No Agenda - 1716 - "Silver Buckshot"

Starting point is 00:00:30 B-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b- here in FEMA region number six. In the morning everybody, I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley, where we all say Happy Thanksgiving and Go Lions, I'm John C. Dvorak. It's Crackpot and Buzzkill. In the morning. Who are the Lions? Is this the Oakland Lions? Yeah, the Oakland Lions. What do they play? What does the Lions play? That must be a college scene. I don't know about the Lions. You don't need to know.

Starting point is 00:00:52 There's no reason for you to know. I'm with you. Oh, really? You're with me? You're with me. Hey, hey. You hear him? You hear the char case?

Starting point is 00:01:07 Here we go. We are ready for you all. I realize this morning, just as the Curry family tradition, I think many families around America, on Christmas and Christmas Eve, we all sit down and we read, "'Twas the night before Christmas."

Starting point is 00:01:29 And we read, "'Twas the night before Christmas and all through the house, not a creature was stirring, not even a mouse. All the stockings were hung by the chimney with care, and visions of St. Nicholas would soon be there, etc." So that is a tradition in America. For Thanksgiving? No, that is a tradition in America. For Thanksgiving? No, that is a Christmas tradition. I'm now saying for 17 years, the tradition within No Agenda Nation, within the household of No Agenda, has been John's annual explaining

Starting point is 00:02:00 why Thanksgiving is bullcrap. And I just want you to know it has reached so far and wide that it is now even on the radio here in Texas. People are talking about John's Thanksgiving explanation. I'll just play a little bit of it. This is on play a little bit of it. This is on Hill Country Patriot. John C. Dvorak and John puts out a newsletter the day before each of their podcast shows. So yesterday's newsletter came out and I'm telling you what, it was this guy, I don't know, he's butt hurt over Thanksgiving. John C. Dvorak is butthurt over Thanksgiving. And so, I started reading his article and let's see, he says, I'm always amused by the... And I'm not sure if I can use all these words, so I'm going to just clean them up. I'm always

Starting point is 00:02:59 amused by the bull stories about Thanksgiving being about pilgrim maize, turkeys, and Indians. When the holiday stems from, and then he goes into, and I just read it was like, man, John C. Dvorak, you completely missed the point. Dr. John B. Bollinger This goes on for five minutes. Dr. John B. Bollinger I'm glad they're picking up on this, on the reality. Reality, folks. By the way, he says later,

Starting point is 00:03:27 you're not wrong, but you're missing the point. So you're not wrong, which is interesting. Yeah, I'm not wrong, but I'm missing the point. What was the point? What did he finally conclude? Well, I mean, you want me to fast forward a little bit? I can skip past all of it. Yeah, I guess.

Starting point is 00:03:39 Listeners here, we know that throughout the history of this country, that it has been a regular, regular, starting with the pilgrims, yes, to set a day aside for thanksgiving to God. There it is! To just thank you. And yes, did it come with harvest? Yes, that's when a lot of the thanks, that's when we got the fruits of all our labor, literally. So, you know, somewhere in there.

Starting point is 00:04:12 He's making it up. No, he's not. Somewhere in there, he says, you're right about the history of it. Well, allow me to set everybody up and then we can do the annual. I feel bad for people that don't subscribe to the newsletter. The whole essay is in there. I've been running it over and over. Well, I mean, the same old filler.

Starting point is 00:04:30 As you can see, the just copy paste the copy paste. Oh, wait, there's an error. Let me just change the spelling. The mainstream legacy media that is Matt Long on Hill Country Patriot. He'll love me saying that. They subscribe to your newsletter. It's show prep. It is literally Adam what was the name of the show again? And who was that Matt Long show Hill Country Patriot? So we do need to Play the Chicago Museum of History did a nice little piece on WGN explaining Thanksgiving, and

Starting point is 00:05:07 we will do that as then we ramp up to have the annual explanation of Thanksgiving by our very own John C. Dvorak. Long after the Pilgrims landed at Plymouth Rock in 1621 and celebrated a successful harvest with a three-day gathering that became the first Thanksgiving, it was the first President of the United States, George Washington, who declared November 26, 1789 a day of public Thanksgiving. While a lot of people trace the origins of the celebration of Thanksgiving in the United States back to the Pilgrims and Plymouth in the 17th century,

Starting point is 00:05:43 our kind of contemporary understanding of it really has to do more with these proclamations that were made by various presidents. Chicago History Museum Director of Exhibitions, Paul Derica says the holiday was observed on and off for years. President James Madison proclaimed a Thanksgiving Day in 1814 and 1815.

Starting point is 00:06:03 Thanksgiving as a national holiday really kind of takes shape and then becomes part of American culture in the 1860s. But it wasn't until October 3rd of 1863 in the midst of the Civil War that President Abraham Lincoln made what is now regarded as the Thanksgiving Proclamation. He wrote, The year that is drawing to a close has been filled with the blessings of fruitful fields and healthful skies. He called the nation's people in its prosperity, quote, gracious gifts, and said, it has seemed to me fit and proper that they should be gratefully acknowledged. I do therefore invite my

Starting point is 00:06:40 fellow citizens in every part of the United States to set apart and observe that last Thursday of November next as a day of thanksgiving. Lincoln's proclamation took effect just one week after his most famous speech, the Gettysburg Address. Even though the United States is in the midst of this great civil war and there are all of these challenges that the nation is facing, There's still a lot to be thankful for. It was the culmination of a decades long campaign by a prominent magazine editor named Sarah Josepha Hale. She lobbied Lincoln for the holiday.

Starting point is 00:07:13 Thanksgiving and establishing it as a national holiday certainly stands as one of his enduring accomplishments. And in the 1940s, Congress issued joint resolution 41 forever making Thanksgiving a public holiday. No wonder mainstream is losing viewers. Oh, brother. Well, a couple of things, I'll just throw in. Yes.

Starting point is 00:07:36 The only thing that corrected in that report was Sarah being the one who initiated making this an annual holiday. Yes, that was good. That was good. Yeah, they got that part right, but the rest of it the link and Thanksgiving thing was all about about the dead soldiers And they did that every year because of all the dead soldiers it wasn't about anything else really and it was it was to honor the dead and

Starting point is 00:08:00 So that you know, it was kind of depressing to be honest about it And so that you know, it was kind of depressing to be honest about it When this woman finally got it got it to become a national holiday became such an and it can and it All began with dead soldiers had nothing to do with pilgrims or corn or anything like that What and then it it evolved into? By the 30s it evolved. This is new by the way. It's not in the essay. It was somebody sent me this. I didn't know this time to update the essay. I'm going to update with this. So by the thirties it was institutionalized as the last Thursday of November.

Starting point is 00:08:46 And Franklin Roosevelt wanted to move it up a week to the third Thursday, which then became known as Frank's giving. Oh, Frank's giving. Franklin Delano Roosevelt. Frank's giving. Because he felt, because it was in the, I think it was in 39, it was 1939 he did this. He felt that it was important to move it up a week to get Black Friday up a week to get an extra week of Christmas shopping. There it is. There it is. That's the true American tradition right there. That's the American tradition, but nobody bought it so it died out. So yes, this is a kind of a fake phony baloney deal.

Starting point is 00:09:20 Oh man, yes, of course. But it's a time people get together and argue about politics. And what's so beautiful about Thanksgiving, Thanksgiving, you know there's two ways to say it, Thanksgiving. Around here everyone says Thanksgiving. Thanksgiving, not Thanksgiving. I grew up saying Thanksgiving and here it's Thanksgiving. I say Thanksgiving. It's Thanksgiving. I'm trying to get into Lexcon so I don't sound like a damn Yankee. Thanksgiving. Yeah, I don't want to sound like a damn Yankee. You want to sound like a Texan. You've been there. It's Thanksgiving. That's right. Thanksgiving. Of course, even though Thanksgiving is not celebrated anywhere, but in the United States, our fine tradition of Black Friday is celebrated

Starting point is 00:10:01 around the world. This began around 2015, I think, and maybe even a few years before. Maybe a little earlier even, yeah. It started up. Because, yes, I know. Well, first, Halloween, which most of the EU countries spell Halloween, that was the first thing to kind of creep over. So everyone could dress up like a schmuck or a sexy bar maid or whatever, housemaid. Hookers.

Starting point is 00:10:30 Hookers, yes. It basically a hooker holiday. And they don't say Halloween, they say Halloween. And then after that, the internet really, once the internet shopping kind of kicked in, so I think it was probably 2012 where it really was going strong. Black Friday, everywhere. Black Friday from Holland, from Amsterdam to Milan. Black Friday is all over the EU. And I would say in most of the world. Black Friday, of course, Amazon, big part of that. And it's just wonderful.

Starting point is 00:10:58 We are so happy. And then we always have the annual pardoning of the turkey. At the White House, President Biden And we always have the annual pardoning of the turkey. At the White House, President Biden honored an annual tradition for his final time in office. The pardoning of the turkeys. It's not always the turkeys you think he's going to pardon, but these are the pardons that he did. Take a look. Raised by the... yeah, I hear you.

Starting point is 00:11:27 Peach wants to speak a little bit. Peach weighs 41 pounds. Loves to eat hot dish and tater tot. Tater tot. Tater tot. Tater tot. And cross country skis. He lives by the motto, keep calm and gobble on.

Starting point is 00:11:43 Go, go, go. Based on your temperament and commitment to being a productive member of society, I hereby pardon Pete Jamblosson. Righto. And back to the view. There's a much more serious pardon that many people are wondering about. And that is, people are wondering, should Biden pardon his son? Yes!

Starting point is 00:12:06 Hunter? Or does that make him an even bigger target for you-know-who coming in? Oh yeah, we can't even celebrate Thanksgiving without some politicization by the view. That show's gotta go. Well, it's going to go. And then of course we have the biggest problem, holiday heart syndrome. We're just days away here from the first major holiday

Starting point is 00:12:31 of the holiday season, Thanksgiving, and you're tracking some medical news about something called what, holiday heart syndrome? What is that and what do we need to do to protect ourselves? You know, many people do not know about this. I will say, one of the strongest memories I have is a nurse I presented after a weekend of overindulgence with swelling in their legs, palpitations,

Starting point is 00:12:49 and they had all the signs and symptoms of this condition called holiday heart syndrome. So I wanted to help educate. Especially as we step into those days where most likely all of us are going to be overindulgent. This is a reconstruction or a reformation of the heart that happens from the fatty food, the salt, as well as the alcohol that we eat.

Starting point is 00:13:05 And it can most often lead to an abnormal rhythm, athid or atrial fibrillation. It can happen to anyone, but those who are most at risk are those who have a history of heart disease. But again, it can happen to anyone, regardless of their condition, especially if binge drinking is involved.

Starting point is 00:13:19 And the symptoms that you wanna look for are palpitations, leg swelling, dizziness, and shortness of breath. And the way to prevent this, of course, is to prevent the causes, which is making sure we're mindful before we step into those holiday events. Being mindful about salt, wine, and alcohol, trying to limit and portion control as much as we can. This is bull crap, of course. The reason for holiday heart syndrome is the stress of being with family. That's it, the stress of being with family. That's it. The stress of being with family.

Starting point is 00:13:49 And this is going to be another one of those years where people are stressed. Oh, because yes, you're right. Most divorce takes place between now and Christmas. Well, now that you brought it up, this is a very, very, very sad, sad moment here. One of our producers sent me a note and Dan is his name. And Dan says, well, I'm going to be homeless for Thanksgiving and Christmas because he came home from work and there was a note taped to the back door and I shall share it with everybody. Dan, you are no longer the person I fell in love with. You let hateful cult leaders brainwash the humanity out of you. Since you voted for a rapist, felon, fraud and tyrant, I no longer want to share my home with you.

Starting point is 00:14:46 Please find somewhere else to live by Christmas. Your vote for that orange piece of shit tells me that you think all women, including me, are second class citizens. Don't deserve autonomy over my own body and choices. You betrayed me, Alana, Olivia and your own daughter by supporting that misogynist, rapist pedophile. You betrayed Randy with your vote. You know he's gay and yet you voted for a proven homophobe to lead this country. You voted for a racist a-hole who has no respect for veterans. He calls you suckers and losers. How can you justify a vote for someone that does this? You voted for someone who only embodies hate.

Starting point is 00:15:25 Since that's the person you think should lead our country, then I no longer know who you are and I can't spend the rest of my life with you. I have purchased a new refrigerator before that orange a-hole puts tariffs on everything. And yes, tariffs means that we will have to pay more for things. All you stupid mag hats fell for his lies. If you want to remove that part you replaced and return it, you need to do so before Wednesday. Please find somewhere else to be on Thursday. There will be no Thanksgiving here and I'd like to have the day alone.

Starting point is 00:15:56 I'm sorry for laughing. This, but this... Wow, talk about media brainwashing. The media, this is why this show that we do exists. Thank you for bringing that up. This is exactly correct because this is not just media brainwashing, this is all media. It was like social media in particular and your favorite TikTok is playing a big role. If you see the amount of TikTok women, influencers, who are out there repeating this over and over again and Trump is going to declare no fault divorce across America, which on its face is very uneducated and ignorant since marriage is a state issue, it's not a federal issue, you're married before the great state of and because, oh yeah, Texas is already doing it.

Starting point is 00:16:51 Some jemoke state senator in 2017 put in a bill that's, oh, you know, we should not, we should do away with, which by the way, no fault divorce is available in every state in the union. We should do away with it because it promotes wrecking the family. I think only recently in New York, I think New York was a holdout. Oh really? Yeah. Yeah. Well anyway, but you know, so these psychological operations that have taken place have absolutely convinced people

Starting point is 00:17:29 that this is happening. They are convinced of it. There is no... No, no, they're not insincere in their belief. Yeah. So I'd like to actually get into this because... Well... Yes. Well, since you want to get into it, I do want to, since you kind of led me into leading the witness into this TikTok clip.

Starting point is 00:17:51 There are reasonable people. There are reasonable people on TikTok. Oh really? Yeah, yeah. And I have one of them here. I have my TikTok clip of the day right at the beginning of the show for the people that love these clips. Oh, we're rocking it.

Starting point is 00:18:03 Yes, for the five people who emailed John and encouraged him to bring these clips to the show, here we go. I just don't get why we can't have Trump and Kamala both be presidents, and then Kamala is only president to the Kamala supporters, and then Trump is only president to the Trump supporters. And then like, we can like, we can find ways to identify one another, so then only the Kamala supporters get the communist policies. I just feel like that would be way more fair. And I don't know why we haven't thought of it before. I don't know. You know.

Starting point is 00:18:34 Humanity is lost. She she's she's she's kind of cute and dumb and she's and she thinks that she dreamed this up as such a great idea. And she says that she has this look as such a great idea and she says, and she has this look on the end of it as though, I just don't get why people haven't figured this out. Before I move into some deconstruction here of all forms of media, I just want to have everyone think for a moment about the victims of Western North Carolina and Florida who are not having the happiest of Thanksgiving. And let's be quick to listen, slow to speak, and even slower to

Starting point is 00:19:09 get angry around all of our relatives today and our friends if you have a friendsgiving. Just everybody calm down and let's... Friendsgiving. I forgot about that. Oh no, wait didn't Jay have a friends giving a year ago, two years ago? Maybe it was Jesse. Maybe it was Jesse and Jayce. I'm trying to repress the idea. So the television and radio specifically, but when it comes to media deconstruction, we now really have to look at all media, including social media.

Starting point is 00:19:46 The television and radio people, they're so focused on what happened. What happened? How could it happen? What did we do wrong? How are we losing out our messaging to the podcast laws, podcast laws, podcast law, podcast election? And I really don't think it's a podcast election. I'd love for that to be true. So I have a few clips from PBS, but then I have an old friend of

Starting point is 00:20:15 the show who was on NPR. And I think we can learn something and maybe take it to some historical things we've learned in the past 17 years and doing no agenda. So it's kind of a retrospective. And we start with PBS trying to desperately trying to understand how Trump won thanks to the Manosphere. On the night it became clear, President-elect Donald Trump won the presidency again. He was joined on stage by members of his family and several

Starting point is 00:20:45 high profile supporters. This is karma ladies and gentlemen. He deserves this. They deserve it as a family. Including the CEO of Ultimate Fighting Championship, Dana White, who paid tribute to a group of men he believed helped sway the election. I want to thank the NELT boys, Aidan Ross, Theo Vaughn, Bustle with the Boys, and last but not least, the mighty and powerful Joe Rogan. Let me know your honest thoughts. While those names may sound unfamiliar to some, they are all part of a growing online

Starting point is 00:21:19 ecosystem that's been dubbed the Manosphere. A term loosely defined as male-centered content, published on platforms like TikTok, YouTube, and the popular live streaming site for gamers, Twitch. The press is so crooked. During his campaign, candidate Trump saw massive untapped potential to reach young male voters by appearing on podcasts like...

Starting point is 00:21:42 Is this that Lopez woman? Yes, correct. why are you mad why you mad oh she's the worst I have a clips from her tubes coming up because they she's the worst but continue I just wanted to make sure okay a massive untapped potential to reach young male voters by appearing on podcasts like the Joe Rogan Experience. Kamala goes on 60 minutes, gave an answer that a child wouldn't give. It was so bad. His three hour long interview has been viewed more than 50 million times on YouTube, providing several viral moments that could then be shared in clips across all of social media.

Starting point is 00:22:23 Aha! Aha! Aha! We're starting to zero in, but it's clearly Donald Trump only won because of men, which I think is factually just not true. You know, 52% of the women voters voted for Donald Trump. So it's, you know, it's, it's, but they, they, I want to play a few more clips just so they can kind of get into this because obviously, you know, these are the people influencing men. 22-year-old Evan Jabeau is a longtime Joe Rogan listener and a Trump voter.

Starting point is 00:22:51 He says Trump's interview with Rogan allowed young men to see a different side of the president-elect. I'd give an answer, which was a very good answer. I always talk about, you know, I like to give wrong the weave. You know, I like to... Yeah. You like to weave things in. But when you do. And we got to hear a lot of stories that Trump wouldn't typically say on the road. He uses a lot of rhetoric in his rallies that you really didn't get on the podcast.

Starting point is 00:23:14 And I think it was a refreshing view of Trump. Reaching young men who often listen to podcasts and get their news from social media was a deliberate effort by the Trump campaign, says GOP digital strategist, Eric Wilson. They had a theory that if you watch cable news, whatever end of the political spectrum you're on, you already had your mind made up about the candidates and who you were going to vote for.

Starting point is 00:23:37 They went out to these platforms where people might not be as engaged in news and current events to tell them about the election, tell them about the candidate. A recent study from the Pew Research Center found that about four in 10 voters under 30 regularly get their news from content creators. Okay. So this is, notice they don't say podcasters because they didn't say podcasts from Apple

Starting point is 00:24:01 podcasts or spot a... There was no mention of that. It's about what's happening on social networks and I'm going to add TikTok and YouTube to social networks. So then on the meeting... On Instagram and all the rest of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, of course. On Twitter. Yes, but exactly. And X and BlueCry, which is the new name. It's not Blue Sky, it's Blue

Starting point is 00:24:24 Cry. So... BlueCry. I like it. And X and blue cry, which is the new name. It's not blue skies blue cry So blue cry. Yeah, like it. Thank you So on the media which is one of my hate listens they bring on Someone who was who has morphed her Her presence in media many times. Renee DiResta, do you remember Renee DiResta? No, but can I stop you for a second and mention one thing?

Starting point is 00:24:52 Yeah. That guy, that famous Democrat super donor that with the Southern accent, I think it's from Louisiana or Florida, was on one of these podcasts. The guy who said that Biden nominated Harris to screw with the Democrat party. Yeah, that guy. He who's very well connected, he says that, and I think we may have mentioned this, but

Starting point is 00:25:17 I should mention it again, that it was Baron Trump that talked his dad into doing podcasts, all of them. That's what Trump said. So we'll have to believe it. Trump said that it was Barron. Oh, okay. Well, I didn't know that part yet. Cause I heard it from this guy. And it's interesting that Barron had influence. And so did Donald, cause Donald's the one who pushed JD Vance.

Starting point is 00:25:40 He's a family man and he listens to his family. That is a good sign. In general, a good idea. Yes. So, DeResta, she was involved with the Council for Responsible Social Media. She worked at the Stanford Internet Observatory, whatever that is. Oh, yes. Do you remember her now? I know her. Yep. She's the one who had the details years ago that most internet traffic was piracy. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:26:12 She has some good numbers too. Well, and this is even though I don't like her, I remember even when I was on Rogue and I said, Joe, she's no good. She is literally on your show to propagandize stuff. And I think she was involved in some of the early kind of censorship things. Somehow I think it was her group that, if I recall, was trying to prove that you could de-platform someone by calling out a brand and they actually were de-platforming people by calling out brands.

Starting point is 00:26:49 Very murky, but she always comes out, she has a new position, she's somewhere else in some hoity-toity place. And now she's written a book, so she's back. CNN has also seen a decline at a time when more and more people are getting their news from social media. Perhaps in part because influencers seem less compromised than the legacy press. A new Pew Research report this week found that roughly 20% of Americans and 37% of adults under 30 are getting their news from content creators. Most of the accounts with over 100,000 followers are men with no professional journalistic... Can you stop it? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:27:26 You can interrupt as much as you want. I'll be, well, you know me. Mm-hmm. Uh, isn't a newspaper reporter for the San Francisco Chronicle a content creator? That would be a reporter is what I'd call that. But he's creating content. It's a horrible term. In fact, Spotify...

Starting point is 00:27:50 It's vague. In reality, it is a vague term that's... Let's take it one step further. It's a meaningless trope. Meaningless trope. There you go. That is another great show title. Meaningless trope.

Starting point is 00:28:05 They use that because they never would want to categorize anyone who does something that is not sanctioned or part of a mainstream outlet. They're not going to look they're never going to call John C. Dvorak a journalist or even a columnist. You are a podcaster or a content creator. It's disparaging. It's meant to be disparaging. And it's also meant to be able to lump everybody into one category. Spotify just changed. They have a hosting service. They changed Spotify for podcasters into Spotify for

Starting point is 00:28:41 creators. You see? So yes, artists are creators. I don't like it at all. But that's what they're going with. Most of the accounts with over a hundred thousand followers are men with no professional journalistic training. They're also slightly more likely to be right leaning. To understand this new media landscape, we're going to need to update some old ideas about how powerful institutions spread their messages. And for that, we turn to Renee DeResta, Georgetown University research professor and author of

Starting point is 00:29:14 the book, Invisible Rulers, the people who turn lies into reality. So she's moved to Washington, DC now. She went from Stanford. Now she's in the thick of it. She's at Georgetown Washington University. Okay. That's spook. Yeah, I would say. So she says some very,

Starting point is 00:29:37 I just have a couple of shortish clips. She says some very interesting things about this new world. And I kind of got interested in this because we made almost like an, we had an offhanded conversation. You said, the turnover on this show is high. That's a problem. And people started saying, well, that's because you're either A, you're not consistent in your beliefs. Or, you know, what was the other one? I had another one here. Consistent. Yeah, not consistent. I countered that quite nicely, I thought, but then you had something to say, you said, but you indicate you were going to reveal, because the season of reveal on the show.

Starting point is 00:30:18 Yeah, I'm doing this now. I mean, right now you are living. I'm witnessing it. You are living. And I'm being meta about it. You are living in the season of reveal. And so in fact, one of our producers said, you know, the observation about this is, he says, I agree with observation the two of you made is I think this infighting, and I was talking about the new TDS versus TDS classic, almost an inevitable. So he's like, okay, it's because the broad coalition Trump, etc. But he says the problem is that on one show will excoriate someone like we just did and said, Oh, you're Yale, you're Georgetown University, you're spook. And

Starting point is 00:31:01 then when I talk about people infighting about Trump's nominees and everyone arguing about that, you know, then I tell them they have Trump derangement syndrome. And both things can be true, you know, so it's, but it's a different problem and a different issue. And I think I can find or at least indicate the source of where all of this is coming from, where all of these arguments come from. So we continue with Duresta now because the secret sauce to these creators,

Starting point is 00:31:35 which we are not, I can squarely say, we are not like these creators on YouTube, TikTok, Instagram, X, BlueCry, et cetera. Danielle Pletka When you read these social media posts of people who are distrustful of media, they are effectively saying that. They really do believe at this point that there is some sort of collusion between media and government and the press is not telling them the truth. And this too is one of these areas where there had been this great hope, I think, that by creating a theoretically

Starting point is 00:32:06 gatekeeper-free media environment, we would create a flourishing new independent press that would enjoy the confidence and the trust of the public that was not subjected to the ... Okay, you have to stop it again. Sure. Now, this is an interesting commentary because she was part of and it was a, I would say this was, I don't remember how many years ago, maybe 20 years ago when the internet first started going and of all people, Dan Gilmore and others promoted the idea and wrote

Starting point is 00:32:37 a book, he wrote a book called Citizen Journalists and they were promoting the idea that this was over, the gatekeepers were done because we have citizen journalists who are going to prove us. Wait a minute. Sources Go Direct is another one. Sources Go Direct. Yeah. All that was a big deal.

Starting point is 00:32:56 And these are the same people. They were promoting the idea of citizen journalists and oh, this is the way it's going to be, and this is the greatest thing ever. And now, huh. Yeah. And, but she, the point she makes is that in general, there's a distrust of media thinking there is collusion and I will say in many parts in the world where there is like a government, government finance media for sure, there is

Starting point is 00:33:23 collusion between government and between, well, news, but maybe all media. So her points are valid about the feeling. Enjoy the confidence and the trust of the public that was not subjected to the same incentives, and that we would have this rising trust in a burgeoning new media. And of course, that's not exactly what happens. And all of a sudden you have new gatekeepers and new incentives and new structures and new means of sharing information. You have the most empowered public you've ever had as far as the role that individual people can play in shaping public opinion and amplifying news that they like and sharing

Starting point is 00:34:03 content with their friends. So you have like a fundamental shift in who can be a content creator, who can tell stories. In this particular case, we're talking about news influencers who have over 100,000 followers and those followers play a very active role in amplifying them. And this is where it gets interesting because what is happening in the, I'll call it view and like and click based citizen journalism or creators, we don't play there. For 17 years, we've never cared about how many, until funny enough, as I'm putting this together, you asked VoidZero, hey man, you got any server stats? Which, as I think we both realized again, is completely useless.

Starting point is 00:34:55 Yeah, we have 127 million unique listeners in 2024. Okay, sure. Sounds right to me. It doesn't sound right. Sounds right to me. It doesn't sound right. Sounds right to me. But there's new incentives that this is exactly what we do not do on the No Agenda show. I think a lot of people see influencers as these, like, you know, the sort of pied pipers, like leading around the masses, you know, but that's not what's actually happening. The influencer maybe has more followers, but they're often pulling content up from posts

Starting point is 00:35:27 that their followers are making as well. One of the interesting phenomenons in the influencer crowd relationship is this phenomenon called audience capture, where you'll occasionally see audiences begin to demand, why aren't you talking about this? That dynamic happened quite a lot in the days after October 7th. Why aren't you talking about Israel? Why aren't you talking about this? That dynamic happened quite a lot in the days after October 7th. Why aren't you talking about Israel? Why aren't you talking about Palestine? Where people felt that they should be applying pressure to influencers who have reach, who can shape the discourse, who can shape political opinion. The audience feels that the influencer should

Starting point is 00:35:59 be using that power in a particular way. It's really interesting to see those moments take shape because you realize this is not just a one-sided relationship. The influencer is absolutely dependent on the crowd being there. That's how they make their money. That's how they have their influence. That's how they have their reach. And so they don't want to do too much to alienate that crowd. Hold on.

Starting point is 00:36:23 This is exactly the way newspapers work. This is exactly the way newspapers work. You get a hold of the editor, you write nasty notes to the editor, why aren't you talking about this? Why aren't you talking about that? Why aren't you talking about this? What is she doing? What is she... this is ridiculous what she's saying. No, no, she's making an excellent point. This is a very good point. And I let me bring it home. Come on.

Starting point is 00:36:49 And so they don't want to do too much to alienate that crowd. And so sometimes you'll see influencers becoming more and more ideological if their audience grows in a particular direction. My point here is that when we started this show, we never thought that we would have to kowtow to any audience because initially we didn't care at all. We've never cared about numbers. And throughout just the recent history, COVID, a lot of people left in the beginning. You guys are anti-vax, you're nuts, you're out of control,

Starting point is 00:37:25 we're all going to die, this is a worldwide problem, people are dying, they're falling down dead in the street. I mean, and by the way, the first two weeks, I thought, oh, I like this Berks lady before you say it. And, you know, I was able to say, oh, hold on a second, they're showing me climate change statistics here, we got to reevaluate. Then came Ukraine, Russia, twice, 2014, then again, two years ago. Do you remember the flak we got about saying, no, this is bull crap, this Ukraine thing? Do you remember the flak we got? We got a lot of flak for COVID, we got a lot of flak, except for the people that stuck with it. And finally realized that we were right all along.

Starting point is 00:38:11 But I want to mention this. One of the reasons that we get things right a lot is because we catch early, like for example with COVID, we caught that French guy, the French Nobel prize winner who was considered a screwball. Who disappeared. Who disappeared. Who disappeared. He is the one who immediately, so as soon as the genetic results were released of the COVID,

Starting point is 00:38:39 of COVID-19, he immediately saw it as an engineered virus and he saw saw it, and he went on and on about it. And he immediately said that it would decay over time naturally, because all these engineered viruses do that. And it was just what he said made nothing but sense. And he was one of those guys that I always admire, people like this, who can look at something and immediately see things nobody else can see because that's their whole, their brain is just structured

Starting point is 00:39:10 the way it is. They can just see stuff. And so we always catch these guys early on and also we can turn on a dime. Thank you. But most importantly, relevant to what Duresta is saying here and what you just said about how newspapers work, et cetera, we have never kowtowed to the mass audience. Otherwise, we would be sitting here right now telling

Starting point is 00:39:35 everybody about the genocide in Palestine that the evil Zionist Jews have done. We have other things to discuss. We don't see this. World War III. You're leading me down the path in my season of reveal, but let's stay with this incentive, which is, and this is the culture war economy. This is the culture war economy. This is why this is why Megyn Kelly does what she does, why Tucker Carlson does what he does, why Pool Boy, although he seems to be falling off the map now that

Starting point is 00:40:05 his money dried up, Bongino, Alex Jones, they all want to have their audience consistently agreeing with them and them agreeing with their audience. And then because it is click and view based and subscription based media, they're very afraid to blow their business model. So this is just one incentive that is shaping some influencers to the point that they might become propagandists. What are some other incentives that are shaping this new media environment? The ecosystem relies a lot on direct patronage. You see substack writers making money directly from subscriptions themselves. That creates particular incentives. In order to appeal to a

Starting point is 00:40:52 group of people, to gain your initial following, you're incentivized to appeal to a niche, right? To sort of start somewhere as a person who talks about a particular topic and then to kind of expand out from there. You're incentivized to be entertaining, right? To be sensational. Get as many engagements as possible, as many, you know, people engaging and reacting and commenting and paying attention to their content. And this is an incredible challenge because you have to capture attention in an extraordinarily noisy, very, very fast-paced environment. And I'm going to tell you that Rogan does this too. He has also pivoted along. He was always very, I don't want to say anything that'll make people mad. And he does that a lot. And now he's

Starting point is 00:41:35 switched a little bit with the crowd that has come along with him. And I'm not saying, I'm not blaming anybody, but we don't make our, our income doesn't come from that system. We've always said if you don't like what we do we're doing don't listen if you don't like it don't support us and if we don't get enough to pay our rent we're gonna stop doing it. Has it ever been any different our message? Not really but I want to go back to what she said which is she's describing mass media before any of this. If you're a columnist for the San Francisco Examiner, the Chronicle back in the day, or the New York Times, or the Chicago Sun Times, or the Chicago Tribune,

Starting point is 00:42:17 you're competing with other... you have to be entertaining. You have to get people to read the damn column, because it goes back to the editors, they're going to fire you. Everything she's saying applies to mass media. She's extrapolating. This is such bull crap. My point is, say goodbye to the old boss, hello to the new boss. There is no... Thank you.

Starting point is 00:42:40 You made my point. There is nothing new about the new media. It is exactly the same model exactly the same reasons but there is a twist that I think they're overlooking and When I look at the sensationalism of what was just on Alex Jones with General Flynn a General a you know, it's I guess you're general forever an important. Yeah, you are Generally you're a general forever, an important cog. So mind you, I spent Tuesday scrolling a little bit, little doom scrolling on X and all the Ukraine flags were out again,

Starting point is 00:43:18 all the Ukraine flags. And they're like, oh, oh, Curry, Hostov, in quotes, no agenda, who never even played the full Victoria Nuland call. I'm like, dude, we played the whole five minutes so many times. You never put it in context. So, and that was one of those... You know, we're the only... I want to... since you... Part of the theme here is tooting our own horn, which is somewhat repulsive, but at the same time necessary once in a while. I will mention we're the only podcast

Starting point is 00:43:56 that I know of to this day that ever played the Sandy Hook 911 call. Oh, really? We're one of the only ones? I think we're the only one. So moving on. Just mentioning in its entirety. So we played, yes we played when that Newland thing came out, we played the whole thing. It went on forever. So I respond to this guy or whatever, John Smith 52960.

Starting point is 00:44:25 So you already know what that is. You know what that is. Is it a bot? Is it just a troll? I have my thoughts. Then all of a sudden all the Ukraine flags come out and they start attacking and you have to look at this and haven't you seen how this and literally like,

Starting point is 00:44:39 oh, look at what's happening to Lawrence Southern. She took Russian money. You're right, you're Putin propaganda. So when this happens, like, okay. Now we know at this very moment, NATO is incredibly afraid of Trump coming in, pulling the plug. They wanna keep the money moving, the war machine.

Starting point is 00:44:57 And Trump has a different war machine strategy in his mind as far as we're concerned for China. And it's going to be great for our economy big beautiful ships We're gonna have star shields all kinds of stuff, but it's not gonna be NATO and it's not gonna be for Ukraine so they're out there trying to work the networks and Influence the influencers the very same thing I'll put Glenn Beck in there too all of these people who are clickbait like old media who need to appease their audience to keep them spun up with whatever they're spun up about

Starting point is 00:45:29 but they're being spun up too and they're being I think influenced and it's from people like Flynn who go this is a general who was going on to info wars to do this. The advent of World War three, we are in the midst of it. The exchange of nuclear, very provocative nuclear capable weapons have already been, have already occurred. Alex has done an amazing job over these last couple of weeks. Amazing job Alex, great job. And I know we, you know, I've talked about this, talking about the shift in Russia's nuclear policy, talking about first use. And I want people to, you know, he asked me prior about Secretary Austin and what Secretary

Starting point is 00:46:10 Austin's comments were. And I think that, you know, what Putin did when he fired this missile, he gave what I call the ultimate warning, the ultimate warning message from Vladimir Putin to not to Ukraine but to the West to say hey folks look we are not I have a responsibility now put my my feet which I've had to do for my entire military career was to put my feet into the boots of our enemies okay so my my analysis of where President Putin is at is he's got to sit there with his own people and say we are going to protect the sovereignty of our country.

Starting point is 00:46:49 We are going to protect the safety and security of our citizenry. And I can't allow a nuclear capable offensive provocative weapon to be fired into Russia without some type of response without some type of adjustment in my military and in my political, my diplomatic posture. So this guy is one of these military people who is spreading this war fear mongering stuff, just like the grid's going to go down, there will be no election, like McGregor, another ex-military guy. And if you look since 2011, really since the 70s, but 2011, the Defense Agency Research

Starting point is 00:47:29 Project has funded multiple studies about social media and strategic communication. And so that's when I see these Ukraine flags come out. This is military operations and they influence people and I don't want to say they're weak brothers and sisters but they are and they're all they are they are totally they're all and this is the influencers this is the creators and we only need to go back to the State Department with Hillary Clinton to be reminded why Smith-Munt was basically scrapped in 2012 under Obama. I mean the old days of, you know, radio free Europe and getting and beaming in

Starting point is 00:48:10 accurate information into the homes of Russians, we should be doing everything we can now online to replicate that. It will be very difficult for Putin to plug all the holes in that dike. Information going into Russia about what Putin is actually doing with this unprovoked attack on Ukraine can keep people energized. And I think that's something that we should be doing, as I say, both through our government but also individuals who have the capacity to do that. Our tech companies should not be aiding Russia in this attack in any way.

Starting point is 00:48:46 They should be aiding those who are standing for freedom, which after all is something that they're supposed to be on the side of. So a lot of this came out of the State Department. It had a name and Victoria Nuland, when she was the spokes whole, told us about it. The Baltic countries, Poland, a number of our Eastern European allies have long experience with responding to disinformation on the part of Russia. Are we coordinating that effort in any way? Absolutely, Senator. I think you know the State Department's global engagement center, which you all helped us stand up and supported, works 24‑7 with other allies and partners, not just in Europe but around

Starting point is 00:49:28 the world to bring to light Russian disinformation campaigns and who is pushing them. We also work with the tech companies. Work with the tech companies, of course. It's not the censorship industrial complex is the cover. That's the car. It's not about censoring people. That's so we can all go nuts. They just shadow banning me.

Starting point is 00:49:52 No one gives a crap. It's about using the networks to actually... You said this so best. The internet only made it easier for the propaganda. It didn't make it so we'll all have bitter information. No, it made it so that influencers and creators are getting all this stuff. I think tech companies are actually

Starting point is 00:50:15 heeding some of these accounts to bubble them to the top. It's the opposite, which shows what Mike Benz is really about. He's always talking about, oh, the censorship industrial complex, the State Department's global engagement center. It wasn't about censorship. It was about propagandizing us. As we-

Starting point is 00:50:34 This is Lumpkin in 2018 from the State Department's global engagement center. As we work the data piece, it gives us the ability, instead of just throwing a message out and hope it lands, we can actually, I call that kind of meat cleaver messaging. As you throw it out there, and hopefully it hits the right audience. As we have the ability, and I'll use an example of something we've started this year, and this is using Facebook ads.

Starting point is 00:51:03 I can go within Facebook, I can go grab an audience. I can, I'll give a hypothetical. I can pick country X, I need age group 13 to 34, I need people who've liked, you know, whether it's Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi or any other set, and I can shoot and hit them directly with messages for in some places in the world it's literally pennies a click to do so you add the ability to actually manage and identify and see your audience based on

Starting point is 00:51:37 their social media yeah you know preferences does it get any better than that the entire advertising system is set up for our own government to Propagandize exactly who they want. So let me get some damn Bongino listeners or viewers. I can get them right with advertising tools. Here's Tom Schenker of the New York Times from 2011 talking about the US military doing this. Yeah, it certainly did. What the American military intelligence can do is forge the watermarks or certification, if you will, of official al-Qaeda postings because they don't want people going online and pretending to be them, but you know, American cyber technology is so advanced that they can have a near perfect recreation of an al-Qaeda

Starting point is 00:52:23 message. And what they're doing from time to time is going onto jihadi websites and posting conflicting and contradictory orders, statements that raise doubt about who the jihadi should follow and who's really in charge and is this person still alive, are they still in control? And the goal is to really disrupt the entire network by sowing distrust and dissent and confusion. We've been told that they've had some great successes at that. Yes, right here in America, great successes with it by sowing distrust and confusion amongst Americans. Final clip, yes.

Starting point is 00:53:03 And before you wrap it with the final clip this all harkens back to the note that that dumb wife of that one of our producers left on the back door. Yes. Yes. It's all sides. It's all sides. And we all fall in love with these, oh this guy's great he says exactly what I think. Yeah, of course. That's his or her business model. And meanwhile, they're getting everything from the audience capture. Man, how many trolls and spooks and are actually military people doing their business? Because in 2011, the State Department already had 7,000 of them working

Starting point is 00:53:45 on this stuff. We spend nearly $70 million a year on these programs both in Iran and around the world. At the same time, we're also developing and distributing new technologies, more than 20 of them, to empower activists around the globe to access uncensored content on the internet and to communicate with each other and to tell their stories. And to date we've funded the training of more than 7,500 activists around the world in these programs. So the old model of the spooks and the spokes holes going on to CNN, MSNBC, whatever, to give you the messaging is over.

Starting point is 00:54:33 It's now online, it's on social media networks, and the creators are being boosted, maybe even boosted to make sure they do get a lot of money. Hey, wait a minute. This message I'm spreading right now is really working. I should not stop doing that. And then when you have the largest, one of the largest government contractors, certainly for military, buying a social media network, you've just got to consider what's going on.

Starting point is 00:55:04 And your no agenda show is not part of that model because we're struggling. 17 years and we are not millionaires from this business because we've never played that. We've never cared about it and we're not in the right system. This is why everyone, oh, if you want a podcast, you've got to be on YouTube. Of course, because they have algorithms that can be boosted if you got the right message. Let's give these guys a little boost, either through 7,000 people liking them. I don't know what they're doing. The last four years of this show that we're facing now are going to be interesting.

Starting point is 00:55:42 It's going to be very interesting to see how people fall into what they believe is truth because it's not from the mainstream media and it's coming from their favorite creators. That's a good one. It just dawned on me. It's like, wow, this is happening. And it's going to be interesting to watch. See, I had this right 30 plus years ago. The internet should have been shuttered immediately.

Starting point is 00:56:15 Shut it down right away. It's no good. It's too late. It's way too late. It's, and then when you hear, you know, like this, you fall, I'm, I'm sure you're not following Romania, I mean, why would we? But Romania now has yet another far-right populist. And how did he do it? Gee, I don't know. Pricing results that we can see with a far- right independent candidate, Keline Giorgescu arriving first. And he's now followed by Elena Lascone.

Starting point is 00:56:48 She's the candidate of the progressive liberal USR party. She mainly gathered the votes of pro-European voters, but also undecided voters. Keline Giorgescu, on the other hand, was not expected to reach the runoff. He was credited with about 7% of votes maximum by the polls before the elections happened. This is a surprise, but many analysts are saying that the power of social media, especially TikTok has been largely underestimated.

Starting point is 00:57:27 And so when you read that Trump is going to credential creators, YouTubers, and podcasters to be in the press briefing, what do you think that's about? It's obvious. It's the new way to get, and Trump gets it. Like you got to bring, and these are all, hey man, if I got invited to the White House for anything, I'd be like, wow, this is cool. Yeah, well that's like, remember they brought the,

Starting point is 00:57:56 years ago, started with bloggers, they brought the bloggers to the convention, the Democrat or Republican, oh, there's a bunch of bloggers, the bloggers in there. But the bloggers, the convention, the Democrat or Republican, because there's always a bunch of bloggers, the bloggers are there. But the bloggers, see this is the difference. Well, they gave way to the podcasters. Hold on. Bloggers got no juice and they got no juice. That's why the social, I mean, when Twitter started, it was RSS feed based,

Starting point is 00:58:19 actually, and that's why it failed all the time. But it was the algorithm that heats stuff up to the top that made it interesting so that somebody could go viral. Your ego kicks in, your greed kicks in. Now you're wide open. Hey, come to the White House. Yeah, I'll post whatever you want. Trump, you rock.

Starting point is 00:58:37 Clinton, Obama, whatever. You rock. Podcasters, we have no algorithm. So there's no way for us to be go viral or go to the top that's why these social networks are the key to the propaganda to the messaging this is how it works it's so human like if all of a sudden you're doing a hundred million views like I got to do more of this yes no you're get a hundred million views on something. You, you,

Starting point is 00:59:06 you have to assume you're a genius. Well, no doubt. I really know I'm that good. I'm that good. So, uh, clearly we need to have a no agenda reporter, uh, at the white house and we're going to, we're someone. Someone, because it's in DC, we probably thought DC girl would be the good one to get credentialed. Well she got DC in her name. She does. So she should be our no agenda representative in the briefing room. I mean it makes so much

Starting point is 00:59:39 sense. This is, and you're right, it's goodbye to the, say goodbye to the old boss, hello to the new boss, is the exact same thing. And when you step out of your line, when you're not doing it right, then all of a sudden your views are going to drop. It's so obvious. And I'm not even accusing Elon Musk of doing anything nefarious. I mean, they just go in, use the advertising system, who do I need to target? Okay, let me get some Megan Kelly people here. All right, I'll just select all of them. Click, click, click. I'm going to start making some noise that I think is important. Bubble that to the top. It's perfect. It's a perfect system. It's a giant scam.

Starting point is 01:00:25 And we're not a part of it. Somehow we've missed every single huge money by making opportunity in the lifetime of the show. Yeah, but the problem is it's a double-edged sword. With us, at least we have a baseline of consistency. Even though people say we're inconsistent, that's not true. We're extremely consistent in the way we look at things. We are pretty much apolitical.

Starting point is 01:00:50 People don't want to accept that because, you know, we don't, didn't like Harris. I think we can both agree on that. She was just a phony. She's no good. She was, I have my thoughts on it, which even more extreme. And, uh, you're a California boy. That's why you're out there. You know, you know, the story, you know, the background. And so they, uh, in fact, we, Mimi was always mentioned we would run into her and Willie Brown at Starz

Starting point is 01:01:21 restaurant quite a few times. Yes. Yes. You have mentioned this. And I bumped and I've talked to him. He's a, he's a close talker. Another one of those. Ooh, does he spit or just? No, I didn't get any of that, but he's a close talker and he, I've run into a lot of close talkers over the years.

Starting point is 01:01:39 It's always like you keep very slowly trying to back up and it's just like you can't do it. And by the way, just to show you how rampant this corruption is, I mean, this is a very short clip and it's really there's gambling going on, but the ongoing feud between Drake and Kendrick Lamar, Kendrick Lamar, they're doing these diss tracks back and forth like, hey man, you're not a part

Starting point is 01:02:02 of the culture Drake, because you're a Canadian, first of all, you're part Jewish, you're half white, so you're not part of the culture, you need to shut up. And now Drake is like, well, hold on a second, someone's playing, not playing fair. A heated feud between two popular rappers is now turning into a legal battle. Drake has filed a lawsuit against Universal Music Group, or UMG, claiming it falsely inflated the popularity of Kendrick Lamar's song, Not Like Us. Lamar released the single back in May as a diss track against Drake. According to Spotify, the song has more than 900 million streams, but Drake's suit argues that UMG used bots and launched

Starting point is 01:02:41 a pay-to-play scheme to increase those numbers and make the song go viral. UMG denies the claims. It's also worth noting Drake is currently represented by Republic Records, which is a division of UMG. Yes, there's gambling going on. Of course, it's the same mechanism. We want this feud to keep going, so now we're gonna boost him and then we'll... Well, yeah, there's all... you know, I don't, by the way, I'm not following any of this. I don't care about it. I think it's dumb. But the fact that there's a kind of one company is owned by the other and they're suing each other but it's not really... it's a phony, baloney deal like the fact that Taylor Swift has the same basic agent that Kelsey has.

Starting point is 01:03:27 So running through the same sports agency. Yeah. It's wrestling. It's wrestling. Yes. It's, yes. And by the way, there's, there's Dana White with Trump saying, this is all because of my great fighters. I mean, the great podcasters.

Starting point is 01:03:40 It's literally the wrestling guy talking about his, you know, it's not really his stable, but talking about the players in the game. You know? And Joe Rogan works for him. Yes. It's the players in the game. Not, I'm not saying that Joe is phony because he's obviously not. No, Joe is not, he's obviously not phony.

Starting point is 01:04:03 Obviously not. He's just a naturally, you know, I've watched him on and off and I have to say, he's a good comedian. He's not super A-class, but he's good. He's a good comedian. He knows what he's doing. He's a good actor when he was acting. He's a great host.

Starting point is 01:04:22 He's done a lot of TV. He is a tremendously good commentator on UFC. And conversationalist. He's a great conversationalist. And a fabulous conversationalist. Not an interviewer either. No, no. But then people come on his show, because they're doing the rounds, or they're bubbling under, or there's something interesting, and he's just talking and they're throwing out the messaging. He's probably the most talented guy that

Starting point is 01:04:55 has been around for a long time. In fact, he's probably underpowered. Now, there's a way to look at it. He needs more flavor crystals. He's underpowered. By underpowered I mean he could be at, you know, George Clooney level of celebrity. Easy, but he's... I think he may be that level if you think about it. I think in a subtext he is, but not in a worldwide sense that Clooney is let's say. You'd be surprised how many people around the world know Joe Rogan.

Starting point is 01:05:32 The fact that I'm saying what I'm saying indicates that he's not at the Clooney level. Close though, I think he's close. He needs a tequila, he needs a tequila brand then he'll really knock it out of the park. It's not like for example, his picture's not showing up in the gossip rags. No, no. Well, it's because he doesn't play that game. He doesn't play that game. No, he doesn't.

Starting point is 01:05:53 Kaluni plays that game. But that's what I'm saying. He's underpowered. Yes. Yeah, okay. And I think he likes it that way. I bet. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:06:01 Yeah. Who the hell needs the other aggravation? Tell me about it. I have two clips, quick ones, which is just kind of fun because, again, because you mentioned you brought up Kamala and, and they're still trying to figure out what happened. I don't understand what happened. Well, no one wanted her. And the most important,

Starting point is 01:06:26 important thing you can have in today's world is authenticity. And that's why President Trump going on Rogan and talking for three hours, people could sit there and make up their own minds. It was that easy. No one can talk for three hours and be cagey and couched and not show their true personality. So they're still trying to figure it out.

Starting point is 01:06:47 And they have this woman on, this is Pod Save America, who are supposed to be the people who got Kamala elected because they're podcasters. It was a podcast election, wasn't it? How come you didn't do your job, Pod Save America? Aren't you the number one podcast? This is Jen O'Malley-Dillon, who was the campaign chair. This is a series of great clips. I would say, I mean, look, I am not a media hater by any measure.

Starting point is 01:07:19 And I think that- I'm not a media hater, but it was the media's fault. We women don't get far in life talking about double standards. So that's not the point. The media is misogynist now. I do think a narrative, 107 days, two weeks f***ed up because of a hurricane, two weeks talking about how she didn't do interviews, which she was doing plenty, but we were doing in our own way.

Starting point is 01:07:43 We had to be the nominee, we had to find a running mate and do a rollout. I mean, there was all these things that you kind of want to factor in. But real people heard in some way that we were not going to have interviews, which was both not true. Real people like CNN, MSNBC, all of your real people were saying this. And also so counter to any kind of standard that was put on Trump that I think that was a problem. And then on top of that, we would do an interview. And to Stephanie's point, here's the best part.

Starting point is 01:08:17 The questions were small and processy and about like dumb. She is actually claiming that these obvious softball, lame, lame interviews, that they didn't want that. And it was the media who decided to do that, all of their own accord. And they, I mean, this is very hard to believe. They were not in short. in well hold on a couple things I've just just there's her buddy. That's also there says dumb. She throws a word dumb and twice actually Yeah, and it was pointed out on by the Fox folk Brett bear had her on it. She'd only do 21 minutes period and they and they were cut

Starting point is 01:09:02 They were jumping supposedly behind the scenes. Bear talked about this. They told her to cut it off, cut it off, you gotta stop, you gotta stop, you gotta get off the stage. They were late to the interview to begin with. This is bull crap. She's just a liar. Small and processy and about like dumb. They they were not informing another point she uses the word process see if you noticed yes they were small and process see what she meant by that was they were asking her how to questions in other words the process he means well what are you gonna do to stop inflation well what are you gonna do to end the war well what are you gonna do to what are you going to do to stop inflation? Well, what are you going to do to end the war? Well, what are you going to do? What are you going to do to do this and that? That's pro that's what she means by

Starting point is 01:09:50 process. And those are questions they didn't want to answer. No, of course not because she had no answers. Small and processy and about like, they were not informing a voter who was trying to listen to learn more or to understand. And I'm not here to say that, you know, the whole system was focused on us incorrectly. I'm just saying like, again, of the things we need to explore as we move forward as a campaign and as a country.

Starting point is 01:10:19 From our viewpoint, actually, this is quite interesting because our take has always been that the system wanted Trump to win. So it is entirely possible that she's telling the truth from her perspective and that the whole system was geared toward getting Trump to win by doing this purposely against their wishes. Seems hard to believe, but it is a possibility. That does a disservice to voters. And I think back and think we should have signaled more of our strategy early on

Starting point is 01:10:48 about podcasts and who we were trying to reach. But we had a limited amount of time to reach the people who were trying to reach and we were trying to go to them. But being up against a narrative that we weren't doing anything or we were afraid to have interviews is completely bullsh** and also like took hold a little bit. And we just gave us another thing we had to fight back for that Trump never had to worry about. And they were unfair towards Trump again going towards our basic thesis. Now the the money shot question

Starting point is 01:11:15 of course is about the appearance on the Rogan show. This is where she falls apart and just lies. Should Kamala Harris have gone on Rogan? Can you just not to be tedious about it, could you talk a little bit about how close you came to doing it, why it didn't happen? Yeah, there's a lot of intrigue around this, a lot of theories. It's pretty simple. We wanted to do it. I hate to repeat this over and over, but it was a very short race with a limited number of days and for a candidate to leave the battleground to

Starting point is 01:11:51 go to Houston, which is what did you hear what she said to leave the battleground to go to Houston, it's not a Houston. No, no. Listen, you'll hear it in a second. Houston, which is a day off the playing field in the battleground. You know, getting that timing right is really important. So we had discussions with Joe Rogan's team. I love the team part.

Starting point is 01:12:22 It's one guy, Matt, one guy who answers the phone. Hello, it's Matt. Oh, you want to go on Joe? Well, here. Yeah, we can do this. Sure. When you want to do it. Well, you only want to do one hour. No, that's not the four you don't want to do it in his studio. No, no, we do everything in the studio and it's open at least three hours. So talking with his team is a lie. They were great. They wanted us to come on. They it's he's not three hours. So talking with his team is a lie. They were great.

Starting point is 01:12:46 They wanted us to come on. They, it's a, he's not they them. It's a he, it's Matt. It's not they them. Great, they wanted us to come on. We wanted to come on. We tried to get a date to make it work. And ultimately we just weren't able to find a date.

Starting point is 01:13:00 We did go to Houston and she gave a great speech at an amazing event. The Beyonce event? Yes, well I'm going to call it Reproductive Freedom. There you go. So they chose the Reproductive Freedom event with Beyonce over Rogan. That's it. They thought that that would play better with the audience. That was the decision they made. And they could have done it. They're in Texas. Hop, skip, and a jump, you could have popped right down, but no.

Starting point is 01:13:27 Because- Yeah, you can take a puddle jumper. Because they had a private jet. They did not, they were afraid that she would, as we say in Holland, in the old country, this is how during the month fall out. She would fall out of the bottom of the basket. I know.

Starting point is 01:13:44 It's another great Dutchism, isn't it? You think I'm the millionaire, I'm glad you have a long, at the tip of your tongue. I want to play two clips that are pretty obscure, but it's James Carville who's been on everything. Because he was right about everything. Well, he was wrong about it. He's the one who got by him and Axelrodder,

Starting point is 01:14:04 the two guys that were part of the system, which included Pelosi and Schumer and others, and George Clooney, who's now hiding, hiding, hiding, yes, to get rid of Biden. And he was part of it. He's the only one that's still talking. The rest of them all shut up and they took off. But this is on an obscure podcast, somebody sent it to me. And I want to play these two clips because it refers to this woman and here we go. I think you play some of that blame on the Harris High Command. I love that scene in the movie The Graduate where he says, Benjamin, one word son, one word, plastics.

Starting point is 01:14:39 Plastics. One word, audit. So I have people that are contacting me to run for DNCHA. I promise you I'm not going to get in the middle of that. Wait, what is he saying? You have to give me some... I can't even hear the context of what he's talking about. He said the one word he wants, like the word plastics in the movie, was audit. He wants to audit. He's sitting there steaming in his own juices about the fact that they spent, he has numbers that are higher. He claims they squandered 2.5 billion, 2.5 billion, not 2 billion, not 1 billion, 2.5. And he's demanding an audit.

Starting point is 01:15:17 He thinks that this is just the whole campaign was just a giant money laundering scheme. Well, how about this? Everybody was on the money train and it was like, yeah, yeah, I'll do the podcast with you. Give me $500,000. We'll build a really nice set. Now, this brings us, you can play this clip.

Starting point is 01:15:39 We continue the clip. Yeah, you want to play the clip? Okay, go ahead. Well, no, this brings us to the, as this starts to be revealed, that's why the audit would be interesting, is that our buddy, the Rev, picked up $500,000 to interview her on MSNBC. This is MSNBC, who I complained about over and over again, but MSNBC is obviously one of the most corrupt news operations out of NBC that the nation has. You don't give somebody a half a million dollars

Starting point is 01:16:14 to put them on and interview them with a softball interview that, which is exactly what happened. By the way, the No Agenda Show is very open to this kind of operation. Yeah, we'll take that. Yeah, we'll take that. Yeah, we'll, yeah this kind of operation. Yeah, we'll take that. Yeah, we'll take that.

Starting point is 01:16:28 Yeah, we're good. Don't worry about it, boys. One word, audit. So I have people that are contacting me to run for DNC Shabb. I promise you I'm not going to get in the middle of that. Anybody, and I don't have a vote or I don't have an opinion, no one cares, but I would say the policy number one is we're going to audit everything. We're going to audit the campaign, we're going to audit Future Forward, we're going to audit

Starting point is 01:16:52 the DMC. So people can know. But I'm telling you, without complete transparency, the campaign, we think, raised $1.5 billion. We know that Future Forward, the last we saw was 900 million. So we can assume that they got to a billion before election. That's two and a half freaking billion dollars. Do you have any idea where that money went? Does anybody have any idea where that money went? I mean, I have some places I started looking and it's all Albert, I promise you this, the amount of money and the amount of lobbyists

Starting point is 01:17:27 that were involved in this campaign is staggering. It's staggering. Well, talk more about that, James, because that's not what the Democrats are supposed to be. So we had this discussion that we thought when Harris was asked the money question, would you have done anything different than Biden? I thought, and I think you did too, but I'll let you speak for yourself. She just froze.

Starting point is 01:17:54 She just, I want to be loyal to Biden. I just can't bring myself to her side, which was a very bad answer, but an understandably human answer. So then, sorry, Stephanie Cutter and she goes on Pod Save America. No, that was by design. And the reason she gave didn't even make any sense. Oh, oh, okay. Who's Stephanie Cutter? That's the woman that was you were playing in Pod Save America.

Starting point is 01:18:21 No, that's not Stephanie Cutter. That's someone else. No, the woman that she was in that group. Oh, okay. Okay. I think she may have been the one who said dumb. Dumb. Okay.

Starting point is 01:18:31 Okay. Okay. So that was by design. It's all part of the same. That this is the echelon that he's bitching about. So let's go to part two. All right. So Stephanie Cutter owns a firm called Precision Strategies, who General

Starting point is 01:18:44 Bally Dillon used to work for. That much we know. All right? And we think we know that they got a lot of the buy. I don't know, but there has to be an audit. Oh, so a lot of the money went to PodSave America? No, no, they're talking about this strategies company that Kamala hired and he says they got a lot of the buy.

Starting point is 01:19:06 Oh, so they got a percentage of the advertising buys. Right, when you got a piece of the buys where you're the advertising agency and you're doling, you've got all this money, you're throwing it out there because you're getting 10% of it. Yeah, so she's, I think it's 15. I think agency fee is 15. Okay, it could be 15, it could be 20 by now. But whatever it is, the more you spend, the more you make.

Starting point is 01:19:27 So you have to get rid of this money. So they were throwing money away to get money. That's great. That's what he wanted the audit for and that's what he's bitching about. And I think that's exactly what happened. They had these, there was just too much. They got up, if you remember when Kamala first got nominated, as it were, if you want to call it that,

Starting point is 01:19:49 they picked up like almost a billion dollars on the spot. Right away, yeah, it was in the kitty. And so they had all of a sudden, it's a bonanza. You're sitting there on a pile of money, and then you notice that you're sending out these messages to everybody two or three times a day, begging them for more money, to get all these little old ladies to throw their $50 in. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:20:09 And people who can't afford to donate, donating. And you're sitting on all this money. You've got to get rid of this money as fast as you can to make the money on the buy. This is a giant money laundering operation for all practical purposes. What do you make, and I have a minute 15 of it, what do you make of the reason for Kamala Harris's obviously drunk message to be put out there? Is this more sabotage of her as a human being? Somebody's, the theory, based on what I was watching, because I've seen this thing played

Starting point is 01:20:44 and played and played, I don't know if we have it or not. Yeah, I have a minute 15. Let's discuss right now. Once you play it, then we can talk about it. And it means so much to me and to Governor Walz that you knocked on doors, you called friends, you called in favors, you said,

Starting point is 01:20:59 hey, you know I showed up to trick your softball game, now I need you to show up at the campaign office. By the way, anybody who has been in a bar after 2 a.m. knows this person. I mean, this is not even questionable at this point. Showed up a trick, you softball game. Now I need you to show up at the campaign office. You put in the time, it was personal for you.

Starting point is 01:21:24 And you gave all that you could to support our campaign. Because of your efforts, get this, we raised an historic $1.4 billion, almost $1.5 billion. Again, I'll say, you know, the election didn't turn out like we wanted it to, certainly not as we planned for it to. But understand that the work we put into it was about empowering people. That's the spirit with work we did. I just have to remind you,

Starting point is 01:21:55 don't you ever let anybody take your power from you. You have the same power that you did before November 5th and you have the same purpose that you did before November 5th and you have the same purpose that you did and you have the same ability to engage and inspire. So don't ever let anybody or any circumstance take your power from you. That is the most drunk rant I've ever said. Hey man, don't let them take your power. Don't let them take your power from you, man. Ever. You've got power.

Starting point is 01:22:31 So why would the, Megan McCain reposted this herself with the note on Twitter saying, take this down. This is a, a humiliation went on and on about it. It was quite an interesting post by her telling them to take this down, as I guess Meghan McCain voted for. But yeah, this is a sabotage move. This is the leftover people that, or the Democrats themselves, it's because she threatened to run for governor.

Starting point is 01:22:59 Yes. Yes. Yeah. I think that might have been, you know, we can't have this going on. We've got to take her down right away. Hey, Kamala, just say what's on your heart into the camera here. I believe that's what happened. It's a sabotage move and she's too dumb to know.

Starting point is 01:23:20 Sabotage. I mean, she's dumb. She's a dummy. Yeah. But I have another dummy who just, I could not believe. You know, sometimes these old time Hollywood celebrities, they think, oh, I'm in Italy, so it doesn't really matter what I say. Oh, this is the most pathetic thing that you're going to play, Sharon Stone. And this is a pathetic, I mean, Sharon Stone, there's one other one too.

Starting point is 01:23:49 Alec Baldwin, but I'm not interested in him. No, Baldwin's no good, but Sharon Stone's rant here is probably as pathetic as they get. I have some thoughts on it after you play it, maybe. You know, Italy has seen fascism. Italy has seen these things. You guys, you understand what happens. You have seen this before.

Starting point is 01:24:21 My country is in its adolescence. Okay, can you stop it for a second and start backing up a little bit? Of course. You should know that, I'm going to give you a Sharon Stone story. She used to live in the Bay Area. Well, then you happen to know her ex-husband slash boyfriend. Yeah. Okay.

Starting point is 01:24:37 Bronstein. Phil. Phil. So, they used their best, their restaurant of choice for years was Florida Lee. Where you and I have been many a time for lunch. Yeah, it's because the chef's a friend of mine. It's gone now. Is it gone now?

Starting point is 01:24:56 Is it gone? Is it still there? Oh, it's long gone. He moved to Vegas. I can't even get a hold of him. He's the one who wrote the Ford for the... Of course not. He wrote the Ford for too many eggs dot com.

Starting point is 01:25:04 Oh, oh, that's nice. Hubert Keller. Yeah. Yeah. And, uh, he wrote the forward like, like forwards are typically written. John, can you write the forward and I'll sign it? I'm not reading this book. I'll just sign it. I like Mimi. She's cool. So, uh, so I talked to this couple of the wait staff there. But cause they would, they, they would call Sharon so would call and demand a table at any given spot where there were reservation with the places filled or not.

Starting point is 01:25:35 And they'd always accommodate them. They're very accommodating. Of course. The guy says to me, he says the problem was, this is a good story time, Uncle John. I don't think. And I'm reminded of that story. It could be bull crap. This is just a story I was told.

Starting point is 01:25:56 Maybe she was sober as a judge all the time. I don't see no evidence of it, but I get the sense that she was in the same bag that Kamala was in when she gave this little talk here in Italy. And Italy is a place where they got good wine. What happens? You have seen this before. My country is in its adolescence. Adolescence is very arrogant. Adolescence thinks it knows everything. Adolescence is naive and ignorant and arrogant and we are in our ignorant arrogant adolescence. We haven't seen this before in our country so Americans who don't travel

Starting point is 01:26:40 Who 80% don't have a passport? We're stupid! Who are uneducated? We're uneducated! Are in their extraordinary naivete. Naivete. We're naivete. What I can say is that the only way that we can help with these issues is to help each other. No. Now, we can't just say that women should help women because that's the only way we have survived so far. We must say that good men must help good men and those good men must be very aware that

Starting point is 01:27:20 a lot of your friends are not good men. Hold on a second. let me get this right. So John, you and I have to help each other, but we have to be aware that one of us may not be a good man. Yeah. I'm worried. And you can't continue to pretend. Isn't this kind of like a unburdened

Starting point is 01:27:41 by what has been speech here? It's really bad. There's more. Are good men when they are not good men. Few good men. And you must be very clear minded and understand that your friends who are not good men are dangerous, violent men. Oh. And you have to keep them away from your daughters, your wives, and your girlfriends. Because this is a time when we can no longer look away

Starting point is 01:28:16 when bad men are bad. Boy, this is like the worst thing. This is like some sort of a virus, this word salad thing. I want to like her so much. I want to like the old Cher. A lot of people defended her because they, I think they've always liked her early acting when she was a very good looking lady. She was a, my producer on the old software hard talk used to go to high school with her.

Starting point is 01:28:47 Yeah. And she said that she was well known and it was in Pennsylvania. Yes, she is from Pennsylvania. She has a well known round heels in the high school. Round heels? Yeah, you can figure that out yourself. That's as far as I'll go with it, but Sharon Stone is quite the personality.

Starting point is 01:29:11 Oh, I just looked it up. Okay. It's offensive slang, by the way. Offensive slang is what you use there. Uh-huh. The, I will say, the phrase alludes to the heels of a woman's shoes becoming rounded to her frequently falling backward. Wow. This is very old English. And that's the term that she used when she described it. Speaking of great words. Next the word of the year.

Starting point is 01:29:39 According to dictionary.com, it's demure. It's defined as characterized by shyness or reserved Demure went viral over the summer when TikTok creator Jules Lebron used the phrase very demure very mindful in her videos oh yes boy thanks mainstream media thank you demure very demure, beautiful. It's beautiful. All right. Do something on this. Since we talked about Joe, you brought in, you were said to one of our producers, I have the best clips of Joe Rogan with Mark Andreessen. Can I tell my Mark Andreessen story?

Starting point is 01:30:19 I have one too, but go ahead. No, you start first. Well, my story is not as interesting as yours is gonna be because you got your stories after he became, I think a VC probably. No, no, my story is before he became a VC. Oh, my story is before he became a VC too. Here's what happened.

Starting point is 01:30:38 So I had condemned one of the, and I got to think of his name, one of the... Partners? Jim Barksdale. It was Jim Barksdale. Boom! I had condemned him because I had offered him a ride at some event and the way he shrugged me off was extremely insulting. And so I kind of wrote it up in one of my columns. That I, you know, it's what you do. Jim's bark, Jim Barksdale, very wealthy man had this very famous yacht.

Starting point is 01:31:12 Yeah. And he's got a, he's a southerner, Southern drawl, he's a gentleman. Yeah. And so I wrote this thing up about Barksdale being an asshole. As one does in the turn the other cheek world of John C. DeVorek. It was, you know, it was done in a way that was, it was okay. It wasn't like I was, you know, I was just pointing out what happened. And so they all, it was a big fuss.

Starting point is 01:31:38 And so they had to have it. And where did you write, wait a minute, what magazine was this for? PC Magazine, the big boy. Oh boy, oh boy. You have meddled with the primal forces of nature, Mr. Dvorak. And so I had to have a sit down with Barksdale and Andres had showed up to it and it was a sit down at Florida Lee of all places once again. It's like a nexus for a lot of stuff. That's great, that's great. So we had a dinner there and we talked and it was,

Starting point is 01:32:05 he was like, it was a misunderstanding and all the rest of it. It was a good dinner. I thought you were trying to run me over. I didn't understand. You were trying to give me a ride. It was just, it was a, but Andreessen was there and Andreessen,

Starting point is 01:32:19 which when he had hair, he had actually had hair. I don't know if you'd met him when he had hair. No. But he had hair. He didn't look like an egg. Elon had hair at one point too, but not for long. Elon's got hair. He has a rug, are you kidding me? That's plugs.

Starting point is 01:32:37 Well, at least he's got hair, it's hair though. Andreessen's bald now. Yes, yeah. So when he had hair and it was like, I'm gonna start, and Andreessen was very red, he was like a, he was a shy guy. And when he became a loud mouth venture capitalist, I just said, wow, I didn't know he had it in him. And you know, and he's like, yeah, there's a lot of stories about Andreessen. I've got others, but so that's when I first met him. That was some, when he was

Starting point is 01:33:03 still at Netscape. So we'll play the clips and then I will before the IPO, I believe we'll play the clips and then I will tell you. I will tell everybody my Mark Andreessen story. So what are we listening to here? This is on Drogen. We don't play that many Rogan clips, but this is a good one. This is news to me and it was news to Rogan.

Starting point is 01:33:26 You didn't know about this? About the debanking of 30 venture capital funded companies? Yeah, I knew about this. I did not know about this. All right, here we go. And then my favorite twist is we have this thing called independent federal agencies. So for example, we have this thing called the Consumer Finance Protection Bureau, CFPB this thing called the consumer finance protection bureau CFPB, which was the sort of Elizabeth Warren's.

Starting point is 01:33:47 Stop the clip for a second. When I met Mark Andreessen at the Florida, he wasn't a fast talker. I know. I know that's kind of fast talking thing. Silicon Valley venture capital nonsense. It's milieu. Milieu. It's milieu. Of course. The cheek is to control. You gotta do a lot of this. Yeah, he's sniffing a lot.

Starting point is 01:34:14 We should do this a lot. I actually had to cut a couple of them out of the clip. Oh, that's too bad. Independent agency that just gets to run and do whatever it wants right and if you read the Constitution like there is no such thing as independent I'm just thinking fast talking does that remind you of anything an agency and yet there it is what is never okay you I know what you're hinting at but he never he doesn't have the other affectations he doesn't got tap his nose. No, he doesn't have any of that.

Starting point is 01:34:45 No, I don't believe that's the... I think it's just maybe too much coffee. Black rifle. Agency do. Whatever she wants. What does it do though? Basically, terrorize financial institutions, prevent new competition.

Starting point is 01:35:00 Whoa, that was a good one, Mark. Buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh. Terrorize financial institutions, prevent new competition. Whoa, that was a good one, Mark. Terrorize financial institutions, prevent new competition, new startups that want to compete with the big banks. Really? Oh yeah, 100%. How so? Just by terrorizing anybody who tries to do anything new in financial services. Can you give me an example? You know, debanking. This is where a lot of the debanking comes from, is these agencies. So, debanking is when you as either a person or your company are literally kicked out of the banking system.

Starting point is 01:35:26 Like they did to Kanye. Exactly. Like they did to Kanye, my partner Ben's father has been debanked. Really? We had an employee. For what? For having the wrong politics. For saying unacceptable things. Under current banking regulations, okay, here's a great thing. Under current banking regulations, after all the reforms of the last 20 years, there's now a category called a politically exposed person, PEP. And if you are a PEP, you are required by financial regulators to kick them off of your, to kick them out of your bank. What?

Starting point is 01:35:53 You're not allowed to have them. What if you're politically on the left? That's fine. No. Because they're not politically exposed. So no one on the left gets debanked? No, I have not heard of a single instance of anyone on the left getting debanked. Can you tell me what the person that you know did, what they said that got them debanked? I have not heard of a single instance of anyone in the left getting debanked. Can you tell me what the person that you know did, what they said that got them debanked?

Starting point is 01:36:07 Oh, well, I mean, David Horowitz is a right wing, you know, he's pro-Trump. I mean, he's said all kinds of things, you know, he's been very anti-Islamic terrorism, he's been very worried about immigration, all these things. And they debanked him for that? Yeah, they debanked him. So you get kicked out of your bank account, you get kicked out of the, you can't do credit card transactions. By the way, you can't run...

Starting point is 01:36:23 How is that legal? Well, exactly. So this is the thing. And so, and then you go to this thing of like, well,'t do credit card transactions. By the way, you can't run. How is that legal? Well, exactly. So this is the thing. And so, and then you go to this thing of like, well, there's no, this is where the government and the companies get intertwined. Back to your fascism point, which is there's no, there's a constitutional amendment that says the government can't restrict your speech, but there's no constitutional amendment that says the government can't debank you.

Starting point is 01:36:40 Yeah. So this was called, I don't know what your second, you want to play the second clip when we talk about it or what? Well, you had something to say? Well, so choke point two point choke point two point. He talks about that in the second clip. Okay. Then they don't have to debank you. They just have to put pressure on the private company banks to do it.

Starting point is 01:36:57 And then the private company banks do it because they're expected to. But the government gets to say, we didn't do it. It was the private company that did it. And of course, JP Morgan can decide who they want to have as customers of course Right is their private company and so it's this is this sleight of hand that happens it So it's basically it's a privatized sanctions regime that lets bureaucrats do to American citizens the same thing that we do to Iran This has been happening to all the crypto entrepreneurs in the last four years This has been happening a lot of the fintech entrepreneurs, anybody trying to start any

Starting point is 01:37:26 kind of new banking service because they're trying to protect the big banks. And then this has been happening, by the way, also in legal fields of economic activity that they don't like. And so a lot of this started about 15 years ago with this thing called Operation Stroke Point where they decided to, as marijuana started to become legal, as prostitution started to become legal, and then guns, which there's always a fight about. Under the Obama administration, they started to de-bank legal marijuana businesses, escort businesses, and then gun shops, just like your gun manufacturers.

Starting point is 01:37:58 And just like you're done, you're out of the banking system. And so if you're running a medical marijuana dispensary in 2012, like you, guess what, you're doing your business all in cash, because you literally can't get a bank account, you can't get a visa terminal, you can't process transactions, you can't do payroll, you can't do direct deposit, you can't get insurance. Like none of that stuff is, you've been sanctioned, right? None of that stuff is available. And then this administration extended that concept to apply it to tech founders, crypto

Starting point is 01:38:22 founders, and then just generally political opponents. So that's been like super pernicious. I wasn't aware of that. Oh, 100%. So it's Operation Shortpoint. 1.0 was 15 years ago against the pot and the guns. Shortpoint 2.0 is primarily against their political enemies and then to their disfavored tech startups.

Starting point is 01:38:41 And it's hit the tech world like we've had like 30 founders debanked in the last four years Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yes, but it's been a big recurring pattern. So Choke point 1.0 actually was there was a document called operation choke point and that we I think we probably even talked about that years ago Yeah, that was mainly the pot shops. I wonder if I have Choke point. Let me see. Yes. Oh, it looks like clips that you had. Let me see. What person's all from Missouri rise? Oh, yes. So there was a whole hearing in Congress about it. I don't think there was ever a document called 2.0, but this man, he's a little disengaged. I'd never heard of the PEPs. So that's something I wasn't familiar with. I don't think there was ever a document called Choke Point 2.0, but in the Bitcoin and as he says, crypto circles, this is really

Starting point is 01:39:34 something that's been discussed around particularly the SEC and Gary Gensler. Because there was such and so yeah, Elizabeth Warren was in there as well. So against crypto, which of course, except for Bitcoin, everything else is what they call a shit coin. It really is no good, in my opinion. These companies and subsequently the people who are running the companies were being debanked because of the danger to the system. And I think there was definitely pressure from the SEC and from Gary Gensler in particular.

Starting point is 01:40:10 And that's why you saw the Bitcoin conference, all this, I would just say pressure on Trump to say two things. One, he will pardon Ross, Silk Road Ross, and two, fire Gary Gensler. That's because of this. But to me, it's more about the, we don't want your fake money to come into our system than about the political stuff. Andres is making it very political here. I'm not sure that's entirely true. Some of it may be true, but I don't think it's entirely true.

Starting point is 01:40:47 I can see that. Now my, uh, well for him, it's, you know, there's a lot of reasons why, uh, Silicon Valley people like Andreessen Horowitz, why they want, uh, Trump, because he, you know, they put a lot of money into his campaign and he was, he said, okay, I'm going to make sure that you're good with your Bitcoin. And here's the key. Your stable coins, your stable coins, because that's going to be the I believe that's going to be the Trump money make money printing system without actually printing money. Because the biggest stable coin is Tether.

Starting point is 01:41:23 It's backed by US treasuries, in fact, and Bitcoin, but Tether buys the biggest buyer of US treasuries right now to back their stablecoin. So you get this company to buy the treasuries, that's your lending. So you already are creating money by doing that. And then you get to bake on top of it an equal amount of stable coin. I have a feeling Trump sees this and somehow that's how he's going to print money without printing money. We'll see. Now my Mark Andreessen story.

Starting point is 01:41:55 We go back to 1993. So this is before your Fleur de Lis meeting, way before your Fleur de Lis meeting. And I have set up MTV..com with a Gopher server. Do we remember the Gopher server? Oh yeah, of course. Not everybody does. But Gopher, I remember seeing my, so this is before the World Wide Web.

Starting point is 01:42:18 Go for this and go for that. Well there's two parts to this story. So I set up- So you met Andreessen when he was still at the university? Let me get to the story. So I set up a Gopher server, which is what blew me away about the internet, is you could have this document, a page of text, and you could say, all right, link here to go to this other server and get their page of text.

Starting point is 01:42:41 And then you could have document pages on that server. And it was all connected. And this was basically the web. And so the first part of the story is I set up this gopher server, which is made by the University of Minnesota. Their CIS department had created this. And I was on MTV going, hey, go to MTV.com. I've got a gopher server. And then they called me up and they said, you're gonna have to pay us a $5,000 license for using the gopher server. And then they they called me up and they said, you're gonna have to pay us a $5,000 license for using the gopher server. Like, what are you talking about? It's open source. Yeah, but it's you know, we own the we own this and

Starting point is 01:43:14 you're using it commercially. I'm like, MTV is not using it's me. I'm just a dude. I don't have $5,000. And we struck a deal. And the deal was, they would forgo the license as long as they wore a University of Minnesota gopher t-shirt on MTV and you can still find that on YouTube. So around this time, I get an email, adam at MTV.com, I get an email from this guy, Mark Andreessen, who's at the University of Champaign-Urbana, Illinois. He says, hey man,

Starting point is 01:43:49 hey man, I love what you're doing with this mtv.com. Try out this software I've made. It's called HCTPD and it's version 0.9. You can install it and then I have this thing called Mosaic and you can do multimedia. And so I set it up and then that was the last I ever heard from him But that was my encounter with Marc Andreessen is he asked me to so we were MTV.com was one of the early websites On the World Wide Web because Andre Andreessen asked me to to set it up

Starting point is 01:44:23 Did that disappoint you well Well, that story tops mine, I think. A little bit. Cause my story really didn't have too much to do with him. And, I will say that that's a really great story. Oh, well thank you. Rarely do you think my stories are that good? Well, I say because it's a historic moment. Yes, it is. And what makes it even greater is the irony of the entire, the way it came up, the way

Starting point is 01:44:48 the whole thing fell apart. Because you were like, obviously at the time, it's some sort of a savant visionary who put this thing up and MTV was so clueless with the boneheads that were running it that they not only, they basically fired you. It's a story for another time kids yes but in the meantime I want to thank you for your courage and say in the morning to you the man who put the sea in process he say hello to my friend on the other end the one the only Mr. John C. Devorek! In the morning we go Mr. Adam Curry in the morning morning all ships are sea-boosts in the ground,

Starting point is 01:45:25 feeding the air subs in the water and all the dames and knights out there. In the morning to you turkey trolls out there, don't move. Joke out. This thing is wanting on. Yeah, it was kind of to be expected. It's Thanksgiving. There are 1,512 trolls in the troll at the peak. Kind of to be expected. It's 300, though.

Starting point is 01:45:45 It's still pretty good for considering people are arguing with their in-laws right now. I mean, some of them are just sitting in the corner with the headphones on, rocking back and forth like Bill Gates, like, don't talk to me. What are you doing? I'm listening to something important. Yes. Those trolls are very- People should be listening to the show.

Starting point is 01:46:04 Those trolls are very important. should be listening to the show. Those trolls are very important. They are listening to the show and they're listening live at trollroom.io or perhaps using a modern podcast app, which is free of algos. Algos, A-L-G-O-S, Greek for pain and suffering. Look it up. The modern podcast app, which you can find at podcastapps.com, will in fact alert you when we go live, even if you're out and about and like, oh, that's right, the show, they got a show. You already saw the newsletter, like you kind of remembered, but oh, that's right, the show is starting.

Starting point is 01:46:34 And then when we publish the show, it notifies you within 90 seconds. We've got all kinds of cool things, transcripts, you can search those. Oh, you know, this is an anti AI story. So bingit.io, which forwards to the Clip Genie website that Sir Deenonymous put together bingit.io, which is fantastic. It was a search engine, you search the transcripts, you search the clips, you search articles. I mean, everything that we've created

Starting point is 01:47:02 up to a certain point, because we lost a lot in a previous system we were using, drop.io, if you remember that. And they got Aqua hired, and then all of a sudden everything was gone. We lost all of our show notes for a couple of years. So I get this email from one of our producers and he says, bingit.io, emergency, you've got to look at this. This is very important. He sends me a screenshot.

Starting point is 01:47:32 He says, I just tried the new Grok website, Analyzation on bingit.io. Bro, it expired two days ago. And I'm looking at this. So I'm looking at this, this screenshot of Grok, which is the XAI, and it says, to analyze the website bingit.io, here's what can be gathered from available data. And then it says, domain registration, domain bingit.io was registered November 25th, 2017, with an expiration date set for November 25th, 2024.

Starting point is 01:48:09 And it has all this who is information. And I'm like, this doesn't make any sense. You know, first of all, it's working. So it hasn't been turned off. So I go in, it doesn't expire until November 25th, 2025, and it's set to auto renewal. And I said, this is insane that people believe these, that they trust these systems. Yeah. It's crap. It's 100% crap. Well, like I'm reminded that when I was looking for that blonde woman that was

Starting point is 01:48:45 sitting next to the podium and then all these systems failed, including the one you did, Chet GPT by identifying her, we had three people that wrote in and identified her. Yes. That's NAI. No agenda intelligence. No agenda intelligence. And if I'd pushed it harder, I probably would have gotten 10 people to help me out. But three people, which is out of the blue, just always so-and-so, as I can't remember her name. She is the head of the, she's the one who organized the whole event. And you'd think that these AI systems could figure out who that was, but no, it's no good. It's good for very superficial stuff.

Starting point is 01:49:26 Yeah. Well, example, so Horowitz, who is very pro AI and I'm very anti AI. I mean, I'm not against it. It's just, I have poor experiences and I don't think it's good for very much. It's good for a few things. So he sends me a summary of DH Unplugged and he's run it through ChatGBT or something and it's this incredibly long, tedious document that completely describes your episode. And he's like, it's basically like, look at how good this stuff is. He likes it. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:50:01 Well, I didn't read it. I'm not going to read this. It's tedious. Just tell I didn't read it. I'm not going to read this. It's tedious. Just tell me what you talked about. It's a very long... So I appreciate his, uh, his trust in it all. He really... You know what's interesting? Now that you mention it, I was just thinking about this. These, uh,

Starting point is 01:50:19 the, these, uh, systems that do the writing, they are verbose. Oh, flowery! And what you really want is abstracts. You want things like, you can really, you want it boiled down. You want a Reader's Digest version, not a, you know, War and Peace version of the, of what you're thinking. You don't want something that goes on for days and days.

Starting point is 01:50:43 You want something that's really tight. That it cannot do. No. And why not? That's what you want. You want tight. You don't want verbose. You know, that's, it's interesting. We didn't play this clip just so. Let me continue with this complaining. The, when you have that phony baloney podcast that they do, I've pointed this out, you know, with the two people, they are already going to do a deep dive. They stretch stuff too. It's a stretch. They move, they take a simple idea.

Starting point is 01:51:15 I proved this with a couple of things we posted and one I, we used to play on the show. Uh, but instead of keeping it tight and short and sweet, they will go on and start bringing other stuff into the conversation that's not necessary. It's just, it's interesting that they can't do that right. So I put that whole thing into chat GPT that he sent me. And I said, summarize the content of this in 400 words or less.

Starting point is 01:51:41 Well, it did exactly 400 words. The podcast episode features John and Andrew engaging in a dynamic, wide ranging discussion on topics spanning personal plans, financial markets, current events, and social trends. Well, there's already a waste of time. Yes, yes, you're wasting my time. The conversation begins with lighthearted Thanksgiving plans including John's- There's again, this is who cares.

Starting point is 01:52:04 Including, yes, including John's experiment with smoking a turkey in an electric smoker and updates on their new t-shirt designs delayed by issues with an artist. Unimportant. I know! The discussion transitions into current events highlighting the resignation rumors surrounding Janet Yellen. This is not a good summary of this podcast.

Starting point is 01:52:28 It's not. Anyway, I guess people like flowery language. I do have, just because we're on it and then I don't have to do it after we thank some people. Did we do this, the podcast about, from nobody special finance, about the AI job bots? Did we do that already? I don't know. There's a new generation of AI job app,

Starting point is 01:52:56 applier apps. So you go to a site, you upload your resume, you give it some keywords and then it seems- Yeah, I think so. We already did that? Okay, then I'll just- Well, I remember it and maybe you did it. It doesn't matter.

Starting point is 01:53:07 It doesn't matter. It's kind of, yeah. Well, I have, you're gonna start doing a showdown on the AI stuff. I do have my AI clip. But I mean, AI news is AI news, not an AI clip. Oh, hold on a second, hold on. AI news!

Starting point is 01:53:20 Amazon says it's investing another $4 billion in the artificial intelligence startup Anthropic amid the ongoing battle to lead the AI future in the Silicon Valley. The additional money brings Amazon's total investment to $8 billion. Anthropic is the company behind Claude, a chatbot-like open AI. The money pouring into AI Ventures is fueling a search for the next chat GPT. Okay. Eight billion dollars so far. And what have they got to show for it?

Starting point is 01:53:50 It's a drop in the bucket. It's a drop in the bucket. It's nothing. All right. Thank you trolls for being here. They are an AI, no agenda intelligence. Sometimes it works. They're never wordy though.

Starting point is 01:54:07 They're always very short and to the point, our NAI. They just go, boom, here's what I think of you. Sucks. Sucks. Rap sucks. Thanksgiving sucks. Yeah, they're very, very short with all that stuff. We have many ways that people can help us. Our NAI, we have to say right,

Starting point is 01:54:26 the NAI is one way. We appreciate all of our trolls who participate in that. The other way is, well, you could do lots of things. We like time, talent and treasure. As you've heard, clicks, listens, views makes no difference to us. Never has. We only care about can we pay the bills. That's that has always been our mantra and as long as that's happening we're happy and we'll continue in the last four years of the show doing that. See I've switched now from four more years to the last four years. I'm preparing everybody for soft landing. Time, talent and treasure you can do a number of things and including hitting people in the mouth,

Starting point is 01:55:07 letting them know about the show, lots of like void zero, but many people and who were very thankful for by the way. And all we did have a note from one of our artists or would be artists or artists. Do you have it in front of you? Did you get this note too? Did you really enjoy the discussion of the art? I have the note. Oh, I would like you to read it. Listening to Noah Jenner's 1715, you said someone complained about the art segment. What a Philistine! I vote yes for the art segment. It's almost worth the whole show.

Starting point is 01:55:39 I was following along on the art generator. I was an illustrator for many years, a cartoonist, a professional in graphic arts, fine arts major, and I can say authoritatively that your cover art community is really something. It's hard to believe that you have such an embarrassment of riches to choose from two times a week. I hope you appreciate it because it's astonishing and you get it all without any cash changing hands. Keep up the good art segment says a non mark Well, no, it's it's a it's part of our value for value model. So Cash is good, but we like time and talent as well So we're going to take a look at the artwork first. Thank the artist who brought us the artwork for episode 715, which was scruples

Starting point is 01:56:23 Yes, of course it was Darren O'Neill who did, uh, Darren O'Neill has some amazing prompt skills. I mean, we just have to recognize how good it is. And yet he comes so close to a perfect 10 and somehow gets the wrong ear for the bandaid on Trump's head. It's astonishing. It's astonishing. And he's done this before, hasn't he? Well, he's got the ear on the wrong side.

Starting point is 01:56:51 Yeah. Or I know we've rejected art before because it was, but this was just so good because this was the new TDS. The can was great. It had this whole additional No Agenda Soda Company logo. Which was gorgeous. That really was good. By itself would have been just good.

Starting point is 01:57:08 And then he says, so good, it's insane. I mean, it really, we had a lot to choose from. A lot of artists went for this. Now I'm going through all the turkeys to just scroll down to see what else we were looking at for that episode. Let's see. Fret Pound had kind of a classic, it also had TDS classic. You know, we liked the one that had both,

Starting point is 01:57:35 which was also Darren. They had the classic, instead of saying TDS classic, he had classic TDS and the new TDS, two cans next to each other. And Trump won without the Band-Aid and won without... I just don't see why he didn't put it on the correct ear. It was very...that was... Well, it's not him.

Starting point is 01:57:55 Oh, it's the AI. Yeah. How dumb is the AI? Clip Custodian had a...we thought it was nice. He had the TDS soda, but again, the classics should have been under the TDS and not above it. Was there anything else?

Starting point is 01:58:13 Wow, I'm scrolling off the page here. There was more. Max Buffer, okay. There was a number of decent pieces. We could have chosen other things, except for the fact that the Darren O'Neill piece was so outstanding. Yeah, it really was. And I think it was also the No Agenda Soda Company that really made the thing.

Starting point is 01:58:33 That really, and again, concept, it was concept. Execution happened to be good, except for that one flaw. Concept was just good. And the other thing is the originality of the can, as opposed to looking like a Coca-Cola can, the Coca-Cola colors, I think that was important. I don't know if it was important, but it did work. Yeah. Because net nest works did a TDS and nest.

Starting point is 01:58:59 I don't think that was AI. It was a mess. And it was just, you see the Curry Dev- It just had just too much going on. It had too much happening in it. But this looked like a very classic energy drink. Like it was a new energy drink. You just couldn't get past it.

Starting point is 01:59:18 It was that good. And if you're good, you're good. I mean, Darren has figured that out. He's figured it out. He's gonna be producing tons of stuff for today's show and then he won't get anything. No. Again, it's more the conceit. Turkey, by the way, Turkey, Thanksgiving theme. It's got to be a Thanksgiving theme or we're not going to pick it. I can tell you right now in advance. We are traditionalists that way. We are just traditionalists. So thank you Darren. And of course, thank you to all of the artists. Whether you do it original. I can see the farmer's wife is, the farmer's wife has already put one of her kids pieces up.

Starting point is 01:59:56 It's, it's definitely in the running. Do you see it? Up at the top? I'm looking now. Up at the top. Yeah, that's pretty good. She has it. She puts her kids to work. Like kids, we're not doing AI here. She's homeschooling him like, you draw a turkey for these turkeys. I love the kerning on No Agenda. It's all awesome. The kerning with the G and the E.

Starting point is 02:00:26 It's fabulous. Thank you all very much. NoahJun to ArtGenerator.com. Follow along. And in the Modern Podcast tab, we have chapters. Dreb Scott, thank you brother for doing that so diligently for us. And he takes these images, uses many, if not all of them often, to put those into the chapter. So everybody gets a shake at the stick. Now let us thank the executive and associate executive

Starting point is 02:00:46 producers for episode 1700 and 16. We appreciate anybody who sends us any amount, particularly those sustaining donations, which are any amount, any frequency, you set it up yourself at noagendadonations.com. We will thank everybody with the amount above $50. And we like to always stop and give a special thanks to our executive and associate executive producers. Here's how it works.

Starting point is 02:01:10 Associate executive producer, which is a real title. It's a show business credit. You can use it anywhere. They are accepted, including IMDB.com. We will read your note and you get that credit and that title as associate executive producer. $300 and above. You become an executive producer and we also read your notes. So I'll kick it off with Sir Dan the man who comes in from Cape Coral, Florida with $14,762. I don't know the significance of the number other than it must be with PayPal fees, I'm guessing.

Starting point is 02:01:44 Or maybe not. We don't know. He does not allude to it in the note. He says, Yeah, you'd have to go look. He says, good evening. Good evening, Adam and John and Adam. Good evening.

Starting point is 02:01:53 Good evening to you, sir. I'm buying, oh, I'm buying my doctorate and completing my earldom. There you go. Please dub me Sir Dan the Man, Earl of Southwest Florida. Happy Thanksgiving to you and your families. It's been a pleasure listening to you especially over the last few months with the run-up and post-election commentary. P.S. John, your vasectomy opinion is just B.S. Every time you mention it, it's just cringe-worthy.

Starting point is 02:02:18 I guess he's a victim. Love you mean it. Thanks to the best podcast in the universe and no agenination from Sir Dan the man. Thank you. You know, I haven't mentioned it for, I don't know, six months or maybe a year. I think he's hurt by it. But now that you brought it back up, there has been a few politicians and others that have come forth that you look at him, you go, yep, there you go. Yep. Would you want to mention any so we can...

Starting point is 02:02:51 I have to think of it that I can't remember his last name, I think it's Goldman, Dan Goldman or something. He's one of the congressmen from New York and you look at him and it's like, okay, there's one. And I'm trying to think of some other ones that have been dropping up. I just haven't been thinking about it. I'm pretty sure Schumer. Schumer. You could be wrong about him. Yeah. Okay. Louis Kellogg is up, Lewis Kellogg from Parts Unknown, $1,030.26. Oh, and by the way, for people who don't know what I'm talking about, but the vasectomy,

Starting point is 02:03:25 vasectomies were used, were invented for two purposes. First they were invented as a workaround for castration of criminals who were sex offenders, which is part of the original invention. And then it turned out that they had, they would develop a certain look. And so it was used as a methodology to keep people, it was considered a youth cure. You could, you'd get a vasectomy and you'd look younger. Forever. Over time. It would change your appearance just enough to make you look like you're not as old

Starting point is 02:03:58 as you were. But that appearance always, to me, turns you into looking like an old lesbian. And there it is. That was my thesis. But that appearance always, to me, turns you into looking like an old lesbian. And there it is. And so that was my thesis. Yes, and you're sticking to it. And we would point out people over the years that had this look, it's a certain look you get. And we'd call them vasectomy victims. And I guess, I guess Sir Dan the man is... Likely, the man is suffering from this, I'm guessing. Maybe not.

Starting point is 02:04:28 Maybe just. You could be wrong. You could be wrong. I could be totally wrong about this and he's just doesn't like talking about him. But I will say the Earl of Southwest Florida looks pretty young and healthy to me. So Louis Kellogg came in with 1030, 26, and he'd say, I'd like to be known as Lord Loubrou. Please de-douche me. You've been de-douched.

Starting point is 02:04:53 So, I guess it's going to be nighted today. This is my first contribution to the show. It's a show course. We need Mead. Mead at the table anyway. It says Mead in, I don't know what that means. I think he needs Mead at the table. He just wants Mead. Yeah, Mead.

Starting point is 02:05:15 He wants Mead, you got it, you got it. Well thank you, Louis. First time contributing straight to knighthood, beautiful. Dame lady, get over it. 1,030 and 26, so that is, she is collecting all the credential I can Beautiful. Dame Lady, get over it. One thousand thirty and twenty six. So that is, she is collecting all the credential I can before my exit strategy. Does that mean she is getting a doctor of education? I would guess so.

Starting point is 02:05:36 I might have used up the last jobs karma you gave me on a small win at work. May I please have a Trump jobs karma for the super secret squirrel 4d chess I still have in the works? Why yes of course. PS PhDs were offered when I was on unpaid maternity leave. If that was offered again I would enroll. Love is lit! says Dame Lady get over it. Jobs! Jobs! Jobs. You've got karma and you've got this one too. I do? Okay. Captain Chemtrail. Okay, so I have some jingles already that he needs me to put up here, so make sure I get these. I've been an avid listener. This is 62164. I've been an avid listener of No Agenda since show 1348 in May 2021. My brother turned me on to No Agenda show while I was searching for a replacement for

Starting point is 02:06:32 the Rush Limbaugh show. Thank you. Well, that's quite honorable. Thank you for providing Gitmo Nation and me relief from the bias babble of the M5M. Your show provides me laughter, sanity, and relief from the relentless M5M propaganda. However, I have been a freeloader. I have benefited from the NA show but did not support it. This ends now. Please de-douche me. You've been de-douched.

Starting point is 02:06:59 I am a captain with a very large US airline based in a large metropolitan area along the East Coast. Fellow citizens of Gitmo will know they're flying with me when they hear my subtle yet obvious ITMs. Thank you for your courage, FEMA region notifications, and 33s during my announcements. Please stop by the cockpit and say hi." I love that. Yeah, stop by the cockpit. Yeah, because these capt is usually standing there as you're leaving and you say, ITM. Yeah, exactly. And then maybe you get like a special tour of the cockpit or something. You never know. You might hook a brother up. I request massive amounts of no agenda health karma from my beautiful wife. She has been suffering

Starting point is 02:07:38 from stage four kidney cancer for the last two years. She lost a kidney and the cancer has been kicking her butt. The treatments have slowed but not stopped the spread. Please send her cosmic healing karma she needs it. Well of course I will pray for her and he requests Chemtrails Rubelizer F-Cancer. Here's to four more years of awesome M5M deconstruction and to keeping us sane Captain Chemtrail of CVG aka Hannibal of Hebron. Chemtrailers! India, Tango, Mike, standby, 33, 33, 33, Rub-A-Lizer out. You've got karma. Sir Tyler in Alaska?

Starting point is 02:08:26 Mm-hmm. Houston, Alaska? Or is it Arkansas? Yeah, Sir Tyler in Alaska. Alaska, yes, AK, Alaska. Keep up the great work in supporting your media deconstruction at 333 is alltylorsystems.com. tylersystems.com can afford right now, but we're working on it. With the abundance of opportunity and AI, is it possible to build a software company

Starting point is 02:08:54 with the value for value model? I don't know. I don't know. And he says, I don't know, but I'll keep you and fellow producers posted. John, it's called shareware. Don't you share where shareware? I've heard of that. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:09:12 Shareware. You know, it used to originally be called freeware. No, but then it became shareware. My software is shareware. Now it's a no. I, I think you can make a lot of money with shareware. If you've got something that that's good everybody get I mean if you

Starting point is 02:09:27 It's again a percentage of the total but you can get a lot of money if you have a super popular product. I support Software that asks for donations all the time All I turn down my opportunity for white Combinator this spring to chase exciting things going on in Alaska. Better to invest in one's community and build what you want and want to live in rather than be whisked away to their group thinker reeducation sorting center in Sunnyvale. Yeah, that sounds about right. Or I'm sorry, incubator.

Starting point is 02:10:03 There you go. I still can an email, but it's coming. Thank you for Gitmo Nation. TylerSystems.com, outsourcing problems and insourcing solutions. Best Sir Tyler in Alaska. Go check it out, whatever that is. Tyler System. T-Y-L-E-R Systems. Aaron Boyorkes cares how would you

Starting point is 02:10:25 pronounce that? Bojo cares Bo Jo R Q u easy boy or cares. I think it's a sign to be boy. I think it's boy or cares or cares. He's in Mission. I'm guessing I mean, I don't have to be wrong. He's in Mission Viejo, California. No note for 333 donations. So instead, he gets a double up karma. You've got karma. Double up. Karma. Jeff Otten in Greensboro, North Carolina, 333.33.

Starting point is 02:10:55 Thank you for your courage, John and Adam. Happy Thanksgiving from jovial Jeff in Greensboro, North Carolina. On my way to knighthood, kindly accept my second executive producer donation for 1716. My at a glance kitchen calendar informs me that this is more than just a Thanksgiving day episode. This is also magic number day episode.

Starting point is 02:11:14 This episode airs on November 28th, 2024, the 33rd 333rd day of the year. What? Yeah, we should know that. What a squandered opportunity. With 33 more days to go, can you believe it? Keep watch for my magical 333.33 donation via PayPal. A leap year exclusive magic number day donation. Wow.

Starting point is 02:11:39 Yeah, it doesn't happen that often. No. Jingle please. 33, it's the magic number. May you both never need an exit strategy. All the best Jeff. There you go. I would say people that want to get on this good go to the noagendadonations.com right now and donate 333. Do what there's, yes. And we'll still credit you with that magic number donation.

Starting point is 02:12:13 Yeah. I think something like that. On the next show. Yeah, yeah, we'll do it for sure. Faux shizzle. We move on to Sean Simmons in Stanford, Virginia, 333.33. And he says, John C. Adam, 33, Rubelizer, Trump,

Starting point is 02:12:29 Cum, and Dean Scream, thanks for working the holiday. I make triple time work in the holiday, so you should as well. I also owe you for working on the 4th of July. That is included. So he wants Rubelizer, Trump, Cum, and Dean Scream. India, Tango, Mike, standby. 33, 33, 33, Roblizer out. I'm gonna come.

Starting point is 02:12:57 You're silly, you're silly, you're silly man. Matthew Ross in Indian Trail, North Carolina, 333. Please look at the link for message. Clipoftheday.com, slash family, slash PayPal, blah, blah, blah, to Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak. I don't know what... So, okay, so... Did you get something from him? Yeah. So he has clipoftheday.com and he sent a very breathy three and a half minute audio message talking about

Starting point is 02:13:29 what he's going to do with clip of the day.com and I really appreciate it but there's no way we can it was kind of all over the place. So we're not going to play it in the donation segment but anybody can go take a look at it if you go to clip of the day.com and he does have plans for clipoftheday.com which is a great website to have since clip of the day is something that you can collect from the no agenda show and we thank him very much for his $333 support of the show. As I move on to James Batsold, Batsold Davenvenport, Iowa, 333. I made this donation in honor of my mom's birthday on the 29th, November 29th is also, there you go,

Starting point is 02:14:10 the 333rd day of the year, hence the donation. I made a donation earlier this year and commented that my mother, Katie Batsold, listens to the show and ends up falling asleep by the first donation segment. Adam proceeded to say, Katie, Katie Batsold, wake up. She loved it. She turned 74. Oh, happy birthday, Katie. We are also celebrating her being cancer free. Well, woohoo. Where's my thank you for all you do for more years. No jingles but F cancer for all regards.

Starting point is 02:14:42 James Botselt. Yes, congratulations. That's great to hear, Katie. You've got karma. Nice. Eloise of the woods in Vancouver, Washington 233.33. She becomes our first associate executive producer. She writes a note, a handwritten note says, Dear Adam and John, remember when the ballot box was set afire in Vancouver, Washington, about a week before the election?

Starting point is 02:15:11 Yes. The election office solved the situation not with cameras, but by hiring highly skilled temp workers like me to conduct 24-7 in-person stakeouts of the 22 ballot boxes in the county for over a week. Nice. Please de-douche me with half of my stakeout wages of $2.3333. You've been de-douched. She says, because the No Agenda episodes kept me half alert and entertained throughout the all night shifts.

Starting point is 02:15:48 Half alert. Inflation, air, coffee, and taxes used up the other half of my wages. I understand. Eloise of the woods in Vancouver, Washington. Great note, Eloise. Thank you. Appreciate that. Callipidges Collin is in Willow Spring, North Carolina. Row of ducks 222.22 says,

Starting point is 02:16:07 please accept this short row of ducks in appreciation for all your great work. It's not as lucrative as the money you'd be receiving as a Russian asset, true, but it does vaguely reflect the value I receive from your work. By the way, I'd like to let my fellow slaves know for certain, baby making karma works. I'm happy to inform you that my smoking hot wife is now carrying our third human resource due this spring around Passover, by the way, you Zionist chills, he says.

Starting point is 02:16:37 Well, as long as you name him or her, Adam John Collin. Or great name. Great name. Or John Adam. Adam John Adam there you go no jingles no karma thank you for what you do J.A. J.A. Calipeggis Collin Dub Spring North Carolina thank you and congratulations that's that's great we love it we love it so let's let me do Linda Lou Patkin in Lakewood Colorado we were getting to the end here. Okay. Uh, 200 bucks.

Starting point is 02:17:06 She says, I'm so grateful for you both. Happy Thanksgiving and four more years of jobs karma. For a winning resume that gets results, go to image makers inc. That's image makers Inc. With a K and work with Linda Lu, Duchess of jobs and writer of resumes. I want to thank you. Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs. Let's vote for jobs.

Starting point is 02:17:27 Yay! You got karma. And we have Eli the Coffee Guy with 2.1128. Happy Thanksgiving to all out there in Get More Nation. He says, today is the first time to enjoy a good meal and time with the family. Tomorrow, Black Friday, the season of consumerism begins. Remember to support small businesses to help your community and America thrive.

Starting point is 02:17:49 Visit gigawattcofferoasters.com. We have a site-wide sale. Stay caffeinated. Eli, the coffee guy. They said in the second note in that thank you making sure that you wished everybody happy Thanksgiving. Yeah. Well, yes, okay. Happy Thanksgiving. Fuse, 969 LLC in Newark, New Jersey came with 200 bucks. Top of the morning, Adam and John. Happy Thanksgiving to you, your families, and all the No Agenda folk. Longtime listener, finally donating to support this amazing show.

Starting point is 02:18:24 Can I get a jobs and money karma jingle? Well there's no money karma jingle. The karma jingle does it by itself but we proceed it with the jobs of course. Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs. I'll add a goat. That should help. Brian Schmidt, Canton, Michigan. Almost done. $200. He says, Adam, keep pushing Blue Sky.

Starting point is 02:18:49 People, probably the people John follows on TikTok, are buying up Blue Sky Digital stock like crazy. The only problem is Blue Sky Digital isn't the social media company. It's a shit coin company out of Toronto. And it's hilarious. It's up to 49 cents. It is now Blue Cry, my friend. Love the show. Here's the four more years. I would call Michael Schmidt a douche bag, but it's the holidays and mom would get mad.

Starting point is 02:19:16 So I'll just say Happy Thanksgiving to all Brian Schmidt, Canton, Michigan. And he says I would like mac and cheese followed by ants the short version and then He has a link to that story about blue sky digital. Thank you very much. Happy Thanksgiving to you, brother few slaves can get used to mac and cheese mac and cheese mac and cheese macaroni and cheddar melted together mac and cheese mac and cheese mac and cheese I got ants. I got ants. You've got karma.

Starting point is 02:20:03 Stephen Mann's last on the list here. Good list. Very good. He's in Plymouth Township, Michigan. And he says, and he came out with 200 bucks and says simply, nice note here, Happy Thanksgiving! Keep up the great work. Well, that's easy. That's easy. Thank you very much. And thank you to everybody who supported us. We'll be thanking more people. $50 and above in our second segment. And as always, whatever you do, if you want to keep the show going, we love sustaining donations. It can be $5 a month. I mean, that's a coffee, not even a coffee these days.

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Starting point is 02:20:54 We go out, we hit people in the mouth. Yeah! What up? What up? Shut up, slave. Shut up, slave. I have something I want to play off. All right. This is, I've got some stuff on the ceasefire. Yes. But I also have this this since it relates to the

Starting point is 02:21:26 last segment. This is the, I can start it with the teaser of what we're going to play. And this again involves that horrible Lopez woman on PBS. Oh, you even labeled it horrible teaser. Okay. Do I just hit it? Yeah, hit the teaser. Still to come on the NewsHour, how Donald Trump's reelection fits into a broader acceptance of authoritarian leadership.

Starting point is 02:21:50 No, woo! Authoritarian leadership, authoritarian. So they're going to stick with this because we've been, you and I have both been trying to find what thematic things are going to do about Trump. Yeah. And so they're going to go with this create, this report is so ludicrous. Let's start, well, unfortunately, I used the at sign instead of the number two for the second clip, but this is the horrid PBS report on Trump's authoritarianism. Just so you know, I speak to Vorak. So when I see the at sign, I know it means number two. You said something to the banker about this, by the way.

Starting point is 02:22:22 She told me. What? Wait a minute. Wait a minute. What did she tell you? I want to… because she… all right. Just tell me what she told you. I can't remember the phrase, but you used some phrase I've never heard, Dvorakism or something. No, that's not true. No, that's not true. Oh, she, here's the story, the backstory.

Starting point is 02:22:51 So we do a distribution of the funds and I just, Adam has a local bank account here at the same bank at the Albany mechanics bank. And I had had to change the account number for a reason that's not important, but it had to be, Adam's got a new account there. And so, unfortunately, I don't know what happened when I did the cut and paste because I'm a cut and paste guy. I left the old account there so the banker couldn't get a hold of me, I guess, and calls you up. She says, yeah, John, I want to deposit, you know, your, what is it like, your end of month. I love it. We're so like, your end of month salary. But he got the number all screwed up. And I think I said, oh, well, that's John.

Starting point is 02:23:34 I don't think I said anything like a John is. No, there was something, it was a phrase. I'm sorry I didn't write it down, but I thought it was hilarious. When I called her out on it, she got you a sheepish. I wish, she's really nice, by the way. She's really nice. The fact that she called and just said, you know.

Starting point is 02:23:51 No, she's a great, she's the vice president at the bank. She's really a great banker. Because you know, you show up with checks and gold coins and all kinds of, like, it's a huge ordeal, the way people support us. Am I right? Yeah, we get a lot of different things that have to go into the bank. Dollars of the bank.

Starting point is 02:24:10 What are all these checks for $33? What kind of outfit are you? What are you doing? What are you doing? It was years ago and the original bank manager called me. I says, can you explain what all these, because we get all these crazy checks from all these, from these sources, that mostly paid by mail sources.

Starting point is 02:24:32 So there's piles of these checks and they're got the weirdest numbers on them because people always put their birthday or something. Three, three, three dot three, three is a lot of that. I had to explain to them what we were doing. I'm amazed we haven't been debanked. You know what I'm saying? We haven't been debanked. All right, back to the horrid PBS lady.

Starting point is 02:24:51 This is clip two. President-elect Donald Trump ran a lot of his campaign promising retribution for his enemies and asking absolute loyalty from his supporters. Now as he prepares for a second term in office, Laura Barone Lopez has a look at what that might mean for the future of US democracy. William, according to the Associated Press, 55% of voters said they were very or somewhat concerned that Trump would steer

Starting point is 02:25:19 the US toward becoming an authoritarian country. One where a single leader or small group has unchecked power. Still, more than one in 10 of those voters supported him anyways. To discuss this further, I'm going- Hold on a second. I have a real problem with this from PBS, and I just don't like it. It's bothered me for years now. When did the word anyway become anyways? And since when is that correct English? I'm not a grammarian, but I'm sure some in the audience can explain it.

Starting point is 02:25:53 Doesn't this bother you when someone... It sounds like you're trivializing the story. Anyways. It's just not correct anyways. All right. Yeah, it's like saying humongous or gazillion. Or like holding your fork wrong. You know, this is irritational.

Starting point is 02:26:12 One where a single leader or small group has unchecked power. Still, more than one in 10 of those voters supported him anyways. To discuss this further, I'm joined by Jason Stanley, professor of philosophy at Yale University, and author of Erasing History, How Fascists Rewrite the Past to Control the Future. Professor Stanley, thank you so much for joining. Why did voters on one hand acknowledge and express fear that the country could very well tip towards authoritarianism under Trump, but then on the other hand, still vote for

Starting point is 02:26:44 him? towards authoritarianism under Trump, but then on the other hand, still vote for him. The idea that democracy is a value upon which voters vote or place enormous priority on is false. Voters prize a number of things over democracy, especially voters who have regularly lived in a country where you can replace leaders and parties by elections. This is actually quite amazing that he's saying this, this book writer, anyways book writer. I was at, remember I went up to see that thing where Flynn was speaking

Starting point is 02:27:21 in, next to Fenton, I think, up there in Dallas. And there were these two people, they were probably closer to 70. And they come up to me and they're chatting and they're short people, brown people, and they say, we are so happy to be here. We are so, and they were really talking about, because this whole thing was about Trump. We are so happy. We want Donald Trump to be president because we come from Venezuela. And if America goes down the path of Venezuela,

Starting point is 02:27:57 no one will have anywhere else to go. So what this guy is saying is just so polar opposite to the actual reality of the world. It's insane. This guy is insane when you watch him. It's like a doofus, goofy looking guy who's written a couple books always about fascism and how it's going to take over. And Lopez is all in on this. And this is the PBS doing its thing. It's a socialist operation now. It's all that you can say. This is all about promoting socialism on PBS. It's a terrible product. People should not give them money.

Starting point is 02:28:33 They should give it to us or anybody else for that matter. But here we go. Give it to anybody but them. The idea that democracy should be of value, well, that's something that schools and universities teach. That's something that schools and universities teach. That's something we try to emphasize. But it doesn't mean that people are born that way. What? So, as soon as he said that, I have to stop it there because born that way, what is this, a Gaga song? I mean, what is the point of saying, well, you know, we teach at the university, but people aren't born that way.

Starting point is 02:29:06 You know, freedom loving, I guess. They're not born that way. You have to go to the university. What he's really saying here is you have to go to the university because there's an overlying pitch going on. And this was also done on the Aminpour show when they had brought David Brooks and was just written a new book. And his book, Brooks and Brooks and Capehart, his new book is that, well, they divide. And I had a bunch of clips on education that from about five shows ago, I never ran them, but they're trying to promote the idea that if you're educated, you're a smart Democrat. If you're a dumb fuck,

Starting point is 02:29:42 then you're a Republican. And this is the thing that's been, they've been promoting this and promoting it. This is not going to work. Don't they realize this is not going to work? Well, there was another thing that people said, I don't know if I linked this on my Twitter account or not, but there was a threesome of historians doing their, that show at that Stanford Hoover Institute does with that one guy is always asking too many questions, including David Hansen and two other guys. And they were excoriating this notion that the universities are like, if you go to university, you're, you're, you're going to be a better person. You're going to vote Democrat and all this, it, it,

Starting point is 02:30:23 it you're going to improve the country, this is where it should go, and Brooks is now promoting that. Oh yeah, there's dummies. I'm a very educated person as far as I'm concerned. I went to Cal Berkeley of all places, and I went to other colleges, and I'm not a high school dropout, and I find this incredibly offensive that they make this assertion that everything's based on education. It's not true.

Starting point is 02:30:51 That's not true. It's not true. It's crazy. But anyway. Victor Davis Hanson. I found this born this way thing to be very offensive. This is an offensive, I'm obviously offended by this personally.

Starting point is 02:31:02 I can tell, yes. Victor Davis Hanson, not David Hanson. David Hanson. David Hanson of the Hanson Boys. The Hanson Brothers. Hold on my, uh, whoa. Hold on. Hold on a second. Where'd you go? Hold on!

Starting point is 02:31:14 Come back! Something's wrong. Got a problem. Adam fell into a pit. Oh no. Yeah, see there's a trap door in this studio. Oh no. Uh, one of my monitors just went out. Oh no. One of my monitors just went out. Oh no.

Starting point is 02:31:27 Yeah, that isn't oh no. Whoa, and now everything's glitching. Oh, it's back. Okay, next clip, we can go. Yeah, we'll do it live. We'll do it live. Don't worry about it. We'll do it live.

Starting point is 02:31:39 We're running with scissors, people. President-elect Trump has openly embraced a number of strongman leaders including Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán Trump has also said that he would be a dictator for a day He has expressed a desire to seek revenge against his political enemies And he's also threatened to use the military against civilians during times of civil unrest If Donald Trump ends up governing like a strongman, what does that mean for the future of democracy? He will end up governing like a strongman.

Starting point is 02:32:11 He generally does what he says, which is why voters consider him authentic, perhaps rightfully so. He's appointed Pete Hegseth as his defense secretary, whose writings show that he regards leftists, political opponents, university professors as the enemy, as the real enemy. So every indication we have is that he's going to rule like an authoritarian and maybe not step down from power. Certainly adjust the levers of power in our very flawed democracy so that Trumpism

Starting point is 02:32:53 remains in power for some time to come, perhaps a very long time to come. And we know that they've been taking advice from Orban. And for a long time, people said, including me, that the United States was too large to do what Orban did. For example, Orban took over the media, forcing the media to sell to his cronies and friends. And the thought was the United States is too large for that.

Starting point is 02:33:20 However, couldn't Elon Musk just buy the whole media? Oh, let me add to your sound effects. for that. However, couldn't Elon Musk just buy the whole media? Oh, let me add to your sound effects. Couldn't Elon Musk just buy the whole media? The whole media as though there is a the whole media as though it's a thing. That was very disappointing. They brought back the trope about, oh, he's going to stay the night. He's not going to leave. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:33:50 He left the first time. Yeah. This is a pathetic indictment of PBS. This segment right there that I just played is an indictment of PBS as a bunch of douchebags. Yeah. I heard them. And the Lopez woman is terrible. Yes. Well, the thing is in our last four years we won't be doing much PBS stuff because the media is now elsewhere. You know, the real, what people are watching and listening, we're watching is different now.

Starting point is 02:34:29 We're going to have to be playing Rogan clips. Megan Kelly clips. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I heard her mention, uh, Hegseth. As Stephanie Ruhl, a favorite with the boys on the trading room at Goldman. Uh, she has a real problem with Hegseth, particularly his name. As Stephanie Ruhle, a favorite with the boys on the trading room at Goldman,

Starting point is 02:34:49 she has a real problem with Hegseth, particularly his name. He votes. Meanwhile, Pig Hegseth, excuse me, Pete Hegseth. I'm sorry about that. Trump's picked for defense secretary. She says Pig Hegseth and she can't, and she keeps doing it. We'll have a conversation about rationality. What do you think about Pig Pete Pete Hegseth, excuse me. She keeps saying Pig Hegseth.

Starting point is 02:35:08 Pig Hegseth. Pig Hegseth. This is really odd. It's like, it got stuck in her brain and she can't get rid of it. It's very odd. They really hate that guy. He's been on Gutfeld and all these shows on Fox a lot. He's a really nice guy. He does seem like a that guy. He's been on Gutfeld and all these shows on Fox a lot.

Starting point is 02:35:25 He's a really nice guy. He does seem like a nice guy. Oh, that's a neo-Nazi tattoo. No. Yeah, he's got the Jerusalem cross on his chest. It's huge. Neo-Nazi. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:35:39 All right. Okay. There's a lot of concern in the ether for big agriculture, for big food and big pharma. They all know that RFK Jr. has his target set on them and we already played the clip several times what he's going to do. He's going to open up the vaults, he's going to uncover everything and there's a lot to be hidden.

Starting point is 02:36:00 And the big food guys go first. So this is it. This I think is the cover up story. The story want everybody talking. I think the lawsuit may even be bogus. Well, it's a real lawsuit, but it's just bogative. This is, and it even made, I guess, is it Nora? Maybe it's CBS.

Starting point is 02:36:20 Oh, no. Oh, this is the lawsuit. Everybody pay attention to this lawsuit. So tonight's original now with in-depth reporting on a topic we've been... No, this is the lawsuit. Everybody pay attention to this lawsuit. So tonight's original now with in-depth reporting on a topic we've been- No, this is the NBC lady. Watching and listen, sometimes we all just need a meal to be fast and convenient, right? Especially when you don't have time to cook.

Starting point is 02:36:34 So if you're at the grocery store, you're looking at the aisles, maybe you'll pick out something that you can make real quick. Like in minutes, maybe just three and a half minutes. The Florida woman is now saying the Kraft Heinz company misled people by claiming their microwavable Velveeta shells and cheese is, quote, ready in three and a half minutes. She says that's actually not the case at all.

Starting point is 02:36:54 It's raising bigger, broader questions about food marketing in this country, consumers and companies. Here's Yngwie Esselstyn. This microwavable pasta is at the center of a new lawsuit. Amanda Ramirez from Florida is suing food giant Kraft Heinz, alleging the company misleads customers about just how long it takes to prepare Velveeta's shells and cheese cups. Velveeta shells and cheese packaging says ready in three and a half minutes, but Ramirez says the claim is false, since microwaving for three and a half minutes is one of several steps needed The suit alleges the company is misleading customers allowing the company to sell more of the product at a higher price The statement representatives for the plaintiff said in part

Starting point is 02:37:36 I've gotten a lot of flack about this case, but deceptive advertising is deceptive advertising And we want corporate America to be straightforward and truthful. So I think the media, the media, television news is playing this one up as, oh look at this crazy lawsuit, everyone can argue, that's right it takes me four and a half minutes, they're lying, they're lying. The real lawsuit is obscure reported, obscurely reported like this. A federal judge refused a request by Kraft Heinz to dismiss a class action lawsuit against it accusing the food giant of lying about its mac and cheese claims of no artificial preservatives.

Starting point is 02:38:16 District Judge Mary Rowland ruled this week the plaintiffs made a reasonable allegation the mac and cheese contains a synthetic form of citric acid and also has sodium phosphates. Noting the synthetic citric acid is different from the natural variety. The lawsuit specifically alleges the ingredients were used as preservatives making Kraft Heinz's claim of no artificial flavors, preservatives or dyes on its labels false. Kraft Heinz contends the allegations are untrue and its ingredients do not contain artificial preservatives. The plaintiffs are seeking damages for fraud and violations of consumer protection laws.

Starting point is 02:38:55 So you watch, we'll see the morning shows talk about the other lawsuit, which I think was just set up so people talk about that one and we don't talk about it. It's a smoke screen, It's a smoke screen. A straw man. And then, well, we got to really move as fast as we can. We don't have much time. We've got to get as many big, the biggest by far, the biggest pharmacological product of the century.

Starting point is 02:39:19 We've got to get it moving before RFK Jr. comes in. Let's go, go, go, go. The Biden administration is proposing a new rule that would have popular weight loss drugs like Ozempic covered by Medicare and Medicaid. By the way, did you know what Jenna Show predict that a year ago? That's what it's all been about. The answer is yes. Insurance programs already cover the medication for some people with diabetes.

Starting point is 02:39:44 But this proposal would allow anyone considered obese obese meaning a body mass index of 30 or higher to also qualify for coverage The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services or CMS says 22% of Medicare recipients fall into that category Without insurance coverage these weight loss medications come with a notoriously high price, some costing $1,200 a month. CMS estimates the proposed rule would cost as much as $35 billion over the next 10 years. CBS News medical contributor Dr. Celine Gounder joins me now. She's also the editor-at-large for Public Health at KFF Health News. Doctor, these drugs have been in the news for... Doctor, hold on a second.

Starting point is 02:40:23 The teleprompter's scrolling. Let me get my scripts to ask you the right question, Doctor. The editor at large for Public Health at KFF Health News. Doctor, these drugs have been in the news for months now. What is the idea behind this allowing more insurance coverage so more people can essentially afford this medication? So this is really a recognition, a formal recognition that obesity is a chronic medical condition, that taking these medications is not just about weight loss to look more attractive,

Starting point is 02:40:50 etc., but really that it has an impact on your health. And what we are seeing is accumulating evidence that whether you're talking about diabetes, cardiovascular disease, stroke, kidney disease, dementia, different kinds of arthritis. We're seeing that these medications have a really beneficial impact for people who have obesity. This is unbelievable. First of all, accumulating evidence is you might as well say no evidence, accumulating evidence that these medications solve all these problems because you're no longer obese. It's not curing these problems, but that's how they're positioning it, which is-

Starting point is 02:41:29 I like your catch there, because I would have missed it. The accumulating term, using accumulating, meaning it's like, well, eventually we hope to see evidence. Whatever you do, just remember, R.F.K. Jr. is against this, really. He's wrong. Well, as you know, President-elect Trump has picked Robert remember RFK Jr. is against this really. He's wrong. Well, as you know, President-elect Trump has picked Robert F. Kennedy Jr. to lead the Department of Health and Human Services, which encompasses the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid, among

Starting point is 02:41:54 other agencies. Kennedy was on Fox News in October. He was asked about a similar bill to this proposal that would have covered weight loss drugs. Let's go ahead and listen. That alone will cost $3 trillion a year. a similar bill to this proposal that would have covered weight loss drugs. Let's go ahead and listen. That alone will cost three trillion dollars a year. If we spend about one-fifth of that, giving good food, three meals a day to every man, woman and child in our country, we could solve the obesity and diabetes epidemic overnight. A tiny fraction of the cost. What is your reaction to that?

Starting point is 02:42:25 Is it that simple? Well, look, the GLP-1 drugs, these weight loss drugs, they're not the silver bullet. Clearly, diet and exercise has not been the silver bullet either. I would talk about it as being silver buckshot. We need a lot of different solutions to chip away at this. Silver buckshot. The Biden administration, the FDA has sent to the White House proposed guidelines for front of package food labeling to make it much more clear to consumers, hey, this food

Starting point is 02:42:51 is healthy or not healthy. It's really hard sometimes to read the fine print. I can see we're walking into HEB. What is this? This is not healthy. I think I'll have some of that. To consumers, hey, this food is healthy or not healthy. It's really hard sometimes to read the fine print and figure out what all that really

Starting point is 02:43:08 means. We were waiting to see if the White House signs off on that, but that would be another strategy for addressing the obesity problem from another perspective. We also know that the incoming administration has Medicare and Medicaid in the crosshairs for budget cuts. And so something, a rule like this that would respect to the weight loss drugs that would increase spending by Medicare and Medicaid really don't seem very consistent with those plans to cut the budget.

Starting point is 02:43:35 You're blah-de-blah-de-blah-de-blah. Boy, they're just doing this. She's doing the soft shoe. She's doing a tap dance just to promoto-zemp it. The silver buckshot of all things. I love silver, that's a great show title. It is. And she says, oh, diet and exercise.

Starting point is 02:43:50 No, you need, stop with the mac and cheese, people. It's not real cheese and it may not even be real mac. It's crap and cheese, crap and not really cheese. Education in your elite schools, please. Last clip. So you think it's probable that when the next administration comes in, it would get rolled back.

Starting point is 02:44:13 I mean, you understand sort of these public health rulemaking better than anyone. How long would something like this take in order to come into effect? Will anyone even feel the effects before the next administration comes in? So with respect to the weight loss drugs, the Trump administration would have to finalize that.

Starting point is 02:44:30 So that would not be until after inauguration based on the current timeline. With respect to the FDA food package labeling, assuming the White House signs off, then you would have to open that up for public comment. And again, it would be the Trump administration that would finally act on that. So first of all, we're talking about months to years in some cases with Medicare and the weight loss drugs. We're talking about 2026 at the earliest. But even so, a lot of this will just depend on how the politics play out in the incoming

Starting point is 02:44:58 administration. The whole industry, the keep people sick industry is so... And finance, the insurance industry, the Zoomers, she was here for the summer, she got her knee operated on because she tore her meniscus. So outpatient, now she is on the Affordable Care Act because she's very poor and which is in this case good because she got affordable care and she had to pay, I'm sorry, we had to pay I think $1,100 out of pocket for the surgery. Okay, but it seems fair.

Starting point is 02:45:38 It's reasonable. Very reasonable. So she's an outpatient, it's in and out the same day, good to go. So we got the bill today, which shows what insurance paid, etc., etc. So what do you think the bill was, just the bill that the hospital billed the insurance company for this procedure, one knee, one torn meniscus? Well, having experience in this with these deals, I can tell my story after you're done, I would guess $45,000.

Starting point is 02:46:12 $119,000. I'm low. The insurance company... Wait, let's back off. This was outpatient. Outpatient. Then you go in. And you go out. And you go out.

Starting point is 02:46:25 And you go out. So you go in, they do the quick operation with, you know, poking away. And then you go out and that's $120,000. That was just the hospital, not the surgeon, not the anesthesiologist. So I'll just leave it at that. The insurance company paid the hospital, how much do you think? I'm sorry they they paid they settled on an amount what do you think the settled amount was? Wait now this is

Starting point is 02:46:53 above and beyond the 120? No no so no one's gonna pay a hundred and nineteen thousand dollars no one no one has that no it's not gonna happen so then the insurance company does a deal with the hospital and they wind up paying the hospital how much? Am I going to guess higher or lower? No lower, much lower. Yeah, 60,000. No, 20,000. And then the hospital says, well the bill was really12, so you owe us $1,200, which is probably a reasonable amount for the surgery. What?

Starting point is 02:47:31 Oh yeah. This is ridiculous. Yep. The anesthesiologist, I think was, Tina would know, but it was something like $17,000. He winds up getting 550, which is reasonable. So they just have all these numbers going back and forth and they always try to just soak you. But well, I'm sorry, insurance only covers 20,000

Starting point is 02:47:54 so you have to pay the 1,200 out of pocket on top of the 1,000 you already paid, which is really, yeah, 2,400 bucks, kind of reasonable for an out, just for the hospital, for a bed, a room, in front out just for the hospital for a bed a room in and out boom done Yeah This and but if you had no insurance, then you're screwed for the rest of your life Right, that's why you had they forced insurance. Yeah, you'd have to pay the 119. Yeah. Yeah, that's the point. Yeah, this was a

Starting point is 02:48:21 Yeah, that's the point. Yeah. This was a, probably something like this happened when Jay had her appendix taken out when I was working for Mevio, and Mevio was, Blue Cross picked it up. And the bill was, and this was outpatient. She went in, they, you know, gave her a local or something and then they went in with two probes.

Starting point is 02:48:44 They didn't even go, didn't even cut her open. They just had these. Just stick a little tube in there, little fiber. Optical tubes. You have one tube to look and the other one to cut. Pull out the appendix and then patch her up and out she goes. 30, 35,000. Nice. And then to make it even more of a joke. So this is the kicker was after I had left Mevio because it moved And then to make it even more of a joke. So this is the kicker was after I had left Mevio

Starting point is 02:49:09 cause I'd moved to LA, they also got rid of me. They didn't even offer me a job down there is because, and one of the reasons was because of the- It was ageism. It was ageism, I tell you. Well, it was, there was ageism involved. There's no doubt about that, but the, and I should have sued, it was, there was ageism involved. There's no doubt about that, but the, and I should have sued, but they, uh, they told me afterwards that I, what they were paying for my blue cross.

Starting point is 02:49:33 Yeah. You think you told me this like 5,000 a month or something. $4,500 a month. But that was for the whole family. Oh, gee. Yeah. Me, Mimi and Jay, the kids are all grown up. So there was only the three of us.

Starting point is 02:49:49 That's why we have crowd health, man. We've got the crowd health. Let's see how that works out. It works very well. This thing is a scam. It's a scam bola. Yeah, but Tina has used these collectives. They work very well. They negotiate with the hospital. The hospital says, okay, well, it's really 20 grand, okay. When I was a kid, this system never existed.

Starting point is 02:50:12 You just rubbed dirt on it and kept going. No, they had doctors that did house calls. Oh yes, good times. In their Cadillacs, did very well for themselves. Everybody paid cash. In the caddy. There was no insurance in between, no go to in the middle. Here's a chicken, here's a chicken.

Starting point is 02:50:29 TooManyEggs.com, thanks Doc. Yeah, Doc Holloway, we love you man. And there was, you pay cash, the prices were reasonable, but they were, you know, it was a doctor, so you had to pay something. And they made good money, but if you look at the real, the kicker here, is all you have to do is look at these insurance companies and

Starting point is 02:50:47 the billions and the billions and the billions of dollars that they put on their annual report of profit. That money is being taken out of your pocket to support just a bunch of bureaucrats in an insurance company. Which is a bank basically. Yeah. So this is not real. This is not a healthcare system at all. This is a scam. It's a scam care system. Yes. We're going to wrap it up, John. I have one more clip. It's an important development that has taken place in Australia, the first of its kind ever in the world.

Starting point is 02:51:16 Australia has gotten closer to banning children under 16 from using social media. The country's House of Representatives passed the bill today, leaving it to the Senate to finalize the law, which would be the first of its kind in the world. The law would make platforms like TikTok and Instagram liable for fines of up to 50 million Australian dollars if they fail to prevent young children from holding accounts. Those platforms would have one year to work out how to implement the age restrictions before the penalties are enforced. This is a very interesting development. It's a very interesting development. It's a testing ground. Yeah, you know what's good about it?

Starting point is 02:51:47 It's definitely going to work because, for example, when you're a 60 or let's say a 14 year old, there's no way you're ever going to get any alcohol or even drive a car or do anything like that or smoke weed in the bathroom because it's illegal. So none of those things happen with kids as teens. No. So how are they going to do this? This will definitely work because kids are stupid. They don't know anything. Like Kamala said, they're stupid. They don't know how a VPN works.

Starting point is 02:52:13 And then when one of them finds out, they don't tell the others. That never happens. Okay. Just saying, just throwing that out there. I understand, but it's going to be interesting to see how, and there's amendments now being proposed that, you know, you can't require, so not only can you not have kids under 16 using your product, but you can't force, you can't tell governments that they need to provide digital IDs. So it's, the whole thing is a mess.

Starting point is 02:52:41 I don't know how they're going to do it. Doesn't it just come down to parents? There are a lot of parents around here who just, and you know, I've been at dinner with parents and their young boys, you know, ages ranging seven to 13, 14, and we'll be having pizza and we're chatting. And then they say, you know, because everyone always loves my phone, my flip phone, like, that's kind of fun. And I said, well, our kids aren't allowed to have phones. And they understand what and you always look at the boys and they always have that really sad look on their face.

Starting point is 02:53:16 Like, I'm the outcast of the group. I don't have a phone. But the parents are doing it. And there's a lot of parents who make agreements. My my my buddy buddy Dave Jones, the parents within the school, within the class that his daughter goes to, they've all organized themselves, they got together and said, we're all going to agree, no phones for these kids. And none of them have phones.

Starting point is 02:53:39 It's good development here in Fredericksburg, no phones in the school. That should be, I don't understand why, no phones in the school. That should be, I don't understand why there are phones in the school in the first place. How did it ever become okay to have phones in the school? It's the parents who say, well, I might need to reach my daughter or she might need to reach me in an emergency. How often does that happen? But it's like having a, it's like, if you go, I remember in the olden like, if you go, I remember in the olden days you'd go to some restaurant in Beverly Hills and there'd be some, some top producer, they'd put a phone on his table, like a phone with a wire.

Starting point is 02:54:16 Excuse me, I'm Mr. Dvorak, phone call for you. Like, oh, I'm very important. So you have that situation and that was always seen as like a little bit pretentious. Now everybody has a phone at the restaurant and there was the first few years of these phones at restaurants, people were like, ah, it's rude. People were talking on the phone in the restaurant. And then after a while, it's just caved. And okay, so now everybody's on the phone all the time everywhere. It's like how did it become okay for that and how did it become okay to have a phone a phone that can ring in a classroom? It's not about the phone

Starting point is 02:54:52 port. It's about the internet part. It's about the apps. It's about the the dopamine hits. It's about the the social media. It's about it's about it's about why do they allow it? If we were running the country things would be better yes we do some exciting things on the way including including John's tip of the day We also we have a couple of doctors of education to congratulate today along with title change in a night And of course some meetups But first we want to thank everybody who supported this particular episode of the no agenda show fifty dollars or above

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Starting point is 02:59:51 You've been D-douched. Maximalist in Cape Town, South Africa. Yeah. It's about time we got somebody there. Uh, he needs a D-douching as well, I see. Yeah. About time we got somebody there. He needs a deducing as well I see. 5623, yes a deducer. You've been deduced. We should have more listeners in Cape Town. That's good. Daniel Smith in Dayton, the cursors on top, what is this? Oh, Dayton, the cursor is on top, I said, what is this? Dayton, Ohio, 5547. We are now unburdened by what has been, he writes.

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Starting point is 03:01:30 You need more Danish women. Kevin Adam in Clover, South Carolina, 5272. Carl Vogler in Dillon Beach, California, 5272 with a Happy Thanksgiving. Scott Nelson in Council Bluffs, Iowa with a traditional 50-01. And now the last people on the list are all $50 donors. I'm going to just say their names and locations starting with Amy Galinas or Jelena Galinas in Burien, Washington. You've all been there. George Wuschet in Lavernea, Texas. Brian Emenheiser in Lancaster, California. John Taylor in Florissant, Colorado. Aaron

Starting point is 03:02:08 Kaiser in Lancaster, California, John Taylor in Florissant, Colorado, Aaron Weisgerber in Bend, Oregon, sorry, Richard Gardner, I think he's in New York City, Inaki Esparza Eloring in Mexico City, whose name I have nothing but trouble pronouncing. Andrew St. Clair in Salem, Oregon. Mansour, Mansour, I know how to pronounce this too. Mansour, I think. Rod, and he's in Alpharetta, Georgia. Steven D. Mann in Humble, Texas. He says the Liberty app is great.

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Starting point is 03:03:01 Healths. H-E-L-F-S-T in Fort Worth, Texas. Wanna thank all these people for making the Thanksgiving Day special. Y'all be Thanksgiving Day special producers making it a winner that it is. Thank you very much. Yes, thank you all very much.

Starting point is 03:03:18 And we did have a request for some baby making karma from Megan Carlotta. So I don't want to miss that because the more kids we're walking out there with our names, the better obviously, because that is the deal. You get baby making karma, you get a baby, you name it John or Adam, no matter what the gender is. Thank you to these producers, $50 and above.

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Starting point is 03:03:57 for episode 1,716, our Thanksgiving Day episode. Here's your baby making karma. Good luck. You've making karma. Good luck. You've got Karma no agenda donations calm that's no agenda donations calm Talia Dupree turns 41 today. Happy birthday, Talia. Tina Selby wishes her husband, Thailand Selby. A happy one turning 34 today. James Batsold wishes his mom, Katie, a happy 74. She'll be 74 tomorrow.

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Starting point is 03:04:49 Happy birthday from everybody here at the best podcast in the universe. And you heard him earlier as the top executive producer for today's episode. Sir Dan the man ups the ante there and now becomes an Earl so he will henceforth be known as Sir Dan the man Earl of Southwest Florida. And we thank you very much Sir Dan the man. It's always good to see a note from you and thank you very much for supporting us. Now we have three brand new doctors of education so I would like to congratulate Sir Dan the man, Lewis Kellogg and Dame Lady. Get over it. All three of you are now officially doctors of education in climate change studies. Congratulations. Put the tassel on the other side of your cap and hang

Starting point is 03:05:46 your book bag in the flagpole. Do they do that in America? The book bag in the flagpole? Nope. In Europe it is common. I don't know what it even refers to. When you graduate, then you run your book bag up the flagpole instead of a flag. Do you salute it?

Starting point is 03:06:07 No, you can if you want to. Maybe that's just a Dutch thing. Wouldn't surprise me. We have one night to welcome onto our podium here. If you can bring out the one night. Very nice. Hello, Louis Kellogg. Come on, or Lewis. Louis Kellogg, come on up. Thank you, sir, for your support of the Noah Genis Show and the amount of $1,000 or more.

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Starting point is 03:07:38 No agenda meetups. It's not your money! in Columbus, Ohio. On the list though, we have a really long list of meetups throughout the month of December. It's really, it's popular December to have meetups. So they also go into January. Yeah, it's the Christmas party. It's a substitute for the once established office Christmas parties that's then gone by the wayside.

Starting point is 03:08:18 Oh good, these are much better. Find yourself a No Agenda meetup on the calendar there, noagendameetups.com. You're not gonna regret this because you will meet people that will become your first responders in any kind of emergency. All of these meetups, they get their own little groups, they have telegram groups, they all communicate,

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Starting point is 03:09:06 You want to be where you want to be. Triggered or held aflame. You want to be where everybody feels the same. It's like a party. Now did you bring any ISOs? I have two, but before we do that, I want to mention something. Did you know that yesterday, Wednesday, the day before Thanksgiving is called Blackout Wednesday?

Starting point is 03:09:33 Is that when you get blackout drunk? Yeah, I guess there was a report on KTVU or local news station about the police are out in force trying to pick up drunks. Really? They arrest more drunks on Blackout Wednesday than any other time of the year. I did not know that. I found it. You think you'd know that by the, you know, I never heard of this before.

Starting point is 03:09:54 I don't know. I was too blacked out to hear the report. Blackout Wednesday. All right. What are your ISOs? I got two. Okay. I got Amazing.

Starting point is 03:10:03 That show was amazing. Not bad. Not bad. Got two. Okay, I got amazing that show was amazing No bad. Not bad and then I got the Dummies happy Thanksgiving you big dummies Well, they're both kind of good. I don't think I have anything that can compete I have this No, that's no good compared to those is no good. I have this one and then the only possible contender. What's that you got in your mouth?

Starting point is 03:10:28 You probably couldn't hear it. Yeah, it's mumbly. It says what's that you got in your mouth, which is kind of... Yeah. Which is, I guess, semi-appropriate for Thanksgiving, but... Let me see. Happy Thanksgiving, you big dummies. I kind of like that. That show was amazing.

Starting point is 03:10:43 Wow, it's a tough choice, John. What do you think? I think you can pick either one. They're both a winner. Yeah, but I asked you. You choose. I'm too tired to choose. I think happy. Well, the problem is calling people dummies is probably negative. Let's do amazing. Shall we just do amazing? That show was amazing. Yeah, amazing. Because it is amazing. The show is amazing. Not only is the show amazing, you know what else is amazing So this tip came from Jay or Back office

Starting point is 03:11:23 Worker also known as your daughter and Brennan who got married. I don't know over a year ago They they did finally going on their honeymoon. Oh How nice and they're gonna go to Japan and Dame Astrid and Mark are both gonna show them a you know, take him somewhere. Oh No, no, they're gonna meet up with him and they're going to hand deliver the Commodore ship to him. I think it's a surprise, but now it's not a surprise. They are going to be shown a good time. That's what I told them. Sir Mark and Dame Astrid are top notch people.

Starting point is 03:11:57 Yeah. And I told them, you know, well, who are these people? Well, they're two famous architects. Yeah. They're just kind of really famous. I'm just saying. Yeah. They're just kind of really famous. I'm just saying. Yeah. They're just kind of famous. Yeah. Yeah. Kind of famous. So, uh, but Jay's got chickens. Oh, who's going to take care of the chickens. Who's going to take care of the chickens? I asked her, cause I said, do I have, I'm thinking, do I have to go there and put the chickens in the coop? Me? I mean, so I doubted somewhat.

Starting point is 03:12:24 They're going to have friends go over there and look at chickens in the coop. Me, I mean, so, I doubt that, so somewhat, they're gonna have friends go over there and look at the house daily, daily. But the chicken thing is gonna be taken care of by the automatic chicken coop door. Oh no. Which is today's tip of the day for you people that think about having chickens but don't wanna deal with putting them in the coop

Starting point is 03:12:42 every night and then locking them in. The automatic chick, and you look at the Amazon's got a good one that they that they want to sell. It's 42 bucks. It's cheap. It's digital. It's got an anti-pinch feature so it doesn't crush any chickens. It's got a timer. So what happens is that you set it up and the chickens are out roaming around eating bugs and cleaning your yard up. And then when it gets dark, chickens naturally go back into the coop. That's what they always do. They just do it. And then as soon as it gets dark, the chicken coop door closes.

Starting point is 03:13:19 Yes. And locks them in there. And of course I ask what happens if it locks in a raccoon? Well, you know, you're going to have a raccoon in there anyway. And then it opens the next day and the chickens go back out. And I guess they've been using it for a couple of weeks. And I guess it works like a champ. So people out there looking to get chickens look

Starting point is 03:13:41 into the automatic chicken coop door. And when will they be coming back? In three weeks? No, no, they're coming back in like 10 days or so. Okay, so in 10 days, tip of the day will be the Amazon chicken remnant vacuum cleaner. You can guarantee it. There it is, ladies and gentlemen. Tipoftheday.net, knowagendafun.com. Great advice for you and me. Just a tip with JCB.

Starting point is 03:14:13 And sometimes Adam. Oh my, my, my. What a great tip. Always a good tip here. John's Tip of the Day, everybody. And that does it for our Thanksgiving spectacular thank you all for being here the trolls our live studio audience and those of you who are out there all of no agenda nation all our producers who produce in all facets in all manners thank you I am personally very thankful for you and I'm

Starting point is 03:14:42 sure I speak on behalf of my partner. End of show mixes, we've got the Maya, Sir Michael Anthony, the Maya of New York City, wish you a Happy Thanksgiving. Jeffrey Crocker, David Kecta who is auditioning, what's he auditioning for? He was auditioning for a band. That guy's an amazing drummer. He has a drum kit that's out of control in his house. Go look him up on YouTube, David Kecta. He's an amazing drummer. He has a drum kit that's out of control in his house. Go look him up on YouTube. David Kekta. He's good.

Starting point is 03:15:10 Up next on the No Agenda Stream, we've got that Larry show. That's right, that Larry guy and Darren O. And their episode is, Trump, the greatest comeback since Jesus Christ. We'll wait until JC comes back. He ain't seen nothing yet. Coming to you from the heart of the Texas Hill Country, in the morning everybody, and happy Thanksgiving. I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley where, hey, there's a couple football games on. Let's watch that. I'm John C. Dvorak. Remember us at knowagentredonations.com. We'll see you on Sunday. Adios, mofos, a hooey hooey and such. Happy Thanksgiving, New York City. As your plant-based centered mayor,

Starting point is 03:15:47 I'm gonna eat a plant-based centered lifestyle, even on a holiday. Y'all eatin' turkey and ham, while I am eatin' tofurky and yams. Enjoy your meat while you can. We already had Meatless Mondays in school. Then I run Vegan Fridays. And we going to keep trying to make all y'all plant based.

Starting point is 03:16:08 But if y'all still got to eat meat, the FDA just approved live grown chickens for human consumption. And if y'all still not satisfied with that, we gonna make y'all eat crickets and cockroaches. Like I said, enjoy that roast while you can. Y'all gonna be eating rats. But what is Lindy Hop?

Starting point is 03:16:29 You can actually kill somebody's cat and puncture their tires to get them to shut up. So, you know, this is what you get when you go to a trailer park with a hundred dollar bill. Yeah, no, well, whether you like it or not, I really don't care. We can make money and have an economic relationship with Ukraine to be very beneficial to enrich ourselves with rare earth minerals containing bad guys.

Starting point is 03:16:55 I don't even understand what that means. Let me come back and, you know, give you a better explanation. This war is about money. Lindsey Graham's not the problem. Here's the problem. Here's the problem as I see it. If you don't have any friends, go make some friends fight this bullshit.

Starting point is 03:17:13 This is gonna destroy America. We're gonna fight back at the ballot box. We're not gonna give in. By the text, what you say. Step aside, partner, it's my day Bend an ear and listen to my version Hatred Love, a really solid Tennessee excursion

Starting point is 03:17:39 Pardon me, boy, is that Putin's Yes, yes Kick his ass. Boy, you can give me a chance. That's how this went. End. Make your own dinner, Magga. Make your own sandwiches. Wipe your own tears.

Starting point is 03:18:00 Troll amongst yourselves with Elon and leave us alone. I just... I need to remind you, don't you ever let anybody take your power from you. Platforms are not regulated right now, which gives them car blocks to do whatever they want right now. Elon is not someone who likes to be regulated, so to buy MSN he would go under some federal regulations.

Starting point is 03:18:25 Who's regulating the Senate right now? The FCC. We are under attack. Russia has been using different levers. In this case, it's influencers like Donald Trump, like Elon Musk, who are really kind of so disfork. That's particularly troubling with Elon Musk in this case because Elon Musk has access to state secrets. He has top secret security clearance. It's possible that some of that is seeping through. Putin has been very effective in playing both Trump and Elon.

Starting point is 03:18:58 We are under attack. What is it that the Democrat Party has to do differently? I think that they need to change their policies.

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