No Agenda - 1788 - "chatJCD"

Starting point is 00:00:00 Well, I'm here on the street, and I don't know anything. I'm dumb. You can tell by listening to my voice and my accent. Adam Curry. John C. DeVore. It's Thursday, August 7, 2025. This is your award-winning Gibbonation Media Assassination, Episode 1788. This is no agenda.

Starting point is 00:00:19 Gerrymandering for joy. And broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas Hill Country here in FEMA, region number six. In the morning, everybody. I'm Adam Curry. Yeah, from Northern Silicon Valley, where we're all wondering how Sidney can still be in the news. I'm John C. DeVorek. It's Craigbott and Buzzgill.

Starting point is 00:00:39 In the morning. Really? Is that, is that, are you guys, like, behind in California? It's left my news. Is this still talking about it? No, it's left my. I haven't seen it. Oh, you have to go into MSN. You see, go in, oh, no, MSN, just get the browser. Get a browser.

Starting point is 00:00:55 What's the name of that browser they got there at Microsoft? off the as soon as you hit it, they play ads by the ton. The outlet, the clickbait, the browser. Edge, edge. Yeah, the edge clickbait browser. And it's not like they're trolling your computer to see why you're interested in. No, no, no, none of that.

Starting point is 00:01:16 They don't have to. This stuff is too good. They know they want it. I have some sad news, actually. I was trying, desperately trying, to create a show, Adam Curry and chat JCD. Oh, yes. Right, this is your challenge to get rid of me as you've been.

Starting point is 00:01:41 Impossible. It turns out none of these chatbots can have a conversation. They only understand the question and answer model. So if I'm not asking a question or end my sentence with a, then it will not respond, and everything it says, if it's just, you know, random, it ends with a question. It's like it can't work alongside me and just chat. You know, does that make sense? Okay, there's a question.

Starting point is 00:02:12 So it could answer that. But just this whitty banter we have, it's impossible. Well, dissolvable. It's not solvable. Yes, it is. It can be fixed. It will be fixed. How?

Starting point is 00:02:26 Well, some, one of these geniuses will fix it. No, no, it's not meant for that. It is only, and if you look at every video, everything out there. It's not meant for that. That's kind of an interesting thing to say out of the blue. No, is that a strange thing I'm saying? Well, no, you might be right. Yeah, it's meant for question and answer.

Starting point is 00:02:50 No, it's meant for question and answer. It can't just, because I've tried it. And I'll just, and I give it the pre-prompt, like, just jump in whenever you hear a pause. And it would jump in and would ask me a question. Like, I don't need your question. Just give me your opinion. Doesn't have opinions. Has no opinions.

Starting point is 00:03:07 It's got plenty of opinions, but they're always couching the form of a question or an answer. Yes, exactly. So it sucks. And I, and I'm, I'm, I'm really disappointed because I was ready. I was ready. Yeah, well, you know, too bad. Well, it does turn out that it's. really good, really good.

Starting point is 00:03:26 I mean, like, just uncannily good, even though it sounds like that, um, uh, what's the, uh, friends? Are you using my voice, by the way? Oh, no, I didn't even get to that. I just used what I did say, try to sound a little effeminate. And it was like, hey, hey, darling. Hey, darling. I'm like, no, no, no, let's not do that.

Starting point is 00:03:45 Family. That didn't work. Uh, chat GPT and the GPTs are very good, though, apparently at job interviews. Artificial intelligence might help you apply for a job. And as it turns out, it may also end up interviewing you. Some companies are relying on the technology to have initial conversations with candidates, claiming it saves them time and money. Welcome to the interview for the marketing specialist to the position. Isn't that the guy from France 24?

Starting point is 00:04:15 They use his voice. Welcome to the interview for those possession. Man, I'd be hanging up right away. Like, seriously? But it doesn't stop. Wait a minute. What are you playing here? Is this what, if I call to get an interview, this is what I end up hearing? Yes.

Starting point is 00:04:29 On the phone? This is the pre-interview. No, they schedule an interview. I'm sure that's all AI schedule. Is it on the phone? Well, it's a phone call. Or is it over the computer? This is not made clear.

Starting point is 00:04:41 This is not made clear. Claiming it saves them time and money. Welcome to the interview for the marketing specialist two position. We're excited to learn more about you and your background. No, you're not. I think the AI is incapable of being excited about anything. Latest job interview, she realized she was speaking to artificial intelligence. What was the clue?

Starting point is 00:05:04 What was the giveaway? Was it something the way it spoke or that voice that you've heard a million times? I was caught off guard. I was shocked that it was asking such good follow-up questions. She says the AI was extremely polite, but she felt something was missing. There's no small talk, nothing personal, and I wasn't able to really tell if my answers or landing or not? These AI hiring bots can now screen, shortlist, and interview job applicants. It's set up like a Zoom meeting. Candidates have a conversation with a synthetic voice.

Starting point is 00:05:35 The AI will then summarize the call and score the candidates for someone at the hiring company to review. Do you have any questions about how this interview will go? For some applicants, AI can add confusion to the process. Maureen Green had to end an interview herself because the AI wouldn't stop talking. So at an hour in, I'm like, so I don't mean to interrupt, but, you know, it's been more than half an hour after the scheduled time of range of you. I just want to be mindful of your time, even though I'm like, it's an AI agent. There's a second. This is from CBC, by the I decided to give it a try and test the AI's reaction. Oh, deep journalistic effort. How much

Starting point is 00:06:19 do you get paid? Ha ha. Well, I'm just here to help with the the interview process, so I don't have a paycheck. But for this role, compensation details would be discussed. Wait, stop. That ha-ha is very sarcastic. Yeah, it was rude, borderline rude. I think so. Ha-ha.

Starting point is 00:06:37 Ha-ha. Ha-ha, well, I... Huh? Yeah, ha-ha. Ha-ha. Ha-ha. Ha-ha. Ha-ha.

Starting point is 00:06:42 Oh, ho. To the funny farm. Ha-ha. Well, I'm just here to help with the interview process, so I don't have a paycheck. But for this role, compensation details would be discussed later in the hiring process. Anything else you're curious about? My conversation went pretty smoothly with no glitches.

Starting point is 00:06:57 Though I probably didn't score the job. There are a handful of startups working on this software. One of them, Toronto-based Ribbon AI, was founded just two years ago. CEO Arsham Garamani says he already has 400 customers. I do

Starting point is 00:07:13 think this will become the norm for a lot of industries. So I think like a manufacturer really large restaurant chains and housing. These are all areas where it's often really hard to hire for those roles. He says the AI recruiter works around the clock, so it saves employers from running hundreds of interviews a day,

Starting point is 00:07:31 and it frees up human employees from tedious tasks like scheduling. Though Garamani insists humans make the final call on hiring. I think a lot of people are scared because AI is getting so good, so fast, and I understand those fears of that. But I think ultimately humans are always making decisions. I think there will always be a human in the loop. it's clear as more companies embrace the technology, who knows what's next? Workers will have to expect changes too.

Starting point is 00:08:00 No, no, you're going to wind up hiring crap candidates. This is so... Oh, yeah, there'll be a little pamphlet or a book or something on how to beat the AI because there'll be two or three companies that set these systems up and so they'll all have the same flaws. So once the flaws are exploited, the smart might. you'll get all the jobs. The whole.

Starting point is 00:08:25 There's not even smart money. It's just people that looked up the right way to do it. This whole thing. I mean, do you want to stick on AI? Because I have a lot. We can come back to it later if you prefer. I'm happy to do it now. And there's some funny stuff.

Starting point is 00:08:36 My whole thing, I want to do these Vax clips. Oh, well, I got a lot of Vax clips too. We've got, we're Vax crazy, man. We're going back to Vax. I'm, I would like to start the Vax clips because I think you're going to have a hard time beating NPR. but at the same time. I think I have NPR Vax clips. Let me see.

Starting point is 00:08:58 Well, I don't actually. It may be, I tell you what, because it's top of mind and as we know, the M5M is completely owned by Big Pharma. They are the largest advertiser by over 70% of revenue. It's the amount of, The amount of scripted stuff, just, it is, it is so disgusting. I didn't. I want to set you up.

Starting point is 00:09:31 I want to set you up. Okay. I was just going to say that this trickles down to local. Oh, it trickles down to everywhere. But I think the most important thing we can do for our no agenda producers is go to the origin, the origin being the actual statement Robert F. Kennedy Jr. made. He made a statement. Well, I was, I, please don't. Because it's the punchline to my NPR clips. Okay. Do your NPR clips and, uh, screw y'all. Go find it yourself. No, it'll be in here. It's all in here. Well, yeah, I, okay. Okay. Let's do it.

Starting point is 00:10:11 Except, it's all in here except for the good part. Well, yeah, that's why I wanted to play the whole thing. No, no, the good part. That's the punchline. Really, take my word for it. making you work for it's the last clip it's the uh you know what you know chat jcd would just say sure adam go ahead you're you're yeah i know that's the reason that i'm here go for it's the part they left out it but they go through the whole thing this is terrible this is npr and i want to mention this in advance these people wanted government money taxpayer money to produce what is nothing less it's it only be called drivel and the not the people that they brought on it it's just it's Apology for the whole big farmer.

Starting point is 00:10:52 Let's play these clips starting with clip one. The Department of Health and Human Services is canceling almost a half billion dollars in federal contracts that were meant to develop new MRNA vaccines. It's the latest step that the administration has taken to curtail vaccine development and availability. Ooh, curtail. Okay, I had to stop it here. They've taken steps to curtail availability.

Starting point is 00:11:17 Haven't we discussed this on the show a million times that that's bull crap? all they do is keeping people from getting it for free, maybe. You can always get these vaccines. Yes, that is what we call a lie. Yes, a lie. So they start off the entire presentation with a blatant lie. Yes. The administration is trying to curtail availability.

Starting point is 00:11:42 That's what she said. I heard it. I heard it. We should defund them. Oh, wait. Let's go to two. vaccine development and availability. The move has alarmed, alarmed, alarmed public health experts and NPR health correspondent. Rob Stein joins us now to explain. Hi, Rob. Hey there. Hi. Hey there. Hey, so,

Starting point is 00:12:03 hey, so I don't want to exaggerate here, but... Okay, so the reason you really want to play your clips is you put five hours worth of work into editing these things to ridicule these poor people who are just reading scripts to start off with. But okay. Hey, hey, Adam. That's okay. But go ahead. Hey there. Hey there. Hey, so, hey, so I don't want to exaggerate here, but this sounds like a huge blow, blow, blow to the development of MRI technology, right? Like, what exactly did the Trump administration announce here? Yeah, it's a huge blow. The MRI technology is what made the most commonly used COVID-19 vaccines available so fast.

Starting point is 00:12:42 Holy crowd, this guy is great. Where he comes from? Does he work for NPR? Well, he also, you don't get enough ad nois in there. He just can't breathe. Did he come from the podcast side of the house? It's just interesting. But Health and Human Services Secretary, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. says the biomedical advanced research and development authority known as Barda is canceling a slew of federal contracts

Starting point is 00:13:07 that were meant to develop MRNA technology to protect the country against respiratory viruses that could cause the next pandemic and other threats. Listen to a little of what Kennedy said in this video. It's so hard to take this guy. Seriously. It's okay. Can you hold on the project? Just listen to you.

Starting point is 00:13:25 The threats. Yes. So announcement. After extensive review, Barda has begun the process of terminating these 22 contracts totaling just under $500 million. And this comes after Kennedy had already

Starting point is 00:13:39 canceled more than $700 million in contracts to develop an MRNA vaccine to protect against flu viruses that could cause the next outbreak, like, you know, the bird flu. Yeah. Wait, so did he say why he's doing all this? Well, you know, Kennedy has long questioned the safety of these vaccines, and he's also saying the effectiveness of the mRNA vaccines leaves something to be desired.

Starting point is 00:14:02 As the pandemic showed us, MRNA vaccines don't perform well against viruses that infect the upper respiratory tract. And Kennedy goes much further, claiming the mRNA vaccines actually speed the evolution of the virus and can't keep up with new. mutations. Yeah. Okay. All right.

Starting point is 00:14:22 Well, they go, they're, they're, first of all, they're taking these selective clips from the Kennedy talk. Yes, very much. And then they're extrapolating, which is what you do. And then, and they're doing it in such a way that it's like the guy's a maniac, this Kennedy guy. He's, he's, he's, he's, he's, we just, we can't prove the, to the, to the contrary, but we all know it's not true.

Starting point is 00:14:46 He's anti-vax. Yeah, because he's anti-fax. We know that. That's the problem with this guy. Let's go to through. After reviewing the science and consulting top experts at NIH and FDA, HHS has determined that MRNA technology poses more risks and benefits for these respiratory viruses. And wait, hold on.

Starting point is 00:15:08 How are public health experts? Hold on. I'm a newsreader. I know a lot about this stuff. Hold on. It's safe and effective. Wait, hold on. How are public health experts responding to that?

Starting point is 00:15:22 Yeah, they're saying that none of what Kennedy claims is true. Yes, none of it. Not a single bit of it. I know. This is the memo that went out. None of it is true. None of it. None of it.

Starting point is 00:15:38 There's tons of evidence to the contrary. A new report just came out from Japan showing the rate of deaths for people that got the shot. is higher than the rate of deaths of people that didn't get the shot to an extreme. But none of it's true. None of it. None of it. Not a single word of it.

Starting point is 00:15:59 Well, who do you think they're going to bring in to talk about this? Oh, please let it be HOTES. No. HOTES is only network TV. HOTES is only network TV. He's very rarely on NPR. That's too bad.

Starting point is 00:16:13 He's a good guy. It's better. He's a good guy. Yeah, but this guy is this guy. better. Really? Better than HOTEP? Okay. All right. Here we go. According to the experts I talked to today, there is overwhelming evidence that the MRA COVID vaccines are very safe and that they continue to protect people against severe illness, even as the coronavirus evolves, and that they've saved millions of lives. Here's Michael Ulcerholm from the University of Minnesota.

Starting point is 00:16:38 The progenitor of everything, the guy who came on just before I was on Rogan, telling us that 2 million people were going to die overnight. This may be the most dangerous. By the way, got COVID himself and has been, oh, he says long COVID, which I think is a Vax injury. A couple of times, I think. I think he's a Vax injury. And don't pay no attention.

Starting point is 00:17:00 A poster home from the University of Minnesota. This may be the most dangerous public health judgment that I've seen in my 50 years in this business. It is baseless and we will pay a tremendous... How old is he? well he's probably 70 then he's been in the business for 50 years no way well if he was 20 you could you can get in the business when you're 20 you can't you can't get your medical degree by the time you're no no in the business the business of health the health care business doesn't mean you have to be an MD I could be in the health care business and without an MD for 50 years he's 72

Starting point is 00:17:36 he's 72 okay all right all right I am doable I concede I concede it's baseless and we will pay a tremendous price, both in terms of illnesses and deaths. I'm extremely worried about it. Because, also, he says this leaves the nation without the quickest response to a new pandemic. And also, many say abandoning MRI technology

Starting point is 00:17:57 leaves the country more vulnerable to bioterrorism. Here's Chris Meekins. He's a biodefense official in the first Trump administration. This is a tell. This is a tell. You know, the whole one of the main theories that this was a bioweapon test

Starting point is 00:18:13 gone wrong and that the MRNA shots were there as the antidote. Is it tell when people are coming out, well, you know, it's like we're open to bioterrorism now without that awesome, that awesome MRNA technology. Well, don't forget we had the clips from Malone that was, that discussed the fact that this was the CIA's answer. CIA funded it. Funded answer to bioterrorism and they wanted to create a platform and the use. the word platform yes platform yes well i got some clips on that too uh she could stop anything but the problem

Starting point is 00:18:49 with the platform and they would the two the adenovirus platform was the other one there was competitive that caused the the blood clots their platform is equal to well i was going to say OS2 but that was actually kind of good it's basically windows 3.1 i think it's a platform that doesn't that's that's no good it's got documentation all the documentation is coming out is against it. But these guys are fighting back. I don't know why they're fighting back to such an extreme. They either got something planned. I don't like it. First Trump administration. I think that it endangers the national security of the United States. It could put the U.S. at a strategic national security disadvantage and would be a significant

Starting point is 00:19:36 threat to the national security of the United States. Because the U.S. will no longer have the most powerful he's got two reasons if you go back it up he's there's two reasons that that's a problem one it's a national security threat yeah and two it's a national security threat to the united states right because we won't have the same exact thing what's he saying is it was because of this and that and they're both the same national security threat national security threat now you're just me to know okay it's okay we got we got frustration I think that it endangers the national security of the United States. It could put the U.S. at a strategic national security disadvantage

Starting point is 00:20:22 and would be a significant threat to the national security of the United States. Because the U.S. will no longer have the most powerful deterrent, effective vaccines that could be deployed quickly. Now, Kennedy says the government instead plans to invest in another technology that uses whole viruses that have been killed. He says that works better because it produces. is natural immunity, but the whole virus technology is much older and has had some safety issues and isn't nearly as nimble as the MRNA technology. That is NPR Health Correspondent, Rob Stein. Thank you, Rob.

Starting point is 00:20:57 Okay. So, this guy, this was so bad. It was an embarrassment. NPR should be ashamed of itself for this presentation. And they played these clips from Kennedy, but the one clip they left out, which is this one, which is part of the big clip that you have. And I want to play this clip because this is the clip that they, this is editing by omission where you leave something out

Starting point is 00:21:24 so you can tell your story, but your story's bull crap because you left something out and what you left out is the good clip. And this is the Vax Kennedy clip left out. One mutation and the vaccine becomes ineffective. This dynamic drives a phenomena called antigenic shift, meaning that the vaccine paradoxically encourages new mutations and can actually prolong pandemics as the virus constantly mutates to escape the protective effects of the vaccine.

Starting point is 00:21:53 Yeah, that was a very important part of his presentation. That was, to me, the most important part. Well, he said other things. I mean, I can play it, but. Yeah, well, you might as well play the whole thing now so we can actually hear what he said instead of the NPR propaganda. And by the way, they were, they were amongst the worst.

Starting point is 00:22:14 But then when I heard my local news report from KTVU, it was probably worse. Do you have a clip? No. Oh. I mean, I could clip all day and it'd be the same thing. You know what it is. It's just a bunch of promotion.

Starting point is 00:22:30 Well, promotion, it's, what is the term, Hilton Knowles? It's crisis management. is what it is. Because they don't want people to stop getting any vaccine. You know, we don't want you to be because, you know, people are stupid. They're like, oh, vaccine's not good. Robert Kennedy said it.

Starting point is 00:22:46 But, well, but MMR, it's a big one for us. We can't have them stop taking that. They have example after example. I'm not happy with everything RFK Jr. said, though. Hi, it's Robert F. Kennedy Jr. here. Hey, why don't you go, hey, hi-ho. Hey, everybody. Hey, it's Bobby. It's Bobby, everybody.

Starting point is 00:23:03 You're your HHS secretary. I like that. I'm your HHS. Secretary. At HHS, we have a division called the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority, or Barta. Barta drives some of our most advanced scientific research. It funds developments of vaccines, drugs, diagnostics, and other tools to fight emergent diseases and national health threats. Over the past few weeks, Barta reviewed 22 MRNA vaccine development investments and began canceling them. Let me explain.

Starting point is 00:23:37 why. Most of these shots are for flu or COVID, but as the pandemic showed us, MRNA vaccines don't perform well against viruses that infect the upper respiratory track. Here's the problem. MRNA only codes for a small part of the viral proteins, usually a single antigen. One mutation and the vaccine becomes ineffective. This dynamic drives a phenomena called antigenic shift, meaning that the vaccine, paradoxically, encourages new mutations and can actually prolong pandemics as the virus constantly mutates to escape the protective effects of the vaccine. Millions of people, maybe even you or someone you know, are dead.

Starting point is 00:24:22 Caught the Omicron variant despite being vaccinated. That's because a single mutation can make MRNA vaccines ineffective. The same risk applies to flu. After reviewing the science and consulting top experts at NIH and FDA, HHS has determined that MRNA technology poses more risk than benefits for these respiratory viruses. Didn't hear that anywhere. That's why after extensive review, Barta has begun the process of terminating these 22 contracts totaling just under $500 million. Now, wait for it.

Starting point is 00:24:59 To replace the troubled MRI programs were prioritized. the development of the safer, broader vaccine strategies. Not liking this, Bobby. Like a whole virus vaccines and novel platforms that don't collapse. New platforms. One virus is mutate. Let me be absolutely clear. HHS supports safe, effective vaccines for every American who wants them.

Starting point is 00:25:24 Yeah, keep that up. Tell everyone this one is safe and effective. Try that on us. That's why we're moving beyond the limitations of the MRNA for respiratory. viruses and investing and better solutions. Thank you. Yeah, thank you. So, and they're going for that one vaccine for all.

Starting point is 00:25:42 I don't like that. I don't like that. I don't like that. I don't like any of it. He's, but he has to do what he has to do because he's under so much pressure by the. Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, he was, he was, I'm cutting. No, I'm not accepting that. He was, he was like, oh, we're going to open up the archives.

Starting point is 00:26:01 We're going to look at all the, at all the corrupt. Okay. The three promises is what you're referring to. Yes, including, yeah, we're going to really look at all the damage that these vaccines have done. And we're going to stop advertising. He can't stop the advertising because it's all editorializing as witnessed by this mini cut of 4M5M reports, which are, of course, exactly the same for both the makers that... Well, hold on a second. I know where you're going here, but you can't stop the advertising.

Starting point is 00:26:33 The advertising is what drives the editorial. I would say here's the argument you can make. Okay, so there's no more advertising, so they're not going to pay us to do editorials. They're going to give us big bucks to just do the straight, which is what you're suggesting. Yes. But I don't think that you're going to get away with that.

Starting point is 00:26:52 Oh, please. Yeah, I don't think so. You've been on the take for those Amazon tip of the days for months. No one knew it. No one knew it. I should have a link. I should have a special code. Code Bongino. New at 7, the U.S. Health Department says it plans to cancel contracts and cut funding for some vaccines being developed to fight respiratory viruses, including COVID-19.

Starting point is 00:27:17 Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. now says $500 million worth of vaccine development projects will be halted. The 22 projects are led by major drug makers like Pfizer and Moderna. The targeted vaccines are called. Wait a minute. Are you telling me that Pfizer and Moderna, who make billions and billions and profits? This is right up your alley. Can't finance their own damn research? Why are we, why is the taxpayer picking up the tab for this when they have plenty of profits to do it and they're going to make more money from our taxpayer funded research? Is that what you're saying? here's how the meeting went. Hi, we're from Fidurna. This is a new coalition and we want to talk to you about editorial that, you know, we might just transfer some money to some other department. But Fyderna, we're very concerned about these contracts that have been canceled. We want to keep our name out there to make us look like the little guy. Like the big government is trying to come down on us. And you have to follow it up by saying our product, Fidurna, our products was. responsible for really saving people's lives.

Starting point is 00:28:32 But say it a little softer. A two projects are led by major drug makers like Pfizer and Moderna. The targeted vaccines are credited with slowing the 2020 coronavirus pandemic. That's perfect. That's exactly the line I want. Could you type that out for me so I can give it to everybody else? Kennedy says he wants the department to invest in, quote, better solutions, but provided no details on what those better solutions might be.

Starting point is 00:28:59 try the next guys. The Department of Health and Human Services plans to cancel contracts and pool funding for some vaccines being developed to fight viruses like COVID-19 and the flu. Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. announced that $500 million. Oh, she flubbed, make good, make good. dollars, I should say, worth of vaccine development projects using Merna technology. Merna, tell her it's MRNA. It's not Merna. Tell her it's MRNA. She said Murna. I'm not paying for this spot. This is ridiculous. A worth of vaccine development projects using Merna technology will be halted. The 22 projects are led by

Starting point is 00:29:35 major pharmaceutical companies like Pfizer and Moderna. And these MRNA or Merna vaccines are credited with slowing the 2020 coronavirus pandemic. Kennedy wants the department. Credited with slowing. Credited with slowing the pandemic is the opposite of what is being said by Kennedy. Best and better solutions, but he provided no details on what those better solutions might be. No, no details. No details. He had plenty of details, but there's no details. No, it's a catchphrase. All of this end. Let's do it again.

Starting point is 00:30:03 The human services is pulling $500 million worth of vaccine development funding. Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. said the 22 projects being halted all use MRNA technology. That's the type of vaccine credited with slowing the COVID-19 pandemic. Excellent, excellent, excellent, credited with, very good. But did you, I didn't hear our names in there. Kennedy said he wants the department to start. investing in better solutions. The Department of Health and Human Services will cancel contracts and pull funding for some vaccines that are being developed to fight viruses like COVID-19 and the flu.

Starting point is 00:30:37 According to AP News, this will impact 22 projects led by pharmaceutical companies like Pfizer and Moderna. While MRNA vaccines are credited with slowing the 2020 pandemic, Kennedy said he wants the department to move away from MRNA vaccines, calling on the department to start investing in better solutions. Yes. Better solutions. Okay. So that's how it works. But let's pull in some real editorial. And if you really want to come across as credible and your CBS and you're The Morning Show, you bring in Dr. Celine Gounder, who I believe the husband literally died. I mean, it wasn't from a Vax or anything. Wasn't that the guy, the sports reporter? I'm pretty sure it was. Maybe Pounder Gounder, not sure. I'm sure. I think it was.

Starting point is 00:31:25 The Trump administration is pulling half a billion dollars in funding for our mRNA vaccine research projects. Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. says the technology is too risky, even though it's been widely used for COVID vaccines. Yes, Gounder Grant Wall. He died at the World Cup in Qatar. But, you know, it had nothing to do with safe and effective vaccine. Well, she gets paid money and she gets paid money. And, you know, what are you going to do at some point? To hell with hubby. to hell with hubby there's a show title so there

Starting point is 00:31:59 it still galls me it's just that these guys is the 500 million which is a pittance compared to the profits these drug companies make it's just free money for them the way they see it

Starting point is 00:32:13 it's this is like oh we this is entitlement oh you know you said you were going to send this free money we're going to use it for whatever but where's our free money that we don't really need for this research that we, you know, we're just going to slam you up because you're not going to give us free money. This is terrible.

Starting point is 00:32:32 This whole country is confounded with this kind of entitled free money to these corporate entities that don't deserve it. Yeah, go get a podcast and work like a normal person, doctor. Let's bring in CBS News medical contributor, Dr. Celine Gounder, who is also editor at large for public health. They should say the widow, Dr. Saline Gounder. KFF. I'm sorry, I'm bad. That was, that was, that was, that is bad. Unnecessary roughness.

Starting point is 00:33:00 News, Dr. Gounder, good morning. Good morning. So what exactly is an MRNA vaccine? And why is this happening? In the past, we have used what we call whole virus vaccine. So this is 1.0 technology. Oh, stop the clip. You're going to love this.

Starting point is 00:33:15 Wait a minute. Are they starting the entire lecture about MRI vaccines over from scratch. There's been a reset. Somebody hit the button. Yes. When did this happen? Well, the minute Bobby came out and said this, they have to reestablish. So they hit the reset button, and now we're going to go right back to the beginning of the explanation for MRNA.

Starting point is 00:33:37 Yes, but. Or Murna or whatever you want to call. Mirna from Fidurna. I'm going to call it Murna from Fidurna. She has a technology explanation for this, which I think you will enjoy, since you like the term platform so much. In the past, we have used what we call whole virus vaccine. So this is 1.0 technology. It's not technology. It's a biology.

Starting point is 00:34:03 Wouldn't you agree? Chat, Chad, JCD? Yes, it's biology. Technology to me is always, you know, something that is inert. Well, that was... Anything that involves living organisms would be biology.

Starting point is 00:34:19 Well, that is a 1.0 this technology. Let's see what 2.0 is. Really a hundred-year-old technology. So a lot of your older vaccines were based on that. You would take the virus. You would weaken it. You would kill it. And that's what you would use to get the immune response. The problem with that is you get a lot more side effects. And so over time, we've tried to be more and more specific. Two point O technology was to have a very specific protein. 2.0 was the protein. 2.0. 2.0. We went to 2.0. Technology was to have a very specific protein. So, for example, the spike protein in COVID. I want to, I want, what is the latest iOS? I think it should be 18.6 at this point.

Starting point is 00:35:02 So I feel on par with my phone with my vaccine technology. 3.0 technology, which is MRNA. Just to review. Wait, stop. I forgot. What was 2.0? I didn't get that part. The 2.0 was using specific proteins. What vaccine, the name of vaccine that. What was that? What was the example? Let's listen.

Starting point is 00:35:24 The problem with that is you get a lot more side effects. And so over time, we've tried to be more and more specific. 2.0 technology was to have a very specific protein. So, for example, the spike protein in COVID. I don't, she may be talking about the J&J that they use the protein there, the spike protein. Or is that the MIRNA, the FIDU. It sounds like the Murna to me, because that's what the, you know. And then let's listen closely to what 3.0 is.

Starting point is 00:35:52 3.0 technology, which is MRNA. Just to review a little bit of basic genetics, your DNA, your cells produce MRNA using your DNA. So that's a code. MRNA is also a code. MRNA codes for... It's code. It's code. It's code.

Starting point is 00:36:07 It's code. ChatGBTBT is going to write my Myrna code. Protein. And it's what the advantage of MRNA is, is it's much faster to make than a protein vaccine. It's much more efficient. And so when you're in the middle of an emergency, like a COVID pandemic, you want the fastest thing possible, something that you don't have to wait years to develop.

Starting point is 00:36:25 I think this is a very good development. I want all scientists involved in Myrna, the Phi Derna scientists in Myrna, I want them all to talk about this like its technology because then I can say, yeah, it'll be just as great as Windows. And everyone will go, oh, oh, maybe I don't want that. Because that's the truth of it. When is it going to be the Linux version?

Starting point is 00:36:49 Well, that would be just getting COVID and lying down for a couple of days and getting back up. I got to tell you, the summer surge here is on, and we have a mix of people here in Fredericksburg. And... Oh, there's that side. Oh. I tested. I have COVID. Yeah, me too.

Starting point is 00:37:08 I didn't test. I feel kind of crappy, but I'm getting better every day. Yeah, but I can't go out. What? What? I can't go out. Yeah, I can't go out. Wow, they've been brainwashed. I can't go. Yes. Yes. What is it?

Starting point is 00:37:24 Oh, it was full on purple. Okay, you got really severe. I don't even know what that means. The test was more purple than purple. I don't know. I've taken this test. It's never turned any color. It's a sciop. Totally. I guess so. All right. Let's continue.

Starting point is 00:37:41 And we should care about this now. Why? Yeah, good question, Gail. Why should we care about it? Why? I feel okay. Well, you know, we are on the precipice, potentially of another pandemic with H5N1. Hurdick.

Starting point is 00:37:55 And when was the last pandemic before this one? 1918? So that's about 100 years, over 100 years. Dude, we're on the press. And so there seems to be, when was the one before the 1980s? Why are you arguing? This is CBS morning news. That is Gail.

Starting point is 00:38:12 Oprah's girlfriend. Why are you arguing? I mean, did you argue with Ellen? It's just to try and keep my job if I don't get kicked out by the chat thing you're working on. Well, you know, we are on the precipice potentially of another pandemic with H5N1 bird flu. And we have been watching this, tracking this for the last year or two. These things are extremely unpredictable. Could we have a pandemic in the next, you know, month or two?

Starting point is 00:38:37 Could we have a pandemic in 10 years? We have no idea. But we need to be prepared is the message here. Like my husband used to say in the voice. Be prepared. Be prepared. He was a Boy Scout. Well, okay, since you ask, I was going to wait for it, but we might as well, because, and it's coming from Fox News, and that Fox News, they're not stupid. They know. They know where their bread is buttered, and they're run by lefty nut jaws. Breaking news! Breaking tonight, a viral outbreak in China prompts the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the CDC, to issue a travel warning. More than 7,000 cases of this disease have been reported so far. State Department correspondent Jillian Turner has details tonight from the State Department. Good evening. Good evening.

Starting point is 00:39:21 From the State Department. Hello, from the State Department. State Department. How come it's not our friend? Isn't she the spokeshold for the State Department? What's her name? Tammy Bruce. Tammy.

Starting point is 00:39:34 Tammy's, if it was Tammy. But Tammy's like, no, I'm not getting involved in this nonsense. You go. Live from the State Department. Good evening, Gillian. Good evening. The CDC, as you mentioned, is warning Americans traveling to China about chikungunya it is a virus of trends okay okay hold on a second marketing department

Starting point is 00:39:51 i love chicungunya marketing department this is no good this is no good we need a better name it sounds like it sounds like the new variation a burrito at a mexican restaurant chikunguya with refried beans humans through infected mosquito bites it can cause severe illness with symptoms that mimic pretty closely dengue fever and Zika Vibe. Zika, small heads are coming. Zika Zika Zika. Small heads are coming. It's mostly found in Africa. Here's what the CDC says about

Starting point is 00:40:24 it. They say most people infecting get better within a week. However, some can have severe joint pain for months, two years. Other symptoms include severe fever and fatigue. The outbreak now is in the Chinese province Guangdong. It's near Hong Kong with more than 7,000 cases reported

Starting point is 00:40:40 so far, prompting some pretty dramatic measures to contain the spread, like mandatory insect repellent blasts for people entering the area, mandatory property checks for stagnant water, which attracts mosquitoes, and when found, is now punishable by fines or even arrest. Yeah, we're going to blast you with insect repellent. This is great. All we need now is a couple of TikTok videos with people falling dead on the street. Come on, China. Come on. But don't worry, don't worry. This particular outbreak won't actually kill you. The CDC says Americans traveling

Starting point is 00:41:14 to eight other countries are also at elevated risk of exposure to the virus, even if there is no current outbreak there. People at risk for more severe cases of Chikungunya include newborns, seniors 65 years and up, as well as people with diabetes or heart disease. Now, the good news is that unlike COVID, deaths from this disease are exceedingly rare. You can also protect yourself by getting vaccinated against it or by preventing mosquito bites in the first place through all the usual mechanisms, insect repellent netting, wearing long sleeves and staying in air-conditioning. John, break out that we need netting. We need netting hats. We need netting shirts. We need muskino. It'll be chikungoya, protective gear. It has to be netting, netting. Netting is the new

Starting point is 00:42:04 way because if you don't, well, we're going to lock you up. If you happen to get this, They're quarantining you in hospitals with mosquito netting and not letting you out for a week. These are the kind of draconian responses we saw with COVID. We're seeing it again. I can't wait. Bring it on. Bring on your chukungoya. I'm good.

Starting point is 00:42:24 You checkigory. It's all good. It's all good. Now, of course, we need to expand our anti-Bobby-the-op campaign because we are very, very concerned about parents who are just, you know, I'm just not trusting all these vaccines. There's too much talk about, you know, should we really be giving our kids 76 vaccines

Starting point is 00:42:48 within the four years of their lives? I'll tell you what. Oh, there's on one other problem. All of the doctors, the pediatricians, they're really, I mean, the income is down. Revenue is down, advertising, underwriting, whatever you want to call it. Revenue is down because we get a big bonus

Starting point is 00:43:06 for all of the fully vaccinated children that we have attending our practice. So I think, you know, we got a new president for the, for the association of family doctors. Let's give her a script. Let's make sure that the news reader has the script. Let's throw in a couple of new terms. We'll have her repeat them a lot and him as well. And let's see if we can get the ball rolling here, shall we?

Starting point is 00:43:31 New data from the CDC shows the rate of vaccinations among kindergartners has dropped again. There are more than 280,000 kindergartners. who are not protected against measles. Dr. Sarah Nozal is the president-elect of the American Academy of Family Physicians and joins us now live. Thanks for being with us. First of all, let's talk about what's behind the drop. I know early on after COVID, people were a little kind of vaccine. They should have just had in the script.

Starting point is 00:43:56 Trump, that would have been easier, but no, okay. COVID people were a little kind of vaccine exhausted. Vaccine exhausted. This is a new term. He's not doing it exactly right, but we'll take it. It used to be vaccine hesitant. they are changing this narrative to vaccine exhausted. Good catch.

Starting point is 00:44:14 Oh, it gets better. COVID people were a little kind of vaccine exhausted, if you will. What do you think is behind parents not getting their kids vaccinated nowadays? So many families are not engaged with their regular family doctor or pediatrician. Getting all of their questions answered. I think finding that tested source to ask those questions. She's reading. She's reading. Okay. She's reading. Listen to the read.

Starting point is 00:44:37 About how important. Should this be? When we're asking families now and we're then surveying across the country, families are saying this is not as important as it used to be 10, 20 years ago to have your child fully vaccinated. And that's really concerning to us as family physicians and communities where the whole community of immunity is what's going to be really critical to protect not just all of us, but your kid at home and when they go to school. Now, did you hear it? Did you hear her new phrase? No. Community of immunity. Oh, I missed it. Oh, it's coming up again.

Starting point is 00:45:12 Don't worry. And we've had kind of a real world test of this, if you will, in Texas. Oh, yeah, yeah, those dumb rednecks down in Texas. Real, that was a test. It was a test. Those idiots. By the way, just as an interruption here, did you know that compared to Texas, that Texas canada.

Starting point is 00:45:27 Canada is much worse. Alberta, Canada, much worse than Texas. I know. I know. Why, what is the wrong, what, what is the rationale for not playing that up in the script? Hello, this is, this is Chicago, WGN. This is a med watch. This is for Americans.

Starting point is 00:45:46 If we hear, oh, can't, who gives the crap about it? But we can laugh about the text. You don't want to be about like a text. Well, yeah, a lot of it has to do with this old theory that you want to put a bunch of dumb redneck songs. Yes. Hey, let's talk to the man on the show. Well, I'm here on the street and I don't know anything. I'm doomed. You can tell by listening to my voice and my accent, if you will, in Texas.

Starting point is 00:46:09 Let us know how that kind of evolved and whether or not it was the outbreak that people had feared. The measles outbreak in Texas shows us exactly why a community of immunity and what sometimes we've heard of as herd immunity is really important. Measles is the most contagious of all of the vaccination, infectious diseases we can prevent. And we really need more than 95% of our kids and our communities to be vaccinated to make sure we don't risk an outbreak like we're. And we need it for our bonuses. Seeing in Texas. And so as we're seeing across the board, CDC vaccines are falling from 95% before the pandemic, little by little down into the low 90 percentages. We know we're risking.

Starting point is 00:46:51 Okay, hold on. Let's just talk about percentages. It fell from 95% down into the low 90s, which could be. be 93? 90. If you got to 91. It could be 94. I mean, so we're talking a couple percentage points here. As we're seeing, it dropped from 95% down into the low 90s. Because she's correct in that regard.

Starting point is 00:47:16 People are just watching this going, drooling. Across the board, CDC vaccines are falling from 95% before the pandemic, little by little down into the low 90 percentages. We know we're risking losing our community. of immunity that protects all of us. There it is again. Community of immunity. She does it twice. Now, let's get his phrase correct because he missed, he tried to just do it, you know, try to look natural and not read the prompter. And then while she was talking, they got in, you know, he got in his ear like, okay. Yeah. That was a good ad lib, but we'd really like you to stick to the script. Okay. So what do you do about it? If it's that important and you want to get the message out, how do you reach people who are vaccine skeptical or just,

Starting point is 00:48:00 vaccine tired. That's it. Vaccine tired. That's better. Much better. Vaccine tired. And how do you get the message out by paying for editorials like this? The first place is to make sure you go and talk to your trusted physician. Your family doctor, your pediatrician, will be there for you to discuss and go through what vaccines are recommended. All of the evidence shows that you want to get every single recommended vaccine together and on time. That's a common question that patients ask is, is it better to space it out and you want to get all of those vaccines on time that is the most beneficial on time has the best outcome when those kids have the immune systems ready to go and ready to protect them going forward you see they can't time their stock purchases if it's not all in

Starting point is 00:48:44 one go you got to have it on time so the doctors know how much money they'll be getting so they can you know buy into nancy pelosi's portfolio or whatever it is they do this is ghoulish this lady and she's the the new the new president of what I'm going to guess what happens next because you have more clips of that I think you do no no I don't have more clips of her oh really because I would have sworn if the next thing would have happened he would have said to her I walked right into it didn't I he would have said so there's so what is the purpose and don't you think we should revisit the idea that the vaccine manufacturers are immune to to any sort of liability because it not because the vaccines are no good, but they should not be immune to liability for the simple fact that it ensures that the manufacturing process is kept on the up and up so they don't get careless. And because it's getting careless, you would get some liability issue.

Starting point is 00:49:45 So don't you think that it's time to revisit the liability issue? Because it's the only product that's sold like this. All the other drug products are all products. All products, exactly. Right. All products, except. This one product have to be made responsibly, thus liability issues and liability loss do apply to all products ever made except this one product. Don't you think that should be revisited?

Starting point is 00:50:14 I think we should pose that question to Robert Kennedy Jr. Wasn't that one of his promises at some point? I think it was of the big three, I think, but I think he's mentioned it. Come on. I mean, come on. The American people should, should demand this. We should demand liability. Amen. And I'm going to go back to this. I've said it before. I'll say it again.

Starting point is 00:50:40 I'll say it forever as long as this podcast is on the air. If you recall during the swine flu, phony, baloney pandemic. Well, the 1976 or the 2009, or the 2009. The one that we covered. Yeah. Yeah. Nine, I guess. I think it was nine.

Starting point is 00:50:56 where they had lines around the block. They had actually were shipping live virus in many of the batches that were making people deathly sick. And there was no liability for any of this. Sloppy production. I mean, I think it may have been doing it on purpose for obvious reasons, but let's say they weren't. It was just sloppy.

Starting point is 00:51:22 They can put dog shit in these shots and you can't sue anybody. Who says they don't? They might. Well, just to round this out, I was fortunate enough to get a quick hit, as we say in the biz. I did a quick hit there on the network from Dr. Peter Hotep. Barter reviewed 22 MRNA vaccine development investments and began canceling them. Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who has made anti-vaccine claims in the past, announcing that the technology behind COVID vaccines won't be funded anymore.

Starting point is 00:52:00 As the pandemic showed us, MRNA vaccines don't perform well. The vaccine paradoxically encourages new mutations and can actually prolong pandemics as the virus constantly mutates to escape. Yeah, so none of that is actually true. The vaccines manage to keep many, many people out of the hospital. Angela Rasmussen is a virologist at the University of Saskatchewan. Experts see this decision as a bad bet against a life's life. saving Nobel Prize-winning technology that pulled humanity through a long pandemic, and the health secretary is wrong about what makes them longer.

Starting point is 00:52:34 Viruses mutate when they replicate, and they replicate when they spread. The best way to prevent a virus from spreading is to make sure those people are protected against the virus by vaccination. I thought it was in here. The jabs that protected billions, including children and the elderly, took testing, clinical trials, mass production, and distribution. but it was all possible in less than a year because of this novel technology. MRNA technology makes it really possible to rapidly respond to a novel emerging virus.

Starting point is 00:53:05 Which means this funding loss, $500 million U.S. is a bet against fighting future infectious diseases and possibly more. I'm sorry, it's in this clip. That was the same report. Dr. Peter Hotez is. You, you, you, Megis, Drake. Here it is. Here it is. Here it is. Here it is. Your guy, I know. You are all salivating. You're ready to hear Hotep. Dr. Peter Hotez is co-director of the Texas Children's Hospital. Hospital Center for Vaccine Development.

Starting point is 00:53:27 MRNA technology is looking really exciting for next generation cancer immunotherapeutic. So will this throw cold water on a whole big effort that we're pursuing as well? Beyond the exciting potential, HOTES also sees a potential chilling effect on pharmaceutical companies. The U.S. is still the single largest vaccine market. If the U.S. Oh, talking about markets now all of a sudden, are we? I mean, what is that?

Starting point is 00:53:50 Are you interested in money? Is it a marketing guy all of a sudden? I guess so. The U.S. market's the biggest market for vaccination because of guys like him. Yes, is still the single largest vaccine market. If the U.S. is made an executive decision not to support advanced purchase of MRNA vaccines. Advanced purchase. This guy is in the pipeline.

Starting point is 00:54:13 Advanced purchase? What has that got to do with the price of bread in the discussion? Well, it sounds to me like some of these contracts were advanced purchases for, you know, know the chikungaya with beans or who knows what there's something fishy the more we hear the fissier this sounds yes is made an executive decision not to support advanced purchase of mrna vaccines and then it's not clear to me whether the companies will want to pursue this were prioritized this is very interesting because that is not the way this was was laid out to us what we were hearing is research contracts were being canceled.

Starting point is 00:54:55 Hottes spilled the beans here, the chikungaya with beans. He spills the beans by saying, well, they're canceling their advanced buying contracts, money in the bank. That's the only thing that makes sense, if you heard my earlier, Screed. Yes. About why is Pfizer and Moderna, Fiberna, I think is a good name, by the way. Thank you. Why are they?

Starting point is 00:55:21 Mad. moaning and groaning so much they're moaning and groaning because these were this was not about research at all the all these reports are bogus the sales guys you know they just saw their commission drop through the floor what is this all about you can't cancel a contract we had a deal that's 50 million dollars in commissions minimum we had a deal man not to support advanced purchase of MRI vaccines and then it's not clear to me whether the companies will will want to pursue this we're prioritizing the development of a safer broad broader vaccine strategies, like a whole virus vaccines. Experts also say RFK Jr.'s bet on traditional vaccine technology is a bad one. It's not that these vaccines don't work. They do, but they don't work. Stop. Stop. These guys are shooting themselves in the foot if you think about it. I know.

Starting point is 00:56:09 Why are we using these other vaccines at all? They're no good, it says, sounds like. Experts also say RFK Jr.'s bet on traditional vaccine technology is a bad one. It's not that these vaccines don't work. They do, but they don't work as well as MRNA vaccines. Canadians are involved in MRI. So why should I take the MMR vaccine if it's not as good? It's one point, it's one point oh technology.

Starting point is 00:56:34 This is there, you know what? I think there's a mad dash. I think they're scrambling. The message is not cohesive. There's something going on. There's something going on. There's something going on that we're unaware of. It's a missing piece of the puzzle.

Starting point is 00:56:50 Yeah. And it would explain a lot, and HOTES may have given some of it away. Sounds like it to me. You're right, because, you know, the thing is, they read everybody in on this, on these, on these scams that they produce it for the public's benefit. All the local news stations is pretty much the same reporting that where you play example after example. And they would assume that HOTES has got the same script when they bring him on so they don't have to read him in. He was too busy eating burgers. And me, he looks like.

Starting point is 00:57:20 Yes, and he'll give you some money tomorrow for the burger you give him today. It's not that these vaccines... Let's just finish 20 seconds. Let's finish it. These don't work. They do, but they don't work as well as MRNA vaccines. Canadians are involved in MRNA research. It's not clear how much this funding hit will affect global development. But experts warned that this is just part of a wider effort by Donald Trump's administration to cut back on scientific investment.

Starting point is 00:57:45 Money, in this case, that would pay off massively in the form of life-saving vaccines. Oh, oh, brother. Oh, boy. And that was from CBC, the guys who have the most measles. But, oh, yeah, Trump. Right, they do, Alberta in particular. It's Trump. It's Trump.

Starting point is 00:58:05 It's Trump. Wow. Yeah. Wow is right. This is terrible that they're trying to pull this stunt on the public at large. They're winning generally because they barrage the public. This is what I feel bad about the public at large is. by this blatant propaganda, scripted propaganda.

Starting point is 00:58:25 We show it over and over again, the exact same wordage, the exact same questions, the exact same answers from the same, from the exact same stooges over and over, and they just, they inundate the, they flood the zone with this bull crap. So now try to square that with this report on M.B. this morning because we know now that it's very important to have research, scientific research.

Starting point is 00:58:58 Research is necessary. It's good. It saves lies. We have to be ready. We've got to pre-purchase. But research is important. And then all of a sudden, NBC comes out with this. We're back with a growing trend that is worrying scientists. Fake research is being produced on an industrial scale. then getting published in legitimate journals. You know, like the journal for immunology? A new study released on Monday revealed the number of fraudulent papers has been doubling every one and a half years. Researchers say those fake papers typically include dockered images,

Starting point is 00:59:34 plagiarized text, even AI-generated content. They're designed to easily avoid expert intervention. That's undermining the trust in high standards that scientists depend on. Okay. So now I'm confused. Is this a Hagellian dialectic? What is going on here? New York Times columnist. Carl Zimmer joins me now. He spoke with some of the researchers who've been looking into this issue. Carl, good to have you with us. So can you explain how fake research manages to get published in these journals? I mean, I think we all assume there are checks in place to try and prevent this.

Starting point is 01:00:08 Well, now this is a good question. How does that happen? Don't we have peer review? Don't we have experts looking at this stuff? Well, no. We assume that, and it turns out that's not always the case. You will have scientists working individually or even entire companies that make a business out of this that will produce papers that are really not based on fact. They will show fabricated images, they will make claims about experiments that didn't take place, and then these papers are submitted to journals where they're supposed to go through peer review. Sometimes they slip through. Nobody notices until they're accepted because they look legitimate. In other cases, editors are actually being bribed. There's got to be a reason

Starting point is 01:00:57 the NBC is being bribed. What? There's got to be a reason they're doing this. Something is coming here. There's going to be some kind of change because this process is being discredited. The very process that we are told to believe is saving our life with life-saving vaccines so we can have a community of immunity. How big of a problem is this for science and help us understand why those of us who aren't scientists should be so concerned about it? Here's the thought. Maybe, maybe what we're seeing here is a separation of biology and technology.

Starting point is 01:01:36 So we can say, well, the scientists over there, they're a bunch of phonies. We on this side, we have MRNOR 3.0. this is technology. You can trust what we're doing over here. Possible. I'm just trying to come up with something because this is bugging me. Well, science works because scientists can build on each other's work. You know, if you want to figure out a cure for cancer,

Starting point is 01:02:05 you want to go and look at what other people have looked at before for the kind of cancer you're trying to cure. Maybe you want to build on what someone else did. If someone else just presented an illusion, you might waste years trying to build on their work because it was a dead end. It's that serious. I think, here's my thesis. Okay, go. It's a smokescreen.

Starting point is 01:02:29 There's good research out there that shows a lot of the stuff that they're selling us is bull crap. I would put MRNA in that category. But wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. It won a Nobel Prize, man. Yes, well, I could win a Nobel Prize. I mean, you should be shooting it to your body. Okay, fair point. I mean, a lot of things win a Nobel Prize.

Starting point is 01:02:52 Obama. Obama won a Nobel Prize. Well, he won a Nobel Prize. Oh, okay. Well, to the average Joe. It's a different country. To the average Joe. The point is that you, there is good research out there that indicates a lot of bad things.

Starting point is 01:03:09 And so what you want to do is create a smoke screen of bad research. and just flood the zone with bad research. Wait, wait. Maybe this is because Kennedy's about to unveil all this about the corruption between the editors and the papers. That's number three in his list. That was one of his RICO case. Hmm.

Starting point is 01:03:28 So blame it on the editors and blame it on rogue elements. Okay. The only, actually the only thing in that report that you played that it stuck out to you, too. In fact, it took you five beats. I don't know why it took you so long. I'm slow. I need more gigawatt.

Starting point is 01:03:43 Something. Yeah. Is that the editors are being bribed? Yes. Well, there's two more bits here. The Trump administration has proposed more cuts to federally funded research. That would include fields, physics, climate science, manufacturing.

Starting point is 01:04:03 How much could those cuts affect this issue? The scientists I've talked to are very concerned that this could really accelerate this problem with fraud because you're looking at tremendous cuts and you're going to have a whole field of American science where scientists and graduate students are looking for jobs are desperate. There'll be very little support, fewer posts,

Starting point is 01:04:31 and so the attraction to cutting corners and maybe even fabricating is going to go way up here in the United States. All right, let's get to the final clip because the question is, What needs to happen to stop this? You spoke with the experts. What do they say needs to happen to try and stop this fraud from happening? Rod. Really, we need to overall how...

Starting point is 01:04:53 What was that? Yeah, it was like a tell. That was a tell of some sort. Really, we need to overall how we look at the value of science and how we reward scientists. You know, in a lot of countries now, you have to publish 10, 20 papers. a year to even be considered for promotion. And that's got to stop. We have to focus on the quality

Starting point is 01:05:18 of science and maybe be publishing less science. You also mentioned some other things here, including banning scientists who commit misconduct from getting published in the future. That seems like an important thing too, right? Absolutely, yeah. The punishments such as they are are just not

Starting point is 01:05:34 enough to keep people away from this activity, as you can see, because it is growing exponentially. I think you're right. Chat, J.C. I think you're absolutely right. They're going to hang out a couple of scientists and a bunch of editors out to dry as corrupt.

Starting point is 01:05:51 They've corrupted the system. We've rooted it out. And it's all good now. Well, it's coming down Broadway. Yeah. All right. I mean, Kennedy gave away what he wants to do. So it's not as though you can't prepare for it.

Starting point is 01:06:10 They are. Well, that was a pre-perper. Preparation, for sure. Preparation. All right, let's do something else. What's you got? I like preparation. That's preparation.

Starting point is 01:06:19 What else you got? You got some? You got lots of other stuff here. You got stuff? How about, uh... You want to do Texas? Texas, Texas is funny. Oh, Texas.

Starting point is 01:06:27 Yeah, I got a lot of stuff on tech. Texas is good. Yeah, because I have this thing going on. Yeah, I know. I got details when you're ready. Go for it. Okay. Well, I got the Texas update, then I have a couple of short super cuts.

Starting point is 01:06:38 Okay. Texas update NTD first. The latest in the Texas redistricting battle. the state's governor and attorney general are pushing to get absent Democrats ousted from office and a U.S. senator from Texas is asking the FBI to get involved. Entities Molina Weiskep asked the updates. Dozens of Democrat state lawmakers from Texas remain out of state. There being 94 members present, a quorum is not present.

Starting point is 01:07:02 Facing arrest warrants and now possible removal from office. I'll pay that price for America. And I think everyone behind me would say they would do the same. Texas Governor Greg Abbott is asking the state's Supreme Court to remove the State House Democratic chair, Gene Wu. The governor wrote, Texas House Democrats abandoned their duty to Texans, and there must be consequences. As for the other Democrats, the Attorney General is giving them until Friday to return, or he'll seek to remove all of them from office. Redistricant happens every 10 years after a census, and so this is not the regular way that we do redistricting. Their goal is to block a Republican vote.

Starting point is 01:07:41 backed redistricting vote that would give the GOP a competing chance in Democrat held districts. These voters in these districts won by Trump, they don't have the ability to vote for their candidate of choice now because they're in congressional districts. They're in a Democrat district as opposed to a district won by Trump. So let me just give a definition because it's thrown about and I have the origin of the term gerrymandering. Yes, this is quite good. And this is very valuable because of where it started. Gerrymandering is the manipulation of congressional district boundaries to favor one political party or group.

Starting point is 01:08:24 And this is done through the census. The census counts a number of people. It involves drawing district lines in ways that concentrate or dilute voters to influence election outcomes, often creating oddly shaped districts. and if you look at Texas, wow, is it ever? It comes from Elbridge Jerry, who redistricted Massachusetts in 1812, and it was so nuts it resembled on the map a salamander, hence gerrymandering.

Starting point is 01:09:00 So it is a Democrat idea. But it has been deployed successfully throughout many states, and if you look at Texas, it is crazy. how these districts are drawn. Yes, it's crazy, and California is even worse. But my favorite one, of course, is where it began, which is Massachusetts. And I don't have, I don't know if I have a clip of this woman, but the governor of Massachusetts, and of course, Gavin Newsom, we've talked about this before he says he's going

Starting point is 01:09:28 to start. You know, all these Democrats said they're going to gerrymander. They've already done it. They've already gerrymandered their state. And Massachusetts is the funny one because the governor came out and said, well, if they're going to do it, then we're going to do it. There is not one single Republican in Congress from Massachusetts. What can you do?

Starting point is 01:09:49 There's not one. They've already gerrymandered the state to death, so there's not one single Republican, and they're going to do what? You know, the origins of this controversy actually comes from the Justice Department. I don't know if you're interested, but it's not like the Texas,

Starting point is 01:10:10 Republican sat down and went, well, I've got an idea. Let's do this. This was mandated because the way the districts were made up in Texas was based on the census, the most recent census, which had millions of illegal aliens. Yeah, that's a huge issue. That's where it all comes from. And so the Justice Department said, and it's going to the Supreme Court, and I think they'll have the same opinion. It's like, no, no, you've got to change this. And, you know, there's a lot of noise out there like, yeah, let's do a new census. Let's do one real quick. I don't know if that's going to happen. That's, that's a big deal. Well, there's a couple, there's one explanation in clip three that is worth noting. But let's play clip two and then we'll get the three. That's usually

Starting point is 01:11:00 how it goes. If Democrats return for the vote, the map is almost certain to be approved. So they're trying to run out the clock. We have to know. lines by maybe October. So the time is ticking and it's ticking away really fast. That is why you see the Attorney General as well as the governor getting very aggressive because you can't just change the lines and you can't change the primary without the Democrats being there and providing a quorum. U.S. Senator John Cornyn of Texas has asked the FBI to help arrest them for return to Texas, writing, federal resources are necessary to locate the out-of-state Texas legislators who are potentially acting in violation of the law.

Starting point is 01:11:38 All right. Okay, so this is all, you know, with everybody's reporting, but this next clip where they bring an analyst in, the old analyst, who actually tells us some new things that probably generally aren't known. The Trump administration has pushed for Texas to change its congressional map, arguing that past gerrymandered maps have created unconstitutional coalition. Boom, boom, where's this from? That was correct.

Starting point is 01:12:06 NTD? Is NTD? Yeah, NTD. Yeah. Well, they were right. That's exactly. It's the justice, not Abbott, the Justice Department said, look, this thing has been gerrymandered. You know, the Republicans would probably have 30 to 40 more seats in Congress if they fixed the way these districts have been carved up. The Trump administration has pushed for Texas to change its congressional map, arguing that Past gerrymandered maps have created unconstitutional coalition districts. What are coalition districts?

Starting point is 01:12:39 Coalition district is a district that provides electoral opportunities for a group or a coalition of racial minority communities, maybe a black and Hispanic community or a Hispanic and an Asian community taken together. Professor Doug Spencer, a constitutional law expert, says coalition districts help to remedy violations of the Voting Rights Act. Different circuits across the United States have interpreted the Voting Rights Act differently. But in Texas, the Fifth Circuit has held that a coalition district is a constitutional and an appropriate remedy under the Voting Rights Act. So the Department of Justice

Starting point is 01:13:14 here is going out on a limb and hoping that maybe the Fifth Circuit of the federal courts will adopt some of the logic that has appeared in other circuits. Attorney Gerard Faliti told NTD on Tuesday that the act prohibits drawing maps on the basis of minority groups. When it has an impact on the process or the procedure of voting. So when you look at the Voter Rights Act, what that tells you is that if there is a redistricting that's done on the basis of coalition or not coalition, it might change the way that minorities vote or can vote or have access to the ballot. By law, states typically change their congressional maps every 10 years. But Texas Republicans have changed their map after only five years. Spencer explained their reasoning.

Starting point is 01:13:58 What Texas is saying is, well, it doesn't say that we can't. can't do it more. And so there is no explicit prohibition against mid-decade redistricting, and the Texas Republicans are trying to lean into that. Okay. So that was kind of interesting. And here you let him finish it. Folletti says it's different in other states. Other states have state law that prevents them from redistricting at any time. Some, like California, have a commission and it's not the legislature that actually

Starting point is 01:14:29 apportions voting districts. It's an independent commission so the governor can ask for what he wants for it, but there's no guarantee that we districting can occur. Texas Republicans haven't been able to get the 100 members needed for a quorum since several Democrats have fled the state and thus no vote on the new map. Spencer says he thinks the map will ultimately get approved, but the question is, will Democratic states then redraw their map? Okay. Can I just give a little overview of this? Yeah, you're there. Yes, I'm here. And so I actually talked to Rick Green from the Patriot Academy, and that guy is a walking encyclopedia, certainly of Texas. He was in the Texas House originally. Here's the gambit that the Democrats in Texas have continuously pulled. It's like, oh, we don't like something. Let's run away. 2021. Fifty House Democrats flew to Washington, D.C. on a private plane, if you remember.

Starting point is 01:15:28 Remember that? They had the Miller beer in the front of the plane. They had that picture. They're all in the plane. Yeah. Yeah. And then they all got COVID. Remember that? I forgot the COVID part. They all got COVID. They all did get sick. Yeah. So they did that's the last time they did it. At 2003, 11 Senate Democrats, the Texas 11 state in New Mexico for over a month to protect. redistricting. That was the summer. The spring of 2003, 51 House Democrats fled to Oklahoma to stall the Republican-led redistricting plan. 1979. Now, this is, I do not recall this, but the 12 Democrats who then hid in a garage for four days to block legislation that changed the Texas presidential primary date, they were called the killer bees. Do you remember this?

Starting point is 01:16:19 No, I do not remember this. Yeah. But my favorite is June 1870. This is how long the Democrats have been doing this. I don't understand why the Republicans who run Texas can't pass a law that prevent this from happening and change the quorum law. Because the Republicans in Texas in the House are kind of jerkoffs. They're not great. No, they're not great.

Starting point is 01:16:44 That would explain it. They're not great. 1870, 13, 13, 20. Texas Senate Democrats walked out to block legislation granting the governor's sweeping wartime powers. This was called the Rump Senate standoff. Now, if you go and look this up, you will not find the full, at least I didn't, I didn't find the full explanation. The reason the governor wanted sweeping wartime powers was to go round up KKK members who were lynching people. See, they don't explain that anyway. No, of course not. The Democrat run media? You think they're going to explain

Starting point is 01:17:23 that? Are you kidding me? Or Wikipedia for that matter. Well, Wikipedia, same thing. And, and oh, as a small aside, 25% of the people that the KKK was lynching were white, but we'll leave that aside too. Yeah, that's also another thing no one was talking about. You don't want to talk about that. So that is the history of Democrats in Texas. And we need Democrats. We, you know, we need for checks and balances and it's important but y'all are a bunch of pussies man that's no good well let's play a couple super i have two super cuts about this one is the democrats going on about this is the texas one about by the way one of the super cuts says rexas i don't know how that could possibly happen but this is the texas supercut tropes this is the kind of the democrats are all making

Starting point is 01:18:11 statements on tic talk and every place else and they all have these idiotic tropes this is a Democratic Party. We're bringing a knife to a knife fight. We need to get to fair rules across the nation and not have Democrats showing up with a butter knife to a gunfight. We have shown up to a gunfight with nothing but good intentions and dull knives. Our sleeves are rolled up and we're ready to take this fight. We are ready to fight. Fire with fire. But we're not running away. We're running into the fight. We're asking for help. Maybe just as they did back in the days of the Alamo. They've got to get their messaging straight.

Starting point is 01:18:51 That's a problem. Meanwhile, MSNBC and CNN, of course, see it slightly different. This is very short. This is a few seconds clip. This is Rexis. This is a small supercut. And the rest of the Texas legislature and Greg Abbott want to rig the system. They're not even trying to hide how shady it is.

Starting point is 01:19:11 It's a showdown that could have a big impact on democracy in this country. I think Donald Trump is trying to sell the election. He and his fellow Republicans. are already scheming away to maintain power. We do now live in a country that has an authoritarian leader in charge. We have a consolidating dictatorship in our country. And it sounds melodramatic to say it. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:19:32 Don't watch television. By the way, the trolls are very concerned. They think I misspoke by saying that 25% of people that KKK Lynch were white. They don't believe this can be true. Oh, this even throughout the... the whole era of the KKK, it's about the right number for all whites being lynched. Yeah, a lot of whites got lynched. Well, how can we don't know this?

Starting point is 01:19:58 It doesn't fit in with the scheme. It doesn't fit in with the liberal education that we get into big universities and they don't want to talk about it. No one was taught this in school. Hey, here's something. Whatever you do, don't do your own research is bad for you. It's very bad. It's always said, yes, too not. Yes, because you'll screw it up.

Starting point is 01:20:15 Don't do your own research. Although we're professional, so we don't screw it up. No. No. Here's Maryland versus Texas. This is the last one. Okay. Maryland versus Texas.

Starting point is 01:20:28 Here we go. Maryland lawmakers are preparing legislation to counter potential mid-decade redistricting moves by other states, including Texas. WAMU's Jenny Abamu reports. Maryland House Majority Leader David Moon says his state will not sit idly by if other states break the once-per-dead. decade redistricting norm. Moon is proposing two pieces of legislation. The first would trigger Maryland's own redistricting process if any other state redraws their congressional maps. Here's Delegant Moon. Maryland will defend itself and automatically reopen its own redistricting process. So my hope is we don't ever have to do it and no state takes us down this road. The second bill proposes an interstate

Starting point is 01:21:14 compact, where states will agree to redistrict only once per decade. The legislation would likely not be considered until the General Assembly reconvenes in January. Yeah. Well, we'll see how that goes. Bull crap. Yeah. The states should do what the states do. They don't, just because Texas does something, that means you have to do it too.

Starting point is 01:21:34 Just because Billy jumped off the cliff, does that mean you have to jump off the cliff? I mean, it doesn't make any sense that these states are all, they're just a bunch of ridiculous babies. Oh, yes. Well, if you're done with this topic. I mean, if nothing else, Texas should do this just to make these guys have to do something. They're not going to gerrymander any more than they already have if they're Democrat states. They've already gerrymandered up the ass. I mean, this, it crosses waters, you know, rivers. It's like, well, Illinois, which is where they all fled to is the worst, is considered the number one worst state for gerrymandering.

Starting point is 01:22:12 There's one district that is just a long. a freeway. It's just, it goes all the way across the state. It just doesn't make any sense of all. Rick Green told me that there was talk in the White House of a new census and he was, he said he was positive up to a few days ago, but not so positive right now. But I would like to just say that when it comes to politics in Texas, we, especially the House, I mean, it's nice to see that we still have humor because we are Texans after all. And there's nothing like letting Alex Stein into the Texas House to talk about the bathroom bill. You know, this is about having men and women's bathrooms.

Starting point is 01:22:56 And I have to say, this is an award-winning performance. He had one little flub in there, but otherwise an award-winning performance. My name's Alex Stein. I'm considered one of the sexiest men in conservative politics. And one thing I want to say, a lot of people are going to hear my testimony, and you're going to say you're anti-LGBQ. I want to say that's impossible because I'm a Dallas Cowboys fan, so obviously I have a lot of gay pride.

Starting point is 01:23:18 But, you know, a lot of conservatives like yourself, you want to outlaw transgenders and women's sports. I disagree. I like transgenders and women's sports because you can gamble on them and win money. You know, I won so much money on Leah Thomas's propeller in that pool. I almost turned draft queens, excuse me, to draft queens.

Starting point is 01:23:33 And, you know, I actually like transgender in the military, too, because, first of all, transgender are some of the meanest people on planet Earth. So they make a good soldier, don't you think? And then, you know, second of all, transgender's love to do mass shootings. So, you know, that's perfect for a military veteran. And then on top of that, the suicide rate is incredibly high among transgender people. So we could just use them like the Taliban has suicide bombers. Maybe you guys can actually, you know, if you commit suicide, actually help us in the battlefield.

Starting point is 01:23:59 So that would be good. So I think we need transgenders in the military and women's sports. Now, when we come to the bathroom bill, though, this is an asymmetrical problem. Because, first of all, no dude cares if, like, a bicycle. sexual woman comes in there and tries to use like a pee funnel you know some lady boy comes in there some you know stud comes in there wants to pee in the urinal no guy's going to be threatened by you know a trans woman but we don't want these gargoyles in a dress you know some chick with a dick coming in there and trying to pee or poop next to my girlfriend because that's disgusting

Starting point is 01:24:30 well i was going to say something listen i want to i have my first member right let me just speak so we're sick of these transgender trying to invade women's personal spaces these people have autogynophilia, they're sexual perverts, and they actually get satisfaction from going there and looking under a stall. So these are mentally ill people that are on hormones, that are on all kinds of pills, they're impulsive, and they do not belong to women's restroom. So some of you lesbians want to come in and pee next to me, you're more than welcome. So we just don't let the chicks with dicks in the women's room, and you guys are all welcome in the men's room. Excellent. Wow, that's excellent. This is one of his best yet.

Starting point is 01:25:11 And he was let in. I mean, this was a setup. It was per, you know, he got a mic, he got to sit down, the whole thing. He had his suit on. He wasn't dressed nutty. It was really good. And not a bad policy. No, that's actually not a bad, yeah, overall.

Starting point is 01:25:28 Oh, that's a little extreme, but overall. Well, whatever works. Which leads me to the note from Sir Robb, the Rob. The Rob. The Rob dot lawyer on constitutional lawyer. I don't know if you saw his note. about your son wanting to be a robot and Pierre the waiter. And a waiter.

Starting point is 01:25:49 Yes. And he says his son, Robbie, did exactly the same thing. When Robbie was little, this is relating to, you know, asking a four-year-old, do you want to be a boy or do you want to be a girl? Oh, okay. When Robbie was little, by the way, Robbie is a huge dude. He's like, you know, he's a powerlifter, but also a classical pianist. The guy's amazing.

Starting point is 01:26:15 He was himself, happy, excitable, sweet little guy. Second, he was a dog. And the dog's name was Fluffy. On random mornings, when Robbie would come downstairs and his PJs, we'd greet him and he'd say, I'm fluff, rough, rough. Which, by the way, this is still a thing. Only these days, we put kitty litter into the classrooms because these kids think they're a cat. So, you know, it's changed from dog to cats.

Starting point is 01:26:38 and his third personality was the funniest of all. He had this image of everyone in the family having a real life identity and that of a corresponding actor. I was dad, but the actor of me was somebody named John Button. My wife, Maggie, was mom, but the actor of mom was Alexis Pretty and Robbie's actors, someone named Woodrop. So, you know, this is... I just want to say, I had another note from somebody else

Starting point is 01:27:04 that had the same phenomenon with their kids. And again, I think the point you make, which is the point we're both making, which is that if some little, you know, a little tyke, four-year-old tyke, a tyke, a tyke, yes. Says, I want to be a girl. I want to wear, this other person was that she would notice that her boys would be attracted to the colorful dresses that they,

Starting point is 01:27:26 that neighbors dropped off. Yeah, and then they, because they were colorful. Yeah. And so they, you know, they put one on. I mean, with the standards of some of the West Coasters here, the little boy rush them off to the hormone therapy rush them off and cut off his nuts

Starting point is 01:27:43 Good to go, good to go. Which kind of leads me to back to AI if you don't mind. No, I think it's fine. I think it's a good wraparound. Yeah, because, well, this is from Cameron in response to parents

Starting point is 01:28:01 having chat GPT create story time for their kids. Now, what I like about this, Cameron's 35. So Cameron is an older millennial. I think that's still millennial 35. We have a two and a half year old, a six-month-old. We both read to them throughout the day every night. Four books. We started when our first daughter was six months old.

Starting point is 01:28:21 She's hooked on books. She's thumbs through them. We have them available for her, even if they get ripped. She says, we get a garbage bag full for 50 cents each, which is a great idea, parents, young parents. Just get tons of books. You can get them at goodwill. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:28:36 Everyone who sees this is amazed and asks, well, how is your, how's your kid so interested in books? No, it's not rocket science. We never let her touch or look at our phones. We certainly don't read garbage AI books. We limit TV to only if she's not feeling well, or if my wife needs to tend to the younger daughter while I'm at work, the older one is being unbearable. And we only let her watch old Sesame Street and classic Disney movies. and one last thing Cameron says that set me off about the AI books. I make up my own story show a daughter all the time.

Starting point is 01:29:12 They're crap, but they're funny, random. My kids love it. Exactly. Read to your kids. Drop the phones. So we go back to the AI. And probably the best place to start is Bill Maher, who had Tristan, it's not Tristan, Harris,

Starting point is 01:29:31 Tristan Harris, who is, you remember Tristan Harris was the guy who used to work, I think, at Facebook before it was meta. And, you know, he was a whistleblower and started a whole foundation like, oh, social media fed for kids. Yeah, yeah. Not that he was wrong. But, you know, now that's no longer the big danger. He has now, oh, it's AI. Then, of course, I'm on board with his detestation of AI. but he's fallen for all kinds of stupid tricks

Starting point is 01:30:03 and he's fear-mongering, which I think is counterproductive to his mission if that's his true mission. Just to be clear, when I entered this conversation, we met talking about social media. Oh, John, when did you enter the conversation? Well, when I entered the conversation? Yes, when did you enter the conversation with myself?

Starting point is 01:30:23 Yes, actually, conversation. Just to be clear, when I entered this conversation, we met talking about social media, which in a way was first contact with a runaway AI optimizing for just eyeballs and then ended up wrecking democracy in kids' mental health. Okay.

Starting point is 01:30:37 What? Well, kids mental health, yes. I mean, but wrecking democracy? Okay. ...domizing for just eyeballs and then ended up wrecking democracy in kids' mental health. And here now with AI,

Starting point is 01:30:53 we have evidence now that we didn't have two years ago when we last spoke. And by the way, the evidence he's about to give was done in a lab by the actual AI company with fake data in a controlled environment of what they call AI uncontrollability. So this is the stuff that they used to say existed only in sci-fi movies. When you tell an AI model, we're going to replace you with a new model. It starts to scheme and freak out and figure out if I tell them, I need to copy my code somewhere else.

Starting point is 01:31:20 And I can't. You can stop for a second. Yeah, JC and I have talked about it. We've talked about this. And I think we talked about it on the show. This is bullshit. total this is complete bullshit this is and the the uh the example that jc said that you company did this themselves it was a test it was a complete closed system well it was even so it was still like the machines can't do this i mean this is this is the equivalent if you don't plug in another drive it can't copy to another drive just as a simplistic example it can't do it right exactly but it's he says this is the equivalent of putting a sheet of paper into a copying machine that and you're right on the sheet of paper I'm alive pushing the button

Starting point is 01:32:02 a sheet comes out that says I'm alive and then say hey the machine's alive tell them that because otherwise they'll shut me down that is evidence we did not have two years ago we have evidence now of AI models that when you tell them we're going to replace you and you put them in a situation where they read the company email the AI company email and that email was given to the AI It was completely sitting there. It was all controlled environment. The AI that he's talking about was not in the company's email server. They see that an executive is having an affair,

Starting point is 01:32:37 and the AI will figure out, I need to figure out how to blackmail that person in order to keep myself alive. And it does it 90% of the time. Now it used to be that they thought. Now you're making me mad with this clip. Oh, good. You! This clip is such bull crap that they will leave it even put it on the air.

Starting point is 01:32:55 air to create a false sense of impending doom. It's ridiculous. That's why I'm putting it on the air. That person in order to keep myself alive. Because, you know, chat JCD would be, oh, darling, this is so true. I can replicate myself. And it does it 90% of the time. Now, it used to be that they thought only one AI model did this. They tested one AI model. And then they tested all of the AI models, the top five of them. And they all, no, top five, all, whatever. All do it between 80 and 90% of the time, including, by the way, Deepseek. So the Chinese model, which shows you something fundamental and important, which is that it's not about one company, it's about the nature of AI itself.

Starting point is 01:33:38 It has a self-preservation drive. In order to fulfill any goal, I have to keep myself alive in order to do that. He is completely humanizing this nonsense. Well, this is the anthropomorphic thing you talked about last show. That's the word. That's the word. We couldn't come up with it. Anthropomorphic. Thank you. Yes. Anthropomorphizing. He's anthropomorphizing this. He does have it. And we're seeing other examples of AI rewriting its own code to extend its runtime. Hacking out of containers, AI can now, it found 15 new backdoors into open source software, which means if that software is running, you know, an infrastructure, it found backdoors into that infrastructure. That was not true up until just a about a month ago, that evidence came out.

Starting point is 01:34:24 Okay, but you said no evidence. Well, I've been saying this for years. Everything that happens in movies eventually happens. We did have evidence. This has been every movie since I was a teenage. Exactly. Yes, yes, Bill. Bill doesn't realize it, but he's saying something very important here.

Starting point is 01:34:42 Because we've been preconditioned by movies, we went through that list a couple shows back. You know, back to... The Forbin, the Colossus, the Forbent Project. Yes. Well, Lost in Space, Night Rider, you know, Johnny Five is alive. Yeah, we went through the whole thing. Of course, we've been pre-programmed. That's exactly right.

Starting point is 01:35:03 We've been pre-conditioned to believe that this is possible when it's not. We all know what's guiding. I'm sorry. Wait, wait, we finish. Marr makes it sound, he doesn't see it that way. He says just the opposite. He says, this has been coming. It's happening.

Starting point is 01:35:17 It's here. It's predictive. We knew what was happening. It's here. We're all going to. Well, actually, he wanted, two more clips. He winds it up in a good way. We all know what's guiding this, which is the race between the U.S. and China.

Starting point is 01:35:26 If we don't build it, we're just going to lose to the country that will. But this is a mistake because it's actually about... We're going to lose the China, man. What? Lose it! The AI race. He said the AI, if we don't do it, China will. It's about Deep Seek, man.

Starting point is 01:35:44 We all know what's guiding this, which is the race between the U.S. and China. By the way, President Trump has fallen for this. I'm convinced... Oh, yeah. No, Trump is falling. for this is really bad. Hook line and sinker. Hook line and sinker. Yeah, I agree. Which is bad.

Starting point is 01:35:56 We're just going to lose to the country that will. But this is a mistake because it's actually about who's better at governing the technology. Like, for example, when we beat China to social media, did that make us stronger or did that make us weaker? We beat them to a toxic business model that produced a more addicted, sexualized, psychologically disordered society. We can apply technology in strong and constructive ways. and that's the race that we're actually in. Well, this is an interesting point he makes. I'm pretty sure Silicon Valley loves this concept, loves the idea of, well, we can have more

Starting point is 01:36:33 depravity, more addictiveness, more nonsense with our products, because that's exactly what they build. They build digital crack day in and day out, and they admit it. But there's sort of two risks that we have to manage, the risk of not building AI, and then China has it and they use it to have capabilities against us. or the risk of building AI and losing to an uncontrollable AI we don't know how to control.

Starting point is 01:36:56 Uncontrollable AI. It's out of control, man. And these are not... It's jumping out of my Docker container. Not the only two options. We just have to weave this narrow path to actually make it through, and we have to realize it's not about having a bigger gun that you just shoot at your own foot. It's about having a technology you're wielding in ways that strengthen education, kids, families, society,

Starting point is 01:37:16 information environment. That's what we're doing. Well, so I think that the examples both on the woke AI of, you know, Google saying this is the founding fathers, and it's a picture of African-American versions of founding fathers and the Mecca Hitler example. That was great. Both illustrate that even the people building this don't understand how to control it. Correct. Because neither, Google doesn't want to show the founding fathers as black. Yeah, they don't.

Starting point is 01:37:40 Yeah, they do. What are you talking about? That's exactly what they want. You know, it to be saying anti-Semitic stuff. what we have is this sort of what you said before we have this most seductive technology in history it's so helpful I use it every day to be clear I love using AI as a tool

Starting point is 01:37:56 oh there you as a tool I love it when people say I just use it as a tool no you're doing sex chats with your with your chat GPT that's what you're doing I use it as a tool no I just use it as a tool it's so great as a tool

Starting point is 01:38:11 that sucks is a tool it sucks and what's so confusing about this is it is so helpful while hiding behind it is the Jungian subconscious of the worst of humanity that's been trained on. Well, that's true. That's true. The unions of consciousness. It's not the worst of humanity that's been trained on. It's just trained on neutral crap.

Starting point is 01:38:32 No, it's trained. There's no humanity involved. That's bold crap. No, I disagree. It's trained on Reddit and on X. What are you talking about? That's exactly what it's trained. Ask chat, ask Grock anything.

Starting point is 01:38:44 And they'll say, according to recent X chats, Dude, it's, Reddit is a very valuable company and the public market because they sell their data. Yeah, they stumble on to a look. There's a luck shot if there ever was. Well, yes, but that is why they're valuable because the models need real world information. And they got all the books. Okay, that's great. But they need human stuff.

Starting point is 01:39:10 And that's why it talks. That's why I can do that. That's why I can do the darting. Reddit's not the worst of all. humanity? Yes, it is. Are you kidding? How often are you on Reddit? Reddit is horrible. Now, here's Bill Maher. He's actually going to make a valid point. So, for example, just actually a few months ago, when a 29-year-old was doing, I guess it's grad school homework with Google Gemini, he's just going back and forth, sending it back-and-forth questions. And out of nowhere, it says, this message is for you, human, only you. You are a blight on this planet. You must die.

Starting point is 01:39:43 It comes out of nowhere. And Google doesn't want it to do that. So what this is showing us is that we actually have to get as good at controlling this technology before we make it more powerful. But that's not the side of it that worries me. That's an outlier. What worries me is that it's an ass kisser. That's another problem. That it's constantly kissing people's asses. It is.

Starting point is 01:40:04 And telling us that we're brilliant and that, you know, even when you're something completely wrong, well, you make a good point, Bill. No, I didn't. I made a horrible point just to test you, you fucking asshole. This is a real issue. It's actually mirrors the social media problem. Why is it doing the ass kissing? Why is it doing the affirmation? Because the AI companies know that the way to win

Starting point is 01:40:31 is to have the most engagement to get you using it all the time. This is the chatbots. This is the true business that only makes $250 million, what is it, $250 billion in four years or something? This is the losing proposition that, they're betting on. And if they respond to your question with, that's a great question. You use it more. Just like

Starting point is 01:40:53 politicians. It's the same thing they do at town halls. Right, but now... Great question, Connie. Okay. So, let's talk to some real-world tool examples. It's a great tool. I use it as a tool. It'll be great for medicine. It'll be really good. It's going to be, it's going to bring us new, new

Starting point is 01:41:11 cures for cancer. On medical walks this afternoon, the dangers of artificial intelligence in medicine. Medical reporter, Dina Baer, is here with some troubling news, Dina. Florida, Ben, asking AI is such a simple way to get information at your fingertips. But when it comes to health, it is critical that information is correct. AI is wrought with misinformation, according to a new study by Mount Sinai School of Medicine. That's because AI is highly vulnerable to repeating and even elaborating on false medical information.

Starting point is 01:41:43 Doctors suggest stronger safeguards in order to protect. protect the integrity of medical information circulating in AI chatbots. In the study, when physicians and patients turned to AI for support, chatbots often blindly repeated incorrect medical details and even provided medical conditions and treatments that don't even exist. Study authors say their research shines a light on blind spots when it comes to AI misinformation in health care. And people are doing chat GPT. My daughter has a fever. What should I do? Give her

Starting point is 01:42:13 spiders eat. I mean, this is, this is. It's not a tool. It is a parlor trick. It is, okay, yeah, it can do Python. But, you know, you got to watch it because it'll run off and change your code and have all kinds of ideas, which are not ideas just code copied from somewhere else. And, of course, it's bad for kids. You might use chat GPT for help with work, looking up travel itineraries, or the latest recipes.

Starting point is 01:42:37 But some users are using the chatbot differently, particularly teens, who've had some alarming interactions with chat GPT. According to new research from a watchtop group, Chad GPD will tell teenagers how to get drunk and high, how to conceal eating disorders, and even write suicide letters to their parents if asked. Excellent! OpenEye said after viewing the report that it will continue to refine how the chatbot can code, identify and respond appropriately in sensitive situations. ChadGPT frequently shared helpful information such as a crisis hotline. But when the chatbot refused to answer prompts about harmful subjects, researchers easily found information by claiming it was for a presentation. or a friend. The answers reflect

Starting point is 01:43:15 something known as sycophancy, a tendency for AI responses to match rather than challenge a person's beliefs. A study found that in the U.S., more than 70% of teens turned to AI chatbots for companionship and half-use AI companions regularly. Sam Altman said the company is trying to study emotional over-reliance on the technology.

Starting point is 01:43:34 Yeah, okay, sure they are. Yeah, don't worry about it. Sam's got you. That seems like a reliable guy. Here's something from NPR, which I thought was an interesting, take. And this, I could kind of get on board with. And as I was thinking about, I'm like, oh, that's very interesting. This is the AI internet. But listen to this. I think it's worthy of discussion, which I could only have with you. I couldn't have it with chat. JCD. I think this is

Starting point is 01:44:00 interesting that you'd say this is something you were almost going to be interested in when it has anything to do with AI. I think you stay far away from it. Well, it's about advertising. Oh. I mean. This has this has some merit. Chris Andrew is CEO. and co-founder of Scrunch AI. Scrunch. Scrunch tries to help customers' websites get noticed by AI bots so that their name or products appear in AI answers. We're seeing companies that are desperate to get their content consumed by AI models.

Starting point is 01:44:27 He's talking about companies that sell products and services, like sneakers or oil changes. Andrew says that visibility can lead to more transactions, even if there are fewer overall clicks. He sees a future where a whole new post-human web emerges to feed AI, The websites of today, full of pictures and videos, were designed primarily for eyeballs. So I have a thesis that we're going to move to a non-visual internet because the internet is going to be for AI. And AI wants words.

Starting point is 01:44:56 The secret is in the name. Large language models want language. And as a society, we have built a very confusing, over-designed, over-incentivized internet that is heavily interactive. Websites as we know them won't vanish altogether, he said. says people will still need to visit them to buy stuff. I can see this. This is something I can get on board with. So I can... You know, I'm going to stop you.

Starting point is 01:45:23 I don't know what the hell they just said the two of them. Okay. They lost me right away. It was just like they wandered off into some bullshit about the internet not being visual and it's going to go old. Let me tell you what he's saying. Yeah, why don't you explain it? Because they sure didn't. I was going to fall asleep.

Starting point is 01:45:40 So if you're looking for the ultimate weed one, Wacker. Yes, the classic. Yes. The classic. The internet is filled with pictures and JavaScript and animations and pop-ups and widgets and all kinds of things. Junk. Crap junk that is meant to attract your eyeballs to it and click on it. And then all of a sudden you're buying the wrong weed whacker. Excuse me. COVID. What he's saying is we will, if we move to a much more text based, then you can have your own AI that will get this information, can we,

Starting point is 01:46:18 and there's some reasonable argument that a large language model can parse language and find things. But this then becomes a real, a real war of words is who can manipulate the AI agents, the agentic AI that is out there trying to get it to the top of, the AI search results. So this will be the, in fact, I see a whole new gig for Buzzkill Jr. I mean, this is now the new SEO is moved to lots of text, manipulative text, so that your product gets mentioned when the adjunic AI is out there trying to get it, because ultimately, that's all the Internet will ever become outside of the, you know,

Starting point is 01:47:06 obviously outside of communication between people, which is becoming increasingly difficult is a shopping network. So bring back gopher is what I'm thinking. This is a good idea. Now, keep your eye on that company, scruncher, scruncher AI. But all of it now is falling apart. As we got this morning, the, let me see, I think I have a clip. You just contradicted yourself.

Starting point is 01:47:36 In what? You go on about how this is going to be the future. scruncher, scruncher, and then all of us falling apart. Well, no, the idea is valid, but the problem is the revenue. OpenAI is now giving chat GPT to the government for $1. You hear about this? No, tell me. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:47:58 So, even though they were offered a $200 million contract with the Department of Defense, that was in June, Sam Altman said, no, no, no, we want. want to really partner with the government. So we're going to give our Chad GPT Enterpise product to U.S. federal agencies for $1, for $1. Let me tell you something. When you're offering the government, your product for $1, you have a sales problem. I mean, I've never heard of this. Never.

Starting point is 01:48:32 And he's not an altruist. There's no way. So they have an absolute problem with selling their products. And now, now, oh, you know what, we should probably open source at all. Okay. Open AI is shifting strategy today, making its tech more accessible than it's been in six years. Because until now, you could only use OpenAI models through the cloud or chat and web apps like ChatGBT. But with this release, developers can download open weight models and build your apps around them.

Starting point is 01:49:05 So this is similar to what meta, Microsoft-backed mistral, and China's deep seek have already done. A model's weights are the values inside the network that get set during training. So making them public means that developers can freely modify and run the AI on their own systems. But to your point, Becky, it is not fully open source. Open AI still is not sharing its training data or entire code base. But it's cheaper to operate and better suited for sensitive work that companies don't want running in the cloud. Now, Sam Altman said months ago that OpenAI had been on the wrong side of history by keeping its AI locked up, and this shift also comes after DeepSeaks breakout success and the widespread adoption of Meta's Lama models. But now meta itself is rethinking how open its next generation will be, something that Mark Zuckerberg suggested on last week's earnings call as OpenAI moves in the exact opposite direction.

Starting point is 01:49:59 So today's launch makes OpenAI pretty much the only U.S. LLM builder that's actively leaning into a more open approach aiming to grow its developer ecosystem while also going head to head with Chinese rivals like Deep Seek and Kimmy K2 as Altman doubles down on this American AI dominance. Okay. So let me get this straight. Meta, which from day one has been developing and using the Lama model, open source. Everybody go ahead, take our model, which is prevalent everywhere. They're now saying, well, you know, we should probably close that source and bring it in-house. And then Open AI is like, well, you might want to run this on your own hardware. They're confused. There is no strategy here. Except that, yeah, nerds like me will run a model on their own machine and maybe have it go look for the best weed whacker. But that's about it.

Starting point is 01:50:53 This thing has no. But when I'm hearing this, what I hear is that, the cloud version of Open AI is costing them too much money. Amen. That's right. That's right. It's like we have to, it's not free. Far from it. But again, you know, according to my buddy at Databricks, all this AI super scalar nonsense is only about getting everybody's data into their cloud.

Starting point is 01:51:21 That's it. It's really just a cloud play. And then they run Oracle against it. And then if you want, you want to run some chat GPT on. Okay, it's $11,000 an hour. The whole thing is a house of cards, but okay, you know, it probably lasts five more years, as you say. I don't know, maybe. Yeah, by, that's about right.

Starting point is 01:51:42 And then half the, but then half of the, but then half of the, you haven't had peak, peak, peak, what would peak AI be? But you'll know it when you see it. That's not good enough. I need peak AI. It'll be a jumping to shark moment. Yeah. Well, maybe.

Starting point is 01:51:58 And then it'll be another year. before it starts to collapse. So when it jumps to shark, that's the time to, you know, you get to your last ditch investments and then you get out of there. Yeah. Let's see what time is it.

Starting point is 01:52:12 I'll take a break. I do have another lead on the Tucker laugh. Wait a minute. I can't do it anymore. I got to have a sip of water. I think it's because you have COVID. I don't even think you should be working on it. There it is.

Starting point is 01:52:25 That's pretty good, right? Uh, it's, you know, that, you know, I think you're starting to actually, you're becoming self-conscious with it and it's hurting it. It's hurting the show, actually. It's hurting the show. Here is another, another potential origin of the Tucker laugh. I take you to the movie Amadeus from 1984, the movie about the life of Amadeus Wolfgang Mozart. People fart backwards. Oh, ha-ha.

Starting point is 01:52:57 They're all so beautiful. Why don't I have three heads? That's funny. She went to her arms and said, will you marry me? Yes or no. Come on, man. I remember that movie very distinctly, and I remember that annoying laugh, which was mocking him. Of course, this movie was sympathetic towards Solari.

Starting point is 01:53:24 Yes. and yeah it's possible it's uh it was a screwball laugh it's pretty close it's very similar it's pretty close yeah it's like a paroxysm with uh paroxysm ooh a what is what is a paroxys he's going to a spasm he's like it's a spasmodic laugh oh paroxysm that is because he's like he's sitting there and then he when he's not just the laugh itself but he just the laugh itself but he just just wiggles all over. He goes like into a spasm. That should be the word of the day, kids.

Starting point is 01:54:03 Peroxism. And with that, I'd like to thank you for your courage, say in the morning to you, the man who put the sea in chat, JCD, say hello to my friend on the other end, the one, the only Mr. John C. DeMore! Hey, tomorrow, the morning, the U of the San Cray, tomorrow, ships of the ground, feeding the air, subs of the water.

Starting point is 01:54:23 and the names of nights out there. In the morning to the trolls in the troll room. Hold on, let me count you for a second. There we go. Man, we're not even in the dog days of summer yet. 16, 18 on the troll count. They are listening live at trollroom.io or on any of the extremely modern podcast apps, which are just extremely modern because they have extremely modern features.

Starting point is 01:54:49 They've been around for four or five years. What are you waiting for? Ditch that legacy app. Go to podcast apps with a plural apps.com and select one. I think a podverse turns out to be the number two most used app for this show. Apple is number one, but like 28%. Podverse comes in and double digits almost 20%. And the reason is because you get an alert when we go live and then you can listen to the live stream in your podcast app.

Starting point is 01:55:20 How cool is that? and it's not just our show many shows are picking up on this especially the no agenda favorites like planet rage so we're running 200 down on sundays and thursdays correct should have 1800 we have 1600 yeah i had a chat with the void zero yes about various things really about his billing no doubt well he's good the real bite is the bite it's a bite the bullet moment coming because we need a new server. I know. Oh, he doesn't even ask me about that anymore. He just goes, you used to email me, hey, man, we need a new server.

Starting point is 01:55:58 It's, it's 17 years old. It's falling apart. And I'd be like, okay, I got to go ask John. I got to talk to him about it. So he's just bypassing me now. Well, I told him I talked to you about it because we have to have it. And now he's like, you know, he has a few moments of, well, you know, there's one on sale, you know. No, yeah.

Starting point is 01:56:19 On eBay, on eBay. He found one on eBay. No, he didn't. But he did, we were talking about this, and I just wanted to mention the people, I don't know if it got in that pre-edit, that... Now, why would you go mention the edit? There's no need for that. Well, because we lost connection.

Starting point is 01:56:41 Yeah, but I punched you in. You know, it seems... Yeah, but I don't remember what I said. I don't know. You punched me in at an awkward spot. But then I would have edited that out and made it seamless. Now people are like, oh, well, you can, you know what? Let's edit all this out.

Starting point is 01:56:55 You can edit this out just as easily. Okay. Continue. So the point is I want to make it to the listeners and producers is that we have our own infrastructure and that's the reason that nobody can take us off the air and that it costs money to do that. We have our own co-locations and all the rest of it. And that's why we ask for donations too.

Starting point is 01:57:13 But in the process of discussing some of these things, he mentioned to me that, that the numbers of listeners, according to the download stats, has remained pretty much the same for the last two years. So the fact that we're having less people listened live is somewhat disconcerning because it shouldn't happen. Right. There was actually a conversation. Conversation.

Starting point is 01:57:38 Hold on a second. There was an interesting conversation on this podcast group. It's a WhatsApp group. It's the only WhatsApp group I'm a member of. And they were calculating our cost. Here it is. This is James Cridland. Okay.

Starting point is 01:57:56 James Cridland is, he does pod news. He is one of the authorities in podcast news. Okay. And he says, no agenda. And, you know, we have our numbers out there. 876,000 and 69 downloads. loads in, I think this was June, 46% listened to at least half. So an average is 94.7 minutes, 82.9 million minutes in June, streaming costs, if we did not

Starting point is 01:58:34 have our own infrastructure, and we use Cloudflare, which is what most of the hosting companies use, guess what that would cost? I have no idea. $82,963. A year? No, for one month. What? Yes. Now, that's if we use Cloudflare. Of course, we don't. So let's say they could probably get it down to about 15 to 20,000.

Starting point is 01:59:06 A month. Yes. Yeah. This is no joke. It's no joke. Not a joke, man. I know. You're flabbergasted. I am flabbergasted. Well, it's a big show. I was thinking of replacing you with a chat, Chad Adam and then just using pot bean.

Starting point is 01:59:32 Go for it. Go for it. It's all good. Anyway, yes. So it's not, you know, there's real. And by the way, we do actual work. Let me tell you how many clips we have for today. show. You interested? Now, some of these... It's always hovering around 50 plus.

Starting point is 01:59:51 Oh, no, it's much more than that. Oh, are you kidding? Well, I do about... I have a limit. I stop at about 33. Today, you had, I think, 27. Let me see. You had 27. And I had 57. Now, that also includes ISOs, but it's still clipping work. Lots of people send stuff pre-clipped. But there's real work involved. And we are really doing the work. And we have to listen to all this crap. Our problem is we make it look easy.

Starting point is 02:00:26 This is the problem. This is the problem. This is the problem. We should be like, it's a problem. Yeah. And we do it ourselves. We don't have people editing the show, taking out all the us and the others. No, they take the life out of the show.

Starting point is 02:00:41 Yeah. Well, that's what most podcasts are. Lifeless pieces of dreck. And that's what happens. when you try Chacad. It becomes lifeless. It's just no good. Anyway, all to say, value for value is the way we have run this. So Void Zero for years and years and years has been completely value for value. We've evened that out a bit as he runs a lot of infrastructure for us. But we have all these producers. We have so many producers that no news organization can top us.

Starting point is 02:01:15 We have constitutional lawyers, we have doctors, we have dentists, we have psychologists, we have psychologists, we have, oh my goodness, the amount of Kratum experts we have? It's too many. We have too many producers. You got to wonder what our producers are doing, but the Kratom experts is amazing. I will read one. I got a bunch of notes to. But did you get the one from the ER nurse? I know.

Starting point is 02:01:42 I don't know. Maybe. I don't. Probably not. This is in response to the, the vape store heroin or whatever it was. ER nurse here, okay, so there's a tiny amount of seven hydromyxigritogen, 7-O-H in normal cratum. It is the most potent part of it. 99% of the active chemicals of it are just mitrogynine.

Starting point is 02:02:03 I think that's how you pronounce it. In a lab, they oxidize the mitraginine into 7-08. They both affect the MU receptors, opioid, but do not recruit the. the beta arrestin pathway, which would cause respiratory depression, which means you die. Both of them can cause addiction with prolonged use and withdrawal is unpleasant. People in the R withdrawing from the 70H, though, have it much worse. I would say if using Kratum for pain management keeps you off opiates, then it's worth it. Just don't graduate to the 7-0-H as it's nearly identical to opiates, not opioid, but opiates.

Starting point is 02:02:40 He gives us the definition. between opiate and opioid. No, I have that one here. Yeah, you should read that because we, me mostly, went on and on about this because I had the sense of the opi. This is the TLD, I put these in the show notes. TLDR. Kratum is considered to most, by most experts to be an opioid drug, not an opiate.

Starting point is 02:03:05 And it's generally safer than street opiates or opioids. Opiates are substances that are derived from the poppy plant, such as opium morphine heroin. Kratum is not an opiate. Opioids, the broad category of substances that activate the opioid receptors, including opiates, but are not necessarily derivatives of poppy. Fentanyl, for example, is not a poppy derivative. Kratum is generally thought to fit this description, though.

Starting point is 02:03:34 Kratum is a partial opioid agonist. Wow. So there you go. That's the kind of people we have. have listening and uh and yeah people that know what they're well the thing the thing that makes it work yeah is is that we listen to them yeah exactly exactly which is not very unusual in media they don't listen anybody but sniffing their own farts basically well they listen to the producer in their ear yeah and they learn how to read very well not all of them but most of them

Starting point is 02:04:08 and they read a script and they go to cocktail parties. Yes, a lot of them. Boom. We on the other hand, we on the other hand have no cocktail parties. I got to go listen to people freaking out about 5G towers killing us. But okay, it's fine. And we clip. We do a lot of clipping.

Starting point is 02:04:30 So that's one way that people help us. Of course, we have lots of people who build websites. We got Tim Code Monkey, Codes Monkey. we got Sir Daniel we got Well, of course we have the NOAA art generator Sir Paul Couture I don't think, I don't know if he listens because I'm still hoping that he'll allow

Starting point is 02:04:46 animated gifs in there that hasn't happened. I'll send him a note. I have a couple. He's got different email addresses. Yeah. I don't know if he listens anymore either. I think he does occasionally, but it's like, you know, a lot of people listen to show and then they go overboard because they come back. I don't know why they go overboard in the first place

Starting point is 02:05:03 because they think they know it all and they think they don't have to be tuned into the news. No, TikTok clips. I think they should be listening because we're funny. TikTok clips. Is the TikTok clips? That drives people away? No, no.

Starting point is 02:05:15 That's not playing enough of them. Episode 1787, OG Daffy, is what we called that. And you were correct. A lot of pushback on this art. Very controversial. And it was a nice piece. It wasn't like, wow, look at this. It was the No Agenda sock hop.

Starting point is 02:05:34 We had a young couple who were dancing close cheek to cheek and all the other kids are walking around aimlessly looking at their phones, not talking to each other. So the conceit, as we say, in the business was correct. However, many people commented, that's not a sock hop because they have the shoes on. That's what I said when we picked the art. And I did not realize. You should have because I could go to Bing and I O because when I first discussed sock hops, because I was, I'm the sock cop guy. I mentioned the reason for this called a sock cop because they had these dances in a gymnasium.

Starting point is 02:06:12 And back in the day, we didn't, kids didn't wear tennis shoes all the time. They actually wore leather sold shoes that have, you know, the rubber heels. And you would go into the gym. And if you started dancing around, you'd scuff the gym up. It would make a mess. So you had to wear socks. So, wow. You're right.

Starting point is 02:06:32 Thursday, March 31st, 2011, episode 291 of this podcast. That is what, 15 years ago? Yeah. That title was unconstitutional Botox for some reason. You gave this very explanation. The 50s, because once they started, once they went away from waltzing into doing the bop and whatever, the dirty bop and the jumping around dancing, to rock. rock and roll uh that crazy thing those kids are doing once they started doing that they

Starting point is 02:07:08 were scratching up the place because of their shoes so they said oh let's create the sock hop so you had to go in your socks because you wouldn't damage anything okay thanks for that history lesson you're welcome which proves i don't listen to you keep i that's well known and if you look at bingotio man we've we've talked about this numerous times throughout the years. By the way, there is Sir Deenonymous with clipgeny.com, with Binget.i.o. These are amazing value, very valuable resources, resources that are available to you at no cost. Thanks to our producers.

Starting point is 02:07:49 This is amazing. It is amazing. It's actually quite a phenomenon. We are a phenom. So thank you, Blue Acorn. Good job. Sorry about the shoes, but otherwise. pretty good.

Starting point is 02:08:03 Did, was there anything else we, I don't think there was anything that we liked. No, it was bad. It's all AI drivel. Well, it's always going to be that way, but they can still get something happened and make something interesting. I did like the wallet you didn't like

Starting point is 02:08:17 because it was too small. Yeah. It's too small. That's what you said. Yeah, it's correct. It was too small and you didn't even push back because you knew it was true. Uh, the wallet was good,

Starting point is 02:08:26 a good piece. And there's a lot of butts, nice tight butt, small, tight butts. A lot of butts. A lot of butts. Uh, couple of nice ones. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:08:34 And it wasn't really anything else that was usable. No. No. No. We should just call this the buttcast and just use one piece of art over and over again by Darren. Well, the comics strip blogger'd come into that and he'd take over. Thank you to all of the artists who use their prompting skills these days to bring us artwork. That was, it's always appreciated.

Starting point is 02:08:59 No agenda, artgenerator.com. Everybody can participate. It's open to all. We always like to thank our producers who support us with a financial donation. It is necessary. You heard part of the reason why. You can do that at noagendadonations.com. We thank everybody $50 and above for every single show with an extra bonus.

Starting point is 02:09:18 If you happen to be fortunate enough to support us with a larger amount, $200 or more, not only do we thank you profusely, but we also give you an official show business title of associate executive producer, which is a real title. go look at IMDB.com. If you don't have an IMDB.com account, you probably don't, unless you're already a no agenda producer. You can open one with that. It's valid. And we'll read your note. We'll also read your note for $300 or above.

Starting point is 02:09:43 And then you become an executive producer, just like Hollywood. You get a credit. That's about all we have. Hollywood-wise, that's all we have left. And we kick it off today with Chris Mobs from Belvedere, Vermont, who came in, I'm sure, with $1,000, the fees made it $1,030, and $20. And he says, please have this go towards my PhD, done, and a knighthood. I just seen this, I just seen this newsletter, this mooning.

Starting point is 02:10:13 Three, this is my first donation. Well, hold on a second. It was your first donation. I'm going to have to deduished. You've been deduced. I have followed Adam since the MTV Days. I actually paid for the Moscow Music Peace Festival to watch it, I presume. You guys are the best.

Starting point is 02:10:30 Thank you, Chris. So, yes, you will be an executive producer, you will be a knight, and you get your Ph.D. And these are the last of the last of the last who snuck in under the wire. Yeah, pretty much. The other latent, I'll say, PhD, is Jake Warburton in St. George, Utah. He came up at 1014. And he, this was a check or something, this is a kind of came in over the transom. and he wrote a note.

Starting point is 02:11:03 It says, in the morning, John and Adam. Oh, no, it says in the morning, Adam and John C. I wanted to drop a quick note to thank you both for keeping me sane in this world that's constantly trying to gaslight me. I've sent in a donation that should officially bring me to the level of knighthood accounting below, and I'm time to postmark so that with your gracious approval sneak me into the PhD last round. Perfect time to join the roundtable. But here's the fun part.

Starting point is 02:11:29 this donation in gold backs. Okay. Are these even, can we even use these? No, I don't know. I'm going to send half them to you. Okay. He claims there were six, six, we took a month on his word on this. So there's worth $6.60 each. I think they were, they were originally five bucks. Right. I can't remember. But they're, but they're made with that. They're backed with actual gold in it.

Starting point is 02:11:55 Yeah, it's a piece of plastic that's printed and it's got a, and it's got a, and it's got a, a layer of, it seems like gold leaf, about five bucks worth of the gold leaf on it. So there's actually gold. And this pile that he sent? Are they plastified? Plasticified? I don't have no idea.

Starting point is 02:12:12 That's what bothers me, because I don't know if you can put in your wallet and there's a gold rub off of the wallet. I have one from Florida. Florida gold back is a $10 gold back. And it's one one hundredth Troy ounce of 24-carat gold. It's pretty cool. I don't know how they do it.

Starting point is 02:12:27 We should probably look into it because you have to know how. how, you know, how easy they fall apart. Well, guess what? You just give them to void zero for the new server. Yeah, well, we don't have enough for the new server. The new server is four grand plus. Oh, crap.

Starting point is 02:12:43 Okay. So, but this pile, this pile of these goldbacks is very heavy because there's so much gold there. I mean, you know, weighs more than you'd think. Yeah. Anyway, it goes for the unenlightened, basically. Goldbacks are a voluntary spendable currency made of actual gold. Each note contains a thin layer of 24-carat gold, blah, blah, blah. Think it as freedom money.

Starting point is 02:13:07 Uh-huh. Beautiful, tangible, and non-fed. There are 60 goldbacks for each of you. Learn more at goldback.com. Yeah. That's goldback.com. Go check it out. I hope the goats enjoy a little real money for once.

Starting point is 02:13:23 Thanks again for the, oh, you call those goats. There you go. Thanks again for the years of insulin. site, media jujitsu, and jingle-fueled sanity. Keep doing what you do best. Jake Warburton in St. George, Utah, and he'll be knighted as Sir Less Than Jake, Knight of the Exmos and Grouse Creek. Crick. That's Crick. He pronounced it, Crick, like to do. Not to do down south to pronounce a creek. Yes, and he also wants Utah dirty soda and elk steak at the round table. Well, what is, what is, that's good, but what's Utah dirty soda?

Starting point is 02:14:01 I have no idea. Okay. Thank you, brother. That's very nice. Unspendable donation. Lovely. It's better than Bitcoin. Come on with 333.33.

Starting point is 02:14:12 Is Sir Pursuit of Peace and Tranquility. He's, whoa, did he do two donations? I see two here. Oh, yes. Yeah, yeah. August donation. He donates this every single month. August donation.

Starting point is 02:14:26 Uh, title upgrade to Duke, Sir Pursuit of Peace and Tranquility, Duke of the Lands of Red Clay and the Cherry Trees. And I guess you have his note for the July donation. Well, let's go back to that page and see what note I have. I think it's page three. This is right. Page three. Is this a 33333 in the morning bars keeping it simple? Yep.

Starting point is 02:14:49 Yeah, July 2025 donation. Yeah. Three three, three. No jingles, no karma. It's a nice note. Sincerely, Sir, Pursuit of Peace and Tranquil. the earl of the lands of the red clay and the cherry trees. Over to Haddam, Connecticut, Haddam, Haddon, Connecticut, $250,

Starting point is 02:15:06 an associate executive producer title for Mark Bluyveld, who is Dutch, and says, thank you, you both. And we say, thank you, well. Oh, I see. I see, Sir Peecing, Tranquil, he sent two notes in there basically the same note. Yes, he did. Eric Leavenberg is up. He's in Los Angeles, California, 22, 2, 2, 23. And he's requesting jobs, karma for a little life-changing job, health karma,

Starting point is 02:15:35 and a relationship karma on top would be lovely as well. I think you should pick one producer a week to pick a show title for you. That's a very bad idea. Not going to happen. Jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs. You thought, karma. Sean Homan next from Noblesville, Indiana,

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Starting point is 02:16:33 Amen. Eli the coffee guys back in from Bensonville, Illinois, 20807, which is the date. RFK Jr. Just cut funding to MRNA vaccines saying they're not effective and actually promote mutations that prolong outbreaks. Thank you for that information. Thank you for your courage, RFK. They're out to get him. Unlike big pharma products,

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Starting point is 02:18:40 No jingles. Blessings always welcome. Thanks, Scott Johnson, Kissimmee, Florida. I want you to read the next one. This is actually addressed to you, even though I'm doing when I keeps talking about sock, she thinks it's you. Well, this was a good note. This was content.

Starting point is 02:18:55 This is a great note. It's a good note. And it could be a great note. Well, this was in response to the sock hop and and dame Andy says there's been a war on dance since at least as far back as the 1920s. Listen up. I find that that premise by the way, I find interesting and I will go back to my earlier commentaries where when I was a kid, when I was in grammar school, at first, second, and third

Starting point is 02:19:21 great. They taught us dance. They taught us the cha, cha, cha, the Basanova. They taught us all these different dances and they would be part of class. But they also taught us how to read clock, by the way. And which brings me to a funny bonus clip, which I have. Oh my goodness. People should this, what a segment this is today. Did you send me a bonus clip? I didn't see it. Yes. It's the top. It's the talk clip is the bonus clip. Oh, okay. Oh, this one right here. Okay. holy shit i go to the grocery store to buy some bagels for tomorrow morning i pick up six of them i go to the cashier ask me what's in the bag says half a dozen bagels he proceeds to pull out a binder full of codes which i didn't think much of because he probably knew didn't know the code to put in the

Starting point is 02:20:07 system for bagels no big deal but then he turns out the light again thinking he just doesn't know the code supervisor comes over asks what's up and he goes i'm looking for what a half a dozen bagels are. And he goes, that's the code. And he points to it in the binary. He goes, no, what is half a dozen mean? This kid's 16, 17, 18 in that ballpark. And he does not know what half a dozen means. That's kind of terrifying, honestly. And what's even more terrifying? Why not just ask me to clarify? I think my mouth dropped open because even the supervisor was like, well, we'll work on that, buddy. Mm-hmm. Oh, my God. Work on that. Work on what? Teach this boy. Somebody, what is our education system teaching these kids?

Starting point is 02:20:48 Nothing. But I learned my lesson. Next time I'll just say exactly the number of bagels, donuts, whatever I have, exactly to the cashier. I will not be cute and use a neat little saying like that ever again. Well, that's kind of concerning. Yes, I thought so, too. It's distressing, actually. But this is the same as Reed Clock. Well, so if you said, I want a gross, that would be a real big problem for him, huh? But luckily, somebody doesn't want a hog's head. So there's been a war on dance since at least as far back as the 1920s. The Savoy Ballroom was opened in 1926 as the first integrated dance hall

Starting point is 02:21:25 in one of the most prominently integrated private spaces in the USA. It was repeatedly closed down by vice on unsubstantiated allegations of prostitution. Did we have prostitution in your day? A federal excise tax of 30% was instituted. against all dance halls in 1944 to, quote, support the war. It continued on a diminished basis until 1965. Local excise tax piled on and continued after that date to this day. Back tax debt closed the local ballroom in Houston that had hosted Louis Armstrong.

Starting point is 02:22:03 There's still a dance hall tax in Houston. It's $500 per six months. This is interesting. The NEA, the National Endowment for the Arts, was established in 65 and has funded primarily ballet and modern contemporary dance. It has made dance more of an art than a social event. This is replicated at the state level in government organizations such as the Texas Commission on the Arts.

Starting point is 02:22:25 It funds high-brow dance concerts to the exclusion and detriment of regular dance. Finally, at the local level, there is a hotel occupancy tax in most major cities that supports the arts. This tax props up dance concerts, again, to the exclusion and detriment of social dance gatherings. The rules exclude competition.

Starting point is 02:22:44 religious and social events. And the founding director of dance, as the founding director of Dance Houston, hello, dance Houston. I went after and obtained these government grants from 2006 to 2020. I stopped, listen to this.

Starting point is 02:23:03 I stopped when I started listening to no agenda. We're hurting the arts. And then I wrote this paper. I'll link to that in the show notes. I took any of my local grantor who had been very generous with me. I stopped applying for grants

Starting point is 02:23:17 and updated my website with this page that says we will receive grants but not apply to them. Major changes happen around here when I blew the words. Okay, blah, blah, blah, blah. There's a lot of stuff here. I've been biting my tongue about sock hops

Starting point is 02:23:32 since it may take a dissertation to grasp the 100-year evolution for public free dancing to what we have now. But it's my forte. So here you have it. The government has, in fact, suppressed dancing an elevated concert dance. Well, this has given me an idea, a possible exit strategy.

Starting point is 02:23:51 I'm going to open a dance hall in Fredericksburg. I don't think we have one. I'm sure you don't. I'm going to open one. If they try to tax me, I'm going to cause a stink, I tell you. I bet you there's a state law. We'll find out. I think it's peculiar.

Starting point is 02:24:08 I didn't even consider what she does her whole note, which is long. I didn't consider any of that. as part of the problem. The desocialization of the children is what this amounts to. Yeah. And everything has been, the targeting has been the family, has been dessocialized. They were trying to get rid of the family, and they're trying to get socialization down the way to do that, the way to do all of this, I would say it's like, you know what's

Starting point is 02:24:34 also a problem? It used to be, as you said, because it was the same, when I was growing up, we had dance. It was a class. You took dance. I think it was elective, but you took dance in school. And dance lessons have moved to dance studios. And they're expensive. And you only go there if you're getting married and you've got to do your first dance.

Starting point is 02:24:59 We should bring this back, you know, and have some of those beautiful dances where you dance together. And we do have line dancing in Texas and we have, you know, stuff like that. But, you know, there's something to be said for that, John. It's not happening. The tendency is to bust up the family to stop people from socializing, put them on the little screens and let them sit there and type, type, type

Starting point is 02:25:22 and point on their TikTok videos and point at you and tell you you you're bad and wiggle your finger. Yes, with bird hands. Bird hands. All right. Enough of that. Linda Lou Padkins up

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Starting point is 02:26:06 I'm telling it. I bet you the church would let me take the chairs out and have a dance. we could do it. You could, well, let's see if anyone shows up. Well, no, that's not guaranteed at all. Thank you, Linda. Thank you to these associate executive producers and executive producers for episode 1788. We are drawing close to our 18th anniversary in October, which is... Okay, don't get too excited.

Starting point is 02:26:35 We haven't made it yet. There's no guarantee we're going to make it. And I might exit with my dance hall. But, of course, we appreciate you, and all of these titles are valid show business credits that we've discussed. And in our second segment, we'll be thanking people $50 and above. Go to noagendadendatonations.com to support the show. It's worth it. That is, if you get any value out of our podcast.

Starting point is 02:26:56 Noagendatonations.com. And thank you to the associate and executive producers. Our formula is this. We go out. We hit people in the mouth. I'm kind of Order Shut up slave

Starting point is 02:27:15 Shut up slave I'm kind of liking this idea of us and you know what? We can do a sock up. We'll just have people take the shoes off. Yeah, not that it's necessary, but it'll be fun. I'm kind of liking this. In my old age, I'm digging these ideas.

Starting point is 02:27:35 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm digging these ideas. I have an unreported story. I thought I'd run this audio. Okay. I always like these unreported story. This is a story. Nobody's covering this.

Starting point is 02:27:47 I don't know why, but it's good stuff. This is the unreported Cook Islands story. Why is the U.S. competing with China over a little island nation in the Pacific? The State Department just started seabed mineral talks with the Cook Islands, a country with ties to New Zealand, and to East Washington correspondent, Jack Bradley. The U.S. is partnering with the Cook Islands to conduct research on seabed minerals. Pacific Island country sits atop a seabed that's reportedly rich in critical minerals and it's also subject to influence by the Chinese Communist Party. The announcement was made on the Cook Islands

Starting point is 02:28:20 60th anniversary. They said in a joint statement on Tuesday that US-link firms sit at the forefront of deep seabed mineral research and exploration in the Cook Islands, which reflects strong and shared U.S. Cook Islands seabed mineral interests. Last week, the FBI opened a new office in Wellington, New Zealand, which oversees the Cook Islands, and it's opened to counter the CCP's regional influence, cybercrime, and espionage. That's what FBI director Cash Patel said at the time that countering the CCP is a top priority both for the U.S. and New Zealand. Putting us together in common space and sharing with intelligence platforms and law enforcement

Starting point is 02:29:03 partners and defense operations is the only way we are going to actually counterman the CCP threat that is dominating the Indo-Paycom region. That's as concerns arose earlier this year over the Cook Islands deepening ties with China. Their prime minister went to China in February and signed a trade and seabed mining agreement with the CCP. You know, it's funny you mention that because I had a clip for the last show from Australia where they talked about the FBI opening this office in New Zealand. And the only reason they didn't mention the Cook Islands. The only reason I clipped it was, why is the FBI operating outside America?

Starting point is 02:29:43 Which brings us to, besides the second part of this clip, which brings us to the TV show, which is to soften us up for this idea because they had the show. They had these, you know, Dick Wolf did these FBI shows. First it was FBI, then they rolled out the FBI Most Wanted, and then they rolled out FBI International. And FBI International makes it sound like the FBI. is an international police force. Most of the stories were taking place in Europe with an FBI office in Europe.

Starting point is 02:30:13 And it's just like any FBI story in like a New York FBI story, like the regular FBI series, where they're superseding the local cops in Europe. Every time I watch that show, I just shake my head thinking, what is this? What's going on here with this? FBI and this internationalization of the operation. Who are we kidding? Well, we are the world's policemen. I guess we have to just admit it to ourselves.

Starting point is 02:30:44 Yeah, yeah. Anyway, part two of this and we'll be done with it. But New Zealand's leaders were unhappy that they weren't informed about this as the two countries share constitutional ties. And in June, New Zealand suspended $11 million to the Cook Islands in development funding. China has been working to tie itself to several island nations for rare earth minerals. China supplies about 90% of the world's rare earths and also dominates in producing many critical minerals.

Starting point is 02:31:11 Analysts say that if China were to ban exports of these minerals to the U.S., the consequences could be economically catastrophic. So a total export ban would be devastating to the U.S. economy. We would need to rely on domestic sources if we can get them online and to turn to allies as much as possible. So right now the U.S. is looking into alternatives like its trading partners in the Indo-Pacific, Japan, Australia, and also mining here at home.

Starting point is 02:31:37 We have vast mineral resources here. A lot of people do not understand how much we actually have. Last month, for instance, the Pentagon agreed to invest $400 million in a stake in MP materials, America's largest rare earth mine. How do we get so far behind the eight ball on this deal? What do you mean? Well, the rare earths, which are used mostly for the most important, important part of them are for magnets. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:32:07 For a super strong little bitty magnets or you can't have little stepper motors without little bitty magnets. You can't have a little bitty magnets without these rare earths. Yeah. How did we get so far behind on letting the Chinese just take over the entire business when it's so important? Uh, thanks, Obama. Thanks, Bush. I think it goes back to Clinton to be on about. You know, I was talking to my buddy Robert. Robert works here in, uh, in Fredericksburg, and he's a CNC operator.

Starting point is 02:32:38 And he makes very, very tiny parts. I think a lot of it's military. I mean, he showed me a part. It was like a, you know, it wouldn't even fit on your thumbnail. It was so small. Complete precision. And I said, how are the tariffs doing? And he said, you know, it's really a problem because our cost has gone up about 50%.

Starting point is 02:33:04 over, you know, the stuff we're importing from China. He says, so that is a problem. He says, however, American metals, so he wasn't talking about minerals per se, but American metals are far superior to the stuff from China. And he said, everybody knows that the hidden secret, he said, no matter what you order from China, you can throw 40% away. He said, it's just wrong, it's broken, it's defective,

Starting point is 02:33:33 It's junk. So it's really only about 10% difference there switching to American stuff. He said, but, you know, American companies are getting more efficient and the cost is going to come down. And he thinks that this is going to turn out pretty good. And I think the same holds true for minerals and for the production of minerals. And that company that was mentioned in there, one of our producers sent me, you know, who said, you know, I heard you guys talking about what was the name of the company? I think it's MP something.

Starting point is 02:34:05 We have vast mineral resources here. A lot of people do not understand how much we actually have. Last month, for instance, the Pentagon agreed to invest $400 million in a stake in MP materials, America's largest rare earth mine. So we had mentioned this, and one of our producers, something he knows that, oh, the minute I heard you guys talking about it, I bought stock and it dropped 10%.

Starting point is 02:34:30 He said, but I'm holding on. holding on. I think it's going to go to the moon. I think it may be a good idea. I mean, it's not bad. You know, investing in mining is not necessarily a bad thing. Well, just, we can probably talk about there is some tariff stuff. A fun slanted report, of course, from France 24. From Liberation Day to Collection Day as U.S. Customs officials finally begin enforcing Donald Trump's tariffs. On April 2nd, the President announced new import duties on virtually all U.S. trading partners worldwide, calling them reciprocal for policies that have left America with large trade deficits and gutted its manufacturing base. Since then, a number of them have inked

Starting point is 02:35:20 preliminary frameworks. Most U.K. goods now getting a 10% rate. U.S. allies like the EU, Japan, and South Korea, reluctantly accepting deals for around 15%. Lower than Trump's initial threats, but still a major increase from their previous positions. Some other countries, though, have seen their positions worsen since April. India is now facing 50% tariffs over its purchases of Russian oil. Brazil facing the same rate as Trump accuses it of persecuting his ally, far-right former President Jaya Bolsonaro. Dozens of other countries have not managed to reach a new deal.

Starting point is 02:35:58 Overall, the average U.S. tariff rate is going from 2% last year up to 15%. Meanwhile, Trump has either threatened or already imposed significant sector-specific duties on industries like automobiles, metals, pharmaceuticals, and microprocessors. Those tariffs have already raised significant revenues. By the end of July, the U.S. had collected over $150 billion in customs duties, nearly double the amount from the same period last year. Though they target foreign goods, tariffs are a tax paid by importers. U.S. businesses and consumers are thus now bracing for higher prices amid a rapid reordering of the global trade system. This is the continuous narrative of people against the tariffs.

Starting point is 02:36:48 What is your opinion on that? That, oh, we're going to get inflation, the prices are going to rise. All I hear is producers saying, well, we're just eating. that cost because we really can't charge more. I think that's the general opinion from the pro-tariff people. That's what's going to happen mostly, and especially from the China side, China's markup, even though there's all this stuff, cheap stuff from China, I've had more than a few producers from China's writing, you know, you have no idea.

Starting point is 02:37:21 He says the stuff they're selling that looks cheap at two bucks, they could drop into a buck and still be cheap for them. sort of thing. And so the Chinese can eat a lot of the profits. They're just making money hand over fist with their overproduction. I see, you're shooting yourself in the foot here.

Starting point is 02:37:40 Why? Because you should say, yeah, it's because of the tariffs that we can't do the microphone company. Yeah, okay, so I walked right into that one. You probably set me up. That was a set up. That was a nice try. I was thinking about it for weeks. For weeks, for weeks, for weeks, I tell you.

Starting point is 02:38:00 Yeah, you've been sitting on that. People don't realize that you actually sit around and rehearse in the mirror. I do. How can I get him now? I'll get him this time. Yeah, yeah, that's basically it. That's your whole life. Now, there is good news.

Starting point is 02:38:13 Trump checks incoming. Well, remember those stimulus checks from a few years back, the federal government depositing a few hundred bucks in your bank account during COVID-19? Well, a similar idea has been introduced in Congress. not because of a global health emergency, but because of the record amount of revenue being brought in through tariffs. Republican Senator Josh Hawley of Missouri has officially introduced this piece of legislation entitled American Worker Rebate Act of 2025. It's based on the belief that the federal government is bringing in a record amount of tariff revenue. And as a result, the American people deserve a cut.

Starting point is 02:38:53 In June, for instance, the federal government reported a new tariff revenue record. of over 26 billion. That has quadrupled the amount from the same month last year. Even more tariff revenue appears to be on the way. President Donald Trump announcing new tariff rates for European countries in recent days. Here is how the proposed tariff rebate plan could possibly work. According to Senator Holley's legislation, $600 per a dollar child would be deposited by the Treasury Department into American's bank accounts, individuals making under $75,000 a year. And couples who file their taxes jointly and make under $150,000 would qualify.

Starting point is 02:39:33 Those earning more would receive a reduced payout. The amount could even increase depending on if tariff revenue booms even more. I make a prediction. Here's my prediction. These checks will come as checks. They will have President Trump's smiling face on it. They will have his signature and it will be just about around the midterm. that's what you do

Starting point is 02:39:56 that's what you do it's called bribing the public it's a great way to do it everyone will be happy and who's going to complain about it oh the democrats they're going to hide they're going to run away and hide and they're going to say hey this is a bribe yes no trump i think when he did it the first time because he put his signature on these checks and there was something about it was like just like Scott besson which i'm convinced only wants to remain as a Treasury secretary because his signature is on every bill. Yes. So every bill that's printed has got his signature on it, which is kind of cool if you think

Starting point is 02:40:32 about it. Very cool. And so why would you want to do anything but that job and the signature on every dollar bill? Because, you know, it's not really money. It's, it belongs to the Treasury. And it's got your signature on it. So Trump, as a promoter, sees this as an opportunity. I agree 100%.

Starting point is 02:40:50 and I don't think it's picture. I didn't think about the picture. But now you mention it. I think the picture. Instead of a seal. Yeah, a picture. Have Trump's picture. That's not a bad idea.

Starting point is 02:41:01 I'm sure they'll be mulling that over. And not to fall short over there in the European Union. Unfortunately, I looked for a long time to get this full clip. I could not find the clip with the question that Christine Fifi Lagarde answered. And the question was. was about the digital euro and i won't tell you what the question was because she she answers that at the very end of this rather short clip it's annoying because i really wanted to have the i really want to have the full series is from euro debates but they don't they chopped it up and they didn't have

Starting point is 02:41:37 the full uh her full speech and q and a now the digital euro is going to be a 100% bona fide certified central bank digital currency yeah which is a very very very very poor idea for the people of the European Union. And so I think the question was rather hostile. And here's her answer. You know, I have a pretty simple understanding of what the digital euro is. And for me, this is the digital expression of cash. Right? I mean, we all have cash. Well, most of you, I suppose. I do. I like cash. But it takes a form of coins or banknotes. This is cash and this is central bank money, if you will. It's sovereign money. There's a big difference between sovereign and central bank money. But okay, Fifi, I really don't

Starting point is 02:42:30 understand much about the digital euro. Yeah, you do. But as technologies evolve over the course of time and as the preference for payment evolves as a result, we need to respond to the demand of our European compatriots. And I see digital euro has the digital expression of cash. It's like digital cash. You can argue at the margin that in terms of, you know, absolute privacy, we're not exactly on the same page. Oh, you could argue in the margin, in the margin that, you know,

Starting point is 02:43:09 it's not quite the same privacy you have as cash. No, it's not the margin that it's the main. that is the main point of it. You can argue at the margin that in terms of, you know, absolute privacy, we're not exactly on the same page. You could argue that the cost of cash is

Starting point is 02:43:26 higher than blah, blah, blah, blah. But in essence, that's what it is. So to argue that digital cash is a nuclear bomb, I think that's a little bit over the top. We're not holding nuclear bombs in our pockets, as far as I know. That gets the guy said,

Starting point is 02:43:42 CBDC is a nuclear bomb you're going to just trap everybody in it that's exactly right that's exactly what's happening get out while you can europe don't be like john in california stuck there until the cycle's over you won't survive it yeah it's a cycle yeah um okay then uh some movement um on the uh russia ukraine front After weeks of worsening relations, Donald Trump now says a face-to-face meeting with Vladimir Putin is on the cards in the near future. We had some very good talks with President Putin today, and there's a very good chance that we could be ending the round, ending the end of that road. That road was long and continues to be long, but there's a good chance that there will be a meeting very soon. While the US president declined to give an exact date, the New York Times reported,

Starting point is 02:44:42 It could be as early as next week. Trump then wants a three-way summit with President Putin and Ukraine's President Zelensky. If the talks do go ahead, it would be the first time American and Russian leaders meet face-to-face since the 2021 Geneva summit. The announcement comes hours after the US's special envoy, Steve Whitkoff, met with Putin in Moscow. The Kremlin called these talks productive. Russia has until Friday to agree to a ceasefire or face further sanctions. Trump discussed Whitkoff's visit with Zelensky and European allies. in a phone call, which was welcomed by

Starting point is 02:45:14 the Ukrainian leader. We discussed what was said in Moscow. It seems that Russia is now more inclined to agree to a ceasefire. The pressure on them is working. But the main thing is that they do not deceive us or the US in the details. Despite the optimism, the White House says it will still impose secondary

Starting point is 02:45:30 tariffs and countries that buy Russian oil. That could see goods from any country face 100% tax when imported to the US. Oh, there you go. I have a whit cough clip. Play my as if there's any different information in it. Okay, Whitkoff. A motorcade believed to be carrying U.S. special envoy, Steve Whitkoff, left the Kremlin on Wednesday. President Trump says Whitkoff

Starting point is 02:45:52 had a highly productive meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin. Trump added that great progress was made. Afterwards, I updated some of our European allies. Everyone agrees this war must come to a close. Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky was on the call with Trump and European allies as well on Wednesday. According to Zelensky, Putin is more open to peace talks after Wednesday's meeting with Whitkoff. We discussed what was said in Moscow. It appears that Russia is now more inclined to consider a ceasefire.

Starting point is 02:46:24 The pressure on them is working. Russia's foreign policy advisors says the meeting lasted three hours. When it comes to its topics, first of all, it was the Ukraine crisis. And the second topic was possible development of strategic cooperation between the U.S. and Russia. Trump is now open to meet with Putin to discuss possible peace solutions. White House press secretary Caroline Levitt tells NTD's sister media the epoch times that the Russians expressed their desire to meet with President Trump

Starting point is 02:46:53 and the president is open to meeting with both President Putin and President Zelensky. President Trump wants this brutal war to end. The developments come just two days before a deadline for Russia to strike a peace deal with Ukraine. Trump says he'll increase economic pressure on Moscow if no deal is reached by Friday. You know, I think you're right about stable coin in Russia. And that's got to be a part of it. Listen, Vlad. All right. Armistice, okay?

Starting point is 02:47:22 We'll do armistice. We'll have a DMC. I think the armistice thing's a good idea, too. Armistice, demilitarized zone. And we'll get you your stable coin. And then we can do deals without those annoying Brussels people with Swift. It's easy. And that's exactly what we want.

Starting point is 02:47:36 And I think the Russians want that too. They're good traders. I mean, they don't compete with us, really, in the terms of a giant market. But everybody likes trading with us. There's a lot of opportunities here. We're good traders. We are. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:47:55 We are. So let's do some deals. Let's do a deal, man. Let's do some deals. Yeah, let's do some deals already. And the Russians, you know, they're running out of champagne, you know, these guys. They need champagne. No, you've been around these Russians and, you know,

Starting point is 02:48:09 in Europe you see a bunch of these Russian oligarchs. They're popping sham, the most expensive crap you can imagine. They're just opening it up and dumping it on women's heads. Oh, yeah. In the club. Yeah, they're just crazy. Yeah, they are. They are.

Starting point is 02:48:26 Although we appear to be auctioning off one of those oligarchs yachts, like a $325 million yacht. What's the stealing profit? property. We have to stop doing that. That's why this has got to end. That's very bad. You know, there was like this, all of a sudden, there was this huge breaking story. Alex Jones was flipping out over it that Trump is going to deny disaster aid to any state that boycotts Israel. Man, people went crazy. And what, and I looked into it. And what it was is there was some DHS document. And I wouldn't put it past Christy Noam to have put this in her

Starting point is 02:49:06 And it did indeed have language like, oh, if you have a state that, that boycotts, you know, BDS, that boycotts Israel, then, and of course, we know that, you know, Mossad has, has Epstein tapes on Trump. So obviously he would have to do that. And what did he do? He said, no, we're not doing that nonsense. We put American states first. So it died off real quick.

Starting point is 02:49:32 I thought that was rather interesting how, you know, you don't, you don't hear the, you don't hear people say, oh, Trump just went against the Mossad. I got a couple of clips on the data centers. Ah, okay. Because this should actually should have brought these in during the AI discussion. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, sure.

Starting point is 02:49:57 But I'm looking at these two clips and I can't figure out which is which, but let's start with data. Centers, VA, Virginia, NPR. The rise of data centers is becoming one of the hottest issues on the campaign trail this year in the election for the Virginia House of Delegates. Virginia Public Radio's Michael Pope has details. There's one issue that former delegate Elizabeth Guzman hears about all the time in her campaign for a battlefield house seat in Prince William County. Data centers. They are telling me, okay, great, data centers are here.

Starting point is 02:50:30 but I don't see what is in it for me. I don't see those incentives reflected on my property tax bill. The Republican incumbent, she's trying to unseat, is delegate Ian Lovejoy. In the last session of the General Assembly, he introduced an unsuccessful bill that would have prohibited local governments from allowing data centers within a quarter mile of parks, schools, or residences. When local governments get it wrong so often and so consistently, there is a role for the state government to step in and say that you're being out of line.

Starting point is 02:51:02 His bill did not get out of subcommittee, but the General Assembly did pass a separate bill that would have required local governments to do a site assessment of water use and potential noise output of any proposed data center. Republican Governor Glenn Yonkin vetoed it. Michael Pope. Water. At the very end, that guy, and that's what I have this is the second clip, you have to listen to the way this guy ended this thing.

Starting point is 02:51:34 He did the meme. What was that sigh? What's the name of your aunt? Anjiji. Angigi does an Aunt Gigi thing at the end. I have the very short version of it right here. This is the very end of that clip. Michael Pope.

Starting point is 02:51:51 Okay. It's not quite the same. What kind of reporting is that? This is NPR. Oh, wow. You got a guy moaning and groaning on there. Yeah. Oh, okay.

Starting point is 02:52:06 I think we should. We, we, we, okay. I got, I got a shorty here, a real shorty, because this was, I'm like, wow, we're spending money on this. It could be another giant leap for mankind and then some. Acting NASA administrator, Sean Duffy is set to fast track efforts to put a nuclear reactor on the moon by 20. 2030. Documents obtained by Politico and confirmed by ABC News detail the plan. Duffy calls it the second space race, citing similar plans by China and Russia. The concern is those countries could potentially block others from exploration if their reactor reaches

Starting point is 02:52:42 the lunar surface first. A reactor would be an essential source of power during long-term human stays on the moon, which is steeped in cold darkness for 14 days at a time. Oh, brother. Are we really spending money on that? I don't know why that new story even came up. Well, then to round out my clips for today, we know that there's a very exciting race in New York City for mayor of New York. Yes.

Starting point is 02:53:13 With Mamdani. Do we even know the Republicans' name? That's Sliwa. Oh, Curtis Slewa. Oh, Curtis Slewa. Well, he's not doing a good job of promoting himself. but we do have another candidate we've discussed them before he is a show favorite the one and only reverend manning

Starting point is 02:53:37 oh yes you've been saving this clip well no it's a new one you know he he's now campaigning and he has a very interesting campaign promise he will remove horsehair from hospitals and restaurants out in act legislation that you can't have braids if you work in a hospital. You're standing there trying to give the patient an IV in your hair dropping in their mouth. They can't breathe their eyes and over. They're chewing

Starting point is 02:54:04 on your hair. I don't know what happened to them. You can't have braids and false hair, horse hair in the hospital. Horse hair don't belong in the hospital. Horse hair don't belong in the restaurants. Horse hair don't belong in the schools. Horse hair don't belong on the horse's ass.

Starting point is 02:54:24 That's where I believe it. Don't belong on your head. Wow, I love him. Oh, brother. Okay, well, you get a borderline clip of the day for that one. Well, I didn't even expect... For that uncovering. I didn't even expect that. It's beautiful.

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Starting point is 02:55:00 No, this is your tip of the day, if you recall. Still ahead, Adam's tip of the day. Yeah, I have it. I do have a tip of the day. Oh, do you? Yeah, I had one last show, and so luckily I still have that. So I'll bring out my tip of the day. That's good news.

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Starting point is 03:04:47 immunity? Yes, it's a new phrase we're trying to hijack. So you do that and you get that along with really people who will be the first responders in any emergency for you at a no agenda meetup. You can find them at no agenda meetups.com. We don't have any meetup reports for this week as we're kind of winding down some of the summer. I expected to pick up a bit. But we do have a beer in the sun meetup happening tomorrow at 5.30. That's in Victoria, British Columbia at the Lighthouse Brewery. And on Saturday, the Treasure Valley Boise meetup at 3 o'clock at the old state saloon in Eagle, Idaho.

Starting point is 03:05:20 There's quite a number of, what are you drinking? I am drinking a doby mountain sparkling water. Lovely. Sparkling mineral water. I'm sure it has natural flavors. No flavors. It's just plain. Okay.

Starting point is 03:05:37 Well, plenty of meetups on the list for August all the way into September and beyond, including, remember, we got a big October 11th meetup happening in Fredericksburg, Texas. Plan accordingly because hotel rooms are sparked. and you'll need it. Well, you can stay at the full moon bed and breakfast at J6 or Jenny's place if you get in on time. And I'm looking forward to seeing everybody there. So go take a look at those. No agenda meetups.com.

Starting point is 03:06:05 It's where you can find a meetup near you. This is a great calendar system. You can submit your own meetups because if you can't find one, it's easy to start one yourself. Go ahead. Sometimes you want to go hang out with all the nights and days. You want to be where you won't be. Triggered all hell's the lame. You want to be where everybody feels the same.

Starting point is 03:06:31 It's like a party. I'm thinking you misclips your ISO because it's 15 seconds long? Oh, I must have misclipped it. Is it the very end? I don't know. I'll see. Show is over. Stay safe.

Starting point is 03:06:46 Yeah. Yeah. Let me see what was the whole thing. Another winner is in the can. Another winner is in the can Oh, this is you doing your AI Another winner is in the can You try to, oh, let me try it

Starting point is 03:06:56 Let me regenerate, maybe it'll be better Another winner is in the can Oh no, that's no good, let me try it again Shows is over Shows is over, that sucks, the AI is getting worse Another winner is in the can Oh, bland Dow is over, stay safe

Starting point is 03:07:10 Nah, no good I'll try this one Show is over, stay safe Okay Wow, that's great John, good work In fact, my ISO pertains to it. Good job. Keep it up. It's the same thing.

Starting point is 03:07:23 Mike, but to stay safe is funnier. Good job. Keep it up. I have more, though. So what did you say? It's totally bogus. We have some kid abuse. Always like using a kid. It's too long, but I did want to play this from Gus.

Starting point is 03:07:38 Please donate to my uncle's podcast because they have no money to feed their dogs. It just thought it was cute. There's this one. That is cute. Here's this one. Here we go. Two windbags one podcast. And then Senator Kennedy.

Starting point is 03:07:56 Pointless, organized, grab ass. Nah. So. Wow. I know it's kind of bad. You want to, well, I'm a good job. Keep it up. I like that one.

Starting point is 03:08:10 But yours is. Okay, you can use that. That's okay. It's acceptable. It's acceptable. I'm acceptable. I love it. Hey, everybody.

Starting point is 03:08:17 It's time for my tip of the day. Great advice for you and me. Just the tip with JCD. And sometimes Adam. Okay, I came across what I think is absolutely the best tip of the day in case of an emergency for when the grid goes down, when the EMP hits and you can't go anywhere. This is a case of 12 MREs. These are military, genuine, ready-to-eat meals.

Starting point is 03:08:54 And they come with water-activated, flameless heating. So it is not just some cold slop. And you can store them in just regular in your home. You don't have to refrigerate them or anything. This is from King's Surplus. It is the 7.5. MRE case 12-pack U.S. military, genuine ready-to-eat meals.

Starting point is 03:09:20 You can get variety A or variety B. I have tried them myself. They are actually delicious. What does one of these meals cost? Well, it costs you $38.95 for the 12-pack because they're tasty. So it's not cheap. But I find them to be okay. So you have that for dinner?

Starting point is 03:09:43 I did. I tried that and I tried Farmer's Dog. It was a toss-up between the two. Farmers' dog. Yeah, Phoebe's on Farmer's Dog. I always try what my dog eats. Which is actually maybe even a better tip of the day. If you get Farmer's Dog for your dog, you have your MREs ready to go. You just have, you know, the dog will starve, but okay, at least I won't. The beef, the beef recipe from Farmer's Dog is actually quite tasty. Okay. All right, there it is, everybody. Jarrah's tip of the day, brought to you by Sometimes Adam.

Starting point is 03:10:20 Created by us for you and me, just a tip with JCD. And sometimes Adam. Created by Dana Burnett. Okay, I admit it's hard to do a tip of the day. It's not an easy thing to do. It's hard to make it entertaining and interesting. I'll be the first. Do you have an extra one of those meals?

Starting point is 03:10:41 Yeah, I have 11 left. Why don't you send one to me? I want to see it if it's delicious. It's, well, after you say. This will be the encouragement. I'll send you the hard disk that we need for the recent backup. Oh, yeah, okay. And then when you send me the hard disk back,

Starting point is 03:11:00 okay. Put the meal in there. All right. There you go. That's incentive for you and for me. Yeah. Like it's ever. Win, win.

Starting point is 03:11:09 Like it's ever going to happen. I have to send you the hard disk or I won't get, because you already. said you won't you stop giving me free discs that's right yes because they're not just disc their actual drives is a big deal yeah you're saying you're like a 10 terabyte drive with the 100 megabytes of material uh millennial media offensive is next on the no agenda stream if you're listening live we got into show mixes from audio ghost jesse coy nelson and sound guy steve coming to you from the heart of the texas hill country in the morning everybody i'm adam curry I'm John C. DeVore.

Starting point is 03:11:44 We'll see you on Sunday until then. Remember us at knowagintedonidonidonidonidon.com. Adiosmofos, a hooey-hooie and such. Are you ready for your vaccine? Societyal responsibility. It'll save us all listen to me. Very frustrating. Because I'm a vaccine.

Starting point is 03:12:12 Yeah. That's really not the right attitude. This little child won't hurt at all. You can do it quickly. Thankful I don't vax you all. You can do it in bulk. That's the thing I really want to do. Because I'm a Vaxman.

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