No Agenda - 1752 - "Pell-Mell"

Starting point is 00:00:00 I have a Niner. Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak. It's Thursday, April 3rd, 2025. This year award winning kill foundation media assassination episode 1752. This is No Agenda. Feeling liberated and broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas snow country

Starting point is 00:00:19 here in FEMA region number six. In the morning everybody, I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley where it's time to filibuster the show, I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley, where it's time to filibuster the show, I'm John C. Dvorak. It's Crackpot and Buzzkill. In the morning. I want everyone to know

Starting point is 00:00:34 that John and I are wearing catheters on the show so we can continue to bring you the best media deconstruction nonstop. They always say that. Well, that person who stood there for 24 hours, they had a catheter. Remember that crazy woman who did that? No. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:00:56 Yeah. Are you talking about the space astronaut? No, no, no. She was wearing a diaper. No, there was, there was, I think, I no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, was? Yeah, it was that Wendy Davis, that's who it was. Wendy. Wendy Davis. What happened to Wendy?

Starting point is 00:01:30 She disappeared. I remember, well, whatever did happen to Wendy Davis. I remember, because I was still in Austin then. And I think, in fact, I think I still hung out with the artist and her... The artist. The artist, yeah, another one gone by. I met her. She came to San Francisco for some art. Yeah, because she's an artist.

Starting point is 00:01:57 Yeah, she's an artist. She was wacky. Yeah, she was running for governor. And I remember I was like... The artist? The art? No, no, Wendy Davis, not the artist, Wendy Davis. But I remember when Wendy, oh, Wendy Davis, she's so brave. She's so courageous.

Starting point is 00:02:13 You know, she was wearing a catheter. She was catheterized. She's a mezzang. To be cringe. Yeah. And so that's, uh, that's exactly what they said of Cory Booker, but I'm with you. I think he was wearing a diaper. I think that's much more realistic.

Starting point is 00:02:28 Yeah. Yeah. What was that about, Vyde? Do you have any clips of that? Please tell me. I only have the summary clip. 24 hours of that. Let's see. What was it? What do you have? Is it under Booker maybe?

Starting point is 00:02:43 No, let's see. Bory. Booker. I got Book it under Booker maybe? Or what do you have? Oh, let's see. Borey. Booker. I got Booker. Booker short report. This is a lot shorter than what he did. New Jersey Democratic Senator Cory Booker has been speaking on the floor of the U.S. Senate since Monday evening, saying he's protesting President Trump's agenda. And Fierce Deidre Walsh has more.

Starting point is 00:03:01 Booker began speaking on the Senate floor around 7 p.m. local time and said he would remain there for as long as he could to use the platform to highlight his opposition to Republican policies. He stood and declared his intention to, in his words, get in some good trouble. Walsh- I rise with the intention of disrupting the normal business of the United States Senate for as long as I am physically able. Booker's extended speech is not likely to delay any legislation and is not technically a filibuster. He'll read letters he's received from constituents worried about possible cuts to programs like Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security.

Starting point is 00:03:39 Senators from both parties have used similar tactics to draw attention to issues, even when they were unable to stop Senate votes. Well, it completely fell flat. It was a lunatic. You know, the thing, they tried to dramatize it on NPR, I didn't get this clip, but they went on the show, they compared it to the James Stewart movie and, uh, Mr. Smith goes to Washington and how James Stewart was, he was there protesting the corruption and the way they would, as they presented it, I'm starting to think, wait a minute, Cory Booker is actually protesting the anti-corruption.

Starting point is 00:04:20 He was protesting for corruption. He wanted more government waste and abuse. More waste, please. We want more waste. Now, this is, so I think Chuck Schumer started another, like, all right, everybody, we can do this. We can all get together and we can, we can flood the zone. We'll flood the zone.

Starting point is 00:04:38 We'll tell everybody what they're doing. Let's just lie. Oh, I'm sorry. Let's tell them that they're going to take away your social security granny. They're doing exactly what the Republicans did with the granny in the wheelchair. Remember that? They're pushing granny over the cliff. You remember that.

Starting point is 00:04:55 So they- Yeah, she should. I know. A wheelchair going over a cliff. So they put together a war room, a social security war room, and they all got together. And we're gonna do some speeches, and we're gonna scare Granny.

Starting point is 00:05:09 Look, social security has always been the third rail in American politics. You touch it, you get burnt. George W. Bush learned that the hard way. These, this Trump-Doge-Musk vote administration is in such a bubble. A bubble? They don't understand it. They are so frothing at the mouth for tax cuts for...

Starting point is 00:05:32 Jacques Hughes! Jacques Hughes! Who's frothing at the mouth, Chuck Schumer? ...is in such a bubble. They don't understand it. They are so frothing at the mouth... Talk about a gas lighter. Oh, it gets better because we got Warren and that other old bag here. We're tax cuts for the wealthy that they're willing to even touch Social Security.

Starting point is 00:05:53 And they're not just touching it. They're touching it. They're trying to destroy it. Destroy it. They're trying to strangle it. Elon Musk makes $8 million a day. The American dream. From the federal government and he wants to take away the

Starting point is 00:06:07 $65 a day that the average Social Security recipient gets. This is really ugly. It's, I mean, it's such a lie. There is no truth, no evidence whatsoever. This, this is actually, now you are scaring granny and other people. People actually are looking at their check. Well, let me get my check. Let me see if they cut it.

Starting point is 00:06:31 Trump and Musk know that they don't have the votes in Congress to cut Social Security. So instead, they're trying backdoor cuts by dismantling the agency that makes sure that Americans get the benefits they are legally entitled to. How does that even make sense? So they know they can't do it, but they're gonna close the door, they're gonna stop the checks, they're gonna lay in front of the mail truck. Social Security is under siege. The chainsaw is pointed at their earned Social Security benefits. We believe Republicans have manufactured a crisis of social security. And the reality is social security would be fully funded for generations if Congress eliminated

Starting point is 00:07:13 the payroll tax cut cap for billionaires and collected the money that they are illegally evading in taxes. So they're getting a head start by laying off people who are responsible for collecting taxes owed by the wealthy. So then they had another tactic. Well, I know what we'll do. We'll tell everybody Elon's quitting because we're getting to him. Let's stay in the US where media reports are saying that Donald Trump has told close associates that Elon Musk will soon step down from his job in the administration.

Starting point is 00:07:45 Mr. Musk is head of the Department of Government Efficiency or DOGE, where he's in charge of cutting federal bureaucracy. Reports emerged after an election in Wisconsin that developed into a test of Musk and Trump's popularity in the state. The tech billionaire poured billions of dollars into the election to pick a new judge on Wisconsin's Supreme Court. Musk's Trump-friendly candidate lost to a liberal. The White House responded to the report by saying Musk will depart from public service

Starting point is 00:08:16 when his work at Doge is complete. So they started this rumor. Oh, Elon's quitting. Oh, he's leaving. Everybody jumped on it. The news. The news. They had news. Here's Elon's quitting, always leaving. Everybody jumped on it. The news, the news, they had news. Here's NBC's version. You have some new reporting about Elon Musk and his White House role.

Starting point is 00:08:33 What do we know? What do we know? Yeah, over the last several days, we've heard from President Trump. That'd be good chant. What do we know? Nothing. Why do we not know it? We're dumb.

Starting point is 00:08:43 Yeah, Kate, over the last several days, we've heard from President Trump in the Oval Office on Monday saying that Elon Musk would be going back to the private sector in the near future. Well, we're just hearing from a senior White House official that the president did tell his cabinet back during a meeting on March 24th that Elon Musk, who heads up Do Doge and of course has become a key figure in this administration that he would be going back to the private sector and the White House official tells me that this would be at the end of his 130 days as a special government employee. Of course that would be in late March. So of course, Kate, this how would that be late March of next year comes on the heels of that a special election in Wisconsin yesterday, where Democrats are seeing that as a win.

Starting point is 00:09:32 Elon Musk, of course, spending millions as PACs, spending millions of dollars on that Supreme Court race and that his candidate lost significantly in that race. This all comes in that timing. But again, the White House saying that this was in the works before this and this just simply is Elon Musk's role as a government employee running its course. I will say when Musk was running around on the stage in Wisconsin with the cheese on his head, I thought, man, you are a Trump's monkey boy. He'll do whatever he wants you to. I thought that was bad. But you all know the bottom line is Elon is political poison.

Starting point is 00:10:09 This morning you can find some Democrats smiling, maybe for the first time in the last few months. That's after some good special election results, an outright win in Wisconsin and some better margins in the state of Florida. So what does it all mean and what really happens? Better margins. Data analyst, Harry Enton is here. Let's start with a little bit of Wisconsin, right out of Moose Bush on Wisconsin.

Starting point is 00:10:34 Moose Bush. Moose Bush. Moose Bush. Moose Bush. Bush doesn't like some sorbet. How do they come up with these, with these? The chef has a special treat, especially for you. A spoon of goo. You know, I had dinner the other night at what's it called here?

Starting point is 00:10:55 It's Cabernet Grill, which is actually probably the best place to get steak. And you know what they had as an amuse bouche? A specialty from the chef before. A single pistachio. No, no, the Cabernet Grille, man, we're Texans. No, they had deep-fried deviled eggs. This was... That's a scotch egg, I believe.

Starting point is 00:11:22 Well, but I mean, no, because it was really, they had really done the devil thing inside, you know, so it was half an egg and they put the filling in. So it was really a devil egg, not a Scotch. A Scotch egg is just the whole egg. But anyway, that was their Amuse-Bouche. Now that's interesting. How was it? It was probably tasty.

Starting point is 00:11:42 It was fantastic. Yeah, yeah, we go nuts here. We try all kinds of stuff the deep Invented I like it whose Bush on Wisconsin This was a race Elon Musk spent big in this great race to sway the Supreme Court race there He also went he was constant which may honestly have backfired. Yeah I think it may have backfired. Look I think if there's one thing we should be taking away from the results in Wisconsin and the polling that we have from Wisconsin and national, if you are a Republican candidate running in a swing state, you don't want Elon Musk anywhere near you.

Starting point is 00:12:17 Yes maybe you like the money but you do not want his presence in your state. Why is that? Elon Musk simply put is an unpopular guy. He is political poison. Look in Wisconsin, his net favorable rating, minus 12 points, 12 points underwater. This is the stats guy. Yeah, they forgot to mention that Soros spent more.

Starting point is 00:12:38 That's what happened. They try to downplay the Soros thing. I've seen a number of stories where they don't even mention Soros. It's just the one side was backed by a billionaire and the other side, oh grassroots. Yeah, total grassroots, yes. And at this point it's got to be Soros. Alex has done nothing but damage the system. Everybody he puts in has been the soft on crime weenies and it's just that this is, and you'd think the media would side with anybody but Soros, but no no source is great, and I think it's open society Institute

Starting point is 00:13:10 Which has got to be Alex at this point. I mean George. Yeah, no George is George Yeah, we need we need to say Alex source just to make make it clear and is it is he now married to? To Aberdeen is that all done today is that how did that happen? I don't think to Aberdeen? Is that all done? Did that happen? I don't think so. Aberdeen. Political poison. Aberdeen. Wisconsin is net favorable rating minus 12 points, 12 points underwater. That is an even worse number when you look nationally.

Starting point is 00:13:38 Look at that. It's minus 17 points. Dude, dude, easy does it. So if there's one big lesson to take away from Wisconsin is Elon Musk does not help Republicans when he shows up. If anything, the data suggests that he hurts them. Republicans, stay clear of Elon Musk if you want to win in a swing state, at least in terms of his physical appearance in your state.

Starting point is 00:13:58 Oh, especially with that cheese on his head. I'll agree. I think the cheese on his head was a mistake. I would not have advised that. I would not have advised that. The cheese on his head. I would not have advised that. I have one of those cheese heads. They deteriorate after about 10 years.

Starting point is 00:14:12 Oh, they get, they start to break away like chunky pieces? No, it's like it turns into a powder. It's like a bad type of plastic. It's like a foam. They're made out of foam. Yeah, you should get rid of that. That's probably toxic. Yeah, I can't find it. I'm not surprised. No, somewhere. I don't know where it is. So all of this fell away in the backdrop

Starting point is 00:14:34 of, and I'm just gonna say, we didn't know what happened this way. It was unexpected, but I think we now are officially in World War III. That's what this is. It's a trade war but we're in World War III. Liberation Day and we did it backwards. We celebrated liberation first then we started the war. It's been amazing to watch. I have just been like because nobody knows what's going to happen with these tariffs. Every economist is going to be great., it's going to be the worst thing ever. Oh, the whole world is going to go into recession. Depression, 1930, it's all over. Oh no, this is going to make America the best.

Starting point is 00:15:13 It's MAWA, MAWA, MAWA. That's the new one. MAWA, make America wealthy again. My fellow Americans, this is liberation day. Yeah. Waiting for a long time. April 2nd, 2025 will forever be remembered as the day American industry was reborn, the day America's destiny was reclaimed,

Starting point is 00:15:38 and the day that we began to make America wealthy again. We're going to make it wealthy, good and wealthy. For decades our country has been looted, pillaged, raped and plundered by nations near and far, both friend and foe alike. American steelworkers, auto workers, farmers and skilled craftsmen, we have a lot of them here with us today. They really suffered gravely. They watched in anguish as foreign leaders have stolen our jobs, foreign cheaters have ransacked

Starting point is 00:16:12 our factories, foreign scavengers have torn apart our once beautiful American dream. We had an American dream that you don't hear so much about. You did four years ago and you are now, but you don't too often and for many years and decades even, you don't hear so much about. You did four years ago, and you are now, but you don't too often, and for many years, and decades even, you didn't hear too much about. Our country and its taxpayers have been ripped off for more than 50 years, but it is not going to happen anymore. It's not gonna happen. So it's very, there were a couple

Starting point is 00:16:41 of really interesting things about this announcement. I was watching the, I was the CMBC and Fox News and watching the after hours numbers, the after hour trading and everything kind of closed on. It really surprised me. Everything closed up and it was as if no one believed he was going to do this. The minute he brought that wacky chart out, that board, boom, everything started tanking. Everyone's like, oh, this is the worst of all worst possible scenarios. We didn't expect this. Well, what do we do? You didn't expect him to actually do this.

Starting point is 00:17:17 And there was something else in this speech because it's not really about tariffs, but a whole bunch of other things. For decades, the United States slashed our trade barriers on other countries, while those nations placed massive tariffs on our products and created outrageous non-monetary barriers to decimate our industries. And in many cases, the non-monetary barriers were worse than the monetary ones. They manipulated their currencies, subsidized their exports, stole our intellectual property, imposed exorbitant VAT taxes to disadvantage our products, adopted unfair rules and technical standards, and created filthy pollution havens. They were absolutely filthy, but they always came to us and they said we're violating.

Starting point is 00:18:05 We should pay for it. It's all detailed in a very big report by the U.S. Trade Representative on Foreign Trade Barriers. And I'll just hold it up for you. It's available. And you don't have to pay too much, as I understand it. You'll pay nothing. It's a lot of work for something, a special, it's a special book.

Starting point is 00:18:27 It's very frankly, it's very upsetting when you read it when you see what people have been doing to us for 30 years. So it's the best book ever. It's the best best book ever. 30 years. Boy in 30. Oh, yeah. Best book. It's a beautiful book. I started reading the book and like my eyes are glazing over from this book. And the way they calculate, and I thought the surprising was, you know, with the reciprocal. And so the president put exactly 50% tariffs of all the tariffs that have been put on us. So if you had 40%, then you got 20% from us. And the economists are flabbergasted

Starting point is 00:19:08 at how they did the calculation. Some economists have figured out the way that- What? I wanted to, since you were on the Trump clips, I had a couple of clips I wanted to get in. Oh yeah, okay, sure. Because I thought that these were the more important clips of that speech of his,

Starting point is 00:19:27 which were the ones that have actual numbers, when he started bitching about NAFTA. And I believe that the NAFTA thing, he might be right about it was the deciding factor. That's where his 30 years comes from, is from NAFTA. Yeah, I think you're right. Because it does seem to match, cause that's Clinton came up with NAFTA. Yeah, I think you're right. Because it does seem to match, because that's Clinton came up with NAFTA, and it really opened the drain, that's for sure. But since the very beginning of NAFTA, our country lost 90,000 factories.

Starting point is 00:19:57 Think of what that is, 90,000. Think about putting a map up and putting tax on it. You wouldn't have enough room. 90,000. I said, is that possible? We had it checked four different times and it was actually somewhat higher than that. And five million manufacturing jobs were lost while racking up trade deficits of nineteen trillion dollars. That was the worst trade deal ever made. As a result of these gigantic losses,

Starting point is 00:20:24 foreign nations now own $26 trillion more of American assets than American. Yep. I thought those were good numbers. Yeah. And 90,000 is a lot. That's a lot. Thank you, Bill Clinton.

Starting point is 00:20:42 And the other thing was, is that I I remember because the first thing that came to mind with the 90,000 factories gone, the first thing that came to mind with me was Maytag, the washing machine company. Yeah, better, yeah. Maytag, the greatest washing machine you could buy. It's still, I mean, you still use ones are better than the ones you can get today. And they took that, closed down the entire operation and moved the whole thing to Mexico. And because of NAFTA, but this is part two of the NAFTA complaint.

Starting point is 00:21:21 The United States can no longer produce enough antibiotics to treat our sick. We have a tremendous problem. We have to go to foreign countries to treat our sick. If anything ever happened from a war standpoint, we wouldn't be able to do it. We import virtually all of our computers, phones, televisions and electronics. We used to dominate the field, and now we import it all from different countries. A single shipyard in China now produces more ships every year than all of the American shipyards combined. Think of that.

Starting point is 00:21:48 And it was a business that we used to dominate. We used to dominate it totally. In short, chronic trade deficits are no longer merely an economic problem. They're a national emergency that threatens our security and our very way of life. So I want to play this clip from Deutsche Villa, where they explain the calculation of the numbers because they did not really look at the tariffs. They looked at completely different things. Some economists have figured out the way that these were calculated by the

Starting point is 00:22:19 white house and its team. And these economists have been flabbergasted at how cumbersome these equations are basically saying that the U S took the trade deficit that the and its team and these economists have been flabbergasted at how cumbersome these equations are basically saying that the US took the trade deficit that the US has with said country and divided it by the imports from that country which is a very clunky way of doing things and not as surgical as you would expect. Some countries though however of course have tried to stave off these tariffs. The White House though says that it was too little, too late.

Starting point is 00:22:45 A senior White House official that we heard from said, quote, this is not a negotiation, it's a national emergency. And they said that the biggest problem was not necessarily the tariffs themselves, but actually non-tariff barriers. So things like quotas, import licenses, embargoes and things like that. So there are still some countries, however, trying to work their way around these tariffs, but right now they will be coming into effect in the next couple of days, a minimum of 10%, but some nations paying drastically more than that.

Starting point is 00:23:15 So they were really looking at the grand picture. I think that's kind of smart. I thought so too, which brings me to another clip. If you want, don't mind. Yeah, of course. This is the talking to the mic, man. You're not, you're not hitting the mic. Yeah. So I was reaching for something. Yeah. Well talking. What were you reaching for? The paper that has the list of clips. Ah, the clip list. Very important paper.

Starting point is 00:23:46 Um, NPR, when they discussed this that they were you know, and you saw this in most media In fact here we start with this tariff slant NPR. You can hear what they think Behind it, you know, it's like it is bad Oh, yeah President Donald Trump announced a sweeping plan to apply a 10% tariff on all imports coming into the US. MPR's Franco Ordonier reports a list of countries will also face additional quote, reciprocal tariffs. Some countries will face reciprocal tariffs as high as 49%. And what some experts describe as the most aggressive changes to US trade policy in decades.

Starting point is 00:24:23 President Trump announced a plan during a Rose Garden ceremony at the White House. This is one of the most important days, in my opinion, in American history. It's our Declaration of Economic Independence. U.S. officials say the 10 percent tariffs will start April 5th. About 60 countries will face additional customized reciprocal tariffs starting on April 9. Trump boasted the plan would supercharge the industrial base and boost government revenues, but most economists warn that tariffs will raise prices for consumers and could hurt the economy.

Starting point is 00:24:57 The exact extent to which the new Trump administration tariffs will play out in the economy is an unknown, but if history is any guide, while the tariffs could create jobs in some sectors, they will also cause job losses in others. Diane Swank is the chief economist at KPMG US. She says the higher tariffs against goods imported from other countries could essentially rewrite the way global trade has been conducted, potentially pushing up prices for US consumers. Tariffs are a regressive tax. Not only do they tax those who can afford it least, they also tend to trigger reactions by our trading partners and can trigger a trade war.

Starting point is 00:25:33 And they cause inflation and STEM growth at the same time. New tariffs will not apply to some goods like steel and aluminum, which are already subject to tariffs. I like this, they're continuously calling it a tax. A tax. It's a tax. It's a tax on your own people and then Queen Ursula says well you know we're just gonna have to raise our tariffs. Well aren't you saying you're gonna raise taxes on your own people then? It's a tariff. It's a tariff. It's never presented that way. That's a very good

Starting point is 00:26:03 observation. Yeah it's not. It's never presented that. It's a tariff. It's never presented that way. That's a very good observation. Yeah, it's not. It's never presented that way. It's only on our side. Everything's bad about us. And NPR, you know, they don't have a balance. They don't have one guy saying something else. I mean, I got clips. I got a clip of it. Well, of course not. Why would you do that? So I was stunned.

Starting point is 00:26:18 Uh-oh. When Planet Money... Oh, that's the... Is that Kyle the Spook? I don't know who it is, but no, that was the other Money show. Oh, no, the other Spook. I don't know Planet Money, yeah. Planet Money is similar. And Planet Money, which is on NPR, they played these two. I got two clips here.

Starting point is 00:26:42 And they kind of went to the... They didn't get the memo, I guess, and they kind of took it the other way. But for a long time, the dominant voices in the profession made the case that those trade-offs were really worth it. Top lawmakers in both parties in the US really bought into this idea

Starting point is 00:26:58 that free trade would be great for America. And they really pushed it for the rest of the world. And through the decades of that argument, there's been an economist who argued that the dominant voices in economics were wrong. That free trade actually sometimes held countries back, and protectionism could help make them richer. Hi, I'm Ha-Joon Chang. I'm a professor of economics at the University of London. Ha-Joon Chang wrote a book called Kicking Away the Ladder in 2002 about how rich countries used protectionist policies like tariffs back when they were developing and then told everyone else they couldn't do that.

Starting point is 00:27:36 They had to do free trade. And being a pro-tariff economist back in the early 2000s, it was kind of lonely. But he's got kind of the perfect example of why tariffs can work. My favorite example is Hyundai, the automobile company. When Ha-Joon was a little kid growing up in South Korea, Hyundai was not yet an automobile company. Hyundai originally was a construction company, but sometime in the late 60s, this company

Starting point is 00:28:06 decided that they wanted to build an automobile manufacturing business. So first, Hyundai had to figure out how to make a car. Hajun says it started by placing an order with Ford for something called a knockdown kit, which is just a big wooden box full of all the parts you could ever need to build one car The box arrives you open it up and it's just full of car parts large and small a door a bolt Two headlights isn't that how they put the cyber truck together? The knockdown kit knockdown kit Throw a couple of panels on. That's what you ended up with.

Starting point is 00:28:45 They had the wrong, yeah. Have you ever seen a knockdown kit? No, I never have. I've heard of them. Interesting. So, it goes from there and then the kicker here is exactly what you mentioned a minute ago, which is that instead of using the tariff number, you use what they actually did.

Starting point is 00:29:10 Well, the trade balance in general. They took the trade balance. Yeah, but listen to this piece of information, how Hyundai got into business in the first place, and now they make a really terrific car. But listen to what did you think they had to do to get to the point where they are now? Listen. They assembled around 3,000 of those cars in the late 60s. And then in the mid 70s, South Korean government said, we are going to cancel the license for auto manufacturers

Starting point is 00:29:42 unless they come up with their own design. Yeah, the government was like, actually, we want our car industry to be real companies, global players. Assembling a Ford car is not our end goal here. Can you level up a little bit? So Hyundai had to come out with their own design. In 1976, it made the Hyundai Pony. It was the first Korean passenger car. They made around 10,000 of them in a year. In the same year, Ford produced 1.9 million cars. General Motors produced 4.8 million cars. So they had a ways to go and they got a lot of help.

Starting point is 00:30:20 Initially, this company had to be hugely subsidized both by the government and by its own existing of help. So yeah, Hyundai was losing money on this new venture and he's saying the government decided to pitch in, give it some subsidies and the other parts of Hyundai that were profitable sent over their money. But even that wasn't enough. Even then it had to be protected from foreign competition because who's going to buy this two-bit car when you could import Cadillac or Mustang? No way. So import of foreign cars were completely banned.

Starting point is 00:31:05 A total import ban, like a tariff to infinity, the tariff of all tariffs. Oh man. That's how you do it. Yeah. Complete ban. I mean, I guess we subsidize our aircraft manufacturing industry with war, in a way, or maybe that doesn't even count anymore. I watched a lot of Bloomberg television, which is so much superior to CNBC. CNBC is just pretty people, hair on fire. Bloomberg is actually, there's ugly people on Bloomberg. The video is not the most important thing.

Starting point is 00:31:45 It's all the stats and the charts around it. And they had Tom Ford on. He's, what is he the governor of again? Of Ottawa. Of Ottawa. Oh no, of Ontario. Ontario. I think so.

Starting point is 00:31:59 And so, you know, there's this massive carve out for Mexico and for Canada based on the USMCA, which is the renegotiated version of NAFTA that the president did when he was 45. And man, it's like this. Remember Tom Ford, I'm going to turn off the power. We don't care about you. Look at me. I smoke crack like my brother. And this is a whole new guy. Canada got a break and they know it. It's great to have you with us, Mr. Ford. You've called this termination day instead of liberation. What will be the response now from Canada? Well, let's see where these tariffs go. I'm cautiously optimistic that I never saw Canada or Mexico on that list. And it just goes to show you two great countries working together,

Starting point is 00:32:54 collaborating together, and building relationships. So it's, again, I'm cautiously optimistic. I think if that's the case, it's the right thing for both the US and Canada. Well, and considering Canada was not on that list, we understand the existing regime is in place, the tariffs that are in place with the exemption of goods that are USMCA compliant. Does that mean, sir, at least in your mind, that it wouldn't be appropriate for Canada to retaliate for this at this time? That is correct. If that's the case, then I would highly recommend to the Prime Minister not to retaliate. And let's carry on a strong relationship.

Starting point is 00:33:39 Let's build the Amcan fortress, American-Canadian fortress, around both countries and be the wealthiest, most prosperous, safest two countries in the world. So he went, wait a minute, he went from, you know, shutting off electricity, this is no good, Trump is declaring war to let's build a fence around AMCAN, AMCAN, I never heard of that one. Amcan. He's folding here. Listen.

Starting point is 00:34:07 You suggested that Canada would bring down its tariffs if the United States did the same. Does this turn into a game of chicken? Do you believe that the White House would respond accordingly? Well, I hope so. You know, it's we're neighbors for the last 200 years. And when we show good faith or the US shows good faith, you have to follow. This is a partnership that's going to go on for hopefully several hundred more years and decades to come. And we have bigger concerns.

Starting point is 00:34:38 Somebody told God him aside. Oh, wait, just wait for it. Both Canada and the US, then each other. We have to keep an eye on other countries like China. Who makes the first move in a game like that? Well, we'll work collaboratively with the administration and with our prime minister. And he'll be speaking to President Trump, I'm sure over the next day or so. And we'll be working with Secretary Lutnick and to get a clear picture of what

Starting point is 00:35:05 this means for Canada. Now the main thing here, which is really the biggest industry that we've been talking about and most of this deals with, you played heal and die there a minute ago, is the auto industry. What about what it means for the auto sector in particular? Because of course we learned last week that the president would announce what he made final today, which is that 25% tariffs on auto imports will be going into place. Obviously, parts are going to be included in that eventually, sir. So what impact do you expect that alone will have, even if tariffs on or reciprocal tariffs

Starting point is 00:35:38 were not applied to Canada today? Well, I just hope there's no tariffs on auto because parts go back and forth across the border seven, eight times before they get assembled either in Ontario or one of the states, be it Michigan or other US states. It's a system that works and has worked since 1965. I've always said you can't unscramble an egg that's been around since 1965. You have to make the omelet larger. And we're just so much stronger together.

Starting point is 00:36:07 We buy as many vehicles as we sell down there. And the ones that we ship to the US, 50% of that automobile is US parts. So I think the system is working. It's working well for both countries. And it's a great system, especially Canada is buying 400% more vehicles off the US than Mexico does, 200% more than any other country in the world. We have an incredible relationship with the two great countries that are so integrated on many different sectors, but even the people are integrated, you know, millions and millions of Canadians and Americans travel back and forth across the border. They have family members on both sides of the border. And we just appreciate and Canadians love Americans.

Starting point is 00:36:54 I love Americans. I love the US. I've had 20 years of my life there. And we have tremendous amount of respect and friendships with our American counterparts. So I heard all that and then this is the last short clip. Definitely, definitely, definitely someone showed a picture and said, hey, Ford. What's that in your mouth? Well, so how, I guess in the end, do you feel, Mr. Ford, about what we heard today from the

Starting point is 00:37:20 White House? You could frame this as could have been worse. You could also feel betrayed by some of the comments that President Trump delivered. How would you describe? Well, I never take anything personal from President Trump or any anyone else. I understand he's a businessman and that's the way he conducts his business. And fair enough, he has a job to do. We have a job to do. And I think any negotiation, we meet in the middle and make sure that we grow two great

Starting point is 00:37:53 countries and make them the strongest in the world that no one can touch us. We'll ship down all the critical minerals. We'll ship down all the oils that you need and electricity, anything that you need. We have more natural resources than anyone in the entire world. And again, there's no one I'd want to ship it down to more than our great friends and allies. Wow. That was amazing.

Starting point is 00:38:21 That was amazing. So okay, so that worked. Let's listen to the rest of the world. Europe woke up to chaos this morning as Trump announced sweeping tariffs on his largest trading partners. Good morning. For Ursula von der Leyen, it is a major blow to the world economy. The global economy will massively suffer.

Starting point is 00:38:40 Uncertainty will spiral and trigger the rise of further protectionism. The costs of doing business with the United States will drastically increase. And what is more, there seems to be no order in the disorder. Among Trump's announcements, a 20% tariff on all goods imported from the European Union. I strongly believe that tariffs benefit no one. They're bad for the world economy. They hurt people. They hurt businesses.

Starting point is 00:39:08 The shock waves of Trump's aggressivity ripple through global… Aggressivity is aggressivity. This is a new term. Aggressively I think is what she tried to say. Bad for the world economy. They hurt people. They hurt businesses. The shock waves of Trump's aggressivity ripple...

Starting point is 00:39:25 No, she says, agressivity. Yeah, but I think she meant agress... Well, she meant agressivity, I guess. Aggressiveness is the word she really meant to say. Do they have no line producers there? Aggressivity. Aggressivity. Businesses.

Starting point is 00:39:41 The shockwaves of Trump's aggressivityled through global economies. China's finance ministry spokesperson spoke of his outrage saying it was not in line with trade rules and called it unilateral bullying. Whilst Mexico and Canada might have been exempt from this round of Trump's trade war, the countries are still reeling from the steel and aluminium tariffs imposed

Starting point is 00:40:00 in March. Another 25 percent tariffs on cars kicked in on Thursday. The series of measures will directly affect millions of Canadians. We are going to fight these tariffs with countermeasures. We are going to protect our workers and we are going to build the strongest economy. As the world prepares their response, many are bracing for the devastating impact that this trade war will have on consumers worldwide. It's a war.

Starting point is 00:40:26 It's a World War III and a very different noise there from Mark Carney versus Tom Ford. I found that to be rather surprising. There's no unity there. But we need to check a few more people including our... Too many photos from Epstein Island. Including our buddy from Australia. It's a watershed moment for global trade. US President Donald Trump announced universal 10% tariffs on all imports into the US.

Starting point is 00:40:53 For some countries, this could be as high as 50%. As the world begins to wake up to the news of these staggering tariffs, Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese said it was totally unwarranted. The administration's tariffs have no basis in logic and they go against the basis of our two nations partnership. This is not the act of a friend. Today's decision will add to uncertainty in the global economy. Come on man, I spent time on that. Good work. I'm glad you pre-announced it. Our two nations partnership, this is not the act of a friend. Today's decision will add to uncertainty in the global economy. On the other side of the Atlantic, the EU is one of the US's closest allies and partners.

Starting point is 00:41:37 The bloc was hit with a 20% tariff on all imports. Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Maloney was the first EU leader to respond to the news. In a statement on Facebook she said, The introduction of tariffs towards the European Union by the USA is a measure that I consider wrong and that does not suit any party. We will do everything we can to work a deal with the United States, aiming to prevent a trade war that would inevitably weaken the West in favor of other global actors. For many economists and political pundits, these sweeping tariffs will have a negative impact.

Starting point is 00:42:08 The stock market was already rattled after Trump's announcement. Others say they threatened to push much of the world into an economic recession. If the EU and other countries retaliate, the loss to the global economy will be 1.4 trillion, that is trillion with a T. This, by the way, is some professor who looks like Jeff Jarvis. Dollars, this is trillion with a T. This, by the way, some professor who looks like Jeff Jarvis.

Starting point is 00:42:26 Dollars. This is one of the most, in addition to being economically illiterate speeches, it is accompanied by the most economically damaging actions that have been taken since the last round of high tariffs, which was in the 1930s, which helped lead to the Great Depression. But Trump called it Liberation Day, promising these measures will pay off for the U.S. You know, I have to play this guy. This is another economist. This guy was in the, mainly because they keep bringing up Smoot Hawley and I think Horowitz brought it up to me too,

Starting point is 00:42:59 but there's one aspect of it. Who? Smoot Hawley? Who? Smoot Hawley was the extra tariffs they added right after the stock market collapsed in 2020 In 1929. Oh, okay. Yes. Okay. That's it. So they were they were tariffing at the time and Then the stock market collapsed in around 1930 31 period

Starting point is 00:43:24 They introduced the Smooth Holly which-Hawley, which added more tariffs on top of the tariffs you already had. And it collapsed. They think it may have contributed to the continued collapse of the economy in the 30s. Well, the way I keep hearing it is, when we put tariffs on in 1929, it caused the Great Depression. That's what I keep hearing.

Starting point is 00:43:44 Yeah, and this clip clarifies that. No, that the smooth haul, they came in after the crash. Okay. But they still can say, cause it was before 1933, which was the bottom of the crash, they can still say caused the, you know, caused this and that. All right.

Starting point is 00:44:00 But the funny thing was the one little element that I didn't realize until I heard this guy talk, this is a guy named Joe Lavagna. It's under the Joe's clip we're talking about. This guy was a council economic advisors guy, a really smart guy, typical of the other side of the argument guy that nobody else seems to be wanting to put on except Charles Payne did on his show on Fox Business. Now the thing that he noted and it was kind of stepped on by Payne in this because Payne

Starting point is 00:44:32 likes to chat but is that Smoot Hawley when it was additional tariffs caused deflation, not inflation. How interesting. And during the Great Depression, it was a deflationary period. It didn't cause inflation, it caused just the opposite. So the argument about this causing inflation is nonsense. And this guy makes the point of the reason why.

Starting point is 00:44:57 And I'll just summarize in advance. People are always all, they're all big shots about, you know, Mises and they're all big shots about you know Mises and they're all well you know there's all these all these theories about supply-side economics and Milton Friedman and all the rest of it and Friedman himself has talked about this to an extreme inflation is always caused by the money supply period thank you we're how much of this does he think will be absorbed in margins of corporations adorbs on a retail wholesale level as opposed to just directly passed on to

Starting point is 00:45:31 the consumer it a lot will be absorbed in the margin which is probably for some companies bad for their stock right back in so smaller subset of course back in eighteen nineteen but uh... most of it was absorbed in the margin. None of it was paid by the U.S. buyer, although that could change in the next go-around. But, you know, Charles, I'm looking at this chart. The one – I'd add another row because I see CPI increases and this concept that these tariffs are inflationary. That's a

Starting point is 00:45:59 misnomer. Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon, or monetary and credit phenomenon. It's a price-level adjustment. Ultimately, that'll be offset elsewhere if inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon or monetary and credit phenomenon it's a price level adjustment ultimately that'll be offset elsewhere if the fed doesn't increase the money supply and this notion somehow that we're going to have high inflation because of terrorist is not accurate i mean and to your point i mean the smooth holly the nineteen thirties we have seen the greatest deflationary period in history

Starting point is 00:46:23 not a solution deflationary in history. I was arguing with someone on another show recently about that. If you look back in the 20s, the U.S. was like China is today. We were a massive exporter of goods and we had big trade surpluses. So when the Fed let a lot of banks fail and the money supply collapsed back in the late 20s. We were a big exporter of goods. So when Smoot Hawley went in, we actually hurt ourselves.

Starting point is 00:46:49 It's the exact opposite today. Yeah, the exact opposite. Well, I mean, what you're seeing is the refi mission is on track. The 10 year is almost at 4%. The dollar has weakened, which is what you want for exports. And I see here on CNBC, President Trump says tariff rollout going very well. It's going very well. Markets will boom. There was another little tidbit in there that I thought was interesting, which I think accounts for the market, the stock market collapsing.

Starting point is 00:47:22 Because the money is leaving America. This is why people like Horowitz are pissed. No, no, no. The reason it was collapsing, if you listen to it, within that clip he said that most of the, with tariffs, most of it is taken up by, most of it's made up for by the companies themselves and their shrinking margins. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:47:44 Oh, yes. which hurts their stock. Apple, for example, has these tremendous margins, and so they could actually keep the prices the same, but they'd have to cut their margin to an extreme, which would hurt the stock price. Your PDE ratio goes down. So the market right now is not collapsing because money's leaving the country But it's because they're they're adjusting for the future. Mmm, because the markets are saying well this is not going to be good for the so we have to you know, our Stocks are gonna be worth that much more because we're gonna make as much the profits not gonna be what it was

Starting point is 00:48:19 So so what the naysayers would say is, and I'm obviously not the expert here, you are much more versed in this, the naysayers will say, well, they're all just going to jack the prices up. Yeah, that's what they keep saying. But it doesn't seem likely. Certainly companies like Apple can take a little bit of a hit. They can take a huge hit and the prices don't need to get jacked up and people will stop buying and if you don't buy, you're not going to sell anything obviously. Well, it's too high, I'm not

Starting point is 00:48:51 going to pay for that. I'll wait. I mean, just because something's on the market and it doesn't mean you have to buy it if it goes up in price. Right. Right. So, I have a couple clips here from Scott Besant, again from Bloomberg, and everybody was doing the rounds. Everybody was doing the rounds. So I'll skip the intro and go straight to the negotiations question. We're going to have the baseline tariffs come into effect first, then the reciprocal tariffs, a little bit more of a different rate for each individual trading partner. Are you preparing to negotiate with some of these trading partners before that tariff

Starting point is 00:49:33 rate comes into effect on April 9th? Well, I think there have been a lot of discussions, but I think we're just going to have to wait and see what would happen. What I would say, Annemarie, is I would advise none of the countries to panic. I wouldn't try to retaliate because as long as you don't retaliate, this is the high end of the number. And I think the market could have certainty that this is the number barring retaliation. So we've got a ceiling and then we can see if there's a different floor. I also think doing this half the rate is really genius because it's much easier to ratchet

Starting point is 00:50:11 it up to parody, you know, and Trump made this whole this thing about we're nice people, we're nice people, so we're not going to hit you that hard. We're only going to hit you with half. I mean, this is, as Besson will tell you here, this is the art of the deal. So you sound like you're ready for negotiation with a number of these partners has the European Union has China has India have these countries reached out? Well, they've all reached out, but it's going to be up to President Trump to see what he

Starting point is 00:50:38 wants to do. I think the mindset might be to let things settle for a while. Their tariffs or non-tariff barriers have been on a long time, so we'll see where it goes from here. When it comes to China, they have a much higher rate on this list. On top of that, there's still that 20% fentanyl tariff rate. Is all of this coming together to be more than a 50% tariff rate for Beijing? Well, yes, I think it is, And I think it's a combination of things. And again, I think China said today that solving the fentanyl crisis depends on taking off

Starting point is 00:51:14 the fentanyl tariffs. And I'm pretty sure that's not the way the sequencing is going to work. They're exporting the precursor chemicals. And every day, every week, every month Americans are dying and it's going to have to stop. So then he throws in, because of course the market is something Bloomberg wants to talk about, he throws in a nice little term here that made me smile.

Starting point is 00:51:36 Okay, but since the peaks in February, stocks are down 8%. I think the NASDAQ from its high most So far, though, these kind of market downdraft, so far this year, is not concerning you. business, I was very concerned about I'm trying to be secretary of market commentator, what I would point out is that Nasdaq peaked on deep-seed day. So that's a magazine, and I'm trying to not a market commentator. What I would point out is that especially the NASDAQ peaked on deep seek day.

Starting point is 00:52:09 So that's a mag seven problem, not a MAGA problem. Ooh. Peaked on deep seek MAGA seven problem, not a MAGA problem. Oh yes, bye bye AI. Now the other side of this is critical for it all to work. And the president made that clear in his Rose Garden, Hold Up the Sign speech. The tax cuts are necessary to keep real wages up. And that's the big one here.

Starting point is 00:52:37 Okay, so let's talk about what else you've been spending a lot of your time doing. You have been up on Capitol Hill constantly. You are really working on trying to make sure that this administration can extend the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act. On top of that, more tax cuts. Right now, how are the conversations going in Congress? Well, I actually think the most under-reported story in Washington, not by Bloomberg of course, is the incredible unanimity, unity amongst... He's having problems talking today. He's got bird feathers in his throat. Yeah, but he... what's he giving the business to Bloomberg for?

Starting point is 00:53:16 Because everyone's talking about this, not Bloomberg. Yeah, well, I think he's just being show busy. You know, it's what you do. It's like, oh, you know, Joe, only people on your show talk the truth. You're an enemy. Unity amongst Republicans. And I think it's President Trump's leadership. But Mike Johnson, with a very narrow margin, issued the reconciliation instructions and then he also passed a clean continuing resolution on the Senate side. They are very attentive and I think they may have something done by this Saturday.

Starting point is 00:53:56 Whoa! Did you imagine that? By this Saturday? No way. Well, that's what he said. That's what he said. Final clip here is About the consumers while all this is happening consumer sentiment has definitely taken a bit of a dive Expectations for inflation have gone up banks like Goldman are cutting their GDP Forecast saying potentially the Fed is going to have to cut rates not the good kind of cuts the kind of cuts because they're nervous about growth How concerned are you that the timing of cuts because they're nervous about growth.

Starting point is 00:54:25 How concerned are you that the timing of all this is going to be incredibly challenging? A lot of checking. I was waiting for you. Where were you? She said not the good kind of cuts. No. What is she talking about? She's trying to slip in, I think, tax cuts for the rich, which is the narrative that

Starting point is 00:54:44 has just been drummed into everybody's head. But no, it's not tax. In fact, the rich are disadvantaged by this whole deal. If you've got a lot of stocks and bonds, it's at a disadvantage to the rich. Not only that, but if you remember the first go-around back in Trump's first term, we had our, our, our gay accountant guy who is our, who handles the big, big money in the Silicon Valley. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:55:12 Anonymous gay accountants. We're way beneath his, his. Way beneath, yes. We're, we're, we're, but he, he deigns to give us information every so often was telling us how that, that all his rich clients, which is, he's loaded with them were bitching and moaning about where's my tax cut for the rich. Cause it was, it did not exist.

Starting point is 00:55:33 In fact they were getting screwed because they weren't letting him take off enough interest from their taxes. They've changed that rule and that was, didn't that went kind of undiscussed by the mainstream media So this bull crap this and the fact that they keep harping the Democrats keep harping on this tax cuts for the rich Nonsense, it's an embarrassment It really is because it's just I mean it still works within the media circles because you hear her kind of falling for it But the tax cuts will be no tax on social security.

Starting point is 00:56:06 So social security checks should in actuality go up. No tax on chips. No, the social security checks will not go up. But they're taxed, aren't they? No, they're not taxed. You have to put them on. You get your social security, and then at the end of the year, you get a 1099, you better put

Starting point is 00:56:26 it on your taxes. I'm sorry. Yes. Okay. So the checks won't go up, but effectively the money goes up. No taxes on tips. Interest deduction on your car loan if it's an American made car and salt becomes deductible again or unlimited.

Starting point is 00:56:47 Dude, that would make a difference and that would make a difference to billionaires too, obviously. Let's finish this off. The cut rates, not the good kind of cuts, the kind of cuts because they're nervous about growth. How concerned are you that the timing of all this is going to be incredibly challenging because of how the American consumer, how corporate America is feeling at this moment? Well, it tells me a couple of things.

Starting point is 00:57:15 One, we've got to get the tax bill done quickly, so because that's a confidence builder. And two, we're seeing sentiment surveys from the American people, but we haven't actually seen them take action. If the households actually thought that there were going to be, if their real inflation expectations had increased, what would they be doing? They'd be hoarding goods, and they would be demanding wage increases, and neither one of those has happened yet. So at the moment, you're not concerned about some of the soft data we're seeing?

Starting point is 00:57:45 No, I see nothing. And one of the great things, many great things about being a treasury is we have lots of business people come through, and everything we're seeing in the economy is still very solid. And executives haven't voiced any of these concerns on to you? No. have invoiced any of these concerns onto you? No, there's some idiosyncratic things, but in terms of the expectations actually turning into hard data, none of them have seen it yet. So nobody really knows anything.

Starting point is 00:58:16 Everyone's just saying, oh, if all these things come together, it'll work. I have a sneaky suspicion it's really going to work. And it may start working sooner than people think. But I don't think anybody really knows. It's certainly unprecedented. He certainly is shaking things up. Well, this seems overdue. Yes. Because we actually don't make anything except jets and bombs.

Starting point is 00:58:45 Well, and you know, what I love is guys like our buddy there in North Carolina after the storm. You know, he started Pearl Boot Company. Nice looking boots, good price, American made, American leather. You know, I think he's trying to resurrect the shoe company. You know, Vietnam. Say goodbye to your cheap team of crap. That's over. And that's okay.

Starting point is 00:59:12 I'm okay if we can't buy cheap crap anymore. It's crap. There's a lot of high quality products coming out of Asia. That's the real problem. You can call it crap. Like what? Like what do you buy? Nikon cameras are made in China.

Starting point is 00:59:25 This is one of the finest cameras you can buy. Do you really need it? Well, I already have one. Exactly. So, next? But, but it's not cheap crap. Okay. But there's a lot of, I agree, there's a lot of cheap crap that comes out.

Starting point is 00:59:39 It looks like it's, oh, this should be fine. And then, you know, a couple of years later, it breaks. How about unnecessary crap? We don't need all the crap, whether, this should be fine. And then, you know, a couple of years later, it breaks. How about unnecessary crap? We don't need all the crap, whether it's cheap or not. No, the reason we have all this crap is because it's cheap. Because it's cheap. Yes, exactly. The Chinese have done, they have this, part of their philosophy,

Starting point is 00:59:57 and which has always been kind of interesting to me, is that they just go into a market and make a product cheap to the point where nobody can compete because they got subsidies and they got all kinds of cheating ways. They steal intellectual property, which is Trump complained about, and they make a cheap product. And then they take over the market completely. Nobody wants to even bother competing with them. And they never go into monopoly. They never go into the monopolistic mentality. They just keep it cheap.

Starting point is 01:00:27 Yeah. It's like total alien to all Western civilization. That's not what you do. What you're supposed to do is you wipe out a market, take it, you now you own the market, and now you gouge the customer. That's what we do. That's the- Merckah, phone number one. Western philosophies, British is actually where it really comes from. And that's what you do because that's why you go through the trouble of taking the market over.

Starting point is 01:00:56 You go through a lot of effort to get the market to yourself. And then once you get it to yourself, you gouge. The Chinese never go to the gouging phase. I'll tell you, you know, I'm not in the market for a car. I think I probably bought my last car. You know, it can last another 20 years easy. No, then I'll just need a golf cart. Well, one of those, one of those Walmart things.

Starting point is 01:01:20 But if I were in the market for new car, I'd be looking at an American car. Why not? But if I were in the market for a new car, I'd be looking at an American car. Why not? And this is in the past, Presidents, you know, Bush, one and two and Clinton, I was like, buy America, we're going to buy America, buy America Act, buy Obama, buy America. They were full of crap. And then there's Biden with his good union jobs. He didn't do anything for the unions. They're all on Trump's side now. Now, of course they are. But, you know, so what Trump did is he actually did it

Starting point is 01:01:48 instead of just making a marketing campaign. Oh, we're going to buy American. Oh, we're going to buy it. Put a flag on it. It'll sell. No, I'm looking forward to our ingenuity. I'm looking forward to a lot of young people with high school diplomas skipping the indoctrination factory and going into robotics, stuff like this. Welding. Oh man, welding. Welding. You can make 90 bucks an hour welding.

Starting point is 01:02:19 Unbelievable. And okay, so I don't know I I feel good about it. I do and And of course we will we will never ever impose a tax on our friends For no agenda show donations no tariffs It's reciprocal. We give you value you accept that without a tariff. We receive value from you no tariff Because we're good people, we're nice people. Now, the EU immediately tries to, we'll get him with this one, check it out. The European Union is sticking to its plans to

Starting point is 01:02:57 enforce new laws on social media platforms like X, TikTok and Facebook, despite pressure from the US. In an interview with Euronews, European Commission Executive Vice President Hanna Varkunin, who oversees security and technology, explains that these laws are vital to protecting democracy from disinformation and market abuses. Our rules are very fair because they are same rules for everybody who is operating and doing business in the European Union. So we have same rules for the European companies, for American companies, for the Chinese companies. The Digital Services Act, which addresses disinformation,

Starting point is 01:03:32 and the Digital Markets Act, aimed at ensuring a fair digital economy, have come under significant scrutiny from Donald Trump's prominent advisor, Elon Musk. You will not resile from implementing the DSA and DMA where and when needed, Elon Musk. players that they are not the dominant players. They are not misusing their market power. That also new innovations can enter to the markets in the European Union. And DSA is very much for making sure that illegal content and products are taking down and we have safe and democratic fair environment. Now it's not up to me, of course, but it wouldn't be just fabulous if X and Facebook or X and Meta and even Google just said you know what no more services for you go make

Starting point is 01:04:34 your own social network go do your own search that would be so much I can you imagine what a disarray they would be in if that happened well you think they think they, you know, if they had the capabilities to do anything, they would have done it by now. Oh, the Europeans? Yeah. No, they're kind of pre-announcing they're going to do. They're going to do, they're going to start finding. They're not going to do anything. They can't do anything. They haven't got what it takes.

Starting point is 01:05:00 All they can do is finds, finds, finds, fines. Oh, you overstep the bounds. I'm just saying it would be fun to cut them off. Just cut them off. Like done. Yeah, we're not that way. President Curry would. Shut them off. And turns out, turns out we are pretty right about the true

Starting point is 01:05:20 value of TikTok because it's really just a shop with a social network around it. Because who's the new bidder? Amazon has submitted a bid to buy TikTok. Media reports say the offer to buy the social media app was made to the White House. It comes just days before Saturday's deadline for TikTok's owner bite dance to divest itself of the app's US operations. CNBC reports that mobile technology company App11 has also made a bid for TikTok. If there's no deal to buy TikTok before the April 5th deadline,

Starting point is 01:05:51 the app again faces a potential shutdown of its U.S. operations. Which would severely hurt the show? Obviously. Well, it would hurt. I don't think that you actually believe that. Believe what? That it would hurt the show. I would. Well, I have a clip today that, that begs to differ. Oh, you have a TikTok. I do. I do. I have a TikTok.

Starting point is 01:06:18 First of all, I have the TikTok. When you just played, I have a kind of another summary just so we we can do the TikTok story conundrum. I can read. Story story conundrum. You should work for Euronews. Top officials in the Trump administration are set to meet today to discuss a TikTok deal. As NPR's Bobby Allen explains, Trump is set Saturday as a sell-by date for the video app

Starting point is 01:06:44 under federal ban law. It's not noticeable by using the app, but TikTok is technically operating in violation of a law Congress passed requiring the service to sever ties with China. The Trump administration has promised not to enforce the law while President Trump holds something of a public auction for the hit app. Now, President Trump is set to meet with Vice President JD Vance and other advisors to weigh TikTok's options. Software company Oracle, owned by Trump supporter and billionaire Larry Ellison, appears to be leading the pack of bidders.

Starting point is 01:07:10 The New York Times reported Amazon has sent in a last-minute TikTok offer. Yet one key hurdle remains, winning the approval of Chinese regulators, who may use TikTok as leverage in tariff negotiations. Amazon is the only logical choice, but Amazon will ruin it. Of course they will ruin it. But I think Oracle would too. Yeah, well, yeah, because with, with Oracle, they have no business model because Oracle doesn't have a shop to plug into it.

Starting point is 01:07:39 And, and the, the bizarre thing is, is when, uh, Pod Show pivoted, we got it, we'll make a pivot everybody to Mevio and video that we pitched so hard to tell Amazon you want to have shows built around your shopping. I'll give Bloom that. Still a good idea. It is a great idea. But if Amazon buys TikTok, will we ever get a clip like this? You actually don't see homosexual behavior like out in nature. Like you don't see other

Starting point is 01:08:10 mammals behaving homosexually, only humans because they came up with it in their brains. Really? You've never met a gay dog? You think every dog you've ever met is straight? You've never met a dog that even gave you a vibe? Baby dogs are almost as gay as dolphins. You need to get it together, my guy. You need to get it together. I'd like that. You need to get it together, my guy. Dogs are gay. As gay as dolphins. As gay as dolphins.

Starting point is 01:08:40 Have you ever seen, do you think you've ever had a gay dog? It's a serious question. I mean, a gay dog? I don't think so. It's a serious question. I mean, it's possible. I don't know. I've had several dogs in my life. I cannot remember one that I got a vibe from. Vibe? Yeah, you know, gay vibe.

Starting point is 01:08:55 Gay vibe. Much like you're funny. Gay vibe from my dog. How come you're not picking up that quarter that's there? Well, I have some since you got the TikTok going. All right. Don't do more. Save some for the end. I'll do two and save two for the end.

Starting point is 01:09:23 Do two now. It's called programming. Oh, okay. I can do that. Yeah. Well, don't... Let's start with the old one, which has been sitting around, which is the arrogant Fourth of July girl. Okay. If you voted for this, do not celebrate the Fourth of July. Do not celebrate the Fourth of

Starting point is 01:09:38 July. I know the left has complicated feelings about the Fourth of July and to be so patriotic and celebrate a country that was built on the backs of colonialism and to be so patriotic and celebrate a country that was built in the backs of colonialism and g-side and bigotry but I dare I say this Fourth of July I say we reclaim patriotism in the name of improving our country and making it great for the first time hopefully if we're ever able to without completely dismantling the country and building a new one, which I really hope is the way to do it. But if you voted for it, if you voted for this, you do not love this country.

Starting point is 01:10:15 You do not love the people in it. You do not deserve to rep, like to proudly celebrate the country because you're destroying it. It's also if you're apathetic and have said anything about anything that's going on also you shouldn't celebrate the 4th of July none of you guys should celebrate the 4th of July you should feel embarrassed you should know that we're all looking at you a little funny like I know you guys don't know how to read but read the room I'll miss them I'll miss them when Amazon buys it. This is all going away. It's all going away

Starting point is 01:10:47 Well, yeah, maybe get him in now Here let's go to the redheaded liberal This should come as Absolutely, no surprise But Donald Trump has the lowest Approval rating of all time with one exception. Do you know what that exception is? Do you know who else had the lowest approval rating that he is coming in second to? Donald Trump.

Starting point is 01:11:16 It's him. His first term. I knew it. He was at the lowest approval rating at this point. So he's number one in that regard. at this point. So he's number one in that regard. And he's bringing the rest of the country down. Even people who voted for him, who are not diehard magas, can acknowledge that he is not doing right by them. There are so many people in the federal government who are fed up from what they've seen in less than two months so far. We are not even two months in to his current presidency, and he is screwing things up every single day. And then there's Elon Musk. Well, this brings me to the Slate Money podcast.

Starting point is 01:12:01 This is a, you know, financial podcast. We talk about things that are- On Slate? Who owns Slate? Is Slate its own thing or is that- Washington Post. Wapo, wapo, wapo. So they have a podcast.

Starting point is 01:12:16 But Slate's always been a left-wing operation. So I'm going to listen to what amounts to modern neo-ommunists about money and investment? I don't think so. I would say trans Maoists more because the question here is all of these unhappy liberals, let's call them delusional Dems for purpose of example, where are they going to move to when they leave our sinking ship, this horrible atrocity, this fascistic state, this trash heap that Donald Trump has turned just into a rat-infested piece of crap? Where are they going to move to and why?

Starting point is 01:13:00 So wait, I just want to follow up because now I'm looking at the New York Times article and it's characteristics of places Democrats were more likely to move to. 31% of Democrats were more likely to move to a place within five miles of a Trader Joe's, only 10% of Republicans. It gets much better. Republicans had no list of a store on their characteristics. Theirs were property tax below 0.5%. Within five miles of a forest, rural or small town, they're twice as likely to move to a

Starting point is 01:13:34 rural or small town than Democrats. Well, another way to look at it is the way the administration is treating marginalized communities is a big factor too. If you have a kid- I think this may be a marginalized community speaking trans or you're an immigrant. You may not feel safe in a neighborhood. That's super red.

Starting point is 01:13:52 So that was definitely like one of the guys I talked to who does foreign residency and foreign passports. He was like, I had nine families with trans kids. What? Contacted him within a week after Trump signed one of his anti-trans executive orders. Interesting. A pro-woman bill is, according to Slate, an anti-trans executive order. That's a good way of putting it. They were just like, we have a kid who has undergoing medical care for which they need…

Starting point is 01:14:25 Medical care, John. Medical care. You mean, puberty blockers and stuff like that. Medical care. Drugs. And they need to take the drugs continuously. And we're very worried that those drugs are not going to be available to us in the United States. We want to make sure that we're living somewhere where those drugs are available. Relatedly, I talked to a guy last night who has HIV and has been treated for it for the last 15 years. And he said, I'm not sure I'm going to be able to get the drugs that I need this time

Starting point is 01:14:53 next year. And he said, if I don't have them, I have two years to live. So it's really existential for a lot of people. Why would it be difficult to get HIV drugs? Because the Trump administration is cutting funding and programming. Bullcrap! And they're not just available on health insurance, where it's too expensive? No, I mean they're cutting treatment.

Starting point is 01:15:10 You know, a lot of the clinics that provide HIV drugs, and particularly at low cost to people, are having their funding cut off by the administration. And it seems to be a political issue. Complete bullcrap! There's no clinics getting their funding cut off. seems to be a political issue. Complete bullcrap. There's no clinics getting their funding cut off. It's humbling. They just make this stuff up as they go along because they think that's probably what they would be doing if they were on the projection of some sort.

Starting point is 01:15:39 That's an interesting thought. That's an interesting thought. Yeah. Speaking of drugs, I got some interesting notes from producers. And one of our producers, he said, you know, I was driving along and I'm listening to the report about the Pope and, you know, that he almost died and they had to decide whether to just let him die. And he says that this was a flub that the news model said that they were considering taking him off as adrenochrome,

Starting point is 01:16:14 but then she corrected herself. The critical moment came on February 28th when the Pope had a breathing crisis. The choice was whether to stop treatment and let him pass or try more aggressive drugs. Adrenochrome. Wow, that's an obscure catch, but you might be right. I like it.

Starting point is 01:16:35 Or try more aggressive drugs. Aggressive drugs? Adrenochrome, I'm just saying. But the best one. Wow, that's the funniest catch of the day. Catch of the day! Here's another one. This is from Salah. Salah says, I'm a truck driver, just now listening to Sunday Show. In the clip where RFK Jr. is talking about downsizing,

Starting point is 01:17:02 he talks about merging it into a new unit with the acronym, acronym AHA. Growing up with my father who was Arabic, I never learned the language, but you definitely pick up assorted words and definitely the swear words. AHA, exactly how RFK pronounce it, is slang in my dad's mostly Egyptian dialect for shit or damn. Listen to how he says it so we can replicate it. in my dad's mostly Egyptian dialect for shit or damn. Listen to how he says it so we can replicate it. Kennedy also plans to consolidate agencies within HHS. We're gonna eliminate an entire alphabet soup of departments and agencies while preserving

Starting point is 01:17:38 their core functions by merging them into a new organization called the Administration for a Healthy America or AHA. The FDA will lose 3500 employees. AHA! AHA! AHA! So it's AHA! Don't say that in Egypt, people. AHA!

Starting point is 01:17:58 Language is a funny thing. AHA! BHA! AHA! I have some more. Do you want anything you want to jump in on here? Because I have a couple more series of some kind of interesting stuff. I have. I got a couple of series. I got the well I can put this like Dead B should be the second half of show. Why don't you go ahead? I've got plenty of stuff. Well, we have a new show and it's called the Mark and Marco show. And if this keeps on going,

Starting point is 01:18:31 we need a jingle. It's the Mark and Marco show. It's the Mark and Marco. Yes, Mark Rutte. Mark Rutte has a show with Marco. You know, your Secretary of State Marco. Hello Marco. Marco I want to commend you for your tireless diplomacy over the last couple of months. You travel the whole world. How many points do you have on your on your frequent flyer miles? I also want to thank you for what you did before as a senator supporting NATO and we will have a lot to discuss over the coming two days. Of course Ukraine, as I said before, President Trump, the team, you broke the deadlock. You started a process of negotiations. Very good, you started it because I know I'm here to get you more money Marco. that overall NATO allies have provided in the first three months over 20 billion dollars in support to Ukraine

Starting point is 01:19:48 to make sure they can stay in the fight as long as it continues. This is money that we get here in America, this 20 billion, for more bullets. We will also discuss the other threats over the next two days. Of course Russia, which is our long-term threat. Long-term threat. Peace or no peace. Long-term threat. War is our long term threat. Long term threat. Peace or no peace. Long term threat. War is always on the horizon. But also the increasing problems we have with China, of course North Korea, Iran and all

Starting point is 01:20:13 of these four getting more and more connected and these two theaters getting more and more connected and working intertwined. It's great. But wait, there's more. There will be more to spend. We know that the United States is a staunch ally in NATO. I had a very good meeting with the president, with President Trump. But that commitment comes with an expectation.

Starting point is 01:20:34 And the expectation is that the European allies and Canada need to spend more. More! Since Trump 45, the aggregate... Can you stop for a second? Yeah. Since Trump 45, the aggregate... Can you stop for a second? Yeah. For Mark and Marco, does this guy, does Ruta ever stop talking?

Starting point is 01:20:50 Yeah, he does in a minute. So Rubio is just standing there, and in certain ways he's looking down at his shoes. He's like, huh, some little mark on the floor here. He's looking around, he's getting really bored, and Ruta is just ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba. But it's, but he's, he's getting really bored and Ruth is just blah blah blah blah blah. But he's doing his job and Marco knows it. From Canada and Europe has been 700 billion up to now. But when you look at the hundreds of billions of euros slash dollars now rolling in, rolling, rolling, rolling, the money is rolling in Marco. This is probably the biggest surge in defense spending we have seen in Canada and Europe

Starting point is 01:21:29 since the cold war, since the Berlin wall came down. So that is good news, but still we need to do more. Good news, but still we need to do more. And now, this is so good. And so Marco comes in. This guy's a clown. Yes. Well, we knew that in. This guy's a clown. Yes. Well, we knew that.

Starting point is 01:21:47 We knew he was a clown. We've always, Dutch people know he's a clown and the Dutch people can't believe it. Like this guy is top dog now on the international stage. So Mark has done his job and now Marco must go for the 5%. We have to go up to 5%, but Marco is a bit flustered. The United States is in NATO. We are inactive. As we speak right now, the United States is as active in NATO as it has ever been.

Starting point is 01:22:11 And some of this hysteria and hyperbole that I see in the global media and some domestic media in the United States about NATO is unwarranted. The United States President Pumps made clear. This is his new name, President Pump. That's his new name, President Pump. That's his new name. Play that again. The United States media in the United States about NATO is unwarranted. The United States President, Pumps made clear. President Pump.

Starting point is 01:22:37 I think he said Trump. No, he did not. No, I listened to it loud and soft. Yeah, it's like one of the... The mishearing I do is very similar. Okay. Trolls, are you hearing pump? I'm hearing pump.

Starting point is 01:22:50 The United States about NATO is unwarranted. The United States President, pumps make clear. He says pump. Trust me, he says pump. No, he says I could hear the tea. No, everyone's hearing pump. Well, yeah, because you primed him.

Starting point is 01:23:05 Well, does it matter then? The President, Trump's made clear. He supports NATO. We're going to remain in NATO. He's made clear. But we want NATO to be stronger. We want NATO to be more viable. And the only way NATO can get stronger and more viable is if our partners, the nation

Starting point is 01:23:16 states that comprise this important alliance, have more capability. More capability. This is a collection, not just of partners and allies, but of advanced economies, of rich countries who have the capability to do more. We understand that's a tradeoff. We have to do it every single year in our country. I assure you that we also have domestic needs. We do.

Starting point is 01:23:39 But we've prioritized defense because of the role we've played in the world, and we want our partners to do the same. And I understand there's domestic politics after decades of building up vast social safety nets that maybe don't want to take away from that and invest more in national security. But the events of the last few years,

Starting point is 01:23:56 a full-scale ground war in the heart of Europe is a real threat. Ooh, he's using full-scale, you hear that? Full-scale invasion, full-scale ground war, he's using the terms. Maybe don't want to take away from that and invest more in national security. But the events of the last few years are a full scale ground war in the heart of Europe is a reminder that hard power is still necessary as a deterrent.

Starting point is 01:24:18 And so we do want to leave here with an understanding that we are on a pathway, a realistic pathway to every single one of the members committee and fulfilling a promise to reach up to 5% of spending. That includes the United States will have to increase its percentage because if the threats truly are as dire as I believe they are, and the members of this Alliance believe they are, then that threat has to be confronted by a full and real commitment to have the capability to confront these things. And then they wrap it up with the true next theater, which is the Arctic. I would not be surprised if the Arctic would be raised today by allies. And this is an issue and Arctic of course is not only Denmark, the king of

Starting point is 01:25:02 Denmark, which of course has Greenland as part of its kingdom. Not for long. This is also Iceland, it's Canada, it's the US, it's Norway, Finland, Sweden. So we have seven allies which are present in the Arctic. We know that the Chinese are opening sea lanes. We know that the Russians are rearming there. We know and as I said yesterday, it seems to be a detail but it's an important detail it's not trivial and that is the issue of

Starting point is 01:25:29 icebreakers so more and more the seven Arctic countries are working together to make sure we keep that part of the world safe and and NATO is more and more involved yeah Greenland's really important it's. What do you need icebreakers for if global warming is going to melt all that ice? Shhh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh. Don't ruin, don't break the spell. Of course we don't need that. Global warming, take care of it all. There's no ice.

Starting point is 01:26:03 Let's go back to domestic. I got two clips. Okay. This is the FDA being gutted. Yeah. This is the NPR again. Is it our buddy? No, I don't have any of our buddies clips today.

Starting point is 01:26:17 I'm sorry. Do you have any? He's on vacation or something. I don't know what happened. Do you have any BBC stuff? And again, no, I decided to give it a break. So there's no BBC, so you can't play your jingles. I have a whole production, nevermind.

Starting point is 01:26:33 The Food and Drug Administration. Wait, I guarantee you next show, BBC is going to be featured. And Scott, I need BBC and Scott. If I can find Scott, I haven't seen him for a while. The Food and Drug Administration, the agency that regulates a lot of the things Americans eat and the medicines we take, is now part of a huge reorganization. The Trump administration announced Thursday that it will cut 20,000 jobs from the Department of Health and Human Services. 3500 of those

Starting point is 01:27:02 are from the FDA. NPR consumer health correspondent, Yuki Noguchi, joins us now to talk about this. Good morning, Yuki. Good morning. Do you have any specifics about these jobs? Well, they've given some general indications that they want to trim an HR and IT, for example. But the FDA didn't respond to my inquiries,

Starting point is 01:27:22 and so we really don't know the specifics. But Peter Marks, who spearheaded the development of the COVID-19 vaccine at the FDA, said he was pushed out last week. And Robert Califf, who's actually a two-time FDA commissioner, most recently under Biden, sounded alarms at a press conference with Washington Democratic Senator Patty Murray, noting that these cuts are on top of other big departures. A cut of an additional 3,500 people on top of the arbitrary cuts that have already occurred. Wait a minute, who's this guy? I missed his name.

Starting point is 01:27:56 He may be someone we need to pay attention to. No. Most recently under Biden, a sounded alarms at a press conference with Washington Democratic Senator Patty Murray, noting that these cuts are on top of other big departures. A cut of an additional 3,500 people on top of the arbitrary cuts that have already occurred in addition to all the people who are leaving is likely to leave the FDA unable to do its critical work.

Starting point is 01:28:24 That is such an old-school Washington DC cadence kind of a who's who's Some guy was like a bureaucrat that was booted out like Buckley It gets better in the second clip. And Ador, the critical work he refers to is safety reviews for things like new drugs, food safety, tobacco, vaccines and- Tobacco safety? Yeah. New drugs, food safety, tobacco, vaccines and devices like heart pacemakers.

Starting point is 01:29:02 A lot of everyday- devices like heart pacemakers. The way she says this is so like, well, you're going to die because you don't have a pacemaker and your drugs won't be safe. MPRs. Yeah, hello. Vaccines and devices like heart pacemakers. A lot of everyday consumer items are regulated by the FDA. Yuki, what is the White House saying about how these cuts and this realignment fits with its priorities?

Starting point is 01:29:29 Yeah, it's led by Robert F. Kennedy Jr., the new Health and Human Services Secretary, and he says the country's health agencies are too bloated and ineffective at fighting in particular chronic disease. He and others dislike the country's past approach to public health generally. And Peter Marx wrote a bitter resignation letter suggesting Kennedy's cutting back on vaccine efforts because that work doesn't align with Kennedy's personal beliefs. On the other hand, Kennedy has led this campaign to make America healthy again, and that phrase has now got

Starting point is 01:30:05 its own acronym, MAH-HA, and has a broad following. But Caleb says these cuts are not consistent with that idea. And it's really striking to me how the rhetoric of, for example, better nutrition, enhanced food safety, innovation in medical products runs contrary to what's being done with the workforce a lot of people afraid of heights not me I'm afraid of widths you know he even quipped that this seems like a good way to make America not healthy again brother what a waste of airtime So I slipped a Stephen Wright in there. You didn't notice?

Starting point is 01:30:46 I did. I laughed at it. I laughed at it. I was listening to this guy. This is the reason for the clip. Yeah, it was high brow. High brow humor. No, I was listening to the clip because this guy's voice, he was either sounding like Steve

Starting point is 01:30:59 Landesberg, who used to be on the TV show. The thing is, no one knows our boomer humor. Boomer humor! There you go. So I found the Steven Wright clip that fit right in. Yeah, but I mean people didn't even get my Elmer Fudd. We are, boomer humor is failing, is falling flat. We have enough of a, well that audience, which is small, I say 10% of our audience gets some of this material.

Starting point is 01:31:31 I'm going to go for five on the Steve Reichliff. Those guys should donate more. Yes, yes, this is true. This is true. Boomer humor to the rescue. Oh man. Oh man. Oh man. Yeah, Barney Miller was to show with Steve Landon's Landisburg. Yeah, that's. And he has the exact same voice. That's stretching it though.

Starting point is 01:31:54 Well, on the HHS, FDA, LLMNOP, Major Garrett, CBR, CIA Broadcasting Systems, brought on Deborah Berks. Shibir, CIA Broadcasting Systems, brought on Deborah Birx. Why do they bring these old hacks on that are notorious? They're already proven to be phonies and they've lied to the public and admitted it in public that they're liars and they bring them back. Or do they have like one Rolodex that's just being passed around and it's like they can't keep coming with anybody new. I'm not quite sure, but she, I mean, since she left after COVID, she's been the CEO of a company, she's been on the board of a couple other companies. I think in one of these clips, she has to be a spook.

Starting point is 01:32:42 Well, she was, she was a, she was a ranking officer in the Navy so I don't know she was naval intelligence but you know now she's claiming for the past few years she's been working in rural Texas all right so yes there is something very odd about her but she's actually not very negative about RFK Jr. Welcome back Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F Kennedy Jr. is planning to lay off at least two thirds of the staff of the National Institute of Occupational Safety and Health. It is the federal agency within HHS that attempts to prevent workplace related injuries and

Starting point is 01:33:22 illnesses. Those firings are part of the 10,000 jobs that are expected to be cut across the agency. I want to bring in former White House Coronavirus Response Coordinator Dr. Deborah Brooks to evaluate all this. Dr. Brooks, I'm so glad you're with us. You have vast experience in the federal government and the federal bureaucracy. You know, you say that, but this is CBS, so that can't be a coincidence. You say that, but this is CBS, so that can't be a coincidence. How do you read these reductions within HHS? Some people are expressing tremendous alarm. Where do you fall on that spectrum?

Starting point is 01:33:53 Well, I was in DOD, HHS state, and the White House, 41 years in federal service. And let me just say my federal service colleagues, I worked with a lot of dedicated, hardworking people. But what has happened over the years that you're not hearing about, you're hearing about fraud, waste, and abuse, but there's something else that has been going on. And that's a lot of duplication among the HHS agencies. And so when COVID hit, you had things that were,

Starting point is 01:34:21 ASPR was doing that also CDC was doing, and it caused a lot of confusion. I think what they're trying to do, and which I hope they are trying to do, is bring back fundamentals, stop the duplication, get people remission focused, and hold people accountable to improvements in Americans' health. Because we're spending more, we have more personnel, about 17% increase in just the last four years, yet the health of America has not improved. And

Starting point is 01:34:50 so I think we have to get back to really understanding what is the job of HHS, and that's the Health and Human Services of the American people, and I hope that's what is going to come back in this focus. I was surprised when I heard that. I'm like, okay, so she's kind of saying it's good. ASPR, by the way, is the Administration for Strategic Preparedness and Response, which I can't even remember hearing that acronym during COVID. Do you? No. So here's the...

Starting point is 01:35:17 Well, she comes on with this very kind of semi-positive approach right after Musk visited the CIA. No. There you go. So here's the follow-up question. If these cuts, these cuts, are they good? As you read the headlines, as you talk to your colleagues still in, do you think that the process that is going on

Starting point is 01:35:38 is moving in that direction or is kind of pell-mell and sort of, well, let's just cut as big a number as we can think of. Pell-Mel? Pell-Mel? Pell-Mel? Isn't it Paul-Mall? No, no, Pell-Mel, it means chaotic. But it's a whole boomer phrase. Well, right. 5% of the listeners know what it means. Pell-Mel, I'm thinking Paul-Mall, the Paul-Mall Reds, man, those were hardcore. I haven't heard the. Pell-mell, I'm thinking Paul Malle, the Paul Malle Reds, man, those were hardcore. I haven't heard the term Pell-mell for decades. I'm sorry? But I haven't heard the term Pell-mell for decades.

Starting point is 01:36:16 Well. Decades. They know their audience, don't they? Is it moving in that direction or is kind of Pell-Mell and sort of, well, let's just cut as big a number as we can think of. Maybe it's a, they're trying to bring back all these cool, cool phrases, you know, just to sound intellectual. Is it kind of Pell-Mell?

Starting point is 01:36:34 I'm going to start using it. Pell-Mell. Don't you start using it. That sounds dumb. This Trump administration is completely Pell-Mell. You know, I see the work at HHS being pretty deliberative. The fact that they put Asper back within the CDC, so that CDC, who is also working on disease control, is-

Starting point is 01:36:55 So she- something is up with Asper. She- you know, why is she so talking about Asper this? And no one- no one talks about Asper, but she- Well, that must be the spooked part of the agency. It's got to be. It's doing the same thing as Asper so that we're ready for the next pandemic. Because when you have two agencies thinking they're

Starting point is 01:37:13 both in charge, it caused a lot of confusion around that table of trying to get the best job of COVID for the American people. And so what I'm hoping comes out of this is a much more horizontal structure where the NIH, I just say being at CDC, there are 150 different databases, none of which talk to each other. She's totally talking must stuff here. Oh, the databases don't talk to each other. Okay. So there's an injury database, there's a flu database.

Starting point is 01:37:45 Americans are whole people. So, I think figuring out how do we get more horizontal data so we can find where things are going well and learn from them and the things that aren't going well in specific counties, particularly rural counties who are well behind in life expectancy compared to urban counties. Are we doing something to address that? And then holding the federal government to outcomes. The job of the federal government is not to analyze data.

Starting point is 01:38:13 The job of the federal government is to use data to find solutions to actually improve outcomes and impacts. Hold on a second. How does that even make any sense? You don't analyze it, you use it. It's the same thing. How do you use it without analyzing it? Don't analyze it, just use it.

Starting point is 01:38:31 ASPR is the secretary's principal advisor on matters related to bioterrorism and other public health emergencies. They're responsible for coordinating interagency activities between HHS. Oh, they're the ones who made the Lyme's diseaseHS, other federal departments, agencies, Fort Detrick, Plum Island. In July 2019, the Blue Ribbon Study Panel on Biodefense announced a new idea to improve U.S. national security against bioterrorism, a quote, Manhattan project for bio-defense. What could possibly go wrong? Wow! And we did not hear of this.

Starting point is 01:39:16 At least I can't remember. Well, she's brought it to the fore for a reason. So now we've heard of it. So now it's in play. It's in play. It's in play for some reason. So now we've heard of it. So now it's in play. It's in play. It's in play. It's in play for some reason. And this was the point of her being on CBS Evening News. Let's see what she says in this last clip about the head of the FDA. Dr. Brooks, I want to ask you about something that going on at FDA because Peter Marks, who as you know, was the FDA's head of biologics resigned. And in his resignation letter, he

Starting point is 01:39:44 said biologics resigned. And in his resignation letter, he said- Biologics is vaccines. Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who leads the Department of Health and Human Services, is subservient. He seeks subservient confirmation of his misinformation and lies. That's a direct quote related to vaccines and their effectiveness. And the Wall Street Journal recently editorialized that Mr. Kennedy rightly criticized the Biden administration's COVID response for ignoring science. But he won't restore public confidence if he feeds skepticism

Starting point is 01:40:13 about vaccines that have saved countless lives. The Wall Street Journal editorial board writes, our worst fears about Mr. Kennedy are coming true. Do you share any of those anxieties? Well, what I've seen on the ground because I've been working the last four years in rural Texas is really him coming out and saying, I believe in the MMR vaccine.

Starting point is 01:40:34 It is effective. I want people to get it. He supported CDC to go in there and support increased access to vaccination. Federal dollars went to increasing vaccination in that area. So, you know, you have to look at people's actions and really try to understand what is being said and what is being actually done on the ground. And I think what is being done on the ground in West Texas is consistent with improving vaccination rates. Oh, boy, there's a lot to unpack in that commentary. One, the Wall Street Journal is anti-Kennedy.

Starting point is 01:41:13 Why is that? And that's a Rupert Murdoch operation, or Murdoch operation. The second thing is she's in rural Texas and then coincidentally, a measles outbreak breaks out where she's in the vicinity from the sounds of it. She's definitely in rural Texas and she's aware of this situation in the few people with the measles there and the one phony one that supposedly died from measles.

Starting point is 01:41:42 Now, this is very suspect. She's defending Kennedy. So Kennedy's obviously going to do nothing. So Dawn O'Connell is the, I guess she was the assistant secretary for Asper no Looks like she's the German operation called Asperger Let's see office of public she looks like a real spook by the way is Don O'Connell Hmm Well, there's definitely something up here. Let's see, asper.hhs.

Starting point is 01:42:28 Yeah, it was given, it was rolled out for a reason. Programmed. To let us know what's going on. Give us a backgrounder and I don't know what we're supposed to, what we can do with it. Let's see who the boss is. John Knox. Wait, see who the boss is. John Knox. Wait, he's the principal deputy. I guess they don't have, don't they have a, they only have deputies. No, well, I guess so.

Starting point is 01:42:56 John Knox. Uh, where's he from? Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department. I don't know, but something's in play there with Asper. I agree with you. And Berks all of a sudden, no, I've been in rural Texas all these years. No, that's- Four years.

Starting point is 01:43:15 It makes no sense. I'm so confused. No, it makes no sense. You're right. I'm very confused. That's another aspect of this. I'm very confused about her. I'm not sure what she's doing. It doesn't feel right. Yeah, it doesn't feel right. I'm very confused. That's another aspect of this. I'm very confused about her. I'm not sure what she's doing

Starting point is 01:43:25 It doesn't feel right. Yeah, it doesn't feel right Doing something. Yeah Well, let's see We have this we have a interesting donation segment Why did you see the length of some of those notes? Oh yeah, especially the guy who insists on the note. Well, there's at least five of them that need to be truncated. I mean, just needs to be truncated. Well, there's one guy who insists that the note be read. What, the one that's five pages long? No, it's not that long.

Starting point is 01:44:09 long. How about Musk and Doge goes to the CIA? Okay, let's do that. Then we can deal with the notes as good. Millionaire Elon Musk has shared his Doge team's cost-cutting plans with officials at the CIA. The agency has already taken steps to fire employees who worked on diversity issues. A federal judge has ordered the CIA to reconsider those job cuts, citing constitutional, statutory, and regulatory concerns. Well, how does that fit in? I don't know. And I don't know what the judges got to do with CIA hiring practices, but okay, these

Starting point is 01:44:40 judges are... Something's got to happen with these judges. Well, isn't President Trump firing the judges? No, he can't fire these judges. These are judges that are not fireable. Oh, unfireable judges. He has to either impeach them, which is not going to happen because you can't get the votes in the Senate.

Starting point is 01:44:58 No. Or the Supreme Court is going to have to tell him, hey, you can't be doing what you're doing because this is not your district guise. It's no good. You're you can't be doing what you're doing because this is not, you know, your district guide. You're not supposed to be doing national stuff. And the Supreme Court's still on the draw on this. Why aren't they already involved? I don't know.

Starting point is 01:45:16 I don't know. No one seems to be paying attention to any of that. The news is not the news. Uh-oh, I discovered something. The news is not the news. Uh oh, I discovered something. The news is not the news. I thought this was rather interesting though for those who are so concerned about Elon Musk the Nazi and Donald Trump the Nazi and the Republicans the Nazi and the Texans the Nazis.

Starting point is 01:45:41 We're all Nazis. How about some actual Nazi info? Argentina's president Javier Malay says that he is declassifying government documents on how Nazi war criminals escaped Europe and resettled in South America following World War II. It's thought as many as 5,000 Nazis evaded arrest in Argentina. The most prominent was Adolf Eichmann, seen here during his trial in Israel in 1961. Eichmann was one of the architects of the Holocaust.

Starting point is 01:46:10 Israeli agents captured him and took him to Jerusalem, where he was tried and sentenced to death. Well, I'm joined now by the man known as the last Nazi hunter. Dr. Efrem Zurov has played a key role in helping to bring Nazi and fascist war criminals to trial. Dr. Zirov, it's good to have you back on the program. What are you expecting to find in these files that are being made public in Argentina? I assume that we'll be able to get many, many details regarding the identity of the Nazis who fled to Argentina and the identity of the people who made it possible for them and who helped them.

Starting point is 01:46:54 I'm going to tell you, this could be bigger than the Epstein files. When we really find out who the Nazis were that were escaped and who helped them, it's going to open up an interesting can of worms. Yeah, especially if Hitler's on the list. Speaking of Israel, the Prime Minister is breaking the law. In a defiant gesture towards the International Criminal Court, Benjamin Netanyahu is visiting Hungary. It will be his first trip to the European Union since an arrest warrant was issued against him. The Israeli Prime Minister is wanted for alleged war crimes and crimes against humanity.

Starting point is 01:47:30 In the Gaza Strip, Prime Minister Viktor Orban extended the invitation in November last year, quickly flouting the ICC ruling. We have no choice but to defy this decision and I will invite the Israeli Prime Minister Mr Netanyahu to visit Hungary where I will assure him if he comes that the International Criminal Court's ruling will have no effect in Hungary and that we will not follow its terms. As a signatory of the ICC, Hungary is formally obliged to take Netanyahu into custody. But for the next four days, Orban is expected to welcome him into

Starting point is 01:48:05 Budapest with open arms. And it is not the only time they have put their friendship first. In 2017, when Orban was accused of anti-Semitism towards the American Jewish billionaire George Soros, the Israeli PM came to his rescue. In July last year, Budapest vetoed an EU statement that condemned the Knesset's rejection of a Palestinian state and the Hungarian leader has unconditionally supported Israel's offensive in Gaza which has claimed more than 50,000 lives according to Gaza authority. So what is he doing in Hungary? That's what I'd like to know. What is he doing there?

Starting point is 01:48:43 There's got to be something going on behind the scenes that we don't know about that's going to happen there. And why there? Well, maybe he wants to ship some Palestinians over there. Israel is slowly tightening its grip on the Gaza Strip. Defense Minister Israel Katz said the army's operation was expanding to seize large areas that would be incorporated into what he called Israeli security zones, without saying how much territory would be seized. But he also said that Palestinians would have to be evacuated.

Starting point is 01:49:15 Kaths also called on the enclaves' residents to expel Hamas and return hostages, roughly a week after this rare footage showed Palestinians protesting against the militant group. But representatives of the families of hostages accused the Israeli government of sacrificing the hostages for the sake of territorial gains. Katz's announcement comes a week after he warned that the Israeli military would operate with full force in the territory. The ceasefire, which came to an end on March 18th, is now a distant memory for Palestinians living in Gaza. At daybreak, Gaza health officials said at least 15 people, including children, were killed in airstrikes on homes in Haun Unis and in the Nusayrat refugee camp.

Starting point is 01:49:55 The UN has also warned that stockpiles of flour are running out in Gaza after Israel closed crossings to humanitarian aid. The UN has urged Israel to reopen its crossings to humanitarian aid to avert a food crisis. So maybe he's checking out a new place in Hungary where he's going to flee to? What is going on? People hate Israel. Well, they're definitely not doing... I don't know what the issue is there, but that reminds me of another European story that we're gonna mention.

Starting point is 01:50:33 You're gonna move it right along. Unless you want to keep talking about Israel. Well, I was just, I was thinking of some witty banter. Like, what is going on? I can't think of anything witty. I'm not witty today but let's go with the real strange story is the arrest of Marine Le Pen. Oh man, even her, even other party leaders are saying this was bull crap. Yeah I got the clip here, it's Eva, EVA. Okay so the lawfare being used against right-wing politicians in Europe is being taken to a whole new level. This is your buddy, this is your buddy Eva, whose last name I can never pronounce, a Dutch

Starting point is 01:51:15 girl who's always... Oh, Fladigabuke, Fladigabruke. Flada, Flada, whatever her name is. Fladigabruke, yeah. Okay, so the lawfare... She's very pretty and she's very erudite. She kind of dropped off the radar. She got married. I noticed that, but she's back with a vengeance with this Marine Le Pen story.

Starting point is 01:51:35 If I could give her a little bit of advice, I'd say cut your hair a little bit shorter. It detracts from her obvious deep knowledge of affairs. Okay, so the law fair... Well, she could put a ponytail up and that would be fine. Yes. I'm just thinking from a television standpoint, you know, this just... Yeah, she is distractingly pretty and the hair doesn't help. Exactly.

Starting point is 01:51:58 Okay, so the law fair being used against right-wing politicians in Europe is being taken to a whole new level. Marine Le Pen, the leader of Rassem Blanc National, the populist right-wing politicians in Europe is being taken to a whole new level. Marine Le Pen, the leader of Rassemblement National, the populist right-wing party in France, has just been sentenced to four years in jail, of which two suspended, and has been barred from partaking in French politics for the next five years. That means that she's been barred from running against Macron for the position of the president of France. She's been convicted for allegedly embezzling European funds, misusing European funds for her national fraction of the

Starting point is 01:52:34 party instead of the European fraction of the party, which I dare to bet money on the fact that if any judicial system in any European country would launch an investigation into left-wing parties to see if they were doing that That let's say 80% of them would be found guilty of the same thing because I used to work in a European Parliament and trust me This is something that I think happens a lot more than they want you to believe and of course We will never know that because they don't launch investigations into left-wing parties because the whole aim of this is to crush the right-wing in Europe because we're growing too fast. And so the system, the cabal needs to come down

Starting point is 01:53:14 on us to another way. And what do they do? Lawfare. They're banning us. They're banning our parties. They're banning politicians from running, they're convicting us of hate speech and hate crimes. That's how they do it, that's the new strategy. And you know, think about it for a second, embezzlement of European funds, Ursula von der Leyen, the president of the European Commission is under investigation for corruption because she closed a 35 billion euro deal with the CEO of Pfizer via text message. And we still don't have those text messages, but she is the president of the European Commission and Marine Le Pen is not allowed to run as the president of France.

Starting point is 01:53:55 If that is not to do with politics, I don't know what is. Well, who's this we she's talking about? Is she a political member of a party? Is she this far right? She's well speaking of that. Here's a this is I think this is a France 24. They give a little more detail on this story. Arriving at the National Rally headquarters, Jordan Bardella was tight lipped. Marine Le Pen's protege took to X to post that French democracy was executed on Monday with the unjust verdict. As president of the party, Vardel and Arloc set to become its de facto candidate for the 2027 election after a court barred Le Pen from running for office for five years with immediate effect for embezzlement. The National Rally and right-wing allies have accused the court of overreach against a candidate whom Paul Scho is among the frontrunners.

Starting point is 01:54:46 The court is stating its political will, not its judicial or legal will, but its political will. It's the first time in 40 or 50 years that I've seen this written down in black and white, and that's what's absolutely unbelievable." But political rivals such as communist Fabia Roussel posted that justice was justice and must be the same for everyone, reminding that Le Pen herself regularly called for a firmer justice system. Jean-Luc Mélenchon and his far-left France Unbarred party though seemed less comfortable

Starting point is 01:55:20 with the verdict, emphasizing that they would rather fight the national rally at the ballot box than in court. Outside of France, Le Pen's far-right allies rallied around her, including Hungary's Viktor Orbán, who declared I am Marine in support, and the Netherlands Geert Verders, who said he still believed in her becoming president. The Kremlin spokesperson, Dmitry Peskov, meanwhile accused more and more European capitals of violating democratic norms. The pen has a long history of political and financial support from Moscow. Of course, you have to throw that in there. She's been financed by Putin. Ever since the earthquake in Myanmar, formerly known as Burma, from Burma to Bangkok, which

Starting point is 01:56:08 would have been a much better headline, the white Christian nationalist eschatological podcasts have gotten all heated up. And there is a growing concern or a growing suspicion, I say that the Antichrist might be a Emmanuel Macron. Married to a dude. Well, it doesn't help his case. Let's put it that way. Married to a dude.

Starting point is 01:56:37 The Antichrist is Macron. I like it. That's hilarious bull crap. By the way, and somebody did point out, one of our producers pointed out, there is a giant I like it. I like it. That's hilarious bull crap. By the way, and somebody did point out, one of our producers pointed out, there is a giant fault that runs right through Burma. There is, yes.

Starting point is 01:56:53 I saw that. Yeah, he sent us a fault map, a link to a fault maps, and yeah. Those are all the big faults. He doesn't even, and that's just the giant faults. The little faults are all over the place and that wasn't on that map. Let's face it, the biggest fault is us little faults are all over the place. That wasn't on that. Let's face it.

Starting point is 01:57:06 The biggest fault is us, brother. We're the fault. We are the fault. Hey, with that, I want to thank you for your courage. Say in the morning to you, the man who put the sea in Amcan. Say hello to my friend on the other end, the one, the only Mr. John C. Nemora! John C. Nemora! John C. Nemora! John C. Nemora! John C. Nemora!

Starting point is 01:57:30 John C. Nemora! John C. Nemora! John C. Nemora! John C. Nemora! John C. Nemora! John C. Nemora! John C. Nemora! John C. Nemora! pretty good. That's it. Well, it's about the average, just a tad above the average.

Starting point is 01:57:47 And these trolls are listening at trollroom.io, the modern podcast apps at podcastapps.com. Speaking of which, our conversation about the Podfather Awards has got legs. People are doing AI, Scaramanga is doing AI videos of us hosting the Podfather Awards. We've gotten a lot of, not the greatest suggestion, but people are coming in with suggestions. I've had people already saying, I want tickets, take my money. There's something here, John. I'm on it. All right, was a great idea everybody. When you hear those words, you know nothing's gonna happen.

Starting point is 01:58:31 Exit strategy is far away. That's not true. Great, I've been wanting to do these for 10 years, so I'm right on track. The timing is good. The timing is perfect. You're about, yes, ever since you were 63, it's unbelievable. I can't believe we're just about.

Starting point is 01:58:47 Yeah, I do have a birthday coming up, and there's also a big meetup in Albany, not Albany, but Oakland at the pizza place for my birthday. No, that's nice. To invite everybody there. Oh, that's cool. It should be on the list for today's meetup. I think it is, I think it is.

Starting point is 01:59:04 Of course we- Violetas, violetas. We run no agenda, value for value. No tariffs, we give you the value, we give it, just send it out to you, you can do whatever you want with it, you can copy the value, you can throw it around, you can make it your own and pretend that you made up

Starting point is 01:59:19 all these great things and this great information that we gave you, just so you can be really smart at the water cooler at work or in the, in the, in the, in the health club, wherever you hang out with people. Uh, and when you send value back to us, we do not charge you any tariffs. Not at all. We just do one for one value for value, time, talent, or treasure. And we, you okay? Sound like you fell over. No, I just rolled my chair over, it would appear to be kind of a lump in the rug.

Starting point is 01:59:50 Oh. And it made a thunking sound, which then transferred onto the... Is Theo looking for his hamster? Psst. Wow, that took a little too long. A little too long. It immediately came to mind. We love what our artists do.

Starting point is 02:00:08 The artists, I have to say, are getting better. I see the artists also using AI more as a tool now instead of just throwing stuff in there and hoping something great comes out, which usually doesn't. We have more and more artists who are understanding how to use it, which appears to still be the only thing AI is really good at is generating stuff, generating images, generating video, generating spam messages. I was talking to my buddy, Dave Jones, and he works in a 100-firm CPA firm. And he does the administration. He says, this is the worst year ever with phishing attacks from spam and there's,

Starting point is 02:00:49 and AI is really generating a lot of this and it's at scale. And that's interesting. It makes sense. Email is the worst. I was like, yeah, that's interesting. So AI can help make email worse, but can't seem to fix it. or at least no one has tried that. Well that would be a nice product. That's a product I would be interested in. So we want to thank our artists for episode 1751. We titled that Talking Toilet and we like this one.

Starting point is 02:01:20 We had some ideas for improvement but it was the piece by GoFox and it was the, is this the, we call them the Babushka dolls, what do you call them? Yeah, Babushka, nesting dolls is technically what they are. So you had a Twitter doll. Nesting Russian dolls. Nesting Russian dolls, yes. Do you have any? I have a whole collection of them personally.

Starting point is 02:01:40 I remember having them when I was a kid. I know we had, I bet my sister still has them. I bought them in Russia. When I was in Russia, I bought them. And how many were there? Because I think we had five that fit in. I have a Niner. Wow. A Niner. It's huge. A Niner. That's what she said. Dvorak's got a Niner. It's huge. It's beautiful. It was a good piece. It was the Twitter to X to Grok.

Starting point is 02:02:06 Cute little faces. We thought it would have been even better if there was a little Elon that could fit inside the Grok, if I recall our conversation. Yes, and in all these nesting dolls, there's always one little solid piece, this little dinky thing that always gets lost. Give one of these things to a kid.

Starting point is 02:02:22 Somehow that little one is gone. Or the dog's chewing on it. I mean, it's something. The little one. And the little one, a little bitty musk would have been perfect. And also the balance of the piece, it could have been shifted to the left. To the left a little bit. Yeah, just a tad. Even I agree. It's not quite composed perfectly.

Starting point is 02:02:42 And the Currian Dvorak color of the letters was not great. Could have been more contrasty or had an outline. Black outline helps. But that's just, I mean, we're just giving you a little minor points. It was good. There were other things we looked at. You like the take our money, the Canadian,

Starting point is 02:03:00 that mad Canadian with cash in his hand. Yeah, I did like the mad Canadian holding a bunch of cash. You use the angry baby stomping around. I like the angry baby too, yeah. You like angry babies. You like the angry baby. That was capitalist agenda.

Starting point is 02:03:16 And Triple J did a deal no deal with the Taliban, but we didn't think anyone would really get that one. No one's going to get it. No one's going to get that. Triple G, Alphabet Soup, Aha! kind of done. I think that was it. Yeah, pretty much. Really, the things that we thought were good enough.

Starting point is 02:03:43 These are all beautiful. We appreciate it. And I think every single one of them gets used in the chapters on the modern podcast app, give it a try. podcastapps.com, try out pod verse, try out podcast guru, try out fountain. I don't think you'll be disappointed. They're really good. And they use the podcast index, which I might point out, according to a recent survey, is the number one index for all podcasts

Starting point is 02:04:07 above Spotify, above Apple, above YouTube. Number one, foam finger number one. You know why? Because we don't take stuff out. It's uncancellable when you're on the podcast index. This is where you say, hey, that's great. Congratulations. That's fabulous. So sincere. Let's thank our supporters who we like to call

Starting point is 02:04:35 our- You have a no agenda plug on that page because that's a lot of people looking at it. I don't. I don't. No, no, I don't. Wouldn't hurt. I don't. I don't. No, no, I don't. It wouldn't hurt. I guess. I'm sure it wouldn't hurt. I want to thank the people who sent us treasure in the form of value in the form of treasure.

Starting point is 02:04:55 We thank every single person who sends us money, $50 or above. And in this case, in this particular segment, we thank people who have sent us $200 or more and that makes you not only an associate executive producer, which is a credit, is real Hollywood credit, can use it anywhere credits are accepted, including imdb.com. We will also read your note or most of it, depending on how long it is. If you come in with $300 or above, well, bam, you're an executive producer and we will read your note. And it's always interesting to see're an executive producer and we will read your note. And it's always interesting to see that the higher

Starting point is 02:05:27 the amount, the shorter the note. It's some kind of weird voodoo. It always works that way. The lower the number, the longer the note. What do you think that is? I see what you're talking about. Yeah, I know you, now you see it. So we'll have to truncate some of it.

Starting point is 02:05:45 We're gonna start off with Brent Walker in Springfield Oregon who comes in. Oh he asked for something I didn't see. He asked for a deducing right off the back. You've been deduced. And then he says I'd like a fractal jingle fractal jingle man. That's I have the fractal jingle here Then he also asked for an Obama you may die you might die. Where's my Obama you might die and I'd like to oh he's going in for a Commodore ship He'd like to be known as Commodore dubs and he says thank you for your courage He'd like to be known as Commodore Dubs. And he says thank you for your courage. It's a fractal jingle.

Starting point is 02:06:27 You might die. Have not heard the fractal jingle in many years. Yeah, I agree. That's a long time. Thanks, Brandt. Good one. JLGS LLC in Rockport, Texas. Sorry for being a douche for the longest time.

Starting point is 02:06:44 Please let me know, let me know, Adam, let Please let me know Adam what the name of the dentist you went to to get that surgery done on your teeth. My dad has the same problems for years here in Texas and has been to countless doctors with no cure. Also, to all the aviators that work on them, on the teeth, and drive them or own them. I don't think it's the teeth. That's what I said.

Starting point is 02:07:16 Look us up, we are in Aircraft Parts and Tooling Sales Company down in Rockport, Texas near Corpus Christi, plus parts, or I don'tious parts, P I U S. It's the name of my company. We have some, uh, Cirrus stuff. Cirrus, what is that? That's kind of airplane. I fly is the plastic airplane with the parachute. Cirrus. It's, it's, Oh, those things. Okay. Mostly King Air, a citation, Lear and challenger stuff. Nice.

Starting point is 02:07:46 The salty air is really good for these parts down here. So hurry up. He's being cynical. He's being very cynical. Salty air is bad. Mitch Ponsford is my periodontist name. P O N S F O R D.'s in burning Texas Mitch Ponsford tell him Adam sent you for 10% off your first extraction and thank you J L G S then we have Cervantes in Topsham Maine 38008

Starting point is 02:08:18 nice nice I see you there with your boob quick correction for John the correct phrase in retail is, the customer is always right in matters of taste. Yeah, I sent him, this is bull crap, okay? Wow. All you have to do is go to the Wiki page and they document the whole thing. It goes way back.

Starting point is 02:08:40 So Wiki is true. Somebody some years ago put this in matters of taste in at the last minute and it got around it got around uh virally as bull crap. Really? Because yeah people are sending me I've gotten a lot of is that. Go to the wiki page on the customer's always right it has a history. Okay I mean how how so we can't take wiki as any the customer's always right. It has a history. Okay. I mean, how, how, how, so we can't take wiki is any truth. Is that what you're saying? The wiki page documents this and then refers to Snopes who also

Starting point is 02:09:13 documents this as bullshit. I don't know how many times I have to say it. Hmm. Let me ask Grok. Cause Grok will probably get it right. Let me see. The customer's always right is actually a shortened version of a longer sentiment. The full idea behind it was more nuanced.

Starting point is 02:09:32 It was popularized in the early 20th century by retailers like Harry Gordon Selfridge, from Selfridges, John Wanamaker and Marshall Field, who used phrases like the customer's always right in matters of taste. No. I'm just of taste. No. I'm just tell... Okay, well that's... Well that's slop. Hey, now you're talking my language.

Starting point is 02:09:53 It's slop. He goes on to say, anyone who's worked with the public will understand that the customer can't always be right in all things because the customer are pricks. Anyways, this is now my fourth annual birthday donation. Happy birthday John, please add me, Cervantes, my daughter, Ayla, who's turning 18 both on the 5th and niece Leona, who's turning 7 on the 4th on the birthday list for this episode. They're on there.

Starting point is 02:10:19 COVID woke me up and your relentless deconstruction has been more a constant caffeine drip that wakes that keeps waking me up more and more and more And more and more just without the jitters now I need something that's the midpoint between Nazi propaganda and Zionist propaganda since you guys are just a couple of Zionist boomer shills Yeah, love you guys. May you never find an exit strategy sir Ventus from Topsin, Maine and he wants a Rogan donation Trump I'm gonna come and do the climate change. Rogan donation. I'm gonna come.

Starting point is 02:10:53 Due to climate change. Alright, there you go. Tracy Sullivan in Fowler, Indiana. Fowler comes in with 350 bucks and she has a note which I can click to I Have it open. I believe right here dear John and Adam. It's been a while since our last she has very pretty printing in a Cart is she almost like comic? Is the comic style it's been a while since yes, don't you think yeah, it's been a while since our last donation We finally got out of Illinois and moved to a much better place

Starting point is 02:11:29 Arrow pointing to Indiana with a little heart We plan on checking out the Indy meetups as soon as we can well, there's plenty of them and they're packed to the gills This donation also gets me to Dame Hood. Please dub me Dame Sally Bananas. Yay! Sally Bananas! Sally Bananas! I hope the happy puppy on the card gives you good donation karma, my loyally face. Thank you, and God bless Dame Sally Bananas. Tracy Sullivan, $350. Thank you and God bless Dame Sally Bananas Tracy Sullivan $350. Thank you Tracy. And we'll see you on the podium later.

Starting point is 02:12:07 Sir Amzie is a new Rockford, North Dakota, 333.33. And he says, oh, uh, please credit this donation to my dad Preston Meyer. Am I doing that right here? Yes. Preston Meyer. It's the very top of the note. It's probably not. Oh, I, yeah. I can't see it. Cause the note's so damn big that it's blocking. There it is. Okay. I probably can't see that on your cell on February 22nd. No, wait. Um, on February 22nd, I saw exactly 333 emails in my box.

Starting point is 02:12:39 Lo and behold the 333 email was a newsletter from no agenda, which usually end up in my spam folder I knew I had to donate. This is true. On 1750, Adam said that he isn't part of a religion and that organized religion is quote a problem. I was raised going to various Protestant churches. My mom is a pastor.

Starting point is 02:13:01 In 2018, I was confirmed a Lutheran. I have a good amount of experience with Protestantism. In my experience there was always something missing with Protestantism. Even when reading a verse or passage it seemed like Protestants would intentionally miss the main message of a passage to fit their beliefs, depending on the denomination of how liberal-conservative they were. There are multiple examples of Protestants not taking the words of Jesus literally or explaining them away to mean nothing.

Starting point is 02:13:26 I'm not sure what you're saying here yet, but let's read on. Two years ago, I met my now wife who led me to the Catholic Church. I was confirmed in December. I found my way to Catholicism through the 2000 year history of the church. The evidence of miracles and insights into my own life preached continues to strengthen my faith along with knowing that Jorge Mario Bergoglio, Francis, is not the Pope. He's an imposter and a liar. So, was he agreeing with me here? I'm not sure. Well, Void Zero is definitely on that bandwagon. Adam and John, Christians of no agenda,

Starting point is 02:13:59 I implore you to look deep into the history of the church. Mass of the Ages is a good docu-series for understanding the reasons that people leave the Catholic Church. I also recommend Michael Knowles. There are countless conversion stories on YouTube to listen to. Look up Ann Barnhart's YouTube channel and the Barnhart podcast to understand why Jorge Borogoglio is the anti-pope. God bless you both. Thank you for your courage. I'm praying for you. Oh, thank you Preston I was not quite sure where you went with the note, but I think I brought up antipope once on this show and got nothing but grief Yeah, wait, listen, this is donation note. It's not you or me brother. We're just saying it Sir Richard in Burbank, California comes in with the same amount three three three three three and he writes a short note

Starting point is 02:14:42 He's in Hiroshima actually Japan. He's not in Burbank, but that's where he's Is it Hiroshima or Hiroshima? I think both ways you I thought I've heard it's pronounced Hiroshima and Hiroshima. Okay And the Japanese probably That was shocked shocked he says to discover that not donated to Noah Jennifer almost two years Thanks you for crew. Thank you for creating this outstanding product Sir Richard of Burbank north of the five so he just came in with the three three three three three three three three three three three And a short note we appreciate that Marty is an Olten in looks like Sweden I mean Switzerland? CH? Switzerland?

Starting point is 02:15:26 Yes, Switzerland. Switzerland. And Marty said, Marty, I'm sorry, it should be Marty. Let's drop, hey, let's drop 333.33 from Marty in Olten, a beautiful town in the midst of the north of Switzerland. I appreciate the groundwork being laid in the psychological warfare arsenal from the in this moment Insecurity management to hyper fora and emotive conjugation. Please let's extend this list Bertrand Russell was quite the guy John direct questions about Minecraft to me Adam has my email address I annoyed him in recent months with telling him that I've heard John both John's Bohemian Grove story multiple times

Starting point is 02:16:05 on the show. Why? I don't understand. Why do people email me about stuff that you do? Because that's exactly the way the world is supposed to be. Adam at curry.com for all complaints. No, no, this is not good. This is not good.

Starting point is 02:16:26 This is not good. And he wants this. He's celebrating his celebrating 40th birthday. I know, but I'm looking for the chant, the donate no agenda. How does that go again? It's called donate, I think. Do you know how many? Do you know how many there are of donate?

Starting point is 02:16:47 It was donate. It was like a chant, wasn't it? Yeah, donate to no agenda. Da ba da ba da ba da ba. How does it end? Ba da ba da ba da ba. I don't remember. All I remember is it's hypnotic.

Starting point is 02:17:02 It's very hypnotic, but I... Oh no, I see you thinking donate, donate! No, there is a different one. There is a different one. Anyway, celebrating Florida revolutions around the sun on 4-8 Gregorian donation chant for jingles.

Starting point is 02:17:20 Maybe it's on the Gregorian chant? I guarantee that's not what it's called. No. Donate. Well, you're just gonna get a different Donate. I can't help you. I'll give you the Donate Johns. Sorry. You've got the Donate Donate. Yeah, that's Gregorian. No, that's not the one. Donate, donate, donate, donate, donate, donate, donate, donate, donate, donate, donate, donate,

Starting point is 02:17:47 donate, donate, donate, donate, donate, donate, donate, donate, donate, donate, donate, donate, donate, donate, donate, donate, donate, donate, donate, donate, donate, donate, donate, donate, donate, donate, donate, donate, donate, donate, donate, donate, donate, donate, donate, donate, donate, donate, donate, donate, donate, donate, donate, donate, donate, donate, donate, donate, There's a check 33333. There's no note, no nothing. So he gets a double up karma. You've got karma. Are you mad? Are you mad today? I'm angry.

Starting point is 02:18:13 Are you really? You seem a little bit on edge. No, it's just the EQ. Calipigus Colin. He's in Willow Spring, North Carolina, 331.25 and this donation is in honor of the birth of their newest human resource. Sweet baby girl Chloe Susanna, born on 331.25, hence the donation. Please add her to the birthday list and to all the other slaves of the nation who are

Starting point is 02:18:41 of childbearing age. We made another baby, now the ball is in your half court." See, there's someone who listens and knows how it works. That's for sure. No jingles, no karma. Thanks for what you do, says Calipagius Collin in Dub Spring, North Carolina. Thank you.

Starting point is 02:18:58 Is that a guy? Calipagius Collin? I would think so. I don't know why you would use that phrase as a descriptor. Sir Tim in Louisville, Texas, a 28743, 273 donation plus fees for the old man's birthday. Listen to these boomers and check your recurring donations. This is his note to the public out there there was listen to the boomers that's would include me and it would include Adam he says mine were

Starting point is 02:19:31 cut off by the way his recurring donation was cut off months ago and the guilt is eating me alive sir Tim of the of the Tarrant Swamplands Wow Swamplands. Wow. Where's Tarrant? I don't know. In Texas. I guess. I have no idea. Now here's the note you're talking about. Yeah, this is, so it is from Kieran Zwerner in Brevard, North Carolina. Roeducks, 222.22. Starts off by saying, I can hear you groaning about

Starting point is 02:20:06 the length of this note already, but a huge part of what makes this show so important is the feedback loop between you and the producers. It makes us all better. I hope you consider this a contribution of time, talent and treasure. It's theft of time. No, it's just a robbery. It's a robbery. I've been sitting on this note since this donation and note since February waiting to close on a house and then just being a tightwad douchebag so some of this refers to old but still highly relevant news and then he's talking about the Laugh Tell, he's talking about Michio Kaku Then he has something to say about our analysis on climate change clips, biodiversity.

Starting point is 02:20:48 Brother, there's no way we can read this. This is no way. It really is super, super. He even goes onto GLP-1. Okay, that's it. After all, I should add that I love the show. Since I think Producer Age is of interest to you, I'll also mention that we are both 28. I started listening in December of 2021 and promptly hit my wife in the mouth. We came for Adam, we stayed for John. It makes me feel special. My parents are a bit tougher than her, but I'm trying. Anyway, we rarely missed a show since, even while living off the grid in the cloud forest in Ecuador for six months. In 2023, we climbed mountains to get service and download the latest show." Okay, that is very cool. Keep up the good work. What did they do?

Starting point is 02:21:34 When they were living in Ecuador, they climbed up a mountain to get service to download the episode. Oh, wow. That's dedication right there. Yeah, I like it. So thank you very much. We appreciate it. That should have been at the top of that should have That's that's the lead. Yes, we call it and Karen and asked for they're eating the dogs followed by don't be so flippant man Now this is interesting. I went looking for don't be so flippant. Do you know that that never was a jingle? Don't be so flippant. I never heard it as a jingle

Starting point is 02:22:01 No, but I clipped it just for him because you know the long note And I knew we weren't gonna read it And he says PS it was great to hear Mimi on the old-fashioned on purpose podcast She's so cool. Did Mimi do the podcast? Yeah, she does a lot of podcasts for the promote the know the too many eggs book Which is also available for free at tooManyEggs.com They're eating the dogs! How dare you be so flippant, man! Ha ha ha ha!

Starting point is 02:22:29 Ahhh! I'm glad I got that one. I gotta play that one one more time. Anonymous! Hold on! How dare you be so flippant, man! I got a good karma. Go karma.

Starting point is 02:22:37 Oh. You've got... AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJ Anonymous comes in, I'm lucky here, 222.22 that came in as a check. So there's no jingles, no karma involved and no node. So give them a double up. Double up karma coming your way, Anonymous. You've got karma. And there's Sean Holman from Noblesville, Indiana to 1911. 1911 is the number because he says don't be a juice

Starting point is 02:23:06 bag. Visit StealthArms.net and design your own 1911 platypus today. It takes double stack Glock mags. Jesus is king. No, uh, should put a stealth. Okay stealth arms. Okay. Yes stealth arms dot natch. C. E. Martin in the Clarksville, Indiana 21060 Dear John and Adam, please accept my donation no agenda in the amount of 21060 cobbled together from 2025 book royalties and a little bit of my paltry VA disability pay around things out I'm making this donation as a way to say thank you for your content from 2012 to roughly 2019. I wrote and self-published on Amazon, Apple, Nook, Smashwords and several other platforms. 15 novels, it's a little

Starting point is 02:24:01 more productive than me, and a number of shorter works primarily in the men's adventure supernatural thriller genre. I took a break from writing in 2020 after a series of unfortunate incidents including a car wreck, falling down some stairs, treatment and surgery for my daughter's scoliosis, Foxvid 19, etc. Fovid. I'm sorry, mispronounced. F-A-U-X-Vid. Fovid instead of COVID. Get it? I've considered returning to the writing craft several times, but work and my deteriorating health always seems to block my path. Somehow, without any advertising or promotion, my books have started selling again in 2025 without any promotion or effort on my part. It's not a lot. So by the way, you used the word promotion.

Starting point is 02:24:52 Too many times. You made a mistake. It's not, I hate it when that happens. It's not a lot so far, but enough to make a contribution to the greatest podcasting universe. Thank you for your twice weekly shows, which drown out my military grade tinnitus. Oh, it's yes, I know. It's pronounced tinnitus, but I pronounce it tinnitus. That's wrong. And take, but it's still the same word. I, and take my mind off my chronic pain while I'm working on my day job and for more about my writing or my never-ending battles with the VA, check out my author's blog, Troglodad, Troglodad.info, as it rises from the ashes of abandonment.

Starting point is 02:25:40 Like the mighty phoenix this week, assuming I can remember how to update the DNS Good promotion there Coming in with two or four two hundred and four dollars and three cents is gigawatt coffee roasters from Bensonville, Illinois That's our buddy Eli the coffee guy. He says can I get a jobs karma for the incredible new team member? We just hired John they're growing This is proof American coffee company right there in Bensonville, Illinois Who knows where they get the beans from but it's an American company by American from Gigawatt coffee roasters, they're growing they got a team member a huge

Starting point is 02:26:21 Thank you to all the producers and gitmo nation who fuel their day with Gigawatt. You've helped us grow and that means jobs saved or created. Support the American dream and try our delicious fresh roasted coffee today. Visit GigawattCoffeeRoasters.com and use code ITM20 for 20% off your order. Stay caffeinated says Eli the coffee guy. Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs. Let's vote for jobs. Okay Gina Pataris in FV North Carolina. Fuque Verena. I don't know. It's Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu- Fu I didn't receive anything either notes at no agenda show dotnet So so you've recently which is the right address should have been received Yeah, resend resend resend it will read it later $200 there. She is Linda Lou Patkin from Lakewood, Colorado We all know and love her. Happy birthday John jobs karma for a resume that gets results Go to image makers inc comm for all of your executive resume and job search needs

Starting point is 02:27:43 to imagemakersinc.com for all of your executive resume and job search needs. That's Image Makers Inc. with a K and work with Linda Liu, the Duchess of jobs and writer of resumes. Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs. Yeah! You got karma.

Starting point is 02:27:58 Well, I hate to tell you this, but you're gonna have to read the next one because it takes out my spreadsheet. Yeah, that's really not okay. I mean, you need a better spreadsheet. Mark. No, I don't. Well, yes.

Starting point is 02:28:11 Do you like reading long notes? I do not. And you're a better reader than I am. That's true. A lot. Yes, Mark. Yeah, you're a good reader. You're very talented in that regard.

Starting point is 02:28:20 Flattery. So I always will defer the long notes to you. Flattery will get you everywhere. Mark Killobian, he's in Glendale, California, $200, long-time listener, almost every episode for the past four years and douchebag here. In the spirit of value for value though, I did leave a shout out to NoAgenda on my company's website for nearly all of 2024 garnering a few hundred thousand impressions. Well that's good. Frankly I would have donated but I'm a very broke entrepreneur

Starting point is 02:28:51 pouring the past two years or pretty much everything I have into building a new kind of dating app which finally launches the day this episode airs and now at last I'll have an excuse to start donating properly. It's called Dataing. Dataing. D-A-T-A-I-N-G, Dataing. And I'm pretty proud of it. With help from David Nyer, an author of SPSS and core contributor to cluster analysis. Oh, they've done something AI-y. Cluster analysis.

Starting point is 02:29:21 We're hoping there's some cluster effing going on. Yeah, exactly. We built a data-driven dating platform that matches people based on interests, personalities, and lifestyles. Basically, it's a smart data-driven matchmaker designed to connect people authentically and meaningfully even to no-agenda listeners. This sounds a lot like the plot to Bridget Jones' diary. Tell it about your dream girl and it'll go find her.

Starting point is 02:29:51 No prompts, no bios, no pay to play. Our system rates every person on a constantly updating 1200 trait scale, writes your bio and crafts custom descriptions for why every match may or may not work, all of which adapts with users over time and this is just the bootstrap version one. Oh my god, you don't even have to show up for the date, it does it for you. I know you guys aren't totally sold on AI, correct, but this will be a good test because there's a lot of incels in the NoAgenda community as I received a lot of notes and this better work. I got a lot of notes. From incels? Yes. After my incel

Starting point is 02:30:30 presentation of the last show? Yes. In fact, I have a series of clips if we have time. Blackfield. Blackfield, yeah. I know you guys aren't totally sold on AI, but I think it's probably good we teach it how to bring people together to balance out the tearing people limb from limb. Plus, if we can do it while repopulating the earth again, it seems like a worthwhile endeavor. Anyways, I've spent too long typing this and I have way too much to do before tomorrow, but I would love to someday hear about a no-agenda love story made possible by this note. Thankful for all you do. Ladies and gentlemen, go try out Dataing, the Dataing app and let me know. Let Adam Curry know how it works out for you.

Starting point is 02:31:14 Adam at curry.com. Yes, please. Last on our list is Crypto Cockney in Bedford, UK. 200 bucks. The British are coming, all caps. Liberate you two boomers. Hopefully the Associate Executive Producer donation will keep Crypto Grouch John happy and fully stocked on vintage Costco wine.

Starting point is 02:31:38 Plus Jesus approved beautiful hair care products for your good self. Bedanks for all your value-tainment. I couldn't live without it. Four more years, please play a Bitcoin crypto jingle if you have one or create one. Plus your hilarious Trump as a Nazi. Putin on the Ritz is what it is. And F.U. China. Love and good karma to all your listeners.

Starting point is 02:32:06 They're saying that all hell is gonna break loose and you're gonna need a Bitcoin. Donald loves Nazis, Donald loves Nazis, CNN say that he's KKK and he shouts and sick hail with it, wow. Huh! If you're blue and you don't know where there's fake news,

Starting point is 02:32:30 why don't you get your Gitmo fix? Putin on the rest. China is asshole! You've got karma. Well, that was a very nice sequence of executive and associate executive producers. I do want to congratulate Carolyn Blaney. We all know Carolyn Blaney. She and her husband have pooped out a child or she has actually.

Starting point is 02:33:00 She gave birth to the first child December 6, 2024. And I have, why is she, I guess she's been away for a while. And a beautiful, healthy baby girl named Evelyn Dorothy Carter. A month prior to giving birth, I became a lawful permanent resident of the United States. My girl was born in Ohio. Anchor baby. Fantastic. I love my daughter and being a mother, I feel so blessed every day.

Starting point is 02:33:24 God is good. And we say congratulations. Welcome to Gitmo Nation. Evelyn Dorothy Carter. Too bad you were not named after Adam and John, but that's how it goes. I would like to thank Aaron Steger. I was speaking at the Leadership Gillespie County yesterday here in Fredericksburg. And he came up to me. Well, I knew it was a shill because it was like a media panel and he had a question. Hey, can you tell me about Value for Value? I was like, okay.

Starting point is 02:33:53 He came up and he pressed a crisp $100 bill in my hand. I just want to thank him for that. That was very nice and unexpected. And an emergency jobs karma for our producer Sir Arrow Knight of the knots and King of the boostograms for the first time in his 35 year professional career. He was laid off from his job yesterday from a company that has bet the farm on AI. So we need to give him a jobs karma emergency jobs karma

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Starting point is 02:35:11 What the hell? What the hell? What the hell? What the hell? What the hell? What the hell? How dare you be so flippin' man? Shut up, Steve.

Starting point is 02:35:27 So instance. I have an Ask Adam. Oh you do? I wasn't prepared for an ask Adam. You can play a quick jingle. Yeah, I should have. If you can't find it, that's okay. I used to have these kind of at the ready, but I don't know what happened. Yeah, what happened? I don't know what happened. I don't know what happened. Yeah, what happened? I don't know what happened. Something happened.

Starting point is 02:35:46 For some reason, it's... Okay, here we go. Here we go. Ask Errol. Ask the question, go! Okay, there we go. That one. Yes, answer the question.

Starting point is 02:36:00 So I'm going to play the clip and then I'm going to ask you a question about the clip. Okay. Because there's an... I consider I would call an illogic moment. Is to ask Adam Clip. The General Services Administration announced it is significantly scaling back government-run childcare services. WAMU's Jackson Zinnenberg has the story.

Starting point is 02:36:23 Up until this month, the GSA ran an office of child care services that oversaw a network of 82 government-run services across the US, including Puerto Rico. Some are housed in federal office buildings, especially those in D.C. Others are independent businesses supported by the government that give preferential admission to the children of federal workers. Those child care centers will now face closure or significantly higher operating costs. Okay. What was the question?

Starting point is 02:36:51 The question will be, if they're having their money taken away, why are there going to be significantly higher operating costs? That's what he said. It makes no sense. They're having their money taken away. Where was that from? That's very interesting. It was from WAMU in Washington DC.

Starting point is 02:37:14 It's a local PBS station. Well, that explains it. But I just, what? This is like the same thing where they say, oh, you know, it generates 50, they talk about all of that. You're taking a billion dollars away from the park service. Do you realize that that one billion dollars generates $55 billion in revenue? What do you get $55 billion in revenue? Why don't you recycle some of it?

Starting point is 02:37:35 I mean, we hear these illogic complaints constantly. Well that's what the media does. I mean they just take the press release and read it. I don't think they're doing any work anymore. No I think they've stopped doing work some time back. So I have a series of clips. Do we have time? I'm wondering if I should keep it for Sunday. Maybe I'll keep this for Sunday. But what's the series clip about? Well, Morning Joe, so it was in relation to the incels' black pill. And I did get a number of very interesting notes from one of our producers who we try to do ballroom dance class to get boys

Starting point is 02:38:27 and girls comfortable with each other. And it is ballroom dance. We try to do it as different than forcing it. Yes, correct. No, he says forcing. I think he actually mentioned forcing. Well, at what age? He is a... mmm...

Starting point is 02:38:46 didn't say... It makes a difference. When you're forced to dance with a girl in the second grade first, second and third grade it has a different impact on you than eighth grade. We got a note from Matt saying we used to have junior assembly

Starting point is 02:39:02 a junior assembly. That's something similar. Then he says Now we're raising a young man here. He has a good head on his shoulders thanks to his mom, but the battle is real. And every day the battle is real. And I can keep these for Sunday if you want. But Morning Joe had a piece on how Gen Z men are more religious than Gen Z women. And that this is, there's a trend here, a trend of young men discovering Christianity. And I thought it was interesting because it was on Morning Joe, if I can say that enough.

Starting point is 02:39:40 Would you like to hear? Yeah, you said it again. Would you like to hear this report? Well, I I think so because you've played some some Christian clips some white Christian nationalist clips in the past two shows So I figure I would reciprocate none that I can recall. But sure. Yes, you did. What do you mean? We we yes, we had to where your voice changed Remarkable shift happening in a remarkable shift Your voice changed. Now to a remarkable shift happening in a remarkable shift happening remarkable shift.

Starting point is 02:40:06 Jesus is trending. American public life ever since the baby boomer generation surveys have shown women are more religious than men but not anymore. New surveys show Gen Z men are more likely to claim religious affiliation and even attend church than their female counterparts. Let's bring in NBC News correspondent and NBC News Now Daily anchor Morgan Radford for a closer look at this trend. Is she the new anchor?

Starting point is 02:40:35 There's a new anchor at NBC Daily? I don't watch the network that much. And what it means even politically, Morgan? Mika, great question. It has a lot of political implications, especially if you sort of look down in the decades to come. But it's a trend that America's religious leaders have been paying attention to, but it's also something that a growing number of political groups are tracking since this

Starting point is 02:41:00 shift toward religion is happening at the very same time. There were also, say, more young men lean conservative on a number of social issues. It's a shift that has huge implications, as we mentioned, for the future of both parties. Ah, huge implications for politics. This is a bullcrap story that's designed to explain away the fact that younger Gen Z men that younger Gen Z men are voting Republican and they're eschewing the Democrats and their stupidities and coming in conservative and there's a big stink about it. So now what they're doing here is they're blaming it on those horrible Christians. Have you seen this report?

Starting point is 02:41:40 No, I'm just telling you that's what I believe is going on. Well, let's have a listen. 20 year old Owen Gerard has changed. I was on the steps of the Florida State Capitol, you know, advocating for climate activism, the Green New Deal, all that stuff. A lot. And then now? And I'm a staunch conservative. A conservative voter and a conservative Christian. What changed? Oh, wait a minute. He was all in on our team. He switched. This is an example. This would be MSNBC's gambit of association. They use this trick. So there's something going on that we don't like. Yep. And we know that our audience hates Christians. They're a bunch of atheists, so we're going to make

Starting point is 02:42:25 the associations and do the linkage that doesn't exist. It exists with one guy or this guy or that guy, but whatever it is, we're going to generalize from that and make everybody look like a bunch of boneheads. All young men are Christians, John. Are you kidding me? They're all Republicans. Well, really, it was the faith journey that really fundamentally transformed my political views. For the first time in modern American history, more young men than women are claiming religious affiliation, a gender gap of 7%, while men under 30 who lean

Starting point is 02:42:57 Republican have also outpaced Democrats for the first time in more than a decade. You get aligned with other men that are like, hey, I actually have the same views as you. And it's like, it's okay to have that view. Here at the Faith Forward Pastor Summit in Gainesville, Georgia, hosted by an arm of the conservative activist group Turning Point USA, the call for young conservative men. We're called to be biblical and we're called to be political. By the way, if you want to make Christians look crazy, get one of those guys. We're called to be man and we're called to be political. Called to be biblical and...

Starting point is 02:43:34 Biblical and political. Yeah, that's exactly what's going on here. This is a propaganda piece. It's great. We're called to be political. It's finding a bigger audience than ever before. I had a burning desire in my heart, a heavenly desire, that wasn't being filled by anything of this world.

Starting point is 02:43:52 And so they bring in one of these groups and they're the Promise Keepers. For Shane Winnings, who leads the national men's ministry group, Promise Keepers. What kind of man are you? It's all part of a bigger strategy. I think it's very intentional. And I think the messaging from the administration was very intentional. The Trump. Ah, you see?

Starting point is 02:44:12 Yeah, yeah, yeah, see? This is the president. The president determines culture. The ministry. Yeah, it was to win those kind of people. Who? And, you know, the young people, the men who want to be men. If you fear culture, then you don't fear God.

Starting point is 02:44:24 Men who want to, or can be convinced to, return to what he calls traditional values. What we're seeing in this erosion where now anyone can be a family, you know? Two men can be a family and they can adopt kids. They hate gays! Which I think is problematic. Two women can be a family, they can adopt kids. Marriage doesn't mean anything anymore. What threat is that to you, if those two men love each other?

Starting point is 02:44:46 Because you can point statistically to our society being eroded from within because two men automatically create an unstable household because that is not God's design for a family. And you think that hurts America? Absolutely. Which extends to policy issues that he believes are fundamentally against God. Oh yeah. Now we're getting into the nitty-gritty. You're absolutely right. I think it backfires what they're trying to do here.

Starting point is 02:45:14 Let's hit wokeness. When we talk about the intertwining of faith and politics, a lot of the messaging here is about eradicating wokeness. Yeah. What does that mean? Well, I think wokeness, you know, is really anything that comes against God's design. It's this progressive mentality.

Starting point is 02:45:30 Oh, please! Wokeness is like DEI. Wokeness is... Meaning that's against God? Yes, 100%. How so? Well, I mean, it is everything it claims to be against. You know, DEI is discriminatory.

Starting point is 02:45:44 It is racist. DEI says, what's your skin color and who do you sleep with? You're getting to the front of the line. Can I push back on that? Please. My interpretation of DEI and affirmative action is essentially saying not that you must promote me because I'm black, but you are not allowed to discriminate against me. But that's already a part of our constitution, already a part of our laws. DEI has been used to push people to the front of the line who don't belong there. If someone calls some point and says that's a DEI hire. I think that's wrong too.

Starting point is 02:46:17 Do you think they're pointing at you or you think they're pointing at me? I don't know. I'll tell you what though, I think it's wrong to make a snap judgment. Like that is not godly. Because it assumes that the only people who can have good things are straight white men. Exactly. And that's a problem. I'm excited.

Starting point is 02:46:31 You have your Bible? So at Promise Keeper... Hold on a second. I love this. First of all, what kind of reporter gets into an argument... Can I push back on that please? With someone they're interviewing. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:46:44 I mean, they're supposed to be hearing the point of view and then maybe finding somebody else with a different point of view. You do all this kind of thing. You're supposed to be fairly neutral. But then to get into an argument as though you're the contradiction to whatever this guy's saying is bad journalism. It is. Well, I'm gonna... But it's what they're pushing today. This is what a lot of you gotta do that. You to do that. We're gonna go back to the studio now. Let's talk about the politics of all this We were just talking to the head of the DNC about what happened in November why Democrats may have lost men central to that I'm not just talking about white men. I'm talking about men

Starting point is 02:47:19 Young men in particular. So what are the political? Implications of that report you just showed us? I'm actually glad that you said not just white men because this coalition that is bubbling up is actually becoming more inclusive racially, which has been a little bit surprising frankly to watch in the data. But what economists say is that if you actually look, if women are leaving the church, where are these far right men going to meet these women? If you're not meeting at the church, you're not meeting at the bar, but they're saying this is actually

Starting point is 02:47:45 could have implications romantically. It could have implications on the birth rate because you can't pair if women are ideologically so far left and you're moving so far right, which means you're actually sort of compromising or putting at risk the very traditional family that you're trying to see. So I found this to be an interesting stretch.

Starting point is 02:48:02 It's like, well, if you join the church, you're actually gonna become an incel because there's no women there, no women in the church. That'll be the day, by the way. Right. And so now they bring in two fun terms. I always use the term sparkle clergy or rainbow church, but they have new ones. Well, I'm reading a lot about women Not getting married opting not to get married not finding we've talked about her. Yep I'm curious these young men are they going to the church? First and then finding the conservative political messaging or are they seeking it out? Yeah, they're being indoctrinated and finding it in churches? It's a great question.

Starting point is 02:48:45 Sort of like the chicken or the egg. And the answer is both. And what surprised me is that the pastors we spoke to said that the more stride their message is against the mainstream. We already know that basically two thirds of the country believes that same-sex marriage is okay. Abortion is okay. That transgender rights should be part of the tapestry of this country. But they're saying the more strident they are against those things, they can use that as a recruitment tool.

Starting point is 02:49:10 They said, we don't believe in gummy bear Jesus or candy Christianity. And they said- I love gummy bear Jesus. I never forgot sort of the analogy of one pastor. He said, look, you're welcome to come break bread with us and have food at the table, but don't think we're changing the menu the menu was set millennia ago Yes, and then the final clip is about the loneliness and rather regression is As we were having the same conversation around the loneliness epidemic

Starting point is 02:49:36 Yeah of men a young man, especially it sounds like that The church is a place where people are finding community and that that community potentially could be, I don't, I mean the only time I can think of is radicalizing them around this particular. There you go. There you go. Radicalize them. Ideology as it relates to the nuclear family and what millennia said. Crazy stuff like that.

Starting point is 02:50:00 It's crazy stuff they're doing there. I don't think millennia had you in mind. Or you. Or you. Or me. Did they know you were black? That's what I want to know. What was the real question? Yeah.

Starting point is 02:50:10 No, but the community, the community question. The community, yeah, look, I think they are saying it's a place that they can find community, but it's what that community looks like now. And they're saying they want to revert back to this traditional community, but they say that progress was such a bad word. Yes. They don't want to see progress. The question is is it is tradition. I didn't hear anyone say they don't want to see progress. I didn't hear that either. Where's she getting that from? No. Or does need to be regressive. From her lesbian friends. Yeah exactly. They don't want to see progress. The question is, is traditional even enough?

Starting point is 02:50:45 Or does it need to be regressive community? And the opposite side of it is you look at a lot of these progressive Christians who say, look, if you're denying someone inclusion in your church because of DEI or some such thing, are you reflecting the fact that God created us all in His image? It's interesting. No one said they reject anyone. Because He created us in His image. He created all of us and image. It's interesting. No one said they reject anyone. Because he created us in his image. He created all of us and all of our multiplicities.

Starting point is 02:51:09 So it's an interesting conversation. Remarkable piece and remarkable conversation. Oh, remarkable my ass. Remarkable my ass. Yeah, they don't know what to do with this. Well, they do actually. Like, oh, just make it Trump. Trump. Well, that brings us to the last two TikTok clips.

Starting point is 02:51:33 Oh, I'm so happy. Let's go with the TikTok clips. Start with Kathy. Kathy, it is. I just had dinner with a friend that works for Catholic charities of Dallas, Texas. Okay, stick with me here. This is going to disturb all of you. They just got a letter from the tip top of the people in Washington, telling them that they would not get money to help their charitable organization feed people if they did not give up all of the names, addresses and information of all of the El Salvadorian.

Starting point is 02:52:14 El Salvadorian, I can't even do it. I can't even talk about it because it makes me want to cry. She said she is so torn, but it came down from up above that they have to give them up. They have to give up all of their information if they want the money to help everyone. How is this what we are living in? How is this what is happening? I can't. I laughing earlier today, but I'm finishing out the day fucking crying. Over-socialized and under-educated. They wanna get a hold of the MS-13 people

Starting point is 02:52:53 and they won't be able to feed them. But the Catholic charities that she's talking about is an immigrant resettlement organization. Yeah, it's a scam. It's a scam, yeah. And I like how there's a subtext there of it's coming from up above like God is doing it.

Starting point is 02:53:08 Nice little... But we know what he's talking about. He's coming from Trump. Come on. Yeah. Not God. All right. And here we have our Wisconsin nut.

Starting point is 02:53:18 Elon? With the cheese on his head? No, another one. Hey there. So, Elon Musk is getting charged with a possible felony in the state of Wisconsin for bribery No, another one. I said that I thought eventually Elon Musk was leaving and wasn't sure if he was being deported but it seemed like it Blessings to you make it a great day and I am one more day proud to be from the state of Wisconsin All right. Well, I have to say this is no nuttier than Hillary Clinton is already at Gitmo and Hillary Clinton is already at Gitmo and I'll admit quantum dots, quantum dots on the ballots

Starting point is 02:54:09 and the grid is going down. Oh man. Social media is ruining... Mike Johnson's already been arrested and Elon, if he shows up in Wisconsin, we saw him in Wisconsin, is going to be arrested if he shows up and it's unbelievable where this is worse than anything Imagine all the people who could do that So on the way we have three Dynamite brand new end of show mixes you will not want to miss. We have tips of the day because I also have a tip of the day today which I'm excited to share.

Starting point is 02:54:51 It's not always John, sometimes it's also me. And we have meetups galore so if John will hop to it we've got a nice list of well wishes for your 73rd birthday. And by the way John, in advance, happy birthday. Well, thank you very much. And we're going to start off with some people that helped us here and starting with Joan. Joan Gasparone in Isle of Palms, South Carolina, 133. Hackon Andreessen.

Starting point is 02:55:19 Hackon? What do you think? I don't know. Hackon. 10535. That's a birthday donation for his niece, niece tilde, who turned two. Hmm. Geek Rolling in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho, 101, 101.

Starting point is 02:55:34 Matthew Toy in Carnegie, Pennsylvania, 100. And he's donating for all the free entertainment. Curtis Thomas, 100. He's from Parts Unknown. He has a long note about how great we are. Thank you very much. We appreciate that. Baron Lattekin in Houston, Texas, 100. John Robinet, 100. Kellan Prince in Hollywood, Florida. 100. Sir F.A.N. Beck in Vista, California. 100.

Starting point is 02:56:11 Then we got to Kevin McLaughlin. 8008. He's the Archduke of Luna, lover of America, and lover of boobs. Concord, North Carolina. Baron. And now we have birthday. These are all Happy Birthday John donations I'm going to give. I don't know why we don't have cities in most of these because it comes right

Starting point is 02:56:29 off the spreadsheets this happens with PayPal once in a while I don't know what causes it but we're gonna thank everyone in order starting with Baron Victor and then Dame flying fish they both wish me a happy birthday. Erididarian. William Bullock. Marjorie Santelli. James Borders. Also mentions four more years. There's Kevin McLaughlin again. 75, 68. Is this yours Stuka Luna? Thank you, Kevin. Patricia Kmak, K-M-A-C-K, what a great name, Kmak. Irma and Anita, and they're in Holland. Irma and Anita.

Starting point is 02:57:13 Happy birthday from Irma and Anita. Love the show. Oh, thanks. We found out about before COVID hit. We found out the right time. That's right. David Schwindinger followed by Dave Schwannebeck. Schwindinger and Schwannebeck. Schwindinger and Schwannebeck. And then Devin O'Connell, and he has a birthday himself on the 9th.

Starting point is 02:57:37 Paolo, Paolo, Paolo, Paolo, Paolo. Porco Porco Porco. I'm not sure. Sir Phenom. Ryan Zukowski. Brendan Blemmer. Baroness Ellen. She says she does have a Zin Montgomery Alabama that did come through. Wow 73 revolutions JCD no wonder you're so grouchy. But then she says love your insight. No no, Baronetta Ellen wants house buying karma. It's David Sousa who says no one... wait where is the... Brendan Flemmer said she loves my insightmer Brendan Flemmer was a grout Brendan Flemmer. She's the one is or she Brendan Brendan's a he yes And he said that then he's okay Baronette Tess Ellen in Montgomery, Alabama. That's you're right. That's different

Starting point is 02:58:37 She needs some house buying karma We'll give you that to you and. David Sousa in Turlock, California. Sousa. Baron anonymous cop. Wait, wait, wait. David Sousa says he donated $133 last year for the first time was never deduced. You've been deduced. By the way, what an opportunity.

Starting point is 02:58:58 This is your ham radio birthday. This is your 73. It's your ham birthday. Oh, well that's good. I'll make a note of that. David Sousa, you're a ham radio. You're a ham radio. You're a ham radio. You're a ham radio. You're a ham radio. This is your ham radio birthday. This is your 73. It's your ham. It's your ham birthday. Oh, well that's, that's I'll make a note of that in the next newsletter. 73 is everybody.

Starting point is 02:59:15 Well, you got to item 49 and you finally, that dawned on you. Great. That didn't dawn on me. So you got me beat. Just realized. This is the way we do it. Yeah. Baron, oh, we missed out on that idea. Baron Anonymous Cup, our buddy there in 73 Bucks, he's on the peninsula. Joshua Collins, Sir David French, Baron of Bits, Bites and Bourbon. Sir Dan in Canton, Georgia.

Starting point is 02:59:43 Dame Rita, there she is, she's in Sp Canton, Georgia. Uh, Dame Rita. Uh, there she is. She's in Sparks, Nevada. What? We're in Texas. Wait, uh, you crapped out for a moment. Dame Rita and Tony health. Yes. Yeah.

Starting point is 03:00:00 She Dame Rita is in Nevada, Nevada and Tony health is in Texas. Fort Worth. Where all the money is. Joe Drake in Furn down the UK. Consider this a disinteresting. It's a show multiplier, but it's $70. This has got nothing to do with anything. My birthday. That was all the birthday. Hello. Is there's 30 of them. Thank you very much. Joe Drake wanted to deduce you've been deduced onward with ethan moss in roanoke texas chad hewitt in folsom california oh you know what it is what that's interesting um well i'll tell you after the show That's interesting.

Starting point is 03:00:45 Um, well, I'll tell you after the show, less Tarkowski and Kingman, Arizona, Chad Hewitt in Folsom, California, Ethan Moss. I said that in Roanoke, Texas, going backwards. Brian Furley. I said that 5510 for him. Dame Tracy and Sir Kane break in St. George, Louisiana. 5510. Harry Matson in Ventura, 5420. Heather Harper in Lubbock, 5333. John Bassano in Madison, Alabama, 5272. Jennifer Williams in Davy Crockett.

Starting point is 03:01:24 National Park, is that what that is? Texas? That was the Alamo national forest, national forest, national forest. 52 72. Uh, James burrows in Landrum, South Carolina, FEMA region for D Dushy. You've been D Dushy. Also house buying karma at the end for you. And now we go to the $50 donors name and location.

Starting point is 03:01:50 Scott McCarty in Lodi, Jordan Tierney in Orel, South Dakota, Tony Lang in Castle Pines, Colorado, Foster Birch in New York City, Matt Frazee in St. John's, Florida, Daniel Laboy in Bath, Michigan, Rebecca Rebecca Ha, H-A-U-G-H, which is ha I think. Ha ha ha. Ha ha ha. In Memphis, Tennessee. James Sharametto, we haven't heard from him for a while. He's in Napanok, New York. Leslie Walker in Roseburg, Oregon. She says, I wish I could give more each month. You're a huge part of my life. You give accurate information so we can function in these crazy times. Yes. Carlos Estrada in Spring, Texas and Aichi Kitagawa in San Francisco. These are the people that helped us produce and get show 1752 off the ground.

Starting point is 03:02:43 I want to thank each and every one of them very good group house Buying karma for two people here. You've got karma and thank you all so much We do not mention people under $50 so that there's a spot where you can always be anonymous However, a reminder once again, we do have those recurring donations you and they help a lot You can set them up any amount any frequency frequency by going to NoAgendaDonations.com. And again, thank you to our executive and associate executive producers who helped us produce episode 1752. Hackeland Andresen wishes his niece Tilda a very happy birthday. Now she celebrated her second birthday on March 24th.ipages Colin happy birthday to their newest human resource Chloe Susanna happy birthday says born March 21st 2025 Jules Wicker turns 44 today happy

Starting point is 03:03:35 birthday Jules John is turned oh John that's you you turned 73 on April 5th that'll be what is that Saturday happy birthday John Cervantes wishes Denise Leona a very happy birthday. Turn seven tomorrow. Sir Ventus shares your birthday, John, on April 5th. Sir Ventus also wishes his daughter, Isla, a happy 18th on John's birthday. Again, it's a popular day. Marty turns 40 on the 8th and Devin O'Connell celebrates on the 9th. We say happy birthday to all of these birthday boys and girls from everybody here at the best podcast in the universe

Starting point is 03:04:09 We have two Commodores to welcome into the Commodore ship which includes a very handsome certificate You can hang on the wall. It says really it's quite a nice piece of work You can see it and find out more at no agenda rings comm check out the Commodore tab So we would like to congratulate Commodore Dubbs and Commodore JLGS LLC, both of you, Commodores of NoAgenda. Commodores arriving and go to NoAgendaRings.com. Give us an address, we'll be sure to take care of you.

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Starting point is 03:05:56 correspondence and as always it also comes with a certificate of authenticity. Thank you for supporting the show. Value for value. Noagenderdonations agenda donations calm anybody can support us in some small way You can also do that That recurring donation no agenda donations calm There's gonna be a cool meetup actually there's a couple of cool meetups, we love the meetup reports. There's going to be a cool meetup, actually there's a couple of cool meetups on John's birthday but first we have a report from a very small meetup but that doesn't matter, a report is a report from the Not For Fools meetup in Knoxville.

Starting point is 03:06:36 In the morning, no agenination. This is Commodore Baron Bones checking in from Barley's at the Knoxville meetup. Only two people showed up, me and someone else. We'll hand off the microphone here just a moment. Next time we'll do a better job of announcing this. Like, could you get me a jingle for those days? Adam Currie and the Noble General Show. Make sure all of you Knoxville producers can make it out. Kind of a lonely night. Yeah, I'm a disco jockey. That's right. Got to do it on a school night because I'm busy on the weekends in the morning.

Starting point is 03:07:02 Adam, John, I want to thank you for your courage. This is Commodore Hogfather coming to you live from Knoxville, Tennessee. Wow, two Commodores and they didn't have anybody else. You people missed out in Knoxville. Of course, you could have had your server in there. Add your servers in your Meetup reports. They love it. The establishments love it and it's fun to listen to.

Starting point is 03:07:22 There's a Meetup taking place right now, the Noag in the meetup at the perfect pint west in New York City if you're in New York go hang out with them Also the northern wake public all slave gathering starts in about an hour from now hoppy endings in Raleigh, North Carolina On Saturday in Japan Osaka Japan Sir Bill of Osaka has organized the Osaka Castle Cherry Blossom Viewing and Amigdala Shrinking Meetup at 1.33 Japan time and there it is the Northern Silicon Valley JCD birthday extravaganza bash 3.33 p.m. Pacific at Pizzeria Violetta Violetta in Oakland, California. Go say hi to John. Ladies, make sure you kiss him.

Starting point is 03:08:05 He loves it. That's it for our meetups. Many more on the list. You can find them all at noagendameetups.com. You can search by list, search by area, and thank you all for the producers who organize these. They are producer organized, but it's a great way to get some protection

Starting point is 03:08:21 because that's what you get with that connection. They are your first responders in emergency. Noadjinnameetups.com. If you can't find one near you, I recommend you start one yourself. Sometimes you want to go hang out with all the nights and days. You want to be where you want to be, triggered or held alame. You want to be where everybody feels the same. It's like a party.

Starting point is 03:08:50 As we always like to do, we like to select an end of show ISO, which is really nothing more than just propagating the truth that artificial intelligence is only good for ISOs. There's no other reason to use it. Here's my real iso. I call him a spook. That's all I got and I'm sure yours are much better. Oh, that's... you could have done... No, I'm not even trying. I'm not even trying. Well, I'm gonna stop doing these if you stop trying. You have a lozenge in your mouth. Yeah, I'm chewing on it now to get rid of it. Okay, let's start with the iso. This is better. Wow, that was better than a dirty Sanchez. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha and still going strong with his dirty mind. That was a good one. What's the next? Uh, this is fine.

Starting point is 03:09:45 Dadgummit! Another fine presentation. No, that doesn't beat the dirty Sanchez. Yeah, but you can't use it. Try this one. The last one's so good. Mmm, that was so good. Mmm. Wow, that was better than a dirty Sanchez. That's the one, man. That's the one. That's a winner.

Starting point is 03:10:02 There's no two ways about it. Hey, it is time now for John's illustrious tip of the day Created by Dana Bernetti, can I do my yeah do yours first and now follow up We were talking about toilet seats on several... We have talked about toilet seats quite a bit on this show as it turns out. We shouldn't. Well, there is a toilet seat that is an electronic bidet toilet seat. It does the full wash, the full everything you want.

Starting point is 03:10:42 It has the heated seat and it doesn't look dorky. It actually looks pretty cool. It is the Washlet C5 Round Electronic Bidet Toilet Seats. And I get it wash let washlets the Washlet W A S H L E TT-C-5 round electronic bidet toilet seat. And it won't break the bank. Now I have a- Well, it's not a whole toy, it's just a seat. It's just a seat, yes. But it's not like some dorky, you know,

Starting point is 03:11:14 it looks like a normal seat. It has a remote control. Yeah, that's what it's supposed to look like. It has a remote control, and you can control the sprayer. It has a remote control so somebody can walk by while you're in the pot, and next thing you know, you're soaked. Well, you should use. It has a remote control so somebody can walk by while you're in the pot. The next thing you know, you're soaked. Well, you should use, you keep the remote control in the bathroom.

Starting point is 03:11:30 Well, why does it need to be remote then? You're right there. Well, because otherwise you have like a huge handle sticking out of the seat and that's what makes it looks dumb. Looks like a geriatric device. So there's a bunch of these. There's the Toto, there's the Washlet C5. Yeah, that's it. bunch of these is the Toto. There's the washlet. Yeah, that's it The Toto the Toto is 350 bucks from Amazon, but the washlet c5 which looks like the exact same thing and Chinese version

Starting point is 03:11:54 Yeah from Aliexpress is 277 yeah, but you you're forgetting to include the 54% tariff Well, it's a now's the time before the tariff goes into play. Get your toilet seat quick everybody. Meanwhile Walmart has the same seat for $4.93. Well this is good so there's different places you can get it. This is an example of Amazon actually having cheaper than Walmart which is not usually the case. Interesting. And you can get it in two days from Prime. Yeah. It's kind of pricey stuff.

Starting point is 03:12:32 I know, but I'm considering this. Why did you get the one from China then? Same exact product. If there's anything you use every single day, like shoes, mattress, you know, I use our toilet every day. I am definitely considering it. You don't think this one is from Amazon's Not The China One? It's the same one.

Starting point is 03:12:56 I didn't say it wasn't. I'm just talking about the model. I'm just saying this is what you want. This looks sleek, it looks modern, and it does the deed. It's a good-looking Product yeah, good-looking products. All right, you you are in a grouchy mood. Arrgh! All right, well I got something that's off beat although we can just stay with that one tip we don't need two I want your tip This is something JC turned me on to

Starting point is 03:13:25 This is something JC turned me on to. So I got one and I checked it out. It's kind of cool to have. I think it's important to have one around the house. A Geiger counter. I have a Geiger counter. Do you have the little handheld one that's about the size of a cell phone? No, I have a World War II Geiger counter. One of those yellow boxes.

Starting point is 03:13:44 Yeah, no, these are a newer version. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, I had one of those are too big and clunky. Yeah, they're very clunky this is a modern Geiger counter, of course is made in China and GQ electronics is actually says Seattle. It says Seattle Washington on the window opens was Chinese Give me a break and it's the G Q E on the window opens, but it's Chinese, give me a break. And it's a GQE GMC 800, you can get that, but there's other ones that are similar. They're all under $100.

Starting point is 03:14:11 And they have a little sensor on the side of the Geiger tube, at least a modern version, I guess, as somebody's miniaturized it. And I think it's handy to have. And I had checked it out, I have a uranium rock amongst my collection. Handy to have and I had checked it out. I have a uranium rock Amongst my collection, of course you do doesn't everybody have a uranium rock laying around Next to the rain or rock next to the cheddar cheese hat. It's it's it's sealed in a lead thing Uh-huh, and I checked it. Yep, it could see the uranium and

Starting point is 03:14:42 So it works It's funny because I'm actually slightly radioactive. Wow. Seems that humans, I mean the background on this, the background is around eight, or just no radiation at all, and then when you're hanging it around a person, it'll go up to 10.

Starting point is 03:15:00 Now if you hit the uranium, it skyrockets. Have you tried a banana? Not yet, not to mention. Have you tried a banana? Not yet. Not to mention, I should try a banana. What is the actual usefulness of a Geiger counter around the house? To check your water supply, maybe to check to see if there's someone serving you tea. You might want to make sure it's not laced with plutonium to try to kill you. That's one good use.

Starting point is 03:15:25 Is this a portable device that you can take with you to… Yes, the size of a cell phone. It's very small. Oh, you can take it with you to the Russian tea room where they might try something. You can take it to the Russian tea room and then you can pull it out. You can also take it to the fish market to make sure you're not getting radioactive salmon. These are all…

Starting point is 03:15:41 This is tips within tips. Yeah. There's a lot of potential uses. So I just think everyone should have a Geiger counter. Come on, it's 2025. Yeah, that's right everybody. Get your Geiger counter, find out more at tipofthedate.net, noagendafun.com.

Starting point is 03:15:57 Create advice for you and me, just a tip with JCB. And sometimes, Adam. Created by Dana Bernetti. Wow. Wow, wow, wow. That's why people stick the whole show out, John, just to hear stuff like that. It is 2025. Everybody should have a Geiger counter.

Starting point is 03:16:17 I cannot disagree. Cannot disagree. Particularly at the Russian Tea Room. It's very important. Let's see, we have, oh, bowl after bowl coming up next on the No Agenda stream. Stick around in the Troll Room if you're still there, trollroom.io, or you can just keep listening on your modern podcast app. Everything switches over automatically. It's a beautiful system from the number one podcast directory in the universe podcast index org End of show mixes we have new ones

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