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Bitching and moaning is part of the process. Adam Curry, John C. DeVore Act. It's Sunday, October 19, 2025. This year award-winning Gibbonation Media Assassination Episode 18009. This is no agenda. Blowing up boats and broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas Hill Country here in FEMA region number six. In the morning, everybody. I'm Adam Curry.

And from northern Silicon Valley, where we've discovered that Democrats don't like kings, but they love Queens. I'm John C. DeVorek. It's crackline buzz here. Woo! Did Marty write that for you? No, I wrote that myself. Thank you. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

I don't know. It was a little too good. Yeah. So I did, I followed some of this No Kings Day stuff, and there's really two things that you can just see happening everywhere, at every single one of them. And I wouldn't say, was a complete failure. I mean, they definitely had some crowds here and there.

I thought it was a huge success for them. Yes. Yes. That's what, well, that's what I'm saying. It was, it was reasonable. I'm trying to think, do I have, I thought I had it. Well, what would be more than reasonable to you? Well, you know, it was, the thing is, it's just everybody was kind of nice. You know, just walking around. Oh, so better would be if they'd rioted it and actually made a fuss that it pulled a George Floyd. Yeah. That's an interesting point to make. Here's, let's see. Let me see. I think this is the report I was looking for. Thousands of people are expected to descend on the nation's capital for a no-kings rally. Peaceful movement seeks to send a message to the Trump administration

saying that America does not put up with would-be kings. This week, multiple Republican leaders called next week's event. I hate rally. This hate America rally that they have coming up for October 18th, the Antifa crowd and the pro-Hamas crowd and the Marx crowd and the Marx They're all going to gather on them all. This is about one thing and one thing only to score political points with the terrorist wing of their party, which is set to hold, as Leader Scalise just commented on, a hate America rally in D.C. next week. And then October 18th is when the protest gets here. This will be a Soros paid-for protest for, for his professional protesters show up, the agitators show up.

We'll have to get the National Guard out. hopefully it'll be peaceful I doubt it so none of that this is not a hate America rally this was not Antifa I you know yeah it was funded by by wealthy sources but it wasn't necessarily a George Soros funded organized protest no that the Walton woman is part of this yeah the independent dot org whatever those people are called uh no it's not independent what is it called in indivisible there we go indivisible No, but the two things that, well, there are a couple of things. First of all, everywhere, American flags, it looks, if anything, it looks like the movement

wants to hijack patriotism back from the right, if there is such a thing. So I was just, I was happy in general just to see people with American flags. We haven't seen that from the so-called left in a long time. So I kind of like that. But this was the general consensus amongst every single person who was interviewed man on the street. It was all basically this. There are many, many reasons. I do not want to get into all of them because I cannot stomach, stomach, stomach, stomach the thought of it.

Literally displayed himself as one with AI generated crowns and by quite literally positioning himself in kingly regalia, having a golden ballroom. Who needs a golden ballroom? Seriously. It was like there was nothing about policy, nothing about Republicans. No, it was just to hate Trump. To hate Trump. And this is my favorite lady.

There are many, many. Oh, oops, sorry. That's not the one I meant. Here, this one. This is the lady. No Kings Day. And why specifically are you out supporting No Kings Day? I think protest is important.

Why are you protesting? Um, how much time do you have? A couple minutes. And what's the main reason you're out here protesting President Trump? I don't agree with a lot of the decisions that are being made. Is there any decision in particular you disagree with? Okay, so I would start with, um... Well, I don't even think, I don't even think it's appropriate for me to have this interview.

Yeah, that's correct. I have a topper. You can top that lady? Oh, goodness. Oh, yeah. Okay. I believe this is a topper. All right.

I have three clips on No Kings Day, but this one is, I'll start with the topper, which is this is the man on the street. Yes. Okay, here we go. Trump's a bitch. Yeah, why is that? I don't know. We don't like him. That's the word around here.

Any particular reason why you don't like him? No clue at all. I'm just going with everybody else saying. Are you sure that wasn't AI? That was real? Yeah, there was some guy. White guy sounded like a black guy. Oh, it was a white guy. It's even funny.

I know. Trump's a bitch, man. It's a bitch. It's a bitch. Why? I don't know. Well, I have just a few quick clips because I see you have NPR stuff. Well, yeah, to have one more person on the street, we should probably play first, which is the Unity Unicorn, which is another classic in the lines of that first one you play.

I am the unit of uniform, got my head out of my costume because I can't breathe right now, but we're here doing a peaceful protest, trying to get our democracy back, trying to get the current White House impeached and all removed for crimes against the United States and against our Constitution. Everybody here is being peaceful. So everybody here is being peaceful. I just want it out there. For anybody that's out here, we do have free water and a cooler. I brought some water for everybody in case they get thirsty or if somehow pepper spray happens to hit them, we have a way to wash it out. So anyway, this is my little catch-up for today. So hopefully I'll be doing more of these protests or hopefully we won't have to.

All right. See you later. Bye. Exactly. Exactly. And when I look at this group of people, I'm like, these are just Americans. They're not running around. They're not breaking stuff. They have been completely brainwashed into one thing and one thing only. We need our democracy back. And that's actually worse than anything because they believe they have been completely brainwashed into believing we have a democracy. You know, and so the chance, everything was there. We love America. We have to fight for our democracy. Our democracy.

If you've been paying attention, if you paid attention in high school, junior high, or college. If you pay attention to those lessons, some of the things are happening here where countries, people in other countries, bad things happen to them. And we have a pattern going on here. And so we need to stop it. This is what democracy looks like. Continuously, and I realize this is it. It's that this is what democracy looks like, which is, you know, we learned that if you paid attention in school. Yeah, I don't know what school you went to, but unfortunately, the scholastic system has let us down and taught people some retarded things about our republic, our constitutional representative republic.

It is not a democracy. We just have to keep saying it now. Bernie Sanders came out doing it. No, President Trump. We don't want you or any other king to rule us. Thank you very much. But we will maintain our democratic form of society. No.

We don't have a democratic form of society. This is the problem. Now I realize they've just been taught complete different America. I don't know if that's fixable, but, dude, like, get it together. It doesn't seem like the left is mad at the right. They just hate Trump. And I thought your newsletter was very on point. You know, the joke of it all is that it's literally kings and monarchs

who are trying to destroy us with the North Sea nexus. And then these people come up with no kings. It's demented. But the people themselves are okay. I have to say, and it is something we keep forgetting, or at least I have and I think maybe generally everyone has, which is that we are a constitutional republic. We're not a constitutional democracy. No. And I've heard more than a couple of politicians call us a constitutional democracy.

We're not. Or Tulsi Gabbard saying a democratic republic. No, no, we're not. Get it straight. That's wrong too that she says that. They're all saying it because it's been drummed into everyone that it is. And so we're losing our democracy, which we don't have, to begin with. We're a republic.

And if they truly believe. We've been talking about this, by the way, on this show for at least 15 years. Yeah. You're right, because it's so prevalent, this is what. I didn't clip it, Cory Booker, this is what democracy looks like. But that's not. But the thing is. is if this is what democracy looked like, then, okay, you lost, shut up.

So you want a democracy where the mob rules, in this case, the Republicans rule. They would be the mob. And then if this is what democracy looks like, then shut up, go home, and wait until you have the mob rule. So it doesn't even make sense because that's not what democracy looks like. Actually, as you think about it, if a bunch of people in the streets screaming their heads off, including the, we, you have to hear the, hey, ho, got to go stuff. Oh, I have two new ones, yeah. It's like, if that's what democracy looks like, it's a mess.

Yeah, exactly. Who wants that? This is a, this was a very odd one. Get FEMA out of DHS. Get FEMA out of DHS. I saw this one. Get FEMA? Doesn't even rhyme.

Get FEMA out of DHS? And then what was this one? Hey, hey, Donald J. How many kids did you saw today? Hey, hey, Donald J. How many kids did you start today? Hey, hey. I'm not even sure what he's saying.

How many kids do you? Hey, hey, how many kids did you just starve? Oh, starve today. Oh, okay. Got it. So, yeah. But otherwise, I was actually quite happy. I'm like, oh.

By the way, when is Trump starving kids? Yeah, well, I don't know. Well, it must be Ghazans, I guess. Yeah. But I like the, you know, these, I like the flags, like a lot of Americans with flags. Yeah, there's a lot. With the West Coast coverage is a little different than what you saw. Well, there's a lot of Mexican flags and a lot of trans flags.

Hello, hello. Hello. I'm talking about America. You no longer live in America. That's California. No, it's not close enough. No. All right. What do you have?

What's this NPR stuff? What do you have here? Well, this is the only. The only, the one summary report that I thought was, was interesting, because this is NPR's report on the, I mean, every news channel, they were overcovered it, especially out here. Yeah. And it was like, oh, look at this, look at that. And there's just a bunch of people. And a lot of mostly old people.

Oh, no. A lot of, it's like the retirees all came out of the woodwork. It always hurts to see the Vietnam vets, you know, in these protests. There's a couple of those. And there's a lot of old old old, old unconstructed hippie ladies that are, you know, I hate to say it, but they're my age and they just look dreadful. They just look, they're just horrible, horrible looking people. You could have gone out and you could have scored, man. That sounds like a Babe Paradise.

I'd still be itching. So this is, this is to me, classic because it's NPR. They want their funding back, and they're, I don't know what they're trying to pull here. But this is, I consider this one of the most slanted news coverage reports I've heard for a while. In rural Shenandoah County, Virginia, demonstrators packed a quarter mile of sidewalk for the No Kings rally against President Trump. Randy B. Hagee, with member station WMRA, has more. Hey, hey, ho, Donald Trump. The No Kings gathering was part of a seven-month streak of weekly protests against the Trump administration.

Here's one of the organizers, Dr. Mark Pierce. The reason we are out here is to give a message that we are not his subjects. Local resident Joan Griffin has been consistently protesting here. The fact that they are grabbing people who are even American citizens off the street, the cutting off of funding to universities and the like for research. And then I'm very disturbed by what is the apparent destruction of the federal government. More than 70% of voters in the county cast their ballot for President Donald Trump last year. For NPR News, I'm Randy B. Hagee in Woodstock, Virginia.

And that's part of some 2,500 marches around the country today. So they had 7 million, I'm looking at MSNBC now, 7 million protesters. Okay, so you've got 2% of the country. That's what democracy looks like. You are in the minority. Go home. You lost. isn't that what democracy looks like or

okay you're protesting it's fine I think a lot of people are just protesting just because well it's the American thing to do we protest which I'm totally okay with I think there's a lot of socialization oh street I heard every report look more like a street party well that's fine that's good

no I was I thought this was actually a very American type of thing you know Americans get very confused all of us do at some point and go out, you know, we're out there, we're letting our voice be heard. And in this case, all we have to say is we hate Trump. We hate his golden stuff. But they know little about government or how it works or what our constitutional republic is really supposed to do,

which is just protect our rights as citizens and not much else. Dismantling of the government, I'm all for. I think that should be the stance. It was just, it was interesting. The way the Mike Johnson, the empty far, Mike Johnson is useless. National Guard.

No. No. These were actually peace-loving Americans who just have no, you know, they have no, they get no poll on TikTok so that, you know, let me go out with some other people and I'll feel like I'm an audience.

Half the people don't even know how to use TikTok. In fact, the thing that, and if you think about it, think about it, images you've seen of all the people out there, you didn't see, you saw very few of them holding a phone. Oh, interesting. Well, how come you, this is your people. You should have been out there. They were my people. They didn't have a phone. And it's like, and they were in my age group, which is, I mean, it was just a bunch of old farts, basically. And they didn't have phones.

You didn't see anybody on their phones because they, they were, they were old. This was a retirement community let go. Okay, everybody, let's hit the streets. Here's ten bucks. Here's ten bucks. Here's some signs. That's interesting. Yeah. Well, there were some younger people, but it's just very few. But at least out here. Most of the images, imagery I saw was very few young people. And mostly, I'm 60 and up. No phones. Dumb. They didn't know anything about what was going on. Well, that's kind of the egregious part, is that they really just don't know much about our system, how it's supposed to work, how it has been working. You don't actually want a democracy. That is the end of everything.

Just look at Europe. I love the people who say, oh, I'm going to go live in Lisbon. It's great there. Okay. All right. Don't hang out too long because it's all going to come crashing down. Lisbon. I'm going to Portugal.

It's the best. No, not really. You'll see. So, yeah. I was pleased. I have to say, I was just pleased that it wasn't what it could have been and what the Republican scaremongers told us it would be. We've always had dumb people in America. We've always looked at other Americans.

I mean, that gets crazy. You know, we've had a lot of weird things that we do, that we get into. like a jazzer size. You've had some odd, odd ones. You're wondering. You're kind of like, you're just kind of going off here. Yeah, I am. I am.

Jazzercise. I was wondering where this is headed. That's just nowhere, straight into a pitch. Wow. Straight into a pit. I did have one clip from Don Lemon, who, now, if anyone's a problem. Is Don Lemon and you should arm ourselves? Yeah, that's the one.

It's like Don Let's a great clip. Now, by the way, I agreed with Don Lemon. Everybody should arm themselves. Most people agree with Don Lemon. It's just that his attitude about this is the problem. Black people, brown people of all stripes, whether you're an Indian American or a Mexican American or whoever you are, go out in your place where you live and get a gun legally. get a license to carry legally because when you have people knocking on your door and taking you away without due process as a citizen, isn't that what the Second Amendment was written

for? Go back and read what the Second Amendment says. And perhaps it will knock some sense in the head, in the heads of these people who are saying, well, it's all great. I don't believe they're doing it without due process. They're asking people for papers. They're not really beating people up. These people are doing things that are illegal. Nobody is illegal. It is a misdemeanor to cross the border. It's misdemeanor. I love somehow the audio on him got really flithy.

He sounds better that way. He's a misdemeanor. You know, the other thing is, besides his fact that he thinks misdemeanor's not breaking the law. Yeah. He, which we had in another clip, but he, he lives in, I think he lives in New York, if I'm not mistaken. You can't get a gun in New York. No. No.

No matter what you think. No. But the, so I, when I saw this, I did question myself because I've seen some other posts, posts on the X. And I wonder, you know, because I live in a predominantly white community in Texas, I mean, am I missing something? Am I missing American citizens who are brown and black being roused and arrested and asked for their papers continuously? I don't see a lot of video evidence of it, and you'd think you would see it if that were happening. Yes, that's a good point.

You know, where's the video evidence? Yeah, I mean, we've had enough of the kid being zip tied. We know what that was now, and, you know, dragged out naked. And, but like I said on the last show where, you know, the white liberals of Austin are like, we need to do ice training for when they come to take our brown people.

There's just no evidence of it. you know no so i'd like to see that and i understand the empathy they have but you know this is what democracy looks like the the president was democratically elected then he said he would do this and i think he's doing what he said he would and going way beyond with these these these boats man this is a North Sea Nexus attack. This is fantastic. What, the boats? Yeah. Oh, yeah. President Trump... Okay, explain that one. Okay. As you said, and I agree with you, that these drug boats, this is all drugs for Europe, and I'm in complete agreement, knowing that in particular, once something comes into the port of Rotterdam, where most of the drugs come in, you know, through whatever pipelines, coming from Colombia, coming from Venezuela. Look, that's where the Coke comes from.

That is their money. That's the big, big money. It's the banks are involved. The politicians are involved. Drugs is the business. It's certainly the business of the Netherlands. It's one of two things. Either storing money for, well, three things.

Storing money for big tech, which is tax-free because there's no tax on intellectual property, which is why the Rolling Stones have. have all their main offices there. Or you're running mailbox accounts for Russian oligarchs. Or you're in the drug trade. I mean, it is a drug transport haven. It is a narco state. And it's been that way for decades.

So, yeah, when you start to take out boats, well, yeah. And now, you don't think Trump is. taking the boats out on the behest of the of the kings no no they're the ones taking the money messing with them yes oh 100% absolutely that's white the white supremacy by the way what do you mean that's white supremacy to say 100% oh that's white supremacy yeah somebody said have you talking to the kids again it's white supremacy no they didn't come up with somebody I'm one of the MSNBC or somebody came up with that. Oh, that's great. So, so let me see. So I didn't even know this was going on. We have Operation Pacific Viper. This is not even in the Mediterranean. This is

Operation Pacific Viper. As Coast Guard has announced it, he's seized more than 100,000 pounds of cocaine. The seizures are part of Operation Pacific Viper. It started in August in the eastern Pacific Ocean targeting drugs from Central and South America. Officials, say they are seizing 1,600 pounds of drugs daily. 86 people have been arrested suspected of narco-trafficking. The Coast Guard says it is focusing on drug smuggling routes in the eastern Pacific Ocean and dismantling narco-terrorist networks. Which includes Colombia.

The United States has struck yet another ship in the Caribbean. In a bragging post on social media, President Donald Trump posted this video, claiming the vessel was a drug-carrying submarine. U.S. intelligence confirmed this vessel was loaded up with mostly fentanyl and other illegal narcotics. There were four known narco-terrorists on board the vessel. Two of the terrorists were killed. One of the survivors was a 34-year-old Colombian, who authorities say has been repatriated and will be prosecuted for alleged drug smuggling. Washington claims its unprecedented military campaign in the Caribbean has so far killed at least 27 drug smugglers.

In Colombia, there is a different story. Local media reported that one of the victims from a recent attack was a fisherman whose engine was switched off and had issued a distress signal. An enraged President Gustavo Petro shared the reports on his own social media. US government officials have committed murder and violated our sovereignty in our territorial waters. Fisherman Alejandro Carranza had no ties to drug traffickers and his daily activity was fishing. The US has been building its military presence in the Caribbean and since September has targeted at least six vessels, some from Venezuela.

Human rights experts have described the strikes as extrajudicial killings. Yeah, of course, that's the main narrative. Like, everybody's like, oh, this is illegal killing. Illegal killing. Like, what killing should be legal? Oh, it's illegal killing. And I guess because of the past couple of days, CBS brought it all back in a report about CIA and Venezuela. In a dramatic new show of force, 3B52 long-range bombers flew for hours yesterday off the coast of Venezuela.

Late today, the commander in charge of the mission, Admiral Alvin Hosley, abruptly stepped down, a surprise move less than a year into the job. That's, after President Trump told reporters, he authorized CIA operations in the country, prompting concern from Democrats on Capitol Hill. Starting wars that may spiral out of control ought to be deeply alarming to the American public. There are now 10,000 troops in the Caribbean, including eight warships and a submarine. And new images show military helicopters, which could carry special operation soldiers 90 miles off Venezuela's coast. We are certainly looking at land now because we've got the sea very well under control. The U.S. military took out another alleged drug carrying boat this week, the fifth strike, in six weeks. Venezuelan president, Nicolas Maduro, has fired back against the escalation,

there will be no regime change or CIA orchestrated coup. President Trump has not explicitly called to regime change, but the administration has made clear it does not want Maduro to remain in power. There's a $50 million reward for information leading to his arrest for alleged drug trafficking. Former U.S. ambassador to Panama, John Feeley, said Maduro has long been a problem for the U.S. He is the nominal head of a government that has been wholly captured by organized crime in Venezuela. And I think the problem is not even so much. Well, the drugs are the problem, of course.

But we have to go back to the Panama Papers. That's how all the drug money was being hidden. And it's from, remember how many people had money involved in the Panama Papers? Everybody. Yeah. And people don't even even know it. a lot of money. I give it to those guys. Those guys did something with it. You know, it's all stored offshore. And, and this is, this is the cartel. And I think President Trump is bringing

it down. Interestingly, or at least this is a start. It's pretty big. Interesting. Yeah, it's pretty big when you're bringing into 100,000, you know, 50,000 pounds of Coke at a time. It's 15,000 pounds a day. How much cocaine is the American public consuming? Well, it's not. It's not. You can sense a lot of it by some of the people that you see even on podcasts i never notice it that's your job that's your beat you notice the the co-kids i'm always surprised that you never picked up on that no on the you know sometimes you could tell just just listen to the guy talking that baby he's been something's wrong with his he's got an adenoidal sound who who give me names we've got they're all over the place it's like the number of people that you hear that have the

coked voice is, I'd be saying it too often. You know, that guy sounds like you can't keep accusing everybody being coked up, but sometimes with these numbers I'm hearing, maybe they are. No, it's Europe. Europe, everybody's doing coke in Europe.

I think you're wrong. I think a good portion of the politicians are coked up. Oh, that's possible. In this country. Yeah, no, I'm, well, they're just getting part of the supply. They're in the supply chain. And by the way, as a former drug user, I can just say cocaine is not an excellent drug.

It sucks. You know, weed, yeah, all right. You know, I can go with that. But cocaine, no, it's just a crappy drug. Anyway, so Majuro, apparently, according to this journalist, he said, what do you want? I'll do anything you want. Just stop it, make it stop, make it go away. I didn't even know where you had said that, but this is what this journalist is.

said the president in a question. Mr. President has been reported that Maduro offered everything in his country, all the natural resources. He even recorded a message to you in English recently, offering mediation. What should we do to stop that? He has offered everything. He's offered everything. You're right.

You know why? Because he doesn't want to fuck around with the United States. Thank you, everybody. Thank you, guys. Wow. Yeah, that's big boy talk right there. And then this surprise... Yeah, by the way, I've heard that clip a dozen times,

but they've always bleeped out what he said there. Oh, well, that's no good. And this, you know, this head of U.S. military for Latin American command or whatever it is, in a surprise move, he has resigned. Well, that's not entirely true. It's the latest shake-up in the senior ranks of the U.S. military. under the Trump administration. The Admiral who oversees operations in the South Caribbean and Latin America will step down in December,

two years earlier than expected. December, it's not like he quit right away. Like, you can't be killing people. I quit. I'm a military man. We don't kill people. I quit. He's a military man, we don't kill people.

That's a good line. He's retiring early. On behalf of the Department of War, we extend our deepest gratitude to Admiral Alvin Holsey for his more than 37 years. of distinguished service to our nation as he plans to retire at years end. The New York Times reports a U.S. official said Holsey raised concerns over attacks on alleged drug votes and a source told Reuters that there was tension between him and Secretary Hegeseth in the days leading up to the moment. On October 10th, Florida-based U.S. Southern Command announced it would create a new joint task force based in North Carolina to coordinate

future counter-narcotics operations in the Western Hemisphere. The shake-up takes place in the backdrop of a U.S. military buildup and an escalation of tensions with Venezuela. Yeah, they're just connecting things. I don't, I honestly don't think it's connected. I think the guy's just tired. You know what? I'm getting out early. Oh, no. This is no good. And France, man, France is in the crosshairs. This got almost no press. At least I didn't hear about it until I came across this one clip. France's biggest bank, BNP Paribat, forced to pay millions of dollars because of its operations in Sudan. It's been found completely. complicit in atrocities that took place in the country in the early 2000s.

On Friday, a U.S. jury cited with... Say what? That was B&P, Bank National Paris? Yes. That's a big bank. It's the biggest. It's the biggest one. We'll listen to the accusation that they were found guilty of. It's been found complicit in atrocities that took place in the country in the early 2000s.

On Friday, a U.S. jury sided with three plaintiffs after hearing testimonies of their suffering at the hands of Sudanese soldiers and militias. Our clients lost everything to a campaign of destruction fueled by U.S. dollars that BMP Paribaba facilitated and that should have been stopped. The plaintiffs, two men and one woman, originally from Sudan, but now American citizens, said that they had been tortured, burned with cigarettes and, in the case of the woman, sexually assaulted by Sudanese forces, while former President Omar El Bashir was in power. The plaintiffs argued the bank-backed El-Bashir's regime by giving it access to markets to export resources, enabling it to buy weapons for use against its population.

The war in Sudan killed 300,000 people and displaced millions between 2002 and 2008, according to the UN. Attorneys for BNP Paribaba said it had no knowledge of the human rights violations and that the plaintiffs would have been abused or tortured despite the bank's operations in the country. Sudan would indeed commit human rights crimes without oil or BNP Paribati. The plaintiffs will be awarded over $20 million. Their lawyers say their case may open the door for 20,000 others Sudanese refugees in the U.S. to seek billions of dollars in compensation from the French bank. Not that we care much about Sudanese in America. I mean, I didn't see any protests about the 300,000 dead people.

Nah, who cares? No Jews. No Jews to blame it on. Here's, you know, since. That's right. Bank National Peribati, I think, is what is the last, the Pist stands for. Yeah, it's the biggest one. And so they were funding that guy.

I don't say, you know, they're doing banker stuff. giving money to people. All wars are banker wars. I'm no disagreement from me there. And now, now we've got our boys. Hey, France is weak. I know.

Let's put in the call to the boys. Down again to just one A. Credits ratings agency's standard and pause has notched France down to A plus. One month after Fitch did the same. Yeah, from AA, from AAA to AA to A plus. That's way down. That's horrible, yes.

They think the country will be slower to repair its finances and repay its debts than previously expected. We expect policy uncertainty will affect the French economy by dragging on investment activity and private consumption and therefore on economic growth. It's a slap in the face before France's fractured parliament begins debating a new budget on Monday. The downgrade is an unusual move outside of regular. scheduled updates and came at the end of a turbulent week in which Prime Minister Sebastian Le Corneux survived two no-confidence votes and pledged to suspend a highly controversial pension reform. Reacting to the rating, Finance Minister Roland Lescure said it stressed the importance of approving a budget by the end of the year. The agency highlighted France's very good

fundamentals. We have a diversified economy, resilient growth and a high level of savings, which is really important at the level of ban. As hard as passing a budget will be, it's only the beginning. S&P projects that France's debt will rise to 121% of GDP by 2028, 9% more than last year. Next Friday, fellow credit rate of Moody's will reveal whether they too are downgrading France. Of course they will. Of course they will because the other guys did. It's like the first one.

That's why they did it out of order. They said it was not normal to do it outside of their. quarterly changes. So they just jumped on board. No, we're not going to, no, we did it. We did it already. It's for the reputation of standard and pores. It's the only reason they did it's out of the blue.

Of course. Of course. So Moody's will do it. And so then the next thing it would be down to an A. Yeah. And of course, it's, I mean, we have 125% debt to GDP, I think. But we have our own money. No, we don't have 125.

What is it? No, it's way below that. It's over 100, but it's not 120. Oh, I thought. I was, people always told me. No, I don't know. No, you ask the robot. All right, let me ask the robot.

Hold on a second. Hello, robot. Where are you? Where's my robot? What is the current U.S. debt to GDP ratio? A GDP ratio usually means a figure. I don't need a lesson in GDP. I'll try it again.

What is the current United States GDP to debt ratio? The current United States debt to GDP ratio is about 119 percent, meaning total debts a bit over 36 trillion. Okay. Well, so she says 119. All right. So it wasn't way below. No, well.

I thought it was less than 119. Way below. So I'm not, it wasn't way below. It's just below. Yeah. But they don't, but they don't control their own money. They don't get to print it. They don't control it.

Yes, this is a big difference. They may have a French lady running the show, but I don't think she has any affinity towards France, per se. She's an international banker. So, yeah, you know, me. I think they're screwed. Yeah, I think the war is on. This is Greece all over again.

Well, Greece was a little worse, and it was their own people, their own European brethren doing it to them. now which of course should bring us to what's happening in Ukraine because that is the next step

for the A couple of clips on this I have some analysis Yes I have some analysis too We'll go with your analysis first Yes Go with my analysis first Yes

Yeah clip one Oh I thought you have no leading You're not going to tell me where the No I got no No, because these clips are sitting there says you create an analysis. Yeah, but where are they from? What is it? What is it about?

These are, these are from NPR. Oh. It may even be Scott Simon's boys. Oh, geez. If it's Scott Simon, I'll be mad. There we go. President Trump says he wants Russia and Ukraine stopped fighting in their current music. I warn you.

This is an outrage. Because you didn't get to play the Scott Simon jingle. Exactly. Suffer and succotash. I'm Scott. Simon. President Trump says he wants Russia and Ukraine to stop fighting in their current positions and start setting up a ceasefire. He made the comments Friday after two-hour meeting in the Oval Office with Ukraine's President Zelenskyy, who told reporters that he agreed.

He is right. President is right that we have to stop where we are. This is important to stop where we are and then to speak. However, remains a challenge, and Ukrainians say largely because of Russia. And Pierre's Ukraine correspondent, Joanna Kikis in Kiev, joins us. Joanna, thanks for being with us. Thanks for having me on the show, Scott. How are Ukrainians reacting to President Trump's latest proposal to win the war? Well, Scott, Ukrainians certainly want a ceasefire. They want an end of the war, which Russia started, and they certainly see that this is a war of attrition,

and Russia is larger and has more resources. In Kiev, we spoke with Vladislav Havri Lov, who investigates Russian war crimes here, and here's how he put it. He's saying that the war is depleting Ukraine, that they're not enough people or resources or emotional bandwidth to keep fighting indefinitely. However, like many Ukrainians, he says that a ceasefire favoring Russia would only open Ukraine to future Russian attacks. Now, as President Zelensky tried to convince the Trump administration that accommodating Russia is not going to lead to peace, So, Scott, before I get into that, let me point out that Russia actually began its war on Ukraine back in 2014, seizing parts of the south and east. Now, Russia agreed to previous ceasefires during that stage of the war, but repeatedly violated the terms. And then in 2020, Russian forces tried to invade all of Ukraine.

So Zelensky told reporters in Washington that to make a current ceasefire work, you need to strengthen Ukraine and force Russian President Vladimir Putin into concessions. Okay, a couple things. First, interesting, interesting that this started when Russia took over Crimea, forget all the other stuff that happened in 2014. By the way, it turns out Boris... Oh, forget the fact that this is what democracy looks like. They voted. The public voted in a democratic fashion in East Crimea and voted for the Russians to take over. That's what democracy looks like. No, that's not what democracy looks like, because it's not right. it turns out Boris Johnson when he went in to stop the peace negotiations he brought in one of his big donors to his outfit, his organization

and once the peace process was stopped that guy donated a million pounds just one of those little irritating little things that pops up. The second thing, you know what I'm missing? Besides endless war footage of all the people being killed in Ukraine, I know it's available.

Please don't email me and say it's on telegram. I know. I'm talking about mainstream visuals. We've had it of everything. Of all the wars that are important to television, they show it. So this one is just not important. And what I never see or hear is man on the street. Can I hear one Ukrainian voice just once?

I don't ever hear a Ukrainian person speaking about what they think about what's going on. It's always some analyst or one. I have seen and heard this. Well, then we need to bring some clips because I'm skeptical. I don't see any of it. Well, you're saying that the whole war is a scam? Is it a fake? No, I'm saying that they're not being honest about it.

And maybe the Ukrainians are really sick and tired of this. And it's not just, well, you know, it's hard to get people to fight. I'm not going to argue against that because they should be. Yes, I'm sure they are. Sure they are. All right, let's go to clip two. For us, all the signals from Russians, they are not new, but we count on president on his pressure on Putin to stop this war. And by pressure, he means additional U.S. sanctions or supplying Ukraine with American weapons like the Tomahawk cruise missile, which can hit targets deep inside Russia.

I'm also, I got to stop here. Why do we not have protests against these completely misnomered, misnamed weapons? they should, I mean, isn't, you mean by the Native Americans, by the indigenous people, bitching and moaning about that Tomahawk? Yes. What did Tomahawks do? Do they scalp the enemy? I mean, this is, this is an outrage that we keep calling them Tomahawks on NPR. But the Trump administration has not agreed to either. Can President Stunschky do anything more to convince him? Well, that's not clear because. They can do a dance. You know, Ukrainians often see their diplomatic efforts fall apart after Trump talks with

Putin, which he did before Zelensky's visit. And Zelensky, by the way, has spent months working on his relationship with Trump, which got off to a very rocky start at the beginning of the year. Ukraine has also signed a mineral steel with the Trump administration. Zolensky offered cutting-edge drones in exchange and maybe some Tomahawk cruise missiles. Ukrainian diplomacy did seem to pay off last month when Trump suggested Russia was weak and Ukraine could even win this war, but Zelensky walked away Friday with not much of anything. and Trump said he will meet with Putin soon in Hungary. Do Ukrainians tend to believe that President Trump alone can convince Russia to agree to a ceasefire?

Well, it's interesting you ask that, Scott. I have some man on the street interviews from actual Ukrainians, and here's what they have to say. You know, some Ukrainians are skeptical. I spoke with Olexander Khriev of the Ukrainian PRISM Foreign Policy Council in Kiev, and he said Trump won't be able to negotiate any kind of ceasefire involved. Russia without China, which supports Russia politically and financially. But that wasn't the question. Scott wanted to know about Ukrainians. And you give us some console guy? See, this is what bothers me.

Yeah, some guy who runs an NGO. Yeah, they're just playing games. Okay. Well, it's last one short. This is short. Short. China is the only one who can influence Russia to stop hostilities and to stop the attacks and to stop the war as it is. So basically without substantial push from China and without substantial push from the United States on China in order to push on Russia,

I don't think anything will be done. He says the next steps might be clear after China and the U.S. fight out their trade war. It turns out that the Ukrainians speak perfect English, but we don't have any men on the street. Okay. So I have a few clips here of Zelensky in D.C. and what was different is this was more like a board meeting.

So I found the setting to be interesting. This wasn't a come and sit down in front of my gold fireplace. This was a come in. I want you come into the boardroom here, Volodymy. Why don't you sit down and why don't you tell us what you want? U.S. President Donald Trump is backing off on providing Ukraine with long-range tomahawk missiles, something his Ukrainian counterpart, Volodymyr Zelensky, is still lobbying hard to receive.

Ukraine has such thousands of our production drones, but we don't have Tomahawks. That's why we need Tomahawks. But the United States is a very strong production. Yes. And the United States has Tomahawks and other missiles, very strong missiles. But they can have our thousands of drones. That's why we can work together, where we can strengthen American production. This is hilarious.

Hey, man, we got awesome drones. give us some tomahawks. What kind of deal is that? We don't want the tomahawks. That's ridiculous. I mean, the drones. It's just, it's like, oh, we have thousands of drones. Why don't you stick them up your butt?

We don't need the drones. What are we going to use drones for other than to terrorize our own people over New Jersey? Well, that'll be later. Well, so the thing, the other thing is we, you know, there's got to be a, at least in the meetings without, where they say, you know, if he gets a hold of these tomahawks, he's going to send one right into the Kremlin. Of course. Well, actually, there's a little more to the tomahawk business,

but first let's go to my boy, my boy from Scandinavia, Rusulus, Andrew Rusulis. I got a rundown from him once again. Well, we haven't heard from him for a couple of weeks. Yeah, because it wasn't interesting. But now it's interesting again. And so they get them back in. And of course, what happened in the backdrop of all this is the Trump-Puton phone call.

Well, certainly the conversation that he had with Putin, that Putin's request on Thursday, seemed to make a very significant impact on Trump. We saw that display in yesterday's meeting with Zelensky in the open news part where we could actually watch the conversation. And I watched Trump very carefully. And he seemed to me to be very convinced, not that there was a guarantee at achieving a peace settlement, but that there was a real prospect, which is why he's going now this distance to a bilateral summit with Putin in Hungary, and maybe about four weeks from now. We'll have to see sometime in November, I would imagine.

But there was a shift. I mean, so the Russians said something, or Putin said something to Trump in those two and a half hours, that we, of course, do not know what that was. But we know, based on Trump's reaction, that Putin must have convinced him, based on probably two tracks. One is something about the Ukraine war that maybe there's some movement possible from the Russian side, and two, the bilateral side, this is the ongoing American and Russian attempts to rebuild the bilateral relationship, which is very important to both Trump and Putin.

So anyways, all that led to Trump being convinced it's worth a shot and diplomacy is back on the track. Okay, so something happened. We don't know exactly what. I think it has to do with the previous clips because he didn't put two and two together here, but I'm going to do it. Okay. I think it has something to do with China. Well, he actually does go into this in a later clip here. But first, we need to talk about the top.

Tomahawks. And again, I mean, I think it was almost more insulting to have Volodymyr Zelensky sitting there saying, hey, man, I got a thousand drones. Give me some domahawks. I mean, even price-wise, it doesn't make any sense. But the Tomahawk turnaround is on deck here. Well, I think the turnaround is predominantly diplomatic. I mean, yes, the United States has to maintain its stockpile. And there was never any talk, even when Trump was suggesting that they might sell tomahawks and Ukrainians. The numbers floated in the press were like

10, 15, very small numbers and not all that significant in the battlefield context. You would need hundreds of these missiles to really be effective strategically. They need to be fired in salvos and so on. So there was always this

sort of limitation from Trump. He was I think mostly using it as a kind of a rhetorical pushing against the Russians, and it may have succeeded because he got a phone call on Thursday from Putin. So I thought that to be interesting. I don't know much about the Tomahawk missiles, but I guess that they're not just good, just having like 10 of them. You got to have hundreds of them in order for them to be effective? Well, that's what he said. That's what he said. I know, but that's not the case. It's a cruise missile. Well, don't they have... You don't need hundreds of cruise missiles.

they used to use them in the Middle East and from their side they shot them off of ships and there'd be one shot off and then another there'd be like two and they go all I think those are the things

that may have hit one of the Iranian nuke plants they don't have hundreds of them they don't even know if we have that many you were bitching and Mona we haven't got enough tomahawks it's not like a little bitty thing

it's a big giant missile yeah subsonic cruise missile yeah and it floats around loaded the ground so they radar can't catch it. So they can't stop it with like their own Russian Iron Dome? There is no Russian Iron Dome. Well, how do you know?

We've never tried it. Well, we don't want to find out by sending a cruise missile to Moscow. Obviously, you don't want this dancer to have any Tomahawks. That's obvious. That's just no good. No, it's no good. Even if there was a deal on deck, we're not going to do that. And I think you have to have U.S. guidance in order to use those.

I don't think they just light the fuse and go, all right, put your fingers in years. They light the fuse and put their hands over their ears. I don't think that's how it works. So, of course, we had the bilateral coming up in Budapest, and there could be some issues with the European nations. They will. I mean, there will be certain countries that will insist on what they would say

the rule of law and the adherence to the international criminal court. On the other hand, it's well known. These provisions can be waived for special. circumstances. And it can be waived to achieve a diplomatic meeting. That is certainly within the construct of the law. So exemptions are permissible. And so, you know, he would have to get a flight plan and so on. If you look at the map, I did a quick look. Black Sea to Mediterranean international airspace. You'd have to cross Slovenian airspace and then Austrian airspace to get to Hungary. Those would be the minimum amount of European countries

that would have to grant them airspace privileges. But I think under the circumstances, I would be surprised to find those countries or any other countries really stand in the way. All right. Well, I do have the latest out of Brussels. This is the second don't to Queen Ursula, cautiously welcoming the Putin-Trump meeting in Budapest. The European Commission has cautiously welcomed the announcement of a summit between the American and Russian presidents to find a solution to the war in Ukraine. The meeting between Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin could take place within two weeks

in Budapesh, although no further details are available at the moment. What I want to convey from the European Commission point of view and from President von der Leyen's point of view, first to repeat that any meeting that moves forward the process of achieving a just and lasting peace for Ukraine is welcome. The location of the meeting is politically significant, Hungarian Prime Minister, Victor Orban, is seen as close to Donald Trump as well as to Vladimir Putin. Furthermore, Victor Orban is at odds with the European Union regarding its stance on the war in Ukraine. Cautiously, cautiously. I think that was an interesting clip to previous one about how it's illegal, actually, to have Putin go to Budapest.

Yeah. Because he's indicted by the international criminal court, which is part of the EU. And so they have to arrest him. Well, no, I think what he said is that they can... No, then he said that they can get an exception. Yes, exactly. Which has to be done in writing or just somebody says it or the whole thing, bullcrap. In triplicate with carbon copy paper.

All right, we got some stamps here. All right, you're good to go. You've got passage. And then Queen Ursula, this was puzzling to me. This is her response to the, let's put ceasefire in big quotes and seems to be still some some firing going on in Israel, between Israel and the Gazans. War is over, so I guess now it's time for Europe to do something. The devastating war in Gaza has now come to an end, marking a pivotal moment not only for Gaza,

but also for the European Union and the wider Mediterranean, marking the moment when the future of the region is being rewritten. Europe has a stake in shaping a future. of peace and prosperity. Because this is our common region and we want to play our part as partners. And this is our commitment to our shared Mediterranean

home. Our shared Mediterranean home. When did this happen all of a sudden? Probably during the Eurovision song contest. I'm not sure. So they have the whole system for it. In an increasingly competitive

and contested global economy our economic ties with our southern neighbors have already grown stronger. Trade between the European Union and the rest of the Mediterranean has increased by over 60% in the last five years. Our value chains are more and more interconnected. So we should work on a deeper integration. We should simplify making business with each other. And we should create new ties between our industries, our universities, our institutions. This is why today we are making a clear offer to our neighbors. Let us create a common,

Mediterranean space with a goal of progressive integration between the two of us. And this is the essence of the Pact of the Mediterranean. The Pact of the Mediterranean. See, this is exactly what Trump knows. Is it a good idea? Let the Arabs run the place. Well, they're doing a pretty bad job. Some breaking news this hour.

The Israeli military has confirmed that fighter jets carried out airstrikes in the Rafa area. of southern Gaza on Sunday. The army says the strikes were in response to attacks by Hamas militants on Israeli troops. The militant group Hamas has so far not commented on these strikes. Meanwhile, the Rafah border crossing between Gaza and Egypt is still closed. It had been hoped that eight trucks could start using the crossing from Monday. But Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says it will remain closed

until further notice. Adding its reopening will depend on Hamas handing. over the bodies of the remaining deceased hostages. Israel says it has identified both bodies of two deceased hostages that Hamas has handed over on Saturday night. Hamas has so far returned the remains of 12 identified bodies out of 28 deceased hostages. So what happens now?

Here's the problem. These guys died maybe over a year ago and they started stinking up to place. They buried them all over Gaza. There's a bunch of corpses. And so they're using bulldozers, they say. They have to dig up trying to roll these guys out of the graves. You know, they're not like in a coffin.

And so they got a bunch, you know, they're not going to get all 28 of them because most of them are decomposed. I know, but that wasn't the part of the report I was focusing on. Oh, no, but the part of the report I was focusing on was the guy says, because the Israelis are making a big fuss. about where's our dead bodies yes i understand but that's not why they were fighting apparently hamas is still shooting at the idf behind the yellow line or whatever it is yeah the unseen yellow yellow the magical yellow right but don't we have uh where are the arab troops there to go and stop

and say well that's the question and the indonesians are supposed to be there you know they should have these guys should have been there by now well it doesn't seem like They're there yet. Yeah, I agree with that, too. Yeah, so. But they're never going to get these bodies back. No, no. Dissolved.

That was probably a little trick. They were the, the Benjamin Netanyahu had up his sleeve. Oh, we'll never get it back so we can go and strike him again. I believe that's a possibility. Yeah. Which is not very. I think not, Netanyahu is just not, you know, he's out of control. Yeah.

And he just announced he's running again. I don't think he's got the... Well, you know, the public is so irked by him. If he gets in again, then I have to say the elections in Israel are rigged. Yeah, I agree. But who will get in is the question. If he doesn't get in, who will it be? I don't know.

Probably some Jew. So speaking of Jews, there's... Sorry. It seems to be quite a problem with the upcoming... soccer match, the football match in Birmingham and this whole thing is a mess.

Here's the report. This is a GBN, so take it for the slant they have. Maccabee Tel Aviv fans have been banned from Aston Villa's Europa League clash in Birmingham over quote's safety fears. Many residents have raised concerns about the football match which is due to take place on the 6th of November.

Maccabee Tel Aviv. We've all seen those harrowing images from Amsterdam. I've started a petition to boycott Maccabi Tel Aviv. There is no space for violence or any thugs to come into Aston or indeed Birmingham. That is why I urge everyone to sign up to this petition. Boycott Maccabre Tel Avivir. Yes, so Jews aren't safe in Birmingham. Ashton Villa football club were due to play Maccabi Tel Aviv in the Europa League. That was local MP Ayub Khan. one of the infamous Gaza gang, and he did that ridiculous video. And then now, this has happened, hasn't it? This is a statement from West Midlands Police.

This decision is based on current intelligence and previous incidents, including violent clashes and hate crime offences that occurred during the 2024-European League match between Ajax and Maccabi Tel Aviv in Amsterdam. Okay, it's not really about safety. We all know what this is about. We all know. And today, the government released this statement. You have to step up in relation to defeating anti-Semitism.

The action is what matters. And we're absolutely committed to that. The discussion we've had this morning was not about words. It was about what are the actions that are going to follow through from this. It's amazing. The Kirstorm doesn't know whose side to be on now. You're like, well, you know, we don't want the one of our problems with the Jews, but we don't, you know, you can't really come or you can't.

And, of course, all of these cities have become completely overrun with Muslims, and the Brits are tired of it. This is Matt Goodwin. He's a conservative journalist. Again, GBN. Deer Sama says he is shocked by the events in Birmingham, where police, supported by local independent Muslim politicians, have banned Jewish football fans, fans of the Maccabi Tel Aviv team, from coming to Birmingham, our second major city. This is a national disgrace. This is absolutely appalling, but I have a question. Why is Kirstama shocked? This Muslim sectarianism is exactly what the Labour government and Kirstama have enabled for many, many years. It was the Labour Party that gave us the policy of mass uncontrolled immigration while not even bothering to integrate our communities. It was a Labour Party that recognised Palestine at exactly the wrong time. the Labour Party that allowed the pro-Hamas, pro-Palestine hate marches on the streets of our major cities with no pushback at all from the police.

It was a Labour Party that mainstreamed two-tier policies in our police forces, encouraging them to prioritize some minorities over others. And it was a Labour Party that simultaneously berated millions of people in this country for being racist, for being far right, when they highlighted to some of the problems that we can now see. very clearly in cities like Birmingham. Kirstarmer and the Labour government are now only just beginning to see the downstream effects of the policies they have been promoting for much of the last 30 years. It's a national disgrace.

Jews should be able to go wherever they want in Britain. There should be no no-go zones for Jews in this country. It's absolutely shameful. Yeah, well, it is what it is, Britain. No go zone. Yeah. No go zone for Jew. No Jews here.

Yeah. Which brings us to that hate note we got. Which one? There's a couple of them. Some good ones. Yeah, some good ones. What was the one? I mean, here's what I get.

John blocked me. So I'm going to email you, Adam, and tell you how much I hate John. I get that all the time. Yes, no, I know you block. this guy. I know you blocked him. Oh, I may have blocked him, but it's not because he's, because of anything he's well, no, it is. I block a few

people. This is, this, this, there's just nuisances. I block a nuisance. I can't, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, I'll read it to you. Well, this email was blocked as well. Looks like I've made it on the Johns block list. There should be an award for that. There should be a, John's, hey,

maybe for a donation of 500 bucks, you can be on the block list. I could use another email address, but it seems clear that John would rather not deal with constructive criticism. Hence his go-to choice of a red herring or straw man, fallacious argument in response to constructive

criticism rather than dealing slash growing slash improving regarding an issue when he's wrong. And this was the guy about the Warrant versus Weren't. That's the guy. I mean, I don't know why you blocked him because you did. I don't remember. You know, I may

have blocked him after that last one. It's the same note he sends it over and over and over and over and over and over. And I don't like getting into a dialogue with people that keep repeating themselves and they keep belaboring the point that I say, okay, fine, you're right about it dramatically, but I didn't think it was funny. This guy wrote about saying I shouldn't have said when I wrote the script for Cronkite saying if I wasn't dead, I'd like this show. and he says no it should be if I weren't dead and I said it's not going to be it's just not

funny as funny as saying wasn't and he said well that may be true but blah blah blah blah and back and forth and back and forth blocked why don't you just ignore the emails just ignore them you don't have to answer everything but when you block someone it's an aggressive move And in today's day and age, it's seen as a dick move. You know what? From now on, I'm going to, there's another mechanism that this system uses called a black hole. Put him in the black hole. And I just put him in the black hole from now.

I can already predict the emails I'm getting. Well, looks like I got put in John's black hole. So I'm going to email you about how mad I am at him. It's amazing. Although I did get a good one today. I got a fun one. There was a letter that it was better. The one that would bitch about us not liking Tucker's commentary.

Well, no. Okay, yes. But I predicted that would happen. Right. And I sent you a note back saying you were dead on on this. But that's note is worth reading if I could find it. Yeah, yeah. I can find it.

It's what happened to you guys? Yes. That's the one. Yeah. So when it always starts off, you would get these notes from people that what happened. So just to reiterate, you brought in rather oldish clips from Tucker with Sam Altman. And we were literally deconstructing the reason for this, what he was doing, what it was about. And I think our deconstruction was pretty spot on.

It's like this was, you know, this is what you do. You need inventory. You got to create stuff. You got a name. You got Altman. You talked about his language being actionable. What else was there to say? Well, apparently we did it all wrong.

I tried listening to the latest episode today, but couldn't even finish it. Not a Tucker Carlson fan in particular, barely even watch his show. But what you call media deconstruction right now is just shitting on someone's character because of emotional disdain. What's the emotional, what emotional disdain? I don't know of any emotion. disdain that we... We have emotional disdain towards Tucker? I don't think so.

There was literally nothing of substance you two had to say about that Alton interview except shitting on Tugger. Oh, he's accusing him. He just wants views. I remember you two doing the same thing when commenting on the interview he did with Ted Cruz. Zero substance.

100% disdain. It's like you two have Tucker derangement syndrome or something. This is actually... What I like about is he starts it off by using the concept that I never listen to Tucker. I'm not a big fan. Yet all he's doing is defending Tucker. It's like the letter may have come from Tucker.

But this is what's puzzling to me. Because as I said, because I said, hey, you're going to do anything about a podcast. We're going to get hate mail because it's like, shoot. inside the tent, man. And I think we literally did media deconstruction. You said, hey, it's media. And so he says, if you want to do actual media deconstruction,

how about you go over his talking points, maybe try to debunk them or see what his sources are? What is that? That sounds like journalism. We don't do that. But we literally talked about every single talking point TikTok had.

That would be actually interesting to listen to. He says, that would actually be interested to listen to, but I won't they pick. No, no. Instead, you two bicker about his ads. No, we didn't. We just say, that's what it's about. If this is the level you two have sung to,

it's no wonder he makes better quality content than you. In fact, it would be hard not to. You two are in desperate need of a reality, Chuck. I already stopped my donation some time ago exactly because of the behavior and bizarre out of touch takes like that. Please get your act together so some of us with common sense and above average emotional intelligence can actually enjoy the show again. I think you want second half for show back.

I think that's what he's saying. Yeah, more supplying saucer stuff. It would be widely appreciated because I have fond memories of what no agenda used to be. And if I didn't think you had it in you, I wouldn't be writing this message. We have gone through this so many times. Whenever we have a different take on something, which isn't the narrative of the podcast, then we get these kinds of notes.

And it's okay. And you know what? You don't have to donate. You're not, you know, it's like, it's fine. I doubt if he ever donated. But, well, I think he did. I've been around long enough to know people that say, well, I have said, you've canceled my subscription.

I've unsubscribed from your podcast. I did like this one that came in. Dear Adam, two things. One, I cannot stop singing the Secretary General song to myself. It is by far... I have the same problem. But wait. She says it is by far the most powerful jingle

ever used on the show, on the show, even more than devorec.org slash n.A. So she likes the show. I likes the jingle. by the way, the whole point of a jingle is to be an earworm so that you, it sticks in your head. And if you're singing our jingles, that's success to me. Two, I firmly believe that John and his family are hoodwinking you with this be nice to John's stuff. Either they, this is good.

Either they are creating multiple email addresses or whatever or otherwise planting seeds. I like John very much, but he's very mean to you. And she has some examples. If you come up with a joke, he jabs you and says, where did you get that from? You didn't write it. Even on the last episode, you mentioned knowing where the triangle in San Francisco is, and he said, you must have looked it up.

That's some serious. Didn't do that? Yes, you did. Well, you must have looked it up. Yes. Oh, you say that all the time. You looked it up. that's some serious treating you like a beta male.

Meanwhile, John does those long periods of silence. Instead of commenting on your clips, he just tells you to play his clips. Also, you put... Did you write, Tina wrote this? Did he say Tina, Athena Snyder? Also, you put so much work into making the show sound professional, and he talks while you play the jingles, blows his nose, turns his headphones up, which you don't wear,

which is probably him being professionally contrarian, but he's gone off the rails and it just seems mean. Yes, there have been times especially back in the weed days when you are too touchy. But overall, there's not an issue with the way you treat John. In my opinion, is an issue in the way he treats you! Well, there you go. I'm being victim blames.

I agree. I agree. She's spot on. Spot on with that. All right, people. You know what to do. Oh, man. That's great. And if anything, these notes keep it going for me.

I did get one other note about the, you know, the video versus audio. Oh, we still get, I got a, I got to, I ended up chatting with Brunetti about this. Well, I'm more interested in that. What did he say? Oh, you know, it was the same lecture that we get about, oh, you know, the reason you want to do he said and he was just coming from a meeting with some guy at a bar so i'm wondering how it would kind of he was he was he was plastered he was plastered yeah well maybe but he did say that you know you can get to you get to the audience bill it's about the audience you get the audience

because you get these mini clips and the clips get out there on the youtube's and the two guys he says i know it's he he kind of like the idea but at the same time he couldn't sell it to me. No, of course he can't because he wants people to watch his movies. He doesn't want them to be watching clips of his movies. So like, well, I saw the clips. That's what happened to South Park. Now, oh, I saw it. You didn't watch, you didn't even watch South Park when Trump was sleeping with the devil. I saw enough clips. I don't need to watch it. That's right. It's true. The clips, yeah. In fact, most of the Joe Rogan stuff is now just clips. Absolutely. Megan Kelly and Candace Owen. And they've created a

the Joe Rogan meme where Joe Rogan says, hey, go to that video. This is the best thing I've seen forever and then they say random video. Yeah. It's not even from the show. I do want to point out that if you go to binget dotio, which is powered by clip

genie, you can specifically make a clip. You can highlight the text in the transcript and make a shareable clip right on the spot. So it's not true. It's just not true. You can do this, do this. But this producer was saying, you know, you don't know about the learning

pyramid, the cone of learning. Did I see this? Was I C-Ced on this? I think I see C-C'd on it? Because I remember something about the, it was, I could not get through what he, I did, I think I said a no back, you may be, you're right if I could ever figure out what you said. Well, I think what he was saying is that the learning cone or the learning pyramid basically works like this. 80% retention practice by doing hands-on activity, 70% by discussion with others, 50% by demonstration watching someone else do it, 30% watching videos, 20% reading, and the lowest 10% is by listening. And my point was, we are actually doing something at the top of the learning pyramid.

We are teaching people to listen because there's no video. As you explained on the last show, because there's no video, you are forced to listen and you hear a lot more. We hear stuff that we didn't hear even while we were clipping it. Yeah, sometimes the third time, you have, more than once, I have clipped something. thing I go, this is good. I clip it and then I then I produce it to put it on the show. Then when I hear it on the show for the third time, maybe the fourth,

I pick up something new. Yeah. Happens all the time. Exactly. So. Yeah, you're not distracted by by Newsom wiggling his shoulders around and doing some jerk off moves or it looks like he's jacking off two horses, you know, that kind of thing. Wow.

Okay. I didn't see that one coming. Two horses. So there's been some updates on the Gen Z revolutions that I want to get into because we have a lot of Gen Ziers in the audience. We're very proud to have these. They are the good Zeds. They are the winners.

They are the future generation of winners. But I was astounded. There's a game show called The Four. floor? Are you familiar with this game show? Yeah, I'm very familiar with it, yeah. You're familiar with it? Yeah, I've seen it a couple of times. What is it on? What is, where does it air? I believe it's on, it's either on Fox. I think it's on Fox, but it could be on ABC, but I think it's Fox. Let me see. Yes, Fox. Yeah, it's on, Roblo, he hosts it. Yep, Roblo hosts it. Funny enough, it's an original Dutch game show. How about that?

No, that makes sense. Because the whole show, The premise for the show never made any sense to me. I watch it. What is the premise? It's very spectacular to watch. What is the premise of the game show? It's a trivia show, isn't it? Yeah, they ask you these questions.

Then you have to form that you have to get a line on the floor and the floor lights up. It's very, it's over, it's one of these highly produced game shows. It's an endemole show is what it is. It sounds like. Endymol. Like, the guy, John DeMoll, the guy who does all those things, big brother, all that stuff is from it. Well, whatever it is, it's visually stimulating. Okay, visually stimulating. So they have a contest, you know, as part of it. I've not watched it. I'm going to have to

watch this show now. You're not going to like it. Well, so I was sent, I was sent this clip. I could not, for the life of me, find the original. This is, you know, recorded from TV. So I fix the sound somewhat. You'll get the idea. It's not all that bad in this case. and so there's two contestants, one on the left, one on the right, and on the screen they flash up clocks. Like, you know, a church tower clock, then there's a digital clock showing 1930 instead of 7.30. And literally, the object of the game between these two human beings, adult human beings, is to tell me what time it is by reading the clock.

1010 12 o'clock wait 5 o'clock 1130 that is 255 or 155

45 5 250 150 150 9 o'clock that is that's 5

So in what world would you ever expect to live where there would be a game show where adult human beings were tested on their ability to read clock? That's unbelievable. And then they also had the 24 hour clock digital, which would confuse most people. Yes, because it said 1930. Uh, uh, uh, uh, 7.30, 7.30. Got it, 7.30. I mean, uh, huh? Huh? that is that to me that maybe I'm just an old fuddy ditty you are but that really surprised me it surprised me it's ludicrous now are you familiar with the 6-7 do what 6-7 baby 6-7 you're not

familiar with 6-7 67 67 you don't know about the 6-7 you got kids there they're not talking they don't laugh at you when you say 6 they say 7 6-7 6-7 they say 7 6-7 six seven, no? If I say six, they say seven. Six, seven. Five, six, five, six. We're back. We're back with something you're probably very familiar with, probably also very confused about if you spend any time around a teenager or even a tween as well. I'm not even going to do the hand gesture. No, there is. We're talking about six, seven, the slang that kids just cannot stop saying, but now some teachers and schools are saying they've had enough. Yeah, NBC's Savannah Sellers is here with more. Hey, Savannah. Sixth.

Six, seven. You've got the tone down and everything. Good morning. You've got to do the hand motion with it. So this first went viral last year. Here's the thing, though. It really means nothing at all. But unlike most internet trends, this one seems to be sticking around, prompting some teachers to set some new rules in the classroom. Six, seven. And so I've been, I've been waiting for a report like this because I've been seeing this go on for a while. And it was just, there never was any means. Where have you been seeing it? I have never seen this anywhere. Well, I actually look at. TikTok once in a while. Like the real TikTok, not the filtered down lib-tard nut jobs that you watch, but actually what's happening, what what's on the streets? That's an example of

being mean to me. Ladies and gentlemen, you just heard it right there. Yes. I'm sorry. I apologize. Is that okay if I apologize? No, I don't care if you apologize or not. I just want to point it out that this woman that when Tina wrote that fake

letter in. Tina's actually always on your side, to be honest about it. She's like, you know, you should be a little nicer to John. She's actually a Christian. No, because then she says, because, you know, he's old and we got to be nice to our elders. There it is again, ladies and gentlemen. You just heard it. 6-7.

I mean, kids can't get enough of and teachers can't get away from. We are not seeing the word 6-7 anymore. If you do, you have to write a 67-word essay. Some schools even banning the phrase in classrooms. You are no longer allowed to say, what number do you think I'm going to say? Caitlin Soriano is a 7th grade math teacher. How much are you hearing and seeing 6, 7 in your classroom? All day, every day.

It is non-stop throughout my class, the hallways, the cafeterias. She says she banned the term last year after it became. distracting for students. Last year, this has been going on for more than a year. It has been going on for a while. I think for it since 2024, yeah. We're leaning in. And then we hope that if it is embarrassing enough for the adults to be doing it,

that maybe they stop. The trend took off a few months ago, but has re-intensified with school back in session, thought to originate from a rap song by Skrilla. But the experts we spoke to say the numbers really don't mean anything. It's like slang to, like, like make parents be like, what does that mean? Yeah, baby.

It's just the latest example of slang through the years. Eat my shorts. From the hippie generation where things were groovy and far out to the 90s where everyone was asking. If you're wondering what the skibbity is going on and how all this brain rot is getting to us, you're not DeLulu. It's all pretty Ohio. But the kids, they just want to. us to let them cook. As for parents, they're feeling the pain too. According to a recent study, 35% say they struggle to understand their kids' slang vocabulary, and 56% say their kids feel

cringe when they try and use slang to communicate. Do you think that your mom and your dad or your teachers are getting a little annoyed of it? Yes. Yes. Is that going to stop you? No. So, and that's really the point, and there's an outro clip to this, but, so the thing with this is it's being done specifically to annoy your parents. And that's different from any other slang that I, that I can remember. I mean, we had all kinds of terms. Okay, well, the chat room is going to have to chime in on this. because I'm trying to think the point you're making here is that

is this a new phenomenon just to find a way to annoy parents. I mean, kids have always annoyed parents in all kinds of different ways by not doing stuff. You know, you didn't do this, you didn't do that, which annoys parents. But this is a disrespectful

annoyance. This is why I want to hear from the chat room. You mean the troll room, yes. Well, what do you? you want to hear? I want to hear why. Why, how has this ever happened before? Is there any other examples? No, I don't think. Just think about your own, my own youth.

I'm trying to think I can't come up with anything. That's what I'm asking the troll room to help. We never had anything that we purposely used to annoy our parents. And parents, if I see, I don't believe that's true. If you said something to annoy your parents, your mom would whip you upside the head. Shut up. That's my point. It's more the parents who should say, who shouldn't be a,

I don't understand what your cousins. It's just stop annoying me. Get out of my house. Here's $100. Run away from home. That's what I got. Here's $100. You can run away from home,

but you can't come back. Is that what happened? Yeah, my mom actually did that. I'm running away from home having a little knapsack. Okay, well, here's $100. A knapsack? I had a knapsack, yeah. I, you know, I saw, that's another drawing.

Napsack on a stick over your shoulder. You brought this up before that you ran away from home. Yeah. And then my mom gave me $100 and I walked down the street under the tree. I'm like, this sucks. I'm going back. This $100 is not going to do it for me. But you should have gone back and said I spent the 100.

So, I mean, we've had lots of terms, lots of slang. But this is, it appears specifically to mess with your teacher, mess with your parents. And I think parents, parents, they need to stop this. Like, hey, stop annoying. I didn't even know this was going on, so I have no thoughts on it. But I'll think about it. Well, here's the NBC Today Show. I guess the troll room has come up with nothing.

No, they got nothing. They got nothing. Here's the NBC Today Show with all the slang they can think of from back in the day. But it's completely irrelevant to what this trend really is, which is to annoy your parents. And I think parents should just stop, stop their children. So stop it. Maybe the kids aren't getting enough attention. Well, there you go.

And by the way, it's not 67, of course, but this is 41. Do you know what that means? What is that mean? That one I've heard it started with the Rizzler and doesn't also make sense. Maybe you know what I mean. No, but you're exactly right. It is an adjective used to describe excess. I have an idea.

What if we call six, seven, when adults kill a fun trend. We just, we just, we just six seven day. This trend. Thank you. We're just to fuck it. 86. That's 86. 86. We're 86, 6.7 is the new 86.

Dylan's been trying to bring that. Oh, God, these people are. And Calvin says he's heard kids say it in school. Okay. We're like, so Russie called me over yesterday. He's like, Mom, can I have a kiss? And I go, like, all the way over to give him a kiss. And he's like, psych.

Oh, that's good. That's a good education he's getting. Yes. So, you know, for what that's worth. Let's bring that one back. Another one you slap your kid forward. Don't do that. 73 is the new number.

Seven threes. I don't know. Something about this the way it bothers me. I don't know why. I don't have any kids. I need a grandkid to boss around. That's what I need. That would help me.

Well, I like six threes. Six threes? That's the Rubelizer donation. And we are working on a challenge coin, so just to let you know. All right. So let's look at what Gen Z is doing around the world. Let's see how things are going in Peru. This vigil in Lima in Peru is for a 32-year-old demonstrator killed on Wednesday during

anti-government Gen Z protests. People gathered at the site where he died. A police officer was detained in relation to the shooting. They are killing us during the protests. They are taking away our rights and leaving us at the mercy of extortionists. They are killing us, so we have to protest. We demand not only that these marfias stop destroying our country, but also that they stop justifying their criminal actions.

The government on Friday suspended the Lima Police Chief over the protests. Anger centers on corruption and worsening crime. Tension persists despite the removal of the deeply on popular President Dina Baloate earlier this month and her replacement with Congress Speaker Jose Heri. This is really quite a good regime change method to just get some jibes. Gen Zetter's into the discord, get them on the streets, and then have mayhem take place and blame it on Gen Z. So they already got rid of the president, and so they brought in a replacement guy. Then we have Madagascar.

The U.N. Secretary General Antonio Gutierrez has issued a strong condemnation of the recent and constitutional change of government in Madagascar. He is now calling for an immediate restoration of constitutional order and respect for the rule of law in the country. in a statement delivered by U.N. Spokesperson, Sefan, Dojariq, Uterres expresses backing of the African Union's decision to suspend Madagascar from all activities within the bloc. The Secretary General condemns the unconstitutional change of government power in Madagascar and calls for the return to constitutional order and the rule of law. I think it's amazing that some Gen Z protests are turning out this way and no one is seeing this. They're not seeing what's actually happening. this is regime change, could be us, could be the French, could be the French, could be the Nordic Nexus, I mean, it could be a question is who is it? I don't know, but it's not happening

here. No, it's happening. So that's that place to figure it us. That's a clue. And it's happening again after a brief pause in Morocco. After almost 10 days, young Moroccans resumed their protests in front of parliament on Saturday. They're demanding government reform education and health care while tackling corruption and a cost of living crisis. This protest was organized to unify our ranks and coordinate our demonstrations and sends a message to the authorities. Even though we paused for more than 10 days, we're continuing and will continue until our demands are met, not just in words, but in reality. We want to see solutions that satisfy us and make us feel that our daily sacrifices are worthwhile. It was the first demonstration.

since King Muhammad the 6th addressed Parliament 10 days ago following weeks of unrest. But he didn't mention the Gen Z movement directly and his call for job creation for young people and improving healthcare education left many of the protesters unconvinced. Whether, whether this movement will... Listen to this kid. So this is a Moroccan Gen Zetter

who sounds like he's been on American discord for several years. Whether, whether this movement will... bear its fruit, I think it's very soon to happen. There will still be, you know, political changes that will come in the upcoming days. And up until then, we cannot really predict what's going to happen because, you know, in politics, there are lots of variables that enter in the equation and a lot of things can change. Whoa. Whoa. He just went into straight-up Yang talk. Between two days, like, you know. So I think that it's too soon. to tell, to tell, but obviously

the youth are hopeful. Young people taking part in Saturday's protests say the movement has not lost momentum during the break, despite some reports to the contrary. I don't know, man, there is something afoot here with the Gen Z protests.

Yeah, it's definitely something. And it's a scheme because it's just not one place, and it's always, it's the same model and it's being dumped here and there because it's a model that works. Yes. So that means there's something behind it.

So it's either the CIA or one of our intel people agencies or military intel. Who knows? I think it could be us, but it could be the international communist conspiracy. It could be a lot of different things. We have to figure out who it is. Well, we have boots on the ground everywhere, so I'd love to see if we can get a little bit more on this. Yeah, it should be, we should be able to figure out who it is. it is.

Yeah. And why? Well, some of it's against Bricks. We know that. That's what, uh, wasn't Peru about, uh, bricks? No. Yeah, I thought, I thought Peru. Peru is an outlier, it seems to me.

Hmm. I don't see how Peru fits into it at all. Well. Although maybe look at, you want you asked the, the robot if Peru. Screw the robot. Uh, BPC, Bricks policy Center receives delegation from Peru. There's a lot of Peru in the,

and bricks in the news. How about Madagascar? Let's see. Madagascar. Because that would be us. I mean, if that would be us. Yeah, let me see. And the fact that we can do this this well is just,

it's a good sign. Yeah, let me see. Madagascar. I don't really see anything about Madagascar and bricks. Hmm. But it's all Africa, you know. So it's a, do we have interest in Africa? We're trying to take over the place.

Well, then that's us. And move the Chinese out so we can get those minerals. Well, we need rare earths. Our technology requires, because of little magnets, those little super powerful little magnets require rare earth elements. Yeah. A couple of them in particular. Yeah.

And we need them. You never needed them before, but we need them now big time. all right what else you got john i'm sure you have some interesting stuff for i got a little religious breakdown here because we like to talk about that this is part of i did one for the last show we've never played it but this is different this is about although we can also go light and talk about taylor swift oh and her marketing let's do let's do uh npr religion Let's do NPR religion first. Then we'll go light with Taylor Swift.

And Taylor Swift better be good. One or the other before the break, it seems to me. And we got plenty of time before the break. We can do both. Okay, let's go sociology of religion. This is a sociologist, and I thought this was interesting because of the rationale for what's going on. He thinks that religion is, this is different than the last report, which we never played. This guy says religion is becoming.

Obsolete. Oh, okay. University of Notre Dame Sociology, Professor Christian Smith, has spent his career studying religion in the U.S. He has a new book titled Why Religion Went Obsolete, the Demise of Traditional Faith in America. Smith says that word, obsolete, doesn't necessarily mean religion is useless or lost. It's more about how religion is viewed across generations. By obsolete, I mean to focus more on a cultural realm, the cultural status. of religion, not just, you know, how many people go to church or pray, but sort of traditional religion's role in the larger culture. And so the idea is just what we mean by obsolete. You

know, traditional religion has just for most people been replaced or supplanted by other things that have come along. So the image I use in the book is what PCs and laptops did to electric typewriters. People can still use obsolete things. I have college students that use electric typewriters and I have CDs and it's not that it's extinct. And it's not that the obsolete thing is worse than what replaced it. A lot of times the obsolete thing is better. But just it's not as much you've referred to or practiced or easy to pull off than the thing that people are most into at any given time. Oh, interesting. Well, I take a little bit of I think there's a lot of, when you say religion, I mean, that to me doesn't mean Christianity.

That can be Islam. That can be Buddhism. That can be all kinds of religion. And I would say he's, he would agree with that. Okay. So, and I would agree. And then when he talks about Christianity, he's really more or less referring to the established sects, the churches, the Methodist versus the Presbyterians versus Well, again, that to me is... Yeah, but that's what he's all in on everything you say there. Okay. But what my point was going to be that we... Religion has only gotten more intense with climatism, scientism.

Yeah, well, he's got that covered too. Okay. So let's get to the crux of the matter. Why are people turning away from traditional religion? What did you find? Yeah, so my argument is that the causes of this are not recent, that they're complex, there are many. I use the image of a converging of perfect storms.

There's a lot of technological factors, economic factors, and so, you know, religion has a smaller pool of a market, so to speak, to draw people from. So it's not a matter of, for the most part, sort of an atheist, scientific, rationalist rejection of religion. It's just a sort of a, nah, doesn't fit, doesn't work, I don't need it. Well, you say that 1991 was a crucial turning point. Why is that year so crucial?

For starters, that was the year when the number of Americans in national surveys who said they were not religious started to rise. Prior to then, every survey, about six or seven percent of Americans said they were not religious. In 1991 was the first uptick, and it's been growing ever since for three decades. The end of the Cold War happened in 1991. And that was really consequential for America's self-image in the world, its mission and place in the world. its mission and place in the world. We used to be during the Cold War, even if people weren't religious.

As a nation, we conceived of ourselves as the god-fearing, religious liberty nation fighting against the atheist commonness. And after the end of the Cold War, it wasn't clear, like that evaporated, and it wasn't clear who we were, what our place in the world was, and economy was changing,

and so the American dream was starting to become less and less available. Hmm. Okay, well, that's just some stats. Okay, that's probably true. Well, then he comes up with a laundry list of changes that have taken place. And I'm just kind of an ask Adam here. What's the one he leaves out? You'll see if you can spot it.

But when he talks about the 90s, starting in 91, we started to enter the Clinton era 92. And it got full blown. This was the most prosperous period of time I've ever experienced in my life. In fact, didn't the religion in those early 90s? wasn't that greed is good, wasn't that Wall Street? Wasn't that, wasn't that the religion? Well, I don't know if that was, if that was the religion per se, but I do know that there was a lot of money flying and the American Dream was doing quite well for itself. Yeah. So I think he's wrong about that. But then he goes through this laundry list of the changes.

And I, there are these moments in time. 91, it's a good time to put it. You could say 92, 90, anything. that period of time it was a massive big changes took place but then he goes through the little laundry list here and then he leaves one out there was a growing sort of dissatisfaction with the standard american way of life and declining trust in political leaders lots of other cultural things happened in 1991 james hunter published this book culture wars putting a name on the polarization that's happened ever since uh music changed the era of 1980s big hair bands was liquidated by grunge and other movements. It's not that everything changed in 1991, but that that was a pivot year. And over the next two decades, all of

these profound changes in culture sort of worked their way out. You mean Monica Lewinsky, Bill Clinton? What did he leave out of that list? It's a little list but it's not long, but he never in his whole presentation, that's the last

clip I have. He goes on about some other stuff That's quite interesting. It's a very good piece. The Internet. Oh, of course. He never mentions the Internet. 91 isn't when the browser came up, but 91, we were talking about the Internet a lot because there was when Gofer and your buddy, Gofer and all these other things were out there

and people were talking about the Internet. And we all had Internet email addresses. You got them one way or another. Yeah. And the Internet is what really happened in 1991. and it just exploded with the web, which was the, you know, there was that period between 91 and 93 where people kept, if you remember, and you do, that period of time where people said,

oh, oh, that web is not the internet. That's the web. The web is, the internet is this and the web is that. They had to differentiate between the internet and the web. Yeah. And everybody made a big fuss about that differentiation. Yeah. And that differentiation disappeared.

completely. We don't, no one has used that, that, that, that comment. Oh, but in fact, no one even unknows what the web is anymore. It's like, just open your browser. What? Yeah, it's, it's a safari. Oh, okay. Now I have duck, duck go. So I would say that the internet became the religion. He never gets into, never mentions that once and he goes on and on and he talks about this third thing that took place, which is spiritualism, which is kind of not religion, but it's like everyone still has to be, have a spiritual angle and it brings in all kinds of problems. I've actually seen, that's a good point.

I've actually seen surveys that show that more and more Americans are saying they are, quote, spiritual. And I certainly think that the American church is definitely breaking apart. We're seeing huge splits in churches, certainly with the, traditional, you know, like Methodist, Protestant. Well, he goes on, I put a clip to 10 clips from this. I'm sure you could have, yeah. He goes on about exactly what you say and says that the problem with these churches

is that they have not fundamentally, that's why I think it's interesting that your church has a number of little factoids that it pulls off that I think, I think, which will be, create a revivalism, I think, which is the socialization. thing. Yes. Which is a lot of churches become social. And I came up with this thinking about this because I did a hit on Chanel show on Friday. Oh, I missed it. A hit, a Chanel hit.

And she was, this discussion was about this country and western guy who's a left winger. And how about country and western is, you know, they're trying to move in on it. But she said, she made the comment that there was a large, the country and Western music is the largest. genre that is growing the fastest and asked me if I had any idea of why this might be. And I said, maybe it's because country and Western at least has to do with relationships and, you know, boys and girls. And the idea that you can, you know, there's love songs within country and Western genre as opposed to shooting somebody or bitching about immigration status in a song. And so you end up with this kind of, the need for

socialization. And I think the churches that do well are the ones that are pushing that part of it, they have their message, but they could, but the, but the idea that kids in particular, young ones, the Zeds, they, you know, they haven't been, they don't have, there's a big story that was going around all this last week on the mainstream media by one of the high schools that cancel all their dances. It's insane. Because nobody was going to go to the dances. Yeah. And it's like, that brings back my old point about the soccer. cop. And so I think churches have their opportunity to help kids socialize because it's a place where you can. Yes. And and I will say that more, so yes, non-denominational churches,

I think, are doing quite well. And they're growing. And they also have very young pastors. You know, when I say young, I mean 40s. And this is a very different breed, a very different genre. And the music is actually much closer to country in Western. It's all Nashville. All of the Christian contemporary music comes out of Nashville now. And they're, you know, they're, they're, they're, Anne Wilson, traditional country artists, boom, moves right over to Christian contemporary. Jelly Roll.

You know, this, this guy is the furthest thing from Christian contemporary music. Has the number one hit with Brandon Lake. Never heard of any of these. No, I know you haven't. But in the legendary words of Lonnie Frisbee, a whole generation out there just looking for God, man. I think they're looking to meet

a girl. And that too. I mean, we have the Catalyst group on Wednesday nights, and actually I go in Wednesday to help these, there's two kids, they're 14 and 16, and they're doing a podcast. So I set them up and the church is actually building podcast studios and everything.

That's why you don't do the newsletter on Wednesdays. Sometimes, yeah, sometimes. No, during the day. I don't know. I might have been doing No, I was in Austin last Wednesday. And I did it on Wednesday. What were you talking about? I did it in the car. I pulled over to check the newsletter.

Yeah, I did. I pulled over to, this is my dedication to the show. But they have Wednesday nights. And the kids are playing music. They got a band. You know, and they are socializing. So yeah, yeah. And I think that is on the upswing.

You used to socialize when I was a kid. Oh, here we go. Everything was socializing. I mean, they had parties on the weekends. We had community centers. We had schools that taught you how to do dances, whether you liked it or not. They had sot hops and dances and proms and one thing. There was a socialization thing.

It was extremely important. It's been lost to gender studies. Yeah. Well, it's coming back. And all these churches. No, it's not. Yes, it is. All these.

Not in the schools. No, not in the schools. But you know what? And you know how many churches are now starting schools? It's an enormous amount. they're, they're bringing, they're starting schools as affiliated with the church, starting in the church. Then they, many of them have now have buildings with hundreds of students. You know, and it's an outgrowth of the homeschool movement.

Yeah, no, there's, but all of these, all of these non-denominational churches, they're all pushing culture. You know, and actually, funny enough, the seven mountain mandate is, is how you could look at it, which, you know, I don't think anyone's really part of the new apostolic reformation, the way NPR might categorize it. But they are saying, you know, hey, you know, look, this is our country. And if we don't have God in our country, then our country's going to fall apart. And that's not a new message. That's an old, very, very old message, about 250 years old.

Let's go to Taylor Swift. Speaking of the devil, let's bring in Beelzebub herself. Now, I didn't know this was going on, and I didn't realize it's been going on for a while. The third, you didn't realize that her last album, the showgirls album, she has 39 versions of it. No, I'm sorry. I totally, look, I'm giving you license here because 15 years, no, maybe it wasn't 15. I don't know how, 10 years ago, you identified Taylor Swift out of the gate. No, it was longer than that.

Was it 15, 16 years ago? You identified her right out of the gate with her noodling and you're like, there's something up with this girl. And I remember it's so long ago, Andrew Grummet was still hanging around, although Andrew Grummet is part of podcasting 2.0 now. And his daughter was all into Taylor Swift. And you, so I give you license on the Taylor Swift beat. But no, John, I did not know she has 39 versions of the album.

This is on this presentation, which was on NPR, is one of the, kind of lunatic presentations where they bring in these goofballs and they're yucking it up constantly. But they do bring out some marketing. Taylor Swift to me is a marketing genius and that's where she really stands in the world. Somebody is. She or somebody? I think it's her. I was, you know, I thought it was her dad. I think her dad taught her well. I think she's the one that's doing it all. But here she goes. As of this recording, there are 38 variants of Taylor's this new album, the life of a show girl, but are all these variants fan service or fan exploitation? We're getting into it with Stephen Thompson, host for NPR Music at Pop Culture Happy Hour,

and Ann Powers, NPR music critic and correspondent. And Stephen, welcome to the show. Thank you so much for having us because you know it's... I'm sorry, what is this show? Is this on the radio? Is this only a podcast? What is it? Was this on the radio? Yeah. It's Taylor season. I feel like every season is Taylor season. When you are the main character in our lives, every season belongs to you.

Taylor is the climate crisis of popular music. She's also the actual climate crisis with how much she uses that private jet. Gloves are off already. I love it. My gloves are always off when it comes to Taylor's ones. All right. But Stephen Ann, can you name any of the different variants? So there's one that's like, that's showbiz, baby edition.

Very close. You're thinking of the baby that's showbiz. business vinyl collection. And I'll give you some of the other names. There was the deluxe so punk on the internet digital version, the sweat and vanilla perfume, portafino, orange glitter, all one title, vinyl version. And also the Alone in My Tower acoustic CD version. That's just a few. Like I said, there's 38, right? 27 physical, 11 digital. Right. Now, there's a couple ways to look at this. You could call all of these collections. Variantable variance, as some have said, exploitative, or manipulative.

Maybe for Rabbit fans, you know, they can't not buy all this. On the other hand, you could call this fan service because Taylor Swift is not forcing anyone to buy her music. Her fans of their own volition are the ones putting in their credit card information. Plus, you know, a lot of fans are collectors and like having special violet sparkle or blue shimmer vinyl. You know, buying a vinyl also could be a good investment. Can we go back to the church talk? No. This better get good.

This is good. You're listening to a marketing genius at work and what they're doing. And the thing about these, she has an audience that is buying 38 copies of the exact same product. Mm-hmm. And they're not buying one or two. They're buying all of them. And it's just different packaging. It's the same songs, but different packaging?

different colored vinyl. There's different names on each album. Packaging. Yeah. Different packaging. Yeah. You think, you know, I know what you were thinking, which is like, well, maybe some bonus clips on there.

Or maybe there's a different version of the song. Some analysis clips. Some outtakes or, you know, studio, studio floor stuff. No, none of that. No. No, it's just different packaging. And each one being a quote unquote collectible. And, of course, it turns out that they are because of the, you know, it's like anything

else that's a collectible. Is there a market for it? Are they, is it getting bid up? Well, let's listen to part clip two here. One of our producers has a rare Swift vinyl that is currently selling for upwards of $1,000 online. Wow. Right. So before the Swifty's come from me, I know that Taylor Swift is not the only one releasing all these album variants. I mean, for example, Travis Scott and Fall Out Boy, they each released 31 physical variants of their 2023 albums. But I will say, Taylor Swift gets the most attention for this business tactic. Why do you think she's the one who's seen as preying on her fans? Well, I think part of it is that is the downside of being the biggest, right? And being the

main character in our lives makes her a very rich and juicy target. So it's easy to kind of single her out as an emblem of the problem. But Brittany, like you said, there are many, many, many, many stars in pop, hip-hop, R&K pop, my God, where this is just standard operating procedure. Yeah, I have to add, let's think about Taylor Swift, not as our bestie right now, but as a product. And I want us to think beyond music because other products are sold in exactly the same way. And I'm specifically thinking about my daughter's favorite soda, Mountain Dew. My daughter loves Mountain Dew, and she has to have every new flavor. and she knows, which I didn't know,

that there are certain flavors that are only sold through Taco Bell or only sold at Walmart. And there's infinite varieties of basically sugar water, right? So this is marketing beyond pop music. But because Taylor is also an artist and has been so insistent on being an artist, to view her as a product feels somehow offensive bringing up the other side of this issue,

which is, is the music worth this fetishization? And there's been a lot of debate. And I would say, even though I still think this album is more enjoyable and think it will last longer than some people do. But the commentary I've seen, it's really like, well, there's 38 variations. And also the music is terrible. Well, so this is not entirely new. We've had picture discs. We've had all kinds of marketing, packaging differences.

many artists throughout the ages. It really is also the only way you can make money. I mean, yeah, she gets a lot of the Spotify money just by default. But really, you want people buying packages. You want them buying product. And is that any different from Beanie Babies or Cabbage Patch dolls or anything like that? Of course not. No.

But there's a little gotcha in here in the last clip, which is the little interesting thing about this. If you're like, she brings out 38 copies of the same album and you're a collector, you're a nutball. I don't know anyone like that. I don't, I would be shocked if you did. I know, but there are people that are out there, the Swifties, uh, um, Komi, for example, uh, Justin Trudeau. He went to her concert. Yeah. And. Well, that's, that's just because They like young girls. Say you buy 10 or 20 of these things. Billboard says that's 20 sales.

It helps you get to number one. It's bull crap. Yeah. Does that really matter anymore that you're number one on a chart? It does in the industry. It doesn't to us. I don't think it makes a difference to any. I don't think the kids care anymore.

The kids. I don't think the kids ever cared. When I was a kid, I never. I'm 16. I bought some 45s during the day. I didn't care what Billboard had to say. No, the way the industry used to work with radio, when radio was the predominant distribution mechanism,

instead of Spotify or Apple Music or Amazon or whatever you're using, it was important because the higher up you are on the chart, the more you got into rotation on the radio stations. That's all that it was about. I don't think any kid really cared that it was number one. It was all about radio rotation. That's an industry I happen to know about. yes well there's still they still billboard has not gone out of business barely they're

been hanging on by their fingernails yeah as opposed to why are they in business it's a question since you know that much about it what what's keeping them alive and why well i don't know i don't know if they're alive well during this clip i'll look it up and i'll tell you if they really are in existence as opposed to i guess if there had been 38 versions of folklore right oh yeah you know And then all the critics would be like, oh, yes, oh, please, give us the, you know, flower press version that has the dried unicorn blood. I will pay for that because the music is so exquisite. Also, there were variants on folklore, but only 20 variants as far as I can tell. Now, let's not forget that Taylor, you know, has been a best-selling artist for nearly two decades. And her efforts to sell physical albums go way back to like the beginning of her career.

There was, for example, her partnership with Papa Johns for her 2012. album red. Where, I mean, this is a good deal, mind you. For $22, you could buy a pizza and Taylor's new album and have them delivered to you. Just a side note, just a side note. Those Papa John's boxes were printed with Taylor's album cover on them. And you can buy one of those cardboard pizza boxes for $513 on eBay right now. Oh my gosh. So I wonder, what's different now? Like, why? is this grinding everybody's gears? I think it's just proxy rage. Say more, please. People are very mad in general right now about everything. And Taylor Swift is, she enters into this conversation with an album full of songs that are flaunting her material success, her partnership with an equally

wealthy. Not equally wealthy, but... Okay, not equally. Fair. Okay. They both clear a certain bar with mega wealth, yeah. With a wealthy guy. I will say she is also a billionaire. So here comes a billionaire in a feather boa. It just drives everybody crazy.

I'd forgotten about this. Penske bought it. Five years ago. Penske Media. It's like a vanity ownership. Oh, I got Billboard not going to hang out with Taylor Swift is it's not a very valuable property but the I think what's more interesting with Taylor Swift is that yeah you need to have you need to be a real person uh my buddy Vic was uh with his wife Chris

they stayed over the weekend they're from Dallas and he used to be in the music business you know wrote and produced with all the Jersey Shore guys and all the hair bands Alice Cooper and he's and he's now doing just for fun he's doing music on uh sumo and he says you know everything has changed now everybody can everybody can make any kind of song and he gave me he created his own taylor swift you know with uh it was a great title you're my next last boyfriend you know i wish he had left it was fantastic uh he created the the look everything he The only thing that's missing is an actual, I forget what Namie chose for her, but the actual physical person.

And I think we're not going to, we're not far away from going back to kind of the days of the early 80s, Millie Vanilli, where you just have a song. As long as you can attach a human being to it, you can have a Taylor Swift type experience of fame and kids going nuts for him. And I have to say, for all the things I don't like about AI, I think we should just go full bore. Just flood the Oh, brother. Yeah, flood the. I want as much AI end of show

mixes. I want our musical. I mean, come on. I'm actually We already got the art. Yeah, well, yeah, but I want people. And I got the end of show, uh, the end of show blurbs. Blurbs. Or half of those are AI. Oh yeah. Well, but those are just annoying. But I'm

talking about like I want the real. Right. Because I'm doing it. You heard that. Yeah. I'm mean. I'm mean. No, I want some songs. I want some real songs. Let's do it. And you know what the great thing is about these songs? None of them are...

You disparaged Nico Syme, who is our great songwriter, that was doing this. He stopped. No, I did. I played him. What are you talking about? I didn't disparage him at all. I played them because he's actually good. He is good.

Yeah. So, but I want more of them. The best thing about all these songs is that you can play them on a podcast because they're not registered with ASCAP BMI. There's no physical licensing required. Oh, that's an interesting point. I could do a music show with all AI music and it would probably be pretty good. But no one's registered. No one's, no one even, no one even knows what to do. We need an ASCAP for AI AI ASCAP. No, we don't. A SCAP. Let's do AI SCAP. AISCAP. No, not at all. This is the great thing.

That's an exit strategy. Are you kidding me? Oh, please. Exit strategy. No. I want all kinds of great songs, but they have to be short. Make them a minute, a minute and a half. That shows the true professional prompter.

Yeah, if you can keep them short, that's the problem. And then I can publish them. Like the AI says, oh, a song short will be 2.2 minutes and they make them 2.2 minutes. There are people who know how to do it. They know how to do this stuff now. They're figuring out. it out. It's, and it's, I'm okay with it. And then maybe, you know, we, here's the exit strategy. We pick one of these songs that's really good, you know, like a Nico Syme toe tapper. And then

we find some teenage girl to lip sync and then we create a star out of her. We could be the new hitmakers. Because that's all you need to do. You just need to attach a human being to it. And then boom, you fill up the stadium. It's just that easy. It's that easy. And with that, I want to thank you for your courage. In the morning to you, the man who put three Cs in the church sock hop. Say hello to my friend on the other end.

The one, the only, Mr. John C. In the morning, Mr. Adam C., in the morning, Mr. Adam C., in the morning, ships the seat, boots on the ground, feet, and the air, steps on the water, all the dames and nights out there. Yeah, in the morning to the trolls in the troll room. Here we go. Let's find the trolls. 1865 at the peak okay 1865 these trolls are in the troll room you can find them at no agenda stream

dot com or you can listen to them on uh you can join them i should say listening live in a modern podcast i've got an email this morning uh from someone who said hey man apple and spotify aren't uploading your podcast anymore i send it on to you yes i'm like they send it to me i don't know why people send me this stuff is not my job well uh so first of all we are not on spotify we never have been no because we we will not so why would you think we why does anyone think we were well that's why it's kind of problematic and then you know i go look at apple podcasts and yeah we're there our latest episode is there but i think the problem is that people are still in these legacy apps and then you know they see it show up on no agenda show and like hey you do you forgot to upload it to

podcast, which is not how it works. Okay, I don't expect you to understand how it works. But that's just the legacy apps. That's the legacy system. You want to get out of that. You want to get a modern podcast app. And even Pocketcasts, I think they, I believe,

I don't know if they use PodPing. Because someone says, hey, man, it's two hours late on PocketCast. Well, that's because PocketCasts may not use PodPing. You can go to PodcastApps.com. You can see exactly who uses PodPing, and that's the one you want to use. What was that URL again? Podcast Apps.com, plural, podcastaps.com. That's what you want to do.

So we've been talking about AI, of course, even though it's not a huge lift anymore, it still does take actual creativity and humor to be able to create something that is worthy of becoming the show, for the No Agenda podcast, and I'd say 90% aren't able to do it, which it's okay because it just it clutters everything up and it's hard to, you know, you just have to look through more submissions, which I quite enjoy because we go, oh man, I can get something to complain about. But if you have it in you, if you have the humor and it's all human element and you can translate that through your prompt, you can create some.

that will be quite good. And I'm just, I'm pulling back from the generative AI. I'm okay with it. Flood the zone. I hope it stays alive. I hope it stays cheap. I don't know if it will. I don't know how any of it's possible for these prices. But okay. Yeah, you backed off from his position. Did you notice that, ladies and gentlemen? No, I still think it's going to kill our young people with their chatbots. And I don't think it's proven any worthiness in the, in industry or in business, except for, call centers. It's harmful, is the word you're looking for.

Otherwise, it's harmful and it's costing way too much money, but it's okay. We've been through these things before. What was it before? This machine learning. Then it was cloud and then it was Internet of Things. It's just another passing. And we'll have quantum coming up soon. So just another thing.

Client server. Client server. So congratulations, the comic strip blogger. He prompted it properly and brought us no agenda. the musical is the artwork. A lot of people did no agenda of the musical. Somehow, he just got the right element of hokey looking dorks. He had the absolutely had the right no agenda in lights, no agenda of the musical. It was perfect. Yeah, he took about 10 stabs at it. Oh, he did? Oh, yeah, he did. He had a whole bunch of different ones. He did. Yeah, he was going to, he was going for,

he was swinging for the fences. He was. He was. And, uh, So he ended up, you know, hitting a homer. It's what happens if he keeps waiting for the fences. The earlier version of the particular one that he picked is way down at the bottom. There's a version called Just Musical. I think this is his first attempt and it's terrible. Let me see. Just Musical.

I'm looking for it now. I don't see it. It's next to Trump piece and. We also had a lot of people doing 78s, which was, I mean, I think a lot of. It's eight rows down if you're four across. No, I am four across. Let me see. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight.

Oh, yeah. Oh, no, no, no. Well, you're right. So he kept stabbing at it, and he came up with one that worked. And we liked it. Let's see. What else? Did we consider anything else?

Kind of thought Nancy Pelosi strung out as a drunk was funny. But we're never going to use it. That's right. One dimension that. We're never going to use that. But we'll never use that. We won't use that. No, of course not.

But that was a funny piece. It looked great. I mean, that's good prompting. We had several Noah Jenner the musicals. No, nothing there. Jeffrey Ria. A lot of people tried the protein powder. I think we did waver a little bit on Nessworks protein chips, or at least I did.

Yeah, you liked it. I was a... Well, I really saw the... comic strip blogger piece early and I liked it a lot. It was a good piece. Yeah. It was a good piece. And Scaramanga keeps threatening as he's going to do some video. I haven't seen it yet, but I'm all in. And where's our, where's our Sora 2 musical stuff? I mean, people should be all over this. Now that I'm opened up, I'm ready, I'm going to promote this. I want tons of songs. We're going to publish the songs. We'll become a publisher of AI songs. Because normally we don't

do that. We don't put the songs in the show. notes because that is actually an issue, well, particularly if it's a, if you're using copyrighted work, we can play spoofs and copy, you know, of copyrighted work and parodies is the, is the actual term. Within context of the show, that would be, I can defend that under fair use. If you start publishing that separately, that's a huge problem. So that's why people always ask, why don't you publish the end of show mix? Well, for that reason. Now, if you. if you're sending me AI stuff, we're going to start highlighting you.

We're going to put you front and center in the show notes. We're going to, we're going to, it'll be no agenda records. No agenda music publishing. NER. How about. NAPE, take a nap. No agenda music publishing. NAMP.

NAMP. So catchy. So, uh, we will, we will promote you. We will promote you. And then, you know, maybe we'll find, uh, someone, one of our producers as a kid. teach the kid how to lip sync, we'll make your kid a star. It's going to be fabulous.

So thank you, comics, your blogger. And congratulations. You hadn't had a win for a while. And he's been prompting for many, many, many episodes. And he finally made it. Of course, we've been running Value for Value. It'll be 18 years coming up in a week. Next Sunday, 18 years of your No Agenda show.

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for this episode, The No Agenda Show. And we kick it off with Dame Sandcat. She's from parole. Hold on a second. What? So I'm thinking about the Zed thing you mentioned. Is it possible that the Moroccan thing was the first, right? I believe so, yeah. And that we can't associate that with bricks. Is it possible that the Moroccan thing was actually organic? And they said, look at what's happening here. We can use that as the model. I don't know because they stopped for 10 days and they started up again.

I don't know. Maybe the first round was organic and they started it up again to see if they could, if they, if they could start it up again just to prove that the model works. Well, you can know one thing. Your no agenda show is on top of it. We are watching Africa. Because no one else will.

We're watching Africa. Dame Sandcat from Parump. Nevada. Perump. Parump. 51538, which I'm sure is $500 with $15.38. By the way, did you see, I thought this was a scandal. Did you see what GoFundMe did that they've now been admitted to have done?

No. They started over a million GoFundMe pages for nonprofits who didn't sign up. The nonprofits, they just got all the information from. IRS from the PayPal giving databases. So if you have a nonprofit, there's a high likelihood that GoFundMe has a GoFundMe page for you. Now, I think they do actually send the money to you, but you know, when you go on GoFundMe. You don't know that. Well, I've heard no one saying that they haven't received the money from GoFundMe.

The exception people take to it is these guys, they suggest a tip for GoFundMe of 16. 15%. Wow. And it's like one of those pre-checked jobs like, hey, you know, just go ahead and help us out. And so we can continue to grow. Yeah. I think this is a huge violation somehow. You can't just do that.

But they did it? Yeah. No. So. Opt-in? As long as it's opt-in. What do you mean opt-in? They just opted everybody in.

I thought you said there's a thing you had to check. No, but forget if there's a check. or not. They just decided to go fund-rays. No, I'm not talking about to opt-in for the donation recipient. I'm talking about the opt-in for the 16%. Well, let me take a look. Let me see. Let me

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I'm not really going to do it. Oh, right off the bat. Add $30 to be in the top 5% of donors. Wow. Yeah, there it is. Custom tip 16.5 pre-selected. It's pre-selected. Yeah, so you have to move the slider back to zero.

And the minute you do that, able to add a tip, tips keep GoFundee running so people like Rubin can get the help they need. That slider is pre-selected at 16.5%. So if you're not looking at it, and you just hit your PayPal, boom, you've already paid them. So it's opt out. Scandalous. That's not good. No, it's scandalous.

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You get it and it encourages people to write checks and send, we don't encourage cash because, you know, you don't trust the mail that much, even though it seems to work fine. But it's nice to write. your signature down and write the amount. It gives you something to do. So Dame Sandcat says, this is Dame Sandcat, to be recognized as Secretary General of Southern Nye County, land of hookers and blow. And indeed, is that right? That's the land of hookers and blow. That's the land of hookers and blow. And this is the last opportunity. These will be our last secretaries general, I believe. Is the promotion over now? The promotion will be over,

After midnight tonight. After midnight tonight. Get your order up. And she says, Rev. Ow, please. R-E-S-P-I-C-T. It was funny. One of our producers went to the,

he sent me like 50 pictures from the No Kings protest that he went to. And he sent a picture because he had a sign. And he had a, because everyone had handmade signs. he had a sign that said resist we much and we must much much about that be committed

walking around with it that's a great deal thank you very much dame sandcat sir henry in austin texas right where you used to live 500 bucks itm with this donation i would like to be itm with this donation that's funny it actually says itm period with this donation i would like to the Secretary General of Shangri-La. Nice. Congratulations. Shang-R-La. That's good.

Sir Henry, Baron of Flowerland. Flower Field. Oh, Flower Field. I don't know how you got Flower Land out. Well, because there's a place down the street from me called Flowerland. And it just sticks in my, when I see that flower part, I see land automatically appears in my brain. We shall make it so later on. And Sir Dan the Man checks in.

I haven't heard from him in a while. with $500. He says, congratulations on 18 years. I would like to be named Secretary General of the Sunshine State. Thank you for your courage, Sir Dan the Man, Earl of Southwest Florida. You got it.

Wow. North, oh, here's our North Idaho Sanity Brigade. Post Falls, Idaho 333.3. In behalf of the North Idaho Sanity Brigade, here is a crowdfunded magic number donation, courtesy of many of their attendees. uh, piling various amounts of cash into the center of the table. Nice. Nice. Thank you. I'm all in. Yeah. Uh, we have released the debut episode of our new hybrid hyper local

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podcasts. I happen to have the software for it. So, and what you missed out on, Sir Scott the Jew and the North Idaho Sandy Brigade is you didn't tell me where to find the podcast. Is it just no ID? Can I just find that in every podcast app? Is it on the, is on the index? Let me know. I would be more than happy to create the no agenda podcast network. I think it's a grand idea. Very good. And Sir Commodore J. Stroke from Norton, Ohio comes in with an associate executive producer's credit for his $2.34.16. ITM came across Citizen. HCTPS CitizenPortle.A.I.

It's a service in which you get AI generated summaries of local government meetings. Not sure if you've heard of it. Oh, that's actually interesting. Is it free? How do they do this stuff for free? Yeah, I got to wonder. Adam, your recommendation on, here we go again, on hyperlocal podcasts made me seek out ways to be more informed locally, even if not doing a podcast, which is how I found it. Seems like the best use of AI that I've seen.

It helps keep me, just an average husband, father, and night stay in the know on local government. I've been using it to follow a proposed data center development in my town. Check it out. If you're interested, I know you guys are swamped with no agenda and doing your roundest podcast guests. Yeah. Boy, we're so busy with the podcast guest. but I felt obliged to share. I can hear John commenting,

I wish you were obliged to send donations. So I did. Please accept my PayPal donation of $2.3416 for the show plus fees. Do you think the constant berating of donors is directed incorrectly? Shouldn't you berate the listeners who aren't donors? Maybe it's just semantics, but words are weapon these days. Thank you for you. This is a very good point.

And someone else made that point to me. Someone said, hey man like I donate but I think we should say specifically that it's the people who listen but aren't donating who we are berating I don't think we're berating our our existing donors do you I don't think that's ever been berate everybody evenly I don't see a problem when you have 800,000 people listening and only 50 donate we're not berating any of the dukes that I know of no we don't berate people are we berating any of the donors today?

I don't think so. If I get any emails about you, I would say 85% about your bitching and moaning and complaining about donations. What people don't understand is if you don't do that, guess what happens?

Nothing. We get no donations. That's exactly right. You got a bitch and moan. Bitching and moaning is part of the process. Come on. This is the reason that we get donations at all. It's part of the...

Well, what are you going to come out and say, Hey, oh, we got a lot of donors. Oh, that's great. You guys, this is fabulous. We're getting these donations. And don't worry about it. Maybe some yak karma could do some good, says Sir Commodore J. Stroke. Well, we agree.

Thank you very much. You've got. Karma. Bitching and moaning works. It's part of the process. It is. Welcome to Podcasting 101 with Adam C. Curry and John C. DeVorek.

Today we talk about donations. John, what is the crux of the donation value for value model? Complaining a lot. Boom. We don't get enough money. There it is. There it is.

And you know what? A lot of people have a problem. I think people are embarrassed because they know they could never do it. They could never do it. Oh, you mean they can't bitch and moan? No. They can't bitch and moan. about donations. Well, this is the problem. We would notice this, by the way, for you out there

I think you're going to be able to pull off value for value. You do have to have some sincerity. Do you want the money or not? Yes. It's called asking for the money. Yes. It's also biblical, if you think about it. The asking ye shall receive. If you don't ask, you don't get it. Whoa, you just threw some biblical scripture out. Beautiful. Oh, yeah, that's scripture. It is. So the point is, is that you have to be sincere about. But look, we need the, look, the show doesn't pay for itself. We have bills. We do the show.

This is our full-time job, basically, and we need some help here. And that's all we're doing. It's not like we'll be raiding any one person. You, Jim out there, you didn't give us any money. Although there is a gym that's never given us money, I will be reading. You know what I think a lot of people, certainly for me, a lot of people think, you're rich, Curry. You are on television.

You Devorak, you sold millions of books. See, I think they think that we're loaded and we're just doing this as a hobby. For fun. No, it's cash flow. Yeah, cash flow. We're not loaded. Either one of us. We live on cash flow, basically.

We do. We live by the ebb and flow of your cash. If we were rich, we wouldn't have this. Our attitude is not that of a rich person, either one of us. No, I don't think so. I don't think that, no. You know who's rich? Dana Brunetti.

And what does he donate? Nothing. Dana Brunetti is rich. Yeah. And he has a big giant ranch. Yeah. And when's the last time he donated? Well, he relies on other people to donate in his name at levels that he doesn't appreciate. Let's move on, shall we?

Onward. Oh, I'm sorry. You got that one. Stephen Trockles is here. Or possibly Stefan. I think it's Stefan. It might be. Stefan Trackels from parts unknown.

Double up karma for my nephew named... What does that say? Bali, Bali. Bali? Yes. Who recently completed his first trip around the sun, having accumulated so many miles in an airplane, he might as well be Generation Delta Airlines. Delta Airlines did it?

Yeah, I get it. Sorry. Sorry. Let me deduished the kid. You've been deduced. Accidental d-duching. There we go. And by the way, he came up with 222.

210-19. Eli the coffee guy always adds the date. 10-19 today, 200 plus 10-19. He says, lots of goings on around the globe. Good thing we have AstroTurf protests and John Bolton's mustache for the media here to talk about. Gentlemen, thank you for the excellent media deconstruction. Keep up the great work. and I'm happy to keep you caffeinated.

Actually, we're happy to keep everyone in Gitmo Nation caffeinated. Just visit gigawatt coffee roasters.com and use code ITM20 for 20% off your order. Stay caffeinated, says Eli, the coffee guy, and I will say our guests loved the gigawatt. They will be purchasing their own. I was selling for them this morning. Check this out. Check this coffee. You think you got good coffee?

You don't have the official gigawat coffee roasters coffee. By the way, his Ethiopian Gucci, organic, whatever it is that he promoted a couple of shows ago. Yeah. I finally opened the bag and put it in the machine. It's outstanding. Yeah. He makes a good product. He and Jen together.

I would like to see a picture of his roaster with him standing next to it. I want to see you lots of people's roasters. This next letter is from Barron O.G. Godcaster. He wants you to read this note, please. This must be Steve Webb, because there is only one OG godcaster. $200.77, message receives. In the morning, fellas. I just launched a new show called Verses We Missed,

and I want to invite Gitmo Nation to check it out. It's a short weekly show that looks into those Bible verses you may have read before, but maybe didn't really see. There's a lot of treasure under the surface. Find the show in your podcast app. or at verses we missed.com. And please credit this. Yes, it is from Steve.

Please credit this donation to the lovely Leanne, Lady Leanne, I should say. And if you would, pray for her. She took a nasty fall this past Thursday. They needed six staples in her scalp. Oy, ouch. Ouch. Ouch, yes.

Prayer, flare, receive. Love you guys. May God bless you richly. All right. And that will also go in our new, no agenda network system. I'm going to start this. I like this.

Hyper-local podcast, and this one belongs in it as well. So after proving the point about complaining, I complain some every so often about the Irish, never donating to the show. They're no good. And Peter McLeigh comes in from Dublin. There we go. With $200 and $18, no note.

But he will give him a double up karma. Yeah, proof that moaning works. You've got. Karma. Why don't you do Linda, and then I'll do the long one because they want me to read that one. Linda Lopatkin in Lakewood, Colorado. I'm sorry.

No, I'm sorry. That long one isn't even a two-hound. Oh, it's from Canada. It is a 200. Yep, you're right. It is, yes. Linda Lopatkin and Liquid Colorado, $200 jobs karma for a competitive edge with a resume that gets results.

Go to ImageMakersInck.com for all your executive resume and job search needs. I'm doing a little modulation. here. Yeah, I can tell. And job search needs. That's image makers ink with a K and work with Linda Lou Duchess of Jobs and writer of winning resumes, 200 bucks. So I was talking to Vic because he actually does sell. He's in the sales chain, like the corporate sales chain. He actually does sell like we don't. No, no, but no, that's not what I mean. So he, a lot of his clients are if you're in like the Microsoft sales chain and you sell let's just say

SharePoint or whatever you get a perpetual so as long as that company is using the product you as the in-between guy in the sales chain you get like 10 or 15 percent yeah it's an unbelievable business yeah it's great and so he so he has a yeah it's great he has a number of clients and uh we were talking use of AI for for resumes and it turns out the number one thing that you can really do with AI for your resumes that will actually and I'd love to hear from Linda Lu Patkin on this is have AI do your headshot that's and and make sure your headshot is the one you use on LinkedIn well there's a couple of AI products that do headshots for you yeah it doesn't surprise

me yeah there's a couple and they take your you you a couple of photos and it'll create a perfect headshot with the right background and the whole thing. It makes you look very professional. I think we talked about it on the show before. Not that part. I don't remember that part. Maybe. Yeah, I've seen it. It's been pointed out a couple times. They look good. Sarah Nielsen comes in with $157.97, which was 200 Canadian dollar redo, so we do honor that. It's getting increasingly difficult, but we honor it. She's from Val Morin, Quebec, and Canada. And she said, I hope this message finds you well. Adam, if you could, if possible, could you try a Danish accent for this note? If not Dutch would work. Danish.

Well, my Danish sounds a bit like my Swedish, but I'll give it a shop. I would like to wish my smoking hot husband, Alex, a happy 33. Oops. Oops. I'm I mean 47th birthday today, October 19th. What do you do when your husband and your own birthday falls on a show day all in the same week? I will have to do like him and donate. May this $210.19 Canadian, what am I doing? I'll switch Dutch. Go towards his knighthood.

Side note, his $200 U.S. donation on show 1808 is 280 Canadians. Alex and I have been on a glorious journey for 23 years. We meet while touring with Cirque de Soleil. Oh, wow. We had our first born. That's cool. Were you the lady in the cocktail glass? We had our first born.

In the ball. We had our first born on tour until school age. Then we started playing house and we had our second daughter and many crazy adventures ever since it has been a blast. Alex has been my rock and keeps inspiring all of us girls. Happy hunting, my love. What do you want him to hunt? There's two...

Yeah, really. There's two of it. He doesn't quite understand the meaning of that. Oh, it's Danish. There's too many more years as we slowly make the journey towards Dame and Nighthood. Thank you for your attention to this matter. John, would you be so kind to play? I love my truck and I love what I do.

Yes, I would. I love my truck and I love what I do. There's no joy like a name for a boy. And we thank you all, executive and associate executive producers for your support of the No Agenda show for episode 1809. It is all highly appreciated. And of course, these credits are the real deal. Go to IMDB.com and you can open up an account if you'd already have one. And of course, we'll be thanking the rest of our donors, $50 and above in our second segment. We love every single value for value donation, any amount. You can also set up a recurring donation.

Don't you do it through GoFundMe? Do it right here on noagendidonations.com. Congratulations again to these executive and associate executive producers. Our formula is this. We go out, we hit people in the mouth. Water. Shut up, slay. Shut up, slave. So Lady Vox in the troll room says she's disappointed.

She thought that her check would have reached you by now. She sent it nine days ago. When did you check the P.O. You check it regularly. I checked, I'll tell you when I checked that P.O. box every Tuesday and Friday. Oh, okay. So maybe, oh, Tuesday. How long?

I don't know where she lives. I don't know how long it would take. The mail has been kind of unpredictable, I would say. Just, just mean. Sometimes it takes longer than it should. Sometimes it comes in, like, really fast. Mm-hmm. I don't know how it works.

Hey, we have an Epstein update. Epstein update. Epstein? Who's Epstein? Prince Andrew gives up his royal title of Duke of York, as well as other honours after his friendship with sex offender Geoffrey Epstein returns to the headlines. The news comes ahead of the late Virginia Roberts' Jeffrey's memoir due to be published on Tuesday. Jeffrey alleged she was trafficked by Epstein and had sex with Andrew when she was 17.

Claims Andrew denies, in a statement released by Buckingham Palace on Friday. and with the agreement of his brother, King Charles, Andrew said the continued accusations about me distract from the work of his majesty and the royal family. In 2019, Andrew had already stepped down from public life over links to Epstein, despite denying any wrongdoing. Interesting that she keeps saying Epstein. The whole world knows it's Epstein.

I don't know why I have to say Epstein. And it seems like Duke of York title is in play. Anyone who wants to upgrade to Duke? you can become the Duke of York I think we should do a Duke of York's promotion I think it was it was very strange that this guy bailed out

I mean why didn't he do this years ago because the book is coming out and something no good is in the book. There must be something in the book that he knows about is not good for sure for sure We have, let's see, we have, oh yeah, I guess the, there's a de, well, let's start with this, just to keep up on it, Bolton. These were sealed indictments.

These were actual. Before you, before you play that, let's play Bolton is past commentary. I have a clip here. Bolton on the whole on the legality of all these He had some way He's some commentary about Snowed in and Assange and all these people

and how he felt about it We'll have to prove it Then he has committed Very serious crimes This is this is This is this is this is Bolton and Mar-Lago raids Yeah he is talking about

He's talking about how how the law should treat people who've mishandled classified information. Oh, okay. We'll have to prove it. Then he has committed very serious crimes. This is a devastating indictment. I speak here as an alumnus of the Justice Department myself, because not only is it powerful, it's very narrowly tailored.

They didn't throw everything up against the wall to see what would stick. This really is a rifle shot, and I think it should be the end of Donald Trump's political career. Oh, so. No, that's the one on Trump, yeah. Yeah. I don't have the other one, which is even funnier. No. But that is kind of funny in light of the 18 indictments that were sealed.

Former U.N. ambassador and former Trump National Security Advisor John Bolton appearing in federal court in Maryland. Bolton pleading not guilty to 18 counts of alleged illegal transmission and retention of classified information. He declared himself the latest target in weaponizing the Justice Department to charge those Trump deems to be his enemies. Bolton is the third Trump enemy to be indicted in three weeks. The others, former FBI director James Comey and New York Attorney General Letitia James.

Earlier this week, the president... What? Where did this clip come from? Let me check. This seems a little slanted. This is the third Trump enemy. This ABC. Yes, good catch. I actually... Oh, it's a Trump enemy.

Yes. is a guy who broke the law. Yeah, I know. I'd actually put a note to myself and forgot to stop it myself. Thank you for catching that. Trump deems to be his enemies. Bolton is the third Trump enemy to be indicted in three weeks. Isn't that great?

I just love that. I think it's fantastic. They slip that in there. The others. Former FBI director James Comey and New York Attorney General Letitia James. Earlier this week, the president urging the Justice Department to keep going. Bolton, saying the Trump administration embodies what Joseph St. Stalin's head of secret police once said,

You show me the man and I'll show you the crime. Bolton is accused of sharing classified information with two family members in diary-like emails, describing his experiences in Trump's White House for a tell-all book. Prosecutors say that information, in addition to documents, was discovered when the FBI searched his home. President Trump saying this on Fox News. He took classified information, and he published it during the presidency.

There's one thing to write a book after. during and i believe that he's a criminal and i believe frankly he should go to jail for that the indictment says bolton's email was hacked by an iranian cyber actor gaining access to alleged classified material bolton did report the hack to authorities bolton's attorneys deny any wrongdoing with bolton insisting his book was reviewed and approved by the appropriate experienced career clearance officials if convicted each count carries 10 years yeah i find this very interesting because yeah first of all he published it in a book and he says it was cleared by security like officials i wonder i wonder who does that and then oh it was an iranian cyber hacker

okay yeah well i don't know you think he's going to go away i doubt it the republicans are always making these threats and never nothing. I've always reminded of James Comer. Now, you say this, but you keep saying it about the, look, everything in Congress, I'm with you. Who cares? It's uninteresting. They don't do

anything. But when it gets to the Department of Justice, that's not just the Republicans. That's the Department of Justice. And Pam Bondi, who we know is not the brightest lamp, she could just take it all the way. You know, she could make it happen. She can

get someone put in jail. We'll see. Well, then there's the declassified Durham report documents. The documents contain emails allegedly from the senior vice president of the George Soros Open Society Foundation. He quotes a Clinton campaign advisor saying, quote, it will be a long-term affair and to demonize Putin and Trump. And adds that, quote, later the FBI will put more oil into the fire, unquote.

Other emails reveal. Hillary Clinton approved the idea of tying Trump and Russia to election interference. And that was a scheme hoping the allegations would distract people from her own email scandal. These documents provide clear evidence that Hillary Clinton's campaign was behind the Russia hoax and that the FBI knew what the Clinton team was up to, acknowledging that the info they were receiving about the Trump campaign may have come from the Clinton camp. Despite this, the Obama intel community forged ahead with their 2017 assessment, concluding that Russia aspired to help Trump win the election. So what laws do you think? Where did that report come from?

Fox. Yeah, of course. Yeah, of course. Nobody is reporting that but Fox. And do you think that that can be used to send someone like Comey or Brennan to jail? I think there's a, unless they can prove conspiracy, I don't know. No, I don't think so. either if they can't prove conspiracy because everything else's statute of limitations is long gone

yeah they have to prove conspiracy and i you know that's why i think they're going after homie with this minor charge yeah get them on tax evasion yeah that's the whole trick and then sad news from the world of rock and roll everybody rock and roll sad news in the world of rock and roll ace freely a founding member of the glam rock band kiss has died after a recent fall. Fraley's driving guitar sound powered the band that captivated audiences with elaborate makeup and thrilling

stage performances. His agent says Freely died peacefully Thursday surrounded by family in Morristown, New Jersey. Ace Freely was 74. Leaving a lot out there. Ace Freelie, lifelong addicts, so bad that his daughter just, she quit

her job, everything to try and keep him alive and keep him off. and then he slipped and he fell and then he got a brain bleed and they thought it was going to be okay but then he wasn't which i don't know if he was his driving guitar was really the successive kiss but it was an element it was it wasn't element yeah 74 is too young it's too young too young i tell you love you're strung out it's yeah yeah uh climate change There's a new report. Man, I'm so happy.

I really hope that... Well, before you play the new report on climate change, let's play my old report from 2009 on climate change from John Kerry on the Congress floor. In five years, scientists predict we will have the first ice-free Arctic summer. That exposes more ocean to sunlight. Ocean is dark.

It consumes more of the heat from the sunlight, which then accelerates the rate of the melting and warming rather than the ice sheet and the snow that used to reflect it back up into the atmosphere. Oh, so that was, so 10 years ago, we should have had an ice-free Arctic? Well, he said in five years, and that was 2009, so in 2014, which is 11 years ago. We should have had an Arctic, a free Arctic, even though we're buying ice breakers for some reason from Finland. This is a good beat, John.

I want you to keep bringing these on. All these old clips, just keep bringing them up. They're a good intro to the new clips, which you have. Yes, it's a new report, and, of course, it's actually quite similar. Sweltering heat and cracked Earth. All over the world, global warming is having an impact. Oh, no, cracked Earth. And it's getting hotter.

Average global temperatures have risen by 0.3 degrees Celsius since 2015, leading to 11 more hot days per year. A decade ago, almost 200 governments came together to sign the Paris Agreement. So I love the hot days. I don't know what a hot day is. You know, it's a hot day. Hot day here is over 100. A hot day for you might be 90. You know, it's like, what's a hot day? And now, I don't like this at all.

I don't like these. You should be a little more exact. An international climate. 85. Is that a hot day for you? I think so, yeah. Most 200 governments came together to sign the Paris Agreement. Yes, just a reminder. the Paris Agreement, part of the North Sea nexus.

An international climate accord that obliges nations to reduce their greenhouse gas emissions and limit temperature rise to no more than 2 degrees Celsius. What? What? What? What? What? What? What happened to 1.5? No, no. It's a moving target. Missions and limit temperature rise to no more than 2 degrees Celsius. Before the agreement was signed, global warming was estimated to reach 4 degrees Celsius above pre-industrial levels by the end of the century, which scientists say would have led to

114 additional hot days per year. This is the new metric. It's how many extra hot days you get. Hey, you know what? There's people that live in Holland, and they're happy with hot days. They're like, it's beautiful weather. I live in a perpetual car wash. I like hot weather.

If enacted, pledges made under the accord would limit warming to 2.6 degrees, leading to half the number of hot days. It's progress, say experts, as part of a new study, but more still needs to be done. We are still not seeing the highest possible ambition, and that is obviously a huge problem. Brit, Brit, Norse-Nexis. It is a problem that will be paid for with the lives and livelihoods of... Lives! Yeah, the poorest people in the world. Porest people in the world will die, you evil, evil Westerners.

In every country. Heat is the deadliest type of extreme weather, contributing to an... estimated half a million deaths globally every year. And it's often underestimated. Only around half of countries worldwide have heat early warning systems in place, with coverage uneven and far fewer systems found in Africa, Latin America, and parts of Asia. We need heat early warning systems. Another exit strategy. It's called a thermometer. Okay, we can keep playing these sorts of things.

Yeah, I don't have any more. I think more dangerous is Star Shield. Have you heard about this? Yes, I have. I have heard about it. I have a clip. I would love to hear your clips about Star Shield because it seems like they're on the ham bands.

Exactly. Or worse. Or worse. Yes, here we go. It all began with a guy living out in British Columbia named Scott Tilly. Tilly tracks satellites for fun, kind of like plane spotting, but in space.

He was working with his equipment. Yeah, there it is. That categorizes your typical amateur radio operator, kind of like a plane spotter in space. Tilly tracks satellites for fun, kind of like plane spotting, but in space. He was working with his equipment one day. And it was just a clumsy move at the keyboard.

I was just resetting some stuff. He switched to the wrong antenna and found himself looking at a range of radio frequencies that are normally quiet. He was about to move on when he saw something weird. It's really subtle. I'll just see, you know, you catch it by the corner of your eye. Hey, wait a minute.

That's exactly the type of stuff I'm normally looking for. A radio signal from a satellite, but at the wrong frequency. Until he recorded the signal and then looked at a catalog other amateurs had created of all the satellites in space. And bang, up came an unusual identification that I wasn't expecting at all. StarShield. Star Shield is a classified network of intelligence satellites from the commercial company SpaceX. Its users include spy agencies like the National Reconnaissance Office, which launched a batch of Star Shield satellites just last month.

Two, one, ignition, and lift off of Falcon 9. Go, space six, go in RL, 48. Tilly has since spotted a lot more Star Shields, 170 in all. And that's a problem, he says, because this frequency they're using to send data down to Earth is supposed to be used for the exact opposite for sending commands from Earth to civilian satellites. He worries Star Shield could mess them up.

Nearby satellites could receive radio frequency interference and could perhaps not respond properly to commands or ignore commands from Earth. Kevin Gifford is a computer scientist at the University of Colorado Boulder, who specializes in radio interference from spacecraft. He agrees Star Shield signals could cause, interference. I'm skeptical about this because of the way I understand it is he's using, or these star shields are sending signals on the downlink, what should be the uplink from a bunch

of hams on CubeSats. So I'm not sure if that's going to mess up command and control of other satellites. Well, that's what they imply. Yeah, I'm not sure that's true. I think that it's definitely happening. How big of an impact is a question. The truth is satellite operators really don't send that many commands from Earth to space, and the commands they do send via Uplink are usually brief.

You know, that uplink has a low probability of being corrupted simply because the uplink in those bands is not happening that often. SpaceX and the NRO did not respond to NPR's request for comment about the transmissions, but Tilly says he thinks the world needs to know. These secret satellites are beaming out a signal that could mess up other spacecraft. But was this, but I thought that it was on a, on a ham, a part of the ham band for satellite communications. Did I miss, did I misunderstand that?

They never say. You know, Vic, same Vic. He's going to be one of the first reps for, I forget the name of it. What's the Amazon Starlink variant? Amazon's shipping some. Amazon is going to put satellite birds up? They already are.

Yeah. Yeah, let me see. It's called Cowper. There you go. Using that same crackpot technology that Musk uses? So it's called Cowper, which is a Dutch name. Calper? Yeah, K-U-I-P-E-R, Cowper.

Then according to Vic, this will be gigabit speeds Bull well I mean hey he's a sales guy so but you say bless you I if Vic says it I believe it

that woman who wrote the note will be bitching about me doing that John you're so rude and so mean to Adam you keep sneezing in the middle of him can't you mute your mic I'm going to show my soul by donating to no agenda Imagine all the people who could do that. Oh, yeah, that'd be fab. Yeah, on no agenda in the morning.

Well, good news for the fans. The Secretary's General's jingle is coming up as we have four. Four, one, two, yes, four Secretaries General to celebrate today. Of course, John's tip of the day coming up and some outstanding end-of-show mixes along with our meetups. And right now, John is going to thank the Value for Value, producers who supported us $50 and above. Yes, starting with

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supporters. And they love the show. And they want us to open up and go on the cruise, the Mercy Me cruise and do a no agenda show talk. That's nice. It's lucrative. I'm sure it is.

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He's your neighbor, he says. And he's a deduishing. Oh. You've been deduished. Well. Wait, wait. He wants to call out his good. friend supposedly good friend

James Walker as a douchebag Well Cody is, yeah, San Antonio is kind of a neighbor, but it's about an hour away. Do you go there? I go there, yes. I think you go there for the Costco, if I'm not mistaken. Tina goes there for the

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Yeah, he's in Holland. Yeah. 601. Sir Kevin O'Brien in Chicago, 606. Dame Liberty Mom in Vista, California, 6-06. And then we got nuts. Okay. Nuts?

Yeah, well, if I hit the button to move the scroll and it's shut to the top. Dean Roker, 5510. Sir Nick in Knoxville, Tennessee, 5272. Is there anything in here he wants? Yeah, there's some make goods in here. He says, as a follow-up to my instant-night donation show, 1807, that's why we stop and read this. And for novelty's sake, I'd love to include a Secretary-Generalship as well as that. Okay, yes, you're on the list.

He wants to be the Secretary General of the Daily Grind. Additionally, I previously left out my request for jobs karma and for the entire Mazoni clan, baby-making karma. Any thanks and kind regards, Sir Nick of Knight of Knoxville's 33 degree. So jobs and baby karma will be at the end of this list. Baby making karma. Kent O'Rourke in Frostburg, Maryland, 5272. Baron Henry of the outpost west in Rancho Palos Verdez, California, 5242. Andrew Benz in Imperial Missouri, 5005.

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You want to be where you want me. Drink it all hell's lame. You want to be where everybody feels the same. Well, we got John's tip of the day coming up. Everybody loves the tip of the day. They have been increasingly interesting as tips of the day. Everyone, I saw the Manchurian candidate rocketed to the top of the charts. Everyone picking that one up from the classic movies.

And before we do that, we always like to take a look at some of the end-of-show ISO. What? I don't see any ISOs on your list. I have none. I'm deferring. Well, I have three. You get to choose. Hail to the king, baby.

okay we have this one bye bye bye bye and this one is a little long but I kind of liked it what are we doing you have a podcast but you don't have a YouTube channel yes that was sent in by someone

yeah you don't like that one I do kind of like it but you know when you bring in the Jones material bye bye bye you just there's no competition I agree AJ it is but first we have to listen to

the very important John Cedar Morax tip of the day great advice for you and me just the tip with JCD and sometimes Adam Okay this is a screwball tip this is for people who travel in Europe by train

Okay everybody pay attention that's you it could be anybody because you get a ural pass which americans love to do and you just jump on the train you go from here to there but it's kind of a pain in the ask to figure out where to go how to go where we're you know where just the schedules the Deutsche ban puts together a website for internet for everybody but there's an international traveler's version which is the one I'm recommending and the website is I and T exactly right get it right now I-N-T-B-A-H-N-B-A-H-N-D-E-S-E-L-E-L-E-L-E-N-I-N.

I think if you don't put the E-N, it still works. But you can also look it up on Google, a Deutsche-Bahn International Travel Site. You put in where you're going, and this is for all of Europe, and it includes the U.K. I don't know why they do this, because there's all these different competing, you know,

operations in Europe for the different train companies, but you put in where you're starting and where you want to go, and it will take you from train to train to train, show you what platform you're landing on, what platform to go to, to transfer to the next train, at what time the train comes in, and at what time the next train leaves, and what platform it's on, it's unbelievable. If you happen to be traveling through Europe in Deutschland. Yeah, well, Europe, Eastern Europe, Middle Europe, England, all the way up to Sweden. It's astonishing that they have this, and it's well-structured, very easy to deal with.

They've changed the interface a little bit. I used to use this a lot, you know, 20 years ago. And it was, I thought it was, I thought the layout was a little nicer when it was more old fashioned and but it's this that's because you like blink tags there was no blink tags involved and the cat running across the bottom that's what i was missing there does everybody find them all the tip of the day dot net john's tip of the day create advice for you and me just the tip with jcd and sometimes add them created by dana bernetti and uh in the show notes i just added it, a 1989 interview I did with Ace Freely on the Headbanger's Ball, which I cannot remember.

But it did happen, apparently. You were a pothead. Oh, that's why. Yeah, now remember. Thanks. Thanks for reminding me. That's it for no agenda for today. But we'll be back in just a few short days, Thursday, our next show day.

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And end of show mixes from our very own clip custodian Neil Jones. And we've got, uh, uh, what was it, Jeff, uh, Jeff and his buddy. I'm sorry, I forgot who you were, uh, with a toe-tapper soon to be in the No Agenda, the Musical. Coming to you from the heart of the Texas Hill Country in the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry. And from northern Silicon Valley, I'm John C. DeBorak. Remember us at No Agenda Donations.com until Thursday, adios, mofosa, hooey, hooey, and such. The planted gun was referred to by the detective as a ham, Sandler. Every cop that I knew carried a ham sandwich.

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