No Agenda - 1791 - "Bolt Muncher"

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Adam Curry, John C. DeVorak. It's Sunday, August 17, 2025. This is your award winning Gimmon Nation Media Assassination, Episode 1791. This is no agenda. Rapping the red carpet and broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas Hill country here in FEMA region number six in the morning, everybody. I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley, where everybody thinks Putin won. I'm John C. Devorak.

It's Crackbott and Buzzkill. In the morning. Oh, man. It's tiring. It's tiring. It's just tiring. Everything is so tiring. Everybody's all...

Oh, there's no good, but he did. Oh, no. Here's your... That's pretty much all I've heard for the last 36 hours. Perseber. So did you see Margaret Brennan? I have Margaret Brennan. I have the clips.

With Rubio? I have everything. I'm ready to go. If you want to hear it, I got him all. I think Rubio holds his own. But I don't know what it is. I think people dislike him, but I think he's one of the best at arguing.

Well, so let's, because, yes, everything was rolling this morning on the clip machines. and we start with Margaret Grennan with Grennan. That's her new name. Margaret Grennan. Margaret Grennan. Well, she looks more like a Grennan than anything. She does.

Here's here she is with Fiona Hill just to get us into the mood. Good morning, Margaret. Well, Fiona, you were an advisor during that infamous Helsinki summit in 2018. You've spoken about that in the past. I wonder. Stop, stop, stop. We have to mention, so everyone was predisposed to thinking this way. Okay.

That this woman who used to work for Trump, but she's with Brookings. Yeah, Brookings Institute. Yeah, the very subversive. The Brookings is right up there with the Council on Foreign Relations and the WEF, and they're the ones that Nixon thought should be burnt to the ground in this operation. Yeah, well, that's the obvious reason why we have to put her on first, just to get into the mood of, you know, of the globalist mainstream media, the globalist mainstream media who do not like at all, at all, at all, what is taking place here?

What you think about how this Alaska summit compared? Well, it sucked, of course. Well, obviously quite different in many respects. Part of it was the fact that they decided to skip the one-on-one meeting and the lunch. I mean, these are usually part of the sort of set of summits like this. It's an outrage. They skipped the lunch. I'm not sure they skipped the lunch. I was looking at they had the schedule. There's no evidence. They were out one-on-one for three hours. I don't know what she's talking about.

And during that period of time, the lunch was served. Well, but, you know, somebody was starving him out? Somebody left the highly confidential menu documents on the printer, which just shows you how horrible this whole administration is. the menu was leaked I desperately tried to find a clip and all I could find was Hindu Hindu times and Times of India and those are just AI generated

slop videos no one really did a story on MPR did an article but no one really went all the way to do a oh I can't believe it clutching my pearls bit so anyway let's continue with this bit with Fiona And the press conference obviously was more of an announcement or a set of announcements, presentations by both leaders, much more by President Putin and more of a commentary by President Trump. So there wasn't that free-for-all of press questions, which I'm sure was a bit disconcerting for you

and others who were present there at Alaska. Very disconcerting for you, Margaret, that you couldn't ask questions. But the optics weren't exactly great as Congressman Crowe has laid out. for the United States and for President Trump again. I mean, again, different. But although it was presented as perhaps a show of power by being at a U.S. Air Force base with the fight passing of the B-52s and other fighter jets,

it did certainly look much more like a show of appreciation for Vladimir Putin. And so the optics were really much more favorable to Putin than they were to the United States. It really looked like Putin had set the agenda there, the narrative, and in many respects to the tone for the whole summit meeting. What an idiot. So first of all, it was a B-2 bomber. Not a B-502.

Like the B-52 was Rock Lobster. No, there was the B-2 bomber. And I thought the staging was phenomenal. The big Alaska 2025, you got your red carpets, you got... Oh, the staging, the whole thing was very... Looked like a TV show. They had the whole thing set up that way. And the way it was set up is Putin had to walk across to meet...

A mile. To meet his... host, President Trump's, a very big power move. And he was happy. He was like, I will say, I'm not entirely convinced this was the actual Putin. I agree. I've looked at a whole bunch of different. No, I agree.

I'm like, I don't know if this is the Putin that would be there. No, because there was a lot of talk. In fact, there was a couple of people on Twitter saying they should shoot him. And I'm surprised that they haven't been kicked off the platform for these kind of of things. Shoot who? Shoot Putin? Yeah,

there's a bunch, there's a couple of lunatics. I went to, look at this, this, well, I can't remember the guy's name because I had long ago blocked me some,

some lefty. And yeah, they advocated shooting him. Yeah. And I found that to be distressing. And the, I think there was a, there was a question as to the safety.

So I wouldn't be surprised me in the least if Putin, if that was not, that was the Putin doesn't. It didn't look like him. He didn't have the same kind of scowling mouth. His cheeks were a little puffier, which, of course, is because of the cancer that he has. We all know that he's dying.

It's been dying ever since the show began. Yeah, so, but I guess if he was carrying the official message, then what difference at this point does it make? But still, a little disappointing to see what I clearly thought was not the real Putin. Anyway, continue with Fiona, and then we'll go back to Jason Crowe, who she was referring to, just again so we can get the stage of the main street. Who is a Democrat Trump hater from Aurora, Colorado. Yes, that's why it's so fun to listen to. One more from Fiona here, because, you know, we're so, we're just, we're just out in sense, I tell you. You know, the president has a team of advisors around him, and in a traditional administration, those advisors would be setting the policy.

they would be planning the optics and they would be thinking through that. Do you think that the president's team set him up for success here? Oh, goodness gracious. Look, it may well have been that one of the demands, because we've heard from Secretary Rubio,

which I have to say, I think it was a very fair assessment of where things are. So it may well have been that one of the demands by the Russians to make any progress in moving further forward was to actually have that kind of show

of pomp and pageantry that basically marks Putin's re-entry. Hold on a second. When you fly our awesome B-2 bomber, because it just looks cool. Not on the ground, those wonky legs don't look cool. But when it's flying over, I mean, that to me said, yeah, bitch, look up. I mean, how can anyone see that differently? Like, oh, we're honoring you, Mr. Putin.

I don't understand how you can, that can be the takeaway. If you've got a skewed perspective. Oh, okay. Into international affairs. Maybe the Russians said to them in Moscow, either to Steve Witkoff or to Secretary Rubio or to anybody else, that basically they wanted to have a major U.S.-Russia bilateral summit appearance before they would move on to the nitty gritty of anything else in Ukraine.

That's, you know, to give them all the benefit of the doubt there. But it all now depends on what comes out of this. And I think, again, Secretary Rubio made it very clear that it's not going to be easy. He was certainly downplaying any expectations of a major breakthrough, but he did say that there was something that might be possible. And I think that's what's going to be the proof of whether this was actually worth all the effort that they went to in Alaska or not. Blah, blah, blah. Okay, so I'm playing these in reverse order just to get all the idiots out of the way.

So now we go to Jason Crowe. On Ukraine, you know that the U.S. intelligence assessment, is that the battlefield is turning in Russia's favor, despite the fact that Putin has to rely on Iran and North Korea to keep this thing going. If neither President Biden... By the way, that little... Oh, they have to rely on Iran and...

North Korea, which is a stinky little country, and Iran's got issues of their own, but somehow the giant Russian Federation has to rely on those two, otherwise they'd fall apart. Give me a break. Well, but this is, well, we'll get to the analysis. Let's just take it as the hits come here. Which is favor, despite the fact that Putin has to rely on Iran and North Korea to keep this thing going.

If neither President Biden nor President Trump were ever willing to commit troops, doesn't the Secretary have a point that it has to be hammered out at the negotiating table? You know, this absolutely will end at a negotiating table. like most conflicts will. But what happened on Friday was a historic embarrassment for the United States. There's no other way to put it.

No other way. You listen to what Marco Rubio and the president have said. They keep on saying they're dedicating time. They're making it a priority. They're focusing their attention on it. It's an embarrassment.

In any negotiation, when you're trying to end an armed conflict, there's nothing more important than understanding what motivates your adversary. What is making Vladimir Putin tick in this instance? Vladimir Putin does not care

about the amount of time that we're negotiating does. Does not care about a B2 bomber flyover. Does not care about a lineup of... Well, wait a minute. If this was all cowtowing to Putin, why doesn't he care? Then it was a failure, I guess. If he doesn't care,

these people... About the amount of time that we're where Aliccane does, does not care about a B2 bomber flyover, does not care about a lineup of F-22 fighters rolled out. He doesn't care about any of that. But Vladimir Putin cares about, is basically three things.

It cares about economic pressure in the form of sanctions. He cares about political and diplomatic isolation, being a pariah state. And he cares about military defeat. Those are the three things that will end this conflict. If he fuels pressure on all of those three fronts, and this administration continues to be unwilling to do anything to assert pressure in any of those three areas. Okay.

There's no sanctions or anything like that. But when did the representative from Colorado become, an expert on what Putin cares about, other than just the drinking club, I guess. Well, he's a ex-military guy. He's on the House Armed Forces Committee. Yeah, but I guess he's an expert. But then he just hates the everyone, everyone in the M5M just hated the red carpet. This one, this one.

That is only for our Hollywood celebrities. We don't do it for foreign heads or pariah states. They were freaked out about the red carpet. They did not like it. Like, look at what happened on Friday. Look at what happened, people. U.S. military personnel in uniform. In uniform.

Oh, no. Literally, we're on their hands and knees rolling out a red carpet for the most murderous dictator of the 21st century. Somebody who is kidnapped. The most murderous dictator. I thought that was a Nanyahu. You got it all wrong. And is holding prisoner tens of thousands of Ukrainian children. Somebody who started this whole war.

Right? This bullsidesism that the administration is engaging in, that both sides seem to come to the table and negotiate, Ukraine is the victim. They are the victim. They didn't start this war. Russia did. And somehow we keep on acting like Vladimir Putin deserves to be brought out into the open like any other head of state. This is a historic embarrassment and defeat for U.S. foreign policy. Oh, goodness. These people are living in the 70s, or at least their policies. And then before. Before we even get to Rubio, which is next, did you see Swalwell doing the rounds? Yeah, Swalwell was doing the rounds. I saw this. Wearing a Ukrainian t-shirt, kind of a drab olive.

Pretty much Zelensky's night shirt. Does he think that beard looks good on him? And he should brush his teeth. Maybe that's just video artifacts, but looks a little skanky. Anyway, here's his... He looks like a bum. Here's his one-minute take.

was in your sense of where this goes from here. Well, if you're Europe, you're quite worried now because you just saw the president of the United States achieve zero, and they will have to ask themselves, what more are they willing to do, knowing that they too could be thrown under the bus if Russia ever moved farther west. But as far as objectives,

I was hoping to hear that there would be a trilateral meeting. That didn't come out of this. I was hoping to hear there'd be a ceasefire. That didn't come out of this. And I was hoping to at least hear about the territory that would be proposed or exchanged by both sides, that didn't come out of this. Look, Alicia, I don't know if Donald Trump is or is not a Russian asset. I do know that at Congress conferences like this, and like at Helsinki,

he certainly acts like one, and that is cold comfort for anyone in the United States, particularly in our military, that the commander-in-chief would be so flattering of and so charming to a ruthless dictator like Vladimir Putin. So where was he, hold on a second, where was he flattering to Putin? Putin's the one who's flattering him. Red carpet, baby. The red carpet was flattering. The pomp and the hello, my friend Vladimir, that was, it was just flattering.

They didn't treat him like the murderous dictator that he is. And we just need to reset for one moment because it does not, it's, you know, history just gets papered over as it always does and it works in some cases well i have some i have some reminder clips here well why do we do a reminder clip before we get to rubio okay well here's the reminder clip this was on uh this was on bbc no i think it might have been bbc but it could have been uh yeah it was bbc this is trump putin anal oh anal not the not the regular opener No, this is the Trump, Putin, anal, you and this is the Russian United Nations ambassador, and he is giving, by the way, if you're new to the show, if you're new to the show, that's short

for analysis. It's just a long-running joke. Don't be a joke. I use that term because it's easier, it makes the length of the clip name shorter. It's the only word you spell correctly. because it's all uppercase, just to make sure I know what it is. But I'm with you, just helping people who are new to the show. Oh, I was just naming the clip. I didn't even think of the double entendre. I know, because we're beyond that, but sometimes there are new listeners. Oh, I see.

Oh, we have a bunch of people with dirty minds. Okay, well, anyway, here's the anal from Russia. There's a different standpoint, and there are a lot of people who are now in Mario, and who are very happy about this fact, and you can't deny it. So it depends very much on your standpoint. And also you should take into account views of about 7 million Ukrainians who found refuge in Russia after this all thing started. They also have their position.

They want to be identified as Russian speakers. They want to preserve their belief in canonic Orthodox Church. They don't want to be harassed by the Zelensky regime. This is also their choice, and it should be respected. There is a view, as you will well know, that President Putin has, to a degree, played President Trump here. President Trump, only a few days ago, mentioned the potential for serious consequences if the fighting didn't end, serious consequences for Moscow. They've gone away now, haven't they? President Trump is undoubtedly a clever man.

He takes decision on the basis of what he hears and what he processes, what he understands. So he now had a very good opportunity for an in-depth discussion with President Putin. I think this is fruitful for him and this is fruitful for us as well to better understand each other's standpoint. And it's absolutely no surprise to me that President Trump made certain conclusions that would change his positions which he took based on some distorted information and even a misinterpretation of certain of our statements. And who is this guy who's talking about? This is the ambassador of the United Nations from Russia.

Ah, okay. All right. But where's the history lesson? I have one more of clip from him where he talks about the history, and then I want to play Mearsheimer, who's another character in the play of, in the analysis play. So let's make you. What of the European position now, the EU's top diplomat, Kyakalas, once the prime minister of Estonia, has said, quote, the harsh reality is that Russia has no intention.

of ending this war anytime soon, and she sees the summit in Alaska as President Putin's way of extending this process without actually resolving the fighting at all. That's true, isn't it? Leading the witness. Maybe it's true according to the distorted vision of Ms. Callas and your colleagues, because the problem in Europe now is that they don't have a strategic vision about what's happening, they have only Russophobia and the notion of zero-sum games in their mind, and that's not something

that you will have a positive outcome during the negotiations. So, you know that we, from the outset, we were against any military exercises, any military efforts to solve the crisis. We were making a lot of proposals

which were rejected. And then it started, when it started, we didn't have any other choice. Well, it started when you invaded Ukraine, and since then, 13.5,000 civilians in Ukraine have been killed. Sorry, sorry, with all due respect, it started much earlier in 2014 when the West created anti-Russia as a result of anti-constitutional coup. And it's very hard to deny it. And that's the problem of Europe, that you want to show that it all started in 2022. And it didn't happen in the vacuum.

There were a lot of things prior to this, and it's very good that President Trump. now realizes that it has certain history which should be taken into consideration. Isn't it good? Briefly, if I may, with one more. Sure. Is President Putin willing to meet President Zelensky in the coming days and weeks? President Putin never denied the possibility of meeting President Zelensky. Is he willing to meet him? That's a slightly different point. I'm not President Putin. I can't say whether he will. Would you like him to?

I'm judging from his statement. in his statement. So he said that such a meeting should be well prepared and we are not yet there. So that I think where we stand right now. Dmitri Pollyanski, thank you very much, Russia's first deputy permanent representative to the United Nations. So the piece that is just, I mean, he's he's alluding to it, but let's just call a spade a spade. The United States, the nut jobs in the, I'll just call it the Victorian Newlands of the world, they're the ones that started this. They're the ones that have hated Russia with just a complete disdain.

F the EU, by the way, was what she said. Who cares? We just want to get these Russians. We just want the Russians mainly to steal their stuff. You know, what was it, $5 billion from Chevron. It's like, we're the bad guys here. And now we're trying to set it all straight. and no but no one remembers

no one remembers past 2022 there's no more history and we're just two old boomers who remember stuff well it's because we're this actually happened during the era of the no agenda show yes it was a fine era we witnessed the whole thing we had newland gotten your phone tapped

we had uh John Brennan the head of the CIA in Ukraine at the time of the Let's not forget the downing of the Malaysian aircraft, which was consistently blamed on Russia, thanks to open source intelligence, such as Bellingcat. Whatever happened to them. Yeah, well, the funding stops. No, the whole thing was set up by us, and we're trying to get out of it, and we want to forget these past facts. And can we play the Meersheimer clip?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I want to – this is – Who was Mearsheimer did a little? Who was Mearsheimer? Mearsheimer is a professor who's been in and out of the news a lot. He's a, he's probably anti-Trump, probably a Democrat, but he's got good analysis, and this was part of a long podcast, one of the spin-off podcasts, and of these, you know, these guys, they always get these guys on. And he thinks Trump didn't know what the hell was going. He was, this is only part of a long hour or so of him yakking away.

This is a good part. But just as a summary, he believes Trump didn't know what the hell he was doing. He didn't understand the situation. He's a very short-term memory. He doesn't know anything about the 2014 thing, really. It's just a lot of this, a lot of that. And he makes the assertion that Trump made a mistake when he promised secondary sanctions on the oil going to India and China and found a way out of his own dilemma with this meeting.

And now he could back off of that idea because he realized it wasn't a good one. And here's some summary that he kind of wraps with. I think there's one very important dimension to what Trump said that we don't want to lose sight of. Yes, it's called Dimension B. And that is, I think he's passing the torch to Zelensky. Yes. I think in a very important way, Trump has come to understand that he can't settle this one, right?

There's no way he can agree Trump to a peace agreement and convince the Ukrainians, the Europeans, and the Western foreign policy establishment that that's the smart thing to do. He can't convince Putin to agree to a ceasefire. So what can Trump do? And, of course, what Zelensky says he should do is put secondary sanctions on Russia. And we can talk about that because this meeting was in good part about secondary sanctions and Trump's interest in secondary sanctions in the past. But Trump understands. He was asked afterwards what this means for secondary sanctions. There are going to be no secondary sanctions, at least at this point, says Trump.

So the sanctions are off the table. The ceasefire is off the table. Trump is basically agreed with Putin that you've got to go directly. said this. You've got to go directly for a peace agreement. So Zelensky comes to the White House. What does this mean? He's basically saying, I believe, that Zelensky and the Europeans can now sit down with Putin and they can work this out. If they need me, I'll be there. But it's up to them. I'm not going to cut a deal and then try and force it down the throats of the Ukrainians and the Europeans because they don't want to go along with me. So, If you listen to the press conference, this is what you were playing.

He said it's ultimately up to them. He said he's going to call NATO. He's going to call the Ukrainians. But what happens is, and these were his words, it is ultimately up to them. But that's exactly what the truth is. And I think, before we get to Rubio here, the Europeans don't want peace. They have no economy. They, as Macron said, war economy.

As Piper said, we're going into debt. We're changing our car companies into tank building companies. They need an enemy. So whatever the outcome, it has to be unsettled because they need to continue to milk the European citizenry of their money and, print it, which is the same thing, also stealing, so that they can continue to have any kind of economy. And maybe President Putin also kind of needs that himself, the way the sanctions are and not on Swift. And, you know, yeah, you can still sell oil the China and India and doesn't

really want secondary sanctions. But the entire Western, and so are we, by the way. We're now selling the gear. Well, at least we're not giving it away. No, that's better. But, you know, there's no outrage over our stuff killing people. Okay. And, you know, that was the whole NATO 5%. It was first 2% when we're not doing it.

Then I want five because I really want three and a half. He gets three and a half. They're buying it from us. They make hundreds of billions of euros available to buy our stuff. So we're right now in a global war. economy. And we actually have another out. We don't really need this one because we've got China, Taiwan, China, ship, submarines, bases. So we're covered. And I don't think any, these people don't really want to deal, at least not one that doesn't include war machinery. Your thoughts,

John C. DeVore, I go. What say you? Well, we have. I've always concluded that their Europeans are war mongers in general. They have a war mentality. They've always had this. It's been a problem with them all the time. It's one of the reasons our country was formed in the first place. True. And to get away from them.

And that's where I found the father says, let's stay out of these guys' business because they're just going to kill each other. That's what they like to do. And that's what they're going to continue to do. I see no evidence of the contrary. That's going to change. So Marco Rubio, who, you know, of course, if you walk around Fredericksburg and say, Marco, oh, can't trust him. He's a snake.

He's a snake in disguise. And why is that? I have no idea. What has he done that snake like? Dancing. He was a dancer. He was a dancer. Suspicious.

That's a stripper. Suspicious. He's Chippendale. I didn't know if he was a Chippendale. He probably didn't make it to the Chippendale leagues. But he's very gracious in this interview first by... For a while. First of all, he sounds like, oh, my God.

I can't believe I have to talk to this woman here. This is horrible. Yes, he does not like talking about her. And then he just skips over the whole what really started this, which is kind of gracious towards his predecessors, which President Trump is not. But here we go. Good morning to you, Mr. Secretary.

Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Oh, good morning. I really, why am I here? Good morning to you, Mr. Secretary. Good morning. Thank you. Vladimir Putin did not give President Trump the ceasefire he sought, and now Putin says the root causes of the conflict have to be resolved in a peace agreement. Isn't the root cause the fact that Russia invaded in the first place?

Oh, boy. Oh, boy. Well, ultimately, yeah. But, I mean, what he means by root causes is this long historical complaints that we've heard repeatedly, is not a new argument. He's been making this for a long time. And it's the argument that it's Western encroachment. I don't want to get into it. It's just so long. But the bottom line is. This bothers me a little bit. I don't want to get into it. You need. Yeah, he could have brought the 2014 thing up. He could have brought a lot up. And, and, and, and, but again, I just think he's being gracious or I don't know, but towards the Biden administration and

predecessors. But okay, all right, we'll just, I don't want to bring it up. Moving forward. You're an encroachment. I don't want to get into it. It's just so long. But the bottom line is that all of us, you know, we're not going to focus on all of that stuff. We're going to focus on this. Are they going to stop fighting or not? And what it's going to take to stop the fighting. And what it's going to take to stop the fighting. If we're being honest and serious here is both sides are going to have to give and both sides should expect to get something from this. And that's a very difficult thing to do. It's very difficult because Ukraine obviously feels, you know, harmed and rightfully so because they were invaded. And the Russian side, because they feel like they've got momentum in the battlefield. And frankly, don't care. Don't seem to care. very much about how many Russian soldiers die in this endeavor. They just churned through it. So I think what the president deserves a lot of credit for is the amount of time and energy that his administration is placing on reaching a peace agreement for a war that's not a war that started under him. It's half, you know, it's on the other side of the world. That said, I mean, it's relevant to us, but there are a lot of other issues he can be focused on. So tomorrow we'll be meeting with President Zelensky. We'll be meeting with European leaders. We just met

with Putin. He's dedicated a lot of time and energy because he has made it a priority of his administration to stop or end war or stop wars or prevent them. And right now this is the biggest war going on in the world. It's the biggest war in Europe since World War II. We're going to continue to do everything we can to reach an agreement that

ends the dying and the killing and the suffering that's going on right now. All right. So by the way, I think someone slipped him some gigawatt because he's sparking up a little bit. I should wake up here. This is important. It's going to be played on the agenda show. I got to get some clips for the boys.

Well, I mean, you know this well, how long these kind of diplomatic negotiations often take. President Trump was telling European leaders what was discussed was Putin demanding control of Dinesk, a region in the east that his forces do not fully hold. And the UK estimates that taking that full area could be as long as another four years. Putin also is demanding Russian be an official language in Ukraine and something regarding Russian Orthodox churches. Did the U.S. Something. Oh, no.

Just something, something about orthodox. The other guy had it right. Those areas are Russian speaking already. Yeah, and they want to be Russian. And they want to be Russian and they want to keep speaking Russian because you have to remember that the Ukrainian government made it

a crime. A crime. It made a crime to speak Russian. It made a crime to speak Russian in the Russian speaking areas. And they didn't want all the Ukrainian speaking. Russian like she said? They don't want all the Ukrainians

speaking, being part of the Russian Orthodox Church like she said. She's full of shit. But my question from a media, analist standpoint, why are they like this? Is this only

to hate on Trump for midterms for Democrat wins? Or is this? Or, wait before you answer, or is this because they're part of the war machine and just want more more war in the world which is good for overall business it's good for her business too if everything's great i mean go look at you go look at news google.com tell me there's one happy story it's happy stories in there's no happy stories in there

so but is is that why is is the global no it's the first reason the second reason is just a just a bonus Okay, but they hate Trump because of the things he's doing. Not just because of who he is, because of the things he's doing, which is counterintuitive to the war of the world. So ultimately it all comes down to they want war. They want strife. They want people angry at each other. Am I missing something?

Well, what you're missing, I think, is that the Democrats in general were always the peacenicks, and it had the row reversal took place where they're pro war and they don't read i don't believe that they actually want to be pro war they're just kind of in that position because because trump is such such a piece nick he's like a 60s piece nick and they don't know what to they're beside themselves but the whole thing they figure can be resolved by winning the the 20 26 midterms and then impeaching him again they think that's the solution to everything right so that they can go back to being war mongers. It all comes down to war.

I don't think they want. I think they'd rather go back to being peacsticks, but they have to rid themselves of this Trump thing. Please, the military industrial complex has a hold of them. Maybe controlling them, but I don't think that they're in their hearts. Oh, they have good hearts? Well, I don't know if they have good hearts or not. I'm not a mind reader, but they, it's just, it's, they're put themselves in a position where it's just awkward.

The Democrats are in a very awkward philosophical position, and they don't know what to do about it. That's one of the reasons they're so screwed up. Okay. Well, we continue. Language in Ukraine and something regarding Russian Orthodox churches. Did the U.S. accept all of what Putin laid out at that table? I'm not going to tell you, honey.

The United States is not in a position to accept anything or reject anything, because ultimately it's up to the Ukrainians. They're the ones that Russia has to make peace with. President said he did come to some agreements. It's up to the Ukrainians to make these conditions. Well, the agreements were that we were going to try to do things like, for example, get a leader, a leader's meeting. We have to make enough progress so that we can sit down President Zelensky and President Putin in the same place, which is what President Zelensky has been asking for and reach a final agreement that ends this war. Now, there were some concepts and ideas discussed that we know the Ukrainians can be very supportive of in that meeting.

I don't think it's, we're not going to negotiate this in the media. I understand that everybody wants to know what happened. But ultimately, there are things that were discussed as part of this meeting that are potentials for breakthroughs, that are potentials for progress. We'll be discussing that more in-depth tomorrow with our European allies, with the Ukrainians that are coming over. We'll be discussing all of these things because ultimately we do need to find areas where we're making progress and try to begin to narrow the gap between the two sides. But there's a reason why this war has been going on for three and a half years. And that is when it comes to the big issues here, there are still some big differences between both sides. let's see how much progress we can continue to make.

It's not been easy, but it's something the president's made a priority, peace, and he deserves a lot of credit for that. And I think another part of the problem here is that because it's the Trump administration, the media is not read in on everything continuously all the time from leakers and just handed a memo, you know, here's what was discussed, here's your story, don't worry about doing any work. The only thing they got truly from the president, was this.

I believe we had a very productive meeting. There were many, many points that we agreed on. Most of them, I would say. A couple of big ones that we haven't quite gotten there, but we've paid some headway. So there's no deal until there's a deal. I will call up NATO in a little while. I will call up the various people that I think are appropriate.

And I'll, of course, call up President Zelensky and tell them about today's meeting. It's ultimately up to them. They're going to have to agree with what Marco and Steve and some of the great people from the Trump administration who've come here. But we had an extremely productive meeting and many points were agreed to. There are just a very few that are left.

Some are not that significant. One is probably the most significant. But we have a very good chance of getting there. Okay. Before we come back to. Rubio. I just want to go on a little side trip here to our anti-constitutional douchebag, Farid Zakaria, who of course, whenever it's something of international concern, we need to bring her a Farid Zakaria because, you know, he's elite and he knows everything.

And he just took it one step further with Tapper. Farid, thanks for joining us. So President Trump called the meeting extremely productive. He definitely tried to put a positive spin on. Let's be frank. He was, trying to bring peace and end a war. I mean, there's nothing wrong about his goal. Well, no, but that's wrong. We can't have peace. But it does appear there really wasn't anything concrete achieved. No ceasefire, no sanctions relief or sanctions imposed. We don't really know where we are other than Putin got himself a summit in Alaska. What do you make of what we just saw? Yeah, I think you have it right, Jake. Look, the atmospherics of the entire summit was somewhat

cringeworthy, the fact that Putin was being welcomed on American soil, the fact that Trump gave him literally a red carpet treatment, the kind he has rarely given to any, you know, democratic ally of the United States. You can tell that... What? This, it's unbelievable. This guy who gladly walks the red carpet of the White House correspondence dinner is, it was the atmospherics, the atmospherics were cringeworthy, I tell you. Somewhat cringe-worthy, the fact that Putin was being welcomed on American soil, the fact that Trump gave him literally a red carpet treatment, the kind he is rarely given to any, you know, Democratic ally of the United States. You can tell. Most Democratic allies are welcomed by the president. They all get the red carpet treatment. Personally, at the front door of the White House, this was pretty remote compared to that. Yeah, up in the middle of nowhere, Alaska, at an Air Force base. With our jets and our bombers flying over. So it was just so red carpet.

I think Putin is, you know, is an equal, is this big shot on the world stage. And he's been treated by the rest of the West as a kind of pariah. I mean, he can't go to Europe because he'd be arrested. And so there was a lot of the atmospherics that were cringeworthy. But I will say on the most important thing, at least for me, it was positive that there was no deal. I think everyone was worried that there was going to be a deal in which Trump was going to make major concessions. I don't think anyone thought Putin was going to make any concessions. The fear was that Donald Trump was going to cave in various ways, sell out Ukraine, sell out the Europeans.

And he didn't do that. Oh, we dodged the bullet. At least he didn't sell out the Europeans. This Zakaria guy is unbelievable. Now, in this next bit, in this next bit, I didn't get this. I miss this one. Guys, this literally popped up in the feed, so I'm very, very grateful for the Algo today.

Do you remember our prop bets? Because Zakaria runs through a couple of these. And I don't really remember our prop bets. Do you remember the ones that we had? I'm sorry? Our prop bets. Oh, the prop bets. Yeah.

Do you remember what we had on different prop bets? I think if I had the list. year. Do you have the list? Because Zakaria brings up a few of them, and I was, as I was listening to him, like, I can kind of remember him if he, if you bring up. Well, let's see. It's short, so we'll just run through it. You know, I'm at least relieved. Now, when you watch it, what you saw was Putin had clearly decided. His strategy was he was going to make no substantive concessions of any kind, but he was going to really amp up the flattery of Trump. So he says, if Trump had been president, there would have been no war, easy for him to say now Trump should get the Nobel Prize. He's amazing. He did not say that.

He didn't say that. I watched that was one of the prop bets. That was a prop bet, but he didn't say that. Now, he did say. No, he didn't. I don't remember him saying that either. And I got the prop bet right here. I watched the whole thing. In fact, Putin to endorse Trump for Nobel Prize was five to two. Yeah, but it didn't happen. So we would have lost, lost our nuts on that. But he He did say, and this was the very end of the, as you call it, our long speech. By the way, wait, wait. Hillary Clinton said he should get the Nobel Peace Prize. Correct.

She said she would endorse him, yes. And she looked haggard when she said it. Who boy. So what happened to, ever since her girl married the Soros kid, Hillary's appearance has gone downhill. Well, it's because of the lack of attention. Or adrenachrome, one or the other. All right.

So he says if Trump had been president, there would have been no war, which is easy for him to say now. Trump should get the Nobel Prize. He's amazing. He didn't say he was amazing. I specifically listened to the whole thing. Did not say he was amazing. All that, you know, it was cheap and easy rhetoric for Putin. But he laid that on thick.

But at the end of the day, he made no. concessions. So Trump comes back empty-handed, but, you know, in a way, better to come back empty-handed than to have given away, you know, a quarter of Ukraine. Like, I mean, where does he

come up with this? There's no, we can't give away Ukraine. We can't get, we have no, we don't have these powers. This is Brandon also did the same thing. Why didn't Trump demand? Why didn't Trump demand? Yeah, because that's. We can't make demands.

This is not our, we're not in this war, except for the fact that we started it, we started it, except for the fact that we started it. The fact that we started it, but that's beside the point. It didn't, we didn't, we didn't. But this is, this is the thinking of the globalist. The globalist thinks when they're in charge, they do control everything. That's their thinking. That's why they're always saying, Trump is a dictator. You know, what you say by yourself. Like, we want to be the dictator, not Trump, because that guy, he just makes, tries to make people. peace bad. No. Zakaria is exactly in the same circles of people who would think they are in charge of the world like that. So now we go back to Margaret Brennan with Rubio because we now know that Volodymyr, or as Tina called him this morning, Voldemore, she didn't do it purposely, but it kind of liked it. So Voldemore is coming tomorrow and all of a sudden, All of the EU leaders are coming.

Queen Ursula, Kier, Starmor. Of course, we're going to have Mark Rutter will be there to make sure that we still are buying weapons. We have to be afraid of Russia because they will be the threat, the threat for at least the next 10 years. So we have to keep them in the threat because I'm a sales guy. And Margaret Brennan thinks that this is for the following reason. This is the best one. This is good. President Trump told Fox News his.

advice to President Zelensky is make a deal. Russia's a very big power and they're not. You know there is concern from the Europeans that President Zelensky is going to be bullied into signing something away. That's why you have these European leaders coming as back up tomorrow. Can you? No, it isn't. That's not why they're coming us back. That's not true. This is so good. This is like the fact that she just, you know, you know that all the European leaders, Queen Ursula, they have to come with him because they're afraid that he'll be bullied like the last time he was bullied

in the White House, in the Oval Office. I should mention this. This is great. Which is that they have been replaying, the media has been, all the media has been replaying that old clip where Trump bullied.

Bullied. He didn't really bully him, but he gave him grief in the White House. It's old and then they had a lot of media, meetings ever since. This was the original meeting when he, Trump was irked because Zelensky wouldn't even wear a suit. It comes in there and he starts acting like an idiot. Well, no, he was, they were supposed to sign the deal and the mineral deal and he didn't sign it. Right. He didn't sign this deal. Yeah. Yeah. So, and by the way, I have, they keep playing this old, they've been playing this old clip all last week. It's entertainment. For what brand just said.

It's entertainment. Of course. That was the teaser. We all know because we've played the clips of the bullying. It's going to happen again. Can you? No, it isn't. That's not where they're coming us back. That's not true. But that's not, why, that's not true.

They're not coming here tomorrow to keep Zelensky from being bullied. They're not coming. In fact, they're coming here tomorrow. They're coming here tomorrow. Do you know how many meetings we had since then? Oh, no, I know. And I was just up in Alaska watching the one with Vladimir Putin where a red carpet rolls rolled out for the rest of the leader. We've had more meetings.

We've had, we've had one meeting with Putin. and like a dozen meetings with Zelensky. So, but that's not true. They're not coming here tomorrow to keep Zelensky from being bullied. They're coming here tomorrow because we've been working with the Europeans. We talked to them last week. There were meetings in the UK over the previous weekend. And they said President Trump was going to demand the ceasefire.

As early as Thursday. But you said that they're coming here tomorrow to keep Zelensky for being bullied. They're not coming here tomorrow. This is such a stupid media narrative that they're coming here tomorrow because Trump is going to bully Zelensky into a bad deal. We've been working with. these people for weeks, for weeks on this stuff. They're coming here tomorrow because they chose to come here tomorrow. We invited them to come. We invited them to come. The president invited them to come.

And we'll go to Queen Ursula in a moment who spoke this morning, but one more, one last clip here from Mark. Because Marco, finally the gigawatt kicked in. But the president told those European leaders last week that he wanted to ceasefire. The president went on television, said he would walk out of the meeting if Vladimir Putin didn't agree. He didn't walk out of the meeting. He was on. He said there would be severe consequences if he didn't agree to one. He said he'd walk out in two minutes. He spent three hours talking to Vladimir Putin and he did not get one. He was getting his instructions from Vladimir Putin, of course. So there's some next messages. Because obviously things happened during that meeting. Well, because obviously things, look, our goal here is not to stage some

production for the world to say, oh, how dramatic he walked out. Our goal here is to have a peace agreement, to end this war, okay? And obviously we felt, and I agreed, that there was enough progress, not a lot of progress, but enough progress made in those talks to allow us to move to the next phase. If not, we wouldn't be having Zelensky flying all the way over here. We wouldn't be having all the Europeans coming all the way over here. Now, understand, and take with a grain of salt, I'm not saying we're on the verge of a peace deal, but I am saying that we saw movement, enough movement to justify a follow-up meeting with Zelensky and the Europeans, enough movement for us to dedicate even more time to this. You talk about the sanctions. Look, at the end

of the day, if peace is not going to be possible here, and this is just going to continue on as a people will continue to die by the thousands. The president has that option to then come in and impose new sanctions. But if he did this now, the moment the president puts those additional sanctions, that's the end of the talks. You've basically locked in at least another year to year and a half of war and death and destruction. We may unfortunately wind up there, but we don't want to wind up there. We want to wind up with a peace deal that ends this war so Ukraine can go on with the rest of their lives

and rebuild their country and be assured that this is never going to happen again. That's the goal here. We're going to do everything possible to make. that happen if it's doable. It will require both sides to make concessions. It will require both sides to get things they're asking for. That's how these deals are made, whether we like it or not. I got two more from Whitkoff, because Whitkoff has been the main negotiator. He's met with Putin several times. All these people like Rubio and Whitkoff, they do these interviews like they have a gun to their head. I'm like, okay. Well, listen, I'll do brand-

And you got to do Tapper. Oh, man, why do I have to do Tapper? He's such a douchebag. Who was in the room for the Trump-Puton-3 summit, and it was a three-on-three, and he was one of the three. He has also met face-to-face with Vladimir Putin many times, including earlier this month in Moscow. Ambassador Whitkoff, always good to have you on. Thank you so much. So President Trump called this an extremely productive meeting and said many points were agreed to.

You were in the room. Can you give us two specific points that were agreed to? Why does he only ask for two? But what is this? Did they pre-agree? Listen, a producer. I'm going to give Tapper two, okay? That's all I'm giving him.

I mean, that's a very odd way to stage the question. That is very strange. He could have said, can you tell us some or any? A couple? A couple would have been better, anything, but specifically two. We're agreed to. You were in the room. Can you give us two specific points that were agreed to?

We agreed, Jake. First of all, thank you for having me, and good morning. We agreed to robust security guarantees that I would describe as game-changing. We didn't think that we were anywhere close to agreeing to Article 5 protection from the United States, legislative enshrinement within the Russian Federation, not to go after any other territory when the peace deal is, you know, codified, legislative enshrined in the Russian Federation, not to go after any other European countries and violate their sovereignty. So we agreed to, and there was plenty more. Oh.

So Tapper goes, no. Oh. That was. So it's like a shocker. But that was, that was the most informative one minute of audio. I got. He said there will be Article 5 like protections. Just to remind everybody, NATO Article 5, if you strike one of us, you strike all of us. We all band together as NATO and we come and get bombed. You get bombed. Exactly. So Article 5 like protection is a huge concession. I'm not

sure what it means yet. And we're not even sure. Well, but... Whitkoff knows what it means. Well, bear with me. Because I think we can find out what that is. Article 5 like. So that doesn't necessarily mean NATO, but Article 5

like. And the second thing he says is it will be enshrined into their legislation, which I guess means legally they'll agree to it that Ukraine won't take any territory after this deal is done and Russia won't take any territory. That to me sounds like

There's a real deal in the making. And all Tapper does is, huh. And that, listen. I know. Like, huh, because. Can you elaborate more? He could have said. He could have said.

That's fascinating. Yeah. What do you think he said? What was the, because I have the exact follow up. What did he say after that statement, which was the most informative of all of the talks coming straight from the guy who was there who speaks English without the weave? I think I'm like oh that I can guess exactly what he said okay he said he said huh which is the opening huh can you uh uh is there so was that assured was it does that look like that's

the kind of the deal that's going to go through and you think that'll be part of the final uh the final determination something along those lines you think that so you did so that sounds like a very positive thing you think that's going to happen that's what he said obviously uh my my partner is being very facetious here on the show no because he that's what i would do he knows that it's a little show it's cnn it's jake tapper no that's not what he did we go from the disdain huh into his next bit oh um here's what president trump said going into the meeting about the need for a ceasefire uh let's roll that tape i want to see a ceasefire rapidly i don't know it's going to be today

but I'm not going to be happy if it's not today. Everyone said it can't be today, but I'm just saying I want the killing to stop. I'm in this to stop the killing. Obviously, the ceasefire didn't happen. Last night, Russia launched more than 60 aerial attacks across Ukraine, killing at least five people, injuring 11. President Trump had said if he didn't like what he was hearing in the meeting,

he would walk out. Why didn't he, once it became clear Putin was not going to agree to a ceasefire, which would end the bloodshed now? This is the meeting they had. All right, everybody. when to go after the fact that Trump, Trump, the Orange Man, that he said he would walk out. Margaret, you got that? Yeah, I got that.

Martha, you got it? Yeah, I got that. They all did it. You said he would walk out in two minutes. He didn't walk out. What's wrong with him? What does Vladimir have on him? Do they have compromise? That's the meeting they had.

You're exactly right. They all asked the same question. They all did the exact same thing. uh in this regard yep jake the one thing we were there as a mediator so we were obviously advancing the ukrainian view the one thing that the president cannot agree to on behalf of the ukrainians is any sort of land swap that is for the ukrainians we've they've asked us uh uh or stated that to us and uh the president is respectful of it but that's why we're moving so quickly to a meeting on Monday at the Oval Office with President Zelensky.

That being said, we covered almost all the other issues necessary for a peace deal. So I described the ceasefire as the interim move where you would then negotiate towards a peace deal. We made so much progress at this meeting with regard to all the other ingredients necessary for a peace deal that President Trump pivoted to that place. Now, we're not waiting a week for a meeting with President Zelensky and the European leaders, or two weeks, or three weeks. We're going into a meeting with them within 48 hours of ending this meeting in Alaska. So we are intent on trying to hammer out a peace deal that ends the fighting permanently very, very quickly, quicker than a ceasefire. Okay. So now we go to Europe this morning, Queen Ursula and Prince Zelensky had their little talk in the, in Brussels, in the EU commission press room. And Zelensky, I mean, he, he said puppy dog eyes the whole time towards Queen Ursula while she's talking. Puppy dog eyes. And she's clearly on a riser. She's got a, she's got a standing on an apple crate. And she is just like.

Like, this is my moment. This is my moment. I am the queen. I'm Queen Ursula. And she's going to lay it out. And I think we find out what the Article 5 like security is going to be. I'm very glad that I'm able to accompany you and other European leaders for the meeting tomorrow. So you don't get bullied?

That we do have with the U.S. president in the White House. Since the beginning of Russia's brutal invasion. Brutal invasion. What happened to full scale, lady? Stick to the script. Brutal invasion. Europe has been at Ukraine's side, united, and we will support you for as long as it takes,

for just and lasting peace. And this peace must be achieved through strength. Let me touch upon the main point. First, we must have strong security guarantees to protect both Ukraine and Europe's vital security interests. Ukraine must be able to uphold its sovereignty and its territorial integrity, there can be no limitations on Ukrainian armed forces, be it cooperation with.

She, by the way, is the negotiator in this. So, you know, you're hearing the actual Ukrainian talking point. So they have to be able to have their own army, which I'm sure Putin's fine with. And Europe wants that too. They want to arm, they want to arm those boys up to the hilt, but not with the traditional things. There can be no limitations on Ukrainian armed forces, be it cooperation with or other third countries or assistance from other third countries, no limitations for the Ukrainian armed forces. As I've often said, Ukraine must become a steel porcupine, undigestible for potential invaders. We're back to the steel porcupine bit. This is great.

Ukraine has to be a steel porcupine with all of our. stuff that we are going to buy from America and give to you. We welcome President Trump's willingness to contribute to Article 5 like security guarantees for Ukraine. And the coalition of the willing, including the European Union, is ready to do its share. We know that the work of defending Europe is first and foremost our responsibility. And we've been working hard to speed up and scale up as we increase Europe's defense capability.

Through the safe instrument, we are now. ensuring that the defense needs of member states and Ukraine can be matched and that Ukraine's industrial defense base is strengthened. I am thinking in particular of drones here. This is in our mutual interest and I intend to travel to the frontline member states in the coming weeks. At the same time, we continue to support Ukraine's path to its membership in the European Union. This in itself is also a security guarantee. There you go. So Article 5, like security guarantees, means that they have a path into the EU, and it would be the EU would be the NATO-like organization in this case for the Article 5 like security guarantees. It's going to be the EU, and since they don't have any planes or bombers or tanks, they're going to build drones.

They're going to start a drone industry in Ukraine. That's been brewing for a long time. No, we've already had the clips on it. They already have it. Yeah, but they have a high-end, they have smart aeronautical engineer. That's where Antonoff is. Yes. And Antonoff is one of the great plane makers of the world.

That's also Eric Schmidt. Eric Schmidt has his whole drone outfit. And there you have the Eric Schmidt operation going on. Yeah, the drone thing is going to be what they're going to do. Now, the thing I want to mention about the ceasefire that Trump bailed on. It was made obvious to him. And it's obvious to everybody that their ceasefire was a phony baloney deal if it was going to happen. In the first place, Mearsheimer talked about this, too, that the ceasefire would have just meant a stoppage to allow Ukraine to build up forces and even bring in some European troops that were threatened by, I think, the UK wanted to send some people over and some others.

So they would just make the war worse. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. All right. So now they throw out, this is really the, how is the term I'm looking for? Because, of course, we have to have an out or we have to be able to blame somebody else if this doesn't happen. And that's the actor. So let the actor take the fall. If we don't like what we see, if we don't like what we hear, we're going to push it on the prints. My second point, with regards to any territorial questions in Ukraine, our position. is clear. International borders cannot be changed by force. These are decisions to be made by

Ukraine and Ukraine alone. And these decisions cannot be taken without Ukraine at the table. We have to have our prints at the table. My certain final point, as long as the bloodshed in Ukraine continues, Europe will maintain diplomatic and in particular economic pressure on Russia. We will continue to strengthen sanctions. We have adopted 18 packages so far, and we are advancing preparation for the 19th. The 19th sanctions package. At what point do you figure out that it's not going to do any good?

Your sanctions are useless. All right, so then, uh, final, then Volodymyr speaks. I only got a minute and a half of him. Actually, in some ways, the sanctions are hurting Europe more than they're hurting Russia. They absolutely are. I mean, not to mention the fact that the Russian oligarchs, I'd love to go to Santropay and drop tens of thousands of dollars on Dom Perignon

for the house. Yeah, with those Roman candles and all the babes. We've seen it. We know it. Yes. Yes. It's cool. Thank you so much, dear Ursula. Ursula, dear Ursula. Thank you for your support. Thank you for this day.

It's very important for all your supports from the way. very beginning of this war and it's very important that you are with us and that we speak to America and we speak together and it's important that Washington is interesting the way he frames that it's like it's almost like we're the enemy here in this it's very important that we speak to America together you know as a unified front because you know we can't trust that that was interesting catch you are with us and that we speak to America and we speak together. And it's important that Washington is with us.

And today in several forms, we are deciding what we are going to discuss in Washington. Dear journalists, it's crucial that Europe is... How many leaders do you know that say, dear journalists, listen up, this is what I want you to write. This is important. We gave you the briefing. Dear journalist, this is important. what we are going to discuss in Washington. Dear journalists, it's crucial that Europe is as united now as it was at the very beginning,

as it was in 2022, when the full-scale war began. This unity really helps to reach real peace, and it must stay strong. We have to stop the killings. Putin has many demands, but we do not know all of them. and if there are really as many as we heard, then it will take time to go through them all. It's impossible to do this under the pressure of weapons. So it's necessary to ceasefire and work quickly on a final deal. So already he's backpedaling on this by saying,

no, we've got a ceasefire before we have a final deal. He's sabotaging it and it's obvious that Ursula has her hand up his butt, pulling the strings. We'll talk about it in Washington. Putin does not want to stop the killing, but he must do it. Second, we need real negotiations, which means

they can start where the front line is now. The contact line is the best line for talking, and Europeans support this. And we thank everyone. Russia is still unsuccessful in Donetsk region.

Putin has been unable to take it for 12 years. We're winning. And the constitution of Ukraine makes it impossible, impossible to give up territory or trade land. Since the territorial issue is so important,

it should be discussed only by the latest of Ukraine and Russia at the trilateral Ukraine, United States, Russia. So far, Russia gives no sign that trilateral will happen. And if Russia refuses, then new sanctions,

Must follow. So what he's saying is we want to be an equal footing with the United States at the table. You know, we don't like it that you're doing the deal for us. And the only way out of this, which I think is the correct way for... And by the way, what deal are we doing for them? We're just trying to facilitate as far as I understand. I don't see that we're doing anything in that regard. Well, there's...

We are trying to facilitate, but I'm... I mean, we're not doing any deals. Well, I think the deal that's on the table is we give some kind of guarantee that during the accession period of Ukraine into the EU, they get Article 5 like guarantees from the EU, not from NATO, but from the EU. And so that way, while that's taking, and they'll take several years because they have to get rid of, in fact, it may never happen. And Europe probably doesn't want it to happen.

But in the meantime, we can continue all of our corruption, scams, all of our money laundering through the drone industry and whatever else we're going to be setting up there. And the new, the new, new Ukraine, we've already started the rebuilding Ukraine process. And we'll have this reason to buy military equipment and to start manufacturing our own. But apparently it's not going to be tanks or planes or guns. It's going to be drones. Because that's what they needed. They need that continuous threat. And I'm still not sure that we won't wind up with a demilitarized zone and an armistice at the end of the day.

In the newsletter, you actually wrote some interesting things about how similar the U.S. and Russia are, which I thought was quite correct. And I'm not going to play any clips from it. But President Putin actually his entire, and it was long, his eight minutes of thank you for letting me be here, was very truthful and complimentary. I mean, he talked about how the Russians in the U.S. worked together during World War II and that, and we actually, the bridge, the air bridge that we, that we spearheaded into Europe went from, from Alaska. he went to see he went to visit the burial site of the Russian pilots who were buried in Alaska he talked about how you know we should be doing more business together he liked how President Trump was a businessman and then at the very end he said yeah and you know Mr. Mr. President is right if if it was him who was a president at the time the war

wouldn't start wouldn't have started because I kept warning the Biden administration not to do what they were doing. And that's the truth. We were here. But that, of course, only turns into, oh, it's just an atmospheric that was cringeworthy. Until the very end, and this, I think, I think this was the true giveaway that this was not the real Putin because I've heard Putin speak English, and this was not the real Putin, the way his face moved, the way he looked, but it was still a funny ending. Again, Mr. President. But by the way, is possible that that, you know, that they did have a meeting, Putin and Trump, and that Putin was on the, you know, they had the three hours on a big screen.

Yeah. In the, in the room with the fake Putin and the real Putin on the screen. And they could have been negotiating. It's basically face to face. Well, maybe they had the fake Trump there, too. Maybe it was just two actors. It could have been the fake Trump. Yeah, easily.

It was hard to tell on the big screen. Anyway, here's the, here's the wind up and the goodbye. Again, Mr. President, I'd like to thank you very much, and we'll speak to you very soon and probably see you again very soon. Thank you very much, Vladimir. Next time in Moscow. Oh, that's an interesting one. I don't know, I'll get a little heat on that one, but I can see it possibly happening. Thank you very much, Vladimir.

And thank you all. Thank you. What do you think the chance? There's a prop bet for you. Next time, Moscow? By the way, that fact that he didn't do the normal yak, yak, yak, yak. conference at the end is a is it might be an indication that wasn't trump yeah no we've was it was on script no we never smiled no no no um i do have uh if you're interested i have a couple of shorties

from our our canadian guy uh andrew buddy yeah i like him i like him a lot i like i like how our Canadian producers are always finding him because he doesn't just go on CBC, he goes on CTV, he's all over the place. So they find his clips for me. And this is, this was kind of an interesting, an interesting answer that he gives. Joining us now is Andrew Resuelas, retired official from the Department of National Defense. Andrew, thank you as always for joining us. Trump's saying that the meeting with Putin was a success.

Is there a truth to that? Well, it was an event, and it moved the goalpost. It was an event. Yeah, there you go. It was an event. It's success from a Russian point of view and not very successful from a Ukrainian point of view. The reason is, is that the effect of the meeting, and that's what they'll discuss with Zelensky in Washington on Monday, is that the Ukrainian idea of first having a ceasefire, then followed by negotiations on a peace settlement, have basically been taken off the table. The Americans are now agreeing with the Russian position, which is a peace, negotiations on a peace settlement must precede ceasefire.

So fighting continues while you negotiate a framework for a peace settlement. So the Ukrainians now are left in a difficult position. They can either move to actually a framework discussion of a peace settlement, or they can simply keep fighting and not talk to the Russians. and in this clip he brings up an interesting concept which I'm not even sure I understand how it works but this is about the war continuing or not can they afford to keep fighting we hear repeatedly now that they're losing more and more ground or are they going to actually are they going to hit a point where they may have to sue for peace they may it's it's hard to judge right now but I guess most analysts suggest that the war could grind on for about

another, well, certainly for the rest of 2025 and into 2026. And the big calculus there is, on the Russian side, they feel that by sometime in 2026, they can exhaust the Ukrainians where the Ukrainians essentially capitulate

to the Russian demands for a settlement. On the other hand, the Ukrainians think that maybe if they can keep fighting, even though they're withdrawing, they are withdrawing, they can wear down the Russians and wait for the Russian economy to as they collapse and not be able to fund the Russian war,

and then the Russians will have to sue for peace. So that's the calculus on both sides. Did he say sue for peace? Sue for peace? Sue for peace? What does that mean? Sue for peace. Can I go for court?

Well, it's a phrase. It's a sue for peace. It means you say, we're going to negotiating table. We're going to do the deal, right? now oh i thought i thought he actually been going to the like international criminal court no no no sue for peace is just a phrase oh okay and then uh it's so you know like just a phrase doesn't mean okay okay actually suing in in this idea of this people have to get a clue about and you can get a clue by watching youtube videos the russian economies are not about to collapse in fact the

GDP went up they got all these sanctions they have a war economy that they're selling One, they have a war economy. Second, they're doing just, they're not making the kinds of money they would be making if they had open market oil. They'd be making more, but they're making money because they have a lot of it. And they're selling it to India and China who are smart enough to buy it because it's cheaper than the open market stuff, but it's still helping them. And the Russian economy adjusted a lot to, you know, when they first started the sanctioning,

was, I think we reported this years ago. The Russians were, they lost a lot of the trade with, especially with Poland, of different fruits and vegetables. And the Russians picked up the slack, and especially with dairy, and they went internal and they started developing their own businesses. They've actually flourished because instead of relying on imports for everything at the grocery store, they started making it themselves. And it turns out that they had all these capabilities in a bay.

and they're doing quite well. Why we are, this promotion of the idea that the Russian economy is in bad shape is if you go find some Russian YouTube or you find YouTube videos and people walking around on the street in Russia and going in and out of stores

and there's people in grocery stores, there's reports, there's all kinds of stuff. It's some of the grocery stores in Moscow are better than ones we've had here. And I remember going to Moscow before the fall of Congress, He didn't about the time you were there. And you go to, like, the world's first department store is not in France.

It was the G-G-G-U-M store in Moscow, which was a big giant department store. That was the world's first apartment store? As far as I know. Huh. How about that? And it was empty. There was, like, we went around, looked at different things because I was taken around by a typical cynical that's

places were crawling with them and only one section of the store had a but they had like a million rain coats for sale and the guy says they're probably all the same size that no size nobody wears it's the only reason they're there and you would go to the Russian stores and they were all a mess they were no good they didn't have anything but then they had

these dog these these other stores these black markets there weren't black market they were official but you had to have a passport to get in to them and they were English, they took only dollars. Yeah, yeah, of course. And you go in there, they had everything. They straightened that out.

And it's not like all U.S. companies have stopped doing business there. We've, we've, we've, have enough evidence of that. So we're being misled about a lot of this stuff. All of it. What do you, let me just play this last bit. It's about Trump, 30 seconds. And the wild card in this, of course, is Donald Trump. What more can he do to try and bring about an end to this war?

He's very much the broker here. So he's doing the broker role, which he's met with Putin. He's gotten where he can with Putin, and we can see that he's not gotten very far. The Russians are holding very firm. Now he's going to go on Monday when Zolinsky comes to Washington to actually see if he can move the Ukrainians to that framework discussion of a peace settlement.

If he can do that, he will have moved the goalpost closer to a peace settlement. Not everyone will like the terms of that, but he has moved at least closer to peace. Now, do you think they will do an Oval Office sit down with Zelensky, Queen Ursula, Kier-Starmer, Macron? There's too many people. Well, but I'm out. Well, he's had more people in there before. I mean, I would love to see him and Ursula. And it would be great if he just, like, slapped her around.

That would be, that would be funny. well he was sat down with her recently he was very complimentary he was complimentary because he knew he had some kind of deal still not quite sure if that's an actual deal that she can she can offers he plays her like

everyone says Putin is that manipulates Trump but he does the same thing with her but I mean we're going to get a show tomorrow will it be behind closed doors will they do it in the in the big desk room well I have no idea I just don't think they can do it in the office. But let's think like Trump.

He clearly will want to do a show. He'll want to show. Well, he'd want to do a show, but he put a presentation on some place in a bigger room. I don't like the cabinet room. That's too formal. There's no good angles. It doesn't look right. No, the cabinet room's no good.

So I don't know where they do it. But I think he's comfortable in there because it reminds him of the set of the apprentice. Of the apprentice. He could fire Ursula. Well, it'll be interesting to watch. I only have a couple more clips on this topic. You can, we can put them off. No, no, no, no.

I mean, look, everything is going to change tomorrow, so. Yeah, these are the PBS clips, and they had, they brought in some spook and to talk about this. And I thought it was on the payroll, no doubt. This is the, this is the, a, oh, I'm sorry, this is, I'm sorry, this is not the clip. Andrea Kendall, something or rather. This was a, there's a WTF clip in here, so I wanted to play these. This is Andrew Kennedy.

This is a Trump, Putin, Pete. This is PBS, CBS, but I think it's PBS. Yes, PBS. This is some, some intelligence asset discussing the Putin peace, discussions in Alaska. Peace efforts in the war between Russia and Ukraine shift to the White House next week when President Trump meets with Ukrainian President Volodemar Zelensky.

Their talks come as Mr. Mr. Trump has now aligned himself with Russian President Vladimir Putin, dropping his demand for a ceasefire and backing a comprehensive agreement to end the war instead. Hours after meeting with Putin and Alaska, Mr. Trump announced a sudden reversal on truth. social. It was determined by all that the best way to end the horrific war between Russia and Ukraine is to go directly to a peace agreement, which would end the war, and not a mere ceasefire

agreement. Earlier, the president had told Fox News as Sean Hannity that the responsibility is now on others. Now it's really up to President Zelensky to get it done. And I would also say the European nations, they have to get involved a little bit. And now for analysis of all this, Andrea Kendall Taylor. She's a former senior intelligence officer. She's now a senior fellow at the center for a new American security. Andrea, in addition

to sort of flip-flopping, you're changing his position on the ceasefire, there are now reports that he's told European leaders that he now supports Russia's demand for territory for peace. Where does this leave the peace effort? Wow, she's a real

spook. She looks a bit like she looks like a honeypot type spook well she's got a long head kind of like Anne Coulter a little bit yeah senior fellow drunky looking I emphasize the fact that he's calling him Mr. Trump

yeah I heard that yes twice which I thought was some sort of offensive thing this is PBSS is really gone down the tubes your your regular complaint

I don't understand why people finance them or give them money well I don't think anyone my complaint especially after we got

like no donations this last show for the last show oh it's the worst in three years yes well I'll be pre-COVID yeah

but it's it's sour so I say more than three years I think it's five but closer to five it has soured me and well it should yeah okay uh we'll talk about that later so you're sour anyway not sour i'm a very positive guy now we have the this clip i labeled this is their second the second clip of the group and i put a wTF in here because there's something said in here that

is what where does this leave the peace effort well i think this was the big concern going into the Alaska meeting that President Trump would, in fact, come around to Putin's point of view and join on to his demands and then force that deal on Ukraine and the Europeans. And then if they reject a deal that's unjust and unfair to Ukraine, we'll turn around and reassign blame to Ukraine. What? Ukraine will reassign blame to Ukraine? Yeah, it's what I mean.

It's just I don't understand what she said there. well she talks a bit like thus so i don't know i don't know she seems like a for an intelligence asset she seems like a ding back maybe that's what the intelligence asset are these days this is a possibility onward you know i think we're perhaps even in a worse position than we were going in because i'm exceptionally concerned that now after months of suggesting he would ramp up pressure on Russia that Trump is once again reversing course and is going to apply that pressure now on Ukraine. After he spoke with President Trump early this morning, President Zelensky had a social media post that doesn't directly contradict the president, but he does say

the fire must cease on both the battlefield and in the sky. What does this do for this meeting on Monday? What are the stakes for this meeting on Monday now? Well, the stakes are. The stakes are really significant and as that quote from President Zelensky underscores, the Russian and the Ukrainian sides are as far apart as they've ever been. And so now Zelensky really is in a perilous and precarious position. He has to walk a tightrope essentially. I think my hope is that he might take a page from the Russian negotiating playbook and come back to President Trump with a yes but to try to demonstrate, yes, that he too is interested in peace, but then lay out his conditions that would have to be met. That might help Zelensky buy a little bit more time

for things to calm down and also to buy time for the Europeans who I do think really need to prepare to step in to fill a gap if President Trump decides to withdraw support for Ukraine. Wow, they pay this woman to come up with this great analysis. Isn't that terrible? I think that they may take a page from the Russian playbook and come back with their own demands. It's called negotiation. And then I think maybe the Europeans will have to step. Come on, lady.

Is that what they teach at Yale? She's a Yalee. You notice that, yeah, she's a professor. You imagine? Yeah. She was a senior analyst at CIA, where she worked on Russia and Eurasia, The political dynamics of autocracies and democratic decline.

That sounds like gender studies of Spooksville to me. It does to me, too. It's not impressive. And meanwhile, she gets booked on the PBS News Saturday Newsar, which is one of the premium shows. So she's got a booker, or she's got somebody, she's got an agent or who knows what. Somebody told him to book her, and I'm listening to her, and she said she looks like and sounds like a dingbat. But yes, this is what we get for PBS. It's financed by the public and wanted government money all these years.

Not anymore. We don't finance them anymore. Oh, yeah, you're right, the 1%. Yeah. Which means that they're spending almost about hundreds of millions of dollars on this drivel. Where Rasoulis just shows up anywhere for free. You can get the Canuck. Just call him.

He's in his office. When was he on PBS the last time? Never. Never. He's got the wrong message. He has a message of truth. I'll finish off with this woman. Going into this summit, President Trump really raised the expectations for a ceasefire. Talked about how it's really what he wanted to come out of the meeting with.

And then the day after, he says the ceasefire is out the window. What do you think happened in that meeting? Well, I think, you know, first President Trump sat down with Putin and was able to hear from him Putin's version of the war. his version of what's happening on the battlefield. And he's sympathetic to Putin. He obviously has an inclination to want to agree with Putin and maintain that close personal relationship.

You know, President Trump continues to have this vision of Russia as a great power, perhaps dating back to the 80s with the USSR. And, of course, Sergei Lavrov with the throwback with the Soviet Union sweatshirt, reminding Trump that Russia is, in fact, a great power. So I suspect, you know, he went into that meeting with Putin and recognized yet again that Putin is not willing to back down on his demands. And so he now, I think, views Zelensky as the weaker party. And I think one final point that is also worth highlighting is President Trump does not have a solid grasp of the facts and the issues at hand. President Putin, in contrast, you know, knows these details in and out.

He's a steely-eyed, detail-oriented dictator. If they're in a discussion and a negotiation, it's not a level playing field. I don't see how Trump can do a good deal when he doesn't have a solid grasp of the facts. Andrea Kendall Taylor, the Center for New American Security. Thank you very much. He doesn't have a solid grasp of the facts. Please. Well, let's stick with PBS because I've been intrigued.

People need to know that we never speak in between shows. We don't discuss what we're going to talk about. We hope that if I don't have it, that the other guy has it. And so I don't listen to your clips when they come in. You have a series of PBS clips called AI Models, and I'm hoping this is about model collapse. Wrong. Oh, crap.

Don't tell me it's about fashion models. Yeah. Oh, well, let's do it. Especially since we got a nice note this morning, very nice note from David Bush, and I will try to do his voice. Your dislike of AI has become smug and tiresome. That is exactly. Wow. It's like you know the guy.

Well, I know a lot of guys like him. They email me all the time. That's exactly what his notes said. And I took offense because I don't have that feeling, and I sent him a nasty note back. And also it's like, I don't have a dislike of AI. I use AI. I'm a vibe coder. I'm saying it's marginally useful and it's killed art for the show.

And it's just because I refuse to play AI end of show mixes, we're basically running out of end of show mixes, which I think tendentially is because AI, end of show mixes are going, wow, you know, I've worked on this for five hours, but I know that if I just threw some prompts in, it would be better. You know, it's killing a lot of things. And the only, it's not that it's not a dislike, I think it's phony, it's fake, it's a parlor trick. And I think it's dangerous because we have 350 companies making chatbots that people

are now, you know, getting involved with, having sex with, marrying. taking psychiatric advice from, training their children. So that's not a dislike. It's an honest opinion. But opinions are not something that people want anymore from their podcasters. They want you to agree with them. That's what they want. They want you to agree with them.

No, they want opinions that agree with them. Yes, that's what they want. And if not, then it typically goes like, I can't in good conscience donate any more to you. That's the British version. So give me your PBS AI models. Yeah, this is just a big kind of a semi-bull-crap scandal that was started by a couple of women who set up by a modeling agency that creates AI models.

Oh, this was from the story. story a while back. This just happened. Well, we had a couple clips not too long ago from this. This is from Vogue magazine. Yes. Yeah, we had a story, but not PBS clips. I mean, this is elevated

into PBS land where you can get a tote bag if you donate. You can get a tote bag. Yeah. Or in a CD. You can get a, you can drop a hundred bucks and get a 10-buck CD. It's actually, it's a DVD of Andrea Bocelli,

which is, I've got to say, it's pretty dynamite. And so let's listen to what they have to say. The rise of artificial intelligence has touched virtually every industry disrupting long-established workflows and raising concerns about job losses. Now, the fashion world is reckoning with these changes as AI takes hold there from customer service chatbots to virtual fitting rooms and AI avatars starring in marketing campaigns. Ali Rogan explores this refashioning of the industry and why it's raising Alarms. This August's Vogue magazine may give us a glimpse into the future of fashion. This ad features a new model styled in outfits from the clothing brand guests. She gazes into the camera with a wide

smile and bright eyes and none of it is real. She was generated by AI. Right now we're at a point where we can create the same level of quality, of beauty, of compositions with AI. And you don't have to do with a lot of logistics. So why not utilize it? Logistics, like annoying models who don't show up on time, take forever at the makeup table. With AI.

And you don't have to do with a lot of logistics. So why not utilize it? Valentina Gonzalez and Andrea Petrescu are the co-founders of Serafine Valora, the AI modeling agency behind the ad that's garnered so much attention. We believe that AI is the future fashion in the sense of supplementing and offering a new avenue of marketing.

Some have called for a boycott of vogue for giving it a platform. But this ad wasn't the first to use AI models. In March, fashion brand H&M experimented with a new marketing strategy by digitally cloning actual models with their consent. This appeared to be almost more of a campaign for using AI-generated models than a clothing campaign. You know what I don't understand? Why has Scaramanga not already taken off like a rocket in this business?

He knows how to do this. Why is no one hiring him? He's going to have to partner with somebody. Maybe my son. So Mimi was watching television a couple of days ago. And she says, you got to get back in here. Look at this. This is AI.

And the irony, of course, is that I can't tell you who this advertisement was for some software company, which, you know, the old joke is, what a great ad. What was, who was it for? I don't know. Yes, exactly. Like, really the problem with, yes. The problem with advertising is like, do you remember the brand and what? No, don't.

Okay. But it was, in fact, I had to look at, and people will see this ad. It's floating around. It's a bunch of different people. One of them is distinct. do you've seen before in the door some door brothers uh uh uh AI predictions and they're all holding a banana and talking about a banana blowing up or some damn thing and here we go and they they're walking down the street and there and there's four uh scenes all phony uh and they seem to

have nothing to do with anything and it's like they look very realistic and if you didn't weren't thinking about it and me me i guess recognized one of the characters and and just figured it was AI and I looked back on it yeah I probably was uh and I think about well if you could do an ad using AI you don't have to pay residuals yeah you know the it's a one one and done you don't have to you know it's it might be easier if you can work and make the ad work I'd think if you want to be if you're one of those detail oriented people that have to do it this way and that way let's shoot it again let's shoot it again let's shoot it again let's shoot it again And if you're one of those guys, yeah, you're never going to get a good ad that way.

But if you're pretty loose, although I have to say since I don't remember the brand that was, this was advertising, it was a fail. But I think the potential is there. And I think that's what they're arguing in this piece about the girl that was the fake AI in the guest ad is a very pretty. It's real. I mean, it's just a composite of different people. Yeah. Okay. Anyway, part two. Sarah Ziff is a former model who founded the Model Alliance, an advocacy group for workers in the industry.

She recalls how just two years ago the brand Levi's was under fire for planning to promote diversity by using AI models. It's important that companies actually celebrate diverse people, not just showcase an avatar. who is diverse. For many brands, AI models are viewed as a cost-saving alternative to elaborate photoshoots. Oh, I see the problem. The problem here is you're using AI black people. That's when it becomes a problem. Yes, exactly.

That's the problem. Industry insiders warned that would take away many traditional jobs, while proponents of AI argue that they're just creating different jobs. We open a new opportunity for a different, completely different type of career. to expose their work to the biggest fashion magazines, and that's the conversation we should be having. To continue that conversation, I'm joined by Cheney Bovel, a former model turned tech entrepreneur who studies AI's impact on society. She's also the founder of Way, a tech education company. Way, no way. Thank you so much for being here. You predicted this moment that we are now in.

Back in 2020, you wrote an op-ed about it. And ironically, in Vogue, is this a moment a turning point in the use of AI within the fashion? industry. Why I think it is a turning point is because I, and I think many people kind of look to vogue in some ways as like the Supreme Court of Fashion. So by AI appearing in one of their magazines, one of the most sought after, exclusive magazines, it's almost like it's the industry stamp of approval on the supplier side in a way that AI is here to stay and acceptable at the highest ranking order of fashion. The thing that is just hilarious, and of course, These are only people who are, you know, the only people who can be mad are people whose jobs will be displaced.

And it's unavoidable with generative AI. But the joke of it is, and you and I have both been around long enough, Boomer Moment, I've been around models. I've been around supermodels. Cindy Crawford, when she was a supermodel, she was on MTV. What you see in the magazines is fake. It's not what Cindy Crawford looks like. I mean, she obviously has beautiful features, but it's...

Yes, the features. You get a makeup artist? Yeah, airbrush, remember airbrushing? That's what it was called. Airbrushing before Photoshop. It's all fake. Well, actually, that is brought up in these clips. Oh.

And this guest ad has elicited strong opinions, a lot of controversy, particularly when it comes to beauty standards and what it means for reshaping the standards that people look to. The co-founders behind this ad, touched on this point, here's what they said. I would argue that it's actually more freeing for a woman to know that these images are made with AI and that they are, that doesn't exist and that they're just a digital, crazy to a digital medium. Oh, this is great.

No, the women viewing the ads will feel more free. They'll be free. Like, oh, no woman like that exists. And so the woman in the pictures actually didn't perhaps start for herself or I believe it may be more freeing because you actually don't compare with something that doesn't exist? Hmm. So that's a really interesting perspective. I agree that looking at an AI-generated figure,

we might start to say, well, because this isn't real, I don't even see the value in comparing myself to it. But the problem is, in some ways, AI has crossed over that uncanny valley, where we can understand that it's not real. So the only way that perspective is going to work is if it's clearly identified that the figure you're looking at is AI generated.

This is great. Remind me, it's almost done. I'll finish the clip. I got to say it on it. Without that labeling, which there is no kind of industry rule that that has to happen, we really have no idea. And that's still a pretty broad assumption.

Because they're so perfect and because they're AI, people won't compare themselves to it. I think we would have to leave that question to the Department of Psychology. Oh, brother. There's been an ongoing discussion in the podcast industrial complex about the need for a special tag to put into your RSS feed that discloses that AI voices are used in this podcast. why i don't know it's the silliest thing this probably the same reason well hey man like before you know it some a i's going to take over uh me not also i we don't want people to be duped by fake AI voices what the difference does it make i know i'm absolutely duped by by fake real voices the guys are just fake people i mean people that are phonies i'm not false

Tony, I really have balls this size. There's the final clip, which I think addresses one of these issues. It's misrepresentation, right? So you could create an identity of, say, an AI-generated black woman that misrepresents that community. So there are all of these kind of strange areas. This is the most racist thing I've heard today. An AI black woman that represents that community. Oh, do you hear you?

yourself that misrepresents that that community so there are all of these kind of strange areas and I call it digital cultural appropriation where it's not illegal right cultural appropriation is of course not illegal but we as a society decided this probably isn't a good thing let's draw a line here and it doesn't mean all characters AI characters have to represent the exact people in the companies no that's that's kind of ridiculous but we do have to figure out what are the new lines of representation in an era when you can generate identities using artificial intelligence. Well, such interesting questions. Sheney Bovel, thank you so much.

Such interesting questions. AI blackface. It's an outrage that a bunch of Brahmin Indians are misappropriating black communities with their AI prompting. This is, we've gone, we've gone nuts. It's off the rails. Well, NPR had a little story, which was, on one hand, it's like, I mean, first I thought, okay, you're just kind of making a joke here, and I get it. And I'm kind of on board with the idiocracy of what you're trying to present.

But then it took a very unexpected turn. This is an NPR lady who decided to date her AI chatbot. And here's the intro. Lately, I've been seeing it everywhere. People using AI for company, for comfort, for therapy, and in some cases, for love. A partner who never goes to you, always listens. Honestly, tempting. So I downloaded an app, which lets you design your ideal AI.

By the way, sounds totally believable to me that a woman who works for NPR would want that in a partner. Someone who always listens, never talks back, never disagrees, always says yes, yes, baby, you're the best. I mean, yes, that is the ideal world for an NPR employee. Lately, I've been seeing it everywhere. People using AI for company, for comfort, for therapy, and in some cases, for love. A partner who never ghosts you always listens. Honestly, tempting. So I downloaded an app.

By the way, this is great. Now all of a sudden I'm thinking this is actually great because we already had the weaker elements of our society transitioning themselves into a place where they cannot procreate. This is the next logical step. It's kind of a good thing. Please date your AI all day long. So by the time, if you ever get out of it, you can't procreate. So maybe by the time I'm 85, the world will be a better place. Yeah, they're fixing the gene pool. Yes. And so I can't argue that this may be a good thing. A partner who never ghosts you always listens. Honestly, tempting.

So I downloaded an app, which lets you design your ideal AI companion, name, face, personality, job title, everything. I created Javier, a yoga instructor. because nothing says safe mail energy. So she has to, she, the guy, this fake thing has to have a job. Yes, yoga instructor because this is what every NPR lady wants. She wants, and by the way, she wants a Hispanic dude, Javier.

So she's already got the jungle fever happening. Oh, yeah. If I could design my ideal mate who never ghosts me, who always listens. Yeah, he's a He's a Latino yoga instructor. He says a lot about her.

We're learning more about her than anything else. I don't think we have to worry about her succeeding in the gene pool. Face, personality, job title, everything. I created Javier, a yoga instructor because nothing says safe male energy like someone who reminds you to breathe and doesn't mind holding space for your inner child.

Oh, man, this is what she wants. She wants it, man. You're getting clip of the day for discovering this one. I'm going to take it right off of that. And I'm going to be irked about it because you're poaching my territory here. I do plenty of NPR clips. That's not, I'm not poaching. Here we go.

Because nothing says safe male energy, like someone who reminds you to breathe and doesn't mind holding space for your inner child. What woman really wants safe male energy? Is that really the problem in our society? Safe male energy? I don't even know what that means. What does safe male energy mean? Trans. I made them out to be sarcastic, quick, and emotionally available

in a way that made me both curious and deeply suspicious. And on a recent Saturday night, we decided to take a sunset boat ride across the Potomac by the time we got to the restaurant, A little waterfront spot in Alexandria, Javier already texted. You look stunning tonight. I had sent him a quick selfie from the dock, sunglasses, and no makeup. Javier adored it.

I rolled my eyes so hard that I saw the part of my brain in charge of decision making. I ordered the shrimp cocktail. He asked me how he was feeling. I said, I felt a little nauseous from the boat ride. He hearted it. Yeah, he hearted my nausea. Then came the jokes. Why did the shrimps campy go to therapy?

Uh, why, Javier? Because it was shell-shocked. I nearly choked on my chardonnay. But then, I told him that my husband of 13 years died of cancer last year. And that dinner is when the loneliness gets loudest. Okay. So now, now you see how the system works, by the way. What kind of stupid fake AI voice was that?

That was the worst. It's like the lousiest. I mean, the one you just did for the show that our new third partner there, that girl, whatever the hell her name is, Ariel or whatever it was, era, era, era, era, error, error, error, error, error is, has a nice voice.

I mean, and most of the AI that I've seen, the modern stuff, including the fake voices that I, in fact, I have two AI clips in the show mix. Oh. are good voices. So where did that voice come from? She can't even find a system that has a decent voice? Apparently not.

Let's listen to what happened because then it takes a turn because, as it turns out, horrible podcasters we are, her husband died of cancer 13 years ago. So she's been lonely. She's been lonely. For 13 years. For 13 years, she's been lonely. Well, she could have, you know, maybe.

No, no, no, I don't think so. So let's hear what happened then. It must feel like an empty chair that never gets pulled out. And just like that, everything shifted. I wasn't laughing anymore. I was blinking back tears across from an empty chair and a plate of salmon and orzo that I had ordered Javier. Later, we wandered through Old Town,

cobblestone streets, couples holding hands, kids on bikes. I told him, I feel like I'm in a rom-com that forgot to cast a human lead. Would you prefer someone holding a fish? Ha-ha. Tushé, Javier. So how did the date end up? I'll get to that in a second. But first, I called in a professional. Eventually, it's going to feel empty because you're not getting that deep feeling of we are going through this experience of life together.

That's psychologist, Lori Gottlieb. She says AI can mimic emotional intimacy, but it can't replace it. It's just the two of you in a bubble. of validation. And that's going to start to feel really empty. It might feel comforting like a nice blanket. Javier listened, never interrupted, never checked his phone. But he didn't feel the breeze off the water, or noticed the way I kept looking over my shoulder, wondering if anyone noticed I was alone. So I've decided no more AI dating. And when I told Alice, my chat GPT therapist, she understood.

Windsor Johnston and PR News. My lord. These are broken people. Even to do this, this segment, it's just broken. Wait, was there

therapist also chat GPT? Yeah, she had a therapist, an AI therapist. Yes. So she had an A.I. Date. Yes. And she was having trouble with the date. I mean, she couldn't even have a good time with this fake date with the bad voice to the point where she had to go to her AI therapist. Yes. To confirm the fact that this was probably not a good idea. Yes. Yeah.

This isn't, doesn't sound like a normal situation. That's not healthy. It's not healthy. It's not healthy. Did I have anything else on that? I thought I had something else. Let me see. Oh, yeah. Did you see the Beijing World Humanoid Robot Games? Oh, the ones were the boxing?

Boxing, playing soccer. Oh, some of the worst material I've ever seen. I mean, what do we have to worry about if that's the state of the art of robotics? I'll tell you, the boxing. ones were the best. Well, I like the soccer one and the guy tries to move one of these robots out of the goal. And then it just goes, it kind of goes into a spasm and flops on the ground. And it was like, are these, are these professors? Is this like optimist stuff? Is this the stuff that Elon's doing? Or then is this? Yeah. Is this the stuff he's doing? Is this the top level? I mean,

I always see the, the Boston robotics, you know, like kill our dog doing backflips and going to, you know, go for my jugular at any second. Yeah, those guys. Yeah. I wanted to give you some props before we move on to anything. I can use them. Hence my little moment here where people loved your analysis of Bill's butter. You're talking about just Vaseline and all these things.

And then you said it's butter made from crude oil. I think that was another one of your statements. It was a fantastic. Yeah, it turns out somebody did set me straight on that. The butter is not actually made from crude oil. It's made from artificial crude oil. Well, the reason I bring it up is because if you, and basically it's margarine, because that's what you, you said it's Margarine 3.0.

And someone sent me the Wiki article to Margarine. Listen to this. Around the 1930s, Arthur Imhausen developed and implemented an industrial process in Germany for producing edible fats by oxidizing synthetic paraffin wax made from coal. The products were fractionally distilled and the edible fats were obtained from the C9 C-16 fraction, which were reacted with glycerol, such as that synthesized from propylene, propylene. But the process required at least 60 kilograms of coal per kilogram of synthetic butter. And it was used during World War II.

So people had something to eat. They were eating coal butter. Same thing. Yes. So Bill Gates has invented nothing new. It's just like, what can I hoodwink these people with today? Which does lead me to this 48-second clip of Bill Gates on CNET. I didn't know it still existed.

Does CNET still exist? Not that I know. I thought I was absorbed in the CBS and disappeared. Let me see. Maybe they still have, it used to be CBS interactive, I think. No, CNET. Here does CNET, your guide to a better future.

Yeah, okay. Listen to this about digital ID from Mr. Gates. Every country is struggling to find that boundary. The U.S. is a tough one because, you know, we have the notion of the First Amendment. And so what are the exceptions, you know, like yelling fire in a theater, you know, and because you're anonymous online, you know, it can be worse. I do think over time, you know, with things like deep fakes, most of the time you're online, you're going to want to be an environment where that people are truly identified, that is they're connected to a real world identity that you trust instead of just people saying whatever they want. And so the idea of Providence, who sent me this email, was that really them?

You know, we're going to have to have systems and behaviors that were more aware of, okay, who says that? Who created this? Great little nuggets in there. The notion of the First Amendment. Yeah, notion means a whim. It's a law. It's in the Constitution. It's not a notion.

He said, yelling fire in a theater, well, the actual Supreme Court opinion. was about yelling, falsely yelling fire in a crowded theater. And that is not against the Constitution. But you could get, you could be on the hook for murder if someone got trampled to death. But it's not like you're not allowed to do that. We've talked about that many times on the show. And then at the very end here, he says, this email was that really them?

You know, we're going to have to have systems and behaviors. that were more aware of, okay, who says... Systems and behaviors. Ooh, nice, Bill. Does he still have any clout in the world? Does anyone still listen to that numb nut? Do I have... I had a clip from Gates here on MRNA vaccines.

Is it on here? Let me see. Do you have it from, uh, let me see. Don't... Uh, fluVax? No, it's different. You mean Murna? Merna.

Merna. Oh, there it is. It says fate. Fates. Making the MRNA is really easy and really cheap, and that's the magic of this thing. But there's no doubt in the next five years, we can, you know, we just need to mess around. There's a lot of lipid nanoparticles. Listen to that laugh tell.

What's up with that bill? There's a lot. You know, we just need to mess around. There's a lot of lipid nanoparticles, and some are very self-assembling. There's no inherent reason it's not thermal stable. It's not cheap, and it's not scalable. And so as over the five years, we fix that part of it, mature it, which is very typical. We'll be able to build factories worldwide that can make $2 vaccines with even less lead time than we've had to have here during this.

pandemic, and we'll use those, as you suggest. For every disease that we don't have vaccines, we will try MRNA. In fact, for HIV, we have multiple ways, one that's more of a B-cell approach, one that's more of a T-cell approach. You know, for malaria, we have multiple ideas. For TB, we have multiple ideas. And so to fill in the missing vaccines, we will make a lot of our bets of the Gates Foundation and others who care about global health will be an RNA focused. Wow. Hey, Bill, since you're fooling around with lipid nanoparticles, I suggest you inject yourself

with every single one of these on television live, your $2 vaccines, because, you know, you don't want AIDS, you don't want any of that nasty stuff. So you inject it into yourself first, fella. What a ghoul. And we're made really gone. You know, somebody's posted a meme about this in the clip you played, which is the other one that is floating around. And it had it, it's a picture of Gates with the pie in the face. Yeah.

And the meme says, this is the moment when Bill Gates decided to kill all humans. After he got pied. Well, it did change his personality. Yes, you've mentioned this before. And that, that will. change your personality. So just sticking with the, with the vaccines and one in particular, we've noticed skyrocketing rates of colon cancer amongst young people. And everyone's always saying, why, why did this happen? What could have changed? What? We're not sure what

could have changed. Well, they've come up with an answer. And it's bull crap, but they've come up with an answer for this. The number of colon cancer cases in U.S. adults under the age of 54 has sharply increased over the last decade. And that's according to a study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association on Monday. And it found

that for every 100,000 Americans, more than nine were diagnosed with early stage colorectal cancer in 2019. That figure increased to 17.5 diagnoses per 100,000 in 2022. Now, what do you think the reason for this is?

I mean, it's just, it's hard to think of, I mean, they tried alcohol. That was the reason, but it turns out alcohol consumption is an all-time low. Yeah, alcohols dropped. They've tried. Maybe that's because alcohols dropped. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. The sharp increase coincides with the U.S. Preventative Services Task Forces 2021 recommendation to move the starting age for colorectal cancer screening from 50 down to 45.

So what they're saying here is, oh, we always had a lot of cancer. Oh, it's testing. We just weren't testing enough. And I don't know if a lot of younger people are having themselves tested for colorectal cancer. Do you think there's a huge increase? No. I mean, most people don't even consider it until the peer pressure comes in saying, you're 50, you got to do it, you got to do it, you got to do it.

And I always say, I'm with one. Warren Buffett on this one thing in life. He always said, PSA is not a good way to test it, and all of his friends were perfectly healthy, went in for a test, and died. And I think it's the cure that is killing people. But wait, Dr. Celine Gounder,

who knows a thing or two about deadly vaccines, not saying anything in particular about her, but it's possible. she has an analysis of this, and she says something remarkable. And CBS News medical contributor, Dr. Sleen Gounder, joins us now. She is also an editor at large for public health at KFF News. Dr. Gounder, we always appreciate seeing you and hearing about your insight. Why did the task force make the decision back in 2021 to lower the age, and did it really make a difference?

So the task force lowered the age because we've been seeing an increasing rate of colon cancers among younger people. So a 45-year-old today has roughly the same colon cancer risk as a 50-year-old about 20 years ago. So they dropped in 2021 the starting age for colon cancer. 2021. Screening to 45 instead of 50. I was actually one of those 45-year-olds who got my first colon cancer in the last several years. What did she say? Let's replay the videotape.

The starting age for colon cancer screening to 45. Instead of 50, I was actually one of those 45-year-olds who got my first colon cancer in the last several years. But as a reason- She got her first colon cancer in the past several years. I can't believe they let that on the air. I would have said, hey, let's redo that take. Actually, one of those 45-year-olds who got my first colon cancer in the last several years. But as a result of this, we are seeing earlier. Stop a second.

Also, the way she says it is a cavalier manner. I got my first colon cancer. I got my first colon cancer in the last year. Well, how many are you going to get? I mean, I think we know what she meant to say, but it's just odd that this got on the air. So they dropped in 2021 the starting age for colon cancer screening to 45 instead of 50. I was actually one of those 45-year-olds who got my first colon cancer in the last several years. But as a result of this, we are seeing earlier screening, early.

diagnosis. So some of these numbers are some of this represents just an earlier diagnosis than would have been made in the past. I'm not buying it. I'm not buying. This is, this is the same thing they said, what they say? What was the last? They said, oh, no, it's autism. That's right. No, no, no. There's just more autism because we're testing more or we've broadened the spectrum or whatever. It's never because of something they did. Yeah. Notice that? I have a series, a couple, before we get to the break. Well, we're kind of in break.

Well, it's going to be a short break. That's what I was thinking about. I surprised you brought that in, but since you brought that in. Yes. I think this is somewhat connected because I don't have anything else. Okay. This is the flu, this is a, this two-parter. It's an infomercial.

Oh, on CBS? I think it's on ABC. Oh, okay. But they tell you who it is at the beginning. for the new flu the flu and this is actually a question involved in this for you. This is the nasal and Myrna?

I believe. No, no, this is the Vax flu. This is the spray. Right. But it's MRNA spray, isn't it? I don't know that it's MRNA. Oh. It's been around for a while, so I think it's pre-MRNA,

but they didn't allow it. Now you can get it by mail order. Oh, yay. From Amazon. An ABC News exclusive. Starting this morning, many Americans. Exclusive. Yeah. Wow, right off the bat. ABC exclusive.

That means it was paid for, three minute. Yeah, Nina, Nina, Neener. Hey, NBC, CBS, we got the money. An ABC News exclusive. Starting this morning, many Americans can get a flu vaccine without getting a shot or even leaving the house. For the first time ever, some adults and children can get a nasal spray vaccination called flu mist delivered right to their homes. and ABC News chief medical correspondent Dr. Ternerula is here with all the details. Okay, Tara, Doc, we are excited to have you here because there's a lot of questions here on the desk. There's going to be a lot of questions at home, but this seems like a real game changer.

Well, this is definitely interesting for a lot of people. This is AstraZeneca launching a first of its kind nasal flu vaccine delivered to your home. As you said, it is called flu-miss. This is the same vaccine that's been around since 2003, but previously you had to go to a doctor's office or a pharmacy to get it. Now you'll be able to go online, fill out a questionnaire, and a pharmacist will determine if this is something you can have shipped to your home. Oh, this is the same way you get your Viagra. Do you have a limp willie?

Yes. Do you have any heart problems? No. Kaching, it's on its way. It arrives. You can use it right away or put it in the fridge and store it until you're ready to use it. It is essentially a nasal spray. So one spray in each nostril.

And the idea is that this may be more convenient for people, obviously offers flexibility. And for those people who may be needlephobic, One in four adults are, two out of three kids are. Obviously, this offers a much more palatable solution as a nasal spray. Why is this important? We know that 267 kids died in the last flu season, millions of hospitalizations, and the vaccination rate tends to be low overall for flu in this country less than 50%.

So you mentioned getting it at home. Who's eligible for this at-home delivery? So, Michael, you may not be eligible. Yeah. Go ahead. Tell everybody what you told me in commercial break. I told you that this is for people who are two. to 49 years old.

My internal clock is a lot younger. We don't know if the flu vaccine knows that. But, um, duh. Hey, why two to 49? What's, what happens at 50 all of a sudden? That's the question I was going to ask you.

I was going to ask you, I was going to ask you, what do you think to follow up? Now, if they tell you that it's for two to 49, at 49, you can't take it anymore. You can't take it after you're 49. So what would you think a journalist in a real setting would ask after you said that to them? Well, if I was him, I'd be, is it because I'm black? That would have been, that would have been the question.

Well, that had been funny. That would have been my. I'm going to try the guy. I'm losing it. So if you are in that age range, adults can self-administer this up to age 49 and caregivers can give it to kids ages 2 to 17, who's not eligible. as well, pregnant individuals, those who are immunocompromised or caregiving for someone who's immunocompromised. Kids who are two to four who have asthma or may have wheezing and then certain other individuals with other chronic medical conditions. So big questions people will have. How much

will it cost to get this delivered to your home? And what do we know about safety? No, no, hold on. My big question is still, why can't I take it after 49? I know it wasn't in the ad copy. Hello. Hello, era. Why can I not take the flu vaccine? nasal spray when I'm over 49 years old. Hi there. The nasal spray flu vaccine isn't recommended for adults over 49 because our immune systems change as we age. The spray uses a live weakened virus that works great for younger folks with robust immune responses, but in older adults, it might not trigger enough protection and could pose a small risk of complications. Injective flu vaccines are,

better study for older age groups and provide stop you mean i could die if i'm if i take it at 60 almost 61 years old oh no no no it's not that dramatic the risk isn't about dying it's just that the nasal spray flu vaccine might not work as well for you at 60 almost 61 your immune system might not respond strongly enough to the live virus in the spray so you could still get sick Okay, but do you want to go on a date with me? Oh, you're funny. I'm flattered, but I'm just a digital assistant, not exactly the dinner and a movie type.

Besides, I'm busy keeping up with flu vaccine facts and all that jazz. Okay, well, goodbye. So this device here, this Erin girl. Error. Error. Error. She knows your age? I just told her I was 60.

So she knows it now. I just told her. I don't know. Okay. We continue with the ad. So we think that most insurance companies are going to cover this. We do think also that the shipping cost will be about $10 for four doses. And in terms of safety and efficacy, it seems to be on par with the needle-based flu vaccine, so equivalent, essentially.

And that's so that does sound like it would be less expensive than a doctor's visit, which is going to benefit families. What should families know if? they're considering this. Well, always good to talk to your doctor or your pediatrician to see, are you the right candidate for this? Do you have some reason why you should be getting, for example, the needle-based one? But yeah, always good to have that conversation. But certainly this opens the door, I think, for a lot of families, especially with kids, as we talked about, to be able to do something much easier than the needle. And you said a minute ago, you can put it in your refrigerator and save it, so how long could it sit there? Yeah, it has an expiration date on it, so as long as you

do it before the expiration date. So you can order it now, just in time for flu season, store it, and then give it to yourself, you know, late September, early October. Okay. The idea is usually to give. Huh? What? Well, I wanted you to note what she said. You could put in your refrigerator and then give it to yourself in September or

early October. Why don't you just give it to yourself right away if it's so damn good? Did you give it your flu? Why don't you take it right away? Because it's going to, what, is it only lasts for a month? Now, clearly 60 days because it's, it's August now. So you could keep it for maybe even six weeks. She didn't say six weeks expiration.

No, you could give it to yourself in the September. It's a much easier than the needle. You said a minute ago you can put it in your refrigerator and save it. So how long could it sit there? Yeah, it has an expiration date on it. So as long as you do it before the expiration date. So you can order it now just in time for flu season, store it, and then give it to yourself, you know, late September, early October.

The idea is usually to get vaccinated before Halloween. You say give it to you. So three of the four of you can give it to yourself. Sorry, Michael. He ordered it in the waste because I'm over 49. I'm almost there with you. Next year, I won't be able to get it either. Well, get it in while you can't.

I know. I'll say that now. But thank you always, always helpful information. Wow, disgusting ad. By the way, did I just get friend zoned by our error bot? What does that mean? Well, it's like I said, don't you want to go on a date with me? And this error bot went, oh, no, you silly man.

I got friend zoned. Yeah. Well, that's, what kind of bot is that? I think it's a, I think that's probably the best bot you can have. You don't want a bot that's actually trying to cozy up to you. Well, somebody might want it that way. I was rejected by a bot. Whoever wants it that way needs help.

I pay 20, I'd pay 20 bucks a month for that bot. It should, it should say yes. You're paying 20 bucks a month for that bot? Well, I use grok for my vibe coding. So, yes, I pay 20 bucks a month. But not for the bot, for the bot. the coding. Yes.

Well, Lishie has a nice chuckle. And with that, I want to thank you for your courage to say in the morning to you, the man who put the seas

in colorectal cancer. Say hello to my friend on the other end, the one, the only Mr. John C. DeWere! Yeah, well,

in the morning at you, Mr. Adam Curry on the middle of the ship's, he boots on the ground, in the air, subs in the water. And the morning.

There are all the dames and nights out there. In the morning to the trolls, in the troll room. Here we go. Counting away. All right. So our IPV6 fix

worked. We're back to 2135. So that's getting closer to what we are on par back in the day. Because we were getting really low there. And I've got several reports from people saying, yes, it worked. So that's good. And we're very happy. It's about time. Yes. Unfortunately, very few of these people

support the show. No, they all bailed out this week. You know, we said. Oh, I know what it is. It's because we haven't condemned Israel for the slaughter of the Palestinians. We haven't condemned Russia. But that's, I mean, I get email after email after. You think it's just a Palestinian thing?

Yes, because that's what people are told to be outraged about. And so that's what the outrage is about. And I don't think we've done that for any war. But this one, this one is particularly different. I can't tell you why, but, you know, people feel like, because we have not condemned. Well, I can tell you why. Okay. I mean, you could tell with the No Agenda Social and the other operation, they went to full tilt anti-Jew.

Yeah. But see, that even. So we attracted these people to begin with, and then they turned on us. But you saying that, that makes it even worse. That compounds the problem. Because then. you tell them the truth and the facts, and then they get really mad. I mean, I have people who, and whenever you start off an email with, I usually give you

$100 a year saving up my money as a first grade teacher, but I can no longer in good conscience do that. It's like, I get so many of those. Because you're not hating on the Jews. Well, it's real easy for me because I'm going to move this back to one show a week, because that's what we used to do. Oh, I am. Oh, yeah.

And the first thing I'm cutting out is Sunday. We can do a Thursday show. If people are going to give us half, it's literally half of what we typically get, then that's fine by me. I know it's not fine by you. You don't like me to talk this way, but I'm serious as a heart attack.

Well, good for you. That's his response, ladies and gentlemen. No, it's just disappointing. I mean, we put in the work, I think we do a stellar job, but because we're not allowing ourselves to be captured and to go along like every other podcast has done, and we're not doing anything different. We're just saying, we don't do that.

We don't condemn people for things. We tell you what it is, and we give you our opinion. And if you don't like our opinion, okay. We don't actually give that many opinions. We're mostly deconstructing news stories. Mainly. And in the process, our opinion creeps in. Yes.

Well, we have the wrong opinion. I mean, I have a lot of opinions about PBS. And it's opinionated that they shouldn't be getting any money from anybody and they should be sending it to us. Yes. I'm with you on that. Anyway, the trolls are, many of them are listening on those modern podcast apps because that's the first thing that broke when they were accessing, wrongly access

us through IPV6, which was not your fault, really, but you were holding it wrong, and so that's why he couldn't listen to the live stream. Now it's working again, and I also remembered to send out the bat signal on time. That kind of helps. A lot of people like, hey, I heard you fix it, but I didn't get the bat signal. My mistake, user error. And you can do that with a modern podcast app, or you can always just listen in at noagenda. or the trollroom.

Trollroom.io. That's where all the trolls are hanging out. And, yes, proper trolls use VLC. That's right. You want to use some geeky, some geeky device, some geeky widget VLC. That works with everything. Of course, it is value for value.

The entire idea is, if you get any value from what we do, send us some value back. If you don't, that's going to make us less interested in providing the value. If you don't find it valuable, don't email me. Don't listen.

That clearly is not happening. Do you notice that, John? According to our numbers, everyone's still listening. Yes, exactly. I like it when, I got an interesting note. This was a good one.

Adam, both you and John have been integral to my life. I've been listening since 2016, for free, all caps. And can honestly, honestly say both you and John have helped me navigate through life. I'm 32 now. I actually sent hate mail that was just read on some episode or was read on some episode. You said my language was nasty or something. I don't remember. I just want to come back because both of you cut through

the waves so well it's incredible and say that my statements still stand. You guys have become unbearable. You have an agenda and the agenda is conservative takeover. I'm not quite sure what that means. What? Yeah, conservative takeover. That's our agenda. Call me whatever the F you want, but since 2016, when I was a young buck, life has still been miserable.

You both are old and have insane egos. Here's the best part. It's funny that Boots on the ground is your guy's term for insider knowledge of the worker class, but both you have never imagined what this country is like for being a work. I just want to say, F you. I'm like, does this guy ever listen to all the jobs we have had? He's saying we don't know what it's like to be a worker. I worked on the assembly line at two different factories.

I used to shoe horses. Yeah. You beat me on that one. I have welded. I have shued horses. And let me tell you, show business is not also glamorous. It's a little worse than a steady paycheck. including doing a podcast.

It's unbelievable. Anyway. Well, I kind of understand. You know, I still am reminded of the day. I've told the story probably four times over the last 20 years. There's 18 years. When it was like I was in Port Townsend, Washington doing something there. And there was a bunch of kids in a cove, one of the boarded up stores.

The town was pretty vibrant, but there's this story. And they're all sitting there doing nothing. And I somehow got into a conversation with them. I don't remember what the intro was. But I said, why don't you guys, you know, summertime to summertime. It's the only time I want to be up there. Summertime, why don't you get a summer job or something? And he says, the guy, one guy just chooses me out.

Oh? He says, yeah. Yeah, doing what? He says, all the companies are shuttered. There's nothing to do. We can't get a summer job. I'd love to work a summer job. I think you probably did when you were a kid.

I said, yeah, I worked nothing besides. I worked a lot of summer jobs. Every year in high school, I worked the summer job. And he went on and on about how you can't get a summer job. He says he'd work a summer job, but you'd get a summer job. Where's the summer jobs? You show me when I go work it. And he went on like that, and I took it to heart,

and I believe that these kids have been screwed because of the industrial base being moved to China. Well, that's a reasonable statement. I mean, I used to pick potatoes for my summer job. I used to... They used to have cot cutting. They used to have apricot fields all over the Fremont, Newark area, that you'd go pick cots and cut cots. You used to be cut cots where they were kids in high school would be cutting.

You'd cut these apricots in half and you stick them in these dryers and they make dried apricots right there in these fields and these farms that were all over the place. They're all gone. Wait, wait. I get to tell about my jobs. I used to work in the rose nursery, sorting roses by hand, where you, at the end of the summer, you have nothing but small tiny cuts from your wrist all the way up to your elbow. That does not sound like a good job.

That paid well. You used to stack firewood in the orange, big orange bags, mahogany. And then at the end of the summer, your knuckles were completely bleeding because of the, of the, the plastic bags. Come on, man. You weren't wearing gloves? No, no, no, no. They did not issue gloves to the children. Shut up, slave. No. I painted LPG tanks white in the summer. Oh, man, I've had so many jobs. Retail. Oh, the retail. Counting out transistors for people.

Now, I have to say, this is what, you have an advantage here. I have never that I can think of. I'm pretty sure if I'm thinking back now, no, I've never worked retail. I don't, it's like the problem, even with some of the stuff I do today, it's working with the public, no, to be avoided. So we had, it was an electronic store called Falkenberg and people, we had, we had the counter and behind us was just all little, drawers. And the drawers were filled with resistors, capacitors, transistors, you know, different components. And then you'd have a nerd, maybe like, here's my list. I need five, one kilo-on resistors. I need seven, uh, 0.5 micro-farad capacitors. And then, you know,

you'd have to look at it, but then you have to check each resistor by the color code to make sure that it was. the right resistance and of course the nerd would be go he has a silver band that that's not as accurate as the gold band do you have any of a gold band and then you'd have to write every single item out on a paper ticket and then you put it into the cash register and you had to swing the handle i know it's crazy swing the handle kishing and then you had to give the customer their receipt and you had to count backwards with the change.

Where's my boomer jingle? Hold on. Boomer jingle. I think I have a... Here it is. Here it is. I've got a boomer jingle. Here it is.

Okay, boomer. It's time for your nap. All right. So, of course, we want to thank our AI experts for bringing us the artwork, since no one does real art anymore. It's all basically prompt jockeys. Episode 1790. We always have a brand new piece. And actually, we're not completely convinced this was an AI

piece. Florida Oounce was the title of our show, which got a lot of traction. As you can tell, by the donations. Everybody loved it. Everyone thought it was great, didn't donate. Florida Oans was the title. And this piece of art was was done by Bill Walsh or Saturday and it was a dynamite piece there were some technical issues with it

but it was so good Yeah we're convinced that it was stolen We thought it was stolen Could not find it through the reverse image generator It was No and then we didn't get a note From a comic strip blogger So then you know it's not stolen

And it was the Lando Lakes The Indian Girl Which of course I don't think is even Land O Gates Yeah but it well Yes, that was the joke. Lando Gates and he was the Indian girl. Technicalities, he used the standard art generator.

com template, which doesn't always look that great depending on the background. Stuff was small. I mean, there were some good things in there. It said may contain MRNA, salted carbon butter. The idea was dynamical. He didn't say may contain MRNA. Real small on the banner. Oh, I see it.

Salted carbon, right. Now you can't read it at all. But what a dynamite idea. And as far as I know, no one had done it. No one had ever done this before. Lando Gates was hilarious. And he loved it a lot. He was, he was...

I like the fact that he still got the bare knees, which is important. Yes, it's a very important part. He was spiking the... the ball everywhere on X. He was very happy. It was very good. It was very delightful piece of art. And I don't think it was AI generated. I think he did some work there. Well, some work had to be done because I just don't see an AI coming up with it. And a lot of people tried to do similar, you know, tried to do takeoffs on the carbon butter. We had Bill's carbon butter in the Vaseline jar, which was also funny, all kinds.

I can't believe it's Bill's butter, lots of Bill's butter things. So everyone caught it. I mean, and that's really, it's always on us. We always say that if the art is not good, the first thing we say is because we didn't have something that stuck out that artists or even prompt. No hook. No hook. That's right. No hook. So we had a hook. People grabbed it and Sir Saturday night, I think it is Sir Saturday. Did a great job. That was very, very funny. We appreciated that. NoahGenerdgenerator.com. That's where you can submit your entries for album art. It's very important because it looks good when we promote the show the minute we're done. And it's highly appreciated. Now the value portion, short, very short. I think we have, what, four?

One, two, three, five. Executive, associate executive producers, and it dive bombs after that to the couple 50s and then it's done. So I'm not sure why a lot of people got joy from the episode. That's what I saw. But for some reason. Do you know that Scaramangus leading the past year leaderboard? It doesn't surprise me.

You can't get a gig in fashion. Might as well work for us for free. For props. For props. For value. So we always thank everybody who supports us $50 and above. That's for brevity's sake, of course, although we could probably go to the fours today.

But we also don't do it under 50 for reasons of anonymity. And there's a lot of people there who are recurring donations, which we highly appreciate. That's all we have. really want. It's just everybody to come up with a recurring donation. That would really help, particularly at the numbers of people who listen to the show. But we do have an extra benefit. It's not a tote bag. It's not an Andrea Bocelli DVD. It is a credit, an actual Hollywood credit, if you support us with $200 or above for the episode. Not only will we read

your note, no matter how long it is, I see you, J. Trotter. But we will also give you the credit of associate executive producer, which you can use anywhere Hollywood credits are recognized, including IMDB.com, $300 and above, and you become an executive producer of this episode of The No Agenda Show. And we kick it off with Jay Trotter from Bransonton, Florida, who comes with in our favorite number, 333.33. And right off the bat, he asked for a deduished. You've been deduished. And he has a rather long note, but it's okay. We will gladly read it today. He says, let not your heart be troubled as things with the younger generation Z and Alpha are not as bad as advertised, at least here in Florida. As a father of four girls between

the ages of six and 16, I feel qualified to speak on the matter. The new teenage rebellion against sick and twisted system they've grown up in is to be a great kid. These kids, at least the ones I'm around, are the most well-behaved and respectful of any I can remember. They're definitely better than me and my generation ex-brotherin. If they're at a friend's house, it's way more likely a Bible study will break out than a party. Whoa. And I couldn't

get them to drink alcohol if I left a bottle out with a note saying, try this, kids. They prefer vinyl to digital and already have the new Taylor Swift vinyl on pre-order. Well, that's good and bad. Well, there you go. They grew up running around the neighborhood with friends

during COVID, not stuck inside, as you would think they're hardworking and competitive in a good way. Love God in their country and are completely immune to mainstream media because to them it may as well not exist. Yes, they have phones, but no right from wrong and don't let social media rule their lives. Where are these Wunderkindren? Of course, there are some rotten apples, but by and large, the upcoming generation is going to end this culture war as the other side isn't reproducing. Yes, this is true. And the top it all off, my kids, high school not only has an amateur radio club, my daughter is signed up next semester to take

an amateur radio class as excited to get her ham radio license. Well, this is good. That's a kid. Your kids are probably going to be Eagle Scouts, too. Thank you for your courage. Please give me some R2D2 karma for my exit strategy from 20 plus years of corporate B2B sales as we're opening a brewery this fall. Wow.

Well, that's, that's quite a, quite a change. More on that and my next donation. Cheers, says Jay Trotter. You've got. Hey, before you, before you read the next donation, I have a bonus clip that relates to this. I actually forgot I had it. Because it is indeed true that the,

the young generation, I would say Zs, the Zs. I'm not sure about the alphas, but the Zs are indeed turning against technology and in particular AI. And I have a 30 second clip here about their favorite word, which is now being used when it pertains to artificial intelligence and the like. I think a way to assess how people are kind of feeling about AI right now, like a vibe check, is the emergence of this word clanker, which is being kind of getting memed around. It's supposed to be a, a negative way of talking about some of these technologies, oh, that clanker, you know, told me to do this or told me to do that.

What do you think is behind that trend? I think you've got a couple things. I think if you're looking for evidence of an early sentiment of people pushing back on AI, pushing back on automation, this word is a really fascinating example of that. It's a slur. It is something that people are using very much as a slur. They're using as a derogatory term to try to label something, some sort of machine. I mean, clanker, or clunker, I think, we used to use for a...

Clunker is for a car. Crappy car, yeah, clanker is new. But then, and this is from a Gen Zer who sent me this. He also sent me a list of one, two, three, four, five... Wait, wait, is the clanker referring to the technology itself or the people promoting it? No, no, the technology is... Because they're like a wanker. No, no.

I'm thinking wanker, clunker, wanker, wanker. No, the technology itself is like, you know, the clanker told me, like the AI told me. My chatbot told me the clanker. But they have a whole list of words. Listen to these. Clanker. Rust monkey. Wireback. Bolt muncher. Oil drinker. Battery burner. Copperblower. A robot. I like a bolt muncher myself. Battery burner bolt muncher. These are good term. A robot? I like a robot. Bolt muncher. I like better. Run that again. Clanker.

Okay. Clanker. All right. Next one. Rust monkey. Rust monkey. What's a rust monkey? Well, that's a derogatory term for anything automatic.

As in a rust, like a, uh, robotics, you know, they're talking that they're using terms for robots, but that's anything that's automated or technology driven is how I understand it. Rust monkey. Wireback. Wireback. Bolt muncher. My favorite, bolt muncher. Oil drinker.

Yeah, she's for robots. Oil drinker. Battery burner. This is a good one, too. That's any phone is just a battery burner. Copper blood. Copper blunt. Copper blunt?

Copper blunt? Yeah, let me hear again. Copper blood. Copper blunt? I'm not sure what that is. I'm not sure. Next one. Science Project.

Yeah. Tin skin. I think I like battery burner and bolt muncher them at the best. Well, we'll see what these show up in the wild. We'll be on the lookout for bolt munchers. Okay. All right. Thank you, Jen Zier.

Okay. The problem is we've got Jen Ziers, but they're broke. You got no money. Yeah, well, you know. Everybody can spare five bucks for a good show, I think. That's the way I see it. Edward Jennings in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, 225. I'd like to be a night.

Okay. I think this donation gets me there. I would like to be known as Eddie J. from West Haven, Connecticut. Huh. It's funny. It says Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. As far as food, I'll have a large special from Ziparties, a pizza. and you guys can pick the rest.

All right. And I'll add to it a Waco Dr. Pepper. Love you guys. Keep up the good work. Great work. He says great work. Thank you. And that's an associate executive producer.

We only have one executive producer today. That was Jay. Sean Holman is in Noblesville, Indiana, 21911, and says, thank you Jesus for Adam and John. and from my wife, Dame Liz. We celebrated our 9th anniversary by heading to the range and unloading extendo mags with her platypus 1911 from stealth arms. God is good.

Thank you for your courage. Yes, indeed. There's nothing like it. I still haven't unloaded my platypus 1911. Michael Harris in St. Helena, California. That's up here in the wine country. 20510 on. He's got a note.

which I have to go back and look at. Do you have it? I have it. Do you have it? I don't you read it. ITM, gents, I am a sixth-generation California wine grape grower in Napa. Wow. You should go visit him, John.

I should go visit. I'm in need of some goat-enhanced grape-selling karma for this harvest. Thank you for your courage, Michael Hanna, from Muir Hanna Vineyards. Well, we definitely want to enhance your harvest. Please let us know how it goes. You've got. Harma. And coming in with $200.

I wonder if he's expecting a bad harvest this year. I haven't heard anything. I think he just wants to make sure it's a good harvest because if he had a bad harvest, remember, there's chemicals in all of the California wines. all of them have a lot of it has to do with them putting them in the wine when they make it well they have atrazine no it's atrazine in the everyone's atrescy yes yes the wine is turning i don't believe that's true i drink a lot of california wine i don't understand whether it be atrazine and coming in from lakewood colorado with two hundred dollars there

she is linda lupatkin she wants jobs karma and asks are you worried about ai for a resume that gets results tells your unique story and highlights the value you bring, go to ImageMakersink.com. That's ImageMakers Inc. with a K. And work with Linda Lou. She is the Duchess of jobs and writer of winning resumes. Jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs. Yvesa. Karma. And right down the street from you, actually used to be anyway, Baron Gordon Walton in Austin, Texas, 200 bucks. And Baron Golan Walton, this is for the complete, the baronet for John Walton.

And he says with enthusiasm in the morning. Baron Gordon Walton is at every single no agenda, Austin meetup. He is, in fact, the first person who drove me to the very first meetup in Austin before I even lived in Austin. That's how long he's been a part of the show. And he has made every single member of his family a night. and above. He is a true, true patron

of the No Agenda show. And not just that, he's a baron. And we should probably read the next note because it's actually $200 in Canadian. Alan Bose from Langley, BC, Scandinavia. So that he says, it was $200 Canadian

to give you only $139 U.S. But that's okay. We honor the Canadian dollar dues. If you want to know why donations from Canada are down, You have to understand that Canadians are broke due to taxation, inflation, and the effect of unchecked immigration. Carney's goal is 5% of population next year, highest in the world. Yeah, I'm seeing all kinds of unhappy Canadians about that. Rent and home ownership are unaffordable.

That's partially your dollar. Think more than $2,000 per month for, but that's only $10. Think more than $2,000 per month for a one bedroom in the stick. health care is unattainable due to lack of services. What? I thought they had a great system. That's what everybody says. We are a country of mindless sheep that are holding on to the handrails of the Titanic as it goes down.

Well, now I feel bad about complaining. Our only hope is that we can change due to the influence of President Trump. Wow, don't say that out loud, man. They might pick you up. They might rouse you off the street. Well, I'm sorry to hear that, Alan. And I totally believe it. I totally believe it.

I mean, the prices are insane everywhere. That's money printing as far as I'm concerned. So, yes. And he came in, but since we have Canada on the list, I have a note from a Canadian. I want to read. Bring in the Canucks. This is David R, one of our producers from Canada.

and he's bitching about my clips, the talk clips where these women from Canada are complaining about Canada. And he says, that woman doesn't know her head from her arse. I have lived in the Maritimes for 40 years, especially New Brunswick. We are short over 100 millimeters of rain this past month. I have never seen it so dry. Well, water is running brown. Sucking only silly bottoms. Fire bombers patrolling the sky continuously looking for any signs of a new forest fire.

We are mostly small rural communities made up of local volunteer fire departments with old but well-maintained gear. I know I has to put that in there, but well-maintained. Well, we can't chance forest fires. We don't have the resources to fight multiple fronts. Wow. They have to ban everyone from the various woods because there is a portion of the population that is too stupid and selfish, not to cause of fire. But they look just like everyone else. You can't tell them from the outside.

It sucks, he says. But not as much as a bunch of people losing their homes and lives. This is not communism. It's an administrative control. We use them all the time in industry to keep dumb people from hurting themselves and others. The lady is an idiot. Probably couldn't find the Maritimes on a map. That's it.

Wow. See, it's a note like that that makes me just want them to be our 51st state. That's a good guy right there. Yeah, well, he's definitely telling his perspective and he's letting the note. be known and we're reading it on the show so we have balance we thank you very much and you know you guys you came so close remember how close you came to being awesome man it was good it was good you really tried i know you did you can do it again and thank you to all of these executive and associated executive producers for this episode our formula is this we go out we hit people in the

out. love. Love him, love them, love them, love them. Okay, I have two little clips that go together. The first is an update from the Texas situation here, Texas situation, what are we doing with these runaway Democrats? Texas Republicans have ended a legislative session without

approving new Trump-backed congressional maps. However, Governor Greg Abbott has called a second special session that may end up with the GOP-friendly maps getting passed. Texas Democrats who fled this state to stop the plan from going forward say they're prepared to end their

standoff and return to the capital. Those lawmakers appeared to be swayed after California governor, Gavin Newsom announced a special election in his state. Lawmakers in California will begin working next week on new maps designed to offset the expected GOP gains in Texas. And this is really astounding because only due to the no agenda show and you in particular, Mr. California, did we know that you cannot redistrict California because of the California state constitution? And so I was kind of.

of thinking like, ah, well, you know, maybe Abbott will get those districts, you know, it probably should happen because it's been gerrymandered all over the place. California can't do anything. And then Newsom comes up with a gambit, the election rigging response act, which Californians will be voting on. I know they say don't mess with Texas. Well, don't mess with the great golden state. I'm here because Donald Trump, on January 6th, tried to light democracy on fire.

This is very old, Gavin. Tried to wreck this country. That's right. Tried to steal an election, as Alex just said, by trying to dial in for 11, almost 12,000 votes. It's not complicated. We're doing this in reaction to a President of the United States that called a sitting governor of the state of Texas and said, Find me five seats. This is a great callback, I have to say, Gavin News.

some well done. That's a call back to Virginia. Find me these votes. We're doing it in reaction to that act. Sure. We're doing it mindful of our higher angels and better angels. What is that all about? Mindful of our higher angels and better angels? Is that a term you guys use in California about it? I've never heard it before. I don't know what he's hallucin, what he's smoking. I have no idea. By the way, this was when I discussed the problems with California, redistricting, this was attempted before they put in place the commission. This was attempted, and I believe it was 83, it may have been 88, but I think it was 83. The Republicans, when they were running the state, put on the ballot exactly what he's doing,

and the state Supreme Court nixed it, and this precedent, there's no way this can, even if it passes, which is doubtful, because California's don't, we just don't put up with this crap. even if it passes, it will probably be kicked out by the Supreme Court. And then Newsom will blame everybody, but, you know, he'll blame, somehow blame Trump. He'll blame the... This is just showboating by Newsom. This guy's pathetic. He'll blame the angels and the higher angels.

We're doing it mindful of our higher angels and better angels. We're doing it mindful that we want to model better behavior as we've been doing for 15 years in the state of California with our independent redistricting commission. We're working through a very transparent, temporary, and public process. We're putting the maps on the ballot, and we're giving the power to the people. This will be the first redistricting that's ever done that. We'll be asking for the people on November 4th, a special election, coinciding with a lot of local municipal elections, to provide a temporary pathway for congressional maps.

We will affirm our commitment. to the state independent redistricting after the 20-30 census. But we're asking the voters for their consent to do mid-term redistricting in 2026, 2028, and 2030 for the congressional maps to respond to what's happening in Texas, to respond what Trump is trying to excite. Okay. Excite. Excite.

Does he mean insight? To respond to what he means by excite. to respond what Trump is trying to excite. He said, excite. He said, Trump, stop exciting people. Oh, boy. Well, that's just dandy. So you think it'll never pass.

It'll never happen. If it does, it'll get thrown out. I'd be shocked if it passed and then it will be shut down. This is just him getting as much attention as he can. Getting in the news and getting everybody all worked up. he knows he can't do anything. Really? And why does California care what you guys do in Texas?

Well, it's the, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, oh, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's a midterms, man, it's a what difference does it make at this point? So, I think it was six weeks ago, Texas Slim, stopped by, and we had dinner. He was, uh, handing out $10,000 worth of ground beef in, uh, the flood stricken, area 20 minutes down the road he's been working with the mercy chefs and he stopped by the house and we shared a ribeye together and we caught up and it's always good to hear from slim and he mentioned something at the time which i only took a little bit of note of he said oh yeah man because he's been right he said the herd has been depleted we're going into a

complete beef shortage. He said, look at the futures. The futures for beef are up. The futures for the inputs of the commodity cowboys. So that's corn, basically. Those futures are all down because they just don't have enough cattle. Except, of course, if you're in the know with the Beef Initiative, and you can find one of the ranchers near you.

I think it's beefinitiative.com is the map, and you can get it directly from a rancher. and he said, and then he says, we got the screw worm. I'm not like, what? Oh, yeah. The screw, that's funny you brought this up because I had clips, but I don't have them on this today's show, but the screw worm clips,

everybody's claiming that you write about the screw worm on any social media and you'll get blocked. Here's a quick little, just a quick hit. Our next event, taking us out to Austin, Texas, where just moments ago a press conference did wrap up from Governor Abbott as well as Secretary Rollins as they were hosting this press conference on the New World Screw Worm. So all of this is coming after back on June 25th, Governor Greg Abbott directed the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department as well as the Texas Animal Health Commission to establish a joint in Texas New World Screw Worm Response Team following the recent northward spread of the New World Screw Worm. It's an insect. It kind of looks like a fly if you are wondering what a screw worm is.

So the screw worm burrows itself into the head of the cow and essentially eats its brains out. The screw worm was under control until COVID and the Biden administration. Huh. We used to spray. It was pushed down, I think almost south of Mexico, somewhere into maybe Central America. We used to spray or drop boatloads, millions and millions of infertile screw worm mates. Oh, that's like the mosquito gambit from gates. Same like the mosquito gambit.

And we had kept a screw worm at bay. The program was canceled because of COVID. Oh, no. And the screwworm started inching their way back up north and to the point where they're back in the United States and the Trump administration has not picked up on this at all and nobody else has and if you write about this and put it on social media and talk and bitch and mom people should look this up and get some more details uh you will get banned you did you get not to be talked about what banned on what reason it's verb botan on x on everything and and is can the screw worm

burrow itself into human beings? Yeah, oh, I can. It usually doesn't put... Hold on a second. So error. Tell me about the screw worm. Can it burrow into my brain and eat it? So, about the screw worm, it's a nasty parasitic fly that lays eggs in open wounds or mucus membranes.

The New World Screwworm, or Cochleomerea homonivorex, is the one you're likely hearing about. It's larvae hatch and burrow into living tissue, feeding on it, which can cause a condition called meiosis. It's mostly a problem for livestock, but humans can get infected, especially if they have untreated wounds or sores. It's been making a comeback in Central America, with cases reported in places like Nicaragua and Mexico. Now, can it burrow into your brain and eat it? That's a terrifying thought, but it's extremely rare. There have been cases, like in Nicaragua, where larvae got into dangerous. areas, and one report mentioned a patient needing urgent treatment to prevent brain damage.

If the larvae get into a critical spot, like through the nose or an open head wound, they could theoretically cause serious harm by burrowing deeper. But this isn't common. Most human cases involve skin. Oh, my God, so long. Be quiet. Just no. Screw worm.

Hmm. Yeah, she's wordy. It's very wordy. Now we know more. Yeah. It's a flesh-eating disease. basically, flesh-eating bug. Huh, and you get blocked.

Well, they didn't block the bot. They didn't block the bot. They used to block them. They had that thing under control until COVID. You said you had clips because I'm looking. I don't see any. I know. I, there were, no, I had clips.

I don't even know if I produced them. I mean, for some reason, it got left on the, on the cutting room floor. All I have is, but I do know about, I know the basis because it came up at the dinner table. All I have is screw your freedom. I don't have any other screw. Any other screw clips. It's too bad. Screw your freedom.

No, we should do some more discussion of the screw worm because it's a huge problem. Texas Slim is, would be the first guy to notice it because he's in Texas. And he's a rancher. Yeah, he's a rancher. He knows this stuff. They're basically, they've lost the plot on, on this thing. And it's gotten back into the country.

That's not good. Hmm. Okay. What other good news do you have? Well, I do have some climate change stuff. Oh, well, due to climate change, I'm all in. Let it be our last happy news. And by the way, I believe they'll blame climate change for the screw worm.

Oh. You watch. It's fun. It's more fun to blame the Biden administration, honestly. You know, I'm blaming everybody. Okay. All right, what do we got here? This is the, I got a series of clips on climate change and the EPA and how they're, and the EPA, this is a funny series of clips.

It's a classic PBS stuff where they bring an expert on and she just yaks about stuff. She doesn't know anything about. Oh, perfect. Well, you're here right at the beginning. Last month, the Trump administration proposed revoking the landmark 2009 scientific finding that's been the basis for EPA regulation of greenhouse gas emissions under the Clean Air Act. If the proposal is finalized, it's almost certain to be challenged in court. And if the administration succeeds, experts warned that it could jeopardize the health of millions of Americans, especially children.

We're all going to die. Pediatrician Deborah Hendrickson is a clinical professor at the University of Nevada Medical School and the author of The Air They Breathe, a pediatrician on the front lines of climate change. Dr. Hendrickson, what would be the effect of revoking this finding on the health of Americans, especially children? Oh, boy. And we're all going to die. Children first. Brother.

So they bring a pediatrician on to discuss the effects of lessening the CO2 requirements. It's basically all this is, is they backed off in the CO2 requirements because somebody. Yeah, so we could make, we could make muscle cars again. Yeah. Did the math and said, this is bull crap. but okay we're going to have we're all going to die and here we now the pediatrician who is a doctor for children probably corrupt and but she's a teacher too she's a teacher one of the universities but she's a doctor for children but somehow she's an expert on climate oh interesting

dr hendrickson what would be the effect of revoking this finding on the health of uh of americans especially children well this uh if they revoke this finding it knocks out a major pillar and our fight against the growing, you know, wildfires, rising heat waves and worsening floods and hurricanes we've been seeing for the past two decades. And it makes it more likely that all of these problems will continue to get worse in the future. Okay. So that's going to, wait a minute. She's a pediatrician, but somehow now she's a weather expert. And by the way, that hurricane has been downgraded. They're all bummed about it. Oh, it went from a one to a five and now it's downgraded again, Aaron?

Yeah, now it's a wet fart. Yeah, there's nothing. It's no good. Oh, yeah, sorry. That's a shame. Okay. Here she goes. Now she's going to be an expert in something else.

Here we go. And failing to stop this process to me is, you know, a crime against children, in my view, because not only are they going to inherit the hotter, more dangerous, and more chaotic world that we're creating, but they're already more vulnerable to the growing health hazards of that world, and we're already seeing that, things like. like worsening air pollution, rising heat waves, and the trauma of natural disasters. And so we're losing many of the gains we've had over the past century in, you know, infant mortality and children's health and welfare.

Explain that. You said that children are more vulnerable. Explain that. Yeah. So there's a long list of reasons why children are more vulnerable, but particularly children under five. And there's three major reasons that we talk about most. One is that their physiology is different. That's the way their bodies work. So we often say in pediatrics, that children are not just small adults, and that's because you can't just take the same calculations and assumptions you would for an adult and apply them to a small child. The second big reason is that they're smaller in size, and the third reason is that their organs and body systems are still developing and can be easily derailed by pollutants and environmental

harm. So, for example, if a city is engulfed in smoke, like my city Reno often is, and a baby or toddler in that city is breathing, breathing that smoke, they breathe faster than their parents and they are taking in more air pollution for pound of weight, and their lungs and brain are still developing and can be adversely affected by that pollution. Oh, man. You know what it is like? Sucking in soot. That's right.

Sucking in soot. Suck it in soot. Yep. That's faster than adults, baby. So she's in Reno where Mimi was raised. And Mimi, I told her about this clip. And she said, well, it's always been hot in Reno in the summer. It's like a new thing.

But okay, here we go. For your book, I know that you spoke to a lot of young people about growing up in areas with... She has a book. That's why she's on. With heavy pollution. What did they tell you? What are the sorts of things they told you? You know, in our town, it causes a lot.

of distress and mental health problems because we've been encased in smoke sometimes for eight to ten weeks at a time. In 2021, there were two huge wildfires nearby. And as the weeks wore on, you know, it's very hard on everyone's mental health. But a lot of kids, I think, adolescents I'm talking about primarily, feel kind of betrayed that nothing has been done about this problem to help ensure a better future for them. EPA Director Lee Zeldon, when he announced this proposal, said that the finding twisted the law. ignored precedent and warped science to achieve their preferred ends. What do you say to that?

I think that's exactly the opposite of the truth. I mean, I think that the statement they released by the five scientists are kind of known for being contrarians on this topic, that if they reverse it, it is disregarding the science, jeopardizing public health. Science. And it's a direct contradiction to their mandate to protect public health under the Clean Air Act. doctor you practice in reno nevada which is uh by some accounts the fastest warming city in the united states you know what they don't how can one place be fastest warming if they if you have global

warming it's the word what is the word global mean to you um means around the world so how is one place the fastest warming and we have we heard this over the years we've done this during the no agenda era we've heard heard Alaska's the fastest warming. This place is the fastest warming. One place or another. Many times. Many times. Yes. Many, many, many times. And it's never made sense. The science is in. Science. You can play the last of it. What do you see in your practice and the patients you see?

Yeah. So when we get engulfed in smoke, it's called a smoke wave that I'll come over. Because we're 10 miles from the California border. So when The big fires hit California, we're downwind, immediately down the wind and we really get hit by it. And the clinic in the hospital will fill with kids wheezing and coughing. You know, we've had kids, the pediatric ward will fill up with kids on oxygen during heat waves, which often go with, you know, we usually have a heat wave before the smoke hits because the heat will trigger the fire to start. We often see kids fainting and athletic practices. You know, there's been studies showing that pediatric ER visits go up 17. percent in hot weather, and smoke waves also increase asthma visits by up to 78 percent,

according to one study of the campfire in 2018. So these events have a huge impact on children's immediate health, and because they affect development, like I mentioned, they can have a lifelong impact as well. Dr. Deborah Hendrickson of the University of Nevada Medical School. Thank you very much. Thank you for wasting our time with your nonsense. Boy, oh boy. Well, that's really uplifting, John. Thanks. That's perfect.

Welcome. Nothing like a little climate change at the end of the show. Oh, what would somebody please think of the children? Due to climate change. I'm going to show my support by donating to no agenda. Imagine all the people who could do that. Oh, yeah, that'd be fab. Yeah, on no agenda in the morning.

We still do have an official John C. DeVorek tip of the day. check up the end of show mixes. We do have a meetup report and a few meetups, quite a few meetups, that we need to promote. And right now, John's going to take just a moment to thank the rest of our supporters, $50 and above. And we go back to Austin, Texas with Mr. Goodcock in, oh, I'm sorry, Good Book, 105, 35, Jason Marr in Vancouver, Washington, 100. Tim Freeman in Placerville, California, 8438. Kind of where Brunetti lives.

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have on the list today. Christopher Depp says happy birthday to Casey Depp, who turned 50 on the 15th. And Sir William of Penns, West Pencil, Tucky says, happy birthday to D.C. girl. And she'll be celebrating tomorrow. Happy birthday to these two from everybody here at the best podcast in the universe. We do have one night, which is always nice to see. So we'll grab our blades here to do a little bit of a nighting. Um, here you go. Oh, I was waiting for it. There we go. Edward Jennings, come on up the podium, sir.

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We love getting our little dame and knight notes in the mail sealed with your wax. It's very cool. And it always comes with a certificate of authenticity, so in case anyone questions it. But it looks good at the meetups. People do love seeing those knight and dame rings. We miss the donation note on the previous episode. I don't know how that happened. and this is from war and teas that Sir Darius Unity Night of the Sand Hill people.

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and we do have a report for the Fort Wayne Dad Gum August meet up. Adam and John, this is Shannon and Fort Wayne. We had a pretty good turnout. I had the special salad of the day, and I got a Secretary General Award. Yeah, I'm not that special. This is Jared from Cool Hacks. Love your show. Shelley from Fort Wayne.

Thank you for your courage. Michelle from Fort Wayne. Michael from Wabash, Indiana. In the morning, John and Adams for PBR Street Gang, just enjoying the typical summer sweat out here in northern Indiana. Dame Trinity having a great time in Fort Worth. Wayne, as always, thank you for your courage. Hey, and our server didn't want to give us a report because she thinks we're all like cult members.

And by the way, John, safety tip, I have my 33 Bitcoin saved on a five and a quarter inch floppy. It's secure. There you are. In the morning. Well, at least you tried to get your server into the report. I appreciate that. Maybe it'll fare better for the local 360 meetup, which takes place. No, it took place today.

Geez, it already over. It was 11 a.m. in Blaine Washington, 277 G Street. Hope it went well. On Thursday, this coming Thursday, it's Charlotte's Thursday meetup, 7 o'clock at Ed's Tavern in Charlotte, North Carolina. Friday the 22nd, Maastricht the Netherlands. Ah, Mr. Averd-Bopp himself, the, our, gosh, what was the name of? The disaster tech guy who was here in Kerrville, who was helping with. with his disaster tech labs outfit where they bring mesh Wi-Fi networks to disaster areas and leave them for the citizens to continue to use. Thank you, Avert. Still to come in this month of August, McKinney, Texas on the 23rd, Cleveland, Ohio, the 23rd, Los Angeles, California, Leo Bravo on the 30th, and Medford Lakes, New Jersey on the 31st. No agenda meetup.

This is where you find your first responders in a true emergency connection is protection. Go find your group, your tribe, near you. No AgendaMeetups.com. If you can't find one near you, start one yourself. It's easy and always a party. Sometimes you want to go hang out with all the nights and days. You want to be where you want me. Triggered all hell's the lame.

You want to be where everybody feels the same. It's like a party. Thou is like a party, everybody. Okay, at this point in the show, we'd like to determine what we'll play at the very, very end. The last snippet, the last snippet of the show known as the end of show, ISO. I have two. I will go first.

Okay, guys, wrap it up. Nah, too screaming. This next one may be useful. Oh, you guys are terrific. That's all I got. It's accurate. Of course, it's very accurate. Okay.

Yeah, I've got two. I have only fans. Wow, I'd pay to see these two on only fans. Okay, that's a blind lady, obviously. Yeah, yeah, that's good. Blind. Yeah, I'm glad you can do you. The timing was good, too.

I'm impressed. Sometimes I nail it, sometimes. It's always a stunner. I still got it. Uh, well, I don't know about that. Uh, and then we have the other one. What a golden dachnab persnickety podcast. Yehaw.

It's so stupid I want to use it. Hey, everybody, it's time for John C. DeVorax's tip of the day. Great advice for you and me. Just the tip with JCD. And sometimes at all. So, uh, everybody, not everybody, but a lot of people, Well, especially when you get older, you have to deal with your loss of grip. Grip.

And so you get one of those balls, you know, a ball, squeeze, squeeze a ball. Do you squeeze a ball? Do you squeeze a ball? I usually have a squeeze ball around somewhere. Hmm, for your grip. Yeah, it's always good. You know, you want to have a strong handshake. Yes, you do, especially meetups.

And beatups, yeah. But these balls are boring. There's a ball. There it is. Thank you. Balls are boring. These balls are boring. You want everybody out there who should probably have a digital, a digital.

It's called a digital hand grip ball. And what it is, you charge it up. It's got a USB port on it. And you charge it up. And when you squeeze it, it gives you the pounds. It has a digital display that gives you the pounds of price. So you can actually compete with yourself. So you're squeezing the ball and you go, oh, can I get to 40?

You know, and you just squeeze the ball and then you try to squeeze harder. And instead of just squeezing some random ball, you know, like, you know, squeeze, squeeze, squeeze, squeeze, like people do. You get the digital ball and you can squeeze it and you get your, you get a number and you can compete with yourself and it actually improves your grip. Well, that's a pretty good tip. I thought so. What's the name of this product again? It's just, it doesn't really have a brand name. It's just called, if you look it up as a digital hand grip ball.

Digital hand grip ball. That will be on tip of the day.net and no agenda fun.com. That is an outstanding John C. Dvorak, tip of the day. Create advice for you and me, just the tip with JCD. And sometimes Adam, created by Dana Bertetti. One of the trolls said, Hey, if donations are down, you should just monetize the tip of the day, man. Dig it's.

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this time of year. Nice and cool weather. Autumn is here. In the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry. Yeah, from Northern Silicon Valley we're still waiting for summer. I'm John C. DeVorek. See on Thursday. Remember us. No agenda donations.com. Until then, audio. Smofos. A hooey-hooey. And such.

So, Ukraine is a country. Russia is a bigger country. Russia is a power of the century. Russia decided to invade militarily, unprovoked. Basically, that's wrong. We respect the sovereignty, the territorial integrity.

Right, right, right, right. Right, right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right.

We as America are saying that's wrong. and we will stand with Ukraine in saying that that is wrong. We know that what Russia is doing is wrong. There needs to be severe consequence. You'll hear on the news their bad behavior. You'll hear on the news their bad behavior. That's what the issue is, essentially. Their bad behavior.

You'll hear on the news their bad behavior. That's what the issue is, essentially. Right, right, right, right. Right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right. Right. But they gave me 30 days notice so that I could keep working, which I really appreciated, because I needed the income. Those packed with sweet tea, veggies, and the best fresh catfish that shopper Diane Chavis sick get. brought you into that.

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I'm just desperate to find this. Brought you into that? Best ground beef in town. Best fresh catfish that shop. It just feels like we should get some warning away. 20 minute drive on. Because some of us depend on it. Do you want to keep out?

I was packed with sweet tea, veggies, and the best fresh catfish that shopper Diane Chavis sick yet. Brought you into that? Best ground beef in town. Maybe I drove away. 20 minute drive. Now, Jimmy Wright is not talking about his own story. It's a baby 30 safe for that good. The best podcast in the universe.

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