No Agenda - 1772 - "Op Day"

Starting point is 00:00:00 Yeah, we'll do it. Adam Curry, John C. DeVora. It's Thursday, June 12th, 2025. This is your award winning KidMovation Media Assassination episode 1772. This is No Agenda. Watching democracy die. And broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas Hill Country here in FEMA Region Number 6 in the morning everybody.

Starting point is 00:00:22 I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley where we're all awaiting all Kings day on Saturday. I'm John C. Dvorak. It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable. No, it's not.

Starting point is 00:00:40 It's completely believable and just fantastic to watch the M5M, everybody trying to get everyone all psyched up and ready for no King's Day and just like wag the dog in real time. It's amazing what is taking place right before our very eyes. Do you know the ACLU of Texas contributed like three million dollars toward this event? Oh yeah, of course. What is the end to some other ACLUs? I thought the ACLU took that money that people gave them so they could defend people for civil liberties, not to do protests, not to print signs on the 250th anniversary of the army, which is really what they're trying to downplay here.

Starting point is 00:01:36 They're trying to make our army look like a bunch of schmucks by doing this thing on the exact same day. No, it's too long. But you remember in 2017, I have the clip, but it's too long. I called the ACLU when they were- Yes, you actually made a fuss about this on the show. Yeah, when they were organizing the protest because Trump had done Muslim travel ban, which was, it was not a Muslim travel ban. And I called him up because I've always supported the ACLU.

Starting point is 00:02:10 And they're like, no, no, no, we're organizing these protests. But is that in your charter? Is that what you're supposed to do? Well, yeah. Oh, okay. Well, no, I'm not supporting you anymore. Now what's interesting is that even the people who somehow have been Psy-Opped into this whole idea of Trump is throwing out legal people, just

Starting point is 00:02:36 separating families, ripping four-year-old girls from behind their school desks, they are now recognized. Well, the people who are protesting, they're just problem people. By the way, they're like Marxists and socialists. Yeah, that's exactly who the problem is. Yeah, of course it is. And it's the unions, it's the socialist workers party. They're the ones who are sending people out.

Starting point is 00:03:06 It's actually not the unions as much as one specific union. Which specific union? The SEIU. Which is the? Service Employers International Union. And do they have illegals in their union? They must. So, you know... The SEIU is a fallback. When I helped organize the Bay Area Air Pollution Control District Union, I was a Democrat

Starting point is 00:03:34 back in the day. Yes. And we had gone through, we had, we had enough, knew we can get enough votes to unionize and we ended up with SEIU as our base union because the other guys bailed out Cal. There was CalPERS or some Cal very big union that was powerful in California. They told us, nah, get lost. And some other union told us to get lost. And SEIU jumped in, yeah, we'll do it. And I got to take some of their training.

Starting point is 00:04:06 Some of the training. Oh, you took some of the training. Oh, you took some of the training. All right. From the, yeah, the union. So it's pretty bad. So- In my memoir.

Starting point is 00:04:15 So, ladies and gentlemen, John C. DeWarck has been dead for 20 years, but he promises his memoir is coming along with the vinegar book. It's coming. Don't worry. It's happening so Are they are they truly commies? I mean is the SEIU a bunch of communists or I mean why? I wouldn't say they're Marxist necessarily, but they're pretty close Hmm definitely workers control the means of production. The main emphasis in some of the training is, hey, if you're not specifically supposed to pick up that screw that that guy dropped, you don't pick it up.

Starting point is 00:05:00 Right. Yeah, but I mean they are sending people out to protest illegal immigrants, just illegal aliens. To protest in favor of illegal immigrants. Yes. To make sure you get the structure correct. Yes, thank you. But it just doesn't make sense. However, what is important... It makes sense to me. I was watching somebody, I didn't get it on today's show, but there's a lot of clips about, I guess it's Christy, is her name, Christy Walton. Oh yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:05:31 Who's, and you know, it's like, gosh, she's just another rich chick who's inherited a bunch of money and she's got a guilty conscience. And then, guy points on his video, this is so Walton can keep their cheap employees. Well, not just, I mean, if you look at no King's day, it's not just about ICE and immigration. So the way I look at it from the Walton family perspective

Starting point is 00:05:52 is tariffs in China. They have huge factories. Half of Wuhan is Walmart. Yeah. So I think they're just mad at Trump and this is what they do. Now, I have some, this is a very short boots on the ground. There's so much material. But when I heard this, I'm like, yeah, I think a lot of these middle, middle-class Karen, which doesn't have to be white, just middle-class Karen's in Los Angeles.

Starting point is 00:06:20 So here's just three quick little, uh, little snippets, man on the street, but the last one really says it all about why they're really protesting, what they're really mad about. I'm not okay with this. I'm not okay with people getting taken from their jobs and being taken from when they're going into the federal building for their appointments to do this the right way. We don't feel safe. We're standing up for the children that can't stand up for themselves or their parents. We need immigrant workers in this city really badly.

Starting point is 00:06:51 We've just gone through devastating fires. We've lost 14,000 structures. And if you look at who builds this city, it's immigrants. There it is. Who's going to build our homes back? No one will want to be in construction. And this is exactly what an actual Karen isn't Whoopi's real name Karen Whoopi Goldberg. Yeah, it is actually. Yeah, she's a real Karen So listen to what she says at the end of this clip after they do some pontificating this I'm sorry It's from the view. The ICE agents those are nonpartisan actors. I think this is the conservative girl.

Starting point is 00:07:26 For the most part, who signed up for jobs, have served under multiple administrations. They did not necessarily sign up to be doing this, and they're following an order of the commander in chief. And we could say they could all, I guess, resign and mask tomorrow. What is the bait? To start demonizing those individuals as opposed to a president. No one's demonizing them. I think we're demonizing them.

Starting point is 00:07:42 We're saying this is a result of ICE. Correct. But I think it's very important to remember it's a commander in chief that's madeizing them. I think we're demonizing what's going down. Correct, but I think it's very important to remember it's a commander in chief that's made these decisions. They're following orders. Yeah, it is. Think back, y'all. Where have you heard that before?

Starting point is 00:07:54 1930s. I'm just following orders. By my commander in chief. But again, can I just say, I want to finish up. No, no, because I, because. No, no, because Whoopi's got something important to say here. Pay attention, Karen's coming This is my point

Starting point is 00:08:07 We don't want to be what they were a Person in service in the in the armed services always follows their commander in chief. That's the way it's supposed to But what is happening here is out of sync, because the commander in chief is not following the directions of the Constitution. Well, we'll get to that in a minute. So we have a bit of an issue. And also, just as we're going, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no.

Starting point is 00:08:34 Just as we're going. I just want to say, construction places, you're going to have a harder time finding people who are going to be able to come and do your house. Who are they going to get to pick all the fruit and the vegetables? Because Americans don't want to do it. We know that. The farmers are saying the Americans don't want to do this.

Starting point is 00:08:52 On the tariffs on top of that is going to make everything so expensive. That too, but getting people's food is going to be sitting and rotting. Because there's no one to grab it, is my point. We'll be right back. This is the most elitist take on this ever. No one's gonna build my house. No one's gonna pick my fruit. Who's gonna clean my linens?

Starting point is 00:09:13 Oh, let me clutch my pearls. Have you ever heard of economics, Karen? If the fruit is rotting, they will offer more money for people to come and pick it up. It's not just going to go away. This is the basic system that we have in place. It's how capitalism works. It's how capitalism works, of course.

Starting point is 00:09:34 But oh no, and it's so elitist. Who's going to? It's unbelievably arrogant. Yeah. Elitist and arrogant. And Americans won't do this What? American I have a guy I've got Paul was literally shoveling shit out of my septic tank today Americans do this stuff and you know what charges me a good penny for it, too

Starting point is 00:09:57 Because that's how it goes. I don't want to do it myself. I Don't know how to do it. So this is just bull crap. And all the women under, oh yes, oh whoopee, you tell them whoopee, no one can clean my house, no one can build my house, oh my fruit is rotting, oh my avocados, please. The worst though, the worst, and I had to pull two clips, is the liberal intellectual elites of pivot. I had, I've stayed away from getting Kara and Scott clips, but I had to pull two clips Because the professor you need an intervention Where were you when I needed that intervention?

Starting point is 00:10:36 It's been a while since I've pulled clips from pivot. I'm still it's still my hate. Listen, I get through it like okay. I got it but They are influential in elitist Democrat circles. Not as influential as they thought they were because if you recall, their contract was up for renegotiation and Professor Scott was like, we're going to go make hundreds of millions of dollars like Joe Rogan because we're that good. And they renegotiated and they have all kinds of caveats and you know they can do special things. They got a crappy deal because they're not worth it. Podcasts just aren't worth that much. So they overthought their influence but without a

Starting point is 00:11:18 doubt they make more money than we do. So here is the professor's take on what is happening. It's a doozy. I've called this a complete overreach by a desperate despot. Your thoughts? I can do some alliteration. A complete overreach by a desperate despot. Your thoughts? Well, I've been called hysterical for a while now comparing or drawing similarities between America right now and 30s Germany. And you don't have to be Hitler to borrow methods and worst practices from his playbook. I would love to hear Scott, Professor Scott do a podcast with Brett's wife. What's his name?

Starting point is 00:11:59 Heather. Well, what do you think Heather? Well, Scott, let me tell you. Okay, Heather. Well, what do you think Heather? Well, Scott, let me tell you. Okay. Heather. And that is when tanks roll through cities, it doesn't feel like strength. It feels like a funeral for civil society. Germany is in Germany in the thirties didn't collapse overnight. It's slid into tyranny by normalizing soldiers where citizens used to stand. Early Nazi propaganda decided,

Starting point is 00:12:28 and we're doing the same thing, we have real problems overseas. There are still Russian, Russia is still invading Europe. Russia's invading Europe, John, be careful. There's real significant issues around China, Pakistan, and India. Could eventually digress to a nuclear conflict. Iran is... In case you didn't get the memo, President Trump stopped that war. He said so himself.

Starting point is 00:12:51 Trying to spin up reactors. But if you look at... And again, I think this has so many echoes of 30s Germany. Early Nazi propaganda emphasized that... Now, early 30s Germany, John, was it like this? I wasn't there to know. Come on. Again, to emphasize that. No, early thirties Germany, John, was it like this? Where, where? I wasn't there to know, but I will say this. I'm liking this for a reason that's not wouldn't on the surface. Wouldn't seem, well, why would you like this? I honestly believe these two and Scott in particular are believing

Starting point is 00:13:21 their own bull crap and they're actually having, they're gonna have nervous breakdowns or something. This is not healthy. No, no, it's, he's, and he barely opens, because I saw the YouTube video version of this, because of course we've gotta do video versions, Scott. And he barely opens his mouth when he talks, he talks like this, and he has, he also has no lips.

Starting point is 00:13:47 No, I believe this is really like early 30s. Slit. It's like a snake. The Scott talks through a slit like a snake. Germany's problems were due to internal saboteurs, communists, Jews, immigrants. And then today, if you look at this rhetoric, they're blaming immigrants, academics, protesters, journalists. It mirrors kind of the same playbook here.

Starting point is 00:14:10 When you have a government who turns its military force inward against journalists, migrants, or citizens who believe in exercising the right to protest in a civil, peaceful manner and justice, you're not defending democracy. You're rehearsing for something much darker. So it's not the protests themselves. It's not what's going. This is another step towards normalizing an attempt to rebrand militarization as patriotism. So I just love that. You're right. They are sniffing their farts and like, smells great. And this clip, second clip is much shorter, but man, they bring up a doozy here.

Starting point is 00:14:48 He can try, he can try. That's what he's doing. He's trying desperate. He's a desperate, that's why I called him the complete overreach of a desperate desperate. Every movie he's making lately to me is both despotic, incompetent, and also insecure in a lot of ways, but we'll see.

Starting point is 00:15:04 The way you just outlined is my vision of how you would restore and heal America. Okay, question for you. How do you think when the Democrats clearly come back into control, because they believe this, once Trump is gone, everyone's going to fall down, what do you think his vision is for restoring America? What could it be, uh, to bring back, uh, some programs or to, No, we have to heal. We have to, how, how did we heal? Stringing up all the Republicans. Is my vision of how you would restore and heal America.

Starting point is 00:15:49 They'd have moral clarity and have the effectively like a Nuremberg trial. You nailed it! You nailed it! Nuremberg trial, string them up, hang them, noose them all, let's hang them up! And have the effectively like a Nuremberg trial. We said, okay, you knew this was a lie. You purposely tried to create violence and may lie. You purposely tried to create violence and mayhem. You purposely tried to overrun our elections. You purposely committed fraud. You purposely leveraged our international sway to enrich your children. I love the idea

Starting point is 00:16:15 of a stream of perp walks and moral clarity around this stuff, that America's laws have a long memory. I love that. That's a fantasy of mine. I dream of that at night. My fear, Kara, is that there's actually a lot of people who like what's going on right now. Oh man. Jacques Hughes. Where was the Republicans' Nuremberg trials? Where was the Nuremberg trial for the COVID vaccine?

Starting point is 00:16:39 Where were all those for COVID? Where are those Nuremberg trials didn't happen? Just to set the record straight and then I'll let you roll. This is from the John Bachelors show, which I only get as a podcast. We're doing podcast people. John Yoo, who's from Berkeley and Civitas Institute in Austin, of all places, explains the law title 10 under which this is taking place. The president can call out the national guard in case of an invasion. Title 10 under which this is the very, the media narrative has ignored this third

Starting point is 00:17:25 provision. This third provision is obviously the one that's at stake here. Has, can president Trump legitimately find that the execution of the laws of the United States here, the immigration laws in Los Angeles is being blocked? He can't execute them. And if he can't, then the law allows him to call out the National Guard. Bingo! That's it. Yeah. That nails it. Yeah. No, you is one of those guys. You. You. Yous. Yous. Yous the guy, who is the guy, if I'm not mistaken, is the one who came up with the rationale for torture.

Starting point is 00:18:02 Yes, he did. No, was that you? Bush. Was that you? Bush was that you? No, that was. Yeah, I think it was. No, it was a different guy. It was another you type guy. You is pretty good. He's one of those guys.

Starting point is 00:18:13 He's one of those guys who knows how to bend the law. Him and Dershowitz. But this is not bending the law. No, it's not. No, I mean, interpreting the law in a very strong. Yeah, it's not bending at all. It's actually finding the rules and then applying them. But, you know, so when you keep hearing,

Starting point is 00:18:30 he's against the Constitution, he's not upholding the Constitution, that is in fact the opposite. One more clip, because I just love this doozy from CNN, who CNN who you'd think would probably not favor President Trump or any of his policies or any of this. They did a little poll amongst legal immigrants, immigrant residents and citizens of the United States.

Starting point is 00:18:54 Surprising results. Yeah, let's just sort of start off on the fact that immigrant citizens, immigrant voters, foreign-born voters have gone tremendously to the right on this issue in 2024 and 2025 versus where they were in 2020. Closest to or trust more on immigration. You go back to 2020. Democrats held a 32-point lead on this issue. Immigrant voters were in the Democratic camp. Jump forward to 2024, 2025.

Starting point is 00:19:19 Look at that shift, a 40-point shift to the right among immigrant voters. Republicans now lead on this issue by eight points over Democrats, more so than any other group that I could find. The group of voters who became more hawkish on immigration were in fact immigrants themselves, immigrants who are registered to vote in this country. Boom! Alright, drop it there. By the way, you're right.

Starting point is 00:19:44 I was thinking Alberto Gonzales, who was co-author with John Yoo. No, Gonzales is a lightweight. Well, John Yoo, you're right. John Yoo. Yoo! So, this is... Well, I have a take on this

Starting point is 00:19:57 that I want to present. Oh, yes. Because I think there's dirty tricks going on. No! Dirty tricks? Gambling! Gambling going on at the protests? And I think it's dirty tricks going on. No. Dirty tricks? What's the gambling going on at the protest? And I think it's at a level that we haven't seen since Segretti and Dick Tuck during the Nixon administration where he had these guys. I was barely alive, but yeah.

Starting point is 00:20:19 Well, there was some great stuff that used to be done and it's been kind of Passover and I think Trump's behind a lot of this and Okay, I'm Love it when you say Trump's behind a lot of this. I'm like, yeah believable lay it on me I want to hear what's going this this has to be about the midterms. Everything's about the midterms Oh everything's eventually but yeah, well, that's what it's all, they have to, but this is a long strategy and I don't, and I think there's denial, possible, plausible deniability. There's no way this is going to be tracked to Trump. This is just a thesis. I can't prove it.

Starting point is 00:20:56 It just seems a little suspicious and you get hints of it when you start listening to some TikTokers. Now I want to start off with, to organize this is different, but this is the, I want to start off with this, with what I see is going on with TikTok. They're using TikTok in much the same way as mainstream used to be used or that Sinclair Broadcasting used to use where everybody said the same thing. Somehow they've gotten to the influencers and I want to play these jaywalking. It's easy you just call it the agency there's agencies for the influencers you call them up and give them the script. There's a series of clips

Starting point is 00:21:36 which are bogus clips but this is the talk jaywalking clips. Being in a country that you're in illegally is a civil offense, not a criminal one. You know what else is a civil offense? Jaywalking. And being undocumented is not a criminal offense. It's a civil one. And if you've ever jaywalked, congratulations, because you've also committed a civil offense. Have you ever sped over the speed limit? Have you ever drank or smoked underage? Have you ever drank and then driven a car?

Starting point is 00:22:07 What about jaywalking? Being undocumented in America is a civil offense. It's not a criminal one. It's the same caliber of crime as a traffic offense. Just a reminder in case anyone forgot, being undocumented is a civil offense, not a criminal one. If you have so much as littered on public property, I never want to hear, oh, but they broke a law as a justification for your hate.

Starting point is 00:22:31 Just for the record, being here undocumented is not a criminal offense, it's a civil one. So that means if you've ever jaywalked, you too have committed a civil offense, okay? And if you're really concerned about criminals being in this country, then I have to ask, like, why did you vote for one? Well, not to interrupt you,

Starting point is 00:22:54 but I did look up this civil offense because I knew you had this clip. Yes, I did too. And here's what I came up with. Civil offense is unlawful entry or presence in the United States violates immigration laws, specifically the Immigration and Nationality Act, the INA. This is handled as a civil matter through administrative process like deportation or removal proceedings conducted by immigration

Starting point is 00:23:18 authorities. E.g. immigration and customs enforcement or ICE being undocumented or overstaying a visa generally does not result in criminal prosecution on its own. Right. So, but it's great. This is a very interesting way to program completely ignorant people who have not had any education. By the way, jaywalking, I looked it up too. Jaywalking is a criminal offense in most jurisdictions. Oh, these people, by the way, jaywalking, I looked it up too, jaywalking is a criminal offense

Starting point is 00:23:46 in most jurisdictions. Oh, interesting, that's even better. So they have this wrong. Now in California, while I was researching that, and I also found the criminal part of the illegal immigration is how you entered the country. That could be a felony or a misdemeanor. Yes, that can be a criminal offense.

Starting point is 00:24:04 But when you're just floating around, yeah, they're right about that, but they're not really right. This is just specious. In fact, I have, ooh, specious. I have that illegal entry, entering the U.S. without inspection or authorization is a misdemeanor under 8 U.S.C. 1325,

Starting point is 00:24:22 punishable by fines or up to six months in prison for the first offense. Illegal reentry after deportation is a felony with penalties of up to two years in prison or more if the individual has a criminal history. So while looking this up curiously, and I don't think this is generally known, and I still like to find out that there's some Vietnamese Assemblymen in California. They they put a bill in play that made it legal They in fact they called it decriminalization because it was a criminal act D the decriminalization of jaywalking in California

Starting point is 00:25:02 By Newsom, I remember this somehow, yeah. Signed by Newsom, and it goes to the, at least from what I can tell, it gets to the point where you can just walk against the light into the street. Really? So what's the point of the light? No, screw the light.

Starting point is 00:25:22 So, I mean, this is unbelievable. But this kind of propaganda is like okay this is what you're gonna do now you're gonna take these dumb women and I will say many of them are not I can use this term not unattractive. They weren't the blue haired nose ring women. They are all over socialized and undereducated. Well, they're just, they're dummies. Yeah. And they're obviously, you're right, there's an agency called up the main group.

Starting point is 00:25:52 There's probably, I don't know what they had to pay for this, but these girls are probably getting, they're all young. 750 bucks, 750 bucks I'm getting. I think that's probably what it is. That's kind of high. I think I'm getting to do it for five. But anyway, can we get to the core costs? Can we get them to talk basically prostitution, by the way, can we get them to talk about the no agenda show

Starting point is 00:26:13 for five? You know, and not to mention that, yeah, it might not be a bad idea. Why spend on Facebook ads if you can get these gals? So I run into these other clips. I'm talking about that you played the clip of the guy from CNN who goes crazy. He's great by the way.

Starting point is 00:26:32 And so I got these two clips that I have to play. This is the legal immigrant rant from a woman, legal immigrant rant. I am a legal immigrant. And I want to tell you something. I'm disgusted by what people from other countries like Mexico are doing right now in my new country. I came from Mexico. I came legally. I have worked all my life here to get what I have.

Starting point is 00:27:02 I have never asked for a penny to the government. I didn't come here to get something from the government. I came for an opportunity and I got it. And I have the American dream. What about all of those people protesting in California and New York? What are they doing? They are burning the city. If you don't like that to be deported and you want to stay here, you have to have your best behavior. Not the worst behavior. You think that we want you

Starting point is 00:27:35 here with that behavior of burning cars, burning the entire city? Why? Why do we talk to the authorities in your behalf? There has no meaning on that. And for the people that are defending these violent attackers, people that don't deserve to be here, shame on you. Shame on you because you're supposed to talk and to tell them the truth. shame on you because you're supposed to talk and to tell them the truth. You're not supposed to line up with them. You're supposed to tell them, go to your country. You are waving the flag of another country that you love. Go. You don't need to be here. You don't deserve to be here. You don't deserve another opportunity in this country because apparently you don't love this country like I do. So go away. Oh man, where's the where's the national anthem playing on that? I know she's too much. I'm going to sue her. Now we have this my last

Starting point is 00:28:36 clip before I tell you this my my theory. Okay, I'm excited. No, that's not that great. Oh, okay. But this is the Mexican flag dude. Now this guy, this guy is a... This dude is good. Did you see him? What, the guy with the chest? The tats, the shirt off? Yeah, oh yeah, sure. The guy looks, if he's not amiss, he doesn't have enough tats. He is the iconic image of this peaceful protest. That's the way I see it. Yeah, and he is not happy about what he's seeing. So let me get this straight. Just so I could clarify it. You don't want to go back to Mexico. You're protesting to stay away from Mexico, but you're waving the Mexican

Starting point is 00:29:17 flag and you're waving it with pride. You're waving it in the United States. The country you're trying to stay in, the country you don't want to leave, but yet you're waving the Mexican flag with pride. Okay, that seems normal to you, that seems logical, that's not stupid at all. None of that's stupid.

Starting point is 00:29:39 All right, you guys are an embarrassment to the Mexican culture and to the United States culture. You guys are embarrassment to everybody around you. And you should be ashamed of yourself. Do better. Was that the Mexican flag dude? Yeah. So that, no, that, that was the guy bitching about the mission. So here's what's going on. I see it over and over again. There is no way that Trump somehow, dirty tricking it, is not behind the Mexican flags.

Starting point is 00:30:12 Those too many Mexican flags, they're all brand new. They're all over the place. Nobody's been picked up or interviewed holding one. There's a few jokers wearing them as scarves. But for the most part, the Mexican flag has been planted just for this purpose. That Mexican flag is showing up way too much in all these protests and it is a scam. And I think it's a beauty. Too many mexicanflags.com everybody.

Starting point is 00:30:41 Too many Mexican flags. This is bull crap. There is no way that there's... I think you're right. They're all brand new flags too. That somebody came along. And the joke is they're all made in China. That's the best part.

Starting point is 00:30:54 Well, that is funny. And it is probably true. But the guy with the motorcycle and he's driving around the Mexican flag and he's going around in a circle and the guy on top of the car waving the Mexican flag and he's going around in a circle and the guy on top of the car waving the Mexican flag and they got that shot all over the place and a lot of them posed with that guy on the car with the Mexican flag surrounded by Mexican flags. Give me a break people. Yeah I think you're overdoing it. I think you're spot on about that and they're brand new. It's not like hey mom I'm going to take the flag with me today. It's not like that.

Starting point is 00:31:26 Yeah. Yeah. Well, brilliance. It is. I thought it was genius and the M5M and everybody, they don't know what they're flat footed, they're so stupid. Well, they have a job to do. You know, they have a job. So I just have a couple minutes here.

Starting point is 00:31:43 This is meant to be interrupted. Uh, again, of interrupted again of just people out on the streets of Los Angeles. That's a good one. What? I mean, you gave me the permission to interrupt knowing I'm going to anyway. This is meant to be interrupted. But you're telling me in advance you're not going to get irked at me. No, it's very important. This clip is made for you to interrupt.

Starting point is 00:32:05 I wanted to make sure that you weren't like being on your best behavior. Oh, you were going to make sure that I was going to actually listen. Yeah, yeah, there you go. People with big heavy hammers pounding the concrete and pounding curbs, pounding it, breaking it up and handing these big chunks of concrete to people. And they were taking that concrete, going up on bridges and dropping it into the roof of a car. They were throwing it at our police.

Starting point is 00:32:28 They were throwing it at our soldiers that are there. I could tell you there were certain areas of that. I forgot to tell you there's some Trump stuff in here too. Los Angeles, as you could have called it, an insurrection. It was terrible. But these are paid insurrectionists. These are paid troublemakers. They get money. This weekend was marked with absolute and total violence, brutal repression and attacks,

Starting point is 00:32:51 coordinated attacks against our community. For us as indigenous people to these lands, to this continent, this is nothing new. The military going after us is nothing new. This is part of the narrative that's out there. Hey man, we own this place. We were here before you. There was no war about it. It's ours. Advocate for violence. But when they use it.

Starting point is 00:33:11 By the way, there was not only a war about it, but we also paid Mexico for a bunch of the property that we took. And so there was a war and reparations. I mean, we own, this is not some bull, this is bull crap, this may actually be also a sigh-off for all we know. Of course it is. Brutal violence against our people and kidnapping mothers and fathers from children is violent.

Starting point is 00:33:35 When they do things like that, we have every right, every historic right to defend our communities by any ways that we can and we're going to continue to do so. Historic right John, they have a historic right to defend our communities, we own this place who we and by the way after years of uh we thank the indigenous original owners of this place in California for letting us be here and letting us have this meeting yeah no wonder people start to think this way. Remember that California was part of Mexico. All of the southwest is Mexico. So the roots are really deep in that region.

Starting point is 00:34:11 And what they're saying is no, not in our community. We don't agree with the term illegal. We're undocumented. We've been here for thousands of years before you guys showed up. Wow! How old is that guy? I don't know. In his 40s I think. No, he's got to be thousands and thousands and thousands of years old. We're anti-capitalist. We think socialism does work. Real socialism. Is there a country we can look to to kind of model

Starting point is 00:34:40 the socialism idea? The only model would be Soviet Union the first four years. You're in the wrong country, bro. Come on. I know, I don't know where you got this clip, but I saw this clip. Oh, I can tell you where it came from. It's Jesse Waters without Jesse Waters. Oh, Jesse Waters played the... He's got some of the better producers on Fox and he may

Starting point is 00:35:07 have the best show on Fox, including Gutfeld. But what happens is, you know, I hear the lunch ladies here, you know, they're very worried, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, you know, the protests, the riots is going to be here on Saturday, no kings, there's 50 Democrats in Fredericksburg, I'm sure they're going to be out there protesting, no kings, whatever. But the way it plays on television, which is what everyone just gets sucked into and just looking at the Quad except for the 787 crash, which we'll talk about later. Oh, there's a 787 crash?

Starting point is 00:35:41 Are you being facetious? I don't know this. Oh yeah, 747 coming from India to Gatwick crashed on takeoff. I think there's one survivor but- 747? No, 787. Okay, well you said 747. No, I said 787. Okay, well 787, which is a nice plane.

Starting point is 00:36:05 Has never had an incident like this. And crashing Gatwick? No, no, it was leaving India. And so what, and of course there's tons of video of it. So it takes off and then it just kind of floats down and crashes and burns with 50 tons of jet fuel on it and into a hospital building, which I'm surprised the hospital building didn't collapse unto itself. Sorry, maybe a bit too early, but I had to say it.

Starting point is 00:36:34 Too soon? Yeah. Everyone's like, hey, he didn't have his flaps up, his wheels were down. So first of all, nobody knows nothing right now. But the lone survivor supposedly said there was a loud bang upon takeoff, which could mean a compressor stall. The Ram Air Turbine appears to have come out. That's a little kind of fan that drops down beneath the flue fusfus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus-fus crashed on takeoff and it blew everything out and they couldn't restore it. Which is, that's kind of frightening. Because all this stuff is fly by wire, it's all computerized.

Starting point is 00:37:30 But I doubt this is pilot error. Yeah, it's, it was 42 degrees centigrade. So the possibility exists, we were on a topic by the way. But thanks to me, you said I could interrupt. Yeah. But you, so you think it might might you think it might be a software failure Yes Yeah, who would now who makes this jet? Let me think what the company name

Starting point is 00:37:57 Yeah, this is this is not good for Boeing It's not good for those 290 people their their families either, to be honest about it. And it's a bad day for aviation, day wrecker. Day wrecker. Well, knowing is got to be fixed. Yeah. But you know, everybody's on TV. Well, you know, I didn't, I saw only the slats deployed.

Starting point is 00:38:17 The flaps weren't out. The gear wasn't up, which all true. But what is the cause? Is it because I love this one. Well, the pilot clearly, he pulled the flaps up instead of the gear. Oh please. These are the two knobs in every aircraft

Starting point is 00:38:36 that have remained the same. As far as I know, I have not flown a 787 in the cockpit, but the flaps is a lever that you go from down to up and the lever is a flat piece of plastic that Resembles a flap and the gear is a lever that has a rubber wheel on it So when you grab it, you're like, that's a wheel So that seems highly unlikely That that happened but you know, everyone's, Oh, I got something to say. I'm an expert in aviation.

Starting point is 00:39:10 I have my private pilot's license. Well I'm glad it happened during the show so we don't have to deal with it. So anyway, let's go back because we have this big protest coming up on Saturday. No Kings, no Kings. And you know, this is a lame protest, by the way. I should mention it. It's upfront. No key. Who cares? What is no Kings? Well, it was already,

Starting point is 00:39:35 now he was Hitler when now he's King. Is he Hitler, which is a dictator who is, you know, elected dictator, or is he a King, which is a Monarch? Wake up your minds. Well, it's also, you know, there, there's a lot of groups who are grabbing onto this, which is going to screw it up because Winston Salem, for instance, you know, they, they're calling it no Queens day rising, no Kings, and they're adding trans to the whole issue. So that'll, yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah.'re adding trans to the whole issue. So that'll-

Starting point is 00:40:05 What? Yeah. Oh yeah. That's going to screw everything up. Yeah. They're adding, oh, this is, well, maybe that's also an op to do that. That would be pretty smart. Oh man.

Starting point is 00:40:17 Everything's an op with you. And you're not wrong. Today's op day. Because of this flag thing. And when I kept seeing it, I said- Today is op day, everybody. And then we had in the topper to make me really think in terms of opposite, listening to these dumb chicks going on and on about civil versus jaywalking.

Starting point is 00:40:33 Jaywalking. Yeah. Yeah. Let me see. We have, oh, okay. Mayor Brandon Johnson of Chicago. This is the moment when Democrat politicians like Gavin Newsom, everybody's seen him. Arrest me then. Come on, Tom Homan, arrest me. So everyone's got big cojones all of a sudden. Mayor Brandon Johnson says it's cruel and unconstitutional. Right now in our country, there's no check and balance. It doesn't exist right now. Violent clashes. I think it's checks and balances, Mr. Mayor, but all right. Check. There's no check and balance. Your checkbook? What is going on? Check and balance. Right now in our country there's no check and balance. It

Starting point is 00:41:21 doesn't exist right now. Violent clashes between heavily armed immigration and customs enforcement agents and Los Angeles protesters creating alarm in Chicago with word of an impending enforcement action. The federal agents have been informed that they have 48 hours to stand by and be ready to deploy. The mayor's chief of staff planning for what many fear will be a chaotic and dangerous apprehension of undocumented Chicago residents. There will be tactical teams, there will be mini tanks, there will be other tools that

Starting point is 00:41:58 they use in which they plan to do raids as we saw in Los Angeles. Protests against the ICE raids, similar to what we witnessed locally last night, another concern for the mayor and Chicago police seeking to preserve public safety and people's rights to assemble and protest. Which is the funny thing because I don't think anyone has a problem with if you want to protest and you want to carry your flags around, that's fine. But that's not what it is. That's not what this is.

Starting point is 00:42:29 And that's not what this is. And this No Kings Day, remember we talked about the 5051 organization, 50, so 50501. So from another podcast, because you can't get anything from television. This is true. Right side up with Nivea Souza and she delves into what's a podcast. So bear with me. She'll delve into what 50 51 is.

Starting point is 00:42:56 50 51 movement. It is a political campaign that launched earlier this year in response to the new administration and their policies. It all started on Reddit from one Reddit user. All of this came to be the new administration and their policies. It all started on Reddit. From one Reddit user, all of this came to be. The movement has rapidly gained momentum. They are now protesting across the nation, causing a whole stir and a lot of conspiracies. So the 50-51's core objectives are what you would probably expect, an investigation into

Starting point is 00:43:19 Elon Musk when he was still with the administration, all of Trump's appointees, impeaching Donald Trump, reinstatement of DEI initiatives, protections of LGBTQ plus rights and minority groups, reinstatement of aid to Ukraine, lifting tariffs, etc. etc. The movement officially launched in early February of this year in response to the inauguration. They had 80 different protests in all 50 states. They continued to protest in February. They had Not My President's Day. Thousands of people nationwide protested the administration's policies. In March they did March 4th for democracy. On April 5th they had one of the biggest coordinated protests across the country, the biggest of this year, their hands-off protests.

Starting point is 00:43:55 They were in collaboration with 150 different organizations including ACLU and the Women's March. There was 1,400 different protests that broke out across all 50 states, an estimate of 3 to 5 million people participated in these protests. According to the protesters, they involved a coalition of over 169 progressive labor union, pro-democracy, civil rights, LGBTQ+, and women's rights groups. This was a huge deal, and I live somewhere where you don't see protesters. I live really rural. I did not know this was even going on because there was such little media coverage. Show me what democracy looks like!

Starting point is 00:44:30 This is what democracy looks like! Show me what democracy looks like! This is what democracy looks like! I would just like to talk about the fact that this lady with the megaphone, leading this, chanting about democracy, she's decked out and everything pro-Palestinian. The irony. Exactly. So what the M5M does though, is they love this.

Starting point is 00:44:58 All they want is video of burning cars, burning Trump effigies. That's all they want. And Rachel Maddow, I know I do need an intervention. of burning cars, burning Trump effigies. That's all they want. And Rachel Maddow, I know I do need an intervention. I apologize. She could not promote, for her whole show, I just got a couple of clips. She kept saying, no kings, June 14th everywhere. No kings, June 14th, everybody come on out.

Starting point is 00:45:22 June 14th, no kings everywhere. When Trump issued his order to federalize the National Guard over the objections of California's governor this weekend, that order was not specific to Los Angeles. It was not specific to California. That order that he issued. He's coming for you. It's something that he could use to send National Guard troops anywhere or even active duty forces.

Starting point is 00:45:43 Now he's sending 700 Marines supposedly from the Marine Corps base at 29 Palms. They're going to come and kill you. And that is a portrait of weakness. Weakness. They keep going on with this. He's weak. He's insecure is another one, which is like all the people that you've ever seen. I don't see him as insecure.

Starting point is 00:46:09 Is it time for the Trump rotation again? Well I think that some things could be added to it. I think we need to listen to the Trump rotation. Maybe you're right. Maybe we should do it and bring the new stuff in because insecure wasn't on the old rotation. Let's see what's in the Trump rotation from how many years ago now is it to seven years ago. I have my list and you might want to see if there's anything

Starting point is 00:46:30 I left out. This is the Trump rotation. There's two categories as a regular and then there's the criminal. But here we go. Ready? Yep. Liar, incompetent, unhinged, illegitimate president, white supremacist, racist, bully, immature, Russian agent, narcissist, mean, long ties, insane, tweets too much, small hands, small penis, big red button, criminal, mean, racist, immature, thin skin, runs the mob, has no money, unstable, fatter than 239 pounds, bankrupt. 25th amendment should be instituted. He hates women, misogynist, holds grudges forever, placed golf a lot, obstruction

Starting point is 00:47:16 of justice, money laundering and clown. No wonder we're making America white again. Yeah, well, I think it needs to be updated. You're right. I didn't even hear it. Yeah, well, let's go back to Rachel Maddow for a moment. All right, that is what you get

Starting point is 00:47:35 when you have a supposed leader, a supposed strong man even, who can't figure out how to get the support of his people. And he knows it. What? He can't get the support of his people. And he knows it. What? He can't get the support of his people and he knows it. That is what you get when you have a weak president, an unpopular president who sees the people are against him, who can't defend his actions, who is losing support over time

Starting point is 00:47:58 and not gaining it even on the issues where he thinks he's supposed to be strongest. This is a president who has no other ideas and no skills to get him out of this political pickle that he is in. And who has- Wow, political pickle. Rushed right to the end and has decided that if the people are against him, well, then he will bludgeon them. He will literally bludgeon them into not protesting anymore. Because the protests against him are working. Oh. And growing. They're working.

Starting point is 00:48:30 And they're right. It's working. Now, let's get into the promotional part here. And you ain't seen nothing yet because Yeah, it's coming. Among other things, what is this? This is no King's week. It's no King's week.

Starting point is 00:48:41 It's a week all of a sudden. When did it become a week? I don't know. I didn't get the memo, but it's no King's week. It's a week all of a sudden. When did it become a week? I don't know. I didn't get the memo, but it's no King's week. That's this week. Remember? This upcoming weekend, Saturday, June 14th, is likely to be the largest set of protests yet against Trump and the Trump administration. And Trump knows it's coming. You remember that really giant day of protests against Trump back on April 5th? Remember that huge day of protests? No.

Starting point is 00:49:06 Hands-off protests? There were over a thousand protests scheduled that day all over the country against Trump. Well, this weekend, this Saturday, June 14th, there are already more than 1,800 protests scheduled against Trump all around the country. It's going to be like twice the size of that massive day of protests that we saw on April 5th. Okay, so what? Trump is going to do his military parade for himself in Washington that day.

Starting point is 00:49:31 Yeah, that's the talking point. Interestingly, and I think importantly, there is not a no Kings Day protest in Washington, DC this Saturday because of Trump's military parade. They're going to do like a flagship national protest in Philadelphia, but there are more than 1800 other protests against Trump planned all over the country. It looks like there are going to be more and larger protests against Trump this weekend, this Saturday, than we have yet seen on any other day.

Starting point is 00:49:58 And he knows it. He cannot handle the amount of protest against him now, and it is about to increase exponentially. She really believes that this is, like, protest is good. Go ahead, protest. You think anyone cares? Does she think that the ICE protests in LA are about him? They're about ICE. No, but this is what I'm saying. This is the disconnect. ICE is like... No, she's lost her mind, this poor woman. If you look at the No King's Day posters, ICE is like eighth on the list.

Starting point is 00:50:29 It's more about tariffs and inflation and all the old talking points. They didn't have time to print up new posters. Final clip. The No King's Day of Defiance? No King's Day of Defiance. It's expanded in scope. Wait, wait. Now it's grammatically incorrect. Yes. No king's day of defiance? That's a non sequitur at least. Yes. The no king's day of defiance? They said this today, quote. I always want to remind

Starting point is 00:51:02 you that she makes millions of dollars doing this. She makes 25 million. Yes. I always want to remind you that she makes millions of dollars doing this. She makes 25 million. Yes, I always want to remind you because that kind of gets you riled up when you hear that 25 million dollars. The no king's day of defiance. They said this today quote. Well, for 25 million bucks should say anything. Trump sucks. She obviously has, should say anything. Trump sucks. She obviously has orders. Give me 25 million dollars. Trump sucks. He's Hitler. He's no good. John, what do you think about Trump for 25 million dollars? Sucks. Sucks. They said this today, quote, the no King's mobilizations on June 14th were already planned as a peaceful stand against authoritarian overreach and the gross abuse of power this administration has shown. Now this military escalation, meaning what's happening in Los Angeles, only confirms what

Starting point is 00:51:49 we have known. This government wants to rule by force, not serve the people. From major cities to small towns, we will rise together and say we reject political violence. We reject fear as governance. We reject the myth that only some deserve freedom. On Saturday, June 14th, more than 1,800 rallies will take place across the country, peaceful, organized and united.

Starting point is 00:52:12 The No Kings movement has posted a map online showing where those 1,800 plus rallies will be held. I should tell you, and I think this is important. Here we go. Of those 1,800, more than 100 of those have been added to the map since Trump announced that he was sending the National Guard into LA. If he was hoping to get people to not protest, it's backfiring. Organizers are going to hold a series of online trainings this week ahead.

Starting point is 00:52:38 Hey, no agenda producers. We need you to jump on these Zoom calls for some training. Organizers are going to hold a series of online trainings this week ahead of the big day. Tomorrow it's a know your rights training that they're doing nationwide by Zoom so people can better understand how to interact with law enforcement or. How about this? Don't spit on them. Don't throw things at them.

Starting point is 00:53:01 Don't get in their face and you should be okay. That's my advice. Provocateurs during the demonstrations. Oh, how you deal with provocateurs. Oh, I see. And how to interact with… There's always going to be those. Yes.

Starting point is 00:53:12 Law enforcement or provocateurs during the demonstrations. Then two days later on Thursday, another big nationwide Zoom call. They're calling it a pre-mobilization mass call. That's for anybody who's planning to participate. Potentially tens of thousands of people are gonna be on that call. It's basically just to talk strategy ahead of the big day Saturday.

Starting point is 00:53:30 Yeah, well someone should be on it already. You don't have to get on the ball here. It's not gonna be easy. They have this, one of the places they have these protests is in Port Angeles, Washington. Of course. And is Mimi going? Is Mimi going to be bringing her Mexican flag?

Starting point is 00:53:43 Well she goes by, she never takes enough photos for my taste. But she goes by. She says it's the same six people. And they're always out in front of the same, in front of the library or the city hall. I can't remember where specifically. They're always holding signs, handmade signs. Trump signs. And they're all old. It's not like any kids or, you know, any millennials or anything. It's just a bunch of old farts, which I've seen. They also have the, this will show up over here in El Cerrito near me

Starting point is 00:54:16 and El Cerrito Plaza, and I've joined in once in a while to go over there so I can chat with people and, and people and get a couple of cool signs. For my collection, I need any more good signs, but just the good ones. Can I hold your sign, please? I've done different things to get signs. I've actually bought signs. Most people give up their signs for some cash. There's also sign makers. There's usually a sign maker that's around there

Starting point is 00:54:49 and he's making custom signs and he's like, you know, he has reasonably good handwriting. He prints the signs up and they staples them to a stick. And then they give them to somebody. Was this in the 2000s that you did this? I've done this a couple of times. If I have time, and I, because it's over by the post office where I go to pick up the mail and if there's

Starting point is 00:55:08 a little protest going on, it's usually about, you mingle, you mingle, 20 or 30 people. Yeah. I'll pull a car over a park and then I'll come and mingle. Hey, hey girls. What's, what's the protest thing? I'll look at somebody, there'll be somebody with a bullhorn and a sheet of paper of stuff that they're supposed to yell into the bullhorn. Can I hold your paper?

Starting point is 00:55:26 Can I hold your paper for a sec? Yeah, I do that. But it's good research. No, of course it is. And everybody's, you know, that, but it's the same thing. They're all in their fifties and sixties. So you belong. You just, you just blend in.

Starting point is 00:55:39 I fit right in. I'm the old guy. Blend in. Wow. Look at that. Look at that gray hair. Yeah, the hair is kind of disheveled. I'm wearing flannel shirts a lot because it's damn cold around here.

Starting point is 00:55:54 And do you have your sandals on or what are you wearing for shoes? I don't wear it. No, I wear Crocs. Crocs, thank you. I was going to say it. I don't wear Crocs. I'm just making it clear I don't wear Crocs. I wear Skechers. Yeah, they're Crocs. Crocs. Thank you. I don't wear Crocs. I'm just making it clear I don't wear Crocs. I wear Skechers. Yeah, they're Crocs on steroids. They're

Starting point is 00:56:08 like Crocs. They're just Skechers from the same factory. Anyway, but these protests are a joke. This I thought was the, this is such a good clip of Nancy Pelosi. What do we know about the National Guard on January 6th? We know that Trump sent a memo to Pelosi who's in charge of the National Guard because she's responsible and she's in charge of the sergeant at arms of the Congress. So she tells him what to do. He sent a memo to Nancy saying, I think there could be some protests

Starting point is 00:56:47 that we should probably protect the Capitol. We should probably put 10,000 National Guard troops. This was discussed by Nancy. Oops, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Come back, this was discussed by Nancy. This was discussed by Nancy's daughter in the movie that she made where Nancy said, yeah could have probably stopped it. Yep. But Nancy was given a memo she said screw this we're not gonna do that. Mm-hmm. And then they

Starting point is 00:57:13 destroy that memo was that Nancy's was Nancy's property at the time she was destroyed during the hearings and they nobody wants to talk about even though she already you know it's already on tape that she said did what she told her daughter. Yes, in the car. So Trump was trying to get the National Guard to out to just protect the Capitol and that he was rebuked and blamed. Well, it's interesting because Nancy Pelosi remembers it differently.

Starting point is 00:57:38 Former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is noting the disconnect between how the president is behaving now and how he behaved on January 6th. On January 6th, with violence against the Constitution, against the Congress and against the United States Capitol, we begged the president of the United States to send in the National Guard. to send in the National Guard. He would not do it. A contra-constitutional way, he has sent the National Guard into California. Something is very wrong with this picture. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:58:16 Yes. Yes, something is very wrong with this picture, Nancy. Isn't that amazing? It doesn't surprise me in the least. Well, no. They're just liars. It doesn't surprise us. Yeah, it doesn't surprise us at all.

Starting point is 00:58:32 I'm ready to move on if you are. I would like to... I probably, let's just see if there's any scrounge clips left. Scrounge, man, this is like, this is an hour of this nonsense. Oh, you're right, okay. We're talking more about it than the actual protests will last.

Starting point is 00:58:46 It's like, I will say I watched the Apple WWDC keynote, which is a, which is not a keynote. It's a video. And can I summarize it for you as I usually do? Yes, you can summarize for me as you usually do. It's gorgeous. Liquid glass is gorgeous. It's just gorgeous. All your apps are gorgeous. The video, it's gorgeous. It's just gorgeous. Did you say gorgeous?

Starting point is 00:59:18 Oh, they all say gorgeous, particularly Tim. It's gorgeous. It's just so, liquid glass is gorgeous. There you go. That's, that is your, did you tell me to watch Ted Lasso? When it first came out, maybe four years ago, I mentioned that it was an interesting show, kind of, at least the first season. Yeah. No, because, because it's on Apple TV and we TV and someone else recommended it and we started watching it.

Starting point is 00:59:48 We love it. I almost didn't want to make fun of Apple today, but I can't help myself. Because Ted Lasso is gorgeous. I think I thought the show jumped the shark right at the end of the first season. I never watched it since. Oh, no, we're into second season. It's still good. I mean, it's unrealistic.

Starting point is 01:00:05 It doesn't show at all the grooming racist country of the United Kingdom. Doesn't portray that to any accuracy. And the only brown people are the ones playing football. Football. Football. Yeah. Anyway, so that was it. I think it's interesting to watch the shows about sports.

Starting point is 01:00:29 Tina's watching a show about sports. You talk about crazy. This is great. Have you started watching The Recruit? No, no, no. I can't take any more violence. I can't take the violence. It's not that violent.

Starting point is 01:00:43 I don't like the violence. It's too much violence. I'm tired of violence. The Recruit, just for anyone out there, it's on Netflix and it's about a schmuck that joins the CIA and he gets beat up a lot because he's an idiot. But the thing that's remarkable about the show is the portrayal of the bureaucracy and the backbiting, backstabbing, creepy, and anyone's worked in a big bureaucracy. And Mimi says, yeah, the corporate, same way, because she worked at a couple of big banks when she was younger. And I worked in an administrative state operation. You were a Democrat. I can't even believe that you converted. It's amazing. You got saved.

Starting point is 01:01:34 No, common sense. And so, but just to watch the scenes in the office are the ones that make that show work. Okay. The other story that dominated the M5M for obvious reasons, again, full of lies, them in for obvious reasons again full of lies was the AIC ACIP. This is the, um, the, the board of advisors that advises on vaccines for the CDC, which Robert Kennedy Jr. Decided to disband and bring in new guys. And this caused such a tizzy because we know that most of the advertising, certainly on the news programs, but everywhere, everywhere you look, you know, turn on some TV

Starting point is 01:02:17 if you got it still. Maybe you can get one of those over-the-air antennas or get YouTube TV for a day and then cancel it. It's all over the air antennas are cheap. Yep. And effective. It's cheap. It's safe and effective actually.

Starting point is 01:02:32 Yeah. Here's an intro from NBC that'll give you the rundown. Then I have a couple of specific clips from Dr. Celine Gounder we need to discuss. Back here at home, the future of vaccine recommendations remains in question following the move by Health Secretary Robert F Kennedy jr. To retire all the members of a CDC panel of independent experts advising on vaccines By the way, whenever you say Robert Kennedy jr. You have to say Robert Kennedy jr. A known vaccine skeptic Here's Ann Thompson. Fierce blowback tonight to HHS Secretary Robert F We know that's factually not true. We know that the recommendations that change, that insurance will cover it. We went through this. Yes. What you're pointing out is what we've pointed out before, that this is a

Starting point is 01:03:34 lie. It's a lie. Yes. Correct. It's a lie. Insurance won't cover it anymore. People will not get it. You will have a repeat. People will not get it. You won't have access. Somehow people will not get it. You will have a real people will not get it. You won't have access. Somehow people will not get it. Yeah, people won't get it. Put a lot. What network is this? And why would you put a blatant liar on? Oh, wait a minute. It's because the networks are bought and paid for by big pharma. Yes, it's NBC. And what he's not what he's saying is he didn't even say he actually threw out the talking point the pharma companies. Oh, they're not going to get the shot anymore. That's direct to our bottom line.

Starting point is 01:04:12 That's what he's saying. From public health experts. If this committee stops recommending vaccines, insurance companies, and the public health companies, they're going to be the ones that are going to be the ones that are going to be the ones that are going to be the ones that are going to get the shot anymore. That's direct to our bottom line. That's what he's saying. From public health experts. If this committee stops recommending vaccines, insurance won't cover it anymore. People will not get it.

Starting point is 01:04:32 It will have a real impact on people's access to vaccines. And our stock price. And the American Academy of Pediatrics. I think we're likely to see diseases that many people have never seen before or even heard of. Diseases we've never even heard of. How does that work? Just don't want to scare you, but there will be diseases you've never even heard of. Somehow vaccines magically exist for it, but you're going to get that.

Starting point is 01:04:58 Concern from parents. Don Gibson, father of two in California. By the way, this is the most... I'm sorry you're playing this because now you're getting me mad. Oh, bingo. This is a pathetic indictment of the mainstream media that they would do this. Well, isn't that what we do? Yeah, but this is a pathetic indictment, not just an indictment. It's pathetic.

Starting point is 01:05:20 I'm sorry. I'll try to be more classy next time. Concern from parents. Don Gibson, father of two in California I'm really worried that my children won't have access to vaccines that I did Mom harmony Montes in the heart of the recent West Texas measles outbreak. I very much trust vaccines heart of the recent West Texas measles outbreak. I very much trust vaccines. Kennedy a long time.

Starting point is 01:05:46 Best, best drop in ever. Mom in West Texas gotta be a nut job Republican. I very much trust vaccines. Done. California. I'm really worried that my children won't have access to vaccines that I did. Mom, Harmony Montes in the heart of the recent

Starting point is 01:06:02 West Texas measles outbreak. I very much trust vaccines. Kennedy, a long time vaccine skeptic in today's Wall Street Journal writing. Did you hear it? Well known vaccine skeptic. Right. I thought she said long time. Oh, very much trust vaccines.

Starting point is 01:06:18 Kennedy, a long time, right. Skeptic in today's Wall Street Journal writing a clean sweep is needed to reestablish public confidence in vaccine science, claiming the committee has been plagued with persistent conflicts of interest. The committee is made up of independent medical and public health experts who make recommendations to the CDC about vaccine usage. Louisiana Senator Bill Cassidy, a doctor, said in February

Starting point is 01:06:46 Kennedy and the Trump White House promised him this. It confirmed he will maintain the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices recommendations without changes. Today Cassidy was... Hold on a second. Recommendations without changes. Not that he would keep the entire panel in place, but the recommendations. So they kind of fuffle around on that and make it sound like

Starting point is 01:07:13 Kennedy promised not to change the advisory panel, but he promised he wouldn't change the recommendations from the panel, didn't say that, hey, it could be a new panel. Senator Bill Cassidy, a doctor, said in February Kennedy and the Trump White House promised him this. It confirmed he will maintain the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices recommendations without changes. You see what, see he's doing exactly what he said he would do. But I might change the panel.

Starting point is 01:07:46 Today, Cassidy was cautious. I'll have to see. He'll farm me the names, but I can't answer that because I haven't seen the names. Do you see this increasing trust in vaccines? I don't see how it possibly could. Trust and the nation's health experts say potentially at risk. At risk. Trust is at risk. I think that went out the window a long time ago.

Starting point is 01:08:08 Now we go to CBS, Dr. Celine Gounder, who I believe still lost her husband due to a sudden stroke on a soccer field somewhere, mysteriously. Yeah, after getting shot. Mysteriously. Now listen to this. Can you explain to our audience what the CDC's vaccine advisory committee does and why these dismissals are raising alarms?

Starting point is 01:08:29 So our vaccines have to go through multiple hoops before you get, you receive these. I got to go hoops, not tests. We don't do tests. We just go through hoops and loopholes and back doors. We tried, we played a clip recently about the discussion of, uh, of the discussion of the getting rid of, they got rid of two vaccine people off one of these advisory committees and just passed the COVID thing because they were skeptical about COVID boosters and out they went.

Starting point is 01:09:01 Yeah, well, hoops. So our vaccines have to go through multiple hoops before you receive these. So first you have the FDA that approves them, they vet for safety and effectiveness. Then the ACIP, which is this external committee advising the CDC

Starting point is 01:09:14 will help determine how these vaccines should be used. So what age group, what high risk groups? And this is something that's been happening for decades now. It's not partisan, it's not political.

Starting point is 01:09:24 And frankly, it's a pretty boring scientific process. Oh, okay. Well, let's listen to what the issue is then, Dr. Celine Gounder. Kennedy wrote in an op-ed that this is really about restoring the public trust and rooting out conflicts of interest. He specifically said that most of the ACIP members

Starting point is 01:09:41 have received substantial funding from pharmaceutical companies. Does he have a point about conflicts of interest here? Conflicts of interest. What do you think the doctor will say about this? He's going to say no. It's even better than that. What he is citing is an office of the inspector general report that found 97% of the conflict

Starting point is 01:10:00 of interest forms had errors. But these were errors of putting the wrong date. Imagine on your IRS returns, you might have the wrong date on something. That's very different from having a true conflict of interest. And these advisory members cannot serve on this committee if they own stock in a pharmaceutical company, if they're on a pharmaceutical company associated advisory board of some kind. Now Kennedy, on the other hand hand is conflicted. Anybody who stands to gain or lose from the outcome of a vaccine decision

Starting point is 01:10:30 and he has sued multiple vaccine manufacturers, he has stood to gain or lose from the outcome of these decisions. That is by definition conflicted. Okay, so I don't wanna get into the definition of conflicted because I could look into Dr. Celine Gounder's conflicts of interest as a TV doctor.

Starting point is 01:10:49 But I do have this thing called the internet and I did pull up this report from 2009 which she discredits and says, hey man, it's just like you got the date wrong on your tax return, which by the way, you can get in a lot of hassle for putting the wrong date or oops, I missed a digit. And so I have the findings.

Starting point is 01:11:08 I'm looking at the paper that she just said, oh, no, it was 97%. But I missed a little thing. Findings for almost all special government employees. This is the AIPC. CDC did not ensure that financial disclosure forms were complete. CDC certified OGE forms 450 with at least one omission for 97% of the SGEs. Most of the forms had more than one type of omission. Omission is not the same thing as oops I got the date wrong.

Starting point is 01:11:45 2. CDC did not identify or resolve potential conflicts of interest for 64% of these employees. 64% had potential conflicts of interest that CDC did not identify and or resolve before it certified their OGE forms for 50. Specifically, 58% of the SGEs had potential conflicts of interest that CDC did not identify. In addition, 32% of them had potential conflicts of interest that CDC identified but did not resolve. 26% of them had both CDC unidentified and unresolved potential conflicts of interest. It's just the date they made they did wrong.

Starting point is 01:12:28 That's all that it is. Three, CDC did not ensure that 41% of these employees received ethics training in 2007. CDC did not ensure that 41% had ethics training certificates on file to document they received initial or annual ethics training within the required timeframes. And the final point, 15% of them did not comply with the ethics requirement during committee meetings. Specifically, 13% of them participated in community meetings without having current certified OGE forms on file. In addition, 3% voted on particular matters when their waivers prohibited such participation.

Starting point is 01:13:12 4% both participated in committee meetings without current certified forms on file and voted on particular matters when their waivers prohibited such participation. Bull crap, Dr. Celine Gounder. We have the internet and we stand strong. Okay. So just more lies. That's but that is that to me is a big lie. I mean, she does. I just got to hear that. She's obviously conflicted.

Starting point is 01:13:43 I just want to hear one more time what she said. Kennedy wrote in an op-ed that this is really about restoring that most of the ACIP members have received substantial funding from pharmaceutical companies. Does he have a point about conflicts of interest here? What he is citing is an office of the inspector general report that found 97% of the conflict of interest forms had errors, but these were errors of like putting the wrong date. I mean, imagine on your IRS returns, you might have the wrong date on something that's very

Starting point is 01:14:08 different from having a true conflict of interest. Or omitting things on my tax return. If I omit things on my tax return, I am actually committing, I don't know if it's a felony, if it's a civil offense, but I'm going to get in trouble if they find out. So, no. Well, these guys all got in trouble. They all got released. So they put a new group in. So what? What's wrong with the new group?

Starting point is 01:14:34 Does she have something to complain about? Well, according to the Wall Street Journal, RFK Jr. names eight vaccine panel replacements, including COVID-shot skeptics. You don't want a skeptic on your panel. Let's see who we have. Yeah, heaven forbid you have somebody that's, that is open. We've got Dr. Robert Malone. Wait, who's the first guy here? They put Malone on there? That's not true. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. so he has nothing but time.

Starting point is 01:15:06 Vicki Pebsworth, a nurse with a public health doctorate who's a board member of the National Vaccine Information Center, which is a pro-vaccine group, I will say. We talked about them during COVID. They come across as anti, but I think they're pro. Yeah, it could be. Dr. Robert Malone, who of course worked on research into several mRNA COVID-19 vaccines. Has patents. Retsef Levi, Massachusetts Institute of Technology Management Professor, and he called for the

Starting point is 01:15:41 COVID-19 vaccines to be withdrawn from the market in a 2023 video. Dr. Martin Kulldorf, former professor of medicine at Harvard University, who became known during the pandemic as a critic of COVID-19 mitigation measures such as lockdowns. We can't have that guy on the panel. Cody Meisner, pediatrician, infectious disease specialist, respected by other vaccine experts. So, you know, it's like, Kennedy's doing exactly what he said. He needs to restore trust with the other half of the, actually the other 70% of the country, really 40% who went no. And then there's the 30% that went no, but okay, I'll go along to get along. So he's doing exactly what he promised. This is very good

Starting point is 01:16:32 This is what you want. He's not getting rid of vaccines. If you want him go get him If you want him, of course, it's your kids won't go to school Same thing here in Fredericksburg You want your kids to go to St. Mary's? Got to have your vaccines. Well, what if I don't want to give my kids vaccines? Sorry, you can't go to St. Mary's. But you know the vaccines might have pieces of embryo in there. Yeah, that may be, but Jesus says you can't come to school. You can't come to school. So this is. So Rogan had this woman on this doctor.

Starting point is 01:17:09 Which one? Who was. Sorry? Which one? I'm looking for the clip. Um. Oh, the older lady. No, she's not older. She's kind of middle age.

Starting point is 01:17:20 Yeah. My age. Mary Bowden. Yeah. Dr. Mary Bowden. Yes. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:17:24 She's not, I wouldn't call her older. She's like my age. I think she's, well Bowden. Dr. Mary Bowden. Yes. Yeah. She's not, I wouldn't call her older. She's like my age. Maybe. Whatever the case is, he liked her. Yeah. And the clip I should have gotten, I would have gotten, I could have gotten, but I didn't get, is where she talks about how the vaccine was, you know, foisted upon the public in a certain kind of way. I'll get that clip maybe maybe play it on Sunday, but this clip I thought was interesting.

Starting point is 01:17:49 This is part of the whole time during the COVID. You know, I think Kennedy would, this COVID-19 vaccine should be taken off the market. Yes. It should have been taken off the market early on and they just can't get it rid of it. And so Kennedy, I think one of the things he's trying to do is find enough guys, you know, to get this thing taken off the market, but it's gonna be hard to do. And then when you hear stories like this, this disgusting story, which was in this,

Starting point is 01:18:19 and I would recommend, I don't listen to all of Rogan's stuff. You don't even watch it when I'm on. It's true. Admit it. It's true. I know what you're, I know you. I don't need to watch you. Oh, there's Adam.

Starting point is 01:18:37 Let me see what he has to say. I know what you have to say. It doesn't make any sense. It's like watching, you know. Yeah, like watching paint dry. I know. I'm sorry to bore Wow. Yeah, like watching paint dry. I know. I'm sorry to bore you.

Starting point is 01:18:47 It's like watching paint dry. It's exactly right. So, but I would recommend this, people listen to this thing, whole cloth, beginning to end. It's really good. But listen to this. There's actually a lawsuit today that's first jury trial in the country over these hospital protocols where they had a young woman with Down syndrome. They basically euthanized her. They gave her a DNR order even though

Starting point is 01:19:12 she didn't have one and the father has just been wonderful. It's a Shara family. Why did they do that? They euthanized her for what? I've seen this. I have reviewed records from these hospital patients and they'll euthanize them. They need the bed. They said, well, they're going to die anyway. What was this person in the hospital for? COVID. COVID protocol. And they, wait, wait, wait. So they were in the hospital with COVID and they gave them something to kill them?

Starting point is 01:19:44 Yeah. That happened. I'm sorry, but I mean, that happened. COVID and they gave them something to kill them? Yeah. That happened. I'm sorry, but I mean, that happened. People they give them morphine and insulin. What? Yeah, yeah. That's common? Yeah.

Starting point is 01:19:55 Yeah. I've reviewed charts in this situation. They gave her a DNR, which is do not resuscitate. Meaning if they look like they're dying, you don't do anything, which that was not the case. So they're suing for battery, which is one way of getting around the PREP Act, because the PREP Act is very hard to penetrate. The PREP Act protects everybody, all the doctors, all the hospitals from any wrongdoing during COVID.

Starting point is 01:20:24 So it's been this big challenge trying to get around the PrEP Act. In this case, has hope of getting around the PrEP Act because they're charging for battery and they're in trial. It started today. It's in Wisconsin. So that gives me hope. Wow. Wow. Yeah. Yeah,, indeed. And of course, then you hear just around the same time Rogan's interviewing her and he's a gas like everybody else and she's going, she's a very famous doctor in Houston.

Starting point is 01:20:57 I've seen some of her stuff. We hear this from, this is a chromo on one of the podcasts with some other guy and he says this crazy thing. My big prediction is that Rogan's success is admirable. I do not believe he'll be where he was three months ago a year from today. There are too many talented people entering that space now who want his real estate and they're going to be better at what he does than he is. So I think that yeah but you know I gotta be honest that he's gonna see attrition. That's not the first time someone said that about Joe. He does surpass expectations.

Starting point is 01:21:33 People wrote his obituary many, many times and it's just never come true. Oh, listen, I don't necessarily want it to come true because I don't find him offensive or anything. Are you saying stop to me? I'm sorry. Did you say stop? No, I didn't find him offensive or anything. Are you saying stop to me? I'm sorry. Did you say stop? No, I didn't say anything. Oh, listen, I don't necessarily want it to come true because I don't find him offensive or anything.

Starting point is 01:21:53 I see him as innocuous, but he's getting criticism. He never got criticism before. The media is taking him seriously now and that's not going to go well for him. The media is going to take him down, because you know it's just a podcast. What a dope. I was flabbergasted by this attack. It's dopey. It's dopey. If anything I think Fredo believes that he's the one that's going to dethrone him from the crew, from the, he's going to get rid of Rogan. I'm better than Joe.

Starting point is 01:22:29 Yeah. It's like, no. What an idiot. So I received at least 20 BOTG reports. You know what that stands for, right? BOTG reports. You know what that stands for right BOTG? Gee, let me think. Bitches on the gag. No, it's boobs on the ground. Boobs on the ground, okay.

Starting point is 01:22:57 Normally boots on the ground, now it's boobs on the ground about our discussion of breastfeeding versus formula. Yes, I got a bunch of them too. Lots of lactating mothers wrote us. And Mimi even said to me, how come you guys didn't bring up the fact that breast milk is a super, it's like a super food that we should have mentioned. And then kids, babies don't get sick when they're breastfeeding. It's almost impossible. They don't get colds. They don't get anything. And they don't definitely don't need a vaccine through the mom. And it was

Starting point is 01:23:29 just like, yes, this was the theme. I noticed a lot of this and I responded to a couple. I should have responded to more of them. But it got so bad, I had to come up with a form response that said, thank you very much for your contribution. I got tired of typing it, but I read all of them. And I first want to say the most important thing that we have, that we just don't know. Breastfeeding is hard work. It is, it is not, you know, we just think like, ah,

Starting point is 01:23:57 just put the baby up there. It sucks. You're good to go. No, and you had, there's moments like, uh, women like to, they complain, uh, women like to complain. I'm sorry I said that because I'm not going to get some notes. But they'll complain that a certain, like a baby hits a, you know, some, they can be like in, if they're in breastfeeding mode and they're out and about and some baby down

Starting point is 01:24:18 this hallway and they start leaking, they start leaking, it drops their milk and there's nothing they can do about it. And they start making it, oh God, what a horrible. And they complain bitterly about this. And I'd say, yeah, it's like if you were all of a sudden something happened and you just automatically peed in your pants. I had a guy I worked with that did union oil.

Starting point is 01:24:40 Stop, don't get off the topic. Keep that story in your pants for one minute I brought the topic up. You've already just went off for like 10 minutes about your experience. It was 30 seconds That's what she said now listen Breastfeeding is hard work. There's a lot that goes into it that we don't I mean even though I've seen it. I've witnessed it, you don't think about these things. And so my summary, and I put a couple of them in the show notes, and the one I was really interested in, because this is what I asked, is like,

Starting point is 01:25:13 what happened before formula? What did we do in the 1800s? So I'll just read that, and then I'll surmise all the other emails. Pre-Victorian era, if a baby could not breastfeed by their mother, as in their mother died in childbirth, other arrangements like wet nurses would be made. If a wet nurse was not available, substitute like cow's milk were used.

Starting point is 01:25:34 However, infant mortality was extremely likely as breast milk provides key nutrients and antibodies that help build a baby's immune system. And apparently goat milk was also popular. In the Victorian era, people let the germ theory of disease get into their heads so they thought that if a scientist in a sterile lab could replicate something from the germ-filled real world, the lab version was obviously better.

Starting point is 01:25:58 That's when and why baby formula was invented. Despite male doctors telling women to use formula, most still breastfed because why pay for something we can get for free? In the 20th century, formula only became popular during World War II as working mothers became a thing. Generations of women have now been told to prioritize careers over children and have been brainwashed into thinking of baby formula like feeding your kids dino nuggets instead of grilled chicken. It's not the best but it's a convenience you can still feel good about.

Starting point is 01:26:29 With more and more research showing the nutritional difference between formula and breast milk, this narrative is finally crumbling and all formula companies can do now is make new formulas and go on trying to pretend it's just as good as breast milk. And my takeaway from the women who emailed me, which is a lot, a lot of them breastfeeding as we speak. In fact, they're hearing me right now. They got one on each boob. Some of them emailed me this. That the PSYOP from the baby formula companies

Starting point is 01:27:00 was so strong, the marketing was so strong, that it really turned belief into, hey, we make something better than what you can produce. And I completely believe that, along with some stigma, certainly in America, the stigma of, she's whipping out her boob and giving the baby breast milk right here in public, oh no, that's no good.

Starting point is 01:27:26 And so I too am happy that this narrative is changing. And thank you, Bobby the Bob Kennedy, thank you for bringing us to the forefront and getting people to think for a second. Doesn't make it any easier. There's not facilities everywhere. Pumping is a pain in the butt. There's all kind, you know women have to work these days You got to have two incomes just to survive. It's not easy men step it up Do everything you can to help your wife your woman, whatever it is Because it's better for your baby And I can say that without being a doctor. It just makes sense. But thank you, women, for A, showing us that you still listen and that you really listen.

Starting point is 01:28:09 Really appreciate that. Surprisingly, yes. I was like, wow, we got chicks listening, man. This is good news. They're still here. And thank you for being so open about all of the issues and what you think. And thank you for opening my eyes.

Starting point is 01:28:23 Because, I mean, Tina and I, by the way Tina's like you guys suck. You guys don't know nothing. That's why she was blowing up my phone. All the girls, all the lunch ladies like what were Adam and John talking about? What do they know about this? Yeah, I agree with that. We don't know anything about it. We don't do it. So thank you. But we do know more than we expressed in the last, when we were discussing it. We don't do it. So thank you. But we do know more than we expressed in the last when we were discussing it. Of course. And we did not bring up the fact that it's a healthier alternative to getting vaccinated as a pregnant person. Oh, pregnant person. But it's good and I'm happy that women of no agenda get monation,

Starting point is 01:29:05 that they are turning to this form of feeding their infant. They realize it's better. Many are taking pay cuts. Husbands are working harder so they can be at home, breastfeed, homeschool. Oh no, trad wife! Yeah. So this is in general, I think a very, very good development and I'm proud of

Starting point is 01:29:27 y'all and y'all deserve a medal for what you have to go through because it is not just a matter of, oh baby hungry, let's go. That's kind of what we as guys think. You don't think about it. Like this is not that easy. Anyway, thank you. I really appreciate it. I got an education and one of these days, hopefully one of our daughters will have a kid. I'm starting to wonder about that. They're all getting old. Hurry up. All my friends are, oh, I became a granddad. Woo, yeah. I'm ready for it. I'm ready to show a kid how to drive a truck, drink beer and shoot.

Starting point is 01:30:00 She'll love it. So while on the topic of women and breastfeeding, let's talk about the Tonys. Oh man, was that Sunday? I completely missed it. Yes it was Sunday and I was always of the opinion that the Tonys couldn't get more gay. Well it's kind of a gay sport. Every year I'm wrong. Hold on a second, did Clooney win for anything after he did that big live show? No, they were shut out. Oh man, because you know what he did? He broke ranks.

Starting point is 01:30:33 He's like, theater is for the Broadway. It is not for CNN, television. Who do you think you are Clooney? Go back to your film. Well, he did them a favor. He did Tony Awards a favor by being on 60 Minutes as the lead in to the Tonys, talking about the Tonys. The Tonys.

Starting point is 01:30:55 No corruption there, there on CBS. Well, this was, come on. It was on the same network. That's what you do. I just think it's corrupt, I don't care. So there was a lot of non-binaries. This guy Jack Malone, one for best actor, but he's a non-binary dude in a dress and he came out there with his dress on. It's just a kind of a flaming...

Starting point is 01:31:16 Now what was the play he starred in? Mary. And does Mary call for a man dressed as a woman or for a woman? It calls for a... He's playing Mary Lincoln and it calls for a woman. And he's a man dressed as a woman playing a woman. But he's a guy and I give Tony's credit for not nominating for best female actress. Well, next year. There's always next year. We'll get there. But they're gone in this non-binary thing. In fact, the best guy, this one guy comes out, he wins the award for, I forgot what, he's a singer I think.

Starting point is 01:31:55 And he comes out, he's not dressed as a woman, but he's got all this makeup on, he's got eyeshadow and lipstick and he comes out and he had the ends of this guy Michael Arden. He has this little little ditty at the end as he goes through this long tirade about you know, non-binaryism and he makes the following comment here. Keep telling stories that probe for deeper truths that inspire hope because the darker it gets, the more we need your light. As Daddy Sondheim said, give us more to see. And if there are any queer people watching tonight, Happy Pride.

Starting point is 01:32:39 Yay! The crowd goes wild! You're so brave. So brave. You should have said Happy World brave. I'm so brave. You should have said happy world pride. I'm disappointed. Play this clip here. Tony, now this guy, happy pride. He's sending queer people listening, got a big laugh.

Starting point is 01:32:59 Ha ha ha. I figured everybody. Every budget. Try Tony's, I should mention this. This is kind of a little bit off topic, but every ad during the Tony's was aimed at the audience and it was AIDS drugs and drugs and other kinds of drugs and ozempic and ozempic and ozempic and drugs and drugs and drugs. So a pretty typical CBS lineup of ads is what you're saying. Yeah, it was a little more than usual, I thought.

Starting point is 01:33:32 But I had to play this. I did collect the side effects for Rick Zolti. It's worth listening to. Oh yes. Do we know what Rick Salty does? I forgot already. She recommended adding Rick Salty. When taken with an antidepressant, Rick Salty was proven to significantly reduce depression symptoms more than an antidepressant.

Starting point is 01:33:54 Oh, it's like a hamburger helper for... Yeah, right. It's a hamburger helper for antidepressants. Is your antidepressant not working? Try Rick Salty. Yeah. All right. She recommended adding Rick Salty. Is your antidepressant not working? Try Rexulti. Yeah, alright. She recommended adding Rexulti. When taken with an antidepressant, Rexulti was proven to significantly reduce depression symptoms more than an antidepressant alone.

Starting point is 01:34:13 With my antidepressant, Rexulti could provide a boost. Elderly people with dementia-related psychosis have increased risk of death or stroke. Antidepressants may increase suicidal thoughts and actions and worsen depression in children and young adults. Call your healthcare provider right away to report new or sudden changes in mood, behavior, thoughts or feelings. Or if you develop suicidal thoughts or actions. Report fever, stiff muscles and confusion, which can be life-threatening, or uncontrolled muscle movements, which may be permanent. High blood sugar can lead to coma or death. Weight gain, increased cholesterol, unusual urges, dizziness on standing, falls, seizures, trouble swallowing, or sleepiness may occur.

Starting point is 01:34:47 Could adding regzalti be right for you? Sounds right for me. May result in death. Regzalti in death. Oh, beautiful. Beautiful. Yeah. Wow. Yes. I love how it could make you more depressed, but it's supposed to make me less depressed. It could make you more depressed. It could make, it could give you suicidal thoughts, but it's supposed to make me less depressed. Yeah, but you might want to kill yourself. Actually, I take it back.

Starting point is 01:35:15 It was Cole Escola who was the dude in the dress. Jack Malone who won for one of the actors. He had, I have a couple of clips from him. It should only be one. I think I double clipped. Play the long one. This is, I thought this was the clip of the day. Thank you so much to my family watching in England

Starting point is 01:35:32 and thank you to my little family, my beautiful partner Jasmine, and my little dog Dracula who came out here to have this adventure with me. You are my whole heart and I'd be lost without you and I'm grateful every day. The last thing I wanted to say is this, eight times a week I walk out on that stage and tell the audience that I'm a woman

Starting point is 01:35:46 I'm not one and I only convey it through simple adjustments to posture, voice and energy But night after night audiences believe in Hester. They weep for her, they invest in her, they love her for her old romantic heart And if you watched our show and found yourself believing in Hester Well, then I am so glad to tell you that intentionally or otherwise you might have just bid farewell to cynicism glad to tell you that intentionally or otherwise you might have just bid farewell to cynicism to outdated ideas to that rotten old binary and opened yourself up to a world that is already out there in glorious technicolor and isn't going away anytime soon. Thank you so much. The rotten old binary. Is that what he says?

Starting point is 01:36:27 Rotten old binary? That's what he says. He says you can kiss goodbye the rotten old binary because he plays, you know, he's a guy playing, well he's the guy who had all the makeup on. I'm sorry. Well you are confusing me with this report. Who is who now? Was this the dude in the dress or not?

Starting point is 01:36:42 No, the dude in the dress is this Cola Scola guy who is a... Let's play him then. But this is just his intro because he just, he doesn't really have anything funny to say, just kind of a hysterical gay guy basically. So, but this intro to him was interesting because they required that they say they. He's a they then.

Starting point is 01:37:04 And the American Theatre Wing's Tony Award goes to... because they required that they say they. He's a they then. Okay. And the American Theatre Wing's Tony Award goes to... She already messed it up. The announcer got messed up. And the American Theatre Wing's... They, she's so worried about saying they. Right, she was told, do better say they,

Starting point is 01:37:23 because he's a they them. Oh no, the American, they at, because he's a they them. And so she blows it. Oh no, the American theater, it's now Theater. Have you been to the theater yet? And the American Theatre Wing's Tony Award goes to... Cola Scola. Oh man. Good voice. The Tony Award for their reimagining of Mary Todd Lincoln as a wannabe cabaret star. There.

Starting point is 01:37:56 Okay. Yeah, there. I thought that was. Now, you as a lover of the theater, were you angered by this? No, it wasn't. I thought they were overdoing the non-binary stuff. They made a big point that everyone's now in the theater, you're not gay anymore. It's world pride, man. Well, there was a couple pride mentions there, I heard that one, but the end of the horrible binary thing and this

Starting point is 01:38:28 guy going on is not going away anytime soon. It's just like a, what was annoying to me was they play all these sections of different plays and musicals. There was nothing. This last season was bad. Yeah. And you like theater. You like theater. I like season was bad. Yeah. And you like theater. You like theater.

Starting point is 01:38:48 I like the theater. The theater. The theater. From now on we call it the theater. It's a primary form of entertainment that is, I think, culturally important. But not if it's just going to be a brainwashing fest. Yeah. Well.

Starting point is 01:39:04 It sucks. I wouldn't, I mean, I have, you know, if I always preferred the London, the East End stuff to the Broadway anyway, just better. Yeah. So I would like to point out the art of the deal at Perfect Work, completely done as expected, beautiful, good for our country and that is the NATO increase in payments. And so I will recant very quickly what the idea-

Starting point is 01:39:42 Recant? That means you're going to recant? I'm going to rap. We can't. Yeah, okay. Yeah, I'm going to... Okay, okay. Elucidate what you're looking for. Okay, language police, correct me.

Starting point is 01:39:56 Well, you know, I'm sorry. Okay, I'm going to...believe me, I'm on you now. I'm going to elucidate... Perfect. Gold star! I'm going to elucidate. Gold star. I'm going to elucidate what the idea was. The NATO member states, which is code for countries, were originally supposed to pay 2% of their national GDP, so all their money, 2% of all their money.

Starting point is 01:40:26 They're supposed to give us basically 2% of all their money for our war stuff. I'm just going to break it down to what it is. Now we've kind of forgotten it, but President Trump kept saying, hey, this has got to be three and a half percent. This has got to be three and a half percent. Everybody's like, no, I'm going to do that. So then he came out and went, uh-uh, I'm sorry. I've changed that to five percent. We need five percent.

Starting point is 01:40:57 And then he deployed his heat seeking missile, White Line's Ruta. And Ruta did a great job because he closed the deal at 5% but it's really three and a half percent money that goes to us which is what we wanted in the first place and when I say we it's what President Trump wanted to come into our coffers for us to give them boom booms pew pews and then Rütte worked a deal. He did a good job for the nut job that he is, did a good job. And he said, well, the one and a half percent, it will be five percent, but one and a half percent will have to be on other things for like hybrid warfare and infrastructure, which of course, everybody knows no country is going to spend that money at all.

Starting point is 01:41:43 So President Trump got exactly what he wanted. Three and a half percent from all the member states. NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte said on Thursday that most allies endorse President Donald Trump's demand to spend five percent of GDP on defense. After a defense minister's meeting in Brussels, Rutte cited broad support and expects a deal at NATO summit in The Hague later this month. The new target includes 3.5% on core military spending plus 1.5% on infrastructure for rapid deployment. This is a significant increase on the current 2% goal which about a third of members have yet to reach despite spending hikes since 2022.

Starting point is 01:42:23 yet to reach despite spending hikes since 2022. Of course, you need the core defense spending, but let's be honest with each other. If a tank is not able to cross a bridge, if our societies are not prepared in case war breaks out for a whole society approach, if you're not able to really develop the defense industrial base, then the 3.5 percent is great

Starting point is 01:42:47 But then you cannot really defend yourselves Trump has pushed allies to spend more so the u.s. Can focus elsewhere questioning defense guarantees for those who spend too little US Defense Secretary Pete Hexeth claimed in Brussels that Trump revived the alliance and that European allies were grateful He also hinted at the review of the 84,000 US troops currently based in Europe Seth claimed in Brussels that Trump revived the Alliance and that European allies were grateful. He also hinted at a review of the 84,000 US troops currently based in Europe. At their meeting, ministers also approved new purchasing targets for weapons and equipment, part of major 2023 plan to defend Alliance territory. That's how you do the deal.

Starting point is 01:43:21 He wanted three and a half percent. He said, you got to pay me five. And then Ruth came in and went, oh, well, you know what? Hey guys, this is what I'm going to do. I'm going to say it's going to be five, but we'll do one and a half and we'll talk some bridges crap. You'll never have to spend that. Or just the stuff you're already spending on fixing potholes. You just put that into the 1.5 and all I have to pay is three and a half percent.

Starting point is 01:43:41 Everyone's happy. It's beautiful. I think it goes unnoticed how well executed that plan was. It's gone totally unnoticed. Yeah. No, you're the only one. Well, it's because of my boy, Rutte. I love him.

Starting point is 01:43:58 Yeah, you love Rutte. You like doing his voice. Let's be honest. Let's be honest. With three and a half percent, you're not going to be able to defend against Russia. You need to have bridges that will hold the tanks. You know? Yes.

Starting point is 01:44:14 If you want to mobilize and keep yourself safe, you need that one and a half percent. So President Trump and I will make a big splash in the Hague at NATO. Thank you very much. Thank you very much for coming. By the way, who wants to go to the sauna later with me? I'm excited. You're excited. You definitely don't want to go. But we still have to throw some fear in there.

Starting point is 01:44:40 I think this was just before the meeting adjourned and we rolled out the actor Volodymyr Zelensky and a couple of other actors to say hey man Russia's not just coming for us. They're coming for everybody Peace in the region and hybrid warfare were the main topics of the odessa summit which was attended by ukraine Romania the republic of maldova serbia al Albania, Greece, Montenegro, Croatia and Slovenia. Russian war plans point to this region, Odessa, and then toward the borders with Moldova and Romania.

Starting point is 01:45:16 And of course we need protection now, but even more, we need long-term guarantees that this can never happen again. Romanian President Nicușor Dan accused Russia of undermining peace efforts. Moldova's President Maia Sandu has warned of the dangers of hybrid warfare aimed at influencing the country's parliamentary elections scheduled for this fall. We do learn every day by new attempts and new ways through which Russia tries to interfere with our internal processes, political processes, democratic processes. It is going to be tough, but we do want Moldovans to decide for Moldova at the parliamentary

Starting point is 01:45:57 elections, not Kremlin. The Black Sea port city of Odessa was shelled by Russian forces in the run-up to the summit. Yeah, just make every... Oh, Russia's meddling in our elections. Just like Romania can't have that YouTube guy winning. Nup, nup, nup, nup, nup, he was the Russian candidate. It's all so corrupt. Hehehe So, so corrupt, man.

Starting point is 01:46:20 And then sad news today if you heard the rock and roll pre-show with Darren O. Brian Wilson, a co-founding member of the Beach Boys has died Wilson's family announced his passing on his official website today a cause of death was not released Wilson and his cousin Mike love wrote the song surfing in 1961 setting up the formation of the band known for its iconic surf song surf sound in 2023 Rolling Stone magazine named Wilson one of the 200 greatest for its iconic surf song. Surf sound. In 2023, Rolling Stone magazine named Wilson one of the 200 greatest singers of all time. He was 82 years old.

Starting point is 01:46:52 Horrible obituary. Horrible. Singer? Singer? He was one of the worst singers in the band. He was a great songwriter. He was a terrific, he was not only, he was so prolific, he wrote all the Beach Boys material with it.

Starting point is 01:47:07 He had a partner, a couple of different writers who he would partner with. But he also did all the Jan and Dean material and then there was two or three other little spin-off groups that you'd, you know, that guy can't even remember the name of them anymore, but he wrote all their material. Jan and Dean. The guy was like a maniac for writing songs. Yes. And they were all hits. He was interviewed recently or before he died and somebody asked him if, you know, do you

Starting point is 01:47:32 think this was going to be a hit or not? He'd say, yeah. It was like, oh, he's best known for surfing USA. Let's go surfing. How about, how about God only knows? How about pet sounds? Pet sounds is not my favorite but man, you talk of people who love songs and songwriting. No, the Beatles say it was their inspiration for Dr. Pepper.

Starting point is 01:47:55 No, instead. Or Dr. Pepper, or Dr. whatever. Dr. Pepper. Hello, I'm John Paul Esringo. We're here to do Dr. Pepper. That's right. Dr. Pepper. It was Dr. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band. And I guess the Rolling Stones are big fans of Pet Sounds too. Yes, but oh no.

Starting point is 01:48:14 Hey, if I die, just don't let anybody say anything. He was best known for his hair. He was best known for his hair. For his hair. Curry was iconic for his hair. Thank you very much. That's it. That's it.

Starting point is 01:48:27 Dude, that is so lame. You know, there's another thing. I'm watching Netflix and I don't watch that much TV, but I watch certain things. I like some of the documentaries. And so there's a new documentary on Led Zeppelin. Oh. One of my, one of the, I've seen a lot of these bands. You've seen them, you've seen them live. You've done, I think. I saw them on their first appearance in the United States

Starting point is 01:48:51 some life. Didn't you do heroin with Keith Moon at a certain point? I never did heroin with anybody. Okay. And so when I saw them, I said, holy crap, these guys are unbelievable. It was the best band I've heard. John C. Dvorak, he picks the hits. And meanwhile, in the documentary, they pointed out that their first tour of the United States, the Rolling Stone magazine panned them. They're no good. The songs are stupid. It was, I think I didn't know that. And it was pretty funny, but so they do a whole documentary on Led Zeppelin and not one mention, not one bar is played,

Starting point is 01:49:29 not one reference is made to my absolute favorite song from Led Zeppelin of all time. Oh, let me guess. Your favorite Led Zeppelin song of all time. Wow. What could this be? Stairway to Heaven. They didn't reference Stairway to Heaven? At all. Wow.

Starting point is 01:49:55 And it's like this song, I like, you know, this is one of the songs that if I go into it, if there's a piano bar or somebody playing guitar, something, I'll always go up to them and tip them and have them play stairway to heaven. Boomer fave. In the bar or the, and it brings the house down. Of course it does. And everybody, every musician that plays in bars seems to know the song.

Starting point is 01:50:23 Go into any guitar shop. Every guitar shop there's a guy playing Stairway to Heaven on the electric guitar in the guitar room. It's like, it's a standard. Stair, no stairway, that is crazy. It's like I remember giving the one, it was a piano guy and I said,

Starting point is 01:50:40 and I said, I gave him five I think. Can you play Stairway to Heaven? And his response was, hell yes. You know, there are guitar shops, I think, that actually have signs that say, no Stairway to Heaven. Please stop playing that song. We've heard it so many times. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:51:00 I forgot to mention, I think this is the minister of Defense in the Netherlands sent a note to the parliament. I'm translating on the fly here because I have the notes, PDF, so it looks legit. We have seen that President Trump has fired trans military members from the service in America. And as you know, we're having a hard time recruiting people in the Netherlands and we need more for our NATO membership. We would like to ask the government if they could explore options for us to

Starting point is 01:51:44 take these trans American military members and work for us. What? You heard me right. This is a joke, right? No, no, it's not a joke. Nope. Well, they could go to Holland and learn Dutch. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:52:02 It's crazy. Anyway. Hey, good story about Led Zeppelin. Good story. That's a good story. Hey, since we're closing in on time here, I'm just, I keep looking at, cause you know, AI, I love stories about AI and I see you've got a series on Hollywood versus AI and I'm kind of chomping at the bit to hear what this is. Okay, well we can run through it. It's a little, the problem is it has a dull quality to it,

Starting point is 01:52:32 but it's interesting. Dull? How could this be dull? It's great news. It's about a lawsuit taking place and it starts with the Hollywood versus AI. This is a BBC, this is from BBC World Service. And when they get into stuff, I mean, it gets boring. Yeah, you're right. It's because the Brits are boring. Yeah, that's right. But, but at least we'll learn, you'll learn something. And this is kind of interesting.

Starting point is 01:52:58 And I may skip a bunch of them and just play the kicker at the end. Cause the end part was kind of interesting, But let's start with clip zero, one. Been using AI at any stage during it to help them. Is this how it starts? Is this Hollywood versus AI BBC? Yeah. Yeah, I had to clip off the beginning of it. Okay.

Starting point is 01:53:21 Hello to the BBC. We're going to talk about AI versus Hollywood. Been using AI at any stage during it to help them. Right. But we are now going to talk about AI once again because it's an issue that's proving to be quite a challenge for some of the world's largest entertainment companies. We're talking, of course, about copyright when it comes to AI. And two of Hollywood's largest studios have taken legal action on this issue for the very first time. Here's our tech correspondent, Lily Jamali, who's in San Francisco. These are the first Hollywood players to take on this issue of copyright having to do with

Starting point is 01:53:55 AI. We've seen other companies in the publishing space like the New York Times do this. Some authors have sued and the like, but these are the biggest players in Hollywood. And, you know, this AI issue has festered for really a couple of years now. At times, it's placed the studios at odds with their writers. Now we see the writers actually on side with the studios who are saying that this company mid journey has stolen their characters, they're alleging copyright infringement of characters, some of which were developed a century or more ago. Yeah, we are talking about Disney and Universal who have bought this case against Mijeni, who haven't commented as yet. Let's bring in Rebecca Tushnet, who's a law professor

Starting point is 01:54:37 at Harvard specializing in copyright, which I presume, Rebecca, is a pretty busy place to be at the moment. So mid journey, they're talking about imagery, right? So they're talking about visual copyright, not about words. Am I correct in that assumption? They're actually talking about everything. But when they talk about characters that were developed a hundred years ago, nobody did the idiot from the BBC. Isn't that a public domain?

Starting point is 01:55:04 That should have been public domain at least 25 years ago based on the newest copyright laws. So, what are we talking about here that you're worried about characters developed a hundred years ago being, you know, lifted by AI? So I found that to be, oh, this is not good. All right. Onward with the second part here. One thing that struck us was these are the first

Starting point is 01:55:29 big Hollywood studios to be bringing a case like this. Why has it taken them so long? We've seen the music industry probably move a little bit quicker on these issues. So, you know, it's hard to say from the outside, but I think clearly there's a question of are they going to cut licensing deals and the lawsuit suggests that they're seeking greater leverage in licensing deals.

Starting point is 01:55:57 You know, they want to be the ones who pick the winners in AI. Which is not easy, I suppose. Rebecca, when we have a new concept, I, copyright is an old concept, isn't it? But AI now adds a complicating factor to it. So do the existing laws work or do we need new laws put in place to tackle a new issue? So to me, this isn't really a new issue, although you can easily come to different resolutions on it. But you know, the core questions are, you know, is it fair use to train AI using existing

Starting point is 01:56:38 images or video? And then what do we do about the outputs? And so, there are actually strong principles for both of those things, but that doesn't mean people won't change the law to deal with it. But it is slightly different when you're influenced by something, isn't it, I suppose, to actually using generative AI to take thousands and thousands and thousands of things and come out with some. Oh, this is very interesting. I just realized that we're using different words for different concepts and you said

Starting point is 01:57:14 no, but training AI, training is a nice word, but it's not training, it's copying. It is making a copy of pixels down to the pixel level, whatever it's copying it is making a copy of Pixels down to the pixel level whatever it does it is copying that and then Pasting it back into a new project based upon whatever you've asked it to do. It is copy training is not is Training is copying in this case. They're just calling it someone else. You disagree? I'm not going to say one way or the other. Because I don't agree or disagree necessarily. It does involve some copying but then... Well, now you make me want to play another one of the clips. Yeah, I'm good.

Starting point is 01:58:03 Play the next clip. So it really depends. In fact, that's pretty much how human brains learn, right? When you were learning to read and write, you spent a lot of time copying stuff and even more time studying stuff. And in fact, that's in your brain. And people are making progress every day on actually detecting things straight from the brain.

Starting point is 01:58:27 There was an experiment that reconstructed a Pink Floyd song just by looking at what people's brains were doing when they were listening to it. So it's not perfect, but the point being that the computer just makes visible how learning worked for people. That is really interesting. Stay with us. Let me bring Mike in on this particular issue. I mean, AI is pushing the boundaries in many different areas. Copyright is one. Do you see other challenges coming up as well, Mike, away from this one. Oh yeah. Ownership rights, even patents. There's a lot of areas of intellectual capital there and we're going to have to really set down some rules.

Starting point is 01:59:15 I mean, yeah, you did learn how to read and write that way, but you didn't make any money doing it. Mid Journey has millions of subscribers and it made 300 million dollars last year. Now do they have the right to all that? That's the real question and usually when anybody makes money if you have some connection to it you may have right to take some of that money. Okay, but I'm'm not completely buying into that Buying into what the idea that well, yeah, the brain works the same way, but you weren't making money

Starting point is 01:59:52 What if you're a little prodigy and you're playing the Mozart, you know, you're a six-year-old. I can play the piano like a maniac Yeah, then you paid a fortune to go play Mozart. No, hold on. Hold on if you play something, there's a version of copyright, which is performing rights royalties that have to be paid. Yeah, and they're paid. Yeah, exactly. So this is not a foreign concept. I mean, I'm-

Starting point is 02:00:21 Well, these guys, they've licensed a lot of stuff. Some people do get paid. I mean, I'm not going to take just've licensed a lot of stuff. Some people do get paid I mean I'm not gonna be a take just the devil's advocate side on this whole thing because it's I think it's still up in the air and the more interesting Clip is the last clip but I think clip four is still sitting in between this and that Tell us tell us a little bit more about mid-journey because it's a company There's some people will know about a lot of other people won't know much. What sort of things does it do? If you were asked Disney or Universal, they say

Starting point is 02:00:48 that they're plagiarists, they're copyright free writers. That was I think the statement made by one of the movie studios. They basically create new content, new AI content and it's quite vivid and quite interesting and that's why it's drawn all these people. They're real curious and they're being entertained by it. That raises the question, do they have the right to take characters from Cars and Toy Story and Shrek and the Avengers and the minions from Despicable Me? Those are iconic characters. Can they really take them,

Starting point is 02:01:25 pump them into their servers and create something new based on that? And you can make a good argument that what's being created isn't sufficiently different, that they can claim that they own it. Yeah, well let us see how the chords come up. And Kathy, we're seeing, you there's Elton John was talking about this whole problem, the very famous musician from England. Are you seeing a similar discussion around, you know, huge entertainment industries aren't there, like South Korea, China, India? Do you think this is an emerging issue for Asia as well?

Starting point is 02:01:59 Yeah, I think definitely, especially, you know, you mentioned Korea and I can't help but think of, for example, K-pop groups and how their likeness might be used in these kind of AI prompts. There's also kind of the deeper question beyond just copyright, but what about kind of ownership of your own image? Well, so I do have some outspoken thoughts on this, but I'll wait until the final clip goes. But in general, the data that most of these large language models, because that's what it is, have been trained on is from content that people have already signed their rights away to on the internet. So the best example is Reddit who are now doing gangbusters in revenue because they're

Starting point is 02:02:52 selling all of their users writing into multiple AI companies. Anything you put on X is Grox property. So that's really been the boondoggle, but it is definitely just copying and pasting whenever it recognizes a pattern that is asked for it and it just sends it right back. So, I mean, the Hollywood guys, they probably have a little bit, but it's all third gen from stuff that was put out there on the internet. So it's going to be tough to prove that.

Starting point is 02:03:29 Well, the thing that's interesting is this last clip, and I took about another 10 minutes out, I got sick of this. And so I got near the end here with this last comment where the woman notices there's actually three kind of dimensions to this suit, which involves the input, the rights to the input, output, whether it is plagiarism or it's something, you know, it can't really be original, but it looks to be. And then the other kicker, which is the one that is really to me interesting is the prompt itself. Hmm.

Starting point is 02:04:10 And which means that the way the lawsuit is going to where she sees it is that the people writing the prompt, Darren, they're the ones violating the copyright. They can be violating the copyright. Wow! This is great! Put it on the dumb user! The thing that I would keep an eye on is there's the training part and then there's the output

Starting point is 02:04:34 part and I just do want to emphasize that Disney's theory here is that somebody who says, you know, I want a minion icon for my blue sky account to chat GP or one of these engines is infringing copyright and they want to hold the company responsible for that, even though it's the user prompting it. But the theory requires that the user is also an infringer. And I think we should worry about that. Oh, that's perfect. That's a well, yes, I feel and I'm in agreement with this. If you say to any large language model AI thing, I want a minion for my blog and you

Starting point is 02:05:23 put a minion up there. Yeah, you're violating copyright. That's why we don't choose art that has those types of images in it because we're not going to put it up there. We know these companies are very litigious and we would in fact be violating some of their nascent rights to their copyright. We're very careful about not putting like Mickey Mouse image for example. Or even people's likenesses. Which should be public domain, I might add. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not going to argue.

Starting point is 02:05:51 That is interesting. And I just want to say that I've been the naysayer on artificial intelligence and Andrew Horowitz sent me Sam Altman's latest blog post, which is basically, did he send it to you too? No. blog post, which is basic. And did he send it to you too? No, it's basic. It's like 8,000 words and it's all the future. It's going to be great. And don't worry about it.

Starting point is 02:06:11 I write it. Of course he had AI write it. Of course he did. Then it was just like, oh, this is awesome. It's and the world's going to change in so many ways. Like whatever. Um, I have worked for probably close to six hours a day for the past three months on a software project using multiple versions of AI, then I can

Starting point is 02:06:34 inequitably say there is no intelligence in this and the intelligence, there's a lot of definitions of intelligence, but I think a general term, a general definition is intelligence is the ability to learn from experience and adapt to and shape and select environments. And the reason why I can, and actually your own experience, if you go to Anthropic, which I think you use and you ask it something, because you treat it like an entity, you ask it, but you ask it a different way,

Starting point is 02:07:10 and it gives you a different answer. That's because there's no intelligence to interpret what you're actually asking for, what you want. It is just looking at the pattern of the words you use, and it's looking across its vast array of information It's sucked up and saying ah when this pattern emerges. I need to bring this pattern back and They do that in a human way by saying here's what I think you wanted or here's your and they'll talk to you like you're a human Being that's the parlor trick, but when it comes so that's just

Starting point is 02:07:42 English language when it comes to syntax as as in computer code, in this case Python, if I did not prompt this, any AI, every single time to say, okay, when you make this change in my code, do not change the user agent from Godcaster to Mozilla or pyurllib it would it would do that by itself and the reason why it would do that is be even though I've said it the same conversation so-called workspace where it's supposed to remember what I said it doesn't because it just says oh you want this piece of code you want to do this I know where that code is and here's that code and it's not intelligent enough to stop doing what I asked it to not do a thousand times.

Starting point is 02:08:29 And of course, the minute I start typing into the prompt in all caps, you stupid piece of crap, that's when I had to step away and say, okay, now I see what's happening. And that, so all of that is fine. And if people want to spend trillions of dollars investing in that, great. That's fantastic. I don't think it's a great, it's like a, like a thesaurus, grammar, spell check, copy paste machine on steroids. It definitely has a place as a tool.

Starting point is 02:08:56 It's not intelligence. The only- I find it fascinating that the big griper complainer, moaner and groaner about AIU use it more than I do. No, I did this specifically and I stayed at it because I wanted to be able to speak intelligently about what this is and what it isn't. And I finished my project. I finished it last Saturday.

Starting point is 02:09:20 And I could have done this with a software engineer who knows what he's doing in one day. It took me three months, a lot of pain, but I learned exactly what AI is and what it isn't. And there's no intelligence. The danger, the only danger is this artificial intimacy. That's the AI that we have to watch out for. And we talked about that on the last show where people are, you know, going to chat bots and just like the 900 numbers. And in fact,

Starting point is 02:09:51 this is from the tech show in London here. She talks, flirts, and even gets jealous like a real girlfriend. Remember, you're my one and only, okay? Don't even think about chatting up other AIs. But Mio isn't human. She's an AI-powered virtual companion available 24-7 through the My Mio app. Users can chat with her anytime, choose her clothes and even adjust her personality. Her creators from the Chinese company MetaLoop say Mio can help tackle the loneliness epidemic. When the people feel lonely or people maybe didn't get connected to the society or didn't have the girlfriends or sometimes depressed, so maybe they need someone to move her moves or then maybe will be come to the apps and talk to her. The company says Mio provides emotional support,

Starting point is 02:10:46 but reactions at London Tech Week were mixed. When I looked at her and I thought, stereotypical men's fantasy, are we looking at women being obsolete? Others are concerned about the psychological and ethical impact of an AI companion. You have to configure them in a way that really attends to all of your needs. You don't even know what it is that you need. Humans, unfortunately, especially insecure humans, are sometimes not to be really trusted with her. AI companions like Mio are particularly popular in East Asia, where Microsoft's Sure-Ice leads the market with hundreds of millions of users.

Starting point is 02:11:33 So in a year, it's young men who are lonely all because of their phones. All would have been solved by forced socialization in grammar school and sock hops in high school. I am completely with you. It's not too late to bring them back. We can do a world tour, Adam Curry and John C. DeVorek's sock hop. We can go out there. We'll play stairway to heaven to all these kids.

Starting point is 02:11:56 And God only knows by the Beach Boys, it's going to be fantastic. Now, I am genuinely concerned about this intimacy and this loneliness and people are going to they're already flocking to these things. I mean, the... Well, I think you're parallel with the 900 number is apt. Yeah. Psychics, you know, Dionne Warwick, remember she had the psychic hotline.

Starting point is 02:12:20 This is for lonely people and we have only made more lonely people in the world who at this point are all clicking and very frustrated because at this moment both Cloudflare and Google Cloud are down all over the world. The entire service is down. I hope people are still listening to the show. Well, we don't use that kind of stuff. No, it's true. We have our own, this by the way is why we have donations, because we have our own independent

Starting point is 02:12:52 server network that is run by our guy, Void Zero. Our guy, that's right. Who's our guy. He's our guy. He's a guy who's really good. He's one guy, he's doing a pretty good job, that one guy. And we have servers that are located outside the United States. And they're not on Google Cloud. They're not on the clouds. No, but Cloudflare. That's

Starting point is 02:13:14 gonna... That's pretty bad when Cloudflare gets taken out. A lot of podcasts are on Cloudflare. A lot of them. And they're blaming it on a third-party service that is key and it and is a key dependency. This is one of our micro services problem. Not so it's a micro services problem with a macro services results everybody. And with that I want to thank you for your courage saying the morning to you the man who put the C in don't copy that floppy say hello to my friend on the other end the one the only Mr. John C. DeVore. friend on the other end the one the only mr.

Starting point is 02:14:06 1946 that's up that's up for so all it's up because of the riots no it's up. That's up for some. Oh, it's up because of the riots. No, it's up because of the the breastfeeding All the women Those two boomers have to say bring a few boobers those two boobers what they have to say Yes, indeed. We are here and the trolls are joining us By the way, I have a clip blitz for the second depth after the break. Holy crap. Let me get my jingles. I just thought I'd give you a warning. Fair warning. Yeah. Okay. All right. Okay. I'll be ready for you for the clip blitz. All right. Yes. The trolls are in the troll room at trollroom.io. Again, not a cloud flare or Google cloud hosted service because we know how the

Starting point is 02:14:44 internet works. We didn't get PsyOpt into using all of that big Silicon Valley tech. Oh no, we have big Northern Holland tech from VoidZero. Yeah, dependable. He was actually troubleshooting email with them this morning. But I love that guy. He's like, hey man, everything's slow. No problem. We'll troubleshoot it right now.

Starting point is 02:15:01 I'm prepping for the show. Yeah, but we'll troubleshoot it right now. Okay, good. They are listening at trollroom.io. They might also, and you should be using a modern podcast app. Now I can't say that people who have podcasts hosted through Cloudflare, that they will get the podcast, but your podcast app will work for sure.

Starting point is 02:15:23 Get one of those. We notify you the minute we go live. All the live shows, it's the new trend in podcasting, people doing it live because we're all sick and tired. We're sick and tired of all the overproduced wall of sound crap with all the ums and ahs taken out. No, you want to hear real voices. Now, we happen to be professional voices, but it doesn't matter.

Starting point is 02:15:44 We just want to hear real voices. And when they go live, it's real. You get a hear real voices. Now we happen to be professional voices, but it doesn't matter. We just want to hear real voices. And when they go live, it's real. You get a notification for that. And when we publish and the guys at Apple are listening, they do hear me. They didn't say they would. How do you know this? Because one of my buddies over there emailed me that I put the wrong size image into the podcast feed.

Starting point is 02:16:05 So if you don't have a 1400 by 1400 image... And you've been doing this for so long. Yeah, there's reasons for that happening. It's user error, my fault, but he's actually a listener. He's been a Noagenda guy for a long, long time. So he'll see it come through. And if you put the wrong size image in, then they won't display it in their podcast app. Then you know what he does?

Starting point is 02:16:34 He lets it go through because he's my boy. So I know that they're hearing it. And I know that the people who work within the podcast division are good people. I just don't think they have the power. They're sitting there looking like, oh my God, we got another update from Tim Apple. Liquid Glass is gorgeous. Look at the new icon for the podcast app. It's gorgeous. They're like, can we get pod ping in here already? So I feel your pain, everybody. Yes, whenever we publish within 90 seconds, boom, you get notified and your podcast is there,

Starting point is 02:17:08 as long as it's not hosted on Cloudflare. But of course, podcasting was never meant to be decentralized, it's decentralized by nature. So we expect a lot more people checking in with us because like, I can't get my, I can't get Megyn Kelly, Tucker won't work, oh, I have to go to these two boobs. Who are these boomers? Noah Jinnah.

Starting point is 02:17:27 Oh, that's actually a pretty good show. That's interesting. So we shall see if attendance goes up and if downloads go up, not that we look at them. As John mentioned, this is Value for Value is how we run the show. That's actually Void Zero started that a long time ago with IRC chat room now known as the troll room.

Starting point is 02:17:49 But many people do things for us, just, I mean, things that are invaluable really. I mean, even building, maintaining website, you know what it costs if you want a website built these days? I mean, even just a WordPress blog, you know, but it kind of looks like a website. You're looking at five grand for someone

Starting point is 02:18:05 to put that together. And another like $350 a month, just to host it and maintain it. So these are very valuable services that people do for us. Now we have three types of value we'd like you to send back for the value we put out there for free, for everybody to use, however you want, you listen to it,

Starting point is 02:18:24 you download it it you download it You stick it on a USB stick you give it to your kids you put it in the in the lock box Whatever you do and you can do that with time talent or treasure We're gonna thank people fifty dollars and above and we'll tell you exactly how they blessed us with their value donation But first we want to thank another very important group of people who send us time and talents. That is our No Agenda artists, who are pretty much guaranteed to all go to jail for prompting for their illegal prompts. There'll be a book about it. You're going to write it?

Starting point is 02:19:01 Illegal prompts. I'm starting now. That's a good one. That's a true crime right there. True crime it? Illegal prompts. No, that's a good one. That's a true crime right there. True crime thriller. Illegal prompts. Episode 1771 was titled Home Depotation. See what we did there?

Starting point is 02:19:16 And the art came from Blue Acorn, who brought us the LA riots with a clapboard, a slate that said influencer event scene 33. We thought that was kind of cool. We appreciated Blue Acorn doing that for us. So we use that as the album art. Let's take a look at some others. It's not even on the page anymore. We got so much art that came in. Wow.

Starting point is 02:19:41 What happened? Oh, is it all Darren and Digital 2112, man? Yeah, it is. They just went crazy with the prompts. You know what it is? This is, they've trained AI to do AI imagery. I think the prompt is, AI is prompting AI. It could be. Yeah, something like that. I mean... Then what are you going to do? Then what are you going to do with your lawsuit? Hey, I got nothing to do with it. For sure. It's degraded the quality of the art,

Starting point is 02:20:08 both in luminance. There's a couple of good pieces coming up. Well, let's see. This is on page two. Oh my goodness, it's already on page two. So Darren actually did the No Agenda in the Home Depot logo, which I think is where we got Home Depotation from, which was right next to the influencerluencer event by Blue Acorn.

Starting point is 02:20:27 Blue Acorn doesn't necessarily use AI. I think he's a hybrid artist. Half and half. Yeah. I don't, for one thing, that Influencer event, scene 33, there's no way AI wrote that on there. No, no, no. And so, so I also post these on X and I'm a mastodon. And I got some troll who showed up. What, you still have a mastodon? I thought you don't use mastodon.

Starting point is 02:20:52 Yeah, but I have my own. Oh, that's right. You have your little instance. And we have podcastindex.social. So, you know, I don't look at any of the other stuff, but I got some troll, picked up a troll. Oh, by the way, he's actually a guy who I think likes the show. Um, and let me see if I can find it.

Starting point is 02:21:12 Because he saw this image says you want to backtrack on it. Not being a big deal. The riots in Los Angeles. I know. Right. I was like, what, what is your problem? He hasn't listened to this show much. No, I looked at his timeline. He has tons of retweets and...

Starting point is 02:21:34 Let me see if I can find it. Wait, under... Because he was going off on me. Oh, how was your USAID trip to Moscow? Coincidence that your uncle was a top CIA guy? I can't trust you anymore. Like, uh, really? Let me see. Where was it? Um, where was he? No, I don't think I can find him. I don't trust you anymore. That was how many decades ago? Yeah, no, here he is. Here it is.

Starting point is 02:22:09 Oh, here it is. Here it is. Okay. I found it. We got boots on the ground from someone who works at Palantir, LOL. And just so everybody knows, these are good guys. WTF, Adam, the show has gone from absolutely can't miss the borderline, unlistable.

Starting point is 02:22:25 Neither of you are stupid, so it's got to be something else. So I reply, pro tip, you forgot to say we're Zionist chills. Bro, bro, if your response to criticism is that I'm a troll, very disappointing. We've engaged on here many times. If your response to Palantir having a direct line into the White House is no biggie, then the show is a lost cause. Imagine quitting weed and becoming more retarded. I mean,

Starting point is 02:23:03 and then so back and forth. That's a good one. There's one last one. You listen to someone for three to eight hours a week over many years it's easy to detect a disturbance in the force. I get that you got QAnon'd but you've been taking it out on your producers for two years and the show has turned into a Jesus boomer slop. I don't trust you. He made it clear he doesn't trust you. Yes, I think he doesn't trust me. I think there's

Starting point is 02:23:35 a lack of trust with this particular individual. There's a lack of trust. And I'm very sorry. But there was no specifics. No, well, no, but that, you know, I went to... I mean, has he caught you saying something that's completely inaccurate and you're lying like they do on the mainstream news? He said that I had said, we got a boots on the ground from someone, a palantir, and then he misquotes me by saying, it's no biggie, everything's okay.

Starting point is 02:24:03 I'm like, no, I didn't say that. I said, it's no biggie, everything's okay. I'm like, no, I didn't say that. I said, it's bull crap. This whole Whitney Webb palantir is going to take over. Oh, he's a Whitney Webb guy. Of course, a Whitney Webb is cute. It's probably Whitney Webb. It's a Whitney Webb's alt account. All right. Anyway, onward.

Starting point is 02:24:24 Thank you very much, Blue Acorn. We appreciate you and all of the No Agenda artists. And wow, I also appreciate that little Twitter diatribe. It's always fun to do The Voice again. Now let us thank the executive and associate. You do The Voice every show. Not always. Let's thank our executive and associate executive producers for episode 1772.

Starting point is 02:24:43 1772. 1772. Yes. 1772. 1772. Now, we thank everybody $50 and above and we tell you how much they supported us with. In this particular segment, we take a little page from the show business playbook and we give people titles as an extra incentive if they're so inclined. You don't have to support us with 200 or $300. None of that's necessary. We just be

Starting point is 02:25:10 happy if everybody just did a couple bucks a show, that would be great, but no one does that. It's less than two percent. Is it two percent or is it not even two percent? It's only one percent. One% support us financially and that's how people want to support us. And thanks to them, and that includes everyone down at the bottom. What's the bottom number here? I think the whole spreadsheet. We still have people giving us $2, $2.2, $3.33. Love them. A lot of $4.

Starting point is 02:25:44 Yeah, that's the $4 weekly donation. Oh, the $4 weekly donation. Yes. Okay. Well, we appreciate all of it. So the deal is if you support us with $200 or above, we read your note. First of all, we can't read everybody's note, but we'll read your note and you get the associate executive producer credit, which is good for the rest of your life. You can use it anywhere. Hollywood show business credits are recognized including IMDB $300 and above you get an executive producer credit same rules

Starting point is 02:26:12 apply we read your note and we kick it off with Al Kelkoff which sounds very Dutch who is in Aurora Illinois and he comes in with $1052.62 and he kicks it off by saying grace, mercy and peace from our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and from me Al Kelkoff and this donation is a switcheroo for my smoking hot wife Barbara Kelkoff in recognition of her birthday on Friday June 13th so I'm gonna make that switcheroo change right away.

Starting point is 02:26:47 Barb and I have been married almost 39 years and we never had a fight. She is the kindest, most giving person I know. She volunteers with numerous organizations but always has times for her friends and her husband. She has turned our new house into a home and I couldn't be more blessed than to have her as a wife. We started listening to No Agenda back before COVID after I was looking for a podcast and googled what is the best podcast. It worked.

Starting point is 02:27:19 It did work and No Agenda was at the top of the list. From that day we were hooked. Please, would you D-douche Barbara? De-douche, de-douche, de-douche, de-douche. You've been de-douched. And he also says, because it's her birthday, would you give her a biscuit for her birthday? Well, of course.

Starting point is 02:27:37 They always give me a biscuit on my birthday. Keep up the great work and feel free to end podcasting once all things domestically and internationally. Leave nothing left to deconstruct. I'll have her contact you with her official Dame name. Good. We look forward to that. Al Kalkhoff. So it's a surprise. Happy birthday, Barbara. Sounds like you got a good man there. Thank you very much, Al, for the support of the show. Onward with Richard Hollow. He's in... Onward with Richard Hollow. He's in... Hello.

Starting point is 02:28:06 He's in Deutschland. In the town of Schler... What? Schlersee, I guess. I think it was Schliersee. Schliersee. Dear Adam, dear John, Job's Karma for All. He came in with a thousand dollars.

Starting point is 02:28:22 Boom, Shaka-Laka. Health Karma for all. Love my wife, love my children and my dog. Best wis- wis-wishes. Best wis-wishes. Richard retired headmaster in Schliersee. Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs. Yes! You got karma. All right.

Starting point is 02:28:48 Rishard. Rishard, Rishard. Danke. Eric Kessler, Kansas City, Missouri. 333.33, we love those threes. Thank you for providing the best podcast in the universe. I continue to learn how to spot slanted news stories and your deconstruction of the media is worth every penny. Shout out to all the boots on the ground too. You got it man.

Starting point is 02:29:11 Thank you. Now we have anonymous. Parts unknown 33333. I hope this email finds you well. this email finds you well. Well, Adam might have a general disdain for actual Indians. Wait a minute. I do not have a disdain for actual Indians? Well, maybe he's talking about AI and that's code. Oh, okay. I don't know. Good point. Good point. C-slander. Duck-duck goes, AI summar it as polite, but comes across as overused or insincere. And that's why people prefer to use more engaging alternatives. Hopefully, that's the first and last time I will ever use that opener, which is, I hope this email finds you well. This is a very spooky note from an anonymous source.

Starting point is 02:30:05 Speaking of AI, maybe young males are lonely and using AI chat box to interact with, because as John has alluded to, they can interact with women properly. Why? Got every trope in here that you can think of. Because they literally, they like, what? Why? Because they likely unfunny slur using degenerates or just the water. Now, did I read that wrong? But it takes it, but that information with a grain of salt, since that information did come from a tic-tac. Regarding the... this is code for somebody's...

Starting point is 02:30:50 Yeah, something's going on. Yeah. Regarding the wildfire smoke, do we have a short-term memory of something M5M? When was the last time Western Canada wasn't on fire during the summer? Yeah, thank you. Good point. Jingles, TTP jobs karma, what's that in your mouth? Canada wasn't on fire during the summer. Yeah, thank you. Good point. Jengles, TTP jobs karma. What's in, what's that in your mouth? Don't look over here.

Starting point is 02:31:10 Thank you for your courage. Don't look over here. Nothing to see here. Look at that. What's that in your mouth? Jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs job job job job joe joe you've got karma all right nice sequence and drew mccardle is in lafayette louisiana 333 and wants some baby making karma with a goat item boys drew mccardle from baton rouge here i've been on the 2019 20.19 night layaway program since december of 2019 and i finally crossed the threshold to knighthood.

Starting point is 02:31:46 I wonder if more people will be coming. People who started that on the 20th of December 2019, check your amounts of people. You may be a knight or a dame. I'm donating this $3.33 to establish my knight name as Sir Drudel on a Noodle, protector of the red stick and Laffy Taffy. Also, I'd like to call out my brother Ben McArdle, my father Frank McArdle, and my best friend Caleb Michelson as douchebags. Thank you for your curds, love you both, and I mean it. You've got Karma. Alright baby making karma. Good luck.

Starting point is 02:32:33 Anonymous in Alicante, España. 200 and... No. The prompt was on it right in the middle of it the big plus size 303 donation Yes, and he's anonymous from Spain, but that's it's reading didn't really send it. No, let's give him a double up karma. Okay You've got Karma We moved to our first associate executive producer with $240, Lynn Craig from Colorado Springs, Colorado.

Starting point is 02:33:05 No notes, so Lynn also gets a double up karma. You've got. Uh! Double up! Uh! Uh! Karma. Now we have the Commodore dude named Ben in San Francisco. 22222, that's a row of ducks. Commodore dude named Ben, Duke of the San Francisco,

Starting point is 02:33:21 reminds the Bay Area Navy to, up at the Dogpatch Saloon this Saturday at 333. Let's escape the control grid. To beat some nice protests going on too. And he has hashtag Hot Pockets hashtag Pina Colada escape. Hot Pockets. If you're white, you're a racist. That's what he wanted. If you're male, you're a pig.

Starting point is 02:33:53 If you're cis, you are privileged. I forgot this one. Skin is shaving if you're big. That's good. And if you're straight, you're homophobic. Have an issue with your skin. Thank you very much, Commodore dude name Ben. We move on to Sean Homan from Noblesville, Indiana to 1911. Ah, that's the code right there. Book of Jonah. He says his love endures forever. Peace and blessings, Adam and John.

Starting point is 02:34:34 Thank you, brother. Frank Maloney in Sister Bay, Wisconsin. He wants a D-douching. Sister Bay, Wisconsin. He wants a D-douching. You've been D-douched. Came in with $210.60. Frank Maloney and his big country unit, Sister Bay. His big country unit. He's got his old scramble here, so I'm not sure what he's referring to when he says his

Starting point is 02:35:01 big country unit. Sounds like a band it could be sister Bay Wisconsin available whenever you wherever you stream music so it's a okay Frank Maloney is big country unit sister Bay Wisconsin there you go check it out Frank Maloney check it out let's will be country and we will do I do some jingles for us Frank. Eli the coffee guy is back with 20612. He says John Last Thursday show you asked if our Ethiopian Guiji organic is pea berry coffee. It is not Pea berry has nothing to do with the size of the bean. Although pea berry beans are generally smaller You can tell the pea berry from its roundness as opposed as opposed to its size

Starting point is 02:35:45 smaller you can tell the pea berry from its roundness as opposed to its size. The pea berry is actually a mutation in about 5% of coffee beans where the bean develops one cherry instead of the regular two cherries which makes for a more intense flavor profile in a denser bean. Jingles the more you know. All this pea berry talk makes us want to bring back our Papua New Guinea Peaberry. So for a limited time only visit gigawattcofferoasters.com and use code ITM20 for 20% off your order and grab a bag today. Stay caffeinated says Eli the coffee guy and Eli actually got a free plug on DH unplugged which is not true

Starting point is 02:36:25 because it's very pluggy that unplugged you plugged him yes I did I mentioned him and now that he's got the pea berry I expect a bag that's right after Andrew Horowitz said that as a Jew he doesn't like people harping on China I was on the floor it was pretty wild I was on the floor. It was pretty wild. I was on the floor over that. But he also mentioned he's gotten to the point where he can't drink coffee. He gives him, you know, GERD or something. I don't know. GERD? GERD. That doesn't sound good. Frank Castaneda in Austin, Texas.

Starting point is 02:37:03 That's Sergeant Fred's Sergeant Fred. Sergeant Fred. I said Frank. Yeah, that's Fred. Sergeant Fred. Did he not send in a note? He always sends in a note. No, this was a check. This is a bank check. That's Wes Gray. Sergeant Fred, he is a Vietnam War veteran. Let me just make sure I didn't get an email from him. Castanada. Yeah, he may have sent you a note. I'm looking for it, but I don't see anything.

Starting point is 02:37:30 Maybe he just wants to double up Karma. Well, he's getting a double up Karma. We love you, Sergeant Fred. Good to hear from you. Karma. Very happy to hear from him. I'm glad he's okay. He had some Agent Orange issues. Oh, yeah, those poor guys.

Starting point is 02:37:45 Yeah, he's a good man, a veteran, and a real American. And rounding it out with $200 is Linda Lu Patkin from Lakewood, Colorado, and Linda asks for jobs karma and says for a competitive edge with a resume that gets results, go to Image Makers Inc for all of your executive resume and job search needs. That's Image Makers Inc with a K.com com and work with Linda Lu, Duchess of Jobs and writer of resumes.

Starting point is 02:38:10 On a personal note, I recently moved to a town more befitting my stature at the roundtable, Castle Rock, Colorado. As a result, I would love some house selling karma for my Lakewood home. Well, let me get you some jobs karma first. Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs. You've got karma. And now some house selling karma for you.

Starting point is 02:38:35 You've got karma. There you go. Boom. Beautiful. That takes care of show 1772 as we approach 1776. Ah, that's going to be a banger of a show, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you to these executive and associate executive producers for 1772. Remember, you can support us in any amount you want, anytime. You don't have to jump through hoops, go to Patreon or sign up for stuff.

Starting point is 02:39:02 There's no tote bags. We do have producerships for you. We've got sign up for stuff. There's no tote bags. We do have Producerships for you got all kinds of stuff and if you donate long enough you reach a thousand dollars over 20 years. That's fine You become a nitro Dame of the roundtable for more information go to know agenda donations calm Thank you again for supporting us our execs and associate executive producers. Our formula is this We go out we hit people in the mouth. We do have a deal with China though. I don't know if he... And supposedly. Well, here's the...

Starting point is 02:39:47 I have the latest here. Hold on a second. This is the latest. We got a deal. After two days of negotiations between the US and Chinese trade representatives, President Trump declared in a social media post Wednesday that a trade deal with China is done, while acknowledging both he and Chinese President Xi Jinping still have to approve a final agreement. He spoke to his trade team who did a fantastic job negotiating this on behalf

Starting point is 02:40:13 of the United States in meeting with their Chinese counterparts. The president is talking to them about the details of it now but what the president heard he liked. The president said the US will keep a 55% tariff on Chinese imports while China will keep a 10% tariff on Chinese imports, while China will keep a 10 percent tariff on American goods. Trump also said Beijing will supply the U.S. with magnets and rare earth minerals, which are vital to a number of industries. This is an American agreement.

Starting point is 02:40:37 If you're an American company and you need magnets, they are going to approve it right away, which is what we needed. Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick told CNBC China agreed to do more business with the US, including buying more US agriculture and equipment. That's quite the deal if that's true. Man, 55% tariffs and we get all the magnets we can stick together? All the magnets our kids can swallow? That's dynamite. The kind of magnets you don't want your kid to swallow.

Starting point is 02:41:08 No, no, I'm sure. Okay. Well, and China seems to be happy with it? Well, I think that part of that deal, which they don't talk about since they when they break down the tariffs, 25% of that 50 is for the fentanyl. Yeah. And there's another part that which could do, in other words, down the road somewhere if China can, you know, just put the stop to a couple of things, they'll just pull a rug out from under a lot of those tariffs, it'll be back down to about 20% maybe.

Starting point is 02:41:36 Oh, I see. Okay. There's something fishy about that number. Yeah, well, as long as everyone's happy, which we can't say- Well, it's like, you know, it reminds me of the thing you brought up earlier, the 5%, 3.5%. You know, it looks like one thing, but it's another. It's what you do. It's the art of the deal, baby. We can't say the same for Iran, although who knows.

Starting point is 02:41:55 A developing story now oversees the US government is evacuating some diplomats and military families from the Middle East because of rising tensions with Iran. By the way, I'm not so sure the term evacuating is correct because from what I read it was voluntary for the for the dependents to come home, so spouses, children, etc. but sounds a little scarier when you say they're being evacuated. And threats of an attack on US bases. ABC's Perry Rusev has details. Perry, good morning. Good morning.

Starting point is 02:42:27 Rihanna, good morning to you. The threat posed by Iran is prompting the U.S. to prepare a partial evacuation of the embassy in neighboring Iraq. Officials say the evacuation of U.S. diplomats in Baghdad will begin via commercial flights with the military on standby if needed. There's also a voluntary evacuation of military family members at bases in the region, including those in Bahrain and Kuwait. President Trump speaking last night about the growing security concerns.

Starting point is 02:42:48 They are being moved out because it could be a dangerous place and we'll see what happens, but they are and we've given notice to move out. And this comes after Iran earlier this week threatened to target all U.S. bases in the region if negotiations over its nuclear weapons program fail to reach a deal. Those talks between the U.S. and Iran resume on Sunday in Oman. So I didn't like this report because they make it sound like Iran is, we're going to bomb your bases. It's a little more.

Starting point is 02:43:18 Yeah, I have a BBC version of the same report you might want to play. Yeah, and then I want to play the France 24. Let me see, Iran, here we go. The United States is preparing to move some staff and their families from its embassy in Iraq. Okay, that's a little more nuanced. As well as from military bases in Kuwait and Bahrain. Officials say the partial evacuations down to what they describe as heightened security risks in the region. Our State Department correspondent Tom Bateman reports from Washington. The move comes after weeks of talks between the US and Iran. President Trump has hoped to strike a deal to stop Tehran developing a nuclear weapon.

Starting point is 02:43:57 But he said today he was growing less confident it would stop enriching uranium. Earlier this week he also held a 40-minute phone call said to be tense with Israel's prime minister who has long argued for a military rather than diplomatic approach. Iran's defense minister said today the country would target US military bases in the region if a conflict was imposed upon it. All right let's listen to the France 24 version. Amid a feared deadlock in nuclear talks, tensions between the US and Iran have flared up again. After a week-long war of words, Donald Trump confirmed that US diplomats were being removed from the region. Well, they are being moved out because it could be a dangerous place and we'll see what happens.

Starting point is 02:44:42 But they are been, we've given notice to move out and we'll see what happens. But they are been, we've given notice to move out and we'll see what happens. American and Iranian negotiators have been planning to meet later this week for another round of talks. But Trump told reporters on Monday that Iran had adopted an unacceptable negotiating position in particular on enrichment. A US-backed plan suggested that Iran

Starting point is 02:45:04 could only enrich uranium at low levels, effectively blocking Iran's ability to enrich the fuel to produce a nuclear weapon. Well they're just asking for things that you can't do. They don't want to give up what they have to give up, you know what that is. They seek enrichment. We can't have enrichment. They have given us their thoughts on the deal and I said, you know, it's just not acceptable. Many are concerned about the risk of a potential regional conflagration between Iran and Israel

Starting point is 02:45:37 should diplomacy fail. Israeli officials have repeatedly threatened to attack Iran if it does not effectively surrender its nuclear program. On Wednesday, the Iranian defence minister issued a warning in the event that the talks broke down. God willing, the talks will bring results. But if they don't and conflict is imposed to us, the enemy's losses will be greater than ours. In that case, America will have to leave the region because all its bases are within our reach and without hesitation we will target all of them in the host countries. Analysts say that Iran is now on the brink of being able to manufacture enough nuclear

Starting point is 02:46:16 material to fuel a nuclear weapon. They're the only ones who got it right. No one else tagged the story with their just a week away. Yeah, just a week away. You can't leave that. We also got, I had to, we both got a boots on the ground report from one of our military guys who's talking about how they're moving equipment around. I have it here. You want me to read it? No, I think it's, I don't want you to read it. Okay, I won't read it. The, but the point is, is that all this, including that note, all seemed to be, and what's happening, it doesn't seem to be secret. No, this is all posturing to scare the crap out of the Iranians.

Starting point is 02:46:58 They take, listen, we're moving all our people out of the, all of these going to attack the bases, there's going to be anybody there. They're going to be gone. We're, it's looking like they're leaving them sitting there, Iran, as sitting ducks. Wait a minute. Is Israel controlling us again, John? Well, I think we're controlling us. Hello, hello.

Starting point is 02:47:16 Of course. If Israel was controlling us, they'd have bombed them already. Of course. They would have bombed them by now. But the point is, is that this is all part of the negotiating process that Trump uses. Yeah. And it's like, yeah, well, you know, what's going to happen? Yeah.

Starting point is 02:47:34 And everything seems to be a, I wouldn't call it a bluff because I think they could bomb them. Yeah. But it's definitely messages are going out. You're going to get bombed if you don't do the deal and we're going to be out of here. We're moving our bases. We're taking the people home. You know, yeah, go ahead. Bomb the empty base. Big deal. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:48:00 Yeah. If I was a run, I just do the deal. I don't understand what the problem is. For some reason though, the, I'm looking at the quad, like people are still mad about Los Angeles. They're not worried about Iran at all. I don't understand. They're not taking the bait. They're not doing it. I see the Ruthless podcast has joined the Will Cain show. Wow, that's riveting.

Starting point is 02:48:30 the Will Cain show. Wow, that's riveting. I did pick up a nice, a little, just a short clip from the president on an Air Force One gaggle, a gaggle, where now and actually the DH Unplugged podcast every single Tuesday goes live in the evening. You pick it up on Wednesday. It's a great podcast about things in the markets and, and John and Andrew waffling about China. It's good, it's a good show. I listen to it. I listen to it all the time. Talking about the trial balloons being led up, let into the air about a future

Starting point is 02:49:01 or the next, or maybe near future chairman of the Federal Reserve. I don't think you guys got this clip in time for the show. Maybe it was after that. But here President Trump explains something which is exactly what your best podcast in the universe discussed months ago. if this guy would lower rates. We get a lower interest rate, it's unbelievable. And he's worried about inflation. If he worries about inflation any longer, all he has to do is get the lower rate,

Starting point is 02:49:51 let us go out, borrow at a much lower rate. Much lower, you could go down a point or two, we'll go out, borrow, and if in two years inflation comes back, he raises rates. But he keeps them the same, it's just, it's insane. Are you already thinking about who your next Fed Chair will be? So there it is, exactly what we discussed. He wants the Fed to lower the rate so we can refi the country, which is a good idea. And then Trump says if inflation goes up, you raise the rates, but then we'll have longer

Starting point is 02:50:31 term debt. Everybody's got the stablecoin and it will be good to go. We'll lower our interest payments. At this point, is Jerome Powell just not an American? Is he not patriotic? Why doesn't he do this? The ECB has lowered rates eight times. The way the Fed is structured right now, they don't believe

Starting point is 02:50:59 what Trump says is going to work. Is going to work? They don't think that you can... They see that the interest rates are always pegged to inflation and unless there's an economic downturn, there's no reason to lower the rates. It's just a rule the way they see it. They're not thinking about strategizing, you know, refinancing the country.

Starting point is 02:51:23 They're just not on the agenda. They're never right, by the way. Exactly. Thank you. They're always wrong. So why would they be right now? Why would they change? They're always wrong. But it seems like the right thing to do.

Starting point is 02:51:37 Doesn't mean a thing. By the way, in Europe now, having over 3000 euros in your possession is about to become illegal. What? Yep. Yep. You are not allowed to have more than 3000 euros in cash. Why?

Starting point is 02:51:55 Because that means you're criminal. That you, there's no way you need that kind of money for any legal matter. You should be using banks and stablecoin or the digital euro, whatever it is. They are getting rid of cash. You cannot have more than 3000 euros cash in your possession or you will be deemed suspect and probably involved in criminal activity. Yep.

Starting point is 02:52:27 That's bull crap. Yeah. In fact, a Dutch guy was caught. Some people like having cash. Yeah. Was caught, caught at the border with Germany. He had like a mini fridge in the back. He had 124,000 euros in there, hidden. And off the jail you go. What do you need that cash for? Where'd you get that cash?

Starting point is 02:52:49 You better tell us about that cash. You can't have that cash. That's not good to have that cash. You are probably involved in illegal criminal activity, aren't you? Meanwhile, everybody's making bank on the drug trade through the Netherlands. This is the port of preference for shipping your drugs into Europe. I'm sure sanctioned by politicians at all.

Starting point is 02:53:13 Yeah, it's bad. It's bad. You cannot have cash. Well, you want to do the clip blitz? Oh, okay. Hold on a second. I'm sorry. I was a little underprepared.

Starting point is 02:53:28 I know, I know, I know. You told me earlier blitz. Okay. All right, clip blitz. Ladies and gentlemen, we haven't done it in a long time. Here we go. Red 33, clip blitz. All right, everybody.

Starting point is 02:53:39 It's time for a clip blitz. John C to work. ABC 7, Mark Brown talking about how people enjoy watching cars burn Large group of people it could turn very volatile if you move law enforcement in there in the wrong way and turn what is just a bunch of people having fun watching cars burn into a massive confrontation and altercation between officers and demonstrators It's another no agenda Alright, Clip Blitz was next

Starting point is 02:54:09 This was under FISY FISY Fischy The federal judge has ruled the Trump administration cannot continue to detain Mahmoud Khalil on the basis of Secretary of State Marco Rubio's determination He's a threat to American foreign policy goals. It's unclear whether Cleo will soon be released from the immigration detention center in Louisiana where he's been held since ICE agents arrested him in early March. Judge paused his own ruling until Friday to give the government time to appeal.

Starting point is 02:54:38 It's another No Agenda. CLEO CLEO The NEA chief kind of forgetting what the wordage of the Declaration of Independence is. We the people! We the people! We the people! All of us!

Starting point is 02:54:53 All of us have the right to life, liberty in the pursuit of justice! Blah, 23! Blah, blah, blah! That's right, something like that. You know the thing! You know the thing, Sun Poles. Sun Poles? France and Saudi Arabia are gathering countries for a conference next week at UN headquarters in New York to support the recognition of a power... I'm sorry, that's the wrong one. Here you go. Sun poles.

Starting point is 02:55:25 And the European Space Agency's released the first ever images of the Sun's south pole. The footage, taken from a solar orbiter spacecraft, shows a shimmering bright atmosphere interspersed with dark clouds of gas. Scientists hope it'll help them understand why the Sun's poles switch from north to south and back again every 11 years. The World Bank is to end a long-standing ban on the funding of nuclear energy projects in developing countries to help meet soaring electricity needs. It said demand for electricity in poorer countries is expected to more than double in the next 10 years. Clipless! And you can close the locker room doors, that's it.

Starting point is 02:56:10 Yeah, I'm sorry, close the... I'm screwing it up, where is it? Locker room doors? I don't think we have a locker room... no, I'm saying that the clipless is over. Oh, the clipless is over. Clipless! Woo, thank you! I'm gonna show my that the clip blitz is over. Oh, the clip blitz is over. Clip blitz. Woo, thank you. I'm going to show my school by donating to No Agenda. Imagine all the people who could do that. Oh yeah, that'd be fab.

Starting point is 02:56:33 Yeah, on No Agenda in the morning. Wow, way to bring back the clip blitz. Haven't had one of those in a long time. Those of you stuck with us this long are joyous, of course. And right now we are waiting for the tip of the day. We've got the end of show mixes. We have some, uh, meetup reports. We got birthdays, nights, PhDs, and John is now going to thank the rest of our

Starting point is 02:56:57 supporters, uh, value for value who supported us $50 or more. Right at the top of the list is Dame Rita once again and from Sparks, Nevada one two three four five She says ITM Christopher Ebert in Spartanburg, South Carolina 105 35 Greg Marshall in Calgary, Alberta, Canada 100 David van den Bron in Turnar'd David van den Brond in turn Nard Turnout no turn art. I'm sorry turn art. Yes to know I said turn art. Yeah. Happy birthday to me He writes you have a birthday to me Jew money

Starting point is 02:57:39 We got some Jew money. There it is. Some Jew money. Finally. Thanks brother. Do you money? And then he has a little comment for you in Dutch. Well, it's his birthday. Tomorrow another year and for you, oh stop, roofers. And for you, what extra, because it always works to get a smile on my face. All right, thank you.

Starting point is 02:58:01 Harry Clan in Aledo, Texas. A hundred dollars. Sir Uncle Cave Bear in Aledo, Texas, $100. Sir Uncle Cave Bear in Millboro, Virginia, $100. This is from the Whitten Family Reunion. Kevin McLaughlin, there he is in Concord, North Carolina. He is the Archduke Luna lover, American lover of boobs. This is a 1772 donation, 808. Sir Alex in Kiley, Texas.

Starting point is 02:58:29 Kyle, Kyle, Kyle. 7061, he's got a long note. This is some sort of a knighting or something. That means we have to read it. I will read it right away. In the morning, gents, I'm making the $67 donation for the 67 days our daughter spent in the NICU. Is this Alex Savala? Yes, sir Alex and I want to launch the Father's Day NICU dad donation challenge I challenge all no agenda NICU dads to donate this Father's Day in honor of the number of days your baby spent in the NICU

Starting point is 02:58:59 That's the natal intensive care unit Also, be sure to check out the nickyoudad.com, which is a great podcast. Join the Nickyoudad push-up challenge to help raise awareness about Nickyoudad mental health. Thanks again for all the support. Can I get some goat karma and I love my truck? I was also made a Baron a few weeks back, but I wanted to use this donation to request a name change. Can I be dubbed Baron Zavala, guardian of the Nickyou and champion of the Nikkew dads? Of course. Thanks for all you do and a special thanks to you Adam and Tina for your support.

Starting point is 02:59:30 We're so grateful. If you are a Nikkew dad or no one check out the Nikkewdad.com and the Nikkew dad on all our social media platforms and thanks again. And yes I'll give them some go car me if you do the truck. Get it. Well, you you do the truck for I do the truck first. Yeah. I love my truck and I love what I do. There you go. You've got. Karma. Sir, I was another note for you to read.

Starting point is 03:00:02 Oh, do I have this one? Yeah, you do. note for you to read. Oh, do I have this one? Yeah, you do. It's on the PDF. Okay. This is from Todd Grubb is in Imlai City, Michigan. When he came with 69.33, but in fact, this is a nighting. He's gotten up to $2,000. This is a K-Pak chiropractic.

Starting point is 03:00:20 He says, we started listening to the show at the early part of COVID kicked in the mouth by some douchebag on Twitter. This donation puts me over $2,000 in donation completed $220 month dollar, $50 night hood layaways via PayPal. Some are under, okay, he has all these different names. This does not need to be read. But he doesn't want to be deduced. You've been deduced. And he'll be knighted Sir Todd

Starting point is 03:00:48 Knight of Cows and Pigs and Chickens and he would like to gift his wife a damehood for their 20th anniversary. And they never had a fight. She would be Dame Josepha, Dame at all to hell, Montreal brisket and seagram's very very own at the roundtable and she would like gigolo's and blow Okay, please get the gigolo's and blow Is she on the list I Believe so. I don't think so. I'm looking at the list. Yeah, we do. We have a dame. We have a dame Joseph Grubb James Josefina Dame it all to hell. Oh

Starting point is 03:01:30 I oh I said I look at the wrong. Oh, yeah, of course. Yeah, yeah Jave rarely makes a mistake now rarely which is J good. J does not make mistakes Okay on where with Chad Hewitt in Folsom, California, 6640. Jason Sheppard in Trinidad, Colorado, 6006. Les Starkowski in Kingman, Arizona, 6006. Matt Lambert in Fuquay, Varina, North Carolina, 5272. Hakan Andresen in Portland, Oregon, 5272. Commodore G in Cincinnati, 5167. Paolo Moore in Fort Washington, Maryland, 5150.

Starting point is 03:02:17 And he says, 5150, Cali is crazy, referring to Southern California. And there they are, bad idea supply. Look them to Southern California. There they are. Bad idea supply. Look them up on Google. For all your burning needs, literally. 50-50. Sir Economic Hitman in Tomball, Texas, 50-01.

Starting point is 03:02:36 And now we have $50 donors starting with William Spain in Springdale, Arkansas. Renee Knig in Ul- Knig. Knig. Knig. In Ul-trecht. Utrecht. Utrecht. Netherlands. 50.

Starting point is 03:02:52 Roderick Brown in Mermaid. Someplace in Canada. P.E. What could that be? Don't know. Poutine. Steven Schumacher in Zinnia, Ohio Matthew Bush Bush in Maple Valley Washington is a happy Father's Day to the best dad and husband

Starting point is 03:03:18 Get those father's day. Yes get those father day mentions in the next show the next donation segment Next show on Sunday Father's Day. Don't forget remember Andrew Grasso miniola, New York Tom Del Vecchio and Blandon, Pennsylvania Mike Moon in Athens, Georgia Gary Mao and Woodland Hills, California And last on our that's actually pretty short list today Ethan reets reets I believe in New Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, and he's got a biblical thing to go to. Corinthians 15, 1-4 and Romans 3.23-26. Okay, go look them up. Yes, Tim Del Vecchio, and yes, it's 1 Corinthians 15-4,

Starting point is 03:04:01 Look them up. Yes, Tim DelVecchio. And yes, it's 1 Corinthians 15, 4, sword to four. Thank you all very much to these donors, $50 and above. We love your support. We do not do anything under $50. The guarantee anonymity, we don't want to screw anything up, so we just stop it right there, but we see you. 49.99s, we appreciate everybody.

Starting point is 03:04:19 Every single donation, those smaller amounts really do add up and we appreciate you helping us out that way as well. You can support us for the next episode as John said it is Father's Day. So consider a Father's Day donation for your dad or for your husband who's a great dad. Go to NoAgendaDonations.com. You can make any kind of donation you want there. There's some suggestions. You can also just set up a sustaining donation. Any any frequency is all up to you Thank you again for supporting the best podcast in the universe And where we had no birthdays on the last show we have a couple this today we have Mitchell Reeves wishing his wife Sierra Reeves a very happy 33rd and she celebrates today Sierra Reeves a very happy 33rd and she celebrates today mom dad Cullen and runes a happy birthday to Nora She turns eight tomorrow al kelkoff his smoking hot wife Barbara boy. Does he love her?

Starting point is 03:05:14 She celebrates tomorrow and we got David to fund and brand and he celebrated today his birthday And he sent us some Jew money. Thank you very much. Happy birthday for everybody here the best podcast in the universe. Yes indeed we just heard him Sir Alex Savala now becomes a baron. He's moving up in the peerage at No Agenda. He is Baron Savala, Guardian of the NICU and Champion of the NICU dads. And that is definitely worth looking into because, you know, the NICU dads, when your kids in the ICU,

Starting point is 03:05:58 dads have all kinds of different challenges and they can support each other and he's doing great work on that and we appreciate all he does and we appreciate him supporting us and we have two PhDs to celebrate Barbara Kelkoff and Richard Hollow both have become PhDs of No Agenda. What exactly is this PhD? Is this the media deconstruction? Yes this is a rerun of the media deconstruction PhD. That's beautiful.

Starting point is 03:06:22 You have one. I have one and someone sent me a picture of theirs on their wall and they love it a lot. It's good. Go to NoAgendaRings.com. That's where you can let us know, Barbara and Richard, where you want us to send your certificates and what you want on it. Of course, everybody can take a look there at the PhD certificates and also the night rings and dame rings and we do have a couple of nights and a dame. We have Troy Funderburke who is a layaway knight and I have a note here

Starting point is 03:06:56 says I would like to be Sir Thunder of the Bitterroot Valley. Thank you for the consistent and articulate deconstruction. For good measure please please throw in some baby-making karma as we try for our second human resource, says Troy Funderburk. I will, let me see, I will get that ready for you so we can roll that out for you in a little bit. But first, why don't we bring them all up and if you can give me a blade to work with you.

Starting point is 03:07:20 There you go. That's very good. Please, the following people join us here. On the podium for the Noagenda Knights and Dames we need Troy Funderburk, we need Drew McArdle and Todd Grubb. All three of you gentlemen are now Knights of the Noagenda Roundtable and, if you know mine, I'd like to call up Josephina grub Josephina You are now a dame of the no agenda roundtable I pronounce the KB sir thunder of the bitter root valley sir

Starting point is 03:07:52 Doodle on a noodle protector of the red stick and laffy taffy sir Todd night of cows and pigs and chickens and Dame Joseph a dame at all to hell who wanted gigolos and blow? And along with that, we got some Montreal biscuits and Seagrams. Man, I ran out of time because we also have mutton and meat at every single round table for our Knights and Dames. The list is ever growing. That we have enough chairs for everybody.

Starting point is 03:08:16 We thank you so much for supporting the show. Go to noagenderrings.com. Look at those handsome rings, they're Cygnet rings, so you can use them to seal your important correspondence. We give you some sticks of wax to do that with, multicolored, and as always a certificate of authenticity and our gratitude and thanks for supporting No Agenda. No Agenda Meetups!

Starting point is 03:08:37 It's time to come on in! Yeah baby, yeah baby, yeah baby! John's tip of the day is on the way, but first we have a couple of meetup reports. The first is from Kodiak, I believe it's in Alaska. In the morning, this is Sir Uncle Cave Bear, the washed up artist, reporting live from the Witton Family Reunion slash No Agenda Meetup here in Kodiak, Alaska. We'd all like to thank you John and Adam for your courage. Oh my gosh, listen to that horn! Don't eat me Bojiden! Chemtrails!

Starting point is 03:09:10 In the morning! All right Kodiak nice now we move to the fourth annual Louisiana crawfish broil no agenda meter report. Tracy no agenda virgin. Circane break enjoying the crawfish and fisting my nuts no nut fisting. This is Tyler in the morning. Mitch enjoying sir night the nuts and the virgin. We want to see you all next year on the

Starting point is 03:10:00 bayou eating some crawfish. This is Brian in the morning. Hey John you're a scoundrel thank you for your courage. Isaac from Lafayette, ITM a listener from the Daily Source Code days and this is my first meet up awesome great time. Aaron from Lafayette, Louisiana also my first meet in ITM. This is not a douche, Drew. Soon to be Sir Drewdoll on a noodle in the morning. Let's feed some blind goats. Ah! Don't laugh.

Starting point is 03:10:34 Why are you laughing? All right. Shut up. Nice production. Thank you very much. Meetups taking place today. The Northern Wake Freedom Summer Slammo Whammo kicks off at six o'clock in Raleigh, North Carolina at Hoppy Endings. Tomorrow, Calling All Gitmo Nordics Erso on Meetup. Yes, this is the big Kobenhavn, Denmark, at Mikkelers Baghaven Reffen.

Starting point is 03:10:57 You better be there. Paul Peertemann is organizing that and I want a Meetup report include your servers please. On Saturday the Lazardus Varts picnic that is the beach next to the marina in the old town of Culemborg in the Netherlands. Sir Hendrik is sir Hendrik back on his feet again I hope so that's awesome. Saturday the Treasure Valley meetup three o'clock in Eagle Idaho old state saloon. Saturday as well downtown New York City three o'clock the six-point brewery at Brookfield Place New York, New York Joe NY 33 organizing those guys always have a big group include your server I want to hear all about it as we heard earlier the dog patch San Francisco summer meetup kicks off on Saturday at 330 at dog Patch Saloon in San Francisco the Duke of San Francisco hosting that the Comox Valley meetup 5 o'clock Church Street tap house in Comox, British Columbia

Starting point is 03:11:48 That's on Saturday and also on Saturday trains trains and more trains no spooks allowed 730 in Davenport, Iowa at Mickey's Irish pub be there or be lame coming up International meetups the 17th of June con of France we have International Meetups, the 17th of June, Cannes, France. We have, let's see, was that the only international one? The 19th, oh, this is in September. Hey, there's a lot of meetups. There's always tons of meetups, always one in the neighborhood.

Starting point is 03:12:14 You can find them at noagendameetups.com. Go there, take a look at the lineup. If you can't find a meetup near you, don't panic. It's just like a TED Talk, only without douchebags. Start one yourself, noagendameetups.com. Don't panic. It's just like a TED talk only without douchebags start one yourself. No agenda meetups calm always a party You wanna be where everybody feels the same It's like a party And as requested, I never forget a baby making karma for our new night You've got

Starting point is 03:12:52 Pshh! Arrrrrr! Arrrrrr! Arrrrrr! Arrrrrr! Karma And at this point in the show is where we always like to select our ISO for the end of the show Bad news!

Starting point is 03:13:08 I do not have a single ISO lined up for today. I have one good one that I was gonna pull if you didn't have a good one. Well, you nailed it. Holy crap! What a great show! Indeed. AI to the rescue, you're gonna get sued for that prompt, Dvorak, I'm telling you. But first, before the lawsuit, it's time for John's Tip of the Day. Creating files for you and me. Just a tip with JCB. And sometimes, at home. Created by Dana Bernetti. All right, this is some utilities and also just a great nerdy website. There's a, I would call them a meta tech, meta nerd that is just a fabulous character.

Starting point is 03:13:55 His name is Chris Titus. He does a lot of videos and he's like, if you're getting into Linux, you want to go to his website, christhitas.com. But if you want the absolute most amazing Windows utilities, he also developed a system called WinUtils and it would be, you get to it because you can't actually download it. It runs on kind of in the cloud, his cloud.

Starting point is 03:14:26 Is it running on kind of in the cloud his cloud and Running on Google Cloud because no, I don't know. We'll be all working offline I doubt it to be honest about it, but it's good, but the website you want is when you till w i n u t i l dot Chris Titus at C h r i s t i t u s dot com. Hmm. Win you two. And this thing runs only, you have to load it from the, you have to load it from the Windows admin power shell. What could possibly go wrong? Which takes over your whole machine. Yeah.

Starting point is 03:15:00 But you have to get, but he got the rules on how to get there and what to cut and paste and throw it in there. Once you load this thing, it's astonishing. It's got every known utility that you can imagine, all free utilities that are available for windows in one tab. Another tab has got this huge pile of checklists to optimize your system so it runs better. It's one thing after another. This guy's, this WinUtil product is unbelievable. Wow. That's an endorsement coming from you,

Starting point is 03:15:32 the man who wrote the telecommunications book for Windows. And I will mention this. If you're thinking about Linux, he, and you just go to his regular website, he is a fanatic about Arch Linux. Yeah. And to the point where he says he's been trying to break it for over a year, he says it's impossible. And he's got tutorials and all kinds of things.

Starting point is 03:15:57 It just, he's just the guy. And it's like surprises me that he's not more well known. That is, and now you said it was amazing, didn't you? You said it was just an amazing product. Yes, I said amazing. Oh my God, that is amazing! That is an endorsement. You can't pass up more at John's Tip of the Day dot net.

Starting point is 03:16:19 Created fast for you and me. Just a tip with JCP. And sometimes, Adam. Created by Dana Brunetti. And of course, thank you to Dana Brunetti. Where would we be without Dana Brunetti? We'd just be up Schitt's Creek without a paddle. And that is the end of our broadcast day. That's it for our deconstruction for this episode of No Agenda 1772, but it'll just

Starting point is 03:16:45 be three days wait and we'll be back with 1773 and it is Father's Day. So make sure you thank your dad, thank your husband, thank that important dad in your life. You can do it with a nice note at NoAgendaDonations.com. Ending our show as usual, we will have a couple of end of show mixes these laughs comes in from Toronto Tom Starkweather with some nice little LA protest ditties and Nautilus K is back with another end of show mix all fresh all new all for you and up next after we leave the airwaves, it is that Larry show. Episode 489, Larry with the deep voice.

Starting point is 03:17:27 He's the man to watch. In the meantime, I will say thank you very much for listening and coming you from the heart of the Texas Hill Country and Fredericksburg in the morning everybody, I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley where it looks like Saturday's gonna be a winner, I'm John C. Dvorak. We return on Sunday. Meet us there and remember us at NoAgendaDonations.com. Until then, adios, po-pos, hooey, hooey, and such.

Starting point is 03:17:50 These automated systems are so lame. It's like you can't afford some dollar an hour person in India. I mean, who can barely speak English. This would be better than this. Yeah, the true AI. Anonymous India. You can't afford some dollar an hour person in India, I mean, who can barely speak English, this would be better than this. Yeah, the true AI.

Starting point is 03:18:09 Anonymous Indian, that's what we need. What a sight to see, such a fractured society, when people mindlessly subscribe and see. Then they make up their own version of reality. Take a look at Wall Street, are we in trouble? Nvidia and AI, there's a huge bubble. Oracle's Larry Ellison, it's sounding stubborn, but Elon's saying we don't have a habit really, are we in trouble? Nvidia and AI, there's a huge bubble Oracle's Larry Ellison, it sounded stubborn But Elon's saying we don't have a habit really, we're in trouble Anonymous Indians, AI and so many pot schemes

Starting point is 03:18:33 Nightmares don't hit the same when you're living out this Eurodruke Abnormal dreams, being pitched to solve all of our Monday, Monday manuals, human tasks He's into the chatbot, can it even sort emails? Don't even ask, H1B is not for me You see, clarified by Big Pharma Always wanna harm ya, now he's tryna charm ya He's got the little revakes, the snake ramas for me

Starting point is 03:18:55 Get his job leading up to the campaign Bringin' in the best talent was for our day Can you remove the state? Takin' 10% off the top, now drainin' the brain Every country should make its own citizens its number one priority. Not just because you check a box as a visible minority. Cultures clashing in the city of the six.

Starting point is 03:19:15 Many faces to a city more than six. People coming from all over the world to get a fix. Funny and defeated, this is not a trick. How is the time? This is an exit strategy for you and for you only and I would support it. You need to become the Tech Grouch again. Once you're the Tech Grouch, everybody will want to interview you

Starting point is 03:19:34 and then of course you gotta slip around that outfit all over the place. You gotta keep the voice going, AHHHH IPHONE'S MY PHONE, I GOT A BACOLITE PHONE, IT'S FINE! People will love you, they will glom onto the truck. I'm working on it. I'm getting the green screen. Maybe we are part of a national experiment to determine how far the federal government can go. Tuesday's demonstrations were largely peaceful. Two men are in custody accused of throwing Molotov cocktails at law enforcement.

Starting point is 03:20:02 We're seeing protests pop up in other cities across the country. National Guard troops already have detained civilians in the LA anti-ice protest. First of all, we want to make sure that what has happened in California does not happen in Texas. We're coming after all these people. Our community must be kept safe for peaceful protests and against thugs and criminals looking to start trouble. As the Trump administration is signaling, it will not back down. protests and against thugs and criminals looking to start trouble. The Trump administration is signaling it will not back down.

Starting point is 03:20:28 The Pentagon is deploying nearly 700 Marines to Southern California to help the National Guard respond to immigration protests that turned into clashes with authorities over the last few days. The U.S. Marines and National Guard are on standby outside of Los Angeles where demonstrators have again been protesting President Donald Trump's immigration policies. There is a heavy amount of police officers that are scattered not only in this area but on the parks that are in the outskirts of this area preparing for any number of demonstrations and protesters that make their way here.

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