No Agenda - 1747 - "HiFi Intel"

Starting point is 00:00:00 Oh, I get it. You're a boomer. Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak. It's Sunday, March 16, 2025. This is your award-winning Give Our Nation Media Assassination, episode 1747. This is No Agenda. Lightly toasted, but not burned, and broadcasted live from the heart of the Texas Hill Country here in FEMA Region Number 6.

Starting point is 00:00:21 In the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley, where I should take the phone off the hook I'm John St. Dvorak was it ringing was that what the was that the problem you it was ringing it's wrinkling I will wrinkling dingaling I was thinking if the phrase phone off the hook oh no one knows what that means. Boomer? Even my friends. Do you know what it means? Well of course I know what it means. Even my friends are calling me Boomer. What's the derivative? The derivative?

Starting point is 00:00:55 What do you mean? I mean what phone off the hook? Okay well back in the day you had a phone that had the mouthpiece hanging on a hook. On a hook, yes. On a hook. And when it was, you hung it up on the hook, then the phone was disengaged from the network and ready to accept calls. But if you take it off the hook, it would engage and you would get a beep beep beep beep beep beep.

Starting point is 00:01:19 I don't even remember what the busy signal sounds like. Do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do I don't even remember what the busy signal sounds like. Something like that. Yeah, everybody, welcome to Boomer Talk with Adam and John. I am literally people who are my friends are now calling me Boomer. It doesn't even matter when you were born at a certain point. It's like, oh, he's 60. He's got to be a Boomer. Boomer should just be 60.

Starting point is 00:01:40 It's because you're so knowledgeable. That's what it is. Thank you. Yes, good point. But it kind of ruins the show. How do you know all these things? I get it. You're a boomer. That's a good point. Oh wow. I never thought of it that way.

Starting point is 00:01:58 You've once again changed my perception. Thank you. That feels much better. You're very welcome. Well, I don't know if you heard the news tonight, we're continuing our coverage of the massive crab apple fire burning in Gillespie County. That's 10 miles north of Fredericksburg. According to the latest update, the wildfires over 8600 acres in a zero percent contained. The Zion

Starting point is 00:02:23 Lutheran Church on Main Street in Fredericksburg is hosting all evacuees. Crews are encouraging everyone who lives between Highway 16 North and FM 1631 and Ranch Road 1323 and Ranch Road 2721 to evacuate. Well, this was rather exciting. Yeah, I got a couple of notes. We're hoping you're going to be okay.

Starting point is 00:02:47 And then I hear it's 10 miles away and it's somebody says 9,000 acres on fire. And to me, California, that means that's a minor nuisance. Get out the garden hose. Yeah. And 10 miles is a long haul. Yes. Now, had the wind shifted, we would have been in trouble. But this really started, this even started on Friday. We've been under red flag watch. Do you have a lot of brush around your

Starting point is 00:03:12 house? You know, we have the grass is dry. We still have all over Texas, a lot of dead trees from the snowpocalypse. You know, removing a dead tree is not cheap. No, it's several hundred dollars per tree. It's a good burning wood. Yeah, so there's good burning wood literally sticking out of the ground. And the wind was, you know, 40 gusting 50. Luckily, it was going eastward. Otherwise, we would have been in trouble. Now, many of our friends, many people we know had to evacuate.

Starting point is 00:03:49 Most have been okay. We're not exactly sure of the damage, but some, some homes have burned out. I've always have always, whenever I drive through Texas and I see, you know, like 45 acres for sale, I'm like, I don't know if I'd want to live there with my farmhouse for this very reason. Um, but man, it started on Friday because we have pretty good, you know, the church ladies group text group is pretty, it's pretty good. So Tina says, Oh, this is Friday. Tina says, Oh man, there's smoke over by Laura Logan's place.

Starting point is 00:04:26 Now that's just down the road from here. So I grab a fire extinguisher like I know what I'm doing, jumping the car, speed over there. There's her husband Joe kind of like walking around sheepishly. Oh yeah, yeah, it was a little, something's caught fire and we put it out with the hose. But that's how kind of ready I was for something to happen.

Starting point is 00:04:46 And then we were coming home, we went, actually went shopping yesterday, near San Antonio and we start, you know, the phone starts blowing up. And as we're driving and now we're miles away from home and you could see the smoke, it was quite large. And I didn't have to worry because of course our roof is painted blue so I had no fear of anything. But man, small town America is great in these situations. There were kids, you know, like 19 year olds

Starting point is 00:05:20 putting horse trailers onto their truck, you know, hooking them up to their trucks, going out there, getting horses out. Cattle was being herded away, but it was it was pretty significant. Austin was blanketed in smoke. And that's 80 miles away. And so yeah, so we're okay and I appreciate everyone asking. And kudos to the not just the helicopter pilots who do with the big bucket, but they have these water planes where the whole plane is basically one big bucket of water and they were taking off three at a time from our airport.

Starting point is 00:05:59 That's pretty gnarly if you've got 40 knot crosswind cross wind, gusting 50. And they would go out, drop their water, come back, fill up again, go out. So it was pretty intense for a little bit there. But yes, 10 miles is quite a ways away, so we were safe. But it's typical. Everyone hears Fredericksburg and they think, Curry's on fire.

Starting point is 00:06:26 You've been on fire for years. Yeah, there it is. There it is. But I'll have more of a report on Thursday if there's anything to let people know about. But it was not. We don't need FEMA. Everyone else jumped in and just worked together. Oh, except for the 50 delusional Dems who throughout the whole afternoon were still protesting Elon Musk on the corner across from City Hall. They're like, get out of Ukraine, help Ukraine, go away Elon. Meanwhile, people are rolling up to the fire station with water and all kinds of stuff

Starting point is 00:07:00 and they're just out there protesting, like completely delusional. It's really quite interesting. Elon. The delusional Dems, man. It's something to behold. It really is. So yeah, there's a lot going on. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:07:22 Well, let's talk about, first of all, they're bombing the hell out of the Houthis. Yeah, I got some clips. What you got on the Houthis? I got the BBC clip and then I've got two analysis clips from the BBC from a different report. This again is the BBC World Service, which I've been booked on because it's the short wave stuff, you know. Coming to you live from London He's got the biggest balls in the business. The United States has launched large-scale strikes against Houthi targets in Yemen. Donald Trump said he had ordered decisive and powerful military action.

Starting point is 00:08:28 The Houthi-run health ministry said at least 13 people were killed and nine more wounded. Merlin Thomas reports now from Washington. The American president warned that hell would rain down on the Houthis unless they stopped attacking commercial shipping routes in and around the Red Sea. He also warned Iran that he would hold it fully accountable for the actions of its allies. The Houthis have been targeting maritime routes, saying they're acting in solidarity with Palestinians over Israel's war with Hamas in Gaza. This latest move to target the group in Yemen appears to be Donald Trump's opening salvo to try to force Iran to the negotiating table over a

Starting point is 00:09:03 nuclear agreement. President Trump has previously said that he'd like to make a deal with Tehran to limit their nuclear capabilities. Now before we go to the analysis you want to hear Rubio from this morning on CBS Face the Nation? Yes. Mr. Secretary for our audience just to explain this Red Sea area is a really important transit point for global shipping. The Houthis out of Yemen have been disrupting transit there for some time. President Trump cited these concerns when he announced the strikes. I'm wondering, how long will this campaign last and will it involve ground forces? Well first of all, the problem here is that this is a very important shipping lane and

Starting point is 00:09:49 in the last year and a half, the last 18 months, the Houthis have struck or attacked 174 naval vessels of the United States, attacking the US Navy directly, 174 times and 145 times they've attacked commercial shipping. So we basically have a band of pirates with you know with guided precision anti ship weaponry and If the exact exacting a toll system and one of the most important shipping lanes in the world, that's just not sustainable We are not going to have these people controlling which ships can go through and which ones cannot and so your question is How long will this go on it will go on until they no longer have the capability to do that Yeah, I'll just play one more.

Starting point is 00:10:26 This is my favorite thing. Rubio cracks me up. Oh yeah, no, and he'll crack you up even more of this because we're doing the world a favor, people. Well, what does US intelligence tell us at this point? Because the US had been conducting strikes for some time, but has not stopped the Houthis. So what's going to be different right now? Do you have more fidelity in the intelligence that would

Starting point is 00:10:49 make this more successful? Well those strikes were retaliation strikes. So they launched one missile, we hit the missile launcher or we sent something to do it. This is not a message. This is not a one-off. This is an effort to deny them the ability to continue to constrict and control shipping. And this is not going to happen. We're not going to have these guys, these people with weapons, able to tell us where our ships can go, where the ships of all the world can go, by the way. It's not just the U.S. We're doing the world a favor.

Starting point is 00:11:17 We're doing the entire world a favor by getting rid of these guys and their ability to strike global shipping. That's the mission here, and it will continue until that's carried out. This is an effort to take away their ability to control global shipping in that part of the world. That's just not gonna happen anymore. And it could continue until that's finished. It could involve ground raids. Well, those are military decisions to be made, but I've heard no talk of ground raids.

Starting point is 00:11:41 I don't think there's a necessity for it right now. I can tell you that as of last night some of the key people involved in those missile launches are no longer with us and I can tell you that some of the Facilities that they use are no longer existing and that will continue the look it's bottom line easy way to understand it Okay, these guys are able to control what ships can go through there. They've attacked the US Navy 174 times they've attacked the United States Navy. We're not gonna have people sitting around with the missiles attacking the US Navy. 174 times they've attacked the United States Navy. We're not gonna have people sitting around with the missiles attacking the US Navy. It's not going to happen, not under President Trump.

Starting point is 00:12:11 I particularly like the constant use of these people or those people. And I want Pete Hexen. He's othering, he's othering. He's othering, he is othering them. Can you play the beginning of that clip again? Because there's a little phrase in there I gotta kick out of. Yeah We need play the beginning of that clip again. She's a little phrasing there. I got a kick out of. Yeah, just the president also referenced Iran in his statement. Iran provides some sorry. That's not it.

Starting point is 00:12:30 This is it. Here we go. Well, what does US intelligence tell us at this point? Because the US had been contruct conducting strikes for some time, but has not stopped the Houthis. What's she laughing? Did you hear her laughing? There's a little laugh tell in there. Hold on a second. Conducting strikes for some time

Starting point is 00:12:49 But has not stopped the Houthis. So what's gonna be different right now? Do you have more fidelity in the intelligence that would make this more successful? There it is, that was his voice. Yes, we have more fidelity. The fidelity in the intelligence. It's hi-Fi. What kind of code is that? We got Hi-Fi intelligence, baby. Hi-Fi. Hi-Fi Intel. Hi-Fi.

Starting point is 00:13:13 Why don't you put that as a show title? I just wrote it down. Hi-Fi Intel. I knew I'd get it eventually. Fidelity in the intelligence. Yes, Hi-Fi Intel. So that's one of those. It's like a Silicon Valley phrase, only this is for that community.

Starting point is 00:13:30 That's in line with, what's that phrase that Buzzkill Jr. was using all the time? The movement, the direction of travel. Yeah, the velocity or something. No, it wasn't velocity. The vector. The thought vector. Thought vector, some crazy crap. There's another one I got to write down, thought vector.

Starting point is 00:13:53 Thought vector. I like thought vector. We should just use it. Yes, because it sounds- How's the fidelity of your intelligence today, Adam? Well, the thought vector of this boomer is really deep, John. Let me just tell you. Wow.

Starting point is 00:14:10 The direction of my thinking that I can't remember what the directionally. I know I called him out on it. The dinner table too. I wish I remembered. Oh, well. Yes. The trolls are asleep.

Starting point is 00:14:24 The more boomery you get, the more you do this. The more you forget. And you forget. It's too much. I forget all those things. So let's go back to the BBC and we're to the analysis part one. That ceasefire of course is now becoming much more. Oh, I'm sorry.

Starting point is 00:14:42 I'm sorry. This is part one. The defense analyst Jonathan Marcus told us about the strikes. They seem to have involved jets, armed, unmanned aerial vehicles, drones. They've been striking according to the Americans, radars, weapons stores, missiles, air defences, that kind of thing. But also a clear indication from the Americans that this could be just the start of a mini-air campaign, if you like.

Starting point is 00:15:10 This doesn't seem to be just a one-off set of strikes. Mr Trump seems to be serious about really delivering a significant blow. But one also has to say that the hoouthis have obviously been struck many times before in the Biden administration, the United Kingdom and the United States attacked Houthi targets a number of times in response to the Houthis' strikes on commercial shipping in the Red Sea. And whilst they hit targets and damage I'm sure was done, it didn't seem to deter the Houthis from sticking to their guns as it were. So we'll have to see now whether the different administration, an administration that is perhaps less predictable, perhaps more erratic in some ways, whether that concentrates their

Starting point is 00:16:01 minds any better. As you say, this is a different administration the biggest US military Operation in the Middle East since Donald Trump took office. Why now? Well, it's the biggest military operation since Trump took office full stop I think now for a number of reasons the Houthis are firm allies of Hamas in the Gaza Strip. Now those attacks against commercial shipping largely halted in the wake of the ceasefire, if you want to call it that, in Gaza. Hmm. I like the erratic nature of people's understanding of our president.

Starting point is 00:16:42 Like, the guy's crazy. You don't know what he's gonna do next. I know that's actually an image. It's a plus. It's a plus. It is a plus. Because you know. In fact if you follow it closely enough, I think that we, as we do and others, it's nothing surprising about any of it.

Starting point is 00:17:00 No. No. It's right on cue really if you think about it. Anyway onward with part two. That ceasefire of course is now becoming much more afraid and much more uncertain, but also particularly in the last few weeks, the Hoot is fired on an American F-16 jet, missing it. It looks as though they probably downed a US Reaper drone, a manned aerial vehicle a couple of weeks or so, 10 days a couple of weeks ago, I'm not entirely sure the precise date. And it seems to have been those attacks against American weapons systems that focused minds in Washington and President Trump ultimately signed off approval for these

Starting point is 00:17:46 attacks that have taken place overnight. How does this fit in with Mr. Trump's Iran strategy? Well, it's very much as he sees it, part and parcel of that. I mean to the American administration, really, all American administrations, the Houthis are seen as in some sense acting, if not at the behest of Iran, are certainly clear allies of Tehran. I think many analysts would argue that the Houthis are, to some extent, a much more independent actor than just simply a stooge for the Iranians.

Starting point is 00:18:20 But Mr. Trump pulled no punches. I mean, in one of his usual sort of capitalized pronouncements, he turned to Iran after dealing with the Houthis and said that support for the Houthi terrorists, as he put it, must end immediately in capitals. Don't threaten the American people, their president, or worldwide shipping lanes. If you do, beware capitalizedized again, because America will hold you fully accountable. So not just a threat to the Houthis by these air attacks, but an implicit and direct threat to Tehran that Washington holds Iran in some way responsible for the Houthis'

Starting point is 00:19:01 future actions. I think this also may be a part of bringing down the cost of living, because that shipping line, a lot of ships have said, we're just not gonna do it, we're gonna go around the long way. Yes, this is true. That may, you know, the Jones Brothers Syndicate is starting doing something new, Steve Jones,

Starting point is 00:19:24 Sunday is a pretty important day in mainstream media in America because everyone oh we got these important Sunday shows it was the very important so he recorded he recorded some more about this Mike Waltz who is the he's the envoy is he not to the Middle East? Weld's? Isn't he the negotiator? I should have a chart hanging here. With yarn and sticky pins. He was on with Martha Raddatz. And Mr. Weld, let me read from what President Trump said on True Social.

Starting point is 00:20:02 He said, to Iran, support for the Houthi terrorists must and immediately do not threaten the American people or worldwide shipping lanes. If you do, beware because America will hold you fully accountable. Does that mean direct military action on Iran is possible? Yeah, everyone loves this. What they need- Yeah, he's the national security advisor. Right.

Starting point is 00:20:23 What we need is someone, I don't think it's in this report. Someone has to say Iran is only two weeks away from the nuclear bomb I'm just waiting for that all options are always on the table with the president Phrase yeah all options are on the table. Yeah, Ron needs to hear him loud and clear It is completely unacceptable and it will be stopped It is completely unacceptable and it will be stopped. The level of support that they've been providing the Houthis, just like they have Hezbollah, just like they have the militias in Iraq, Hamas and others. The difference here is the Houthis have incredibly sophisticated air defenses and they also have anti shipping, cruise missiles, drones, sea skimming types anti shipping drones this is a new thing

Starting point is 00:21:09 anti shipping or anti ship i think he meant anti ship air defenses and they also have anti shipping cruise missiles we have free shipping and anti shipping whichipping. Which option do you want? Here at Amazon. Drones, sea skimming, types of attack drones and other- Skimming stones. Ballistic missiles even. They've launched dozens of attacks on multiple warships, dozens of attacks, over 175 on global commerce, sank multiple ships. I just think the American people need to understand

Starting point is 00:21:46 What has happened here the previous administration had a series of feckless responses president Trump is coming in Overwhelming force we will take we will hold not only the Houthis accountable But we're going to hold Iran their backers accountable as well. And if that means their targeting ships that they have put in to help their Iranian trainers, IRGC and others, that intelligence, other things that they have put in to help the Houthis attack the global economy, those targets will be on the table too. Ah, you hear that? The global economy. There it is. There's part of it. That's part of it. Let's bring down the prices, everybody. Let's shorten up those shipping lanes. That fits in with the message from Rubio.

Starting point is 00:22:35 Yes, it does. I got one more here. The president has said Iran will not be allowed to have a nuclear weapon. A week ago, warning that Iran, something is going to happen very, very soon that will solve the problem if there is no peace deal. And talking about nuclear weapons, so what is he talking about? Is he talking about a possible

Starting point is 00:22:56 strike on the nuclear facilities by Israel and would the US join in that? Yeah, the Jews are going to do it again for us. Well, what the President has completely, as repeatedly said, is that Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon. All options are on the table to ensure it does not have one.

Starting point is 00:23:18 And that's all aspects of Iran's program. That's the missiles, the weaponization, the enrichment. They can either hand it over and give it up in a way that is verifiable, or they can face a whole series of other consequences. But either way, we cannot have a world with the ayatollahs with their finger on the nuclear button. We cannot have a situation that would result in an arms race across the Middle East in terms of nuclear proliferation.

Starting point is 00:23:50 And President Trump is determined one way or another. Iran has been offered a way out of this to make sure that we don't have a world that can be threatened by a radical regime. Not only our ally Israel, but the entire world that would be threatened threatened by a radical regime, not only our ally Israel, but the entire world that would be threatened with a radical regime that could destroy not only Israel, but its neighbors, and have the capability to hit the United States. Martha, we cannot imagine a situation like that,

Starting point is 00:24:22 and we're not going to have it. We always have to take into account that we hear from our Iranian friends that America and Iran pretty much always work together. The Iranians always like, well, it's a big show. This could be maybe a saving a face in a way and also shutting down those annoying Houthis. Yeah. You know, it's like, it could be something. shutting down those annoying Houthis? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:24:48 You know, it's like, it could be something up, but I mean, there's some, this seems to be triggered by the fact that nobody responded to Trump's letter. Right. They, didn't they say that they didn't even receive it? Must've gotten lost in the mail. Lost in the mail. Yeah. When you, when the president of the United States sends a letter, does that go through USPS?

Starting point is 00:25:05 Because that could take months internationally. Well, it's usually our side is pretty quick. It's when it hits the overseas mail system. Yeah, something's very long. Stuff gets stolen. No, I mean, we have not received Willow's Christmas card, which she sends in November before February ever. So it takes three months, more than three months.

Starting point is 00:25:30 Why is that? I don't know. That we have enough mail carriers and USPS professionals that we might be able to get some information from them. Yeah, maybe one of them will tell us, but definitely something happens. Are we maybe looking at each individual piece and we don't have enough people? Well, it's also possible that it's because of the privatization of the European postal services that they just suck

Starting point is 00:25:59 when it comes to international. It's been pretty, yes, I think they did. Well, they've never, our postal service has always been the best in the world. From what I can tell, I've never heard of it. I mean, even in Canada, it's a problem up there. There's jokes. I mean, it's like running gags about how long it takes for something to happen. Except for Newman.

Starting point is 00:26:19 Okay, that fell flat. You don't remember Newman? Newman was the postal carrier in the Seinfeld. Seinfeld, yeah. He was horrible. But he wasn't a Canadian. No, no, no. Ours is the best in the world, I said, except for Newman. There's also those nasty Federal Express commercials that, if you remember those from about 20

Starting point is 00:26:46 years ago, where they had the two people yakking, the two Postal Service people yakking, and then the mail kept flopping onto the floor because they were talking because they didn't care. And somebody says, are you anybody here? This sort of thing. So it has been derided, but in fact, it's still pretty good. Well, I will say, you know, we got that big box from, uh, no agenda chocolist.com from the Frankenmuth people.

Starting point is 00:27:15 Yeah. And, uh, it was there for a couple of weeks at the post office. We just hadn't been, and we picked it up and we opened it and the mice had definitely gotten into it. Mice? Yeah. From the post office? Yep, yep. Now that didn't matter to us, we were just like, well, this one still looks okay, we'll keep that one.

Starting point is 00:27:38 We're not throwing any of this stuff out that hasn't been nibbled at, it's still good to go. Oh, mice love chocolate. Chocolate, yeah, mice love chocolate. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, there's been a decloaking of sorts that happened, of course, on MSNBC of these town hall issues, the Republican town halls. Yeah, the fake, yeah, with the with the fake protesters. Yes. So I'll play the set up first. MSNBC made a point of this. I thought they'd stick with the with the fake, yeah with the with the fake protesters. Yes, so I'll play the set up first. MSNBC?

Starting point is 00:28:06 Yes. Point of this out, I thought they'd stick with the with the program which is all these Republicans are painting on Trump all of a sudden. No, no, they are, well first I'll play the ABC report. This is kind of, this is the messaging as we're supposed to receive it that Republicans are outraged at Doge. A Republican congressman's town hall erupting into chaos. Put out. North Carolina congressman Chuck Edwards getting an earful on everything from President Trump's tariffs to Elon Musk's downsizing of the government. That's a scale. The town hall contentious from the start.

Starting point is 00:28:42 You are lying. I'm a veteran and you f*** about me. the town hall contentious from the start. You are not lying. I'm a veteran. You don't f*** about me. A man identifying himself as a veteran was escorted out screaming profanities at the congressmen over federal job cuts. F*** you. That right there is the clue of course that these are not Republicans because they are screaming profanities. Right, because right now that's what they do.

Starting point is 00:29:04 Exactly. That's a giveaway now. It is remember profanity is the sign of a weak mind trying to express itself The crowd often booing when Musk or Trump was mentioned like him or not Elon Musk has brought a lot of really smart people to those Kim or not, Elon Musk has brought a lot of really smart people to those. Yeah, that's Republicans, all right. Two thousand people showing up, fewer than 400 were allowed in. Some seen banging on the door. Republican leaders have encouraged members not to hold in-person town halls because of frequent disruptions.

Starting point is 00:29:48 They say Democrats are hiring outside agitators, which Democrats deny. Okay, so this is what is so crazy about this decloaking, because the accusation is they're bringing in outside agitators who they're paying. And enter on MSNBC with Steele, the former Republican, Leah Greenberg from the Indivisible Project. And she is literally going to sit and say, well, no one's getting paid, but we're doing it. Democrats in and out of Congress are outraged at Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer. Mmm-hmm. Mmm-hmm.

Starting point is 00:30:30 Mmm-hmm. Mmm-hmm. After he supported a key procedural vote that eventually led to the passage of Republican spending bill, a bill supported by Donald Trump. Now the move has exposed fissures in the Democratic Party as it faces the crucial question of how to use its limited power to counter Trump and MAGA Republicans' effort to remake the federal government. New polls show the public beginning to sour on Trump's policies and some Democrats see Schumer's decision as a missed opportunity to win back voters and

Starting point is 00:31:04 capitalize on the disappointment many Americans are already feeling. Well, we're going to get into it with the co-founder and co-executive director of the Indivisible Project, Leah Greenberg. So, you're going to be astounded by these admissions here. We represent grassroots groups all over the country, thousands of them. They're in every community, small areas, big cities. Some of them are center-left, some of them are progressive. Where they are united is that they understand this is an emergency and they want to see people fight back using every tool they've got in the toolbox. And frankly, there's been a huge disconnect over the last few months. Democrats on Capitol Hill have been having one conversation about how do they break through on lower prices and they have not been listening to all of their constituents who are expressing the kind of alarm, fear, anger about what is happening and want to see them fighting back in the moment.

Starting point is 00:31:56 And it's not that lower prices isn't a crucial part of the story that we tell. It's not that that's not an important part of how we're going to break through and win back more people. But it is really tone deaf to only focus on that in a moment when Donald Trump is taking a chainsaw out of the federal government. Okay, so we have grassroots, thousands of them grassroots, but no one's getting paid. All the way up to the president say that these folks who are showing up to town halls and in the republicans district, they are activists or they are actually not constituents, they're paid. What do you say to that? Paid! They're paid!

Starting point is 00:32:31 Not their actual constituents that are coming there. Well this is just a transparently ridiculous claim, right? These are people who are rooted in their communities. We often will have a local invisible group that's making sure lots of people know about a town hall, right? Oh, really? But the people who come, they're people who just got their benefits cut. They're people whose, you know, their son lost his job.

Starting point is 00:32:49 They're people who are furious about what's going on because they are being directly impacted by all of these negative consequences and they want to see their representative fighting back. And, you know, what I've seen with this claim, we had this in 2017 when we first got started, Republicans said, oh, all those people who are mad about the Affordable Care Act, they're paid protesters. They stopped that eventually because you know what really makes your constituents very, very mad is if you're calling them paid protesters

Starting point is 00:33:13 while they are coming to you with their incredibly heartfelt concerns. And so it's a claim that's ridiculous. And it's a claim that always backfires because it makes you look like you're not listening to your real people. Well, the backfiring is the indivisible Project at indivisible.org, a joint website of Indivisible Project and Indivisible Action. Indivisible Project is a registered 501C4. That means you can't actually deduct your contribution to them because they're political. Indivisible Action is a hybrid political action committee, a PAC.

Starting point is 00:33:51 And indeed, they, according to GuideStar, in 2022, because they haven't filed their 23 or 24 paperwork, or at least it's not on GuideStar yet, they have $12 million they raised this year. And what do you know on the website? Charitable donations made through this form are received and processed by ActBlue. Yes indeed. I said a few weeks ago, I don't need your member to call a town hall. You just said you're organizing town halls in red districts, blue districts, purple districts, every district you can. Talk about that organization.

Starting point is 00:34:30 How do people feed into that? How does that word get out to them, particularly in those communities in some of the reddest parts of the country like Alabama, Mississippi, Tennessee, Texas, etc.? They are literally explaining what they're doing. Okay, they're not paid. But this is an entire Democrat party operation. If those members don't hold a town hall meeting. Absolutely.

Starting point is 00:34:55 So what we tell our folks is, you know, your representative should hold a town hall. It is part of their job to interact with the public. Some of them are not doing it. They've decided that they would rather take the hit for being out of touch, for being out of avoiding their district than get out in public and get yelled at by their angry constituents. And so you don't actually have to wait for them. You can't hold that by organized group. Yeah. Completely organized, completely coordinated district, then get out in public and get yelled at by their angry constituents. And so you don't actually have to wait for them. You

Starting point is 00:35:24 can hold that town hall. You schedule it, you invite them. If they come, that's great. But if they don't come, have an empty chair. Have a live, well we used to say have a live chicken on stage. We don't say that anymore because of avian flu. But if you've got a chicken suit,

Starting point is 00:35:38 then yeah, bring the chicken suit. Chicken suits incoming. And represent what they are actually doing in Washington. What we're seeing when we do this is that these are sold out people want to come people want to be involved in the process right now people are Incredibly eager to hear from the representatives and if they cannot hear from their representatives Then they're incredibly eager to make their representatives hear from them. Okay, so it's it is it is Astroturf that's what it is.

Starting point is 00:36:08 I'm sure people are mad, but this organized madness, and just to accentuate- Well, the Democrats are mad. So you bring in a, you have a Republican who won the area. The Republicans aren't going to go to this thing. They are- No, they already won. The guy's doing fine. They like Trump. They're happy. They're going on and on about how the Republicans are turning on Trump.

Starting point is 00:36:25 There's no evidence of this at all. No. But if I'm an irked Democrat and I'm insane, I like to cuss a lot, I can just go into a say, yeah, I'm a Republican and F you, F you, F you. I don't like what you're doing and I don't like Doge. F you, F you. and I don't like Doge. F-U-F-U. And to accentuate the delusional Democrat profanity, here is Senator Mark Kelly. Hey folks, Mark Kelly here in Washington,

Starting point is 00:36:53 driving to work for the last time in my Tesla. When I bought this thing, I didn't think it was going to become a political issue. Every time I get in this car in the last 60 days or so, it reminds me of just how much damage Elon Musk and Donald Trump is doing to our country. There are some things I really liked about it. There are things I didn't like about it,

Starting point is 00:37:19 but that doesn't matter. What matters is doing the right thing. I think it's time to get rid of it. You know, Elon Musk kind of turned out to be an asshole. And I don't want to be driving the car built and designed by an asshole. There you go. Oh, so mature. Remember, this is democracy, and we must always remember the wise words of Ranish also known as Osho. Because democracy basically means

Starting point is 00:37:56 government by the people, of the people, for the people. But the people are retarded. I love that guy. The people are retarded. That's true. That's true. This is why since you talked about Schumer, let's go over the Schumer thing because this became a big, I mentioned the newsletter. Schumer, Turr said, you know, we should vote for this thing because otherwise you're just

Starting point is 00:38:33 going to get worse or something. They have all these different reasons. And then all the Democrats turned on Schumer. Pelosi said he should be hung by the yard arm. Did she say that? Did she say that publicly? No, I don't think so. She publicly condemned him.

Starting point is 00:38:48 Okay. So we can play Schumer passes continuing resolution bill, which is the NPR clip, I think. The Senate has passed a short term spending bill that avoids government shutdown and pays for government operations for six months. NPR's Elena Moore reports. Senate Republicans hold a majority in the chamber, but they needed Democratic votes to overcome a filibuster and get the measure to a final vote. For that procedural vote, a total of 10 Democrats sided with Republicans to advance the bill.

Starting point is 00:39:19 Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer was one of them and argued that allowing the GOP to pass their bill was a better move than shutting down the government. The CR bill is a bad bill. But as bad as the CR is, I believe that allowing Donald Trump to take even more power via a government shutdown is a far worse option. But that decision has caused rifts within the Democratic Party. You know, the the CR, I mean, this was a setup from the from the get-go. I mean, everybody knew this was going to pass.

Starting point is 00:39:52 The Johnson sent the Republicans home right after they voted and the Democrats didn't vote until the next day. You don't send them home if you think it's not going to make it. This seemed, this was set up. I mean, I'm not sure why Schumer is doing it other than shut down suck. Or what's that in your mouth? Hey Chuck, what's that? What's that with you and Anthony Weiner?

Starting point is 00:40:18 What's this picture about? Possibly. But he did get eight other Democrats to vote, didn't he? Yeah, they were going to get a few anyway because, I mean, Federman was going to vote for it. And then there's some people in swing areas that could be ousted by Republicans that were fearful. Federman is the most interesting guy to me. He is pretty funny because he doesn't care. Well, but the thing, in the beginning, people like his wife is moving his mouth. He can't even operate.

Starting point is 00:40:51 And now he seems to have regained his functions. And you're right. He doesn't care. And he's kind of like a secret weapon over there for the Republicans. Yeah. They don't know, they don't know. Well, the Democrats don't know what to do with it. They just ignore him. I mean, they're trying, I mean, Pelosi still got her influence,

Starting point is 00:41:13 but they got all kinds of issues. Well, let's just do the analysis of this Schumer promotion. Another spending cycle, another barely voted government shutdown. Another shutdown is really likeable. After the Senate just... Just... Oh man.

Starting point is 00:41:33 Just... I want to hear that again. The Senate just managed to pass a Portisons Stop Gap Spending Bill. But that was only possible with help from a few Democratic lawmakers, which has riled up their congressional colleagues. And bear congressional correspondent Barbara Sprint joins us. Barbara, thanks for being with us. Hey, thanks for having me. This was an abrupt shift from the minority leader Chuck Schumer. What happened? That's right. Schumer had said Republicans didn't get input from Democrats when drafting this bill, and

Starting point is 00:42:06 so they wouldn't get the Democratic votes they'd need to advance it. Instead, he wanted to pass a one-month funding bill to give them more time to negotiate a deal. But on Thursday, he made a U-turn and he said he was going to vote to advance the bill. Schumer and the nine other Democrats who ultimately voted alongside him argued the bill was bad, yes, but a government shutdown would be worse. They said it would enable President Trump and his top advisor, Elon Musk, to further gut federal agencies.

Starting point is 00:42:35 And their support enabled Republicans to ultimately pass the bill largely along party lines. Barbara, would it be fair to say that Senator Schumer's colleagues just didn't see this coming? It would be fair. I was at a conference in Virginia with House Democrats when Schumer made this announcement. I saw jaws drop. I saw heads sh- Wait a minute. Is she a journalist or was she a party member? What is she doing over there? Well she's a- I would think she's a journalist but I'm glad you caught that because that what she's talking about that she was at that Yeah, the off-site the off-site. They had a big off-site. The off-site where the Democrats are trying to strategize how they what they're gonna do.

Starting point is 00:43:12 And she's coming. So what's she doing there? Yeah, she's helping them strategize. Hey, we're here NPR is all for you. Go go go. It would be fair. I was at a conference in Virginia with House Democrats when Schumer made this announcement. I saw jaws drop. I saw heads shake. Members were really upset. They said they felt betrayed because they had voted on the same bill earlier this week and all but one voted against it. It was a tough vote for a lot of members, particularly those in vulnerable districts. But the caucus banded together to present a united front and make a strong show of opposition.

Starting point is 00:43:48 They said that the bill was essentially a blank check for Trump because it doesn't rein in the administration's efforts to cut spending that was previously approved by Congress. Yeah, but isn't this the blank check that Biden and Johnson put together? It's just a continuation of what already was, no? Yeah. Yeah. So it was... Yeah, they were happy with it.

Starting point is 00:44:10 They were extra dough for the Defense Department. Oh, a little extra. A little extra dough. 700 billion extra. Just a little extra. It wasn't that much extra. I thought... Well, I thought...

Starting point is 00:44:18 Wasn't it 700 billion? No, the whole thing is about 800. Max total. Oh, total. Okay. So some extra dough. All right. So, we're going to go ahead and get to the next one. All right. So, we're, wasn't it 700? No, the whole, the whole thing is about 800 max total. Oh, total.

Starting point is 00:44:27 Okay. So some extra dough. All right. Pete. They're trying to keep it under a trillion. Even though the Chinese can do the same amount of work for a 200 billion. That's interesting that the Chinese are more efficient than we are. I wonder why that is.

Starting point is 00:44:40 Doge has not yet gone into the defense department. Once they do, it'll be interesting. Yeah, we'll see. We'll see. We'll see. I don't know about that. Here's the last of it. No, you have two. You have two more. This is your second one. I hear New York Congressman Joe Morelli reacting to Schumer's comments. I think they're gonna ruin the day they make this decision. I think this just gives license to Republicans to continue to dismantle the government. They now have the acquiescence of Senate Democrats.

Starting point is 00:45:13 Members told me they were calling and texting their senators, imploring them not to vote alongside Schumer. So a lot of frustration and anger among House Democrats. And Barbara, what's the implication of this rift among Democrats at a time when, after all, Republicans control the House, the Senate, and the White House? You really have to label these clips when the sky's coming on because I need to know

Starting point is 00:45:35 ahead of time. I really do need to know. It's my problem. House Democrats... You know what, by the way, they don't even discuss it a little bit or it's kind of an undertone but the subtext I think of the anger on the House side is that, hey, this thing Pat, we could have voted, if you're going to just pass it, we could, you know, we're in a couple of districts over here that we can get kicked out by some

Starting point is 00:46:06 upcoming Republicans. It would make us look a little better if we voted yes on this after you guys screwed us. Oh, interesting point. And that's if you listen to the subtext, that's all they're complaining about is that, oh wow, you guys screwed us. I would have voted yes if I knew you were going to do that. Who are the people who voted yes? One guy in the House voted yes, that's a Democrat. Now he's looking good. Yeah, yes. We're back to Scott.

Starting point is 00:46:35 House Democrats felt that they finally had some momentum as the opposition party. The vote over the shutdown was a rare and big piece of leverage for them. To have unity in the House and then have the Senate Democrats shift course at this late stage is a breakdown in strategy. And New York Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez said that it has implications in her view far beyond this one vote. There will be a day where the Senate will need the House to move on something, and if there is an erosion of trust and a breach of trust, such as what is being considered right now, it will make cooperation difficult.

Starting point is 00:47:15 After the vote, she posted that the Democratic votes in the Senate were a, quote, fear-based, inexplicable abdication, and that the Senate owns what happens next. You know, I talked to Democratic strategists about this yesterday and they said that Senate leadership really misread what constituents want for Democrats to hold the line even if it means a shutdown. There's concern that this emboldens the GOP, makes it harder for Democrats to present a unified message. Now Congress is on recess next week.

Starting point is 00:47:42 I expect Democrats will be getting an earful from constituents. Okay. So Schumer voted for it. Fetterman voted for it. Cortez Mastro of Nevada, Nevada, Nevada, Nevada voted for it. Brian Schatz of Hawaii. Dick Durbin of Illinois. Christian, Kirsten Gillibrand of New York, Gary Peters of Michigan, Maggie

Starting point is 00:48:07 Hassan of New Hampshire, Jean Shaheen of New Hampshire, and Angus King of Maine, who is independent but he's kind of on the Democrat side. This was also in an interesting way a moment for AOC to shine. I don't know if you noticed that but she was everywhere and It would be fun to watch but you know, there's a lot of noise now Oh AOC she's gonna she's gonna run for president in 2028. Yes And you know what? I have to tell you she's got a shot Yes, and you know what? I have to tell you she's got a shot. You predicted this when she first showed up on the scene.

Starting point is 00:48:49 You made this idiotic and I'll say it. Yeah, you can say it all you want. You said the same thing when I said about Trump. I also said Trump would win. That this bonehead dits is going to run for president. Yep, yeah, she's going to run for president. Yep. Yeah, she's going to run. Yes. I said she could do it, just like I said Trump could do it in 2015. And let's always remember I predicted the Pope. So you know, Pope. Yeah, well if you predict the next Pope, then I'll defer a little bit more.

Starting point is 00:49:20 A little bit more. A little bit more. If I, well, first of all, this pope isn't dead yet so a little respect please. According to what we know. Well this is true. We don't really know. We're not sure he's alive. Here's your final anal clip. Donald Trump owns the chaos in government. He owns the chaos in the stock market. He owns the damage happening to the economy. But Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer may end up owning some political pain from the shutdown that wasn't.

Starting point is 00:49:52 And PR senior contributor Ron Elving joins us. Ron, thanks so much for being with us. Good to be with you, Scott. What is in this spending agreement to keep the government funded? And why might it come back to haunt the minority leader politically? It's already haunting him. First off, this is not the main event for this year in spending and policy. It's not the package Trump calls his one big beautiful bill. That showdown is coming later. Last night was a vote on

Starting point is 00:50:18 what's called a continuing resolution. We sometimes call it a stopgap spending bill. It's a hangover from last year's failed budget process and it keeps the government running even though the regular spending bills were not enacted last year. We've been running on these stopgaps since last October. They extend the budgeting resolutions of last year with relatively small changes for defense and domestic spending. So the real fight this week was over what this resolution did not do. It was written by Republicans in the House

Starting point is 00:50:49 and Senate. It did not put up a stop sign or guardrails for Trump and Elon Musk. So the current assault on federal agencies and their employees will continue. Assault! With the only pushback really coming from the courts. And a lot of Democrats, certainly the House Democrats, thought the Senate Democrats ought to vote no and confront Trump here, even if it meant a shutdown. Here's House Democratic leader. By the way, this guy's fake teeth are clacking.

Starting point is 00:51:19 You notice that? Yeah. Listen, listen carefully. You'll hear it. It's like clicking and clacking. ...coming from the courts. And a lot of Democrats, House Democrats, thought the Senate Democrats ought to vote no and confront Trump here, even if it meant a shutdown. Here's House Democratic leader Hakeem Jeffries, yesterday being asked about Schumer's future.

Starting point is 00:51:40 Is it time for new leadership in the Senate? Next question. Is it time for new leadership in the Senate? Next question. Yeah, no, next question, like no comment. Look, Schumer and nine other Democrats decided voting for a resolution they hated was the lesser of two evils. They know Trump will see it as a green light, but they believe a shutdown right now would be worse, like waving a red cape in front of a bull.

Starting point is 00:52:03 You know what I'm missing in this report? Do they ever talk to Republicans ever at NPR? No, why bother? They bring Mike Johnson in once in a while to put you to sleep. It's a synambulistic style. Synambulistic, that's a good one. What does that mean? Senambulist? Sleepy. Sleepy. Sleepy. Or putting you, he puts you to sleep. He's a soft spoken guy.

Starting point is 00:52:33 I'm going to set you up for your Khalil clips. Oh yes, good old Khalil. Yes. Muhammad. Muhammad. Muhammad. Muhammad. Muhammad. Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad The Wall Street Journal editorial board writes the administration needs to be careful It's targeting real promoters of terrorism not breaking the great promise of a green card by deporting anyone with controversial political views Can you substantiate any form of material support for terrorism?

Starting point is 00:53:18 specifically to Hamas From this Columbia student or was it simply that he was espousing a controversial political point of view? Well, not just the student we're gonna do more. In fact, we every day now We're approving visa revocations and if that visa led to a green card the green card process as well And here's why it's very simple when you apply that's a new version of Epiphora Instead of saying why he says and here's why of epiphora. Instead of saying why, he says, and here's why.

Starting point is 00:53:48 It's kind of a new take on doing it. That's probably a better way of doing it. Oh, it's much better. Green card, the green card process as well. The reason I say this because Horowitz does this, is that you're talking to a long, and then you, and then you just pause and then you go, why? As opposed to, so it lacks smoothness. This is smoother, which is, Rubio is smooth character. Yes, yes.

Starting point is 00:54:14 Visa led to a green card, the green card process as well, and here's why. It's very simple. When you apply to enter the United States and you get a Visa, you are a guest and you're coming as a student, you're coming as a tourist or what have you. And in it, you have to make certain assertions. And if you tell us when you apply for a visa, I'm coming to the US to participate in pro Hamas events, that runs counter to the foreign policy interest of the United States of America. It's that simple.

Starting point is 00:54:37 So you lied. You came in, if you had told us that you were going to do that, we never would have given you the visa. Now you're here. Now you do it. So you lied to us. You're out lied you lied okay okay well they're not giving up easy or they're faced the nation but is there any evidence of a link to terrorism or is it just his point of view hey we all know that in america even soccer moms can be terrorists

Starting point is 00:55:03 okay i mean come on, CBS. Yeah, they take over, I mean, do not, I mean, you should watch the news. These guys take over entire buildings. We cover it. They vandalize college. We cover it, we are the news. Intensive. They shut down college.

Starting point is 00:55:16 I'm asking about the specific justification for the revocation of his visa. Was there any evidence of material support for terrorism? Was the negotiator on, negotiating on behalf of people that took over a campus, that vandalized buildings. Negotiating over what? That's a crime in and of itself, that they're involved in the meeting of the negotiator, the spokesperson, this, that, the other. We don't need these people in our country.

Starting point is 00:55:35 We never should have- This is one of my pet peeves. I'm hearing this a lot more. This, that, and the other. Maybe it's just me. I have a same pet peeve with Mike Levin. Does he say this, that and the other? He's always saying and so forth, and so on and so forth and so forth.

Starting point is 00:55:55 And he'll just, he says and so on and so forth. And he says and so on and so forth all the time. I've been wanting to put a super clip together of it, a super cut, of it, of just, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it,

Starting point is 00:56:09 of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it, of it Vandalized buildings negotiating over what that's a crime in and of itself that they're involved in the meeting the negotiator the spokesperson this that the other We don't want to we don't need these people in our country that we never should Allow them in in the first place pointed out by the way now. I'm gonna be hearing it. Yeah, you're gonna hear it everywhere It's everywhere if he had told us I'm going over there And I'm going over there to become the spokesperson and one of the leaders of a movement that's gonna turn well

Starting point is 00:56:43 No, of course he's not gonna tell you that, Marco. One of your allegedly elite colleges upside down, people can't even go to school, library buildings being vandalized, we never would have let him in. We never would have let him in to begin with. And now that he's doing it and he's here, he's going to leave and so are others

Starting point is 00:56:57 and we're gonna keep doing it. And by the way, I find it ironic that a lot of these people out there defending the First Amendment speech, alleged free speech rights of these Hamas sympathizers, they had no problem, okay, pressuring social media to censor American political speech. So I think it's ironic and hypocritical. Okay. But is there any- Oops. So before we continue with this, and it sounds like the Secretary of State is saying, well, he lied on his application.

Starting point is 00:57:27 You know, it's like, are you going to be disruptive in America? No, no, of course not. So he lied on his application and the taking over of a building is in of itself a crime. So a lot of people all across the political spectrum are very upset by this. They feel that you have a right to the freedom of speech or as some say, free speech. And I shall read an email that we receive, which I think kind of kicked off. Before you do that, before you read the email, I want to point out something because it will go into my analysis coming up. Yes.

Starting point is 00:58:00 Is that when Rubio is, is full of it and he's promoting something, he's promoting the narrative that's in play, which is what we're hearing. He talks fast. Oh, that's a good tell. That's his tell. He speeds up. Rubio starts going like a maniac. He just goes crazy. You're right.

Starting point is 00:58:22 And there is a difference between a visa and a green card. A green card is a version of a visa. But you would think it was, it's rather extreme to take someone out for this. Especially a student. Of course, as we're about to learn, the student is 31, has been married, has a kid coming up. So it's a valid student. At 31, you can be a student. If any of our daughters were students

Starting point is 00:58:52 at 31, I'd tell them to get their act together. So here's the email we received, which I think started off some searching on our part. Subject, useful idiot for Israel. Subject, useful idiot for Israel. Oh, this one. This is a good one. I was wondering if you're going to bring this into the show. It's a good one. It's too good. It's too good.

Starting point is 00:59:13 You are a pawn to perhaps the greatest human atrocity of our lifetime. You defend Israel as they bomb hospitals and aid stations. And by the way, we continue I have looked at this guy's not a donor to the show. No. Well his name is Blockman Bing. I mean come on. Yeah he's a drive-by. He's a drive-by but I guess I don't think we've ever defended bombing hospitals and aid stations. What he's saying is you don't call it out as genocide. That's really what he's saying but instead don't call it out as genocide. That's really what he's saying.

Starting point is 00:59:45 But instead of saying that, he says you defend. And you defend the censoring and deportation of permanent residents for thought crimes and speech issues. Okay. I don't think we defended it, but alright. You claim no agenda, but your agenda is... Zionism! They are coming after a permanent resident today for thought crimes and supporting terrorism. Tomorrow they'll be droning citizens for supporting terrorism just like Obama did.

Starting point is 01:00:22 I tried to listen to the show because I don't want to be the person that can't see beyond an issue or two Which tells me that? Somehow this show is for some reason important enough for some outfit like I don't know act blue to send people along and Email these boomers. They've got influence. I I don't want to be the person that can't see beyond that issue or two, but to hear you and John so cavalierly dismiss Mamoud Khalil shows me that you two really don't support the freedom in America that I believe in. Sincerely, Blockman Bing. So, and we shared this. I shared this email with John and then for some

Starting point is 01:01:13 reason John started to dig in and I think you came up with some interesting interesting ideas. It didn't take much work. It didn't take much. But let's play two clips first. I got two clips. I got Genocide and Muhammad or Mu-M or Muhammad or whatever his name is. Muhammad, yeah. Muhammad. Part one and two. And these are good preliminary clips that just build onto the problem we have. The Israeli government denies that its campaign against Hamas and Gaza amounts to genocide. South Africa is arguing in the International Court of Justice that it does. The case is yet to be decided.

Starting point is 01:01:46 It's an accusation that rang across the campus of Columbia University last year. We should give this guy just the executive producer credit. I mean, he is on the show constantly. The case is yet to be decided. It's an accusation that rang across the campus of Columbia University last year. Mahmoud Khalil was a prominent part of those protests as a student there. And for his role in those protests, Khalil has been taken into custody by immigration

Starting point is 01:02:12 agents and is now facing deportation. His wife, Noor Abdallah, who is pregnant, gave her first broadcast interview to our colleague, Morning Edition co-host Leila Fadl. Thanks for having me, Scott. Scott M. M. Tell us about the scene. Norabdallah was with her husband when he was detained last weekend. Leila Fadl That's right. She was. Scott M. Oh, man. Do you know what this reminds me of? Scott M. Pillow talk? Scott M.

Starting point is 01:02:38 No. Well, close. Let's see. What was the guy's name again? Oh man, hold on a second, I gotta find it. Charlie Rose, that's what it is. Oh Charlie Rose, oh. Having me Scott. Tell us about the scene. Nora Abdallah was with her husband when he was detained last weekend. Tell me about this sexuality. It's in your DNA.

Starting point is 01:03:08 Same guy. Same guy. Same guy. Beautiful. Same guy. Having me, Scott. Tell us about the scene. Norabdallah was with her husband when he was detained last weekend. That's right. She was. And she said they were coming home from dinner, and as they unlocked the door of their apartment building, a man held it open behind them and asked her husband, are you Mahmoud Khalil? And I'll just play you a bit of what she says happened next. We were both like, what is happening? You know, and he says, I'm with the police, you have

Starting point is 01:03:39 to come with us. I think at that point, like, my heart sank. I want to say Mahmoud tried to prepare me two days before. He told me, do you know your rights if ice comes to your door? And I brushed it off. I was like, what are you saying? That's not going to happen. But he was like, no, you need to know. And so at this point, your heart is sinking. And what is happening in front of you? So Mahmoud is trying to ask the officer, well first he asked him like who are you with? He said Department of Homeland Security and then he asked him can I see a warrant? The officer said he has one.

Starting point is 01:04:17 He's like it's on my phone but never really showed it to us. And then Mahmoud was holding the keys that he had just used to open our apartment and the officer was like give the keys to your wife basically. And I turned to the officer, I was like, I'm not leaving him. And the officer goes, I'll arrest you too. Not one to speculate about personal finances, but for a student at Columbia, he's got an apartment, I presume his wife is not working at this moment as she's about to give birth. She's a dentist.

Starting point is 01:04:47 Oh, she is? Oh, well then, that explains the apartment. And of course, he mentions that he told her about this two days before it happened. Interesting. How did that, how did he know that? Well, let's play part two and then I'll tell you what I think. But she's a U.S. citizen, right? Yeah, I mean, that's part of the reason she didn't take Mahmoud's warnings that he might be deported. Seriously, she was born here. He's a lawful permanent resident.

Starting point is 01:05:12 He has a green card. This, by the way, is quite the meme. Lawful permanent resident. Lawful. This is very important that they keep saying this. Seriously, she was born here. He's a lawful permanent resident. He has a green card.

Starting point is 01:05:27 And she says, as most Americans do, she believed they had the right to say whatever they wanted. And he was using that right to speak up about the treatment of his own people. He's Palestinian. And now, Nora's in this position she never could have imagined, facing the possibility that she's going to have this baby while her husband is detained in Louisiana or possibly deported. Danielle Pletka The government is accusing him of supporting Hamas, which could amount to a violation of US law. What does she say about those accusations? Danielle Pletka Well, she says they've provided no evidence

Starting point is 01:05:57 of that accusation because there isn't evidence. Pete Slauson No evidence. Danielle Pletka She's also never been charged with an actual crime. That would be a crime if he provided support to Hamas. Here's more of what Noor said. I just want to be clear that the smears against Mahmoud are exactly that. They're smears. He has and always will stand up for what's right. And the way that he was taken from his family was not right. The government's actually arguing they can take his green card under a rarely used immigration

Starting point is 01:06:23 provision, not because of a crime. I also asked her if her husband were allowed to return home tomorrow, let's say. Would she feel safe in the US after what's happened? And here's what she said. I love this apartment and I love the place that we live. But I think, I think unfortunately they kind of, they took away that sense of security and that sense of safety, at least for me. And I wasn't sure if she'd lost her sense of safety in the apartment or the country so I asked and she said both

Starting point is 01:06:50 And birthday Lafattal. Thanks so much for being with us. Thanks for having me Scott. Oh, thank you. Thanks in your DNA Thank you so much. Okay, the law is on the books by the way the Yeah, then you know, it's a good bit. It's a good bit. This is a scam. Here, hold on. Let me just read the law. Removal procedures under section 237A4C-I of the Immigration and Nationality Act, which permits deportation of lawful residents

Starting point is 01:07:16 if the secretary of state believes that their presence risks a potentially serious adverse foreign policy consequence. It's a real law. You may not like it, but it's a real law. Okay. Yeah. It's been known for a long time.

Starting point is 01:07:35 This guy's a spook. And this is either an extraction of Khalil, which I think it is, I think it's an extraction, but it could be other things. The fact of the matter is, let's look at this guy's background. And this is easy to discover. Yes, because I pointed it out to you. I would kind of condemn the intelligence agencies for allowing this to be so easily discovered. I did it on two searches and I got very deep. It didn't take anything. It's all public public int as they like to call it. Human humans. Public OS int.

Starting point is 01:08:12 Yeah, open source int. Yeah, that's right. That's what it really is. OSINT. OSINT. Yes. The guy was born, Kalia was born, he keeps being, I thought he was a Syrian, but it turns out he's an Algerian. He was born in a refugee camp in Damascus, Syria, from two Palestinians. They say, oh, he's a Palestinian. He really never lived there. They fled to Lebanon, so he was in Lebanon. He was after the civil war began. And then it went on. He, uh, he, then there was a report on him from this journalist, Lauren bone B O H N.

Starting point is 01:08:52 You should look at her L A U R E N B O H N. She said, uh, got something to do with the Atlantic council. She's a journalist. And you take one look at her and you go, Oh, okay. There's a honeypot. if I've ever seen one. She met Khalil, this is right on the Wiki page. I know. Met Khalil in Beirut while reporting on the refugee crisis and he referred to himself as a double refugee, blah, blah, blah, goes on to report.

Starting point is 01:09:19 She reported that he taught himself English. He's fluent by the way. And it turns out if you look into it he's a polyglot. He can speak a lot of languages. He supposedly through the American educational nonprofit Junsor, which I've been looking into, I haven't gotten too far and I don't care, simultaneously earned a bachelor's degree in computer science. He then worked for the British government foreign commonwealth and development office managing a scholarship program that's very similar to Rhodes Scholarship from the British embassy in Beirut and supporting diplomats with his language skills and local knowledge.

Starting point is 01:10:00 He immigrated to the US on a student visa to attend SIPA. Stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop at SIPA. Do you know who is the Shelby Column Davis professor in practice of the International Diplomacy Directorate of the International Fellowship Program for SIPA? Who? Look it is really very very important that in this period. This is Victoria Nuland. That's who it is. She's at SIPA. She's a professor at SIPA. Look if you I looked at the website the whole thing says spook. Yes in fact I ran a through one of the AI systems, I ran a search on this.

Starting point is 01:10:49 SIPA at Columbia University have any connections to the intelligence agencies. One, the curriculum and faculty, SIPA offers courses related to intelligence such as intelligence and war, taught by faculty with backgrounds in intelligence, a former deputy assistant director of the CIA for Europe and Eurasia, guest speakers and events. SIPA frequently hosts events featuring prominent figures from the intelligence community such as John Brennan, former director of national intelligence, Jim Clapper, career paths. Many SIPA graduates pursue a career in US and foreign government agencies, including intelligence roles, recruitment. Anyway, it goes on and on and on, and it turns out that

Starting point is 01:11:34 it's so obvious that what was going on, because a guy gets a degree in computer science, doesn't all of a sudden be attending SIPA at the age of 30, allowed to get his degree before he's all of a sudden kicked out of the country. Now, either he was, now whether he works, what agency he works for we don't know. He could be an intelligent. I think MI6 is what I'm thinking. I would think MI6 sounds the most reasonable. Because Victoria Nuland, you know, she's a Five Eyes girl. So she's there, not on the behest of the CIA anymore, I'm just presuming, but she pops up everywhere. You know, she's ambassador to the National Endowment for Democracy, she's in USAID, she's in the Council on Foreign Relations,

Starting point is 01:12:19 and then she shows up at SIPA? Come on now, this has got to be a five eyes type counter Intel op from MI6. So they had to get this guy. No. So this guy, it looks like you pull him out, make a big fuss like they're doing. And by the way, again, I condemn the intelligence people for not being able to cover this up better than I can in two searches. Yeah. You can find all this out. I mean, you can just imagine what the Chinese can do. And I will mention something that happened at the dinner table last Friday. JC, who is in AI, said that the Chinese AI stuff,

Starting point is 01:12:57 it's not what you think. It's a lot better. It's better than the, he looked at the algos and he looked at the neural networks they're creating. They're superior to what we have. So if I can find out about Zipa and this character, with a couple of simple searches, the Chinese already know. And he says that the Chinese are ahead of us by a number of years. He says luckily for us, for the Americans, the Chinese government has all of a sudden taken note of this and

Starting point is 01:13:26 they've screwed up with the Chinese government. They've decided this is so important that they're not going to allow their scientists, their AI scientists to… Access to it. No, they've got access to it in China. They won't allow them to go to the international conferences and there's a big confab coming up in the next few months where all the world's guys, all these guys come together because they got nothing but

Starting point is 01:13:49 money except the Chinese. They're not going to show up and so they're going to lose out because of the way you've been to these things. Yes. This group think that's everyone gets together and they all exchange information. They all think the same afterwards and they're all ahead of the game it really works well so this guy is working for someone MI6 probably I would agree and this is an extraction and makes him look good he can be reassigned to something else he looks legit and I

Starting point is 01:14:17 have one other report here which shows that this is this is not about by the way to the guy who wrote us the note about the Bing guy or whatever his name is. Blockman Bing. This is the kind of stupid stooge that is out there in the public that believes everything they're told without thinking twice about it. It took me no time to figure this out. You just sent me the wiki page and I didn't get past the first paragraph and went oh SIPA and then Pure Providence I get that video from Victoria Newland speaking at SIPA

Starting point is 01:14:57 about you know weapons for Ukraine this and that and so then here's this here's a Short here's a clip from ABC and I think they're cleaning house. They're cleaning house of all of the spooks. There's a couple more, some just fleeing the country, and it's not just Colombia. We've ended the tyranny of so-called diversity, equity, and inclusion policies. The United States President Donald Trump is targeting DEI, diversity, equity, and inclusion programs. U.S. Education, Lindsay McMahon on fire. I'm sorry, that's the wrong one. This is the one I meant to play. This is a cell phone video of the Saturday arrest of Mahmoud Khalil.

Starting point is 01:15:34 It was all his eight month pregnant wife could do when ICE agents showed up at their front door. Mahmoud is not here on a student visa. He was previously, but he had become a lawful permanent resident. When I mentioned this to the ICE agent, he said that the Secretary of State was revoking that too. Now a second student has been arrested, Lika Kordia. She and Khalil accused of supporting the terrorist activities of Hamas. So Lika Kordia, who first entered the US in 2016 on a tourism visa, obtained a student visa the next year. In 2021, it was terminated because she'd never showed up at school.

Starting point is 01:16:18 Okay. That's funny. That reminds me of the agency show where the woman is, the African woman never shows up to school. I want to mention one other thing. Let me finish this. There's 49 seconds left. There's more.

Starting point is 01:16:30 Supporting the terrorist activities of Hamas for taking part in the Hamilton Hall takeover last April, the Ivy League institution announcing today that 22 students have now been sanctioned for the events of last year, ranging from multi-year suspensions, temporary degree revocations and expulsions. The disciplinary action that has been taken against these students is coming far, far too late. A third student, Ranjani Srinivasan, is seen rushing to catch a flight at the Guwahati airport back home to India. Her visa revoked a week ago by DHS. We have to draw the line here at Columbia to say they cannot get away with this and

Starting point is 01:17:10 we have to mobilize people from within the university, from within the community. In protest continue outside the gates of Columbia University, not backing down despite the latest escalation by the Trump administration. I don't need to play it, but I think they're using DEI to root all this out and to get and to cut funding to these universities. Johns Hopkins, more than 2,000 people fired. So the federal government has been paying these universities and that's what's been supporting a lot of this nonsense.

Starting point is 01:17:40 I think that the whole Hamas protest movement may be a government op. Could very well likely be. And let me mention this guy's wife, the dentist, Khalil's wife. I want to just read this and if this doesn't sound like something dubious, I don't know what does. The couple had met in 2016, this is the dentist woman, when Abdallah was her name, joined a volunteer program, she's an American. She's an American. Joined a volunteer program that Khalil was overseeing in Lebanon.

Starting point is 01:18:12 Oh yeah. That's what students do. That's what students do. They're expecting their first child late April, 2025. So they're having, okay, but okay. So they had a long distance relationship while he's in Lebanon. She's over here. This is just bull crap. I spot the spook spot the spook. Everybody wants to spot the spook. Yeah. Yeah, baby. So along these lines, oops,

Starting point is 01:18:43 along these lines, something else happened, which is kind of almost like the other shoe dropping. President Trump went to the Department of Justice. Oh, no president ever speaks there. You're supposed to show independence. It's not good. What's he doing? They found out about Operation Arctic Freeze. I don't have any clips of it, but Operation Arctic Freeze is where during the Biden administration,

Starting point is 01:19:12 they seized the cell phones of, at that point, former President Trump and a couple other people and the FBI was just rooting through it, just looking at whatever they wanted to so they could you know That's how the whole Jack. What's the guy's name? Smith Jackson. I say Jack White Jack Smith, you know So that's where that all came from from stuff on the cell phone but the president wrote up in another executive order and This is a bit of a prelude to it The voice of America's continuous now as part of instructions for certain federal agencies to reduce their operations to the bare minimum,

Starting point is 01:19:50 has taken on publicly funded broadcasters, signing an executive order aimed at the US agency for global media, which houses Voice of America and other radio stations. On Saturday, former news anchor Carrie Lake, Trump's senior advisor to the agency, posted on X that employees should check their email. On Saturday, former news anchor Carrie Lake, Trump's senior adviser to the agency, posted on X that employees should check their email. That coincided with notices going out placing Voice of America staff on paid administrative leave. Reporters Without Borders says that the Trump administration's decision is the latest abandonment

Starting point is 01:20:18 of the US's historic role in championing press freedom. If America steps away from the free press and abandons all the outlets that we're broadcasting abroad, we will see the increase which we're already seeing on social media of propaganda. And America's geopolitical enemies are just waiting for that. This is the biggest present Donald Trump could ever give to Vladimir Putin. Voice of America is an international media broadcaster that operates in more than 40 languages. The Agency for Global Media also funds Radio Free Europe, Radio Liberty and Radio Free Asia. The reductions are especially provocative because the agency is independent, chartered by Congress, which passed a law in 2020 limiting the power of the agency's

Starting point is 01:21:09 presidentially appointed executives. So I was already wondering, why do they make Kerry Lake head of the United States government media organization? I have two voices in America clips. Hold on, I just want to read something. The reason, so you'll recall the Smith-Munt Act which meant, hey, the government can't propagandize our own people in the United States. You know, gee, isn't it great that we have Voice of America to propagandize other countries? It was overturned in 2012 under President Obama

Starting point is 01:21:47 It was overturned in 2012 under President Obama and that was shoved into the National Defense Authorization Act. Just a reminder what the change was about, and just one paragraph, the Act was developed to regulate broadcasting of programs for foreign audiences produced under the guidance of the State Department and it prohibited domestic dissemination of materials produced by such programs as one of its provisions. The original version of the Act was amended by the Smith-Mund Modernization Act of 2012 which allowed for materials produced by the State Department at the time Hillary Clinton and the Broadcasting Board of Governors which is Voice of America, Voice of Europe and at one point was run by Tucker Carlson's dad, to be made available within the United States. This was propaganda that was being bestowed upon people in America by a rather large media organization filled with nut jobs.

Starting point is 01:22:38 Or as the White House wrote, the voice of radical America. President Trump's executive order on Friday will ensure that taxpayers no longer on the hook for radical propaganda. So yes, this is a very good thing. Get rid of it. And I think that's why President Trump keeps saying, MSNBC, what they're doing is illegal, although they're not part of the, unless they're being paid by the government. Well, you never know.

Starting point is 01:23:08 You never know. It's USAID money. Well, this executive order, defunded and does away with, see if you catch anything, the Federal Mediation and Conciliation Service, the United States Agency for Global Media, that's the voice of America.

Starting point is 01:23:26 The Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars in the Smithsonian Institute. Isn't that that former Republican lady who runs that, the Woodrow Wilson Institute? I didn't know anything about that. Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah. She's... I forget her name. I can tell you her name. Woodrow Wilson. No, I can't, I guess.

Starting point is 01:23:46 Wilson. Anyway, doesn't matter. I can't remember her name. The Institute of Museum and Library Services, the United States Interagency Council on Homelessness, there's a good one, the Community Development Financial Institutions Fund, and the Minority Business Development Agency. So these were all defunded. And probably with good reason. Yeah, they didn't do anything except pass money around to their pals.

Starting point is 01:24:19 So I have two clips. I have the BBC clip, which is unfortunately says V instead of V-O-A. And I think probably the BBC clip which is unfortunately says V instead of VOA And I think probably the shortest clip when they would just they just throw it out There is the NPR clip. Let's play that first in the BBC clip Employees of the Voice of America showed up at work today to learn they've been locked out President Trump last night ordered its parent agency the the U S agency for global media, to eliminate all activities not required by law.

Starting point is 01:24:52 More than a thousand full-time workers at the voice of America and radio and television, Marty were affected. What? Thousand thousand thousand people work at voice. We're doing what? A thousand people. That's a lot of podcasts, baby. Uh, and so I did a Voice of America broadcast once. Oh really? Yeah.

Starting point is 01:25:09 Some years back when I had my telecommunications book and I was doing a media tour. Now they think about it. I think I was, when podcasting was, was popping, I think I was interviewed by Voice of America. Yeah. I was actually in their studios. Oh no, no, no. It was a phoner for me, baby. Just aer. In fact, the studios were so cool because they were just... every time I go to some public radio thing, they're throwing stuff out. And so they were throwing... This is the Voice of America, broadcasting propaganda around the world. So they were throwing out these IBM clocks. Ooh. I grabbed one, I have it still. The synchronized clocks? Yes, exactly.

Starting point is 01:25:48 The synchro clocks. Oh, those are beautiful. And it's a big clock and it says IBM on it because IBM used to make them and they don't anymore obviously. It's like IBM, the butcher scales used to make those too. And the clock goes click, click, click. And you have to get a little adapter for it because it works on 50 cycles or something. It's very screwy. And they're all synced throughout the building and they had a big pile of these. I said, what are these? They said, oh, those are the sync clocks. We don't use them anymore. We've gone digital and they have these digital clocks now. And so I said, what are you going to do with them? You're going to get thrown out. I said, can I have one? Yeah, sure.

Starting point is 01:26:27 You didn't get the synchronizer though, did you? No, I didn't. No, but I got the plans for it. And 30 years later, we still have to heat up the soldering iron, but it's coming. But you have the clock and it's like click, click, click, clock. I know the Dutch broadcasting corporation had the same, I know it must have been from Siemens probably. They had the same system, big clock, huge secondhand click, click, all synchronized. Yeah, click, click, click.

Starting point is 01:26:57 Yeah, it was really cool. So that was interesting. Big studios, it was just, just definitely had money to spend. So here's the BBC's version of the same. We got you all got fired clip. President Trump has taken steps to slash the U.S. government's foreign broadcasting effort. More than a thousand voice of American journalists are being put on administrative leave and funding for its sister services is being halted immediately.

Starting point is 01:27:24 More from Peter Hyatt. VOA and its sister services aimed at Europe, Asia and Cuba were set up to spread American values and accurate news to societies which didn't have them, especially during the Cold War. They have an estimated 400 million listeners. But some Republicans say the stations are biased against conservatives. And now their new ultimate boss, Curry Lake,

Starting point is 01:27:44 has said they're being streamlined to what the law requires in order to eliminate waste, fraud and abuse. The US government isn't saying whether the stations which are broadly equivalent to the BBC World Service are being closed down completely, but the director of VOA says he and virtually his entire staff of 1300 people have been put on indefinite paid leave. Oh, paid leave? They're going to be podcasting. They're going to be podcasting. Yeah, well, I'm paid leave. There you must go podcast. Just about clocks for a second.

Starting point is 01:28:13 Researchers at Edinburgh University have tested the ability of seven well-known multimodal large language models. And it turns out if you give them, if you give these multimodal, because that means they can look at pictures, if you give them a picture of an analog clock and ask it what time is it, it can't tell you. Oh, it's just like a millennial. Exactly. Or you know, a Gen Z. It's the Gen Z's that can't read clock.

Starting point is 01:28:41 It can't tell time. Which I thought was kind of poetic somehow. It is kind of poetic because it's so screwy. Yeah, it can't... No, if you think about time telling time, now you should think, if you should really think about it and you understand that the Gen Zs call it, you know, reading clock, it is kind of screwy. They fed the models different images of analog clocks

Starting point is 01:29:06 timekeepers with Roman numerals which really screwed it up different dial colors even some missing the second hand as well as 10 years they can't even figure out calendar images it can't look at a calendar and then you know parse next week from it just it's what you it's what you get when you train it on Reddit, I guess. Before we move on, just because I have it, let me just play this SIPA clip from Victoria Newland that might lead us into another topic here. So here, this is her as the professor of internal, international diplomacy, director of international fellow program at Columbia SIPA.

Starting point is 01:29:50 Look, it is really very, very important. Just have a second. I don't think we ever explained what SIPA stands for. Okay. It's the School of International, oh, now I forgot. No, I can look it up, I have it here. School of International. And Public Affairs. No, I can look it up. I have it here. School of International Public Affairs.

Starting point is 01:30:07 Public Affairs, yes. International Public Affairs. Which is code for Spook School. Yeah, and why would a computer scientist go there? It makes no sense. Spook School. It's definitely one of those. Look, it is really very, very important that in this period that Europe not only be able

Starting point is 01:30:24 to step up, but step up fast. Because as the artillery shells run out, as the air defense interceptors run out, as the ability to produce drones at scale, which have made the difference for Ukraine on the battlefield, gets harder. Europe has the capacity not only with these proposals, but conceivably collateralizing against frozen assets that they are holding of Putin's, at least for a short time, to do more and to do it fast. The thing that's concerning me most today is the cutoff of intelligence streams from the United States and pressure on allies like the UK not to use

Starting point is 01:31:07 US intelligence for their own weapons. The primary purpose of US intelligence has been to help the Ukrainians see Russian attacks coming and have advanced warning. There are also key weapons systems that do not cue and do not hit their targets without support from US satellite queuing and the military GPS system. So people are going to die. Ukrainians are going to die, more of them, if this pause lasts significantly longer. It is dangerous and it's not a capability that Europe can replace with

Starting point is 01:31:47 any kind of speed. That's correct. And imagine my delight and my joy Friday as I'm sitting down to do the podcasting 2.0 board meeting podcast and I see on my quad screen, Mark Rutte in the White House. Hello, Mr. President. This is great. I am your number one sales guy.

Starting point is 01:32:10 First of all, thank you so much, Mr. President, dear Donald again for hosting me. Dear Donald, dear Donald. Hey, dear Donald. Dear Donald. Thank you, dear Donald. For hosting me and also for taking time in Florida. A couple of weeks after you were reelected. And of course our phone call a couple of weeks ago. Donald.

Starting point is 01:32:29 You see, he had phone calls with Mark to talk about the sales program. You originated the fact that in Europe, you're now spending, when you take it to aggregate, 700 billion more on defense than when you came in office in 2016-2017. But that was Trump 45. But when you look at Trump 47, what happened the last couple of weeks is really staggering. Staggering? It is staggering, Mr. President! I cannot believe the numbers! What happened the last couple of weeks is really staggering the Europeans committing to a package of 800 billion defense spending the Germans now

Starting point is 01:33:12 potentially up to half a trillion extra in defense spending and then of course you have Here start me here the British Prime Minister and others all committing to much higher defense spending. They're not there We need to do more. We need more. We need more. I'm going back out soon Mr. Donald, dear Donald, to get more. All committing to much higher defense spending. We're not there, we need to do more. But I really want to work together with you in a run-up to the DHEC summit to make sure that we will have a NATO which is really reinvigorated under your leadership. And we are getting there. Yes we are getting there there almost achieved my goals. We also discussed Defense production and because we need to produce more weaponry. We are not doing enough. Yes, and not in the US

Starting point is 01:33:53 I'm not we're not doing enough. We had to do more much much more use more weaponry We are not doing enough and not in the US not in Europe And we are lacking the height when you compare to the Russians and the Chinese. And you have a huge defence industry on the edge. Huge! Europeans are buying four times more here than the other way around, which is good because you have a strong defence industry, but we need to do more there to make sure that we run part of the production and kill the red tape. So I would love to work with you on

Starting point is 01:34:23 that. And finally, Ukraine, you broke the deadlock. As I would love to work with you on that. And finally Ukraine, you broke the deadlock. As you said, all the killing, the young people dying, cities getting destroyed. People dying? The fact that you did that, that you started the dialogue with the Russians and the successful talks in Saudi Arabia now with the Ukrainians. But wait, here it comes, I have an invitation for you. I really want to commend you for this, so well, the Hague is my hometown. I'd love to host you there in the summer and work together to make sure that that will be a splash. A real success project...

Starting point is 01:34:52 A splash? We... oh, come... come to the Hague, I will host you there and we will make a big splash! I really want to commend you for this, so well, the Hague is my hometown. I'd love to host you there in the summer and work together to make sure that that will be a splash, a real success projecting American power on the world stage. Yes, power, American power. This guy is our schleb. He's fantastic.

Starting point is 01:35:19 He, so all that money that Ursula is raising, Mark Rutte is going to make sure that it's spent here. That's what I'm here. That's what I'm good. I can't believe it. I love how the president's saying that. Mark was a great, he was a great prime minister for the Netherlands.

Starting point is 01:35:37 The Netherlands went, what? What are you saying? The guy sucked. He was an HR admin for, what's the British? Unilever. Unilever, yeah, Unilever for soap, for shampoo. The soap guy. The soap guy.

Starting point is 01:35:54 But wait, wait, wait. Germany is really serious. Welcome back to World Affairs in Context, everyone. Thank you so much for being here. After laying off thousands of employees and closing several factories for the first time in its history, Volkswagen made a quite shocking announcement. The company's CEO said that it now welcomes an opportunity to produce weapons as part of the EU's multi-billion euro militarization plan.

Starting point is 01:36:25 Huh, where have I heard this before? Where have I heard Volkswagen doing weapons? A Germany idle production capacity in the struggling car industry is likely to be repurposed, is likely to be converted for the defense industry, or if you'd like to be more straightforward and honest, for the offense industry. You may recall that in early March, Ursula von der Leyen announced the need to rearm Europe and to create two separate funds of up to $870 billion in total.

Starting point is 01:37:02 And so this is just part of the plan. I will remind you that during World War II, Volkswagen produced military vehicles and they also produced bombs. They produced flying bombs for the Wehrmacht. Or in other words, for Hitler's armed Nazi forces. So Volkswagen is going back in time in a sense. We're getting the band back together, baby. We're gonna do V2 flying bombs.

Starting point is 01:37:28 This is really great. This is amazing. This is amazing. I mean, it's like they're not... I mean, all this money, I mean, now it's over 10 years. So what is it? We've never been able to extract ourselves from this completely That's the problem. No

Starting point is 01:37:48 No, we always get suckered into it. You know, the bankers get this day I mean if we had not gotten involved in World War one, I think it had been a different situation Every I think it would be a much more peaceful world. So in the in the European Union In I'm sorry in Parliament. We, what's this guy's name? Barry Andrews, I think he's one of the Irish members of Parliament. Troublemaker. He's a big troublemaker. We need some money.

Starting point is 01:38:20 We know where to get it. President, Commissioner Hanson, I want to add my voice of support to the argument for the use of immobilized Russian assets for Ukraine. At the very least we should assert the legal right to seize those assets and apply them to the reconstruction of Ukraine. I have to say I find it very hard to take seriously the sovereign right argument made by Russia and its sympathizers in circumstances where Russia has demonstrated a complete and consistent disregard for the sovereignty and territorial integrity of its neighbors. It would be a proportional

Starting point is 01:38:53 response by the EU to apply these assets to Ukraine given the estimated 500 billion euro in damage done to Ukraine's economy. I have to say that I am informed that the Irish government will bring forward legislation in the next two weeks called the Criminal Justice Violation of EU's Restrictive Measures Bill. The legal basis for the use of these assets is sound and made out by other speakers. All that remains is for us to send a strong political signal reinforcing the international norm against aggression. Thank you. So no, the actual troublemaker is Luis Alviz Perez Fernandez.

Starting point is 01:39:33 He was elected to European Parliament on behalf of Spain in 2024. Before that, he was an influencer on social media and he's the troublemaker. Bueno, bueno, es poraker. Bueno, bueno. Es por... Bueno, bueno. When anyone starts with bueno, bueno, you know it's not good. Bueno, bueno. Es por...

Starting point is 01:39:52 Well, well. So, if you're Russian, we can take stuff away from you. We can do it with redheads next? What's next? Alluding to the Irish parliament member. What's next? Redheads? From you. We can do it with redheads member. What's next? Redheads? We're going to do it with redheads next. What's next? What are we going to do? Give more power to the bureaucrats in Brussels, the Eurocrats, that decide what happens to everyone's lives.

Starting point is 01:40:18 We've faced with an economic crisis and what we're saying is more control, more centralization, bring everything to Brussels and who cares about the blood which has been shed in Ukraine or anywhere else, let's just make more arms dealers and arms manufacturers millionaires. The Fond de Lyon knew that they had had weapons in Russia for a long time, now we say we have to defend ourselves from Russia. They've got four times less tanks than the EU. These tyrants, we're talking about 20% of Ukrainian territory. Let's do away with this circus, this bellicose circus that we call the EU. It's extremely dangerous, leaving everything in the hands

Starting point is 01:41:05 of Eurocrats and murderers. No, what could possibly go wrong? No, no, no. And then in the UK... It's the new Farage, that guy. Yeah, well, unfortunately, it's only in Spanish. In the UK, another influencer, Jasmine Brittle, Jasmine is just astounded by the money that's available all of a sudden. people but now suddenly miraculously we can come up with billions to give away to a war in another country and then people suddenly we can sacrifice young people whereas during covid remember we all had to stay indoors in order to save granny but now suddenly that doesn't mean anything because we can send out young people, boys

Starting point is 01:42:05 and girls, to go and fight in another country. And also climate change. Isn't it amazing that suddenly nobody's talking about the effects of war on climate change? Net zero's not mentioned. No. I mean, taking all sorts of horrendous weapons into another country, blowing things up. I mean, can you imagine what that would potentially do to the climate, to pollution levels? Nobody mentions that.

Starting point is 01:42:35 I'm not hearing Greta Thunberg do anything. She's not saying a word. The Greens are entirely silent. Nobody says anything about that because everything, everything is pushed aside for some crazy war in Ukraine. How marvellous. How marvellous. Oh no, oh everyone's all in on the coalition of the willing. A group of countries led by the UK and France stepping up efforts to ensure Ukraine and Europe's future security

Starting point is 01:43:06 as a peace deal with Russia could be on the cards. The virtual summit was hosted by British Prime Minister Keir Starmer and was organised in order to exert more pressure on Russian President Vladimir Putin into accepting a 30-day ceasefire proposed by the US and backed by Kiev. We agreed we will keep increasing the pressure on Russia, keep the military aid flowing to Ukraine and keep tightening restrictions on Russia's economy to weaken Putin's war machine and bring him to the table. The meeting follows a dramatic rapprochement between Moscow and the Trump administration

Starting point is 01:43:40 and comes as a gesture of support from Europe for Ukraine in the wake of the United States' foreign policy change. Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky has repeatedly expressed his country's support for the proposed ceasefire, urging allies to put pressure on Russia. I ask you to talk to America, to President Trump, to help bring this faster. This can happen through full sanctions for ensuring that the aggressor gains nothing from this war." The coalition have proposed a strategy aimed at increasing military aid to Ukraine as well as boosting their own defence spending in order to ensure security on the continent, while also deploying European forces to Ukraine in the case of a ceasefire in order to deter

Starting point is 01:44:24 future Russian attacks. deploying European forces to Ukraine in the case of a ceasefire in order to deter future Russian attacks. Military leaders from around 30 countries will meet in London on Thursday as the coalition moves into the operational phase. I don't know what's happening anymore. Are they going to give the money to us or are they going to give it to Volkswagen? I don't understand. Both.

Starting point is 01:44:41 Both. Yeah. Do you have any? I have more. I don't know if you have anything on Ukraine. Do I have anything on… Well, I do have the encirclement thing because there's a controversy over the encirclement of Kursk.

Starting point is 01:45:00 Yes. I have it listed under Lursk in this particular… It's obvious. And this is interesting because it contradicts what we talked about in the last show. Ukrainian forces are on the defensive in Kursk, the region of Western Russia they invaded and occupied six months ago. Russia's defense minister said it had retaken two more villages from retreating Ukrainian forces. But are they surrounded? Well, Donald Trump's claimed

Starting point is 01:45:26 thousands are and pleaded with Vladimir Putin for their lives. Russia's president has in turn said Ukrainian troops would be given decent treatment if they surrendered. But President Zelensky said this was not right. The encirclement of the Ukrainian military is a lie of Putin. There is no encirclement of the Ukrainian military in the Kursk region. What kind of signals are these coming from the Russian side? I think that Russia wants to surround the Ukrainian military in the same way, but on the territory of Ukraine. The respected US think tank, the Institute for the Study of War, said it had observed no geolocated evidence to indicate Russian forces had encircled a significant number of Ukrainian troops.

Starting point is 01:46:12 It said Mr Putin was seeking to present himself as a merciful leader and distract from his refusal to agree an immediate ceasefire. I think this is a new one to use. No geospatial evidence. Not just no evidence. There's no geospatial evidence. Not just no evidence. There's no geospatial as evidence. I have similar reports from Andrew Rasulis, who's the Canadian former defense guy, and he's actually in Poland now. I think training with the

Starting point is 01:46:40 Polish, the Canadian troops are training with the Polish troops getting ready for something that sounds like a really bad idea. That's most of our show. And so the first question is, you know, so really seems like Ukraine is all in, they're good to go. Why is Putin resisting? What is happening? What do you think could be the reasons behind Putin's reluctance to fully accept ceasefire under these terms? The first part of the but and the big part is the Russians will not agree, in my opinion, with a ceasefire until they have pushed back all of the Ukrainian forces that entered into

Starting point is 01:47:23 Russia proper in the Kursk Oblast last summer. At that time, Putin was very clear. He made a statement saying the Ukrainians, by doing this incursion, are trying to get a negotiating bargaining chip to leverage off the territories that Russia has in Ukraine. And he said, that's not going to happen and Basically, the Russians have been increasing the tempo of their counteroffensive operations Throughout the fall and we're now at the point where the Ukrainians are holding on to Certainly less than 50 percent of the territory they took last summer and it could be down to maybe 20 or 30 percent I mean Putin has said that they're surrounded, but that's being disputed.

Starting point is 01:48:06 But the point is, he wants to push the Ukrainians out, no bargaining chip for Ukraine to leverage that salient against what the Russians hold in Ukraine. So he goes a little bit deeper on the, are they surrounded or not? You mentioned these kind of conflicting reports whether Ukrainian troops are in fact encircled in the Kursk Oblast, in the Kursk region. Ukrainians are denying it, they're saying Putin's claims are false. How do you interpret these differing reports? Based on the various sources that I've been able to access, it would seem that the Ukrainians are being pushed, but

Starting point is 01:48:46 they're not surrounded in the sense that they still have an exit route back to Ukraine. So they're not completely surrounded, but they are being pressured in a cauldron. You can call it like that, but it's not completely closed at the other end toward the Ukrainian border. A cauldron? Hmm. So there's holes in the plan. Holes in the plan.

Starting point is 01:49:08 And then of course... There's a lot of area so I can see it. Yeah. That's believable. So the real question is, will President Putin accept the coalition of the willing or will it have to be something else? And once again, I think I've predicted the answer.

Starting point is 01:49:22 Yeah, he's not going to agree to a Western European, Canadian peacekeeping force which he sees as basically a NATO light. He'll look at more like a UN force of neutral countries that are not providing assistance to Ukraine as an eventual peacekeeping force. But also he's looking beyond 30 days. You know what's going gonna happen after 30 days So he wants to make sure that Russia's position going into a ceasefire whenever they are ready and one day they will be ready But they're gonna make sure that they're in an advantageous position to then have the ceasefire and then negotiate from a position of strength

Starting point is 01:50:01 the follow-on peace agreement because the Russians are very keen to make sure that they have a comprehensive peace settlement that's bolted on to the ceasefire. Blue helmets, blue helmets incoming. This is uh... That would make sense and that would be it sounds like a negotiable thing. Well, we won't do this but we'll do that. Because he has to give in on something because he said he doesn't want any security forces in there but I bet you'd go for that. Yeah, because there's a bunch of boneheads. And they're gonna give the Ukraine, in fact if it goes according to form, every Ukrainian will get cholera.

Starting point is 01:50:36 Cholera incoming! Cheryl Atkinson had a sit down with President Trump. Are you speaking to Putin in the last days or hours personally? Well I don't want to say it but we are dealing with him and I think... What is this I don't want to say it but we are dealing with... I don't want to say it but... Look what this is interesting, let me hear that again. Are you speaking to Putin in the last days or hours personally? that again. As you know, we have a ceasefire agreement with the Ukrainian group, and we are trying to get that with Russia too.

Starting point is 01:51:30 And I think thus far it's gone okay. We'll know a little bit more on Monday, and that'll be hopefully good. I'm not understating the complexity of all this, but as a candidate, you said you would have this war settled in 24 hours. Well I was being a little bit sarcastic when I said that. I was being sarcastic? A little bit sarcastic? Oh. That's a funny definition of the word sarcastic. That is an incorrect definition of sarcastic, Mr. President. We're not buying that one.

Starting point is 01:52:01 Well I was being a little bit sarcastic when I said that. What I really mean is I'd like to get it settled. And I'll... Hold on. The word he should have used instead of sarcastic, which was a mistake. I think he may be getting old. Big mistake. He should have said hopeful.

Starting point is 01:52:23 If you substitute the word hopeful, which is a great political term to use because hope is a big deal according to a lot of research. So if he said, wow, it's just being hopeful, then it would have been soft and it wouldn't have been subject to our ridicule or anybody else's for that matter. I think it's very damning. I mean, it's no good. I don't think you or I thought that he could fix it within 24 hours, but then to say I was being sarcastic. Yeah, no, he screwed up.

Starting point is 01:52:55 That was a screw up. These are not the words of a Wharton School of Business graduate, Mr. President. This is no good. Well, I was being a little bit sarcastic when I said that. What I really mean is I'd like to get it settled. And I think I'll be successful. What's the plan if Putin doesn't agree to a ceasefire?

Starting point is 01:53:19 Bad news for this world because so many people are dying. But I think he's going to agree. I really do. I think I know him pretty well and I think he's going to agree. Okay, we shall see. He thinks he's going to agree. We shall see.

Starting point is 01:53:39 Let me see. Yeah, there was a term that I heard on the Bloomberg surveillance podcast from HSBC, these tariffs, the on again off again, which I believe is meant to, and I'm seeing this everywhere now. It's like, is everyone listening to the show or was it so obvious? I'm seeing a lot of people saying, oh, Trump's doing this to bring the economy down. Now they all also say, and then the fed will have to cut rates. I don't think that's that easy.

Starting point is 01:54:11 And also the market is up and down, up and down. Yeah. The market was up again. Pre did a bunch of shows for NPR for the weekend and they're going on and on about the market being down, but it went up over 2% on Friday. It rocketed back. Wait a minute, you guys screwed up that one. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:54:30 So here's the Bloomberg Surveillance Podcast and they have a term which I think maybe a DH Unplugged could use. Now from HSBC, Max Kenton there. I think we're still tactically quite cautious on equities overall, particularly of course in the US. We've just put out a note this morning. I think this is the kind of time where you need to update your framework, your indicators pretty much on an hourly basis because like you guys were just discussing, of course even yesterday things were changing pretty much three times during the day. So when

Starting point is 01:54:58 we look at our indicators at the moment, particularly from a systematic perspective, of course yes there has been quite a bit of systematic selling, but what we're not yet seeing is this sort of final puke. So when we look, for example, at our momentum slash CTA indicators, they are bearish. They flipped from maximum bullish to bearish, but they're only at sort of medium bearish levels until now.

Starting point is 01:55:22 So we need, I think, for us to be comfortable to go back in and to buy the dip, I think we need a bit more sort of a puke moment in equities to really say, right, this is the all clear, now positioning is clear enough. Remember what Powell was saying on Friday, we're in no hurry at all to do anything in rates. Max, a lot to unpack there, let's start with the technical term puke. What does the cathartic puke look like? We had a 10% decline at one point in yesterday's session,

Starting point is 01:55:48 so entered correction territory briefly. If it's not that, what is it? I think what we need to see is broader-based. I think what you would want to see is sort of the final broad-based puke, where it's not just tech and the high-multiple stuff that gets hammered, but really the broader market, where perhaps even the equal-weighted S&P underperforms the cap-weighted S&P, we're really playing US recession fears, and that should spill over into global equity markets.

Starting point is 01:56:13 Once we've got that, I think that is then sort of the final puke. I think this conversation needs a bit of antacid. Okay, I have to chime in here. This was a bet. This is inside broadcasting. This is the kind of thing. It's a podcast. It's a podcast.

Starting point is 01:56:35 There was a bet involved. I am going to introduce the word. Can you use the word puke? I'm going to not only use the word puke and and I'll bet you a hundred bucks I'll use it ten times in different ways, and it's going to catch on. This is bull crap. I can't wait to hear Andrew Horowitz talking about the market's final puke. We need a big puke.

Starting point is 01:56:57 Final puke. I like final puke. That's kind of cute. We need a projectile puke. We need something really good to get this market back in its spot so we can update our indicators. I don't know, man. I, uh, I just love the financial guys. They don't know what they're doing anymore.

Starting point is 01:57:13 They never have known what they're doing. It's all been smoking mirrors. No kidding. If it goes up, you have the same reason they went down. You buy, buy, just buy. Yeah. If you're on CNBC, it's bye, bye, bye. And with that, I want to thank you for your courage.

Starting point is 01:57:27 Say in the morning to you, the man who put the C in the Ukrainian cauldron, say hello to my friend on the other end, the one, the only Mr. John C. DeMora. Now in the morning to you Mr. Anker, in the morning all ships and sea boots on the ground feet and the air subs in the water and the dames and nights out there. In the morning to the trolls hanging out in the troll room. Let's stop, stop moving, let me count you, there we go.

Starting point is 01:57:50 Choke out the 20, I don't care, don't care, don't care. Okay. I think it's around average 2535. 2535. That sounds right. And, well let me just check the averages last Sunday was 2452 it is below the 10 show average but above the last 100 show average, which is 2291 so yes, I love these averages

Starting point is 01:58:20 Yeah, you do. I really do it sucker for bull crap Is bull crap by the way, I do want to say that, you know, I was very egotistical just talking about the fire here in in Fredericksburg and in Hill Country. The tornadoes have been pretty bad across Alabama, Tennessee. What do you mean egotistical? Well, because I gave a factual report. Yeah, but I only talked about our strife and not about other people's strife.

Starting point is 01:58:50 Yeah, well that was what people wanted to hear. Yeah, I know, okay. Well, there you go. So I was spot on the money. You were. Screw ya. I was very worried. I was frightened.

Starting point is 01:59:01 You know, the story nails are terrible. It's got nothing to do with you. And you know what the first report was? I hate to say it, but it's always some poor guy in a mobile home it's like yes always the mobile homes they're magnetic it's tracked them for some reason yeah Louisiana 34 people killed yesterday according to Jeremy the Dell dealer so it's not good it's not good anyway those trolls I don't know if anyone is from Louisiana, but the trolls are hanging

Starting point is 01:59:28 out in the troll room at trollroom.io. They might be listening on a modern podcast. I checked actually. You'd think that Fountain was a leading app. It turns out 17% of people listen to this show on Podverse, which I was surprised by. How did you get that number? Oh, at op3.dev. Sorry I asked.

Starting point is 01:59:50 This is another part. This is an open source download system, which the numbers really don't matter as long as everybody uses it. And a lot of people are starting to use it so you can all kind of see what you're doing. You know, we have in the month of February, which is a short month, we had 875,000 unique people downloading the show, whatever that means. But Podverse, you know how many people listen at NoAgendaShow.net on the website? Just take a guess. Lots. 11%. How many people listen at NoAgendaShow.net on the website? Just take a guess.

Starting point is 02:00:26 Lots. 11%. Yeah, it didn't surprise me. I listen to most podcasts online like that. It's surprising. I think the concept of a podcast app is kind of a little outdated. Well, not if it's only 11%. That means that 90% of people are using it on an app.

Starting point is 02:00:44 Oh, no. All kinds of different things. That's just no agenda show,.NET. People who listen to it from other places, it's amazing. What's the number of people using it on an app? Because an app is the original podcast concept. The total number is less than half. Well, it's still a good number. I think that people- Is it growing or shrinking?

Starting point is 02:01:04 There's the question. The apps that- Is it growing or shrinking? There's the question. The apps are shrinking. What is the vector? The vector directional, I don't have another word for it, is down on apps. And I think it's because, well, first of all, back when we created podcast apps, there was no bandwidth. You had maybe always on computing.

Starting point is 02:01:27 So you want, and you had one device, it was the iPod. You didn't have a smartphone. Now you just tap on something, it plays right away. The whole point was it downloads your podcast when you're sleeping or whatever. It keeps it. Yeah, and you pick up your iPod and you got your new shows. I think, I think really what is it?

Starting point is 02:01:43 It's the inbox fatigue. Because you look at your podcast app and like, oh, I got 57 shows I haven't listened to. I think it's depressing people. That's just my thinking, I don't know. Well, I know Mimi listens when it's either, she listens streaming. And then if she misses it, she's like,

Starting point is 02:02:03 eh, maybe I'll catch next show. She sent me a note. She sent me a note. Drat the luck she says, there goes my leverage over John. Oh, about the, about the, about the ISOs. The fact that you discovered my 11 labs trick. Yes. I guess she was lording that over you like take out the garbage or I'm going to tell Adam. What? Do the garbage or I'm going to tell Adam. Do the laundry. I'm going to tell Adam. Was she doing that to you, man? Was she doing that?

Starting point is 02:02:30 Yeah, that's all she does. Oh, this is horrible. Points of leverage. It's like a normal marriage. This is what you do. Maybe after 35 years. How long have you guys been married? I don't know. That's my favorite. I don't know. That's my favorite. I don't know. And you're celebrating your birthday coming up in April. You don't know how old you are, like 65.

Starting point is 02:02:52 What are we this year? I don't remember. Yeah, something, 73 I think. I don't think so. Way too old. Too old to be a podcaster. Yet they call me the boomer. I don't know.

Starting point is 02:03:04 I don't know. It's horrific. Anyway, the reason why you do want one of those modern podcast apps like Podverse is because you can just keep it in your pocket and then when we go live, the bat signal fires and you get a notification. Boom, you tap in, you're listening live. So you'll never miss it. And Mimi should try that because then she won't miss it. She can listen to it. She's too much work. It's not too much work. Podcastsapps.com. The entire podcast, one of the genius things we did, considering all the hate we've gotten throughout the years. That may just COVID itself. Remember in the beginning with COVID, you guys are horrible.

Starting point is 02:03:47 I can't believe that you think this is bull crap. This is the worst disaster ever. We're all going to die. I can't believe it. And then remember when the Ukraine war kicked off? People left the show. They raged quick. Yeah, we lost a lot of listeners because we weren't in support of this stupid war.

Starting point is 02:04:05 Oh man. I mean, there were even Ukraine flags all over Hill Country at the time. So, you know, yes, but we weren't in lockstep and, and, you know. And we never will be because that's our nature. No, and we, and we, if we had had advertising, we definitely would have lost advertising. Oh, we'd be out of business. We'd be podcasting for free. That's for sure. So instead we decided, no, you know what, why don't we just, the people who come at this moment in time for such a time as this.

Starting point is 02:04:33 And some people come and some people go. I'm reminded of, I was looking when I was doing the research on this Khalil guy, I was reminded of our, we had a guy who was a genuine economic hitman who listened to the show and he was great because he would tell us, or at least give me, he would give you, he never wanted to talk to me. He would give me some insight on to what was, especially Africa, what was going on. He went to Johns Hopkins, he was working there, out of some office and then all of a sudden he started dating a Russian girl who turned out to be working for that State Department, that little creepy State Department intelligence service. And she just said, stop listening to

Starting point is 02:05:15 those guys. And that's what he did. And the reason I was looking at, because I looked at the State Department, this agency is called the Bureau of Intelligence and Research, which is a INR is referred to as a small group. It's INR. Is that what it's called? INR? Yeah. INR. It's a, it's between 300 and 500 people. They don't know for sure because it's the most secretive of all our Intel agencies. And I think that the reason Rubio is acting so cocky is because they got,

Starting point is 02:05:48 they put this guy in who's originally a Trump guy. He's got a bloom or Blom or BLO and me, this guy runs it. He's an undersecretary of state, uh, temporarily, but, but this, this intelligence agency, I think it's got so much good stuff that it opened Rubio's eyes and he's just basically pissed all the time because of what's going on

Starting point is 02:06:16 that he now knows what's going on but he can't really say, which is why I think he does have that tell of talking too fast, which has got to be corrected. When he's got information, I think that's why he was going so nutty about this Khalil character. They've obviously known about the guy, not either, you know, this is an extraction as I suggested, or it could be some guy's gone rogue and they had to get him out of there, but he let him get his degree, his master's from SIPA, so that wasn't that bad. But yes, there's a bunch of this, just the whole government is too spooky. And then October 7th, when we, when we, when we defended Israel,

Starting point is 02:07:02 we didn't blame the Jews. Now, oh, everyone. No, but we did talk about the possibilities. Of what? Of that it was a setup. Oh, no. They were lured in to make this attack. Oh, I still believe it was a setup. That's totally discussed.

Starting point is 02:07:18 Yeah. I mean, even the guy in charge says, oh, we screwed up. Yeah. All right. But that's not the point, you see. You have to hate the Jews because the Jews have everything on Epstein and Epstein controls all of Congress and the Senate and Trump. You know, there were people on X the other day asking Grok, does Adam have Jewish ancestry?

Starting point is 02:07:43 Really? Yes. This is how unhinged and, well, and luckily, grockantly came back said, now it doesn't seem like it. Well, his dad was a high ranking CIA official. Maybe my uncle, but no. I mean, it's the people are nuts, John.

Starting point is 02:07:59 They're nuts. They're nuts. They are nuts. They're nuts. And they're stupid. Yeah, there's a lot of that. They're suckers. There's a lot.

Starting point is 02:08:08 Well, I also think there's a lot of bots on X still. There's a lot of bots. And I think that Blockman Brink, that must have been some kind of op. I would think, yeah, it sounds like it. I think we get tested once in a while by some of these guys to see how we react to it. Yeah, good luck guys. You got to get up a lot earlier to stir up some problem with these boomers. Yeah, we're old boomers.

Starting point is 02:08:35 We're old boomers. I'm the old boomer. You're a young boomer. I can't give into it. It's hard for me to admit. 64. I don't think you need to admit it. You could be that whatever that one crazy moniker was.

Starting point is 02:08:48 Generation Jones, Generation Jones. Jones, no brother. Generation Alex Jones. I mean, what kind of generation is that? So we decided to run it on a system we call value for value. And that means very simply, if you get anything out of the show, send it back to us. Send the value back time, talent, treasure. Uh, people have done a lot of things for us throughout the years.

Starting point is 02:09:13 Back in the day, one of our producers, I forget who it was. I don't know if he's still around. He, Jerry rigged the SEO for no agenda. And we still have the first two pages. I think if you just search for no agenda, aren't we still have the first two pages, I think. If you just search for No Agenda, aren't we still... Yeah, we're still dominating the search. Yeah, No Agenda Show, No Agenda Podcasts, oh, on YouTube, we're on YouTube, oh really.

Starting point is 02:09:37 Yeah, No Agenda News Network, and there's still EULA for you. I mean, yeah. So that kind of stuff has been very, very helpful. Now, we also appreciate the work that our artists do. I think this also does help to some degree with search engine optimization. They must confuse the AI when they see when they're scanning through our system like, oh, I'm ingesting something I made. I'm going to puke. And that's probably what Gun Monkey did, who brought us the artwork for episode 1746. We titled that Bedtime Hygiene, which is what TikTok now delivers to your kids.

Starting point is 02:10:15 And he created a Canadian cow. Yeah, it was cute. Well, cute is the right word. That's exactly what it was. It was just cute. And Gun Monkey has only been around for a month. Yeah, but he submits quite a few pieces. He's got AI chops. He does have some AI chops.

Starting point is 02:10:38 And this is no Art Generator. This was an AI piece. There's no question about it. All his pieces are AI. Let's see. Now, the one you wanted, of course, was Darren AI piece. There's no question about it. All his pieces are AI. Let's see. Now the one you wanted, of course, was Darren O'Neill's redheaded cheesecake, holding up the sign, JCD was right. Yes, that would be the best one to use.

Starting point is 02:10:58 And then you said, let's just use Snow White. I'm like, you want a lawsuit from Disney? I forgot about that guy. That didn't make any sense. Duh. I'm like, you want a lawsuit from Disney? I forgot about that. That didn't make any sense. What else? There's a big F-U-C-K? I was also the one who pushed the cow. You did push the cow.

Starting point is 02:11:16 Because you were kind of pushing back against the cow. You didn't like it at first. Well, there wasn't much else. There wasn't anything else compared to the cow. You pushed the cow. You were right right you were correct to push the cow and I can tell you looking right now there's plenty of opportunity to still win the coveted slot of artwork for the show just from what I'm seeing being submitted I guess we haven't come up with anything good yet it's always our own fault yes the

Starting point is 02:11:43 content determines the art. It does. It does. Noah Art Generator.com. Thank you very much. Gun, what was his name? Gun, Gun Monkey. Yes.

Starting point is 02:11:55 Good job Gun Monkey. Of course, many of these pieces of art show up in our chapters, which are available in many podcast apps, even Pocket Cast, which is a very big app. They now also have chapters, the 2.0 chapters, they have a web-based player now, so you can get your art scene far and wide. Now, as a part of our time talent, we have the treasure in Value for Value, and that means we are going to thank people who supported the show financially, critically important. And we always thank everybody $50 and

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Starting point is 02:13:09 time if you're an executive producer of a movie let's say there's millions of dollars millions yeah you know you millions you do get the bang the actress but yeah I mean hey what do you want for 200 bucks yeah that's true and we kick it off we kick it off with sir Mike who's in Las Vegas, Nevada, 51538. Let's see, he says, oh, that is the number he supported us with. ITM amigos, with this donation of 51538, I've achieved the titles of both Commodore and Barron. Last I saw the peerage map, MIA as of today.

Starting point is 02:13:42 Oh really? Hmm. Clark County, Nevada was not taken, so I'd like to claim that since I do not technically live in the city of Las Vegas. I never received an official title, so I'd like to be known as Sir Mike Slayer of Taxes as a financial advisor who works to save his clients from the taxman. I can be found at bestfinancialadvisorintheuniverse.com. financial advisor in the universe.com. Well, now there's one you can remember. Best financial advisor in the universe.com.

Starting point is 02:14:07 I would love some jobs karma for my two human resources. How about the original Nancy Pelosi jingle for them? Well, isn't that the one we play? Yeah, that's the regular. Yeah, that's the normal one. Yes. And throw in a random sharpen for me. You can never go wrong with little AI.

Starting point is 02:14:23 Oh, little Al. I thought AI. Can never go wrong with little AI, oh little Al, I thought AI, can never go wrong with little Al to brighten my day. Well now there is a fact, let me see, do I have, yes I got some little Al. Thanks for creating a bit of sanity in this crazy world and he will be a Commodore as well, Sir Commodore Barron Mike of Clark County, Nevada, Slayer of Taxes. Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs. Let's vote for jobs. You've got karma. R-E-S-P-I-C-T. Aaron comes up from Colorado Springs, Colorado, at 515.38, same amount.

Starting point is 02:15:07 The last six months have been a complete excrement show for us. I'm trying not to curse or lent. Well I rely on Jesus Christ for most of the support we need. I'm reaching out for Heathen Jobs Karma. We got a whole helping for you. A helping of Heathen Jobs Karma for you there. Yes, we do. For my smoking hot wife, myself and the No Agenda community.

Starting point is 02:15:35 As this is my first donation, hopefully this de-douches me. You've been de-douched. And is still in time for a Commodore ship. Yes, you got it. I would like to give anyone, there's still time people, I would like to give value for the sanity you provide over the last several years. Please give me the following jingles. You're going to need a bitcoin. They're eating the cats. Little girl, we're all going to die. The F-35 scream, followed by jobs karma for all. Oh my goodness, that's a lot. Please call out Brennan and Johanna as douchebags.

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Starting point is 02:17:41 Donald loves Nazis. Donald loves Nazis. CNN say that he's KKK, that he shouts a sick hail with it, wow. Hey! Ray Salmon in Madison, New Jersey, 333, he wrote a note in, because it came in as a check. ITM John and Adam encloses my contribution of 33333 which gets me to knighthood status. He's got the accounting.

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Starting point is 02:18:45 Trump version and follow for two good friends that need it thanks again for all your work. Ray in Madison New Jersey. YAY! JOBS! JOBS! JOBS! You've got karma. And that brings us to Sir Proteus in Newark, Delaware. This is a donation on behalf of my wonderful wife, Avis, for her birthday on the 16th. So just that's an interesting name. Avis. Yeah. Spelled A-V-I-C-E, Avis. With this donation she reaches Damehood and she'll become Dame Avis, hugger of hounds.

Starting point is 02:19:31 Avis, you are the best mother, friend, and wife. You are aging like a fine wine, so each year with you is better than the last. That's a good thing to tell you. Bro, here's a pro tip. Pro tip. Teaching like a fine wine is not something you say. We know you mean well. We know you mean well. Jingles, biscuit on my birthday and karma, Sir Proteus.

Starting point is 02:19:55 They always give me a biscuit on my birthday. You've got Karma. Sir John in Heber Springs, Arkansas, 31725. Sir John, Knight of St. Patrick shouts, Happy St. Pat's! Oh yes, Happy St. Patrick's Day. St. Patrick's Day is tomorrow, I think. Is it today or tomorrow? I think it's tomorrow, if it's today, you probably made a donation.

Starting point is 02:20:20 Oh, I got drunk on the wrong day. No, no. Also a shout out to sir the slurredy Bart fast I'll meet you at the restaurant at the end of the universe code. There's code Douglas Adams material 3 14 15 from sir face tension and he requests a random Sharpton I'm donating on behalf of my late mother and tension and he requests a random Sharpton. I'm donating on behalf of my late mother Anne Steadman, born on March 14th. We wish her a happy belated. I'll have the executive producer credit as she hated the show. Rest in peace Anne.

Starting point is 02:20:57 After a few years, I'll award her a Dame Hood out of spite. A spite hood if you will. Play me out with some ooh a spite hood. This is a good one. People should be doing that all the time. A spite hood. Play me out with some sharpness. Oh a spite hood. A spite hood. This is a good one. People should be doing that all the time. A spite hood. Play me out with some sharpness please. R-E-S-P-I-C-T.

Starting point is 02:21:14 Beautiful. A spite hood. And here comes Soscovi, our buddy in Charlotte, North Carolina, 31415. The content in the donation segments of late has been outstanding. Amen. Thank you. Yes. This donation brings me to Archduke, the usual round table farewell dupe plus a round of papst blue ribbon for the trolls in the troll room. Thank you for your courage Sir Scovey, the Archduke of the Piedmont. Very nice.

Starting point is 02:21:47 31350 from Anonymous in Omaha, Nebraska. It could be Warren Buffett for all we know. Adam and John, in honor of the new The Ball is in Your Half of the Court Day, which is now forever, March 13th, 313th, yes 313th, the ball is in your half of the court day, I send to you 313 and one extra half a dollar to drive home the point that this is now your half of the court. John is right. What an absolute BS nonsensical saying. Add this to the list of other idioms that are trash but still repeated.

Starting point is 02:22:26 And he has a list. The proof is in the pudding. Bite the bullet. Raining cats and dogs. Put a sock in it and you can have your cake and eat it too. I'll take raining cats and dogs for 300, Alex. If you could write 100 pages on how wrong these are, I could write 100 pages on how wrong these all are,

Starting point is 02:22:52 but I won't. I know you guys are busy. I struggle with brevity. Jingles, 9999 and WTC7 and a Job's Karma, Anonymous in Nebraska. 9999, 9999, 9999, 9999, 9999, 9999, 9999, 9999, 9999, 9999, Onward with Dr. Another regular, Dr. Sharkey. Sir Dr. Sharkey in Jackson, Tennessee. 22905.

Starting point is 02:23:31 He says, John and Adam with this donation have officially passed into dukedom. Wow. Hmm? If approved by this by the no agenda peerage committee, I'd like to be known as Duke Sir Dr. Sharkey Lord of Mars. Oh that's you got a game fair game. I want to claim it before Elon gets there. ITM karma for all. Yes karma for all you got it. You've got karma.

Starting point is 02:24:05 And that brings us to Bensonville, Illinois. It's Eli the coffee guy. He's back to 0316, associate executive producership for him. And then he says, shout out to the millennial media offensive podcast. I initially found them on the no agenda stream and have been listening ever since. They're on point with their news analysis, especially breakdowns of international events. I would suggest all no agenda producers give them a listen. I would also suggest that all producers visit gigawattcofferoasters.com and grab some amazing

Starting point is 02:24:33 fresh roasted coffee today. Remember to use code ITM20 at checkout for 20% off your order and stay caffeinated says Eli the Coffee Guy. Which brings us to our last donor, Linda Lu Patkin in Lakewood, Colorado, comes with $200 even and says, jobs karma. And for a competitive edge with a resume that gets results, go to ImageMakersInc.com for all your

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Starting point is 02:26:42 Shut up, slave! Shut up, slave! Shut up, slave! I want to run this clip. This is a... You played Scott earlier with another woman. The clips I had earlier were Scott. Oh, Scott from MPR. Those are both from the show called Up First.

Starting point is 02:27:09 And Up First is described the following way. It's three stories in 15 minutes. Wow, the things people have time for. So they do three stories in 15 minutes. I want to play the credit roll. Okay. And you know, you wonder about Doge and government waste. They do three stories in 15 minutes. I want to play the credit role. And you want, you know, you wonder about doge and government waste and fraud and abuse. I want to play the credit role for this show up first,

Starting point is 02:27:34 which is three stories in 15 minutes. This is the credit role. And that's up first for Saturday, March 15th, 2025. I'm Ayesha Rosco. And I'm Scott Simon. Martin Patience produced today's episode with help from Ryan Bank and Phil Harrell. Our editors are Dee Parvez, Shannon Rhodes, Ed McNulty, Kelsey Snell, and Arizu Resvani.

Starting point is 02:27:58 Andrew Craig is our director with support from technical director, Andy Huther. And the engineers who help us out, David Greenberg, Zach Coleman, and Arthur Palade-Lorente. Evie Stone is our senior supervising editor, and Sarah Lucy Oliver is our executive producer. Jim Kane is our deputy managing editor. I counted, and they actually have more producers

Starting point is 02:28:22 than we had for this show. I counted a couple of times to get it right. 16 people were mentioned. Yes. Not including those two for a total of 18 people to put together a 15 minute show of three stories. Yes. And we do three to three and a half hours with 12 executive and associate executive producers who did nothing for the content except for the funny content in their notes. Yes, they wrote a note saying thank you. Yeah, they should doze that place. Oh, is that a verb?

Starting point is 02:29:01 Is that a verb yet? They should doze that place. It should be. Doze it. Doze it. So speaking of boomers, I think I forwarded this to you. Several of our boomer producers reached out and said, Hey, an old joke from John made it into the AARP magazine. Oh yeah. Yeah, I did get that.

Starting point is 02:29:22 Let me see. Where is it here? Hold on a second. Yes, I used to do for PC... April Fool's, yes. For both Mac user and PC computing, and I started doing this at Infoworld early, but I started doing it every year I would do an April Fool's gag, and about three or four of them were classics and got into various halls of fame. Yes.

Starting point is 02:29:48 And this was one of them. And it was, um, and here it is no drinking on the web as the internet was just gaining popularity, the April 1994 issue. Where were you in 1994 of PC computer, a computing, ran a column by John C. Dvorak about a non-existent Senate bill designed to prohibit anyone from using a public computer network while the computer user is intoxicated. Dvorak said some clueless senators thought the so-called information superhighway was an actual road.

Starting point is 02:30:22 Did that work in 1994? It worked to such an extreme that that Senator Pat Leahy got so much grief that I got feedback from his office. No. Yeah. Wow. Because I said he was co-sponsored the bill or some damn thing. Where they called you up and said, don't do that please, computer man. Well the way it was framed, you have to read the whole column, the way it was, I should try to find it and then put it on one of my columns. It's in the closet. On a sub stack.

Starting point is 02:31:00 But it was framed in such a way that it made him look like an idiot. Is he still with us? So they didn't take a lot. It was not, not well received by the government. Is Leahy still around? Is he still with us? Yeah, I don't know. He was last, the last term.

Starting point is 02:31:15 I don't know if he's still there. I mean, his voice, he lost his voice. So, um, there was a, a little, a snafu little snafu in the appointment of, in one of President Trump's appointees. Weldon, Weldon, Weldon. Dr. Weldon was supposed to become the director of the CDC. And his nomination was pulled. So because he, apparently he didn't have the votes. This is Mary Holland from the Children's Defense, Health Defense thing. That's the thing that Kennedy has nothing more to do with. And she explains what happened. He was too outspoken on vaccines is what it really looks like to me,

Starting point is 02:32:06 which is, you know, vaccines are the magic sauce that keeps the chronic disease epidemic going. And I think David Weldon understood that perfectly. And my guess is there was some kind of an alliance between pharma and Senator Cassidy and some of his compatriots in the Senate to kill the nomination. No real explanation at all why the Weldon nomination was pulled, but Senator Cassidy

Starting point is 02:32:30 at the very beginning sort of talked about distrust in health agencies and the context of measles, which would seem to be a lot of what was going on. It was pretty clear that they didn't have the votes for Weldon on the health committee. And I can tell you that I and many people who were there and on text threads that were on are just tremendously disappointed. Weldon was perfectly credentialed having been a member of Congress and a physician

Starting point is 02:33:00 and a Republican to take that job. And he was outspoken about vaccines. He understands vaccines candidly better than any of the other key appointments that Bobby was proposing. According to, is it Senator Ron Johnson? He's a Senator, isn't he? Yeah.

Starting point is 02:33:16 Yeah. He thinks it had something to do with big pharma. Oh no, you don't say. But again, the fact that they were able to defeat the Weldon nomination, it's really tragedy because I spoke with the doctor. He's got a very open mind.

Starting point is 02:33:29 He's certainly not anti-vaccine. He vaccinate his patients. Okay. He just has some questions like, you know, maybe just maybe 85 doses on the childhood schedule, you know, vaccines given in what three, three to six different vaccines at the same time to very young infants whose immune systems are just developing. What's wrong with that? That might be a problem, but we can't even ask the question.

Starting point is 02:33:51 So again, I give Donald Trump and Bobby Kennedy all the credit for taking really a giant leap forward in terms of addressing this problem, but also demonstrating how we're going to heal and unify this very divided nation. It seems to me like Dr. Weldon doesn't even know exactly what happened when the White House pulled his nomination. problem, but also demonstrating how we're going to heal and unify this very divided nation. It seems to me like Dr. Weldon doesn't even know exactly what happened when the White House pulled his nomination. He said sort of that Big Pharma may have had something to do with it. He said the concern of many people is that Big Pharma quote was behind this, which is

Starting point is 02:34:17 probably true in a statement today. Do you know if pressure from Big Pharma had anything to do with it? No, but I think you can pretty well assume that. Again, they couldn't get, they couldn't bring down Bobby Kennedy because what he was doing is so politically popular, completely nonpartisan fashion. So Republican senators couldn't vote against him. You know, even those that might've wanted to. But you know, Pharma doesn't go quiet in the night.

Starting point is 02:34:42 So they got their scalp. They got their scalp. It could have been a quid pro quo, it could have been something else, it could have been farming out involved, we don't know. They're never gonna find it. Got an update. They get another guy.

Starting point is 02:34:54 I got an update from one of our producers, we had the best producers in the universe, of course. Much better than those, our commercial producer, Scott, regarding your COVID insurance clip. And if I recall, Oh yeah, I'd be interested. If I recall, the life insurance company

Starting point is 02:35:12 did not want to pay out because the person had taken this vaccine voluntarily and therefore it was considered suicide and we don't pay out on suicide. Am I, am I, More or less. More or less, right. Both enough. Sir Nasty Nate here, I love our guys.

Starting point is 02:35:29 I'm a life and Sir Nasty Nate, he's a life and health insurance agent. The company he works for is Bankers Life, Colonial Pen Life Insurance. And he says the company has to pay out after two years of having the insurance for suicide. So if you commit suicide, don't do it during the first two years of your policy, your beneficiary won't get the benefit. Well, that's interesting. I've never heard this.

Starting point is 02:35:55 Yeah, I got more people saying that bull crap, but this is actually well, no, it wouldn't be both in the case of the COVID shot. These people were dying within two years anyway. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. So, uh... And it was claimed to be suicide. And that's interesting because I know someone who lives in town whose husband committed suicide and she got an insurance payout.

Starting point is 02:36:17 And I was like, that's interesting. But it must have been after the two-year period. Yeah, it sounds like it. And then bombshell, bombshell, bombshell intelligence, bombshell everybody. It was just the hugest bombshell, bombshell. Bombshell that COVID was lab made. This is a Trump administration was given

Starting point is 02:36:40 bombshell intelligence from an ally. Well, who was the ally? The ally was Germany. That's right. Germany gave us this bombshell information. Keep up dudes. Um, so well on health. Yes.

Starting point is 02:36:57 I got a couple of clips about seed oil. It's no good. I hear. Well, you know, this is the thing. It's, it's questionable whether it's good or not to me because I've been, in fact, I was reading about pumpkin seed oil, which is good for prostate health, but it's a seed oil. And indeed the real controversy is over the lineolic acids that are in seed oil. And you read, I'm telling you, you can do a research on this yourself.

Starting point is 02:37:24 You can read about, oh, good for the heart. Oh, bad for the heart. Good for the heart, bad for the heart. Good for the heart. I mean, this is one of these things that is like, is there agreement on any of this stuff, but you, with your anti-seed oil, there's agreement. Yeah, it's bad for you. But if there's, if you're not, then it's, it's great.

Starting point is 02:37:43 Cause there's low poly, it's a polyunsaturated blah, blah, blah. The whole thing is ridiculous. But there's a report on it I picked up and I thought it was at least educational. Steak and Shake says it has recently switched from frying with seed oil to beef tallow. It credits U.S. Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. for the change. He says using so-called traditional ingredients will make America healthier. But as Sarah Bowden reports, traditional doesn't always mean nutritious. Wait a minute.

Starting point is 02:38:14 So RFK Jr. comes out and says, these seed oils will kill you. And then all of a sudden there's a report about seed oil that it won't kill you? Well, that's interesting. For decades, Americans have been warned against fast food. So it was striking to see the country's top public health officials sit down to a burger and fries on Fox News. Kennedy was joined by host Sean Hannity, who ordered a Coke. RFK wants more restaurants to follow Steak and Shake's lead and stop using seed oils, which he claims are fueling the obesity epidemic.

Starting point is 02:38:48 We are poisoning ourselves and it's coming from principally these ultra-processed foods. But researchers say seed oils aren't the real problem. It's French fries. For God's sake, it's French fries. Oh, it's not the seed oils. It's the French fries that are killing you. So now hearing that, I said, this is great. I mean, this guy has French fries. Just stop eating French fries or it'll all be fine. Christopher Gardner is a nutrition scientist

Starting point is 02:39:18 at Stanford University. People should eat fewer French fries, whatever they're deep fried in. Which is why Gardner is concerned that Kennedy went to a fast food restaurant on national television. The secretary has a big platform and fast food is high in saturated fat, which leads to more clogged arteries and heart attacks. And if people are eating more hamburgers and more French fries, even though they're now in tallow instead of C2M, more people die we're all gonna die dr darjush mozafarian is a cardiologist at chowsea university he agrees with kennedy that processed foods are driving up rates of heart

Starting point is 02:39:56 disease diabetes and other chronic illnesses but mozafarian says the real villains are too many refined grains starcheses, sugars. An overload of salt and other preservatives, hundreds of chemical additives, contaminants from packaging. And while seed oils are found in processed foods, he says it's guilt by association. Seed oils are actually the bright spot. Seed oils are healthy fats, healthy monounsaturated, polyunsaturated fats that are really good for our bodies. Melissa Farian is glad Kennedy's concerned about ultra-processed foods.

Starting point is 02:40:30 That's why he'd like the Secretary to focus on helping low-income Americans afford fresh groceries that are rich in fiber and nutrients. NPR reached out to Kennedy's team for comment, but did not hear back. We also reached out to Steak and Shake. It turns out it's food manufacturers still use seed oil to prepare the food before it's frozen and shipped to stores. Oh, no. There goes my shake and bake snack or whatever that place is called.

Starting point is 02:40:58 This report is just the worst. You know, Bobby came out, I call him Bobby now. Bobby. Bobby. He came out and he said, you know, grass, we're changing grass, which is the acronym generally regarded as safe, which initially was only for baking soda, I think, and salt maybe. And now it's just been used as everything.

Starting point is 02:41:20 Oh, it's all generally regarded as safe. And he's going to change that. This is going to change the face of... Well, you know, I talked about this on the show years ago about the Merck index, which everyone should have a copy of. Yeah, mine is very outdated. I have one, but I think it's... They're all outdated. I don't think they brought this thing out for years. It doesn't matter because the information is generally not outdated, but grass is used effusively within the Merck index.

Starting point is 02:41:46 Everything you look it up, grass, grass, grass, you see it's G-R-A-S, all caps, is commonly used to describe various chemicals and poisons and other things. Mainstream media is generally regarded as safe, but we're all going to die. Yeah, it's crazy. I need to do a little bit on bird flu because I'm gonna end it up with McCullough, the latest from McCullough, which is

Starting point is 02:42:10 interesting. But first we need to tug at the heartstrings because it's killing a kitten. A warning is going out about raw pet food now that new cases of bird flu are being reported in two New York City cats and one of the pets, a little kitten, died from the infection. The virus has already spread like wildfire in chickens. The city is investigating the outbreak and warning pet owners to avoid using raw foods and milk. A vet says the sick kitten was fed savage cat food. The kitten had to be euthanized. So first they said the cat died but then basically they killed the kitten. That's two different things.

Starting point is 02:42:45 It's clearly shown that... Hold on a second. That is two different things. They fed the cats some... This is bull. Yeah, they fed the cats some raw cat food and then they got sick. Which is what you do if you can, if you can get raw food. I mean, Jay used to work at a raw pet food company in Oakland. Very cool operation. And there is all the hoity-toities and Piedmont and other areas

Starting point is 02:43:13 around the Bay Area would use this kind of cat food because the cats love it. Yeah. So then the kitten got sick and then they euthanized it. They chopped its head off. The kitten had to be euthanized. And her head is gone. It's clearly shown that a raw chicken can, if it's infected with avian flu, which unfortunately it is, some of it is, can make cats very sick with avian flu. And here comes the brand.

Starting point is 02:43:42 Savage Cat brand food issued a statement saying they are incredibly saddened to hear that that kitten has passed. They are working with the FDA and gathering information. Died euthanized has passed. Okay. But CBS is not letting up on the bird flu in cows. It's killing the cows. John LaPuke the doctor comes in to help. Texas and New Mexico today reported 38 more measles cases Oh, no brings the nationwide total this year to more than 300 which is already more than the number for all of last year I don't know why I don't know why they have to start it off with measles I'm sure that's some kind of neuro linguistic programming noticing this too

Starting point is 02:44:21 I've pointed out some other clips who're usually an NTD does a lot where they bring in one topic to get you kind of jacked up about something then they Then they slide into the what they really want to talk about it. I find it It's got to be an LP of it's exactly what's happening here CDC also reports that in the past year there have been 70 cases of bird flu bird and one death On the farm it has been devastating not only for poultry but cows. Here's Dr. John LaPuke. Hello, doctor. Tyler Ribeiro, a fourth generation dairy farmer, woke up to a world turned upside down. I went to bed at 11 o'clock at night and by the morning we were in the middle of it.

Starting point is 02:45:03 In just two weeks last September, bird flu ripped through the fourth generation farmers herd of 1,500 cows. Dozens died. They were sick. Their ears were down. They weren't hungry. And I was up against a force that I really

Starting point is 02:45:17 didn't know how to fight. By the way, I'm not so sure the cows died from the bird flu. They might have been sick. Most of the cows, I've talked to the ranchers. Yeah, they the bird flu. They might have been sick. Most of the cows, I've talked to the ranchers. Yeah, they get bird flu. They get sick. They get better.

Starting point is 02:45:30 I wonder if they were euthanized. California has more than 1100 dairy farms. Two thirds experienced an outbreak caused by a deadly virus that for the first time spread from poultry and wild birds to cows then from cow to cow. A leading suspect is contaminated milking machines. So a deadly virus for the first time. We've heard about the sick cows from bird flu for months. Okay, so I don't know. It's it's it's all just what's the milking machine doing?

Starting point is 02:46:01 Well, let's find out. I love these animals. Dr. Michael Payne is a veterinarian at the University of California, Davis. The spillover of avian influenza, bird flu, into cattle has never occurred before. It's a new disease. While human infections are rare, 38 people in California, nearly all of them work with cattle, have been diagnosed with mild bird flu. But now a different strain that has caused more severe illness is circulating widely

Starting point is 02:46:30 in North American wild birds and spilling over into poultry. Some scientists have said to me they are very concerned that we're getting closer and closer to that virus mutating to a point where it could spread more easily from human to human. Understandably, our public health colleagues are concerned additional mutations will occur in this version of the virus or other versions of the virus. It will allow it to be easily transmitted from one person to another. So I have bad news. Dr. McCullough was hanging out with Dale Bigtree or as Tina calls him, Bigdelltree.

Starting point is 02:47:01 I don't know why she does it. And yeah, it turns out that this is actually happening and surprise, it was created in a lab. Our research at McCullough foundation and Nicole, sure they lead, this strain of bird flu is different. This looks like it has actually come from serial passage research done at the USDA poultry research laboratory in Athens, Georgia. Serial passage is when there's a blend of viral strains that's intentionally put, in

Starting point is 02:47:33 this case in a mallard duck, they were trying to see which strain would pass to the next mallard duck. And the mallard ducks are studied because their gullet is where the virus attaches, but it doesn't go into the lungs. And indeed, they found clade 23446 that looked like it transmitted. And sure enough, that's where the first cases were around Athens, Georgia. Now, the unique aspect to this clade is that it was very mild in the Mallard Ducks, they could spread it all over another migratory waterfall. It quickly spread into mammals.

Starting point is 02:48:10 We're now up to about 40 different species of mammals. The USDA and other public health officials have done over the last several decades is what's called biosecurity. So biosecurity would be this idea that well, if one chicken has bird flu, if we sterilize the whole farm, they won't get it again. Again, these ghouls, these ghouls experimenting with nature, with God's creation, and it turns out that this is peer-reviewed and it's real. You're essentially saying that this is a lab-grown clade, that this was something made in a lab, that it's, I mean, are we talking about a lab leak again when we're talking about bird

Starting point is 02:48:57 flu right now? We're so sure of it. We've published this in a peer-reviewed paper titled The Proximal Origins of Clade 2, 3, 4, 4, 6 Avian Influenza. It was published in the peer-reviewed journal Poultry and Wildlife Sciences and it hasn't been disputed by any of the public health officials. We cite the USDA research, research done by Dr. Karakawa at University of Wisconsin School of Veterinary Medicine and Dr. Ron Fouchet at Erasmus.

Starting point is 02:49:26 So yeah, it looks like mankind brought this on, Dal. Now the twist that we've seen is the major strain of this clade, the clade is the original source. This strain that was so mild that was just causing pink eye in humans in mild cases in animals was B3.13. Now we've seen the emergence of D1.1 and it's a totally different ball game. There's a teenager in British Columbia who gets D1.1.

Starting point is 02:49:56 She gets severe human bird flu, ends up on the ventilator, needs ECMO for life support. Thankfully she survives. A man down in Louisiana gets it. He dies. He had some birds in his backyard. Now a toddler in Cambodia has died. It is a different form of what we call genetic reassortment. Del, what I've concluded is this culling has caused this outbreak to last so long because of virgin flock after virgin flock. Now the virus has had enough opportunity

Starting point is 02:50:27 to reassort and mutate and I think it's taken a turn for the worse. It's almost April. Time to flatten the curve. Yeah. Timing is perfect. It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable. Well, with the initial bird flu in some years back, I noticed that there was a, the prophylactic was discussed and it turns out to be Relenza, which is the Tamiflu competitor. Oh really? Relenza is the Tamiflu. It's not cheap by the way. It's a hundred bucks a prescription I have a few I always keep backed up now But you take it when you when you feel the onset or you take it? Yeah

Starting point is 02:51:17 It's just the same as Tamiflu only it's had only you breathe it in. It's a powder And it takes a little getting used to how to use it. You snorted it with a straw? No, you breathe it in. It's a powder. Oh, and it takes a little getting used to how to use it with a straw. No, you breathe it through your mouth. It's a funny device you have and you put it's got a little thing. You pop the capsule and it releases the powder and you breathe the powder in through into the lungs. Um, and that's how it works. It's very inconvenient to use and it's not very popular, but it's very effective.

Starting point is 02:51:51 I think it's slightly more effective than Tamiflu because Tamiflu, when you take it, it's a whole body phenomenon, whereas the relenza goes right to the lungs, which is where the flu or any of these influenza type diseases, that's where they reproduce. It just goes right after them. It's a very good product.

Starting point is 02:52:13 So we should all get some relenza. That's what you're saying. I'm not a doctor. Well, my ivermectin, is that not gonna help me? Probably not. Oh. It'll help me get rid of worms. Hey, final clip for me is yet more disappointment.

Starting point is 02:52:31 Pam Bondi, Merle Haggard in a wig, was on with the Money Honey, Maria Bartiromo. And of course the question came up about all the files we were going to get. All the information was all Coming I heard this is good take on something else Which a lot of people were emailing me about and talking to me about when they heard that you were coming on the show There the MAGA group is mad that we don't know more about the Epstein files The MAGA group is mad that they don't know more about the January 6th investigation Are you gonna give us any more information on these two issues? Sure.

Starting point is 02:53:07 And first, to Epstein, I'm mad that I didn't have more information on Epstein. I was given 200 pages of documents. I've asked Director Patel. He came in after that, of course. I had asked for those documents prior to Cash coming in. Cash is going to get me all the information I've asked him to find out why I didn't receive all those documents and he didn't receive all those documents. We've now found out of course that they were in New York. We've received truckload of documents

Starting point is 02:53:36 of evidence. And cash is going to give me a deadline on when he can go through that to protect of course the victims of sex trafficking who are wrapped into this. And he's going to give me a deadline on when he can get this, and we will get out as much as we can, as fast as we can, to the American people, because they deserve to know. Same with January 6. We're all working on JFK right now. We will be working on Martin Luther King. All of these things that the president promised, we will be working on Martin Luther King. All of these things that the president promised

Starting point is 02:54:05 we will be doing. They can try to hide documents from us, but they can't. Might take a little longer, we will find them and we will release them to the American people because it's transparency. Weak, very weak. I have to conclude the following. With both the JFK and the Epstein stuff,

Starting point is 02:54:26 it is so terrible what's in there that it would bring down the government and it would collapse the, it would collapse the United States. What could be so terrible after 60 years that it would collapse the United States? I don't know, but it's gotta be something, it's gotta be one of them to use the profanity. It has to be an oh shit kind of thing. When you look at the data, you go oh shit. You can't say, you can't bring this out. Well, then it may be they're right. Maybe it is Israel responsible for everything.

Starting point is 02:55:00 That could bring it down. It could be or it could be anything. It could be Great Britain. It could be France. Now who would care? That wouldn't bring down the government. It would be like, you stupid limies, you frogs. I agree. It could be Russia. I mean, it could be, I don't know. I have no idea. I have no... It's just beyond my comprehension what it might be. You can't deconstruct it because there's not enough information. Um, it could be that the entire U S government has been run by the mafia for the last 40 years. We don't know that that could be, that could be, could be a problem.

Starting point is 02:55:35 Well, this is not helping the situation. Pam. And then of course you had the guy who was the guy was the head of the FBI in New York who quit is there something very suspicious about these Marines? He's another, I think, ex-Lieutenant Colonel or Colonel in the Marine Corps, and then became this head of the FBI in New York office. And I'm reminded of John Kelly, the Marine who was running the White House, and set poor Trump up with John Bolton and got rid of

Starting point is 02:56:06 Steve Bannon. What is with the Marines? What are the Marines doing at this moment? I mean, why are they working against the president of the United States? You know, the only thing that could really, really bring down the entire government is if it turns out that they're all pedophiles. Like the whole thing has been run by nut jobs. That could be. That could really, cause then it would be like, everyone would be suspect and everyone would go,

Starting point is 02:56:37 no one would wanna work there. I don't know, whatever the case is, I don't see this stuff coming out because they're freaked. Somebody is freaked out because the Kennedy thing is way overdue. It's not even close. So what's the connection between Kennedy and Epstein? There has to be a connection because they won't release either of those two. They'll probably bring out the J6 invest.

Starting point is 02:57:00 So who cares? You know, this other stuff that we don't care about will be released and they'll just sit on it. They're just going to sit on it. You know what I think? Or if they bring it out, it's going to be so massaged that it'll be a phony. It'll be a fake. I think it's adrenochrome.

Starting point is 02:57:16 Adrenochrome. Could be. I'm going to show my support by donating to No Agenda. Imagine all the people who could do that. Oh yeah, that'd be fab. by donating to No Agenda. Imagine all the people who could do that. Oh yeah, that'd be fab. Yeah, on No Agenda in the morning. Well, the one thing you know for sure is your favorite podcasters are not on the Adrena Chrome because we're boomers.

Starting point is 02:57:38 Otherwise, we'd be looking young and svelte and we'd be just fantastic. But no, no, no Adrena Chrome for us. Instead, we have producers who we're going to thank. $50 and above. Svelte and we'd be just fantastic but no no no adrenochrome for us instead we have producers who we're going to thank $50 and above we have John's tip of the day coming up we got end of show mixes there's all else there's all kinds of stuff happening a lot of good meetups and meetup report but right now John take us through the 50s if you will please yeah we're gonna start off with we have I can't pronounce his name is Irish are you Glasgow or Scottish

Starting point is 02:58:07 Cherian Cherian Doherty Cherian yeah, I'd say Cherian Doherty siari Kyarian Karen, maybe it's Karen Karen could be Karen Karen Karen. Yeah, could be Karen Doherty But he's in Glasgow. He she's in Glasgow, 185.88 with a yearly bonus, yeah, yearly donation. Thank you. So that's nice.

Starting point is 02:58:33 We don't hear enough from our UK folk. No, but they're all afraid to donate. Well, I'm surprised that, yeah, he'll be a knock on the door in a minute. Hello, open up. What are you giving to those guys for? Open up. door in a minute. What are you giving to those guys for? Sean Homan in Noblesville, Indiana 148.48. Martha Sharp in Lexington, South Carolina 123.45. Van Newman in? Newman?

Starting point is 02:58:57 Newman in Bernalito, Bernatillo, Bernatillo, New Mexico 10535. Sorrel, which is a vegetable, Sorrel Cooper in China, Michigan. Made in China. Michigan. I could have a double meaning. 10114 and he's got a happy birthday shout out to her husband, Sir John of the St. Clair Lowlands. They're going to move to Arizona. Sorrell, interesting name for a woman. Thomas Burns, 10121. Lucas Williams in Roswell, New Mexico, 100. Sir, sir Mike 44 in Beth, Bethalto these places, Bethalto, Illinois, a hundred. He wants some yak karma. If you give him that, he'll give you a Bellamy salute. He says,

Starting point is 03:00:03 whatever that is. I don't know if I want him. Dame, uh, malevation, Bellamy salute he says whatever that is I don't know if I know I don't know Dame Melevation in Colorado Springs Colorado came in with a hundred sir sterling in Boise 81 95 oh he's sent in the JCD he's the one to send in the red I also got's the one who sent in the red hoodie. I also got a couple of other people to thank, which I'll do in the next show. Ohio Staters, who sent more hoodies, and I get a lot of hoodies now. I also got a note from somebody telling me to be careful if I wear the Ohio State hoodie because I'll be swamped with Ohio State nutballs.

Starting point is 03:00:55 Aren't we the best? Curtis Cool in East Stroudsburg, Pennsylvania, 80, 17, which is Irish boobs are smiling. The Irish boobs are smiling. It's't know. He's 17. I don't know. The Irish boobs are smiling. It's a birthday for him. Kevin McLaughlin, Conker, North Carolina, 8-008. He's the Archduke Aluna, lover of America, lover of boobs. Dame Rita, our friend in Sparks, Nevada, a 76. She says we're doing a great job and she loves our style.

Starting point is 03:01:22 She never writes a note. Jackie Horn in Plainfield, Indiana, 67. great job and she loves our style. She never writes a note. Jackie Horne in Plainfield, Indiana, 67. For a hunk of burning love John. All right. It's a birthday. David Hall, Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. Holrichel. You helped me through that hard time. Well, that's what we're here for. Elliot Lang, 606. Subodh Peth in Metterie, Louisiana, 5809. This is his Blofeld donation, 5809.

Starting point is 03:02:22 Everybody's coming in with Blofeld donations of 5809. James Edmondson in South Plainfield, New Jersey, 5510. Sir Luke Rayner in London, UK, 5510. Karma for all. We'll give you some karma at the end. Michael Eager in North Bethesda, Maryland, 5276. This is Mike from the Outer Swamp Meetup reminder. Kevin Dills in Huntersville, North Carolina, 50. Oh, the rest of these are 50s. And here we go. Kevin, Diane Schwannebeck

Starting point is 03:02:56 in Johnsburg, Illinois, Greg Mackie in Medford, Oregon, Philip Blue in Louisville, Kentucky. Oh, yeah, F Cancer with the N4M. Yeah. Easy Landscapes in North Stonington, Connecticut for you people who need landscaping. Chris Lewinsky in Sherwood Park, Alberta. A citizen in Bensonville, Illinois. And last on the list, Sir Jerry Winginroth, our pal there, a regular contributor from Sagas, California. Oh, wonderful. Thank you all so much. No one under 50 mentioned because it's all for reasons of anonymity, but we do again want to thank our executive and associate executive producers for helping us out. What are you drinking? Just polar seltzer. Okay. And you can set up a recurring donation. Please consider doing that at noagendadonations.com.

Starting point is 03:03:46 Check if you had one because it may have been expired. It does happen around this time of year. Noagendadonations.com. Any amount, any frequency, jobs, karma with a yak. Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs. Let's vote for jobs. Yay! You've got

Starting point is 03:04:02 Karma. That's right. Noagendadonations.com. Donate today. You've got......harma. Face tension happy birthday to his late mom and steadman. She would have celebrated on the 14th. That is a what do you call that? Forgot the term he used I remember that I'd march Sir M and Dame Dre I wish their son ham bone a happy birthday. He celebrated I celebrate today 15 years old today, sir proteus, happy birthday with his wife, Avis, celebrates today. Curtis Cool celebrates his birthday tomorrow. Sir Vanis Shunecker wishes her amazing boyfriend, George Hernandez, or maybe it's Jorge, a happy one, turning 28 on March 21st. And Sonal Cooper, happy birthday to her husband, Sir John of the St. Clair Lowlands.

Starting point is 03:05:02 And we wish all of these people a very happy birthday from everybody here at the best podcast in the universe. And now we're going to start with our Commodores before we get to our nights and then we have an upgrade. So we'd like to welcome the following people to the podium. Commodore Sir Baron Mike of Clark County, Nevada, Slayer of Taxes and Commodore Aaron. We have a layaway knight from Michael Cicora who says, I'm writing to claim my knighthood. It was a layaway.

Starting point is 03:05:45 It happens. People do this months and months, sometimes years, but you can get there. Henceforth, I'd like to be known as Sir Mumbly Peg. My mother, Linda Ciccora, told me about the game of Mumbly Peg last summer and I knew immediately I needed to make that my knight name. Mumbly Peg was born long before the internet when kids had nothing better to do than throw knives at their feet. John, can you explain the game of Mumbly Peg?

Starting point is 03:06:13 I always thought it was done with the hands where you had you push them with their hands and you have a knife going back and forth. But I think maybe it was before my time actually to be honest, which is a long time. So I don't think anyone living today knows ever played this game. Well people who played it may not be living anymore because I think they're also through knives at somebody's feet near the duck or something. I'm not sure. Not a great idea. No Agenda is truly the best podcast in the universe. I enjoy listening with my human resource. Future Miss Little Miss Mumbly Peg for all of you in Get One Nation night who is easily achievable with sustaining donations

Starting point is 03:06:46 Set it and forget it, but remember to keep them running and for the roundtable. He would like some Cade fright here right here like Lugana Italian wine. I Don't know what that is with pan-fried walleye and venison pork tacos. Okay, Michael You will are you're about to be knighted right now. In fact, I'm going to grab the blade. We have three knights and one dame, John. You got it right here. Very nice.

Starting point is 03:07:13 Okay. Avis, step on up. Michael Socorra, step on up. As well as Ray Samori and Mike Keeler. All four of you about to enter that exclusive club, the Noagenta Knights and Dames. I'm hereby happy to pronounce the Kate B. As, Dame Avis, Hugger of Hounds, Sir Mumbly Peg, Sir Woody the Phantom, and Sir Mike. For you we've got Hookers and Blow, Rent Boys, and Chardonnay. But also we have Window Jane, 15-year-old Whiskey and Homebaked Nestle chocolate chip cookies, Cade Frati, Frati Laguna Italian wine with pan-fried

Starting point is 03:07:46 walleye and venison pork tacos and some Pat's blue ribbon for the trolls. Along with that we've got some gingerland gerbils, sparkling cider nesquik, Spock it's suburban and there's always the mutton and meat. All four of you head over to knowagenerings.com you can line up behind the Commodores and that means that all you have to do is give us your ring size. It's not that hard. There's a ring sizing guide on the website and send us an address and you will get that handsome knight or dame ring along with a certificate of authenticity and some wax to seal your important correspondence because it is a signet ring. And now we've got some title changes So we have that upgrade we talked about earlier sir Mike as sir Commodore Baron Mike of Clark County, Nevada slayer of taxes Sir Scovey will become sir Scovey Archduke of the Piedmont and Sir Dr. Sharkey becomes Duke Sir Dr. Sharkey and he claimed Mars so he will become the Lord of Mars.

Starting point is 03:08:51 Wow, that's amazing. Thank you all very much for your additional $1,000 support of the best podcast in the universe. No Agenda Meetups! Yeah! The No Agenda Meetups, they are producer organized. You can find an entire list at NoAgendaMeetups.com. This is where you get the connection that gives you protection.

Starting point is 03:09:12 The people you meet there are the people who will be the first responders in an emergency. I know because they all responded and checked on me when the fire was raging here. Here's an example of a meetup. This is a meetup report. This is the Snowhomo one ball meetup. Oh yeah. In the morning ladies and germs, this is Jorge reaching out from the Snowhomo area. I'm here hanging out with a group of fine people. I'm going to pass the phone around. I've got one ball. Just thought I'd mention that. Sorry. In the morning, this is Savannah. Happy to be here. We're at the recovery center for the whiplash. The ball is in your court, John.

Starting point is 03:09:49 This is our Jack Ash recovering from what apparently was a genetically predisposed engineered virus, saskitches, I can't speak. But we're here at beautiful Snowholmish Sound of Summer Brook. And we're all wondering why bigike2028.com redirects to infoborastore.com. All right, that's all. Take care. Alex got it. There you go. No wonder we missed out on it. There's no meetups today, but there is one coming up on Tuesday, the North Idaho

Starting point is 03:10:18 Sanity Brigade meet the March meetup five o'clock at Trails End Brewery and Brick Oven Pizza in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho. And then our next showday Thursday, Central Wisconsin, Wow Saw, 3.33 p.m. Scones in Schofield, Wisconsin. And you can go to Tucson, Arizona for the It's Cold It's Hot Tucson Meetup, 4 o'clock at Canyons Crown. Also on Thursday, the Denver Spring Equinox Meetup, 6.30 at Lincoln's Roadhouse in Denver, Colorado. Man, they got a lot of meetups going on there and Charlotte's thirsty third Thursday It happens every third Thursday of the month at 7 o'clock Ed's Tavern in Charlotte, North Carolina

Starting point is 03:10:52 Many more to be found including Osaka, Japan if you happen to be there Culemborg in Gelderland the Netherlands a lot more in the United States and there's even one in Oakland on your birthday John April 5th I'm figuring maybe you should go check it out. I mean, you might get some gifts. You might get some presents. I might get some presents. You might give it a shot. Ohio State hoodies.

Starting point is 03:11:13 Yeah, you need more of those. More hoodies for John from Ohio State. Oh yes. Ohio State definitely beat Michigan when it came to the hoodies. So go to noagendameetups.com to see the entire list as a calendar, you can look them up, you can search them, I think they even have meter reports and you can file one

Starting point is 03:11:31 after you've done your meetup, you can find it near you. Wait a minute, it's not near you? Oh, why don't you start one yourself? It's really easy to do, noagendameetups.com. Sometimes you wanna go hang out with all the types and names meetups.com. You want to be where everybody feels the same. So now we have somewhat of a conundrum. The conundrum being... I don't believe for a second you've stopped using 11 Labs AI to create your end of show isos. No, now it's obvious.

Starting point is 03:12:15 So I'll just... I'll bring the real ones, you bring the fake ones. Oh, you're not gonna cheat? No, I'm not a cheater. I'm a lover, not a cheater. I don't do these things. No. A lover, not a cheater. It doesn't make any sense, but okay. Here's my ISO. At the end of these four years, how do you see a relationship?

Starting point is 03:12:33 Cheater. All right, let's just go with yours. You know that you're going to win. The game is not even fun anymore. Well, I'll tell you this. Well, you're probably right, but you's, it, well the game, the game, that, you're probably right, but you could go there and try to compete with these.

Starting point is 03:12:50 I got, I've got, I got four here. Yeah, you manufactured four. One of them is an apology. One of them is an apology. I used Jessica the whole time. But let's play this one that I so love. I love these two guys. And Adam is so handsome.

Starting point is 03:13:07 Huh? That's my apology. Yeah, no, you're gonna have to work a lot harder than that, son. A lot harder than that. Okay, well, let me go to the ones that are possible here. Let's start with great show.

Starting point is 03:13:22 How was that for a great show? This is the way she cracks her voice at the end this is unbelievable yes here we have what's the hour I guess I love these two guys do another hour oh god now it just becomes sickening I'm sick to my stomach. Well I stayed with the same voice you made me nauseous. She's got a sickening voice. You made me nauseous. Over and by. No agenda is over today. Bye bye. See now they just suck. They just no good. Yeah they're all great. They're no good. Well I'm not gonna tell you which one I'm gonna use. I'm just gonna grab one at random because they're all fake, phony, fake news and now it's time for the one and only real news of John's Tip of the Day.

Starting point is 03:14:17 Created by Dana Bernetti. Okay so this is a top rated, this is a cleaning product. This is going back, because Mimi came up with this one and she's irked that she never knew about it before. Up in Port Angeles we have hard water and anyone who has hard water knows that toilet bowl cleaning is like impossible. Don't you have a salt dispenser? Like one of those, we have this here in Texas.

Starting point is 03:14:45 With this hard water, we don't have a water softener, if that's what you're talking about. Yes, we call it the salt. Yeah, water softener. And so cleaning certain things is difficult. But if you can imagine a product that's the number one top rated, 70,000 reviews on Amazon, 70,000 reviews on Amazon, all five

Starting point is 03:15:10 stars. All AI and phony. No. She says this stuff's unbelievable. Of course, it should be because it's hypochloric acid. It's very dangerous, but it's a hell of a cleaner. So can you clean your coffee pot with it? Will that help? This is light. If you wash it out thoroughly, probably no problem. But toilet bowl cleaner

Starting point is 03:15:32 from Lysol. It's a Lysol product. Lysol toilet bowl cleaner, maximum strength, bathroom cleaning. It's three dollars and something. It's dirt cheap. And it's got nothing but fabulous reviews. This is the product to get for cleaning toilet bowls. Especially most of the countries got hard water and this is the stuff you want. Here in Texas, we just use Dawn soap for everything, John. We use Dawn soap. We kill our... You've been using a lot of Dawn soap.

Starting point is 03:16:04 We kill our wasps with it. We kill our red ants with it and we deter the illegal aliens with it. We don't need no fancy baloney 70,000 review stuff here in Texas. If we had a fire, we'd put it out with Dawn Soap. Yeah, well, that probably does work in Texas, but anyway, there's Lysol toilet bowl cleaner. Lysol toilet bowl cleaner. Ladies and gentlemen, can we get any higher than that? Oh, we're so high brow. Go to tipoftheday.net to find all of John's tips of the day.

Starting point is 03:16:35 Creative advice for you and me. Just a tip with JCD. And sometimes, Adam. Created by Dana Bernetti The show is in the toilet Ha ha Oh yeah, I'm full of them I don't know, I'm still bummed about these fake ISOs

Starting point is 03:16:56 It kind of ruins the game I'm not feeling good about it, John You shouldn't feel good about it either I feel great about it, John. You shouldn't feel good about it either. I feel great about it. Yeah. Typical. Hey, coming up next on no agenda stream.com trollroom.io or if you're listening on one of those modern podcasts, we've got everything's an argument. This is the isms episode. This is a meet us and his daughter, Laila. And, uh, and they argue, which is kind of fun to listen to. They are and they're podcasting 2.0 compatible all the way so boost them, boost them big.

Starting point is 03:17:30 Also end of show mixes from Jesse Coy Nelson, Professor Jay Jones and David Kechter with a live drum of aluminium which we forgot to talk about. Coming to you from the heart of the Texas Hill Country right here in somewhat scorched Fredericksburg. In the morning everybody, I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley, is it supposed to rain? I can't tell. I'm John C. Dvorak.

Starting point is 03:17:53 We'll be back on Thursday with more media deconstruction just for you. Tune in and fix your amygdala. We're happy to help. And remember us at NoAgendaDonations.com. Until Thursday, adios, mofos, a hooey hooey, and such. Generals gathered in their masses. This is a memo that describes how we're going to take out seven countries in five years. Just like witches at black masses

Starting point is 03:18:25 When I first came to office, one of the first meetings I had was at the Pentagon with generals. Evil minds that plot destruction Bolton has always said, let's go to war, but he's not the one who's going to go on the forefront. He's a coward. Sorcerer of death's construction to go on the forefront. He's a coward. The leaders of Iran are racketeers. Behind every problem is Iran. They heard what you said in 2016 and liked it when you said no more stupid wars. You got a rogue president in the White House surrounded by these uber hawks that thirst for another war with Iran.

Starting point is 03:19:10 The International Atomic Energy Agency has never found Iran in contravention of stipulations in the deal. If Iran wants to fight, that will be the official end of Iran. Never threaten the United States again. I'm not somebody that wants to fight. That will be the official end of Iran. Never threaten the United States again. I'm not somebody that wants to go into war. Is the United States heading towards another Middle East showdown? This time with Iran. Let's have a war! So you can go and die! Let's have a war! And he says the ball, the ball is in Putin's court.

Starting point is 03:19:46 But what does ball in court mean? Fuck you can't be serious man. There is no such thing as a ball in a court. It means the responsibility is now yours. Fuck you can't be serious man. Origin and meaning really became popular in the 1970s around the I asked Billie Jean Who would dance on the floor The ball is in her hand The European security order

Starting point is 03:20:30 is being shaken and so many of our illusions are being shattered After the end of the Cold War some believe that Russia could be integrated in Europe's economic and security architecture. A major escalation in President Trump's trade war. The President now firing back at the retaliation Europe took yesterday. Here is what he just posted. The European Union has just put a nasty 50% tariff on whiskey. If this tariff is not removed immediately, the US will shortly place a 200% tariff on all wine,

Starting point is 03:21:09 champagne, and alcoholic products coming out of France and other EU-represented countries. I need an opinion on this. Is it aluminium? Is it alluminium? Al-lu-minium? Al-al-aluminium? Or is it aluminium? What is aluminium? But the British love calling it aluminium. Why? Why? Is that something like, uh, aluminium?

Starting point is 03:21:34 They call trucks lorries. Lorries is kind of that. It seems to me that they're lorries. The best podcast in the universe. Adios, mofo. Dvorak.org slash NA. I love these two guys. And Adam is so handsome.

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