No Agenda - 1723 - "Quademic"

Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey kids, stop petting dead animals. I'm here in Florence, Italy, in the morning everybody. I'm Adam Curry. And I'm from Northern Silicon Valley where it's wet. I'm John C. Dvorak. It's really fun. Really? In the morning. That's all you got? It's just wet. It's just wet everybody.

Starting point is 00:00:35 I thought you were gonna be in Amsterdam. No, I was in Amsterdam the first day and then now we're in Florence because we're here for Christmas. And for- I understood that you were going to go to right to Italy and to do whatever it was you're doing and then go to Amsterdam and do the show there. Well, you have it exactly backwards.

Starting point is 00:00:52 Now, don't you? Obviously. Now we went to Amsterdam first to do some stuff there. And then we went to Italy for my brother-in-law's 60th birthday and we're staying, we're gonna be here for Christmas. That's, that's what's going on. I can't, how did, how could you get that so wrong? I have no idea. It's unbelievable.

Starting point is 00:01:14 So we almost didn't make it tonight for the show, which was rather exciting. Well, this is going to be interesting story. Maybe not. Well, let's hope it is. But I do have a travel report. So, you know, we came to, well, let me start at the beginning. So Monday night before we left, we had the Boostergram Ball live in Austin at Antone's, which was, you know, a hootenanny. We had six bands.

Starting point is 00:01:39 It was all streaming live on the modern podcast apps. It was an amazing time. I just needed to say this because there was a guy named Parker who if he hasn't will be contacting you. He's doing a documentary on value for value. And of course I said I'll participate but only if you also interview John. Has he reached out yet? No, never heard of him. No, never heard of him. Well, there you go. He will.

Starting point is 00:02:08 He might be an email somewhere and you just haven't seen it as possible. I'll make sure we can. You can't do a value for value documentary without your side. This is very important. This guy, he's from New York. He's shaking. He's walking into Antone's and he's doing stuff for the setup. He's shaking. He's walking in Antones and he's doing stuff for the setup. He's shaking, visibly shaking. He said, what's going on? He said, I'm so sorry. I'm trying to

Starting point is 00:02:33 organize Airbnbs. I'm trying to get my family out of New York because an Army Ranger buddy of mine told me that there's a loose nuke and that's what all these drones are looking for. I said sit down son. Oh brother. But this is the degree to which that Psyop went. Still going on? Are you kidding? Yeah it is, it is to a degree. Which is of course what I predicted. I think it was going for another week. You think? Even I thought the shutdown phony shutdown kind of got rid of that. I guess not. Anyway, so... You milk it. You got it going. Well, they are definitely milking. Yeah, they're milking. What else can we do with this thing?

Starting point is 00:03:12 So... They're having meetings as we speak. Anyway, so we finally... so we stay overnight. Shaken. It was sad. This is the level that the PsyOps go to. He was trying to get an AirBnB for his family in West Virginia. It was sad. This is the level that the PsyOps go to. He was trying to get an Airbnb for his family in West Virginia or something. I'm like, dude, sit down, sit down.

Starting point is 00:03:34 Anyway, so we go back Tuesday and then Wednesday morning we leave, we get on the plane and we're flying to New York first, which I never like to do because New York is always a problem if you're connecting in New York. Yes, you're better off connecting in Atlanta. Which we couldn't get with the timing. So on the way back we're connecting in Atlanta. So you know we've got like an hour and a half layover and yeah of course low and behold before we're starting to board, we're sorry.

Starting point is 00:04:02 We're going to be delayed at least another hour, which to me means, okay, that'll be another two hours. And the reason, and this is Delta, the reason was they were out of pilots, which typically does not happen in the middle of the month. And they had given our pilot to another flight and were flying in a new pilot for us from Detroit. And he had not gotten on the plane in Detroit yet. another flight and we're flying in a new pilot for us from Detroit. And he had not gotten on the plane in Detroit yet. So, you know, it's just like, how's that an hour? No, it's two four. We had a four hour delay.

Starting point is 00:04:33 Oh, it took forever to forever to get out by the way, TSA and image recognition, facial recognition. It's everywhere including boarding on Delta, international flight. Now you'll recall, if you get on international flight, you stand in the line, you show the check-in agent, you show them your boarding pass and your passport. Please have your passport open to the picture page. You recall this, right? Of course.

Starting point is 00:05:01 Yeah. Well, that's no more. Just keep everything in your pocket. Just look in this little screen. Boom. Welcome aboard. So no boarding pass, no passport. It's all in the system.

Starting point is 00:05:15 Yeah, exactly. Sounds spoofable. Anyway, so we get into Amsterdam. I was going to do a TV interview. So we do it. We're late. Anyway, it all worked out fine. And the next day we get up on time and we fly to Florence.

Starting point is 00:05:36 Short flight, hour and a half. We land in Florence, a very small airport. There's, you know, they shove a stair to the plane. So you're walking on the tarmac. Yeah, one of those deals. You're walking in the baggage. Long Beach. And I'm just going to go to the bathroom for a second.

Starting point is 00:05:52 I walk in the bathroom. As I'm walking out, I hear, they're eating the dogs. So there's one of our producers with his wife, Alex and Annie, like, Hi, how you doing? I thought you guys were, I was hoping you might be on our flight. He's yelling, they're eating the dogs in the airport bathroom. Which was a good one. It was good. But I didn't, it didn't.

Starting point is 00:06:17 Most people go ITM. No, no, no. He started off with their eating the dogs. So, so. So we're in downtown Florence, it's fantastic. So we have a nice evening. So for us to have a nice dinner and the next day we're going to go off into the mountains. And everybody you talk to here, the minute they hear you from America, so they'll be talking with you, like, you know, the guy in the restaurant, he says,

Starting point is 00:06:53 um, can I ask you, uh, what do you, they're real careful. What do you think of Trump? And we go like, yeah, yeah, we think he's great. I love Trump. Trump has big balls. He's very good. We love Trump. Everybody here loves Trump. Oh, but they're reluctant to., oh, that's interesting because of the,

Starting point is 00:07:09 the blowback they get from the Democrats. Obviously everybody you talk to is, well especially the restaurants and retails. Oh no, Italy where Jor, Miloni is, you know, she is a, obviously a, uh, Trump. Well, she's going to be big. By the way, I saw a picture, not to change the subject, but I saw a picture of her, I guess when she was in the United States and she was with Biden and she was like, she had his head on this.

Starting point is 00:07:34 She has got some sort of granddad thing with Biden and she feels bad about, I mean, we've noticed this over the last couple of years that Maloney is really got something going on with Biden. She feels bad about it or something. I don't know what it is. And so, you know, I actually, I said to a couple of these people, I said, so, but you know, you've got Maloney. Yes, Maloney has big balls too. But, but she like a Biden. She like a Trump. She like Elon, Elon, Elon. Who? Oh, Elon. Biden she'd like a Trump. She'd like Elon Elon Elon who don't Elon Because you know she had to have Elon She's all hot and heavy for Elon according to everybody here because she had I didn't know that yeah, she had him

Starting point is 00:08:13 Give him give her an award and had you know specifically requested the yes This did crop up yeah, and then of course they all talk about tariffs, which will be my first clip. Because they're very worried about the tariffs. They've all been psy-op'd here. It's like, oh no, we think Trump is good, but it's not good for our economy because we can't export our goods. It'd be big tariffs and Trump is going to punish us. I've got my Italian English down really good.

Starting point is 00:08:48 Well, I don't know if you got it good or not. So there's this huge article in the Financial Times yesterday morning. And I got a copy of it here for you. Trump wants 5% NATO defense spending target. So now remember, it was 2% GDP for all NATO members. Now Trump somehow through the Financial Times, because he hasn't said it anywhere himself, no, Donald Trump's team has told European officials that the incoming US president will demand NATO member states increase defense spending to 5% of

Starting point is 00:09:28 GDP. Now like this is a front page of the Financial Times, so I'm reading through this and then a little bit further down it says One person said they understood that Trump he would settle for 3.5% But he was explicitly planning to link higher defense spending and the offer of more valuable trading terms with the US. So what he's doing here is very interesting because of course, 5%, 3.5%, 2.5% is all going to be spent on us, on our companies. Defense spending means you're buying from Boeing and Raytheon and our guys, as far as I know.

Starting point is 00:10:06 They may be trying to- Well, there are European suppliers to a certain thing. Yeah. It's not the kind of- No, it's not that kind of money. And so that- It's not the leverage we have. And so he's tying that to tariffs. And so the message is, well, everyone pays 5%, but yeah, I'll take three and a half,

Starting point is 00:10:23 which is still almost double the two percent. Then maybe I'll go easy on your tariffs. He's already dealing. Then as if just by God's grace, our boy Rutte comes out and talks about this big European Union meeting going on. Everyone's out there talking. Our friend Mark Rutte comes out, but you know, I won't talk about what is in the financial times this morning, but I will talk about it because I think I'm working for Trump. I saw that piece in the FT today and this 3% being mentioned. And I decided today not to mention a new figure.

Starting point is 00:11:00 We will need more time to consult amongst allies. Yes, we don't want to talk about the five percent what exactly the new level should be but it is in considerably more than two percent but let me be very frank if you would only spend more and not spend better you have to go to at least four percent oh okay and you can lower the four percent by doing two things one is innovation making sure that you get the most innovative technology as part of your defense industrial base and therefore in your defense organization.

Starting point is 00:11:34 And secondly, by buying together. I love this guy. It's like, hey, you know, three and a half percent, okay, but maybe 4% if you make it smart and innovative. So join procurement. percent okay but maybe four percent if you make it smarter in an innovative so joint procurement and as I said in my speech we have to get rid of that idiotic system where every ally is having these detailed requirements which makes it almost impossible to buy together to have joint procurement etc so it is crucial that we spend not only more, but also better because otherwise

Starting point is 00:12:06 the financial impact will be huge. And then not even with 4%, you can defend yourselves because then you would not have the latest technologies implemented in your defense organizations, in your armies, in your Navy, in the whole of your military. This guy is such a tool that he didn't even read the article. Trump's already at three and a half and he's trying to negotiate down to four. What a tool.

Starting point is 00:12:30 This is amazing. That guy. Yeah. What a numb. Everybody hears laughing about him. Anyway, so we went up to the mountain last night. It was a fun, fun, fun, fun party. Anyway, so we went up to the mountain last night too. It was a fun, fun, fun, fun party. It was, I think, 18 people.

Starting point is 00:12:51 My sister, both sisters were there, of course, and their kids, and we're all hanging out in this, you have to go up with a bus, it's an hour, about an hour and a half from Florence, and there's snow, and it's completely idyllic and We come down with and you go up with the cable car the last bit of the way the whole thing's perfect Then we're supposed to leave at 330 which would get me here in time to still do some prep work before Before the show starts and we get down to the bus and the guy's like, well, my left windshield wiper motor

Starting point is 00:13:26 broke, I can't drive because now it's sleet or it's raining. And I'm like, oh crap. You know, I gotta find a cab. The closest cab is an hour away. It's taken an hour for him to get here. And then I'm like, I'm never gonna make this. And then the Italians jump in.

Starting point is 00:13:42 Dedication to the show, ladies and gentlemen. Make sure you pay attention to what he's talking about. It was like oh this cab ride will cost you 400 euros. I don't know we got to get to the show so we got to get home. And I was like oh what are we going to do? I'm sorry. And the cab's not answering and youow, of course, is fluent in Italian. She's trying to figure it out. And I say, will anybody drive? And Tina's like, hold on, hold on a second. I don't want any nut job Italian driving us home.

Starting point is 00:14:15 Hold on a second. And then meanwhile, my nephews, they had done the most Italian thing ever. They bribed the driver and said, you just, you drive down halfway down the mountain before you get on the highway. You bribe the driver. Yes. We get on the highway. You have another bus to pick us up and they arranged it. And so we, we still got here later than expected, but anyway, it was, it was an Italian, a total Italian caper loved it. You know,

Starting point is 00:14:41 I can lose my license. Ah, here, here's the euros. Okay. All right. I'm good. Yeah, I'm good. I'm it. You know, the other guy, I can lose my license. Ah, here, here's the euros. Oh, okay. All right, I'm good. Yeah, I'm good. I'm good. I'll get you guys home. So, that was good. It was good. It was in, you know, and so we're here and then we're going to spend Christmas here and

Starting point is 00:14:58 then go back to Amsterdam and then spend one more day to do the show on Thursday and then we'll fly back home. So that maybe that's where I got me. I did that. You probably told me that. I wanna thank Strokey Bill, Bill Walsh for the last episode of best of episode. I could not have wished for a better response.

Starting point is 00:15:19 I don't know what you saw, but everybody was just, oh my God, this was such a great episode, but it freaked me out. I hated going back to that. You know, it was a reminder. Are we going into that again with this bird flu nonsense? I think Bill did a great job. He really did.

Starting point is 00:15:39 He was, he was irked. We didn't use his art, but I thought Nick Dyrack's art was great. And the title, of course, we didn't say COVID retrospective 2. He was irked we didn't use his art. We have artists. That's strokey Bill. And we didn't use his title, COVID retrospective 2. Instead, it was This Really Happened, which you suggested, which was a great title.

Starting point is 00:16:01 And I think it really set the mood and people enjoyed it. They enjoyed it. You know, they enjoyed it. And as far as you can enjoy this kind of a look back and a lot of people said, boy, how quickly we've forgotten that the lies, because this took us up to the

Starting point is 00:16:15 vaccine. This didn't even include the vaccine nonsense. No, this is just the pre-lies. Yeah, the pre-lies. Yeah, it's just a lot of, yeah, set pre lies. Yeah. The pre. I could call them post pre pre lies. Yeah. The set up lies. Yeah. It's just, it's just a lot of, yeah. Set up lies. Set up lies. So anyway, you know, there was, I don't have this clip, but there was, uh, uh, I guess Harvey Mandel has a podcast. How we, how we, how Harvey,

Starting point is 00:16:42 not Harvey. Okay. How we. Howie Mandel, yeah. Howie's got, you know, who is a germaphobe. And big time. Oh, with RFK Jr. Yeah, did you see the any clips from that? I saw the clip, but they didn't, the one where he, Howie Mandel and his whole crew couldn't believe that all these people had said,

Starting point is 00:17:05 the shot is safe, effective, and you won't get COVID, you can't give COVID to anybody. And they're like, no, that didn't happen. That's the clip you're talking about. I was stunned by this. It was quite amazing. And I think Kennedy was stunned too. He was going, wait a minute, I got clips here if you want to hear them. And they wouldn't play them, but it's like they were in denial. Is that, you think denial or ignorance? I mean, I can't put my finger on it, but it was like, wait a minute,

Starting point is 00:17:33 if you're going to be doing these public podcasts like this, you have to have some basic knowledge, it seems to me. Um, maybe I can find the clip real quick. Well, the thing that at the very end, cause he's saying, you know, Fauci was saying this and then he says Rachel Maddow and then Howie Mandel goes, oh, Rachel Maddow doesn't count. Like all of a sudden, Rachel Maddow is no good. You know, you know, he's all up her butt. Here, I'll have the clip.

Starting point is 00:18:00 They say what they're saying out of 22,000 people, there was one COVID death among the vaccinated and there was two COVID deaths on the unvaccinated. Double. 22,000 people. So, and that allowed them to claim it's 100% effective. Effective for what? You can't use the word effective. You remember they kept saying it's 100% effective. No, they just said it really negates the severity. I can play, if you go on the internet, you can see Tony Fauci. But the word effective didn't say you won't get COVID. I never heard you won't get COVID. Oh yeah, well, this is a different subject.

Starting point is 00:18:33 But yeah, in fact, I saw a tape yesterday of them, all of Biden, Fauci, Gates, you know, Burl, all of them saying, if you take the vaccine, Rachel Maddow, if you take the vaccine, you can't get COVID, you can't pass COVID. I didn't see that. Okay. Well, you know what? Can I play it for you? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:18:52 All right. Wait, wait, wait. It doesn't matter what Rachel Maddow said. Oh, really? They say what they're saying out of 22,000 people. Sorry. There you go. It doesn't matter what Rachel Maddow said.

Starting point is 00:19:03 Oh my gosh. I mean, this is the state of the podcasting world thanks to you. So now it's my fault that Harvard Mandel, what's his name? Harvard. That's even better. Harvard Mandel. That Harvard Mandel, that he, well, you know what happened was when it didn't work out that way, they switched the messaging.

Starting point is 00:19:25 I guess the last messaging is what weak minded brothers and sisters remember. Final messaging was still, cause floors me as my absolute favorite. I was almost going to pull a clip for today's show. They all had shots and they all got COVID and then, and they changed the messaging to, well, you won't be hospitalized. You won't have any severe symptoms, which is proving a negative. There's no way of proving that. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:19:52 And that was the message they switched. Well, yeah, you might get it, but. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And then he had these people coming out saying, oh, I got, I just picked, I had COVID. Luckily I had the shot. Yeah. What? Yeah. So that you sort of wouldn't be so severe and I had COVID. Luckily I had the shot. Yeah. What? Yeah. So that you sort of wouldn't be so severe and you won't have to go to the hospital.

Starting point is 00:20:09 That's, that's the only messaging they remember because I think their brains are so small that it's, you know, in and out. Like you put messaging in and oh, here comes new messaging. God, what do I do with this message? Oh, get rid of it. Well, there is a, there's, is definitely a last in first out issue here where they don't remember anything that took place before the last message. It's crazy. It's crazy. And so, well, I mean, so it's unbelievable.

Starting point is 00:20:37 They're still trying to do this, this bird flu thing ever since, what's his face, Hotepp, ever since he said, oh, it's all coming. Oh, it's January 21st is when it all starts. All these viruses are coming. Here's NPR. This is a short clip, very good summary. And I have many more if we want to listen to them. A very good summary of this one patient.

Starting point is 00:21:05 So one patient is not doing too well. This one patient is over 65. We only know he or she is over 65, has preexisting conditions. This was a big one during COVID. All the people who had to go on the vent had preexisting conditions. And that's all we really know for privacy reasons.

Starting point is 00:21:30 But you know this thing could jump from human to human pretty soon you know. But do you worry that a virus is getting stronger? John Connor who's a professor at Boston University says viruses are essentially right now going to the gym and getting stronger you know when they spread. This is NPR. Talk to the professor. The professor says well right now going to the gym and getting stronger. You know, when they spread. This is NPR. Talk to the professor, the professor says, well, right now the viruses are going to the gym and getting stronger. Okay, NPR. As viruses are essentially right now going to the gym

Starting point is 00:21:56 and getting stronger, you know, when they spread, birds, cows, other animals, they're mutating potentially. So do you worry about that as well? You know, Robin, I'm in public health, so it's my job to worry. Oh yeah, oh yes. I am worried. Yes.

Starting point is 00:22:11 But the stronger that I'm worried about is less about how bad an individual infection is, as worried as I am about that. It's more about the ability for this virus to stick better to humans. And the stickier it becomes to humans, the higher the probability that we get transmission from person to person.

Starting point is 00:22:30 Now, if that happens, the severity of this illness will be something we consider, but we've known for some time that this influenza could cause serious illness in people. So that's pretty well known, and it's not surprising to me that somebody with these pre-existing conditions would have a serious case. But what I'm watching for is the stickiness, the increased probability that we're seeing

Starting point is 00:22:50 human cases or if this were to jump between a human and another human. And so as we think about strength of the virus, I want us to think about transmissibility more than we think about severity. These guys are all getting jacked up again with the same messaging. And everyone's in on it. Here's ABC and we have the first very severe case. Severe case. According to the CDC, the very first severe case of bird flu has been confirmed here in the United States. What's the latest? Starting on a serious note, this year alone there have been more than 60

Starting point is 00:23:24 documented cases of human avian influenza. We're talking about H5N1, otherwise known as bird flu. If you'll take a look at this map, the cases are relatively widespread. The majority of cases, I want you to focus on California. They have more than half of the documented cases of bird flu. This comes after the... They're throwing up maps.

Starting point is 00:23:41 They're throwing up maps. You know, they have six. Maps. We got maps. We up maps. They're throwing up maps. You know they have maps. We got maps. Newsom has announced a state of emergency in order to organize resources and fight against this outbreak. And this comes after the first, as you said, severe case of bird blue. I sat in conference with federal health officials and the CDC yesterday to get more information. Here's what you need to know about this case. This patient has a severe illness.

Starting point is 00:24:03 They're hospitalized. The specifics about their case are still being reported from the Department of Health in Louisiana. They're over the age of 65, and reportedly they have become exposed to sick or dead birds within their home, their backyard. And right now they're suffering from quote unquote severe respiratory illness. Of course, as I said,

Starting point is 00:24:19 we're still getting more details about this case, but this is certainly an inflection point in this outbreak as we try to contain this virus. This is exactly the same script although you know it's not as I don't know if it's as scary but it's exactly the same script respiratory severe respiratory disease oh well we don't know it's the first severe case how concerned should we be? Just how big of a threat is this? Yeah important to know the majority of these cases there's 60 cases, are patients, people who have been exposed to sick or dead animals and that seems to be where that transmission, that risk comes from. These animals can release this virus in mucus and saliva

Starting point is 00:24:54 and so petting or touching dead animals can increase that risk and the- Hey kids, stop petting dead animals. This is not a good idea. It's not a good idea. Animals can increase that risk and the symptoms to look out for and we've received memorandums in our emergency rooms to identify patients who might be at risk symptoms of sore throat, cough, fever, muscle aches. The typical symptoms you would see with the flu and the best way to avoid is to make sure number one

Starting point is 00:25:19 if you have animals specifically wild birds if you're managing or a farmer you have to make sure that you're taking care and being cautious and washing your hands. Backyard chickens, they're going to get rid of that. That'll be the next thing. Well, they'd like to, but that's not a wild bird. Backyard chicken. Don't pet the chicken. A mask, being mindful of that. But again, it's majority of those who are exposed to sick or dead animals. So that is where you need to take that caution. All right. Let's go to CBS, Dr.

Starting point is 00:25:48 Celine Gounder, who I believe I believe was her husband who dropped dead at the at the Olympics from no from the shot. Well, allegedly, there's no evidence. So let's let's talk about this. Is it the same strain as what's going on with dairy cattle? It is not the same strain. It is a strain that we have seen in wild birds and also the strain involved with the teenager who was hospitalized in critical condition from H5N1 in British Columbia, Canada. Oh, hold on a second. Something new going on here.

Starting point is 00:26:21 Isn't H5N1 and h5n1 The different strain of h5n1 wouldn't that be some other designation as opposed to h5n1? I would think so It makes no sense It makes no sense what she said. No, is it based on their own way of their own nomenclature? Doesn't make sense. But okay, let's assume is h5nN1.2. Now remember, there's a lot of different agendas that are going on here. A lot of people are involved in these types of psychological operations against people.

Starting point is 00:26:58 So we already have the backyard chickens who can't have that. Oh, there's still more. But so people at home hearing this are gonna say, well, so he was handling birds. Is there a concern now though, that people could pass it to other people? Very good question.

Starting point is 00:27:11 So yes, his exposure was sick and dead birds. So for those of us at home, do not handle sick or dead animals. Call- Do not attack the dead animals. Animal control. But in terms of human- Wait, hold on a second.

Starting point is 00:27:25 So you got five chickens in your backyard. Yeah. And one of the chickens drops dead, which they do. They get old, you know, different things happen. They get egg bound, which is a real problem. What's egg bound? Oh, that's where the eggs get too big

Starting point is 00:27:40 and they can't get them out. Oh, oh no. And they just clog them up and they drop dead. Oh, that happens to chickens? It happens a lot. In fact, we have a, Jay has a bunch of chickens and she, she, a little chicken background here. That's literally too many eggs dot com.

Starting point is 00:27:57 I mean, that's bad. Too many eggs dot com with the information. So she got a couple of these, she's got chickens and those are the eggs I use for my raw milkshake for the show. And she found one of the chickens, it's got a nice big egg and it's got double yolks. Which is a cool egg to have. But Mimi gave me a lecture about these double yolks. I mean, you run into them every once in a while, even the jumbo eggs when you see jumbo

Starting point is 00:28:23 eggs. She says, generally speaking, those chickens don't live a long life because these eggs are too big, and they will get egg bound. And then they can't lay the egg and get stuck in them, and then the next thing you know, the chicken's dead. So by the way, these people are talking, if you have a dead chicken in your backyard,

Starting point is 00:28:39 you gotta call animal control to pick them up, are you kidding me? You gotta call CDC, they're coming with hazmat suits. Give me a break. Call animal control to pick them up? Are you kidding me? You gotta call CDC that are coming with hazmat suits. Give me a break. Let's call animal control. But in terms of human to human transmission, the concern is the more we allow spillover into humans, the more likely at some point you might see a mutation

Starting point is 00:28:57 that would allow for human to human transmission. Because most people don't come in contact with sick or dead birds. Right. They keep talking about, oh, it's just one little hop before you know it. Human to human transmission. Then we'll have a pandemic. Everybody's going to die.

Starting point is 00:29:11 But whatever you do, don't drink the raw milk. How big of a concern should all of us feel watching and listening to you? Right. So for the general public, the risk is still exceedingly low. The people who are at risk are farm workers, people who handle domesticated animals, livestock, and really don't drink raw milk. It's really not a good idea going to everything that's happening. And again, the more people get exposed to this virus, the more likely you are to see a mutation that will allow for human to human

Starting point is 00:29:40 transmission. Man, you say that to an Italian, by the way. The minute you eat some food in Italy, you realize right away what slop we get in America. Oh yeah, Europeans, Italy and France, both, and even Germany, if you go there. But they're all throughout the areas are there. The food is just, there's no comparison and they like it more.

Starting point is 00:30:03 It's just better. It's prepared well and they know what they're doing and it's delicious. Yeah. And, you know, so in the morning here we had, uh, you know, they have a buffet breakfast, oh, you like cheeses. We have a good cheese. I have very good cheeses here. And the lab food labeling here, they have a label, which is zero KM.

Starting point is 00:30:22 Means zero kilometers mean that that cheese came from less than one kilometer away. And the cheese is raw. Oh, it sure is. Sheep cheese, goat cheese, all kinds of cheese. Yes. All raw. It's all raw milk. It's all it's not pasteurized and the cheeses are so much better because of that. I mean, every once in a while some of that raw milk cheese can sneak into the United States even though they make a big fuss when it does is delicious. It's so good. All of it. The meats, just everything. It's good and you just think oh man we get come on RFK jr. You know the FDA is now talking about oh we have

Starting point is 00:31:01 to change our food labels we have to explain what healthy means. And so healthy will mean, well, it has some carrots. It's ridiculous. We are so far off base. And I know it's funny. And they ask like, so Uncle Adam, what is with the guy who killed the CEO? Why is he a hero? And I say, well, let me explain what the typical cost is of health insurance. And when I say, you know, 1500 bucks, you get an $8,000 deductible.

Starting point is 00:31:33 They're like, what? We pay $150 a month and then a 300 euros and a 350 euro deductible. I said, now you might wait in line for six months. Yeah. I said, that sucks. But they can't believe it. Like, oh, well, yeah. Now all of a sudden they get it. Like, oh, okay. Anyway, let's go to a Anne Thompson with dr. Peter chin hall. Uh, hold on a second. So this guy, he's a local. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:32:04 So he is on the local stations here in the Bay Area. Yes. All the time. And he's kind of greasy and he's got a funny mustache and he's just like, he's always like, he's like a guy who would say, hey, wipe your, wipe your face, you're all sweaty. And he's, he is just, every time you turn around, get more shots. The CDC says the strain that has infected dairy cows is different from the one that sent the Louisiana resident to the hospital.

Starting point is 00:32:34 Nine states have reported human cases of bird flu this year, and tonight California has declared a state of emergency over the outbreak to give local agencies more resources to prevent it from becoming a bigger problem. People should be alert, they should be vigilant, but not scared. It really reminds us all to get flu shots right now because we've got infected with both bird flu and human flu. They can exchange genes and really make a variant that is more easily able to enter the human body and make us more sick.

Starting point is 00:33:09 Yeah, oh, easily. It's easily, it's going to happen. How concerned should we be? Just what is the threat to the general public? The good news is, Lester, the CDC says the threat is low. There's no evidence of person-to-person transmission. It has all been from infected animals to humans. So the advice is to avoid sick or dead animals. And if you own a backyard flock, you're a hunter

Starting point is 00:33:32 or a bird enthusiast, wear personal protective gear, gloves and masks when dealing with the animals. The same is true for farm workers. Okay, man. Thanks for that update. That's a great update. Thank you. So you think that's crazy? You think that they're pushing some shots? How about the UK? They've pulled a classic out. Norovirus, Coronavirus, Influenza, and RSV, which is another seasonal virus. NHS bosses are lumping those four things together in a thing they're calling the quad Demick is a massive massive risk to the NHS right now listen to that music that's the BBC the quad Demick the quad I mean, yeah. Quademic!

Starting point is 00:34:30 Perfect. Perfect. Very good. Let's learn a little bit about the quademic, shall we? Because there's something going on in the UK. BBC Radio. It'll be a long time before we forget the rush to find a vaccine for COVID-19. You remember those months in 2020 when the development of the mRNA vaccine was sped up and eventually led to this breakthrough that could now be

Starting point is 00:34:53 used to protect against another of our most disruptive winter bugs, norovirus. Norovirus. John, before we go to NBC who are jumping on this train, what is Norovirus? Yeah, everyone's got, had a case of, I think I've had Norovirus three times. Mm-hmm. It's a very strange product. You get, it's like, it's about a, it's like a, I think it used to be called a 24 hour flu or the 24 hour bug. Yeah. Until they got a cool name for it. Yeah. I want to get the name for it, but it gives you, it's,

Starting point is 00:35:32 it lasts a day and you end up throwing up and having intense diarrhea for about one, about 24 hours. And it's like, you lose five to six pounds. It's one of the best diet. It's better than Ozempic. It's much better than Ozempic because it's faster and it kind of cleans you out. Ozempic doesn't do that.

Starting point is 00:35:55 You don't need a shot. Oh, that's great. You don't need a shot in the gut. By the way. But yeah, norovirus comes and goes. It usually comes in groups. We had a norovirus recently. I was watching the news last night.

Starting point is 00:36:09 Norovirus is also free. You don't have to pay a thousand bucks for your OZM. It's free. When you get it, you know if you've already had noro, you know it's noro because it hits you so hard and so fast. And it's not just debilitating really, except that you have to sit on the toilet a lot. That's kind of debilitating. But there's a last night's news. There was an outbreak of Noro in out of, uh, some restaurant, uh, big meetup in LA and there were, it came from the oysters. Yeah, I have the, I have the clips. You have the clip on that too. I have the clips. Let me see this is NBC Dr. Natalie Azar.

Starting point is 00:36:52 You mentioned the UK they're calling what's happening over there a quademic. And they mean flu, RSV and norovirus right? What's happening over there? So they are seeing right now what the UK is seeing, is a pretty significant rise in flu hospitalizations and deaths over what they saw a year ago at this time. What happens in Europe is very likely going to be mirrored here in North America. A lot of times we follow or we make predictions about the flu season based on what happened in the southern hemisphere. This past year the southern hemisphere had a pretty predictably bad season so we're not

Starting point is 00:37:30 anticipating a season that's worse for us here Ellison than in previous years. It's coming. This is the time. This is the time that we start to see that uptake. This is the time. Vaccination rates in the UK aren't that great. For people under the age of 65 only 22 percent are getting vaccinated. It's not good enough. Usually this year we're targeting at about 50 percent of adults getting vaccinated. As we mentioned for kids 39 percent of kids are getting vaccinated. This year that's significantly lower than last year and much much too low but we have time to make it up. Flu season is early we are not nearly out of the woods yet. If you get vaccinated now, you'll be protected for the holidays. This is the message. You don't want to be in a quodemic like those limeys. Get vaccinated.

Starting point is 00:38:11 When you look at the quodemic in the United Kingdom and the impact of R.V.S., R.S.V., norovirus, flu, and COVID, should Americans look at that and say, okay, it's time now, I think she said it wrong. Did she? Yeah, at first. Norovirus, flu and COVID. Should Americans look at that and say, okay, it's time now, even if we missed what we thought was the window to get vaccinated for the flu or COVID, we should all still go? 100%. 100%. 100%.

Starting point is 00:38:37 You missed the window, take the shot anyway. Flu and COVID, it is definitely not too late. RSC is a one and done. So you're older and you got the RSC. Yeah, remember J&J, one and COVID, it is definitely not too late. RSC is a one and done. So you're older and you got the RSC. Yeah, remember J&J, one and done. The SP vaccine last year, great. You're protected. You don't need to get that repeated.

Starting point is 00:38:53 Norovirus, the most common culprit of foodborne illness in this country. Hand washing, hand washing, hand washing and staying home if you're sick. You certainly don't wanna get more than one of these bugs at the same time, you going to feel pretty crummy. So here's the LA report, this is also an NBC and they have Dr. Vin Gupta coming in, but they make it is they can't, they know that they're full of crap.

Starting point is 00:39:17 They know what they're doing. They know that they are bending their knee to their big pharma overlords get the shot. And so they put this package together and the news model guy, he can't stop laughing about it all into the segment. What did we eat? Oh! Singsagon are you doing? It's coming out of me like lava!

Starting point is 00:39:38 For real though, health officials say at least 80 people got sick with norovirus after eating raw oysters. Santa Monica Seafood, one of the vendors for the event, tells NBC News they found no evidence of mishandling, but officials are still investigating. Now the FDA is warning that a bigger outbreak linked to oysters and clams originally from British Columbia were shipped to the country is ongoing

Starting point is 00:40:04 and they have since been recalled. NBC News medical contributor Dr. Vin Gupta joins us now. Dr. Vin Gupta thanks for being with us. That was a bad choice to show that clip because it's not funny to have a neurovirus. So let me just reset here. This is a nightmare. I've had neurovirus before. Like how quickly can something like this spread? Goddy, good evening. And I prescribed a glass of water for you. We should, you know, something about neurovirus is exactly that.

Starting point is 00:40:39 It spreads quickly. Unfortunately, you know, cruise ships, we often hear about the cruise ship nightmare where neurovirus is in one of, say, in the buffet or in the raw salad, and it spreads quickly. And part of the reason is it sticks onto our hands, it sticks onto food, and it's hard to kill. And so that's why we're seeing this in oysters.

Starting point is 00:41:00 It's not surprising. It can happen from time to time. The fact that it's spreading, especially from these distributors are frankly unsurprising But unfortunately just it does mean a lot of people get really sick So it's so this norovirus is it's not is it a seasonal thing now, isn't it? Is it just it happens when it happens? I mean, where does it come from? It just happens when it happens. Hmm Well, it's happening in Canada

Starting point is 00:41:23 the common cold the With flu and RSV. With the colder weather and more- There's a net pop of someone coughing. Isn't that great? I love it. The common cold, the flu and RSV. With the colder weather and more indoor gatherings, respiratory viruses are on a gentle up- Hold on a second.

Starting point is 00:41:40 Stop the clip. So, I would like somebody to find for me, to find some, somebody has archives of old shows. I would like to see one piece of evidence from a decade ago, just 10 years, not a lot, not 20, not 50, 10 years ago, where anyone ever mentioned RSV. Yeah, I don't think we have it. I don't think you can find it from five years ago.

Starting point is 00:42:08 Well, no, here's one from 2016. Here's 2016, let's see what this is, hold on. Party was only supposed to be for family and friends, but tens of thousands descended on a small town in Mexico Monday for a teenage girl's traditional 15th birthday celebration after the invitation video was accidentally posted publicly. I'm sorry. That's RSVP's. No, here is one. RSVP. I don't have anything before 2021. Not that I have in my clip archive. So I think you're right.

Starting point is 00:42:45 I don't think you'll find anything. This is a bullshit deal. Let's continue. They're just adding it on there because they're going to have some, oh, they have the vaccination. So it's all about vaccinations. It's not about anything really. That's right. And that's, yeah.

Starting point is 00:42:57 Play the clip. The common cold, the flu and RSV. With the colder weather and more indoor gatherings, respiratory viruses are on a gentle upswing across Canada. A gentle upswing, that's the Canadian version of uptick. And immunologists like Craig Jenney are worried. Worried. So what we're seeing across Canada

Starting point is 00:43:18 is uptick in a number of these infections. According to the latest numbers from the Public Health Agency of Canada released today, COVID rates are holding steady, while RSV or respiratory syncytial virus and influenza are on the rise, pushing some Calgary hospitals over capacity. There has been, at least in Alberta, much reduced testing for infections. So I think when we're looking at actual confirmed cases those numbers may be a little misleading very young children and the elderly are the most likely to get seriously sick from these viruses

Starting point is 00:43:51 among infants RSV can lead to complications and hospitalizations while influenza can quadruple the risk of heart attack and triple the risk of stroke among those 65 and up and flu cases are expected to increase. I feel there really is a lot less urgency. Toronto pharmacist Serena Henlon says a month ago she was administering flu or COVID shots every 15 minutes. That's changed now.

Starting point is 00:44:17 We were busier in October than we were compared to last year in October. And then in December, we noticed that it sort of just drops off on a cliff. People who want their vaccines have already had them. With so many Canadians coming together for the holidays Hanlon Bogos and Jenny all say it's important to try and limit the spread of viruses by avoiding gatherings if you're feeling unwell and getting vaccinated. Yeah get vaccinated. This of course is all over the news.

Starting point is 00:44:45 And I could only find a 30-second clip of a really interesting big pharma news. New this morning, the largest pharmacy chain in the United States is accused of filling unlawful prescriptions for opioids. The Department of Justice has filed

Starting point is 00:44:59 a lawsuit against CVS for violating both the Controlled Substances Act and the False Claims Act. The filing alleges that over the past decade, the pharmacy knowingly filed or filled prescriptions that were not valid or legitimate. It's also accused of filling dangerous quantities of opioids or prescriptions written by those known to be engaged in so-called pill mills. CVS has denied those claims. Shhh, don't talk about that. Shh! Shh!

Starting point is 00:45:26 Well, back to the diseases. There's one that I don't think you caught in your listing. Oh, did I miss one? Did I miss a disease? Yeah, the thing that this may have gotten by, this is pretty new. This is a plague, a plague of walking pneumonia. Just in time for the holidays, a rise in cases of a contagious lung infection across the country is causing alarm, especially for parents of young children. Allie Rogan talks with an infectious disease specialist about what's behind the spike. The colder months usually mean more time indoors and higher rates of respiratory illnesses

Starting point is 00:46:02 like the flu and COVID. But now the CDC is tracking an uptick in cases of so-called walking pneumonia. The respiratory illness usually sickens school-aged children and teens, but this year toddlers are being hit the hardest. Dr. Donald Dumford is the infectious disease specialist at Cleveland Clinic.

Starting point is 00:46:19 Dr. Dumford, thank you so much for being here. What is walking pneumonia and how does it differ from other types of pneumonia? How do I get it? Well, when we talk about walking pneumonia versus a more classic case of pneumonia, essentially it's typically causing a more mild course of illness. If you think about a typical case of pneumonia, you're going to see abrupt onset of symptoms, whereas with walking pneumonia, which is typically caused by a bacteria called mycoplasma, you're going to see kind of a gradual onset over a few days leading to the illness.

Starting point is 00:46:49 So it's going to be a few days where you start to feel poorly, you start to get a cough, you start to get a fever, and really over about three to five days, you get a fever, headache, muscle aches, and then start to get a pretty bad cough with it. Well, this is interesting. One of our pastor's kids at the church had walking pneumonia and really it was like, he wasn't feeling good for a couple days and he just wasn't getting better. They went to the doctor.

Starting point is 00:47:15 The doctor said, oh, you have walking pneumonia, got some antibiotics and he was back on his feet. You know, it wasn't a huge deal. Yeah, I said, walking pneumonia, you're gonna walk. That's what it's's a walking pneumonia. You're going to walk. That's what it's called, walking pneumonia. You're wandering around. And boogie woogie blues is the other half of that, which you don't get that often. Boogie woogie blues?

Starting point is 00:47:32 Have you ever heard the song, walking pneumonia and the boogie woogie blues? No. No, it's just foreign to me. Oh, look it up. It's probably, it is foreign to you. Yeah, because- Yeah, the walking pneumonia. So let's go, I got these two more clips on it.

Starting point is 00:47:46 All right, let's go. What do we know at this point about why toddlers and other young children are being affected so much this year as compared to previous years? When you think about mycoplasma, typically we see that about every three to five years, there's a cyclical increase in cases. So normally, no matter what happens, every three to five years you see a rise. We really didn't see that rise that we expected

Starting point is 00:48:10 during the COVID pandemic. So I think right now, because we have probably a higher number of susceptible people, you tend to see that there's a lot of higher cases of severe illness, which is why we're seeing it a lot in the toddler population. Wait, wait, push the room there with him with some crying baby?

Starting point is 00:48:26 Yeah, toddler, gotta get with toddler pops, not pops from toddlers. Eh, eh, eh. We shouldn't walk into, so these are, so I guess if you're a toddler, then you're walking around. So technically it's possible. Higher cases of severe illness,

Starting point is 00:48:41 which is why we're seeing at a lot in the toddler population, along with the classical school-age population. Toddler population. This is clearly a new demographic. The toddler population. I love it. This is great. Soon it'll be the toddler community. A lot in the toddler population along with the classical school-age population, which is usually the population is most severely affected. How contagious is this?

Starting point is 00:49:10 It is pretty contagious. Wow. Wow. Listen to that insert. Here in the script, you got to ask about contagiousness. Which is usually the population is most severely affected. How contagious is this? It is pretty contagious.

Starting point is 00:49:25 So the best way we look at this as far as the contagiousness is when you look at how it affects families. And if it enters a family, you actually expect that about 80% of the other kids in the family are going to get sick. About 40% of the adults are going to get sick. And probably all of us classically will get this probably three times our lifetime. One time during our childhood, one time when we're adults, whether our 20s, 30s, 40s, and then probably one time when we're elderly.

Starting point is 00:49:57 So of course, I have not heard John's clips as we never do that. And so I'm hoping that in the final clip, we at least have someone will ask the question, how concerned shall we be and can we get a shot for it? It turns out that the shot no, that's I'm stunned by this myself because they have antibiotics. Yeah, but but but I'm kind of disappointed in the previous clips that you were playing because they were hinting around about MRNA shots for noro but they never came to any conclusion about it but I think they're gonna try to pull that stunt that there's one for you given that we're talking about a post-covid spike here are we seeing

Starting point is 00:50:40 similar increases in other respiratory illnesses as well or is it mainly confined to this one? Yes, definitely. The other thing we've seen this year that has had a rather high spike in cases has been whooping cough, which is caused by a bacteria called Bordetella pertussis. And it's actually something we, most of us, or all of us, get vaccinated for when we get vaccinated for tetanus and nepsiria. Typically, that similarly will have an increase

Starting point is 00:51:07 in the number of cases about every four to five years, but we've really seen a really high increase in the number of cases, probably about three or four times what we would otherwise expect, probably because of that, having a lack of that increase in the number of cases and I guess the challenge to the population

Starting point is 00:51:27 during the COVID years. And what should parents be looking for to spot whether this is walking pneumonia or something more similar to the common cold? Well, I think what you're gonna see in your kids, typically the common cold, you're really not gonna have a fever with it. A kid's gonna have a runny nose,

Starting point is 00:51:42 they're gonna have a cough, but they're gonna seem otherwise well. I kid's going to have a runny nose, they're going to have a cough, but they're going to seem otherwise well. When you're a kid with mycoplasma, they're more likely to be complaining of feeling achy, and they're going to seem a little more run down. And typically it's going to be associated with a fever. And when that fever sort of persists a little bit longer than you would otherwise expect with a virus,

Starting point is 00:52:01 that's when you might start to worry about mycoplasma. I think really whenever you see a child that's starting to act a little bit punky, starting to act a little bit rundown, has a fever, it's time to call your pediatrician to check and see if they should get tested and if they would need antibiotics at that point. I didn't like how he kept saying microplasma. This sounds like a setup for something. Microplasma. I don't even know what that is because it's been used as a generic term for unknown bacteria for years. Microplasma are bacteria that can infect different parts of your body, your lungs, skin or urinary tract.

Starting point is 00:52:42 It depends on which type of microplasma bacteria is causing your infection. Yeah. This is from WebMD. Yeah. Since it's almost a generic term for we don't know what the hell it is. Yeah. That's what it sounds like. Hmm.

Starting point is 00:52:59 By the way, not to belabor the pharmaceutical industry, but you know, I made a couple of Zempig jokes here and they were like, huh? Like what? And so it's not, the marketing is not really kicked in, but in the Netherlands, you know how they're marketing Zempig? They, I'm going to tell you. So the Dutch princesses, the daughters of the king and queen who I met at the, remember I met them at the castle.

Starting point is 00:53:31 Yes. They're a little chubby. They're just chubby. They're healthy, chubby girls. They are on Ozempic and everyone knows about it. They're talking about, oh yeah, no, they're taking it on Ozempic. That's the way to do it. Yeah. That's actually the way to do it. It's a good way to about it. They're talking about, oh yeah, no way. They're taking it was Zempik. That's the way to do it. That's actually the way to do it. It's a good way to do it.

Starting point is 00:53:48 I think that just convince everybody. That's the way to go. Yeah. All right. Um, I, I know, I know you have a presentation on the, on the Christmas driver, but before we get to that Christmas driver, uh, it was wonderful to follow this phony baloney shut down nonsense, which of course we know is always phony baloney. It's been this way since the beginning of the show. One time Trump actually did shut down the government, but it's always, oh, just in time.

Starting point is 00:54:21 And I loved this new trick, which was really interesting. OK, so we strip everything out of the bill and then Trump puts in a negotiating tactic. Oh, we want to remove the debt ceiling. So whether it was purposeful or whether they were being authentic and genuine. Of course, there's Republicans like Chip Roy and Massy. Oh, no, we can't do that. We can't allow you to print anything you want.

Starting point is 00:54:49 Okay, we'll just take it out. So all of a sudden Trump is running the show but all of a sudden he isn't running the show? Come on. It was so obvious what they were doing. Let's just get, we'll put in a couple things for the you know, 100 million for the victims of the hurricanes. We'll put in some things here, there, and then for the farmers. And then we'll take out Trump. So, oh, but Trump is good. He's commanding everybody to do this.

Starting point is 00:55:17 Well, it's okay. He just wanted this, he wanted all the nonsense out, just continue until March so we can figure it out again. But the media had a very specific goal. They want so badly for president elect Trump to get mad at Elon. Yeah. This has been good. Yes. And you're over there and even by just a short period of time you were gone,

Starting point is 00:55:43 yeah, it's gotten worse. Here's everybody's, they're going, I would just give my, over there and even by just a short period of time you were gone, it's gotten worse. Everybody's, they're going, I would just give my background. I don't have any clips, but they're good. They have gone on and on and on about, Oh, this is a bromance. They're going to break up. It's going to be really bad when it happens. They got everything but the Deadpool. They haven't done that. They haven't come up with any betting formats. When is they going to break up the two of them? It's going to be nasty. Well, first I'll play the German Deutsche Welle news report where they start to hint

Starting point is 00:56:18 at, oh, this is all Elon. It's all about Elon. Elon's running the show, not President Trump. Elon. In the United States, lawmakers have approved a new spending bill to avoid a government shutdown. The Senate dropped normal procedure to fast track a vote minutes after the midnight deadline had passed. Both Republican and Democrat lawmakers supported the new plan. It includes billions of dollars for disaster aid, farmers and funding for the US government

Starting point is 00:56:46 until mid-March of next year. But it did not include a condition that President-elect Donald Trump had demanded, which is a change to the debt limit to allow the government to take on new debt. The White House says President Joe Biden will sign the plan into law. So just how difficult was it for Democrats and Republicans to finally find a compromise and pass the budget? This was an unnecessary herculean task to get people. This is an American, so they bring an American guy on to do this. All to actually keep our government functioning here in the United States.

Starting point is 00:57:27 Speaker Johnson, it was only on Tuesday, had first proposed this continuing resolution bill that had significant other pieces, including reducing prescription drug prices, restricting investments in China due to the essentially detente or Cold War that is happening, at least economically with China at this point. But it was Elon Musk who jumped in, the shadow president himself, and said, made false statements about what was in the bill, and very likely had issues with the restrictions on the China investment as his companies are heavily invested in China. Oh, so that's what it was about.

Starting point is 00:58:12 This is the twist. They've been putting this on local, locally to PBS and LL. It's Musk is cozying up to China and he can't have any of that anti-China stuff in there So that's the reason Musk was getting involved. Well as a China. Here's the here's the mini-cut There are new concerns about Elon Musk's growing influence over Donald Trump and perhaps I should say President Elon Musk will be exerting Conference but what is different here is Elon Musk having an influence on kind of the day-to-day Operations and policy from the White House to Congress. He's a billionaire bully. Elon Musk has a lot of influence with Trump right now.

Starting point is 00:58:51 It's not Donald Trump asking for this. It's very clearly President Elon Musk asking for this. President Elon Musk. Oh, yeah, they want him to get mad at Musk so bad. So bad. They want it so bad. Here's, um, Well, the real backstory here is that Musk has threatened because he's got so they know he's got more money than Soros to primary. And he's threatened to, first of all, I threatened to primary all the Republicans that voted for the bill, the original bill, the 1500 page bill.

Starting point is 00:59:24 And then he posted recently that he's, he's thinking about primarying Democrats with more moderate Democrats who are asshole Democrats. And so he's, so this is what the real threat is. So Musk is all his money. That he can finance, he can literally do what he says and not even put a dent in his net worth. Here is ABC who really laid it on thick because, and this is before they had the deal, of course, and this was their main talking point for a while. Oh, but they're taking out cancer research for

Starting point is 01:00:00 kids. Oh, these heartless, heartless, heartless bastards. Listen to the report they did. Government shutdown though is not the only consequence of a failed funding bill. When Musk and Trump killed the budget deal, cancer research for kids became collateral damage. Damage families like the Goodmans understand all too well. When Nancy Goodman lost her eight-year-old son Jacob to an aggressive form of brain cancer, she decided to spend the rest of her life fighting for the research and treatments that could have saved him.

Starting point is 01:00:32 She thought she had secured that funding and then the tweets started. Okay so that was just normal. MSNBC, Alex Wagner, oh man. For anyone who might not know this is Gabriella Miller. I was diagnosed when I was nine and you know once you get cancer please pay attention to the music. I'm gonna be all grown up You kinda gotta be all grown up. And you don't really have a childhood. And you know, less and less kids are gonna have their childhood if awareness... If people don't raise awareness and raise funds.

Starting point is 01:01:32 A little over a decade ago. I see the same guy who produces St. Jude's commercials. Yeah, same kid, hold on. A little over a decade ago, doctors discovered an inoperable tumor the size of a walnut in Gabriella's brain. Less than a year later she passed away. But in the time that she had, Gabriella lobbied the federal government to fund pediatric cancer research so that other kids like her in the future could have a fighting chance. And the year after Gabriella's death that funding got passed and

Starting point is 01:02:01 President Obama signed it into law. But this year, this week, renewing that funding got passed and President Obama signed it into law. But this year, this week, renewing that funding was one of the things Republicans thought was too porky and too much of a special interest. So it got cut. These horrible people. Trump causes cancer. It got cut from the continuing resolution. It didn't get cut from anything else. Trump causes cancer. That is your kid and kids. It's, it's, it's, this is so evil and this is a dead kid. Oh, let's bring her up, throw some, get the music. You got the music. Yeah, I got the music.

Starting point is 01:02:35 It's going to be a great piece. You're right. Despicable. It's despicable. And despicable. And that's MSNBC. Then a funny thing happened on the view as it pertains to President-elect Trump and Elon Musk and JD Evans.

Starting point is 01:02:54 So much is going on in the world. It's quite wonderful. As DC barrels towards yet another government shutdown, a bipartisan bill to keep the lights on was scrapped and it has a lot to a lot of folks asking who is in charge Because I've been saying it for a while. Yes. Yes. I've been yes you have I think Elon Musk believes he's president. I Do I do I call I've called the vice president

Starting point is 01:03:24 I called him president because I don't know what JD is doing. I hardly ever said I don't I do. I've called him Vice President, I've called him President, because I don't know what JD is doing. I hardly ever, I don't remember last time we even talked about JD. You're right. He's planning the presidency when they get rid of Trump. So you think it's Musk and Musk Vance? Possible. Hey, you know who? Stay away from the stairways. You know, people put their leg out to trippy boy down the stairs. Watch out. Now, would you view that as a problem, problematic statement that Whoopi made there about harm to the president? Is she threatening the president?

Starting point is 01:04:02 Yeah. Do you think that's a statement that is a problem? Not for her. Well, the ABC lawyers thought so. They came back from the break. Okay, I need to clean something up because my cat lays in wait for me on my stairs all the time. And that's what I was thinking of that.

Starting point is 01:04:26 I wasn't trying to indicate that they were actually standing there with their legs out hoping he would trip. No, nobody wants anything done to the President. It was lighthearted and it's the holidays. Come on! My goodness. You did not mean that anybody should hurt the President. No.

Starting point is 01:04:44 Of course not. No. Of course not. Okay. You know, the thing about this show, there is no way not to step in poo. There is no way to do it. There is no way not to do it. ABC and Disney, they are afraid after that step in the horse thing. Yeah, they're making all kinds of changes.

Starting point is 01:05:02 They dropped a bunch of episodes of some kids show that had trans kids. They're completely, they looked at their numbers. Yeah. Oh yeah, you're probably right. And they're saying, you know, and they have to be quick on the draw because ABC or Disney is a huge corporation. Got all kinds of little,

Starting point is 01:05:21 I mean, if you look at their corporate structure, they just like hundreds of companies. Yeah. Anyway. Yeah, they have to make these corrections. This shows these people have got to go. They have to somehow. I've always said I gave Whoopi six months, I think about a month ago, so she's got five

Starting point is 01:05:38 months left. Yeah. Well. Who knows? Who knows? But she's gone and then they have to get rid of Sonny Hostin's and then Joy, I guess, makes the most money. I don't know what they're going to do with her.

Starting point is 01:05:54 Does Joy make the most money? I think she does. I think she's been there the longest too. Bring back Barbara Walters. Is she still alive? Is she still alive, Barbara Walters? Do I look her up? I don't know if she is. All right. So this is the end of the show. Bring back Barbara Walters. Is she still alive? Is she still alive Barbara Walters?

Starting point is 01:06:05 Do I look her up? I don't know if she is. All right, so this Christmas attack has been big news here and I presume you have a presentation just looking at some of your clips. Yes, I have a lot of clips and I think it's been misrepresented in a lot of different ways. For sure considering what people are saying about it here. Yes. What are they saying about it there? Just so I can. Well, they're saying that the message is so the messaging,

Starting point is 01:06:31 they're trying to make it sound like this guy was basically a right wing nut job. And if you look at the protests in Germany, if you look at what people are saying, no, no, no, no, they're all just like deport. They like get rid of everybody. They are sick of all of it. And do you know that they're all, most of these Christmas markets around Europe, they have barriers now because of this very issue. And this tiny little town, this tiny little market didn't have them.

Starting point is 01:07:00 No, they had, no, this actually explained in the reports. Oh, okay. All right, go. They did have them. Oh but They were activated. Oh, no the they had them but they had a Ambulance lane. Mm-hmm

Starting point is 01:07:17 That you could get through if you knew what you were doing So they had them there too But these markets if people should look them up, Christmas market, Germany, and look at the photos, these things are elaborate and they're huge. And there was one of these German markets before this happened, there were, it's like a, there was a whole Muslim protest against the Christmas market in Germany.

Starting point is 01:07:39 Yeah. It's like, cause they don't like it. Yeah. Well, that's very suspicious too. There's no reason for that. But let's start with, I got just a PBS. This is the Christmas market PBS. This is the general 57 second. This is all they had for the thing. And then I'm going to switch to the BBC where they actually try to analyze it. Got it wrong, I think.

Starting point is 01:08:01 But let's go with Christmas market PBS. Germans are mourning the victims of an apparent attack at a Christmas market. Church bells told in Magdeburg, Germany at the exact time a man intentionally drove his car into a crowd of people last night, killing five and injuring more than 200. A nine-year-old child is among the dead. The suspect surrendered to police at the scene. Officials say he's from Saudi Arabia and has lived in Germany for nearly 20 years. A review of his social media accounts show he shared anti-Islamic statements and expressed support for Germany's far-right anti-immigrant political party. It is now important that we clarify the situation and that this is done with the utmost precision and accuracy. Nothing must remain uninvestigated.

Starting point is 01:08:46 And of course, we must understand the perpetrator, his actions, his motives, so that we can respond with the necessary criminal and other consequences. And we will. Investigators say the attack may have been motivated by anger over Germany's treatment of Saudi refugees. Okay. So that summarized it as probably the way they all summarize it. of Saudi refugees. Ah, okay. So that summarized it as probably the way they all summarize it. And it's horseshit.

Starting point is 01:09:10 But the BBC even went even further and did a huge elaborate thing. This was over the weekend and it was presented by a friend of the show, Helena Humphrey. Is she a friend of the show? Well, she follows us. But she obviously is not a friend of the show Helena Humphrey. Is she a friend of the show? Well, she follows us. Oh. But she obviously is not a friend of the show. She wrote this scathing complaint about us. Does she still follow you? Yeah, I follow on both LinkedIn and Twitter by her. Is she taking our material? No, she takes none of our material, believe me. She, in fact, the one thing I had a one, I kind of a semi interaction with her.

Starting point is 01:09:51 She was on LinkedIn and I ran into her profile. I said, did she following me? And she had she, her on her, on her LinkedIn profile. And I know she had she, her on her Twitter thing too. So I sent her a direct message linking to my essay that's on Substack about he, her, and how you can't get work if you do that shit because people see you as some sort of a nutball.

Starting point is 01:10:17 She never responded, said anything to me, but I noticed that after a month or so she took it off. So that's how. Oh, okay. So you have influence. Good job. Yeah, I guess. You're helping out the mainstreamers. Good job. So she does this elaborate report

Starting point is 01:10:33 and BBCN, I think it completely misses the point, but they do the best job of missing the point by going deep into it. This is Ex Marketmarket one BBC. At least five people were killed when a man drove through a crowd at high speed. And along with those five deaths, city officials say that 200 people have been injured, many of them seriously. But we can now name the suspect in the attack as Taleb al-Abdul-Mursan.

Starting point is 01:11:01 He is a 50-year-old doctor from Saudi Arabia. Officials say that he appears to have been motivated by resentment to the treatment of refugees in Germany rather than religion. The BBC has been told that the Saudi authorities passed on warnings about him. Well, German Chancellor Olaf Scholz has visited the scene. He's called what happened in Magdeburg, quote, a terrible act. There are questions about security after it emerged that the suspect drove through an entrance reserved for ambulances and official vehicles.

Starting point is 01:11:31 Our correspondent, Anna Foster, is in Magdeburg. As night fell, hundreds of people attended a vigil at the city's cathedral, a packed and somber affair. Some of the first responders were among the mourners. Chancellor Olaf Scholz sat next to Germany's president. 24 hours ago, this market was packed with people, but the laughter and celebration was cut devastatingly short. When a car sped through the crowds,

Starting point is 01:11:56 killing five people and injuring 200 more. The car sped past us and the police ran after it. Other emergency services arrived, evacuated people and diverted traffic. People were still panicking and screaming. Yeah, that was bad. Alright, that was actually better. That little segment was better than the PBS report. Let's go to two. We now know it used the rescue entrance to get into the square, a gap deliberately left for ambulances to have access. Police say the deadly rampage lasted three minutes.

Starting point is 01:12:34 Armed police quickly arrested a man, a doctor, originally from Saudi Arabia, but living here for nearly 20 years. His motive is still under question. As things stand at the moment, it looks as if the background to the crime could have been disgruntlement with the way Saudi Arabian refugees are treated in Germany. But all that exactly is behind it is still under investigation. Emotions are running high here. Alongside the sadness, there's an undercurrent of anger against politicians who some feel didn't make this place safe enough. Earlier

Starting point is 01:13:09 today Chancellor Olaf Scholz came to lay a white rose and promise an investigation. It is a dreadful tragedy that so many people were killed and injured. We send our sympathy to those who are injured, and I express the solidarity of the entire country. Well, in just the last few hours, around 100 far-right protesters gathered in the streets of Magdeburg. The march called for the remigration of immigrants living in Germany.

Starting point is 01:13:39 The Christmas market attack will likely add to the debate over security and immigration before national elections in February, with opinion polls showing the far-right alternative for Germany party is likely to perform strongly. And while a motive for the attack is still unclear, our security correspondent Frank Gardner has been looking into the suspect, Taleb al-Abdul-Mosun, and alleged warnings from the Saudi government about him. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 01:14:04 I heard they had been warning about this guy. Well, there's also another story where there's a friend of this guy, an Arab from another Saudi woman, who turned him into the cops, and they paid no attention to her commentary. She said that he's going to do this. And so here's what, right at this point is where you start saying, you said, wait a minute. This guy's supposed to, this is a bull crap.

Starting point is 01:14:33 This guy supposedly is a right-winger who gave up on Islam and he, and he's irked at the German government for not treating other Saudis who come over who become atheists, basically, and not treating them right. And so he's going to plow into a Christmas market full of Christians that got nothing to do with anything. Something doesn't add up, but let's continue with this narrative with the next clip. They say that they passed four so-called notes verbal. These are official diplomatic notifications that they sent from Saudi Arabia to Germany.

Starting point is 01:15:17 I don't have the dates with them, unfortunately, but they sent three of them to German intelligence agencies and one of them to the German Foreign Ministry, warning, they say, about Talib Abdulmahsin's extreme views that he held. Now, there are two sides to this. There is a view taken by at least one respected counterterrorism expert that I know of who's saying that this is something of a bit of a disinformation campaign, he's even saying that this is the Saudis trying to blacken his name.

Starting point is 01:15:51 Well, it's pretty black right now, obviously, but trying to basically say that here was somebody who was dangerous back then. Why? Because he was allegedly trying to help a number of people who had left Saudi Arabia and were either dissidents, political dissidents, or people who were trying to turn their back on their Islamic faith, Saudi Arabia being very much a monolithic, one-faith country, Islam. And this man, Talib Abd al-Nassim, had left his religion of his birthplace. So in Islam you're not supposed

Starting point is 01:16:27 to leave your religion and he has turned into somebody that the German Interior Minister, Federal Interior Minister, Ms. Fraser, has referred to as Islamophobe. And certainly some of the texts that some of the tweets that he posted and that are being reported in German media are exactly that Islamophobic. So there are two sides to this, but it does seem that the Saudi authorities were concerned about this man's extreme views. So are they trying to make him sound like he's an AFD supporter? Is that what's going on here? Yeah, this is the idea. It seems to me is to make it seem as though he is an AFP, I guess. AFD, Alternative für Deutschland. Oh, yeah. Okay, AFD. The right wingers of Germany who are trying to...

Starting point is 01:17:19 Who as we know are Nazis. Yeah, they're Nazis. They're no good. They're also very popular. Very popular it is for all practical purposes. Very popular over there. Yeah, they are actually. So, they are trying to make that out and I got two more of these little clips and now I get to the one that's important if you don't mind listening to these other ones. But this is, we can go to, this one has actually been renamed kind of differently. This was Exmus Market 4.

Starting point is 01:17:45 Well, joining me live now is Rebecca Schoenenbach, a counter-extremism consultant. Rebecca, thank you very much for being with us. I just want to begin by asking you, what do you make of the profile of the suspect? Is there anything that stands out to you? Thanks for having me. What stands out most is that he seems to have suffered from a prosecution complex. So a lot of his tweets- What? He means persecution. Prosecution complex?

Starting point is 01:18:12 Persecution. Yeah, she means persecution, but her English is so mediocre that she keeps saying prosecution. Complex. So a lot of his tweets on X, a lot of his direct messages show that he felt prosecuted by the German state and even by the police. And he accused other secular Muslims or ex-Muslims of also prosecuting him. And it is true that he defamed some of them and they had to sue him in court and they won. So it seems to be a mixture of him accusing others, then feeling that they go after him, feeling suppressed by the German state. That is the most significant thing that stands out apart from his hatred of Islam and his fandom

Starting point is 01:19:08 of Elon Musk and the far-right AFD in Germany. Yeah okay so when they say ex-Muslims in this context is she talking about Muslims who are no longer Muslims or Muslims who tweet on ex? A little confusing. Well it doesn't really make any difference when we started listening to this bull crap and this follower of Elon Musk, they throw that in. I mean, that could have put some sound effects in here to emphasize what she's going on about, but this is the last of these clips.

Starting point is 01:19:39 And BBC goes through a really elaborate process here to try to sell us on this idea that this guy is some sort of a right-wing nut. Because they bring out, first they bring out that other guy, then they bring out this guy, and then they make it to try to come to some conclusion. He hates Islam and all the rest of it. And so play this and then the kicker is coming. So tell us more about that with regards to Elon Musk, for example, I just wonder more

Starting point is 01:20:05 generally when you're looking at kind of cases of extremism and of course we don't know the motive here, but to what extent are we seeing, for example, conspiracy theories or misinformation and the amplification of that feeding into those kind of beliefs? Well, he was an advocate for remigration so he was a staunch critic not only of Islam but of any sort of migration to Germany but particularly the migration of Muslims of Muslim countries and he favoured people who were known as critics of Islam, not only of Islamism, but of Islam, such as Tommy Robinson in Great Britain. He retreated some of Elon Musk takes. He didn't particularly retreat all the right-wing extremism theories. So it does not seem that his whole world view was right-wing extremism.

Starting point is 01:21:05 He also tweeted a lot about sexual abuse. He tweeted a lot about women's rights, some facts that are really to be criticized for anybody advocating for women's rights, but he mixed it with theories, with conspiracy, but most outstanding were his own perception of the German state, of the treatment of refugees, of the German police, and he even accused his own lawyers to have betrayed him. Oh man, I love the heavy handedness on Musk. That's pretty good. I like that. Yeah, this is like a worldwide effort. These things are all seem to be worldwide They're afraid of him because they see what he was his power is King Musk

Starting point is 01:21:50 He's the president. So there's so then I run into this and we've had you know, even a dude named Muhammad I think that's this completely wrong. Mm-hmm This woman who is fairly famous on the social, she's an Iranian German named Maral, and she does these kinds of takes on things. And this clip is the eximis attacker, Taqiyah, which is a technique used by Shia Muslims, the lie, and she outlines what this guy's really all about as far as she's concerned. And this is the only thing that rings true. I want to address the misinformation spreading about Taleb al-Abdul-Mohsin, the terrorist

Starting point is 01:22:34 behind the Christmas market attack in Magdeburg, Germany. Contrary to some claims, he was neither an atheist nor an ex-Muslim. Taleb Farsi portrayed himself as an atheist ex-Muslim and victim of the Saudi regime while simultaneously accusing the German government of prosecuting female Saudi asylum seekers and promoting an agenda to Islamize Europe. His identity as a radical Shia Muslim is evident, even from his name, which explains his hostility towards Saudi Arabia and his wicked jihadi agenda. Leaked tweets and chat screenshots now circulating on X reveal his connection to radical Islamist

Starting point is 01:23:23 networks, including a counseling to ISIS. And ex-Muslim organizations and activists have also reported receiving direct threats from Tlaib. Ask yourself, why would an atheist threaten ex-Muslims? It doesn't make sense. This is a classic example of taqiyya, an Islamic practice that allows Muslims to lie and deceive to advance Islamic goals or agendas. Tariq's false narrative designed to sow division, chaos, and terror reveals the psychopathy

Starting point is 01:24:00 and manipulative nature of a jihadist. His actions seek to destabilize and confuse society, to paralyze any meaningful response to radical threats. By portraying himself as a victim of Sunni Saudi Arabia, who he, from his radical Shia perspective, considers fake Muslims, he furthers both his jihadist goals and his sectarian battle. Individuals like Talib have no loyalty to earthly life. Their sadomasochistic lives are entirely devoted to preparing for Judgment Day, where the infidel will finally suffer eternal torture and hell fire while they will be rewarded in paradise for their earthly sacrifices complete with the infamous promise of 72 virgins.

Starting point is 01:24:54 Without a doubt, Talib is not an atheist. For terrorists like him, life is a temporary means to serve his violent apocalyptic vision of divine will. Well, I'd say that makes sense. It not only makes sense and people should look up to KIA, which is spelled T-A-Q-I-Y-Y-A, which is a practice that is, it was discussed quite a bit after 9-11 and it has more to do with Shia Muslims than it does the Sunnis. And it is a practice of lying for purpose.

Starting point is 01:25:30 And this guy, she goes on in her particular, after this is released, somebody put together a thread of her discoveries on both different chat rooms and elsewhere, of all his commentaries, they're all radical. They're all extremist Shiite stuff. And this narrative of him being a right winger, he's a left winger. Completely. His being a right winger is just bogus. This whole story is a complete cover up of what's really going on here that they don't

Starting point is 01:26:03 want to talk about. Wow and that was that was still in her BBC interview that bit about Takiyah? No, no this was separate. This was a standalone. Wow. This woman's standalone. That wasn't on BBC. No the BBC is going with the right-winger, Musk, Trump's bad. I mean Helena Helena Humphries is a Trump hater, so she'd been fitting right in with this no problem. And the whole BBC narrative was just to make, it's a part of the coverup. Wow.

Starting point is 01:26:37 Wow. Now it's also possible to just completely stupid and they just immediately think, oh, ex Twitter, Trump, Musk. Don't forget Musk. Well, I actually have two quick clips also from the BBC. The best guesstimate that you can make looking at what he has been communicating over the last couple of years is that he really belongs into this conspiratorial narrative category of extremists, which had been growing quite significantly since the Corona epidemic and social media companies are

Starting point is 01:27:10 really not doing anything against those people. They are not quite effective in preventing Islamist terrorism content, which they know best, but conspiratorial narratives such as this, especially individualized conspiratorial narratives because he also felt personally persecuted by the German police is something that these companies simply don't look at and the German security forces neither have the legal mandate nor the resources to monitor the entire internet all the time. Oh, so because the narrative here is because Musk fired the trust and safety team, then no one could figure it out.

Starting point is 01:27:47 No one was paying attention, they should have taken his tweets down. Let's just blame X. Yeah, but I mean, even if you had monitored the internet and seen his conspiracy theories, you wouldn't think they would lead to a violent act like this, would you? Well, not necessarily, but he did say he is going to do an attack. He did say he's going to take revenge. So there were clear formulations, but the problem is, and this is going to be always a difficult thing of assessment for the security forces to get over. Unfortunately,

Starting point is 01:28:17 because the big social media companies, in this case, X, where all this material is, have not gotten better, but they reduce their content monitoring capabilities and investments. You have so much hatred and so many fantasies of violence on the internet that it's really hard to distinguish what is just a person that is disturbed and just lives disturbed ideas out on the internet and which one of those is a person that then gets into a car and plows through a Christmas market. Take your point that there were some worrying signs online. Basically he was anti-system.

Starting point is 01:28:52 Is that the sort of broadcast...? Blah blah blah. So I really like your analysis of this. And they're just running the other direction. They're like, hey, you know, Musk, he doesn't check stuff and if he hadn fired everybody, then this wouldn't have happened. Yeah, it's his fault. Somehow it's President Musk's fault. Yeah. That's really bad.

Starting point is 01:29:15 That's really bad. It's really bad. The mainstream media is not doing its job, but they're not supposed to do their job. They're supposed to sell drugs. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Yes. Yes. So, you know, they get you in the right mood and you go take some, you know,

Starting point is 01:29:30 get nervous and all worked up. I mean, some of the, I have some tick tock clips we can play in the second half of the show, but we were people all worked up. It's almost pathetic. Hold on. I'm going to set you up for your tick tock clips before we take a break. And we have a long donation segment because we have two shows and people supported both shows. That was very nice.

Starting point is 01:29:53 I have a couple of TikTok clips here. Where are my TikTok clips? Because, you know, we're coming down to the wire. Wait, wait, what? No, I don't have TikTok clips from TikTok. I have clips about TikTok, which will set you up for TikTok. You see? You see what I'm doing here? Yeah.

Starting point is 01:30:12 Okay. Hold on. I'm waiting for you to finally cave. Good luck. Good luck. Where's my TikTok clips? Hold on. It's my TikTok clips? Um, Hold on, it's got to be, I'm sorry.

Starting point is 01:30:30 Here I am trying to set you up big. Let me see TikTok. Oh yeah, okay. This is under, what is this under? Oh, how am I, how, you know, it's, the problem is it's so small on this screen that I just can't see it anymore. Your eyes are going. Well there's that. Big tech. No, I had it under.

Starting point is 01:30:55 This is maddening. I can't actually see it. I know I stuck them in here. Oh, here we go. Ah, here we go. Okay, I'm sorry. ABC, Good Morning America. Out of the battle over TikTok, it's headed to the Supreme Court. The justice has agreed to hear the social media apps challenge to a law that could ban

Starting point is 01:31:11 it in the US starting next month. It's sparking outrage online. Outrage. Chief legal analyst Dan Averins here to break down the case. Outrage. This is kind of a complicated case. Yeah. Congress has ordered ByteDance, the Chinese company, to sell TikTok.

Starting point is 01:31:23 ByteDance is challenging the law. So who's got the better argument? Who's likely to prevail? So the government probably has the stronger argument going into this. The argument from Bightdance or TikTok is this is a First Amendment issue, right? They're stopping us from engaging in free speech.

Starting point is 01:31:38 The government's saying this isn't about speech. This is about regulating a foreign government who is gathering data on Americans. And remember, that as a practical matter, foreign individuals aren't allowed to own broadcast licenses, for example, in this country already. And so their position is, this really isn't significantly different than that.

Starting point is 01:31:57 It just depends on how you look at the case. Remember, there's also the TikTok users also filed a separate lawsuit, also part of this is being heard. Let's just reiterate the no agenda stance on this Also the TikTok users also found a separate lawsuit, also part of this is being heard. Let's just reiterate the no agenda stance on this because it's not like TikTok is gathering any more data than Google or Meta or X for that matter. Don't forget X. Probably less.

Starting point is 01:32:17 Probably less. And this is in our mind, looking at the bill, who co-sponsored the bill, who got the most money from in fact Google more than anybody, were senators, how's a senator, congressman, who got a lot of donations for their campaigns from Google. And this has always been about competition. These guys are eating Silicon Valley's lunch. They've got a whole different algo, which is really what people want to get rid of because this algo works. Like, people are loving the TikTok. So this is nothing about that. And I should mention, based on that clip you just played, broadcasters are licensed by the government. Social media networks are not licensed and they're not subject to the same rules and regulations.

Starting point is 01:33:07 And so to make that analogy, which the lawyer did is bull crap. Well, I'm thinking, so there is a, the Supreme Court has, because I got an analysis from Rob, the constitutional lawyer, the Supreme Court has said, okay, look, you can come in on the 10th of January. Everyone has to write their 13,000 word essay. So something is gonna go down. We're not quite sure what, and if the Supreme Court will look at all of this and have an opinion before the January 19 deadline.

Starting point is 01:33:36 I'm thinking Trump is using this as a chit because he doesn't like how Silicon Valley has, certainly Google and Things that how they portray him. There's a lot of personal issues. He has he just just doesn't like them per se So he may be using this as a as a chit or chip against them Get two more short clips. The court is moving fast though. Okay, so the court will hear the case What nine days nine days before the deadline to sale. They've chosen not to pause the law. So what do you read into that? And what about the TikTok users?

Starting point is 01:34:10 The ban does go into effect. It seems pretty clear the court's moving quickly. They've expedited this. I'd expect something from them in the relatively near future. TikTok users' accounts are not going to get zapped, right? They're not going to just go away. TikTok's still going to be there. The question is going to be who can see it, who can use it, how can they use it? Those are the sorts

Starting point is 01:34:30 of questions. That's different. What? Yeah. Who can see it? What does that even mean? I don't know. I don't know. I can use it and you can't? I don't know. I mean, that's what it sounds like. Let's listen to the last clip. And we know that Donald Trump... By the way, wait, wait. That's a very, whatever, because of what we just said right there, that shows that the analysis they're doing stinks.

Starting point is 01:34:56 And we know that Donald Trump met with a TikTok CEO this week at Mar-a-Lago. Oh, no. He said he had the warm spot now for TikTok. Is there anything he can do with this out of his hands? So January 19th, this goes into effect. He takes office January 20th. But he still could have a big impact. Number one, he could tell his attorney general don't enforce this at all. So that could be some level of reassurance. He could also seek to try and get Congress to repeal it. He could also try and delay it. So you have some options here

Starting point is 01:35:25 if he decides to be on TikTok's side. But did he want to ban it at one point? He did, correct. And his first administration by executive order tried to ban it. Seems he's changed his position a bit. What do you think? What do you think at this point?

Starting point is 01:35:36 What's gonna happen? I think it's a free speech issue, period. And it's just that it's a, it's like, and it's also anticompetitive. Well, what I think, which is what your point is, which is the anticompetitive nature of it because it, it, it kicks ass. And so this is what the real issue is because, Oh God, these guys are eating our lunch and God knows what else can happen. I mean,

Starting point is 01:36:01 we're already going to have trouble in our search engines because of the damned AI stuff. I mean, this is, these guys are freaked. And so they're looking for help. Let government help us, help us stay in business because we're incompetent boneheads. All right, everybody time for John's TikTok clips of the day. It took clips of the day. TikTok clips of the day. What you got? I got four, actually five to be honest about.

Starting point is 01:36:29 Oh, oh, oh, oh, boy. I'm going to start with this one, which is one that's, gee, it's already past due because of this guy. There's some jerk that's, this is under, not under talk, but talker. This is the dude, um, clip. And this is a guy who comes on and he's a Trump hater. Oh, God. John, hold on a second. This is a two minute TikTok clip?

Starting point is 01:36:52 It's worth it. It's the only long clip I have today. Oh, man. All right, set it up. This guy is going to tell us that Trump's not going to get in office because you know, this is, if it wasn't Jamie Raskin was going to stop him, but, but there's going to be something that's going to happen on the 20th and that's going to prevent him. Oh, wait a minute. Oh,

Starting point is 01:37:14 I guess I recorded this like day before the 20th and now what is the date today? I don't know. 22nd. Yes. 22nd. And it hadn't happened, but okay. There's a, there's a backup plan. Here's what we're going to do. And this guy is such a glib, he's kind of like a working class looking guy. But he's so glib and convinced that Trump got into some nefarious means and everybody hates him and we're going to fix it. Guys, don't forget, it's we the people.

Starting point is 01:37:43 Okay? We have executive order coming out, 13848, right? It's going to be implemented. fix it. There definitely has been. They're going to reveal that on the 20th of December because 45 days from November 6 brings us to December 20th, which is six days from today. So next, this coming Friday. So have a great weekend. Do your laundry. Hang your stuff out if you can. Change your sheets to your bed.

Starting point is 01:38:23 Go grocery shopping. Get everything set up. Go to church tomorrow or don't, pray at home, hold hands, love the ones you're with, be good to yourselves, and let's get our country back, right? Next week, the Friday, I have a feeling this Executive Order 13848 will be implemented, and if not, a month from then, December 20th to January 20th, the day of the inauguration, we the people are going to have to show up in Washington and have this guy step down. The 3% rule states that if you have 3% of a group of people's population, 3% of a particular population, if they gather in mass, they can change everything.

Starting point is 01:39:05 So we have 330 million Americans, 10% of that is 33 million, and what's a third of that? 11 million. 11 million of us have to show up on Washington, DC on January 20th and have this guy step down. He'll see 11 million people talk about a crowd. He'll have a coronary. It'll have to step down. We gotta do it. And we can't depend on the people out west.

Starting point is 01:39:30 God bless. But for those of us here in New Jersey, New York, Massachusetts, Long Island, Connecticut, everybody, we gotta converge on Washington. Black, white, trans, LGBTQ2, drag queens. Peacefully, cohesively, we're going to meet and have this guy step down on January 20th. That's our failsafe.

Starting point is 01:39:50 I would pay good money to see 11 million trans and drag queens show up in Washington. I could sell tickets to that one. I would too, actually. Executive order 13848, imposing certain sanctions in the event of a foreign interference in a United States election. All right. So I guess that didn't happen.

Starting point is 01:40:09 Bummer. Okay. So this delusional character is, you just have to wonder up, I mean, because he's dead, he's very sincere. But what, you know, this is what goes on on that side. It's the same thing as here's the talk talk 2025 gal. How does it feel to those people who voted for Donald Trump to know that he is now accepting the fact that he is in fact, the endorser of project 2025? I'm not sure what other evidence you needed.

Starting point is 01:40:42 I mean, we all told you, he told you. Also, his name is listed in the document hundreds of times. And not only that, there were video footage of him endorsing the Heritage Foundation and their little Project 2025 manuscript, which is now your new Bible. Get used to it. I mean, he literally said to you, hey, if you vote for me this time, you'll never have to do that again. Here we are Just a reminder Hitler was a product of a democracy democracies really only work friends if the people in charge are not

Starting point is 01:41:19 Lunatics and they follow the rules and Donald Trump is in fact a fucking lunatic and thank you so much I'm so excited For the next four years of my life You know, these people are the last of the Mohicans. They're dying off I mean, you know, they're just they're trying desperately trying to get some clicks and some likes Last of the mo I don't think this is going to... That's a good, interesting analogy. Well, here's Rosie O'Donnell.

Starting point is 01:41:50 Well, there's that. What can we say about Elon Musk? How did this happen? How is this allowed to happen? How is the richest man in the world allowed to buy the presidency? How? And where are the scholars? And where are the scholars and where are the lawyers and where are the poets and the political commentators who are

Starting point is 01:42:12 going to not normalize this insanity? It is absolutely insane, insane. Those Tesla cars are so ugly. That she throws that in gratuitously at the end. She should move to the Coswalt's with Ellen. Go live there. I hear the weather's great. The weather's great.

Starting point is 01:42:34 All right. So to get off the Trump must, I mean, now we've got to generalize TikTokersers and have dumb things to say and we'll start with the Gen Z idiot To know how does it feel to those people who voted for Donald Trump to know that he is now? Accepting the fact that he is in fact the endorser of a project 2025. I'm not sure what other evidence you needed I mean we all told you, he told you. Also, his name is listed in the document hundreds of times. Okay. And.

Starting point is 01:43:11 Skip this one, this is actually this, it's basically the same clip. Yeah, yeah. Okay, that's not the one I wanted. Here's your kicker. Here's your kicker. This is the last one. This is the kicker, everybody, get ready.

Starting point is 01:43:20 John takes on clips of the week. This is a woman guy, gal, he, they, she, it, I don't know. Got blue lips, the blue lipstick, fat and trigender. Trigender, okay, here we go. I am trigender, which means like a triangle, I have three genders, male, female and non-binary. And the difference between trigender and gender fluid is that I feel all three of these genders at the same time, all the time.

Starting point is 01:43:49 It doesn't ever shift or change or where I feel one gender more strongly than the other, like gender fluid tends to be. Also I should recognize and accept that a lot of people don't see non-binary as a third gender. They see it as something completely separate from the binary of male and female. But for me, it's like a third gender. Or I guess you could call it a third identity. Oh, John.

Starting point is 01:44:15 Oh, John. Please, I'd ask everybody to not encourage John telling him these clips are great on email, because it only gets more of this. I'm sorry you dropped out. Oh, I'm asking people not to encourage you. Can you hear me? You notice it, people are encouraging me. You notice this.

Starting point is 01:44:39 Yeah, they need to stop this. They need to stop this because this is hurting the show at this point. It's hurting the show. It's hurting the show, man. It's killing the show. Tina was actually, she, uh. Well, here's a, here's a clip that's similar, but not the same. But wait, there's more?

Starting point is 01:45:01 Well, this is not really a TikTok clip, but it's a good clip that's along the same dumb lines. Okay. This is Daniel Baldwin on the Diddy tapes. Look at Diddy, for instance. Let's take a look at him. Let's take a look at, he has videos. He has videos of the parties.

Starting point is 01:45:20 Now what I've heard, which I don't know how much of it is in mainstream media, I don't really follow the story that much. But what I've heard from friends that are attorneys, friends of mine that have represented me before, agents and so on, is there's a bidding war going on right now. They're driving that price up because if you want your client and your famous actor to not be involved, or famous singer to not come out, here's the price. And that they're just selling to the individuals that are in those. This is what I heard. They're selling those videos. So if you're Tommy X

Starting point is 01:45:52 and Tommy X is a big, big movie star and he was at some of the ditty parties, he was in one of those bedrooms with three other men and he's happily married to a woman and blah, Tommy doesn't want that video to come out. He does not want it to come out. Same thing for Jeffrey Epstein. Now the interesting thing about the Epstein and the theory about Epstein is we know he filmed people for sure on that island. He has a lot of movies, a lot of films of people that are very, very powerful political figures and entertainers, business people.

Starting point is 01:46:19 So do you really believe that Jeffrey Epstein killed himself? Of course not. Okay, so there's other theories that he's in Lebanon. He never died at all. That having the weight of owning those films right now over people. So will Donald Trump release those films? I believe Donald Trump probably has a lot of friends that are in those videos too. I don't know if he behooves him to release them either. But what happens if iconic African Americans or iconic Japanese Americans or iconic Anglo

Starting point is 01:46:54 Americans, former presidents, what happens if they're in those videos? What does that do to the herding of the sheep? Because I believe that's exactly what we're experiencing. Oh man, does he have a podcast now? Is that the level we've gone to with Hollywood? Daniel Baldwin has a podcast. Out of control, I blame you. And what Tommy are we talking about?

Starting point is 01:47:20 Tommy Lee Jones, Tommy Cruise, Tommy Lee. Come on, come on, man. Hey, with that that I'd like to thank you for your courage. Say in the morning to you, the man who put the sea in the Christmas driver. Say hello to my friend on the other end, the one and the only Mr. John C. DeMore! Well in the morning to you Mr. Adam McCurry. In the morning all ships and sea boost on the ground, feet in the air, subs in the water and all the names of nights out there in the morning to the trolls. We have a 2068,

Starting point is 01:47:53 2068. It's a Sunday, which means we're above average. Am I right? Hello. Yeah. Normally it's what? 400 low. Oh, I thought Sunday was always low. Every show. This is like a Gavin Costello bit that never ends. There it is. Well, it's Christmas week. People are on vacation. I mean, okay. A lot of people are traveling and there's a lot of inclement weather. Yes. And, you know, we take our time out of the week to do the show. I mean, I slept everything, we're over here.

Starting point is 01:48:27 By the way, that low number is the reason if you watch Fox or any of these networks, every one of the A-list hosts, all the top guys, they're all on vacation. The B-listers and the C-listers are in there doing the shows because we'll tell it's that because of that number it's down 20% or so 25% maybe not 20 more closer and that's enough to click though I'm going on vacation button but we don't do that no we don't because these these 2,000 people even though it's not the 2400 we normally get, those 2000 people are valuable to us. They're C-listers. We don't take them for granted.

Starting point is 01:49:12 They're the C-listers. No, we don't take you for granted. Well, they're not getting C-list material from us. We always do the A-list. A-list. A-list. Premium content. That's right.

Starting point is 01:49:22 All the time. No nonsense. That's right. And they are of course listening at trollroom.io or on any of those modern podcasts. I've noticed by the way, do not go to podcastapp.com. It's podcastapps.com. There's some... Plural. There's some wonky podcast app at podcast app.com, which is a piece of crap. No, your podcast apps, apps. Yes.

Starting point is 01:49:50 That's where you can find the podcast app.com is no good. No podcast apps.com where there's over 70 apps and services you can use for the modern podcast, which of course that's, that's scandalous. It's very scandalous. I notice that people are like, hey man, this thing sucks. What are you using? Talking about scandalous,

Starting point is 01:50:10 I guess somebody has cloned my Twitter site and put it up on Blue Sky. Yeah, yeah. With the same art and everything. It's just a real Dvorak. My handle on Blue Sky is John C. Dvorak. Yeah, someone... It's a security risk really, because they, what they did is they scam comics

Starting point is 01:50:28 for a blogger out of 333 bucks. It's horrible. He finally donated and he got scammed. There's no good. There's no good. Blue Sky is no good. This is security risk, honestly. Anyway, so that's where you can get those modern podcast apps. And yes, we always bring you premium content. And again, thank you to Strokey Bill for bringing premium content in the last episode. It was very well done. That's a great example of time, talent and treasure. So we have the multiple ways you can send the value back to the show. We give you the value. It's there.

Starting point is 01:51:04 We just throw it at your feet and you take it and take it and run with it. And if you feel that you got value out of it, send something back to us. Again, time, talent, treasure. And we want to thank Nick the Rat, who brought us the artwork for episode 1722. Now this was old artwork, right? This was, this is very old artwork. Or yeah, it's from, it's from about, I think at 19, 19, not that old. No, it's from about, I think, 19, not that old. It's from 2021, I think. Yeah, and it was the fear. It was like three years old.

Starting point is 01:51:31 Yes, it was the fear mask. And John went trolling around on noagendaartgenerator.com to get a perfect piece of art. And he gave me three options. I thought this was the best, hands down. It was so apropos for the episode. It was great. And we look forward to choosing a piece of art today

Starting point is 01:51:49 once again from our NoAgenda artists at noagendaartgenerator.com. And we appreciate the work that these artists do. It truly is magnificent. Now, we always like to thank everyone who donates- It's good stuff. It's very good. Everyone who donates over $50.

Starting point is 01:52:06 And we have 50 up to the executive, associate executive producers. We do name and amount only typically. This is a note that we feel is worth reading. We always read the notes from our executive and associate executive producers. By the way, I do want to thank Johnny Oh. And he said I could read this. He says, decided on doing a recurring donation We encourage this very much at no agenda donations calm

Starting point is 01:52:28 I was paying to be verified on X and thought why why I have 169 followers and 150 are probably bots no one gives two shits what I have to say So why give Elon my 12 bucks a month? I'd rather give it to the best podcast in the universe. Thank you, Johnny O. That's the spirit. That's exactly what we need. 12 bucks a month, yeah, is a lot. Appreciate that.

Starting point is 01:52:54 So $200 and above, you get an associate executive producer credit, which is a real credit. You can use it in Hollywood circles until they all are exposed on the Diddy tapes. Literally. Hollywood circles until they all are exposed on the ditty tapes. Literally. Yeah. And we'll read your note. And of course you can use that credit on imdb.com, all kinds of funky places. You can also just put it on a business card and present it at the freak off. Hey, I'm an associate producer.

Starting point is 01:53:22 Let me in. And $300 above you become an executive producer and we read your note as well. John, you're going to have to read the first one because I'm on the laptop and this note is so long, it literally will not fit on my screen. And I'm sure you're going to truncate this one. It's a nice donation because it's an instant night from Singy Detlefsonson who lives in Henderson, Nevada. $1,000. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:53:49 Hang on one second so I can blow it up. Yeah. It was impossible for me to get into it. It was very, very long. Okay. This is from, why don't you, do you have the name of the person? Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:54:03 It's Singhy Detlefson in Henderson, Nevada $1,000 Okay, I guess because I have to double click on this because this actually blows out my spreadsheet But I can at least get started. I started listening He or she rice. I'm not sure Do you guys back in 2016 when a friend Teddy punched me in the mouth, please call him out as a douchebag. Douchebag. Douchebag.

Starting point is 01:54:29 I can still vividly recall switching between listening to No Agenda and NPR. This is interesting. On my commute to work at Amazon in Seattle. Your media deconstruction opened my eyes to the lies. Russiagate, he has in parentheses of the national treasure. And I've never gone back. Well, good for you. In 2020, I left corporate life at Amazon after six years and went full time with my wife in our dietary supplement business, wholesome story. Although I love my time in Amazon,

Starting point is 01:55:04 I still remember my final drive leaving Amazon and screaming, freedom, in the style of Mel Gibson from the movie Braveheart. We didn't end up like him. Only our own business that has been the greatest blessing. I own my mind and my time. Wholesome Story is a market leader in the, own my mind and my time. Wholesome Story is a market leader in the, you know, I know how to pronounce this. Inositol? It's in I-N-O-S-I-T-O-L category. Inositol, I think.

Starting point is 01:55:35 Which mainly helps women with polycystic ovarian syndrome, PCOS, the world's leading cause of infertility. and it goes on about that Trump's election and the appointment of RFK jr. Can hopefully Remove the tape over our mouths and allow more women to find out natural options to support their bodies Canada has no such limits so long as you have Clinical trials and I hope the u.s. Adopt a similar strategy. In addition to the woes of supplements, I'm actively advocating for change in how the US deals with foreign e-commerce sellers.

Starting point is 01:56:13 To put it bluntly, we're exporting our cash to China faster than you can imagine. Yes, I think we've discussed that. I recently wrote an article titled E-commerce Wars and How the US is Losing. You can find it somewhere on medium medium.com at shingle or shing shing high slash e-commerce wars and okay well that well because he has a pitch further down to purchase supplements from their website with

Starting point is 01:56:40 this instant night donation please night me sir sh Xing Hai is S-H-I-N, Xing Hai, protector of the Moonies. Uh, a story for another time and add some coffee ice cream to the round table, which is quite tasty by the way. Yes. Karma for the U S in the world further. If anyone wants to purchase supplements from our website, uh, www whole some story.com, wholesomestory.com Use the code ITM15 and say 15%. Thank you all for you do and Merry Christmas,

Starting point is 01:57:13 Xing Hai. Yes, and he did in the beginning ask for a deducing. You've been deduced. Thank you, Xing Hai. Coffee, ice cream has been ordered. We go on, oh, no agenda shop. Hey, no Shanghai. Coffee ice cream has been ordered. We go on to... Oh, No Agenda Shop. Hey, No Agenda Shop.

Starting point is 01:57:27 It's been a while. Yeah, we got to get them more business. Yeah, although they do come in with a cool $851.74, and this is basically a donation from... It's a cut. It's undetermined. We have no formal agreement with them. They always make sure the artists whose artwork is used get paid when people buy from No Agenda

Starting point is 01:57:48 Shop, except no imitators. There's like No Agenda Gear and other things. Noagendashop.com, that's the only one that we sanction. Noagendashop.com, they're in Gitmo Nation, Georgia. And they say, sorry for the delay in our most recent contribution. The new human resource in my life has pushed me overboard, but I'm slowly regaining control of the ship. Luckily, you are still here to cure me of the mainstream media malaise. No jingles, no karma and Merry Christmas. Merry Christmas to you and congratulations on the new human resource. That's nice. Sir Tyler in Anchorage, Alaska 34375, which I believe is 33333 plus the added fees.

Starting point is 01:58:33 Gentlemen, please keep up the great work. You too are proof that one, if I believe in you and you believe in me, then together we can prove that one plus one is three. Hey now. Together we can prove that one plus one is three. Hey now. Merry Christmas Gitmo Nation from Tyler Systems LLC, your AI workflow and automation sweatshop in Alaska. Another donation coming for Sunday. Every time Sam Altman opens his mouth,

Starting point is 01:58:58 more of his clients open up the business for competing bidding. If you're skeptical of AI, Adam, and insist it do something productive, ha, and useful, and useful, shoo me a note, shoot, shoot, shoot. Shoole, shoole. Ay, oy, shoole me a note sometime. Taylor, at Taylor's, oh, Tyler, I'm sorry. Tyler, Tyler, T-Y-L-E-R at tylersystems.com. So all you AI guys can do this.

Starting point is 01:59:31 North to the future, sir. Tyler in Alaska, I may ask him to do some, some. Some AI work for you? You got some. No, I'm thinking of it. I got ideas. We need no agenda agents. We need agentic AI for no agenda.

Starting point is 01:59:44 That would be good. David McCown, McKeon, McKeon, I think, MCKEOWN, Salt Lake City, Utah, 343. Wait, wait, wait. Oh, I'm sorry. Okay. Yeah. 343. Yep.

Starting point is 01:59:58 Yep. Yep. Do we have a do it? Sorry, keep talking. Just don't pay attention to me. Well, you're, you're treading on me. 343.75 is probably a 333. 33 plus the fees.

Starting point is 02:00:10 Dude, aka a joint. Hmm. Newish to no agenda. First time donating. Well, let's... You've been deduced. Unlimited value in the show, but not my fiat tickets. Yeehaw! 400 more years.

Starting point is 02:00:29 Okay. David, thank you very much. And with the hint Sir Tyler's second donation, he said he'd donate on Sunday and Monday. Ah. $3.4375 and the previous note applies. Okay. Sir Don... Thank you very much, Sir Tyler. Appreciate that. Sir Don is next with a $3.33 dot thirty three plus fees from Chandler, Arizona in the morning Merry Christmas to you and yours. No jingles. No karma But I do believe this donation makes me a baron if it pleases the peerage committee

Starting point is 02:00:56 I would like to henceforth be known as sir Don Baron of Chandler Love is lit and I think we're good. We're good on that Grant Shuler in Cincinnati, Ohio 34375 which is again the 33333 and no jingles and he's got no note so he gets a double up karma. You've got karma. Sir Rick is in Arlington Washington 333.48 and he sent us a note which I will read. Dear John Adam, having reached the contribution level for Duke, I'm submitting my application for title change from Earl to Duke. Approved.

Starting point is 02:01:37 Let me henceforth be known as Sir Rick, Duke of Washington minus Seattle and the rest of those crazies in King County. Having reached this status, I've realized that I've married way below my station to a mere dame. Therefore future donations will be shifted from Sir Rick to Dame Becky in the interest of marital bliss. John is always complaining about my detailed accounting, so I've managed to fit it into one page on the reverse side of this missive.

Starting point is 02:02:00 All the best. Keep up the good work. No jingles. No karma, Sir Rick. P.S. Dame Becky and I have only ever had one fight. It started July of 1987 and I'll let you know when it's over Folder great hair. Love you mean it. No homo. Thank you very much brother. Good deal Let's see. It sounds about right. Yep We're gonna have trouble or he's gonna come in as sir Rick. These are bank checks usually. They're $69.96 month after month, which adds up.

Starting point is 02:02:29 Alexander Grutardaro. I think Grutardaro. Grutardaro. Grutardaro in Rochester, New York, 33333. Adam, it was nice to meet you and Tina. Ah! During our flight, this is your buddy. This is the guy who yelled in the bathroom.

Starting point is 02:02:53 This is your, he's eating the dogs. Yeah, this is him. Adam, it was nice to meet you and Tina during our flight from Amsterdam to Florence. You were both so delightful to chat with. As I said, I'm fairly new to the show. A friend got me into it just over a year ago, but I haven't missed it one since. He hasn't donated yet, so I'm sure this public call out will motivate him to get his own deducing.

Starting point is 02:03:16 Douchebag! Been traveling, so I haven't listened to the Thursday show yet, but I can't wait to be reminded of all the BS we were fed over the past almost five years of COVID nonsense. Thank you both for your courage and for keeping us from getting spun up as we have all those psyops thrown at us. Yes, there's a lot of them. So also please thank Tina for my wife and I. We really enjoyed hanging out

Starting point is 02:03:46 at baggage claim. Merry Christmas or Buon Natale. Buono Natale. We are here in Italy. I hope to see you around town. Could I please have an airport bathroom? They're eating the dogs due to climate change combo and a de-douching Alex and Annie in Florence Italy from Rochester New York on a suite they're eating the dogs due to climate change you've been de-douched well that's fun ah that's hey I'm working man. See, I got them to donate. Yeah, that was that's, that's good. That's good. That was good. Jason Brookfield, Wisconsin 33333 executive producer title for you, sir.

Starting point is 02:04:34 Thanks for years of informative and entertaining amygdala treatments. I enjoyed reminiscing about COVID hysteria on Thursday's podcast. I think it's a great reminder of the need for amygdala health awareness. Christmas plus children heartstring pitch. I want to invite any listeners willing to help my daughter's youth group for their service trip this summer. We even welcome those simply wanting a tax deduction.

Starting point is 02:04:54 The crew is putting faith into action by doing acts of service here in the Greater Milwaukee area and will take a trip to Alaska to serve through thirst missions, thirst missions this summer to impoverished families and Native Alaskans. Our church website, anchorfalls.org, anchorfalls.org has a giving link. If you include no agenda gift or some reference to no agenda in the note, our church administrator will know how to direct the funds to the youth group. Jingle requests, Sunday service, no longer longer douchebag from Brookfield, Wisconsin. My children, it's the Sunday morning service.

Starting point is 02:05:30 Tell the teacher no agenda. Can I get some Adam Curry? Can I get a little John Tudorora? Lord help us out. All right. Sir Zach of Fudge in Frankenmouth, Michigan, 333.33, I guess they're selling some fudge. Yeah. This is the NoAgendaFudge.com. Fudge, NoAgendaFudge.com, yeah.

Starting point is 02:05:50 In the morning, we knew a lot of holiday parties happen after Christmas Day as well. Bring the gift that offends no one. Go to NoAgendaFudge.com. Use promo code NOAGENDA for free shipping. Happy holidays, everyone. Thank you. Commodore Brennan of the Glass City is up next. 33333 from Perrysburg, Ohio. Remember this is for two shows so it's highly appreciated. ITM gents, I recently hit my mom in the mouth and now she calls me and starts the conversation about no agenda or she calls it exposing agendas. All right mom, when I first told her about the show, she said, Adam Curry from MTV? We had the same hair in the 80s. Regardless of the hair, this show continues to make a great impact and a great conversation

Starting point is 02:06:35 starter. All that said, can I get a fun request because the website is as old as all get out and the jingle has not been played in a few episodes. Can I get a Dvorak.org slash NA jingle also John we can save that site if you figure out the password uh-huh we all know the password is gone we all know it's not okay now can you get a whole anyway if you want to do some work on it, I can deal with that. Yeah, let's do it. Aditya Trimurthy, you know, Aditya, this is an Indian name, I can't pronounce it. He's in Hyberabad, India.

Starting point is 02:07:15 Hyperabad. Trimurthy is. Hyperabad. Hyderabad. Hyderabad. Hyderabad. Hyderabad. Hyderabad.

Starting point is 02:07:23 Sorry. I don't know where it is. 33333. but he does say no jingles, no karma. It's always mutton and mead. Amen to that. Surpassing the peace and tranquility. 333333 he sent in a note which I shall read. ITM boys, please find and close a December donation. I'm looking forward to being back in the States for the holidays. There's no place like Merica. And it's that time of the year again for my keeper to celebrate one more trip around the Sun on the 29th of this month. Steamed blue crabs, Coors Light and She-Crab Soup with great friends and family will be the feast of the day. She's a Baltimorean? Baltimore, Baltimore, Baltimore on.

Starting point is 02:08:06 If you could play the- Baltimore on. Baltimore on, I've not heard of this. I've not heard of this. I haven't either. Could you please play a biscuit for her birthday? Why, of course we can. They always give me a biscuit on my birthday.

Starting point is 02:08:18 Also to celebrate our visit for the holiday, if you could please play the backup to the backup to the backup jingle, yes. It will be, I will be forever grateful as a self-proclaimed plan B guy. This jingle always cracks me up. Love the show. Thank you for what you do. Four more years. Donation accounting attached sincerely, sir. Pursuit of peace and tranquility. Earl of the lands of the red clay and the cherry trees. A backup and a backup to that backup and a backup to the backup to the backup.

Starting point is 02:08:44 Boom. Shane Larson in Anchorage, Alaska somehow came in with a note that's all underlined. 333. And underlined and in light, lighter, normal text. I know. It's great. Hi there. I just came out of hiding and finally donated to No Agenda for the first time.

Starting point is 02:09:04 333, baby. So he gets a deducing please. You've been deduced. I sent a hyperlink with my donation which I believe this entire note is the hyperlink. I was humbly wondering if you would consider the song I created on Suno Yeah, what's the song AI site? Yes about the no agenda draw a New Jersey No agenda New Jersey drones for the end of the show and he's got a link either way Can you please add these jingles don't eat me?

Starting point is 02:09:44 Bojieden shut Shut up, slaves. Thank you, he says. Don't eat me, Bojieden. You're scary, so scary. Shut up, slave. Because of the hassle in getting here, I did not have time to check that out. I will.

Starting point is 02:09:59 Thank you very much. He'll check it out later. Sir Ted is in Mendon, New York. 300 bucks from Sir Ted. Adam and John C., thanks for the show. Enjoy your trip to Italy. Sir Ted is in Menden, New York. 300 bucks from Sir Ted. Adam and John C. Thanks for the show. Enjoy your trip to Italy, Sir Ted. Boom.

Starting point is 02:10:09 Thank you very much, Sir Ted. Love it. Well, if you thought that note was short, we got our first associate executive producer, Zadak Brown in Makawau, Hawaii. Makawau. Hawaii. Hawaii. Hawaii., Hawaii. Macawau. Hawaii. Hawaii.

Starting point is 02:10:25 Hawaii. Or Hawaii. Yes. Uh, 277. And his note says, thanks for the insight and laughs. Nice. Thanks for the short note. The Norwegian night to be is in Oslo, 26322.

Starting point is 02:10:42 And he says, nothing beats listening to John and Adam debating the quality of a French snack. Hilarious. Show 1720 was just what I needed to take me further along my way to knighthood. Not only was it funny, but it confirmed my intuition. I live in Spain, a country that never recovered after the shock of inflation the Euro brought with it. If it wasn't for the local black market and the country's economy, would come to a halt.

Starting point is 02:11:09 Spain is basically a banana republic in disguise, but life is good once you get used to it. Also, you are correct about nationalism being the antidote to globalism, if I understood you correctly. Western Europe is being propagandized by corrupt globalists to the point where liberal nationalism is frowned upon as being right extremism. This is especially true in Norway where I come from. No jingles, no karma. Greetings from the Norwegian knight to be. I would find that peculiar in Norway, which is the most independent, not in the EU. I know it's interesting.

Starting point is 02:11:47 But he lives in Spain. So, yeah. Well, talking about short notes, this is Ivan Babic in Astoria, New York, 26322. Uh, no note at all, which gives him a double up karma. It sure does. You've got karma. And another associate executive producership for Sir Luca from Walla Walla Washington 23456 Merry Christmas and Happy New Year fellas. Thanks for another year of media deconstruction. For more years please. Jingle

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Starting point is 02:19:17 Our formula is this. We go out, we hit people in the mouth. Didn't want to mention because it happened, of course. In fact, I was lamenting to how man, I wish we had a show. We would have so much fun laughing about Clarissa Ward freeing a notorious Assad regime torturer with her phony baloney prison cell break thing. What a farce. She will always now be known as the one,

Starting point is 02:20:04 the CNN journalist who freed the torturer forever. It's a black mark on her resume. Well, that's like Geraldo in the El Capone vault. The empty safe. Basically the same thing. Yes. CNN, by the way, this is the second hotel we've been in, no longer at the airport hotel

Starting point is 02:20:27 in Amsterdam and not in this hotel in Italy either. CNN, and CNN International, nothing. They're not on the system. I found that very peculiar. Bad management. Bad hotel management or bad CNN management? No, CNN. They should be, you know, they shouldn't allow this. They should have, they had, they had dominating spaces all the day and all the

Starting point is 02:20:54 they did airports and they were all over that were Europe. You do can't, couldn't turn on a TV without getting CNN international. So here's just a little fun thing. Um, we haven't been following it very closely, but Justin Trudeau is under some real pressure. Yeah. So he's got people from his cabinet resigning. It's kind of unclear why. I mean, do you have any, any clues to what's going on?

Starting point is 02:21:22 I got nothing. No. Well, I do have two people speaking to Sir Trudeau saying how much they hate him and Apparently that's just out there. You've sold us out to globalism. Okay, you are not working for Canada You are working for your globalist partners. I wonder how much they're paying you to betray Canada.

Starting point is 02:21:47 What do we do with traitors in Canada, Mr. Trudeau? We used to hang them, hang them for treason. And you're doing that very same thing to us now. King Trudeau, what gives you the right to continue? What gives you the right to stay in office? You failed Canada. You've ruined in office. You failed Canada. You've ruined our country. You're done.

Starting point is 02:22:07 Walk away. You don't have an ounce of your father's integrity. At least he walked in the snow. You've ruined this country. Everyone around you is running from you. They're abandoning you. Christia Freeland, Sean Fraser, they've all left you. It's time for you to go.

Starting point is 02:22:22 It's time for Canada to have an election. You're not the king. You're not the king. You're not the king. There's a lot of talk about him resigning. Yes. I wish we knew what was going on. I wish a Canadian would give us a briefing on why this swapped out so quickly. This should have been going on during the trucker strike. I don't get it.

Starting point is 02:22:43 They're just mad now. Now they're mad. Now trucker strike. I don't get it. They're just mad now. Now, now they're mad. Now they're mad. I don't know. Odd. Very odd. Syria news. Cause Syria is a problem. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:22:57 Yeah. I was reading that after Blinken, everyone went to Damascus. The apparently the U S had a $10 dollar bounty on this guy's head and like, oh no, it's okay. We're dropping that now. You're good. Yeah, they dropped the bounty because he's now in charge. You're good. Yeah. They must have done some sort of backdoor deal. Something happened. Yes.

Starting point is 02:23:19 But let's play these. This is from the BBC again, Helena. Now Syria's new rulers have begun appointing key ministers two weeks after the fall of Bashar al-Assad. The European Union, the UK, France and the United States have all sent delegations to the Syrian capital, Damascus, with the US scrapping a $10 million award for the arrest of Syria's de facto leader, Ahmed al-Sharaa. Well, as the regime change continues to take shape, I've been speaking with the director of the Syria conflict research program at the London School of Economics, Dr. Reem Tukmani.

Starting point is 02:23:50 Reem, thank you so much for being with us once again here on BBC News. Very good to see you. Before we delve deeper into that question of the transition now in Syria, I'd just like to begin by talking about how people in the country are currently faring. Can you give us an idea when it comes to their humanitarian needs, infrastructure and so on? How are people doing? The daily lives of ordinary Syrians right now vary significantly depending on the region. So, in areas, many of the areas that were previously under regime control like Homs, Hamas, Damascus, there's a sense of relief that the Syrian regime is gone. However, in the coastal areas and part of the countryside, fear persists about the future, what might hold and potential retribution. In the Northeast, which is under SDF control, there is also tension,

Starting point is 02:24:48 There is also tension, you know, fears about potential clashes with Turkey-backed forces. But despite of the regional differences, the one common threat that unites most Syrians is really the daily struggle to survive. If you look just before the fall of the Assad regime, already we had about 70 million people required humanitarian aid. 90% of the Syrians were in poverty and around 13 million were food insecure. I don't believe a word of this. And the more you and I talk about it, the more people get mad at me. You have no idea what he did. You have no idea how bad he was.

Starting point is 02:25:26 Well, the international community... It's an exercise. And we have to harken back to the earlier days when he was being visited by all the Hollywood celebrities and everything was getting bowed up all over the place. So I went to Flickr, which is still there, and they still have all the, and looked up Damascus, Syria, I looked up different to see photos that people, tourists, king of the areas, and I don't see 90% you look around, these guys are going all over the place. Flickr is really a good resource for looking at pictures.

Starting point is 02:26:09 That normal people go, you know, snapshots. And there's just these pictures. I don't see any evidence of 90%. They're big markets. I don't see any evidence of 90% food insecurity. I don't see any of that stuff that what this guy just said. I don't understand. Maybe it's on homes and we just weren't getting that information. You got pictures of homes, homes?

Starting point is 02:26:35 Uh, there was a pretty much all over the country pictures and you don't see anything that implies what this guy just said. I just, it seems like a pack of lies. And the fact that this guy that was had a $10 million bounty, which is not trivial on his, I mean, they only had $50,000 for the healthcare shooter, $10 million on his head. And now all of a sudden, I was fine and dandy. This is, this is an op.

Starting point is 02:27:04 There's clip two. And these numbers have deteriorated after the fall because of many infrastructure have collapsed. There's still a struggle for daily services. People are getting hardly an hour of electricity, especially in areas that were under religion control. There's a price hike as well. So the sudden change in the regime also meant a change in the economy. The regime had a subsidy over basic commodities like bread, fuel, and now this has been lifted. So suddenly the price of bread went up tenfolds overnight.

Starting point is 02:27:43 The cost of commuting went up four folds overnight. So, ordinary people are really, really struggling to survive despite that sense of relief and joy that finally the regime is gone. We have seen a number of international delegations visiting Syria this week, including representatives from here in the United States. Have we learned anything new about the discussions about any kind of perhaps provisional agreements or at least how those governments will interact with each other after those visits? We don't know much about the meeting with the head of HTS, but we know that on the table there were issues like lifting the prescription of HTS as a terrorist organization, also lifting the sanctions and providing international

Starting point is 02:28:35 assistance for reconstructions. I didn't learn much from that. There's international assistance for construction. That's kind of like, okay. Oil, gas, the gas pipeline, Qatar pipeline, something like that, maybe. The whole thing is sketchy. Well, then I'm surprised anyone gets mad at us for this analysis. Ah, you know, it's been sketchy forever.

Starting point is 02:29:01 You have to know that he had hundreds of thousands of prisoners and he was incinerating them in underground ovens. Yeah, this is what I'm being told, but we never heard this before, ever. I don't know why. Okay, this was kind of interesting for reasons that I don't think everyone really realized. Igor Kirilov, the guy who was killed, the Russian. Oh yeah, this is interesting. Exactly. This is good. Yeah. Let's have a couple of clips here that's a little backgrounder here. Turning now to some breaking news out of Russia, where the bloodshed from the Ukraine war has now reached the front door of the Kremlin. Take a look at this video, which appears to show the assassination of Lieutenant General

Starting point is 02:29:55 Igor Kirolov, the head of Russia's chemical, radiological and biological weapons unit. Habiting just miles from the Kremlin, Ukraine's security service claimed responsibility for the killing. Even the timing is dramatic. Just yesterday Ukraine charged Lieutenant General Karylov with war crimes. Today they say they have killed him in Moscow. Russian media reporting a bomb was taped to the handle of a scooter. Yeah, it was quite dramatic. And of course we had video. But I think this report also has a nat pop. This morning in Moscow Moscow a dramatic explosion

Starting point is 02:30:45 killing a key Russian general and his assistant the blast so powerful it blew the bricks from the walls and the remains of a scooter it was loaded with explosives Ukraine says operation both audacious and precise the bomb detonating as he moved between a building and a car and Ukraine's most ambitious assassination deep inside Russia since the war began to the government lieutenant general Igor Karelov was chief of the Russian Army's

Starting point is 02:31:15 chemical weapons division he was sanctioned by the UK in October for the alleged use of chemical weapons in Ukraine according to Ukrainian security source briefed on the matter, Kirillov was an absolutely legitimate target since he gave orders to use prohibited chemical weapons against the Ukrainian military. Such an inglorious end awaits all who kill the Ukrainians. The source asking for anonymity because they aren't authorized to discuss it publicly. Russian state television leading with news of the killing, saying the bomb was remotely operated.

Starting point is 02:31:50 It comes as the war started after Russia invaded Ukraine and as its third year both sides still taking massive losses. Already Russian investigators are calling the bombing an act of terrorism but they will be under pressure to explain another high profile assassination in the Russian capital. So this is all kind of standard reporting. I don't for a minute buy that somehow Ukraine is able to kill this guy in Moscow. But this next clip leads me into some interesting things

Starting point is 02:32:22 this guy has been saying that might explain this assassination. Karylov was just charged on Monday by Ukraine for using banned chemical weapons during Russia's invasion. We know he was a big player in Russia's propaganda apparatus, constantly spreading lies about Ukraine and America. He once claimed the US, in fact, was planning to use drones designed to spread infected mosquitoes. And as the head of the biological weapons unit, he was accused of using a riot-controlled gas against Ukrainian troops that caused extreme irritation and pain in the eyes and lungs. Just bigger picture here.

Starting point is 02:32:59 Colonel, what does his death mean for the Russian war effort and Kremlin's overall goals, do you think? Well, I think they're going to focus their attention on the battlefield. They are making progress like I suggested. By the way, General Kurylov was also accused of using not just riot control agents, CS and CN, but also nitro chloroform, which was used in the first world war and is banned by the chemical weapons treaty to which Russia is a signatory. Okay, so, oh, tear gas. Oh my goodness, how horrible. Oh, tear gas. They use CS gas, I might add, during the riots at Berkeley in the late 60s,

Starting point is 02:33:41 on the students. We use that on our citizens here. What's the big deal? But it was some things he said on Russia. You heard about the mosquitoes from drones. That was interesting. And I have here some audio, which I will translate in real time of Krylov on Russian television. So the reporter says the growth in illnesses caused by atypical infections

Starting point is 02:34:04 has been noted in a number of countries right now. So can we say that this is the result of some help from American biologists? And he answers, we can't say this so indiscriminately. We are public officials after all. As for biological weapons, if we assess the damage caused by COVID over the course of two years and around the world, the reporter says the main pandemic lasted two years. He says it cannot even be compared with the damage from World War II.

Starting point is 02:34:30 It is dozens of times greater. However, those who make the profits such as big pharma, she says, do you mean all the pharmaceutical companies? And he says, yes, the profits of the pharma companies, which are mainly in the U S are colossal. That's the way it is. So that's the first clip. And then the second clip, the reporter says, so the question is, he says, the question

Starting point is 02:34:54 is being asked, we provide documents. The reaction of the USA that we are talking about is typical. There has not been a single refutation of the documents we presented. We sent more than 2,000 pages of these documents to the United Nations. I presume he's talking about the documents that were found about bio labs in Ukraine. Yes, I think there were 11 of them. Yes, the reporter says what sort of reply did you receive? Kirillov says we usually get two replies. A standard one from the USA is all that is done is in the interest of the national security of the USA and you have to trust us. Reporter says, trust them blindly? He says, yes, trust them blindly. They have

Starting point is 02:35:34 a policy of global biological control. They understood that this works and that by creating artificial crises which are biological in nature, they can rule the world. There's nothing they do for free. Even when they provide supplies to certain states free of nature, they can rule the world. There's nothing they do for free. Even when they provide supplies to certain states free of charge, they are not as free of charge as they say. So this guy was a problem. He was. And so, yeah, all of a sudden, oh yeah, Ukraine did this.

Starting point is 02:35:58 Sure. Sure, Ukraine killed him. I don't believe it for a second. I don't either. Very unhandy to have this happening. This guy out there running around shooting his mouth off. Yeah, this was some high-end prose that killed this guy. Yeah. Oh, yeah, that was well done. Well done. Yeah, he was shooting his mouth off about the biological labs all around Ukraine, which

Starting point is 02:36:26 was in the conversation when the war first broke out, disappeared from the discussion, especially in the mainstream media. Nobody wants to talk about it or say anything about it. No. And this guy keep bringing it up and other things, issues that I didn't hear about the mosquitoes, but that sounds like something we dream up is some crackpot idea. Sounds like it. Yeah. I have a little bit of climate change stuff if you want to switch.

Starting point is 02:36:54 I actually have two clips too. Well, why don't you give us some climate change clips? A minor reminder so that you'd be probably best to start with these. This is about the key deer, which are little bitty deer. It's like a deer, it's like a white tail deer that's about one third the size of a normal deer. And by the way, I plague a deer in my yard. Hell no.

Starting point is 02:37:17 And they got the biggest ears, these particular brands. Oh, the easier to shoot at. The old trick is you put a salt lick down somewhere and then you just trap them. Kill them, shoot them easy. OK. And it's all because of climate change. And there's a couple of statements in here that are just worth it. There's a type of white tailed deer that's unique to the Florida Keys.

Starting point is 02:37:42 It's been on the endangered species list for nearly 60 years and only about 800 of them remain and its habitat is under growing threat from rising sea levels. William Brangham has the latest in our series, Saving Species. These tiny deer roam freely across front yards and graze on the side of the road on some of the many islands of the lower Florida Keys. They are very gentle, very, very gentle. And the longer you live here, the more you want to protect them. The key deer is the smallest subspecies of the North American white-tailed deer.

Starting point is 02:38:18 They're about the size of a golden retriever. They only come to about 24 to 30 inches at shoulder height so they are substantially smaller and they're only found here in the Florida Keys. The first written record of the key deer came from a 16th century Spanish shipwreck survivor. They currently live on only about two dozen of the Keys 1700 islands, swimming or wading between them and living in the mangroves, pine rocklands and freshwater wetlands. Climate change is the thing that's going to get them. But it's those very habitats that are under threat from rising sea levels.

Starting point is 02:38:54 Chris Berg is with the Nature Conservancy. This is a success story until now. These animals have been doing very well. They've been coming back. Pop population is not only stable but growing, but it's only a matter of time as the sea continues to rise that their habitat availability is the thing that undoes the key deer. Oh boy, climate, climate, climate. So in the second clip they're going to talk about rising sea levels. But the national ocean... Wait, wait.

Starting point is 02:39:25 So I just thought I'd interrupt it as we speak and ask you what is the, what do you think the sea level rise are gonna say? What do you think it's gonna be? It's gonna be 17 centimeters, like 12 centimeters of foot. What do you think? It won't take much to kill these poor deer. Well, let's play the clip and you'll find out. Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh uhhhhhhhhh uhhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh uhhhh seven feet. Seven feet? Sure. Come on, seven feet. Oh man. Well, the reality of climate change is here and boy do we notice that in Italy. Up in the mountain they had completely redone the, during COVID, redid the entire little mini resort there. They had not had snow there for five years. Five years. Five

Starting point is 02:40:27 years no snow due to climate change. And this year there's snow due to climate change. From record breaking temperatures to devastating disasters, 2024 brought us closer to the reality of what climate change looks and feels like. According to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, the Atlantic basin experienced 18 named storms throughout the year. Between January and November, the average US temperature was 57 degrees Fahrenheit, roughly three degrees above average, and the warmest ever for that period.

Starting point is 02:40:59 During that same time, precipitation levels totaled more than 29 inches, which is roughly one and a half inches more than average. CBS News National environmental correspondent David Schechter joins us now. David, 2023 was the hottest on record. How did 2024 fare? I feel like you're always bringing me in for the good news here. 2024 is set to be even hotter than 2023. There it is. This year will mark for the first time ever. That our average temperature on the planet will be warmer than 1.5 degrees above pre-industrial numbers.

Starting point is 02:41:29 1.5 is this key number that came out of the Paris Climate Accord in 2015. That was where we were supposed to stay below 1.5 degrees Celsius. The issue here is that it's a combination of average of years. So we haven't violated that climate accord yet, but we're certainly not heading in the right direction at all. That was new. That was new to me. It's not 1.5 per year.

Starting point is 02:41:53 It's an average. How many years? Average of what? No, it's just, you know, to change the, moving, it's called moving the goalpost. We change the way the calculation is done. This is what we do with our economic data.

Starting point is 02:42:06 Oh, speaking of such. We saw devastating heat waves, hurricanes made worse by climate change. How many major events impacted the U.S. and how is a warming planet contributing? Well, we talk about billion dollar weather disasters. That's sort of the number that is a threshold for a huge disaster. Wait a minute. Billion weather disasters. That's sort of the number that is a threshold for a huge

Starting point is 02:42:25 disaster. Wait a minute. Billion-dollar disasters. So that's just a made-up number, which by the way, a billion dollars was a million dollars 50 years ago. So this too was a moving target. They're just making up as you go along. A a major disaster is a billion dollars the u.s. Experienced 24 of those weather disasters through and climate disasters from January through November of 2024 of this year And that is only second to the number of 28 that was last year these 24 billion dollar emergencies or resulted in an estimated 418 deaths 61 billion dollars in damage and to point, these storms are not caused,

Starting point is 02:43:07 these emergencies not caused by climate change, but climate change is juicing the conditions and rolling it, sort of loading the dice to make it potentially worse. Oh, it's such a scam. Juicing and loading the dice. Yeah. All right. I just want to do, we got to, we got to get out of here.

Starting point is 02:43:27 We have some people think, but I do have a real new story here. Let me see. This was an amazing real new story that I just, I loved it so much. Let me see. And now back to real news. Tonight a 29 year old pleading not guilty to attempted murder and a few other charges after being accused of stabbing a DJ at a vegan strip club on Saturday. Come on, come on, a vegan strip club, come on, is Raven working there? A

Starting point is 02:43:56 vegan strip club. Raven! Here she comes, oh she's lost a lot of weight. Ahhhhhhh. Vegan. Vegan. Shrimp club. Do you have anything? Can you top that is what I'm asking. No, I can't top that so you win. I'm gonna show my support by donating to No Agenda. Imagine all the people who could do that. Oh yeah, that'd be fun.

Starting point is 02:44:21 Yeah, on No Agenda. In the morning. We got some dynamite end of show mixes. We have John's Tip of the Day, of course. Everybody looking forward to the tip of the day. We do have some Knights and Dames, which is nice, and some great meetup reports. So first, John, we'll thank everybody who came in $ dollars and above for supporting this and this episode and episode 1722 yeah, well we start with the Indy meter from Greenwood, Indiana It's one of those notes you're gonna have to read. It's 195 dollars was five dollars beneath the Exactly as associate executive, but is it a involves a knighting a daming?

Starting point is 02:45:02 Yes, sir PBR Street gang gifted his winning meeting raffle T raffle ticket to Nadir who added dollars to it Then switch a rooted to achieve this mom's dame hood whose note follows In the morning Adam and John I appreciate all you do and I'm excited to finally be Dame of the best podcast in the universe My name will be Dame Steph of the dark side for For the round table, I'd like Twizzlers, potato chips and chips and guacamole. I'd like to thank my son Nadir for being so generous, for helping me get here. We are both devoted NoAgenda fans. Have a happy 2025 and may your year be full of laughter, happiness and many, many cats." And then it says, Jingle, you fools,

Starting point is 02:45:44 you stupid fools. We don't have a you fools, you stupid fools I don't we don't have a you fools you stupid fools jingle that I can recall I never heard of one well we can do a service goat though that we can do with the karma you've got karma so this is a note this for Martin McIntyre I'll have to read this to the Mount Laurel New Jersey and he says, 138.42, rest in peace, Big Mac, and Merry Christmas to all. Note, I paid the fee, but the donation amount is 131.42. My dad's birthday, he passed away on the 7th of December.

Starting point is 02:46:19 And so I decided to read it. Lydia Terry in Rochester, New Hampshire, 125. Nathan Cochran and Franklin Franklin, Tennessee That's one of your mercy mercy me boys right there. There you go one two three four five We get mercy me is it's interesting that we have these bands that listen to it William Cotter and st. Paul, Minnesota

Starting point is 02:46:45 120 Dan William Cotter in St. Paul, Minnesota, 120. Dan Kesterton in Colorado Springs, 11133. He's got a birthday call out for, I guess, himself. He needs a deducing. Okay, hold on, hold on. DEDUCHED! You've been deduced. David Weicker in Jacksonville, Florida, 1111. Weicker, it's Weicker. You always do that wrong.

Starting point is 02:47:07 David Weicker, sir, by his grace. How did you know this? 111.22. You keep doing that one wrong. Well, that's because Weicker is, I think it was a Senator, and as you always pronounce it, Weicker, and it's spelled exactly the same. And when I see it, that's what I think of. I'll keep correcting.

Starting point is 02:47:26 Yeah, keep jumping on me. Yes. William Elliot in, uh, IEA, IEA, Hawaii, Hawaii, uh, 10535. Keep the newsletters coming, he writes. Mary Ann Schmid in, I don't know, Valet, what is this? Hold on. I am not… She's in New York.

Starting point is 02:47:53 She's in, oh, she said no, she's in Iceland. I don't know where she is. Experienced around, oh, she had a bunch of problems with drones. PSYOP is advanced. Yes. Rob, because they shut down an airport or something, she got stuck. Yes. Robin Tolbert in Topeka, Kansas, a hundred.

Starting point is 02:48:14 Ian Field, a hundred. Henry Davis in St. Petersburg, a hundred. Dude named Ben in Czechoslovakia, or CZ, Czech Republic. I think it's Czech Republic. And he needs a deducing for his friend Lybor. You've been deduced. Brian Lillard in Prosper, Texas

Starting point is 02:48:38 8888 Allison Oh, Round Rock, Texas and this is 88 but it's another one is a switcheroo for tonight my dad Rick Oh, you Rock, Texas, and this is 88, but it's another one. It's a switcheroo for tonight. My dad, Rick Oh, you might as well read this note because it's a nighting. In the morning, John Adam, like a good human resource, I've hit my dad, Rick Oh, several times in the mouth over the years and finally left a mark. Now he listens often and we will discuss topics from the show when we talk. I was working my way to nighthood and this donation was to get me there, but I cannot in good faith accept. This is a switcheroo to give my dad his knighthood for Christmas.

Starting point is 02:49:09 Merry Christmas, dad. I know I speak for all three kids when I say how blessed and grateful we are to have you as a dad. Not only do you teach us all to always work hard and give it all we had, but it means and to give it our all, but it also means to give back to the community, help others and to be there for your family as you and mom continue to help us and offer advice. We love you.

Starting point is 02:49:35 So please deduce the man already, Adam. And give the man a Jack and Coke for the round table and call him Knight of the Coonsaw River unless he writes in for a name change. Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays for everybody in Gitmo Nation. Sincerely, Allison Sir Tony of Dimples and the grandkids. Very nice. Kevin McLaughlin comes up at 8008. He's the Archduke of Luna and lover of America and boobs 8008. That's for show 1722 and here he is again 8008 for show 1723. David Steinmeier in Lakeview Michigan 8008 another boob donation he needs a deducing. You've been deduced. Sir Chub Chub. Got a birthday donation for himself or for somebody.

Starting point is 02:50:26 7903 Amanda West in Red Wing, Minnesota, 7533. Another birthday donation for Adam. Not me. Not you. With the message, I love you. Jason Babcock. With the message, I love you. Happy birthday.

Starting point is 02:50:40 That's Jason Babcock is next and he's in Henderson, Nevada, 70, 17. He's got another birthday, this time for himself, age 54. Sir Rick, we read his note earlier, 69, 96. That's going to be switched out to somebody else's name, if we remember to do that. Baron Sir Phenomen, Appleton, Wisconsin, 69 to 69. Gordon Walton in Austin, Texas, 68, 53. Sir Gordon, for sure. Dame Rita, Sparks, Nevada, 67, 33.

Starting point is 02:51:18 Merry Christmas. Whoops, there she is again in the next show. Oh, yes. Dame Rita, Sparks Nevada, 6633. I think a dollar difference. Scott Schreiber in Madrid, Maryland, 6035. Sir Kevin O'Brien in Chicago, 6006. Kyle Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Tuhig. Toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe UK 5555 Merry Christmas James Edmondson in South Plainfield New Jersey 5510 Dean Roker 5510 Tony

Starting point is 02:52:08 healths in Fort Worth Fort Worth and this is TU and all that came as a check so it's Texas that switcheroo to my son Brian healths 5510 Adam first in Alexandria, New South Wales 5272 Jerome Van Harry and you're on for hearing in One here. I can't do it Foothill Ranch, California

Starting point is 02:52:44 5272. Your show is valuable. Robert Newell, 5250, uh, Baron Henry Pancho Rancho Palos Verdes, 5242. Uh, no agenda. Merch, New Hampshire. There you go. No agenda. Merch New Hampshire. Yeah, there you go. No agenda. Merch 51 all donate all proceeds donated. No agenda show use ITM for free shipping.

Starting point is 02:53:12 No agenda. Merch.com. They have stickers. Stickers. Forrest Martin, 50, 05 Andrew Benz and Imperial, Missouri, 50, 05. Now the rest of these people are $50 donors. I'm just going gonna run through them. Name and location starting with

Starting point is 02:53:27 Braxaw Brands LLC in Gallatin, Tennessee, a Gallatin. Corey Bennett in Denver, Colorado. Scott Lavender in Montgomery, Texas. Luke Olson in Alexandria, Virginia. Andrew Gusick in Greensboro, North Carolina. Corey Katzen, Cave Creek, Arizona, Natalie Martin in Snohomish, Washington, Nicholas Rudowich in Harpers Ferry, West Virginia,

Starting point is 02:53:52 Michael Sikora in New Richmond, Wisconsin, Baroness Knight in Edmonds, Washington, Baron Alan Bean in Beaverton, Oregon, and last on our list, Michael Statham, Parts Unknown. Those are all $50 donors. Wanna thank all these people and everybody else on this list for making Show 1723 a reality that it is. Yes, and also of course once again to our executive

Starting point is 02:54:17 and associate executive producers, we appreciate you all and everybody who came in under $50 with one of those sustaining donations. NoagendaDonations.com. Here's a jingle for those who need the karma. You've got karma. Noagenderdonations.com. What are you waiting for everybody?

Starting point is 02:54:32 It's your birthday, birthday. On Noagender. And we do have some birthdays. Jason Babcock turned 54 on the 17th. Sir Juv Juv celebrated on the 20th. Dan Kesterson, he celebrated his birthday yesterday. Amanda West says happy birthday to Adam. He celebrates today, happy birthday.

Starting point is 02:54:52 Nicole Weirman turning 54 tomorrow. Sir Pursuit of Peace and Tranquility, happy birthday to his keeper on December 24th. Sir Brian turned 66 on Christmas Day. And Melissa Benavides wishes Danny Benavides a very happy 43rd birthday. He will be celebrating on January 1st. We say happy birthday to everybody here on behalf of the best podcast in the universe. We do have two title changes. Sir Don becomes Sir Don, Baron of Chandler, and Sir Rick, who was an Earl, now becomes Sir Rick, Duke of Washington minus Seattle, and the rest of those crazies in King County. Congratulations and thank you to your exceptional additional support of the Noagenda show when you move up that peerage ladder.

Starting point is 02:55:48 Before we get to our dames and knights, a layaway dame note here from Nicole Wehrman who we just heard had a birthday call out there she's celebrating tomorrow. Dear John Adam, thank you for your hard work every week even on holidays. As a former hospital nurse, I know what that's like. That's right, we are just like nurses. And we are nursing your amygdala. I've been a sustaining producer since changing my contribution from public radio to your show at John's Urging.

Starting point is 02:56:17 There it is, it works. I could go on and on like telling you about my recent persimmon recipe adventures, but I'll keep it brief instead. Today I'm claiming my Damehood to celebrate my 54th birthday on Monday. I would like to be known as Dame Nikki Ray of Prosperity Park. And can I get an order of batter fried Wisconsin cheese curds at the round table? Wow.

Starting point is 02:56:42 That is, that's quite the order there. I've not heard of that. That's, that's quite the order there. I've not heard of that. That's, that's a new one for the roundtable. Uh, out of the, uh, and go pack go as they play on my birthday, Monday night. Thank you very much. Well, you bet. And she's in Tualatin, Tualatin, she's in Oregon. She's in Oregon is where she is.

Starting point is 02:57:00 Well, why don't you get ready to hop up on the roundtable here as we get a blade for our dames and nights It's been a hot minute since we've had some nightings and dames John. Yeah, I got it right here Dead left and Rick. Oh all of you have reached the no agenda night or dame status $1,000 or more to the best podcast in the universe. I'm very proud to pronounce Kate V as Dame Nikki Ray of Prosperity Park, Dame Steph of the Dark Slide, Sir Singy, Protector of the Moonies and Knight of the Coonsaw River. For you, we've got Hookers and Blow, Rent Boys and Chardonnay, Coffley Ice Cream, Twizzlers,

Starting point is 02:57:41 Potato Chips, Chips and Guacamole, Jack and Coke, batter-fried Wisconsin cheese curds, and of course we've got Vodka vanilla, Bong hits and bourbon, sparkling cider, Esports, ginger ale, gerbil, breast milk, and pabliment as always the mutton and the me. Congratulations everybody, it's good to have you here on the podium. Go to noagenderrings.com, take a look at those handsome rings, they're signet rings, that means that you can hit someone in the mouth with it. It will leave a mark or just use the wax that we will include with your shipment and you can use that for your port and correspondence. Put your seal of approval in there along

Starting point is 02:58:15 as always with a certificate of authenticity and welcome to the round table our brand new Knights and Dames. No agenda meetups! It's not your family! It's a, uh, got a short list, very short list today, but we do have two meetup reports to make up for the time. Here's the indie December meetup report. Hello, this is Dame Maria. And this is Sir Mark.

Starting point is 02:58:42 Certainly glad to have all of the Noah Genna family here to our house and we say Merry Christmas to all. And happy new year. In the morning John and Adam, Sir PBR Street Gang enjoying mutton and mead at Mark and Maria's this holiday season. Dame Trinity saying Merry Christmas to the Noah Genna Nation. Hey guys it's Diane in Annapolis. Another fabulous evening with Mark and Maria. Gosh, I wish you guys were here. Sir Benny here and it's like a party. Dame Swanny, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. Nada from Indianapolis.

Starting point is 02:59:14 After two years and much money later, mom, you are now a dame. Hey! Hey, this is Emily, the Shufflecrack Spook. I'm on the spot and I'm missing a net because she came yesterday on the wrong day. Sir Bruce here just enjoying the camaraderie with everyone here in Indy. And Merry Christmas to all.

Starting point is 02:59:31 Gary here, interesting. Sir Ripa Maple leaves the country, and Syria goes to hell. What a coincidence. Sir Edward of Tappan Hall, Baron of Flyover Country, wishing Adam and John and the entire Global Noagenta family a very Merry Christmas. This is Nick from Indy. I brought some bits of ballin, I brought some Hockle Slack, and I'm ready to eat Maria's dog. We wish you a Merry Christmas, we wish you a Merry Christmas, we wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy End of Year!

Starting point is 03:00:07 They never disappoint those indie people. I think I should clip that little part at the end there for end of show. I wish I could do it right now, but I can do it on the next show for end of show. Hey, West Palm Beach threw axes and drank tequila! Woo! In the morning, John and Adam, this is Brian from the West Palm Beach axe throwing meetup where surprisingly everyone has their fingers and toes remated. And in fact, I was flashed by the axe master. In the morning, I'm an unexpected and unrealized axe master thrower.

Starting point is 03:00:37 I'm the grumpy green guy in the morning. This is 4-H Mama. They don't allow me around sharp objects. This is Paul. What do you call when a group of knife throwing new agenda producers have a successful meetup? An accident. Hey, this is Ronnie in the morning. It's Leslie in the morning. We drank and we threw things.

Starting point is 03:00:51 This is the Reiki Princess, so excited and grateful for another amazing Florida meetup. We threw axes and knives and even some shovels because one of our nights flirted with our smoking hot 25 year old axe master, or axe mistress mistress who ended up flashing him and giving us all the special treatment. We also had some need you never know what will happen at these meetups it's like a party. Happy

Starting point is 03:01:12 holidays everyone! All right West Palm Beach thank you very much good good editing good reports there always appreciate it. There is a meetup taking place today it is in Los Banos California so it is just it's getting underway soon it'll be at 330 p.m. that is the resist we much meetup me and Ed's pizza in Los Banos California so make sure you catch that we do have meetups throughout the rest of the year Bedford Texas on the 28th, Fort Wayne, Indiana, Eagan, Minnesota on the 30th,

Starting point is 03:01:47 and then after the new year, we have Raleigh, North Carolina, Colorado Springs, Ronard Park, California, Baton Rouge, Louisiana. It keeps on going. Go to noagenda.meetups.com, do yourself a huge favor. Find yourself one of these meetups. You need the buzz that you get from being with real people you know that little that little hit you get that little just ah yes I like being with human beings not something on social media go to no

Starting point is 03:02:13 agenda meetups comm find a meetup near you if you can't fund one find one near you then just start one yourself it's easy no agenda meetups comm NoagendaMeetups.com Now, you're not going to tell me you don't have a single ISO, are you? I'm going to tell you that I don't have a single ISO. How can you not have an ISO knowing that I will not have time traveling to get ISOs? Well then I want you to use one of the ones from the last show, which I produced three good ones, and they were all usable, and you didn't use them. Let me see. Hold on a second. I'm hearing Tina's she's playing reels on Instagram. Let me see. I have... Yeah no no yeah. That one is that one of the ones we use? That's a good one. Yes. What was this? I think that thing is on the fritz. Didn't we use, we didn't use that one. That was a good one. I like ya know ya know ya. Ya know ya

Starting point is 03:03:31 know ya know ya. We'll use ya know ya know ya know ya. That's all good because it is time now for John's Tip of the Day. Greetings guys for you and me. just a chip with JCB And sometimes, at all Alright So, before we do the tip of the day, I'm gonna do a retrospective on another tip of the day Okay Because somebody sent me this very interesting note, which I think is somewhat scandalous Oh no, a scandal he says

Starting point is 03:04:01 This is from producer Fred And he writes in, I've been using the Libby app for several years now and noticed something interesting. The app tells you how many copies, digital copies of each book the library owns. I was frequently on long hold lines waiting to borrow a copy of audiobooks which I had, that had been checked out.

Starting point is 03:04:23 Popular titles, especially classical literature, may have only have one or two copies available. Alternatively, autobiographies and other books by leading political figures often have 200 or more copies on the quote unquote shelf with very, very few ever checked out. Is it possible that our public libraries are subsidizing select people by funneling public funds through the overpurchasing of excess digital copies of audio books? Nobody wants to read.

Starting point is 03:04:58 My local library branch had over 100 digital copies of Stacey Abrams books, The Library branch had over 100 digital copies of Stacey Abrams books. 500 copies of Michelle Obama's book. For example, only two to three ever checked out. This is a scam. Tell me about it. A scandalous scam, no less. So this is how they do it. I think that's super interesting. Yeah, because these guys get these huge advances and so somebody's in on this.

Starting point is 03:05:30 This is like a wink-wink nudge and they're like, okay, you can buy 500 copies of Michelle's book. Mm-hmm. Well, we're not going to sell or even check out that many. Just do it. Make sure you get the government funding in here. Wow. Wow. This is the, just do it. Make sure you get the government funding in here. Wow, wow.

Starting point is 03:05:45 This is a scam. This is an outrageous scam. All right, tip of the day. Tip of the day. This is a spice that people should all get a hold of. I noticed I did these spices, I used baddiest spice ones before, but this is even a more generalized product

Starting point is 03:06:04 that you can use on everything. Now I've always been a big fan of spice blenders because they can, they'll blend up stuff. They tell you, you know, these cooking shows that show you how to do it yourself. 90% of the time they're not tested enough and they're never perfect. I was one noticing this recently on a show where they were showing the America's Test kitchen. And they were making up spices that you could beat easily with Tony C, which is kind of a tip. Okay. Adobe, Adobe from Goya and get the big giant thing of it.

Starting point is 03:06:38 Adobe seasoning, Adobe seasonings, a Mexican seasoning that, that Goya out big Trump supporter, by the way, Goya makes. And the one you want is the plain one with nothing added to it, or the one con peppers, got pepper in it. Those are the two. If you go to the Goya website, the Adobo page, it'll show you all kinds of screwy ones.

Starting point is 03:07:03 I have never seen, I shop in giant, which is another thing I recommend, shopping in giant Mexican mercados. These are massive supermarkets that they're in all around the country. We have four or five in the Bay Area. And they have all these spices and they have the Goya adobo,

Starting point is 03:07:21 but they don't have all these screwball ones that they have on the website. Don't get any of those. Get theoya adobo, but they don't have all these screwball ones that they have on the website. Don't get any of those. Get the plain adobo and you put it on steaks, you can put it on chicken, you can put it in your salad, you can put it anywhere. This stuff is amazing and here's the kicker. Unlike a lot of these spice blends, there's absolutely not a trace of anything that relates

Starting point is 03:07:41 to wheat. Thus, Mimi and other people that have actual wheat allergies can use this spice and you can use as much as you want. I think that is not just a great tip, it is a great tip for people with wheat issues. Exactly. Are you looking for good advice? Perhaps something practical or something you really need? Try the new agenda tip of the day.

Starting point is 03:08:10 Professional quality tips from the best podcast in the universe. Created by Dana Bernetti, everybody. That's right. And that concludes our broadcast partially from the home of Michelangelo. No, not Michelangelo, DaVinci. Yeah, DaVinci's hometown. That's what I meant to say. And let me see.

Starting point is 03:08:32 We've got end of show mixes coming up here from Jeff Crocker, who's been doing a bang up job and Sir Joe Ho, who I'm not sure if he sang this or if he got this one from some some Suno AI outfit but it's pretty good I must say I like the lyrics and it's fun to listen to it's a toe-tapper and coming up next on the no agenda stream trollroom.io and of course your modern podcast apps we've got grumpy old Benz with a Christmas miracle. Ah, who doesn't love it? Coming to you from Florence in Italy.

Starting point is 03:09:11 And of course I will be here and I'll be in Amsterdam for the next show before we head home. In the morning everybody, I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley where it's drying out. I'm John C. Dvorak. Remember us at noagendaDonations.com. We'll see you on Thursday. Until then, adios, mofos, a hooey hooey, and such.

Starting point is 03:09:35 Oh, oh. Upon review of available imagery, it appears that many of the reported sightings are actually manned aircraft that are being operated non-stop. This is over my house right now. The drone can't go that high, bro. And important, there are no recorded or confirmed drone sightings in any restricted airspace. I'm getting multiple calls for a show. I have about five detectives on the way.

Starting point is 03:10:15 That's it. We certainly take seriously the threat that can be posed by unmanned aircraft systems. And still, no one knows who launched them. The reported sightings there do, however, highlight a gap in authorities. And so we urge Congress to pass important legislation that will extend and expand existing counter-drill authorities so that we are better prepared to identify

Starting point is 03:10:39 and mitigate any potential threats to airports or other critical infrastructure. And so that state and local authorities are provided all the tools that they need to respond to such threats as well. In Silicon Valley where the tech bros play,'s deckin' the halls in a digital way Meme has got the lights, they're blinkin' and sync With algorithms buzzin', no time to blink Down in Texas it's a whole different scene

Starting point is 03:11:23 Tina's roasting brisket where the air is clean Adam's got the tunes spinning, vinyl so loud Fredericksburg's rocking, they're drawing a crowd It's a no agenda Christmas, crank it up tonight From region 9 to region 6 we're feeling alright The Podfather and the Buzzkiller bringing the cheer With a rockin' no agenda to close out the year John's got his wine, a vintage so fine

Starting point is 03:11:55 Riffin' on the news, conspiracies aligned Adam's in the groove with a jingle or two Calling out the grifters, yeah, you know who! The jingles are blaring, the trolls hit the floor Gitmo nations rocking like never before We toast the producers, the knights and the dames No agendas, the podcast breaking all the chains! No agenda, Christmas crank it up tonight

Starting point is 03:12:20 From region 9 to region 6 we're feeling alright The pod father and the Buzzkiller bringing the cheer With a rockin' no agenda to close in the universe! Adios, mofo. Dvorak.org slash NA. Yeah, no, no yeah.

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