No Agenda - 1753 - "Local Jamoke"

Starting point is 00:00:00 Most women kill their husbands by poisoning them. country here in FEMA region number six in the morning everybody I'm Adam Curry and from Northern Silicon Valley where I understand the Russians are making exploding sex toys I'm John C. DeVorek wait a minute I thought that was the Israelis who made it exploding sex toys well the Russians apparently are making exploding dildos. That could be annoying. It's a day wrecker. It could be rather annoying. Where did you get this tidbit from? Some story floating around.

Starting point is 00:00:55 It was on a real news site. It's on a real news site. Okay, that makes nothing but sense. It's on the internet. It must Okay, that makes nothing but sense. A real, where is it? On the internet, it must be true. It must be true. Yeah. Hey man, happy birthday one day after the fact, but happy birthday.

Starting point is 00:01:11 Why thank you. And did everyone come by and celebrate? A lot of people did. Really? More than just the family? No, I'm talking about the meetup. Oh yeah, how was that? That must've been fantastic.

Starting point is 00:01:24 How many people were there? I don't know, you know, they were scattered about the meetup. Oh, yeah. How was that? That must have been fantastic. How many people were there? I don't know. You know, they were scattered all over the place. I'll tell you this, that pizza people, the Violeta Pizza. Yes, that's where it was. And Violeta, of course, is the trap baby that was notorious. Nice. They make a fabulous pizza.

Starting point is 00:01:45 With the pineapple? You know, they didn't bring a pineapple one out, which disappointed me. But actually I don't even know if they have pineapple ones, but it doesn't matter. The pizzas are, it's just everything you'd want. The pizza, the crust is perfect. The sauce is terrific. They use the real cheeses and there's a big line. This is the, supposedly their opening is their hard opening. And there's like a, considering that no one's heard of this, you know, the new one is the new place.

Starting point is 00:02:18 He bought some property in a part of Oakland that was industrial. And there was a line of people waiting to buy pizza as I left the meetup. It was like, you know, must have been 20 people there waiting patiently in line. It's astonishing. That kind of reminds me of the grilled cheese place back in the day. The place across the street from Medio? Yeah, remember that? Yeah. The grilled cheese place.

Starting point is 00:02:47 All they made was grilled cheese and they were packed. And I think we predicted the mac and cheese, the grilled cheese, the avocado toast. We predicted a lot of things even without saying, I predict something. In fact, one of our producers sent me this. This is from 2021. I could not believe when I heard this. The globalist jumped on the opportunity to be anti-racist and do photo ops being nice to poor black people, but the general public is still kind of racist here. Co figure. There are reports and video evidence of Haitians catching and eating family cats and dogs, but it isn't too common.

Starting point is 00:03:28 Hey, we need this meme over here. Dude, if people knew that Haitians were eating dogs, all of Wocustan would be defending the border. Yep. We need to get this. This needs to come out. Stop eating our dogs, you Haitians. They're eating the dogs. Can you believe we have that actual conversation?

Starting point is 00:03:50 Well, maybe that's where Trump got it. Huh? Uh, not, possible, possible. You never know. So amidst, and of course we're going to talk about terror every I have stuff from the Sun. I have stuff from the Sunday shows. I have tons of terror stuff too. But from this morning from the Sunday show brand new. No not from the Sunday show. You always generally have the advantage on that one. So before we do that though I thought it was rather interesting and didn't, at least I didn't

Starting point is 00:04:25 see it get the coverage about the Russian envoy being in DC. Did you get any of that? No. So Kirill Dmitriev, Dmitriev, easy for you to say. It's not easy for me to say, was in DC and I could not find anything except DC and I could not find anything except snippets of an interview he did on Fox with Brett Baer, which I thought was, you know, I had like W-I-O-N, I had Africa News did something on it. No, no, everyone was like, oh, it wasn't on CBS. No. Well, I pulled a couple clips. I thought it was white, white, it was white winter string. It was very interesting. And right off the bat, this career dude says, you know, Trump's done some pretty good stuff like stopping World War Three.

Starting point is 00:05:17 President Trump administration has made tremendous progress. So, there's no dialogue with Russia in Biden. What? Obviously, that's why it wasn't played. Right off the top. Progress, no, we can't have that.

Starting point is 00:05:29 That's no good. No, it's not anti Trump enough. Trump administration has made tremendous progress. There was no dialogue with Russia in Biden administration for the last three years. There was no trying to understand

Starting point is 00:05:42 Russian position. There was no real solutions that could have been successful. And what President Trump's team has done is understood what the solution space may be and they achieved the first de-escalation ever in the conflict, which is stopping hits on energy infrastructure between Russia and Ukraine. So we are having good discussions. Our diplomatic people are also discussing possible outcomes,

Starting point is 00:06:06 but there is no question that President Trump team not only stopped World War Three from happening, but also had already achieved sizable progress on Ukraine resolution. What? Yeah, you're right. No wonder. No, we can't have that. We can't be talking about good stuff like that. And this kind of leading into the tariffs and sanctions, I thought this was fascinating. Russia is not asking for lifting of sanctions because if you look at our GDP growth, it's actually 4% last year versus just 1% in Europe. If you look at our debt to GDP is 18% versus 100% in Europe. So I think what we see is that actually US companies lost around $300 billion of foregone profit from withdrawing from Russia.

Starting point is 00:06:51 So I think sanctions may be lifted when US companies want to go back, want to take advantage of business opportunities in Russia. But right now Russia is not making any preconditions, not asking for specific sanction relief. This is fantastic. The Russians are like, hey man, you guys can come in, you can make $300 billion more. You can buy back your McDonald's. As if they all went away, we know that a lot of them were faking it. Yeah, they're fake. And the last clip here is about another another stunner about NATO and the the

Starting point is 00:07:28 final resolutions for Ukraine. But I think Ukraine joining NATO as our president said is not at all possible and that I think has been widely accepted including by Trump administration. You know some security guarantees in some form may be acceptable. Then we can do so many great things together in Arctic. We can do deals in rare earth and other minerals. We can do lots of cooperation in LNG and other areas. So I think one of the big issues between us, we never had really lots of economic cooperation.

Starting point is 00:08:02 We believe that economic cooperation will allow us to also resolve any political issues. Man, they're going to have to line up behind Canada. Everybody wants to give us rare earth. It's amazing. All of a sudden. It's amazing. It was like, well, tariffs are no good.

Starting point is 00:08:16 We're going to get you, but hey, would you like some rare earth? Uh, yeah. And, you know, no, it can't be a NATO over there in Ukraine, but security, some security forces are okay. This is amazing. More amazing, of course, that the M5M has, except for Fox, I'll give them a pass on that, have just not covered it. And I don't even know, this guy may just be some Jumok who lives in Brooklyn and speaks Russian for all I know. I've never heard of him. I've never heard of this guy. Bear's pretty good at getting, they have good bookers on that show.

Starting point is 00:08:48 I don't know this guy. As a contrast, I want to play these clips. Alrighty. This is a contrast of what you just played because that's like good news, kind of. Can't have good news, this is not cool. But we can't have good news, so let's go to CBS. And look at their discussion of the NSA head being fired. Oh no.

Starting point is 00:09:09 Oh no. Okay. NSA head. You have two here. You have... Yeah, the one that says two in it is the second one. Oh, that's a two. Okay, Tweet got it.

Starting point is 00:09:21 The general in charge of the National Security Agency and US Cyber Command is the latest to be fired in a purge of national security officials. Margaret Brennan has the details. President Trump's firing of the top two leaders of the powerful National Security Agency, Cyber Command General Timothy Hawk and Deputy Wendy Noble and the dismissal of at least six White House National Security Council aides followed an extraordinary Oval Office meeting Wednesday between President Trump and far-right activist Laura Loomer. CBS News has learned that Loomer, who has entertained 9-11 conspiracy theories, has a history of anti-Muslim

Starting point is 00:10:00 anti-immigrant social media posts, privately and publicly accused the officials of subverting Trump's agenda and being disloyal. President Trump said he did discuss personnel with Loomer. Chris Krebs, a CBS News consultant, was a top cybersecurity official during the first Trump administration. So, Laura Loomer, this far-right activist, said Hawk was fired because he was, quote, disloyal to President Trump. What do you make of that?

Starting point is 00:10:27 He's exactly the kind of leader I think we need in that role. It is surprising. I think it is a bit of a setback for us as we see China, as we see Russia and Iran getting more and more aggressive in cyberspace to move out one of our most accomplished, distinguished cyber warriors. Now I saw the story come across the trance and I'm glad you got these clips because my initial, I'll be honest, my initial response, Laura Lumer, what is she doing?

Starting point is 00:10:57 Someone's been loomer. I mean, where, where's, what was going on there? Couple of things, the note. Why don't they get Laura Loomer and ask her a couple of questions? They might want to ask her what's she talking about, about this guy being disloyal. Did they?

Starting point is 00:11:15 They don't interview her, they don't talk to her. They talk to this guy, Kreb, who they announce as, this is CBS's duplicitousness, by the way. This is a great example of very poor journalism. And I would blame everybody, Dickinson and Brennan, the rest of them, for doing this. This Krebs guy, he was, he said,

Starting point is 00:11:39 oh, he was Trump's guy, he was Trump's security guy, you know, cyber security guy. He was fired by Trump, which you'd think they would mention because it does give you a little insight into what he's bitching about, because he was one of the guys fired by Trump, so you can't take him too seriously. You mean previously, before it was NSA or now?

Starting point is 00:12:00 No, I'm talking about the guy doing the, that she's talking to. Oh, oh, oh Okay, the guy who he's she's using as evidence of this being a big blunder got it Krebs guy He was fired by Trump. He was he did work for Trump and then right after the the election in 2019 right after the election before you know where Trump thought it was a fake bad election for the 2020 election. This guy was, he decided between the time of the election and the inauguration of Biden, he as the cybersecurity guy started a blog which just documented every reason in the

Starting point is 00:12:44 world why this couldn't have been a rigged election. He should have done a sub stack blogs get no traction. Well whatever he did something it was government it was on government dime huh and so Trump fired him. Now was he at CISA was it no it was Homeland Security. Yes no CISA. So no so Trump fired him so now he's the expert so he's a guy with no. So now he's the expert. So he's a guy with no grudge and he's on with Margaret Brennan. Are you telling me that CBS is not doing good journalism?

Starting point is 00:13:14 So they're actually getting worse and worse. Meanwhile, we talked about this Hawkeye, Hawke as she calls him, H-A-U-G-H was the head of NSA. This guy is interesting in a couple of ways. He's like, he has three master's degrees in cybersecurity stuff, but it's like from the Naval postgraduate school, from the Army school, this and that. Stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop,

Starting point is 00:13:41 stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, No agenda, masters of security stuff. Yes. I like it. I like it a lot. Yeah, well. So the PhD is the only thing that works. So this guy has three master's degrees and he has, if you look at him, he looks like

Starting point is 00:13:56 kind of a government guy. But if you look at him or you look at his background, he has, now when you think of somebody with a bronze star Yeah, what does that imply? You did yeah, if you did something you courageous You probably did something in combat. Yeah that yes courageous in combat. Yes This guy it appears has never been in combat. Yes. This guy, it appears he's never been in combat. He has a Bronze Star. And if you try to research the Bronze Star, which I did, you can't find out why he got this Bronze

Starting point is 00:14:33 Star. And he apparently got the Bronze Star while he was in Florida. He rebooted a server. He got the Bronze Star. All I can figure out is he got the bronze star somehow in Florida. And I guess he was doing something remotely. I don't know. The guy is suspicious. And so they bring this, they never interview Loomer about any of this. They do interview Trump. I had to cut that out because it was on the airplane.

Starting point is 00:15:06 You couldn't hear it. And so they bring this Krebs guy on to straighten this out. And this is just garbage. So let's listen to the second half. This went right to the Oval Office, the conversation about these National Security Council officials. There's a short circuit happening here in the traditional process. There's a different kind of influence that is informing personnel processes and decisions and I think that's in part what's just so unusual about the moment.

Starting point is 00:15:35 We have really really capable people in leadership positions that I think are serving the Constitution well but unfortunately their time's up in their jobs. And Margaret, Brendan joins us now from Washington. Margaret, if you could take us through the scope of what the NSA does and why this is such a big deal today. Well, Maurice, the NSA is arguably the most powerful intelligence collection agency this country has because they vacuum up information through signals, intelligence intercepts, through-

Starting point is 00:16:04 Vacuum up information? That's actually a very accurate description of what they do. Yeah, it's very accurate. Vacuum it up. And the thing is, it's interesting is that if you listen to her exposition here, she kind of has to clarify things with a little afterthought you may or may not catch.

Starting point is 00:16:22 And see this country has, because they vacuum up information through signals intelligence Intercepts through cyber collection through wire taps and they do that overseas They then work hand in glove with the military's cyber command now general hawk. It's a four-star general He was unanimously confirmed by Congress to that job and he swore no of allegiance to the US Constitution, no matter who is president. His accuser, Laura Loomer, says his fault is working for the last president.

Starting point is 00:16:54 Margaret, and you're hearing there might be more changes in store perhaps for this important agency? Yes, John, we are actually, CBS has learned that President Trump is considering splitting off the NSA from the military. Other presidents have also considered this and then ruled it out. Doing so, splitting it off would allow for President Trump to put a political ally at the helm.

Starting point is 00:17:20 General Hawke opposed it. What did she say at the end? Would prevent political ally at the helm? I didn't quite understand what she was saying. She said that splitting it off. Now this is the logic of this. Now this is the part that I thought was interesting. And by the way, the other part I was mentioning earlier is when she said they wiretaps. Yeah. They do this overseas. She added that in real quick. They do it overseas. They don't do wiretaps here like Snowden implies. Not at Trump Tower at all.

Starting point is 00:17:47 No, no, no. It's not happening. So, she says that by splitting the NSA off from the military, it allows Trump to put in a loyalist. Trump's going to put in somebody anyway. Whether they're connected to the military or not, why wouldn't he put in a loyalist. Well, Trump's going to put in somebody anyway. What, whether they're connected to the military or not, why wouldn't he put in a loyalist? Well, in other words, I don't get the, what is the, do they have to split NSA off from the military so he can put in a

Starting point is 00:18:18 loyalist? Why can't they just put in a loyalist any without splitting it off? It doesn't make any sense at all. She makes it sound like some conspiracies going on. This is just bad reporting. Well, there probably is a possible conspiracy opportunity. If you have NSA, you know, part of the military, like separate those two. She just talked about all that with the DOD, handing glove with the DOD. Yeah, you want to keep that

Starting point is 00:18:48 close to the vest. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. Interesting. So this was an example of the opposite of like, let's talk about the envoy from Russia, trying to straight peace. Heaven forbid. Let's just talk about Trump. Well, I'll do two. These are rather short series of the Sunday morning shows. Thank you, Steve Jones. Howard Lutnick, our Commerce Secretary, was on Face the Nation. And he made a little boo-boo.

Starting point is 00:19:20 What? Is Lutnick the... Oh yeah, he's Commerce. Yeah, he's Commerce. Yeah. He made a little boo-boo. But Lutnik? Oh yeah, he's commerce. Yeah, he's commerce. Yeah. He made a little boo boo. But first, let's get into the intro. We see about 60% of Americans have money in the stock market, which mean that retirees could be just as concerned as hedge fund managers. Hold on a second. Let's start with that premise.

Starting point is 00:19:40 60% of Americans have money in the stock market mostly via 401ks. Yes. It's not like they're investors. 60% of Americans have money in the stock market mostly via 401ks. Yes. It's not like they're investors. And by the way, I wonder if it's 60% that have 401ks. Retirement funds, yeah. Yeah, well, that's what they're trying to include, yeah. Because the active investors is no way that high.

Starting point is 00:20:00 Okay. Did you expect this level of shock in the financial markets? Shock. Well, you've got to realize this is a national security issue. We don't make medicine in this country anymore. We don't make ships.

Starting point is 00:20:13 We don't have enough steel and aluminum to fight a battle, right? All our semiconductors are made overseas for every button we press when we try to start our car or even use our microwave. These are all semiconductors. They're all made elsewhere. overseas, for every button we press when we try to start our car or even use our microwave. These are all semiconductors. They're all made elsewhere.

Starting point is 00:20:30 Buttons now semiconductors, but okay, I digress. I like the buttons. Buttons. Start to protect ourselves and we've got to stop having all the countries of the world ripping us off. We have a $1.2 trillion trade deficit and the rest of the world has a surplus with us. They're earning our money, they're taking our money, and Donald Trump has seen this and he's going to stop it. So it is going to be a big change. Of course, it's going to be a big change, but the rest of the world has been ripping us off for all these many years. Donald Trump has

Starting point is 00:21:01 seen it. He's spoken about it. I understand that, and he's just not going to take it anymore, and that's his model. So actually, it's Hasser, he's the, did the whoops, you'll get to that later. But this guy likes saying ripped off a lot. And where does he come from, Ludnik? He comes from, from, is he a hedge fund guy or what is he? I think he's a hedge fund guy. We can look him up, but. But who is this that is interviewing him?

Starting point is 00:21:26 I have no idea. Sounds like Brennan. Oh, it could be. It's Face the Nation. So probably. That would be her. Okay. More getting ripped off. She's bad by the way. She's just a bad, she's bad news this woman. No, that's her job. She's bad news lady. And that was abundantly clear during the presidential campaign how much the president truly believes

Starting point is 00:21:46 in tariffs and putting him at the center of his economic policy. But you saw absolute panic in the global market. I'm sorry, Cantor Fitzgerald, of course, how could I forget? He's the guy that didn't go to work on 9-11. Sorry to put it that way, but. Did you expect that or were you surprised? No, I think the point is you need to reset the power of the United States of America and reset it against all our allies and our enemies alike.

Starting point is 00:22:12 The idea that all the countries of the world can run trade surpluses with America and buy our things with us. Remember $1.2 trillion. In 1980 we were a net investor meaning we owned more of the rest of the world than they owned of us. Yeah, it's a different world, it's a different market. And now they own $18 trillion of us net. So that means the rest of the world, every year when we run a $1.2 trillion deficit, the rest of the world buys $1.2 trillion of America,

Starting point is 00:22:43 and it goes up and up and up and eventually we're not going to own America and we are going to be owned by the rest of the world. Imagine if we had a war and we can't build a ship, we can't fly a plane, we can't build our own planes, we don't have our own semiconductors. This is what the president is here to fix for America. It's in his hands and he wants to fix America. This is his chance to fix America. We need him to fix it for our children and our grandchildren Understood, but my 401k here at CBS is going down. I hate looking at these numbers all day long

Starting point is 00:23:17 and then This was really quite low. I mean, what let's just stop for let's just stop for a second. What Lutnick said there is kind of important. It's very important. And if the media was on board, this wouldn't be any, if this would be an issue at all, but they're not, they're fighting, they're fighting it. They really want America to become a weakened state that could be just easily taken over by anyone with the military

Starting point is 00:23:46 because we're going to have nothing except soldiers with gear that is purchased overseas and we still have our the defense industry we have which really only makes missiles and fighter jets. We don't make tanks but not with our own steel., no, no, problem. There's a lot of problems here in terms of strategic positioning and the media is just not helping. Oh no, of course not. I mean, they want ratings. They don't really care if they're helping or not. They're not interested. They're interested in their own bread and butter. It makes total sense, just like us. That's why we're cow-towing. We don't have ratings. We don't need ratings. We don't use ratings. We're not part of that system. No, we're not part of downloads either, Podcast Industrial Complex. Anyway, so it was understandable that Saturday Night Live made a joke about the McDonald Island,

Starting point is 00:24:47 you know, penguins. That's understandable. But for CBS to not even think for two seconds about what this is, what that's really about was just baffling. When we saw the president stand in the Rose Garden holding up that chart that you helped make, that wasn't actually tariffs. That was actually confusing to investors because it was some kind of other formula and the countries themselves... Did you see the formula? Yeah, I think I did. It was like, it looked like the formula for Bitcoin mining.

Starting point is 00:25:21 Oh, that formula that was up there, yeah. It was very interesting. I was like, okay. And the that formula that was up there. Yeah. It was very interesting. I was like, okay. And the countries themselves seemed kind of random. Why are the herd in McDonald Islands, which don't export to the United States and are quite literally inhabited by penguins, why do they face a 10% tariffs? Did you use AI to generate this?

Starting point is 00:25:42 I mean, can you believe this question? It's like, do a use AI and ask the question you would come up with with an answer you wouldn't ask this ridiculous question. I just couldn't believe that came from CBS. Face generation. No, no, the idea. Look, the idea is why are they on the list? Because the idea, what happens is if you leave anything off the list, the countries that try to basically arbitrage America go through those countries to us.

Starting point is 00:26:18 And now what he's trying to say is, I'm going to fix the trade deficit of the United States of America. It's a national security issue. We need to make medicine, we need to make semiconductors, we need to make ships. She's not listening. We need to have steel and aluminum. Come on, we need the greatness of America to actually be built in America and he's tired of getting ripped off by the rest of the world.

Starting point is 00:26:38 Okay, but just to be clear, April 9th, the so-called retaliatory tariffs. So-called, so-called, retaliatory- To actually be built in America and he's tired of getting ripped off by the rest of the world. Okay, but just to be clear, April 9th, the so-called retaliatory tariffs, the reciprocal tariffs,

Starting point is 00:26:56 I should say, are those coming or are they open to negotiation? The tariffs are coming, he announced it, and he wasn't kidding. The tariffs are coming. He announced it and he wasn't kidding. The tariffs are coming. Of course they are. Okay. She is not listening. I wonder if her producer is just yelling in her ear. You know, it's like, she might be, you know. Ask him about the tariffs. Are they coming April 9th? I've noticed this before that she doesn't listen very well. She did it with Marco Rubio. She didn't listen to him.

Starting point is 00:27:28 Right. She danced, JD Vance, who's nailed her too, because she wasn't listening. She doesn't listen. And it's possible that she's one of those people. There are people that are major anchors, not a lot of them, but there's a few, which is probably why she's never doing a daily show, that when they're talking, this is kind of inside baseball, but when you have this IFB in your ear and someone's talking to you, this was expressed I think in the movie Network News where they could talk to him and he could, he could, as you're, not too many people can do this, but they can talk to you in your ear and

Starting point is 00:28:10 you can repeat right as they're saying it in real time as if you're saying it. Yeah. It's a skill and some people can't, the skill is like lost on them when they're, when the IFB is going off and the producer is saying what you just said, they're yucking at her. She can't also listen to the guest. She can only hear the guy. She's one track mind. So she can hear the guy in the IFB and she can't pay attention at the same time. Some people can, some people can't.

Starting point is 00:28:41 She can't. Well, the problem with her is that, and this is what you shouldn't be doing, she keeps saying, yeah, yeah, okay, but she keeps interrupting because she hears the question in her ear. Tom Brokaw could do that. He was really good at that. I saw that. I think we talked about it. The launch of MSNBC and Tom Brokaw interviewed President Clinton. Yeah, it must have been President Clinton. And I sat in the control room

Starting point is 00:29:09 because we had done the chat or something for MSNBC. And it was astounding how good he was. It was just, you know, he's talking, he's listening. They're yelling in his ear and they're- Yeah, all at once. I mean, that guy was really good. Yeah, that's what you're supposed, that is those guys that it's non-trivial. Or.

Starting point is 00:29:29 He, I don't believe can even come close to doing any of that. Or you could just go on Joe Rogan and take three hours and take your time and have a nice conversation and get some real information out of it. This is the problem with linear broadcast system. It's just not conducive anymore to what people want like tell me more instead of penguins So we go over to Kevin Hastert. He's the director of the National Economic Council. He showed up this morning on ABC this week And he had a number of interesting things to say so this is now that Stephanopoulos is going to focus on prices and taxes and prices and taxes and taxes and prices and Hassert is going to give him a piece of his mind.

Starting point is 00:30:16 Where do you base your conclusion that you're not going to see an increase in prices? Just about every economist who's looked at this said you are going to see an increase in prices, including Goldman Sachs, including JP Morgan, including the chairman of the Federal Reserve. Well, there might be some increase in prices, but the fact is that if there were going to be a heavy

Starting point is 00:30:31 burden on the US consumer, that this trade deficit that for 30 years we've seen really since China entered the WTO would be something that would have gone down, it would have gone down over time, it would have responded to the prices.

Starting point is 00:30:43 The bottom line is that China entered the WTO in 2000. In the 15 years that followed, real incomes declined about $1,200 cumulatively over that time. And so if cheap goods were the answer, if cheap goods were going to make Americans real wages,

Starting point is 00:30:56 real welfare better off, then real incomes would have gone up over that time. Instead, they went down because wages went down more than prices went down. So we got the cheap goods at the grocery store, but then we had fewer jobs. And that's why President Obama and Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi and President Trump have come out saying we've got to come up with a better

Starting point is 00:31:14 policy, a policy that treats our workers fairly compared to everybody else. And now President Trump, true to his word, just like he promised during the campaign, just like he put into his campaign platform, he's His delivery got his word. Okay. Hassard, by the way, was professor of economics at Columbia. I guess he also wrote a book. I don't know if he was, I don't have to know. It was in 1999.

Starting point is 00:31:42 Dow 36,000, the new strategy for profiting from the coming rise in the stock market. I don't think his track record is so good as it was published just before the dot com bubble burst. So- Well, it did go over 36,000. He was right about that. The timing, it's just timing.

Starting point is 00:32:02 I'm always, oh, I guess I get to say it, I'm always surprised. I'm amazed that people will be sending me, hey I know what the tariffs are about, nine trillion dollars has to be refied this year, there's three trillion coming up in April and May, this is probably what it's about. I'm like, yeah, did you listen to us on March 13th? Yeah, did you listen to us on March 13th? So we've already been all over this and it appears, certainly from the president's truth, untruth social, that he was hoping that the Federal Reserve would lower the interest rates and this came up. Yeah, he bitched about that.

Starting point is 00:32:43 Yeah, and was this a strategy? asks George. Also on truth social, the president retweeted a about that. Yeah, and was this a strategy? He asks George. Also on Truth Social, the president retweeted a post and said the market drop was part of a deliberate strategy to force the Fed to lower interest rates. Is that the president's strategy?

Starting point is 00:32:56 He just said it on Truth Social. Why are you asking if that's his strategy? If not, why did he post it? Yeah. He just posted it as a joke. Yeah, it was just gaffing. The bottom line is the president

Starting point is 00:33:10 has been talking about terrorists for 40 years. And this is like Ben absolutely the policy that he's focused on in the campaign and throughout his political career. And the cyclical cycle of the Fed, it comes and goes,

Starting point is 00:33:22 that's a different matter. But this is President Trump's desired policy, he's been arguing for it ever since I think he was on the view 30, 40 years ago. And the baseline tariffs is exactly what he put into the convention. So this is not a surprise for

Starting point is 00:33:36 anyone. Is it his strategy to force the Fed to lower interest rates and that the market crash was part of that strategy? We understand the Fed is an independent agency, we respect the independence of the Fed.

Starting point is 00:33:44 Yeah, but that's not good enough for me, is it a strategy? So that is his strategy, tank. We understand the Fed is an independent agency, we respect the independence of the Fed. Yeah, but that's not good enough for me, is it a strategy? So that is his strategy, tank the markets so the Fed lowers the rates. No, no, no. Well, you just said the President is allowed to have an opinion,

Starting point is 00:33:52 is that his opinion or not? Wow. Yeah, no, this guy's about to fall apart, this Hassett guy. Take the market, he's trying to deliver for American workers. I mean, what would you have him do? Again, real wages down 15 years at

Starting point is 00:34:05 a row under the previous policy, and that's why Americans voted for him. They brought him in to turn the economy around for the American worker, and that's what he's focused on. I'm just trying to get some

Starting point is 00:34:14 clarity, is that the president's strategy? No. I can't stand it, I want you to say it, say it, say it. Is that the president's strategy or not? He posted it.

Starting point is 00:34:21 He said the strategy is to lower, for the markets to crash, so the Fed lowers interest rates. Is that the president's strategy? It's not a strategy for the markets to crash, so the Fed lowers interest rates. Is that the President's strategy? It's not a strategy for the markets to crash. It is not a strategy for the markets to crash.

Starting point is 00:34:30 It's a strategy to create a gold wage in America for the American market. That's the strategy. JP Morgan says the risk of a recession has climbed to 60%. Your response? We just had one of the stronger

Starting point is 00:34:40 jobs reports I've seen in a long time. It was about 50% better than markets expected. It's the second one in a row. We've created already something like 10,000 auto jobs since President Trump took office. And I just got word, anecdotal word last night that auto plants are adding second shifts in the US in order to respond to this tariffs. And Nissan in particular.

Starting point is 00:35:01 What's that? Nissan. Nissan has a big factory here. They decided to double production or something. They figured they could really take advantage of the situation. So now I have a couple of tariff. Wait, wait, I have two more clips here. This is where Hassett makes a crucial mistake. And Stephanopoulos is going to hound him for it. But a tariff is a tax increase, isn't it?

Starting point is 00:35:16 A tariff is a form of tax. It's a way to collect revenue when you import products. Yes. So, I'm going to go ahead and start with the tariff. I'm going to start with him for it. But a tariff is a tax increase, isn't it? A tariff is a form of tax. It's a way that you collect revenue when you import products, yes. And consumers pay that tax,

Starting point is 00:35:31 correct? No, because it depends on supply and demand, elasticity, supply and demand. And again, if you thought consumers are going to pay that tax, then you should be puzzled about- Now he's saying tax.

Starting point is 00:35:41 Why does it, countries are upset about it? Well, I'm just I'm focused on the consumers right now. You've conceded the prices are going to go up. They might go up some but not nearly as much as you implied

Starting point is 00:35:54 in your piece. And the reason is that the supply isn't elastic in China. Again, I'll give you the simple example. If you have an apple tree that has 100 apples, and then you're paying a dollar at Apple, and

Starting point is 00:36:03 then there's a 10 cent tax. Then if you raise the price to $1.10, people reduce their demand. So maybe they only demand 90 apples, but then you got 10 apples left. And so what are you supposed to do with the 10 apples that nobody wants? So what happens is the suppliers have to lower the price of apples in order to get back to 100 and 100. And so the question is, is supply inelastic or not? And I think that by seeing persistent trade deficits year after year after year, then we can say, yeah, supply is supply inelastic or not? And I think that by seeing persistent trade deficits

Starting point is 00:36:25 year after year after year, then we can say, yeah, supply is very inelastic. So you're saying consumers are either gonna have to buy less or pay more, but the tariff is a tax, you can just concede it. No, what happens is that the supplier cuts this price so that the price is still a dollar, goodbye example. Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry, Hester.

Starting point is 00:36:41 You screwed that one up. You should've- The whole thing is screwed up. Never take the T word. Here's the question. You should turn these questions around on these interviewers. And one example is why is it, if it's, if it's the American consumer is going to pay more for something and it does

Starting point is 00:36:56 being a quasi tax, how come Ranger Rover, for example, who sends, I think a hundred thousand vehicles to the United States every year is out of a production of 400,000. They sent a hundred thousand vehicles to the United States. They decided to not send any because they don't want to pay the tariffs. You mean the tax. How does that work? Well, or just, I mean, as we discussed on the last show, the real thing you say is, well,

Starting point is 00:37:21 then why would China try and hurt its people with a 34% increase in tariffs? It's a tax. Are they trying to kill other people? That's another example. You can turn these questions around. Trump usually has guys that can do that. Yeah, but Husserl, he went to Apple's. No. Sorry, somebody needs some media training over there. That was not good. Yeah, he's no good.

Starting point is 00:37:46 That was not good. He's no good. Curry Dvorak Consulting Group is available. Being badgered by, of all people, Stephanopoulos. You can back him off by saying, you just keep repeating the same question over and over. What am I supposed to do? I'm going to answer it the same way. You're just going to bore people stiff with the same question over and over and over and

Starting point is 00:38:03 over until I change my answer? What are you doing here? Devorak for Commerce Secretary. I mean, Director of the National Economic Council, whatever. You could do it. You could do it. You could do it. You'd be good. All right. You had clips. I'm opening up for you. Yeah, I have a couple. I don't have a lot, but I have the tariff. Here's the rundown from NPR that's just a backup clip. This is a general overview. Businesses and stock markets around the world are reeling from President Trump's new 10% tariffs on nearly everything. The U.S. imports, those went into effect today.

Starting point is 00:38:35 25% tariffs on foreign-made autos are also in effect. That'll set Wall Street lower for its worst week in five years. China hit back, announcing a 34% tariff on all American goods. And fear Scott Horsley has more. For decades, Trump has nursed this grievance that other countries are taking advantage of the US. And he has a kind of steam driven nostalgia.

Starting point is 00:38:57 Hold on a second. I didn't catch this. This is a kind of a, oh, bull crap. This is a, oh, he's been nursing this grievance. And it's like as if other people are taking advantage. I mean, the way this is this haughty presentation of the facts. It's just, oh. We've been doing this for over 17 years. Will these people ever stop? Well, they don't listen to the show.

Starting point is 00:39:28 For decades, Trump has nursed his grievance that other countries are taking advantage of the US. And he has a kind of steam-driven nostalgia for the Gilded Age when the US was less globally connected. You heard him talk about that period before 1913. Why that year? That's when the US adopted the income tax. Now Trump wants to cut the income tax and replace some of that revenue with his new

Starting point is 00:39:53 tariffs. That would be good for wealthy Americans who would get most of the benefit of the tax cut, but it's not so good for lower income families who will have to pay more for imported food and clothes and other necessities. Yeah, I had to stop because the poor people won't be able to they're gonna have to pay more for their imported caviar. The poor people have to pay more for their imported food. What poor people eat imported food? They're eating they're eating stuff out of a bag with a barcode. Give me a break.

Starting point is 00:40:26 So, okay, good. I'm glad you got that. Here's a local report from CBS, I think in Florida, about the tax plan and the Senate seems like it's taking it up. Over the weekend, Senate Republicans are set to take a major step in the direction of passing President Trump's agenda, teeing up a vote later this year on a tax cut package paid for by cutting government spending. The bill would most likely include an extension of the president's signature legislative accomplishment from his first term, the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, which raised the standard

Starting point is 00:40:55 deduction for taxpayers but will expire at the end of this year if no action is taken. The bill could also accomplish other large pieces of Trump's agenda, including tax incentives he campaigned on, like no tax on tips, no tax on overtime, no tax on social security benefits, and raising the state and local tax deduction or salt cap. That sounds like nothing but tax cuts for rich people. But some of the plan's largest pieces haven't been ironed out yet, with Republicans still looking for ways to pay for some of these tax cuts. Democrats on Capitol Hill saying they will oppose the Republican plan and claim Republicans will cut Medicaid and other social services to cover the plan's cost. The job of the Democrats over the next 36 hours is to hold the Republicans' feet to the fire,

Starting point is 00:41:39 force them to tell the truth about what they want to do to the American economy and what they believe fairness is and that is a country that works for a handful of billionaires and lets everybody else eat dirt. Though this past week Republicans notched two victories in special elections in Florida, clawing back two vacant Republican-friendly seats, House Republicans still have an extremely slim majority in Congress. The horse trading necessary to reach an agreement that nearly all Republicans can support could prove to be extremely difficult. House Speaker Mike Johnson claims to have the smallest Republican majority in American

Starting point is 00:42:19 history and says he wants to pass the finished bill in the next couple of months. I didn't know it was the smallest majority in American history. That doesn't make any sense. It's pretty small, but if you're a reporter, he claims. Why don't you just look it up, reporter? It would take two seconds. Any of the AI search engines could do it. Is this the smallest majority in history? You look it up. Instead, you say, he claims.

Starting point is 00:42:51 It proved to be extremely difficult. House Speaker Mike Johnson claims to have the smallest Republican majority in American history and says he wants to pass the finished bill in the next couple of months. Timing that could prove to be extremely tricky. So imagine my surprise when I got this report from KTLA in Los Angeles. This is the local Jemoke guy. I was just surprised that he got... Local Jemoke.

Starting point is 00:43:14 That's an actual... Show title. That's a position within every newsroom. We go now to our local Jemoke in Los Angeles about the trade war. What's interesting about the super rich is back in the 19th century, early 20th century, much if not most of their wealth was tied to actual things, railroads, factories, that sort of thing. Nowadays, the super rich have their money almost exclusively in stocks.

Starting point is 00:43:42 So when the stock market does well, they get much richer. When the stock market has a bad day, like today, they get poorer. And that's obviously a big deal for them because these guys keep score in dollar signs. Now, what makes this more interesting is that President Trump has been largely immune to criticism from, well, the Hoy Ploy.

Starting point is 00:44:01 But he does listen to his peers in the millionaire and billionaire class I think it's a fair bet to say that a number of rich people will be calling the White House to say dude What's going on moreover worth pointing out? This is the wealthiest cabinet in the White House ever more billionaires sitting in that building than ever before It's hard not to think that more than one or two or walking down the hall to the Oval Office and saying, uh, Mr. President, sir, can I have a moment? Yeah, doesn't that say something? Local joke? I thought that was it. Now, contrast that with Senator Chuck Schumer.

Starting point is 00:44:37 And why is he doing these tariffs? Why would he do something like this? Because the Republican Party is in the vice grip of a group of very greedy billionaires. They have a billionaire bubble and they say, oh, by the way, he's got lots of alliteration. He's trying to launch all kinds of meme phrases. The billionaire bubble, a billionaire bubble, and they say, oh, all this money from terrorists could help make our taxes lower. It's a disgrace. It's an absolute disgrace. The amendment that we're doing calls for rescinding Trump's disastrous chaotic tariffs that are

Starting point is 00:45:13 hurting Americans. Everything's going to go up. Roastings, medicines, cars, gasoline, furniture, clothing. So far gasoline is down. Okay, everything will go up. Yeah, but there's been almost a collapse of the oil market. Yeah, I have a clip on that. So far gasoline is down. Okay. Everything is going up. Yeah, but there's been almost a collapse of the oil market. Yeah, I have a clip on that.

Starting point is 00:45:29 Let me just finish Schumer. You name it, it's going to go up because this is across the board, across the world. And by the way, businesses hate this, not just big businesses, small businesses. They need certainty. Small businesses. I got a text from Justin at Opie Way. You know, he started Pearl Boot after their Opie Way shoe company. America Made Shoes got devastated by the hurricane in North Carolina.

Starting point is 00:45:58 You know what he said? He said, I hate Trump for doing this. I can't believe he's trying to make it easy for me to start a business without competition. I'm a small businessman. I hate it. And when they hear about... What? Let's say we have a kennel that's doing well.

Starting point is 00:46:16 Of course. ...certainty. And when they hear about all these tariffs coming in, they don't hire any new people. They don't expand any services. They don't hire any new people. They don't expand any services. They don't build a new plant. They say, oh these tariffs are coming. I've got to keep my money in my pocket. Literally building a new factory, a mini factory, but a factory. Schumer has never worked a day in his life. He's been in the on the public dole. He's rich. Here we go. The whole thing. He's just bull... I don't

Starting point is 00:46:43 understand why they haven't gotten rid of him by now. I don't know what photos he's got, but how he stays in office. Let's wind it up with the meme of the week. Well, before you wind it up, I have a couple more. I have 12 seconds. I have 12 seconds left on the screen. No, I'm saying you're winding up the whole topic. No, no, I'm winding up Schumer.

Starting point is 00:47:02 No, Schumer. I have OPEC, whatever you want. Let's finish Schumer because he's going to wind it up with the meme of the week. There is so poorly planned that he's taxing penguins, not Putin. Taxing penguins, not Putin. There it is everybody. Because the tax is levied on the herd in McDonald Islands, where only penguins live, but he's leaving Russia alone.

Starting point is 00:47:27 Schumer is behind all this. That's so weak. Yeah, but Schumer is behind these types of things. This guy- He stinks at it. Well, yeah, remember the scripted thing that all the senators were doing? He totally stinks at it. I have two clips from Bloomberg about the OPEC if you want it, or want to do something else. I think we OPEC's not well I wanted to

Starting point is 00:47:49 play this is obscure this I'm sure you don't have or know about. These are two clips about T-MU. Did you hear about what this is? I don't know why this has been overlooked this is something you could really drive home and really upset people with. Yeah. Team who's dead and this executive order that I didn't know about that hasn't been played up in the media for reasons unknown to me because I think it's a good- The below $800? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:48:19 Yeah. No, I think we talked about it. Well, it's fairly new, but I think this presentation is quite good. A head spinning week for the economy. Hold on a second. I mean, come on, man. Can't you just put it on the clip like Scott is coming? Suffer and succotash. I'm Scott.

Starting point is 00:48:44 Simon. A head spinning week for the economy. By the way, stop, stop. Who put that little, what is the point of the, of the air horn in the middle of the, I'm Scott Hawks. What is the point of anything on this show, John? What is the point? A head spinning week for the economy. President Trump's tariffs hitting just about every

Starting point is 00:49:05 nation and every industry. Here's something that got less attention. The president also moved to close a popular loophole known as the de minimis rule. Yeah, de minimis. It allows millions of US shoppers to buy products, everything from shoes and underwear, lamps and tools. Don't you remember that the postal service says we're not going to be delivering these packages and then they turned it around all of a sudden after this executive order came

Starting point is 00:49:29 out? It was the oddest thing. This whole thing is fairly odd, but I've been thinking about this because I like these cheap, I think AliExpress, Tmoo. You love USB sticks. It's junk. But the thing is you get this crap. It comes straight from China and it comes pretty quickly. And I think there's some sort of a deal with them.

Starting point is 00:49:52 Well, they have their own, um, now they have their own warehouses in America, Tmoo. So this junk comes in by the boatload and you order like 20 items and the whole comes in by the boatload and you order like 20 items and the whole bill is like 40 bucks and 10 of the items are garbage and the other ones you go well I don't know maybe this is I have to reiterate you know Tina buys all kinds of clothing stuff you, it's probably in the $70 range, $40, $45, $75 range. And this is what, so many women do this,

Starting point is 00:50:31 they'll order five pieces and they're going to send four back. And now it's at the point where, and I'm sure this is all coming from China, Vietnam, etc. where the company will say, if you don't send it back to us, we'll give you a 110% credit of what you paid. I mean, that's got to stop at a certain point.

Starting point is 00:50:56 They don't want the returns. No, because it's junk. Directly from retailers in China and Hong Kong. Till now you could make those purchases without paying import taxes. That's about to change. And Pierre's Brian Mann has been following this. Brian, thanks for being with us. Hi there, Scott.

Starting point is 00:51:15 How big is closing this loophole? Well, Scott, it's huge really in two ways. First, it's going to affect a lot of American consumers have come to rely on big Chinese e-commerce firms like Shien and Temu for a lot of American consumers have come to rely on big Chinese e-commerce firms like Shien and Temu for a lot of low cost products. As you mentioned, this is everything from fast fashion to toys and tools. These companies have built global brands marketing on social media platforms like Instagram and TikTok, where influencers celebrate when their packages arrive. Check out my latest Shien haul. Valley flats are trending and this quilted pair has a great cushion sole.

Starting point is 00:51:48 With marketing like that Scott, over the last decade, US shoppers fell in love with these companies. Direct-to-consumer international shipments exploded to around $54 billion in sales last year. Wow. Roughly 4 million packages coming every day. What's going to change with Trump's new executive order? So under this de minimis rule, shoppers who place orders worth under 800 bucks, and you

Starting point is 00:52:10 can get a lot of low cost dresses or office supplies for that amount, they haven't until now been hit with duties or taxes. And they also get their packages really fast because they haven't had to wait for the usual customs and inspection process. But under the president's executive order, that's going to come to a screeching halt May 2nd. Every package will now face a tariff of 30%. Eventually anything consumers order in this way is going to face a minimum fee of 50 bucks.

Starting point is 00:52:37 And remember, if you're buying a $2 t-shirt or a $10 skirt, that amount of tax is a huge markup. Yeah, May 2nd. Okay. I thought that this had already gone into effect. Is this a new report? Yeah, this came yesterday. Okay. This is good.

Starting point is 00:52:53 Yeah, May 2nd. So get your orders in, people. Order your junk. Get your dresses, your cheap dresses and everything. Hey, man. There's going to be a boom. They make good comros. I'm doing you.

Starting point is 00:53:07 No, I'm talking about the Chinese making cameras. They make Nikon cameras and other cameras. Yeah, cameras. Cameras. Which is, I'm just saying they can make high quality products. I'm not saying Tmoo and Shien and the other operations are making quality products. It's junk and it's probably toxic junk. Wouldn't supply don't. Well, a lot of it stinks. I think there was an ad for WeatherTech that basically has the kids wearing masks, the

Starting point is 00:53:35 gas masks when they bought the Chinese junk. All right. Because a lot of this stuff does stink. Oh yeah. It's nasty. One thing that's interesting here, a study published last year predicts this change is going to cost Americans more than $10 billion a year in higher prices with much of that burden hitting them.

Starting point is 00:53:54 What is that all about? This is like, this is assuming they're going to keep buying stuff at 50 bucks minimum. You know, we have to pay 50 bucks over the top and then all the rest of it, plus the tariffs and you have to wait. It's not going to cost the American public 10 billion dollars. The American public is not going to spend a nickel. No, the American public is going to go, I don't need that junk. It's no longer cheap junk. It's just junk. So this is a bull crap number. Well, but this is... Saved or created. Created, yeah.

Starting point is 00:54:26 With much of that burden hitting lower income shoppers. Oh, there we go again. The lower income... The poor people. The poor people. The poor income people. The poor people. Of course.

Starting point is 00:54:39 Buying directly from Chinese and Hong Kong retailers is so popular in America. Why change the rule? Yeah, that's a great question. Great question. Great question. And a lot of President Trump's tariffs have obviously been controversial, but this move actually has broad bipartisan support backing from a bunch of different public safety and industry groups.

Starting point is 00:54:58 And they have really two arguments. First, they say this has been unfair competition, all these cheap, untaxed goods flooding American markets, pricing out U.S. manufacturers. Second, government officials believe a lot of illegal stuff, including street fentanyl, the drug, is coming across the border, hidden in these packages. I spoke about this with Kimberly Glass. She heads the National Council of Textile Organization. That's a trade group that supports U.S. clothesmakers.

Starting point is 00:55:25 It's regrettably facilitated fentanyl and other illicit products like forced labor products to our front doors on our steps, baby's products that are failing to meet FDA standards. Now I should say these big e-commerce companies like Shian and Temu say they do have ethical supply chains and quality control. But what we know is that this change, it's going to be a huge blow to their business model. Brian, this executive order only affects shipments from China and Hong Kong. What about products that are sold directly from other countries?

Starting point is 00:55:58 Yeah. So for now, shoppers can still buy directly from retailers shipping from other countries like Bangladesh, India and Vietnam. But the Trump administration has signaled that it plans to close these de minimis loopholes in the months ahead for the entire globe. They're phasing this in slowly because it turns out it's a big challenge for us customs and border protection to process and tax all these millions of packages.

Starting point is 00:56:25 All right. I'm, I'm feeling there was a very long game being played here. And this goes back to the TikTok ban, which by the way, not a lot of talk of China stealing our information anymore. I just don't see that. I guess it's not important anymore. It was the most important thing ever. And so I remember that there was a carve-out. There was a carve-out from from shopping sites like Tmoo. There was a carve-out from review sites. This is from the what you found very tedious Supreme Court decision about TikTok. Even if you could get just to the data security question, again, you'd have to ask the question, would this law have been passed by Congress for data security reasons? Because you're being asked to uphold a law based on that single governmental interest.

Starting point is 00:57:16 And when you look through the provisions, like the content recommendation algorithm provision, like the covered company provisions, the answer is no. And if you're still in doubt on that, just go back to the under inclusiveness problem what a Congress really worried about these very dramatic risks leave out an e-commerce site like Temu that has 70 million Americans using it and every bit the connection Congress has to go all or nothing on that I mean it doesn't have to go all or nothing they isolate a particular problem. So that was part of the carve out is TiMu.

Starting point is 00:57:48 And I think now considering that the number one retailer, as we know TikTok is really the TikTok shop, is now last minute bid with an extension, which will last around May or beyond May. I'm thinking they totally screwed the Chinese. And here's the Amazon bid. Tick tock saved for now.

Starting point is 00:58:11 Today President Trump saying he will sign an executive order to keep tick tock running in the US for another 75 days in order to give time to American investors interested in buying the social media platform. Trump posting on

Starting point is 00:58:25 Truth Social, we do not want TikTok to go dark. We look forward to working with TikTok and China to close the deal, adding how China is not happy about tariffs he says are necessary for trade. TikTok going dark back in January for a few hours, which created confusion, especially for the many small business owners that rely on the app. It completely went down voluntarily because it had not been sold off. And users in the US, 170 million of them, could not use TikTok. And it created pandemonium. Users started flocking to rival social networks. The Trump administration then set an April 5th deadline for the app to be banned in the US

Starting point is 00:59:04 if it wasn't sold by its Chinese-owned parent company, ByteDance. The issue, TikTok's algorithm and its national security concerns over China's ownership of the app. There are concerns about not just the data privacy, but about what people see using TikTok. And according to reports, TikTok will still own the algorithm. And that's mixing up what people see. And that raises different concerns.

Starting point is 00:59:25 Sources say there are several investors interested in jumping in to purchase TikTok including Amazon, Oracle and Applovin. TikTok is not only popular with users, but also e-commerce. TikTok shop reportedly makes an estimated 30 billion dollars worth of sales globally and about 9 billion in the US. I think the president screwed the Chinese on this. I think you might be right because what happened with the 54 billion of Tmoo, that's what they make plus 30 billion here, you're getting to the hundred billion dollar mark yearly and it's a, Shien hasn't even been mentioned, whatever they make. This whole thing may be interlocked.

Starting point is 01:00:06 It sure feels like it. And you know, everyone's like, Oh, it'll be, believe me, TikTok is not interesting for the social aspect other than social shopping. That's what they do. Okay. It's great for the show. Oh, I can't believe I said that. Great for the show.

Starting point is 01:00:22 It's great for the show because it makes you happy. It makes you happy. That's because it makes you happy.. It's great for the show. It's great for the show because it makes you happy. It makes you happy. Come on. Just because it makes you happy, so it's great for the show. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. But think about the, it's like China. Okay, listen, either you sell it to Amazon and the president has said, and we're going

Starting point is 01:00:40 to be part owner of it. That's what he kept saying. Oh, we're going to have $500 billion. I don't know about that, but we're going to be part owner of it. That's what he kept saying. Oh, $500 billion. I don't know about that, but we're going to be part owner. If not, screw you then. Goodbye. There goes that. So Amazon seems to be the one. Amazon may be part of this whole scheme because Amazon is the one that's hurt the most by Tmoo and Shee. Yeah. At least other people are hurt by them too. But Amazon I think has hit hard because of all the junk,

Starting point is 01:01:14 besides the clothing, the junk tools and the junk, this and junk. It's just junk. Where Amazon normally would be the one selling the same junk. And I've pointed this out with a, with a mouse that I bought from one of these operators. I think about it from Ali Express, a little gorg, a fabulous mouse. Fabulous. It was five bucks direct from China. I got a copy. There it is. I have it here.

Starting point is 01:01:41 And the, and this is the same mouse I bought a year earlier from Amazon for $11. And the difference of $5 and $11 for the exact same product is pretty substantial. Technology companies in general is going to be very interesting what's happening and where I kind of made a flippant remark about turning off our social networks to Europe Yeah, I think I think this there's something going on This is you know France and the UK are now teaming up teaming up because we got a combat which stopped buying American products Oh, wait a minute. They're not actually made in America. Under their star-spangled banner, the United States is home to a constellation of brands,

Starting point is 01:02:30 many of which can be found in France. Mobile phones, groceries, and everyday goods. Could these items soon be taxed by the European Union in retaliation to President Donald Trump's sweeping new trade policies? Many American products are part of daily lives in France, including almonds, of which California is the largest producer. Now President Trump has slapped a 10% tariff on most imports

Starting point is 01:02:53 and raised the EU levy rate to 20%. These are products that I consume on a regular or daily basis. We'll probably have to rethink the way we shop. Honest, if it becomes too expensive, I won't buy these products anymore. That's the product the French people most are made in. That key, of course, I won't buy, which is what people keep overlooking. If it's too expensive, I won't buy it. And by the way, who eats almonds every day?

Starting point is 01:03:19 But wait, what products are they not going to buy? Where are they made? The way we shop? Honnestly, if it becomes too expensive, I won't buy these products anymore. But the products the French consume most are made in other countries. For example, iPhones are made in China, and American athletic brand Nike has factories across Southeast Asia. For certain fast food chains or sweet drinks, production is even located in France. Pepsi, M&M, Ariel and Coca-Cola are all made in the country so their costs shouldn't be affected. Bank of America analysts say among the global panic there is some good news. Commodity prices are falling for the first time in four

Starting point is 01:03:58 years. Oil prices have fallen to an average of 65 US dollars per barrel, the same for wheat and cotton. The EU's answer to President Trump could be American big tech. One option is to target social media platforms and streaming services with regulations and other restrictions. I say cut them off. That would be so funny. Cut them off. Just sorry.

Starting point is 01:04:22 Then, you know, remember when these things first came into play maybe about 10 years ago with the digital regulations that when I was in Europe, you go to a website and it would say, sorry, what is it? GPR, GDRP. Yeah, some regulation. Yeah, GDRP. That's what it is. Yeah, some regulation. Yeah, GDRP, that's what it is.

Starting point is 01:04:50 About information that you have on people and you have to adhere to certain guidelines or rules really. So now they're going to try, because of, there's a lot of money that comes into America from Europe based on you know from Meta and Google and Some from X I'm sure and I like her soft and Microsoft operating system still you think somebody I Mentioned this to me me the other day. I said, you know, so During the rescue of the astronauts. Mm-, that Elon Musk had started SpaceX from scratch, basically, by taking a bunch of NASA people and putting them together, and all of a sudden,

Starting point is 01:05:32 they have the best rocket you can buy, pretty much, because we were buying our rocket engines from Russia for years. And so now we make our own, and it's better than anybody else's. I'm thinking, is this going on? And they've got the capsules, we've got all this stuff. And we can't find somebody to make a new operating system? Well, we have- I mean, it seems to me we've got the ability to just build a space program from scratch and somebody can't come along and beat windows. We have Linux.

Starting point is 01:06:01 Besides Linux, which stinks. No, it doesn't. It doesn't stink. Oh, then why aren't you using it? I do use Linux. Besides Linux, which stinks? No, it does. It doesn't stink. Oh, then why aren't you using it? I do use Linux. I can't use it in the studio because the stupid Australians won't give us drivers that work with Linux. But otherwise, yeah, I do use Linux all the time.

Starting point is 01:06:18 Yeah, but I'm just saying as an example, you can't use it for the production of this show. You are using Libra Office? I use a lot of public, I use a lot of these things, but it's beside the point. Why don't we just get rid of, Windows is still dominates. Can't we get rid of Windows? It's gone bad. It's no good. In fact, what's the deal with, oh, Windows 10 is going to be the last Windows you ever need. And now I keep getting these whole screen messages. you got to move to windows 11 it won't work anymore I promise where's the lawsuit on this where's somebody coming out with a lawsuit because they promise that windows 10 was it that's right windows 10 I'm not I have not upgraded even though they keep telling me I should because it's going to end it won't work anymore

Starting point is 01:07:02 I'm gonna wake up one day do the show and the show won't be there. This is, this is illegal. Where's the FTC when it comes to this, they made a verbal, they said it in public that the windows 10 is the last windows. You don't remember this. About five years ago when they first brought out windows 10, they said, oh, windows 10 is it, this is the end. Now it's just going to be upgrades of Windows 10. You're going to live a fabulous life. The term Windows and fabulous life just not does not go together no matter what.

Starting point is 01:07:37 Interesting. Well, I'd like to have some clip of that. I believe you, without a doubt. But of course, the same was said for Vista. Vista. Which turned out to be pretty good in hindsight. Yeah but that only lasted like three years or two years. We've got bad PR at the beginning it was poorly done. It was a crap name. It was a crap name. Vista, yeah, Vista. Vista, Vista. Okay, since they were talking about consumers, consumers saying, no, no, I just won't buy these products, which is exactly what will happen. Over in Washington state, Como, Como, the big Como,

Starting point is 01:08:20 they seem like they were, which is home of Costco, they were really trying to spark some kind of hype, panic, panic buying. And the people in Washington went, no, not really. Carting away like normal, but for how long? For how long? At Costco and Shoreline, many shoppers told Como they worried more about the result of panic buying than the pumped up prices. Or just like an extra luxury item. It's not really necessary. If you were smart enough you would have already been prepared and have non-perishable foods anyway. According to the manager of this store,

Starting point is 01:08:56 everything has been normal so far. In fact, he told us the overall Costco company, of course, based in Issaquah, doesn't expect a major impact from tariffs and customers agreed. It's always been busy. I don't know a day that's not busy at Costco. Well everything is normal at this store. Economists tell Como overall panic buying is still a possibility. Possibility. Costs go up for pretty much anything. These tariffs started off very targeted, but they've become quite broad. Yet in Shoreline, customers told us it's not time to panic buy, and it never is. I don't think anyone needs to like go and run and clear out the Costco. That's probably not healthy for our community.

Starting point is 01:09:39 This is the actual problem. This is what freaks the rest of the world out, is that the American public may just become a little more frugal. We may just wake up one day and go, you know, this kind of junk, my house is filled with junk. My kids got junk plastic toys. I got junk everywhere. It's just, I got junk, internet of things everywhere. It's just junk. It's junk and I'm sick of the junk and if that really happens, whoa baby, because we are the consumer of the world. We buy everyone's junk. Yeah, we can stop. I think we might. I think that's what everybody's worried about. It goes up in price.

Starting point is 01:10:25 You know, junk has to be cheap. Yes. I want to play that. That's why I think that, you know, now, T-Mu and she and those guys are big enough that they should be able to relocate to Vietnam or do something else and still stay in business. It's going to be a moment where they can't, but I mean you just can't do that instantly. Well,

Starting point is 01:10:49 Vietnam. Chinese are fast at putting buildings up. They're faster than we are by a lot. Vietnam is talking about zero tariffs. They're already like, Oh, Vietnam is caved. Yeah. Well,

Starting point is 01:10:59 the smart money. Vietnam is one of the smartest countries in the world. They have that one of the highest literacy rates of all civilized nations. There's something like 97%. It's very high. Wow. That's more than us. It's way more than us. Yeah. And not only that, but many are bilingual. There's a, they speak English, they speak Vietnamese, and it's a very smart country with a lot of craftsmen. And it's kind of always under with a lot of craftsmen and

Starting point is 01:11:29 It's kind of always underrated because of the government itself the government is Communist and so it doesn't Quite get it I want to play this This these Bloomberg clips about OPEC because I have some questions for you OPEC decision was really kind of the second blow to oil prices yesterday We were already trading a bit lower. And the way it worked out during the trading day here in the Middle East, the OPEC announcement came hours after people were already digesting the tariff decision,

Starting point is 01:11:56 which had happened Wednesday in the U.S., but people woke up to it on Thursday here in the region. So we were already trading lower because of concerns about those tariffs, increasing inflation, hurting economic activity, which is something that we've been dealing with throughout this year really. Oil has been very volatile already, but staying in that range, and we just kind of went way below that.

Starting point is 01:12:20 We lost about 7% give or take yesterday because that OPEC increase was much higher than expected. We expected OPEC to kind of roll over the increase that we're seeing here in April. Okay, now the question is, why did they do this? And I thought this was interesting. Why did OPEC decide to bring forward the timing of the extra barrel production to the market? Why did they do this now? Yeah, so it had been a long kind of convoluted formula to bring this oil production back

Starting point is 01:12:48 and really they're bringing up basically three times as much, so three months of increase in one basically. So as you say, bringing that forward, we're still unwinding some of those voluntary cuts that some of the OPEC plus members have made and they're looking at inventory, seeing them not as high maybe as they thought. Of course, one of the factors that we've been looking at all along really since COVID has been the recovery of China, that demand there is still sluggish not coming back as much as they would have wanted to support the market. But we're not seeing that build up in inventories. Perhaps also there's some thinking by OPEC that a lot of the members

Starting point is 01:13:23 had been cheating on their quotas anyway, overproducing anyway. So maybe these quotas kind of grow into the production, as you will, for some of those producers. And then there's the idea that they have been losing market share with the Trump administration that wants to increase production. Now whether that's going to happen or not because of the low oil prices, that's another question. Maybe OPEC trying to forestall some of that by bringing down the price a little bit here.

Starting point is 01:13:48 The oil baron keeps saying, no, we're not going to drill. We're not going to drill baby drill. And yet, look at what's happening. Is this our friends in Saudi Arabia? I think it's a combination of things. I think one, that they're afraid that we are going to drill and that's going to force prices down so they decided to put the screws to us by lowering prices. Thanks.

Starting point is 01:14:12 And by increasing the output. The other possibility is that Trump has actually talked to them and said, look, you got to get this down so you can- Hey, Saudi Arabia, what's that in your mouth? You know, we got to, it also puts a little pressure on Russia because they're making all their money on, uh, still making a lot of money on petroleum. It's just, it's probably a combination of things, but definitely coming down, it's going to keep, uh, gasoline prices lower, lower everything.

Starting point is 01:14:39 And especially if it can get down to below 60, that would be great. That really hurts American oil though. I've always Well, if they're not planning on drilling in the first place what difference does it make? Yeah, yeah, but below 65 apparently is hurtful It's what I've always understood. Oh the poor babies Hey, the oil remember the oil baron sold his ranch for 15 million. Yeah, what is he bitching about? Oh, he's not bitching. He's okay. He's okay. He's not crying.

Starting point is 01:15:13 He bought a new ranch already. I mean, just take a look at Exxon mobile stock. It's ridiculously high. I will say, I had some AI experience and I'm going to tell you that I actually think this, I can't believe I'm going to say this, this agentic AI, agentic AI. Yeah, well, the trial didn't last long, from manus.im, manus, M-A-N-U-S dot I-M, and what agentic AI is, the way I see what it's doing, is you say, okay, I need something done. And it fires up a computer. It even, I mean, I presume it says,

Starting point is 01:16:10 starting the computer. So it starts a computer, it starts a browser. It does, it does. But it's like pulling a rope and it's just cranking. Well that's like, yeah, it's like starting a, you know, an AWS. Yeah, you start up a little computer. It starts. It's, it's already running, but anyway, go on. Just, I just, I'm sorry, I'm into the semantics.

Starting point is 01:16:32 Yeah, you are into the semantics, but I'm just telling you what it says. It says, okay, I'm starting the computer. It starts a web browser and it tells you what it's doing. And you see the URLs as it's searching for stuff. And then, you know, what AI does quite well is creating summaries and stuff like that. But here's where I think it's going. So it's basically an agent. You tell this agent, go and do something, something I could do.

Starting point is 01:16:57 I could do it myself and I can find all these things and I can search for it. But why don't I pay three bucks for it? And the problem of course is that it's three bucks every single time you ask for something. This is very expensive, this this agentic AI. But you can even say, hey, I have a repetitive task. I have to go to this website, I have to click all these different buttons. Can you do it for me? Yes. And then it opens up the browser, the computer's browser for you, and you can do click, click, click, click. It's basically like creating a macro.

Starting point is 01:17:31 And I think if there's anything AI will do besides the just most wonderful fake videos and pictures and whatever, which is what you'd expect from something that's basically built on GPUs. We know it's good at that. It's kind of a scripting macro tool. The question is, how much will it really cost? Now, at a certain point, if you're going to use this, do you wind up paying $20,000 a year and that is thus cheaper than a $45,000 a year person? But I don't see it going much further than this.

Starting point is 01:18:12 But that part I have to say is cool because you can just, it can do stuff that you want it to replicate. And so in that case it's an agent. I'm going to stop you. What is it you had to do that it was so important that you were so impressed? Spinning up a web, a streaming radio station and I want to replicate it so I wanted to start up the same one different instances and there's no way to do it with the streaming radio station. And so you have to do a whole bunch of things with custom crossfades, custom processing,

Starting point is 01:18:55 custom playlists. And it would take me about an hour, an hour and a half to do that if I wanted to replicate that. And so now I just tell the thing to do it and it costs me about $2.50. If that's the real price, I mean that that's what they're charging now. I mean, once it really comes down to, we got to make money. It may cost too much. Then that, and that I was impressed with that, but it's not,

Starting point is 01:19:20 you have the same agent do your RSS feeds. Um, well now that's a good question. Um, yeah, I, I wouldn't see why not. You mean, so I, now you have a little sub product there. Oh no, that's what I'm saying. But how much will it cost? I don't believe that they're really charging, you know, I think they're going for market share here. Yeah, so you think that they're under,

Starting point is 01:19:50 that they're shipping money with every time you give them three bucks, they're actually giving you $100 with a product. So you get the free trial, it's a thousand credits, give me a thousand credits. Well, that blew off in like three minutes. And like, okay, but I really want to try this. I said, well, let me buy some credits.

Starting point is 01:20:08 So you go $39 a month, I fully expected to cancel. $39 is more than chat GPT. Now that's almost double chat GPT. And really, if I needed to do this on a regular basis, you have to go to the $290 a month. At that point, it's like, I'll do it myself. And I think that they're still shipping off money to me while doing that. I just can't believe that that's profitable.

Starting point is 01:20:38 But you don't know for sure. Don't know for sure. But they've got a lot of VC investments. So we know the Silicon Valley strategy. So it's really not, we know that the DeepSeq model or however they're doing it, the training doesn't seem to be so expensive, supposedly. We'll see, you know, the Mag7 problem, as Besson said, versus the MAGA problem. But all these data centers were there in the wrong place. They need to be closer.

Starting point is 01:21:08 They need to be cheaper. It's really going to be hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars just to fire up expensive computers. I don't know if that model will work. Maybe better if I bought the model and use it in my own home. I don't know. But that thing, that's interesting. That does work. And I can see where repetitive tasks that no one

Starting point is 01:21:32 ever built to fix the stupidity, this is a shortcut. It seems like it works. I was surprised by that. So I will relent a little bit, but AI is not going to take over the world and eat the universe. Yeah. Oh, yes. Well, I'm glad you're happy. Well, I'm marginally happy. I thought the price was steep. Price was steep. What. Price was steep. I was like, yeah.

Starting point is 01:22:05 What's your time worth? I got nothing but time, man. What are you talking about? I got nothing but time. But then you don't need to buy anything. So let's talk about the dead bees. We were gonna do that in the last show. Yes, finally, finally.

Starting point is 01:22:21 Before we all die, let's talk about the bees. You have, where is it here? You have two dead bee clips. Dead bee. Dead bee. The beekeeping industry is in crisis over the shocking and unexplained deaths of hundreds of millions of bees over the last eight months. It could impact all of us as bees called the backbone of agriculture, are responsible for pollinating more than

Starting point is 01:22:45 a third of the nation's crops and current losses are unsustainable. Janet Chamlee has more on this stinging decline. This is what an unfolding disaster looks like in the US beekeeping industry. Each of these hives can hold as many as 80,000 bees. But for reasons no one can pinpoint, the bees in all these hives can hold as many as 80,000 bees, but for reasons no one can pinpoint, the bees in all these hives and tens of thousands more have turned up dead. Have you ever seen it this bad? Never, not even close.

Starting point is 01:23:14 The data is showing us that this is the worst bee loss in recorded history. Blake Shook is one of the nation's top beekeepers. He owns Desert Creek Honey and several other beekeeping businesses. One of them is rebuilding dead hives and he's receiving an alarming number of them. Where are they from? Yeah these are from North Dakota that we're looking at right here. Over there we've got Florida, back here we've got Georgia, I've got California over in that corner. These play a critical role in US food production. In addition to making honey, they pollinate 75%

Starting point is 01:23:47 of the fruits, nuts, and vegetables grown in the US. It feels like I've heard this story before. Yeah, this is why we came up in the conversation after the show, when we did some of these clips. Yes, we had the bee die off, I think, 10 years ago. I have a 47 second clip from 2014 2014 here we go. Oregon leaders are taking action as thousands and thousands of bees are dying likely from pesticides It's a big concern because insects especially honey bees pollinate about a third of what we eat There you go. Same same report only they had an immediate culprit, which was pesticides.

Starting point is 01:24:28 Yeah, they don't have the culprit for this one. And also that period, the 2014 bee die-off, they also found some sort of mite, some little bug that was on the bees. And they thought it might have not been the pesticides at all but this might it was causing nothing but trouble they haven't identified anything with these bees are working on it but this is a worse than before and it's not a mean it could be just unnecessary panic but this is a it's interesting here we go at part two that's 15 billion dollars worth of crops. If this is a multi-year thing, it'll change the way we consume food in the United States. That's a pretty significant statement. It's huge. It's huge. I mean if we lose 80% of our bees every year, the industry cannot survive,

Starting point is 01:25:18 which means we cannot pollinate at the scale that we need to produce food in the United States. So what's causing the deaths and why now? So these are dead bees in there and they have always an identifier for a project. Julianna Rangel is an entomologist at Texas A&M University. She showed us the lab where they've been studying the bees. One potential explanation is that over the last few years we've seen some locations across the US that have had lower forage available for bees. So when they're supposed to be blooming, let's say in April, they're blooming either earlier in the year or later in the year. And so we have these food deserts basically in the summer and fall that the bees sometimes cannot withstand.

Starting point is 01:26:01 Back at Shook's Bee Farm, here we go with the hood, we suited up for a look at his commercial operation. Okay, you ready? Yep. All right, the first thing we do is smoke the entrance and that calms the bees down. This is what a healthy hive looks like. And then in the center here, this is where the baby bees are raised. These just returned from California where the bees were used to pollinate almonds. Why are honey bees were used to pollinate almonds. Why are honey bees so essential to pollinating the almond crops? With honey bees, almonds produce 2 to 3,000 pounds per acre.

Starting point is 01:26:33 Without bees, they produce 200 pounds per acre. So there is no almond crop without honey bees. Beekeeping groups say the losses may put as many as 25 percent of commercial operations out of business by year's end with wide-reaching impact. I got a call from a friend who has 20,000 beehives at the start of winter and he's at less than a thousand and he said this is it. I'm done.

Starting point is 01:26:57 Hmm. Well. Yep. Yep. There's our bad news. They're killing the bees. They're killing the bees. They're killing the bees. How about, uh, got two funny M5M clips.

Starting point is 01:27:12 This is, uh, actually this is not even, it's not even that funny. It's more puzzling. The FCC is asking for the public's input on its idea to revise or eliminate some regulations on TV station ownership. The initiative is called Delete, Delete, Delete. The FCC chairman says he wants to promote local journalism by eliminating long-standing rules that put limits on ownership. Our parent company, Nextstar, believes this will help local news survive and stay competitive

Starting point is 01:27:44 into the future. What? The FCC is accepting comments from the public through April 14th. For more information, you can visit yourvoice.nxst.io. Now, in what world will... What? In what world will more big corporations owning more stations, how will that stimulate local news? I don't believe it for a second.

Starting point is 01:28:11 It doesn't have any bearing. This is bull crap. So is this... This is one of those, yeah, if we do it this way, it'll be better. But just saying it's going to be better doesn't mean it's going to be better. And if it's illogic... But again... That's involved, which is what we have here.

Starting point is 01:28:25 Again, long game. What if this is the administration going, yeah, yeah, you guys can own anything you want. Go ahead, it's going to make news great. I mean, here's an example of what this results in. This is a supercut from only a handful of very large corporations who own all the media. Yeah, I hear you screaming Black Rock owns everything. Sure. This is the Maryland man supercut. The critical hearing today in the case of a Maryland father mistakenly sent to that notorious prison in El Salvador. Attorneys for the Maryland man who was mistakenly

Starting point is 01:29:07 deported to a prison in El Salvador are making another push for his return today. The Trump administration heads to federal court today after being accused of wrongfully deporting a Maryland father to El Salvador. The Maryland man deported to El Salvador, Africa, an administrative error. There is actually a court hearing involving

Starting point is 01:29:23 the Maryland father. The Maryland father's case is in court. And happening now a hearing for a Maryland man. Details about a Maryland man. Tonight, the Maryland man. The Maryland man. Maryland father with protected legal status. The Maryland father with protected status.

Starting point is 01:29:38 The Maryland father with protected legal status. The Maryland father with protected legal status. The Maryland father. That Maryland father. A Maryland father. The Maryland father. A Maryland status. The Maryland father. That Maryland father. A Maryland father. The Maryland father. A Maryland father. A Maryland father.

Starting point is 01:29:49 A Maryland father. A Maryland father. One of the things that struck me was the lawyer for the Maryland man saying, there is no such thing as a removal order to nowhere. More of that, please. More of that. Let him own everything. That's exactly what you'd end up with. More of that, please. More of that. Let them own everything.

Starting point is 01:30:05 That's exactly what you'd end up with. It's already with Sinclair Broadcasting is the worst case of that. Yes, they are bad. They are bad. I mean, they're supposed to be the conservative network. They're in Austin, I think. They're in Austin. Sinclair? I thought they were in the Northeast. No, I think they're Austin. Austin headquarters, or they were. By the way, all of this, you know, deported the wrong guy. My favorite is the gay hairdresser. There's no evidence that the gay hairdresser was thrown into the El Salvador jail. I have not seen any true evidence of this. Just talk. Have you seen anything no none whatsoever even here's

Starting point is 01:30:45 the poor gay hair the poor gay hairdresser which had was all tatted up so that must make is why they did it because they're there didn't they're careless and Holman is careless well here's the thing MS-13 has no hair MS-13 has no hair. That's a good point. None of those guys have hair. They're all bald. They're all bald. That's part of the look. But I hear all these,

Starting point is 01:31:14 deported wrongly, made a mistake, clerical error, blah, blah, blah. But I don't see... You gay hair. Why is the media not highlighting crying children of Maryland men and gay hair, well, gay hairdresser, maybe not, don't, hasn't have kids. Why don't they have mothers crying? I don't see it. If it was there, they would certainly be showing it.

Starting point is 01:31:37 That's always the tell for me. By the way, Canada, hello Canada, we love you. Hello Canada. And now that Tom Ford loves us, man, remember that? Tom Ford, he loves us. He loves us, wants to give us minerals. Take my minerals. So Mark Carney is, he sees the writing on the wall.

Starting point is 01:32:00 Oh, we better do something for Canada. We gotta do something. But I think we should build government housing. Government housing. Hundreds of thousands of government homes, up to half a million. By the way, you won't own them, they will be rentals. We used to build things in this country.

Starting point is 01:32:17 After the Second World War, Canada faced a housing crisis. The government built prefabricated homes that were easy to assemble and inexpensive. And those homes are still here 80 years later. Now we're in another housing crisis. The government built prefabricated homes that were easy to assemble and inexpensive and those homes are still here 80 years later. Now we're in another housing crisis and it's time your government got back into the business of building affordable homes. We will build new homes for Canadians at a pace not seen since the Second World War. We'll build a Canada you can afford. Yes, we'll build a Canada and here's Pauli, Pauliev, I finally got it right. Pauliev's response to this ludicrous idea.

Starting point is 01:32:51 He wants to put the liberal policies on steroids. His housing plan, I don't know if you saw this earlier this week, he wants to create a government run construction company that is going to make prefab tiny homes with no parking spots. This is his idea for housing. This is even more radical than the stuff that came from Stephen Gilbo and Justin Trudeau over the last 10 years. This is not a serious plan to protect our economy and break our dependence. I love it. Everybody gets a tiny home. independence. I love it. Everybody gets a tiny home. With no parking. No parking. Yeah, you don't need parking. You'll have a 15 minute walk, walk everywhere.

Starting point is 01:33:34 15 minutes city of tiny homes. Hmm. Sounds great. Let's talk about the protests. Big protests over the weekend. Big, big protests all run by ActBlue and some odd union as well. There were some unions involved with this. What are the workers' party? If you look at the, what was it called, Identify, what are those guys called? I think it's Identify. Not Identify, it's something else.

Starting point is 01:34:03 If you look at their website, I always go to, just hit the donation link people. Act Blue. That is a Democrat party system. That should have been, yeah, they do a lot of embezzling. Just like Win Red for the Republicans, which I think, I think- I've never even seen or heard of Win Red. Yeah. That's the, what's his face?

Starting point is 01:34:30 Trump's son-in-law. Hmm. You know, the one who's married to the daughter, that one. Yeah, yeah, what's his name? Jared, Jared, Jared, Jared. What's his name? Jared. The guy with Subway Subway sandwiches, Jared. Jared Kushner, there you go. It's Kushner's deal. Kushner make him, he might have sold it, but he was making bank in the first time.

Starting point is 01:34:51 Yes, another scam. Scam. Scam. Scammer. Scammer. Protests, BBC. Let's start with that. Is it from the World Service? Yes, it is actually. Oh, hold on a second. I promised World Service clips and I've got them. Yes, it is actually. Oh, hold on a second. I need to...

Starting point is 01:35:05 I promised World Service clips and I've got them. Yeah, okay. There we go. And now, live from London, we bring you the BBC World Service as we look around the globe for things taking place in your world. In this case, we go to the protests against the evil president of the United States, Donald J. Trump. This is the BBC. Tens of thousands of protesters marched in Washington and other major American cities on Saturday

Starting point is 01:35:42 denouncing President Trump and what they consider his authoritarian policies. It was the largest single day of demonstrations against Mr. Trump since his return to office. Protesters condemned the dismissal of government officials, the breakup of the Federal Department of Education and the president's sweeping new trade tariffs. These people said the administration's actions would damage the economy and leave the USA weaker. The stock market is crashing, the economy is going to crash, it's already crashing, and it's all about Trump. His actions, his stupidity, his mistakes. One of my major concerns is how much disinformation that they are perpetuating out in the public,

Starting point is 01:36:22 that basic science and basic facts that our democracy depends on is being torn down. And when that happens, people get hurt. Our democracy depends on science. Ha ha! It's being torn down and people are getting hurt. They're beginning hurt. Well, some people are getting hurt.

Starting point is 01:36:39 People who are losing their jobs are getting hurt. Well, that's for sure. So let's, I have two more clips from the NPR, but before we do that, I have an interregnum clip. Interregnum. Yeah. I just have a short 14 second clip of some of the Trump, you talk these through, but we have, here are some Trump protest chants. Oh, good, good, good. Let me guess. Is it Is it hey hey, ho ho, Trump's no good, Elon's got to go? Is that one of the chances? It's close, no. You'll hear him. Donald Trump has got to go! Hey hey, ho ho! Hey Trump, you liar, we set your ass on fire!

Starting point is 01:37:18 No Trump, no KKK, no fascist USA! Presidents Trump took... Yeah, we had the handout with those. No JKK, no fascist USA! I can confirm a lot of money to come up with that. Listen guys, we really need to work on our chance. Can you come up with a list for us? Our chance. Hey, hey ho ho has got to go itself. Donald Trump, you're a liar. You're setting your own house on fire. Genius people.

Starting point is 01:37:57 I think it's his pants on fire in that one. Okay, pants on fire. So how old are they? Liar, liar, pants on fire. So how old are they? Liar, liar, pants on fire? How old are they? It turns out that most of the people in most of these protests are all in their 70s. Yes. There were some younger ones in New York, but I'll let you play your clips first. Yeah, well let's start with this.

Starting point is 01:38:18 There's a woman on TikTok and YouTube who goes out and does interviews with people. And this is the Tik Tok clip, by the way. And even though it was not, it was, I got it off Twitter. And she wears a, Musk was not elected. And so she can goad people. And she agrees with them. Oh yeah, he's crazy. And she does these interviews and it's really pretty good stuff because she gets people to say,

Starting point is 01:38:46 because they think she's an ally. So they go off the deep end. Oh, one of these. Oh, that's always funny. That's always funny. It's very funny because people get suckered so easily and she's, oh yeah, you're right. Yo, yeah, what else? And she gets them to go off. And so she found one guy who is completely off the rails. To the criminal charge of rape. He is credibly alleged of having raped a 14-year-old girl. What?

Starting point is 01:39:13 Is that what you want for your president? Absolutely not. Wait, is that, is that, where did this come up? It's, who knows? Which one are you guys talking about? I'm sorry, I interrupted you. I was talking about our alleged president, our fascist, Nazi-fied, idiot, moronic. The mangal menace?

Starting point is 01:39:37 Break our NATO alliance. Turn our allies against us. Steal our money. Throw 71 million people off Medicaid that people depend on. 71 million people! Is this what you want? Do you want money taken from your grandma? Do you want to not support battered women and abused children? Is that what you believe? Stand up and say it fascists, stand up and say it. I'm standing up and saying what I believe. You stand up and say what you look and not platitudes and not

Starting point is 01:40:06 Idolatry, let's hear ideas. You have no ideas. All you have is hate racism stupidity and greed a round of applause No, hold on no, no, no, no, no, no, you've got to stop. You've got to stop. I don't think so, but okay. I do. I do. I think that was a, that was a great clip. That is a delusional dim. If I ever heard one, that was great. Yeah, that's for sure. So this girl, she also has these two body guards that are near her that look like they're in this case,

Starting point is 01:40:45 they were at a Tesla thing and they were behind her as though they were guarding the Tesla factory and they kept getting called out. But they're always around these two guys and there are two guys just in case somebody gets, you know, to tax this woman because she's goading them into saying all kinds of crazy stuff and she goes from person to person with this. Elon was an elected thing as though she's a, uh, an ally. It's just very well done. The thing that's disturbing is he sounds like he really believes that. Oh no, he does. He was incredibly sincere. His hair was disheveled.

Starting point is 01:41:21 He looked a little like he was a probably around 60 and he looked like Bernie Sanders a little bit. Oh. And he's just going nuts. I mean, 71 million kicked off Medicaid. It's factually just not true. I don't understand where the... No, everything you said is factually not true. It's beside the point. Trump is a rapist or raping a 14-year-old. Where'd that come from?

Starting point is 01:41:43 Well, and he should take it back to the to the PP tape. Where's the PP tape? Hey, who was it? Who was it? Who was it? Who was the actor who was going to show us that? Oh, it was a Roseanne's ex-husband, Tom, Tom Arnold. I got the tape. Yeah, yeah, he was going to reveal the tape. I got the tape. I got the tape, everybody. Good memory on that one. That's about all I got. Protests USA. This is the NPR rap, I believe.

Starting point is 01:42:07 Thousands of anti-Trump protesters took to the streets today in cities across the country, including Atlanta, Boston, Cincinnati, and New York. Take a listen to the scene from the nation's Capitol. NPR's Emily Fang was at the protest in Washington, DC and joins us now. Good to have you with us, Emily. Thanks for having me, Asma. So what did you hear about why people are protesting? They're protesting what they say is executive overreach by President Trump and his ally,

Starting point is 01:42:38 billionaire, Elon Musk. Ally. Here's a sampling of signs among hundreds that I saw at the mall today in Washington. There was one that said, quote, you can't spell felon without Elon. Another that said hands off due process. Hold on, hold on. Call the agency. That was good. That's a good one. I have to say that's a good one. There was one that said, quote, you can't spell felon without Elon. Another that said hands off due process. And this pun, are you tariff-eyed? So the top concerns among protesters I saw today, inflation brought on by trade tariffs,

Starting point is 01:43:11 the role that Musk has in the current government because he is not an elected official and also many kinds of worries about the expansion of executive power. You mentioned the expansion of executive power. Did you hear specific concerns about that from protesters? Absolutely. Here's Juliana, a federal employee who did not want her full name aired because she's afraid of being fired herself. She was holding a sign that said, quote, I need to be able to tell my children I did not stay silent. This time around, I have concerns that I wonder if we will have an election to be frank. She specifically fears that Trump may seek a third presidential term, even though this

Starting point is 01:43:48 is unconstitutional. This is expressly prohibited by the 22nd Amendment. And this, so this is the brilliance. Trump in this regard is just so smart. He knows, he just throws his stuff out there and that's all they can talk about, all they can report on, and it makes you sound idiotic. And I don't think they realize it. I mean, that is trolling to the nth degree, obviously.

Starting point is 01:44:14 Yeah, he's a great troll. Yeah, it's beautiful. And the grid is going to go down. The grid. The grid. There we go. Another protester I talked to, Austin Shriver, drove in from Virginia nearby and he and a friend were holding signs saying, no kings. And he said he was angry about executive orders cracking down on immigration. If the president can decide that he's gonna ignore the courts when they tell him he's doing

Starting point is 01:44:41 the wrong thing, then the courts have no power to check the executive. He's referring to this ongoing legal case where a federal judge says there was a possibility the Trump administration ignored his court order to stop deportation flights to El Salvador last month. You know, Emily, it seems like the left has been struggling with how to oppose Trump these last couple of months. We haven't seen the large... She showed... It seems the left has been struggling. That's all you needed to say. Boom, stop, full stop. It seems like the left has been struggling with how to oppose Trump these last couple of months. We haven't

Starting point is 01:45:12 seen the large-scale protests that we saw during Trump's first term. Today seems to have been kind of the first public opposition to President Trump's second term. I'm curious what you were tracking outside of Washington. These protests are happening all over the country. There are about 1,200 of what organizers are calling hands-off mass action protests, sizable demonstrations at state capitals and parks, city halls, et cetera, nationwide. Have you heard anything from President Trump about the protest today? He's out playing golf at his club in Florida today and has not given any interviews. But the White House did say in a statement that his position is quote, clear.

Starting point is 01:45:48 He will always protect Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid for eligible beneficiaries. Though the statement did not address the protest directly. Well, why didn't they say, why didn't they say well, and he lied because clearly he has taken, kicked 71 million people off of Medicaid. Why didn't they say that? Yeah. We just heard the guy say that. Ah ha! Bless you. I have a report from...

Starting point is 01:46:13 Well, wait, before we finish, I got one last one. No, sorry. Because this was, even though it's actually 1300 protests, it was organized by Soros' boys, there was a world protest too. I don't know how they pulled this off, but this is the world protest that NPR reported on that too. Anti-Trump demonstrations took place around the country today and across Europe. Anti-Trump? What?

Starting point is 01:46:34 Anti-Trump demonstrations in Paris. I mean, come on. Yes. Anti-Trump demonstrations took place around the country today and across Europe. As me Nicholson reports, the protests follow Trump's new tariffs on nearly all the goods the US imports because many worry it may threaten prosperity and peace. American citizens living in Berlin gathered in front of a Tesla showroom on Saturday to demand an end to the chaos back home. In a message meant for Trump advisor Elon Musk, one protester was holding a banner reading shut up Elon no one voted for you. The sentiment was clear at protests in

Starting point is 01:47:10 Frankfurt, Paris and Lisbon where signs read silence is complicity. In London hundreds of Americans gathered in Trafalgar Square and chanted hands off Canada. It was Americans protesting in Trafalgar Square. So it was expats who don't even live in America. What are you worried about? In Trafalgar Square and chanted hands off Canada, hands off Greenland, hands off Ukraine. The demonstrations come as markets have plummeted in reaction to Trump's tariffs. For NPR News, I'm Esme Nicholson in Berlin. Alright, I have a report on the worldwide protests.

Starting point is 01:47:46 From Chicago to Washington, D.C. and across the U.S., people gathered Saturday to speak out against the Trump administration. They protested President Trump's key initiatives, including large-scale cuts to federal agencies and the new slew of tariffs that have tanked global stock markets. Their tariffs are not only imbecilic, they're illegal, they're unconstitutional, and we're going to turn this around. That's raskin' at one of these things. They're illegal, they're unconstitutional.

Starting point is 01:48:17 Protesters also took to the streets in Paris, London, and other European capitals. The policies Trump is following are a threat to the world. The world as we have come to know it and enjoy it. Yeah, with cheap Chinese junk. As very privileged Westerners. Today we really want to send a message of solidarity to our friends and families back in America. President Trump is spending the weekend at his Mar-a-Lago estate here in South Florida. Some new tariffs on goods imported to the U.S. went into effect Saturday,

Starting point is 01:48:46 triggering customs agents collections at ports of entry. In a post on Truth Social, the president asked Americans to hang tough, calling the tariffs an economic revolution. But many consumers say they are worried. A YouGov poll finds that just over two-thirds of Americans think the price of goods they typically buy will rise. Yeah. Here's the New York protest and here's where the union lady shows up. Tell me what democracy looks like! Protesters gathered in and around Bryant Park, shoes sloshing through puddles on a rainy Saturday afternoon. This hands-off protest is one of several happening throughout New York City and in all 50 states,

Starting point is 01:49:31 according to organizers. This is not about efficiency. This is about control and power and the destruction of the United States. People showed up to stand up against some of the Trump administration's latest moves, like the implementation of tariffs, immigration operations, and reducing the size of some federal agencies while eliminating others altogether. Eileen Chen is a federal worker with the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. A federal judge recently blocked the Trump administration's attempt to dismantle it.

Starting point is 01:50:03 They tried to shut down our entire agency, and many, many, many of my coworkers were fired. But because we've all come together through our really strong union, we were actually able to get every single person reinstated. Others say they're concerned about Elon Musk, who has pushed policies to reduce federal spending in his role as the head of the Department of Government Efficiency. The administration has said Dozier's purpose is to rid the government of waste, fraud and abuse. Musk has spoken about his role in trying to dismantle USAID, which offers humanitarian

Starting point is 01:50:39 aid to countries. This is no longer a democracy. This is a total abuse of our freedom. That's number one. I could go on for a long time, but cutting USA for me, it has been the most disgusting thing that this government has done. This is so disgusting. So I went to Hands Off 2025 and that is a website, they say it right right there of indivisible indivisible org and

Starting point is 01:51:09 You go to join the movement the donate part Indivisible is a movement of thousands of local groups and millions of activists committed to defeating mega extremism Advancing progressive policies and building a democracy that works for us all. Our movement is powered by people. We do not accept funding from corporations, political parties, or their leaders. No, you're taking money for political parties because it says right there, ActBlue is the merchant of record for ActBlue Civics Inc. Come on. Which is a 501C4, which they call a social welfare organization, but I think that means you can have, you can lobby.

Starting point is 01:51:55 So it's politics as usual. Yeah. And I think- They create a lot of front groups, those guys, but the left has always done this. That's good. That's the old mean this idea you just have a long tail Long tail of front groups. Yeah, you played One of your clips talked about the Department of Education I think you received this clip as well

Starting point is 01:52:16 But I thought it would be interesting enough to play it one of our producers sent it. This is 1980 Ronald Reagan talking about the Department of Education, that he wanted to get rid of it, but tell me what you find the most interesting in this from 1980. I propose, and would have already started, if your hypothesis is correct, a planned and orderly transfer back to the states and local communities of functions the federal government has usurped and which it has proven it is incapable of operating. And one of the first of those would be welfare. One of the second would be in the field of education. I would like to dissolve the $10 billion national department of education

Starting point is 01:52:56 created by President Carter and turn schools back to the local school districts where we built the greatest public school system the world has ever seen. I think I can make a case that the decline in the quality of public education began when federal aid became federal interference. Now what was remarkable about this? I like to phrase federal aid became federal interference. It was a ten10 billion. Oh yeah, it was 10 billion and now it's like 250 or whatever. 250 billion, yes. I know. I mean, there's inflation, but inflation should be like 100 billion.

Starting point is 01:53:35 Inflation would be, that was from about 85 or 84 when he gave that speech, and inflation is not a 10X from there. It would be 10X from 1970. From the 70s, yeah. he gave that speech and inflation is not a 10x from there it would be 10x from 1970s. So it'd probably be more like 80 or 70 billion instead it's way up there. Yeah it's a scam. And with that I'd like to thank you for your courage saying in the morning to you the man who put the sea in the cheap junk from China say hello to my friend on the other end the birthday boy. Ladies and gentlemen Mr. John C. DeVore!

Starting point is 01:54:09 Yeah, well good morning to you, Mr. Adam Crane. Melon is a ship of sea boots on the ground, feeding the air, subs of the water, and the dames and knights out there. Hello, dames and knights, hello trolls, how do you do? That's sick, let's get a little time to check there. 2,405. A little above average. Alright, uh, two thousand four hundred and five. Little above average.

Starting point is 01:54:30 Around average. It's kind of good. I'd say it was average. It's a lot of trolls. I mean, what other show has a live troll room that really, I mean, we don't have video, we got trolls and they're in the troll room and you can say whatever you want and people do Yeah, and then you kick them off

Starting point is 01:54:52 Like the ogre you are I have not done that in a while. Should I just pick somebody and just kick them off? Yeah Who should I kick off? Let me see if someone says something Come on somebody say something to make him mad and say something about his hair and that'll do it. Nobody. No one's saying anything. They don't, they're so lame. Kick me. It's no good. Ah, lame, lame.

Starting point is 01:55:12 Should have been much faster on the draw. Those trolls are in the troll room at trollroom.io. You can also participate in the live streaming experience, which is the future. It's the future. And more and more people are doing it, particularly with this live aspect to it. And we've made it work for podcasts. You can go to podcastapps.com, get a modern podcast app,

Starting point is 01:55:33 I think, a Podverse, Podcast Guru, Fountain, a whole bunch of them. And they have extra features, features you won't get from Apple or from any of the legacy apps. And of course, you get a notification when we go from any of the legacy apps and of course you get a notification we go live and also within 90 seconds of publishing a show you are you know about it so you don't have to sit around and wait twiddling your thumbs and thank you for

Starting point is 01:55:55 for being a part of our grand experiment in our 18th year running it value for value continuously we have all kinds of great producers who help us with time, talent, or treasure. And we're going to thank our executive and associate executive producers. We thank everybody who donated to the show in the treasure with over $50. But we also like to thank people who do stuff for us, for instance, making art. And we want to thank Scaramanga, Francisco Scaramanga, who made, I mean, I got comments on this one. The episode was last, on Thursday, 1752, we titled it Palamel, trying to bring that phrase back. And this was a very disturbing piece of art. People actually got disturbed by it. I think Darren O'Neill said, I can't even recommend listening to this episode

Starting point is 01:56:47 because this art is so disturbing. This was the gay dog, or at least the dog with the rainbow shirt. And the more I look at it, the more I agree. It was, it borders on gruesome. But I don't get the gruesome part. It's creepy. It's creepy.

Starting point is 01:57:08 There's no doubt about that because the legs of the dog, the front legs are too long and the dog stand in there with a rainbow shirt. And then there was the quarter, which is the kicker that I thought made it worth it. That was a quarter. Very subtle. Very subtle. I don't know if anyone got that, but we thought it was. You thought it was great.

Starting point is 01:57:27 And I had comments at the big meetup in Oakland about this art. Same thing. They thought it was, they're trying to, Steve, in fact, Crazy Steve, the guy who does all these things. Crazy Steve? Who's Crazy Steve? Crazy Steve's the guy who organizes all these meetups. Oh, you Crazy Steve. Is that the guy who says he had my hair? Is that Crazy Steve? No, no. That guy wasn organizes all these meetups. Oh, you crazy Steve. Is that the guy who says he had my hair?

Starting point is 01:57:45 Is that crazy Steve? No, no, that guy wasn't even at this meetup. Oh, okay. No, crazy Steve's the organizer. You know who it is. I didn't know who crazy Steve is. He wants to go down and organize one down in Fredericksburg. He says, I'm going to do one in Fredericksburg.

Starting point is 01:58:00 I'll show up. Bob, I'll show up. He says, I can understand why Adam didn't show up to the other one when we were at the two hour drive. He's not going to do, he says, I can understand why Adam didn't show up to the other one. When we're at two hour drive, he's not going to do that. No. And I said, yeah, if you could put when in Fredericksburg, just check to make sure it's not in Europe. Yes, please. Yeah. Let me know. I mean, organizing. Yeah, you can do it. He'll be, he'll be glad to show up.

Starting point is 01:58:18 Of course I'll go. Of course. Go ahead. Crazy Steve. And so Steve was querying me about the artwork thinking it was what is this? Why? What is this? Well do you think that because you kind of have a rule that you know creepy or gruesome artwork if it if it's bad for the show and I think that... Yeah because of association I don't like the association so you see no agenda and then some gruesome picture and then you say oh no agenda is bad. But I literally had people saying they didn't even want to listen to the episode because of the art. That reflects poorly on the show. Well, that was, we made an error then,

Starting point is 01:58:53 but I don't see it. I think it's a funny piece. You got a stupid dog wearing a outfit and he's standing there with his tongue hanging out and there's a quarter and the whole thing was dynamite. It was a great piece. Yes. I thought it was good. I liked it. I liked it. And the quarter is referenced to, you know, the dog drops. You said that. Someone's got to pick up the course like picking up a soap, you know, it's a running gay joke.

Starting point is 01:59:22 Yeah. A prison gay joke, actually. running gay joke. Yeah. Uh, prison, prison, gay joke, actually. Prison, gay joke. Um, thank you, Scaramanga. Uh, we were also just pleased that Scaramanga did something that wasn't boobs. Oh, that was kind of, that was interesting. So at the meetup, we had a, uh, I think it's Sir Montauk, the guy who's is a stick, I always call him the sticker guy. Always brings a set of new stickers to the meetups and all the stickers. It's just a little No Agenda stickers. He did a giant poster

Starting point is 01:59:52 about I think I'd say three feet by two foot poster of very small versions of every artwork says show one or something. Oh that's cool. The whole thing is just a giant you know. He should talk to noagendashop.com get those guys to sell a poster. One thing and he should send you a copy because he framed mine because he figured if it's rolled up already he would just end up in my attic which is where he nailed it. Next to many other items of interest. He nailed it. Next to many other items of interest. Yes, yeah. Phoebe.

Starting point is 02:00:26 And so he framed it and you could, he could send you a rolled up one because I'm pretty sure that you would frame it and put it on the wall of the Hall of Fame. Yes, I have a wall in the garage. I have in my entire. The garage, you've taken pictures of it, it was in the garage.

Starting point is 02:00:44 Yes, no, I moved the wall of fame to the garage For some we have an oversized garage because the guy we bought the house from He's a retailer and he had like ATM machines and all kinds of just all kinds of gear. So it's no I use the garage as storage. No. Well, we have very no our garage is very clean Storage. No. Well, we have very no our garage is very clean Have you met my wife? It's very clean very organized you think it's not it's not storage But I did make one wall just like you like you know, I'm talking about the guy original guy had putting ATM machines So is using it as storage. Oh, yes. He was yeah storage and he had training You know like a golf cart in there and other other gear.

Starting point is 02:01:25 So it's really a three and a half car garage, I guess. So we don't have three cars. It is ready for the flying car though. When that comes, I can I can park it in my garage. Anyway, yes, I will. I will hang that on my I will frame it and hang it on my wall. I'd love to. Other pieces of art, you know the so Scare Manga also did the Podfather Awards. You probably saw that. He's been trying, he's been doing videos of you and me. I look disturbingly, so you look like you, but I look a bit like, who's the actor? Ed Begley Jr.

Starting point is 02:02:02 I don't know if I like it. Well that's not a good look. No. And thank you very much to Daniel J. Lewis. Daniel J. Lewis. A lot of people like this idea. I'm just going to say it again. I knew that you were going to work on it and I know it was, you only had a couple of days, but I'm sure you'd be working very hard on the Podfather Awards this week. He was, I can't believe we didn't do this.

Starting point is 02:02:22 He got the domain name for us, podfatherawards.com. Hello, how stupid am I that I didn't register that right away? Very funny. Yeah. The classic. Phoebe. Phoebe, she's mad. I don't know what she's mad about.

Starting point is 02:02:35 She's mad that you didn't get the thing and you're humiliating yourself on the air. No, she's mad about the microphone company. That's what she's mad about. I can tell. It's all right, Phoebe. You'll get your mic. Well, you know, it's a tariff situation. We had to see how that shook out. Well, true.

Starting point is 02:02:50 The tariffs could be a big problem. I'm glad we didn't start that company. We'd be broke. Maybe not. Now it's time. Was there anything else that we like? There's a lot of toilet art. Which they? Yeah had a talking toilets.

Starting point is 02:03:06 There was a really, you know, that little dog stood out. I thought there were a couple other gay dogs, a lot of gay dogs, a lot of gay dogs. There's a couple of dogs walking down the aisle, drop goes male dog wedding. A lot of, a lot of gay dogs. Stop with the gay dogs. The gummy bear Jesus,

Starting point is 02:03:30 both thought that was a little sacrilegious in a way. Yeah, it was little. Well, the one that, yes, it was a little over the top. But you know what? A lot of these make it into, are those the Geiger counters you have? The one the digital 2112 man made? You see that one? The Geiger counter? Is that the kind of Geiger next to the Boomer Humor fart cushion? No, not at all. It's nothing like that.

Starting point is 02:04:01 That kind of looks cool. If they were like that, I'd get one. That looks pretty cool. No, the ones that I have it better looking. Yeah. So anyway, thank you all very much. A lot of these pieces show up in our chapter art, which you can enjoy on the modern podcast apps. If you use it in your car, it'll even change while you're driving. Yeah. So you can get into a wreck. No, you're not going to get into a wreck. It's a, it's entertainment for the entire population of your vehicle.

Starting point is 02:04:27 NoahGendaArtGenerator.com, everybody can participate. It's what makes it so good. Anybody can jump in and it's good to see the artist working hard. Some AI, some use AI in the appropriate manner according to Buzzkill Jr., which is a tool, because you really need talent to be able to make something no matter what tools you use. You know, Buzzkill Jr. was at the event. Yes. And he got into a discussion about AI because he's working, he's doing work for banks. And he did, they just brought up this topic of, I was, my eyes are glazing over But they brought the topic of trying to do do some of the same stuff in Europe And he goes on and on and on and on and on about how well you think I registered this and if you do this

Starting point is 02:05:17 You got to do that and then you got to do you got to be you know Licensed and do for anything so all the hoops you've got to jump through to do the same work in Europe, which is just to look for bank fraud. He says it's not worth even doing any work in Europe. He says it's just not worth the trouble because it's just too many regulations. And I was brought to mind, yeah, and they're going to compete with us in social networking or anything else. They can't do it. They can't get anything done. No, they can't.

Starting point is 02:05:48 The Europeans are screwed up. Well, they're trying to be protectionists and it's going to make them, it's going to retard their economy, if I can put it that way. It will retard their economy. So, as I said, we thank everybody $50 and above. We'd like to break here for the executive and associate executive producers who come in with $200 or above. You're an associate executive producer. You get a credit for the rest of your life as associate executive producer of episode

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Starting point is 02:08:09 teach kids skiing and love winter in the best mountain town in the East in Vermont. Communist, but only dopey there, not corrupt. We think we decided on our red area safe house in relatively affordable area in the Black Hills of South Dakota. So this $500 is for all the sanity, laughs and perspective you have added to our lives since I discovered you during COVID, courtesy of Scott Adams, when you got along. Do we have a feud with Scott Adams? No. I don't think so. I think he got called out on the show some time ago for his Vax stance, which suddenly changed. He's a hypnotist. He could turn us around in a second. I still

Starting point is 02:08:54 like Scott. He adds to the mental toolbox along with you guys and a few others. You guys though, rock. Please provide peace and love and get well karma and an appropriate jingle if you have one for everybody's family, friends and colleagues afflicted with TDS and all trophy trans children being raised by Munchausen syndrome by proxy. My goodness. Yeah, you know, somebody brought that up in a, I saw this in some chat or something, or maybe it was online. They recorded it. But yeah, they think that this, it's a version of Munchausen by Proxy, which is kind of a weird, uh,

Starting point is 02:09:33 psychological disorder where you, you constantly hurt yourself to get attention and that has been transferred to turning your kids trans to get attention to yourself. Regards, cheeky and anonymous, seeking the middle, formerly of Bedford. Well, yes, I have something appropriate for you. Oh, there's no winning. We don't like to foster a competitive atmosphere,

Starting point is 02:09:55 but we laugh a lot. Now everyone hug and share a secret. You've got karma. Classic. Yes. Jordan Johnson in shirts. Shirts? Shirts.

Starting point is 02:10:08 Shirts. Yeah, shirts. Shirts. Shirts, Texas. Shirts, man. Shirts. In the morning, long-time listener, first-time donor, please give this credit to my, this is a switcheroo to my smoking hot wife, Brittany.

Starting point is 02:10:22 Brittany Johnston. Brittany is turning 40 years old, April 5th. It's my birthday. Would you please give her a, put her on the birthday list she's on? I've had the hots for my wife since the moment I laid eyes on her. She's bright and shining. She's a bright and shining diamond, a light in the darkness and a terrific cook. bright and shining diamond, a light in the darkness and a terrific cook. When she is given as five beautiful human resource. I always say, I just, I won't bring it up. What she had, you know, women who like to cook.

Starting point is 02:10:58 All right. What you know, most women kill their husbands by poisoning them. I always tell that Winston you like to cook. I say, yeah, I do all their husbands by poisoning them. I always tell that to Winston. You like to cook. I say, yeah, I do all the cooking in the house. And that's the reason I do it. It just comes to mind. I'm sorry. I think it's true.

Starting point is 02:11:17 I'm with you. Women who like to cook are dangerous. They're dangerous because they can drop into, you know, something. This tip from your No Agenda show. It's tip of the moment. Tip of the moment. Life-saving tip. She has given us five beautiful human resources.

Starting point is 02:11:33 Jack Margot, Phoebe, Owen, and Carly. Oh, I'm sorry. It looks like a T on here. And she homeschools them. Oh, this woman is very busy. And she cooks. Yeah. Be careful. After homeschooling five kids, she might kill you. Yeah. Yeah. I give thanks to God every day that she is mine. Her faith is what changed our family for generations to come. Happy birthday,

Starting point is 02:12:02 Brittany. I love you with all my heart and happy birthday to you too, John. Brittany adores you. She's a good woman. And she probably won't poison you for jiggles. It says, I'm pretty sure I read that right. It says jiggles. Yes, it says. Could we please hear a little I've got ants. Thank you both for the best podcast in the universe for more years. It says Jordan. Alright Jordan, thank you very much.

Starting point is 02:12:28 We will play a little bit of I Got Ants for Brittany. I got ants. I got ants. I'll give you a karma too while we're at it. You've got karma. Add a little extra spice there for you. Sir Lawrence is in Oakland, California and he comes in with 333.33. He's in blue so that means something's up with him and he has a note here which I shall

Starting point is 02:13:00 grab a hold of. I believe he was at the meetup. Oh okay, well here we go. Nice, okay. Well, here we go. Nice. It looks like it was a typewriter. Typewritten. It says 333.33 plus baronet. Oh, baronet. There we go. ITM gentlemen, when you read this letter, John's birthday extravaganza will be in the rearview mirror. It's in the rearview. I have no doubts it will be, it will have been off the proverbial his all and added some great memories to John's already large

Starting point is 02:13:32 volume of 90s, 90s, sorry, 73 years worth. That was an honest mistake. Can I get a jobs karma? And I love my truck and I love what I do. I just started with a new company that got awarded the elevator contract in my building and asked me to change shirts. As they still provide a vehicle stipend, I got myself a 2024 Ford F-150 STX with a super cab, extended cab. It's more money for less work

Starting point is 02:14:00 and I got a truck that hauls balls with a turbo V6. Lastly, this donation makes me a baronet. Does this mean that I am to be called Sir Lawrence Baronet of Dystopia or could I be Sir Lawrence of Dystopia Baronet of Maxwell Park inquiring minds want to know? Well you're in charge of that John. I think he can do whatever he wants. Give him the first title. Okay, it will be Sir Lawrence Baronet of Dystopia. Very good. Adios, mofos and 73s, John. Get it! Oh, he is Kilo Oscar 6, Echo Juliet Echo 73s, Kilo 5 Alpha Charlie Charlie. Give me the truck, I'll do the jobs.

Starting point is 02:14:37 I love my truck and I love what I do. Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs! Yay! jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs. Let's vote for jobs! You thought karma. I think Sir Lawrence is part of the team of people that were talking about how they avoided getting vaxxed. Oh, one of those guys, huh? It was like, there's a bunch of them that, oh, they all have their different stories. Of course, everyone has a story. It was horrible.

Starting point is 02:15:06 Steve Brock in Springfield, Missouri 28008. A Stephen Wright donation. Steve Brock is... Wow! ...Springfield, Missouri. Nice, nice. Steven Brock of Springfield, Missouri. Please call out Bob from Springfield for still being a douchebag.

Starting point is 02:15:25 Douchebag! And he'd like to hear China is asshole and French bulldog karma. Thanks. China is asshole! You've got... Karma. Now, check this out. Now, check this out. Anonymous from Charlotte, North Carolina, 263.57, associate executive producer, and he says, or she, please accept this Steven Wright donation.

Starting point is 02:15:55 Well, this is amazing. That's the old random number theory. It happens all the time and it's like can't be avoided. Thank you both for what you do anonymous and elder Jen Exer who appreciates boomer humor. Right on, we're scoring big on this. I love it. I, yep, well it was like the one of the memes I had in the newsletter was like got a lot of attention. Which one was that? It's the one that says that there she was walking down the street and then there's

Starting point is 02:16:30 pictures and you have to kind of figure out what, what these, what it mean, what does it mean? And, um, boomer people got it and some people didn't. Boomer humor, boomer humor, baby. Cassia, uh, Grzleka, in Cape Coral, Florida 22222. Hi guys, that's exactly what it's written. This donation is for our son Adam. 18 years ago at exactly 9.03 p.m. in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, this amazing human entered the world.

Starting point is 02:17:10 Adam came into our lives and made our hearts expand in ways we never imagined. He's a living, breathing piece of our souls that we've gently sent out into the world, praying he'd find joy, spread kindness, and leave the world a better place than he found it. That's a lot of stuff there for him to do. Yes. You're putting a lot of responsibility on the kid's shoulders. Stop it.

Starting point is 02:17:35 Stop it. He's our life's greatest creation. Not a project, but a masterpiece shaped by love, lessons, laughter, and fears. Tears. Tears. No, fears. What'd, laughter and fears. Tears. Tears, not fears. What did I say? Fears? They scared the kid.

Starting point is 02:17:51 I love you Adam. Pronunciation is in Polish. No, it's a-. That's his nickname. Oh, a-. Look at a-. It's never been Adam. It's always been a-.

Starting point is 02:18:00 Yes. I love you a-. Oh, it's in Polish. But that's not Polish. It's a-. Adas. Adas. How about that? Adash. I love you Adash. Oh, it's in Polish. But that's not Polish, it's Adash. Adash. Adash. How about that? Adash. Yeah. Does the Polish Bible say Adam and Adash and Eva? Inquiring minds like to know. The Polish Bible's in Latin. Mom and dad, thanks guys. Kasia, pronounce Kaj, Kasha, Kasha, Kasha, and then Gresh Lekha. I got that part right.

Starting point is 02:18:30 I didn't get the Kasha right. PS, Southwest Florida really needs a meetup already. It's been too long. We have Floridians that do these things. Yeah, but one of them abruptly quit. Oh no. Yeah, this happened of them abruptly quit. Oh no. Yeah, this happened a while ago. Oh, that's our girl, right? Yeah.

Starting point is 02:18:50 And I've even reached out to her and she's like, can't talk about it. Thanks for reaching out. I wonder what happened. She can't talk about it. I think it's something with her work. The agency wasn't happy with it or something. Just guessing. Oh, that could be.

Starting point is 02:19:11 Just guessing. Government interference with the No Agenda Show. James von Weinsberge, Sun City, Florida, Sun City, Florida 222.22, Roe of Ducks switcheroo. In the morning, gentlemen, happy belated birthday to John. I know this note is long, but someone's getting knighted today. Someone's getting knighted and someone's getting corn hold. Accounting below. Why this third Rove Ducks on a excuse me with this third Rove Ducks the nation if you couldn't kick in the penny. Oh hold on a second you need a penny man. I'm not kicking a penny. Where's the penny? There we go. Please. Yes.

Starting point is 02:19:45 That put us over the top. I'd like to switch a room I tie things and bequeath this knighthood to my dad, Marty. All right. Switch. Okay. So does it stay James, but Marty gets the, the knighthood? What do you think here, John?

Starting point is 02:20:01 Yeah. Marty gets the knighthood. Yes, of course he does. But James stays the associate executive producer? Yeah, he does. Yes. I would Marty gets a knighthood. He gets a knighthood. Of course he does. But James Stay is the associate executive producer? Yeah, he is. Yes, I would think that would be correct. Okay. Okay, so I'd like to switch through my tidings and bequeath this knighthood to my dad Marty

Starting point is 02:20:16 and request that his knight name be henceforth known as Sir Marty von Veinsberge of the Coachella Valley. He's always been my hero since I understood what that meant and he was recently dealt a potential cancer diagnosis. I'm so proud of his bravery in the face of this and request an F cancer jiggle. Another, this is another random number theory, a jiggle. It's a jingle people.

Starting point is 02:20:38 And a goat karma to counter this, okay. I love you dad, I'm very blessed to be your son and now you got this. I know you got, let me do that again, I'm butchering this. I love you dad I'm very blessed to be your son and I know you got this. There we go. He'd appreciate some Belgian frietkotte and a cold unsweetened Mountain Dew which of course doesn't exist for the roundtable. for the time being I'm still a slave for the system So if I could request an f35 karma To include a what in the world tagline to help me acquire the property and do d affiliated employment. Oh, man

Starting point is 02:21:15 I need to build my final home and wake OS compound in North Carolina I'd greatly appreciate it. Thank you for your courage and four more years, okay, so we need to, he needed the jobs, karma, and was there something, what else was there? Was there something else? Did I forget something here? Goat? You want a goat? Yeah, oh okay, so I can do that. And F cancer, you want to say F cancer? F cancer, okay, so I'll do that. And F canc- you want to say F canc- Okay, so I'll throw in the goat with the- Okay, I can do it. I can do this! I can do this! You've got

Starting point is 02:21:58 Karma. Oh, it didn't do the what in the world is this? And that wasn't the goat, that was that guy. No, I did the goat. I did the goat. You sure that was goat? I thought that was that screaming guy. It sounds... AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH SHEAWN HOMEN

Starting point is 02:22:16 That's the guy and that's the goat. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH SHEAWN HOMEN HOMEN Sorry I asked. And I prayed for Marty. You got it. Sean Homan in Noblesville, Indiana, 21911. Stealth Arms is foam finger number one.

Starting point is 02:22:35 Customize your platypus today. Oh, here we go. It's back to Stealth Arms.net. God's blessings and peace to all, including the spooks. Hey, well, spooks like the platypus, I guess. And spooks like to listen. Of course they do. Oops, sorry, I didn't mean to do that.

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Starting point is 02:24:37 give it to you. Now you'll get an additional 10% off of your sales order, sales karma. You want sales karma JD Hot Pockets. That's a good note. That's a very good note. Hotpockets. That's a good note. That's a very good note. Hotpockets. You've got karma. Joel Sides is in Medina, Texas. 21060. Happy birthday, John. If only the dinosaurs could have lived this long. They might still be around. Don't feel left out. The rest of us are not far behind. Thank you, Joel. It's for your birthday. QGinX Counts Steven of Windsor or Winder. Steven of Winder. Winder. Winder in Oswego, Illinois. Steven Wright donation. Wow, third one.

Starting point is 02:25:19 How about that? This is, that's insane. We sometimes spend hours thinking about what kind of promotion can we do? And then an off-handed obscure comment about Steven Wright scores. It's unbelievable. Yeah. And it was just a screwball toss away. It was a toss away. It's remarkable. It's truly remarkable.

Starting point is 02:25:45 I tell you. Steven Wright donations solidly gen ex count Steven of winder like a clock clock and the great smoky mountains boom. That's easy. Eli the coffee guy, Bensonville, Illinois 204.07 happy birthday John. I can't wait to hear your next episode of DH Unplugged. This Monday will either be a bloodbath in the markets or a fantastic rebound. Either way, it will make for a good show on Tuesday. That's right, DH Unplugged live with John C. Dvorak and Andrew Horowitz. You listen to Andrew go off. Monday, Tuesday. We listen to Andrew go off. It is somewhat entertaining, I have to admit.

Starting point is 02:26:31 It's pretty funny. I've gotten some fantastic stock tips listening to you and Horowitz. Thank you. My investment advice to everyone is go long on quality coffee at a great price. Visit gigawattcofferoasters.com and use code ITM 20 for 20% off your order. Stay caffeinated. Eli, the coffee guy. Now that's ad copy right there. That's very good. That's copy. I like that. And he does it. He always tells his tale. He has a story.

Starting point is 02:27:00 He prefaces everything and then he, you know, he could work for Young and Rubicon. I'm telling you, he's great. Which reminds me is before we get to my last, the last one here. Uh, so I got a note. I don't have the note in front of me, but it's from one of our producers. He goes, I'm, he's in advertising. You probably, you may have gotten this. It's in advertising. He's bemoaning the fact that we're bitching and moaning about pharmaceutical ads.

Starting point is 02:27:24 We went through this whole conversation not two shows ago. Well, we've talked about this, but do we talk about this guy? Yes. Do it again. I don't. Well, I'm just saying he was bitching and moaning and he said that we should back off and I don't understand how he could be this way. Yeah, we had this whole conversation. You know, this is how it begins. Yeah, well, this is the second thing to go. What's the first?

Starting point is 02:27:55 Short-term memories, second thing to go. What's the first? I don't remember. I walked right into it. I can't believe that. You're still a sharpest attack. Linda Lu Patkins sharpest attack. She's in Lakewood, Colorado, 200 bucks. Again, happy birthday, John jobs. Karma for a resume that gets results. Go to image makers, ink.com for all of your executive resume and job search needs.

Starting point is 02:28:21 That's image makers ink with a K and work with Linda Lu Duchess of Jobs and writer of resumes. Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs. Let's vote for jobs! Yes! Yes, thank you executive and associate executive producers. Not only are you helping the show, you're entertaining as well. I always say the best stuff happens during the donation segment It's only losers who skip it and they miss all the fun

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Starting point is 02:29:30 Water! Pod pockets. Shut up, slave! Hey, let's talk about the plague of smartphones. Shut up, Slade! Hey, let's talk about the plague of smartphones. Ha! Okay, who did a report on this? Because I agree, it is a plague. It is a plague on smartphones. Yeah, it's got some information in here you'd like. Yeah, probably.

Starting point is 02:29:59 Oh, not. I believe this was on NPR, but let's listen. This is smart. This is four clips Wow discussing smartphones with an expert from some Podunk University who's an expert on smart how it screws us up. Many of us are addicted to the little computer that fits inside our pocket. The average American spends up to five hours a day on their smartphone according according to research. But sending texts, surfing the internet, or endlessly doom scrolling through social media releases hormones that literally stress our bodies and our minds. We've talked about how important it is to restrict screen time for kids, but what about for you, for adults?

Starting point is 02:30:41 And what can you do if you want to be less tied to your phone? Larry Rosen is a professor emeritus at California State University Dominguez. Well, we can stop the whole sequence of clips right now. The answer is be like John, put your phone in the drawer. Done. Larry Rosen is a professor emeritus at California State University Dominguez Hills where he studies the psychological impacts of technology on our lives His latest book is the distracted mind ancient brains in a high-tech world Larry Rosen. Thanks so much for talking with us Thanks for having me. I start with that title of your book. Our minds are ancient They've gotten to this point after thousands and thousands of years of evolution and I got my first smartphone in

Starting point is 02:31:25 2007 why is that important? Worth pointing out. Well, part of it is our brains can handle a certain amount of information. And we're pretty good at it, and we've had these qualities since the cavemen. One of the problems is the smartphone in particular offers you so much from just your pocket that it's very distracting and it doesn't give you time to process information that you really need to process. I rarely send Joe Rogan a guest suggestion.

Starting point is 02:32:00 This sounds like the guy he should talk to. I already know I'm going to like the guy you should talk to. I already know I'm gonna like this guy. I found it interesting that the average person with a smartphone spends five and a half hours a day. Oh, that's average that absolutely Absolutely now some of it. It's screen time. It's screen time, but it's not all folly Some of his is it is sending. Yeah, you're checking your email because it's so important sending important text messages to the group The grids going down They'll be JFK juniors alive. He's gonna be VP Yes

Starting point is 02:32:39 Onward when I look at the stats on my phone I've used it it says an average this week of five hours and 23 minutes a day, which according to the research, looks like I'm pretty average, right? So what does the science say about what that's doing to my body and to my mind or to anyone who spends that much time on a phone? So we started talking about addiction, and I want to throw in another term, which is obsession. Obsession is an anxiety-based system.

Starting point is 02:33:10 So in your brain and body, you have chemicals all over the place. And one of the areas that you have chemicals is called the adrenal gland. And any time that you get stressed at all, that's because the adrenal gland has dumped some chemicals into your brain. And the one that everybody knows is called cortisol. So what happens to people, and you're right, this is not just kids, this is everybody.

Starting point is 02:33:41 You do a task on your phone. You message somebody. You go on social media, whatever it is you do, whatever your poison is. And then you're done. And you come back and do something else. But while you're doing that something else, the cortisol is dripping in there. It's indicating that you're anxious.

Starting point is 02:34:04 So wait a minute. Let me just jump in here and ask you this. Because what I'm hearing you say is that Cortisol is dripping in there. It's indicating that you're anxious. So wait a minute. Let me just jump in here and ask you this because what I'm hearing you say is that using our phones releases a hormone, cortisol. It literally stresses us out. So why do we use it? Yeah, baby. It's good stuff.

Starting point is 02:34:25 So now as I'm listening to this, I realized that when I first went to the idea of putting the phone in a drawer, which actually began by accident because of T-Mobile screwing up my order for a renewal. And I got so irked about it, I decided to go with a different direction. I stopped using them altogether. And I put the irked about it, I decided to go with a different direction. I stopped using them altogether. Thanks T-Mobile. Thanks T-Mobile. Another one.

Starting point is 02:34:51 And so I ended up putting the phone in the drawer for a while. And then after it took me, it was maybe two or three weeks that I realized that after having the phone in the drawer was actually great. Beneficial. And so I stretched it out to, went for one year, that's when I talked to the tellers at the bank about this and they all, they all thought it was great that I could do that. Now it's gone for two years, I pretty much keep the phone in the drawer. I have pulled it out on occasion for one thing or another, like to get an Uber car, for example.

Starting point is 02:35:25 I'll use it for that. But it goes back in the drawer. I didn't have it at the meetup yesterday. But you text, but you text from the computer, right? I text from the computer using Google Voice. And do you feel that you're behind the computer a lot for the texting? No, most of the time I don't have it open. I usually only go to that text page once or twice a week

Starting point is 02:35:47 just before the show. To text me. Newsletter. To text you or to text Mimi. Mimi's always saying, you gotta go look at your text. I said, what? It's on Gmail. I said, or not Gmail, but the-

Starting point is 02:35:59 Google Voice. Google Voice. And okay, so I open it up and there's a bunch of messages there, but I'm not like tagging it ever. Well, you also don't have a lot of people who want to text you. I mean, that's a good thing. Well, you know what? You know why?

Starting point is 02:36:15 You have no friends? If you're not online, you're not hanging out, you're not on the phone, you're not in the group, you're not contributing to these chats, they stop texting you because they know you're not there. You got the phone in a drawer. Yeah, but don texting you because they know you're not there. You got the phone in a drawer. Yeah, but don't you feel left out of the group? No, I don't. That's the great thing about it.

Starting point is 02:36:32 I don't feel that way at all. And this is why the libjos don't talk to you anymore because you left the group. See, I like being an android green bubble because then people just look at me and scorn. I'm an outsider. I like being an Android green bubble because then people just look at me in scorn. I'm an outsider. You know, that was interesting because you mentioned that there are people still out there and people with common sense. Cause I took this phone to a dinner recently because I had to use it, get an Uber ride back because I didn't want to drink and then drive home.

Starting point is 02:37:09 So I had the phone with me and somebody, a good friend of mine, looks at the phone and says, what is that? And I says, the phone. What is that thing? He says, is that an Android phone? And he was like with disdain. Are you a tech guy? I can't believe you have that kind of phone. And it really is that it still exists, this Apple iPhone bigotry. Yes. Yes. I thought they would go, I've gone away by now. It makes no sense to me. Well, I think that, you know, my flip phone, people think it's cool. Yeah. Well, we're coming to that, by the way, in these clips.

Starting point is 02:37:46 That's why these clips are here. All right. Number three. So why do we use it? What happens is we feel compelled, we feel obsessed with keeping up with things. And we don't want to miss out on something because a lot of social activities that you might want to be involved in are on, let's say, TikTok. So this chemical cortisol in larger and larger quantities makes you feel anxious. And it's the same kind of anxiety as if you were going to get up and speak to an audience. Your palms sweat, your pits sweat, your stomach has butterflies, and you just feel weird. You just feel uncomfortable.

Starting point is 02:38:34 That's the cortisol working. Hmm. Okay. Yes, I believe that. Now, from there, they go into a part. I cut out all the rest of this. Well, can I ask a question? Because it, I mean, it's not just the phone is what you have on the phone, which would be social media, feeling left out of the news cycle. So it's not just the phone. You know, heaven forbid you miss a headline.

Starting point is 02:38:58 Yeah. Or a great TikTok video. So they had a, I get those from Twitter. I know. And so they had a long exposition of ways of breaking free from the phone by putting it doing it. There's a bunch of exercises that none of them made any sense to me, except putting the phone in the drawer, which they don't bring that up. And so it goes on. I figured that was going to be my last clip.

Starting point is 02:39:19 And then they come up with the flip bone stuff. Here we go with the last clip. All right. Some people have moved to old fashioned flip phones. Larry, what do you think about that? Is that a good solution? You know, people have tried lots of solutions. They've tried taking people up to the mountains for a weekend without your phones at all. They've tried having you get a flip phone that basically acts as a dumb phone, and none of it has worked. Which is why this all feels so out of our control.

Starting point is 02:39:52 You mentioned control. We know that tech companies making this product are doing everything they can to keep us tied to that device. So I can see, we talked about addiction, I can see a path to quitting alcohol or tobacco. I do not see how we collectively separate ourselves from this technology. What are your thoughts? I don't think we have to separate ourselves from the technology. I think awareness is critical and the first part of awareness is looking at that screen, the screen time data and going, Oh my God, I didn't realize I was on so many hours,

Starting point is 02:40:26 what can I cut back on? So what you have to do is recognize that it's going to be uncomfortable for a while. But as long as you stick with it and do those tech breaks where you get to look at your phone every 15 to 30 minutes, you're going to feel like, oh, okay, I'm in good shape. I can focus for 30 minutes, talk to 30 minutes, you're going to feel like, oh, okay, I'm in good shape. I can focus for 30 minutes, talk to my spouse, watch a movie, whatever.

Starting point is 02:40:52 And it's not going to make me crazy. Yeah, this guy, I mean, this is not new. He's given me nothing. I'm not, I'm not excited by what he's saying. That's because he doesn't have the phone in the drawer. He is all in. He's also addicted. Oh yeah. You can't, this is like talking, you know, just like people, this is, everybody's in denial about this problem including the expert. Yeah, I'm gonna cancel that invitation to Rogan. You just got uninvited, bro. Hmm, now That was a little disappointing because I thought that he would have a lot more, but

Starting point is 02:41:30 this is not new information other than that he wrote a book about it. Just stop it. I mean, I leave my phone in the studio and at a't know, maybe after dinner, I'll go take a look or something. No, okay. And that's, it's usually just, is anything, is anything that's happening that's important, you know, with a show or whatever. But I try to keep everything in one room.

Starting point is 02:42:00 And when I go out, all I have, and I'm, when I go out, I'm only having, I had the flip phone, if Tina, I will say I'm when I go out if I'm only having I had the flip phone if Tina I will say I'm excited about the light phone Three Is it the light phone three or the light thrown almost like I pre-ordered one it should be that should be shipping Because the problem with the flip phone is when I mean I might as well not text because my my writing has retarded significantly. You know, it's the

Starting point is 02:42:32 screen is small, I don't see the mistakes, there's some auto correct in there. It's the most and of course, I have Dutch and English dictionary. So it's thrown out entire words in Dutch, I don't see it. It was just dumb. I mean people I insult people without intending to like saying horrible things. Oh Yeah, it's no good, but the light phone 3 I Really think this might be might be the one I had the light the red the light phone 2 which is really tiny and is not And it has a you know, it's not easy to use.

Starting point is 02:43:07 With the Light Throne Phone 3 should be a good texting machine and it has a camera. I like that. But you can't get the, there's no web browser, there's no email. It has some of the things you need a phone for, like navigation, handy, podcasts, hello, music, phone handy podcasts. Hello.

Starting point is 02:43:30 Um, music, phone, texts, and I think that's it. And a flashlight. What more do you need in a phone? I dunno. Like mine's in the drawer. Uh, you, well, you should write a book. I don't know what I'd say. Very short book. He's like, put your phone write a book. I don't know what I'd say. Very short book. Put your phone in a drawer.

Starting point is 02:43:49 Cold turkey, man. Cold turkey. All you need to do is put a big gold star on the front. It's in best seller. It's in best seller. It has one page. Put your phone in a drawer. No.

Starting point is 02:44:01 Oh, you know what you do? It's a member our buddy, the holo book guy, freeholobook drone. No. Oh, oh, you know what you do? It's a member, our buddy, the hollow book guy, free hollow books.com. How to get rid of your phone addiction. You open the book and you put your phone in the book and close it. Now that's a premium item. And then put it up on the, on this in the bookshelf. Yeah, that that's a good idea.

Starting point is 02:44:22 The ultimate guide to getting rid of your phone and you open it up and it's just a hole. You put your phone in and put it on the bookshelf. That would stop. It's a great gag gift. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's a good gift. I like it.

Starting point is 02:44:38 Well, speaking of addiction, there's a lawsuit against the major bookmakers. These guys, they are, you know, I think females, women, girls, I think they get very addicted to the social nature, the texting in particular of the phone. Young boys, ooh boy. In January of 2025 alone, Marilyn Betters wagered more than $457 million on DraftKings and FanDuel.

Starting point is 02:45:05 That's according to a new complaint filed Thursday by the city of Baltimore against two sportsbooks alleging misleading tactics. They'll call me and say like, we have this promotion and blah blah blah and we see you haven't been in a while so they do stuff like that, yeah. The city accuses them of engaging in deceptive and unfair practices to target and exploit vulnerable Baltimore users using algorithms to keep problem gamblers betting, as well as misleading promotions like bonus bets and no-swept bets to create compulsive gambling behavior.

Starting point is 02:45:42 The complaint reads, defendants are not interested in people merely dipping their toes in the water. They want betters to bet in significant amounts over and over. Some get hooked and that's the point. The law firm representing the city tells 11 News, the sports books are in violation of the consumer protection ordinance.

Starting point is 02:46:03 If they don't see you wagering quickly enough, they'll reach out to you and say, well, you've been a little quiet. We're going to put a couple of hundred dollars in your account, have at it. So they do all these things to bring you closer and closer to them. The Maryland Center of Excellence on Problem Gambling

Starting point is 02:46:20 encourages folks to set a budget and time limits before opening up a sports betting app. Yeah, I believe this to be completely true. I do too because it's a known fact that people can easily be addicted to gambling. I can't get this idea out of my head. You guys got a publishing company, you got too many eggs.com, you got, let's do a book. Here's the book I want to do with you. Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak,

Starting point is 02:46:49 the no agenda show guide to getting rid of your phone addiction. Oh, but back on that. Yes. It's a great idea. The hollow book. Yes. This, this is one you can actually execute on. Well, the problem with that hollow book is that it's mass producing the hollow book. It's not a problem. I think it is. You're so lazy. No, it's not a matter of laziness in this case.

Starting point is 02:47:16 Besides that, Jay does all the work for that publishing company, not me. Well, tell Jay about it. And she's not lazy, I can assure you. Tell Jay about it. She's not lazy, I can assure you. Tell Jay about it. She won't, I'm telling you right in advance that unless we can find somebody in China, which is now going to be impossible, can do hollow books and mass produce them, because that would sell at least, I don't know, anywhere from 5 to 25,000 copies depending on what time of the year it is. How close are we to Christmas? This is a crazy thought, just a crazy thought. Ready? 25,000 copies depending on what time of year it is.

Starting point is 02:47:50 This is a crazy thought, just a crazy thought. Ready? I'm going to blow you away with my crazy thought. I am convinced without even doing the research that there is an American company that can do these at scale and they'd be happy to and they'll and someone knows them and they're listening to this show right now. Okay. We're America, man. We don't need China. We're good at messaging through this show for marketing purposes. We will sell. We will sell, sell, sell, sell, sell, I tell you. And if not, we'll always get our guy Rütte sell for us, because man, he is still out there selling us. Well, as I said last week in Warsaw, I know there has been some tough language. I know that there have been allies, for example, on this side of the pond, being worried about the long-term commitment of the US to NATO.

Starting point is 02:48:41 And I was in the White House, but before I went to the White House, we had President Macron there and Prime Minister Stammer and on so many other occasions. Don't worry, the US is not going to leave NATO. The Americans have stated again and again, we are committed to NATO, we are committed to Article 5. This commitment comes with a clear expectation, the expectation that... Is spend more on our stuff. On this side of the Atlantic and Canada, we will spend more, commit to delivering on the 2% and then move upwards

Starting point is 02:49:14 because of these gaps we still have in this part. 5% everybody. Of NATO to deliver on all the targets. And that's the process we're in the middle of. And in the meantime, the hundreds of billions are rolling in as we speak. This is, this is, he has brown shoes. What did he say? The hundreds of billions are what? The hundreds of billions are rolling in as we speak.

Starting point is 02:49:39 It's great. In the meantime, the hundreds of billions are rolling in as we speak. Where are they rolling into? That will continue now over the coming days and weeks is my expectation. And we have to do this because of the Russian threat. And because of the increasing China. Russia, China. Threat. So let's not be naive about that. No. But I'm absolutely convinced this alliance is there to stay with the US. Their commitment is absolutely clear.

Starting point is 02:50:13 We want to do more together in the Pacific even. And we want to work on many issues, including in the Arctic. And I think that is also positive. NATO is North Atlantic Treaty Organization, but we're going to do more in the Pacific. So it will be IPTO, a new organization, IPTO, Indo-Pacific trade organization, something. Okay. And remember there's more. When it comes to China, China, it's important.

Starting point is 02:50:51 Let's be totally clear about this. Yes, be clear. Know that they help and support the Russia's war effort through war effort, through sanctioned circumvention, through delivery of dual use goods. So they are an integral part of the war effect and now North Korea oh no sending its soldiers to Europe oh no to war here oh no we know that Russians are repaying them not only with money but also with technology which and hookers Indians is also posing a threat to the United States

Starting point is 02:51:19 and to the whole of NATO territory and to the in the Pacific no Iran involved very much involved, and getting money from the Russians by which they then... Wait, wait, wait, the Russians are giving money to Iran? Can stir up even more trouble in the Middle East as Iranians love to do directly and through their proxies in Lebanon. Man, this guy just can't stop talking.

Starting point is 02:51:42 He's the best, he's the best. He's a yak yak a yak machine. ...in Gaza and Lebanon. So this is really a global issue. Global. Global. Welcome to MH17. This is very close to my heart and many in my country and in Australia because as you know Australia was the second...

Starting point is 02:51:59 Now he's bringing in MH17. As you know the Russians killed all those people on MH17. Not conclusive. Hardest hit country with many people dying in the MH17 in that terrible disaster on the 17th of July 2014. 196 from my country. And that means that I'm now not in a national government, but this is clearly a position the Dutch government has always stated and I have no reason to think that has changed.

Starting point is 02:52:29 Okay, wonderful. So he brings up the threats, many threats and Netanyahu was in Hungary and he talked about some threats and it's the H3. H3 is the new threat. But I would say that our cooperation goes deeper than that because I believe we are fighting a similar battle for the future of our common civilization. Our Judeo-Christian civilization, Western civilization as we understand it. It's under assault right now for one powerful quarter and that's radical Islam. Radical Islam in the Middle East is spearheaded

Starting point is 02:53:05 by one country, and that's Iran. It has proxies, the Three Hs, Hezbollah, Hamas, the Houthis, and others, but the center, the pulsating engine is Iran. We were attacked by Iran's proxies in a murderous campaign by Hamas terrorists who raped our women, beheaded our men, burnt our babies, and took hostages, were committed to bring back home all of them, including a hostage of Hungarian citizenship, Omri. We discussed this. We'll bring them back all home. But we will smash the Iranian axis, the Iranian terror axis, which threatens not only us, but Europe and many of our neighbors in the Middle East. We're committed to doing so. And by doing that, we are also

Starting point is 02:53:57 protecting Europe. Maybe there are some in Europe who don't understand this, but Viktor Orban understands this. He understands this common battle for our values, for our interests, and for our common security. And I want to thank you for that. Well, Hungary has no worry about radical Islam because they just didn't let him in like the rest of Europe. I was talking to Christina, she's moving out of Rotterdam.

Starting point is 02:54:19 She can't take it anymore. Where's she gonna go? Zandam, Zandam. Zandam, Zandam. Yeah, she's, I can't take it anymore. It's just not fun walking on the street as a woman. And it's not radical Islam, but it's definitely Moroccans. Yeah, Moroccan horn dogs.

Starting point is 02:54:44 Hardly radical Islam. No. Just the opposite. But, you know, we have had a couple of interesting things happen in the Netherlands and Amsterdam. We had a guy just, and this was a Ukrainian, I think. He decided to go stab a bunch of people. Then some other dude drove his car onto the damn square and exploded it, lit it on fire, and he was on fire.

Starting point is 02:55:07 People losing their ever-loving minds over there. Now, the reason why Netanyahu was able to go there is because Hungary has renounced the International Criminal Court. Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is facing an international arrest warrant and yet he received a red carpet welcome in Budapest by Prime Minister Viktor Orban, breaking the country's obligation to bring him into custody.

Starting point is 02:55:33 Orban subsequently said he would quit the International Criminal Court. I was the Prime Minister who signed the document to join the ICC in 2000. And I was the one who signed the document to leave it in the past few days. It is our conviction that in recent years it has become not a neutral legal court but a political court. Netanyahu is wanted by the ICC for alleged war crimes and crimes

Starting point is 02:55:55 against humanity in the Gaza Strip, including starvation as a method of warfare, murder, persecution and other inhumane acts. His trip to Budapest is highly symbolic at a time when his army is expanding its military operations in the enclave. He is expected to spend four days meeting with officials trying to garner support. Standing alongside Orban, he too criticised the ICC, saying Israel is fighting a just war with just means. He hailed Hungary's decision. Victor Orban, did you visit Epstein Island? They got something on him. Well, I'll tell you this, then Yahoo's got an issue here with what happened to these Red Crescent people that were basically killed illegally by the IDF forces. I do have a clip of this because it became a big topic on the BBC and elsewhere.

Starting point is 02:56:54 Okay. It is. Where is this clip? I don't see it. Yeah, Israel worker scandal. Okay. I don't see it. Ah yeah, Israel worker scandal. Ah, okay. The Israeli military has admitted its soldiers made mistakes over the killings of 15 emergency workers in Gaza after footage emerged casting doubt on its version of events.

Starting point is 02:57:16 The convoy came under fire near Raffa last week. Israel had initially said the vehicles approached suspiciously in darkness without headlights or emergency lights, but video filmed by a paramedic killed in the shooting appeared to contradict those claims. Alfie Tobert reports. The footage, published by the Palestine Red Crescent Society, shows clearly marked vehicles with their headlights and emergency lights on. At least one of the workers is wearing a reflective uniform. It

Starting point is 02:57:45 appears to contradict the Israeli military's original explanation for why it opened fire just seconds later. At a briefing, an Israeli official admitted that account was inaccurate. They said the soldiers had earlier fired at a car containing three Hamas members, and when the emergency convoy stopped nearby nearby the troops assumed they were under threat Israel maintains at least six of the medics were linked to Hamas, but it's not yet provided evidence to back up that claim They're certainly fulfilling the prophecy of all the nations hating Israel that is moving along just just splendid Well that brings me to an ask Adam. I'm glad you said that just splendid. Well, that brings me to an Ask Adam.

Starting point is 02:58:23 I'm glad you said that. Ask Adam. Answer the question, go. All right, what's the question? Well, the question is, what is this all about? Because I don't, I figured you all, maybe Adam knows.

Starting point is 02:58:39 Why this woman, this TikToker comes out with this commentary and then just ends it. And I don't know what the hell she's talking about. Okay, so 144,000 Jewish virgin males. They're all men from the 12 tribes. During the three days of darkness, they will be activated.

Starting point is 02:59:04 That's what they are. Jewish male virgins from the twelve tribes. Thank you. Well, you've stumped me. The three days of darkness and the 144,000 Jewish virgins. What are she talking about? I do not recall reading this in my Bible, but I will inquire for you. I will go to my theologian expert and friend, Pastor Jimmy. I'll ask him about it.

Starting point is 02:59:33 I thought you'd know right off the top of your head. You know, I actually thought you might know this right off the top of your head. That would be excellent if I did. I had never heard of it. Yeah, it would be, but I guess I was wrong. Okay. Well, is it the 12 from the 12 somehow? You don't have to try to figure it out. Just ask. I will. Now I do have some clips on child labor laws being back.

Starting point is 02:59:52 Child labor being back as a thing. You mean in your house? It's always been a thing in my house. You've always been for child labor in the family. I've think child labor is a good thing. I said, and I was a kid, I was a paper boy when I was a little kid. And then as I got older, I worked every summer in high school. That's not what I'm talking about.

Starting point is 03:00:13 In the history of the show, I could look it up, but just trust me, you have said, no, no, you gotta put the kids to work for the family business. And you do. And you do. You always have. Jay and Buzzkill Jr. both have worked and she still works for the family business. And you do. And you do. You always have, Jay and Buzzkill Jr. both have worked and she still works for the family business. And I think it's great. It's like you're a farmer,

Starting point is 03:00:32 just not a crop. Exactly. I am a farmer in spirit. Book farmer. So here's the thing, this clip's about, they've tried to change some of these laws because they don't want kids working, even though it's legal at some point. When I was a kid, I remember being in,

Starting point is 03:00:52 I think it was the eighth grade or high school, where if you were 15, I think you could be 15, and all you need is a note from the high school called a work permit, And you could work. Like you wanted to work part time during the week or whatever. And it was no big deal. In fact, everyone relished these jobs because all the kids, I'm not, I mean, not all the kids worked, but I was one of them.

Starting point is 03:01:15 I always worked. And when I did, I always had more, I had money and you know, it's a big deal to have some cash on hand. When you have money, you can get girls. Yeah, and get the girls. So let's listen to these clips. Some states have been loosening the rules around how much teens should be allowed to work on the job.

Starting point is 03:01:36 And the Republican-led Florida legislature is debating questions like whether 14-year-olds can have jobs or how late bosses can ask 16-year-olds to work on school nights. In Tallahassee, WFSU's Tristan Wood reports. One proposal would allow 16-year-olds to work more than the current 30-hour-a-week cap, including longer days and later hours, even on school nights. Another would loosen some limits on 14-year-olds working if they're in homeschool, virtual education or already graduated.

Starting point is 03:02:07 One of the bills is sponsored by Tampa Republican state Senator Jay Collins. He says it is about parental rights and giving children more access to jobs. I believe that parents are best suited to take care of their kids and manage their schedules and make sure that they're doing what's best for them. I don't understand why the state needs to go beyond the federal regulations in this case. Federal laws are weaker, but Florida already loosened some child labor laws last year, and the state isn't alone. Nina Mast is a policy and economic analyst at the Washington-based Economic Policy Institute, which seeks to improve wages for working people. She

Starting point is 03:02:45 says dozens of states have considered similar bills and several passed some last year. What we are seeing, especially coming out of the pandemic, is really just a push that is led by the business industry and some right-wing think tanks to be able to make it easier to hire young people at lower wages for longer hours and in more hazardous jobs under the guise of wanting to address a so called labor shortage. Hmm. So it's under the guise according to this, this lefty and it's all right wing

Starting point is 03:03:20 think tanks and they don't want kids working. You know, think about this. We could set up an AI company that just has a bunch of kids who are filling out forms. Yeah, like the Indians do. Agenetic AI, and we just have kids do it. I love it. It's a good idea.

Starting point is 03:03:39 It is a good idea. Onward. Mast says the changes are intended to drive down wages that went up in lower paying industries during the pandemic, meaning jobs like servers and restaurants and delivery drivers. This is really a concerted nationwide effort. Stop the clip. Stopping the clip.

Starting point is 03:03:56 You can't have a delivery driver who's 14. Let's start with that premise. So we're dealing with false equivalencies and fake premises. Oh, yeah, this is so they get delivery drivers, like a 14, 15, even a 16-year-old delivery driver, I don't know, so they can get them cheaper? No, no, no. This is bull crap. Meaning jobs like servers and restaurants and delivery drivers. This is really a concerted nationwide effort to essentially create a permanent underclass of disempowered low wage workers.

Starting point is 03:04:30 Florida Governor Ron DeSantis seemed to back the general idea of more minors in the labor force speaking recently at an immigration panel that included U.S. Immigration Czar Tom Homan. What's wrong with expecting our young people to be working part-time now? I mean like that's how it used to be when I was growing up. Why do we say we need to import foreigners, even import them illegally, when teenagers used to work at these resorts? He didn't mention child labor laws, but his comments were seized on by Democratic lawmakers who said child

Starting point is 03:05:04 labor shouldn't be used to enable an immigration crackdown. John Flitter, a political science professor at Kansas State University, who's written a book on child labor laws, agrees. John Flitter, Professor of Political Science, Kansas State University, Jr. Studies show that when kids start working, you know, these hours, they do not do well in school. Some of them drop out, you know. And if you don't have a high school degree, a diploma,

Starting point is 03:05:26 you're not really going to be successful financially for the rest of your life. Oh, really? This is bull crap. Yeah. I mean, go learn how to weld. And this is his permanent underclass and then DeSantis himself says he used to work like that when he was a kid. He's the governor of the state. How is that a permanent underclass? And besides that we're talking about 14 and 15 year olds who do not stay that age for more than a year. This whole thing is like a design to promote immigration. No, we don't want the kids working. We don't want them having any jobs or learning any life skills.

Starting point is 03:05:58 Screw the kids of America. Bring in some immigrants. That's all. This is about. Bring back apprenticeships. That's another good thing. That's exactly right. Yeah. Where you learn something. But no, no, no. It was an exploitation, a permanent underclass. You sound very upset by this. I am very upset by it because I used to work.

Starting point is 03:06:21 It all stems from the one experience I had probably, I don't know, 25 years ago. I was bitching and moaning. I was in Port Townsend, Washington. I remember exactly where it took place and there was a bunch of kids and they were sitting around doing nothing and I don't know, I got into a conversation with them. Were they your kids? Were they your kids? Just random kids. No, they were just a bunch of kids. I don't know who they were. You just walked out and said, kids. They were just, they were ne'er do well high schoolers. And I mentioned some, I somehow the conversation, we got into a conversation. I talked about when I was, I don't understand why these, why you're here or why you get a part-time job.

Starting point is 03:06:58 Or you could be doing something. I'm sounding like an old man. And, but the point was the kids called me out. They said, when you were a kid, it was different. We would love to get a job. We can't get a job. There are no jobs for us. So you can complain about this all you want, he says, the guy. But you're talking to the wrong people because I love to go get a job for the summer. It was during the summer. And it really affected me. Ever since then, I've noticed this whole idea, let's keep the kids from working.

Starting point is 03:07:32 Don't do it. Let's bring in immigrants and have them do the jobs. And then I remembered, like I used to be a paperboy, and then that paperboy job used to went and eventually fell onto the immigrants who drove cars around and started delivering the papers door to door, out of a car, throwing the paper out of the window. It's just like the whole thing is designed to screw the American public. And then listen to these apologists really gets me irked. We need to stop using the paper boy as an example because that... Well, there's no such thing and people don't know what I'm talking about. Exactly. That opens you up to school.

Starting point is 03:08:09 But I learned how to shoe horses with the blacksmith. You did it? Yes. I've told you this story. I don't remember you shoeing horses. We had Cora. We had Cora De Smits and he was the blacksmith and he did all kinds of stuff But I had an apprenticeship with him two or three days a week and then he'd teach me how to shoe horses which is a

Starting point is 03:08:36 Dynamite way to get rid of the sniffles and the minute you put a hot horseshoe on a horseshoe and And that smelled and then banging it out on the anvil. Oh yeah, it was great and you have to stand behind the horse and then take his rear leg and put it between your knees. Oh yeah. Now, not a lot of apprenticeships in horseshoeing either, but welding... There's lots of apprenticeships all over the place for all kinds of things, if they existed, but they pulled them from the market because, oh, let's just bring some immigrants in and let them work cheap.

Starting point is 03:09:09 These apologists for this screw up are unacceptable to me. And this is NPR at its best. State Senator Collins defends his legislation, saying teens working jobs provides other skills they can't get in school. We want our kids to be academically prepared, but let's talk about soft skills. Let's talk about adult function. Let's talk about executive thought process and management. Where do they learn that?

Starting point is 03:09:34 No! Do we teach them that in school? I think if you go look at what's going on, we really don't. We don't prepare them for executive function. We don't even have home ec and things like that. It's unclear what will pass Florida's legislature. The Senate president and House speakers both say they're unsure about further reducing child labor protections. But in a committee meeting this week, lawmakers raised the idea of loosening rules for 13-year-olds to work

Starting point is 03:09:57 in the summer. Well, oh, you have to loosen the rules so a 13 year old can work in the summer. Oh no. Yeah. Permanent underclass. I mean, around here in Fredericksburg, there's plenty of opportunities. You can work with Paul the septic guy. The septic guy.

Starting point is 03:10:22 Hey, let me tell you, Paul the septic guy does pretty good. I bet he does. You had a lot of septic out there. You can work with Pete the well guy. You can work with Shane the electrician. He'd love to have some apprenticeships. He's hard for him to get paid workers to understand what they're doing. Anyway, we're old men.

Starting point is 03:10:43 By the way, I need to brush up on my eschatology and I will be the first to admit Revelation is not my book. It's a very very very complicated one. Revelation 7 for then I heard the number of those who were sealed 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel. There's nothing about virgins or three days of darkness. This is end times stuff, man. End times. That's what she was talking about. The end times are coming. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And Macron is the anti-Christ.

Starting point is 03:11:21 Well, that's possible.. Well someone sent me actually an interesting thing. What was it about that? He's not doing it by the way. It's an anti-Christ. He stinks. Okay. He's no good as an anti-Christ. I agree. One of Daniel's description of the anti-Christ is, he's be without the love of a woman. Well I'm just saying. That's right. We keep our eyes on the end times for you. Only partially joking. And now we want to thank the rest of our supporters, donors, and lovers and producers who sent

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Starting point is 03:13:09 Okay. Oh yeah. Angela Garcia she was at the meetup and she came in with a hundred and she also and I don't realize Angela's always producing she does she's like an artist who does little miniatures. Oh. She always yeah I think she had gave me a little podcast once, but this last time she gives a small framed, I think, Samoan, or it's not Samoan, it's some other mermaid,

Starting point is 03:13:36 which was a, which JC knew about this mermaid, which was a fake, which was a mermaid that some scientists cobbled together as a proof of mermaids existing. It was complete fraud. And she made a little bitty one. Anyway, in a frame. It's very interesting. Every meetup she shows up and drops something off like that.

Starting point is 03:13:58 Sir Zulbat. Sir Zulbat. A hundred bucks. Cole Gregory in Amherst, Ohio, 8008. Is it Zul? Zulbat? Zulbat. Sir Zulbat. A hundred bucks. Cole Gregory in Amherst, Ohio. 8008. Kevin McLaughlin, there he is. He's the Duke of Luna, lover of American boobs. 8008. And now we start with the happy birthdays. The first one's kind of high because it came in from Paris, France and all with all the, I guess, the rigamaroles.

Starting point is 03:14:23 Sheila sent a happy birthday from Paris, Paris, 7982. Warm wishes. Sheila from Paris. Okay. All right. Jason Shepherd in Trinidad, Colorado, 7643. And I'm just going to read the names and locations of all these birthday well-wishers,

Starting point is 03:14:41 starting with Jason, Frank Van De Ven in Maasmechelen, Belgium. Is it Belgium? Yeah, Belgium. Yeah, 70s. Jeffrey Montagna in Phoenix, Arizona, and Jeff Jack, I'm sorry, Shoalfield in Yankee Town, Yankee Town, Florida. Anonymous in Pensworth, Pennsylvania. Dame Beth in Tucson, Arizona. By the way, somebody also handed off a couple of silver coins and I didn't get their name on them. So sorry about that.

Starting point is 03:15:22 Dan Martin in Washougal. I know most of these Washington towns but never heard of this one, Washougal, 73 W1 BUS. 73s. Fans of y'all since you worked at a place in the TV, Tech TV, Anna Hamm, Gadget Freak 10 in Western Springs, Illinois, Michael Mayers in Diamond Head, Mississippi, Sir Goat of the Hill in Pleasant Ridge, Michigan, Commodore G in Cincinnati, Danella Daniella, I think. Epompo in Los Angeles, California. Visit LA, she writes. Dorothy Schroedert in Corvallis, Oregon. Eric Hanna in Chicago, anonymous in Georgia.

Starting point is 03:16:23 Bra Bruce Hutchison in Anthem, Arizona. Colonel John C. J-A-W-N-C. Kind of interesting. Enjoy your biscuits and bordeaux. He's from Kirkland. Randy O'Rourke, parts unknown. Kirk Struck, Jason Babcock, Dame Astrid and Sir Mark, they came in.

Starting point is 03:16:54 That's nice. That's sweet. Best boomer ever, they say. That's me. That's right. And I can complain as with the best of them. Dame Lacey and Lake Mills wish wish again wish again wish again I'm using that from now on

Starting point is 03:17:09 wish again Wisconsin sir dirty Jersey whore in Gladewater, Texas. Have you ever run into him? Yes many times. He's about seven feet tall lovely Yes, with somebody at the meetup, I met Dirty Jersey whore. And he says, Dirty Jersey or something on his back or Jersey. Yeah. And he says, the guy's a monster. He's huge.

Starting point is 03:17:31 He's a nice guy, sweetheart. Yeah. He said he's a super nice guy. The bigger they are, the bigger they are. Very generous, very sweet. Well, he gave us a nice decent blade water. And he's tasty. Sir Bee Boop in New Brighton, Minnesota. Donald Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr in Chico. RF Ider in Fairfax Virginia. How about RF Idier? RF Idier. I think that's

Starting point is 03:18:11 the guy who may have something with RF ID things I guess. I'm just just just yeah to it it sounds like but I think he may be a guy who also dropped off something okay or put something in the envelope of interest. Laura Heer in Williston, Vermont. Stephen Tucci in Littleton, Colorado. Sir Austin in Sammamish, Washington. Baron of Puget Sound, actually. Dame Rita, there she is in Sparks, Nevada. Kimberly Bridges, Sarasota, Florida. He's all say happy birthday, by the way. Sir Latte from Starbucks. No, he's in Bremerton, Washington.

Starting point is 03:18:56 Sir Rick Alcid, Trent Crazy Steve. There's our guy. The second. There's more of them. There's more of them. Might be. Sir John, parts unknown. Danny Haynes, sir becoming heroic, top notch heating. And what is it? You haven't broke out. It's a plug for top notch heating and air and air conditioning in Mantee, Utah. That's what you want to go to. Sir Johnny bananas and Dame Sally Bananas in Fowler, Indiana.

Starting point is 03:19:31 Sir Robertson in Dos Palos, California. Ahmed Mian in Calgary, Alberta. And that ended it by the way. And by the way, Ahmed Mian, whoian, he sent $100 in Canadian dollary dues and he actually sent me a note. What was the note that he sent? He needs a jobs karma and I will give that to him at the end. Here's what he said. What did he say here?

Starting point is 03:19:59 He needs jobs karma. Yeah, good for you. Yes, okay. You got it. So his $100 became $67.31. Yeah, and that. Yes, okay. You got it. So, his hundred dollars became $67.31. There you go. And that's probably plus fees. Yeah, maybe. David Cox in Austin, Texas, $63.25. Troy Funderberk in Missoula, Montana, $55. Michael Gates, $52.80. Roger Kesey in Holland, Michigan, $52.72.

Starting point is 03:20:27 These are all $50 donors. Sometimes you can read them off as 50s, except for, well, you got Craig Bodak, Parts Unknown, Gordon Myers, and Dripping Springs, $51.50. These are officially $50 donors. Chris Connicker in Anchorage, Alex Zavala in Kiley, Texas. Sir Alex, yes. Sir Alex. Mark Miller in Lenox, Lenoxa.

Starting point is 03:20:51 Lenoxa, I think is how it's pronounced, Kansas. Henry Klan in Aledo, Texas. Corey Jackson in Waterton, Tennessee. Walker Phillips over here in San Rafael, California and last on the list good list Vansed in Virginia. I think boy advanced it may have been the one who sent the extra gift I'll tell you about that later Okay, I want to thank these people. Is it exploding? It's exploding dildo Hey everybody. Thank you so much for celebrating John's birthday

Starting point is 03:21:27 with us. It's an annual tradition here on the show. We do it twice a year. One for me, one for John and we appreciate that. Nowagenedonations.com. Here's the jobs karma as requested. Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs! You've got karma. We also celebrated Britney Johnson's birthday as her husband Jordan Johnson, who wishes her smoking hot wife, Britney, a very happy one. She turned 40 on April 5th. Akasha Glecha, ha, you're messing up, says happy birthday to her son Adam. He turned 18 on the 5th of April as well. And we say happy birthday to these people from everybody here. The best podcast in the universe we do that title change from earlier sir lawrence of dystopia ups his uh up his support to the show in the amount of one thousand dollars so he becomes sir lawrence of

Starting point is 03:22:44 dystopia, Baronet of Maxwell Park. That's on the spreadsheet, that's not what you approve, but that's how it went down, so now I guess it's official. Congratulations, Sir Lawrence, now Baronet, and we thank you very much for your support of the No Agenda Show. We have three Commodores to welcome, and we start by welcoming Commodore Indomitable Dame Melody Fuguzoto, Commodore Sir Ronald Lafferty and Commodore Cheeky and Anonymous Commodores arriving! Go to knowagendaring.com, you brand new Commodores, and give us your address so that we can get your Commodore shipping your paperwork out to you as soon as possible and of course let us know what

Starting point is 03:23:25 Nanny would like on it. We thank you all very much for supporting the best podcast in the universe. Zane Peterson is a layaway knight. It works people. You just lay away a little bit, do one of those recurring donations. He says, hey guys, I never thought I'd make it to knighthood so I never checked. The other day I was scrolling through PayPal to find something and I was like, holy cow I think I'm close to nighthood. I tallied things up and I was I was over the mark. So on to the cool stuff

Starting point is 03:23:50 I'd like my night name to be zur Zanamak of the squared circle and I'll have good old mutton and mead Thanks a million he says and he wants a jobs karma from Nancy jobs jobs jobs and jobs Let's vote for jobs! You've got karma. So why don't we see we have two here why don't we bring these knights up on the table I've got my blade here if you can. Here you go I go. Draw your sword very nice nice sword drawing sir. Zane Peterson you're ready to go Marty from Weinsberg you are ready to go as well. And we'll be thinking of you, Marty.

Starting point is 03:24:29 You got this, as they say. Both of you have supported the Noaginna Show directly or through proxy and $1,000 or more. I'm very proud to pronounce the K-D-S, Sir Zanamak of the squared circle and Sir Marty van Wijnsbergen of the Coachella Valley. For you gentlemen we have hookers and blow, rent boys and Chardonnay or Belgian frites de cote and a cold unsweetened

Starting point is 03:24:51 Mountain Dew along with that Ruben S. Lumin and Rosé, Geissens and Sake, Bong and Suburban, Sparkling Cider and Escorts, Ginger Ale and Gerbils, Breast Milk and Pavlov or as always the Mutton and the Mead. You also are welcome to go to NoAgendaRings.com. In this case, use the handy ring sizing guide to let us know exactly what size ring you want for your night ring. It is a Cygnet ring, so we also give you wax to use when sealing your

Starting point is 03:25:16 important correspondence. And as always, this also comes with a certificate of authenticity. Welcome to both of you to the NoAgenda roundtable of our nights and to the No Agenda Roundtable of our Nights and Dames. We are in a time where people are trying to divide and trying to attack relationships. And this is a moment for you to keep relationships going to build new ones to restore old ones perhaps but connection is protection if you go to a no agenda meetup you can find them at

Starting point is 03:25:52 no agenda meetups.com they are all producer organized they're fun they're a lot of fun to go to everybody's willing to talk you can have a drink you can hang out you can be weird you can be as weird as you want to be no one cares because you know You're part of the no agenda family we get it no agenda meetups commas where you can find the entire listing calendar Here's a meter per port. This was the crossword puzzle meetup I'm an at you from the TMI evac zone meetup, and I'm training up the next generation of anti AI warriors No, I is stealing our future. Have a nice day from Steve. Sercastic the Nomad. Thank you for your courage.

Starting point is 03:26:28 It's Jason with the Great Read Tees here with my smoking hot wife Natasha. Alright, remember your servers, people. Tip them and get them in the Meetup reports. One Meetup today, only one. Actually, this is April 10th, so that's... That doesn't make any sense. That would be this coming Thursday.

Starting point is 03:26:44 That would be this coming Thursday. That one. This coming Thursday, the Outer Swamp Meetup is at 6 o'clock at the Dogfish Head Ale House, a new location in Gaithersburg, Maryland. So make sure you check that on the meetup site. Coming up in the upcoming month we have Schofield, Wisconsin, Oklahoma City, Colorado Springs, Mount Laurel Township, Jersey, Eagle, Idaho, Fort Wayne, Indiana, big one, Houston, Texas, Toronto, Ontario, Indianapolis, Keene, New Hampshire, again, no it's a different, Charlotte, North Carolina, Leiden in the Netherlands, Bedford, Texas, Sacramento, California, Los Angeles, California, and that's just April. We got them all the way through June and you can find those at NoagentandMeetups.com. Enjoy your time.

Starting point is 03:27:36 Connection is protection. These are your first responders in emergency. You need these relationships. NoagentandMeetups.com. If you can't find one, start one yourself. these relationships. Noah Ba da ba da ba ba, bum bum, it's like a party. Like a big party. I will continue to try real isos, while you just use AI for what it's really good for. Surfing websites, creating videos for Scare Manga,

Starting point is 03:28:16 and end of show isos. That's really what that hundred billion dollar industry is about. I have two. I'm going to start with the first one. Everything's going to go up. No, that's no good. I thought this, I thought this one was good. Dude, what's going on?

Starting point is 03:28:32 Hmm. How's that? What is that going to do at the end of the show? Nothing. Because I don't type in a prompt. Well, I got a real one in here. Please. Let's go with 10 real one in here. Please. Let's go with 10.

Starting point is 03:28:47 Ten out of ten, perfection. What's that got to do with the show? Yeah. Yeah, very funny. Yeah. Let's go with the Arab shoots. Yeah, no, that's no good. Shhh... Arab... Arab shoots. Yeah, no, that's no good.

Starting point is 03:29:09 That was the real one. That's no good. Okay, well, let's try... What is this? Dips. Come on, dipshits. Do another hour. No, I don't like that. I... You would bulk against that saying that is...

Starting point is 03:29:22 portrays us negatively. We are not dipshits. So that's a no. Hard no. I agree. I just threw it in just to add a little spice. Yes, okay. And then we got no.

Starting point is 03:29:34 No, it can't be over already. Let me see between that one and... Ten out of ten, perfection. I think that's the best one. Ten out of ten, perfection. Still looking for yo, yo, yo, what up. Yo, yo, yo, what up. Somebody got that's the best one. 10 out of 10 perfection. Still looking for yo yo yo what up. Somebody got to do that. No, but you can do it. I know there's a trick you can do it with and it's using the voice changer. In other words, you don't use the AI to create the voice. Use your

Starting point is 03:29:59 own voice and say yo yo yo what up and then you tweak it. Someone out there can just record it you can do it. You don't need AI for that. But apparently no one wants to participate. They don't want to do it. Everybody it's time for everybody's favorite moment of the show. This is John's tip of the day. There's a product tip. I get product tips once in a while. Besides cleaning tips. I think everyone should get, you get by these, by the pair, there's like two sets of them and the,

Starting point is 03:30:44 and everyone should have these because it's the only way to go. And otherwise you're dicking around, dicking around trying to find the right charging cable. Oh no. It's the multi charging five in one, two pieces, four foot cables that have a U S B C on one side and a micro USB. And, uh, uh, have a USB-C on one side and a micro USB. It just has all these different connections. They have three or four of them that you can plug in

Starting point is 03:31:11 that you find, because of all these USB things they've created, they've ruined it. You got your C, you got your micro, you got your one that Google uses, you got the one that the iPhone, they don't even use, they don't even bother. iPhone screws you over. But, so you should buy these things,

Starting point is 03:31:28 you get two of them for 10 bucks. And get them while they last, because I'm sure they're coming out of China. So, you're so against USBC, but isn't this kind of exactly why USBC is good as a standard? Why? Well, because everybody, I mean, all my devices now have USBC.

Starting point is 03:31:51 Yeah, that's the whole idea so they can spy on you. What do you need when you have the regular small USB connector which has four pins? Count them, four pins, and they can go at incredibly high speeds why do we suddenly need a 24 pin connector for AI for AI man it's for AI for AI throughput for lack of latency and it's a bunch a little bit in there so minuscule that you if you put the thing in just such it's the bound to screw up they're bound to break they They're no good. USBC is no good.

Starting point is 03:32:27 You heard it here first. You heard it here first everybody. USBC is no good. It'll never fly. I never said that. But I'm putting words in your mouth. Hey, tip of the day down there, noagendafun.com. I've created vines for you and me Just a tip with JCB And sometimes, Adam Created by Dana Bernetti There you go everybody, there's your tip of the day

Starting point is 03:32:51 I have a tip for next week For Thursday I got a couple of tips Sitting around in my underwear, Tina's out in Florida I got tips, I got lots of tips for you Put some clothes on Here's a tip my tip is that if you stay tuned to the Noah Jenner stream trollroom.io on on your modern podcast app

Starting point is 03:33:15 you will hear behind the schemes coming up in just moments from now as we cruise right into that because it's a live thing we got going on it It's just like radio, only cheaper and a lot more fun. End of show mixes. Thank you, Tom Starkweather for a redux of Trump's tariffs. This was from 2019, but it still fits. And Professor J. Jones comes in with some, aha, aha stuff. Coming to you from the heart of the Texas Hill country here in Fredericksburg picturesque Fredericksburg I might add in the morning everybody I'm Adam Curry man from northern Silicon Valley where it's been picturesque and the weather's better I'm John C. Dvorak we return on Thursday with more of your no agenda show we hope you will join us for that

Starting point is 03:34:03 we certainly look forward to it I'm sure there will be something to deconstruct. Remember us at NoAgendaDonations.com. Until then, adios, mofos, a hooey, hooey, and such. He said we're going to put tariffs on Mexico. Well, Senators said, wait a minute. Republicans on the Hill haven't shown a whole lot of willingness to stand up to this president. He's got a 90% approval rating among Republican voters, and all the Republican senators know that. And every month those tariffs go from 5% to 10% to 15% to 20% and then to 25%. It's the color orange.

Starting point is 03:34:35 If tariffs is what it takes to get Mexico to do better on their side of the border, I'm all for tariffs. President Trump has a habit of proposing asinine and dangerous policies before backing off. It would be my hope that they're going to work out things so the tariffs don't go into effect. It just will not work. And this will directly and immediately affect the American consumer. So maybe it's just a threat, who knows? I mean, he said the last thing that he said is that he's deadly serious.

Starting point is 03:35:04 When you say you and I know, I don't know that at all. Here's what I know. I don't know whether to believe it or not. I say in this job, I know what I'm told, not what I know. But I do know that if we secure the Mexican-Guatemalan border, that would be a great way to stop folks coming all the way across. But we're not talking about overrun. We haven't seen anything yet. Except the tweet. A tweet. Mitch McConnell finally found his testicles cause it's near his wallet. People have endured much worse than expensive avocados or a few more dollars here and there. And for the average American brook that is no small amount of money. A lot of money, $1300.

Starting point is 03:35:42 Any brand of course with avocado on the menu will be impacted by this tariff. I'm not blaming President Trump here. I'm blaming the Congress because we can't do our job. As you know, we have with President Trump been kind of a roller coaster. So sometimes it's going up, sometimes it's coming down. This is the man that lost more money than any other American person on the planet. This guy has lost more money than anybody. That's true.

Starting point is 03:36:11 New unit, acronym AHA. Or AHA. Definitely the swear words. He laughs at fear. AHA. Or damn. He falls in the valley and rejoices. Or shit.

Starting point is 03:36:21 Turns out we are pretty right about the true value of TikToks Followed by Don't Be So Flippant Man Aha! Mine were cut off You've never met a gay dog? Really? Aha! And the guilt is eating me alive!

Starting point is 03:36:34 He does not stand still in the voice Aha! Of the trumpet He says Aha! Baby dogs are almost as gay as dolphins You need to get it together my guy Don't be so flippant? But do you know that that never was a jingle? How dare you be so flippant, man?

Starting point is 03:36:46 He's a of the mongotrophic, ha ha. Dogs are gay! The glory of his nostrils is terrible. Okay, what was the question? The Chinese never go to the gouging phase. It makes no sense. Great question. Now this is interesting.

Starting point is 03:36:59 Oh, remarkable, my ass. I mean, we hear this illogic complaints constantly. President pump that's his new name. 31% of Democrats were more likely to move to a place within five miles of a Trader Joe's only 10% of Republicans. The angry baby let's call them delusional Dems. You like the angry baby. Radicalizing them around this particular. There you go. He swallowed the ground with fierceness and rage I never heard it as a jingle Aha!

Starting point is 03:37:28 Definitely the swear words He sayeth among the trumpets Ha ha! Everyone's hearing Palmer Those child care centers will now face closure or significantly higher operating costs And then once you get it to yourself, you gouge Really?

Starting point is 03:37:41 Aha! Ouch. Really? Uh-huh. The best podcast in the universe. Audio, mofo. Dvorak.org. Slash. N.A. 10 out of 10. Perfection.

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