No Agenda - 1823 - "Secretary of Egg"

Episode Date: December 7, 2025

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And right now she's cheap. Adam Curry, John C. DeVorek. It's Sunday, December 7th, 2025. This is your award-winning Jimor Nation Media Assassination, Episode 1823. This is no agenda. We got blue checks. And we're broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas Hill Country. Here in FEMA region number six in the morning, everybody.

I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley, where we've been determined to be the most affordable podcast in the universe. I'm John C. DeVarack. It's Crackpot and Buzzkill. In the morning. Well, what prestigious award was this? We're affordable. Because it basically costs you nothing until you get value and then you send something.

Is that why we're for? Because you feel like it? Yeah. Well, that's... They don't feel like it much recently, but eventually they'll be back. Hey, man, did you see the Kennedy Center honors? I only saw Trump giving awards to people. Well, I didn't get to see his, did he go, did he do his bit?

He's going to be the host. Oh, it was, he's going to be like the host. It's like a comedy show where you got to host the guys at the beginning telling jokes. Well, what was nice about it is it was, I don't know if people really understand this, but it was a huge middle finger to establishment entertainment business. because if you ever notice, if you look at the Grammys, if you look at the Academy Awards, the people who make the movies that are loved most by the audience

never get an award, ever, ever. On record. No, there's, it happens by accident. Well, sometimes by accident, but usually it doesn't happen. And I have a quick, The way they see it is that, look, all the money you made is an award in itself. That's exactly right.

It's like the inverse of the no agenda show. Oh, the money doesn't... You don't need any more accolades, man. So I just want to highlight the three awards. Here they are in quick succession. We have the disco queen, and she was indeed. And nobody did it like Gloria Gaynor. Gloria, thank you very much.

icon Gloria Gainer. Yes, very good. That's a good head of hair. So he says to the lady with a wig, that's a good head of hair. That was pretty funny. All right, next. A friend of mine, a wonderful person, a really spectacular person. One of the true great movie stars, there aren't many.

There used to be a lot. There aren't many now. But he's one of the great legends and had some of the greatest movies ever, including the top. Grossing movies ever. Sylvester, Sly, Salone. Never received an Academy Award, ever. And then the final guy. I thought he got for best screenplay. What's that?

I thought he wanted for best screenplay for Rocky. I looked it up. According to what I could find was nothing. And then, of course, these guys never got a Grammy. Not sure they deserved it, but in my heart they did. And the members of the Incredible Rock, Band Kiss. That's good.

Give those guys an award. You know, they didn't win any grammars because the material was such. But I've always felt, you know, they are iconic. They had a singular act. Nobody really ever copied it. Well, Gwar kind of did a little bit. And they were entertaining. They were super entertaining.

Yeah. Yeah. I saw a tribute, a band. I actually believe I've seen. kiss because I was in Seattle once out in the square area. Well, you either remembered or you don't. How could you think you saw a kiss? Well, because it was supposed to be a tribute band,

but it could have been Kiss. Oh, I see. Because it was exactly the same. Uh-huh. And I went there with a friend of mine at PC Magazine publisher. We went in there and all of a sudden we'd go into this bar and Pioneer Square and there's this kiss is playing. Yeah.

And we stuck around and watched them. They were throwing fire in the air and these guys. It sounded like Kiss, it looked like Kiss. I believed I might as well have seen Kiss. The tribute band was so good. But nobody else did anything like that. So I just liked it. I thought that was fun, you know, for people who have huge commercial success

or at least recognized success. I don't think everybody in Kiss made all the money, to be honest. I think Gene Simmons probably has it all. Good friend of the present, my good friend, long time. Long time. Be a good friend or a long time. Go ahead, trolls. Nate, say it. He's a Jew. Yeah, there you go.

He's a Jew. But the entertainment. Wow. He is. These guys never let out. Here is the entertainment news of the week. This is only the third largest such deal in the history of the entertainment industry. However, it is arguably the most influential.

This deal sets Netflix up to be the king of content, old news. Netflix's co-CEo says our mission has always been to entertain the world. Together, we can give audiences more of what they love and help define the next century of storytelling. In Canada, this would certainly attract attention from the federal regulators. Under normal circumstances, a deal this massive invites regulatory scrutiny, raises antitrust concerns. But analysts say this administration isn't likely to stand in the way. The Trump administration doesn't seem to be putting forth any pushback towards consolidation within the media industry.

Though that green light may come with strings attached. The quiet part out loud in deals like this is this is an administration that does not like having stories told about it that it does not approve. Shares of Netflix sold off on the news while shares of Warner Brothers jumped. Investors aren't sure this will pay off for the streaming giant, but consumers will be rewarded with more content at a cost. I suspect the initial reaction will be to increase subscription prices. But the diversity of content in the future,

may suffer. Smaller scale directors are probably huddling in dark rooms having these conversations now about how they survive in this scary new world. This acquisition is expected to close in 12 to 18 months. Analysts expect more mega deals in the U.S. media industry. Comcast and Paramount were also bidding on Warner's legacy assets. Paramount was one of those two interested buyers that got rebuffed. They're going to lick their wounds and they're going to come back and they're going to look for something else. So the responses to this were kind of baffling on the America First Magaside. Let's see, we have Laura Lumer. I told you this is going to happen.

This is bad. Get ready for the Obama News Network. What? Somehow, because the Obama's had some deal with Netflix, now Obama is going to be running the Obama News Network. Jack Persebic. Susan Rice is on the board of Netflix. This is about Obama's taking over media.

Matt Gates. Trump must stop this. Well, I'm surprised. I'm glad you. I didn't think this was a story because I don't believe this merger is ever going to occur. And I think the best analysts have said so. And it's an idea. It's to put Warner in a ban so Paramount doesn't grab them

and they want to keep me that way for years. So whether this deal is consummate is the issue. But the fact that anyone reacted to it, they had the same thing at the dinner table that came up with this kind of weirdness. I mean, this is, I don't know what the deal is. I guess the way I understand it, if they got a hold of it, they'd spin off CNN anyway. Oh, CNN is not part of the deal.

CNN's not even part of the deal. But the thing that gets me is, even from an antitrust perspective, streaming is wide open. Anybody can create a streaming app. Anybody can stream whatever they want to. Anybody and everybody is creating content. Who cares? I'll tell you, who cares? The movie theater owners are finally going to realize,

oh, that's it. Time to pack it in. Time to turn it into a roller rink. and the actors and other people who get residuals, they're the ones that are going to be crying about it because that is over now. I think it's until 20, 29, that's the proposal, they'll continue everything.

But once it's on Netflix, I don't think residuals count anymore and certainly not for new stuff going forward. And what really have they done for us? Who really cares? TikTok is funnier the most, movies, even your TikTok clips. Well, you should know since you've been poaching them.

Please. No, it's, it's just, I mean, I don't see, I don't even see why there would be a problem with Netflix acquiring is. Who cares? Okay. Well, there's that, well, the element, uh, yeah. They got Bugs Bunny. They got Batman.

So they have a great catalog of stuff. stuff I might want to watch, I might not. But is that, is it really anti-competitive? Well, I definitely don't see Obama's hook into this deal. And by the way, these companies have been bought and sold by technology companies throughout my entire life. Well, Warner's been owned by AT&T. Yes.

We had Sony. One company after another. Sony still owns Colombia. The AOL owned them for a while, if you remember those days. I think didn't Coca-Cola. owner studio at one point. Didn't they own MGM at some point? I don't remember Coca-Cola.

I think so. I think so. Let me see. I'm pretty sure. It's just like, who cares? Golf and Western. An oil company owned a studio. Yes, like Golf and Western.

Owned him for a long time. I think they owned Paramount too, didn't they? Golf and Western. Yes, they did. It was a G&W company. Yeah. Let me see if they owned a movie studio.

I'm pretty sure they do. I must like the hotel business. Exactly the same. You know, they show, what do you want? I'll tell you what, I'll give you two of my hotels in London for one of yours and Dubai. Yeah, Coca-Cola. Okay, well, you got to sweeten the deal. Okay, well, we'll do the signage for free.

Coca-Cola owned the movie studio Columbia Pictures from 82 to 89. Acquired it for $750 million and $82, sold it to Sony for $3.4 billion. Good job. That was good. good deal. No one was losing their mind over that. They won't sell Pepsi in the theaters. Oh, it's horrible.

No, I don't see any. I don't see selling to the Japanese. I don't see, yes, I don't see any problem with this. This is fine. This is good. And just for whatever reason, we're on the show business news. The biggest news out of Europe, who cares about

immigration? Wait, I'm sorry. I know you were building it up. But I had to say this. Everybody who's bought and sold Warner in particular have not done well after that, after it was come, after they came and went. And remember Bronfman, Seagrams? Like what happened?

AOL, for example. Well, the AOL was tragic. They bought Time Warner, got the whole kitten caboodle. It was tragic. And the Bronfman's, I guess the Bronfans are still doing okay, Seagrams, they're still around. Didn't they buy the studio? I don't know.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But now that you bring it up the way you do with these, all this discrepan bunch of who knows why they're only studio in the first place. I guess they want to get laid, but they got some executives in love with the starlet. I mean, it makes no sense to me. So, it's the only thing I can think of.

You just nailed it. That's the entire idea behind. behind it. Of course. All these ugly billionaires, they don't want to get involved in show business. We hang out with some beautiful people. Yeah, Seagrams bought MCA in 1995 with Universal Studios. So, yeah, that's exactly right. I'm surprised you don't know some of these people.

You hang out with these billionaires. When I was on the yacht, you know, when I was on the yacht sipping a mojito. All right, here's the big news out of Europe. At least four countries have announced they are pulling out of next year's Eurovision song contest after organizers decided to allow Israel to compete. The participating broadcasters from the Netherlands, Spain, Ireland and Slovenia, each withdrew from the song contest after the European Broadcasting Union held its twice-yearly General Assembly.

The country is called for Israel to be excluded over alleged interference in voting. and its conduct in the war on Gaza. Well, and what I'm pleased is the membership have had a full opportunity to debate it, and I can tell you it was a full, frank, honest and quite moving debate. But as we can see from the emphatic result, what they really came together on is a belief that Eurovision Song Contest shouldn't be used as a political theatre. It must retain some sense of neutrality.

The EBU voted to adopt tougher voting rules in response to the allegations that Israel manipulated the vote in favor of their contestant. The contest of musical acts from dozens of countries strives to remain apolitical but has repeatedly been embroiled in world events. Russia was expelled in 2022 after its full-scale invasion of Ukraine. Over the past two years, pro-Palestinian protesters demonstrated against Israel outside the Eurovision contest venues in Switzerland and in Sweden. How embarrassing for the Dutch.

What an embarrassment. This is your pathetic virtue signal. Goodness gracious. I know a lot of people at the national song contest level. Now, it's just embarrassing. We're taking a stand. Okay. You make music.

Gay music. Well, anyway, this does this totally... You had to throw that in. Well, because... Well, and the lead in to this opens up the opportunity for America to create hope. and produce the gayest song contest in the world competition. Everyone will come. It would be great.

I see that as this. What an opportunity. If the president wasn't the president, he would do it. Now he wouldn't call it world vision, not Eurovision. Global vision. The World Vision song contest. Yes, exactly. Yeah.

Yeah. Anyway, so everyone's got their panties in a bunch. Well, over what? Over everything. Over everything. They got their panties in a bunch over a heck, Seth. Yeah, exactly. Oh, goodness gracious.

Oh, because this is the attack vector, as you called it. Now, you say when the Democrats win the midterm, I have no crystal ball. But if they do, this will be the impeachment terms. It'll be about killing innocent people clinging to wood. Well, here's an example. This is interesting. Play this BBC set. There's a tease from yesterday, the BBC World Service. Because coming up, we're going to hear from a former senior lawyer from the Pentagon on the controversial military strikes by the United States against alleged narcotics boats from Venezuela. If the orders that have been given by senior civilian leadership are unlawful, which we believe they are, then everyone who executes those orders from the admiral

down to the person who pulls the trigger faces legal liability. Is that really true, though? I don't know. Is it true or not? You want to hear the clips where this guy is on the BBC? making his commentary? Of course, because this... Higgs-Seth attacks, BBC 1. Pete Hankseth, the American Secretary of Defense, hit back Saturday at critics of the killings in the Caribbean of people the Trump... Ooh, ooh, I like that alliteration.

Killings in the Caribbean. Killings in the Caribbean. Hit back Saturday at critics of the killings in the Caribbean of people, the Trump administration says, are drug smugglers, which it's linked to Venezuela and the government in Caracas. At least 83 people have been killed and 21 have been injured in the last three months. in U.S. raids in an incident on the second. Hold on a second. I have no knowledge of this. I thought everybody got blown to bits. 21 have been injured? I don't know that either. That's kind of news to me. I'd like to know more about that.

And the government in Caracas. When they were injured, they had they rescue them. They're just sitting in the middle of the ocean. They're not going to last long. No, I think they get rescued. But I only knew of two. And now it turns out 21. Okay. Well, there you go. Oh, that's actually strengthening the case here. People have been killed and 21 have been injured in the last three months in U.S. raids. In an incident on the 2nd of September, two survivors of a U.S. airstrike that destroyed a boat, said to be carrying narcotics, was subsequently killed when the Admiral in charge, Frank Bradley, who leads special operations command, ordered a second strike after they were spotted clinging onto the wreckage.

Speaking at the Reagan National Defense Forum in the last couple of hours, Secretary Hegseth was defiant, saying the U.S. will continue killing those he labeled narco-terrorists. Major General Stephen Lepa served as Judge Advocate General in the U.S. Air Force, that's the second most senior lawyer in uniform at the Pentagon until his retirement. He's a member of Jags, a group of former military lawyers, set up in February in response to the firing of other Judge Advocate generals. Speaking to me earlier before Mr. Higgseth's appearance at the forum, I asked him why the anti-narcotics operations are so troubling. Well, I'm very concerned. I and my colleagues, first of all, believe that even the first strikes of these vessels are unlawful because the legal justification upon which the entire operation is based. First of all, is still secret because the Office of Legal Counsel opinion justifying them has not been released. But even more importantly, it does not constitute a non-international armed conflict, which is the rationale that the Trump administration has given.

for the strikes in the first place. Okay. This character, this is part of an overall scheme, the BBC's part of it. Oh, clearly. And this guy is actually a banker. Well, that makes it extra fun. Of course he is.

This is all against the North Sea Nexus. He's like, hey, we can't launder any money. We can't launder any money. The money's not coming through. Stop blowing up our boats. The military bank. He's also, he went, he was a jag guy in the Air Force for a while. And then he, if you look at us, he's on LinkedIn, so I followed, I looked at his education.

He went immediately, he got certificated, which is the only way I can pronounce that. I think it's pronounced certificate. I think it's right. He got certificated for this, that, you know, all money management, personal wealth management, banking, banking, and now he runs a, rent some banks, and he's running a bank now. and so he's a banker. So this guy's a banker, so it makes nothing but sense of your thesis. Yes. It falls into place with this banker. And then we see the confluence of one scheme and another in clip two that is just obvious.

And what that means in the law is that not only should we not be talking about these things in terms of war crimes, we should be talking about these things as simple murder. Right. I mean, that will surprise a lot of people who might think you can always. argue over the definitions, the military kill people who they regard as enemies, and therefore the standard would be war crimes. But you think actually it's a civilian one. I do. I mean, narco-trafficking has traditionally, by all the nations in the world, been considered a law enforcement issue. These are criminals who are bringing drugs to our shores. They are civilians who are bringing drugs to our shores. And one of the ways in which this administration has tried to sidestep the law, which

basically says you can't kill civilians is to suggest that this is somehow an armed conflict. There are no arms involved in this, and so the narco-trafficker vessels do not qualify as combatants under international law. Would military commanders who made an order like the one Admiral Bradley is said to have made have some protection if those orders came as a result of instructions from the leadership in the Pentagon, in other words, from the Secretary of Defense? Well, no, there is a duty among military members, no matter what rank or position you hold, to disobey unlawful order. He's in the pocket. Nice.

Sound familiar? Yeah, nice, very nice. I told you that that was about these drug boats. That's the first thing I was in. Yeah, it was obviously about the drug boats, but it's all part of a giant scheme and a, and the set up for the impeachment that we will take place in 2027. Hey man, we're going to quit. If we, I can't do another impeachment.

Well, the impeachment, I can't do enough. I'm quitting. I'm sick of these impeachments. I'm quitting. I quit. I give up. If you just keep impeaching. I don't understand what the Republicans put up with it.

Okay, this is the end of it. Okay, here we go. And if the orders that have been given by senior civilian leadership are unlawful, which we believe they are, then everyone who executes those orders from the admiral down to the person who pulls the trigger faces legal liability. That's retired U.S. Judge Advocate General, Major General Stephen Leper. Yeah. By the way, this has got zero play, but what was this guy's name?

Paul Campo. Paul Campo, who oversaw the FBI's money laundering operations and resigned in 2016, just got busted for, oh, laundering drug money. They didn't get played. Cartel money. I should mention something else at the BBC report. for those journalists wannabes out there. Where's the balance in this reporting?

You could easily bring somebody in with the other point of view and have them express themselves. No, you have a one-sided, lopsided presentation that only goes in one direction because you're part of a scheme. The BBC has just deteriorated to an extreme. Well, the same can be said for the United States M5M. I do have the morning shows. Well, my boy, I think that's all we've been.

saying for 18 years. The morning shows from this morning, Sunday, we're doing the rounds. This is what it was all about. Oh, you got to talk about. This is drugboats, drug bo, bu, bu, bu, here is George Stephanopoulos with Adam Smith. I'm pretty sure he's a Democrat. Is he not? Yeah, he must be a Democrat. At least the way he talks, otherwise I'd be surprised. Here he is. We're joined now by Congressman Adam Smith, the top Democrat. Yeah, top Democrat. I'm House Armed Services Committee. Congressman, thank you. Armed Services Committee.

Thank you for joining us this morning. these videos, you were briefed by Admiral Bradley and others. Can you just describe what you saw and what you heard? Well, I think Jim Himes described it really well. There were two survivors on an overturned boat, and Senator Cotton's description of it is simply not accurate. When they were finally taken out, they were trying to flip the boat over. The boat was clearly incapacitated. A tiny portion of it remained, capsized the bow of the boat. They had no communications device, certainly they were unarmed. Any claim that the drugs had somehow survived that attack is hard, hard to really square with what we saw. So it was deeply disturbing. It did not

appear that these two survivors were in any position to continue the fight. And then you get into the larger issue, which you previewed of what is the fight exactly. They were trying to bring drugs. And not even to the United States, by the way. There's no evidence. I mean, the drugs were going to some other point, where they were going to be trans-shiped from there. And again, no congressional authorization for this. If it is a war, then there should be either congressional authorization or compliance with the war powers resolution. So this seems to go directly against Donald Trump's pledge to keep us out of wars. He seems to be dragging us into one without legal authorization. So let's hear what Cotton had to say, who did show up on the morning shows. This is

him with Manhans Welker on NBC. Let me ask you about the aftermath of that first strike. The Pentagon's Law of War Manual, which you're familiar with having served in Iraq and Afghanistan, says, quote, orders to fire upon the shipwrecked

would be clearly illegal. Given that, how was that follow-on strike of two survivors legal, Senator? Well, again, Kristen, they were not incapacitated. They were not in the water, surviving only because they had a life jacket or hanging to a plank of wood.

They were sitting on that boat. They were clearly moving around on it. That is in contrast, for instance, to another strike that Secretary Hegeseth described just yesterday in October in which you had two survivors who were in that state. They were essentially just dog paddling in the water. And what happened on that strike, a U.S. vessel went and picked those survivors up and took them back to their home country. That's just an example of how our military makes these decisions based on the fact that

and circumstances of each particular case consistent with laws and with the directive you just stated. Wait a minute. So were they helpless or not? It looks like everybody watched the video and walked away with different opinions. Oh, this is so strange. Here's Jim. By the way, just to stop me for a second, that the mention that you caught on the BBC where they said they kept, there are 21 people survived.

meaning those are 21 people that were rescued so the modus operandi is not to kill those that's right that survived and so that that i think the fact that they let that slip yeah it's a mistake was a mistake yes in their you know considering the plan the only modus operandi is impeach trump as quickly as possible this is jim hym house intelligence committee congressman jim himes he joins us this morning from Connecticut. Welcome back to Face the Nation. Thanks for having me, Margaret. You are one of the few lawmakers shown the classified version of this September 2nd video of the U.S. strikes and alleged drug boat near Venezuela. Four

strikes in total, we've learned. You met with Admiral Bradley who commands special operations as well. The President United States says he's open to this video being made public. Do you think it is essential that it become public and are you confident it will be? I think it's really important that this video be made public. It's not lost on anyone, of course, that the interpretation of the video, which six or seven of us had an opportunity to see last week, broke down precisely on party lines. And so this is an instance in which I think the American public needs to judge for itself. I know how the public is going to react, is going to react, because I felt my own reaction.

And, you know, I've spent years looking at videos of lethal action taken, often in the terrorism context. And this video was profoundly shaking. And I think it's important for Americans to see it. Because, look, there's a certain amount of sympathy out there for going after drug runners. But I think it's really important that people see what it looks like when the full force of the United States military is turned on two guys who are clinging to a piece of wood and about to go on. just so that they have sort of a visceral feel for what it is that we're doing. He saw a different video, clinging to a piece of wood. Tom Cotton said they were not clinging to a piece of wood.

And if we're going to broadcast that video, please, please broadcast the video of the double and triple tap in Iraq. Please. Yeah, and he did it in Pakistan, I think Afghanistan. Yeah. Nobody brings up, because I'm never going to stop doing. this because until the media at least comes back at somebody with the commentary

that Obama did this he and he blew up in fact so did Bush in fact it blew up weddings literally blew up wedding documented blowing up weddings and paid people off it was like a hundred grand

oh I'm sorry we killed one of your wedding wedding party guests he's a hundred thousand dollars it was a set amount Then they would do a double tap. When people came to rescue the injured, they blow them up again. And this is the real killer. The second double tap that Obama specialized in and nobody brings it up.

Let's be honest. When it comes to killing people, we are foam finger number one. What's this unpatriotic talk? Obama gets at the top of the list, though. And his kill list, a Tuesday kill list, whatever it was. Yeah. The whole thing is ridiculous that they've just, you know, this is just a set up so they can impeach Trump again. Well, let's go.

So they can set the record. We're number one at impeaching and getting nowhere with it. Let's go back to Tom Cotton. I hear you saying they weren't incapacitated and yet Democratic Congressman Adam Smith of Washington, the ranking member on the House Armed Services Committee saw this very differently. You see that, you see that even though I'm playing from three different news networks, it's all the same. thing. Everybody went to say the same thing. And it's different from the other guy. It's amazing. He said, quote, it looks like two classically shipwrecked people. Other lawmakers who saw the video

said the two men appeared to raise their arms potentially to signal that they were trying to surrender. Senator, why did Admiral Bradley interpret those actions as anything other than these two men trying to seek help and survive? Well, again, they were sitting or standing on top of a capsized boat. They weren't floating helplessly in the water. And, Kristen, I don't think it matters all that much what they were trying to do. It looked at one point like they were trying to flip the boat back over, presumably, to rescue its cargo and continue their mission. Or to stay afloat, potentially? Maybe they were signaling to other airplanes or drug cartel boats.

That sounds pretty flimsy. Had the radios, they were doing flags, semaphore signals to the other boats, airplanes, satellites. They're in waters that are just on drug cartel areas. At one point, the guy takes up his t-shirt. Maybe he's trying to get a suntan. It doesn't really matter what they were trying to do. What matters if they were not in a shipwreck state distressed dog paddling in the water at all. And therefore, that boat, its cargo, and those drug traffickers remained valid targets.

And I think what the Democrats object to here is not the second strike. It's the first strike and every other strike. Now, let's go back to Adam Smith with Stephanopoulos. What is this really about? On the release of the video, President Trump has said he's fine with having a release. but Secretary Hags have also said yesterday that's still being reviewed and he raised the possibility that they can't release it because they don't want to compromise sources and methods. Yeah, that's ridiculous.

I mean, how many videos have they released to date? I'm not sure it's like 15 or 20. They've showed the strike. It's not very hard to make sure that nothing in that video shows anything. If they showed us just the portion that we saw of those two on the boat, it's no different than any of the dozen plus videos they've already released. to mean, it seems pretty clear they don't want to release this video because they don't want people to see it because it's very, very difficult to justify.

And again, big issue here is, is President Trump's dragging us into a foreign conflict when we have domestic issues that we're supposed to be paying attention to, that we need to be paying attention to. It's directly contrary to the campaign that President Trump ran. And is this really about drugs or is it about regime change in Venezuela? Are we about to go to war with Venezuela? The president has alluded to that repeatedly over the course of the last several weeks, a couple months now. And that, too, I think, would be very, very bad for the national security interests of our country. Why?

What? Well, how has it got anything to do with national security? Well, we don't want to be dragged into war, man. America first. Well, obviously, Stepanophilus asked him immediately when he made that statement. What are you talking about? No. No? No. No, of course not. Last clip in the series. This is back to Manhans Walker with Tom Cotton.

How is a boat that's not heading to the United States an imminent threat to this country, Senator? Well, that's one possibility based on the tactics and techniques that we've observed of these drug cartels. They send smaller boats to sea, and then they link up with a larger boat before they continue their mission. I didn't hear that specifically from Admiral Bradley in my briefing. But what we know is that these drug cartels, which are designated foreign terrorist organizations, are trafficking drugs to our shores. And when we have an opportunity to strike one of these boats where the intelligence gives us high confidence that everyone on the boat is a valid target because they are associated with these cartels,

then I think we need to strike it. Now, there's other cases when we don't have that high confidence, when there might be, for instance, young girls that are being human trafficked. And obviously, our military wouldn't take that strike. I think it's much more likely that we're missing. some opportunities to strike these boats and protect Americans. Missing an opportunity. Because we don't.

We're missing an opportunity to blow up some chicks. Crap, man. We missed it. We blew it. Oh, heck Seth. I can't believe it. Strike. I think it's much more likely that we're missing some opportunities to strike these boats

and protect Americans because we don't have the same high level of confidence. Senator, is there any hard evidence that shows that this particular boat was headed to the United States. That didn't come up in my briefing. But again, there's very reliable, multiple sources of intelligence that tells us that this boat had drugs on it, that everyone on that boat was associated with these designated foreign terrorist organizations

that are trying to kill American children. But are you comfortable having the United States target a boat? So she's been co-opted by your nexus. because she knows somebody told her or she listens to our show which I don't think so she knows that

this is all about Europe and screwing them over by stopping the flow of drugs from Venezuela to Europe and she's trying to get him to admit it or to say something or to hint at it but she knows the way she's asking the question

are you sure how come the bow was headed east dude this doesn't sound like us coming our way and she's good acting coy about it but in fact she knows yeah what the deal is and he does too but he's he's not doing a good job answering no he's not well he's not a talented really that talented no no he will not get a kennedy honor for his acting capabilities no that this boat had drugs on it that everyone on that boat was associated with these designated foreign terrorist organizations that are trying to kill a American children. But are you comfortable having the United States target a boat in which you have

not seen evidence that it's actually heading to the United States, that it's an imminent threat? Any boat loaded with drugs that is crewed by associates and members of foreign terrorist organizations that are trying to kill American kids, I think is a valid target. I'm not just comfortable with it. I want to continue it. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, this kind of roles into the the national security strategy document that was released

which I had a chance to review all 33 pages and of course and it's actually it's here's a little intro to it and then we'll talk about what's in it and then the responses around the world is pretty funny

shy of a year into his second term President Trump details in this newly released national security memo how he wants to change America's relationships and responsibilities in every region of the globe. The president's top priority is connected to his months of strikes on alleged drugboats. Very soon we're going to start doing it on land too. Trump's memo states, after years of neglect, the United States will reassert and enforce the Monroe Doctrine to restore American preeminence in the Western Hemisphere.

If you're focused on America and America first, you start with your own hemisphere where we live. A big part of this is creating a larger U.S. military presence in the Western Hemisphere, particularly the Navy and Coast Guard to control sea lanes to thwart illegal and other unwanted migration, to reduce human and drug trafficking, and to control key transit routes in a crisis. Another tactic, tariffs. The president says he's prioritizing what he calls commercial diplomacy to boost American commerce while making it harder for non-hemispheric competitors to increase their influence in the region. And the White House says we should make every effort to push out foreign companies that build infrastructure in the region. The Trump administration says all of this is part of their

America first strategy, but even some of the president's own supporters argue he's too focused on foreign affairs. America first should mean America first and only Americans first. By the way, this is very interesting what they do here. That bit from Marjorie Taylor Green is from her resignation video from, what, four weeks ago, three weeks ago. So they say this. This is part of their America First strategy, but even some of the president's own supporters argue he's too focused on foreign affairs. America First.

So she's not responding to this document. That's still from three weeks ago. They make it sound like, oh, some of the president's supporters don't like it. Yeah, this is a good example of this sort of editing. Now, this is on what show? This is NBC. NBC morning show? I don't know what show it was.

It's just a report. It's a classic what's been going on. This is like the BBC editor of the Trump speech. Yes. It takes something discrepant and throw it in. It's got the same volume. You know, it sounds reasonable. It makes sense.

Makes the report sing. Yeah. The region. The Trump administration says all of this is part of their America first strategy. but even some of the president's own supporters argue he's too focused on foreign affairs. America first should mean America first. She's not a supporter. How can you even say that?

She disavowed the president. Well, she does now, but she was a supporter. I think that if you're in the editorial meeting and you got into this discussion because you'd be the guy there that would be this dick that says stuff like that. And they had her to say, well, yeah. Shut up, Curry, shut up. But basically, basically, Curry, get back to the city desk. Shut up.

She was a supporter traditionally and she represents supporters in essence. Okay. So get back to the city desk and shut up. I will. Americans first. Where the Trump administration wants America to shoulder less responsibility is Europe, claiming the continent is into climate. in part due to migration. They also accuse European leaders of having unrealistic expectations

for peace in Ukraine and argue NATO should stop expanding. This memo has much in it that should encourage Russia, which also wants to stop NATO from expanding and rejects Europe's expectations for the end of its war. Now, unlike national security memos from past administrations, President Trump says it's in America's core interest to reestablish strategic stability with Russia. Oh, what a horrible thing. My fellow Americans, he starts off. He's right. Yeah, of course he is. Over the past nine months, we have brought our nation and the world back from the brink of catastrophe and disaster. Please clap. This is what it says in the, you're reading them in the report. Yeah, it starts off. That's how it starts. Yes, this is his letter introducing the

strategy document. No administration and history has achieved so. dramatic a turnaround in so short a time. Wow. Yes. And then he goes into some wins here. And then in everything we do, we are putting America first. Better recapture that. Yeah, he's trying.

Yeah, he's trying to recapture that. So it's actually a pretty interesting document. It starts with, you know, what is American strategy? I've highlighted a few things. Are elites, are elites, badly miscalculated. America's willingness to shoulder forever global burdens to which the American people saw no connection to the national interest. They overestimated America's ability to fund simultaneously a massive welfare regulatory

administrative state alongside a massive military, diplomatic, intelligence, and foreign aid complex. I wonder who wrote this. It's unclear. I mean, I'm trying to hear, as you're reading, I'm trying to hear a voice, but definitely not Trump. Oh, no, oh no. The beginning, maybe the first couple of things. No, there's two pages that opens it up and that's signed by him.

That's his introductory. This is now the strategy document. They placed hugely misguided, destructive bets on globalism and so-called free trade that hollowed out the very middle class and industrial base on which American economic and military preeminence depend. They allowed allies. Yes. This sounds a little like Scott Bessent. Yeah, yeah, that's possible.

I think he's definitely in the mix. They allowed allies and partners to offload the cost of their defense onto the American people and sometimes to suck us into conflicts and controversies central to their interests, but peripheral or irrelevant to our own. So, you know, the whole thing is basically we really don't want any intervention or any business in these foreign wars. But that's not how it's being played in the next. news. This is Canada's global news outfit. They decided to make sure that you understand that this is all

about America killing everybody. We're going to put nat pops throughout the whole thing. Donald Trump made it clear. The United States foreign policy would change on Friday. The White House unveiled its new national security strategy. For decades, the U.S. Why? Why do we have this? It's his strategy. build its new national security strategy. For decades, the U.S. was the hub in the wheel of international security and trade. The new strategy says the days of the U.S. propping up the entire world order like Atlas are over, that the affairs of other countries are U.S. concerns only if their activities directly threaten American interests,

and the U.S. will enforce the Monroe Doctrine to restore its preeminence in the Western Hemisphere. sphere. A really popular line of argumentation is that the administration wants to go back to a more 19th century style of diplomacy with spheres of influence. President James Monroe's 1823 policy is receiving an update focusing on immigration and alleged narco-terrorism. French President Emmanuel Macron says unity between the U.S. and Europe on Ukraine is essential. A day earlier, a German person, publication leaked a transcript of a call where Macron told Germany's chancellor the U.S. could betray Ukraine. Macron denied saying that. The new U.S. strategy states it wants

Ukraine-Russia war to quickly end. This document makes it pretty clear that there will be no security guarantees for Ukraine. NATO watcher Andreas Kuz not. Says the new strategy puts allies at risk. They're much more likely to get involved in conflict because competitive powers are going to take advantage it looks like allies will have to adapt aware of the u.s. focus on security could invite more instability yeah war's coming trump's to blame what i'd like i i would like to mention something just as an aside uh james monroe who made the monroe doctor was portrayed by uh which is a funny way of you saying it by Gilbert Stewart and he is an oil painting and it's in and I saw this painting at the National Gallery

and Stewart was able to capture probably he's I don't know this guy was so talented as an artist he he had a the ability to uh really you looked at the person you swore you were looking at the guy oh and and James Monroe the picture of James Monroe By Gilbert Stewart, James Monroe is an obvious prick, a real asshole. Just by looking at him. Yeah, and it came through the painting. It was obvious the Stewart was painting it as such. And when you look at James Monroe, this guy was a prick.

And anyone who's ever seen this painting, I would agree with me. I guarantee it. We all know those kinds of people. you look at him at a party you go like you're a prick you guys are a prick and james monroe had to be a big prick and you know he's doing with the monroe doctrine i can see it what is if you were to summarize the monroe doctrine what would you say we have uh preeminence over all the affairs of the entire hemisphere

the entire western hemisphere is ours that's basically that is that's pretty much in the documents It does, and not, doesn't say it's ours, but it does. But what I like about it. It's ours, it's ours at least influentially and for all practical purposes, it's ours. And people can't mess around in this area without permission. Get off my turf, exactly. What I like about this document is, first of all, it's very readable.

Everybody should grab a copy. It's on the whitehouse.gov website. It's very readable. the second section. What should the United States want? What do we want overall? Well, that's, if you were to say, if you were to answer that question, what would you say? What do you want? We want to be left alone. That's pretty much what it says. First and foremost, we want the continued survival and safety of the United States as an independent sovereign republic whose government secures the God-given natural rights of its citizens and prioritizes their well-being and, interests. We want to protect this country, its people, its territory, its economy, and its way of life from military attack and hostile foreign influence, Britain, summarizing. We want full control over our borders. We want a resilient national infrastructure that can withstand natural

disasters, resist and thwart foreign threats. We want to recruit, train, equip, and field the world's most powerful, lethal, and technologically advanced military to protect our interest, deter wars, and if necessary, win them quickly. And, We want the world's most robust, credible, and modern nuclear deterrent, plus next-generation missile defenses, including a golden dome for the American homeland. And we want the world's strongest, most dynamic, most innovative, and most advanced economy. We want the world's most, I'm skipping over parts. We want the world's most robust industrial base so we can meet peacetime and wartime production demands,

cultivating American industrial strength, highest priority and national economic policy, robust, productive, innovative energy sector, want to remain the world's most scientifically in technology advanced and innovative country, protect our intellectual property from foreign theft, we want to maintain our unrivaled soft power, this is interesting, which we exercise positive influence throughout the world that furthers our interests. we will be unapologetic about our country's past and present while respectful of other countries differing, different, differing religions, cultures, and governing systems. It's very clear in this document.

It's like, hey, everybody should just be what they want to be. You do you and we'll do us. And for sure, there's no, we're going to go spread democracy. There's none of that. Yeah, that's got to end. Finally, we want the restoration and reinvigoration of American spiritual and cultural health. We want an America that cherishes its past glories and its heroes and looks forward to a new golden age with the Golden Dome.

We want people who are proud, happy, and optimistic. Well, that's not the troll room. We want a gainfully employed citizenry with no one sitting on the sidelines, but none of this can be accomplished without growing numbers of strong traditional families that raise healthy children. You really can't argue with this document.

But yes, what do we want from the world? We want to ensure that the Western Hemisphere remains reasonably stable and well-governed enough to prevent and discourage mass migration to the United States. So it's all about the Western Hemisphere. Let me see. I highlighted everything, but we really don't need to go through all of it. But it really is production.

We want a strong middle class. The soft power comes back, returning economic freedom to our citizens via historic tax cuts deregulatory efforts, making the United States a premier place to do business, investing in emerging technologies, and basic science. Science.

Let's see. Oh, yeah. The strategy. President Trump's foreign policy is pragmatic without being pragmatist. Pragmatic without being pragmatist. What does that even mean? Can you decipher that? I know.

Oh, it goes on. Realistic without being realist, principled without being idealistic, muscular without being hawkish, and restrained without being dovish. Oh, somebody got cute. That's a chat GPT. No, that's not chat GPT.

That's somebody that whoever's the poet or considers themselves to be a poet. And there's one of them in the cabinet. Who is that? I don't know, but I guarantee there's always one. You take 10 people, one of them is always a poet. I bet you's Miller. Stephen Miller's probably a closet poet.

Oh, that's, you know, that's a good, out of the blue, out of the blue guess. Yeah. Not bad. Stephen Miller with the tick. Well, here it is. This kind of gives their way. It is not grounded in traditional political ideology. It is motivated above all by what works for America or in two words.

America first. Do you get it? We're America first, people. Tucker, we're America first. Candace, we're America first. What's the weenie boy's name? Fuentes. Fuentes, we're America first.

Fuentes has got the hats. He's got the hats. Yeah, it's got the hats. Fairness, pro-American worker. Era of mass migration is over. These are just the bullet points. protection of core rights and liberties, burden sharing and burden shifting. This is the NATO stuff.

President Trump has set a new global standard with the Hague commitment, which pledges NATO countries suspend 5% of GDP. We already got that. The model will be targeted partnerships that use economic tools to align incentives, share burdens, and like-minded allies, and insist on reforms that anchor long-term stability. balanced trade, securing access to critical supply chains. Is that in the document?

It says Raspberry here. Reviving our defense industrial banks, energy dominance, Western Hemisphere, the Trump corollary to the Monroe Doctrine. Corollary? What is corollary? It means it's a policy that runs parallel. They could have said parallel. Well, they know it wouldn't work in that sentence.

And it's a nice word. We will deny non-hemispheric competitors the ability to position forces or other threatening capabilities or to own or control strategically vital assets in our hemisphere. You're right. Don't mess with the West. Our goals for the Western Hemisphere can be summarized as enlist and expand. We will enlist established friends. You hear that, Britain?

You could be enlisted. Right now you're on the outs. in the hemisphere to control migration, stop drug flows and strengthen stability and security on land and sea. Let's see. We must reconsider

our military presence. Yes, a readjustment of our global military presence. It's all going towards the South China Sea. Europe, you can go pound sand if you can't figure out Russia. We're moving out. Okay. Let's see what else is that.

It's not easier said than done. Possibly. So they definitely want to work with China, but it has to be fair, fair and balanced. Let me see. What else do we have? There's a lot of blah, blah, blah in here. Fair conventionally.

Oh, yeah. A favorable conventional military balance reminds reminds an essential component of strategic competition. There is rightly much focus on Taiwan, partly because of Taiwan's dominance of semiconductor production, but mostly, mostly, because Taiwan provides direct access to the second island chain and splits northeast and southeast Asia into two distinct theaters. Finally, someone's just set it straight up.

That's what it's about. Given the one-third of global shipping passes through the South China Sea, this has major implications for the U.S. economy. Hence, a deterring conflict over Taiwan, ideally by preserving military overmatch is priority. We will also maintain a longstanding declaratory policy on Taiwan, meaning the United States does not support any unilateral change to the status quo in the Taiwan straight. It's never been about Taiwan.

It's about the shipping lanes. And that's why we're spending a lot of money on ships, big, beautiful ships. It's the first. Well, there's a little bit about Taiwan because that TMS, the Taiwan semiconductor manufacturing company. Those guys are, that's a valuable asset. Yes. But the first island chain, that's really what we will harden and strengthen our military presence in the Western Pacific. While in our dealings with Taiwan and Australia, we maintain our determined rhetoric on increased defense spending, which means we're not giving you anything.

It's just rhetoric. That's funny. Then it goes into Europe. Europe, you suck. Without us, you're lost. Stop letting immigrants in. Ukraine. Horrible ideas.

the administration finds itself at odds with European officials who hold unrealistic expectations for the war perched in unstable minority governments, many of which trample on basic principles of democracy to oppress opposition. It really is. If anyone else had written it up, if Fuentes had written up this document,

I'd vote for him as president. It truly is an America first document. It's good. And it's a very easy read. Let's hear how CBS took this. Okay, the president now says he's concerned about, quote, civilizational erasure in Europe. He made, in Europe.

I don't think he's concerned. He's predicting it in the document. He's not saying, gee, I'm really worried about that. He said, no, if you guys don't shape up, you're going to be done in 20 years. He made the claim in a document title, National Security Strategy of the United States of America. The president added, should present trends continue, the continent, meaning Europe, will be unrecognizable in 20 years or less,

As such, it is far from obvious whether certain European countries will have economies and military strong enough to remain reliable allies. What was the impetus for this and what do we know about what some are saying in reaction to this story, including maybe what we've heard from our European allies? Yeah, good morning, Vlad. Well, to start, this is a document that the president typically puts out during the first year of a term outlining the administration's national states. security priorities. But if you read the document and you just read a portion of it, you might

remember that speech that the president gave back in September before the UN General Assembly. It sounds some of the information language in this document sounds a lot like that in criticizing European countries for migration policies. It also accuses the European Union and other transnational bodies of undermining political liberty and sovereignty. And the document goes on to say that the U.S. goal should be to help Europe correct its current trajectory. Now, the BBC reports that European politicians have already begun to react to this, with Germany's foreign minister saying his country does not need outside advice.

Okay, so let's listen to the report from the European Union reacting to this document. European leaders are choosing calm over confrontation. Even as the US strategy paper delivers one of the sharpest critiques of the EU in years, most officials seem intent on keeping tensions with Washington contained. The bloc's top diplomats even downplaying some of the criticism. Europe has been underestimating its own power towards Russia, for example. I mean, we should be more self-confident. That's for sure.

And, you know... This, by the way, was the Doha Conference, which... Just popped up out of the blue. Guess who was sitting second row in the Doha conference? Who? Tucker. Tucker was there? Yeah.

The Qatar Doha conference. Yeah. Well, you know, there was a big, one of the right-wing talk show, radio talk show host, and I can't remember which one it was, was going on and on and on about how Tucker, oh, no, it was, I know who it was. Mark Levin It was Mark Levin Ladies and gentlemen

And he went on and on And on and on Because they have a feud That Tucker was His number one Financers are the Qataris And the whole Tucker news network Or Tucker Carlson Network

Whatever he calls Tucker's gold His network of Is all controlled by the Qataris Who will control And Savage, actually, the way he went on and on about this was as if he was a little jealous at all this money's flying around from the Qataris. They'll throw it at anybody that wants it, except him. He refuses to take it.

I refuse to take it. We'll take it. Yeah, we'll take it. Hello, Qatar. Where's our Qatari money? Jeez. Where's our Doha, do people? Where's our Doha Doe?

Also, the agency is not pointing up recently. so just to say but there's no evidence of and he in fact he says quite the opposite he says that's ridiculous on its face but i do find that he is that he pops up there yeah it's like yeah it makes more sense that he's sponsored by Qatar i think there's the same you know the amy goodman show has got some eastern year or some middle east money i think it's bahar rains i understand i can't remember But, yeah, it makes sense that Qatar would be bought and paid for Tucker. Might be, but, again, no evidence, but... No evidence, but there he is.

I mean, we should be more self-confident. That's for sure. And, you know, U.S. is still our biggest ally. And there, I read it as well, that we are still the biggest ally. In Germany, the response was slightly firmer, the country's foreign minister, making it clear. he didn't need external input on policy. Of course, our alliance is based on shared values, but I believe that issues such as freedom of expression

or the organization of free societies here, at least in Germany, do not belong in this context. The people who literally arrest you if you say something negative about a politician on Facebook. Oh, yeah, okay. Nor do we believe that anyone needs to give us advice on these matters. But no prominent leaders.

have slammed Trump for the scathing 30... They have no one has slammed him. What kind of reporting is that? No prominent leaders have slammed him. What kind of reporting is that? That's what I just said. It's not reporting. That's really bizarre to say it that way.

No one has slammed him. This is France 24. Or do we believe that anyone needs to give us advice on these matters. But no prominent leaders have slammed Trump for the scathing 33-pays. document that accuses European countries of a so-called civilizational erasure. Preserving the transatlantic alliance appears to be top priority and most likely fear hitting back won't play in their favour. Analysts say the lack of outcry comes down to the fact that these criticisms aren't new. Vice President J.D. Vance delivered a blistering attack on European governments in Munich earlier this

year. Their impacts will be tested as crucial elections loom across the continent. So the one thing that you might have caught in that earlier clip is this leaked phone call between Zelensky and pretty much all the big muckety mucks of the EU. Queen Ursula, Macron, Ruta was in there, Mr. Peepers from Germany. All of these people are on the call with Zelensky. Yeah, Peepers, Mr. Peepers. And I defy anyone, find a report about this. I saw some vloggers and some YouTubers talking about it. But I could the own, so I went to, you know, what I do is go to YouTube and I say, leaked phone call.

And you get a whole list of which the first 15 are AI only with words on the screen. Stop hitting the drum. Sorry, just emphasizing your points. No, it sounds random. If you could, if you could emphasize them, oh, by the way, Tina showed me these drumsticks. Yeah. And it's just drumsticks. But the drumsticks that make noise?

Yes. And you can, you can hit a symbol and in the air, it'll hit a symbol. I got to get it. Oh, you can do it in the air? Yeah, yeah. You don't have to hit anything. No, you just like, you know, I guess it has the position of the high hat and the, and the snare. And then you can go over, you can hit the symbols.

Where's the sound? But where's the sound come from? Oh, USB. There's separate speakers? USB. You plug it into something. Yeah. Sounds like a perfect.

I want a pair. Me too. It's going to be on the show. To annoy you. We'll be drumming the whole time. It'll be a drum battle. Okay. So had you heard about this call that got leaked?

It sounds like Russia. Well, yeah. It's total tit for tat. Oh. you're going to release this call with what was the one we had recently with Whitkoff oh yeah the Whitkoff call oh so it might it might be us oh it could be it could well it's either us or Russia or I mean who else does this well the reason that I say it's us is because the networks wouldn't touch it

us as in this was oh yeah they wouldn't touch it Trump's guys no one touched it I couldn't find a single report. Times of India. That's all I got. And I'm pretty sure it's an AI voice to boot. But at least this is the story. French President Emmanuel Macron has reportedly raised alarm over Ukraine, warning that U.S. President Donald Trump might be on the verge of betraying Kiev. This comes from a leaked transcript of a private call between European leaders published by Der Spiegel. The call held on Monday included leaders such as Macron, German Chancellor Friedrich Mertz, Finnish President Alexander Stubb, NATO Secretary General Mark Routi, Ukrainian president, Routi, Routi, Routi, and others.

They discussed U.S.-led peace negotiations with both Kiv and Moscow, as tensions remain high in the ongoing war. According to Dershigel, Macron said there was a real risk that the U.S. could make decisions on Ukraine's territory without clear security guarantees, warning of a great danger for Zelensky. Danger. McCrone's office later clarified that he did not use the word betray, but the concerns over Ukraine's security were clear.

German Chancellor Mertz also weighed in, reportedly telling the group that Zelensky must be extremely careful in the coming days. He appeared to be referring to U.S. envoys Steve Whitkoff and Jared Kushner, who had spent five hours in talks with Russian President Vladimir Putin the day before. The two envoys are scheduled to meet Ukraine's lead negotiator, Rustam Umarov in Miami on Thursday. Finland's president, Stubb, agreed. Finland.

The Ukraine could not be left alone with these U.S. negotiators, a point echoed by NATO Secretary General Routé, who stressed the need to protect Zelensky. The call came after the Trump administration circulated a 28-point peace plan, reportedly drafted with input from Russia. Dershbeagle says the plan was criticized for being too favorable to Moscow, prompting updated talks in Geneva and a revised 19-point plan. Russia has not agreed to this plan and continues to demand that Ukraine give up large parts of its eastern territory, limit its military, and hold new elections.

The way I hear this, it's almost like, let's say we have a $100 million budget movie, and it's not working out. Our main guy is, our main actor, he's attached to the project. he's he you know he's not working out and he's an alcoholic so all cokehead and so all of the producers get on the phone with him say man hey hey we can't hey you can't go to that meeting alone you can't go no we have to have people there this whole thing it's they're just dripping in weakness and they just want continued war it's unconscionable what these people are doing that's where I like the McGregor clips I played in the last show where you said these guys are through

when this war is over. Yeah. Yeah. They're not popular. The Germany's going to go AFD eventually. They have to. There's no question about it. The British and they are screwed over. They can't say anything on social media without getting thrown in jail. The French are completely out of touch with everybody and out of control. And they're a bunch of communists to be honest about it. At least they have nuclear power. I'll give them that. They still have that. Yeah, well, so the Brits. Well, they haven't started

up a reactor in since the 60s, I think. Oh, you're talking about power. Yeah. Oh, no, I'm talking about nuclear power. Yeah. Yeah. Power reactors. Yeah, they do, and they haven't, they haven't freaked out and shut them all down like idiots. Final clip. Although they wanted to, and I think there's been discussion

about it. In France, yes. Yeah. Final clip in this series. This is another salvo. The message is clear. Washington wants Europe to shoulder more of its own defense. Reuters report says the Pentagon told European diplomats that nations have until 2027 to take over most of NATO's defense capabilities.

That's everything from intelligence to missiles and troop deployments, roles the U.S. has dominated for decades. If they don't, the U.S. could decide to stop participating in some NATO defense coordination mechanisms. The Trump administration's pressure on NATO allies is nothing new. In March, Trump had already questioned whether he'd defend countries that don't spend enough. Well, I've said that to them. I said, if you're not going to pay, we're not going to defend. I said that seven years ago. And because of that, they paid hundreds of billions of dollars. I said, if you're not going to pay your bills, we're not going to defend you.

The Pentagon staff who set the deadline haven't laid out how the U.S. would measure Europe's progress. European officials say 2027 is unrealistic. Even the EU's own 2030 target for military self-reliance is seen as ambitious and many key US capabilities can't be replaced quickly. Washington's relationship with NATO runs hot and cold. Back in June, Trump was applauding European leaders for backing a plan to raise defence spending to 5% of GDP. But in the month since, he's shown a willingness to negotiate with Russia over the war in Ukraine and his deputy secretary of state told NATO foreign ministers this week, it was obvious Europe should take primary

responsibility for its own security. Well, there you go. Another salvo, careful. We're going to pull out again. Well, yeah, this is going to be up to Lockheed Martin.

Yeah. Lucky Martin, you know, the money stops coming in and they have to rethink their... Locky just got their biggest missile defense contract ever. Yeah, it's good for them. That's for the Golden Dome. Yeah, it is.

I'm sure they can find out the ways to waste money. Yeah, yeah. All right. You know, did you know that Liz Trust? We had her on the previous episode. Do you know that she has started a podcast? Oh, God. Yeah.

Who hasn't? Yeah, but it's interesting. because she is going against the nexus and I'll have the promo here. Well, she probably should be because she got screwed. That's exactly what she says in her promo for the Liz Trust show. In 2022, I was deposed from the office of Prime Minister of Great Britain. I tried to save our country from the doom loop it is now in. We set out a vision for a low tax, high-growth economy that would take advantage of the freedoms of Brexit.

I was blamed for a market crisis that was not my fault. The Deep State and their allies in the media and politics tried to destroy me because I challenged their decades-long failure. Now I'm back. I will expose the people who brought me down. I will take on the deep state. I will tell the truth about what is happening in our country and across the West. Tune in to the Liz Trust show every Friday.

tune in to the counter revolution. The counter revolution. It starts here. I get a hold of Orlowski and find out what the deal is here. He'll know. Yeah, you keep threatening to call him, but you keep forgetting. I call him about once a year. I'll call him.

This is too good to be, this is too good. It's going to be great. He'll know exactly what's going. He was a, I think, I believe he was a trust. A trust. A trust fan. Well, she's welcome into the podverse. It could be fine.

Talking about the Piedverse. I've got a clip here that is for you specifically. Oh, boy. It's a little sidestep here. This is a way for you to save face. Save face in what way? Well, if you play this clip, you'll know what I'm talking about and you will bring up the point that somebody keeps making with you.

And here we go with the clip is mispronounce from NPR. Let me guess. Does this have anything to do with you? than an Air Force base? Well, the clip doesn't. It's just a basic clip about mispronouncing words. Anyone who has been embarrassed about mispronouncing a word or

worse, a name, can rest assured that they're in good company. Newscasters, politicians, and other public figures tripped over plenty of words this year. In fact, there's a list thanks to the language teachers at Babel and the people at the captioning group who add closed captions to

screens. At the top of their list of the most mispronounced words is very common pain killer. Acidam, well, let's see how we say that. Acidam. Acidomenephine. Acidomenephine, President Trump isn't alone in stumbling over all those mushy vowels. Watching us all get tripped up this year is Estevan Touma, a linguist and cultural expert

at Babel. And just to note, Babel is one of our sponsors. Welcome. And first, I mean, did I get your name right? Well, that sounds like the perfect pronunciation in Spanish, but I'll let you know. last name is from Palestine, so it's actually pronounced Tuma. Tuma, Esteban, Tuma. Esteban, now it's your turn. Why don't you read the list for us? Well, I will start by telling you, I'm not a native speaker of English myself. And so keep that

in mind as I pronounce these words. And the disclaimer from me, Esteban, because English is also my second language. So we're in the same boat. You know the struggle. You know how it feels. So So we have Aceta Minifan, Alec Murdoch, Denzel, Washington, Louvre, Monjaro, the Swedish Hollywood actor, Alexander Scarscurd, and of course, Soran Mandani. And Zoran Mamdani's name tripped people up all year long as he ran for mayor of New York City. And sometimes he got testy about it. The name is Mamdani. M-A-M-A-M-D-A-N-I. You should learn how to say it.

It's hard to imagine, right, that we're going to collectively get Mamdani right next year. I mean, people still mispronounce Vladimir Putin all the time. Putin. Voladimir. Yes. Putin. Putin is my favorite. It's my not.

My not. I got it, people. By the way, I have no qualms. I make mistakes all the time. And then people are, I can't believe that you mispronounce, my not. got, yep. I can hear that voice, too. Not everybody. Some were very kind about it. No. But yes. Some were kind about it. But some were like, I'm not donating anymore. Because you can't pronounce my not. It's all good. Yeah. It's my second language. What can I tell you?

Yeah. That's pretty good. you're pretty good for a second language speaker yeah all right i'm waiting for you to pick up one of your stories here because you have the immigration crackdown analysis i got the south african shooting i kind of like it's only two clips but i like it because it's thematic there's a big shooting that took place in south africa and the thematic part i'll give it away right away i'm not even going to have to make anybody guess south africa has the strictest gun gun control in the world police in south africa are investigating a mass shooting overnight at a Shabin, an illegal bar in a hostel in Salisville,

a township west of the capital Pretoria. In all 25 people were shot, the fatalities included children. The BBC Southern Africa correspondent, Shingai Nyoka, described to be what happened. What police say is that unidentified gunmen, three of them, stormed into an illegal bar in a hostel, just west of the capital, Pretoria, at about 430. AM and opened fire, randomly shooting everybody that was in this illegal bar. Ten people died on the scene. One died in hospital earlier on, and we've just been notified that a 12th person has died. So all in all, a dozen people have died.

14 people were injured. But I think the tragedy is that amongst the fatalities, there was a three-year-old, a 12-year-old, and a 16-year-old. At this point, police say that they don't know what the motive might have been and they haven't identified the gunman or carried out any arrests. Do we know anything about the people who are living in the hostel? No, but these hostels are colonial era built structures. So they're typically single rooms that are overcrowded, squalid. A lot of people are people that are economically disadvantaged. It's not clear who exactly they were, whether they were South Africans or whether they were foreigners but one eyewitness account said that around about 4.30 in the morning they just

heard a volley of rounds that were fired and that that shooting went on for a long period of time and that the children had to scramble under the beds as they waited for all of this to end. Yeah, sounds pretty bad actually. Yeah, it's not covered very much by any of our media. Our media doesn't even cover this. It's noted that the mainstream media here has not even covered the Somali scandal in Minnesota, the billions of dollars being scammed. That's not true.

I have clips from ABC, NBC or CBS? CBS, yes, CBS. Well, let's play the second part of this clip and you can go to that. Yeah, I mean, it's shocking for people in South Africa to hear this, although shootings in illegal bars are not unusual, I gather. No, and the police. had actually launched a crackdown on these Shabines between April and September this year,

they shut down 12,000 and arrested 18,000 people across the country. But these are set up to help people make ends meet. And so as soon as they're closed, they reopened again. And this is, as you say, is not the first shooting in 2022. About 16 people were killed in Soweto in a similar type mass shooting last year. 18 people, including 15 women, were shot in the Eastern Cape. It's really what a government official in South Africa has described as part of a broader crime emergency. And a broader crime emergency that involves a high murder rate in global terms?

Absolutely. South Africa has one of the highest murder rates in the world. On average, 60 people are killed every day. A lot of them are killed by illegal guns, even though South Africa does have very strict. gun controls. It's something that the government has grappled with and as we're witnessing here today has really failed to bring under control. Well, that was some Africa news. We lost half the audience. Yeah. Well, it was a lot of murder and violence. I think that would help keep them. No, no, no. By the way, I'm copying the troll room transcript. I'm going to make a song out of it.

We need that. Oh, you're going to use the... Yeah, the AI to make a song from the transcript of the chat room. Yeah, it'll be unsuitable for air, but at least I'll have it. Yeah. But it will be suitable for our air. Regarding the Minnesota massive, massive fraud, Margaret Brennan from CBS this morning in... Oh, I'm just saying the news broadcast didn't carry it.

Margaret Brennan doesn't count. Well, she brought on Elon Omar to just to just, she could be the apologist for the whole thing. It's pretty interesting. And we're joined now by Minnesota Democratic Congresswoman Ilhan Omar. Welcome to the program. Thank you. We have a lot to get to with you, but I want to pick up on where the Treasury Secretary just left off. He alleged that people who were tied to you or your campaign.

Hold on a second. I actually have that clip. Let's play Bessent here talking about. talking about the Somalis here. The president told you, though, this week, to look into Somalis who, quote, ripped off that state for billions of dollars.

He said they contribute nothing. What exactly are you investigating? Well, Margaret, to be clear, the initial fraud was discovered by the IRS, for which I'm the acting commissioner, is discovered by IRS criminal investigations unit.

This was not an endogenous thing that the state of Minnesota or this endogenous? What? Did he say endogenous? That's what I heard. Indigenous, I think, is what he means to say, but he says... Well, I don't know. Is there a word such as endogenous? Well, look it up.

Criminal Investigations Unit, this was not an endogenous thing that the state of Minnesota decided we had to go in and clean up the mess for them. And this is part of the continued cleanup. A lot of money has been transferred from the individuals who committed this fraud, including those who donated to the government, governor donated to Omar and donated to A.G. Ellison.

But they've been transferred to something called MBSs. And those are... Mortgage back security. What do you mean? Sorry? Transfer to what? These are money,

the Bureau services, and they are wire transfer organizations that are outside the regulated banking system. And that money has gone overseas. And we are tracking that the both to the Middle East and the Somalia

to see what the uses of that had been. Okay, but you have no evidence of that money being used to fuel terrorism at this point which is what some conservative writers are alleged. That's why it's an... Moving the goalposts, Margaret Brennan, but it's not going to terrorists, right? They stole it from the

American taxpayer. Well, but it's not going to terrorists, is it? By the way, I think he said endogenous. Endogenous refers to something that originates or is produced from within a system, organism, or entity, rather than being introduced from an external source. So once again... Indogenous, which is similar to indigenous.

Yes. So best... What's the difference with those two words then? Well, indigenous as a peoples and endogenous is a thing. Institutions. Yeah. But you have no evidence of that money. I've never, you know what?

I've never heard that word in my life. maybe he's the poet that's what I'm well maybe there you go yeah he could be the poet being used to fuel terrorism at this point which is what some conservative writers are alleged that's why it's an investigation we started

it last week we'll see where it goes but I can tell you that you know it's terrible you know the representative Omar tried to downplay it to said oh it was very it was very tough to know how this money should Hold on a second.

Is this guy a nervous wrecked over this issue or what? He does not sound himself. He always, well, whenever he, yes. Is he choking because Margaret's so powerful woman? Yes. Yes, that's the issue. She was gaslighting the American people. Well, we'll talk to her.

Yeah. But, you know, when you come to this country, you've got to learn which side of the road to drive on. You've got to learn to stop the stop signs. And you've got to learn the not to defraising. the American people. Welcome to America. Welcome to America. This sign means stop. This is a red light means

stop. And don't steal from us. Welcome to America. Okay, now we go to Elon Omar. And we're joined now by Minnesota Democratic Congresswoman, Ilhan Omar. Welcome to the program. Thank you. We have a lot to get with you, but I want to pick up on where the Treasury Secretary just left off.

Can you start that over? Can you start the clip over? Because did she say, thank you, my good friend? Oh, did she say that? I don't know. That's what I wanted to hear it again. I'm Ilhan Omar. Welcome to the program.

Thank you, Margaret. We have a lot to get to with you, but I want to get to with you, but I want to pick up on where the Treasury Secretary just left off. He alleged that people who were tied to you or your campaign were involved in this broad, brazen scheme to rip off the Minnesota state welfare system. Do you want to respond to that? Do you know what he is referring to? I really don't, and I don't think the secretary himself understands what he's referring to. We obviously had people who were able to donate to our campaign that were involved. We sent that money back a couple years ago.

And actually, I was one of the first members of Congress to send a letter to the Secretary of Egg, asking them to look into what I thought was a reprehensible fraud that was occurring. within the program. Yeah, so we got busted and I sent the money back. It should be done. This was all, stop it. Besant, Besson knows more. Besson is very involved in all these things. Let's see how this continues. So this was just for our audience, the Binary Justice Department called it the largest COVID fraud scheme in the country. And this was pocketing COVID-era welfare funds, more than a billion dollars in taxpayer money that was stolen. It was pretty, pretty shocking shocking which we knew about this everybody knew about this the the potto sphere knew about this

this was during biden we were talking about it nothing happened so now things are happening that's kind of good of the 87 people charged all but eight are of Somali descent garbage has added to the spotlight being put specifically on your community um community why do you think this fraud was allowed to get so widespread. No, because I allowed it to. I want to say, you know, this also has... Oh, oh, oh, let's not answer the question. Wow, that's a good step aside.

Let's hear the question again. Why do you think this fraud was allowed to get so widespread? I want to say, you know, this also has an impact on Somalis because we are also taxpayers in in Minnesota. We also could have benefited from the program and the money that was stolen. And so it's been really frustrating for people to not acknowledge the fact that we're, you know, we're also, as Minnesotaans, as taxpayers, really upset and angry about the fraud that has occurred. We're victims. What are you talking about, Margaret? We're the victim here. You're getting it all wrong in this.

brazen scheme. So do you think, though, that there was a failure by the Democratic state? Hold on a second again. So she, what you just said would have been, she could have actually pulled that off by saying we're being tarnished by a few bad apples. There are over 100,000 Somalians. We got 80 people. So what is this to spit in the bucket? Who were these other eight people that weren't Somalians? You're making us look bad. I mean, she could have gone that way. She didn't. She didn't. No, she didn't.

She's not that bright. No. So do you think, though, that there was a failure by the Democratic state government to police itself? This is a brazen, fraudulent activity here. Yeah. And that is what I alluded to in my letter that I'd sent to the Secretary of Egg was to see where things. Who is the Secretary of Egg? This is the Secretary of Egg is a chicken farmer.

It's in the middle of nowhere, Minnesota. I think it's a show title, Secretary of Egg, all right. It was to see where things were going wrong. How can this amount of money disappear fraudulently without there being alarms being? Oh, it's your fault for not noticing it. Oh, okay. And it is something that, you know, we have to continue to investigate. We have to continue to ask those questions.

Yes, we have to continue. I have to say, I give her an eight, an eight plus maybe even on how she's dealing with this. Hey, you should have caught this. This is not our fault. Because, as you know, one of the initial defenses by the organization at the heart of the fraud feeding our future was to claim the probe was due to racism. Do you think that this was all about negligence or that it was like political fear of alienating the Somali community?

Trump! So you have to remember that the women, who let the program is a Caucasian woman. And that was her way of making sure that this would continue to happen by using whatever rhetoric that was available to her. We do know that when the money was stopped, they did sue the AG, Attorney General Keith Ellison defended the department in that lawsuit. It was a judge that said that money should continue to go out. And so this wasn't something that people were not looking at. There was always those alarms.

And we will continue to understand where things might have gone wrong as these investigations continue. And as these fraudsters are prosecuted and sent to jail. And then the final clip, which has some nice laugh tells in it. It's going to have impact for your community because we've already heard that the head of Medicare and Medicaid say they're going to have a new policy that applies to Minnesota. You heard the Treasury Secretary say they're investigating, but there's another threat here

because House Republicans and the Treasury Secretary just now talked about a link to terrorism, a possible link. He said they're just now beginning to look into it. How confident are you that that's a false claim? I'm pretty confident at the moment

because I'm pretty confident. I'm pretty confident at the moment because there are people who have been prosecuted and who have been sentenced. If there was a linkage in the money that they had stolen going to terrorism, then that is a failure of the FBI and our court system in not figuring that out and basically charging them with these charges. And so I do know that for many years, this sort of like alarm that there is money being transferred through the airport in bags and going to terrorism has all that accusation has always existed. There's never been here and there in those accusations. Never been here and there.

But if that means the case, if money from U.S. tax dollars is being sent to help with terrorism in Somalia, We want to know. And we want those people prosecuted. And we want to make sure that that doesn't ever happen again. Again. Yeah. We'll see. I think she's a bit on the ropes.

She comes across very confidently, though. She does that pretty well. Yeah. Yeah. Well, there's another big thing going on, the big deal. I think this is probably top of the news is the hepatitis. B. Ah, can I set it up with a, with a positioning clip here?

Yes, absolutely. Okay, hold on a second. Yes, this, this is a big deal. Yeah, hold on a second. I have two. Yeah, two. We start with the, yeah, this is the, actually, because they had the hearing and they, you know,

they're talking to people on Capitol Hill, I'll start with this clip. This is Aaron Siri. He's a lawyer who testified. Initially, this was about, or this also involves the 1986 immunity clause for pharmaceutical companies. So they cannot get sued if their product hurts you or kills you. Right.

Coincidentally, that's in 1986 is when the hepatitis V vaccine. Oh, yeah. When it was invented, it was from 81, I believe. But in 86, when they started pushing it out there, I went to see my doctor about it back in the day. And he said, and if he looks at me, he says, why? Why do you want this vaccine? Are you working with blood?

Here's the lawyer. Why do we need the 1986 Act if vaccines are so safe too? Why does a product need immunity if it doesn't cause harm? And why does products that have been on the market for day? Why do products that have been in the market for decades, like the hepatitis B vaccine, still need that immunity. Do we still not know they're safe enough to lift the immunity on those products? Look, drug products that are very limited markets, tiny markets,

that are given to very few people that have really bad adverse event profiles, can still be sold profitably. Why? Pharma companies typically need to do two things. Number one, they need to make the product the safe, it's technologically feasible. And by doing so, they avoid design defect claims, which is the primary way you hold a company. accountable for harms from their product.

The type of claim you can never bring for our childhood vaccine. The second way is they disclose the risks that product can cause, and hence they avoid failure to warn claims. Those are the two primary claims that would be levied against a pharmaceutical company. I do not

understand, well, I shouldn't say that. It's not true. There's probably a reason that this immunity still needs to continue for these products. And pretending that that reason doesn't exist is not going to make the problem any better. And it's not going to safeguard the kids that are injured by these products.

And that's, it's really so simple. It's almost as simple as why do I need to stay away from you if you've been vaccinated against COVID? Aren't you protected? Safe and effective. Well, if it's safe and effective, why don't you stand by your product? It's very simple what he's saying. Here's ABC to lead into your analysis clips. Today, a major reversal from the CDC.

an advisory committee voting to no longer recommend the hepatitis B vaccine for newborns of moms that test negative. The reversal putting an end to a recommendation that has been in place for over 30 years. It was voted on by a panel put in place by HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who has long-pushed vaccine conspiracies. It's sad that there are people on this committee who didn't bring up any of the real world benefits. Former CDC chief of vaccines, Dimitri Daskalakis, resigned for. from the committee earlier this year. I think that what you're seeing is ideology, supplanting science, conspiracy supplanting process. He slammed the move, saying it will create confusion.

Access remains the same, but creates doubt, confusion, and will result in more children getting hepatitis B. And ultimately, then, getting chronic hepatitis B, 90% of them will if they're infected, and 25% of them will die early. He'll die. The Republican Senator Bill Cassidy, who voted to confirm Kennedy, also rebuking, the decision. Writing, as a liver doctor who has treated patients with hepatitis B for decades, this change to the vaccine schedule is a mistake. The hepatitis B vaccine is safe and effective.

The birth dose is a recommendation, not a mandate. Acting CDC director Jim O'Neill is expected to sign off on the recommendation, which should not affect insurance coverage of the shot. But the recommendation now says vaccine decisions should be made in consultation with a doctor. mainly if the mother tests negative, who can then decide when or if to vaccinate their child for the highly infectious disease. So what has changed? What's changed is instead of demanding or just putting it on a schedule

and you have to take it. Apparently not true. Apparently not true. But that's the image that you have. Yes, yes. It's on the schedule. You get the shot. It's no questions asked.

to they've changed that to well what do you think ask a question what do you think is it oh you the doctor coach said i think you should get oh yeah absolutely yeah because i get a piece of the action kennedy's an anti-vaxer are you you not going to listen to an anti-vaxxer are you he's been spreading conspiracies about vaccines for decades you're not going to listen to him you want to listen to him or you're a doctor so there's the same kind of reporting only the npr did a they did made it longer and they brought in a bunch of people to bitch and moan but the question on my mind which is the other three clips i've got here are from the bbc what is the bbc world service concentrating on this for because it's obviously part of a world thing

well well this is this hepatitis b vaccine isn't from british pharmaceutical company does one guy it's attributed to one person no but i mean who manufactures it well i don't know i'd have to look once you look it up what we'd play yeah vax hep be horror. To the United States now where President Trump has ordered officials to review all childhood vaccination recommendations. The committee which advises the health secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. was reconstituted in the summer. Critics have accused Mr. Kennedy, who has a record of vaccine skepticism, of removing scientists who disagree. He insists he's just trying to challenge group think in public health policy. I love the, has a record. He has a record of vaccine skepticism.

makes it sound like, you know, he's been arrested for it or something. He's got a record. That's a good boy. He's got a record. The advisory committee is now recommended that newborns should no longer be vaccinated against hepatitis B. It should be a matter of choice for individual parents. Well, Jason Schwartz is Associate Professor of Health Policy at the Yale School of Public Health and an expert on vaccination.

Professor Schwartz, thank you for being with us on NewsA. Let's start with this recommendation. What does it actually amount to? Hold on a second again. Notice the way he, if you back it up just a little bit. Notice the way he says recommendation with unbelievable British disdain. Yes. On News, out. Let's start with this recommendation.

Recommendation. What does it actually amount to? What difference does it potentially make to the approach that's been recommended thus far? That's great to be with you. These recommendations that come from this advisory committee have set the standard. for how vaccines have been used in the United States for the 60 years that this committee has been in effect. So it really shapes the ways in which physicians and other health care providers and most importantly parents think about how to use vaccines. So now that we're seeing in this

newly constituted committee a retreat really from the traditional ways in which parents have been advised to actively receive vaccines to a more decide for yourselves in conversation with your provider sort of mindset most recently with hepatitis B creates a lot of confusion, creates a lot of uncertainty, and that means that fewer kids are going to get vaccinated against hepatitis B at birth, contrary to how we've been using this vaccine in the United States for over 30 years. Ah. It's not going to happen.

Yes. Okay. Oh, my God. The parents are going to actually have some input. They're going to, it's going to, it's too confusing. They're dumb. they're dumb we have a bunch of dummies out there and we just have to tell them what to do we can't let them even make a decision to nix anything okay part two they're still recommending it's used though for high risk is that something it's simple to determine or not there are some populations that are at higher risk of a hepatitis B especially in the newborn population most notably if the child's mother is a chronic carrier of the virus but hepatitis experts have noted that there are lots of ways in which this virus can be transmitted

in the first few years of life. And the idea of using this time-tested, safe and effective, safe and effective, safe, safe and effective vaccine at the earliest opportunity, provides the best protection against those exposures that can be something that a child could suffer with both immediately and for the rest of their lives. So it's not as easy as it sounds, despite thinking about this high-risk idea as an alternative. Is this an illustration of the debate between individual freedom and the desire for, and it never sounds very attractive when you say it like this, but we know what it means, herd immunity. In other words, the more people get vaccinated, the less the risk to everybody as a whole. On the one hand that it is, but it's

always worth remembering that while much of the United States debate around vaccines relates to the mandates that exist often at the school level and are controlled by states, that's not what's being discussed here. These are only recommendations. Now, they're influential recommendations, to be sure. But they're just recommendations for the best practices for what the evidence suggests for how the hepatitis B vaccine and increasingly other vaccines could be used. But I think you're right that even that idea of the federal public health infrastructure trying to actively encourage parents and health care providers to use vaccines, even that has been tied up in this broader debate about individual rights and parental freedom and these broader anxieties around

vaccine safety that are so pervasive in our federal health. administration. So pervasive. It's just horrible. We're talking about safety. I believe, yes, and they should just get rid of that liability thing. That would take care of this issue. Well, that's what this is ultimately about, of course. Well, let's hope so. But the point is that

the code words safe and effective, I believe after hearing it from this guy on the BBC, that is a code. I almost can be convinced that somebody gets a check in the mail for a thousand dollars for saying the words safe and effective. in regards to any vaccine whatsoever.

So the FDA in the United States has approved a couple of different hepatitis B vaccines. Angerix B and Twin Ricks. Twin Ricks is hepatitis A and hepatitis B recombinant. Both of those and the runners-up are produced by Glaxo Smith-Kline, a fine British company. So that would kind of explain this... That would explain where the BBC gives a shit. Yeah.

And we've got about... Sorry? Nothing. Oh, I thought you said something. And we've got about 45 seconds or so left on this topic. And I just want to ask you one quick last thought. Might this help to do something to rebuild confidence and trust among those who have become skeptical

as a result of what happened in the pandemic? You know, I'm concerned. I think that's certainly the argument that's being made by these health officials for how they're reframing our vaccine policy, really wholesale. But I think what it's doing is creating even more confusion, more uncertainty, more lack of clarity regarding who can be trusted from public health officials, public agencies, health care providers. And ultimately, that doesn't serve public health well.

It doesn't serve kids well who need to be vaccinated. So I think there's a lot of uncertainty ahead, and I think it's only going to get worse, unfortunately, with our vaccine program here in the U.S. That's Jason Schwartz, Professor, Associate Professor of Health. I'm going to start that again. Associate Professor of Health Policy at the Yale School of Public Health. Jason, thanks so much for joining us. I don't know where you are, buddy, but there you are.

So I have, from this morning, I have our buddy, Scott Gottlieb, industry insider. Oh, that guy's still in the air? They bring him back. You know, he is a correspondent for CBS, I believe. Well, before you play it, let me just get these NPR clips, but I'm not going to play him because I think the CBS clip you played was good enough. But I do have this little short 22-second WTF clip, which is part of the series of the NPR's talking about pretty much what the BBC did. But this little snippet here I put aside.

And what's been the reaction to this change? Most public health experts are horrified, horrified, horrified, horrified, horrified, frankly. They say there's overwhelming evidence that the vaccine is safe for newborns and babies can catch the virus even if their mothers aren't infected. Here's Dr. Joseph Hiblin, another member of the committee who voted against the change. Oh, you can catch it. You can catch it just out of the air? Well, I didn't have to play anymore because this guy, they brought a guy in who bitched and moaned about this decision, but he's on the committee. Now, this is after everybody moans and groans that Kennedy stack the committee.

Well, how come they have a naysayer on the committee if that's true? Well, I'm flummoxed. Hello? I'm flummoxed. You should be flummish because the whole thing flies in the face of the basic thesis that Kennedy stacked the stack the deck. With the conspiracy theorists. The anti-vacc nutcases. That's right.

But there's this guy. Okay. Let's bring in Scott Godlebe. He was on with Margaret. We're joined now by former FDA Commissioner Dr. Scott Gottlieb. He also serves on the boards of Pfizer and United Healthcare. Welcome back. Oh, United Health Care. There's a target on your back. We have a new gig. Yeah, target on your back.

Wow. Thank you. You know, there was some pretty big news on Friday, and the American Academy of Pediatrics said they are deeply alarmed that the CDC's vaccine advisory panel, ASIP, voted in this 8-3 decision. Oh, so there were three. Three against, not just three of these guys. All right. Change this 30-year-long policy regarding hepatitis B and newborns. I like the emphasis on third. 30 years. This has been going on. This has been great for years. I think the American people here, wow, this could have been going on for 30 years. They just can't, they can't get away from their overlords and pharma. They are now recommending delaying the dose until a child is two months old instead of within 24 hours of birth. What does this decision mean for families of newborns? Holy crap. That's what this is about? A two months delay? yeah is that the whole recommendation or is that just pretty much yeah no it's part it's part of

wow wow consultation is also part of it heaven for me you don't want to do consulting you know I mean you don't want to tell the parents their options hell with that no no let's not do that I think we first need to understand why we give that birth dose of the vaccine because the idea of giving a vaccine to a newborn to a lot of parents sounds discomforting that the first thing a child's going to face when they're born is going to be a vaccine within the first 24 hours. For a child over the age of five, if they develop hepatitis B infection, if they're exposed to it, they're going to have a 95% chance of clearing that infection, and they'll go on to develop lifelong immunity.

What? What? What? So if you develop it, if you're five and you get hepatitis B, you'll be okay and you'll have lifelong immunity. This is nuts. Wait, this guy. Who's paying this guy? That doesn't sound like part of the script. Well, maybe he's got some agenda. Let's find out. For children between the ages of one and five, they only have about a 25 to 50 percent chance of clearing the infection.

So about 25 to 50 percent of kids will develop chronic infection. And about a quarter of them will go on to die from hepatitis B if they're between the ages of one and five. So if you don't make it to five, you're dead. And you get it. This is bull crap. This makes no logical sense. Well, it's the same thing the guy in the BBC said. He said 25% will die.

We'll die. Yeah, I know, but I didn't know about the five. If you're five years or whatever, by the time you get the five, if you get it, you're good to go. Well, I said, because I think what best, what Gottlieb is doing here, same guy. Same guy. I don't think he's here to defend the hepatitis B.

He's here for other reasons. In fact, I'll jump straight to the next clip. This is really about the advisory committee because he is in the vaccine game. He's on the board of Pfizer. So this is not, it's like, all right, it's those guys today, but it could be us tomorrow. And this decision now is to wait two months before giving that dose. The president of the United States came out and said this was very good because Hepby is only. I'm sorry, I want to play this one.

We look at this because there is this broader scrutiny of vaccines right now. So literally she's saying it. Scott, you're here because we're looking at this in the broader scope of policy that may affect your products. That's what this is about. It's not about him talking. No one cares about hepatitis B. They're worried their drug is next.

We look at this because there is this broader scrutiny of vaccines right now by the Trump administration. And that could really screw up our advertising rates. And in this board decision, from those who voted against the decision to delay, one of them, who you heard at the top of the show, said the CDC is doing harm. Harm. Another said no rational. It's to our bottom line. Science has been presented.

And the committee must accept responsibility when harm is caused. Those are pretty extraordinary statements. Oh, this is great. So the shift, if you are harmed by not taking the vaccine, you're going to blame this committee. But if you're harmed by taking the vaccine, sorry, there's nowhere to go. If the group making a decision that has such high consequences for the most vulnerable Americans, isn't basing it on science. Science. No, rational science.

Oh, no, sorry, it's not science. It's rational science. You see, there's science and then there's rational science. This is literally what CBS is telling you. Group making a decision that has such high consequences for the most vulnerable Americans isn't basing it on science. No rational science. What does that indicate about what comes next? Rational science is a new category.

Well, look, this is the ASIP by and large, except for a handful of members, are anti-vax activists who will put there to carry out a specific agenda. And look, the secretary, to his credit, has been very honest about what his intentions are here. He's the most prominent anti-vaxxer in the country prior to coming into this position. No, that would be us. Hey, stop stealing our valor. He is not, he's pro-safe vaccines, and you're just afraid for your products. And he stated that his goal is to eliminate childhood immunization or many of these childhood immunizations.

No, he didn't. He didn't say that at all. That's his goal. We're worried. Oh, no, I'm working with Pfizer. They're going to take a methodical approach. and slowly chip away at this. This is a big unforced error insofar as ASEP was a esteemed body

that a lot of states tie their own decision-making to. And what we're seeing right now is as a group, it's being degraded. And I don't think it will ever be restored. I don't think you can just flip the switch and restore this where people are going to suddenly respect its decisions again. There's about 600 state laws that were tied to decisions AISIP made. About 17 states have already passed new legislation saying they'll no longer respect the decisions of A-SIP.

But the insurers came out and said they're going to tie their own coverage decisions to the professional bodies like the American Academy of Pediatrics and not ASIP. Oh, those guys are the worst. It's going to be fully degraded as a decision-making body and it's going to be more symbolic. There'll be certain states that adhere to it, but they'll be more symbolic. This is actually great. So what they're doing here, the way I see it, is they're going to discredit this entire board, which has always been kind of a pain in the butt because you've got to pay these guys off. you've got to take them out to dinner, you got to give them hookers, all this stuff.

It's annoying. We've got all the states under control. We've got the states, you know, completely opaque. The states will just listen to the American Board of Pediatrics. Woo! Well, that's good. I think this is actually the death knell of the whole system. Well, they have to get this liability thing straightened out.

it's got to be removed, the indemnification. There's no reason for it. No, certainly not for vaccinations that have been safe and effective. You might as well put cat poop in a shot because you're indemnified. Who cares what do you give to kids? Okay, so now we get down to his business, which is MRNA and this is a problem, it's a problem because we want to have the immune. for our products.

So you, this week, we saw a big sell-off in biotech stocks following these reports at the FDA, which you used to run at the first part of the Trump administration, is now going to require one study to clinch approval of vaccines. You were one of the former commissioners who put out this really extraordinary editorial in the New England Journal of Medicine, arguing that the FDA and top vaccine regulator, Dr. Vene Prasad, are changing. policies in a way that's going to slow down new and better vaccines. Yeah, because we're going to ask you to actually prove that they don't harm people.

That's what is being asked. What specifically is the problem you see? Because this isn't just happy. This is the vaccines of the future. You're saying this won't be created. Right. So, Vinay Prasad, who is the head of the Biologic Center, also oversees the vaccine division. He also has been appointed the head of biostatistics, the chief medical officer of the agency

and the chief scientific officer, so he occupies a lot of positions, put out a memo saying that they're going to do away with or move away from what they call immunobridging studies. These are studies that allow you for well-validated vaccines like the flu vaccine to be able to demonstrate each year that the new vaccine that's formulated against a circulating strain can elicit antibodies that are effective against that particular strain, and that could be the basis of approval rather than requiring new outcome studies every year to prove that the vaccine actually reduces the incidence of influenza. For established vaccines where we know

that antibody production is a good correlate for immunity, this has been a long-standing practice. We do it for flu vaccine. We do it in COVID, certainly. We do it for things like pneumococcal vaccine. The vaccine for pneumococcal disease where we look at serotypes, circulating bacterial

serotypes. This allows us to update vaccines as these viral and bacterial strains change and as the composition of the strains change in time to provide protection for the fall respiratory season. If they move away from this, which is what he said they plan to do, we're just not going to be able to update vaccines each season,

as we've done historically, to accommodate whatever the circulating strain is. Which is a big moneymaker, new COVID, new flu. Especially the flu. Every year. How come they haven't eliminated the flu from the human species? They've been giving this shot out for 35 years, 40, 50 years. I don't know how long it's been going on. The flu shot.

Well, the final clip is, is, I think, a good question, particularly in light of the new summary, the new study that was just published in Germany. And 12 former FDA commissioners came out saying they're deeply concerned about what is happening. That memo that made clear the changes that are happening within the FDA from Dr. Prasad was obtained by CBS, and it claimed that career FDA staff are making changes in part because they found at least 10 children have died after and because of receiving the COVID vaccine, referred to it as a profound revelation and said and asked, did it kill more healthy kids than

it saved? The administration to date has not backed up information to back up these claims, but what questions do you have for the FDA commissioner? Because they're arguing they're doing this to help people. Do you like boys or girls is the question I have from commission? First of all, one thing doesn't flow from the next. So the idea, if in fact they found kids, cases where the COVID vaccine was linked to tragic deaths, it doesn't then follow that you make these policy changes. In fact, the policy changes wouldn't address what their concerns are related to the COVID vaccine itself. These are, every case needs to be carefully adjudicated. It's tragic to see any suspected case that could be linked to a vaccine. And these will look

at previously by the FDA. And I don't know that's indemnified. Yep, that's exactly it. I believe that the new FDA had access to the case level data. analysis of cases, individual cases that get filed with the agency where there is a death in proximity to vaccination. Some of these are filed by the manufacturers themselves are very subjective and require the goodwill that people involved in that. And so I think that they should make that analysis public so it could be scrutinized and people can get comforted at. They've already backed away from the 10. There's reporting from endpoints that now they're saying it's 8 or 9. So they're already backing away from it. Oh, it's only 8 or 9.

I just said they will eventually make that data public. We'll look for it when it comes out. Dr. Gottlieb, thank you for your analysis today. So the NIH on the NIH NIH-NIH.gov website have a study. Regional patterns of excess mortality in Germany during the COVID-19 pandemic, a state-level analysis. And I'll just read this first line. The study used a rigorous actuarial approach to estimate excess mortality

across German federal states during the first three years of the COVID-19 pandemic. So we'll just shuttle ahead to the conclusion. It's the most fun. Based on the state-of-the-art actuarial methods, the present study demonstrates that Germany experienced moderate average excess mortality during the first two years of the pandemic with substantial and temporarily stable regional variation across federal states. In the third pandemic year, excess mortality rose sharply.

regional variation diminished and the pattern of the most affected federal states shifted markedly. The strong correlation between excess mortality and reported COVID-19 deaths and infections during the first two pandemic years suggests that regional differences in COVID-19 burden may account for much of the observed variation. However, the increase in excess mortality during the second year, despite a decrease in reported COVID-19 deaths, indicates that COVID-19 alone cannot fully accept. explain excess mortality. And then they just go ahead and say it that the correlation is to the vaccination rate of 91%. They're just saying it. The only thing we can find is that 91% in some states, 97% of the population were fully vaccinated,

and that's why we had excess mortality, which means more dead people than we usually have. Yeah, and this has been determined in South Korea. It's been determined in Japan. The same studies show up everywhere. Nobody wants to talk about it. And I didn't clip it, but, and to add insult to injury, Saturday night live last night had a whole sketch about COVID-19. Oh, I got COVID.

I want to stay home. Oh, COVID. Yeah. You know what? It felt just like having the flu for three days. The very people who were messed up and telling you to get vaccinated. They're saying now they're making jokes about it. What a world.

What a time to be alive. I'll tell you, around here it still amuses me when I go to the like the hippie-dippy vegetable place. They're still wearing masks, aren't they? Not everybody, but there's a, but you can kind of see the, you can, they're dragging, they're, usually they've gotten feebleized because they're breathing so much CO2 because the mask doesn't, don't, don't really. really work in terms of, you know, exhaling.

You can't get the bad air out of there. No. And it's just like, and they're wearing these masks and they're all covered up. And everything except the screen, you know, that clear shield. And I don't have that on. And they're wearing these masks and they're just wearing masks all the time. I mean, I don't get it. Well, check the calendar.

I mean, this is years after the thing. This is five years later. That they have PTSD. This is trauma. You should take pity on them and give them a hug. You know, they should get, slap them. A reminder that we have a lot more show coming up. We will be thanking some people, specifically our executive and associate executive producers.

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a little conversation about which one was better but we both had to laugh about no agenda large weeners the packaged weeners now 33% larger which what was that from it was from our end of show

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I like the coloring better. The color, the color was better. All right. Yes, we got here. A huge AI blunder. Darren uploaded a matchbook, which said Gen Z-Proof, as we learned that some Gen Z-Zers have issue striking matches. But this was a huge blunder because it didn't have a striking surface on it. Now, the one, yes.

Which could, of course, be a meta-joke that they're Gen Z-proof. It could have been a meta-joke. We don't know. We also had the one you liked the most, but we weren't going to use, was bombs away by. Nick the Rat with the two guys in the boat and waving looking at the missile coming in

we also like blue acorns brought receipts yeah except the except the cross-side guy it looks like a cross-side stereotype of a Shakespearean Jew it was no that was not happening

that was a little too much it was more than we could even put up with Yeah, what else? A lot of dental jokes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, dental jokes. I love my dentist. I ended up using the little dog, the blue acorn dog in the chair, sipping a cup of hot chocolate.

I thought that was the cutest picture of the whole group. Yeah, it was cute, for sure. Cute, so I used it for the newsletter. That's the charm, yeah. I think, I kind of like the no agenda aggression meter, but it was pretty bland. I was all Darren. Darren, he's just figured this out.

If anybody wants to hire a spot artist, just hire Darren. Yeah. I mean, he knows how to do it. You'll crank it out too. It'll come fast. Yeah. You'll get it right away.

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Do you recall the plot of clear and present danger? That's the one where they had the missile that blew up the guy's house. Remember that he? Yeah. From a satellite or something? Yeah. I wonder if he will send covert troops in like the movie and then get impeached for lying to the Senate Oversight Committee

about sending troops in like the movie. Anyway, Adam, your homework is to go watch that movie. I have seen it, but I will watch it again. AI update. Ah, he's in the business. Seems as though Microsoft has deployed co-pilot on an enterprise level to customers like me with the expectation that we, the company, create agents,

slash bots to use in our businesses that they can take credit for. There's a divide between software tech bros and industry manufacturers where nobody on the tech side knows didly squat about how equipment operates or anything in the manufacturing process works to be able to use AI to create bots that matter to get things done at the plant level. I think without significant automation results with AI over the next six months, companies that matter like the conglomerate I'm in will start to turn the page on AI and the fees that AWS Microsoft and Microsoft are charging to use their software suite.

I don't see any rabbits being pulled out of hats very soon to justify the spend from our side of the equation. Well, that's a pretty damning testimony. I'd say. Yeah, and he's probably right. Yeah, he probably is. I gave into my German wife over the weekend and bought overly price. tickets to the World Cup for Germany's

matched against some nobody country, Curacao, in Houston. Oh, that should be a one-sided slug. Yeah, who wants to be a part? And you know what those tickets go for? Oh, thousands, probably. Well, the basic tickets $1,500.

Jeez. Well, to see Dermanshov play is always a treat. They are very good, the Germans. I guess I'll do my part for the New World Order games. The tickets are only available to be sent to you via the FIFA World Cup app and are tied to a digital ID system of some sort.

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as a producer of the No Agenda show to always let us know. If you have expertise, report back. Don't see if they go, this guy don't know nothing. No, you send it to us. While I don't work in aviation, I can tell you that solar radiation flipping a bit in flight control systems is not something that should be getting fixed via a software update

or downgrade as it was in this case. To be clear, this phenomenon is very real and has been known about for airplanes, satellites, etc., for a very long time. The way it is avoided is with something called a lockstep processor, where two or more processors conduct the same calculations and operations at the same time and are checked against each other before the code executes. This makes me think that someone is being negligent in implementation, you don't think.

The only way that ECC memory or lockstep computation should fail is if you get two bits flipped, one on each processor, in the exact same place or if the error correction codes on the ECC are crap and have collisions where a flipped bit inappropriately evaluates another valid number. Ultra rare and software won't save you here. This does not pass the smell test.

Very suspicious that a bad update would break these fundamental checks against solar radiation. So there you go. They lying. Interesting. Oh, yeah. Well, probably I guess, that's why you revert because the reversion had this had this covered properly and the update

was incompetent exactly but it shouldn't have he's kind of saying it shouldn't have even happened at all um no i i don't think he said that he says it well that's what he said it should happen but that that the software fixed made them it could be that this this system is in place but the software fixed bypassed it in some way somehow the new software. It didn't know, the guy who was putting it and implementing,

it didn't know what he was doing and I make that work. What is this code? Let me comment that out. This is annoying. This bit flipping code. Yeah, that's exactly right. This happened.

A little story. So George Morrow was making all these. Wait, who's George Morrow? George Morrow was a guy who did the micro, so he did a bunch of computers back in the 8-bit era. And he had it, he did a couple of fantastic laptops

and including a couple of, I think he'd be designed for Zenith. Zenith was a big laptop provider back in the day. Yeah. And he put together a laptop, a super thin laptop that they sent to Korea for production. And it was all set up. Everything was working fine. And it came back.

It wouldn't run for crap. It was a piece of junk. They were just, they couldn't, they were slow. Yeah. And he had to go into the code base, and he found that they had bypassed an algorithm that was put in there specifically to keep this thing running at a high clip because some software designers looked at it and said, I don't get what this is for, why it's here, why don't we just go around it. Yeah, that happens.

Yeah, that's what people do. So I also got, talk about best producers in the universe. One of our producers is very close to the company that does the detection of music rights in these AI, music companies. And we were wondering how they do that. How can they detect who owns what in these songs that are created on Suno, etc. And I'd like to share this,

the relevant paragraphs here from his email. Because this is really fascinating. So what they do is they run a very small and targeted model for each of the rights holders with agents that focus on notes, text, and tone. they sit in the middle of the queries from the AI companies, like Suno, Open AI, etc.,

and send an agent to probe a model that identifies the result of the prompts before it's delivered back to the user. So, Darren O'Neill, if you're typing in something, then there's a little agent there that's going to check it. Then it sends it over to the mini license model, so if Sony owns the IP or John Denver Estate, etc., then the agent will run an engine that puts together an algo that assigns a percentage of likelihood and probability against the content.

So they don't even know for sure. For example, the user asked for a song in the style of John Denver with lyrics about a cat. Some percent of the lyrics will be taken from other John Denver songs, like if the verse starts with Take Me Home Silly Cat, then to Take Me Home part would go towards that percentage. Oh, my goodness. They add up the percentages from the review and come up. with a figure that is then applied to the licensing fee.

So if the estate says we're going to charge one cent for each time an AI model presents a user with one of our songs, the system looks at what the AI spits out, decides that the result is 75% based on John Denver IP, and sends a bill to open AI for $0.0075. So three quarters of a penny. This is crazy. They can also take multiple IP owners and do the same thing. So if the result to the user is 10% from ACDC, 25% from Stephen Sondheim,

and 60% from the Warner Music Group, they can take that amount, bill open AI, then distribute it to the rights holders. They take a small percentage of the exchange, of course, and when you take a small percentage of billions of queries a day, it adds up to a lot of money. So I get from this, they're just guessing.

They've got likelihood, probability, and similarity as their model. This thing, this thing is nuts. But? I don't think he was going to push back on it. Who? I'm sorry? I don't think that the companies will push back on it. No, not at all.

No, they'll take it. This is okay, you guys, do the calculation. We'll send you your 45. Yeah. Yeah, we'll send you the money. So, there you go. more you know. That is a more you know story. I've got a, I've got an interesting couple of clips here. Okay. This doesn't cover by anybody. This is one of my wow clips. This is the new army.

You know about the new army command? We did we kind of discussed a part of the Monroe Doctrine. The new army command is all part of this and this got fair. This is only covered by NPR. The Pentagon has created a new army command at Fort Bragg. As Jay Price reports, it's part of the Trump administrations, increasing foreign policy focus on the Americas and Border Concert Security. It's called the U.S. Army Western Hemisphere Command. During the ceremony marking its creation, its first commander, General Joseph Ryan, said building at the right way was crucial for the nation. When we succeed, we will be proud to serve in a theater army that is ready for the myriad tasks that our nation's priority theater requires. Creating the command is in line with the

new national security strategy the White House released this week. It says the United States will prioritize dominance in the security and economics of the Western Hemisphere. For NPR News, I'm Jay Price at Fort Bragg, North Carolina. Space Force. Wow. New Army, new Army Command. Yeah, that's a big deal.

Because that means they're like the, they get sent wherever they need to go. Is that what I understand? Well, in the Western Hemisphere. Oh, yeah, because that's ours. Yeah, it's ours. Pay attention, people. Do you live in the Western Hemisphere? That's ours.

You do what we say. Foam finger number one. My neighbor actually had a bombshell. Dropped a bombshell. We've always been wondering who they are. Yeah, who is they? Well, Laura Logan. She interviewed a guy very long interview.

interview. But then she did a short little Insta for the Insta and tells us exactly who they are. We've been waiting for this for ages. But there's always this question of who's behind it all? What's the they? Because when you learn, you know, when you learn about warfare, you learn about genocide, you learn about all these things, you begin to recognize that there are systems of command and control that have to be running these things for them to work. Like how do you get all these different agencies to work together to suppress the truth. Well, you need a command and control system because the command and control system that has been shutting down all of these things that we have seen, whether it's

fast and furious under Eric Holder, or it's the IRS persecuting Christian and conservative organizations, or it's the Russia collusion investigation that goes nowhere, or it's the Ukraine impeachment trial. These operations are being run out of an organization called the counsel for the inspectors general on integrity and efficiency that was created under Barack Obama in 2008. And by the way, his partner in creating that in having this brought into law was none other than Chuck Grassley on the other side of the aisle. And then it was supported, you know, by people on both sides of the aisle. So they created this council, which is in charge of the inspectors general. So what has been happening? You know, a lot of us are asking ourselves,

why is there no one that's willing to stand up in the federal government? We do hear about whistleblowers from time to time, but by and large, these people have been able to weaponize these agencies and walk all over the American people and commit crimes against the American people and get away with it. Counsel for the inspectors general on integrity and efficiency. It sounds like a beauty. Yeah.

Did you check into it? Obviously, you did. Yes. Well, it is what she said. says and she takes a little further. They operate kind of like the mob. They do things like they have an annual gathering every year. Who do they have as their guest of honor? Not so long ago. They had Anthony Fauci. Well, what are they doing there? They're sending a message to all of the inspector generals in like the National Institutes of Health, for example, and beyond. Don't touch this

guy. He's a made man. He belongs to us. And so what they do is it's not, they investigate what they want to, such as when they, you know, they went off to Donald Trump for Russia collusion, So when they want to do an investigation to reinforce an operation or a false narrative or to take out their political rivals, they have the power to do that. And when they don't want something to be investigated or they want that investigation to die on the vine, they're able to do that too. And then when you have people who are retaliated against whistleblowers who have legal protections against them, well, where do they go? It all ends up in this clearinghouse of the inspectors general, where they have the ability to control whatever they want. Yeah, you can find that at IGNet.gov, we'll have to keep our eye on this outfit. They are the command and control.

Oversight and action. Yeah. That's peculiar. Yeah. Well, when she says something, I pay attention. She does put a lot of work into it. She does. This, by the way, this clip that I have here, there's something here that I hadn't even thought about.

And I think it's worthwhile. You know, I'm an avid vapor. But of course, I buy American cotton. I have organic nicotine juice that I put in. I wind my own coil. So I know what I'm vaping. But in Belgium, the Belgian drug chief warns of something very concerning, which could also be happening here. And, you know, I don't like the vape wars, but this is worth noting.

Belgium's first ever drug commissioner, Inou van Wemerz, has told Euro News that 80% of the illegal refill vape capsules seized by Belgian customs contain dangerous synthetic opioids. She warns of a real risk to children who could get hooked on these hidden opioids. The risk is that they will be addicted on a very young age, that their brain will not develop the way it should be. These are serious health risks and we need to protect them. from that by taking measures against all these logistic chain issues that are abused for synthetic drugs. Aside from breaking logistic chains, Van Weymer said tackling the business model is also key, especially to prevent gangs from recruiting within the authorities.

Recent court cases highlighted that Belgium's legal world, including the judicial system and police, was corrupted by organized crime. There is a lot of money going on in this criminal world, and it's with this money that people are convinced to work with criminals. And that is when we don't tackle the business model, then we are having a serious risk to develop towards a narco state. Van Wemers took on her role in 2003, after Belgium's main port in Antwerp became the major gateway to cocaine entering Europe. One side effect of drugs flooding European markets is heightened gun violence and gangs fighting for turf, forming a public security threat. A lot in this report. I mean, yes, of course Belgium is a narco state.

The Netherlands is a narco state. They have ports. The port of Rotterdam and the port of Antwerp, they're huge for bringing the drugs in. But I don't know why all of a sudden she gets this vape thing. And I'd like a little bit of evidence that they all come from China. that they're putting opioids in the refillable vapes? What a brilliant idea, by the way, if that's true. Yeah, yeah, it's a good idea.

It's a great idea. But still, wow. Anyway. I have to play this and get it out of here, which is, I'm actually highly amused by the Homeland Security, undersecretary, whatever she is. She's been, in the first. Christy No. No, the under the undersecretary, the Trisha.

Oh, I don't know who the undersecretary is. Oh, when you hear her voice, you're going to hear it because I'm fascinated with her voice. She's got this, this just interesting sorority girl voice, and she's been in the government forever. She used to be the chief of staff or some, the nuclear disarmament department or something in Trump's first administration. And now she's just kind of a spokesman. She comes out. She looks like she's 16. and she's now, I'm just fascinated with her voice, and here she is. Catalua Crunch, which we were launching today down in New Orleans,

we're first and foremost really focusing on those worst of the worst criminals. The Department of Homeland Security launches the latest federal immigration enforcement operation in the city of New Orleans. DHS Assistant Secretary Tricia McLaughlin says that ICE is specifically prioritizing illegal immigrants who were previously in local jails. Because New Orleans functions as a sanctuary city, those individuals were not released to ice. They were instead released back onto New Orleans streets. McLaughlin says that the operation will continue whether it be 5,000 arrests or more.

The DHS released information on some of the people they are targeting, saying sanctuary policies endanger American communities by releasing illegal criminal aliens and forcing DHS law enforcement to risk their lives to remove criminal illegal aliens that should have never been put back on the streets. DHS Secretary Christie Nome says that Operation Catalua Crunch will remove the worst of the worst from New Orleans, Louisiana after the city's sanctuary politicians have ignored the rule of law. Yeah, you know, the result of these, this immigration policy and deportations is pretty drastic. I mean, you don't really hear about it because the mainstream media doesn't really want you to know

how many people were led in, certainly by the Biden administration. But I got a note from George from Austin, and he delivers sodas out of the Austin area, and part of that is delivering to H.E.B. He says, part of the job delivering to stores some out in the heavily Hispanic areas outside of Austin, let alone the rise in price of aluminum and sugar, add in the ice rates, our business has dropped well over 50% in the past few months, mainly from Hispanic workers not going into stores before or after work

even beer guys I talk to I guess delivering beer say the same thing some of the stores coming out of these places some of the stories coming out of these places outright wild ice mainly only rounding up the males leaving women defend for their households for themselves

they have been car chases some that end with shots fired raids going on the middle of the night supposedly some firefights involved I go to Mexican grocery stores that are size of smaller HEBs and their ghost towns compared to last year. None of this makes it on to the news.

And also being in the trucking world, the freight economy is on a huge downward shift. Part of the ice movement truckers are now being targeted to check their legal status. Recently, there was over 4,000 commercial drivers license schools, shut down nationwide, due in part to the slowdown and from passing laws that people who don't speak or read English. trucking companies are now starting to starting layoffs and some even shutting down due to high

costs and lack of freight and I'll just add one thing because I've always tried to help people get legal in America because I've done it with several you know I've done it with family members and there is a there's a really bad scam going on which I noticed recently as I was helping someone out who has a legal right to stay here under the violence against women's act Vawa, as it's known. And there's these law firms located mainly in Washington, D.C., and they have satellite offices everywhere, a lot of them in Texas. And so this woman, her paperwork could be processed in six weeks.

She has been paying $300 a month to this outfit for two years. And when you call, you just get an answering machine, starts in Spanish, and you don't get any. They're just stringing these people along. And how do I know that is because I called. And I had her case number and I had her name and everything. And I said, hi, this is Adam Curry. I'm calling about this person, this case. First thing.

What do you want? I said, well, I want to talk to her lawyer. Well, are you with immigration? I said, no, but you can look me up. Certainly, you know, I'm the podfather. Who do you think is calling you? guess what within 24 hours her paperwork is being processed this this is a these are a whole companies this is because you're with the media i said look me up you know you know who i am did you say that

no i said look me up i think it's i think it's cool to look me up look me up dude um so which just proves that they're just stringing people along soaking them even though she has a valid and legal right to be here. So, you know. So you're telling me there's a scam a foot? Yeah, but it's sad. I don't like it. Well, it is totally sad, but most scams are.

Yeah. Well, anyway. So there are lawyers who did a good deed. You're a good guy. Well, that's not why I say it. I say it because I was surprised by this nationwide law firm that just strings people along and they don't follow up. They don't send you emails.

They don't send you any documentation. and, you know, because they want, they want scared people. That's no good. Dushbags. Look me up. Look me up. Look me up. Hey, buddy, stop button in line.

Hey, man, look me up. All right. All right. Last clip for you, John. Well, let's see. I've got a few things that are possible. Let's just play this little. This is a tease for a podcast.

But I want to, well, actually, no, let's play Read a Book. Now, this is a, they have a segment they do it once every month or so. It's called Read a Book. And then they say, we should all be reading more books. And then they have different people come on and describe books from the staffers from the NPR. Because they got nothing better to do than to talk about books they read because they're reading books all the time. And I just thought this one was funny. Here's some unsolicited advice.

Skip all the holiday parties this winter and read a book instead. And great news, NPR's book. books we love has tons of recommendations, including these fiction reads from some of our co-workers. Hi, my name is Rachel Treisman, and I'm a general assignment reporter. One of my favorite books this year was Wild Dark Shore by Charlotte McConaughey. A dad and his three teen and pre-teen kids are the last people on a rapidly sinking research island off of Antarctica. They're getting ready to evacuate when a mysterious woman washes ashore in a storm. As the family nurses her back to health, relationships form, shift and before long everyone is suspicious of each other. Wild Dark Shore is a mystery thriller packed with plot twists and turns that make it really hard to put down. But when you finally do, you'll keep thinking about it and the bigger questions that it tackles so beautifully about love and loss and resilience in the face of climate change.

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Our end-of-show At this spot in the show I have four actually today Shall I go first? Oh, yeah This is amazing This is awesome Hmm?

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We've been waiting for it. Yeah, knives, knives, knives. Luckily there's a, okay, the best knife, the knife market has changed so much over the years. The Germans dominating the scene, but the Japanese are owned the place now. and I have to say right now, the knife, if I was going to buy a knife, I'd go to Amazon and get the Shanzu 8-inch chef knife. The when it's on sale, 44% off, it's 49 bucks, which is cheap, because this is a 67 layer, Damascus knife. In other words, it's been folded 67 times. Wow.

And it's 49 bucks. It's a steel. now I have another knife Wow that's a pretty knife I'm adding it to my cart right away I think you buy it now while they still have them yeah so because it's the sale price because a couple of things you should note

one I'm buying it right now this sort of knife is not sharp you can't use a device I recommended recently to sharpen a knife like this this is carbon this is carbon you can't even sharpen that can you no you can sharpen it but you need a stone who you need a real good Japanese sharpening stone

so this is problem number one with this knife that's why I have a second but I already bought it good well you should have this knife it won't go dull right away but get a stone once you learn how you use a stone to sharpen knives it's unbelievable a whetting stone a whetting stone exactly so you'd have that now

with knives like this I have to say I recommend the highest degree a pair of chain mail gloves. These aren't really knives as much as they are razor blades. Chain mail gloves. So you can go to Amazon has them, but they're all over the place. They look up chain mail gloves. These are gloves you can wear.

They're usually made out of a weavable stainless steel. Oh, and I have a pair. It's like chain mail, so you can't cut your finger off. You can't cut your finger off. I use the chain mail gloves a lot when I'm using the real French mandolin that I have. have a real big, giant one, not the little Japanese wimpy mandolin, but a big one, a big boy, all steel. And you have to have some, you have to have some protection when you're using these things. You're going to kill yourself. So, you hear that, Tina? She's lefty. Whenever I see her

cutting something, it's the oddest thing. It just makes me so uncomfortable. Well, with this knife here, is you're going to get really uncomfortable when you cut it for the first. This is the kind of knife that you could hold up kind of in the air and throw a tomato at it and go right through it. Whoa. That's the kind of knife. I'm keeping it under lock and key. I'm not letting my wife touch it.

It's one of those knives. It's one of those things. Now, that said, I have a second, one other thing to note, with Japanese products, without exception, pretty much, price equals quality. And that's why this knife at 49 bucks

is actually ridiculously cheap because it's been discount. which is unusual so uh but the more you spend for a damascus knife the better they are okay so here's the secondary recommendation i want to kill it all the time but this is a knife block set with 14 pieces wow what's it called it this is a 62 dollar deal it's not even marked down that much this is as i've have one of these knives from this company uh this is the knife block set from Thick shot, F-I-K-S-H-O-T, and they're a one-piece knife, they're very light, and it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, and you get a whole set for 62 bucks of a, of, of six steak knives, a chef's knife, a bunch of knives, a bunch of knives, and I think that, knowing the quality of these knives and they give you scissors and you get the scissors and you get a block, unfortunately the blocks a piece of, the crap. But except for the block that holds the knives, you've got some nice, cheap

knives that would make a terrific gift. I wouldn't gift anybody a Damascus knife. It's a stocking stuffer. Well, you have a big stocking. So those are the nice things that you should know about. But a stone, you need a stone. Get yourself a stone, people. And that is the long away to John C. Dvorak Knife Tip of the Day. Get them all at Tip of the Day. Dot net. Creatifies for you and me. Just the tip with JCD.

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