come back. And so she did an interview. She interviewed for a job there and she came back.
Starting point is 00:47:40 She said, I'm never gonna work for that creep, dad. That guy's weird. My daughter wouldn't even work for him. So there was other people that went through that, you know, um, Molly would for a while. Molly was even everybody. He's a good sale. He's, he is an excellent sales guy. And he knows how to do it. He says he's really good. And so he's done well for himself.
Starting point is 00:48:06 And he doesn't talk like this as much. I noticed this when he was on. Well, his whole thing, what he did well is he he kind of got into that Y Combinator group and invested in some things early. And that's how he got into Uber early. And then he invested in Tesla early through his contacts at Sequoia. I think we have Ruloff.
Starting point is 00:48:35 He'll drop in. Oh, Ruloff. I heard from Ruloff. Ruloff is the CEO now. He's the name dropper. Ruloff is the South African cabal, the part of Elon that actually does stuff behind the scenes. And so he's Elon's best friend.
Starting point is 00:48:51 I remember he was at the takeover of Twitter and he was, oh, maybe I should be the CEO. Yeah, goodbye. I haven't forgotten. I remember he was kind of vying to be the CEO. Yeah, he was wishing to be CEO of Twitter. Anyway. Well, he's, but you know, he does, he is a good sales guy, but he doesn't, he's not perfect. So he can't pull everything off.
Starting point is 00:49:12 But this idea of wearing this suit and tie that he's got, I just shake him and he's got a different kind of haircut and those glasses you talked about. He's like, you know, he's, he's pose, he's a poser. He kind of looks like a seventies Studio 54 coke dealer. Don't you think the way he looks now? Yeah, maybe. That might be an interesting... Anyway. Yeah. It's just, and who knows? I don't know what he...
Starting point is 00:49:38 What's he up to? We don't know. Well, first, let me just say. But he did get, he got on, he got on Waters and Waters lapped it up. Lapped it up. Yeah, no, I want to say the world would be a lot less colorful without Jason. I mean it. I'm happy he's in our world. I sincerely mean that. We rag on him, but it would be-
Starting point is 00:49:57 Of course, that's what we do. It would be a lot less colorful without Jason. Anyway, so there's only, so I'm watching this interview and Jason is trying to be trying to do tough questions, which Trump was not having at all. I listened to this on the plane and I fell asleep. So after like 25, 30 minutes of an hour and a half, I couldn't even listen to it. But I did listen to this one thing and it was kind of like, oh, because David Sachs is the dangerous guy here. What is the deal with this David Sachs? Where's he from?
Starting point is 00:50:31 Because that's why Trump is on this show. David Sachs, what is his deal? Well, he's a bundler for sure. Yeah, he's an entrepreneur, a bundler. There you go, bundler. He's a bundler. He's the guy who knows how to put together a party that bring in millions of dollars for some candidate. He's in Palin.
Starting point is 00:50:50 He's also, I guess, a VC in some ways, but I think his skill is being, he's one of those guys. He'll become, David Sacks will be in the Trump administration as the ambassador to France or England or something like that. Because that's what he's got. All these VCs want to be ambassadors. Yeah, but maybe he'll get something close. But we'll see. He might do policy. So I guess David Sacks was part of the big CEO get-together, maybe was at his house,
Starting point is 00:51:19 and they told Trump about this little two-word thing, a little thing, a a little little thing called AI We have a phenomena coming up right now And I was talking about it the other day to David and that's AI a little thing simple two little simple letters But it's big and I realized the other day more than any time when we were at David's house And talking to a lot of geniuses from Silicon Valley and other places. They need electricity at levels that nobody's ever experienced before to have to be successful,
Starting point is 00:51:52 to be a leader in AI. The amount of electricity that is like double what we have right now and even triple what we have right now, they are, it's incredible how much they need to be the leader and we're gonna have to be able to do that and A windmill turning with its blade knocking out the birds and everything else is not going to be able to make us competitive You'll have China. What about what about nuclear? Mr. President? Yeah, so let me just give you a statistic So then they go on he actually actually, he knows the problems. I mean, even saying, you know, France, those guys are smart. They did, they got modular.
Starting point is 00:52:28 They can do all the same thing. Not like we're idiots. Everything's different. Everything. So he was good, but he's being psyoptim, this AI thing. And you and I have been talking. We don't talk much outside of the show, but after the show as I'm, you know, post producing and we're compressing everything,
Starting point is 00:52:45 getting it all done, we'll chat a little bit. And we've been talking about what is the trigger that is going to take this nonsense down, this AI? Right. Yeah, we did discuss this in the last post-mortem is what you said. Yes, post-mortem. And I think I may have found one and it comes along. Cause you said if we could figure out what the real downfall was of the dot, what popped the dot com bubble,
Starting point is 00:53:11 we may be able to figure out what pops the, what pops the AI bubble. And I think I may have found it. And- Well, did you figure out what popped the dot? Cause I think back on it and I'm thinking what the hell popped the dot-com well Allow me I was in the Netherlands in 2000 end of 99 2000 and it was world online
Starting point is 00:53:39 World online was going to be the biggest IPO Run by a lady called Nina Brink. And I know Nina Brink because Ron Bloom and I tried to get our initial financing from Nina Brink. Cause you know, we were running all over the world. You know, we didn't, before we, before we had the venture capital money, we're trying to figure where can we raise money from? And of course, you know, I had my contacts in Holland and somehow we run into Nina Brink. And she's been involved. I mean, her her whole thing is, oh, we'll do a big announcement with an LOI. We'll have an LOI. She's a miss LOI,
Starting point is 00:54:14 which is a letter of intent, which is completely meaningless. At the end of the day, she didn't actually want to invest. She wanted to give us a subordinated loan. Like, okay, to invest, she wanted to give us a subordinated loan. Like, okay, no. So it was a big run around, but she has been very successful in a whole bunch of other businesses. And now she was gonna set up this whole world online thing. She had bought France Telecom
Starting point is 00:54:39 and all these different internet providers. And it was going to be the global online internet provider. And everybody had money in the IPO. I had friends and family. Oh, I made it on the friends and family. Oh, this is great. She discloses one day before the IPO that she actually sold all of her stock before the IPO.
Starting point is 00:55:00 And the IPO tanked, and after that, as far as I know, everything in public markets just went to crap and the whole thing fell apart. I can't say for sure that the world online failed IPO was really the trigger, but I find it coincidental that she pops up in the news as I'm traveling back from the Netherlands. I'm at the airport and the financial newspaper, the Financieel Dagblad has this whole story about Renovaro Biosciences. Here in fact, Hindenburg Research is after them.
Starting point is 00:55:38 You know Hindenburg Research, right? Oh yeah. These are the short sellers. Here's their headline. Renovaro Biosci sciences, a worthless AI shell game with a murderous magician past. I mean, and this has Nina Brink, who is now Nina Storms, Dr. Nina Storms, no less. So she was somehow she bought this, she was involved in this bio sciences company, which was set up by this guy who had, you know, he's,
Starting point is 00:56:06 he's one of the most important scientists in the world, but it turns out that he killed one of his, or had one of his former partners shot to death. And then, oh yeah, the whole thing is a mess. But what she was going to do was going to bring in this company and put it together with this Renovar biosciences. And they took it public and she brought in this company and put it together with this Renovaro Biosciences and they took it public and she brought in this company called GeniCube, which is literally nothing, GeniCube, G-E-N-I-C-U-B-E, which is kind of interesting because whenever you put cube in it, it sounds so scientific. And this thing is coming, it's publicly listed, this thing is coming apart at the seams
Starting point is 00:56:47 and there's all kinds of investigations and because she brought in the AI nonsense, I mean there's, I mean really gobbledygook of flowery language which really means nothing, absolutely nothing. I think that this, even though it's not a direct trigger, I think that this is it. I think whenever Nina Brink shows up, it's time to bail. Well, then why don't you go short in video and see what happens.
Starting point is 00:57:21 Good luck. I don't know. I'm not so sure I want to do that. But now, but are these things? No, it's going down. We have in our audience, kind of, I would say armchair analysts. Yes, we do. Who know this stuff. Many of these ideas are quite good. They're just not, they're not polished.
Starting point is 00:57:42 No. But we have, we do. Who know this stuff. Many of these ideas are quite good. They're just not, they're not polished. No. But we have at least 10 people in our audience that can, that have theories, I bet, if we ask for them, that can provide us with theories as to why the dot com collapse took place. Now I remember a previous collapse and this is the more obscure and I can't remember the name of the IPO that failed, and it collapsed the entire industry of console games during the Atari era.
Starting point is 00:58:15 Console games. Yeah, there was a big boom in games that were for these game consoles, not this all pre-Nintendo, because when you had the Atari and a bunch of these other, Pong was a player back in the day. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And there was a bunch of these games that would came out for the Atari mostly, game consoles, all blocky, it was terrible.
Starting point is 00:58:37 But there was the one company- Colecovision, Colecovision. That was an example. And there was a bunch of these companies and then one of them, then there was these IPOs that were starting to develop and they were coming out with these different, these game companies and one game company failed
Starting point is 00:58:53 and it brought the whole industry down. And it was the end of it. In fact, there wasn't anything after that except the Nintendo was left in, it was kind of came out of the ashes and took over the place. And then Sony came in later. And then we had other things, Sega and things like that. It was a very interesting phenomenon to watch it transition from one to the other, but a collapse took place in the meantime.
Starting point is 00:59:15 And that collapse was triggered by a fail, a failed IPO that was triggered by something that again, is one of these things that the trigger mechanism may be elusive But when it happens, it's noticeable and it goes fast. Yeah Very slowly and then fast all of a sudden. I wonder what that was. I wonder what that was because Yeah, Nintendo NES came up. They was it Sega? because yeah, Nintendo, NES came up, was it Sega? Well Sega, no Sega came up with NES and they hung in there for the,
Starting point is 00:59:51 for most of the second round of games. And Sega just quit on its own. It just decided out of the blue to stop doing it after the Dreamcast, which is a killer machine. But that whole market is a study in itself. But to study these other phenomenas and the AI thing is, it will happen because there's no way that this is gonna continue with the power requirements
Starting point is 01:00:18 and some of the things going on with the promises and delivering not much more than just kind of crappy art. There's not much going on. Yeah, it's not the nice demos everybody. I mean, it's not right. We don't see any Shakespearean plays coming out of any of this stuff. Well, what is definitely sure is that people are very disappointed by the reality of the interaction with the voice response versus the demo. Sam Altman was also interviewed by Jay Kal about a month
Starting point is 01:00:55 ago. As I'm thumbing through away from this Trump interview, I get the Altman interview, an hour of nothing. The guy says nothing. Yeah, that's a really interesting, and J. Cow, and Chamath, and whoever these guys are, sacks, they were all saying, well, you know, it has a lot of promise, but it was the latency. They kept talking about the latency. I didn't see any latency in that demo where, Oh, I see you're sitting in a cool room.
Starting point is 01:01:28 Are you getting ready to do a podcast or maybe a demo? There was no latency there. So they sexed it up. The whole demo is fake and phony. It's fake and phony. Yeah. Well, that's nothing new. Well, we haven't fed you have at least some thoughts on this and, but we're soliciting further thoughts from the fabulous audience of producers. Yeah, well, particularly the gaming history, someone out there will know for sure. But this has, this has got, and when this goes, man, it's gonna be spectacular.
Starting point is 01:02:06 I think they need to keep it going until Trump gets in. As spectacular as the dot com collapse. To me, that was the most spectacular thing I've ever seen. Well, that took the whole market, well, this will too. This will take, I mean, the, what is- Because Nvidia is carrying the market. Yes, it's carrying everything. But what will...
Starting point is 01:02:26 It's gone from a chip maker that makes, you know, processors for gamers, to the biggest corporation in the world. Really? Yeah. Which needs eight times the power to power their chips. Should it even work? It's just a hard no. It's like, no, this is not going to happen. Anyways, speaking of fake and phony, I'm and phony, I got two more clips here from, I'm going to go back for a second to power and energy. So we have a unique opportunity to show the future, a unique opportunity I say, to show
Starting point is 01:02:57 the future of solar and wind and how we all can live in harmony without any carbon dioxide, I'm sorry, carbon and that is Ukraine. Ukraine could be a shining example and Zelensky is actually thinking about it. Ukraine the energy grid has come under sustained attack from Russian missiles. It's caused more blackouts. The country's facilities already struggling after repeated targeting. A barrage of strikes have continued this afternoon. Three people reported dead in Harkeif. Now, President Vladimir Zelensky has said this week there needs to be a rush for replacement solar energy for civil institutions across the country. He said it is a time of
Starting point is 01:03:38 panic. Let's have a listen to his words from overnight. The government has been tasked with immediately presenting a program to encourage the installation of solar generation and energy storage systems in Ukraine. A program that is as favorable as possible. Alright, let's do it, let's prove it. Let's bring out some solar, make it all work, work power your cities I'd love to see it We all know it's not gonna work Quick little update on the
Starting point is 01:04:16 orange painting of Stonehenge and Taylor Swift's jet so as I already said It wasn't Taylor Swift's jet. So as I already said, it wasn't Taylor Swift's jet. No. These people just went in, spray painted someone else's jets. And I'm like, this is a very costly thing. If you can't just fly with some paint on there, there's all kinds of bad things happen at high speeds.
Starting point is 01:04:46 And so I go looking like, but what exactly, because it came out of fire extinguishers. It looked like they had fire extinguishers, the stuff they were- Yeah, that were filled with paint. Well, no, it's not paint. So Danielle, what do we know about these protesters? And is this orange stuff like reversible? Like are these rocks gonna be okay? They're gonna be okay and they're gonna wash away at least that's what
Starting point is 01:05:10 we're told by the protesters. I'm not gonna give you our viewers a history lesson here but there's a reason why Stonehenge is so remarkable. It's a UNESCO heritage site it's one of the most recognizable landmarks here in the UK. Built 4500 years ago, it's in perfect alignment with the Sun. We don't know who built them, but we do know today who tried to damage them. A 21 year old student from Oxford University, a 73 year old man who was quoted as saying that the orange cornflower that was used to create this eye-catching spectacle will wash away with the rain, but not the climate crisis if the leaders don't act. Okay. Now I have a serious question. I've heard it's cornstarch and a pigment.
Starting point is 01:05:55 I've got a serious question. I have a serious question. If they haven't ruined anything because it washes off, why are we putting this on the news? It's the same they go and oh they spray paint in a painting. No, they put paint on the glass Why are we putting these idiots on the news if they didn't do anything? Well, I'm not gonna argue about the point that this should not be covered but It's it's, well, I think the reason you put it on the news because you got some crazy maniac with a fire extinguisher filled with his goo and they're spraying a side of an
Starting point is 01:06:33 airplane and you have a video of it. It's kind of, if I was an editor, I'd probably say, you know, this is kind of interesting. Let's at least run it. Oh yeah. No, it's because there's a point to be made. It's all theater. It's not actually ruining the airplane. It's actually ruining the priceless art. It's not ruining Stonehenge It's it's MKUltra
Starting point is 01:06:55 We're being mind-controlled into thinking that these children and apparently a 73 year old are so Incense that they they feel they have to go and destroy valuable objects. They're not. Well, a couple of things. First of all, until I see a washing machine, spray, just take a hose and spray off that crap that's on the airplanes, which is typically what should happen the way they're describing it. I don't believe it. It's Cheeto dust. And I especially don't believe the thing with Stonehenge.
Starting point is 01:07:27 That pigment, if you ever buy just raw pigments, then you can do that if you go to an art supply place, a big one, where they sell, literally just sell pigment. They don't sell, it's not paint, it's pigment, it's powder, and you can mix it with cornstarch if you wanted to and make a slurry. But that's not what he said. He says it's corn dust.
Starting point is 01:07:47 It's corn flour. Corn flour, yes. Or corn starch. It doesn't matter. We know what this is. It's a powder that you mix with the pigment and then you can- Wait a minute, no one said pigment.
Starting point is 01:07:57 You can make it wet and make a slurry and you can spray the slurry. Are you with Extinction Rebellion? No, I'm just saying this reporting about how this stuff is washed right off is bull crap. I don't, well you have no, where's your clip? I want to see it washed off. That's what I'm, just show me. Okay, well I'm just saying that you're saying that, no one said pigment, no one said that
Starting point is 01:08:21 you're putting pigment in there that stains everything. Well you can't get, Where does the orange come from? Is it magic? From the Cheeto dust. Which is pigment. Cheeto dust, you can lick your fingers and it comes right off. When's the last time you tried to get all that crap off your hand? On the plane.
Starting point is 01:08:44 They serve Cheetos on the plane What plane serves Cheetos you got United they got dudes and dresses. It's a great airline. They got everything All right now we're talking about food. I'm gonna take this one right up your alley the latest in food cuisine It's cuisine the exclusive... Solutions to the climate crisis will take many forms, one of which is algae. That's according to chef Callum Monroe. He comes down to the coast every other day to collect seaweed here on the Scottish Isle of Skye. You do this every week then?
Starting point is 01:09:24 Maybe twice or three times a week actually. Scottish Isle of Skye. Together with climate activist Shona Cameron, the two are trying to bring seaweed back into the kitchen. As a renewable alternative to fish and meat, seaweed is the vegetable of the sea and is available all year round. They're sharing these ideas with schools armed with recipes for the children to learn. Oh, there you go. Teach him how to eat seaweed. It's the vegetable of the sea.
Starting point is 01:10:05 I don't know what to say. Go teach him how to how to eat seaweed. It's the vegetable of the sea. I don't know what to say. This we're going too far. It stinks. It's it's stinks. It's a nice wrapper for sushi. Yeah, that's about it. Stop, stop there. He's holding up these stringy seaweed.
Starting point is 01:10:22 Oh, it's just like spaghetti. In fact, it tastes like spaghetti. That's not well. That would be the world's worst spaghetti, but okay. Yes, I'm in agreement with you. Man oh man oh man. Before we drift too far astray, because you did mention Trump, I want to bring it back to that. Trump, I watched Trump's Philadelphia speech.
Starting point is 01:10:50 Ah, I'm glad you did. Okay. I put it aside. I wanted to see if he had new material or what he was up to. And it was, he, was he kind of losing in a little bit? Cause I, no, this bull crap. In fact, he brings that up. Hey, I, I'm just telling you, you, I played, it's not bull crap. His prompter went out and he wasn't good and you heard it and you agreed.
Starting point is 01:11:08 I disagree. He didn't use much of a prompter in this speech, but he does ramble and he mocks himself for ramble and he discusses it and he's reflecting. You thought the shark and the electrocution was a good bit? I didn't think it was a good bit. It was one of his bits though and I didn't think it was a good bit. It was one of his bits though, and I didn't think it was horrible like you said. But I do have two examples of new bits. One of them which is worse than the shark, and one that I think he's going to use in
Starting point is 01:11:37 going forward. He has a bunch of new material that he's trying out. He's does an hour and a half. He did two, two speeches on, uh, he went, he did one in Washington DC, I guess, which I didn't see. And then he went to Philadelphia and did a big one. And it was interesting to see how he, he, his audience, I always check the background cause he always has a bunch of people back there behind him. And he always has a couple of babes that have,
Starting point is 01:12:05 they have a very distinctive Trump babe look. They got kind of their, their, uh, kind of angular faces, very pretty, uh, photogenic looking anyway, or telegenic and always holding up signs. And on the side, back of it, he's got the signs are all two sided now. So he's got two messages. Usually the Trump 24 one, so the other one was. Were they, were they calipedges? No, the girls don't show their asses.
Starting point is 01:12:33 They're just a bunch of pretty faces in the audience. All right, thank you. So the, he's got the signs and the signs say Trump, something on one side and the other side says, too big to rig is his latest news. Okay. So all the signs you flip them around says too big to rig. But slowly the background evolved
Starting point is 01:12:54 so when he finished the speech and started talking about his audience behind him, it was all black. It wasn't a white face in the crowd. It was all, I don't know, I didn't even see him switching them out. Excellent. And you can see, and a couple of them were very,
Starting point is 01:13:08 you know, these very pretty women. They were, everyone was swapped out very slowly. Like I think one at a time. Oh. And then there's always a complete black audience behind him at the very end. And so he could reflect on the hud. So they were literally doing this as he was speaking,
Starting point is 01:13:22 they're rotating the audience? Yes. Wow, that's slick. And he had an hour and a half to do it. So it was so slow that unless you watched the beginning and then cut to the end, you wouldn't have noticed. You think it was like a rotating stage? Or just slowly rotating?
Starting point is 01:13:38 No, no, it's a rotating stage. So anyway, so he has, I have two examples of his new material. All right. And they're short, but this is under Trump. And this will be the one we're gonna play here is Trump Pennsylvania new material one. But they get him in all these horrible compromising posts. And then they say he wasn't, it really wasn't that way.
Starting point is 01:14:04 Then everybody sends in, they all have cameras. See, every one of you has a camera. If I blow it up here though, they actually, they take a perfect, brilliant, beautiful statement that I make, I go for two hours without teleprompters, and if I say one word slightly out, they say he's cognitively impaired. Whereas Biden can run into walls walls he can fall off the
Starting point is 01:14:28 stage he can fall up the stairs he falls up he can turn around listen to this from 20,000 feet of paratroopers landing right in front of him everybody all the foreign leaders they're watching right in front of him. Everybody, all the foreign leaders, they're watching and he turns around to look at a tree and then they say it was fake, he was fine and then the press goes along with it. They go along with it. They say isn't it terrible the way they cover him now? No, he's terrible. The worst president in history by far and we have to get him out or this country is not going to survive another year. All right, all right. That's good. That's funny. So that was good material. So he did so later he does this bit, which is the second clip,
Starting point is 01:15:15 I only have two. And this was a bomb. And it was and I left the pauses in at the end. So he let the whole thing play and he gets nothing from this material he's going to at the end, so he let the whole thing play, and he gets nothing from this material he's going to do. And then so he lets it slide for a while, and then he changes the subject so radically. And I only have the beginning of the switch over at the very end. And I was just saying, well, you shake your head, but this will, you'll never hear this bit again, but every every day you're reading about this But how embarrassing is it for me to say we will build a wall or we will build a border?
Starting point is 01:15:53 But how embarrassing it is to say we will keep men out of women's sports Who who would want men to play women's sports and yet for them all these people, including the fake news media, for whatever reason, it's like a big deal. Who would want it? Did you ever look at the weightlifting records? Records that stood for 18 years. And a guy comes up, have you lifted before? No, I haven't.
Starting point is 01:16:19 When I say a guy, a person who transitioned. Have you lifted before? No, I haven't really, a person who transitioned. Have you lifted before? No, I haven't really, a couple of days. Gets over the thing, bing, bing, bing. Oh, we're crazy? Or the swimming, where they obliterate records, obliterate, the women get windburn as the boys go by. I'm suffering tremendous windburn, what happened?
Starting point is 01:16:44 The doctor says. Oh well, I was swimming. I'm an Olympic swimmer but a person transitioned and he went by me so fast that the wind burned the hell out of me doctor. No, it's so, it's so crazy and it's so horrible for women. It's so embarrassing for women. I will fully uphold our second amendment. Switch. Well, at least he knows when to get out of it. Yes, he does. He bailed. Because that wind burn thing, you'll never hear it again, I'm sure of it, because that was a just bomb. It was a dog.
Starting point is 01:17:25 This is because of Turning Point USA. Charlie Kirk is touring with the women now. And he's got Megyn Kelly and Candace Owens and Riley Gaines. And that's why he's trying to shoehorn this in. But his punch line is wrong. And there's a dude in a dress. I mean, he just should do something like that. That's funny. Not like, yeah, it wasn't, it wasn't funnier than, uh,
Starting point is 01:17:51 wait, that, that bit didn't work. I mean, the weightlifting thing almost got there, but then the wind burn thing was just a loser. And then he's not going to, you'll never hear it again. Going back. And then he switched to the second amendment to get the audience back. Going back to the first clip, MSNBC is doing this now. He's right.
Starting point is 01:18:13 They're trying to make him look like he's losing his mind. So now we have the cheap fakes. Biden's great. Sharp as attack. Sharp as attack. Sharp as attack. But Trump, oh no. So I have three clips, all pretty short. Actually, the second two are very short. This is the first one, British chick, of course. And here's how MSNBC is showing that Trump is
Starting point is 01:18:38 losing his mind. There is new audio of Donald Trump admitting that he lost the 2020 election, and then quickly reverting back to the original lie. It comes from research for the new book Apprentice in Wonderland by Ramin Setouda. He spoke to the former president six times and recorded the conversations. Trump's admission that he lost came during a conversation about his relationship with Geraldo Rivera. What was Geraldo like? He was good. He did a good job. He was smart, cunning.
Starting point is 01:19:08 He did a good job. And are you guys still close or you don't want to? No, I don't think so. He is... After I lost the election, I won the election, but when they said we were... He called me up three or four times. After I lost the election, I won the election, but when they said we were... He called me up three or four times. After I lost the election, I won the election.
Starting point is 01:19:27 In another conversation between Trump and Sahtoudeh, the former president claims that Joan Rivers voted for him in 2016. Joan said she was a Republican. Did you know that? I thought she might have been a Republican. Yeah. I know one thing, she voted for me according to what she said. One small hitch with all of that John rivers actually died two years before that election. He's losing his mind. I tell you losing his mind now
Starting point is 01:19:53 Listen to morning Joe cuz they're they're really doing this now. So my first sin down was in May He wasn't doing a lot of interviews and then we sat down again towards the end of the summer and when I sat down I you know, there was a very blank expression on his face. So I asked, do you remember when we spoke recently? And he said, no, I have no memory of that. And he couldn't recall. He said it was a long time ago. And then we had to start from scratch. So the interview started from square one where he was started telling me the same exact stories that we, that we, I heard in our first interview. So he didn't remember some numb nut from morning Joe. And so he's losing his mind. He's losing his mind.
Starting point is 01:20:31 But he also seemed to think that he still had some foreign policy powers. And there was one day where he told me he needed to go upstairs to deal with Afghanistan, even though he clearly didn't. He told you that he, while you were interviewing him at Trump Tower, he told you he needed to go upstairs to deal with Afghanistan with the quote the Afghanistan is how we refer to it Oh, he's losing his mind
Starting point is 01:20:53 Losing his mind I tell you Yes, I have noticed this this phenomenon too And it's always on it's on CNN and MSNBC only and they are looking looking at the, the one that really got everybody's attention, what is when he called Ronnie Jackson, Ronnie Johnson at one of his speeches. And so everybody jumped on this, including John Stewart, on his, on his Monday night show. And it was, Oh, he couldn't even remember the name of his own doctor.
Starting point is 01:21:29 And they used, and Trump referred to that particular moment in his Pennsylvania speech. But yes, they're trying to make him seem like Biden. You know, almost the same age, you know? Since you bring up Jon Stewart, so he does the Daily Show on Fridays, I think. Is it one day a week? Mondays. Mondays, one day a week.
Starting point is 01:21:57 But he also has the Daily Show podcast. And of course this is up my alley because you know, pod father everything. Oh yeah. Oh yeah, pay attention to that stuff. And so you think the Daily Show podcast, I think it was originally called the John, I'm not quite sure that the name has changed. Sometimes he drops the podcast from it,
Starting point is 01:22:16 but you'd be expecting to hear a funny, you know, like a, you know, like an irreverent type show. No. That's what you'd expect the podcast to be extreme. It's boring and he has long boring conversation. It's kind of like that Apple show, which was just boring. So that Apple show is the worst. So he got this boring show and it's interesting
Starting point is 01:22:40 because he did, and I just have a minute and a half of the boring show where he talked to Kathleen Hicks, who is, what is she? What is her? She's high up in the department of defense. Isn't she the... I thought she was one of Trump's old assistants. No, that was the cutie. No, that's a different one. That was the press secretary. No, was the cutie. No, that's a different one. That was the press secretary. No. Kathleen Hicks is the deputy secretary of defense. And he gets into it with her about the audits of the department of defense, whereas we would say audit the Pentagon. It would be a good thing. And I thought what came out of it was kind of interesting. I had an opportunity to speak with the deputy secretary of defense.
Starting point is 01:23:28 You can already hear the show is boring. It's like, uh, yeah, he's already, he wants to be on PBS or something or NPR. He needs to get closer to the mic. I had an opportunity to speak to Kathleen Hicks, deputy secretary of the Department of Defense. And I just asked about the failing of the audits. And I want you to listen, I think, to what I felt like was a remarkably defensive, for no reason, attitude about even the prospect of being questioned on this. But don't you think that that does speak to the larger point that we're trying to get at which is good journalism uncovers corruption? Okay, I mean good journalism doesn't cover corruption but I'm not sure these
Starting point is 01:24:16 two things are linked. An audit is not. Oh, but they are. Okay, so you need to explain to me, do you understand what an audit does and the degree to which it is linked to the question that you're asking? I believe so. Okay, go ahead. Give me your explanation. I don't mind learning. No, I don't mind learning. So what I would suggest is that the audit that they have in the military doesn't really
Starting point is 01:24:40 look at whether or not there's efficacy. It's just whether they got delivered the thing that they ordered. That is any audit. That is any audit. That is true. But generally those audits aren't $400 billion for Raytheon and $1.7 trillion for a plane that doesn't seem to be doing it.
Starting point is 01:24:58 There is a lot of waste, fraud, and abuse within a system. Audits and waste, fraud, and abuse are not the same thing. So let's decompose these things. fraud and abuse are not the same thing. So let's decompose these things. Please educate me on. So an audit is exactly what you just described, which is. Did she say let's decompose this? That's a play back. For a plane that doesn't seem to be doing like there is a lot of waste fraud and abuse within a system. Audits and waste, fraud and abuse are not the same thing. So let's decompose these things. Please educate me on decompose. Yes, she said that.
Starting point is 01:25:31 She said decompose. Audits and waste, fraud and abuse are not the same thing. So let's decompose these things. Please educate me on. So an audit is exactly what you just described, which is, do I know what was delivered to which place? The ability to pass an audit or the fact that the DOD has not passed an audit is not suggestive of waste, fraud, and abuse.
Starting point is 01:25:54 The conversation goes on to the point where she says to me, you seem awfully concerned about the money. All right. So I stopped it there. But that was kind of, I thought that was interesting that an audit is not about the waste. No, it's about, we spent a hundred thousand dollars on a toilet washer and did we get it or not? Not if it's a wasteful expenditure. So that was the only interesting thing of that entire boring show. But it leads me. Yes. Well, I will say this, that she got defensive because of the nature
Starting point is 01:26:27 of the way he orchestrated the question by assuming immediately that there was waste, fraud and abuse, and that's the reason for no audit. So I believe that she reacted properly Wow. to an accusation, an unfounded accusation. Just a suspicion, a hunch, merely a hunch we have. There may be some waste fraud and abuse going on. Yeah, you could be sure there is. So this brings me to the big announcement.
Starting point is 01:26:58 It's, as we say in the lowlands, the kohol is door to kerek. The bullet has been shot through the church. I have no idea why they say that. The bullet has been shot through the church. Yeah, the kogel is door to kerek. I have no idea why this Dutch say that. Is there any historical reference to something being shot in a church? Well, let's say first of all, the Dutch are one of the biggest proponents of Lutherism, Lutheranism, sorry, they're all Lutherans there, the churches are, and that was, it was early and the Catholics of course were banned pretty much. There was a couple of secret
Starting point is 01:27:42 Catholic churches around and it's possible that some irked Catholic shot at a preacher or something in a Lutheran church. That's my only kind of a long shot guess. I just looked it up and I can't find anything right off the bat, but I will have to look that one up. So anyway, the bullet has been, the bullet is through the church and we have a new incoming head honcho of NATO. News came through in Brussels this week, a new leader is poised to take over as NATO Secretary-General. It's the former Dutch Prime Minister, Mark Rutte, who secured the backing of each member state. The only other credible competitor was Romania's President, Klaus Yohannes. He's backed out. Now Teflon Mark is his nickname in...
Starting point is 01:28:25 Hold on a second. I have been following Mark Rutte for a while. I have never heard anyone refer to him as Teflon Mark. I mean maybe Crisco Mark but Teflon Mark? No. Klaus Johannes is backed out. Now Teflon Mark is his nickname in The Hague. One biographer said the 57-year-old cycling fanatic has a trademark. It's called Mievern. Okay. Mievern. Also something I've never heard. And I think he is referring to Maeveern.
Starting point is 01:29:04 Which he'll translate as... He's bouncing, stretching along. No, I would say it's more like sucking up, being a slimeball, being a fair-weathered friend, doing whatever's popular. That's what the translation of meviren is, or as he says, meviren. So already we've got this... We're building up some... Bad reporting as usual. Bad reporting, but they also call him the Trump whisperer. Oh yes, he'll
Starting point is 01:29:33 be able to get Trump. This guy who was in HR at Unilever somehow became prime minister for, oh my god, what was he, 12 years? A long time. Forever. Long time. Oh, that's the whole show. And he's a wuss. One biographer said the 57-year-old cycling fanatic has a trademark. It's called mevernit, which means bouncing. Cycling fanatic? He rides a grandma bike to work. He's not on a 10- with Lycra. He has a trademark, it's called Mievelin, which means bouncing, stretching along, working with whoever he needs to work with, to govern, to rule with. This was Mark Rutter talking to the press in the past 24 hours.
Starting point is 01:30:15 It is of course an incredibly interesting position. It starts in three months. There is a fantastic secretary general at the moment. But let me not give the impression that I am going to do something different from Jens Stoltenberg. We also know about Mark Rutter. He likes his routine. According to his biographer, he's always in the same cafe on a Saturday in the Netherlands, something that I think will quickly change with security personnel on advice and also
Starting point is 01:30:40 that he loves U2. And he loves U2. He loves what? He loves U2, the loves U2. And he loves U2. He loves what? He loves U2, the band U2. U2 the band? Yes, he loves U2, the band, yes. Oh, that's insightful. This is like the Tiger Beat biography.
Starting point is 01:30:57 What is the point of taking some guy like that and making him the head of NATO? Because he'll do whatever they tell him to. But who's they? Oh, the military industrial complex, of course. Raytheon, Boeing, whoever. Of course, he'll just do whatever. Okay. So he's just bullshit.
Starting point is 01:31:19 He's always been bull crap, always. He locked down the bull crap, always. He's, I mean, he, he locked down the whole population during COVID. No, he's not, he is not seen as any kind of strong personality. He's wimpy, limp-wristed, weird. I mean, he rides his bike to work. Okay, how Dutch of you. I mean, he rides his bike to work. Okay.
Starting point is 01:31:46 How Dutch of you. And he's a maveren, maveren, which, oh, he bounces along. No, he'll do whatever is popular, whatever, whatever he's being told to do. So this, just take it from me. This guy is not a strong leader in NATO. Interesting. Yeah. Well, your analysis is probably is better than anything you're going to hear elsewhere. So there you have it.
Starting point is 01:32:14 The troll room has some other words for him. Yes, you're correct. That too. And with that, I'd like to thank you for your courage. Say in the morning to you, the man who put the C in the Cheeto dust. Say hello to my friend on the other end, the one and only Mr. John C. D'Amorek. In the morning to you, Mr. Adam Curry. In the morning to all the cheese dust. Boots on the ground, feet in the air, subs in the water, dames and nights out there. In the morning to the trolls in the troll room.
Starting point is 01:32:37 Let me count you. Don't move. We did better than Father's Day because we had a low, low troll count, 16, 18 on the last Sunday. We have 1863, so we're back up a little bit. Didn't do much for the donations, just the sheer number of donations, the actual, the amount of donations, just low. People are, it's summer I guess, we've hit the summer, people are, it's summer, I guess. We've hit the summer.
Starting point is 01:33:05 People are too hot, too hot. They're melting. They can't do anything else. You threw out a double sad puppy to no avail. And what are you going to do next? You're just going to kill a seal, a baby seal? We're going to kill a seal. The little baby seal just club it to death? That is horrible. And I need to apologize because somehow completely forgot to thank the artist for episode 1669 because as a value for value podcast, there's many ways that people can help us. And of course we appreciate our, our artists to an incredible degree because they're always there creating stuff
Starting point is 01:33:51 on the fly. And it was Tantanil, of all people, for me to forget, Tantanil, who did the Father's Day art, which was a nice little piece. It was a can. And it was the Noah Jen dad beer. It was a little, It was a little small, but we kind of went with it. For the best dad in the universe, Curry Dvorak and then really small letters. If you blew it up, it says, what's that in your mouth? And I think that kind of clinched it for us, sick as we are.
Starting point is 01:34:17 Like, yeah, that's a good joke. That was cute, yeah. For the last episode, 1670, you were actually on the Father's Day episode, you were vying for this cheesecake lady, which I protested. Oh yeah, you hate women. No, I don't. Why does Father's Day have to mean a cheesecake lady? That's I mean, some fathers are not interested. That's what dad likes.
Starting point is 01:34:51 That's what you like. That's not what dad likes. I just like the piece. I thought it was good. And you hate comic strip blogger. Well, no, I don't. I've been friends with him longer than I've been friends with you. Same type of friendship.
Starting point is 01:35:07 No, for 1670, titled The Maloney, Francisco Scaramanga nailed it with the, and this was a cheesecake, but it had cheap fakes on her t-shirt. It had double entendre. It had a lot going for it. And it was just perfect. Perfect. Wouldn't you say? I liked it. But there was another one that we were arguing about.
Starting point is 01:35:34 The Father's Day one is from the previous show. I guess it was that show. No, we're talking about Cheap Fakes. Oh, oh, the Darren O'Neill. cheap fakes. Oh, oh the Darren O'Neill that that we were looking at Darren O'Neill's cheap fakes 33 cents which had Jurine Jurine behind the lemonade stand. Oh, yes. Yeah, I like this piece because it was a throwback as a peanuts reference, of course with the free advice booze with the Lucy was back. Would you be back there with Charlie Brown?
Starting point is 01:36:05 Yeah. I liked it. The Scaramanga pieces are probably better in many ways, but the Darren O'Neill piece was good and you criticized it because you said Darren O'Neill's always got this, does throw away stuff. I said Darren O'Neill, no, I didn't criticize it. I said the cheap fakes was better. You didn't want to choose it because you hate
Starting point is 01:36:29 Scaramanga. That's what was going on. You're like that guy he's an a-hole. I remember. No, I never said that but I would say but you did remind me that Scaramanga did turn on the show. He turned on the show, said we're a bunch of jerks for no apparent reason and that got me to quit the entire, that social network they set up. The website, just call it that. The website. And that was the end of that. So there was some thought that Scaramanga should not be picked because of that. Darren O'Neill doesn't even want to be picked. He just wants us to talk about him.
Starting point is 01:37:14 I think you're right. I think Darren is just a, what is it called when you're an attention whore? There you go. And that's it. Well, all disc jockeys are, I guess, to a degree. I think you're right. Thank you, Francisco Scaramanga. And thank you to all the artists who are always there
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Starting point is 01:48:07 No, no, I did not. Well, he's sitting there. I dodged the bullet clearly. You dodged the bullet. So he's sitting there next to Kissinger. I don't know why they got this guy. Oh, the crybaby? The crybaby Kissinger?
Starting point is 01:48:19 The crybaby. And they do something that, or Cuomo obviously decides to throw the Democratic Party under the bus. And I think it's worth playing. It's got nothing to do with any more clips. But this was, to me, it was posted quite a bit. I just took the regular posting of it and played it here. The trial in New York, the one he got convicted for, was the greatest fundraising bonanza ever. He is now, he was lagging behind Biden, and now he's pulled quite a bit ahead.
Starting point is 01:48:52 That trial was the greatest reason people had to send their checks for five, 10, 25, whatever, dollars to Donald Trump. So I, and I was always with you on the one in New York, the hush money trial. I don't think they should have brought that one. It was just always going to look like a sex case and people were always just going to look at it that way.
Starting point is 01:49:13 So anyway. That case, the Attorney General's case in New York, frankly should have never been brought. And if his name was not Donald Trump and he wasn't running for president from the former AG in New York, I'm telling you that case would have never been brought. And that's what is offensive to people. And it should be because if there's anything left, it's belief in the justice system. Why is he doing that? I wonder myself.
Starting point is 01:49:41 I saw it was like he threw the whole party under the bus. I think it's because he never got the support he expected to stay in the end governor and he's worked, he's worked and now he's a critic. So, um, Either that is part of, or part of the giant scheme to get, make sure Trump gets in. Well, I'm thinking that, but if you look at, um, uh, our, uh, the official lawyer of the show, Rob,
Starting point is 01:50:05 he always sends me an updated schedule of all of the lawsuits that Trump is involved in. How many can you name? I can only name three or four. Yeah, there's like nine. Yeah. So we have the hush money case in New York, right? Where that's, I guess we're still waiting sentencing. We have the civil fraud in New York, right? Where that's, I guess we're still waiting sentencing. We have the civil fraud
Starting point is 01:50:27 in New York, Trump and others falsely inflated property values to obtain loans. We have the Dominion case. Dominion claims it was defamed when Trump's campaign allegedly made false accusations that a Dominion executive helped rig the 2020 election. That's in Colorado. Georgia state criminal trial, Trump and 13 others allegedly meddled in Georgia's 2020 presidential election. That's the Fannie Willis case. January 6 immunity, this is in the DC district. Of course, the DC circuit, perhaps the SCOTUS federal criminal. Trump allegedly incited an insurrection on January 6, which allegedly had the effect of obstructing official government proceedings and defrauded
Starting point is 01:51:10 the United States and other things. That's Jack Smith. Then we have what I think is interesting. This is not necessarily involving Trump, but this is also in DC. There's a separate January 6 defendant, Joseph Fisher, who was charged with assault and he's arguing that DOJ can't use Sarbanes-Oxley to prosecute him, which is phenomenal. Somehow they're trying to convict him of violating Sarbanes-Oxley, which I'm not quite sure how that works. South, then we have the Southern District, Florida, the classified documents, mishandling, Michigan, Michigan AG filed charges against 15 Republican electors
Starting point is 01:51:55 for allegedly trying to overturn the 2020 election. Trump is not amongst the 15, but of course it has to do with him. Arizona, that's the 18 Republicans. Giuliani, Mark Meadows. We have the, uh, the Jean Carroll defamation cases, two of them. I mean, this is, it's amazing. What they've done. Yeah. All after he said he's going to run for president. Yes. That's what makes it so great.
Starting point is 01:52:20 Everyone came after he made the announcement. Some within three days. That's what makes it so cool. Um, yes. Well, the only thing I think they accomplished what they wanted. I don't think these cases are going to go anywhere now because the idea was to get him convicted of something and it's been discussed and discussed and they say that people on the inside that are at the, uh, at the hideout where Biden's being prepped and jacked up.
Starting point is 01:52:46 It's called camp David. Camp David. But it's in the basement. So he feels comfortable. And so, um, the idea is he's going to throw out the term convicted felon, which is all they really wanted to get out of this, all these cases, somebody, cause the rest of these have been put off now. These cases are not going to come to fruition, but they got what they wanted, which is convicted felon before the sentencing and before all this,
Starting point is 01:53:14 anything that can reverse the decision can go into play. Cause this is next Thursday, they're going to have the debate. And Biden is going to drop the convicted felon bomb at the debate. Trump will be ready for that. Yeah, well, it'll be interesting to see what ready means in that regard. I don't know. He'll be ready, but what's he going to say? I predict huge numbers on that CNN broadcast. And it's kind of-
Starting point is 01:53:41 That is going to break all records. And it's kind of interesting because it's in a way to throw back to the 60s, I think. The way they're running it is very similar to the Kennedy-Nixon debate. Just a studio, no audience, answer question, then you answer the question, very quote unquote civilized. Yeah, right. So, I was looking into Jake Tapper's background. Spook.
Starting point is 01:54:08 And when you, because he's going to be one of the two hosts, him and Dana Bash. Well, Dana Bash was literally married to a spook. Yes, exactly. So if you read, I think it's even in this Wikipedia. Jake Tapper takes credit. You know, the first CNN debate with Hillary and Trump back in 2016, 2015, 2016 era, one of the debates was at CNN. And because everyone was really interested in this debate. Where they gave Hillary the questions, Donna Brazile.
Starting point is 01:54:46 Yeah, right, Donna Brazile gave her the question. But the point is that it got the highest rating CNN ever got and they credit it because of the presence of Jake Tapper. Really? Yeah. Well, if I recall correctly, one of our producers was in catering and catered the assistant
Starting point is 01:55:09 CIA CIA director's birthday. If something like that or FBI and Jake Tapper was there just working the room. So yeah, yeah, of course that's sources say, you know, sources say, so this will be a huge blockbuster, even though ABC is going to also carry it. But it'll be big numbers for CNN, even though it's going to be watered down because ABC is also going to do a simulcast.
Starting point is 01:55:33 I don't know how they got that to happen. But, you know, it happened. And it'll be because of Tapper. Yeah, everyone wants to see him. Wow, well, Tapper's the man. He's the man of the hour. He's the, cause of Tapper. Yeah. Everyone wants to see him. Wow. Well, Tapper's the man. He's the man of the hour. He's the man about town. There's two incidents with Southwest
Starting point is 01:55:52 that I just need to handle for a second here. The FAA is investigating another concerning incident on a Southwest Airlines flight after a plane appeared to come dangerously close to homes near Oklahoma city. For some reason, they blew through an assigned altitude and continued to get very close to the ground. The Boeing 737, which took off from Las Vegas Tuesday night,
Starting point is 01:56:13 was descending into Oklahoma City's airport just after midnight when it dropped as low as 525 feet over the city of Yukon, passing just over a high school. A low-alt altitude alarm alerted air traffic control which contacted the cockpit. The air traffic controller in the tower saved the day by telling them, check your altitude. This is what I find so interesting. There's a couple of things in this report and it was very similar everywhere. So the flight goes too low, clearly,
Starting point is 01:56:48 because they're still on their approach and they are low. And the tower says, hey, we got a low altitude warning. You guys okay? He didn't say, check your altimeter. No, he didn't say that. He said, you guys okay? Everything all right? To which they replied, yeah, we're good. And then they, they increased their altitude. The air traffic controller in the tower saved the day by telling them, check your altitude. The plane landed safely, but local residents flooded social media saying they thought the plane was going
Starting point is 01:57:21 to hit their homes. It was night. It was late. Perhaps the crew was tired. They were descending over the prairie, so there was no lights or no visual reference. It was essentially descending over a black hole. I don't know who this Jumoke is who's reporting on this, but you are looking at your altimeter. You are looking at the height of your aircraft. You're not looking out into the black hole. Where are we? Do you see anything? Bob, I don't know. looking at the height of your aircraft. You're not looking out into the black hole. Where
Starting point is 01:57:45 are we? Can you see anything? Bob? I don't know. You see the rest. I mean, the only thing I can imagine that happened here is they didn't set their pressure altitude, known as the Q&H, which gives you the correct altitude reading based upon the barometric pressure. Maybe that happened or maybe they're just really inexperienced. Either way, this should not have happened. But it's not... DEI, baby. That's possible. And this kind of goes into the next story, which is part of this report. Whenever I fly and I fly the Cirrus from the flight school. If I go to Dallas with Tina, who doesn't really love flying in this little plane, but I always
Starting point is 01:58:29 take the instructor because I'm going to be 60 in September. I'm not fast. I don't fly enough that I can, especially Dallas area where there's four airports, it's very busy. And if you're on the radio and you go, then the next thing the air traffic control does, okay, you go fly out 20 minutes that way. We'll call you back later when you think you're ready to come in. So, but these are 25 to 28 year olds and I fly what?
Starting point is 01:58:55 Maybe twice a year, maybe three times a year to go somewhere. It's always a new instructor because they are getting, they're getting zapped up right away straight into the airlines. A lot of them female and they're low hours. They've got 700 to maybe a thousand hours. So they get another 500. Then you can fly tech.
Starting point is 01:59:18 According to law, you can fly on a jet, on a big one, a passenger jet, but they really don't have just all the experience. And whatever happened with the pilots, I think a lot of them died, a lot of them retired, a lot of them got out of the business. I don't know about DEI, but there's not a lot of experiential airmen and airwomen who are in the business now, and this is what we're seeing. They were given clearance for a visual approach,
Starting point is 01:59:48 so they were looking out at the lights of Oklahoma City, looking for the airport, and for some reason, they missed that assigned altitude. Perhaps it was distraction in the cockpit. Earlier this week, it was revealed a Southwest plane from Hawaii came within just 400 feet of slamming into the ocean back in April. A memo saying a newer first officer accidentally pushed forward the control column.
Starting point is 02:00:10 This is unbelievable to me because they were executing a go around. It was horrible weather. There was a lot of torrential rain. A lot of airplanes were doing go around, which is, hey, I don't feel good. I don't think we should land. Let's just, let's go around. We'll try it again. And so what you do then is you, you push the throttle forward, you pull back on the control column. Eventually you want to put the, you know, put the flaps back in the right position.
Starting point is 02:00:38 Why someone would push forward on the column, that person should not be in the cockpit. I don't know what happened there. All I know is that the real good pilots who are from Navy and Air Force, they're not going to airlines that have Boeing anymore. They're all going to Airbus outfits, particularly FedEx and anything else that doesn't have passengers and has Airbus. and anything else that doesn't have passengers and has Airbus.
Starting point is 02:01:06 They don't wanna fly Boeing and Southwest is all Boeing. So that's my report. Well, that stinks. It does stink. It's not a happy report. There are C5 pilots you think could fly anything. Yeah, but they don't wanna fly that. They don't wanna fly Southwest.
Starting point is 02:01:25 I guess not. It's pride month, John. Time to make fun. Oh yes. I've been, I've only had my one opportunity for this. I guess you must have a few clips. Yes. I got some Chicago local news. The university of Illinois has received an award for their, let me see, what is it? The LGBTQ plus healthcare equality high performer. And boy, the ladies on the show were all jitty. It's a two-parter.
Starting point is 02:02:04 This pride month, the University of Illinois Hospital and Clinics have a lot to celebrate. UI Health has been recognized as an LGBTQ plus healthcare equality leader for the ninth year in a row. That means they are going beyond the basics when it comes to adopting policies and practices in queer care. Dr. Mimi Arquilla. Queer care. Here it is, John. That's the new one. Queer care we have now. Healthcare? No, queer care. Dr. Mimi Arquilla. Queer care. Here it is, John. That's the new one. Queer care we have now. Health care?
Starting point is 02:02:27 No, queer care. It comes to adopting policies and practices in queer care. Dr. Mimi Arquilla and Carl Johnson join us now with more. Thank you so much for being here. Thanks for having us. Thank you. Yeah. So, doctor, tell us what this designation really means. Doctor, what is queer care? Can we start there? Okay, certainly. It means that our health care facility was evaluated in four areas,
Starting point is 02:02:53 and those areas being the programs and services we provide for LGBTQ plus people, the, or what our foundational practices are in terms of our organization, in terms of our involvement with the community, and also in terms of our employee benefits and services. And so we provide services in all four of those areas and we do it, we feel very well, and that is how we got that designation, is because we were able to achieve high status, high standards in those areas.
Starting point is 02:03:25 And it's so important to promote inclusive care. What does that mean? Tell all of our viewers. Yeah, so I think when... By the way, this clearly woman, who you're hearing, female voice, is dressed and looks like a dude. What does that mean? Tell all of our viewers. Yeah, so I think when understanding inclusive care, you first have to kind of understand that not everyone has the same experience in healthcare. And that can be for a lot of reasons. It can be because of gender, sexual orientation, race, insurance status, lots of different things.
Starting point is 02:03:54 And with inclusive care, the goal is to provide high quality care to everyone. And to do that, you really have to break down barriers and meet the community where it's at and really address those needs. So I was about to throw this clip away. I'm like, they said absolutely nothing other than we excel at queer care, which is just offensive. What is queer care? I mean, that's not even a gender, but now we have queer care.
Starting point is 02:04:21 And I would have tossed it out had I not gotten a complete explanation of what they really won the award for in this second clip. Talk about some of those hesitations that people might face in going to get care where someone may not even think that this is something that other people are facing. Yeah, so there's a lot of reasons people don't like going to the doctor. I think in particular for LGBTQ people, it can be fearful of other situations that have happened that have been unpleasant, like being called the wrong name, being misgendered, asked invasive questions
Starting point is 02:04:53 that don't really have to do with what you're there for, or just having a provider who doesn't know a whole lot about LGBTQ health. And as someone who's not only a doctor, but a patient and has had all of those experiences at other healthcare institutions, I completely understand why people don't want to go to the doctor and I really empathize with them. But I think it also kind of drives me to advocate for a really great healthcare experience and
Starting point is 02:05:19 similar to UI Health, the guiding forces kind of treat others the way you'd want to be treated and in doing so, there's a lot of things to make people more comfortable at the doctor and the healthcare setting. All right, here we're getting down to it. So it's about being misgendered and what actually can we do to win this award and make you feel comfortable? And, you know, some of those things are as easy as wearing like a pronoun, you know, pin to let people know your pronouns.
Starting point is 02:05:50 There it is. Asking people their name, their pronouns, using those correctly, and just creating a welcoming environment. It's about the pronouns. That's it? Yes, it's all about wearing a pronoun pin so people know that you're an ally and that you care about pronouns. That's it.
Starting point is 02:06:10 Because this person was misgendered somewhere. And this went on for 10 minutes. Queer care. Wow. But I love the, but your insurance status. I literally have no health insurance. Don't you have some sort of Texas thing? No, I have, you know, we have crowd health, which is,
Starting point is 02:06:37 it's crowdfunding. So you pay like 300 bucks a month. No, that's reasonable. And that, well, yeah, but we were paying 1800 a month for the two of us. That's not reasonable and deductible $16,000. Are you kidding me? Yeah, it's ridiculous. Just the whole thing.
Starting point is 02:07:01 It's a jip. It's just a complete jip. But if you go for the queer care, oh, you don't have to have any insurance. You're queer, we'll take care of you. No, maybe you should go queer. What's your problem? I might have to.
Starting point is 02:07:14 There seems to be some benefits. So I, just to change topics a little bit, I do have a clip since we brought up the very beginning of the show, which was what can trigger a collapse of the AI phenomenon. Yeah. And so I have this, what I call the wow clip, which is a clip that addresses this a little bit.
Starting point is 02:07:39 It's from NPR. It's about the Clearview suit that is not really being covered very well, but it's- Clearview, that is not really being covered very well, but it's clear. Clearview is, are those the guys that, uh, that sell all the pictures to the cops? Yeah. Facial recognition company. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:07:53 That company. Yeah. Play. Yep. Just play. The facial recognition startup Clearview AI reached a settlement in a lawsuit alleging its massive photo collection of faces violated the subject's privacy rights. Attorneys say the deal could be worth more than fifty million dollars. Judge Sharon Johnson Coleman gave
Starting point is 02:08:13 preliminary approval to the agreement yesterday, but the unique agreement gives plaintiffs in the case a share of the company's potential value rather than a traditional payout. Clearview is not admitting fault as part of the agreement. What makes this wow to me is that these companies have finally, especially a public company, decided, hey what if we do the payout of these lawsuits in stock? I thought that was genius. That is a good idea. Yeah. Oh, okay.
Starting point is 02:08:47 We owe what? Well, a hundred million dollars. Okay. Let's issue some more stock. Now, do they do an offering for that? They do a secondary? I think it would be a private offering. You could do it.
Starting point is 02:08:57 There's all kinds of scamish ways to do it. They could do a pipe. They could do a lot of things, but it's just genius as far as I'm concerned. Companies note this, even at Ford, say Ford, General Motors, they have it. They were Ford during the Pinto era. Instead of giving people money. They have some stock. You have some stock.
Starting point is 02:09:17 That is a good idea. Well, speaking of lawsuits or legal matters, although there's not a lot of reporting in the US per se about the Saudi Arabia de-dollarizing, I'm just going to use that term, by apparently not renewing the deal to only sell their oil in US dollars, making the US dollar the reserve currency. Well, I think that we're starting to nudge them a little bit as CBS out of the blue, the CIA broadcasting system, starts to bring up an old story, which includes the 28 pages that were not included in the 9-11 Commission report. Oh yeah. 28 pages that were not included in the 9-11 Commission report.
Starting point is 02:10:05 Oh yeah. CBS News exclusive, the unnerving video outside the US Capitol filmed two years before the 9-11 attacks. Good evening, I'm Nora O'Donnell and thank you for being with us. Two decades ago, the 9-11 Commission found that al-Qaeda acted alone, but victims' families say that is not true. Pointing to this video and other evidence as proof. They are suing Saudi Arabia, claiming its government
Starting point is 02:10:29 provided crucial assistance to the hijackers and planners behind the September 11th attacks that killed nearly 3,000 people. 60 Minutes correspondent Cecilia Vega reports. A voice on the video says in Arabic, I am transmitting these scenes to you from the heart of the American capital, Washington. This video, unsealed in federal court this week and obtained by 60 Minutes, was recorded in the summer of 1999. Man behind the camera is Omar al-Bayoumi, who the FBI says was an operative of the Saudi intelligence service with close ties to two of the 9-11 hijackers.
Starting point is 02:11:09 The video was filmed over several days. Bayoumi recorded entrances and exits of the Capitol, security posts, a model of the building, and nearby landmarks. In this portion of the video, Bayoumi points out the Washington monument and says, I will get over there and report to you in detail what is there. He also notes the airport is not far away. So then they bring in a whole bunch of former spooks to confirm this. And this was probably related to flight 93. Richard Lambert is a retired FBI agent who led the initial 9 11 investigation in San Diego, where Bayoumi and the two hijackers lived temporarily before the attacks.
Starting point is 02:11:49 He's now a consultant on the case filed by the 9-11 families. If you've ever flown into Washington, DC, one of the first things you see on the horizon is the Washington Monument. So if you know where your other targets are in terms of the Washington Monument, it helps guide you to your intended target. Federal investigators believe the hijackers on Flight 93, which crashed near Shanksville,
Starting point is 02:12:13 Pennsylvania, had the U.S. Capitol as their likely target. The lawyers for the 9-11 families and former intelligence analysts we spoke to believe portions of the video show Bayoumi surveilling the Capitol as part of that plan. And in the video he references a quote plan. You said that in the plan. What plan? Who is he talking to? What do you think he's talking about? I think he's talking to the Al Qaeda planners who tasked him to take the pre-operational surveillance video of the intended target. So this video is taken in late June and early July of 1999.
Starting point is 02:12:54 What does that timing tell you? Well, that means it was taken within 90 days of the time when senior Al Qaeda planners reached the decision that the capital would be a target of the 9-11 attacks. That's when Osama bin Laden decided to approve Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's so-called planes operation. In the days after 9-11, British police discovered the video during a raid on Bayoumi's UK apartment. They also seized Bayoumi's handwritten address book that the lawyers for the 9-11 families say was filled with phone numbers of numerous senior Saudi officials who were in the government at the time. I don't believe any of this story, of course, but that's not the point.
Starting point is 02:13:36 The point is, okay, Saudi Arabia, we got your number. We go back to the 9-11 situation at the time. There was a lot of discussion about suing Saudi Arabia. Yes. And our government blocked it. Yes, because we had to deal with them. No, no, no, you can't sue them because they're our friends. And so it got blocked, never happened.
Starting point is 02:14:00 And then this, but we all knew that there was some, some information that was left out of the report. And so, which could be anything that could create, they had a number of years to create this whole thing could be like you think is maybe a fake. But yes, this is exactly right. This is a little pressure point. Cause if Saudi Arabia got blamed and sued by all these, by the 3000 families that were harmed.
Starting point is 02:14:27 It would be a nightmare. That was the idea, to prevent the nightmare. Now, okay, you guys are gonna screw us out of our petrodollar deal that you agreed to. Either re-sign up or the nightmare begins. That's what this is. The UCC7 won't go away. There's a little annoying fact about it.
Starting point is 02:14:49 That was a good find. I'll give you a clip of the day. Wow. Well, thank you. Appreciate it. Clip of the day. Unexpected, but I just came across it. I'm like, hey, let me clip that. Let me clip that. Yeah, that's what the show is all about. That's what it's always about.
Starting point is 02:15:09 But I wanna move into Israel. It's now just Israel versus everybody. I do have the Gaza update from PBS. If you wanna just start with that. Oh yeah, we'll start with that. Hold on a second. Gaza, Gaza update, PBS, here we go. Death toll in Gaza climbed higher today following two Israeli airstrikes on separate locations. Second, Gaz... Gaz... Update, PBS, here we go.
Starting point is 02:15:25 Death toll in Gaza climbed higher today following two Israeli airstrikes on separate locations. One hit a refugee camp and another struck an eastern neighborhood of Gaza City. Palestinian and hospital officials said at least 39 people were killed. Israel's military said they were targeting two Hamas military sites. And in Tel Aviv tonight, thousands of people rallied to demand new elections and call for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to reach a deal to bring hostages home. They keep trying to get him out.
Starting point is 02:15:55 He's just like, nope, nope, I'm just gonna sit here. It's mostly Western reporting that talks about this. If you get to the Middle East reporting, there's less of it. Oh yeah. Trying to get him out. I think this is us trying to get him out. Well, I don't think we're trying to, well, maybe the Biden administration, but the whole idea here is exactly what we heard from, um, uh,
Starting point is 02:16:20 Massey, representative Massey who said these military industrial complex donors to APAC, they want war, they want more war, they want war not just within Gaza. That's just a starter pack. We want to go to Lebanon, it's on the West Clark 7, and they want to get to Iran. And that's where this is headed. Here's NPR. We have to remember the Lebanese state is extremely weak and Hezbollah was created with
Starting point is 02:16:47 the help of Iran, largely to fight Israel after the Israeli invasion of Lebanon in 1982. Misrallah said his group is much better armed now. And as an example, he noted drone footage released this week with detailed images of potential targets in Haifa, Israel's major port city. He gloated that with all of Israel's air defenses, the drone was able to slip through them. And he said that if there were war, Hezbollah would fight with what he said were no rules. As for reaction, Israel's foreign minister dismissed Israel's remarks, saying that if
Starting point is 02:17:22 it came to war, Hezbollah would be destroyed and Lebanon severely hit. And Israel also has interests in a gas field off the coast of Lebanon. Oh yes, yes. Leviathan, Leviathan, right over there. Beautiful. And the BBC, of course, chimed in. The UN chief, Antonio Guterres, has warned that escalating tensions on Israel's northern border could trigger a catastrophe and turn Lebanon into quote, another Gaza.
Starting point is 02:17:50 All out conflict has been threatening to erupt there since the Lebanese militant group Hezbollah began firing missiles into northern Israel following the October the 7th massacre, prompting tit for tat responses from Israel. It's so interesting how this happens. Like, well, you know, we're almost done there in Gaza. We've killed everybody. You know what? Why don't we lob some missiles in?
Starting point is 02:18:14 It's our turn now. Now we're going to do it. Israeli strikes into southern Lebanon have displaced more than 90,000 people on the Lebanese side of the border. But some have stayed, saying it's better to die at home with dignity than be driven out of their land like the Palestinians. Fear of all-out war extends as far as the capital Beirut,
Starting point is 02:18:37 where some say they keep suitcases packed and passports ready in case full-scale war breaks out. Hezbollah is a well-trained, well-armed military backed by Iran. Its leader, Hassan Nasrallah, has threatened to invade Israel if full-scale war breaks out and says nowhere in the country will be spared. But Israel has been talking up its readiness to take them on. Tough talk is part of both sides' strategy of deterrence, but the line between deterrence and decision on a war is becoming harder to see. But the longer this conflict goes on, the more it turns into playing with fire. I mean, war is such great business.
Starting point is 02:19:32 I mean, how's Raytheon stock? Is that doing anything? That doing any, let me take a look at the year to date. Oh yeah. Well, he was at $85 in January. It's 105 now. Beautiful. Beautiful. Raytheon stock up, that's great.
Starting point is 02:19:48 And remember all my Iranian friends always say, oh no, no, no, they are the American Iran, they play these games together. And then when we have Russia doing deals with North Korea, you can't make this up. South Korea has condemned a defense pact that North Korea signed with Russia earlier this week. The foreign ministry called it a threat to peace and stability on the Korean Peninsula. Seoul summoned Russia's ambassador to the foreign ministry to discuss its concerns. While the details of the military pact are still murky, South Korea is worried
Starting point is 02:20:25 that it could encourage North Korean aggression. Seoul announced in response that it was considering sending weapons to Ukraine to support its defense against Russia. Are you kidding me? So now we have North Korea and South Korea representing Russia and Ukraine. Are you kidding me? Frank, Vladimir Putin warned Seoul that supporting Ukraine would be a very big mistake. How is Seoul interpreting that warning? Well, I think Seoul is still interpreting that warning. One of the articles of this agreement suggested that each country, North Korea and Russia, would come to each other's aid with all means if they were in
Starting point is 02:21:07 a state of war. The Korean War ended with an armistice, not a peace treaty. So a state of war arguably exists now on the Korean Peninsula. Please. This is just sick. It's unbelievable. They're just pushing it right in our face. Oh, look, we'll make some more war stuff over here. You know, spend more on war. That's a good way to waste money. Yeah, we got people with tranks just upside down in the streets bent over. So I have my two Ukraine, Ukraine.
Starting point is 02:21:45 I'm sorry. Ukraine. I got a couple of Ukraine updates, one from NPR and contrasting with one from PBS. Okay. I think they're both short, but let's see how they do. Let's start with NPR. Russia launched a major attack of guided bombs on Kharkiv, Ukraine's second biggest city overnight, killing at least three people and injuring more than a dozen.
Starting point is 02:22:11 Witnesses say four explosions were heard around the city, and Moscow also targeted Ukraine's power grid for the eighth time in the past three months. Ukraine's air force says its defense systems shot down 12 of the 16 missiles and all 13 drones launched by Russia. Man, Eric Schmidt's making out on this deal. Remember he was doing all the drones in Ukraine? He's making out. No, I don't remember that.
Starting point is 02:22:37 Yeah, he had a whole sit down with Fareed Zakaria. He's like, oh drones, it's going to be drones. And he was right. It's all drones. Everyone's drones. Well, actually, the guided bombs are the more, it's interesting that NPR mentioned the guided bombs, which is really what the Russians are, that no one can stop these things because they're coming down at the speed of gravity.
Starting point is 02:22:58 Right, the glide bombs. They're not buzzing around. I find it interesting that PBS, I don't believe in this clip, even mentions the guided bombs. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said Russia has launched more than 2,400 guided missiles at Ukrainian targets this month alone. His remarks followed a deadly day of attacks that killed three people and injured dozens more in Kharkiv, that's Ukraine's second largest city. Zelensky said Ukraine needs more help from Western allies.
Starting point is 02:23:30 Oh yeah. So I got some useful news from Africa News. It's not about Africa. This is the only place I could find this where Putin is reaching out to NATO. During a briefing with graduate military and law enforcement schools in Moscow, Russian President Vladimir Putin expressed his willingness to engage in discussions regarding security matters with NATO member countries. Recently at a meeting with the leadership of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, I outlined our vision on the work to create equal and indivisible security in Eurasia.
Starting point is 02:24:08 We are ready for a broad international discussion of these key vital issues, both with our colleagues in the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation, the CIS, the Eurasian Economic Community, BRICS, and other international associations, European and NATO states, among others, naturally are the time when they are ready for this. In addition, Putin pledged to enhance the nuclear capabilities of his nation and equip the military with a state-of-the-art weaponry. So he wants to talk, but in the meantime, ramp up the nukes. They don't want to talk. No,es. They don't want to talk.
Starting point is 02:24:46 No, of course they don't want to talk. They don't talk to himself. They never talk about peace, ever, ever. I have a- Peace, there's no money in it. Peace is not profitable. I have a little bit, some updates on the bird flu, which has gone kind of quiet during this
Starting point is 02:25:06 week. Yes, I noticed this. During this week of the debate. First we have Larkin, soon to be Dame Malarkey, and she provides a boots on the ground. She says, I'm a third generation farmer in California and I have so much farming information to share with you guys. It is our busy season, but I'll try to send more info soon. Although the war on chickens jingle is one of the best, I believe it is a war on protein,
Starting point is 02:25:38 beef, dairy and chicken and just farmers in general. Notice you don't hear much about pork. This is true. Of course, the Chinese own the pork industry in the US, Smithfield Foods. We don't hear much about pork. It's only chicken, beef, dairy, not about pork. It's interesting.
Starting point is 02:26:01 I think, yes, and it's when you, and the pork prices are extremely low right now. Uh-huh. Yeah, the summer of pork is what we talked about. Chinese pork. Talked about the summer of pork. I literally said the summer of pork on the show. All right. Don't make me look it up. I don't want you to look it up.
Starting point is 02:26:23 And I reached out to my friends who did very well in the testing business during COVID. Your buddies. Yep. And I said, what are you hearing about the bird flu? Here's what came back. The CDC made a call out last week to CLIA certified laboratories, asking them to create rapid tests for bird flu, just like they did when COVID started and a surplus of rapid tests popped up on the market. I'll keep you posted. So. Oh, that'd mean more free tests. Yeah. That'll load up.
Starting point is 02:26:57 We know it's a bonanza. We know it's a bonanza. Yeah. Well, I get to test for free, but somebody's paying for them. Exactly. The taxpayer. The US government. Yes, the vape wars are back on. I see you have two vape war clips. I'd like to start with whatever you have. Yeah, these are kind of pathetic. Oh, good. Let's start with those. Let's start with the pathetic ones.
Starting point is 02:27:30 Yeah, this is about trying to get kids off of these things and this is considered a crisis. Uh-huh. So let's go. It's a teen vape crisis. This is good stuff. One of my friends was so addicted, she would say things like, I'll just die at 20, whatever.
Starting point is 02:27:47 2.1 million teens vaped in 2023, a third of whom were just in middle school. Who's doing this reporting? What outfit? I believe this is NPR. At a Senate hearing Wednesday, lawmakers asked the FDA why it's failing to tackle the problem. This is a shelf full of potentially dangerous substances in a store in the shadow of the FDA building. I'm just trying to figure out if any of this is illegal or how in the hell it's legal.
Starting point is 02:28:19 Senator Tom Tillis points to flavors such as strawberry, dragon fruit, watermelon, even watermelon bubble gum. The FDA's director of tobacco products, Brian King, never directly answered. We do have a pre-market paradigm for reviewing applications and the sheer volume of those applications and the volume of the market requires us to prioritize our enforcement efforts. The president of the campaign for tobacco-free kids, Yolanda Richardson, answered in his place. FDA failed to assert its regulatory authority over e-cigarettes until a substantial e-cigarette market had already formed and e-cigarettes had already become the most popular tobacco product among youth.
Starting point is 02:29:02 FDA then further delayed. E-cigarette popularity exploded in the mid-2000s when they entered the market. The U.S. market was valued at $28 billion in 2023 and is expected to grow at a compound annual rate of 30.6% from 2023 to 2030. Only 23 e-cigarette brands are authorized for sale in the US, but over 6,000 brands are on the market. This is actually quite good because I know what this is about. What is interesting is they keep saying e-cigarette and tobacco product. Vape is not a tobacco product. There's no tobacco in it. Nicotine, yes, but that's not a tobacco, this was the whole problem,
Starting point is 02:29:55 is that kids were vaping and they weren't smoking, so the MSA, the master states agreement, that the tax money was going down, down, down because these kids are not on tobacco. Now, all of a sudden, vape is an e-cigarette and it's a tobacco product. This is the new, this is the new thing they're doing. This is a big switcheroo. Well, they've done a good job of it. You know, the funny thing as I had to listen to when recorded and edited these
Starting point is 02:30:24 reports, I don't see anybody using vapes at all in the Bay Area. Well, you're about to, and I'll tell you why, but I want to hear your second clip. Okay, well let's play clip two and then you can tell me why. Over a quarter of youth e-cigarette users use the products every day. One of the primary reasons, as you have heard, children are attracted to e-cigarettes is the sweet fruit, candy and mint flavors they come in. Dr. Susan Walley helps people get off nicotine products.
Starting point is 02:30:53 She says it's very difficult to get children to quit because of the high nicotine volume and vapes. The adolescent brain is more susceptible to nicotine addiction. So symptoms of dependence can appear in days to weeks of first experimentation. She says for most teens, usage is consistent, frequent and dependent. Such is the case with high schooler, Josie Shapiro. The first flavor I tried was blueberry ice,
Starting point is 02:31:21 but I tried pretty much every flavor my friends had. I thought I was just enjoying the flavors, but soon my 14-year-old brain craved the nicotine more and more. Shapiro is still addicted. She says vaping is affecting her mood, her ability to breathe, her skin, and her social life. I've tried to quit vaping over and over again, but it's really, really hard. Everything in my life is a trigger.
Starting point is 02:31:43 Hanging out with friends, driving my car, going to the bathroom, going into the convenience store. All of it makes me want to vape. The FDA and Department of Justice have pledged further cooperation in battling teen vaping. They're forming a task force with several other agencies, including the Postal Service. Yes, okay.
Starting point is 02:32:04 Before you go on with your analysis, I don't know if you noticed this, but she said she's a 14 year older. It's her 14 year old brain. She's reading from a script. And then she said she was driving a car. Isn't that interesting? How does that work?
Starting point is 02:32:21 How does a four, you know, is she stolen, steals cars? She doesn't have a license if she's 14 joy riding we used to do that So there's something about this report that that kind of bothered me. All right So we have to go back and and and I know we have vape experts out there who will help me if I go Estraight and please feel free to email me because this I'm a vapor but it's not an e cigarette Okay, it's a big battery and I wind the coil and I've got pure cotton, not from China. So first we had Juul. This is really what it was, the Juul e-cigarette, the vape, which was, you put in a little thing
Starting point is 02:32:57 in there, a little cartridge, and Reynolds bought it. Who owns Marlboro? Is that Philip Morris? Philip Morris, I guess. They bought it, who owns Marlboro? Is that Philip Morris? Philip Morris, I guess. They bought it, they tanked the company, blew the company up. What's happened now is all these companies that wanted to have, especially these flavors,
Starting point is 02:33:19 they're all out of business because the FDA said, you can only get something on the market if you pay to have every single flavor and every Nicotine level tested at about a million bucks per flavor per nicotine level So all these companies without a business vaping is pretty much is dead Except for the Chinese that's why the Postal Service was involved in that report The Chinese are flooding the market with absolute crap because all these flavors, whatever, who knows what they're putting in that. But that's not what this is about. This is about bringing back Juul. I think one or two shows ago, we had the FDA going,
Starting point is 02:33:56 oh yeah, no, Juul, yeah, we're going to approve you now. And right on cue after they took menthol cigarettes out, menthol cigarettes, who smokes menthol cigarettes? Black America smokes menthol cigarettes. Let's bring them back in people. The FDA has approved the sale of the first menthol e-cigarettes for adults. The authorization does not mean vaping is safe, but health officials say it can be a little bit less harmful as an alternative to regular cigarettes. The move already is getting pushed back from anti-smoking groups who argue it's only gonna fuel the youth vaping epidemic further. And why do they want all this? This is because of Senate Bill
Starting point is 02:34:38 2929 to amend Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to provide tax rate parity among all tobacco products and for other purposes and this is also known as the What is this called the tobacco tax equity act and what do they insert into the tax code? nicotine taxable nicotine Remember, it's not a tobacco product. So now oh Yeah, this is how we do it You want you want to do something bad kids? No problem as long as we can tax it
Starting point is 02:35:18 So now they're going to tax the vapes and now we make it legal again We just have to get the Chinese stuff off of the market. It's so insidious. They ruined a burgeoning industry, almost got Trump in on the deal if you remember, and Melania saying, oh no, this vaping is bad. And then Trump was like, yeah. And then he spun on a dime and dropped out
Starting point is 02:35:41 of that whole thing. Because this was the scam they were pulling. They ruined all competition, gave it to the big tobacco guys, and now they make it legal again with their approved tobacco products, which is not tobacco, it's nicotine and it's taxed. It's a beautiful scam. It's excellent. It's excellent. I have to say, if you're going to do it, do it well. But don't pretend like, you know, these little script kiddies. No, no, you can pretend all you want.
Starting point is 02:36:12 It doesn't matter. Nobody cares. I care. But you're the only one. I'm not the only one. I'm not the only Vapor. No, I'm saying you're the only one who cares about the scam. Oh, well, because I'm not in on it.
Starting point is 02:36:30 Which, by the way, is a very interesting take. I'm not in on the scam. I'm going to expose these scams I'm not involved in. One more clip I wanted to play about the anti-defamation league, because this just cracked me up. This is too funny. It's from Morning Joe. So it's like everyone's going crazy. What side are we supposed to be on? We have to be on the on the Jew side, on the Arab side, the Hamas side, the Hezbollah side. We're confused. Let's go to Wikipedia. One of the world's most popular information websites has declared the Anti-Defamation League as an unreliable source.
Starting point is 02:37:07 The editors at Wikipedia now say that the top Jewish civil rights group and one of the world's preeminent authorities on anti-Jewish hate is not a reliable source for information about the Israel-Palestine conflict and anti-Semitism. Their claim that because you guys are both, in their words, advocacy and a resource organization, so therefore the advocacy taints the research. What do you make of that? I mean, look, our processes are absolutely rigorous. Our methodologies are sound.
Starting point is 02:37:40 They stand up to scrutiny. Everything is transparent and done very above the board. We have a team of VHDs who does this work. Antisemitism is up. Acts of harassment, vandalism, and violence are up. And if you don't have the leading organization in the world tracking antisemitism in our data on Wikipedia, antisemitism will continue to increase. I mean, we work with policymakers,
Starting point is 02:38:05 we work with journalists, we work with elected officials, law enforcement to shed a light on this. I just love that they're taking Wikipedia seriously. Yeah, that's pathetic, but there's also an illogic in what he said. And the illogic is that if we're not doing our jobs and anti-Semitism will increase, well, you're doing your jobs and it's increasing anyway.
Starting point is 02:38:31 So what good are you? I just love the editors at Wikipedia determine. Yeah, Wikipedia has always been woke and it's got all kinds of issues. It's completely wrong about half a dozen things at least, and it stays with it. There's a bunch of spooks running it. It's hilarious. I think it's great. Oh, by the way, Sir Jake sent me a note.
Starting point is 02:38:57 We were talking about Taco Tuesday on the Eisenhower. Was it Eisenhower? What's the? Eisenhower. Oh yeah, the USS Eisenhower. USS Eisenhower. And I was like, oh, what's this with Taco Tuesday? Well, I got slapped. As a naval supply officer who has been in charge of galleys on ships, I can confirm
Starting point is 02:39:17 that Taco Tuesday is a huge hit of sailor favorite and something we simply can't do without if Taco Tuesdays went away, it would be a morale crusher. Good to know. I doubt it. Good to know. I take it from Sir Jake. He's he knows what's up. Well, if you before we take our final break, I do have a kind of a second
Starting point is 02:39:42 half of show, a couple of clips. Well, let me just throw the theremin in them. All right, now entering second half of show. You've taken over my gig. Let's find out. Well, nobody else is doing it. No, of course I'm not doing it. So this is a podcast called Forbidden News that has gotten a lot of attention on the on the Twitter and some other social networks and it's gotten a lot of attention on the, on the Twitter and some other social networks. And it's just a couple of blowhards. This guy,
Starting point is 02:40:11 Oh Looney or Looney or whatever his name is, British guys. And they're talking about the, how the UN troops are coming in to take over everything. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. This is always good. Yeah. The blue helmets are coming. And they're going to come in and they're coming to the United States too, but this is the British version. It's the same kind of story that we get here, but this is a bunch of Brits talking back and forth about it. And to listen to this insanity is just beyond me. So this UN soldiers on forbidden news. You know, we talked a lot about a lot of things to do with COVID and what your
Starting point is 02:40:44 experiences were with all of that, but you've also been speaking out about something else that seems to be growing exponentially every day, and that is the mass illegal immigration that's going on in England, in Wales, in Scotland, and over in Ireland as well. I mean, it is quite literally off the charts. And a lot of people, a lot of people are saying,
Starting point is 02:41:08 look, this isn't normal. There's something not right. This isn't just refugees coming in. These aren't people fleeing from some kind of war zone. These are predominantly men aged between 25 and 35, young fighting age men, as my old boss, Nigel Farage once referred to them. And I think he's right. John, what do you men as my old boss, Nigel Farage, once referred to them. And I think he's right. John, what do you think is going on here, mate?
Starting point is 02:41:29 So I can tell you these are UN soldiers and they will be deployed by the WHO when they announce the next pandemic lockdown. That's what's going to happen. They've been trained by British soldiers, been trained by the Black Watch Regiment. They were training them in Antalya in Turkey and in the east of Ukraine. They're predominantly down to sergeant ranks. They're then shipped to France. They all signed the Official Secrets Act. Then they're ferried over. The idea of them being ferried over is they're lost at sea. They have to be, under international law, saved from being lost at sea. That's why they take the route they do. The boats are housed in a home office compound.
Starting point is 02:42:09 And then they're shipped back to France on two British haulies firm lorries. And I can supply you the details of the reg numbers. Two plain unsigned written lorries. The pallets, the outboard motors are strapped on pallets. They go on one lorry. The boats go on to the other lorry and they're sent back to France for reuse. I've got 11 gigabytes of footage.
Starting point is 02:42:32 There's a guy down there, ex-military, he's been using drones and surveillance on them for a long time. What made you listen to this? I got into a back and forth with one of our producers. Oh, it's one of the, I love these emails like, this is great. You got to listen to this. You got to watch this three hour rumble video. Yes, always rumble.
Starting point is 02:42:54 And you did it. I did. So, military age men, there it is again, military age men. It's the same trope. Yeah. This is a total trope. The people that have the guts to make these kinds of, you know, they leave one country and go to another one way or another. It tends to be people in a certain age group because you're not going to find 90 year old men or kids or anything in between. So,
Starting point is 02:43:20 it's military age men. And so, but the rationale, this is what I have these clips. It's the rationale and the delusion that these guys express. And I hear it from the, from our producers that get into this too. It's delusional to imagine that any of these, you know, this, I have clips, I have, there's a guy who's been taking movies. I got a million hours of it. He was on Jimmy Dore. He was on Jimmy Dore. It must be real. I have clips, I have, there's a guy who's been taking movies. I got a million hours of it. And this is- He was on Jimmy Dore. He was on Jimmy Dore.
Starting point is 02:43:47 It must be real. Yes, exactly. And so I, so I have these and I consider this second half of show nuttiness. So let's go as part two. Just, just to recap, you, you've got, you've got evidence that these boats that are coming in, they're, they're only doing that big.
Starting point is 02:44:03 So to, so to meet some kind of or pass through underneath some kind of radar in terms of legislation. If you're lost at sea, they're obliged to save you. And that's the idea of them coming over in small rubber boats is they're lost at sea. That's the maritime law. So you're saying that these are not normal illegal matters? If you think about it logically and kind of based on a common sense approach, if you were fleeing war and tyranny, I don't know about you, but I would certainly take my wife and children with me. They're my prized asset. They're everything to me. If you're going
Starting point is 02:44:42 to war, you go to war with the lads. And these young men are coming over. They're everything to me. If you're going to war, you got war with the lads. And that's exactly these young men are coming over there, they're going to be deployed, they will be deployed. And people will see then, you know, and I don't doubt there'll still be some mopeds that will stand on their doorsteps, banging pots and pans, you know, thanking these young men for helping us, you know, because initially they'll be deployed in what's perceived or conveyed as a humanitarian role. I'm going to tell you something. I nearly fell off my chair when I interviewed this young man. His name is Niall McConnell. He's an Irish political candidate. And I was having an interview with him a couple of days ago and he was telling me, and I'd been aware
Starting point is 02:45:19 of this, but he was telling me that these illegal migrants are being recruited for police. They're illegal, right? But they're going to be given the position of police officers in Ireland to police-hide these people. And to vote. And to vote. Oh my goodness. If you send me one of these links, it's like a Corbett report, and I don't reply to you
Starting point is 02:45:41 as a- Corpid report. It's because we have been doing this for 17 years. I mean, I even got some on the other day. You clearly aren't familiar with the Q strategy. I mean that's still not around, is it? Oh yeah. And it was because, you know, I was talking about Trump, like, you know, he hired all these horrible people. He's good at firing, but he's not good at hiring. No, no, no. You'd understand. That's the Q strategy. Keep your enemies even closer. Oh, okay.
Starting point is 02:46:18 Oh, please. This is, JFK Jr. is going to be his vice presidential pick. If JFK Jr. is his vice presidential pick and JFK Jr. comes back from the dead, I will eat my boot. Well, that's a bet you can make these kinds of assertions because the chances are zero in hell. And Fauci's mom is Mother Teresa. I mean, it's crazy. I like that one. Yeah. Just look at her face. And look at the blue and white colors from Epstein's Island. So here we go with part three and this is the end.
Starting point is 02:47:01 And to vote. That's what nearly made me fail off my chair, because he said, they just have to prove that they've been living there in any capacity, could be a tent, for the last six months. Yes. And they will then be allowed to stand in the elections and become elected. Yes, yes. Illegal migrants. You've got people like Sinn Féin facilitating that, you know. What happened to Sinn Fein? What happened to them? At one time, Sinn Fein, a lot of people in America, they still don't, they haven't woken up to this yet. At one time, Sinn Fein was seen as the political arm of the IRA. Yes.
Starting point is 02:47:36 They were fighting for Irish Republicism. They were fighting for Ireland. They were fighting for Ireland. Now they're destroying Ireland. It goes on. Trey Lockerbie Yeah, I can imagine. Well, you're very brave. You're very brave to have sat through all that. Podcasts. I have my hopes still high on podcasts, but especially do you know that have you been following just as a last little bit here that it's, you know, quote unquote Soros, I'm not even sure who that is anymore, but the Soros
Starting point is 02:48:10 organization has been getting all kinds of waivers from the FCC to buy Odyssey. You know, Odyssey is probably next to I Heart, one of the biggest radio conglomerates and they got everybody on there like, you know, Kennedy and Mark Levin and all these guys. And so everyone's like, oh, Soros is, he's going to take, oh, he's going to brew, he's going to get rid of, of conservative voices. Have you not been following that? No, I have not even heard any of this until right now.
Starting point is 02:48:45 Oh yeah. No, it's here. FCC waivers boost Soros bid to further silence the right with Odyssey takeover. And so Odyssey has, they were already shareholder. The Odyssey filed for bankruptcy. So they put $400 million in the Soros organization. Weekly, the network reaches 165 million listeners, conservative hosts, including Sean Hannity, Dana Loesch, Lesh, Lesh, Lesh, Loesch, Lesh, Mark Levin,
Starting point is 02:49:19 Loesch, Glenn Beck, and Eric Erickson. And so the thinking here is that he's going to take them all off the air and put on some lefties. And I'm like, do you have any idea that radio is dead? That median age of the radio listener is 75. This is over. No, podcasting is the future with these guys from Ireland. That's the future. The future is grim, however you look at it.
Starting point is 02:50:07 All right, we're going to thank everyone who came in. It's a short list. Everyone who came in, $50 and above. And again, we appreciate everybody who supports the show. If everybody supported us with just a couple dollars a month, it would be perfect. But that's- And there'd be no sad puppies. Yeah. But next, we're clubbing a baby seal.
Starting point is 02:50:23 John, take us through to the 50s. All right, let's do that. We're starting with Rose Richardson in Tucson, Arizona, 15797. I'm from Oracle, Utah, and I'm still jab free. There you go. Anyway, she, it's a very complimentary little note from Rose. Anonymous in Columbus, Ohio, 132. Neil Delorey in Anderson, Indiana, 111.11. Once a ten-year listener. Yeah, once a de-douching ten-year listener. About time.
Starting point is 02:50:56 You've been de-douched. Thank you, we appreciate it, we appreciate it. Ian Field in 100. Brian Lillard in Prosper, Prosper, Texas, 8888. Nicholas Uh Oman in Dilworth, Minnesota, 8195. He needs some health and travel karma. We'll give you that at the end as we get to Kevin McLaughlin,
Starting point is 02:51:21 the Archduke of Luna, 8008. Oob. Kevin McLaughlin, Archduke of Luna, 8008, OOB, Sir Tooth Fairy in Valparaiso, Indiana, 8008, needs another, he also needs travel karma. Okay, all right. Wayne Cox in Yeoville, Great Yeoville, Yeoville UK, 6969, Yeoville. Zachary Sch Shandel in Minneapolis, Minnesota. That's a switcheroo. He needs to be credited, $63 credited to Munger out of Wyckoff to go hit him in the mouth. He needs a deducing. You've been deduced. Roe in Cumming, Georgia, 6190. Matthew Elwart in Weatherford, Texas, 6006 small boob.
Starting point is 02:52:15 Airlineman of the Net in Anna, Illinois, 5510. Jacob Murfield in Fitchburg, Wisconsin, 5272. Jacob Beggs in Petaluma, 5272. Baron Henry in Ranchos Palos Verdes, 5242. Those are $50 donations that have been kindly added and it's funny that it's not always the same. Sir Richie Rich, 5050,-50, which means you're nuts, and he's on the birthday list. Sir Bob and coming, another one, coming Georgia, we had Roe,
Starting point is 02:52:53 and now Sir Bob. 50-69. Forrest Martin, parts unknown, 50-05, and Andrew Benson, Imperial Missouri 50-05. Now we have the 50, pure $50 donors, and there's not that many, starting with Nicholas Rudowich in Harper's Ferry, Michael Sokora in New Richmond, Wisconsin, James Farrell in Haverhill, Massachusetts. There they are, Gaucho Woodworking. Look them up on the internet.
Starting point is 02:53:24 They make all kinds of stuff. They make cutting boards that are dynamite. Redondo Beach, California, they should send me one. Alexa Delgado in Aptos, California. Last on the list is Michael Statham. And that's our group of supporters for shows 1671, shortlist though it may be. We want to thank each and every one of them. And also again thanks to our executive and associate executive producers for episode 1671 relationship karma nothing says that like a goat. You've got karma. NoagendaDonations.com is where you can go to become a Noagenda producer. producer. Well, it's all pretty short and sweet today. Mary Ann Schneeberger says happy birthday to Jim, her hubby, Jim.
Starting point is 02:54:13 He celebrated yesterday, Sir Christopher wishes his wife Kim a very happy one. She is celebrating today and Sir Richie Rich will celebrate his birthday on June 25th. And we say happy birthday to everybody here from everybody here at the best podcast in the universe And we can go straight into the meetups because that's it We have no No nights, no dames. No title changes We do have one meter per port from the Fort Worth post summer solstice shindig meetup from sir Rotoyne he says not set up for recording yet So it just written seven pretty in the sentinize picture seven producers showed up for an excellent afternoon of sanity restoration
Starting point is 02:55:00 Meetup moved into a smoke-filled back room where the conversation continued well into the evening. Ragging on the libertarian party and tips on raising chickens were among the topics discussed. Connections were made, protection secured. Perfect. You can go to a meetup today if you're in the Netherlands. You're probably there already. Gitmo Lowland's Happywood near the KUT, kicked off hours ago, might still be going on in Tilburg, Sir Hendrick organizing that. The South Florida Margarita Meetup underway now at Lenora's Alton and Palm Beach Gardens, Florida. The Indy NA Proud Tribal Meetup, 3 o'clock, it's underway as we speak at Blind Owl Brewery,
Starting point is 02:55:41 Indianapolis, Indiana. Mark and Maria, I hope you guys are having a good time and listening to the show. The Kansas City, some like it hot edition meetup, 333 underway today at Variety KC Playground at Wyandotte County Park in Bonner Springs, Kansas. The International Scandinavian Finland Summit should be wrapping up now in Helsinki,
Starting point is 02:56:03 Stones in Helsinki, Finland. Very curious if we'll get a meetup report from there. And on Tuesday, the Backyard Social in Clovis, California at the Backyard Social Club. And let's see what else do we have on the list. June 28th, Houston, Texas on the 29th, North Jersey, Rhode Island, Westland, Oregon, Dallas, Texas, Los Angeles, Dayton, Ohio,
Starting point is 02:56:23 the 30th Longview, Texas, July 5th, Fremantle, Western Australia, the 6th, Amsterdam, North Holland in the Netherlands, McKinney, Texas on the 12th, Garden City, Idaho, the 13th, the 14th, Rabbit Hash, Kentucky, and Keene, New Hampshire on the 20th, Lansing, Michigan, Santa Rosa, California, San Diego, California, the 21st Palm Beach Gardens, Florida, on the 27th, Ironton, Minnesota, the 28th, Trinidad and Tobago, please send a report from there, in the 28th, Amsterdam, again, August, we're going to with it, August, Keyport, New Jersey on the 11th, and Albany, California, John, your backyard on the 17th. These are the No Agenda Meetups.
Starting point is 02:57:02 You can find them at noagendameetups.com. They are producer organized. It is a great place to make friends. Everybody has something in common. There's never been a fight at any meetup ever. People love getting together because connection is protection. NoAgendaMeetups.com. Go there, find one or start one. Sometimes you wanna go hang out with all the nights and days. You wanna be where you want be. Trick it or he'll blame. You wanna be where everybody feels the same.
Starting point is 02:57:38 It's like a party. Like a party! Alright. You got any ISOs I do I have two okay What you got? I got cannot I cannot do it again Okay And then I got Trump saying not too good. That's not too good I have let me see. I think I'm over-ISO'd actually.
Starting point is 02:58:08 Um, here's Arnold. It was boring. Yeah? No. Or? I hated every minute of it. Come on. Well, that's a good one.
Starting point is 02:58:17 That's pretty good. Um, uh, I also have, uh, how did this get in here? Oh, you gotta give him that huck, and spit on that thing. I don't know how this get in here? I don't know how that got in there that shouldn't be there That by the way is the woman who's bringing America back together. There's this one And this one yes, that's right, that's true Yeah this one. Yes, that's right. That's true. Yeah. Well, I don't like to use negative ones, but from Schwarzenegger, I like the, I hated every minute of it. I hated every minute of it. That's kind of good. It's clear, it's crisp. I think we should use it. You know, we have our mixed feelings about that guy.
Starting point is 02:59:00 For your consideration, the tip of the day. That's right, everybody. It's time once again for the tip of the day. John C. Dvorak, what do you have in store for us? So, you know, one of the things about the show is I'm uncomfortable with. Oh. Is there a ragging on vaccines, on backs on the COVID shot the MRNA? You're uncomfortable with that? I'm uncomfortable knowing that at least half of our audience has taken this shot.
Starting point is 02:59:34 Okay, fair enough. So I have, so Peter McCullough has a protocol for ridding yourself of the after effects of the shot. Yes. That we've kind of discussed, but we've never fully discussed. So I decided just to link to it. And my tip is for people who had the shot
Starting point is 02:59:51 to go look at the protocol and see what it is, and read about it, and it's easy to get to. It's on the web, you can type this in to check to make sure it works. Tinyurl.com. We all know that tiny URL.com slash no dash agenda. No hyphen agenda. Oh, excellent. No, you did some work that you produce something. That's good.
Starting point is 03:00:17 I pray. Yes, I did. Nice. And so go there and read that. And then if you, you know, this is where I think, I think it's a, I think the protocol sounds possible. It sounds like a winner. McCullough is the one who developed it. And I think it might be something people should be aware of.
Starting point is 03:00:37 I like this idea. And so it's tiny URL, what no tiny, what is it again? Tinyurl.com Slash no agenda. No dash agenda. It's no- No dash agenda. Okay.
Starting point is 03:00:51 Yeah, I get it. Regular no agenda doesn't work. I like that because I know people here in town who were forced to take the Vax and they have done this protocol. There's several functional medicine doctors here in town who are administer done this protocol. There's several functional medicine doctors here in town who are administering this protocol. And from what I hear, with great success. Whatever that means, people are doing it,
Starting point is 03:01:12 and I think that's a great idea. And it's all, it's public domain products. It's not like you have to go get a prescription. And I've also heard people are just taking ivermectin, just on a regular basis. Yeah, I've also heard people are just taking ivermectin just on a regular basis. Yeah, I've heard that too. But I think this, Bacala and this protocol, I think is probably better. Yeah.
Starting point is 03:01:33 Unless you have worms, then you'll do ivermectin and do the trick. Beautiful. Beautiful. At the end tip of the day. Beautiful, beautiful. At the end of another broadcast day, not on Odyssey. Nope, we can't be taken over by Soros, but we will club a baby seal if you don't support us. Film at 11. We have end of show mixes from Judd Hawley, Professor J. Jones and David Kecta coming up for you.
Starting point is 03:02:10 And if you want to stay tuned to TrollRoom.io, NoAgenda.Stream. Coming up next we have the Millennial Media Offensive. This is episode 125. You definitely want to check these kids out because they are millennials and they're doing media offensive. And they're value for value, so why not? Coming to you from the heart of the Texas Hill Country,
Starting point is 03:02:35 right here in Fredericksburg, Texas. In the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley, where it's kind of chilly, I'm John C. Dvorak. We return on Thursday, debate night. Of course it's a show day. They know what they're doing over there in political land in D.C.
Starting point is 03:02:52 Jake Tapper's gonna save the day. We'll get you ready for it. Remember us at knowagenthodonations.com until Thursday. Adios, mo foes, a hooey hooey, and such. Of course they passed out the memo to their, as you pointed out, their stooges. I think there is so much misinformation, disinformation, as we've been talking about. The president wandering.
Starting point is 03:03:22 Feaks, videos of real events. These videos are effective because they are. They're called Cheap Fakes for a reason. The President Wandering. Colleen Jean-Pierre and others are calling these Cheap Fakes. Cheap Fakes. We were hearing about some called Cheap Fakes.
Starting point is 03:03:39 The President Wandering. We've been calling it Cheap Fakes. Literally describing what CBS News has been doing for years. Where was the edit? The president wandering. This is so misleading. It's shameful. So for cheap fake videos, however, we have seen particularly in last few months,
Starting point is 03:04:01 the videos targeting Biden are getting a lot more traction online. He just turns around and starts wandering off. He's alarming. He's so aggressive. He's alarming. But what about Biden? Do you believe he is fit to lead us? No, that's a really good question. Oh, absolutely.
Starting point is 03:04:19 People have been watching. They express concerns about your mental impunity. They say that you are too old. Come on, man. We want to go with the evidence and the truth. The very public and obvious cognitive decline of the US president. The president is seen walking away.
Starting point is 03:04:38 And there is not one thing funny about it. Oh, absolutely. I know it because I know what mental illness looks like. No, I'm serious. There is no shame in being unwell. Come on, man. Jill, Dr. Jill Biden, where are you? What mental illness looks like?
Starting point is 03:04:58 I watched a man completely void of all awareness. That is your judgment. Aimlessly wandering away. Oh absolutely. What mental illness looks like. We've entered a new era. No I'm serious.
Starting point is 03:05:13 There is no way in hell Joe Biden is running America. That is your judgment. We want to go with the evidence and the truth. The blame for this tragedy lies squarely on the people around him. But what about Biden? Do you believe he is fit to lead us? No, I'm serious. What mental illness looks like? Aimlessly wandering away.
Starting point is 03:05:33 The very public and obvious cognitive decline of the US president. That is your judgement. There is no shame in being unwell. The president is seen walking away. No, I'm serious. I know it because I know what mental illness looks like. Come on, man. Jill, Dr. Jill Biden, where are you?
Starting point is 03:05:57 That's a really great question. No, I'm serious. What mental illness looks like? And there is not one thing funny about it. Oh, absolutely. Come on, man. I know it because I know what mental illness looks like. No, no, no, no.
Starting point is 03:06:14 No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no. Let's not be fooled. Joe is one of the most effective presidents of our lives in spite of his age. But because of it.
Starting point is 03:06:32 Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. Oh baby, I love this good title. I love this whole topic. You all have called this the cheap fakes video. That's exactly what they are, your cheap fakes video. I love this part, John, because this is the memo they sent out earlier, obviously. Okay, done in bad shape. The fact checkers have repeatedly caught them pushing this information, this information.
Starting point is 03:07:03 I have so deeply to be here. Really manipulating what was being said and what was being seen. Gaslighting, gaslighting, gaslighting. The public keeps seeing the video. And that's exactly what they are. The best podcast in the universe. Devorak.org. I hated every minute of it.

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