No Agenda - 1702 - "Sloppin' Hopper"

Starting point is 00:00:00 It's just blah blah blah blah blah. We're here in FEMA Region Number Six. In the morning, everybody. I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley, where we advise you to stop using the word triage. I'm John C. DeVoy. I think we should use that all the time during our show. We're triaging all the clips we got, triaging all the boots on the ground so we can make sure we get all the right stuff out there. Triaging. I kind of like it. Yeah, so I was watching one of the Fox shows, the Fox

Starting point is 00:00:55 Fox morning chatterboxes, they like to say triage for everything. The Fox chatterbox. There you go. That's a good one. The Fox chatterbox. Yeah, the triage. So it seems to me like, okay, it sucks, but I think the the weather people kind of got it all wrong. Wasn't everyone supposed to be dead and destroyed and everything swept away and the storm surge drowned everybody? Yet they forgot to predict the tornadoes. 126 of them to be exact. Where was that prediction? I didn't hear anyone say it. It matters not they can predict the climate, but they can't predict this.

Starting point is 00:01:35 It happens the next day. Yeah, of course we are. By the way, I want to say that Santas, say that Santos, DeSantis. DeSantis. DeSantis. DeSantis. I was watching his entire press conference. This guy really is a good governor. Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 00:01:53 He just seems to be on top of everything. He's got the facts in front of him. He goes on and on and on. He's got all kinds of details. He's smart enough to do stuff in advance. And the thing that impressed me most was a couple of days ago when he says, we're closing all the toll booths on all this expressway so people can get out of there without having

Starting point is 00:02:11 to stop and pay five bucks to get through. Yeah, that makes sense. He said just one thing after another. If it wasn't for that whiny voice of his. Well, and even though he's not wearing the white boots, you still can't get that out of your head. You still see him with the white boots.

Starting point is 00:02:27 It's hard to visualize him without those. The competency is just not, there's a combination of things, but he's definitely a governor you'd like to have as a governor. Yes. But every, I mean, we have lots of friends and lots of, of course, there's lots of producers in Florida and the reporting was just freaking everybody out. Of course, it's not great.

Starting point is 00:02:49 There's no doubt. No doubt there's a problem, but it's not at all the destruction that we were sold. I feel gypped. The tornadoes, that's the thing that got me though. Not a single mention of that. These were not like little tornadoes. These were big twisters just appeared out of nowhere. They were blowing up stuff left and right.

Starting point is 00:03:11 Yeah. And the funny, there was mention that, you know, in Florida where they do have tornadoes on occasion, especially with accompanying some hurricanes, you can't build tornado shelters because the water table is so high. No, you can't. It's like the water table is right under the house. So of course, we hope everyone's OK and that the damage isn't too bad.

Starting point is 00:03:36 We won't know really for a little bit, but they had no good reports. They didn't have anyone blown over from the wind. The wind didn't even seem, I mean, you know, I've been doing a little, oh man. By the way, Cooper. Pooper? Yeah, Pooper.

Starting point is 00:03:56 He was on CNN, he got hit by debris. Oh no. Yeah, it was a piece of styrofoam hit him and it was like a little disaster. Oh! So I don't want to make light of it Yeah, it was a piece of styrofoam hit him. It was like a little disaster. So I don't want to make light of it because you know if your if your house is flooded it sucks. Yeah or even gone. If it's gone that's what seemed the wind damage seemed to be pretty minimal. Well I don't think so. The wind damage was all the damage.

Starting point is 00:04:23 Well here's the one that made me kind of smile. And take a look at this video just into the newsroom from Tropicana Field in St. Petersburg, where the stadium's rooftop has literally been torn apart by the winds from Hurricane Milton. You may remember Tropicana Field was transformed into a shelter for first responders ahead of the big storm. So it's a stadium with a vinyl roof where a team plays that no one cares about. But that was the news.

Starting point is 00:04:54 That, that was a very flimsy roof. It looked just like vinyl. It was. Yeah. So, okay. It's just a coated roof. It was just a, it wasn't really, it was more of a balloon roof. Yeah. So, okay. It was just a coated roof. It wasn't really a, it was more of a balloon roof. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:05:08 So, and of course the... I will say by the way, I will say the sound really does stink. What do you mean? What you're hearing from me? Yeah. It stinks. It's not like it's, I don't know what the chat room thinks, but it's not like it, I can't understand you. It's just like a lousy't know what the chat room thinks but it's not like it I can't understand you

Starting point is 00:05:25 It's just like a lousy phone connection. Oh, that's interesting. No, it sounds good for everyone there Let me see. Is there a Let me see. Well, I want to make sure speech optimized. We don't want that. We want music optimized. Hold on a second Let me see if that'll break every musical tones Yes for my musical stylings John for my musical styling styling Let me see if that'll break every... For your musical tones? Yeah. Yes. For my musical stylings, John. For my musical stylings. Styling.

Starting point is 00:05:49 I'm sorry. I blew it. Maybe that's better. I don't know. But it's... That's what you're hearing is not what's recording. So of course, I can't get away from...

Starting point is 00:06:01 They modified the weather. They seeded the clouds. They steered it that way. The Santa's had a good commentary on this too. I wish I had clipped it. It came in late. It was this morning. He said, he said, this is, he basically said, he says, both, he did a good job of balancing

Starting point is 00:06:21 it because he condemned the idea that they're changing the weather because it's hurricane season. He said, this happens all the time. The worst hurricane he points out was in the famous Labor Day hurricane of the 1930s, which was worse than anything. And he says, this is hurricane season, this is hurricane weather, and you get these hurricanes. But it's not just the right, not mentioning Marjorie Taylor Green, he says it's also the left who blames everything on fossil fuels. So he did a really good balancing act. This guy is a very talented governor. Well, there was a, so I have a couple of clips

Starting point is 00:07:00 because it was worth playing since Biden, they rolled Biden out. This may have been the real Biden. You can't tell when he's, if he's not standing up, it's, it's hard to see. If I can't see the back of his head, I don't know if it's Biden or daddy long legs, but he came out and slurred something about the onslaught of lies. There's simply no place for this to happen. Former president Trump has led the onslaught of lies. this to happen. Former President Trump has led the onslaught of lies. Assessions have been made that property is being confiscated.

Starting point is 00:07:28 That's simply not true. They're saying people impacted by these storms will receive $750 in cash and no more. That's simply not true. They're saying the money is needed for this crisis is being diverted to migrants. What a ridiculous thing to say, it's not true. Now the claims are getting even more bizarre. Congressman Marjorie Taylor Greene, a congresswoman from Georgia,

Starting point is 00:07:54 is now saying the federal government is literally controlling the weather. We're controlling the weather. It's beyond ridiculous. It's gotta stop. Moments like this, there are no red or blue states. There's one United States of America where neighbors are helping neighbors.

Starting point is 00:08:11 Volunteers and first responders are risking everything, including their own lives, to help their fellow Americans. There's got to be a shift. So that was a very, that was real stately there, Joe. And MSNBC really ran with this ball and thank goodness we're connecting this to climate change. I mean it took, they didn't do it. I've got clips. They didn't do it during Helene but oh no. They did it big time on this one. Yeah so I'm going to just start with a few and then I'll do a few Chris Hayes

Starting point is 00:08:42 clips because man he was hot over there on MSNBC. Hurricane Helene. I thought you were gonna say thank God for MSNBC because nobody listens to it. Well no I mean they need us they need us to get any listenership and here you go. Hurricane Helene just showed us how this phenomenon is wreaking havoc even in areas previously thought to be safe from these kinds of storms. Tucked away deep in the Blue Ridge Mountains, Asheville, North Carolina was considered a little slice of paradise. Some called it a climate haven, suggesting it was immune to extreme weather. Now I don't know where MSNBC got this idea from. What? Because there was a huge, there was an equally large storm in 1916.

Starting point is 00:09:30 There was one as recent as 2014. What? So, but then they have this like this footage of birds chirping and oh, it's a haven. We're safe here, huh? But last week that paradise turned out to be an illusion. Oh my God. Oh. Battering the area for days.

Starting point is 00:09:49 Hold on. Stop a second. Stop, stop. The idea, you know, this is an interesting form of reporting where you create a false scenario. Yeah. And then you report on it. For you, so you create, it's a classic.

Starting point is 00:10:04 What these guys do. They should be ashamed of themselves at NBC News. No, I think they're doing a great job. They're doing exactly what they're paid to do, to promote climate change and at the same time discredit Trump and anyone else who's in his camp. Ripping apart homes, washing out roads, toppling trees and cutting off entire towns. New research in his camp. Strong evidence Helene strengthened by human-made climate change. So it just strengthened it.

Starting point is 00:10:42 It's a multiplier, a force multiplier. The term is rapid intensification. We'll get to that. Human-driven climate change strengthened Helene's destructive power. One study saying it made the storms rainfall up to 20% heavier. 20.

Starting point is 00:10:59 And its winds 7% stronger. 7. We're seeing these events that are boosted by climate change, stronger, wetter, lasting longer. Seven. Seven. Seven. Seven. Seven. Seven. Seven. Seven. Seven.

Starting point is 00:11:09 Seven. Seven. Seven. Seven. Seven. Seven. Seven. Seven.

Starting point is 00:11:17 Seven. Seven. Seven. Seven. Seven. Seven. Seven. Seven. Seven. Seven. Seven. Seven. Contreman clip here. So it's stronger. It's wetter. PBS had this to say about last year.

Starting point is 00:11:26 And 2023 was the driest year for the world's rivers in more than three decades. I mean, make up your mind. Is it going to be wetter or is it going to be drier? I mean, they can't seem to figure out what it's going to be. Unfortunately, there's no coordinated messaging. No central command. There's no... Exactly. If they command. There's no, exactly. If they set that up, we wouldn't have these issues. Curry DeVorek Consulting Group, we're available.

Starting point is 00:11:52 We're available, we're available. All right, so let's just face the fact climate change is responsible for everything. Storms like Helene and what we expect to come from Milton are exactly, precisely what experts have been screaming about for decades now. As John Morales said to Nicole Wallace, it is why he got so emotional over last night's forecast. When I saw 50 millibars in 10 hours I just broke down with a mixture of empathy, angst over these increasing

Starting point is 00:12:20 extreme weather events and also frustration because for over 20 years I've been trying to communicate on what would be coming if we did not check the injection of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere and well here we are and it's not going to get any better. This guy was crying on the air. This is funny you have that clip from Chris Hayes because in my little series of hurricane clips, it's included exactly this, well, not exactly, but pretty much the same clip only he's crying more from NPR. The same guy?

Starting point is 00:12:59 This is the coordinated effort. Do you know which clip that is? Can we play that real quick? I'd rather play the whole series. Okay. All right. All right. I'll get through this.

Starting point is 00:13:09 So we are now preparing for the second major climate change fueled hurricane in two weeks, which could put a dangerous strain on federal resources. Climate fueled. New York Times reports the Federal Emergency Management Agency is running out of staff to deal with the potential devastation of Hurricane Milton. As of Monday morning, just 9% of FEMA's personnel were available to respond to the hurricane or other disasters. Now, while FEMA says it is well equipped to handle the strains, it is a reminder the challenge

Starting point is 00:13:34 of more frequent natural disasters. The Times, knowing that FEMA is all... What did he say? He said 9% responded to the... to one of the, was it Helene? Yes. Well, I thought they were like all hands on deck. Yeah, but the rest is at the border, helping people at the border, getting them into hotels. As of Monday morning, just 9% of FEMA's personnel were available to respond.

Starting point is 00:14:00 Oh, that was available. Where's 90%? Where are the other 91 91% that must be in West and then thousands and thousands of people well, I hope they're in Western, North Carolina But they should have figured out anyway, let's just continue the hurricane or other disasters Now while FEMA says it is well equipped to handle the strains It is reminder the challenge of more frequent natural disasters And as a reminder, the challenge of more frequent natural disasters. The Times noting that FEMA is also responding to flooding and land signs in Vermont, tornadoes in Kansas, the aftermath of Tropical Storm Debbie in New York and Georgia, and the watch

Starting point is 00:14:32 fire in Arizona. And those are just disasters that were declared in the past two weeks. Okay. So now Chris gets... Wait, I want to point out, I want you to remember that he said more frequent. Yeah, more frequent. Because in my series of clips, I got a little contradiction in here.

Starting point is 00:14:47 Good, good. So now Chris Hayes gets into some math, which is just astounding. I'm not a climate scientist, nor is he. Remember, what I'm telling you right now, what we're looking at right now in the last week, what we're preparing for with Milton, this is what we are now facing

Starting point is 00:15:06 with global average temperatures a little over one degree Celsius higher than the pre-industrial average. Okay, one. That's one percent. Imagine what it will look like when we reach two degrees, twice as bad. Oh, so if it's two degrees, then it'll be twice as bad.

Starting point is 00:15:20 Or three, or four. That is the world. It'll be four times as bad if it's four. Wait, wait. So let's see, it goes from, let's say, one degree higher, which would be a percent, what, a 0.5%, some small percentage, but somehow it's gonna be twice as bad?

Starting point is 00:15:36 It's gonna double. And if it's three degrees. How does that work? Exactly, exactly. It's fake news. Or three or four. Oh, horrible. That is the world. Donald Trump would push us towards faster.

Starting point is 00:15:48 If he were to return the world. Not that he cares. He thinks it would be good for real estate values. When I hear these people talking about global warming, that's the global warming you have to worry about. Not that the ocean is going to rise in 400 years an eighth of an inch. And you'll have more seafront property, right, happens. I said is that good or bad? I said isn't that a good thing? If I have a little property on the ocean I have a little bit more property I have a little bit more ocean. Okay every time I play this clip we just got to stop for one second think about that for give it 10 seconds of your

Starting point is 00:16:20 brainpower. If the oceans rise do you have more beachfront property? Does that make sense? If the oceans rise, do you have more beachfront or you have less? He said more ocean. Anyway, so at least we know it's all Donald Trump's fault. Yes, Donald Trump's fault. And I will play this last clip and then we'll play your clips and then I'll come back to some of the conspiracy theories. This has got to be my favorite. Now we've known for decades our planet is warming, that we would start seeing the brutal effects, but conservatives remain so deep in their denial, they're flailing around for anyone or anything else to blame.

Starting point is 00:16:55 Republican congressman Marjorie Taylor Greene, who is now like a big mover and shaker in the Republican party, is promoting a bizarre conspiracy theory about a mysterious they, you can imagine who that is. So on the screen they have her tweet which says, yes, they can control the weather. Always remember that. So that's what she said. And I think we can prove that that is probably true, not that this was the case, but that's the tweet. Controlling the weather, suggesting that they are sending hurricanes to Republican areas to impact the election. Like someone is sitting at some computer somewhere, pressing hurricane. And it's not just her, she's now being amplified by right-wing media and the Republican nominee

Starting point is 00:17:37 himself. Chris, Chris, decaf. Has the government figured out how to build a storm into a super storm that will destroy everything that's past and then how to aim it right. Now he's just playing some rando guys from, I don't know, YouTube or whatever who were just talking crap. But when they want to aim it, it just happens to miss South Florida. While the Democrats live, something strange is going on. These are Trump counties.

Starting point is 00:18:03 Why don't we hire some actors to do stuff like this? This is great. This is great. Craps list. Something strange is going on. These are Trump counties. And don't tell me for a second, don't tell me for a second that what we're not seeing is a massive government-pushed voter

Starting point is 00:18:19 suppression operation. There it is. You know, it's largely a Republican area. Some people say they did it for that reason I don't even think they're that bad, but they probably may random random clip random clip Making it sound like Trump is talking about some weather modification, which he's not maybe they are Hey, hey, they're sending the storms. They are sending the storms

Starting point is 00:18:42 Donald Trump's running major events found a way to get in on it too, blaming it on immigrants. You have FEMA, which is there for disaster relief for American citizens after a terrible storm, being deployed repeatedly to deal with Kamala Harris's wide open border and the migrant invasion that it's caused. That lack of focus on their core mission, that distraction, and focusing instead on illegal immigrants, I guarantee that it has made the disaster response worse. All right. So I want to come back to those conspiracy theories. Wait, wait. Did he, was that played on his show? That was Vance. That last part of the clip?

Starting point is 00:19:16 Yeah, yeah. He played that. That's dumb. I'm saying that because he's trying to build a case and then he throws something out there which actually is reasonable. And if I'm listening to this, oh, that's interesting. I mean, these guys don't even know how to do this right. All right. So I want to come back to the weather modification and conspiracy theories, but first let's get into your clips before we drift too far. Yeah, let's get these out of the way.

Starting point is 00:19:43 This is a series that's on NPR. This is part of a long presentation on hurricane overview, and it brings in everything we need. It starts with Hurricane Overview NOAA. The damage Hurricane Milton could cause is chilling, but maybe it shouldn't be surprising. This season is looking to be an extraordinary one in a number of ways. That was Rick Spinrad, head of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration last May rolling out the federal agency's annual hurricane outlook. NOAA is predicting an above average 2024 Atlantic hurricane season.

Starting point is 00:20:19 Of note, the forecast for name storms,, and major hurricanes is the highest NOAA has ever issued for the May outlook. One big reason for that record-breaking hurricane forecast? Record-breaking hot water temperatures in the Atlantic Ocean and the Gulf of Mexico. Now, the number of hurricanes this year has not yet broken records, but the intensity of some of the storms has been breathtaking. It's just an incredible, incredible, incredible hurricane.

Starting point is 00:20:50 Incredible, incredible, incredible. I didn't do that, by the way. Oh, really? That sounded like a Dvorak repeats sweetening. Nope. Oh, interesting. All right. He said that.

Starting point is 00:21:01 All right. So it goes on. This is like they're trying to build a case for, what do you think you're going to build a case for? And it comes up right away. I did early in the clippage that hot water in the Gulf allows storms to intensify at unbelievable speeds, as Hurricane Milton did on Monday afternoon. A fact that moved veteran Florida meteorologist John Morales nearly to tears. It has dropped 50 millibars in 10 hours. I apologize. This is just horrific.

Starting point is 00:21:35 Later in that same report, Morales cited those hot ocean temperatures and explained where they came from. You know what's driving that. I don't need to tell you global warming, climate change, leading to this and becoming an increasing threat. You know, it's interesting, you know, Tina lived in Florida for 15 years, lived through a number of hurricanes. And I said, was the millibar was the pressure ever an issue says I don't know anything about

Starting point is 00:22:01 that. No one ever talked about millibars. It's always been the wind speed. This seems to be a new metric they're pulling in. That's interesting. You're right. Cause I've noticed it before. Now I think what's interesting, also interesting, I have to overuse that word, but is this guy's in tears.

Starting point is 00:22:18 He's obviously an emotional wreck. Probably somebody shouldn't trust with any, with your children or guns or guns. Definitely no guns with that guy red flag yeah so you so he so this is the guy that goes right to climate change so he's an unstable person now he's going talking about climate change this is like okay I'm not gonna even I shouldn't even be listening to this guy if he can't objectively report on the news without crying about it. Well, he was doing his job. He's an actor. NPR climate editor, Rachel Waldholz, has been looking into how a warming planet contributes to these storms and what climate

Starting point is 00:22:57 change could mean for the future of catastrophic weather events. Hi, Rachel. Hi, Ari. First, Helene, now Milton. Are these two massive hurricanes in just about two weeks evidence that we are seeing more frequent storm activity than in the past? So actually, no. No, no, you better come up with something better than that. So that's why I wanted to mention call back to Chris Hayes saying they're more frequent. Yeah, he's full of crap. Yeah, he's totally full of crap.

Starting point is 00:23:26 Yeah, I mean, the numbers are there. Everyone can see the numbers. There's just been less of them, certainly this year. So let's go. Okay. So onward to four. We haven't seen an increase in the number of hurricanes hitting the US, but climate change is making many storms more intense.

Starting point is 00:23:43 So more powerful with way more rain, more dangerous storm surge, more flooding. And so while the total number of hurricanes isn't increasing, dangerous storms are becoming more common and that can definitely make it feel like we're getting more overall. So let's get to the climate change piece of this. We know that a warming planet includes warming oceans. Explain why warming oceans helped a storm like Milton explode into a category five as it moved across the Gulf before eventually weakening.

Starting point is 00:24:12 Yeah. Yes. Exploded before it actually got to landfall and it was a three by the time. It actually crapped out. Yeah, it did. It did. It did. It did. So, uh, so we have this, this narrative going on and it's like right in the middle of it, you have to do a call back to climate isn't weather. Yes, correct. They pounded it into us. Climate isn't weather.

Starting point is 00:24:41 Weather isn't climate, I think was the exact phrase. Either one. Yes. It's the same thing. But the point is, is that they'd always bring that out when it was freezing cold. We had this, you know, it was really cold. No, no, no, no. It's got nothing to do with it. But now there's a little disaster going on. Yeah, it's exact sale. This is what's causing it. Okay. So we, so they go on with a before the five,

Starting point is 00:25:05 they go on this, I put the word skip in there because I skipped over a whole long lecture about how the hot water boy pushes up into the hurricane and goes on and on and on about this. And so do we end up with this after, after listening to that for five minutes, we go to this. Okay. So warm oceans translate to stronger storms. But there's another element here, which is that climate change adds to sea level rise, which can create a bigger storm surge. Right? Explain that.

Starting point is 00:25:36 Oh, yeah. So climate change is driving rising sea levels. And some of the fastest rates of sea level rise in the world actually are along the Gulf Coast. So that's driven by melting ice on land like the Greenland ice sheet, but also as water gets warmer. Wait a minute. Wait, wait, wait. So the ice sheet is melting and therefore the water in the Gulf gets warmer? In the Gulf. In the Gulf gets warmer from the melting ice sheet. It goes up. Yeah, of course it does. That's driven by melting ice on land, like the Greenland ice sheet. No, but I think she said it got warmer.

Starting point is 00:26:10 Let me see. Driving rising sea levels. And some of the fastest rates of sea level rise in the world actually are along the Gulf Coast. Oh, I can't believe I'm not, how come I don't have beachfront property here in the heart of Texas? I should. So that's driven by melting ice on land, like the Greenland ice sheet, but also as water gets

Starting point is 00:26:29 warmer, it expands. So then when a storm like Milton comes along driving this huge wall of water in front of it and water levels are already higher than they used to be, that's a recipe for really catastrophic storm surge. And right now we're seeing predictions of 15 feet of storm surge in some places. I don't think it reached 15. Doesn't water expand when you freeze it? Yeah, yes. Doesn't it?

Starting point is 00:26:51 Yes. Why are you bringing logic to the show? I'm sorry. You know, so it turns out they've also, so not only have they added this new metric of barometric pressure, Millibars. Yes, in millibars, not inches, which is interesting. We do that in millibars. I think it's because it looks bigger in millibars, instead of saying 29.9.

Starting point is 00:27:19 So millibars, because then it's like, oh, it's 900 millibars because that's like, oh, it's 900 millibars. There seems to also have been an interesting reshuffling of the category with wind speeds. And I was unaware of this, but we do have the best producers in the universe. So a category one storm is wind speeds of 74 to 95 miles an hour. That's a 22 mile per hour range. That's a 22 mile per hour range. A category two storm, however, is 96 to 110 miles per hour. That's a 15 mile per hour range. Why?

Starting point is 00:27:54 Why? I don't understand why. Then we have category three, which we call a major storm, is 111. Stop asking questions. Exactly. Which is a 111 to 129 mile per hour. That's a 19 mile per hour range. And then category four, now this is the interesting, a category four is anywhere from 130 to 156. So now all of a sudden that's a 27 mile per hour range. So it seems like they're driving everything into at least a cat four and then a cat five is anything over 157. So this reminds

Starting point is 00:28:38 me a little bit of the changes they made to the Richter scale and became the momentum scale for earthquakes. Whatever it is now, we don't know. Whatever it is. So now we get into everybody spinning up and spinning out, including friends of mine, good friends of mine, like, oh, this was to disrupt the election, to which I say, okay, first of all, North Carolina, blue.

Starting point is 00:29:03 So that wasn't the intent. Oopsie. It's got a Democrat governor. It's a blue state. But then you do Florida, like, okay, so what are you really disrupting? We have an electoral college, so it's not going to make any difference. If you do it in Pennsylvania and Georgia. That's where you'd want to do it.

Starting point is 00:29:25 Yeah, that's the steer. Or Michigan. Steer it that way. Blow up Michigan. So I have to just spend a little bit on these theories of weather modification because there's, you can look at it several different ways. French 24 dove right into it.

Starting point is 00:29:41 More broadly, do we know, are there ways to try and mitigate the dangers of hurricanes? Well, actually, scientists have long searched for a way to at least attenuate or even prevent the formation of hurricanes or at least to try to change their track. It started after World War II with the project Cyrus that was financed by GE but also the US Army and what they did is that they projected dry ice straight into the hurricane, thinking that... By the way, it's very irritating, but in France they don't say hurricane, they say hurricane for some reason. Hurricane. It was going to modify the cloud envelope and change the structure of the hurricane,

Starting point is 00:30:17 and they did observe somewhat of some changes in the appearance of the hurricane, but they couldn't establish a very strong causal effect. So then there was another project that was a little bit more known called the Storm Fury Project. It lasted for 20 years. It was funded by the U.S. government. And here they did what we call cloud seeding. So here they dumped what we call silver iodide.

Starting point is 00:30:38 So these are salt crystals. And once again, thinking that it would modify the structure, increase the condensation and change the hurricane from within. And they used it on several hurricanes in the 60s, Esther, Bola, Debbie, Ginger. At first the results were encouraging but then they stopped once again because there wasn't a strong causal effect. They couldn't say that these silver crystals were really the reason why the hurricane had changed trajectory or intensity. And there's another idea as well, Julia. This was a really rather creepy one, and this is dropping an atomic bomb to blow out, in inverted commas, a newly formed hurricane. Tell us about this.

Starting point is 00:31:17 Well, exactly. Thank God they didn't use it, of course. This would have produced radioactive fallout in a big way and, of of course environmental issues, but they did consider it. Okay, so there's been lots of experiments. So it's no wonder that people discuss these things. And one of those experiments actually veered the hurricane off in a wrong direction. People got very angry at the government. Now it doesn't help that Lyndon Johnson, President Lyndon Johnson was quite jitty about the whole concept. Yeah, he who controls the weather will control the world. Yeah, he who controls the weather will control the world. That's a great clip to bring back. It's classic. It's a classic.

Starting point is 00:32:10 And you, you know, you listen to the commentators, nobody, what you're doing right now is, should have been done by every, by Fox, for example, who are more interested in using the word triage instead of prioritizing different stories. Triage. And it also doesn't help that CIA Director John O. Brennan also kind of alluded to this. As promising as it may be, moving forward on SAI... He's going to talk about stratospheric, what is it, SAI, stratospheric aerosol injection. As promising as it may be, moving forward on SAI would also raise a number of challenges for our government and for the international community.

Starting point is 00:32:52 On the technical side, greenhouse gas emission reductions would still have to accompany SAI to address other climate change effects, such as ocean acidification, because SAI alone would not remove greenhouse gases from the atmosphere. On the geopolitical side, the technology's potential to alter weather patterns and benefit certain regions of the world at the expense of other regions could trigger sharp opposition by some nations. Others might seize on SAI's benefits and back away from their commitment to carbon dioxide

Starting point is 00:33:25 reductions. And, as with other breakthrough technologies, global norms and standards are lacking to guide the deployment and implementation of SAI and other geoengineering initiatives. And I could go on and on and on and on about the things that fascinate me. Yeah, of course it fascinates him because weather modification, you can rule the world. So this is where these conspiracies come from. And we have a, we have a- And just to defend Marjorie Taylor Greene,

Starting point is 00:33:56 she didn't say anything wrong. She didn't. It was a very short tweet and I think she was spot on. It's inflammatory. It's what Marjorie Taylor Greene did. It's nutty. But that's what she on. It's inflammatory. It's what Marjorie Taylor Green did. It's nutty. But that's what she does. She's notorious. That's what she does. That's what she does. We have a knight who is very high up in, and he wants to remain anonymous, I have to say carefully, in one of the larger American

Starting point is 00:34:21 Weather Modification Associations. And so he has a lot of background. I checked him out. So I can't talk about him per se, but he says, look, look, he said, there is no evidence that there was any weather modification done in these two instances. I'm just gonna take him at his word. And that's-

Starting point is 00:34:47 I'm sure he's correct. Yes. And he checks out. And I can't believe that they don't have someone like him on Fox and Friends. No, instead we have to deal with insane things. And whenever I get an eight second clip, I'm like, wait a minute. And even just listening to this clip,

Starting point is 00:35:05 because it was only audio, I knew right away that this was not the director of FEMA. We plan to execute between 70 and 80,000. We plan to evacuate between 70 and 80,000 people. So first of all, I think the director of FEMA or the administrator is a woman. So first of all, I think the director of FEMA or the administrator is a woman. Yeah, I think so. This is a black guy. It's Lloyd Austin from 2021. And I remember this because- Did somebody sent you this clip?

Starting point is 00:35:32 Oh, it was, it's all over. You got the TikTok girls going like, whoa, is this the truth wanting to come out? Oh yeah. Anders exceeded all expectations. Yeah, that's Lloyd Austin. It's Austin. We plan to execute between 70 and 80 thousand people. So it's like oh okay please this is a very old clip and it goes around and people like they're gonna execute people.

Starting point is 00:35:59 The other one that really got me, yeah the one that really got me, the one that really got me. I think it's fabulous. Now this, people were getting mad at me about this because I have experienced. And if you're gonna get mad, they should get mad at you. Yes, oh, they never get mad at you. They shouldn't, I'm old. You need to exalt the older men. So this is a clip of North Carolina and it only had titles over it and it had this really

Starting point is 00:36:31 ominous music. I'll play it with a Black Hawk helicopter and it would say, oh, look at them, it's unmarked, they're coming over here, they're rotor washing us. And so I get emails from people, I learned a new term, rotor washing us! And so I get emails from people, I learned a new term, rotor washing. Look at what they're doing to us. They're rotor washing us. And I'm like, okay, it looks to me, just from a pilot perspective,

Starting point is 00:36:58 and I have a lot of hours, I have more hours on helicopter than fixed wing, including a Chinook, one hour, but okay, this was Chinook. And I say the Blackhawk is very powerful. Around 53 feet is when you're gonna start blowing stuff away on the ground. It looks to me like they're coming in to figure out where they can land and then they decide to take off.

Starting point is 00:37:20 And yeah, your tents are gonna fly away and your boxes are gonna move around on the ground. But if they were really rotor washing you, which I have done, I have rotor washed a sailboat in Holland. It was fun. The guys loved it. They were there on the lake and we came out. You did it on purpose? Yeah, yeah. But they wanted it because we were helping that we were giving them speed and they thought it was hilarious. So we were blowing their sail. And so I know you have to come down a lot, especially with that, you know, 53 feet is about where it was hilarious. So we were blowing their sails. And so I know you have to come down a lot,

Starting point is 00:37:45 especially with that, you know, you're 53 feet is about where it's at. And so now we get the story was North Carolina National Guard, they were looking, they actually thought they could land. And well, here's the story. The North Carolina National Guard is investigating an accident or an incident, I should say,

Starting point is 00:38:03 of one of its helicopters at a Helene donation center. A viewer shared this video of the chopper coming too close to a distribution site in Burnsville. The National Guard says this happened as a pilot tried to land and deliver generators. The National Guard says on approach the crew noticed that there were too many people, tents and supplies close to the landing supply so the helicopter took back off. They also admit they did not get clearance to land from local law enforcement. Safety is our number one paramount with our forces that we have on the ground.

Starting point is 00:38:32 And so we are again continuing to investigate that. We do have some communication with the landing sites and people that we are going to take the commodities to. It's matured over time. Initially we had no communication so we were just making a call and landing. But now the landing sites have been more mature and we do have communication with emergency personnel that are on the ground. Major General Todd Hunt said he is very sorry for the incidents. He says the crew is grounded

Starting point is 00:39:00 for now and they're working with the organization to identify how much damage the crew caused. So, of course, you know, this was not, I mean, the implication, this is because there's so little trust or maybe just massive distrust in our government at the moment that people jump to this conclusion that they're trying to purposely hurt them. I just don't think that was the case. And, but the, the programming was so strong when I even said, Hey, I don't think that's, I don't think this is their purposely rotor washing, because if you really purposely want to rotor wash, people would be flying around on the ground. You know, this, this was, they're trying to, they're trying to do reconnaissance.

Starting point is 00:39:44 Can we land here? They fly away. But people are so spun up because for sure the reliance on the government has been so built up, we talked about in the last show, so built up by people. The government's going to come and save me. And what's happening in Western North Carolina, it's horrible. I mean, we're not getting and of course that all of that news is going to be pushed to the back burner. We're only going to be talking about Florida right now. It's all minimal because oh god forbid we make anybody look good because You can't the government is not set up to be the knights in shining armor. They're not set up to save you They're not they talk a big game

Starting point is 00:40:26 Just like Kamala is gonna save you with I don't know building houses and they just talk The sooner we realize that that's not the way it is the better it is and we're just in this horrible I don't know 80 or a hundred year cycle. Well, you know, We had Sir Mark and Dame Astrid here Sunday night and Monday. Fantastic. We had a great time. And Sir Mark was telling us how he went to the Fukushima. Just check stuff out, did a little tour up there. And they went to this hilltop and there were three monuments and he says,

Starting point is 00:41:05 oh, is this the monument for Fukushima? And the Japanese guide there said, oh yeah, we do it for every time it happens. This happens every 100 years. So this is from 100 years ago. This is from 200 years ago. See, we don't hear all that, but Mother Earth wins every single time. So, you know, to throw in climate change and all of this nonsense, it's dishonest.

Starting point is 00:41:29 And it's just programming weak-minded brothers and sisters into believing it and going along with the program and eating bugs. And it makes everybody else crazy and mad because they're doing it to screw the elections. No, it's just life. Trump's fault. Yeah, it's true. Well, of course, it's all Trump's fault. The same by the way goes for the and Trump is out there. He's talking this thing up too, which is bullcrap.

Starting point is 00:42:04 This Kamala Harris 60 minutes interview, they edited it. They took out all the stupid stuff. Um, okay. Yeah. 60 minutes chopped down their interview to get it into, I don't know, 60 minutes. And yes, they chopped out all the fluff and the nonsense that she talks, but they had put that whole, but let's stop right there. That's what you do. Yes. That's what you do with an interview.

Starting point is 00:42:26 The whole thing is chopped. In fact, I was remit, I used to have a guy I knew, David Rensen, who used to write for Playboy. We were talking one day about how I met him because they were gonna do a piece of it involving me. And he's talked about the best interviews in the Playboy interviews are extremely edited because that otherwise you're gonna bore people stiff if you look at something like interview magazine when that was around they would

Starting point is 00:42:55 do Waldo that their interviews are were straight up and it was a lot of well the way I um um um see um yes I get it's like taking and doing a transcription of Elon Musk Who's gonna read this crap so when I of course you know everyone had the side-by-side It's about 15 seconds longer the unedited bit and we can certainly play it Yeah, but the point is it was CBS themselves who put the whole, the full question and answer out. It was on Face the Nation as a promo reel for the interview. Because when I saw this, like, well, where did this come from, this tape? Was it leaked?

Starting point is 00:43:35 Is there someone within CBS? Because that's the implication. Oh, we got the raw, unedited footage. That was crazy. They just put it out there. It was part of a promo for the whole 60 Minutes interview. And by the way, the whole thing is chopped up. You think that was...

Starting point is 00:43:52 You have to do that. That's what you do. This is an entertainment at some level. You don't bore people stiff with the real deal because no one's going to follow it. They're going to go nuts. Yes. She's a hopeless case. She's dumb. Yeah, she is. And if anything, now- She is a dumb person. You can see it in her eyes. I have a, actually have a background here because she went on this.

Starting point is 00:44:21 Yeah, here it is. France 24 again, but they had a good little summary of her media blitz. We asked ahead of time. With just four weeks to go, it's her last chance for voters to get to know her better. Cracking open a can of lager on Stephen Colbert's talk show, Vice President Harris continued her week-long high-profile media blitz. Over on Howard Stern's radio show, whose listenership skews white and male, she took a mix of more hard-line questions on policy, but also showed her personality.

Starting point is 00:44:48 Listen, I've been the first woman in almost every position I've had. Yeah. So I believe that men and women support women in leadership. And that's been my life experience. And that's why I'm running for president. In a bid to reach every demographic, this string of appearances has included non-traditional outlets like the Call Her Daddy podcast, a Gen Z and Millennial fan favorite which specifies biggest female listenership.

Starting point is 00:45:15 Unfortunately Kamala Harris doesn't have anything keeping her humble. How did that make you feel? I don't think she understands that there are a whole lot of women out here who, one, are not aspiring to be humble. However, critics have argued that Harris is still introducing herself this close to the election and accuse her of being unable to align herself from Joe Biden's administration. Would you have done something differently than President Biden during the past four years? There is not a thing that comes to mind in terms of, and I've been a part of most of the decisions that have had impact.

Starting point is 00:45:55 Harris eventually clarified that unlike Biden, she plans to put a Republican in her cabinet. With seven battleground states up for grabs and polls continuing to show a tight race, the interview burst is intended to hit a large portion of the media spectrum and dispel criticism about her infrequent engagement with the mainstream media. All right, so I've looked at all of it. I looked at the 60 minutes. I looked at the view. All of Call Her Daddy, boy, that was that was bored me to tears. It was I mean

Starting point is 00:46:25 No, it was terrible one blowjob question. It was so boring That's the thing that I mentioned in the newsletter and I just want to reiterate it. Yes Alexandra Cooper Alex Alex who split off from Sophia with an F Sophia Franklin because they used to be partners and then they split off from Sophia with an F, Sophia Franklin, because they used to be partners, and then they split off and Alexandra got a potload of money because she played her cards right. And I've listened to her podcast now and again, trying to get some clips from it, never been able to.

Starting point is 00:47:01 All she does is talk about blow jobs. She is preoccupied with blowjobs. Yes, yes, yes. And so it's like, and she'd go on and on and on about it with people that, I don't think a lot of people want to talk about it. And, but she talks about it and talks about, and so it, so she doesn't talk about it with Kamala, but as I mentioned in the newsletter, there's a very interesting irony here, because I don't think Kamala's people knew anything about this podcast.

Starting point is 00:47:28 They just knew it was big. It's second to Rogan at Spotify, supposedly. And so it's a monster podcast. It has a big audience. And that's all they knew. This is like media buyers. They don't know what they're doing. And so they put her on there and the irony of her being on a blow,

Starting point is 00:47:45 basically a blow job podcast did not elude a lot of people, including me. So here's my conclusion besides her word salad and saying nothing, which is, yeah, okay. If you gave me 10 women and put them in a lineup and said, okay, you're casting for president, she would be last. There is nothing about her at all that has anything presidential. She has dead eyes. She has when she talks, she frowns when she talks, which is very off-putting.

Starting point is 00:48:26 She has a bit of that vocal fry. A Berkeley wine. We choose our presidents like we choose our breakfast cereal. And this is not what Americans go for. I don't understand why the Republicans and conservatives in our country are so spun up about it. She's not going to be elected. Now can they cheat?

Starting point is 00:48:54 I even doubt that. You can't cheat enough. Yeah, too big to rig. She is really unappealing. Just unappealing. She is. She's unappealing, which is the whole reason why she had 1% when she was running for president. She had to drop

Starting point is 00:49:10 out. It was so embarrassing because no one likes her. She's unlikable. And I'm saying this from a television producer perspective. You can say it from any perspective you want. I think if you talk to a lot of women don't like her. I mean the only people that like her don't have never seen her do anything. They're just voting Democrat. Oh that's very possible. There's a huge number of people out there. Huge number.

Starting point is 00:49:38 Yes, but those are the ones who aren't hurting in the pocketbook. Well, some of them might be, but they just vote Democrat. There are people that vote Democrat, there are people that vote Republican, and there's a big range of people that actually take a look at, and they decide late. I do want to play just two clips from the 60 Minutes interview just to put some content to this segment where we just slag women off based upon their parents. That's what you did. I didn't do it. I was talking about the blow jobs. To this segment where we just slag women off based upon the parents That's what you did. I didn't do it

Starting point is 00:50:11 Blow job your guilty by Association Here she is and there's a lot of hey. Hey, hey, you know if you don't mind me, excuse me. I'm talking Let me finish that does not work. No, it's it's very it's not good at all. This is about the border. Was it a mistake to loosen the immigration policies as much as you did? It's a long-standing edit by the way. Edit. I can just you can tell where all the edits are. This thing was completely chopped up.

Starting point is 00:50:41 Not just this one bit. immigration policies as much as you did. It's a long-standing problem. And solutions are at hand. And from day one, literally, we have been offering solutions. What I was asking was, was it a mistake to kind of allow that flood to happen in the first place. The policies that we have been proposing are about fixing a problem, not promoting a problem. Okay?

Starting point is 00:51:11 But the numbers did quadruple under your watch. And the numbers today, because of what we have done, we have cut the flow of illegal immigration by half. We have cut the flow of fentanyl by half. We have cut the flow of fentanyl by half, but we need Congress to be able to act to actually fix the problem. Okay, so that's a very bad answer. Very bad answer and everybody knows it. And then the other one is about her flip-flopping on all of her policies. Let me tell you what your critics and the columnists say. The columnists, oh the columnists, oh, just pay attention. Let me tell you what your critics and the columnists say.

Starting point is 00:51:51 Now that you mention it, what's kind of what? The columnists. The columnists, oh I tell you, the columnists, oh lordy. Let me tell you what your critics and the columnists say. Okay. They say that the reason so many voters don't know you is that you have changed your position on so many things. You were against fracking, now you're for it.

Starting point is 00:52:14 You supported looser immigration policies, now you're tightening them up. You were for Medicare for all, now you're not. So many that people don't truly know what you believe or what you stand for, and I know you've heard that. In the last four years, I have been Vice President of the United States, and I have been traveling our country, and I have been listening to folks and seeking what is possible in terms of common ground. I believe in building consensus. We are a diverse people, geographically, regionally, in terms of where we are in our backgrounds.

Starting point is 00:52:52 And what the American people do want is that we have leaders who can build consensus, where we can figure out compromise and understand it's not a bad thing, as long as you don't compromise your values to find common sense solutions. And that has been my approach. There was a whole article in Atlantic Magazine because they're so mad. They're so mad about Kamala and Trump going on podcasts. And like, well, it's not real.

Starting point is 00:53:25 If you just want a softball personality, you have to face it mainstream media, face it M5M, podcasts are taken over. Go ahead and sit behind the paywall, see how you do. I have a good, just an interrupting clip here about podcasts that were sent over by Steve. And where is this thing? It actually kind of fits right into what you're saying. I'm looking. I'm looking. I'm looking too.

Starting point is 00:54:01 Oh, NPR, the candidates appear on podcasts. Yes. Okay. Vice President and candidate Kamala Harris have been stepping up media appearances lately. She's been getting criticism that she's not spending enough time in the public eye. Harris has done traditional shows like 60 Minutes and also hitting the podcast circuit. Last week she turned up on the podcast All the Smoke, hosted by former NBA champ Stephen Jackson and Matt Barnes.

Starting point is 00:54:24 As someone who's been the first in a lot of spaces you've been in, a woman of color knocking on the door to possibly be the next president, how do you protect your mental health and your mental space? Well, number one rule... John, how do you protect your mental space? My mental space? Yes, how do you protect your mental space? How do you protect your mental you protect your mental space? How do you protect your mental health

Starting point is 00:54:45 and your mental space? Well, number one rule, don't read the comments. They're nasty. Yeah, if you have a specific slice, Sarah, people that you want to reach, there is a podcast for that. That's for sure. There's a lot of them. But when you and I are doing interviews, I mean, we have journalistic principles that we follow. So do these podcasts follow any of that? Typically not. I mean, these are typically run by hosts who are influencers. Maybe they are former reality stars or former athletes. They are not people who typically

Starting point is 00:55:14 have journalistic training, although you'll see they prepare for interviews. Sometimes they'll reference sound bites. They'll try to make sure that this interview feels very authoritative. But at the end of the day, the same type of journalistic standards and scrutiny that you and I would pose on an interview don't exist here. And so the reason why I think you're going to have pressure to do both types of environments,

Starting point is 00:55:34 a formal sit down interview with a journalistic outlet like an NPR or in the case of last night 60 minutes, it's because voters want to know more about your actual platform, as opposed to if you're sitting down with a pod podcast or they're just getting to know a little bit more about you personally. Oh, it's pretty much the same thing in the Atlantic. It's the same thing. Oh, there's no journalistic integrity. They don't have producers and people looking for stuff and digging through and there's

Starting point is 00:56:00 no critical questions. What a crock. Totally. And I will say that- By the way, there's a lot of podcasts that have journalists involved with them. I would say this is one of them, but I don't like to brag about that,

Starting point is 00:56:17 but the whole New York Times podcast is just journalists yacking about stuff. Yes, but of course, the really successful ones where the money is, which we're not making with our integrity and our journal and our J school diplomas like Joe Rogan. And I have to say, I find it peculiar that neither candidate has been on Rogan. I know why Trump, at least I think I know why Trump hasn't been on, is because at least a while ago it was, you know, hey, you want to be on my show?

Starting point is 00:56:56 You got to come to my studio. And Trump only does them at Mar-a-Lago. So I understand that. There's a, that's a, I understand Joe's like, come to my studio. I think Kamala should go. In fact, it would be... She wouldn't go on that show in a million years. If she did, I think those bookers that booked her on the Call Her Daddy show are idiots.

Starting point is 00:57:18 I think they're smart enough to not put her on Rogan. I'd be stunned if she ever showed up on Rogan. I can predict though in the future election, we won't make it to the next one because we only have four more years. But in four more years, but the four more years could be perpetual. Oh, okay. Dream on. So in four more years, I can see where an actual debate would take place in a podcast. Just two candidates sitting down, arguing, yelling, getting into it. Getting into it. That's what people-

Starting point is 00:57:56 It's more likely that a lazy podcaster would let them go for it because you sit back. If you do enough radio or any of these- Free content. Yes. Because you sit back. I mean, if you do enough radio or any of these- Free content. Yeah, free content. You back off and you just let them go for it. Yelling at each other because you know people are going to tune in. And you don't need a moderator. There's no moderator.

Starting point is 00:58:15 Yeah, just have them yell at each other. Yes. Great. I would day pack them in. Yes. Just toss a question up. All right. Let's border crisis.

Starting point is 00:58:25 Go. That's all he needs to do. In fact, I'm happy to facilitate that. So let me play two podcast clips from an NPR podcast. So this is kind of meta where the NPR politics podcast is talking about Kamala on the call her daddy podcast. It's meta. And today on the show, a look at vice president Harris's media strategy. Harris is doing... Why do they not get the good mics in the good studio for NPR podcasts? What is this sound?

Starting point is 00:58:58 I thought this was just the bad sound that I'm getting all the time. It came through crummy. This is them. This is just how it sounds. It's bad. And today on the show, a look at Vice President Harris' media strategy. Harris is doing a whirlwind of three interviews today, which was the impetus for our podcast. You know, since she has become the Democratic nominee, she's done a mix of mainstream broadcast television interviews with places like CNN and CBS's 60 Minutes. And then she's also done untraditional interviews with podcasts to engage with folks who might not be traditional news consumers. You see, they are so irked. They are beside themselves because you know, Karma is not

Starting point is 00:59:40 going to go on the NPR politics podcast, which no one listens to but other podcasters. Aline, I want to start the conversation with you. What is the thinking behind the mix, the combination of interviews Harris has been doing? This is a very interesting strategy. This new kind of realm of podcasts going on social media, you know, that's kind of a clear hand out to younger voters. No, that's nothing to do with younger voters. I'll put you the average Rogan listener is older than you think.

Starting point is 01:00:12 To kind of get them involved in the places that they consume information. And, you know, regardless of where she's going, these are places with audiences of millions of people. Hold on a second. I just thought, I think they're equating podcast listeners with TikTok listeners or viewers because that is a younger demographic. I'm convinced of it. I don't see any evidence.

Starting point is 01:00:37 I'm not even sure of that. The people I see addicted to TikTok are my age. I'm not so sure about that. Well, okay. You got me there. It's. I'm not so sure about that. Well, okay, you got me there. It's possible I'm wrong. No, this is just what you're hearing in their voices.

Starting point is 01:00:50 This is bigotry, by the way. It's what you're... They're angry. They're angry. They're angry because, oh, well, they have the big audiences because they're just influencers, because they're just no good.

Starting point is 01:01:01 I mean, they're fighting a system that you always lose. Because yes, they have big audiences because they don't have a stick up their butt like you do with a crappy sound. You know, regardless of where she's going, these are places with audiences of millions of people. And she's going on these podcasts that are kind of more geared towards younger folks. She just went on on Sunday to Alex Cooper's show called Call Her Daddy, which is a show, mostly, I mean, entertainment podcast. It's one of the top shows in the country and it's about topics like sex and relationships.

Starting point is 01:01:37 And Harris kind of had this long conversation about different issues affecting young women today and talked a lot about abortion. So let's talk a little bit more about a couple of these specific podcast interviews she's done. Let's talk specifically about the Call Her Daddy episode. This idea of let's talk about, let's talk about, I've noticed this on a lot of these, this comes from Amy Goodman. This will tell us about, let's talk about, let's talk about this. We've never done that on this show. What say you? What say you?

Starting point is 01:02:07 What say you? Well, that's even worse. What say you? She's done. Let's talk specifically about the call her daddy episode. You know, I felt like it was in a lot of ways, it was like an infomercial for Harris. It was just an opportunity for her to talk at length about abortion. That's exactly right. That's what she wanted. It almost to me felt like the point of that interview was to do the interview, if that

Starting point is 01:02:30 makes sense. Like her being on the podcast, just to say the words Kamala Harris is on Call Her Daddy, like that in itself is something I've heard folks around my age feel like, oh my God, this is kind of crazy because of what I said earlier, this show is not known for talking about politics politics Have another you want to hear more of this these two dingbats? I would I want to mention that if you listen to the beginning of the call for call for daddy call call her daddy It's a call for daddy. Is it call me or podcast? We're gonna start it up. Call for daddy call for daddy

Starting point is 01:03:04 It's a it's a faith-based podcast, Call for Daddy. Alex starts it off with an unbelievable five minutes of apologia. I'm using that word instead of apology. That she's doing this at all. She goes on and on and on about, we don't do politics. She sits there cross-legged, like crisscross applesauce on her oversized couch.

Starting point is 01:03:32 Okay, all right, daddy verse, whatever she calls it, daddy verse. Daddy verse. So she was, I'm convinced that she was forced into this by Spotify. Maybe. I think so, because she was so apologetic, didn't want to do it, doesn't fit into the for you, blah, blah, blah. She went on and on and on saying she's sorry for doing this.

Starting point is 01:03:54 So, I guess they let her get away with that excuse, but the whole thing was off top. It was off, it was off, what do you call it? It's not off topic, but it's off some other thing. It sucks. It sucks. It was off. It was off. It was off. What do you call it? It's not off topic, but it's off. It sucks. How about that? It sucks. It sucks. It sucks. Not relevant. Not relevant. Not relevant. All right. So, well, that's enough of that. But let's stay with the same podcast because they spent a lot of time talking about the new Deets. The new Deets on the case filed against Trump for January 6th. Oh no, there's new evidence. It's hard evidence. He's going down. Oh, we've got something. We've got him now.

Starting point is 01:04:31 So we are in the middle of a presidential campaign and we are still getting new details about Donald Trump's efforts to overturn the last presidential election, this time in the form of a filing for special counsel Jack Smith. Can you just explain what happened this week? Yeah, absolutely. There were new things to learn even though reporters and the January 6 committee on Capitol Hill and many others have been spending a lot of time and energy digging up details. The difference here is that the Justice Department and the FBI had subpoena power.

Starting point is 01:05:01 They could execute searches and people felt the need or compelled to talk. And so we got some new details. Maybe the most significant to me was on the day of the Capitol riot itself on January 6, 2021, the prosecutors asserted that it was Donald Trump himself who was sitting in a dining room off the Oval Office, watching Fox News and issuing some of the tweets himself that day. In particular, that tweet around 2.24 p.m. where he said his vice president, Mike Pence, lacked the courage to do the right thing. Remember Trump and others had been leaning on Pence to kind of put a pause on the certification

Starting point is 01:05:40 of the electoral votes and Pence refused. And, you know, there was violence at the Capitol that day. Within a minute of Trump's tweet, Pence had been evacuated by the Secret Service. And then an aide came rushing in to tell Trump that there was chaos and danger at the Capitol, including toward Mike Pence. And according to this new filing, Trump replied, so what?

Starting point is 01:06:02 Oh no! Oh, no. So this is new evidence. Throw the book at him. Oh, but wait, there's more. So a lot of new detail here. Additional new detail. The former president allegedly said to his daughter, Ivanka and son-in-law, Jared, that the details about the election really didn't matter.

Starting point is 01:06:24 And election fraud really didn't matter and election fraud really didn't matter. You've just got to fight like hell. And so that is new evidence about what Trump said and did on key days, as well as his state of mind and about his criminal intent. These people, I mean, I'm throwing them out of podcast index. I'm censoring them. I'm throwing them out. That's a good'm censoring them. I'm throwing them out.

Starting point is 01:06:45 That's a good one. Yeah, well, you could actually, technically, maybe. No, technically, I could do it right now. I won't, but they deserve it. And I know you have two clips on this, which I think will probably expand on this general overview, because not only do you have this damning evidence of Trump saying, you've got to fight like hell and who cares?

Starting point is 01:07:12 I mean, oh my God. I mean, we need to throw him in jail. No, no. But that nut job is back. Donald Trump's relationship with Vladimir Putin has been scrutinized since his 2016 bid for president. The Republican leader has long embraced Putin, whose intelligence services were found to have meddled in US elections.

Starting point is 01:07:33 Now, a new book by veteran American journalist Bob Woodward reports further explosive details on the two men's interactions. First of all, spook and second of all, explosive details. The opus titled war cites an unnamed Trump aide who says the pair had spoken as many as seven times since Trump left office. The aide also recalls one instance early this year where they were ordered out of Trump's office in Mar-a-Lago so he could take a call with the Russian president. However, the book also quotes a Trump campaign official who cast doubt on the supposed contact.

Starting point is 01:08:22 Former presidents often speak with foreign leaders, but it's highly unusual to talk to a leader of one of the United States adversaries without first clearing it with the State Department. The book also alleges Trump sent Putin COVID-19 testing equipment for his personal use in 2020, when many nations were facing shortages. In a statement, the Trump campaign said these were made-up stories

Starting point is 01:08:45 and called Woodward a demented and deranged man. The Kremlin, meanwhile, also denied the conversations between Trump and Putin. Woodward rose to fame after he and his colleague Carl Bernstein exposed the Watergate scandal, bringing down Richard Nixon. He's written more than 20 books on American politics and current affairs, including 14 bestsellers. What happened to America, man? We used to love people who would do stuff like that. You just say, remember Ronald Reagan? He was doing a speech and there's something like a gun sound that went off and he went, oh, you missed me. I mean, these funny things.

Starting point is 01:09:22 And, oh, now it's an outrage and so horrible. It's hilarious. We need more fun in our politics. We need more fun. Now back to this topic you just broached. I do have a three by three which covers it. Okay, so I'm sorry. Here we go.

Starting point is 01:09:39 Now it's time for three by three. Yes. Experiment by JCB. Successful experiment. Comparing stories from ABC, CBS and NBC. three by three yes experiment but successful experiment comparing stories from ABC CBS and NBC a lot of people get real happy when they hear that music oh yes it's a three by music it's happy music yes we have a three by three of this topic this is interesting now we heard yeah I thought I was this again

Starting point is 01:10:02 Steve sent us in so I will say the first clip on it plays ABC. Now you heard the part where I guess Trump sent over a piece, some gear to, to Putin. Like one of those free testing kits. He got four. No, no, he said it's gear. You were talking about it. What do you think that was? Free testing kits. It would have to be a PCR testing module.

Starting point is 01:10:31 It has to be some sort of, you know, equipment, right? Well, you're going to spin it up? Okay. Well, I guess. That's it. What else would it be? In this clip, Kamala Harris is brought in to say bitch and moan. And she makes it sound as if, because I think she thinks this, that what Trump did, and

Starting point is 01:10:53 he listened between the lines, he didn't say, no, no, it wasn't some PCR gear. It was a bunch of kits. You know, those free kits that you get. Four. Four per household. I have a hundred of them. Trump probably had amongst his 17 grandchildren, he probably had about a hundred, so he probably sent in, he sent in to Vlad, DHL. But we have to, we're assuming it was a PCR gear. It wasn't a bunch of boxes of cheap tests that don't do anything.

Starting point is 01:11:25 But let's listen to this. As the COVID pandemic was raging and the government could not produce enough tests for the American people, then President Donald Trump secretly sent rare COVID test machines to Russia, to Vladimir Putin via dictators' personal use. That's according to Bob Woodward in a soon-to-be published book called War. Woodward writes that Putin told Trump to keep it a secret, saying, quote, I don't want you to tell anybody because people will get mad at you, not me. Kamala Harris seized on Woodward's new reporting today, talking about it in an interview with Howard Stern.

Starting point is 01:12:02 Everybody was scrambling to get these kits, the tests, the COVID test kits. Couldn't get them. Couldn't get them. Couldn't get them anywhere. Howard Stern had a thousand of them, hypochondriac. And this guy who was president of the United States is sending them to Russia, to a murderous dictator

Starting point is 01:12:21 for his personal use. This person who wants to be president again, who secretly is helping out an adversary when the American people are dying by the hundreds every day and in need of relief. Trump also had some choice words for Woodward, calling him a storyteller who quote lost his marbles. Woodward though is one of the most respected journalists of our times. And as you know, David Trump has frequently praised Vladimir Putin and boasted about having a good relationship with the Russian dictator. You know, we don't talk about this enough, but I got to blow.

Starting point is 01:13:01 I got to blow taps for Howard Stern. What happened to Howard Stern, the king of all media, the man who would, he was fighting the man, fighting the FCC, fighting the government. What happened? What do they have on him? How did this, how did this happen? That he became this photo. What's that in your mouth, Howard? Now it's, it? Now it's sad.

Starting point is 01:13:29 I used to love driving into New York from Jersey for years at the Lincoln Tunnel sitting there. I was like, oh, at least Howard's on. When it was best of Stern, we were still happy. And now it's just, what has gone wrong? Well, you're not the only one that's mystified by this. No. It's very sad.

Starting point is 01:13:53 All right, let's go with the second of the three, three by threes, and we go with, let's go to CBS. During the early days of the pandemic in 2020, then-president Donald Trump sent Russian president, Vladimir Putin COVID-19 test machines. According to the new book War by Bob Woodward, Vice President Kamala Harris responded today during an interview with Howard Stern. Everybody was scrambling to get these kits, the tests, the COVID test kits. Couldn't get

Starting point is 01:14:21 them. Couldn't get them. Couldn't get them anywhere. Right. And this guy who is president of the United States is sending them to Russia to a murderous dictator for his personal use. Even after he left office, Trump stayed in touch with the Russian leader. According to Woodward, he cites an unidentified Trump aide who said the former president had as many as seven private calls with Putin. Even one early this year when Trump was urging Republicans to block additional aid to Ukraine in its fight against Russia. The newly revealed contacts raise additional questions about Trump's relationship with Putin. In the recent presidential debate, Trump twice refused to say who he wanted to prevail in

Starting point is 01:14:57 the war with Ukraine. Do you want Ukraine to win this war? I want the war to stop. The vice president told 60 Minutes Trump would have allowed Putin to conquer Ukraine. Donald Trump, if he were president, Putin would be sitting in Kiev right now. He talks about, oh, he can end it on day one. You know what that is? It's about surrender.

Starting point is 01:15:18 Woodward, who rose to fame investigating Watergate, writes in the book Trump was far worse than Richard Nixon. A Trump spokesman responded saying Woodward's reporting is not true and that Trump gave Woodward absolutely no access. Hit job. Now a couple of things about this and the other one is that neither report mentions the fact that they talk about machines, COVID, the PCR machines they're talking about. They said it here, they said it here, in this report they said. No, they said it was machines,

Starting point is 01:15:49 but they never make the point that she's talking about test kits. Kits, yeah. By the way- It's clear that these machines are not test kits, yet they play her talking about test kits with no clarification whatsoever. I have some clips later in the show if we get to them about some of the science reporting

Starting point is 01:16:07 on NPR doing the same kind of thing, leaving out details that are necessary for understanding. Leaving out details that are necessary for understanding is what these networks are doing and they're doing a disservice to the American public with this sort of reporting. It's just beyond me. What? What? I know gambling is going on. So I'm looking for an excerpt.

Starting point is 01:16:33 In war, Woodward, this is from BBC, in war, Woodward writes that while the former president was in office, Trump secretly sent Putin a bunch of Abbott point of care COVID test machines for his personal use. So that is what was written in the book. So Harris is completely nuts when she's talking about the test kits. And have you noticed that Howard's voice is lighter? Like he talks a little more in the front of his mouth. He doesn't have that throaty. I didn't notice this, but you would. Yeah. All right, let's play the last of the three,

Starting point is 01:17:08 which will be NBC. Tonight, in her ongoing media blitz, Vice President Harris telling ABC she wouldn't change anything President Biden did. Would you have done something differently than President Biden during the past four years? There is not a thing that comes to mind in terms of, and I've been... I think she lost the election on this.

Starting point is 01:17:31 I think this was the loser. When you say this, nothing comes to mind. Yeah, and there's plenty that she... There was a wide... It was a softball that Sonny Hossens had to literally read from a sheet. Yes. I think this is the election losing answer right here. There is not a thing that comes to mind in terms of, and I've been a part of most of

Starting point is 01:17:58 the decisions that have had impact. Later saying she would name a Republican to her cabinet. Former President Trump slamming the response, calling it quote, her dumbest answer so far and Biden the worst president in history. Meanwhile, Washington Post reporter Bob Woodward writes in a new book that former President Trump secretly sent Russian President Putin COVID tests for his personal use in 2020. Please don't tell anybody you sent these to me. Woodward says Putin told Trump.

Starting point is 01:18:26 I don't care, Trump replied. Fine. Woodward citing an unnamed aide who claims Trump may have spoken to Putin as many as seven times since leaving the White House. NBC News has not confirmed Woodward's reporting. The Trump campaign responding in part, quote, none of these made up stories by Bob Woodward are true. Harris slamming Trump today.

Starting point is 01:18:46 Everybody was scrambling to get these kits, the tests. This guy who was president of the United States is sending them to Russia, to a murderous dictator for his personal use. Oh brother. NBC did the worst job of it because they didn't even indicate that it was a machine, which you easily noted. It took you all of two seconds. NBC did the worst job of it because they didn't even indicate that it was a machine. No. Which you easily noted.

Starting point is 01:19:07 It took you all of two seconds to read from the document. From BBC, from the book. Oh, gee, there's an excerpt. It's like these guys even made it sound as though it was test kits. NBC did. So that would normalize what, it would make it more sense. It would normalize what Harris said by soft peddling what it really was. Good point.

Starting point is 01:19:29 This is the kind of... NBC has gone off the deep end. I blame Comcast. I blame this Brian L. Roberts guy, the CEO. Somebody should call him out. Okay. Well, it might as well be you because no one else is listening. Call him out. This is another problem we can't do more than four more years. It's not going to be any media left to deconstruct. We'll just be talking about podcasts. That's the way it's headed.

Starting point is 01:19:59 Yeah. All right. Before we take a break, there was one interesting piece of news about Tina Peters, I think Tina Peters Day is her name. She was overseeing the election in Mesa, Arizona, and she took issue with the voting machines. Now, when you hear this story, what she really got convicted for is for allowing an unauthorized person to take a look at the machines. And there's a whole bunch of other stuff.

Starting point is 01:20:33 There were screenshots where everybody could see it was near the password was one password 123 and stuff like that, which is important information for people. But they threw the book at her. Elections have consequences and so does breaking the law in search of election rigging. Tina Peters sentenced today to nine years in her election tampering case. Colorado's best known election denier, the former Mesa County clerk, was defiant till the end, arguing with the judge at sentencing and bringing in a parade of fellow election conspiracy theorists to defend her. R. Mark Salinger was in court in Grand Junction where Peters laughed at prosecutors, lectured

Starting point is 01:21:12 the judge, then was led away in handcuffs. Tina Peters is a hero to the people who believe her lies. But inside this courthouse, those same lies made her a felon. You are a charlatan and you cannot help but lie as easy it is for you to breathe. A reckoning happened today in Judge Matthew Barrett's courtroom. For nearly 30 minutes speaking directly to Peters, he made it clear that words have consequences and lies lead to prison sentences. Prison is for those folks where we send people who are a danger to all of us, whether it

Starting point is 01:21:46 be by the pen or the sword or the word of the mouth. Prison is where folks go, where punishment is what we're focused on, because the crime committed is so significant that anything less would unduly mitigate the seriousness of the same. Peters granted conspiracy theorists illegal access to voting systems in her county as she searched for proof of voter fraud. Even to this day, after finding no proof of fraud, she maintains the election was stolen from Donald Trump and told the court she did nothing wrong.

Starting point is 01:22:18 So okay, so you threw the book at her because she, after the election, by the way, after all the election was said and done, she lets in computer experts, now known as conspiracy theorists, to take a look at these machines. And then in the courtroom, the judge is making it sound like, oh, if you're a danger, if you say things that aren't true. He was really making a big deal out of, oh, you lie, you lie, so we're throwing you in jail for nine years. This is something that actually kind of worries me. Yes, this is worrisome.

Starting point is 01:22:58 Yes. It's very worrisome. She was sincere. Yeah. Yeah, it wasn't that she would end. Did she lie? About what? Well, because there was supposedly no proof, whatever.

Starting point is 01:23:13 Therefore, she lied. Therefore, throw her in jail. But the real charge is that she allowed unauthorized access to these voting machines. Yeah, after the fact. Yeah, I know. I know. These are... No, something's up with fact. Yeah, I know. I know. These are... No, something's up with Arizona.

Starting point is 01:23:27 Yes, stay away. This wasn't really about her. This was about anyone else who thinks they're going to poke around. Yeah, don't do anything with those... No, you're going to poke around our area. Forget it. Arizona is notorious for this sort of thing on Yeah. On both sides of the political spectrum. Hey with that I'd like to thank you for your courage.

Starting point is 01:23:49 Say in the morning to you the man who put the sea in the COVID testing machine sent to Putin. Hey, say hello to my friend on the other end the one and only Mr. John C. DeMore! In the morning to you Mr. Anker in the morning ships sea boots on the groundaboots on the ground, feet in the air, subs in the water, dames and nights out there. Hello, trolls! Let me count you. Don't move. Showdown! 29... ... 29...

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Starting point is 01:26:50 Thank you very much, Dreb Scott for doing that. And that's part of the value for value model. We have producers all around the world. Brian of London sent me this clip. I didn't clip it. It was a guy on LBC and he was bitching and moaning how he can't even get one jingle, even a sound effect. He said, I can't even get a sound effect from this company. LBC won't provide him with that stuff?

Starting point is 01:27:15 Well, he says it takes 11 weeks. It's got to go through committee. It's got to go through legal. Legal. It's got to go through legal. It's got to always go through legal. And meanwhile, if I said, hey, give me a sound effect of X, Y, or Z, it would be sent to me within five minutes at have it. One? You're kidding. You'd get a dozen. Yes, exactly. And that's because everyone is a producer of the show.

Starting point is 01:27:37 No one's just the casual haphazard listener. No, you're a producer and it's your responsibility when that topic comes up, that one thing that you're an expert in, you have to let us know about it. Like the weather modification guy. I mean, it's amazing that we have these people in our listening audience. And we also have people in the National Guard, the military. It's actually kind of stunning. Well, it's a big club and you're in it. If I get to my science clips, there's a couple of things in there where I'm gonna actually request some clarification from people that are experts. Good, we'll do it right

Starting point is 01:28:11 after we're done thanking our value for value supporters. It's time, talent, and treasure. And we start with the artwork that we chose for episode 1701, we titled that dork maga. I was on one hand shocked, on the other hand, kind of mortified that I heard Kara Swisher calling Elon Musk dork maga. Did we, did she hear that from us or did we somehow just catch on to some kind of- I think we're in the same way. Oh, no, we, we are on the same wavelength as Kara. That's not good.

Starting point is 01:28:49 That's kind of disappointing. Well, when he said, when he said dark mega, the first thing I thought it was Darth Magnet, cause I thought that was funnier, mega and then Doric, you said, I think you said Dork. Yeah, Dork. I said Dork Maga. He said Dork Maga. I wrote it down immediately.

Starting point is 01:29:04 And so you and Kara are on the same wavelength, I think. This is bad. That's why you listen to her so much. I must repent. You actually have a crush on her. Oh yeah, that's it. Uh-huh. Yeah, that would be it. Right on.

Starting point is 01:29:18 This was art, which had a DNA strand. It was okay. We were happy with it. We felt the choices weren't all that great. It was a fallback piece, let's be honest. Tan Stafel, Tan Stafel, who, I don't know if this is, is this someone's nickname or? I don't know who, that's not Tantanil, it's Tan Stafel. I don't know if it's somebody new, it's not that they-

Starting point is 01:29:43 No, no, it's not new. I think they've been around. No, not long. First art was submitted for episode 1661. You're right. You're right. But he's done good work. He or she.

Starting point is 01:29:56 He or she, yes. A lot of good evergreen pieces. Yep. And it must be a she because if you look at the logo of the of Tan Stavro, it's a girl's picture. Well then she was for four months. She must be a Dutch master. I would think so. We've uncovered a new Dutch master. Now we didn't make it easy for everybody because we said hey you can't do any Star Trek stuff and I think a lot of people had Star Trek stuff in mind

Starting point is 01:30:26 because it was episode 1701, Starship 1701, USS Starship Enterprise. And I think they got bummed out and a couple still did it, of course. And I think no one had ideas. You kind of liked the dog TV from Dame Kenny, Ben. I did like it, but it was simplistic looking because if the dogs were more dimensional, I think it would have been better and you wouldn't like that.

Starting point is 01:30:48 You hated it. Okay. Yeah, there you go. I hated it. So yeah, so we didn't really have such a great selection. Um, I noticed a little ham radio, by the way. Um, I just like to mention so many people, I don't know about you, they probably not emailing you because they can't spell your last name, but

Starting point is 01:31:10 they've been emailing me, hey, what radio should I get? I got a couple of those but not too many. And I would just like to suggest that everybody, we've been doing this for over a decade I think. I think you're, but wait, but your best line is, wait, get a license. Yes. Radio. Yeah, that's about what I'm about to say.

Starting point is 01:31:30 Get a license, not just because you need to be licensed. And actually in an emergency, anybody can use these things. You know, the license deal is not a big deal, but you go to arrl.org, you find out where they're testing. They do it once a month, just to reiterate, all the questions for the test are published with the answers.

Starting point is 01:31:53 They won't ask you all the questions, but all the questions they ask you will have the exact same answers, multiple choice, just in a different order. So you can memorize, but you actually need to do this to figure out how this stuff works. Because repeater offsets and little things, just little tips and tricks you need to know in order to function properly, certainly on these two meter or 70 centimeter ham bands, you need to hook up with some people.

Starting point is 01:32:21 So don't just think I can get a radio and then breaker breaker good buddy is this thing on. Because it takes... CQ, CQ, CQ. CQ, wait, the Italian guys, the span of... CQ and EXA, CQ and EXA, CQ, CQ, CQ and EXA. The hams are all laughing now, trust me. It sounds like Mexican radio. Yes. Just do that. You will not regret it.

Starting point is 01:32:49 And it's easy and it'll cost you a total of 60 bucks to get a radio. That's max by the way. That's with the radio. 60 bucks with the radio. 60 bucks is high. You looked at the prices recently. Well, they got some really spiffy, the Bao Feng things.

Starting point is 01:33:04 You get two Bao Fengs for 60 bucks. Yeah, but you want... Okay, yeah. You can get a lot of gear and even programming them is easy with some software, but just get into it. Spend a weekend, get into it. It's worth it. You will not regret it. You will not regret it. And you get a handy license you can frame. Yes, yeah. You can frame your handy license. Yeah, right next to your Commodore ship. Next to your Commodore ship, next to your PhD, next to your diploma from community college and university, whatever you got.

Starting point is 01:33:38 I have my Connecticut School of Broadcasting diploma. I'm very proud of that. Oh, good. They. Very proud of that. Oh, good. They're very proud of that. It's long since defunct. Yes, but I still have one. So thank you, Tannstafel, Tannstafel, for the artwork. Noagendaartgenerator.com.

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Starting point is 01:43:57 Remember these credits are real. You can use them anywhere. Credits are recognized. That includes IMDB.com. Thank you again for producing episode 1702. Our formula is this. recognize that includes IMDb.com. Thank you again for producing episode 1702. Our formula is this. We go out, we hit people in the mouth. Yeah. All right. You had something you wanted to play. Yeah. I want to do these clips. This is an example. These are a total of six clips.

Starting point is 01:44:37 And it's a, they're different though. They're not just like one topic. Divi depth. This is about the kind of dingbats that you have. We're doing reporting nowadays and this is specific to NPR. Oh, well, like we haven't been paying attention to them today. We've been giving them a lot of airtime. Yes, it's like NPR kind of a focus today. Let's focus on crappy reporting. Let's start with this one. This dingbat report NPR, this is about the Honda.

Starting point is 01:45:07 Honda's had a big recall and then we get to listen to, I don't know, this girl sounds like she's in the 11th grade, maybe, telling us all about the problem with the steering mechanism on a Honda car. Honda is recalling more than 1.7 million vehicles because of a defect in the steering mechanism. Federal regulators say the issue could increase the risk for crash. And Paris, Kamila Dominovski has details. The recall includes the Acura Integra, Honda CR-V, and the Civic family, all from model year 2022 or newer.

Starting point is 01:45:41 Honda thinks about 1% of recalled cars actually have the faulty part. It's a badly manufactured worm wheel. The part where the rotation from turning the steering wheel turns into turning a gear to turn the wheels. Turns out these defective worm wheels can swell. There's also a spring that's wound too tight. Add it up and you might get an abnormal noise and a sticky feeling when you turn the steering wheel. Wow. How condescending is that? So why do we even have a reporter reporting on something that you can just read? The news reader could have read that. But they do this a lot. I was looking at, in fact, I went and looked it up on the NPR personnel. They have hundreds and hundreds of people working there

Starting point is 01:46:26 that just for this purpose alone, that brings me to the second group of clips. This is the Sandia, it's about Sandia Labs, which she pronounces Sandia. I don't know why. What is Sandia Labs? Sandia Labs is down in the Albuquerque area and it's a, I should have, again, down in the Albuquerque area and it's a, I should have given, she might maybe send D as the way it's pronounced now. But this is a, this is one of those examples we've talked about it before in the show where you have a situation where you use the term, uh, uh, spokesperson instead of representative. Cause you want to make it clear that you're using non-language a certain way. I believe NPR brings on presenters that are DEI hires.

Starting point is 01:47:14 For their score, their ESG score. For their score and for bragging rights. You could bring in somebody who can do presentation well and they'd be a DEI hire. But if you're listening on the radio, you wouldn't notice it. So that's no good. So let's bring on a woman that's got so much. She's just a lousy presenter. Can't she screeches when she talks, she's got, see, I don't know if she's black or Mexican or I don't, I can't tell, but she's got a ghetto sound to her that, that tells the listener, Hey,

Starting point is 01:47:48 I'm a DEI hire, get over it. And here we go. Do you worry that an asteroid will slam into earth and in all life on this planet, scenes from movies like Armageddon, keep you up at night. We may have something to make your sleep a little better. Scientists may have discovered a way to knock an incoming asteroid off course. And for anyone who ever wondered, why don't we just throw a bunch of nuclear missiles at it? Well, you're kind of right. So it's a little bit different concept,

Starting point is 01:48:26 but we think it may even be more effective. Nathan Moore led a team of physicists at the Sandia National Laboratories in Albuquerque, New Mexico. All right, here's how the meeting went. Hey guys, I think we've had some issues with the younger audience listening to NPR. We need to hip it up a little bit.

Starting point is 01:48:46 I want some sound effects. I want young voices, multicultural voices, and let's just be a little bit looser with the scripts. Yeah, that'll do it. Do you work? Sorry. That would be the meeting. I'm sorry, that would be the meeting.

Starting point is 01:49:02 Now, the problem is the reporting here is, which brings me to the last couple of clips coming up. Didn't we already do this, by the way? Didn't we already crash something into an asteroid? Well, yeah, but that was the landing to just steal something from it. I meant, this is different. The thing is, is that they're going to tell us something that it makes no sense and it's never explained. And this is what, what the

Starting point is 01:49:31 galling part is besides her voice. Here we go. The Sandia National Laboratories in Albuquerque, New Mexico, they have discovered you just need to set off a nuclear explosion near an asteroid, and the burst of X-rays will send it safely off target. The idea has been around for decades, but the only way to test it is with a nuclear weapon. And those are difficult to come by. So we invented a laboratory experiment where we could test this idea

Starting point is 01:50:00 to generate an incredibly strong burst of X-rays in the laboratory. His team used magnetic fields to burst of X-rays in the laboratory. His team used magnetic fields to produce these X-rays and recorded their effects on two mock asteroids roughly the size of tic-tacs. Not only does it work, but it works better than we thought. And on any size asteroid. But Nathan Moore cautions that all asteroids are not alike. Asteroids come in many different flavors. They're made of many different types of

Starting point is 01:50:28 rocks. We've only done a test on one type of mineral, so it will be important to test this idea on different minerals in our laboratory experiments to develop a full understanding of how we would deal with every type of asteroid. But it's good to know we humans have options that those dinosaurs didn't when it comes to asteroids. Oh, brother. Or when they come to us. It's certainly reassuring to know

Starting point is 01:50:52 that if we are surprised by either a large asteroid or one that shows up with very little warning, if it needs a hard shove, we have a way to deal with it. Bruce Willis, thank you for your service. Oh my goodness. I'm surprised you didn't say axeroid. The worst part about this report is not even her. It's how do x-rays, which have no matter, push anything.

Starting point is 01:51:25 I'm sure that maybe they do, but I don't know how it does. I mean, when I have an x-ray, I'm not thrown back against the table. It's like... So there's no explanation for how this x-ray trick works. Also, it's rude. Bruce Willis is a vegetable. It's rude. It's rude. And then the Bruce Willis is a vegetable. It's rude. And then the Bruce Willis reference is like...

Starting point is 01:51:48 With Bon Jovi music. That's rude. I agree. This is peach NPR right here. It's over. That's it. Enjoy it. Definitely. Yeah. Enjoy it. It exemplifies the crap that they produce. It's also not explanatory.

Starting point is 01:52:05 It used to be educational. You should learn something. You learn nothing. So here we go to this second group. Now this is all the same. This is about more science-led pipes. And I want to, this is about, this has got so much lack of information.

Starting point is 01:52:21 There's no real reporting. It's just, let's get rid of red lead pipes, they never explain as we go along. I'll try to throw in what might be going on because I haven't. Because I would like an expert. Wait, wait. Didn't you used to be a lead pipe inspector? No. Oh, okay.

Starting point is 01:52:41 And so I would say that there is lead pipe. It's a lead pipe cinch. There's just information in here that is not explained. Let's go. There are some nine million homes across the U.S. getting water through lead pipes. And now the Environmental Protection Agency says those pipes need to come out. The science has been clear for decades. There is no safe level of lead in our drinking water.

Starting point is 01:53:06 That's EPA Administrator Michael Regan. He says lead is harmful, especially to children. And PR's Ping Huang has been following the story and she joins us now. Hi, Ping. Hi, Leila. Hi, Ping. Okay. So I got to admit, I was kind of surprised this wasn't already a rule. What is the EPA saying about it? Yeah, you would think, right? I mean, it's definitely something that water advocates have been fighting for for many, many

Starting point is 01:53:28 years now. And the main thing about this rule is that for the first time on the federal level, it requires most water systems to replace all their lead pipes within 10 years. Now, Leila, this is a problem with a long history, but it got a lot of attention 10 years ago with the Flint water crisis in Michigan.

Starting point is 01:53:44 And there, there was a change in the water chemistry that caused old pipes to leach high amounts of lead into the drinking water. And since then, some cities and states have actually already been swapping out those lead pipes for copper. Okay. What does she say at the end? I don't know what she said. and they're just filling air time. Play the little end part again and tell me what she said word by word. Crisis in Michigan and there there was a change in the water chemistry. There there was a change in the water chemistry? Wait, wait, wait, I'm listening.

Starting point is 01:54:19 Sleech high amounts of lead into the drinking water. That's sleech high amounts of lead into the drinking water. And since then some cities and states have actually already been swapping out those lead pipes for copper. Okay, that last bit I could not decode. Let me listen again. Some cities and states have actually already been swapping out those lead pipes for copper. Well, some states have even allowed the selected loppenhopper. I'm telling you, I could, I've listened to this 10 times and I couldn't

Starting point is 01:54:46 figure out what she said. The leech and loppin' slop and hopper. The loppa-goppa-goppa-dop. The leech and slop and hopper, swapping out the lead for copper. How about that? And since then, some cities and states have actually already been swapping out those lead pipes for copper. They've been slopping out the head pipes for copper. She said hopper. They've been slopping out the head for Hopper. She said Hopper. How can we? We don't get gigs like this. This is a great gig. I wanted a Slop and Hopper. Okay. So right away we're introduced to the... It turns out that besides that last bit, which is I had to stop it there because it's like, what did she... I still don't know what she said. Slop and Hopper. Sloppin Hopper. So we got, everybody's got lead pipes.

Starting point is 01:55:29 Show title, show title, Sloppin Hopper. Sloppin Hopper. So everyone's got, the lead pipes are everywhere, but in Flint, Michigan, it caused a problem and everyone got poisoned and they made a big fuss about it because of the water chemistry. What water chemistry? What water chemistry? What changed in Flint that all of a sudden everyone got lead poisoning when there's lead pipes? It turns out the whole country is filled with them. It's a slopping hopper. So, what do we, this didn't tell me anything. All I know is if there's lead pipes everywhere and they've been here forever.

Starting point is 01:56:07 And I also know that elemental lead, elemental lead is not toxic. Even lick lead, it's not gonna do anything. It's the lead salts. Ah, now you're getting all chemistry on me now. But they never talk about any of that. Let's go with Clip 2 where they still tell us nothing. Right.

Starting point is 01:56:31 It was clear even back then that it wasn't just a problem in Flint. Are there parts of the country that are more likely to rely on lead pipes? Yeah, places with homes that were built before 1986. That's the year that Congress banned lead pipes, but the ones that were already in the ground were allowed to stay there until now. So there are lead pipes in every state, but some have more than others. Those include Illinois, Florida, Pennsylvania, Ohio, New York, and New Jersey. All of those states have over half a million lead pipes. Wow. So that's a lot of pipes. They're going to have to replace all those in 10 years.

Starting point is 01:57:03 Wow. Yeah, it is a lot of pipes. And for the most part, they will have to, but there are some interesting exceptions. So Chicago, for instance, has the most lead pipes out of any city, around 400,000 in Chicago alone. Oh, that explains it. Because they actually required lead pipes there until they were banned. So when this rule was first proposed, Chicago got a pretty big exemption, something like 40 to 50 years to replace all their pipes because they just had too many of them. And a lot of advocates pushed back on that. They said it's way too long.

Starting point is 01:57:32 That's generations more people growing up with lead pipes. So in the final rule, the EPA has tightened that up. Now instead of 40 years, they have more like 20 to 25. Okay. So a couple things I learned here. One, no wonder Chicago is retarded is because they're all drinking lead. And the other thing I got from NetNed, he says Detroit water was used until Detroit kicked them off for not paying their bill and Flint switched to a mothballed water treatment

Starting point is 01:58:01 plant from the Flint River that was really polluted, just as an aside, and we do better than NPR. Well, another thing, the question that comes to mind when I heard that clip was, why did Chicago demand the lead pipes in the first place? So that the Democrats could keep winning elections. Well, that's an interesting theory. But it's like, why don't they tell us anything? This is a fact-free science report. They're telling us nothing. And for example, what is going on that causes the lead?

Starting point is 01:58:39 And even with the Flint, Michigan thing, I still don't know what the chemistry is. Now, I have some ideas. It's possible that, for example, you can get lead chloride if you chlorinate the water and run it through lead pipes. You might get some lead chloride through to the drinking water. I mean, that's one possibility. If you look, do any research at all, and they don't talk about this, if you have hard water, it coats the inside of the lead pipe so the likelihood of toxic toxicity is zero because there's a coating you know anyone who has hard water knows what the problem is it just calcium and

Starting point is 01:59:13 magnesium just coat everything and so you makes the pipe smaller but it protects it and that's not discussed and then this sleeving thing which is what most people do in these, some of these areas, you run plastic sleeves through the copper pipe and then you just run the water through that and that solves the problem immediately. And then there's also solder joints they don't talk about, which would leach us through even when copper pipes. How come they didn't call you for this science report?

Starting point is 01:59:40 They could have called anybody. Shut up already. It's science. Yeah, science. Be quiet. So they continue with the non-factual reporting with the next clip. In touch with Brenda Santoyo, and she's a water justice advocate in Chicago.

Starting point is 01:59:57 Water justice advocate? No. Hey, that's a- Water justice. That should be our next promotion. We can give out water justice advocate diplomas. Water justice. That should be our next promotion. We can give out water justice advocate diplomas. Okay. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:00:11 What, I have a WJA in Detroit. It's definitely progress. I think that like the city, the state should take like their own measures to try to speed up that process as much as they can. We also don't want our water systems to be set up for failure for them to take shortcuts. Yeah, she says that the timeline seems reasonable so long as families are able to protect themselves in the meantime. Yeah, I mean even 10 more years seems like a long time to be drinking water that might have lead in it. So what can families do to protect themselves? Yeah, well step one is figuring out whether they

Starting point is 02:00:44 have a lead service line. The service line is the pipe that brings tap water into your house, and that would be the most likely culprit. If you can see that line, you can scratch it with a coin, try a magnet on it. There's some guidance online that can help you figure out if it's made of lead, copper, or coated steel. And in case you're wondering if it's easy to scratch and a magnet does not stick to it, those are some of the signs that it could be lead. They can also test their water for lead. There are some water districts out there

Starting point is 02:01:09 that offer free water testing, so they can check for that. And here's the thing, even if there is lead in the water, common home filters can take them out. So pitcher filters, faucet filters that are certified to remove lead, all these are really great solutions until the lead pipes themselves get eliminated. I am very close to banning NPR science reports on this show. I'm very, very, very close to

Starting point is 02:01:31 it. This is bad. This is very bad. You have to remember that NPR, our national treasure, and all these public radio stations began as educational stations where you should learn something. You learn nothing from these people. There's no explanation for anything. It's just blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Lead is bad. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:01:58 That, we could have summed up that whole report with what you just said there. Blah, blah, blah, that is bad. Blah, blah, blah. Tum, tum, tum, tum, tum, tum, tum, tum, blah, blah, blah. All right. Thank you for this science moment. You're welcome. I would like to move to Israel and Iran and what's happening. I have a couple of clips and I have some analysis that I would like to share with the group.

Starting point is 02:02:29 We start first with Biden and Netanyahu finally speaking. President Biden today spoke with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. The White House called their conversation direct and productive. However, one of the big questions that remains is how will Israel respond to the Iranian missile attack and when? Israel's defense minister warns it will be precise and deadly. Now this news reporter Josh Einerger is live in Tel Aviv tonight with the story. Well it's precise and deadly he said, but he added, and above all surprising.

Starting point is 02:03:04 They meaning the Iranians, he added, will not understand what happened and how. But as you point out, the big question is when. And if the Israelis have decided that, they aren't saying tonight. One year after President Biden came to Israel and wrapped Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in a bear hug, the two leaders have seen their relationship sour of Netanyahu's prosecution of the war in Gaza and now Lebanon. But eight days after nearly 200 Iranian missiles filled the Israeli skies, Netanyahu and Biden today spoke on the phone to discuss Israel's plans to retaliate.

Starting point is 02:03:41 The U.S. and the Israeli government have been discussing, have had discussion since last week after, certainly since after the Iran attack. And so those discussions continued with the president and the prime minister. The White House has been trying to convince Netanyahu to choose conventional military targets and not Iran's oil industry or nuclear program. And it all comes at the holiest time of the year in this holy land. Will they try to do something before the end of the week? Because at the end of the week is the holiest day on the Jewish calendar,

Starting point is 02:04:14 Yom Kippur, the day of atonement. And at this time, there is so much uncertainty about what's to come. Now, I ask you, in the world of cyclical happenings, wouldn't a second Yom Kippur war be perfect? Oh, huh. Just in the cyclical nature of things. I'll come back to that. Yeah, that's an interesting idea. Yeah, I didn't even think of that. Just a thought. Now we go to NPR, and let's just get a little update, short one from NPR. There's a lot of speculation over whether Israel will respond and what would be its targets.

Starting point is 02:04:50 Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Eriji, in this video by AP News, warned Israel not to test his country's resolve by launching an attack, saying Iran's response would be more powerful than last week's ballistic missile attack. That was in response to Israel's killing of top Hezbollah and Hamas leaders. Eruji said Tehran stands fully behind its so-called axis of resistance, which includes Hezbollah and Hamas, and that he would soon be travelling to Saudi Arabia and other regional countries to discuss Israel's offensives in Gaza and Lebanon. There's intense debate here in Israel about the scale and target of a potential attack on Iran. Many experts believe it could be

Starting point is 02:05:29 against its energy sector. Okay, so bear that in mind and he's also going to be roaming around talking to people. Now we go to our retired generals. And the first one coming right out of retirement known for his seven count, the famous Wes Clark seven, is in fact General Wesley Clark, and he's going to lay it all out for us. Do you believe Bibi Netanyahu will pull the trigger on Iran? I certainly do, and I believe he should.

Starting point is 02:05:57 All the tragedy in Hamas, all that's going on with Hezbollah is traceable to the source, and that's Iran. And so this is the moment and this is the situation in which Israel has to strike and strike hard at Iran. Hey, it's number seven on the list. We got this the final one. We got to complete my West Clark seven. What do you make of the move by Emmanuel Macron to withhold weapons? I think he's responding probably to domestic pressure in France, but it's certainly a misguided

Starting point is 02:06:28 effort. If he wants to make a difference, he should endeavor to have religious leaders in France call together, Khamenei, bring Khamenei to Jerusalem, have the Pope there, tell Khamenei to renounce his claims, his efforts to destroy Israel and kill all its people. I. John B. Bollinger I love this. First of all, I like that he says Comane instead of Comene. He says Comane. So his idea is get the pope, bring the pope over, have Comane and the pope. We got to do a photo op Comane, and then we'll all shake hands like a big Camp David, though, in Israel. And Comi and the Pope, we got to do a photo op Kamenei, and then we'll all shake hands like a big Camp David, though, in Israel, and Kamenei and the Pope, and it'll be good.

Starting point is 02:07:10 If you go to the source, that's the way you deal with this. And Iran is the source. And Kamenei is the key person. One more question for you. There have been some who say that if Israel were to strike, particularly Iran's oil, that this would spark World War III. Give us your perspective, considering all of the years you have as an experienced commander. In ruining other countries. In NATO.

Starting point is 02:07:38 Well, I don't think a strike on their oil is going to spark World War III. I don't think World War III is in the offing right now, but I do say this. Iran is on the verge of having nuclear weapons. Maybe it has them now. When it has those, everything's different. This regime in Iran, it has to go. Now it can change its tune if it says, okay, it'll live with its neighbors, fine. If it continues to insist that its whole effort is directed at the destruction

Starting point is 02:08:08 of a neighboring state in the 21st century, that's not permitted. No. So this is a moment for Israel to assert itself, to strike back and to gain dominance in the region over Iran. So that sounds to me like regime change is what he's saying here. We just have to change those guys. Everything else is fine. It's not going to start a world war three.

Starting point is 02:08:32 Now proving once again, we have the best producers in the universe. One of our producers was at an investor dinner. And this must have been pretty high end because they brought in as a dinner speaker General Milley. And our producer gave me a big mic, general mic. The other big mic. The other big mic. It gave me a little rundown of what he said, took notes, and I think it's worth sharing.

Starting point is 02:09:05 History is cyclical, he said. The Treaty of Westphalia in 1648 ended the Thirty Years' War and set the West up for a hundred years of peace between large powers. Broken by the Seven Years' War, the French and Indian War around 1750, then the constant state of war until Congress of Vienna established the Concert of Europe in 1815. Then there was peace amongst the large powers for a hundred years until World War I, from 1914 to 1945 with World War II.

Starting point is 02:09:38 We are now 80 years into the current peace established by rules- based order imposed after World War Two. The next 20 years will be very interesting. China, Russia, and Iran have every incentive to overthrow the rules based order that's governed the world since the Americans came up with it in New in a New Hampshire hotel in 1944. He says that was Bretton Woods. China. Building the military with an eye on seizing Taiwan, Xi says he wants to take it by 2027, which would be the 100-year anniversary of the People's Liberation Army. He says maybe, but China lacks experience and may underestimate the difficulty of it. Important that they continue to wonder if the US would intervene. Ah, that's so we need to keep rattling the sabers.

Starting point is 02:10:30 Gaza. Israel is responding to this horrific attack. Imagine what we do. They've been fairly successful with their strategic goal of destroying Hamas, about two thirds of the way there. They haven't gotten all of their leadership yet, but it's coming soon.

Starting point is 02:10:53 Their challenge going forward is that they lack a political message. All war is politics administered through organized violence. That's a good statement. I like that one. All war is politics administered through organized violence. Need an alternative path to sell it to the Palestinians. Continued collateral damage, civilian deaths makes it harder. It may require an Arab peace enforcement troops, maybe from Egypt, Jordan and Saudi Arabia. Notice we have Netanyahu going on a little tour. Iran. Israel will hit Iran,

Starting point is 02:11:23 but they'll probably wait until after the high holy days conclude next week. Probably a mix of military, economic, and symbolic targets. He said, maybe I'm wrong, they might go downtown. Either way, going downtown. Either way, it will be a strong message of don't do that again, but stopping short of delivering a devastating hit. Neither Israel nor Iran won a full direct war, but sometimes wars happen even when they aren't wanted. Would the US get involved? Well, the country is a third bigger than Iraq with bigger military. We could deal with it, but at a significant cost. So unlikely.

Starting point is 02:11:57 Nuclear. Now they are only days or weeks away from having enough uranium goo. However, Milley says, it will still take quite a period of time to package that into a missile. So there's something different from Wesley Clark. It's always a couple of weeks away. Well, that's just for the goo. It'll take much longer to package it into a missile. Yeah, they keep changing the target.

Starting point is 02:12:23 Supremely- I'm going with our thesis that this whole thing is a sham. And the fact that they've been talking about the nuke being a week away, a week away, a couple of weeks away- For years. For a decade. For a decade. For a decade. For a decade. For a decade. Is it possible that at some point years ago, they figured out they can't do this? Maybe none of it works.

Starting point is 02:12:52 And maybe none of it works. And so they're going to say, well, let's change our policies, but we have to do this slowly. So let's get rid of these terrorist groups. Somehow we have to go in cahoots with other people to do this because we can't do it because it would make us look bad we want to stay in power and so the whole it's a whole thing is a is a is a is a sham the commonese because I know evidence of the contrary and even if Israel sends a couple of missiles over they're gonna hit anything. And the 200 missiles that were sent toward Israel, they didn't hit anything. They killed one of them, but the poor guy got hit by a fragment. I sent you that video after the show.

Starting point is 02:13:33 Oh, that's the most disgusting thing. I mean, I don't even wonder whether it's real. It's like a cartoon. It's like, wow. That's what I wonder about. The whole thing was like, it may have been. How does that even happen? How does that even happen? How does that even happen?

Starting point is 02:13:45 Anyway, he goes on to about the future of warfare, which I think is the final interesting point. The nature of war doesn't change through history, but character of war does, tactics and technology. Example, gun range increased from 70 yards to 400 yards between American Revolution and the Civil War. Generals were slow to adapt to it it and it was a bloodbath. In World War II, the Germans, British and French had the same new tank tech, radio comms and

Starting point is 02:14:12 air support, but the Germans came up with the best system, the Panzer divisions and steamrolled Europe in 18 months, including a larger French army. Looking ahead, one third of the US military will be robots in 15 years. Drone tanks, sailorless ships, more UAVs, etc. China and Russia will try to do the same. Armed robots powered by, here it comes, AI and quantum computing will have... Oh, he said quantum computing? Yes, he did.

Starting point is 02:14:40 He doesn't know what it is. Will have terrifying capabilities. This is where he goes off the rails. Yeah. So we don't need to invite General Milley for our after-dinner conversation. He's like, he does have a historic, he likes to do his historic stuff. Yeah, that is good. Doing historic stuff and analyzing it is hindsight. Doing foresight, he's got nothing. He can't look into the future at all.

Starting point is 02:15:07 Robots and AI and quantum computing. Now John, I tell you if you really want to know what is happening in the future of warfare, we must look to the NATO. And the NATO as you know is now run by our former prime minister from the Netherlands Mark Rutte. It's crucial for Ukraine to prevail and we have to afford that Putin would get his way with and in Ukraine because it's not only a problem for Ukraine there's also a threat to all of us here in the UK. Everybody is threatened. About your accent. Yes. Because I listen to this I think you've got it's

Starting point is 02:15:53 fabulous I wish I could do it but there's a couple of things you might want to do. Okay. One they go a lot more than you do. Yes, okay. And the other thing is he changes his, Ruta, he changes his cadence. He talks at a certain speed, then he speeds up and then he slows down. That little element you have yet to capture. Oh, okay. I will. I'm just coaching you here. I will work on that and do it very good in the future. Of us here in the UK, all over NATO, including Canada and the US.

Starting point is 02:16:29 If Russia would be successful in Ukraine, it would be a security threat to all of us. So we have to massively... Massively learn how to speak Russian. Continue what we are doing first, and that is to put military aid into Ukraine. Yes, some aid. To make sure that we have enough training ready for the soldiers, the brave soldiers from Ukraine. We must have some training ready for the brave soldiers. Brave, very brave soldiers.

Starting point is 02:16:57 The brave people were working there to... The dead people you mean. ...counter the Russian onslaught. At the same time we have to implement what we agreed in Washington during the summit. And particularly this is the command we are now setting up in Germany. Oh command, oh Germany is going to take all the hits, great. Basically coordinate all the activities. Oh yes, let Putin go get mad at the Germans. Allies and others to make sure that this aid gets into Ukraine and of course the so-called 40 billion euro so-called that is not so-called this is real and we

Starting point is 02:17:31 stole it from the Russians where we decided collectively to make sure that that money is available many long term and this is of course at least for the first year but then also longer term we have to find that money. Yes. And? We have to work on the bilateral security agreements as they are now being negotiated between Ukraine and various allies. He's negotiating between Ukraine and various allies. There's no letting up. We're going to continue to...

Starting point is 02:18:01 How about the long range weapons? But would you support Ukraine being given access to longer-range missiles to be able to fire those deeper into Russia? Militarily, we've heard from former senior commanders in Europe saying that Ukraine's allies need to be firmer, that dither and delay, as one of them put it, is not in Ukraine's interest. So would you personally support the use by Ukraine of longer range missiles to fire deeper into Russia? Well, let me say this about that.

Starting point is 02:18:33 Let me be very specific. First of all, Ukraine is allowed legally to strike targets in Russia when... Who makes up these laws? Legally? Yes, is there some edict? Was there some law passed? Is there some kind of war law? Is Geneva?

Starting point is 02:18:58 First of all, Ukraine is allowed legally to strike targets. What are you talking about? I, Mark Rutte, have said it is legal, you can go ahead. Legally to strike targets in Russia when these targets pose a threat to Ukraine. So legally this is possible. Legally? You're going to go to court over this? What are they talking about?

Starting point is 02:19:23 Yes, hello Vladimir. Send the police in. And my second element of my answer will be that it is not one weapon system which will change the outcome of this conflict. No, we need many weapons. Spend the money. And then of course it is up to the individual allies to decide when they deliver weapons systems into Ukraine, how they can be used and what kinds of commitments they give in terms of for Ukraine. Where is he going to get specific like he promised? To use the systems. This is not up to the alliance as a whole, this is up to the individual ally members. Okay, one last clip from Mark Rutte about Ukraine becoming a NATO member.

Starting point is 02:20:08 We saw recently the Slovak Prime Minister saying that as long as he's in power he will block Ukrainian membership. What are you going to do to try to build consensus on that? Well, clearly what we decided in Washington unanimously is that there is an irreversible path towards membership of NATO for Ukraine. Irreversible? Irreversible? Yes, irreversible. Once they start they cannot go back.

Starting point is 02:20:33 We keep them going on the track. Towards membership of NATO for Ukraine. Then of course the question is how to take this to the next steps and the next stage of this. And it really has to be done step by step. And that's something of course amongst allies we will discuss over the coming month, including up to the summit in The Hague and beyond. Because this is a very sensitive issue, this is an important issue. But I said last week in Kiev when I visited Volodymyr Zelensky and his team.

Starting point is 02:21:05 Yes, with his team. We had a nice little drink with his team. I visited Volodymyr Zelensky. Is that one thing has to be absolutely clear. One thing. That Russia does not have a vote on this and that Russia does not have a veto on this. No, that would not be legal. Every country in the area of NATO can apply for membership and that is a sovereignization for that individual country. What a sales guy.

Starting point is 02:21:35 And he comes across so confidently. Oh, I'm Margareta. I want to make it all happen. I'm going to get that Vladimir. Me and my boys. Irreversible. It's legal. Come on man. Pull the trigger. It's legal. Do it.

Starting point is 02:21:54 Do it Vladimir. If anyone's going to start World War III, it's that guy. Yes. That guy is no good. And we know he's no good. The Dutch know he's no good. We know it. Well, he's no good. He's no good.

Starting point is 02:22:12 He's no good. So this came in, which I've, let me see. I think I have a longer clip here. Let me play this a longer clip. This is about Google, Google and the Department of Justice. This is interesting because I received a document today that I think pertains to it. So it is getting harder and harder for markets to remain complacent. Shares fell by more than 2% yesterday.

Starting point is 02:22:40 And as we've been mentioning, Alphabet is the cheapest, magnificent seventh stock by forward P.E. multiple. So yes, cases, they can take years, even if we have a decision, because Google will appeal. But injunctions, as we now see, can take down walled gardens and, in the meantime, create openings for competitors. Hit Google's bottom line. The judge in the Epic case ordered an injunction yesterday that breaks open Google's Android's app store monopoly. Now he ruled that for the next three years, Google must allow developers to bring their own app stores to the operating system. Now

Starting point is 02:23:15 the aim is to reduce fees for developers, which currently must fork over 15 to 30% of their user payments made within that Google ecosystem. But by allowing them to bypass it, bypass the walled garden, Google's App Store transactions, they will take a hit. In 2019, the information estimates that it made up 20% of Alphabet's operating income. So that is a significant amount. Google says for its own part that the verdict missed the obvious, that Apple and Android quote clearly compete and says it will appeal. But in the meantime, this injunction could do some damage. Now, the epic case that's resulting in an opening up the potentially bigger threat is a breaking up.

Starting point is 02:23:56 And that is in the cards for the DOJ case, which we are expecting remedies today. And it will likely include a list of options from forcing Google to give wider access to search data, to restrictions on exclusivity deals, to a breakup of its business units. That of course would be the most extreme option. So this kind of just, I mean, yeah, the epic case has been going on for a while and the judge may have some power to do some things, but Google is going to appeal everything and they'll just keep this going forever. But it was in light, I play this clip in light of a document I got just today, actually from the oil baron, from James Comer, the chairman of

Starting point is 02:24:35 the committee on oversight and accountability with a scathing letter to Linda Kahn. Kahn! who is the FTC commissioner. And summarizing, he's saying, hey, you are a shill for the Democrats. You're going out there, you're doing all kinds of things. You know, you're shilling forHarris or for the Harris team. You're running political cover. You're threatening all kinds of companies. And just reading through this, like, huh, do you think that this,

Starting point is 02:25:17 what's happening now suddenly, that this is a message to Google? Like, you better continue doing what we agreed you do with searches and how things show up And what videos you surface or don't surface on Google on YouTube? Feels like this feels like there's a little bit of scam. Yes. Yes. It's a scam if you're gonna go out and this idea about the about the Google store, what about the Apple store? Talk about your walled garden. Well, Apple doesn't have a huge consumer search business. Search thing, that is different.

Starting point is 02:26:00 Yeah, and if the search is skewed and they want it to remain skewed. And they're, I guess they're getting so much flack about it that they're maybe they're the skew is not as bad as it should be. It's got to be more skewed. Yeah. I mean this is the same as the reports. I have a bunch of clips on this. The New York Times. I get these clips. Yeah. I got the New York Times. Yeah. Yeah. This is kind of, this talks about, unfortunately this thing went on for 15 minutes.

Starting point is 02:26:27 I don't think I even got the gist of it correctly, but it was just, it was too hard. Yeah, I hear you. But it was about how the left is bitching about, and we notice this because you notice it, I notice it. If you go to Mastodon, there are all these lefties are on mastodon bitching and moaning about the New York times. They're not going after Trump enough. Oh my God.

Starting point is 02:26:49 You mean Jarvis and, uh, and, uh, Jarvis and everybody, every journalist that's on mastodon is going on and on about we should be more proactive. Yes. You're not, you're not doing it right. The broken hashtag broken New York times. Yeah. You're not doing it right, the broken, hashtag broken New York Times. Yeah. And the people that are still on the dead bird.

Starting point is 02:27:11 Hey, get with it, you old fogies. Podcasting is where it's at. And so you can play a couple of these clips and see if you can get a gist. All right. Where's this from? This New York Times report? This is a New York Times report that another NPR findings report. Yai, yai, yai, yai. Really? Sorry. Okay.

Starting point is 02:27:31 All right. Here we go. Social media influencers are a big part of this year's election. Whoa. What happened to the podcasters? Social media influencers are a big part of this year's election. They translate the news for their followers, but the news they spread has to come from somewhere, often a news organization. So we're talking with a behind the scenes influencer, Joe Kahn, executive editor of the New York Times.

Starting point is 02:27:54 In people's minds, there's very little neutral middle ground. In our mind, it is the ground that we are determined to occupy. Joe Kahn is a Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter who now runs the Times newsroom. We met him at the Times headquarters building in Manhattan. There is, as you know very well, a long-standing conservative or Republican critique of the New York Times, but the special passion in criticism of the Times in this election cycle seems to me to be on the left. You're nodding.

Starting point is 02:28:22 Why do you think that is? It's a good question, and I struggle with it often because the left has really high expectations of the New York Times. I think some of them honestly distorted. I just thought that was such a giveaway. He's nodding. Yeah, I don't get it. I don't understand why the left, because they've always been our biggest fans. Yeah, it's so weird. Oh, I said weird. Oh, you said, oh. I know, it's like 15 to 13 now.

Starting point is 02:28:52 I know, I know, it's bad. I blame Tina. It does help when you point it out. Yes. So, let's listen to part two of this. Okay. If you've heard about Project 2025, the conservative blueprint for a future Republican administration, one reason may be that the Times covered it a lot last year. You know, that's something that you want to cover deeply, fully, fairly and provide people

Starting point is 02:29:18 with some substance to analyze that. I'm thinking of one particular story that we could pluck out of the river of times coverage. And I paraphrase here, but the story used the word plan. Harris has a plan for housing. Trump has a plan for housing. And Trump's plan is he's going to deport illegal immigrants and make more room for everybody else. And I thought to myself, that's not actually a plan.

Starting point is 02:29:40 That's a slogan. And I'm just trying to describe it accurately. Is that an example where maybe you were trying a little too hard to be fair to each side? How is that being fair to each side? And this guy never, what is Harris's plan? It's never reported what his, what her plan is. And it's, and this guy who was doing the reporting from NPR is obviously a Trump hater. And it just comes through with this discussion.

Starting point is 02:30:12 And I think part three maybe bring a little more light to it. Well, I think what we've tried to do with respect to housing is housing's an absolutely major problem. And we basically took it to both campaigns and said, what would you do about this? Concretely, not just talk about it rhetorically, but what are your plans? The Harris campaign responded and we looked at their proposals and what they would do to move the needle on that subject. We asked the same thing of the Trump people.

Starting point is 02:30:39 You're absolutely right. Their response was, we will deport immigrants who are occupying too much housing and free that housing up for American citizens. And I think we frontally pointed out in that piece that there's extremely little evidence that illegal immigrants who would be deported are occupying a significant chunk of housing. It would make any difference at all in the affordable housing crisis. That was one of Kahn's defenses against the claim that his paper is soft-pedaling Donald Trump. What? How is that soft-pedaling Donald Trump? They criticized his whole plan never mentioning what Harris's was

Starting point is 02:31:21 and this is somehow soft-pedaling? Here Jeff Jarvis posts a link to the New York Times opinion, Joy is working for Harris but can it close the deal? Jeff Jarvis is post, sigh! The media trope that voters need to learn more about Harris, well then do your job and inform them that's your job! Harris well then do your job and inform them that's your job Wow yeah probably just read those kinds of posts on mastodon they're not on Twitter yeah I'll find another one keep us entertained for days hashtag broken post calls this we are going to beat the reporters into retardation pugnugnacity.

Starting point is 02:32:05 Ridiculous piece. Why might he lose women? He's a damn sexual predator. Say it! Is the Trump campaign's male dominated culture losing women vote? Oh my god. And then he posts the Washington Post. What a pissy jealous piece of shit this is from the hashtag broken post.

Starting point is 02:32:28 Oh God, Jeff Jarvis. Calm down. Take a CBD. Grab a gummy. Grab something. I mean, it's like, these are post, these are professional journalists. It's falling apart. They're supposed to be doing journalism.

Starting point is 02:32:47 They're not opinion, they don't do, if they were just opinion writers and this is an opinion, that's fine, but that's not what they claim to be. The whole thing is falling apart. That's the point. The whole mainstream media is falling apart. They can't stand that people get their news from Twitter. They can't stand that podcasts have millions of listeners and people like Call Her Daddy and Rogan make hundreds of millions of dollars. They're beside themselves with envy and anger

Starting point is 02:33:15 and they just take it out on anything they can. And it's all Trump's fault. Well, of course, because he told everybody the fake news is the enemy of the people. And the people went, huh, that's an interesting point. The biggest kick I get out of that is when he talked about it initially back in 2015, he said, and he made a point, he said, well, you know, I said, well, they're saying the news is the enemy of the people. And he said, no, I said the fake news is the enemy of the people. And they said, no, I said the fake news is the enemy of the people. It turns out that the original assertion was true. It's the news.

Starting point is 02:33:50 It's not the, it's all of them. They're the, and it literally the enemy of the people. Yes. They lie. And then you can see when it starts to come out of guys who are supposedly journalists and suppose reporters and people are supposed to be objective. They're not objective. And those tweets from Jarvis are a good example. That's not objectivity. Let's give nothing but free coverage to the Harris because she's such a genius.

Starting point is 02:34:15 She is a moron, Jeff. She's an idiot. You can see it in her eyes. You can see it in her responses. She's a stupid human being. And that's beyond me that anyone can't see this. It's, it's obvious to most people. I was wondering what you're going to come up with. Do we need to play more of this? We need to run. The last thing is another completely different topic and it's just not important. All right

Starting point is 02:34:45 Well, then let me let me just play this one because you won't you won't read this on X It will be suppressed you heard it here for months American billionaire Elon Musk has been in the tug of war with the Brazilian courts, but he has proven to be outmuscled X will once again be available in Brazil as the Supreme Court on Tuesday ordered the reinstatement of the social network throughout the country. Ex welcomed the news. Ex is proud to return to Brazil. We will continue to defend freedom of speech within the boundaries of the law

Starting point is 02:35:17 everywhere we operate. Supreme Court Judge Alexandre de Morais cited insufficient safeguards against disinformation when blocking X in August, a ruling that ex-owner Elon Musk vowed to fight. But instead, he capitulated. In addition to paying a fine of nearly 5 million euros, the social network has agreed to appoint a new legal representative in the country and delete accounts with links to the far right. One of the reasons for Musk's change of heart? Pressure from investors.

Starting point is 02:35:49 With its 22 million users, Brazil is the largest economy in Latin America and a major source of revenue for X. Another of the American billionaire's companies, internet service provider Starlink, also suffered from X's suspension. Its bank accounts and financial assets were temporarily frozen in order to cover fines imposed on X. Oh, okay. I guess money does matter over free speech.

Starting point is 02:36:15 Free speech. Well, it would for you too. It would for anybody. He's not dumb. No, but I'm not going out there saying, man, I'm never going to do it. Screw you Brazil. Screw you. Free speech on me. What? What? Oh, what'd you say?

Starting point is 02:36:33 Investor? What? Starlink? Okay. Whatever you say goes. All right. Yeah, of course he did. Of course it was a foregone conclusion. He wasn't going to put up with his assets being seized. And he knows these South American countries, they love to nationalize stuff.

Starting point is 02:36:48 Yes. Let's nationalize, Starlink. Yeah. All right. I have one more story here. Just a little update because speaking of Elon, when is he going to take over Boeing? Sticking with corporate news, talks to end the month-long strike at Boeing have broken

Starting point is 02:37:08 down and are not slated to resume at this time. Boeing seemed especially frustrated with the union representing roughly 33,000 striking machinists. A Boeing executive told employees in a notes quote, unfortunately, the union did not seriously consider our proposals. As a result, Boeing has ripped up an offer it called its quote best and final that would have boosted pay by 30%.

Starting point is 02:37:34 The union however is not backing down. Union members are holding out for a 40% raise as part of a long list of grievances. Quote, they refuse to propose any wage increases, vacation sick leave accrual, progression, ratification bonus, or the 401k match the union told Reuters, adding, quote, they also would not reinstate the defined benefit pension. The strike has pushed Boeing deeper into the red. It's estimated to lose $1 billion a month, according to S&P global ratings, on top of the $60 billion debt it is already carrying.

Starting point is 02:38:09 With production shut down, Boeing is being forced to furlough workers. It is also exploring money-raising efforts to remain afloat, while the picket line proves to be an impenetrable force. This is bad. They have effectively, the negotiations are just done. That was their last and final offer if you remember. This is bad.

Starting point is 02:38:31 Yeah, it's bad for workers. It's bad for our air defense space industry. Yeah. Yeah, so, I don't know. How are we gonna make all those... We're gonna be flying on Lockheed jets again. And these, Boa, and this is not really discussed. Is this only the aircraft division or is this all of Boeing? Does this include the the bomb guys and the f-35 guy what I guess I'd be everybody Yeah, I mean how we gonna get a billion a month that affects all eight divisions How are we gonna get marker Ritter all of his weapons?

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Starting point is 02:48:06 the empty PayPal became Sir Andre of the broken brain and he had to go into the hospital and is rehabilitating and half of his side is not, one half of his body is paralyzed and so the the folks over there in the Netherlands decided to do a little mini meetup with him. This is Frank, aka Mike. Meetup report 6th of October from Groesbeek. Hi, in the morning, in Deem, Amsterdam. In the morning, Sir Andre Knight with a broken brain. And I've got two visitors in my hospital room here. Frank aka Mike and Deem, Amsterdam.

Starting point is 02:48:41 I'm so happy with all the visitors that are coming from the NA group in the morning. Thank you for your courage. In the morning! I love that. There you go. Connection is protection. That's what those No Agenda meetups are about. You meet people who will even visit you in the hospital when your brain is broken.

Starting point is 02:48:59 I'm telling you, you need to go to one of these and you could actually go to the Northern Wake Publical Slave Gathering, six o'clock today in Raleigh, North Carolina at Hoppy Endings or Saturday Michigan Local 1 assembles for the Meetup by the Bay at 2 o'clock in Barquab... Barquab... Barquabesee? Barquabesee. Hmm Bay City, Michigan. Check knowageniomeetups.com to make sure I said that right. The Treasure Valley meetup Will be taking place at 3 o'clock at the Heritage Social Club in Garden City, Idaho Also on Saturday the six-week cycle threat number two our democracy Octoberfest meetup 333 at

Starting point is 02:49:37 Sabala's Mexican Grill in Fort Wayne, Indiana and our next show day on Sunday the too many eggs calm meetup number seven Mar seven Margaritas Keene and Keene New Hampshire here's what's on the way we have Charlotte North Carolina on the 17th Fredericksburg Texas the big one curry and the keeper will be there please join us for that lot of people coming in for that one that's right here in Fredericksburg the 19th Bedford Texas on the 20th Cincinnati Ohio Okeechobee, Florida, Spearfish, South Dakota, Alpharetta, Georgia on the 26th, LaGrange, Illinois, London, UK, Ottawa, Ontario, Houston, Texas on the 28th, Minneapolis on the 2nd of November,

Starting point is 02:50:16 Richland, Washington, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, Emeryville, California on the 9th, Bedford, Texas and Bastrop, Texas. Whoa, are we doing dueling meetups? On the 10th, Ocala, Florida, on the 11th, Spring and Bastrop, Texas. Whoa, are we doing dueling meetups? On the 10th, Ocala, Florida. On the 11th, Springfield, Missouri. The 16th, Bedford, Texas again. Chicopee, Minnesota on the 16th.

Starting point is 02:50:33 Sacramento, California, the 27th. We're into December. Galita, California on the 5th. West Palm Beach, Florida on the 15th. And Adventura, Florida on January 19th. Just a few of the no agenda meetups, they go well into 2025 and beyond. Please join one of these at least once. I guarantee, I guarantee you,

Starting point is 02:50:52 you will want to go to more because it's just like potato chips. You crunch one and you can't stop. No Agenda Meetups, connection is protection. Go to noagendameetups.com. If you can't find one, start one yourself. Sometimes you wanna go hang out with all the nights and days. into meetups.com. If you can't find one, start one yourself. Okay, ISOs. This is where we choose the ISOs, the end of show It's like a party. It's like a party. Like a party. Okay, ISOs.

Starting point is 02:51:26 This is where we choose the ISOs, the end of show ISOs. That always leave you with just that little, oh boy, I love that show. I'll be at the Emeryville meetup. Oh, you will? Nice. Is that another get John out of the house meetup where you just... Yes, it is. But it's going to be at the Trader Vicks in Emeryville and you have the date there?

Starting point is 02:51:46 And it is... Let me see... On November 2nd. This is November 2nd? That's what it says, yeah. Are you available? That's family friendly so people can go there. With your kids?

Starting point is 02:52:04 With the kids so we can get to see violet again. Oh Specifically, okay. Oh nice Yeah, I got I so what do you got? I got four I'll play them for you. It's just wrong Have that one I have of course I have Okay Heads I win, tails you cheated. Mm-hmm. And?

Starting point is 02:52:28 So what? Okay. I think the so what is at least worth considering. Oh, okay. Well, sorry. Okay, let's start with I have two. Mm-hmm. But they're gems.

Starting point is 02:52:40 One is sexy. How can those two be so sexy? Oh, wow. Already a winner in my book. And then this is one of the podcast ones. That is the best podcast ever. Oh, I don't know which one to choose. How can those two be so sexy?

Starting point is 02:52:59 I like that. That is the best podcast ever. I think it's got to be the best podcast ever. I think it's gotta be the best podcast ever. What do you think? Yeah, it's muddier though. But it is more appropriate. It's funny. It's funny.

Starting point is 02:53:16 It's good. It's good. What does the troll room say? They're both too long. Okay, trolls, thank you. Hey everybody, it's time for that moment at the end of the show, John's Tip of the Day. Great advice for you and me, just a chip with JCB

Starting point is 02:53:32 and sometimes Adam. Okay, so I have to, I'm gonna do a couple things today. Oh, you're going crazy. First one is I'm gonna have to do a quick search on something. Alright, but you've got to stay on the mic because whenever you... I'm on the mic, I'm all over the mic. You're not on the mic. If I wasn't on the mic, I don't know what I'd be doing. You're nowhere near the mic. I'm right on top of it. You're off mic. If I was any closer to the mic, it would be behind me. Okay, well, try that. First

Starting point is 02:54:01 of all, I want to kill the previous tip. You're killing a tip? Killing a tip. Does it have to be removed from tipoftheday.net? No, you can leave it there, but I think it has to have a disclaimer. It's the AliExpress. AliExpress is no good. But that brings us to today's tip.

Starting point is 02:54:25 AliExpress is no good because I purposely bought two flash drives, thumb drives, USB drives, whatever you want to call them, advertising, whatever you want to call them from AliExpress. I call them threat vectors. That I knew were phonies because you don't buy a terabyte USB drive for three bucks. There's no such thing. Wow. There was no shipping and handling. So it came to your door for three bucks. So six dollars total, you got two terabyte thumb drives. And what did you, were they PEZ dispensers? What were they? If you put them through a system, which is what I'm gonna recommend is the tip of the day

Starting point is 02:55:07 There are products out there and the one I'm gonna recommend is a thing called check flash Which was written by a Ukrainian and I think the current version out is one point one one point one seven dot zero and It was written by a Ukrainian and it you've stick to the When you buy the drive you had to do this at the beginning because it erases everything It will check to see if your terabyte drive really contains anything near a terabyte So you so if you get a bad drive Like these phony drives I bought from AliExpress you stick it in, says, no, this is not a terabyte drive,

Starting point is 02:55:45 this is not a 500 gigabyte drive, it's a one kilobyte drive. But the header inside the drive will say, oh, yeah, terabyte, you've got a terabyte. So you start putting something on there and it just craps out after you put one video on there's they won't retake it. And you realize the whole thing's a scam. And what makes them want to take Aliexpress off the list is that they will refund

Starting point is 02:56:14 your money for these phony baloney products that they sell. But for a week, over a week, I went to the return site website and he's all down we can't do it now call back later so I lost like 10 bucks or whatever it cost me for these two products but you gained a lot of malware since you stuck that thing into your machine no there's nothing on there well for one thing I didn't stick it in the machine because I ran CheckFlash immediately. Which is a Ukrainian piece of software. You're better than a thousand.

Starting point is 02:56:49 No, this is good stuff. This Ukrainian guy is a geneticist who just happened to dream this piece of software up. This software, I check it through. That's the other thing. So CheckFlash is the product I like. It was written for Windows 8, still works fine. But no, there are products out there, and people can identify the best of them,

Starting point is 02:57:08 but they're all over the place. Things that check the download. So you can see if there's any malware attached to it. Now, I got this one from MajorGeeks, and it seemed to be okay. It didn't seem to have any malware. I have products that check that. That's another tip.

Starting point is 02:57:24 But the tip is when you buy a flash drive, and Amazon has sold these, they have sold these fake drives that say, oh, it'll say something like 64 gigs, and 64 gigs is a buck. No, there's nothing on, the drive is bull crap. So you have to buy one of these checkers that checks the flash drive. If anyone has a better one than CheckFlash, let me know, we'll plug it in the future. But that's what you do. So what's your tip?

Starting point is 02:57:51 And I just bought a couple of drives recently and I ran them through and they're fine, they're real. So what is the tip? The tip is, when you buy a new flash drive, a thumb drive, a USB drive, check it before you use it to make sure it's legit. All right. And that's what is that software called again? CheckFlash. Okay. All right. And what do you use these drives for? Do you hand them out to the kids

Starting point is 02:58:16 who come up to the door? Hey kids, want some files? I use them for a lot of different things. For example, if you want to take some old DVDs and turn them into MP4s and you put them on the drive and give them to one of the kids, it's the easiest way to do it. Hey kids, want some DVDs, want some movies? No one has a movie player. They don't play DVDs like you. No, I don't have a DVD. you. No such thing as a DVD. I don't have DVD drives anymore. John, will you please do me a favor?

Starting point is 02:58:52 So you have to use these thumb drives for this stuff. Will you send me a thumb drive with some movies? Yeah, what movie you want. You know, the good ones. Those movies are, that's something between you and Tina. This has been your tip of the day Thanks for listening You all come back now. Yeah, there you go everybody a retracted tip and a brand new tip check flash

Starting point is 02:59:17 Find them at tip of the day dotnet no agenda fun calm. There you go Hey coming up next on the stream, let me see what we have. We've got, oh interesting, Bandrew says is on the stream. He's a comic strip bloggers buddy. This is the benefit of three minute shorts on YouTube using shotgun mics in untreated rooms. Yeah, he's a mic expert. Don't get me started on mics, but he's a mic expert. End of show mixes, we have, let me see, Dee's Laughs, David Kecta, and we got the brand new guy, John Valentine. And I'm coming to you from the heart of the Texas country, home of the October 18th No Agenda meetup here in Fredericksburg, Texas.

Starting point is 03:00:08 In the morning everybody, I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley where it's kind of overcast, maybe chilly, and the blue angels are flying around but you can't see them. That's just great. I'm John C. Dvorak. We return on Sunday with another three hours of media deconstruction just for you. Until then, remember us at noagendadonations.com. Adios, mo fosa, hooey, hooey, and such. I think of her as America's wine mom. And then there's I'm being stern so you don't realize how plastered I am.

Starting point is 03:00:39 And I'm making a point. I'm not the little girl with me. Now I'm going to go upstairs and don't knock on the door, cause I'm gonna pass out. Pfft. I'm in hyena, giving out the old Berkeley hummer, distracting you for the next month, sent to the summer. No agenda, season of reveal is here. Come, rat, come, lahey, let's kick it into gear.

Starting point is 03:00:59 Sweet, bully, brown side piece, giving oral orifice service on her knees, to get ahead, cheese. Pastor Mannden saying that he had her nose wide open Come clean like Joe Brown said it and was not joking Shooting back, matter of fact, cleaning his gun on his stream A serious man from what I can gleam Trump's saying that she had a lunatic laugh I put it in her head, now he's inside, let's wait for the gap Saying that she's gonna be so bad not only video but the first campaign ad true social and not x lasted on the far right hell of a flex biden is that wait after

Starting point is 03:01:33 the debate progress is for the feeble minded but maybe i'll just call him late jd vance stepping up i came to see my plane kamala the cameleon is wine drunk again. I'm confident, if he's being fair. I don't know whether it will be peaceful. He knows how to talk tough. But more importantly, he knows when the time for talk is over and it is time to fight for what is right. Ladies and gentlemen, it's Donald Trump on Deface the Nation. Meet the fake press.

Starting point is 03:02:10 Deface the Nation. Somebody they can have a beer with. You asked for Miller Highline. The Champagne of Beers! There you go. Kamala flew to a fundraiser in San Francisco, a city she absolutely destroyed. She destroyed San Francisco. It was the best city in the country and now it's not good at all.

Starting point is 03:02:33 Well, families desperately tried to escape the rising floodwaters and they climbed onto roofs. They did anything they can to live, but Kamala didn't send any helicopters to rescue them. And when people sent helicopters, they turned them back. I like it. They're pro-eating bugs. Entomophagy. Insectivore.

Starting point is 03:02:57 They're like crickets. Eat the bouts, comrade, eat the bouts, aren't you glad? You owe nothing and you're happy, don't be sad, comrade Eat the bouts, comrade, eat the bouts, aren't you glad? You owe nothing and you're happy, don't be sad, comrade The crowd were paced for breakfast Cricket tends to pay for lunch The crab worms are soft and creamy But the crickets pay handsome crutch In the bugs, comrade, in the bugs Aren't you glad you own nothing and you're happy? Don't be sad, comrade, in the bugs, comrade, in the bugs

Starting point is 03:03:39 Aren't you glad you own nothing and you're happy? Don't be sad, comrade, eat the bugs, aren't you glad? You owe nothing and you're happy, don't be sad, comrade The roast of spiders, oh so tasty The roach powder protein shake Dear leader, give us bags of Weebles Tell me what you're going to make, let's make Eat the bugs, comrade, eat the bugs, aren't you glad? You owe nothing and you're happy, don't be sad, comrade Eat the bugs, comrade, eat the bugs, aren't you glad?

Starting point is 03:03:58 You owe nothing and you're happy, don't be sad, comrade Eat the bugs, comrade, eat the bugs, aren't you glad? You owe nothing and you're happy, don't be sad, comrade Eat the bugs, comrade, eat the bugs, aren't you glad? You owe nothing and you're happy, don't be sad, comrade! Eat the bugs, aren't you glad? You owe nothing and you're happy, don't be sad, comrade! Eat the bugs, aren't you glad? You owe nothing and you're happy, don't be sad! Don't be sad, comrade! Moon of the Future! The best podcast in the universe. Devorak.org slash NA.

Starting point is 03:04:36 That is the best podcast ever.

No Agenda - 1702 - "Sloppin' Hopper"

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