No Agenda - 1731 - "Cyber Timebombs"

Starting point is 00:00:00 Muck Tales. In the morning everybody, I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley, we're all discovering somehow, somehow that things are cheap in China. I'm John C. Dvorak. It's Crackpot and Buzzkill. In the morning. Yeah, things are very cheap in China. Very, very cheap in China. Have you seen, noticed the charm offensive?

Starting point is 00:00:41 Oh, I've seen, I have a lot to see and to talk about, but what charm offensive are you talking about? The Chinese. Oh, things. So I didn't get any clips on this, but it's become a big deal, because I've seen a number of them. I just haven't collected them.

Starting point is 00:00:58 Of all these usually young TikTokers who they're not on TikTok anymore, so they went to this Red Book thing. book thing, which is right out of China. Red Note and they're. Yeah, well, red. Yeah, whatever it is, this Chinese. And they're going on and on about, oh, you know, things are so cheap in China and they're so I'm thinking that, oh, brother, you know.

Starting point is 00:01:20 So I got a note this morning from Catherine, our unreconstructed hippie woman that lives in Thailand. Wait a minute, unreconstructed? Yeah, I think she's still a hippie. Oh, okay. Yeah, she's the one with the helipad, isn't she? I don't know if she's got a helipad or not. She's a Bitcoin billionaire. Oh yeah, that's the one. Yeah. And she has the apartment, if you know Agenda List, you can stay there. That's right. Yeah, no, that's a the one. Yeah. She's and she has the apartment. If you, if you know agenda lists,

Starting point is 00:01:45 she has right there. No, that's a different one. Yes. She goes on and she's, Oh, I didn't realize a friend of mine just came back from Shanghai and everything's so modern there and it's cheap. So when I first went to China in the nineties, early nineties, yeah, it was cheap then too. It's cheap in China. Hello. And so, yeah, they have a maglev train from the airport. Why is it cheap in China? Why? Well, because nobody gets paid a lot of money, eh?

Starting point is 00:02:16 And? And it's controlled by the Chinese. It's cheap. And in China, everything's best price. Best price. So it's not new that things are cheap in China and they're very modern. And the key is, I don't know when that maglev train went. We don't even have them in this country. No, we can't even get a regular train from LA to San Francisco.

Starting point is 00:02:45 No, of course not. So they've got mag labs that do 300, 400 miles an hour. Yeah. Go live there. Go live there. It's great. Go live there. Good luck with the smog.

Starting point is 00:02:57 Before we get into anything, the topic of the day amongst many has got to be this weather. We begin with this morning's top story. Top story. Dangerously low life-threatening temperatures sweeping across the country. More than 100 million people from the plains to the northeast are under winter weather alerts. Hotest year on record. Even the deep south won't escape the deep freeze.

Starting point is 00:03:20 Several cities have already declared weather emergencies as the back-to-back winter storms bring heavy winds and snow. 25 degrees this morning in the Hill Country. Yeah, it's cold there. I understand it's going to snow. I don't know. There's no snow predicted. If it is, that'll be fun. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. I've been to Texas once when it was snowing. Remember, I... And nobody knows what the hell's going on. Remember, I got that generator for a reason

Starting point is 00:03:49 to ensure that I never need it ever. Yeah, 25 degrees is a bit chilly there. Yeah, and wind, wind. Oh, that wind. Yeah, we got a wind, we got a wind. I wanna do China and TikTok, but I have a lot to do. So let's get a couple other things out of the way. You can push off the, I got a lot of TikTok clips, mostly about the fact that Trump's not going to be inaugurated tomorrow. Well, let's start with the inauguration itself and then we'll get into that. Because I actually, I learned quite a lot by

Starting point is 00:04:25 into that because I actually I learned quite a lot by listening to the entire Supreme Court discussion which I do as a public service I might add. Where was it? Oh it's everywhere I mean they brought they stream the the whole conversation audio only no video that's why no one cares. I know I like that. Oh it great. This was actually very informative in a number of ways. And so before we get into that, let's talk about the big day tomorrow. Big day, big day, big day, Trump Day One. Day one for the new Trump administration. What more are you learning about his first moves and this immigration crackdown?

Starting point is 00:05:03 Or are you learning about his first moves and this immigration crackdown? Yeah, crackdown. The president came to town with a whole bunch of executive orders ready to be signed. This will be a very busy first day for the president. Certainly border security and deportations are at the top of his list. He campaigned on those issues. Those will be among the executive orders he signs. And yes, his borders are Tom Homan says that they are looking at preparing to do raids and deportations almost immediately after Trump takes office.

Starting point is 00:05:34 And your focus, the focus is important to say he says they will focus immediately on those who are in the United States illegally and have committed crimes. He's going to sign him in the limo. That was what is that ABC and that was Jonathan Karl? Yeah. Yeah. He hates Trump. Well, you know, this morning I saw J Sixer Jenny at church and she had her American flag jacket, American flag pants. J Six Jenny?

Starting point is 00:06:02 Yeah. Remember she hosted the meetup here in Fredericksburg? I love that nickname. J6 or Jenny. Yeah, oh yeah. She's fantastic. J6 or Jenny. J6 or Jenny. She's part of our club, man. Yeah, I'll bet. And she's all excited.

Starting point is 00:06:20 She's, I'm going to be celebrating my, tomorrow, she gets her, um, uh, pardon. She'll be celebrating pardon day. I sure hope he does it. Oh, he's going to do it. He's he, but he promised he would do it. And yeah, he has the, remember the tiny desk. He's got the tiny desk right next to him. If the tiny desk shows up, that'd be great. Ready to go on the tiny desk. And, uh, now things have changed and we'll get into the immigration stuff a bit later on,

Starting point is 00:06:48 but things have changed due to the hottest year on record. Good evening. And we begin tonight here with the breaking news involving President-elect Trump's inauguration. The carefully orchestrated plans for the inauguration now shifting tonight. Shifting. Just three days before he takes the oath of office. Dangerously cold weather forcing the ceremony indoors. This is the first time since Ronald Reagan in 1985.

Starting point is 00:07:09 The forecast calling for potentially the coldest inauguration day in 40 years. 23 degrees, the wind chill making it feel like seven degrees for much of the day. Flag seats in the staging area, of course, had been already set up for Monday's ceremony. Crews have been working around the clock on this for months. Thank you, Cruz. They are now racing to prepare the Capitol Rotunda for what will be a much smaller event, but a warmer one.

Starting point is 00:07:31 So what does this mean for the vast majority of ticketed guests? President-elect Trump saying, quote, tonight, this will be a very beautiful experience for all, and especially for the large TV audience. It's gonna be beautiful. It's gonna be the best ever, smallest crowd ever, the smallest ever in history. Monday's forecast high for Washington is 23 degrees. Tonight, a rush to reimagine the day's festivities.

Starting point is 00:07:55 While the massive outdoor platform could seat more than a thousand, the Rotunda will only be able to hold several hundred guests. Tonight, the Joint Congressional Inaugural Committee acknowledging the vast majority of ticketed guests will not be able to attend the ceremonies in person. Among those who will be allowed in, people with tickets for the presidential platform and members of Congress. Another major change, there will no longer be an inaugural parade down Pennsylvania Avenue.

Starting point is 00:08:22 Instead, after his swearing in, Trump will travel to the nearby Capital One arena to hold a celebration event there. This will be a very beautiful experience for all promises the president elect. Everyone will be safe. Everyone will be happy. It will be very beautiful. I love that he's, of course, it's going to be a great television production. Perfect. You can never really produce a great television production on the steps there. You know what I mean? No, it sucks. It's chaos. And you got to have that big shield up and everything, the bulletproof stuff and

Starting point is 00:08:53 everyone's shivering. And now you can control the sounds, be much better for our country girl. What's her name? Who's singing the national anthem? Yeah. Courtney Cox. Yeah. Yeah. That one. No, what's her name? What's her name now? What's her name? American Idol winner. Yeah, what's her name? She's so famous that we can't remember her name. No, that's low-T, John. That's just low-T. Carrie Underwood. There we go. Thank you, TrollT. Carrie Underwood. There we go. Thank you, Trolls. Carrie Underwood.

Starting point is 00:09:27 Of course, we have some very important guests. Really, it's stunning. Who will have? President-elect Trump revealed today that he spoke with China's President Xi Jinping on the phone today, discussing not just TikTok, but also trade and fentanyl and other topics. CBS News chief foreign affairs correspondent and moderator of Face theface nation Margaret Brennan is here and Margaret Donald Trump invited the communist leader to come to inauguration but is he coming? He's not but Xi Jinping is sending a special representative in his place, his vice

Starting point is 00:09:56 president, also a high-ranking Chinese Communist Party official. It's highly unusual not just because of protocol but also because of the moment of time we are in. Yeah, moment of time. It's highly unusual because it's never been done before. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, have identified the hackers who not just breached the US Treasury but burrowed into nine different... Burrowed! King Wong is one of them. They burrowed John. Wee Too Low is another guy. They burrowed in. But burrowed into nine different US telecom companies to siphon up American...

Starting point is 00:10:37 Burrowed in? Well wait, there's a reason she's saying that. But burrowed into nine different US telecom companies to siphon up American phone call data. So they burrowed in to siphon up. And we know that Trump's own national security advisor, Mike Wallace, has said they planted cyber time bombs in US infrastructure. What? What is the cyber time bomb? It's ticking. It's ticking. It's tick tock ticking cyber time bomb It's just waiting to go off and to blow up our phones. Cyber time bomb Wallace has said they planted cyber time bombs in US infrastructure. This is the Chinese These could be used in the event of future conflict and the US can't get them out. We can't get them out

Starting point is 00:11:24 We suck. It's in. Wait a minute. What does she say? What do you mean you can't get them out? The cyber time bombs, we can't get them out. Well, there it is. It's right there.

Starting point is 00:11:37 We can't get it out. Because we're no good. If you know it's there, you can get it out. She's full of shit, this woman. Because we don't know what wire to cut the blue one or the yellow one it's very very scary china yes they've burrowed in they're siphoning it off and they planted cyber time bombs but wait there's more we got nazis there's also some other foreign leaders that have been invited attending that are raising eyebrows, right? There are, Nora. In fact, a European diplomat said-

Starting point is 00:12:06 Are you raising eyebrows? Are your eyebrows raised at this minute? Oh, my eyebrows have just gone through the roof. There's also some other foreign leaders that have been invited attending that are raising eyebrows, right? There are, Nora. In fact, a European diplomat said to me just yesterday, it's pretty disconcerting that two leaders of a German far-right anti-immigrant

Starting point is 00:12:26 group known as the AFD are attending. Their leaders espoused Nazi propaganda slogans. They've been condemned by their own government, but they will be attending the inauguration. Margaret Brennan, thank you so much. Thank you so much. Yes. They're talking about that AFD woman. She's the one and she's been on TV. She's the,

Starting point is 00:12:48 she's the liberal lesbian, the libertarian lesbian. Libertarian conservative is what she calls herself. And she says, this bull crap, they keep calling him far right and all the rest of it. Yeah. Just to besmirch them. And it's just a propaganda trick and these, and CBS is all in on it, I guess. Coming in this broadcasting system. Hello. Might as well start early. Get in on the ground. So hopefully everything will go well tomorrow. We want everyone to be safe.

Starting point is 00:13:17 Well, now we should discuss the rumors of why they're moving it inside because of the security threat. Yes, because Alex Jones had a prophet on. And the prophet, he saw it was an attack, multiple cities. It was thousands of ISIS fighters. And by the way, this is the guy who predicted that Trump would be shot in the ear. Yes, I know. I followed this too. year. Yes, I know. I followed this too. So silly. Well, the more credible, I think, bullcrap was the incredible bullcrap. That's actually a good show title too. Incredible bullcrap, yes. Incredible

Starting point is 00:13:56 bullcrap is the fact that, and this all occurs, people like to tie this stuff together and goes like this. Well, you know, since they took the blocking off the DJI drones so they can now fly in a restricted area, they're going to have a couple of those big, you know, some of these DJI drones are the size of a Cadillac. Six feet in diameter. They're huge. They're huge.

Starting point is 00:14:22 And they're going to drive a couple of those babies into the podium. They're not going And they're going to drive a couple of those babies into the podium. They're not going to do bulletproof glass or not. They're going to take these two drones because they can now go into these areas where there's restricted flight restrictions. And they're going to slam into the whole process and just by sheer brute force and maybe a bomb blow up the whole whole inauguration ceremony. Wow. So just move it inside.

Starting point is 00:14:47 Wow. That was the best one. I thought that was the most and that was kind of believable. Yeah. Well, again, let's hope everybody stays safe. Everybody stay safe. Stay safe, everybody. Yeah. I like the Alex Jones guy. I mean, it was, it was so outrageous. I didn't even clip it. I'm like, I didn't clip it either. I really didn't. It's like, ah, um, actually I have a few more here.

Starting point is 00:15:19 Um, because in attendance will also be many of Trump's appointees. And ABC went through some of those. Should we play those? I guess, sure, okay. On Capitol Hill, President-elect Trump's pick to oversee America's economy, billionaire Scott Besson.

Starting point is 00:15:39 Pressed by senators about the President-elect's plan to boost the economy- Boost! With tax cuts, tariffs, and what the nominee said today about sanctions on Russia amid the war with Ukraine. Rachel Scott on the Hill tonight.

Starting point is 00:15:50 Hit it, Rachel. Tonight, the man President-elect Donald Trump has chosen to guide the American economy and tackle inflation, taking center stage on Capitol Hill. Treasury Secretary nominee Scott Bessent, a billionaire investor and hedge fund manager. Today, I believe that President Trump has a generational opportunity to unleash a new economic golden age that will create more jobs, wealth and prosperity. Golden age. For all Americans. Republican senators asking Besson to outline the stakes of Congress fails to

Starting point is 00:16:23 achieve one of Trump's top priorities, extending his signature 2017 tax cuts. If we do not renew and extend, then we will be facing an economic calamity. Democrats pushing back, insisting the Trump tax cuts have only benefited the rich. Now these wealthy people have more money than they know what to do with. And it is certainly not doing anything to lower prices for working families. I believe that President Trump, and if confirmed myself, are committed to addressing this affordability crisis. And part of the affordability crisis stems from this great inflation that we've had.

Starting point is 00:17:03 No, well, and there's trouble ahead, according to old Lady Yeller. There's US Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen warned Friday that the government will reach its debt limit on Tuesday and will need to take extraordinary measures to avoid risking a potentially catastrophic default. The issue will, of course, now fall to Yellen's expected successor, Trump Treasury pick Scott Besant, who is still going through the Senate confirmation process. Besant said in his confirmation hearing Thursday that if president-elect Trump wants to eliminate the debt ceiling altogether, he will work with Congress to make that happen.

Starting point is 00:17:36 Yeah, we got to print some money, baby. I like the idea that we get a Republican in and the first thing was, hell with the debt ceiling. Remove it. Let's just get rid of it. It's practical, but at the same time it's like, okay, well, there goes the balanced budget. Oh, no, no, no. Wait, he has strategies.

Starting point is 00:17:59 Supposedly, the whole Bitcoin community is all sithering supposedly on the little tiny desk next to the J6 or Jenny pardon Will also be a crypto bill that will send Bitcoin skyrocketing and that of course will save us Because yeah because of this that's like this this is basically the newest version of the trillion dollar coin. Yes, exactly. Because of the Bitcoin strategic reserve and the stable coin on top. Trump is a meta guy. I think he has a plan. We'll see. We'll see.

Starting point is 00:18:43 We can go as long as the economy collapses, we'll know what didn't work. Also facing questions today, Trump's picks for two key environmental rules for Secretary of the Interior, former North Dakota Governor Doug Burgum, and for EPA Administrator, former New York Congressman Lee Zeldin. Democrats pressing both nominees about Trump's pledge to roll back environmental regulations. You agree with President-elect Trump that climate change is a hoax? I believe that climate change is real, as I told you. As far as President Trump goes, the context that I've heard him speak about it was with

Starting point is 00:19:18 a criticism of policies that have been acted because of climate change and I think that he's concerned about the economic of some policies where there's a debate. Republicans insist these nominees strike a balance between protecting the environment and the economy. Congressman Zeldin will correct the course of the EPA. Yes he will. And then you know these guys this is kind of bothersome, but it's the same time, what are you going to do? It's like, Zeldin is totally on board. Zeldin has also been on Fox a lot.

Starting point is 00:19:52 So he's like another Fox guy that they're putting in these positions. And Zeldin is totally on board with the, with the hoax idea, but he can't say it. He can't say it. And so we're still at the point where you can't say it. He can't say it. And so we're still at the point where you can't say what you think. So this is not good. Not yet. Not yet.

Starting point is 00:20:13 Everyone's, they got to be careful because they're still in the confirmation process. We can't make everybody angry. That's not how you're going to do it. When we're confirmed, then we can go all crazy. And then of course we have our oligarchy tonight or tomorrow who will be at the inauguration. The oligarchy. Turning to the inauguration just 24 hours after President Biden warned of an oligarchy taking shape in America of what he called a tech industrial complex.

Starting point is 00:20:41 Tonight, we have learned a growing list of tech CEOs plan to attend president elect Donald Trump's inauguration on Monday. That list includes Apple's Tim Cook, SpaceX and Tesla's Elon Musk, Amazon's Jeff Bezos, Meta's Mark Zuckerberg, Google's Sundar Pichai and TikTok CEO, Sho Chu. All of them, David, will have prominent seats for Donald Trump swearing in David. Now, okay, how about a prop bet? Little prop bet, prop bet, prop bet. Okay, what's the prop bet? Will Jason Calacanis be at the inauguration?

Starting point is 00:21:12 Oh, just no chance. Jay Cal, you got tickets? He's the kind of guy that would actually get in, sitting behind Elon. He could find a way. But I think he really hates Trump, honestly. I don't think he likes Trump. He's a little wishy washy on it. Well, he's reluctantly...

Starting point is 00:21:36 I did watch his podcast of late. When he'd been... they brought in that one guy. I forgot his name already. Oh, that guy. Carrie Underwood. Carrie Underwood. Carrie Underwood. So you could just tell. And Kelly Candice is losing his hair in some very peculiar way.

Starting point is 00:21:54 Well, that's just, that sucks. I mean, let's not make fun of it. No, I'm not making fun of him. I'm just wondering. I mean, that's not male pattern baldness. It's like, it's like a sweep. It's going from the front to, it's just going, it mean that's not male pattern baldness. It's like a sweep. It's going from the front. It's just going, it's going to be totally bald.

Starting point is 00:22:09 Well, it's going to be a strange hairline. I've never seen anything quite like it. You know what that is? Low-T. Low-T. I would say the oddest bit of clippage that came my way in the past few days was the Bill Gates clip. I'm surprised Bill Gates isn't going to be able to pull up there with him. Well, he doesn't need to because he had a three-hour dinner with President Trump. Well, a lot of people have had three-hour dinners with Trump recently.

Starting point is 00:22:42 Yeah, but Bill Gates got really excited about it. Listen to this. I saw this clip. I didn't think he was that excited, but OK. A lot of people got excited. All right, forget that. Let's do something else, because we have to discuss the algo chasers for a moment.

Starting point is 00:23:00 This is the number one most emailed clip I received. And I was happy to see that because there were a lot of different versions of it on on the on the socials I Was happy to see that the value Taman crew Picked it up and did exactly what you'd expect them to do. This is algo chaser heaven everybody the current national security advisor. Security advisor. Here's a video.

Starting point is 00:23:28 Jake Sullivan. Before we got started. Jake Sullivan. And I think Vinny, you asked me the question before you played it and I didn't know where you were going with it. It says, I want you to watch this and tell me if there's something weird about the delivery of what he says in this. So just watch it.

Starting point is 00:23:44 That's what you said to me and I'm like, what are you saying Vinny? In about 10 seconds into it, you're going to say, why did you say that? You didn't have to say that. What's your point of saying that? Are you insinuating something? Are you suggesting something? Just watch this here. Go for it Rob.

Starting point is 00:23:59 Go Rob. I just will say one last word, which is, I hope this is my last time at this podium, at least for a little while. I don't mean that in a negative sense. I mean, the only thing that would bring me back is an unexpected event in the next few days, which as you all know is totally possible. Why would you say that? Given what you've seen over the course of the past years.

Starting point is 00:24:18 But if it is, in fact, my last time before you, I just want to say thank you for what you guys do every day. Thank you for putting up with me. Why the national security adviser fully possible say farewell? But go hey listen you might hear from me again if something happens And I would think since you're we're you're the national security adviser you have the FBI We have all these apparatus. You should say nothing is gonna happen because we're secure He says because it could quite possibly almost he's almost as if he's letting us know something is going to happen and you are going to hear from him. I told you so it's not my fault. We're all going to die. You know, but let me help you boys

Starting point is 00:24:55 out there to PBD value-tainment. The guy has been talking for weeks about one topic and one topic only, and that's the Gaza peace deal. That's what he's referring to. Like the deal might fall apart, something might happen, but it's not as you stooped, because that's what everyone emailed me. Oh, oh, oh, he's signaling something's going to happen. I got the same thing. I didn't get a clip.

Starting point is 00:25:25 I didn't take the clip because I thought the whole thing was so dumb, but I'm glad you did. Well, this is why people come to the No Agenda show. They're like, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. That's better. It's nothing. And even if something did happen, he wouldn't be back. All these podcasts, and that's just one of many. I think Bannon is the worst, to be honest

Starting point is 00:25:54 about it. It is entertaining, you have to admit. Hey, as Q says- And it's free because you pay't pay is value taming, value taining. Remember John, as Q says, nothing can stop what's coming. Trust the plan. So it's like, okay. Yeah. All these guys, they all do this. They just all pair on fire is terrible. Algo chasers, algo chasers. Yeah. I think it's a good term.

Starting point is 00:26:25 Yeah. But I don't think, see the problem with the term that, why I don't use it, is that you're actually assuming they're overtly doing it. No, no, that's just who they are. That they can't help themselves. But they have to do an emergency pod, you see, we're going live. We've got value attainment life. I'm never going to get on the show, by the way. They're never ever going to invite me. No, they might if you keep harping on it.

Starting point is 00:26:57 Emergency pod. Something's going to happen. I mean, Alex Jones is the best now. Emergency pod. Thousands of ISIS everywhere Madison Square Garden Statue of Liberty It's happening. It's going down Nothing can stop what's coming

Starting point is 00:27:15 Yeah, I Mean I used to be a bit like that before there were even algos to chase But I've learned after you were never that bad. But after 17 years it's like no, no, this is the problem. This is why we have only four more years because it's just going to be Walter and Stedler. You know you and me just going, uh, uh, uh. Did you say Walter and Stedler? Yeah, what are their names? What are their names? It's Waldorf and Stadler, I believe. I think Walter and Stedler is much better.

Starting point is 00:27:51 Walter and Stedler. We need t-shirts that say Walter. Hello, No Agenda Shop. Walter and Stedler is our new nicknames. So last night, actually yesterday, I had a lot of time. Tina was at a conference in Dallas. She's driving back today. Hopefully she's listening, drive safe, baby.

Starting point is 00:28:13 And so I had a lot of time. That's why I went through the whole Supreme Court hearing. I learned a lot. It was very educational and I'm going to share some of that. But I also thought to myself, I'm going to get me of that. But I also thought to myself, self, um, I'm going to get me that Tik TOK app. Let's see what happens. I need to see what happens when this thing goes into effect on Monday. So it got me the Tik TOK app, which interestingly,

Starting point is 00:28:39 you mean, what do you mean the Tik TOK or the Tik TOK app? It went into effect last night. I know I'm getting there. I'm telling my story. I'm ramping up. You're talking about your phone, the phone app? Yeah, of course. You don't have it? No, I never had that.

Starting point is 00:28:53 Why would I want that? Interesting. No, because because they spy on you, John. They're worse than any app ever. So I'm like, OK, So I loaded on my flip phone. It actually loaded on to that phone? The install took a while. I tried to load it on my StarTac and it didn't load. StarTac. Half the audience goes what? Yeah, but the other half thinks we're hilarious. Okay, that's the good news. So it loads and I start, right away it gives me Denzel Washington preaching.

Starting point is 00:29:33 I'm like, okay, follow heart. And then this thing just, oh yeah, it's great. So it immediately... Wait a minute, immediately it caught on to the fact that you're like a born-again? I guess so. I mean, that was're like a born-again. I guess so I mean that was the first thing that popped up. I'm like, okay follow heart That means there has to be something on your phone that it Accessed and said well look at this. It might have just interesting. It might have just been a lucky guess Texas Hill Country

Starting point is 00:29:58 Texas Hill Country Gillespie County sure I get it. We got 35 churches here. Yeah. no, I think it was a lucky location guess. Yeah, good work. And it's like, even if you're not into the message, it's Denzel. You're like, oh, it's Denzel. Interesting. And so now I'm getting black preachers left and right. Like, doing the- They figure you're black. Totally. Adam Curry, are you kidding me? Curry? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:30:28 Curry is a very black name. And this is entertaining. I'm loving them. These preachers, man, they're wild. They're on fire. These black guys. Oh, these guys are good. And doing the fall, you know, like falling backwards and guys are catching them and it's fantastic. Then I get nothing else except once in a while I get, someone showing up with, surprise, a cheap product from China. I just slip by, I checked out the shop, and then in the evening-

Starting point is 00:30:55 I just read you as a shop. That's what I'm missing out on. Well, we're gonna- Because I don't have the app. We're gonna get to that. And it's right there at the top of the menu, shop. And so before I went to bed last night, I'm like, let me just get me some, give me some Jesus.

Starting point is 00:31:12 I'm going to go on the TikTok app. Boom, no go. Taken down. Oh, you were there when it went down. Yeah. And this was 10, 15, so somewhere around that time. It went out early. It went out early and I was like, wow! And so now I gotta go get my other screen. I gotta get the the Graphene OS. I gotta look at YouTube and see whatever. I knew that there would be lots of sadness and crying and I need to share a few of them.

Starting point is 00:31:45 Oh, by the way, most of these have f-bombs in them just for your kids if you care. Oh yeah, not safe for work. Well, it's not safe. If you care about it, it doesn't matter. I gotta keep it real. I am crashing the fuck out right now. I don't know what to do. Oh my God.

Starting point is 00:32:00 I've already opened and closed the app probably six times already just to keep getting the same stupid warning message. My God, this just feel, I can't, this is so dystopian. First of all, I feel pathetic that I am freaking out like this over an application being unavailable on my phone. But also, this has been a massive part of our lives for the last six years. And normally when something happens, I would get on TikTok and start complaining and I can't even do that. I feel like disconnected. I feel cut off from the world and my community. This is crazy. This is fucking crazy. God and I can't like now I'm rooting for Trump. Ew! Go out and make America fucking great again, I guess. God.

Starting point is 00:32:47 So like now I see where you get the theme for today's show. Ew! What do you mean? Low T. Now, there was a lot of consistency in these clips. My community and since the pandemic, this is when everyone got hooked on this thing, and my little business, my little business, this was very consistent.

Starting point is 00:33:15 I'm so sad that TikTok might go away. It changed my life. My long home build is on here. How I taught everyone to grow mushrooms. How I showed everyone how to parasite cleanse. Started my business. It saved my life and I just really appreciate all of you as my community when I didn't have one, when I had nowhere to turn, when I couldn't get any help from my own doctors, I literally turned to TikTok and my community. I did not wanna make this video

Starting point is 00:33:55 and I did not wanna believe this is happening, but we're so close to January 19th that if I don't make this video, I will be very sad. Thank you. that if I don't make this video, I won't be very sad. Thank you. And you know, it's obviously we're laughing because of the severe narcissism that these people need to share all of their lives and their feelings

Starting point is 00:34:15 and their problems, but you cannot, you just can't deny that they've gotten something, some redeeming quality out of this app. And many of them would realize like, I can't believe I'm crying over an app, but I am because of my community and you guys and my friends, but they're also all of their customers. And this is the last one I have. This girl, young woman, is one of those eyelash flappers. Her eyelashes are bigger than Pam Bondages at the hearing. And she's sad.

Starting point is 00:34:50 She raps it all. In fact, I even saw her on a couple of M5M reports. And to the US government, I'm never forgiving you for this. And I'm never going to trust you ever again because you just like that took away millions of people's income and livelihood and who does that so I'm never trusting you ever again with anything. I'm so dumb coming on the internet and crying about an app but the fact is that this has been a sense of community for me for years now and it got me

Starting point is 00:35:19 through really really hard times in my life. The pandemic, losing my job, all of that, getting divorced, like all of this crap that's happened to me in the last five years since I've been on here. Hours and hours and hours of time I put into creating stuff for this platform. And I'm not the biggest creator on here. Like, I'm not like, I don't have three million followers

Starting point is 00:35:43 or 10 million followers, but I am. I do do have a platform it's the biggest platform I have and I worked really really hard to make it on top of that it's been a source of income for me for going on three years now first it was just a little bit but then it got to be more I'm not like rich off of it but it has significantly helped my income every month hi Haluumi and it's been enough that like, I've been able to rely on it. So like on top of being just sad that I'm losing my creative outlet, my platform, I'm like worried about like what I'm going to do financially. Okay. So, and, and we can all laugh about it, but these people,

Starting point is 00:36:21 it's hard to laugh about it, but at the same, because it's so pathetic that you have a situation where this has evolved as a societal mechanism for people to even make money and accept it as such. So you can't really... I don't think you can laugh at it. I want to hug her. I want to hug her. Well, she needs more than a hug.

Starting point is 00:36:42 She needs some cash. Cash and a hug. She's like, well, now you can have this. Well, she needs more than a hug. She needs some cash. Cash and a hug. But it's just like, how did we get here? Oh, well, I think I can explain this. And the first thing, and I'll say it upfront, I think the US, even though TikTok, they came back online today, they came back online this morning because the, uh, uh, the,

Starting point is 00:37:07 the guy from Singapore said, Hey, you know, I would, president Trump has made us feel comfortable. He's going to give us a 90 day extension. We're turning it back on because they had literally turned it off. And I tried VPNs. Uh, the app clearly is, is showing them that I, that I downloaded this from the US. So even any other country I tried with a VPN, it would say, no, no good.

Starting point is 00:37:30 I tried browsers. I guess they threw a cookie on there. I tried. I mean, I could not get to it no matter what I tried. That came back. However, on the app store, on the Google Play Store, I don't have an iPhone. It says, looking for TikTok? Downloads for this app are paused due to current US legal requirements. And right above it was the featured app, Instagram. Just something to notice.

Starting point is 00:37:56 I personally feel the US- Cause I- That's a good one. I listened to, and I have clips of it, but I want to play some other things first. But I want to say that the Supreme Court has done a severe injustice to one of the main economic outputs of our country, which is the ability to create and use media to sell crap that nobody actually needs.

Starting point is 00:38:22 We are good at this. We're good at it in mainstream television. We guilt you into thinking that you're not gonna be popular or have sex or you're gonna die if you don't buy these products. This is what we do. And so that's what has happened is this is a new version of a great American tradition of being the sellers

Starting point is 00:38:43 and the buyers at the same time. We are the market for China. We're perfect for it and we sell it to each other. Sometimes we get really good and we make a song, you know, that everybody loves. That's one of our exports. See Taylor Swift, Beyonce, Justin Timberlake, whatever you want. But that is, that's our culture. This is what we do. And they didn't even consider that. And all of these, there's also people who make something, their own little thing, they make it home and they sell it on Etsy. This is the economy that is quite large. It's probably 15 to 20 billion dollars of GDP creation within the US just from TikTok alone.

Starting point is 00:39:29 Some people say it's about a billion dollars a month. And most of it is just this stuff from China. So I think they made a big mistake because what they didn't realize is this was all because our technology industry has been focused on advertising instead of the obvious opportunities. No one has the all-in-one solution. Google has rigged search, Amazon has horrible stores that gouge you if you're trying to sell something. Meta and Facebook, they have the small business ad market. They don't know how to work together. And this is the magic that TikTok grabbed. And this community thing and everybody loving the app is a byproduct of what it really is.

Starting point is 00:40:14 And I was surprised, nay, stunned that on the media. I like that. On the media. Oh, he was nay stunned. Okay. Nay stunned that on the media from NPR had the actual truth of what TikTok is. But of course, they didn't come up with it themselves. They had to bring in a blogger.

Starting point is 00:40:37 But I think the guy has it right. Tech journalist Ryan Broderick has been tracking the great TikTokker migration and what it tells us about the future of the internet for his newsletter, Garbage Day. Ryan, welcome to On the Media. Thank you for having me. Happy to be here. You recently wrote that quote, Americans still don't realize what TikTok is. And when you say Americans, you mean users, the people who use TikTok, but also politicians and the Supreme Court justices.

Starting point is 00:41:07 You say American lawmakers think that TikTok is a social platform. I mean, I know from spending time on TikTok that TikTok's users also think that it is a social platform. By the way, this Micah guy, what a douche. Just get to the guest and stop pontificating. Why is it not that? There are social elements to it, of course, but TikTok is the sister app of ByteDance's other app, which is called Douyin, which can only be used inside China. And Douyin, like most Chinese social networks, are primarily social shopping apps. They make their money from live streams

Starting point is 00:41:50 with influencers hawking products, which you can then buy directly through the app. TikTok, when it launched outside of China, was always a long play to bring social shopping to the rest of the world. And you can see this with the introduction of TikTok Shop, which happened, you know, a few years ago. All of the ways that the app surfaces content can be used for finding social content, but

Starting point is 00:42:14 they were built to sell you products. You know, you'll hear users say the algorithm feels different than Instagram or YouTube or whatever. And that's why. It's because it's literally built for something very different. And we in the US have never really acknowledged that or understood it or cared about that. We've kind of used it inadvertently for other things. But that's what TikTok is here for. It's a long play of trying to make Chinese style social shopping big in the West. And this is what we've been saying. We hadn't even really put it together to give it the name social shopping, but we knew that this is what was driving the so-called

Starting point is 00:42:51 influencers. Everybody on TikTok who has a platform has some kind of angle to sell you some product. If only just like the ham radio know, cheap crap. It's perfect. Just get us some cheap crap and we'll hang out with you. And it seems that the algorithm working, the exact opposite of US algorithms, which is get them in, get them in, get them a little mad, get them a little excited, show them an ad. Okay. Show them an ad. No, it's much more advanced. It's more, it's more along the lines. Uh,

Starting point is 00:43:27 because I, in fact, we do have a note from, we probably should play it or you should read it from our TikTok insider from bite dance. Um, there, it's more along the lines of something that was developed by Bill Ziff called special interest publishing. of something that was developed by Bill Ziff called special interest publishing. Ah, very good point. And so what, and I talked to Bill a lot about some of his theories because he had, he really brought it to a, he developed the, overtly developed these theories.

Starting point is 00:43:58 And one of them was, and I think this applies to this TikTok analysis, is that in a computer magazine, for example, nothing in the magazine should be outside the realm of computing. Bingo. So if General Motors came in and says, we want to run a whole series of ads for to sell Chevys, he would refuse the advertising. No. Yep. And which irked, by the way, irked the sales guys to no end because

Starting point is 00:44:26 they would bring it. They would bring it. Hey, look what we got. Do we got, you know, a cigarette guy wants to advertise. He's got a million dollar contract here. Nope. No. If it's got nothing to do with computers, it had, so in other words, the idea was in and Modern Bride was a good example of this. Another perfect example, yes. Is that every single ad, every single thing was about being a bride. It never took you out of that area. You were always in the mindset, and that created the buying impulse to buy from these advertisers. And that's maybe what's going on here.

Starting point is 00:45:03 I'm going to play the note. It's g-flat By dance alum here chiming in because I thought you were on track with the discussion They operate an AI recommendation system. It's more basic type of machine learning algos, but they've been training it for a decade at least By the way, that is the kicker right? Note that's right. They've been That is the kicker right there. That's the whole note. That's right. They've been training the AI algo for a decade. Good luck catching up. So it's ingested every news source in the world and now all these videos and data points. When I worked on the American version of their popular news app, 12 Chao in China, top buzz in the US. We had this complex back end system that would spit out the

Starting point is 00:45:43 news that would get the most clicks. Yes, a small US-based content team complemented by what might have been hordes of overseas Asian workers would roll through a selection of the content to filter out low-quality or illegal content, thus training the algo. We would also set breaking news items to the top. At the time, the TikTok team would decide on trends to promote in-app and each worker had a set of influencers they managed. These trends would be sent their way to produce content and create trends.

Starting point is 00:46:17 As you can imagine, brands would get involved, music industry would chime in, and they would start to predictably manufacture some categories to follow. I imagine they have such a broad data set and a big head start so just a bit better at it for sure. My guess on US concerns that TikTok is such a great data harvester that them having the lead can be spun as the threat as sophisticated data sets are said to be the lifeblood of future autonomous warfare. Well, yes, and we'll get to that. But that is exactly what's happening. And all the other stuff that, you know, when I go in and they guess based on my location, oh, okay, Curry, black guy,

Starting point is 00:46:55 Texas, give him some Denzel. Beautiful. Beautiful. And then of course, with my scroll, and that's why I purposely followed and liked they just give me all that. I got nothing. I didn't see any gay guys showing up. I got nothing but black guys preaching their butts off. So it's a byproduct. It's a byproduct of what the algo is actually intend for, which is this social shopping.

Starting point is 00:47:20 And when you say social shopping, you're kind of referring to what is more common in China and other countries where like everything apps, where you could communicate and buy your groceries and et cetera, et cetera. That's not something Americans are that exposed to currently. Honestly, like imagine if TikTok was owned by Amazon. That's kind of what all of these apps are making a play for. You have what look like social networks that have e-commerce inside of them, but then you also have e-commerce apps that have social content inside of them.

Starting point is 00:47:51 And to try to keep up, like Amazon has even tried to add more social features. There's like a short form video feed inside of Amazon now. So that's the way that a lot of these Chinese apps have been evolving, which is towards you're looking at social content in between buying things. That's the way that a lot of these Chinese apps have been evolving, which is towards you're looking at social content in between buying things. That's the idea. And in my estimation, this is why TikTok got in all this hot water because the tech companies with their very powerful lobby all got together. And maybe even some mainstream media corporations said, these guys have figured it out.

Starting point is 00:48:22 We've been slow. No one has the whole thing all put together. Nobody has it. And funny enough, I remember back in 2006, 2007, Mevio did a pitch to Amazon and said we should have our podcasters just selling your product like the original American invention, which to this day still works, QVC, home shopping. It is so outrageous that our Silicon Valley companies miss this. I mean, it's a gigantic gaping hole. They should have seen it.

Starting point is 00:49:03 Yes? They should have seen it. Yes. The network TVs people have seen it because they have moved home shopping network onto their morning shows. Every morning show has a whole segment at the end. Yeah. That basically is a home shopping network thing only it's a little quicker and faster paced. And I don't think that the Silicon Valley people, I think you're giving them a bit too much credit because I don't think they,

Starting point is 00:49:35 what they've seen is the loss of interest in their products and the furtherance of interest in TikTok and these other sorts of things. And that's what's freaking them out. Just the superficial nature of it. I don't think that they've gone deep enough to understand any of what you just said. Really? Gosh, that's even more astounding if that's true.

Starting point is 00:50:00 And of course, it is true that... I mean, that's why they had to bring a blogger out who happens to just be analyzing. You don't hear anybody from Google saying, well, the way we see it. No, they're clueless. And we know from my sister's research that TikTok was overtaking search on Google because people are looking for stuff to buy. That's what people are looking for. to buy. That's what people are looking for and other things where to go, where to eat. You know, it was

Starting point is 00:50:30 eating up a lot of business. Turns out though when it comes to social shopping the USA is not even that important to bite dance and TikTok. I think that's an interesting distinction. I'm not sure I understand what bearing it has on the legal arguments for and against banning TikTok, nor do I see its relevance to the meaningfulness to its user base. A lot of the conversation around the ban in the US, particularly from lawmakers, but also in the media, is this idea that TikTok will have to cave and they'll have to sell in the

Starting point is 00:51:04 US because the US audience is so valuable. And the point that I will have to cave and they'll have to sell in the US because the US audience is so valuable. And the point that I was trying to make is that it's not because we are just one step towards a global e-commerce network. Now, are we massive and are we very influential? Absolutely. But the idea that our goofy videos are so valuable

Starting point is 00:51:21 to TikTok that they would sell, to me, feels laughable. Yeah, I think this guy, he figured it out. He figured it out a long time ago. Final clip from on the media. Again, the political groupings and the communities that people belong to is all just a byproduct of their outstanding shopping algorithm. The way that Mike Gallagher, the lawmaker who sponsored the, what we call the TikTok ban. By the way, who got a lot of donations from Google. He puts it is, you know, China is engaged in a smokeless battlefield of the internet.

Starting point is 00:51:59 And that TikTok represents a form of soft power over Americans. I think that ByteDance via TikTok is probably doing some version of what meta with Facebook has done to the rest of the world. I do think that at this point we can say that there are radicalizing effects of social networks or social like networks that have political consequences. Do I believe that it is as simple as we want this political outcome so we're going to

Starting point is 00:52:30 show people that content and that political outcome happens? I mean the research doesn't back that up. I do think the way that people experience content online and the algorithms that push it towards us do create political effects. Because TikTok is so interested in hyper-targeting your interests, no two

Starting point is 00:52:48 feeds are alike, right? Like your TikTok feed and my TikTok feed never two shall meet. And a lot of the impact of that has been on building small weird subcultures or fandoms or communities, but you also have a lot of marginalized communities saying that on TikTok they feel very comfortable where if they go to Instagram per se, they feel like very antagonized or

Starting point is 00:53:11 attacked or whatever. And that does have an effect on political speech. As we saw at the end of 2023, when Israel invades Palestine and the youth of America on TikTok are talking about it in this way that people are saying is anti-Semitic or whatever it is. If you look into it, it's teenagers reacting to the conflict in a way that didn't feel moderated by mainstream media or whatever. They felt like they could just sort of have these conversations amongst themselves. All byproducts, fantastic. But it worked. The whole campaign set up by Silicon Valley and I have got to believe that Disney, ABC, Comcast, I'm sure all of them were in it.

Starting point is 00:53:50 We've got to get rid of these guys for the reasons you mentioned. We got to get them out. It's going too well. They're eating our lunch and it works perfectly when you go to the mainstream and you listen to here he is, Jimmy Kimmel, roll out the dangers, the dangers of TikTok. By the way, he had some funny lines in here. When I say TikTok is an app for teenagers, he does. No, right, it's not an app for teenagers. Just like crop tops are great shirts for old fat guys.

Starting point is 00:54:23 TikTok is for everyone. The problem with TikTok is it's totally controlled by the Chinese government I heard a good explanation of why there's a problem because I wasn't sure why exactly it was a problem Why the the Chinese the reason why the Chinese having our kids personal information is a threat is because kids aren't kids forever They grow up and get jobs and when they do the Chinese government will have all the passwords they use, they'll have everything they posted, their financial information in a lot of cases, messages, you name it, they will have it, which isn't so much of a problem

Starting point is 00:54:55 if they grow up to work at Petco, but some teenagers grow up and become nuclear physicists, or they join the military or the State Department. Every single person in the Army and the State Department used to be a teenager. I don't know if you knew that. And in the future, the Chinese government will have tons of their data to blackmail them with. And that's why it's a national security threat when your nephew films himself eating corn on the cob off a Makita drill bit.

Starting point is 00:55:22 So that's the message. The message is they'll have stuff to blackmail you with later. We played that clip, not that clip, but we played a clip that claimed this sort of bull crap, I think two or three shows ago when this all began, which I had. And I had the clip. It was pulled from one of the PBS or NPR shows.

Starting point is 00:55:42 And it was nonsense that when we played it, it was so stupid. I don't even think we talked about it much. And now it's coming to the fore. This is bull crap. Well, wait until you hear some of the arguments made at the Supreme Court. And so I did a deep dive on the SCOTUS TikTok hearing and unlike notebook LM, you'll actually learn something on this deep dive. I've got to say up front there were multiple lawyers, one on behalf of TikTok USA and two actually on behalf of

Starting point is 00:56:18 creators or as I like to call them the creations of TikTok. And I think they did their clients a huge disservice by making this a First Amendment case, because the reason why the Supreme Court voted nine to zero was for national security. And a lot of the national security stuff comes up as they are talking about it being First Amendment and the First Amendment angle that their lawyer took was, well, the algorithm is our free speech.

Starting point is 00:56:54 What we decide to feature or to demote or promote, that is the free speech of the corporation TikTok America now, of course the problem is that the algorithm is owned by ByteDance and so they're They're taking the information is running through the algo and then they present it here in the US what I thought was super interesting because I would have skipped this normally is interesting, because I would have skipped this normally, is the definition of this algorithm that came up, and I don't know if this can be used in cases later in law, about particularly as it pertains to social media platforms and Section 203. Here's Amy Coney Barrett with the TikTok Lawyer. Mr. Francisco, can I ask you a question about the relevant speech here?

Starting point is 00:57:47 So it strikes me that this is a little different than your Bezos example, because there it's clearly content discrimination, because we're talking about the ability to post particular articles versus other articles. Am I right that the algorithm is the speech here? Yes, Your Honor. Well, I would say the algorithm is a lot of things. The algorithm has built within it. It's basically how we predict what our customers want to see. The editorial discretion.

Starting point is 00:58:15 Yeah, the editorial discretion. It also has built within it the moderation elements. All of this kind of comes together when the source code is translated into executable code in the United States. In the United States, that executable code is then subject to vetting, review, moderation through content moderation algorithms. And that's how it ultimately lands on the TikTok platform. Got it. But what we're talking about as a net choice is the editorial discretion that

Starting point is 00:58:41 underlies the algorithm. So when you say editorial discretion, that's a hot button on section 203. This is why I kept this clip in my lineup. That means that you are a publication. If you're editorializing, then section 203 no longer applies. So I wonder, and constitutional lawyer Rob will be able to tell us, I wonder if just because it didn't show up in the report in the 27 pages which I also went through, but if can you use that later say well you know they decided when they were talking that it was editorial. Something to just keep in the back of our minds. Well, I have two thoughts on this. Okay. First of all, I thought that the reason they went with

Starting point is 00:59:30 the free speech idea was they were making the assumption that because it was a conservative court, they would just be all over free speech. It was a cheap trick. Didn't work. Good point. The second thing is when she's brought up the algorithm, it was the algorithm, was the algorithm, it was the algorithm,

Starting point is 00:59:45 was the algorithm, was algorithm free speech, he sure said no, free speech is free speech, but people say it's free speech, it's got nothing to do with the algorithm. The algorithm should have been thrown out of the argument by this guy. Instead he buys into it and he goes on and on about it,

Starting point is 01:00:02 trying to describe it. This was a huge blunder. That's what I said. I think he did his client a huge disservice. You know, he was, the problem is the, this is non-technical people. Oh, wait, wait until the clip's coming up. You'll see how unsophisticated our Supreme court is. They, they could have gotten anybody to coach them at least a little bit on this. It was embarrassing.

Starting point is 01:00:28 Well, the lawyers that come out in front of the Supreme Court are supposed to be the knowledgeable ones that can do the coaching on the fly instead of falling in the line like this guy. No, it was no good. But the reason why he took the free speech angle is because there's a carve out, there's an exception in this law, which he kept trying to bring up and he would get cut off by other justices. I think because either they, I don't think that they were in on the gag here, but he kept bringing up Tmoo. He says, you says, you know team who they collect data But they get a carve out and it's in this clip

Starting point is 01:01:09 What we are seeking to do is use an algorithm that displays the combination of content That we prefer our users to see on the planet doesn't care about that I mean the government the government is fine with you doing that you can invent yourself. It doesn't even care what content that displays. Cat videos or whatever. A lot of cat video examples. Lady, it's dogs. But I think that the way that the analysis has to unfold is first you ask, is this law burdening our speech? I think we agree that the law is burdening our speech. Then you have to look at whether the law itself is somehow content based, not just what their motivations are, but whether the law is content based.

Starting point is 01:01:50 And here the trigger for this law, the one thing that gets it going is if you operate a social media platform that has user generated content, unless that content takes the form of a product, travel or business review. Then within that universe of content, it says there's one speaker we're particularly concerned about, and we're going to hammer home on that one speaker. And then, just to make the rubble bounce, they come in and tell us that one of the reasons they're targeting that speaker is because they're worried about the future content on that platform, that it could in the future somehow be critical of the United States or undermine democracy to pull examples

Starting point is 01:02:31 from the government's brief. So I think there's no way to get around the fact that this is a content-based speech restriction, and you do have to go directly to what their interests are. I think that strengthens your argument that they went with this because they thought conservative court. I think you're absolutely right. But he talked about the carve out there and now he's going to try and use that. What would your argument be?

Starting point is 01:02:54 It would be an equal protection argument? No, no, I'd still be saying that. This is the one I want. Even if you could get just to the data security question, again, you'd have to ask the question, would this law have been passed by Congress for data security question. Again, you have to ask the question, would this law have been passed by Congress for data security reasons? Because you're being asked to uphold a law based on that single governmental interest. And when you look through the provisions, like the content recommendation

Starting point is 01:03:13 algorithm provision, like the covered company provisions, the answer is no. And if you're still in doubt on that, just go back to the under inclusiveness problem. Would a Congress really worried about these very dramatic risks leave out an e-commerce site like Temu that has 70 million Americans using it and every bit of the connection? Does congress have to go all or nothing on that? It doesn't have to go all or nothing. They isolate a particular problem. They might be getting to what you're talking about next, who knows? But you're really sitting

Starting point is 01:03:45 up there and saying Congress would not pass the divestiture law if data security were the only interest. So I'm saying it would not have passed this divestiture law if data security were the only interest. It's very curious why you just single out TikTok alone and not other companies with tens of millions of people having their own data taken in the process of engaging with those websites and equally if not more available to Chinese control.

Starting point is 01:04:13 So and he has a very good point that there was a carve out for companies like Tmoo that have Chinese control, Chinese algorithms, but they recommend product, travel or service. And therefore, this law does not apply to them. Now, we're going to get into tracking and some embarrassing moments. I just want to say upfront, anybody who has ever developed and submitted an app to any of the app stores I have knows how much scrutiny there is, particularly on user data. In fact, Facebook had to turn off certain tracking in their app in 2022 on, uh, on Apple's platform iOS, which they said cost them about $10 billion

Starting point is 01:05:01 annually in revenue. I mean, it's equal unless Apple and Google are in on it with TikTok. I don't know that and they let them do other things. Everybody has the same data. Everybody can access it as long as you get your user to hit okay the minute the the EULA comes up. They can look at other apps. They can look at your health data, all of this stuff is available as long as the user says okay and of course we all know everyone says okay. So now we're going to talk about that Sotomayor, Justice Sotomayor is very unsophisticated.

Starting point is 01:05:38 In fact, she doesn't even know the difference between a website and an app. How many of these sites have all of the data collection mechanisms that TikTok has? From what I understand from the briefs, not only is it getting your information, it's asking and most people give it permission to access your contact list, whether that contact list has permitted them to or not. So they can now have data about all of your contacts and anything you say about them. How many other sites gather information by- This is so embarrassing. Sites. And the lawyer is even going to use the term website, like just, all right, I'll stick with the website, whatever you want, lady.

Starting point is 01:06:27 Keystrokes. Oh, I'll back it up. The keystrokes, this is also important. ... and anything you say about them. How many other sites gather information by keystrokes to be able to do voice and finger ID information if they choose. And there's a whole lot of data stuff that was discussed in the brief that I don't think any other website gathers.

Starting point is 01:06:57 So wouldn't this be a unique site if I viewed the evidence that way? How would this be under-inclusive? Justice Sotomayor, I don't think a lot of the suppositions you're making actually bear out. And as Justice Gorsuch was pointing out, one of the obviously the real challenges in this case is it comes to you without an ordinary trial record compiled and all the rest. So we have only limited amounts of information. But absolutely these other websites are taking much the same kind of information, if not more.

Starting point is 01:07:29 And as to the contact list thing, I think you also, that points out one other aspect of this, that is voluntary decision by an American user to share that information. You know, in the Riley case... But not informed. And even if informed... If you don't think it's informed, that could be solved. No, it can't be because for the United States, the threat of using that information is what is at issue. It's not whether the user thinks it's okay. It's whether the US believes that it could put sites at issue. Fortunately, the documentation of what TikTok slash ByteDance collects was sealed, meaning

Starting point is 01:08:10 that it could not be made public. It's trade secrets. The justices were pointed towards this and it sounded to me like they hadn't read it. We certainly can. I was hoping there will be something in the documentation. There is a little bit, which I have marked up. The platform collects extensive personal information from and about its users.

Starting point is 01:08:32 Data collection practices extend to age, phone number, precise location, in and address, device used, phone contacts, social network connections, content of private messages sent through the application and videos watched, TikTok user data, user content, behavioral, including keystroke patterns and rhythms. And this is all the stuff that every single app can contract with. Firebase, Amplitude, UXCam, Mixpanel.

Starting point is 01:08:59 They even have session replays so you can see exactly what a user did. This is nothing new. And then the guy throws in a kicker, the lawyer, I like this, which made me go, yeah, how about that? Something else that I think you might notice is, even if all this act goes into effect and the law goes through, TikTok gets to keep all the data. So wouldn't a data security law require them

Starting point is 01:09:23 to expunge that data or get rid of it or something? I mean it's a very weird law if you're just looking out through a data security lens and maybe Congress could do better. Mr. Fisher. Yes! Good point! Good point! You've driven me over the boredom cliff. Oh I'm sorry but you're gonna have to listen to it because it gets really good now. Okay. Please stay with me. Because when Justice Alito compares an algorithm to an old shirt, I mean, that's got to be

Starting point is 01:09:57 worth something. I think you should have led with that, but okay. This may not make any difference for constitutional purposes, but just out of curiosity, I'd like you to explain what the practical consequences would likely be for your clients if TikTok, when dark, as Mr. Francisco put it, there I assume is a great demand for what TikTok provides and if TikTok was no longer there to provide what your clients really want, is there a reason to doubt that some other social media company would not jump in and take advantage of this very lucrative market? There are two reasons, Justice Alito. One is many of the declarations from my clients

Starting point is 01:10:47 actually explain they've tried on other platforms to generate the kind of audience and engagement they've been able to on TikTok, and they've fallen dramatically. Yeah, I know they haven't so far, and I'm just wondering whether this is like somebody's attachment to an old article of clothing. I mean, I really love this old shirt

Starting point is 01:11:05 because I've been wearing this old shirt. But I could go out and buy something exactly like that. But no, I like the old shirt. Is that what we're half here or is there some reason to think that only Bipedance has this, can the, Bipedance has devised this magical algorithm that all of the geniuses at madea and all of these social media companies they couldn't no matter they put their minds to it they couldn't

Starting point is 01:11:31 when he said madea i'm like okay he doesn't know he really has no clue no clue the solicitor general on behalf of the united states who was there to defend decision by Congress, she was the worst. I think she may be a zoomer, but she's definitely millennial. If you were to defend this, what would the example be that you give that China could do with What would the example be that you give that China could do with all of our important personal information? What could China possibly do that would be so horrible for us? The only example they've come up with and you played it already and I played it before is that you can blackmail somebody in the future, but this is again, again, I viewed this.

Starting point is 01:12:25 The example I used before previously was that it's like having pictures of your kid crying or doing some little thing when they were three or four years old and then showing it at their high school graduation as a joke, uh, to humiliate them, which is what parents love to do. Uh, then that's as far as it gets, which is, this is their argument. That's as far as it gets which is this is their argument. It's like hey you know we've got some information we're gonna join the CIA we got some information showing you walked around naked when you were three. They've got nothing it's it's a bogus argument.

Starting point is 01:12:58 Didn't even come up. Didn't even come up. It's much stupider. General Prelogger. Mr. Chief Justice, and may I please the court. The Chinese government's control of TikTok poses a grave threat to national security. No one disputes that the PRC seeks to undermine US interests by amassing vast quantities of sensitive data about Americans and by engaging in covert influence operations. This was the term. Covert influence. uh, what did she say? Covert influence operations, covert content manipulation. And no one disputes that the PRC pursues those goals by compelling companies like Bike Dance

Starting point is 01:13:40 to secretly turn over data and carry out PRC directives. Those realities mean that the Chinese government could weaponize TikTok at any time to harm the United States. Okay, here comes the weaponization. Stand back, everybody. TikTok collects unprecedented amounts of personal data. And as Justice Sotomayor noted, it's not just about the 170 million American users,

Starting point is 01:14:02 but also about their non-user contacts who might not even be engaging with the platform. That data would be incredibly valuable to the PRC. For years, the Chinese government has sought to build detailed profiles about Americans, where we live and work, who our friends and coworkers are, what our interests are, and what our vices are. TikTok's immense data set would give the PRC a powerful tool for harassment, recruitment, and espionage. On top of that, the Chinese government's control over TikTok gives it a potent weapon for covert influence operations.

Starting point is 01:14:37 And my friends are wrong to suggest that Congress was seeking to suppress specific types of content or specific types of viewpoints. Instead, the national security harm arises from the very fact of a foreign adversary's capacity to secretly manipulate the platform to advance its geopolitical goals in whatever form that kind of covert operation might take. The Act addresses the threat of foreign adversary control with laser-like focus. It requires only divestiture of TikTok to prevent Chinese government control. And that divestiture remedy follows a long tradition of

Starting point is 01:15:11 barring foreign control. All right. I'm going to keep it short for you. So what she says projecting, by the way, what do you mean? What she's describing is what we do. Well, exactly. I mean, you don't want China doing this. Do you want your own American companies being able to do this?

Starting point is 01:15:29 Well, of course. That's exactly what the Twitter files were about. Okay, we're going to bring Thomas and Kagan into it. Is there any difference between content manipulation by a non-U.S. company as opposed to a U.S. company? Your question exactly. I didn't hear Mr. Fisher make a distinction between the two. Yes, and I think the important thing to recognize is that the act here is targeting covert content

Starting point is 01:15:56 manipulation by a foreign adversary nation. Now I understand my friends to say- What difference does that make? The difference is that there is no protected First Amendment right for a foreign adversary to exploit its control over its speech platform. No, I mean the difference between covert and non-covert. So I think that Congress's concern with the covert operation was that a foreign adversary could effectively weaponize this platform behind the scenes in order to achieve any

Starting point is 01:16:22 number of geopolitical goals. Here are some of the examples that come to mind. Okay, get ready. One of the pages out of the playbook here is for a foreign adversary to simply try to get Americans arguing with one another to create chaos and distraction in order to weaken the United States as a general matter and distract from any activities

Starting point is 01:16:40 that the foreign adversary might wanna conduct on the world stage. What do you mean by covert though? I mean, isn't this amazing? That's her example? We can get Americans to argue with each other? Really? That's what it's come down to? Is covert just mean it's hard to figure out how the algorithm works?

Starting point is 01:17:00 Because we could say that about every algorithm. No, the covert nature of it comes from the fact that it's not apparent that the PRC is the one behind the scenes pulling the strings here and deciding exactly what content is going to be made to appear on the site. And another way that the PRC- It's just because we don't know that China's behind it,

Starting point is 01:17:17 that's what covert means? Well, I think that- It doesn't have anything to do with the difficulty of figuring out what the algorithm is doing. It's just because people don't know that China is pulling the strings. That's what covert means. What it means is that Americans are on this platform thinking that they are speaking to one another and this recommendation engine that is apparently so valuable is organically

Starting point is 01:17:37 directing their speech to each other. And what is covert is that the PRC, a foreign adversary nation, is instead exploiting a vulnerability in the system to suppress and silence... Well, if that's all it means that people don't know that China's behind it, everybody now knows that China is behind it. Anyway, then all those justices doubled down. They were making jokes about the fact that everybody knows it's Chinese. The whole thing was completely idiotic and stupid and highly under informed, highly under informed. So we need to get

Starting point is 01:18:10 TikTok back. And we need to get people selling crap again. This is what we do. Sorry, bored you. Is that it? Well, I'll stop here. Yeah. You were going to have more? Well, I'd had only one more, but it's enough. It was just more joking about covert China and her saying that Americans will start arguing

Starting point is 01:18:38 and then I think it was Kagan. Gorsuch says, well, if that's what they wanted, they've already won. We did it with our own companies. So the whole thing was just idiotic and clearly Silicon Valley mainstream money to get rid of TikTok. And I think Trump will use this to a great advantage. He'll, he'll Lord this over Silicon Valley over his tech bros. He Lord it over everybody. Oh, let me see what I can tech bros. He'll lord it over everybody.

Starting point is 01:19:05 Oh, let me see what I can do with this. He can keep it going for at least three months. Yeah, yeah, maybe I should let those guys come back. Maybe we should do this. I think it's great political currency for Trump. With China as well. Hey, why don't you open source that algo, let our guys in on it, and we'll lower the tariffs to 10%.

Starting point is 01:19:36 Okay. And now back to your regularly scheduled programming. Do a count on the chat room. Uh, let's, I have the banning TikTok news. This would be, this would have been my contribution. 2655. 2655. That's a hundred over.

Starting point is 01:20:02 Yeah. So they're riveted by this presentation. That's good. Of course they were. This would be my, of course they were. Of course they were. Bickering at the Supreme court department. Okay.

Starting point is 01:20:15 You know what? It's, I think we learned a lot more than you got anywhere else. We didn't learn anything anywhere else. In fact, this is the, uh, this is the extent of it. This is the banning TikTok news clip. This would be what you would hear anywhere else. The popular social media app TikTok says it will go dark for its 170 million US users tomorrow, but it may only be for a day.

Starting point is 01:20:40 President-elect Trump said he will most likely give the app a 90-day reprieve from a law banning it once he takes office on Monday. That came in a phone interview with NBC News. Despite that, TikTok says it wants further assurances from the Biden administration since it will be in charge tomorrow when the ban is to take effect. Well, that ban lasted less than 12 hours. Or that self-imposed band lasted less than 12 hours. It was a publicity stunt. Of course it was.

Starting point is 01:21:08 So since you're playing this sort of clips, I have something to compete with it. I have three clips, only those. Oh, alright. Don't take that long. Alright. A couple of minutes. Alright. But NPR downloaded the comms of the fire department.

Starting point is 01:21:22 Oh. During the event. And it turns out, and if you listen to it carefully, the timeline that we were presented with isn't quite accurate. NPR's investigations team downloaded more than 2,000 hours of communications between first responders. And that audio shows how crews trying to control the fires

Starting point is 01:21:39 ran into a huge problem with the water supply. Here's more on that from NPR's Chiara Eisner. Just eight hours after the first responders saw that brush fire, a firefighter sent out an urgent message on the radio. If you can get a hold of any sort of public works or DWP, our folks are starting to report that they're running out of water and hydrant systems. The dispatcher jumped in to say people were trying to fix the problem. Copy that, it's being worked on.

Starting point is 01:22:09 Six minutes later, a firefighter suggested sending a truck that transports water, called a tender, to the scene. With us losing our water up here, is there any way we can get a bunch of water tenders through the city and we can can them up at least in the state area up in the Palisades and we can set up a portable hydrant system so our folks can have a shorter turnaround time?" But reaching the fire was not easy. As fire trucks and tenders tried to rush there, they had to fight through crazy traffic.... 71, you've got gridlock on Palisades Drive. People are driving down both sides. And the fire itself kept moving. With the winds that we're experiencing up here, and I'm looking across Canyon, that's where it looks like it's headed.

Starting point is 01:22:56 Nearby, a super scooper was providing support from the air. That's a plane that scoops up water from lakes or other reservoirs to dump on fires. L.A. County, Quebec 2, flight of two super scoopers just leaving the fire scene at this time. We're showing van eyes in about three minutes. NPR journalists transcribed and analyzed communications from 13 audio feeds streaming L.A. City and County first responder channels. The feeds were downloaded from broadcastify.com, a live audio streaming platform. Oh boy.

Starting point is 01:23:29 Someone's going to get in trouble for this one. We're going to have to... So you listen to these clips. I've got two more. And the timeline that we were... I was led to believe and I'm going to skip... Not going to skip these clips, but I'm going to jump to an analysis that was done by NPR itself earlier in one of the other shows.

Starting point is 01:23:51 And play this so we can get a little background. This clip is called NPR coverage about water. This is a cover-up. This is a cover-up story, if you listen to this, and then we get back to the download eclipse. NPR spoke to half a dozen water and fire experts who say no municipal water systems are designed for fires this big. They say the issue was not a lack of water but hurricane force winds that meant aircraft couldn't fly and drop water on the blazes. A popular false narrative claims

Starting point is 01:24:24 billionaires Stuart and Linda Resnick hoarded water on the blazes. A popular false narrative claims billionaires Stewart and Linda Resnick hoarded water on their California farms that could have been used to fight fires. Stephanie Pincell, professor at UCLA says while the Resnicks use a lot of water, their groundwater is distinct and not germane to the problem. We did not run out of water. Julia Simon and PR news We did not run out of water This is bull crap and if you listen that first clip they were using the there were dumping waters from airplanes initially It was later after they'd long since run out of water that they grounded the airplanes Wow, man

Starting point is 01:25:03 Yep Does NPR make this conclusion? No, of course not, because this stupid cover-up story that you just played was their argument that, no, no, everything is fine, heaven forbid that we, they're self-contradictory here. They play these downloaded clips, and then the next thing you know,

Starting point is 01:25:22 they're trying to cover it up. But listen to this, here's part two of these of the comms. By Tuesday evening the communications show conditions were getting increasingly dangerous. Operation Telco on command, we are going to be grounding all aircraft. Based on the wind conditions right now we're ineffective and we're not going to compromise safety. So all rotorcrafts are going to go back to Van Nuys. You have no aircraft on the incident right now. And by 2 a.m. the next morning, first responders were organizing rescues.

Starting point is 01:25:57 Yeah, we've done an ALS transport of a chest pain, possible CO poisoning of a firefighter. As we're getting a report, they say it needs to be evac'd on a ventilator and they've lost power. But a few minutes later, the radio communications again turned to the water problem. We've lost most of the hydro pressure in Zulu. By the time the firefighter issued that update from a section of the Palisades fire, other parts of LA had already started burning. The Eaton fire near Altadena had started Tuesday evening at the base of the Angeles National Forest.

Starting point is 01:26:36 That's about an hour's drive northeast of Palisades. Just after midnight, in the early morning on Wednesday, the water appeared to be running out there too. Truck 82, we have multiple firearms and tree fires, bushfires. Copy that, LA, we do not have water. And by 6 a.m., firefighters near the Altadena neighborhood were mentioning problems with hydrants. We're having some water supply issues, some of the hydrants are going dry. The communications indicate this came as a surprise to the first responders. We're having some water supply issues. Some of the hydrants are going dry. The communications indicate this came as a surprise to the first responders.

Starting point is 01:27:09 Were you having any issues like that before? No negative. I haven't heard of anyone having issues with the hydrants. Let me check and see if they can boost the pumps or could be the tanks are getting low. And just past midday on Wednesday, a firefighter made a dire announcement. Hey, I see operations just further. We're up at Lake and Alta Dena and all the hydrants up here are dead. We're working on trying to find water for them.

Starting point is 01:27:40 Yeah, lies. It's unbelievable. And so this is the last clip. California Governor Gavin Newsom ordered an investigation last week into how the fire hydrants lost pressure and how they stopped providing water. City officials say the system was never designed for large wildfires like Palisades or Eaton. It was designed for house fires or urban fires. But in the letter the governor wrote to the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power, one of the utilities in charge, Newsom demanded answers.

Starting point is 01:28:13 On the radio channel, a first responder also thought about reaching out to the water company. Just checking to see if we have a representative from the water department so we can maybe work on our water supply issues. But in the meantime, there was only one thing they could do. Pick your best targets of opportunity the best you can. We're having real problems with the water. No water at all. So do your best.

Starting point is 01:28:37 Reva Duncan is a former fire chief with the US Forest Service. She says that sort of response is often the only option. When they run out of water and they're in that kind of situation, then they have to kind of do triage. Do we have to move even farther over where we can be effective and efficient with our water and at least try to stop some kind of progress of the fire? Firefighters are trained to keep their cool when communicating on the scene and over the radio. But Duncan says it's still devastating to run out of resources. It's hard for us to watch people's homes burn down and then lose everything.

Starting point is 01:29:12 Especially when it's the situation where there's so little that firefighters can do at that time. More than 40,000 acres have burned in LA so far across the different fire regions. That's an area three times the size of Manhattan. They like doing that Manhattan comparison. Three times the size of Manhattan. That's a classic. I'm sure you receive this. If not, it's in the show notes, the Design for Disaster documentary 1962. I did not receive this. Oh, it's the story of the Bell Air and Brentwood wildfire. Oh, the Bell Air 61 fire. That was a big deal.

Starting point is 01:29:51 Yeah, it's really good. And that was the catalyst for brush clearing, etc. which I think just wasn't happening anymore. It's a good doc. It's about half an hour. This is the same as this typical, like the financial thing I've described it all the time. You put all these rules in place to keep something from happening. The rules keep it from happening. And then, then after a few years, people say, this isn't happening. What do we need all these rules for?

Starting point is 01:30:21 Exactly. It's just a natural phenomenon. So they stopped doing all the work they should have been doing. They left that 117 million gallon reservoir dead empty, which was the Palisades reservoir dead empty. And then they ran out of water right away. Right away. Whoops.

Starting point is 01:30:45 It's just like, it's unbelievable. What a fiasco. What a botch. Of course, we don't really have to worry because we're Americans and we do what Americans do in these situations. Here's my 18 second NPR clip. Music stars will hold a benefit concert for LA fire victims. The event's called Fire Aid. It will be staged on January 30th in two venues. Some of the performers will include Lady Gaga,

Starting point is 01:31:12 Jelly Roll, Billie Eilish, and the Red Hot Chili Peppers. I'm Korva Coleman, NPR News. Nothing like some Red Hot Chili Peppers at your Fire Aid, huh? Yeah, perfect. Fire Aid. your fire aid, huh? Yeah, perfect. Last night, Saturday Night Live had Dave Chappelle. I haven't seen it all, but what I saw was really good. Did a very funny sketch about a family in Los Angeles. And he also, he said this 50 seconds in his monologue. And then we watched news or talked to my friends. They all have these conspiracy

Starting point is 01:31:47 theories, what started these fires. Now, they say it's arsonist. I've heard this theory. And I'm sure there was some arsonist, but there were a lot of elements that came together to make this fire the catastrophe that was.

Starting point is 01:31:58 The winds were 100 miles an hour, LA was dry as a bone and the levees and there was just too many factors. If you were a rational thinking miles an hour LA was as dry as a bone in the levees and there was just too many factors if you were a rational thinking person you have to at least consider the possibility that God hates these people That's not true because West Hollywood was unscathed. Because how can you burn what is already flaming? There you go.

Starting point is 01:32:36 I hope they bring him on to Fire Aid. Have him crack some jokes. They won't. No, of course they won't. Of course, he probably didn't even clear it with Lorne, all the stuff he did. People are already selling. TMZ had one of those celebrity realtors on. Josh Altman.

Starting point is 01:32:58 Have you ever seen Josh Altman? No. You know these shows though, right? Yeah. Yeah, they do all the high end stuff. And so they cornered him. This is hard to say. I strongly believe that 50% of the people who lived in the Palisades

Starting point is 01:33:11 are not going to be moving back to the Palisades. Why? Yeah, and honestly that number wasn't as big last week in my mind. But after the phone calls that I've been getting, people who are moving to Brentwood, Santa Monica, Bel Air, Beverly Hills. So it's going to be the markets that are going to go up because people want to be as close to normalcy as possible.

Starting point is 01:33:33 And those are those towns right around the Palisades. Those are going to go up that market. That's where they're going to move. It's going to be too long. You got to realize Palisades is the all American town, right? The families are running around. It's like what you picture towns and movies that we used to watch. These kids that are five years old right now that live in the Palisades and go to school, there's a chance

Starting point is 01:33:54 that if things don't move fast, it could be four to five years before they're back there. These kids are now 10. They're going to different schools, different lives now, you know, so it's, it's, uh, it's tough because picture you living on a street, you're the first house finished and every other house on the street is in construction. Think about that. You don't want to do that. You want to wake up every single morning and be reminded of that. I'm negotiating almost a dozen deals right now on land in the Palisades, much faster than I ever thought it would be doing. People are already trying to sell their dirt, knowing that they're not going to go back there

Starting point is 01:34:36 to home builders that will then build their house and either keep it or sell it. Yeah, they're selling their dirt. Yeah, the problem with that report was the, very un-California-like, what was the price of the dirt? I don't know I'm sure it wasn't cheap I sure was very expensive. I'm sure it wasn't cheap either but what was it? I don't know. We have no idea was it a lot selling for a half a mil, a mil, a million dollar lots. We don't know anything. No because it's a shitty report. Oh geez sorry that's not a report they cornered the guy. No, it's DMZ's fault. They're all from California. They know better.

Starting point is 01:35:07 And California is different than the rest of the country. We talk about our real estate prices constantly. What'd you pay? Oh, I paid this. I paid, you know, the other one said, none of your business. Not in California. Oh, really? You all talk about that all the time?

Starting point is 01:35:22 Yeah. Huh. Yeah, what'd you pay for that lot? Oh, I got it for a about that all the time? Yeah. Huh. Yeah, what'd you pay for that lot? Oh, I got it for a song, I got it for 80, the market was like 100. Oh, good deal, you made a good deal. No, maybe he was trying to protect his clients. No, I think he's, maybe their lots are going cheap.

Starting point is 01:35:41 Well, that was kind of the insinuation. The people are selling their dirt is getting rid of it. You know, I don't think much insurance will cover what it will actually cost to rebuild. No, they're going to have to, this is going to be lot, this is all from scratch. Yeah. So time to build a new LA super city, LA 2.0. 10 minute Palisades. 15, we'll give them 15.

Starting point is 01:36:02 10 minute Palisades. 15. We'll give them 15. Of course, in electrified California, the EVs were a real problem with firefighting. Here's CNN. Scattered amongst the ruins of California's devastating wildfires sit countless Teslas and other electric vehicles, most left behind by owners forced to flee from the fast-moving flames. The Char-DVs are a grim reminder of a new frontier facing firefighters and residents

Starting point is 01:36:32 when battling wildfires and the daunting environmental challenges in cleaning up some of the remains. It's a little different world now today with batteries, not just car batteries, but battery packs, people with solar, those Tesla wall batteries and the like. so the hazmat side of this is made a little bit more complicated just last month the EPA approved the state's ambitious second and the sale of new gas so that was Newsome yeah gravelly voice Newsome yeah who's the promoting that you had to go a% EV by 2030. Yep. You can't sell a gas car anymore and he's making that comment? Yeah.

Starting point is 01:37:09 Yeah. What a douche. The hazmat side of this is made a little bit more complicated. Just last month, the EPA approved the state's ambitious plan to end the sale of new gas-operated vehicles by 2035. 35. We get an extra five years. California has seen a surge in electric vehicles over the last decade.

Starting point is 01:37:26 There were more than 3000 EVs per 100,000 residents in California in 2023, the highest per capita of any state in the US, according to the Department of Energy. Let's talk to the firefighters about it. 20, 30 years ago when these things were not present in these fires, you didn't have to think about that. San Diego Fire Battalion Chief Robert Resendi is a member of the EPA's lithium ion battery task force. He says the surge in batteries in homes and in EVs creates a new layer of complexity in firefighting.

Starting point is 01:37:55 As the batteries start to burn, they actually release flammable gases like hydrogen and carbon monoxide, and then they also release their own oxygen. And so smothering the fire doesn't really work in these situations. Putting a bunch of water on them doesn't really work in these situations. Resendi says a normal gas-powered car fire can be managed in five to 15 minutes. But putting out an EV fire could take two to 12 hours.

Starting point is 01:38:23 So the battery just kind of has to run its course and its chemistry needs to be consumed before it'll stop being on fire. If there is a vehicle that's burned out right now in one of these wildfire zones in LA that was an EV, is it possible that if the battery is intact it could still reignite? Yes. Because of reignitions, he says it could take a swimming pool's worth of water to fully extinguish an EV battery fire. And how about that battery power storage plant in California? Was that near San Jose? Well, I said, last point, it's off on the coast.

Starting point is 01:39:00 It's actually a power plant, and they use the battery. They have a big bunch of batteries there to save wind power because it's in view of the coast. It's actually a power plant and they use a battery. They have a big bunch of batteries there to save wind power. To store the electricity. Yeah, and it blew up. Is it still on fire? I would think so. They want to put one of those in Kerrville. It's a bad idea. It's a very bad idea. Except I was thinking about it while listening to that last clip. Why can't somebody, because it takes what, 12 hours to put the fire out, a swimming pool won't do it, it just keeps burning until the batteries are gone. There's got to be some chemical way of stopping these fires. The only thing I've seen is they have this big fireproof oxygen tight tarp they throw over the car

Starting point is 01:39:47 and then it kind of burns out underneath that even if it's still burning they got to find some there's got to be some Solution. Yeah, here's the solution Combustion I know your solution combustion engines have the explosions under the hood not in your garage it's so and I yeah you're right about Newsom is horrible oh yeah no good but he just liked to hear himself talk I love the climate change angle it's finally starting to kick in and we have I, a definite new Reverend Al Clipp when it comes to the LA fires and climate change. He's in rare form today.

Starting point is 01:40:35 Firefighters have been making progress in containing the raging palisades and Eden fires. The devastation now ranks among the worst in California history. Meanwhile, the World Meteorological Foundation said Friday that 2024 was the hottest year on record, 1.5 degrees Celsius above pre-industrial levels, bringing the planet dangerously close to breaking the pledge made by a global, a global leaders under the 2015 Paris Climate Agreement. Glosal. Glosal leaders. Glosal leaders.

Starting point is 01:41:18 Glosal? There's more. Los Angeles County has declared a public health emergency due to the air quality. Officials warn the biggest threats are smoke and particular matters, which they say may cause long-term health effects. Particular matters. Wow. He's got a new producer.

Starting point is 01:41:43 A set of particulates. Yeah. Particular matters. Rev Al is the best. And how much does he make? This is where he usually remind us of that. I think a 1.2 mil. At least.

Starting point is 01:41:55 CBS this morning jumped right in with Jane Pauli. Although I cut Jane Pauli out of these two clips. They found someone to make all the connections. The monster that roared through LA County last week is still alive. But firefighters seem to have it cornered. People have started returning to their homes, or what's left of them. And insurance, if they had it, is a whole other battle. And the focus now is turning from what happened

Starting point is 01:42:30 to why it happened and what in the world is next. This disaster is as bad as just about anybody here can remember, but is it really just the new normal? Nature is telling us, I can't take this anymore. Oh no! I cannot support you. I can't take it anymore. Listen carefully, there's nature telling us it can't take it anymore. But is it really just the new normal? Nature is telling us I can't take this anymore. I cannot support you if you keep treating me this way. John Valiant is the author of Fire Weather on the Front Lines of a Burning World. And he says climate change is making disasters like the wind-driven L.A. fires fiercer.

Starting point is 01:43:21 This is not an anomaly. This is the future. Future. We can expect fires of this intensity and worse in the future. The types of fires we've seen over the past 10 years are qualitatively different from the previous hundred years. Wait, wait, wait, wait. The types of fires are different. Yeah. How has fire changed?

Starting point is 01:43:42 In a number of ways. The most potent and frightening way, the most obvious to the lay person, you know, people like us, is it moves faster and with greater intensity. And you talk to any firefighter with any sense of history and they are seeing different behavior that is in many cases unfightable. I guess he hasn't seen the documentary about the 1961 Bel Air Brentwood fire. Went pretty fast then, pal. But this is what they do.

Starting point is 01:44:13 Bring it right around to climate change because, you know, Trump's coming in. We got to press this issue. We got to make people think about this stuff because it's nowhere safe. And Valiant says the cause is something science has been telling us for decades. The CO2 that our combustion engines keep pumping into the atmosphere. We don't feel it. We don't smell it. We don't notice it. But if you were to take the car engine that brought me here and set it up on the floor here and fired it up, we would go deaf and then we would die from its emissions. And that's under the hood of every internal combustion engine car.

Starting point is 01:45:05 And there are hundreds of millions of them. So the emissions from fire, these trillions of fires that we make every day... Who is this guy? He's the guy who wrote the book about fire because of climate change. He's on CBS. They did the whole, they did a 10-minute package on him. 10 minutes to tell us we're going to die. So the emissions from fire, these trillions of fires that we make every day, has created this artificially warm climate.

Starting point is 01:45:32 And so, he says, we get more intense fires. Hold on a second. What's the temperature there in Austin here? Well, I'm not in Austin, but we are… I mean, the Austin area? Well, right now we're probably around, just around freezing. You're around freezing? Yes, we're freezing.

Starting point is 01:45:49 So around 32 or so? Yeah, it's freezing. Yes, we're cold. So that's the horrible heat that you're dealing with. I'm sorry to hear that. Yes, how about you? It's 50. Oh, that's cold for you.

Starting point is 01:46:03 Well, I take it back. I'm looking at the thing on the screen here. It's actually 49. It is 50. Oh, that's cold for you. Well, I take it back. I'm looking at the thing on the screen here. It's actually 49. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, put on the sweater. I got one on, believe me. ...from fire.

Starting point is 01:46:15 These trillions of fires that we make every day has created this artificially warm climate. And so, he says, he get more intense fires, stronger hurricanes, and hotter heat waves. Climate scientist Peter Kalmas. What was that? It was a Nat Pop. They just threw in a Nat Pop. This is great. Or heat waves. We're going to lose everything.

Starting point is 01:46:46 And we're not choking. Climate scientist Peter Kalmas has been sounding much the same alarm for years. So do you feel like you're sitting on all this science and you're trying to share it with the world? Sitting on science? Another show title. Sitting on science is dynamite. Sitting on science. Do you feel like you're sitting on

Starting point is 01:47:08 all this science and you're trying to share it with the world and no one's listening? That's exactly how I feel. Yes. We met him in 2022 near his home in Altadena, California, just as he was about to move his family to North Carolina. Was part of that move because you were worried about wildfires? Yeah. So for a few years, I wanted to move to someplace a little bit less fiery, but I want to make it clear. I don't think there's any place safe from climate change. And believe me, he went right into Helene and he's in North Carolina and you know, so

Starting point is 01:47:43 we're all going to die. There's no place, no place where it's not safe anywhere from climate change anywhere ever not gonna happen might as well get used to it the new normal yeah I think you're right this is a Trump thing no totally because we don't need the hoax idea floating around no no, no, the hoax. The preemptive strike is what this would be called in normal circumstances. From CBS, the communist broadcasting system. Yes, CBS the worst, the communist broadcasting system.

Starting point is 01:48:15 You remember that report, oh, not that report, all the reports from the Surgeon General about alcohol and cancer two weeks ago? Two weeks ago. I've heard a couple of reports this last couple of days. And what did we think that might be on the way? Mucktails. Mucktails? If only.

Starting point is 01:48:34 No. No. Wouldn't you know it? To the index of other news, a new report by the American Cancer Society tonight finding certain cancers on the rise among women and younger adults, including breast, thyroid and colorectal cancers. For the first time, cancer diagnoses in women ages 50 to 64 have now surpassed men. There's your report.

Starting point is 01:49:01 And so it begins. They've all been drinking too much. That's going to be the reason. And of course our thesis is the vaccine cover-up. Yes. I got a note from one of our boots on the ground nurses actually in Southern California. She says that our hospital, there's been a lot of talks amongst doctors of what they feel about using GLP-1 drugs for alcohol. Some are very intrigued and walk around saying, hey, just Google GLP-1 drugs and alcohol addiction. The solution is right there.

Starting point is 01:49:37 Problem, reaction, solution. There's a lot of these things are compound nowadays. It's like it solves a lot of problems. Yes, it does. I know. It's that they haven't gotten to the one you're pushing in which is coming. I'm pretty sure you might be right about it.

Starting point is 01:49:53 What, the alcohol with the OZ? No, no, the GLP ones and erectile dysfunction. That's gotta, come on, it's gotta be on the next stop on the train. Is it in the book? It should be on the next stop on the train. Is it in the book? It should be in the book. It should really. You made it go in the book and somebody's out there, there's a virtual book that's floating

Starting point is 01:50:12 around. Listen, I got a couple of Biden clips I want to get out of the way. Yeah, sure. Biden and the 28th amendment. Oh yeah, this has been interesting. This is the NPR stuff? Yeah, I got two clips. Three days before President Biden leaves office, he made a surprise announcement

Starting point is 01:50:31 about a proposed constitutional amendment that has been debated for decades. Today, I affirm the Equal Rights Amendment to have cleared all the necessary hurdles to be added to the US Constitution now. The Equal Rights Amendment that says, quote, equality of rights under the law shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of sex. But the official who certifies constitutional amendments, the archivist of the United States, does not think the proposal has been properly ratified. And PR White House correspondent, Danielle Kurtzleben joins us.

Starting point is 01:51:07 Danielle, thanks so much for being with us. Danielle Kurtzleben Of course. Good morning, Scott. Scott What exactly did the president announce? Danielle Kurtzleben Well, he announced basically what we just heard there. He said that in his mind, this amendment is already the law of the land. Now, of course, it's not in the Constitution.

Starting point is 01:51:22 And were it to get there, legal scholars say the ERA could affect a wide range of areas like pregnancy discrimination, pay equity, and reproductive rights. But before the ERA can become an amendment, it has to be certified by the archivist, a woman named Colleen Shogan. The White House told reporters Friday that Biden wasn't directing her to certify the ERA. Rather, they said that Shogun is simply required to certify the amendment and the archivist has said that's not happening. This story is very confusing to me. Obviously, I'm interested in a constitutional amendment, but this has been batting around for since the 70s? It expired. Oh.

Starting point is 01:52:06 It never passed and it had a deadline built into the act to make it a constitutional amendment and it never made it, never made the deadline, it never got passed, it was just bull crap. And so this bite, so JD Vance had the best one-liner, he had it on Twitter, he says, hey Joe, while you're making these proclamations, make Pete Rose a member of the baseball hall of fame, which is about the same thing. So but just let me understand because what I heard and that's of course the reporting

Starting point is 01:52:35 is, excuse me, that Virginia said, oh, no, we ratify it and now it's ratified and it should be the amendment. Is that what the story is? This is Biden's interpretation of reality. This is all bull crap. To make this amendment part of the constitution, the process has to be started over. It's expired. But Biden just decided to do this like a maniac. Well, we don't think Biden actually is doing anything. Someone else is acting like a maniac. Did you, I didn't clip it. Did you see the speaker of the house? Before you go with that, let's play the second half of this and then we'll talk.

Starting point is 01:53:20 If the archivist is that explicit, where's the confusion? Well, we have to go back to when the ERA passed Congress in 1972 to explain this. After that, it went to the states for ratification. 38 states have to sign off on an amendment. And importantly, the ERA had a deadline attached to it for ratification. That deadline was eventually set for 1982, but by then, it was still three states short. Now, despite that, state legislatures continued ratifying it over the years. And in 2020, Virginia became the 38th state and the ERA reached that benchmark and the debate was reignited.

Starting point is 01:53:57 Pete Slauson But why is there debate? Anna Sussman Well, it's all about that initial deadline I mentioned that was put on the ERA. Now, one side, which includes the American Bar Association, they argue that the deadline does not matter. One argument they make is that the constitution just doesn't say anything about amendments having deadlines. But interestingly, DOJ officials under both Trump and Biden are on the other side of this. During the Trump administration, the DOJ issued an opinion saying the deadline

Starting point is 01:54:25 did matter and that it was up to courts or Congress to move the ERA along. And in 2022, the Biden DOJ agreed that this is up to the courts and Congress. And this is where the archivist comes in. In 2022, and again last month, her office, Colleen Shogan, said that they are following what the DOJ said in those instances. Interesting. They can start it over. They want to pass this thing, start it over. Everyone's all in on it.

Starting point is 01:54:54 Does this go back to the bra burning? Yeah. Wow, it's that old, huh? I think it was initiated in the 70s. And this is really about discrimination based on sex. Right. Which and I guess there's tons of laws already that don't... Well there was actually we had a series of clips that are in the archives but by Phyllis Schlafly. She was the number one proponent, a complainer about this thing. Phyllis Schlafly was a left, sorry,

Starting point is 01:55:25 right wing woman who was very famous for, and she was interesting if these, these series of clips that we put on the show, I think we played some of them. She was sharp and she, no one could really, is she one of those people like, you know, trying to debate, like if you went up and decided to debate Ben Shapiro, for example. Oh, I would be screwed. You'd be dead.

Starting point is 01:55:51 Yeah, screwed. Well, she was this type, she wasn't that, she wasn't a fast talker, but she was hard to beat in these debates. And she made the, her commentary was based on, look, women have it better right now because we're like a protected class without this amendment. She says, you put the amendment in and now we're going to have to go to war, we're going to have to be drafted. She just moaned and groaned about how this amendment was a bad idea because it was...

Starting point is 01:56:23 They got a good deal going on. They got a good deal going on. They had a good deal going the way she saw it. And she had a strong argument and she convinced she's the one, she is the reason this never passed. Now they could restart it because she's not around anymore and there's nobody making her arguments and everyone's, you know, gung ho for this and that. Um, so it. So it's possible they could get it to be passed but she had strong

Starting point is 01:56:51 arguments and she was powerful. Well the first thing the Republicans would do would be exactly that. It's like okay you're being drafted now. Take the worst case scenario and you make it worse. Yeah'm glad you clipped the Mike Johnson stuff because I thought about it and I guess I forgot about it. Can we play those? Yes. Mike Johnson, this is a clip that has a lot of people bent out of shape. And I want to defend him. I think I only have two clips. He had a meeting with Biden and Biden wasn't, apparently he showed him that he wasn't really running the country.

Starting point is 01:57:26 And everyone condemned Mike Johnson after these clips appeared because it was like, why don't you say something? Why don't you go? And the problem that you have with that is that when you're, if you're the speaker of the house meeting with the president, that's a private conversation. No matter, you can't. And he says why he can talk about it now because the Wall Street Journal brought it out They probably know you can't go in and discuss this sort of thing just general So he I I give him a break on this in some ways actually kind of feel sorry for Joe Biden

Starting point is 01:57:55 I mean, he's in the twilight years of his life He is not obviously has not been in charge for some time and I know this by personal observation And now the whole world knows it and it's been very very concerning to me over the last you know year and a half since I've had this story when you say personal observation What would well I mean? I guess this is it's public now because the Wall Street Journal got it and put it on the front page but January year ago almost exactly a year ago. I had been asked I became speaker in October 2023 and there were all sorts of

Starting point is 01:58:25 big national security concerns and everything going on, and I started requesting a meeting with the president because, you know, I'm kind of old school, I'm a constitutional law guy. The speaker of the house should be able to talk to the president, especially in times of great national interest and calamity. But they wouldn't let me meet with him, and his staff kept putting, getting me excuses. This went on for like eight or nine weeks. I'm sorry, Mr. Speaker, he doesn't have time. What are you talking about? I'm second in line to the presidency. He has time.

Starting point is 01:58:47 I need to talk to him. We had, I can't say the classified parts, but we had some big, big national concerns at the time that I was losing sleep over. Finally, I just went to the Hill Press Corps and I said, the president is not being allowed to meet with the speaker. There's a problem. So they started putting pressure on him. Long story short, they finally relented.

Starting point is 01:59:04 They invited me to the White House I show up and I realized it's actually an ambush because it's not just me and the president. It's also Kamala Harris Chuck Schumer Hakeem, you know the whole day CIA director everybody and then so I walked in the oval and oh I know what this is. This is a they're gonna hotbox the speaker on Ukraine funding. That's what it was This is probably third week of January. Hey Mike, what's that in your mouth? The CIA director. Hey Mike, do a little pull aside with Mike here for a second.

Starting point is 01:59:34 I think I remember him saying that he couldn't get a meeting with the president. That I think he did say in public. Yeah, well he could do that but he couldn't discuss the meeting itself but now he does and here's what the outcome was. We sit down, we're in the midst of it and the whole conversation and I'm going we don't need to have this conversation. The president reaches over just like this, we're sitting right next to the fireplace in the Oval and he grabs my arm and he says, the speaker and I just need a couple minutes

Starting point is 01:59:59 together would y'all just leave us alone? And I looked up on the faces of some of the staff standing around the wall and they're like, no he did it. So they, he called it. He's the commander in chief, so everybody leaves. And he and I are standing awkwardly in the middle of the Oval Office right over the rug by that coffee table. And I said, Mr. President, thanks for the moments.

Starting point is 02:00:14 You know, this is very important. I got some big national security things I need to talk to you about that I've heard and I think you know, and what do we do? But first, real quickly, Mr. President, can I ask you a question? I cannot answer this from my constituents in Louisiana. Sir, why did you pause LNG exports to Europe? Like, I don't understand, you know, liquefied natural gas is in great demand by

Starting point is 02:00:34 our allies. Why would you do that? Because you understand, we just talked about Ukraine, you understand you're fueling Vladimir Putin's war machine because they've got to get their gas from him, you know. And he looks at me stunned with his, and he said, I didn't do that. I said, Mr. President, yes you did. It was an executive order like three weeks ago. And he goes, no, I didn't do that. And he's arguing with me. I said, Mr. President, respectfully, could I go out here and ask your secretary to print

Starting point is 02:00:59 it out? We'll read it together. You definitely did that. And he goes, oh, you talk about natural gas. Yes, sir. He said, no, no, you misunderstand. He said, what I did is I signed this thing to, we're going to conduct a study on the effects of LNG.

Starting point is 02:01:12 I said, no, you're not, sir. You paused it. I know. I have the terminal, the export terminal in my state. I talked to those people this morning. This is doing massive damage to our economy, national security. It occurred to me, Barry, he was not lying to me. He genuinely did not know what he had signed.

Starting point is 02:01:28 And I walked out of that meeting with fear and loathing because I thought, we're in serious trouble. Who is running the country? Like, I don't know who put the paper in front of him, but he didn't know. So we know who was running the country because they were in the room. That's who has been running the country. And I would say CIA director being there probably has the goods on everybody. Might have been calling the shots.

Starting point is 02:01:52 We also had the Donnellan brothers or the BlackRock folk. But the question that comes to mind and it's never discussed and Barry doesn't discuss it, that's for sure. And it wasn't discussed on this interview. Who does he think is running the country? A. But the other thing is what was the point of pausing the LNG exports? Why was that decision made? Was it so somebody could play some stocks or somebody could make a quick buck or I mean what exactly, what was the rationale for doing that for that pause, that pause in time?

Starting point is 02:02:34 Who benefited from it? Can somebody trace that? I mean you should be able to follow the money on that one. That should be easy enough to figure out. Maybe somebody was just a dupe to sign it. Maybe somebody had a tanker of oil out there on the ocean. It was very suspicious. It was odd. It was odd.

Starting point is 02:02:52 It was like our number one gangbusters move, the LNG. It was perfect for us. Well, speaking of our allies, and this will be the last that I have before we take a break, I'm very excited because Rutte, Rutte, our boy is on fire. But first we have to understand just how worried our allies are about the big orange man. For the last four years, Europe felt it could rely on its American ally when it came to trade and defence. But not anymore.

Starting point is 02:03:27 Donald Trump hates the ongoing US-EU trade deficit which continued to grow during his first term. It means America buys a lot more from the EU than it sells to the EU. Last month he said he told the European Union to close that deficit by the large-scale purchase of American oil and gas. Otherwise he'd use what he says is his favorite word. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tariffs. Tar Trump believes US import tariffs, which are basically a tax on imports, are lower than the EU's. Any questions? And he may be right. The World Trade Organisation says that in 2023 the average US tariff was 3.3%

Starting point is 02:04:14 compared to 5% in the EU. But that rises to 10% when it comes to importing American cars into the European Union. Which is why he's threatening the block with counter tariffs, a tactic that, for him, doesn't just apply to trade wars. We need Greenland for national security purposes. People really don't even know if Denmark has any legal right to it. But if they do, they should give it up because we need it for national security. And if Denmark wants to get to a conclusion, but nobody knows if they even have any right title or interest, the people are going to probably vote

Starting point is 02:04:51 for independence or to come into the United States. But if they did do that, then I would tariff Denmark at a very high level. On defense spending, he's already putting pressure on Europeans to spend more as a percentage of their overall economic output. Well, I think NATO should have 5%. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:05:09 Well, you can't do it at 2%. I mean, at 2%. Every country, if you're going to have a country in a regular military, you're at 4%. I think they should be, you know, they're in dangerous territory. I think it should be they can all afford it, but they should be at 5%, not 2%. I'm the one that got them to pay 2%. Now I played that for the 5% number, which I had not heard before. Had you heard 5% of GDP?

Starting point is 02:05:34 No. Well as it turns out the guy who used to be in human resources at Unilever, who ran the Netherlands into the ground for the past 12 years, who is now the head of NATO. He's our guy. He is selling. Our guy is Mark Rutte.

Starting point is 02:05:55 He works for us and he's doing a great job. I have some Dutch pride actually now. What I know from Donald Trump and from the incoming administration is that they were the ones pushing us for more defense spending. They were successful at this and they were right. They were right. They were right. Yes.

Starting point is 02:06:13 I mean, we did not spend enough and now luckily we are overall close to close to. This is interesting. Oh wait, it's so much better. Give that guy stroopwafel. We did not spend enough and now luckily we are overall close to the 2%. The problem is of course that in the meantime the 2% is not enough. It's not enough, we just heard Trump say it himself. And some of you asked me, okay what should it be? I don't want to commit to a number but yes as I said in my Carnegie, yeah you better say it because here's my number talk after my speech but you look so let's say at a sort of first glance

Starting point is 02:06:49 at the capability requirements emerging from the internal planning process with the NATO it will be north of 3% but then you're right if you do joint buying and making use of the NSBA Luxembourg structures and everything else listen to these Luxembourg structures we have all kinds of funny ways to make the mini-flow. You can pair with the NATO and the EU. You can deduct joint buying. You can deduct innovation, for example. He's selling. He's like, look, listen, you can afford this place. You can afford this house. You get to write off the mortgage. You write off your insurance. I mean it's, it's, it's a, this is a bargain.

Starting point is 02:07:25 Ukraine is experimenting with new radar systems which are extremely less expensive than some of the more traditional radar systems to, to detect enemy missiles coming in. Just one example. Cheap radar? What? Cheap radar. It's very cheap radar from Rayceon. We've got many more capabilities we can buy from America. To detect enemy missiles coming in, just one example. If you do that, deduct that, you don't have to get to the, to what we are afraid of you would need now, which is 3.6, 3.7.

Starting point is 02:07:59 So you would bring that number somewhat down, but it will be impressively more than the 2% we are at now, I'm afraid. But that is a structured process with NATO. We will conclude it over the coming month with the defense ministers, latest in June before the summit in The Hague. So now as a good salesman, he's going to look at the other side. He's going to look at your argument, why you shouldn't buy this, why you shouldn't buy

Starting point is 02:08:21 into this much higher defense spending on American gear. Oh, to have your own NATO fine go ahead then on the more autonomous European defense spell it's great to have a sort of European NATO but then forget about the 2% then you have to bring it up to 8 9 or 10% this guy's great forget about this forget about men 8 9 percent really you have to build your own nuclear capability and it will take 15-20 years. It will take forever. If you want to build a European NATO with it out to the US. At this moment, the US is spending over 60% of all the money being spent with NATO territory.

Starting point is 02:09:00 Over 60%. That means the other 31% are doing less than. Mark, get your math right. 40%, including Canada. So it is an illusion that you can build a European NATO over the next 10 or 15 years. And why would you? I mean the transatlantic relationship, I think, after the First World War, but particularly after the Second World War, has served us very well.

Starting point is 02:09:24 So why would we disconnect from the US? I would be against it. But again if you want this for ideological reasons. If you want this, if you hate the orange man that much it's okay. Then you have to quadruple or even more your defense spending and then it will still take you 10 or 15 years. Yeah so you go ahead you do that and meanwhile me, Mark Rutte, I'm going to close the deal now. I'm absolutely convinced the United States will stay within NATO. I'm not worried about that. But we have to make sure that the argument which the US had in the past and still can

Starting point is 02:09:56 have to a certain extent at this moment, that because of what they are spending, we can spend more on other stuff because they spent it on defense that we take out that argument by spending more ourselves and yes when I say spending more ourselves yet is better spending, joint procurement, innovation etc but again also more spending the 2% everything I'm seeing at this moment is not nearly enough and if we don't do it we are safe now but not in four or five years. Here comes the threat. So if you don't do it, we are safe now but not in four or five years. Here comes the threat. So if you don't do it, get out your Russian language courses or go to New Zealand

Starting point is 02:10:31 or decide now to spend more and that's exactly the debate we have to finalize over the next three or four months to stay safe in this part of the world and defend ourselves. You will be speaking Russian if you don't spend the money. I'm liking this guy now. You've always liked him. He's perfect for us. Because you can do him. Well, but he's perfect.

Starting point is 02:10:55 I had no idea that he is 100% military industrial complex shill. It's, I mean, surprise gambling going on here, but I mean, he's perfect for this. Cause you know, you can't argue that. You want to speak Russian? Go ahead. Don't, don't spend the moneys. We must decide this in three to four months. So the AFD people in Deutschland, they're seriously thinking of quitting NATO.

Starting point is 02:11:24 Deutschland, they're seriously thinking of quitting NATO. If Germany leaves, what's left? That's where the money is coming from. Wow. I don't know. It's going to be an interesting year. You know, Europe is, goes back hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years. They're always fighting with each other. And the fact that we've put this off somehow, where there hasn't been any real fights, you

Starting point is 02:11:53 know, since, since 1946, except for this Ukraine situation and a few miscellaneous bombings here and there in Serbia. Minor, minor stuff. Minor incursions. Yeah. It's a miracle. They were always at each other's throats, traditionally forever.

Starting point is 02:12:17 I don't see why that would change. It's got to come back. Well, if Germany, if the AFD helps Germany leave NATO, no, there it is. And isn't it always the Germans and the French? It's always the Germans and the French in some way, shape or form. I don't understand. I mean, the British are always in there too, fighting someone. They got nothing now.

Starting point is 02:12:39 They got nothing. Well, with that, how about I thank you for your courage. Yeah, you might as well. And say in the morning to you, the man who put the sea's incredible bull crap, say hello to my friend on the other end, the one, the only, the unimaginable John C. DeMore! Yeah, and good morning to you, Mr. Adam Carey. Also in the morning, ships and sea boots on the ground feeding the air subs in the water. The names of the nights out there.

Starting point is 02:13:06 Hello trolls! Here we go! Yeah, our peak was still 26.55. It was good. You know, everyone wants to hear what you have to say about TikTok. And I'm sure you will say I gave him too much. You did? Yeah. Well, we don't need to have a meeting about it. Message received. We don't have to have a meeting about it. We never have meetings about anything. Actually, we don't. I do have a late donation that came in over there. We'll talk about it as we get to the donation segment.

Starting point is 02:13:37 Oh, we typically don't do that. I know. I know. And that's what my complaint is. It'll be a big complaint. Well, what about the meeting about that late donation? We should have had a meeting. I could have brought it up, but I'll bring it up. You can talk about it after the show. In our pre-show meeting, where we... The pre-show meeting, which consists of in the morning and hit it.

Starting point is 02:13:59 Hit it, that's... That is how all meetings should go. If all corporations did meetings like we do them. There's also one, there's a variable, which is did you get the bonus clip? That is the third element. That is a big part of the meeting. That takes place occasionally.

Starting point is 02:14:14 That's rare. That is a big part of the meeting. Those trolls, by the way, are hanging out at trollroom.io, noagenda.stream, and there's a troll room where you sit there, you troll along. For some reason, people, there's like five guys in there. And all they say is, oh, that's fake and gay. That's all, that's the only line they have. That's the only line they have. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:14:38 Over and over again. It's just like, oh, wow. I don't, I, you need new material. You need new material, guys. Low T. Of course, you can also get the show live on a modern podcast app. Go to podcastapps.com and get one of them. It has the bat signal. We go live and you can listen live in your app, the same app, to get you all of your favorite podcasts.

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Starting point is 02:15:32 then you just send it back to us, time, talent or treasure. So let's start with the value we receive from our artists for episode 1730. We titled that one, Pam Bondage. Oh, by the way, I got a note from, let me see, where is it? From Trolldar. And he sent a picture of him at a rally where Pam Bondy was speaking. And he says, yeah, she may be telegenic, but in real life, she looks like Merle Haggard

Starting point is 02:16:04 in a blonde wig. Well, doesn't matter if you're telegenic. I thought that would just be something that you'd be interested in hearing about. Well, I have this theory, and so it's OK. Go ahead. What's the theory? I consider there's different kinds of beauty. And within this, I consider there's different kinds of beauty.

Starting point is 02:16:26 And in this, within the same person, there's three kinds of beauty you can, you can exhibit. One is in-person beauty. Some people that are just terrific looking in person. And then there's photogeneity, which is somebody looks great in a photograph. Photos, yes. And then there's telegenity, which is also similar, but it's not the same. And it's when people look good on video. And she is telegenic. She's a little photogenic. I've never seen her in person.

Starting point is 02:16:57 But I'm... You bring me back to my story about Marla Maples. Yes, you have mentioned this, but go ahead. The story about Marla... I got to meet Marla Maples. Yes, you have mentioned this, but go ahead. The story about Marla, I got to meet Marla Maples, Trump's wife, or became her wife, or became his wife. Was she married to the Donald at the time? No, she was not. She was single. Oh, you were like, hey baby. Yeah. You could tell she wasn't interested in anybody but someone bloated. But you could also tell this, for one thing, she was more beautiful than you can imagine,

Starting point is 02:17:31 to the point where she looked pretty in photos, but no. No, she didn't really look all that great in photos. It's okay. It doesn't matter not, because she was a killer and you knew from just looking at it, if she put her hooks in you, you were done. And that's what happened to poor Trump. The matter not because she was a killer and if you and she you knew from just looking at it If she put her hooks in you you were done and that's what happened to poor Trump now So I'm having a photo take a shoot in New York and with this photographer there Who's the guy is a picture now are you in the photo shoot or you producing? I'm the guy being shot by this by this photographer

Starting point is 02:18:04 Was a PC computing or something? It was I don't know. I can't remember. But it was I had had this shot. So I was in there talking to the guy and he's also did fine art. And I said, oh, you know, you know, I'm always trying to scrounge some free stuff. And so I somehow Marla Maples comes into the conversation. I said, you know, she's so pretty.

Starting point is 02:18:24 I've never seen a good and the guy jumps on it right away. And he says, I tried to take pictures of her and I couldn't capture it. It was the most frustrating experience I've ever had as a photographer. And so that was the, so she was of the one type only of beauty, but there are some people that are all three, which is very rare.

Starting point is 02:18:45 Now what did you talk about with her? With Marla Maples? Yeah. Oh I can't remember it was just you know your two your jaw drops when you're just chatting with her. She was on the phone almost all the time. It was Adam it was this is I'm not sound like a douche but it was that Bob I think we wishes the how do you spend us his last name the guy ran a hot Gucci Oni Gucci Oni Gucci Oni's man. It was a big house It was this big it was that was actually a whole flat Wait a minute, let me just get this straight You're doing a photo shoot for yourself and Bob Gucci Oni's mansion. Yeah, I like the way you conflate these things. No,

Starting point is 02:19:26 the photo shoot was like a year later. Oh, okay. I see. I'm at Guccione's mansion for some event because of something that was going on and they had a big party there. Computer party, no doubt. Yeah. And she was there and there's a bunch of these Guccione people there and the house was interesting. It was a big, it's a big, it's a bunch of these Guccioni people there and the house was interesting. It was a big, it's a townhouse. He had the whole townhouse. It was supposedly the biggest one in Manhattan, supposedly.

Starting point is 02:19:54 And yeah, it was very douchey. I don't know. I never went to Epstein's. I hope not. I mean, between Guccioni and the Grove. What is it? Bohemian Grove. Yeah, I know.

Starting point is 02:20:03 I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I mean between... But, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but,

Starting point is 02:20:11 but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, Pam Bondage, was no one less than Darren O'Neill, who has just become a force to reckon with when it comes to prompt jockeying. Who needs talent when you can prompt jockey? We know Darren has no talent, that's what's so great about it. And he did this, and what was really nice about it, it was a little different. I mean, first of all, it was a fabulous piece. Let's face it. It was like a movie poster in a postage stamp, Newsom's Inferno and above it, it had no agenda

Starting point is 02:20:57 studios and then produced by Curry and Dvorak. I mean, yes, that is insight. He does have ideas. He's got ideas. I don't know how that piece could even come, I mean, it's obviously AI, it's what he does now. That's what he does, yes. I don't know how this piece could have possibly

Starting point is 02:21:18 been generated by anything. Yeah. It's so good. Well, maybe he'll tell us. Maybe he can let us know how he did it. He sent us the prompts before. I'd like to just take those prompts that he did and then try them in different AIs and let's see if it comes out.

Starting point is 02:21:32 I mean, it's amazing. And the sad thing, of course, is he's usurping talented people. Oh, he's kicking their ass. It's, yes, it's sad. It's sad. But what are you going to do? I mean, this is, it's like disco all over again. You know, when everyone came in with the drum beats. Well, I'm reminded of Martin J.J. in the years past when he was dominating the art segment.

Starting point is 02:22:00 The art charts. The charts. The art charts. He was dominating for about, I don't know, two or three months. And he said, look, I'm dominating. It's ridiculous. I quit. Yeah, Darren.

Starting point is 02:22:12 Just saying. I don't want Darren to quit yet, but he's getting there. He is up there for sure. Let's see, there were some other things that we looked at, some other. I kind of liked the red note from Sir Shug, better than TikTok, try red note. But Tantanil had come in, which we're happy to see it's a yes or no question.

Starting point is 02:22:35 I take that as a no agenda, but it was just, I mean, it just couldn't compete. A lot of bondage picks, very funny. We don't typically put people on our art. People keep forgetting that. That's not really a rule, but generally we don't do that. What else was there? Merle Haggard with a wig. It finally hit, huh? What else was there? Merle Haggard with a wig.

Starting point is 02:23:06 It finally hit, huh? No, I got it the first time, but I'm just looking at this picture of her in the bondage outfit and it's like, I don't know. What was interesting is there was a meta piece as Tante Neil made a newspaper, no agenda newspaper, and in it she had Darren's image as it was as newsprint in the newspaper. Did you catch that? No. Look at if you look at the art are you looking at the art page? Yeah I got the art page. Yeah. You see? Which one is it? It's titled too soon, it's a newspaper and says Olympic Fire arrives in LA and then you see Darren's Newsom's Inferno image on the front page of the paper. It's very, very meta of her to do that. Well I'm not finding it.

Starting point is 02:23:51 Okay, go to it. You see Newsom's Inferno. Oh there it is. I see it too soon. Okay, let me look at it. Oh, that's interesting. That's very meta. Yeah. It's just too small. I mean that... Well, see, you can't see it and it's also kind of a boring composition. No offense, Tentative, but boring is what I would call it. And I saw that you used Commissar Bloggers looney tunes with Biden for the newsletter. Yes. By the way, that was an interesting newsletter.

Starting point is 02:24:29 You put it in a new feature, a new feature to tell us about this new feature. Cause people can subscribe to the newsletter. It's a point by point way of arguing some, some situation that exists. Uh, so it tells you what, you know, it's like the left says, they have these standard things they keep saying and then somebody argues against it. Nobody says anything correctly. And so this is a kind of, the idea is to create, about once a month I'll try to do this, a counterpoint or a counterpunch, which is the name of the article To some any point. I think I'd maybe Transsexuality or the gender

Starting point is 02:25:10 How about this I have a bonus clip? We try to do this now. Remember, this is the secret no agenda donation club Oh, that's interesting because after your bonus clip, I have a bonus clip Well, this is about the newsletter and specifically about the you had a name for it, you had a catchy name. Counterpunch. Counterpunch. A Wall Street Journal news report has put immigration advocates in Chicago on alert. If your family is picked up by ICE, we will give you an appointment to sit down with an

Starting point is 02:25:38 attorney or an accredited representative in Chicago to be able to start your legal screening seeing what the options are for your family. State and local leaders joined them Saturday morning. We did anticipate that Chicago would be first. Why? We were the first in the country to declare ourselves a sanctuary city. The Wall Street Journal's report says as early as next Tuesday, 100 to 200 ICE agents could be sent to the Windy City to begin a deportation operation. Those familiar with the plans told the journal the focus will be removing people who are here illegally with criminal backgrounds.

Starting point is 02:26:16 That assertion is to broaden the idea that immigrants are more prone to criminality. That's why we reject it. That's the big thing. That was your counterpunch. The perfect example and in the newsletter the counterpunch to that argument is outlined in great detail. Yes. Go look it up on the socials and every single show notes page, even on noagendashow.net, you can find a place where you can subscribe to the newsletter. It's well worth it. It had actual content. Yes, which never helps.

Starting point is 02:26:55 No, it doesn't help. Well, tell us about, so now we're going to move over to the treasure portion of our time. Well, before that that you want to play a bonus clip. A bonus clip, okay. This is an example of some, if you have your ducks in a row and you can make an argument, you can do a, which is the counter punch, we'll have a discussion of that. But here's an example of Megyn Kelly, who turns out to be getting pretty good at these rants because she's fast, she's quick witted, and she's got her... Very popular, very, very very popular rants from her. Yeah, and she nails it and she's short. Now, this is a rant from Megyn Kelly on Jennifer Aniston. It's 55 seconds. Tina told me about this one.

Starting point is 02:27:45 It's quite good. But think about how tight, how tight this 55 second rant is. And then try to be like this. You just saw Jennifer Aniston tweeted out about JD Vance's childless cat lady comments. I don't know if she saw that. She came out and said, oh, hope your daughter never needs IVF, which you will oppose. A lie. He doesn't oppose IVF.

Starting point is 02:28:03 He signed on to the Ted Cruz, Katie Britt bill protecting it in all 50 states. So she wanted to stand up for childless cat ladies because she's one of them. What she said about the women? What she say about the girl who got her face punched out by the man in the boxing ring? Zero.

Starting point is 02:28:15 What does she said about Peyton McNabb, who's suffering permanent nerve damage and brain damage from getting hit so hard in the face and the head by a volleyball player in North Carolina? Nothing. What she say about that girl who got all of her teeth knocked out in a field hockey game by a boy pretending to be a girl on her team? Zero. So I don't give a shit what she thinks about JD Vance and childless cat ladies. She masquerades as some protector of women. She's quite the contrary. She's never stood up on any of these issues.

Starting point is 02:28:43 This is the one she comes out on. You don't want childless cat ladies to be offended. That's where you're going to plant your flag. The problem is that Tina is a big fan of the Megyn Kelly show, but she doesn't really watch the whole show anymore. This stuff gets chopped up. it gets posted on, she's an Instagrammer, it gets posted on Instagram. And so she just looks for the clips and she'll play, you know, five to 15 minutes. She never really gets the whole show. And I think that, I think Megyn Kelly does a disservice by doing that. I mean, it's clearly her team that is doing that and her rants are perfect. In fact, she should be trending on TikTok. It's

Starting point is 02:29:23 perfect for TikTok. It's very TikTok-y. It's extremely TikTok-y. In fact, they have some good TikTok material coming up after the break. Well, we are very excited. First, we will thank our executive and associate executive producers as every single show. Part of the feedback loop of Value for Value is we thank everybody who supported us financially, $50 and and above as a special Hollywood insertion we like to thank our executive and associate executive producers and we don't just call them that it's also a credit you get on the show notes for each individual episode and these are very

Starting point is 02:29:57 real credits just like Hollywood you can use them anywhere that Hollywood would recognize them including IMDB $200 and above you get an associate executive producer credit and we read your note. $300 and above you get an executive producer credit and we read your note. Now do you have the late breaking donation you wanted to talk about first? Well the late breaking donation is $222 and so when we get to that. Oh okay. Then I will start with Zarin Denzel from Port Townsend, Washington. Huh. Isn't that up where you guys have a place?

Starting point is 02:30:30 Yeah. Port Townsend is the cool town. It's a little antique town on the coast. It's cool. It's cool. It is. If you go to Port Townsend, it's like a tourist trap. It's really a pretty little town. Well, you got good people there because Zarin Gives us a nice fat row of ducks 22 22 22

Starting point is 02:30:53 Thank you and says thanks for keeping me sane through these crazy times Can't really imagine living that without my new agenda ITM from Zarin that That's it. I love the note. Short note, beautiful, thank you. And clearly Zarin got some value from the show a lot and sent it back and we appreciate you. Yeah, this is the kind of donations we should be getting from the intelligence community. We don't know what Zarin does for a living, so we'll just keep that in the middle.

Starting point is 02:31:24 Well, if he's in poor towns, it seems unlikely, but you never know. Ty Glander's up next and he's also in Washington. He's in Kirkland. And we got a nasty note from somebody that works at Costco. Oh no. Saying, you know, Kirkland was only the headquarters of Costco for a while way back before I was there. And I've been there for 30 years. I did. I was unaware. Issaquah. Issaquah is where it's headquartered.

Starting point is 02:31:49 Issaquah, Washington, that's Costco. So we got the note, and the guy was very informative about all kinds of Costco inside the information. And did we learn about the hot dogs? Are they skimping on the bags? Are they skimping on the drinks? Did we get any information on that? He says that they have, the hot dog thing is a problem with the company because they've had the

Starting point is 02:32:10 drink. They used to be made, they used to have a Polish and a hot dog and they used to be made by I think it's Nathan's and yes it was the Nathan's yes and then there was a kosher kosher version some of yeah but it was done by a different company. Made by Oynathans. Oynathans. No, there's some other company. Hebrew. Hebrew National Song. Hebrew Franks, yes, you're right.

Starting point is 02:32:33 So there was the two and they said, oh, they were going broke. So they decided they were Costco. The Costco hot dogs are currently made by Costco. They were going broke? They were losing money on the hot dogs. Well, sure. They're eating the dogs. We were going broke. They were losing money on the hot dogs. Sure. They're eating the dogs. We're losing money. They're eating the dogs. So they said that would have been perfect for the clip.

Starting point is 02:32:53 Yes. So they making their own hot dogs now and they, and somebody bish about the buns being smaller. I didn't notice. That was me. That somebody was me. I noticed it. And he said that they don't have the... After COVID, they dropped the onions and the sauerkraut because of COVID. COVID. And so they stayed away from it because, you know, it's cost money. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:33:14 So they took... They took advantage of the situation. They took advantage of the situation, but this guy's an insider at Costco. So we have Costco questions. We can find out the answers. When is the cheap wine coming back? Give us a heads up. This guy's an insider at Costco, so we have Costco questions. We can find out the answers. Yes. When is the cheap wine coming back? Give us a heads up. He said the reason for the chicken change, because they used to be in the plastic.

Starting point is 02:33:35 Another show title, chicken change. Okay. Chicken is in a bag now, which is regretful. And everyone at the company knows it too. It's all for environmental reasons. Of course Washingtonians. All that plastic. Washingtonians, there you go.

Starting point is 02:33:49 That's it. Anyway, so we got Ty Glander here and he's in Kirkland, Washington, the former home of Costco. 63161 and he says to correct the record and get knighted. Sir Libra's birthday gift was to drive traffic to the best metal show in the value for value universe. That's sirlibra.com slash lightning dash thrashes. Yes. I'll put

Starting point is 02:34:16 a link in there. I think we can. I would like to be knighted as Sir Imp-perfect. Imp-perfect. Good. All right, you got it. We'll see you in a bit, Ty. Skylar Firestone. Now there's a DJ name, have you ever heard one? Hello everybody, Skylar Firestone with you, rockin' and rollin' from Liberty Hill, Texas, 34569. ITM, great show.

Starting point is 02:34:43 Your deconstruction is top keck and skibbity Riz as the kids would say Hey, you see how that rolled off my tongue Yeah, unfortunately Shout out to my smoking hot wife Michelle will need a de-douche You've been de-douche Also need a that's true and yak karma and the longest Al Sharpton you got well Well, I don't know about that. Why don't we play that? Let's play that. I like that climate change Al Sharpton. We'll play that one again for you. We haven't heard it enough. That's kind of funny.

Starting point is 02:35:14 Go team, go sports. That's true. Firefighters have been making progress in containing the raging Palisades and Eden fires. the devastation now ranks among the worst in California history. Meanwhile, the World Meteorological Foundation said Friday that 2024 was the hottest year on record. 1.5 degrees Celsius above pre-industrial levels, bringing the planet dangerously close to breaking the pledge made by global leaders under the 2015 Paris Climate Agreement.

Starting point is 02:35:59 You've got the gift that keeps on giving. Yeah, MSNBC's headliner. Sir Nick and Tucker Georgia comes in with 33333. I'll be as brief as I can, he writes, as all we have, as we all have, lives to live. I donate for many reasons, mostly because the show is more than often correct or on the right track. Adam once was pro XRP. I was never pro XRP. That's not true. I don't even know what that means.

Starting point is 02:36:34 It's a crypto, crypto coin. He seems now to be lukewarm. I'm here waving the flag again. Bitcoin is pathetically slow. Ethereum was given a free pass by the SEC even though the transactions are very expensive. XRP was created to interface with the swift banking system at almost zero cost. Hindsight is 20-20. XRP has tripled in the last six months because Gary Gensler lost his lawsuit. It hasn't happened since the inbred insider losers at the SEC lost their two-year long battle to try and squash Ripple. Then in all caps, if the federal government can't stop it,

Starting point is 02:37:13 why aren't you buying it? It's the only cryptocurrency with a green light. No jingles. Give me Carmen and the rest of the slaves. Or with the rest of the slaves sir Nick night of abundance Well, he gave us three hundred thirty three dollars. He must be doing well. I'm all for it. No Ripple is down five percent today, but okay good to go. You've got karma No, he thought was a wine what? That thought it was a wine I thought it was a wine. What?

Starting point is 02:37:42 I thought it was a wine. Okay, Sir Kevin Dills, Huntersville, North Carolina, 33333. We haven't heard from him for a while. No, well, he has complaints. Adam, you're chomping your teeth. Huh? Please send me a time code. I haven't.

Starting point is 02:38:04 No, I'm the one that catches this stuff. Yeah, I mean, I can't even chomp... Sometimes I notice this... But I don't think I've heard that on the show. Well, since I'm listening on speakers, it's possible I'm missing the subtlety of the chomping of the teeth. He says it breaks through the noise gate. It's distracting. Please stop. Also, please use your cough button. That's John, of the teeth. He says it breaks through the noise gate. It's distracting. Please stop. Also please use your cough button. That's John by the way. No, no. You

Starting point is 02:38:29 don't. You cough a lot on the show and you don't. And you have a cough button and I don't. Well get a cough button. No I just use the mute. You blow your nose. You're sneezing. Sometimes I blow the nose for effect. I mean I mean it's a good you yacking away on something and a nose blow right in the middle of it's perfect. For effects? Well, I use my cough button a lot when I cough. Believe me, the times that I don't use it is rare, but I shall pay attention and please

Starting point is 02:38:57 send me a time code for the so-called teeth chomping. I mean, they are new, so who knows? You're hurting my ear balls! You're hurting the show! That got my attention when you said that. Sir Kevin Dills, Duke of North Carolina. Thank you, brother. I will pay attention. Send me a time code. So Jim James in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma 33333 He writes, switcheroo. This donation is to the marriage of Gavin and Caitlin, Caitlin McMahon.

Starting point is 02:39:32 This isn't the vinyl you asked for, but it's an executive producership to your marriage instead. Vinyl, I wonder what that means. May God bless your union and may the love you have for each other today persevere until the end. Just some newlywed karma for the new couple. Goat Karma works for me. Thanks. You've got Karma.

Starting point is 02:40:00 We go to Pahrump, Pahrump, Nevada. Pahrump, Dame Sandcat is in Pahrump and says with her $333.33 donation, any rev-al please. I'm glad you asked. Los Angeles County has declared a public health emergency due to the air quality. Officials warn the biggest threats are smoke and particular Matters which they say may cause long-term health of things particular matters. Thank you Rayval All right, so now we're at the associate executive producer level and so I have to bring in the bonus Donation. Okay, this must be some went back and forth back and forth, back and well, it came in from a vault.

Starting point is 02:40:45 What is the rule? Tell people the rule first. The rule is, the rule. The rule! Is you've got to get your donation in by midnight Pacific time. Not while the show is being produced. So this came in at seven in the morning because somebody rolled out of bed and said, Yeah, I haven't donated for a yeah, I haven't donated for awhile. And so I think I'll donate. And so we went back and forth. I said, yeah,

Starting point is 02:41:10 it's too late. That's money. So this is Dana Brunetti. Really? Oh, you're sucking up to Hollywood. 222-22, Roeducks. Oh please. Roeducks, 220, yeah I knew you'd be offended. He gets special treatment because he's Hollywood? I gave him grief for this because it's like, you know, you're Hollywood, and he's like

Starting point is 02:41:40 you, he's anal. He's like a neat freak and he's a guy who would go, ah he's rules, he rules, he goes on. But anyway, so he has this note which I thought would be worth reading. If I can just say for those who are new to the show, Dana Bernetti, producer of such fine entertainment as Fifty Shades of Grey, Fifty Shades of Greyer and More Greyer Than Fifty Shades, House of Cards, Gran Turismo, and many, many more fine entertainment products. Well, he's an entertainment product guy who's retired.

Starting point is 02:42:13 Uh-huh. That's what I say. Sure. He's serious. So he's writes a note. He wanted this note read, I think more than anything. Here's the note. We need to discuss tip of the day.

Starting point is 02:42:31 And he's making waves. Okay. All right. It's gone from Tmoo to how to look people up online. Very dangerous and addictive. We don't want it ending up banned in the U S like TikTok. Get it together, JC. Then he says, this donation is a switcheroo and the secretary slash the secretary slash associate producer credit. He can't stand that. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:43:02 He, he's got a beef about about this about the credit itself as a Yeah, hey give us 10 grand and we'll change it. Goes to the richest man, my best buddy and Adam's favorite agent provocateur Elon Musk. Oh brother. Signed the governor of El Dorado. Well, you know, perhaps the governor should look at Elon Musk being outed as a phony expert gamer, which is all the rage now everyone's talking about it. I don't know anything about this.

Starting point is 02:43:32 Well, I think it was on Rogan and he was showing this video of how good he was at gaming. Turns out he has some Chinese guy doing it for him. He's a Chinese guy doing his tweets too come on well for sure he's got writers I mean does he even do anything he does anything all right well we will alert Elon of this this switch your room so do I just put Elon Musk in the credits yeah I put Elon Musk in the credits? Yeah, I put Elon Musk in the crowd What was it was two two two was what it was two two two two two It was a row of ducks as the small row of ducks

Starting point is 02:44:13 Elon the associate producer length row of ducks Elon Musk is an Elon Musk Coincidentally from Austin, Texas What he's in Austin, Texas? Oh, that's where he lives? Yes. Oh, I don't know. Yeah, he lives in Austin. I thought he moved to the coast so he'd be near his launch pad. Yeah, we're just going to call it Austin.

Starting point is 02:44:32 We're just calling it Austin. All right, very good. Then I'll do Kurt, who also is in Austin. Now Kurt should have gone first because he has 263.22, but oh no, breaks on for Dana Brunetti the big Hollywood star. Kurt K of Austin, Texas. My last name is produced is Kiefer which you probably just mispronounced again. No, I can read ahead. It's pronounced Kiefer not Kee-far. You have all caps here. Moving right along. I decided to replace my very old WBEZ NPR coffee mug from my previous life in Chicago with a spiffy new Noagenda 15 ounce mug from Noagendashop.com.

Starting point is 02:45:14 Why? Because NPR sucks. I can't believe I contributed to the Wackadoodles over at America's Treasure, that's our national treasure for so many years. All my money now goes to you guys. John, it's paying off. It's paying off. Once again, a big thanks to my Austin native, free thinking, brilliant, drop dead, gorgeous

Starting point is 02:45:32 wife Beth for turning me on to no agenda. Continue jobs karma for my dear sister Carrie. Love you guys, the producers and boobs. All the best. Kurt. Thank you, Kurt. Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. All the best, Kurt. Thank you Kurt. Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs. Let's vote for jobs. I think that makes us assume that Beth has nice boobs. Yeah, it sounds like it. Yeah, Eli the coffee guy's up. He's in Bensonville, Illinois, $201.19 and he

Starting point is 02:46:04 says, well that was an interesting four years. I guess we'll have to wait and see what the next four years will bring. Then he goes on to say, I do believe centuries from now, historians will say the mid 2020s was the golden era for the best podcast in the universe. I'd say probably true. Maybe. What a time to be alive. I'm just glad to be along for the ride, caffeinated and motivated. Jingles. I love caffeinated and motivated. We've got an attitude for gratitude. Yeah, baby. We've got an attitude for gratitude. Yeah, baby. in your future. Stay caffeinated, Eli the Coffee Guy. Four more years! Jobs, jobs, jobs! Oh, that fits.

Starting point is 02:47:11 You've got karma. That actually sounds really good. I'd never considered that. Those two together? Four more years! Jobs, oh wait. Four more years! Jobs, jobs, jobs! That's a great fit. Not bad. That's a good fit. Thanks, Eli. And curiously, also requesting Trump jobs karma is Linda LuPatkin from Lakewood, Colorado

Starting point is 02:47:37 with $200. Who doesn't know her? Jobs Karma Trump version. And for a resume that gets results visit image makers inc.com your go-to for all your executive resume and job search needs that's image makers inc. with a K and work with Linda Lou Duchess of Jobs and writer of resumes jobs jobs you've got karma nice Nice. Wrapping things up is Darren Kirby in Portland, Oregon. Portland, huh?

Starting point is 02:48:10 Hello, John and Adam. Hello. Thanks from Darren Kirby at Dimlin's Lamp, Lamp Lighter and Keeper of the Scrolls. First time donor, I invite no agenda listeners everywhere to advertise a business card affordably on scrolls.com. I invite no agenda listeners everywhere to advertise a business card affordably on scrolls.com. That's S-C-R-O-L-Z. That's with one L followed by a Z. Yeah, I figured that. If on the throne for relief from boredom and grief you will be amused to find fun, fast, and entertaining tidbits on Scrolls.com, please at least some karma and maybe chimes or bells, respectfully Darren Kirby in Portland.

Starting point is 02:48:53 Donate! Donate! Donate! You've got karma. Everybody loves that chime. Do you still have that thing? You have it laying around? What was that thing called? We both had one of those. It was very annoying.

Starting point is 02:49:17 It made dogs bark, babies cry. You know, oh yeah, I do. It's right here. You are the true archivist. You actually should be holding onto the 28th amendment. No, no, no, no. It's the, it's the piece of metal you strike. No, that's not it. That's not it. Chimes. So you're talking about the energy chime, the energy.

Starting point is 02:49:37 You're talking about this. Yeah, there it is. Maybe there you go. Thank you all very much, executive and associate executive producers. Again, these credits are completely real. You can use them anywhere. Show business people hang out. Go to Danny Brunetti.

Starting point is 02:49:55 Go up to his ranch and say, excuse me, I'm executive producer. You're a lowly secretary associate executive producer. Yeah, it's funny I didn't mention his name. I should mention, I'll tell you where he lives. He's in bum fuck shingles. And he's the governor apparently. We'll be thanking everybody $50 and above in a few minutes. Remember we do have John's Tip of the Day coming up,

Starting point is 02:50:17 created by Daniel Brunetti, and I think we have some talk clips coming. So once again, thank you all for supporting us with your time, your talent, and your treasure. Our formula is this. We go out, we hit people in the mouth. What up? What up? Four bars!

Starting point is 02:50:38 Yeah! Shut up! Sleep! Hehehehehe Whoo! Alright, you're up. Sleep. Woo. All right. You're up, I guess. Tik Tok. Tik Tok. All right. This should be the last of the, the Lulu clips. You must be very happy that Tik Tok is back on the air.

Starting point is 02:50:57 I don't really care. Oh, what else are you going to do with your time? What are you going to doom scroll? LinkedIn? See, I don't use, I use the online app. It's not an app, it's a website. Oh yes. You and Soda Maior. Yes. I don't even do that. I let other people clear these clips. I don't even really look at any of this. Just so you know, just so you know, the website is stealing your contact list. Yeah, I bet it is.

Starting point is 02:51:22 I heard it. So let's, let's start with the, with the great, this, this funny looking guy that comes on and he's been talking about Trump being arrested. And fortunately he went on and on. So there's a two parter, but this is the dilulu talk dilulu dude. One. He is not going to be sworn in and he will not be our next president. How I know that for certain comes from the knowledge of some information I

Starting point is 02:51:47 found out last night that I didn't know. Um, you know, we all know that when Biden was, uh, sworn in, the one person not president at his inauguration was who? Donald Trump. He lacked the character to be there to share in another man's joy, to have the character to say, you know, I didn't win the election, you did, but here's a guy that's been given everything on a silver platter his whole life. He was born on third base and thought he hit a triple.

Starting point is 02:52:16 He couldn't be at Joe Biden's inauguration. So what I found out last night, you know, I'm thinking, when is Donald Trump going to be arrested? And now I know that he's going to be arrested at his inauguration because there's going to be three people not present there. Barack Obama, George W. Bush and Bill Clinton and their wives will not be present at Donald Trump's inauguration on Monday.

Starting point is 02:52:41 They will not be there. Not just because they know that he's an asshole, they don't want to be near him or around him, but because it's a security risk. It's a security risk that they don't want our presidents to be subject to. The inauguration, the steps that have been taken, 30 miles of high quality, well-built fencing. This is very difficult to negotiate. It's not easy to get over. 30 miles of that.

Starting point is 02:53:10 Cement blocks and 25,000 law enforcement officers. Those things are in place to quench a second insurrection because the powers that be know that the proud boys and girls there that weren't that are invited in Washington DC this Sunday to celebrate Donald Trump's victory. That's why you invited them in on Sunday so they can celebrate. He knows that they're there to come to his back because he knows something's up to have his back on Monday. The systems are in place. They can't have his back. To have his back on Monday the systems are in place. They can't have his back You know what these guys are missing or what they miss because this is obviously is going to be the last Lulus we have quantum dots. Well, they need a cue. They need their version of cue like Zed Zed says

Starting point is 02:53:57 You know, they need they need yeah, right that there is a missing element here. We're we're left Hanging by he did who he had this information that was provided by who by what? Anyway, he wraps up really with a short. I had to put this in his arrest of it. They can attempt to have his back, but they'll be arrested and put down. So there you go. This is probably one of my most meaningful videos.

Starting point is 02:54:20 When I'm reaching out to you, hopefully it'll be one of my shortest. I'm learning to curb it. I'm going to be better. I'll be better at providing information and not going on so long. Please. The 15th, a hearing on election interference. The next day, yesterday, Joe Biden signs an addendum to an executive order 13694, making it a crime to undermine the election process, which Donald Trump's guilty of. And that's the final piece of the puzzle.

Starting point is 02:54:47 Done. They had to wait this long. And everybody's like, why couldn't they have done it weeks ago? They couldn't. Kamala had to certify the ballots so that no Republican attorneys can raise their freaking ugly heads and question anything. It's a lockdown. It's locked.

Starting point is 02:55:00 All the, everything has been done legally. Donald Trump was never going to take office. Oh boy. What are they going to do with these people? I'd like to know because I got two more of these people. Okay. I get, this one here is my favorite of the group. This is They Got Him.

Starting point is 02:55:18 Oh brother. They got him. They got him. They got him. They got him. They got him. They got him. They got him. They got him. They got him. They got him. And in the event that this really is like the end of TikTok in America, which I still don't fully believe, but yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna say it. They got him. The three letter agencies, the government, whoever, whoever you want to say. They got him. He's not going to be inaugurated. He is going to be punished for his crimes, both proven and still in the works. But yeah, I don't think he's going to take office. And even if who we want to take office doesn't, honestly, as long as it's not him, that's fine with me. Although I do hope to God that it doesn't turn out

Starting point is 02:56:04 to be a process where it's JD or Little Johnson because that's not much better. But yeah, I mean, we heard that his inauguration was moved inside because of security and not because of weather, like he said. So I don't know. Nice fade out on the music. So I saw a bunch of pictures this morning that NYPD is there.

Starting point is 02:56:27 I don't know if that's like the norm or a regular thing just to have extra, you know, protection there or whatever, but NYPD is there lining the streets. Something's gonna happen. He's not gonna make it with some like geo prism, even predicting that there's gonna be like a great switch. So we'll see. We'll see. We'll see. But like I was saying, if this is the last app, the last day of this app, excuse me, sorry, this is the last day of this app, then like they,

Starting point is 02:56:59 they got him. Even if we don't see the takedown on TikTok like we want to see it or even if we do, you know I don't we do that would be great, but it's rest assured It'll be okay and We're good. They got him. Well now I understand why the troll room continuously says it's all fake and gay And you had something to say about my Supreme Court clips? And then we have, and then we have, I'll let that slide. And then we have the talk, reason Trump going inside.

Starting point is 02:57:38 Because he's done, they got him, it's all over. He's getting arrested. He's done, he's done, arrest him. Kamala is going to be president. So you may have heard that the Trump team is moving their inauguration ceremony from outside to inside in the rotunda. And they are saying it's because of frigid temps, but it's actually because they are expecting some of the lowest turnouts ever for an inauguration. And I know this very well from working with campaigns. If you know you're going to be

Starting point is 02:58:00 short people, you move to a smaller space, move everybody to the front, take the pictures from the back. And that's what they're going to do. No one was going to, well, it's going to be 12 degrees. Yeah. I mean, but people were still going to show up probably. Oh yeah. Oh man. Oh man. Is that it? Is that, does that conclude our, I think of the Trump stuff. yeah. There's one other clip which has got nothing to do with it and it'll be used as appropriate. We put it in abeyance for now.

Starting point is 02:58:34 Yes, in abeyance. Now I got the free speech clips of the UK which are interesting. The UK is a very interesting study from the perspective of free speech because... George Orwell. There isn't any. What has been going on there has been kind of a shocker. Yeah, I have to, I gotta call my buddy Michelle. Is this about the pubs? Is that what this is?

Starting point is 02:58:55 No, this is not about the pubs. This is about the whole problem with the universities. This is why they're making a big fuss at some of the universities because they've decided that free speech is a good idea. Let me just read you the headline. Labor's pub banter crackdown. Landlords could ban... Oh, yes, I heard it. I don't have a clip on this.

Starting point is 02:59:14 This is a great... Well, how is this even... This is beyond me what's going on. Landlords could ban drinkers from talking about controversial topics that bar workers think are offensive. So a landlord can kick you out if you're running a bar on their property. I guess this is why I have to call Michelle because he knows this stuff. It's like, yeah, there is no free speech in the UK. None. Zero. Zip. Nada.

Starting point is 02:59:44 Why? I wonder why Scott, how Scott Galloway is doing. He bought a house there. He moved to London. So he could talk about football. Oh, please. All right. Free speech in UK universities. Britain will enact free speech legislation for universities amid mounting calls from leading academics, but only partially. The British government is seeking to repeal some provisions of the incoming law, which it deems burdensome. NTD's international correspondent Malcolm Hudson

Starting point is 03:00:15 has more on this from London. Free speech in UK universities is now set to be better secured with a law aiming to protect students and teachers from cancel culture, though the British government is currently implementing only parts of the law after previously pausing the full version, and this after continued and mounting pressure from academics and free speech advocates who wanted the law enacted. Education Secretary Bridget Phillipson paused the Higher Education Freedom of Speech Act just before it was due to take effect last August, due to concerns that the law was burdensome while not addressing hate speech on campuses.

Starting point is 03:00:56 However, almost 700 academics, including several Nobel Prize winners, called on Phillipson to implement the law to protect free speech. On Wednesday Philipson confirmed key provisions will be brought into force. The ability of our academics to explore and express new ideas through teaching and research is precious and we must protect it. These fundamental freedoms are more important, much more important, from the wishes of some students not to be offended. She said universities are not a place for students to shut down any view with which they disagree. Provisions to enact include the higher education regulator the office for students will have the power to investigate complaints over breaches of free speech as well as the power to issue fines

Starting point is 03:01:41 for breaches. The act will also require all universities to have robust codes of conduct to ensure the protection of free speech. Universities that break the rules will be publicly held to account and could end up paying compensation, fines or even be suspended. Just one of the many reasons we left you guys. You're crazy. You're totally crazy. This all seems to be about just banning the term Paki. Really? I mean, the whole thing is crazy there. And they, you know, they don't want, they're like the Australian guy who

Starting point is 03:02:17 doesn't, he wants to make memes illegal. So now Elmer Fudd. They do not have any version of a First Amendment. They have the Magna Carta, which I think says something maybe about religious freedom possibly. But this is a, wow, this is a problem. Where's the revolt, Brittain? It's beyond me but here's the second part of this series. Philipson is seeking to repeal other parts of the legislation. The first is the duties on student unions in the Act. Students' unions are neither equipped nor funded to navigate such a complex regulatory environment.

Starting point is 03:03:00 She's also seeking repeal of another provision, one which would allow individuals to sue institutions that failed to comply with freedom of speech requirements. She said this... It would create costly litigation that risks diverting resources away from students at a time when university finances are already strained. The Department for Education also said overseas transparency provisions in the Act will be kept under review. These provisions were meant to prevent anonymous donations to universities amid concerns about foreign interference. Responding to Philipson, Shadow Education Secretary Laura Trott asked what changes to the overseas funding provisions are being considered.

Starting point is 03:03:42 Can she confirm that none of these were discussed in the Chancellor's recent visit to China? And can she confirm that there were no deals done to amend this clause? Philipson did not respond to this question at the time. Where's Nigel Farage? Where are these people? Where's the outrage? There's none. There's none. There's no outrage. I don't least I don't not that I can see I Haven't seen any it's very Remember the we didn't talk about it, but there was a starmer Who's really freaked out about the fact that that Trump's henchman? You know much hatchet man hatchet man. Yeah hatchet man. I'm sorry. You're right

Starting point is 03:04:25 Yeah, it's going after him for being a pedophile. Not for being a pedophile, for protecting the pedophile. Rapists. Yes, yes. But he's, and Starmor made some comment about, they're going to ask for the extradition of American citizens who get involved in British politics and make commentary of some sort that's against their laws,

Starting point is 03:04:54 which means Musk. I don't know what they're going to do. This is just crazy. By the way, did you see the news about Darren Bell, the prize-winning cartoonist? Oh, yes. Yeah. He's done some really odd, groomer-like cartoons. There was a meme about it, which I was going to use, I'll probably put it in the next newsletter, it's quite funny. Yeah, that guy.

Starting point is 03:05:23 Yeah, he was a nasty editorial cartoonist. We don't know that he is. He's been arrested on it. No, I say he's nasty. Nasty editorial cartoonist. He was a mean-spirited nasty editorial cartoonist that used to give Trump grief, for one thing or another, especially his supposed assault on that crazy woman in Bloomingdale. Oh, in Bergdorf. Bergdorf, yeah, like there's nobody around.

Starting point is 03:05:56 In Bergdorf. And so he's that guy. And then the next thing you know he was accused of being Uploading child pornography. Oh, man. Yeah scourge. What a scourge. Yeah alleged scourge Well speaking of Elon Elon It's amazing what kind of press the guy can get amazing tonight these spectacular images of debris a blaze in the sky above the Caribbean the space With spectacular images of debris ablaze in the sky above the Caribbean, the SpaceX Starship blew apart and crashed back down to Earth.

Starting point is 03:06:29 The FAA now requiring SpaceX launch an investigation into the mid-flight failure. The incident forced flight delays and diversions around Florida. Some pilots concerned midair. It's got a major streak going from at least 60 miles with all these different colors. Just curious, it looked like it was coming towards us. This was the seventh test launch of the rocket. The reusable booster successfully hauled in by the so-called chopsticks of Mechazilla.

Starting point is 03:07:00 Mechazilla has caught the booster. Woo! SpaceX lost communications with the ship just minutes later. Company saying they believe a fire caused it to break apart. SpaceX is asking anyone who finds debris to report it to them and the Starship will be grounded until SpaceX and the FAA completes this investigation. I love it. I love it.

Starting point is 03:07:22 Was this the moon launch? Was this the one that was supposed to go to the moon? I think it. I love it. Was this the moon launch? Was this the one that was supposed to go to the moon? I think so. Forget the Van Allen belts. You can't even get above the clouds. But hey, man. Hey, man. It's really awesome how the booster gets caught by by Mechazilla, man. That's really awesome. That's really fantastic. That's real awesome. Okay Get me to the moon. We did it 60 years ago. Awesome, that's really fantastic. That's real awesome. Okay Get me to the moon. We did it 60 years ago in some rickety piece of aluminum

Starting point is 03:07:56 You know you know me John At least you're consistent. I am very consistent Imagine all the people who could do that. Oh yeah, that'd be fab. Yeah, on No Agenda in the morning. Everybody is very nervous about the tip of the day because now that the creator himself, Dana Brunetti, Dana Brunetti has showed up on the scene and is making waves. We're very curious. Everyone loved the dash cam one. I saw people posting pictures of it and links to it and everyone's like, Oh, that's a huge hit. And you know, you got some free gear out of it,

Starting point is 03:08:40 which reminds me, because we're going to thank everybody $50 and above, I want to thank Sean Homan in Noblesville, Indiana, who comes in with 148.48, which he says was a show 17.30 donation. I guess that was, what was the number for show 17.30? It wasn't 148.48, that must be with fees. It wasn't 148.48. That must be with fees.

Starting point is 03:09:04 Well, it's his first donation and a switcheroo for his wife. They just had the fourth human resource. It was their first boy, finally. And then he says, everyone go to StealthArms.net. And the reason why I say that is because, you know, you got yourself a dash cam. He sent me a platypus. A what? A platypus. A what? A platypus.

Starting point is 03:09:28 You don't know what the platypus? No, I don't know anything about what you're talking about. Oh, the platypus. That is the hottest handgun going on these days, the platypus. It's a plat, it's called a, you're shooting a gun called a platypus? It actually looks a bit like a platypus,

Starting point is 03:09:44 with a big... Was it just spray bullets every which way or what to do? I don't know. You got a big bill on the end? Kind of. I got to go pick it up. I'll pick it up tomorrow. I'll let you know. So anyway, that's it. You can continue. Oh, what was I doing? You're going to pick it up with Sir Stuart in Staffordshire.

Starting point is 03:10:07 Oh, no. Oh, I'm sorry. You got me all confused. Yes, Sir Stuart. I'm sorry about that. Sean Homan was the first. He's in Noblesville. Okay. You read that. Yes, I did because he gave me a platypus. I didn't get a platypus. What am I going to get a platypus? You got a dash cam. Platypus is more interesting.

Starting point is 03:10:31 Well, you got to talk to Sean. Got gypped. You sure did. You got gypped. That is as bad as saying, Paki, my friend, you can't say gypped anymore. Surely you know this. Yes.

Starting point is 03:10:53 Why can't I say gypped? What is the reason? It hurts gypsy's feelings. You know, curiously I had one gypsy who told me that. Yeah, and did he beat you up? No. Did he pickpocket you?

Starting point is 03:11:08 Did he read your fortune? Okay, onward. Sir Stuart Stafford Stafford, these are the donations of... Pickpocketed me. You're bad. Yeah. Sir Stuart Stafford, Staffordshire, UK, 12433. David, David, Stavid, Baron I think he's by now, Gladstone, Missouri, David Fugazoto, 12433. There you go, there you go. Dame Roundstone in Trumbull, Connecticut 12433. These are all the donations for the inauguration.

Starting point is 03:11:52 12025. Right. Plus the uh... Interesting how the fees bring it to a 33. Magic number everywhere. It's amazing. Yeah, I found that to be peculiar. Indeed.

Starting point is 03:12:04 James Fitzgerald and Palmer Lake, Colorado I'm just gonna read them all these all these these are all donations and for the Trump coronation Marianne Delphi James Fitzgerald's in Palmer Lake, Connecticut a caught Colorado. I'll get it Marianne Delphi Delphia in Colorado, I'll get it. Mary Ann Delphia in Garrettsville, Ohio. Michael Kellner in Rippon, California. Nathan Cochran in Franklin, Tennessee.

Starting point is 03:12:33 Sir Nathan, it's your mercy me, boys. Yes, yes, right. Need to see. Yes, you do, desperately. You need it. Yeah, well, next time you're out here, uh, or just come by, we'll go have dinner with the band. You can hang out with the band at dinner.

Starting point is 03:12:54 Have dinner with the band. Bring them over. Yeah. Uh, Dame Melavation, Melavation, Malavation, Malavation, Colorado Springs, 12025. John Wynn in Austin, Texas. These are all the 12025s. This worked out. Aaron Mullet, as in Mullet in Gossian, Indiana. Sir Richard Hufford. He says, please deduce the newsletter works. I think

Starting point is 03:13:27 we should at least do that since he complimented you on the newsletter. You've been deduced. He did. That was a good newsletter. It was. I liked it. Sir Richard Hufford in Tempe, Arizona. Digi in Indianapolis, Indiana and last on our little list is Steven Carr in Miami Springs. I didn't even know there was a Miami Springs apparently Florida all right onward with Kevin McLaughlin Conquer North Carolina's the Archduke Aluna lover of America and boobs

Starting point is 03:14:06 8008. Stephen Colgazier. Gazier. Gazier. That's probably what it is. And Fernandina Beach. Fernandina Beach, Florida. A lot of beaches in Florida, I might add. 75. This is fourth donation. Okay. Sir Selviren in Silver Springs, Maryland. 67, 67. Sir Kevin O'Brien in Chicago. 606. Sir Don. 606. Love is lit. Les Tarkowski in Kingman, Arizona. 6006. Small boob fans boob fans Lydia Terry in Rochester New

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Starting point is 03:15:36 Economic Hitman in Tumble, Texas 50-01 and now he got the $50 donors name and location as appropriate. Anchi Yager in Barn, Netherlands. Luke Olsen in Alexandria, Virginia. That's our spook area and that's all the $50. No offense to Luke. Corey Bennett in Denver, Colorado. Scott Lavender in Montgomery, Texas. Diane Schwannabach, uh, parts on loan.

Starting point is 03:16:08 She's got a happy birthday coming up. Andrew Gusick, Sir Andrew in Greensboro, North Carolina, 50. Bart in Dordrecht. Dordrecht, yeah, you got pretty close. Uh, Holland, uh, and it's a note of some sort. Is this because of a knighting? I can't tell. It's all in book.

Starting point is 03:16:25 No, no, it's not. He just, he says, go Jesus. Oh, okay. Well, I guess that's, yeah. Sir Canna Beak and Dame Tracy. Cane Break. Cane Break. Cane Break, Cane Break. And Dame Tracy together in St. George, Louisiana.

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Starting point is 03:17:12 I want to forward it to him. Yeah, Greg Birch seems to be overboard. Oh, well, then that won't help, will it? Yeah. Well, thank you all very much. $50 and above. Under $50, we do not mention for reasons of anonymity, but we always appreciate it when you do one of those sustaining donations,

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Starting point is 03:18:43 In fact because of your contribution the amount of $1,000 or more you qualify I'm very proud to pronounce Kate the as sir imperfect that's right sir imperfect for you we have hookers and blow rent poison chardonnay prostitutes and cigars along with that harlots and aldol redheads and rise beers and blunts we've got cowgirls and coffee you can cough and and varnish. Ruben S. Womann and Rose, Geisen and Sake, Vodka and vanilla bong, Hits of bourbon, ginger ale and gerbils, mutton and mead. And as always, at every single round table,

Starting point is 03:19:12 what everybody loves. No, it is the mutton and mead. I screwed up. I gave you twice the amount of mutton and mead. Hope you don't mind. In the meantime, while you're munching on that mutton, sipping on that mead, go to noagenderings.com. That's where everybody can take a look at those beautiful Knight and Dame rings. They are quite handsome and quite beautiful. And

Starting point is 03:19:34 you, sir, will use the handy ring sizing guide to give us your ring size and an address. Send it off to the address listed there and we'll get it to you as soon as possible. It is a Cygnet ring so you can imprint your ITM, hit-em-in-the-mouth credentials on your important correspondence with the wax that we supply. And as always, it comes with a certificate of authenticity. Ty, welcome to the roundtable. No agenda meetups. No agenda meetups. That's where you bring your attitude of gratitude because connection is protection and these are your first responders in an emergency.

Starting point is 03:20:11 You can all find NoAgendaMeetups.com, the listing of every single meetup that is planned and scheduled. They are all producer organized. We just love when people do this and we love the reports that you send and especially if they come from faraway lands such as Buenos Aires. Hola, John and Adam. This is a meetup report from Buenos Aires, Argentina. Commodore Dalton S.

Starting point is 03:20:37 Fisher here. Thank you for your courage. Hi, Adam, John in the morning. Hello there. Here it is, the Mateo Grispo in flesh. He doesn't know the show, but we're going to get him to listen to it anyway. There you go. There you go, John.

Starting point is 03:20:53 Buenos Aires. We can make a trip. We do a remote. We have some eskies. Some people have taken us around and show us the sights. And some people are very smart when they title their meetups after well-known brands. This comes from Keen, New Hampshire.

Starting point is 03:21:09 It is the TooManyEggs.com meetup. This is Emily, resist we much. John and Adam, how are you? You guys are great. We enjoy it. This is Too Many Eggs meeting number nine. And it's a pleasure to be here with you guys. Moving along. Hi, John and Adam, this is Bri Bri.

Starting point is 03:21:26 I like the show. Keep doing what you're doing. It's good stuff. Hi TM gentlemen, this is Crypto Duke. I guess we had a lot of shy people, which is why we have a big gap. So that's why. Anyway, thank you again for the great show

Starting point is 03:21:39 and we're having a great time here at Margaritas and Keen. Woo hoo! Woo hoo! Yes indeed, and our final Meetup Report comes from Central Ohio. Good evening gentlemen, this is Wild Bill of Ohio. We are at Dempsey's for the Central Ohio Meetup and we're playing Slappy Birds. It's Flappy Bird but same thing. ITM gentlemen, this is Sir Rod, Knight of the Crocs and Socks hanging out with the Central

Starting point is 03:22:03 Ohio Meetup crew. Happy to have Sir PBR Street Gang and Dame Trinity here with us from Indiana. My passive phone. Thank you for your courage. In the morning, Dame Trinity, having a great time at Dempsey's. Sir PBR Street Gang coming directly from Dempsey's,

Starting point is 03:22:20 downtown Columbus, having another great meetup. Sir Dempsey, he does, no, hold it. It's Sir Larry at Dempsey's downtown Columbus having another great meetup sir Dempsey. He does no hold it. It's sir leery at Dempsey's good to go great meetup Love having these folks sir leery here. Sorry about that delay there, but we've got real roses in the glasses here It's really nice. So if you want a good join a meetup, we'll see you in February Ciao in the, bag slappers. John, go back on who are these podcasts.

Starting point is 03:22:49 Adam, you need to go on who are these podcasts. Join the Dabbleverse, guys. Dabbleverse. In the morning. In the morning. A reminder to get your servers on these meetup reports. We love hearing from them as well, and that's a good person to hit in the mouth. The Noagin the Mug Club Media Meetup is well underway as we speak in Blackfin Ameripub, We love hearing from them as well and that's a good person to hit in the mouth the no agenda mug club media meetup

Starting point is 03:23:05 As well underway as we speak in black fin America pub Ballantine. That's in Charlotte, North Carolina We have tomorrow that'll be a tomorrow also Presidents Day. I think it is No, it's Martin Luther King. Is it Martin Luther King day? It's a holiday. Yeah, you're you won't get your mail. Oh Man I'm gonna miss my mail. What else is going on tomorrow? Oh yeah. That's right. The shrunken amygdala inauguration celebration, seven o'clock at March 1st brewing in Cincinnati, Ohio. And on Wednesday, the outer swamp meetup in Java nation, Rockville, Maryland. There's many, many,

Starting point is 03:23:42 many more fantastic meetups scheduled. I do apologize to the outer swamp. Somehow they slipped through the cracks. Make sure if you're in Rockville, Maryland or in Spookville Nation over there to go to Java Nation 6 o'clock on Wednesday. As I said, many more, including Tokyo on January 25th. Tokyo, Japan. I'm sure there'll be some, some no agenda celebrities there.

Starting point is 03:24:08 You can find every single meetup listed well into this year at no agenda meetups.com. Go ahead. If you can't find one there, start one yourself. It's real easy. Y'all. You wanna hang out with all the nights and days You wanna be where you want me Triggered or held to blame You wanna be where everybody feels the same

Starting point is 03:24:36 It's like a party It's just like a party Only noisier There you go I think I brought some isos. This is where in the moment in the show we like to play some fun little ditties. This is really the true meeting we have. The only meeting we have on the show is this.

Starting point is 03:24:56 And we do it in public. I have two isos. Do you have any isos? I have one, but I have to preface it with the clip from which I drew the ISO. Oh, well let's do that first. So I have, so I'm listening to NPR. Oh, surprise. And there's these, and they're talking about this guy is this kind of low-T guy.

Starting point is 03:25:16 I mean, I think this is going to be my new term for the typical... For the day, yeah. The guy who's talking, hi, I'm on NPR. And so these low-T guys. So this guy's going on and on about this show on Apple called Severance. Oh yeah, I think I saw a couple episodes of the first season. It's very creepy. It's about a company that shoots you in the head with a... they drill your brain and then...

Starting point is 03:25:41 Pretty much, yeah. ...makes it so you can... you don't remember anything you did at work because it's a spook operation have you uh have you watched the new squid game no I'm not gonna watch this there's only so many hours in a day I'm not watching squid anything I'm not gonna shoot a squid gun so uh so forget it I'm forgotten so this guy goes goes on, he's going to bring these guys on. And it just goes right to the end where when he brings these two people on, I know after listening to this intro to these two people, which I cut out to make my ISO, that I'm never going to watch this show, Severance.

Starting point is 03:26:20 But here, listen to this. Severance is now back for its highly anticipated second season on Apple TV+. And for people like me who got obsessed with season one, the follow-up season has a lot of questions to answer. It goes deeper into the shadowy corporation of Lumen, the life and death mysteries, and the romances driving the plot. If you don't want the first season spoiled or to hear even mild hints about the second season, consider this your warning because we're about to get into it with some of the

Starting point is 03:26:46 show's breakout stars, Trumelle Tillman and Britt Lauer. Welcome to you both. Thank you for having us. Thank you for having us. Let me guess what your ISO is. Thank you for having us. Thank you for having us. Oh, man.

Starting point is 03:27:02 That's just so creepy. That is kind so creepy. Yeah, that is kind of creepy. By the way, we finished Diplomat the second season. Yeah? Great. You liked it? Yeah, I really did. Where was it?

Starting point is 03:27:18 It was published. I think it's on Netflix. Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's on Netflix. Mimi's got something on Netflix she's watching too that she's all raving about. Well. I'll have to check these things out.

Starting point is 03:27:30 No, you can't just leave us hanging like that. I don't, I'll ask her again. She says, hey, I'm watching the show. You know, what show? At least some show is called something. You asked. I'm like the wine guy. Hey, I had a great bottle of wine.

Starting point is 03:27:45 What was it called? I don't know. And it's not where it's published, it's where did it drop. All right. Let's get that. I'm not dropping nothing. It's a smell that stays with you. Huh?

Starting point is 03:27:57 Well, that's kind of, I think, disparaging. Okay. How about this one then? Stay tuned! Exclamation mark. I kind of like that one. There's something so stupid about that one, I think we have to go with that. You know what it is?

Starting point is 03:28:14 People who do voice to text, you have to talk like that. Stay tuned! Exclamation mark. So the Siri picks it up and does the exclamation mark stay tuned exclamation mark Yeah, it's pretty good, right? Yeah, that's fine. All right. All right, everybody dated. Runeeti has created it and John C. Dvorak delivers the tip of the day Well, this one actually came in from one of our producers. He stepped on his credit, by the way. Stepped on his credit.

Starting point is 03:28:52 It comes in at the end again. Okay, just saying. And by the way, stepping on his credit is not new to him. Hey, I don't have... He's had his credits removed and then put back and then he sued the producers guild, then quit the guild because he was, or, you know, that's what I mean. Don't need any hassle from this guy. You know, he has your number, not mine.

Starting point is 03:29:14 He has your number. And then he calls and yells. Yeah. Uh, so this came in from one of our producers, sir Bates. And he says, I heard the audible complaint on NAS 1730. Here's a tip, and this is good tip, by the way. A lot of people gave me this tip. A lot of people came in with this tip.

Starting point is 03:29:34 This is a great tip. Yeah. I've been an audible user since before Amazon, before the Amazon acquisition, and users can download files from your library. The downloadable use is the AAX extension, which is not usable outside of audible. I use open audible, which you can get at open audible.com to

Starting point is 03:29:56 convert from AAX to MP3 for my iPod or other MP3 player. Yeah. You can also connect open audible to your audible account to download your library directly. This is why you have the account. You download the library as a bunch of AXs, you convert them directly to your local drive and then you convert them to MP3s and they can't. And then you can put them on tour and share with your friends.

Starting point is 03:30:19 You can do anything you want, but this is a workaround for the complaint you had on the last show, which is you canceled your subscription for 10 minutes and all your audio books were gone. Yeah, it turns out there's a lot of different apps that do this, but the most frequently recommended one was indeed Open Audible. And I hope we're not violating some severe copyright issue

Starting point is 03:30:41 by promoting this in your tip of the day. Well, it's getting dark. What does that mean? The tips are getting darker. We got the ways of violating privacy and your picture of the house. That thing was that, you know, people have sent me so many extra sites that also have this. Yeah, there's information. It's called the internet.

Starting point is 03:31:06 Yeah. But yet the Supreme Court can oodle on forever about TikTok. How about getting rid of... Well, this is going on. Let's get rid of these websites first. There it is everybody. John C. Dvorak's Tip of the Day created by Dana Brunetti. And sometimes Adam. Created by Dana Brunetti.

Starting point is 03:31:31 There you go. See, I leave the credits in. I don't want any hassle from that guy, man. He's got a cyber truck, you know, could roll over me. He does have a cyber truck. That's why he's all up Elon's butt. Because they all go to the cyber truck, it's great. They make sure it doesn't explode. All right Don't worry. Elon will catch you with his tick Chopstickzilla, whatever it's called chopstick

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Starting point is 03:32:18 you give you get back tenfold so i'm told uh... coming up next on no agendaenda Stream and Trollroom.io, Canary Cry News, ah, Canary Cry News Talk, yeah, those guys are great, big No Agenda fans. And we have end of show mixes from Secret Agent Paul. We've got Leo LaPuke and the Clip Custody and Neil Jones. We'll see you on Thursday. Happy Presidents Day, everybody.

Starting point is 03:32:43 Enjoy your new president. Till then, adios, mofos! I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley, where I remain, I'm John C. Dvorak. We'll be back on Thursday. Remember us, noagendadonations.com, adios, mofos, a-hooey-hooey, and soj! I'm not gonna be a mule, I got something to do, I gotta go do boom boom boom. This is my wife, this is my sister. They switched on me. The Equal Rights Amendment.

Starting point is 03:33:07 It's the 28th amendment to the Constitution now. I would eliminate the capital gains tax. I would raise the capital gains tax. Come on, man. Come on, man. My long-time friend, and she's a friend, she's been my friend. Have you taken a cognitive test? No, I haven't taken a test. Why the hell would I take a test?

Starting point is 03:33:24 My physical and mental, as well as my mental fitness. Line dog face pony soldiers. Former mayor of Massachusetts. The president has a big stick. The president has no intercourse whatsoever. I was ready to prostitute myself. Um, uh, and with, uh, with, uh, I don't know. Make sure you have the record player on at night.

Starting point is 03:33:43 I'm sick and tired of smart guys. I want to be clear, I'm not going nuts. And they're coming to take me away. Ha ha ha, they're coming to take me away. Ho ho ho. We choose truth over facts. We're like the heroes from the past. And I only happen to see those nice young men and they're so bright.

Starting point is 03:33:56 Close and they're coming to take me away. The fact is that I don't remember. She was 12, I was 30. I want the press to know that wasn't me. I'm not going nuts. I'm not going nuts. I'm not going nuts. I'm not going nuts.

Starting point is 03:34:04 I'm not going nuts. I'm not going nuts. I'm not going nuts. I'm not going nuts. I'm not going here. The fact is that I don't remember. She was 12, I was 30. I want the press to know that wasn't me. Trump is telling us what he intends to do. Trump means to throw people in jail who disagree with him. Listen to what he says because he's telling us what he will do. He says, let's remove all doubt. This is what I'm about.

Starting point is 03:34:41 This is what I'm about. This is what I'm about. He will execute whoever he's allowed. Take him at his word. Boom. Boom. Predeliction. Predeliction for predeliction for, for, for, revenge, revenge.

Starting point is 03:35:10 Look at his past. Trump is telling us what he intends to do. He has to be eliminated. You couldn't carry my husband out of a fire, which my response is. He got himself in the wrong place if I have to carry him out of a fire. And the mayor's away Gavin's doing podcasts And the fire chief's gay And the fire chief's gay Couldn't get no help Cause no one looks like me

Starting point is 03:36:00 California's burning The water's gone to the sea Went up to a dam, and I jumped right in Well I landed on my knees, when I intended to swim, I intended to swim. The smelters safe and warm, the smelters safe and warm. The fire hydrants are dry, fire hydrants are dry. California's burning, California's burning because of DEI. Because of DEI.

Starting point is 03:36:43 Just how woke is the LA Fire Department? You want to see somebody that responds to your house, your emergency, whether it's a medical call or a fire call, that looks like you. It gives that person a little bit more ease, knowing that somebody might understand their situation better. The best podcast in the universe! Adios, mofo. Dvorak.org slash NA.

Starting point is 03:37:13 Stay tuned!

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