No Agenda - 1835 - "Greenland Gambit"

Starting point is 00:00:00 Be on your podcast. Always on your pod. That was great. Yeah, we agree. Oh, yeah, I totally agree. Adam Curry, John C. DeVorak. It's Sunday, January 18, 2026. It's your award winning Gibbonation Media Assassination, Episode 1835.

Starting point is 00:00:13 This is no agenda. It's West Week. And we're broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas Hill country here in FEMA region number six. In the morning, everybody. I'm Adam Curry. And from northern Silicon Valley, where the plot, Thickens. I'm John C. DeVorak. It's Craigbott and Buskin.

Starting point is 00:00:35 Oh, man, what plot could that be? There's so many plots. I don't know. I thought you would know. All I know is I've got Davos fever. This is it. The Super Bowl. Davos fever. Whiff week is coming. I'm always excited about Davos. Yeah, he'll be talking on the 21st and he's going to say nothing. Oh, he's going to say lots of stuff.

Starting point is 00:00:57 First of all, he's going to take their bicycles away. I think that's... Well, that's possible. I don't think they use bicycles in Davos. Yeah, well, we'll see if he says now. Obviously, he's going to say something because his mouth will be moving and words will be coming out. And he'll, I remember the last time he spoke at Davos, he said, globalism is not the way. Nationalism is the way.

Starting point is 00:01:21 That was kind of a, that was a statement back in the day. I think it's just going to talk about Greenland. We'll see. We'll see. He's taking the full crew. so. Yeah, they're all to go skiing.

Starting point is 00:01:34 Ah, you are always so upbeat about what's happening in the world. What's his name of your buddy? The, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, the, uh, the, he's a big skier. Of course he is. I can, I'll bet he looks good on the slopes too. You know what I mean? He's got, he probably, he tans real quick.

Starting point is 00:01:53 You know, one of those guys. He looks type. He looks like, one of those guys like, like, hey, boys, time for some appres ski. Are you ready? I think the skiing actually isn't exactly right in the village. I think they have to get on a bus to go skiing in Davos. I don't think you walk out.

Starting point is 00:02:11 It's not like Aspen. I've known at least two people that have been to Davos and the whole thing's about the skiing. Right. But is it like Aspen where you walk right out on the slopes? No, no. It's not like you don't step out of your hotel and jump on a slope. No. Well, just so you know, it's my beat.

Starting point is 00:02:30 I'm excited. love it when CNBC is on the scene and they're sitting there out on the cold. For what reason I'll never understand? It's like, let's make sure everybody knows we're here in Davos. I know why.

Starting point is 00:02:45 Okay. Skiing. No. Why do that, their set is always outside. Yeah. So then get used to the skiing temperatures. I don't know. It's idiotic. You're right. I love it. And there's always someone says

Starting point is 00:03:00 something dumb like Bill Gates always says something stupid. No, I find it to be interesting because they're all kind of loosened up. You know, you're right. They're all like, oh, it's great here. You know, we got to sit through this stupid conference, but then we'll go skiing. And at night, well, we know what happens there. We know.

Starting point is 00:03:18 We haven't gotten a report yet. No mainstream media has done a report on the prostitutes of Davos. Usually they do that. Don't remember too many reports on the prostitutes. Yes. I know about them. They ship them in because there's not, there's no prostitutes in Davos. Well, because who, what the hell are they going to do there?

Starting point is 00:03:42 Yeah, exactly. Well, here's a, he's a very, I'm following Davos radio, which for some reason is on YouTube, but okay, Davos Radio, and they have a little set. And this is the, this is very short, just an intro. This is the, so, you know, they kicked out Klaus Schwab. He's gone, which is kind of, kind of, kind of. sad because he set the tone and it made you feel groovy. Yeah, you know who took over, right?

Starting point is 00:04:08 Well, I know who the managing director is. Who took over? Larry Fink of BlackRock. Well, Larry Fank, so he's part of it, but he's not, he's not the co-chair. Yes, but he's not the manager. By the way, I'm getting a lot of slap back. Can you turn your speakers down? I don't think that's me.

Starting point is 00:04:29 Let me see. I'm hearing myself. Hey, hi, John. You're hearing yourself? Well, maybe. Well, if you turn your speakers down, you won't hear yourself through the speakers. Well, then I won't hear anything. Well, you could always consider headphones.

Starting point is 00:04:45 Well, no, I'd be hearing it. What would that make a difference? I still hear myself. Well, no one's hearing it double here. It sounds good. Okay, well, let's slide. I don't, I'm trying, nothing's, I'm sorry. I didn't change anything.

Starting point is 00:04:58 Nothing's changed. There you go. So here is the forum managing director, Sadia Zaheed, who's young woman. She looks like she's got what it takes to entertain a bunch of boring people. And they, of course, released their global risk reports because that's what it's all about. And here is her talking about the headlines of what's in the global risk report. What is the main headline this year? So we find that, of course, in the very short term, and this is probably no surprise to our audience,

Starting point is 00:05:36 but in the very short term, geo-economic confrontation and state-based armed conflict are the two things that readers are extremely worried about in 2026. And then you look two years out, and geo-economic confrontation actually stays at the very top, but it's followed closely by mis and disinformation and then socialization. And then in the longer term, in that 10-year outlook, That is where the environmental risks are again at the very top, extreme weather, biodiversity loss and critical changes to Earth systems. But following pretty closely behind is, again, mis and disinformation,

Starting point is 00:06:10 and one of the largest rises, which is around the potential adverse outcomes of AI technologies. They seem to be very worried about miss and disinformation from AI technologies. Oh, wow, that is me. I don't know why that happened. I know what happened. I know what's going on. I took my hearing aids out and so I have the headphones cranked up. You're probably hearing yourself through my headphones.

Starting point is 00:06:35 Oh, why did you take the hearing aids out? Well, it doesn't work very well with headphones. Oh. Yeah. And I tried. Why don't you work on open air? Well, how would that be any better? I can't hear.

Starting point is 00:06:51 With the hearing aids. No, no, no. I've been accustomed to this for 45 years. There's no way I can use open air. like I'm on AM radio in the 50s. No. This is W.A.B.C. I'm coming to you all ships and see.

Starting point is 00:07:07 I don't need headphones. No. I don't think so. I'm a modern radio guy. Modern radio guy. Cans. Cans, man. Why she used to,

Starting point is 00:07:19 well, she used to the apple buds. Like the bunch of people do. Unfortunately, you know, so, you know, there's this thing called oracast. which you can broad, I think we talked about, you can broadcast it to the hearing aids. Yes, that's right. And it works really well. I got the little adapter,

Starting point is 00:07:39 plugged it into my roadcaster. But then my voice, just because of all the processing, is about, you know, three, yeah, I'd say like 30 milliseconds behind. Oh, really? Yeah, yes. Well, they can't, what?

Starting point is 00:07:56 Wow. So if you're listening to TV, that's no good. Well, no, no, if you're listening to TV or something, it's great because you won't see that difference with people's mouths moving. But when you're speaking as coming back at three-tenths of a second later, then you start to talk like this, talk like this. Anyway, I will be reporting on everything from the wef.

Starting point is 00:08:17 It's Weft Week, Weak Week, and I'm excited. And I think something will come out of this. Maybe Trump is just going to negotiate the terms of surrender. I doubt it. You're so cynical. I have great hope in terms of. We surrender what? To who?

Starting point is 00:08:34 To us. Just surrender. Give us Greenland. Shut up. Go away. We're in charge. Canada. You're the next Ukraine.

Starting point is 00:08:42 I think maybe something like that. Have you been gone back to smoke and dope? No. No. What's he going to say? He's not going to do anything like that. Okay. We understand what your opinion is.

Starting point is 00:08:59 I think. What is my opinion? He's going to say nothing. said it at the beginning. Yeah, he's going to say, well, he's going to talk about Greenland a lot. Okay. Well, I am excited. I think Greenland is fabulous. I love the step up that we've done. I think it's great. I'd like to know, I have a clip. Okay. I'd like to ask you a question about this. All right. This is the Greenland clip. This is, uh... Murkowski? Yeah. Can I, can I guess the question or should I ask the question after the clip?

Starting point is 00:09:32 I would play the clip and then I want you to guess. You will guess it. This is what's bothersome. That's the fact that you brought it up, you know what the question is. I already know because I have a similar clip. President Trump stepped up his threats about taking over Greenland today, suggesting that he may place tariffs on countries that don't support U.S. control of the territory. Mr. Trump made the comments during an event at the White House today,

Starting point is 00:09:55 where he repeated his claim that the U.S. needs Greenland for national security reasons. It comes as a bipartisan delegation of U.S. lawmakers were in Copenhagen today. They met with the leaders of Denmark and Greenland in an effort to, as they put it, lower the temperature. Alaska Republican Lisa Murkowski told reporters the majority of Americans disagree with President Trump. Greenland needs to be viewed as our ally, not as an asset. When you ask the American people whether or not they think it is a good idea for the United States, to acquire Greenland, the vast majority, some 75%, will say we do not think that that is a good idea. Murkowski also told reporters there are, quote, tools at our disposal for Congress to rein in President

Starting point is 00:10:46 Trump's ambitions towards Greenland, though he himself has said that anything less than U.S. control is unacceptable. Okay, well, you didn't have exactly the same clip as I had. my clip, which is a little short and I'll play in a moment, the question I would have asked is, why are our representatives going to Greenland?

Starting point is 00:11:07 Because that was the context of this interview. They're going on a trip. They're going to Denmark, I think, and then to Greenland. They're leaving D.C. to go and visit. That would be my question. No. It's not, you missed it.

Starting point is 00:11:24 Isn't this a violation of the Logan Act? they made a big fuss about everything that was going on with Flynn and everybody else about the Logan Act, the Logan Act. This is a violation of the Logan Act. This is non-representatives of the U.S. government. They're not representing the Trump administration doing foreign affairs stuff. This is the Logan Act violation. They should be all thrown in jail.

Starting point is 00:11:50 What is the, you might have to help us again with exactly what the Logan Act is. You passed in the late 1700s and it says if you're not a representative of this government, you cannot do negotiations with foreign countries on your own as a independent person or group or citizen. Are they doing? I mean, I think the text matters? They're over there. What are they doing? They're over in Denmark talking to who?

Starting point is 00:12:20 What, the public? They're going around. Hey, buddy, what do you think about? No, they're having brown cheese. They're having fondue. They're doing that too. But this is a clear violation of the Logan Act. This is a clear violation of the Logan Act.

Starting point is 00:12:37 They should be, they should all be indicted. They should be arrested and then pulled back in irons. We should bring them back. It's about that. No, no, well, maybe James Comer can do something about it. Well, here's James Comer. Oh, no. I'm sorry, Comer.

Starting point is 00:12:52 I have Coons. Wait a minute. Let me just see. the Logan Act. They made a big, Democrats make a big fuss about the Logan Act. Oh, you mean

Starting point is 00:13:04 the news media doesn't make a fuss of it? No one makes a fuss of it when it's about Trump. What surprise? Okay. The Logan Act which was a response, this is interesting. I didn't know it was a response to an effort by a Philadelphia Quaker named George Logan to try and negotiate.

Starting point is 00:13:23 directly with the French government. Yeah. Okay, so the law criminalizes the negotiation of a dispute between the United States and a foreign government by an unauthorized American citizen. Okay, so unauthorized, I presume, would mean that you have to be authorized by the president. Yeah, you have to be authorized by the president or secretary of state. Well, we should throw her in jail along with Senator Coons, who was there. And part of the point of this trip is to have a bi-firm. partisan group of members of Congress, listen.

Starting point is 00:13:56 My point is, why are members of Congress who represent states doing this? That's my point, too. This is a violation of the Logan Act. It's a violation of their job description. Listen respectfully to our friends, our trusted allies and partners here in Denmark and from Greenland, and to go back to the United States and share those perspectives so that we can lower the temperature. When you ask the American people whether or not they think it is a good idea for the United States to acquire Greenland. The vast majority will say we do not think that that is a good idea.

Starting point is 00:14:36 Really? What poll is that? This senator from Alaska does not think it is a good idea. Well, good for you, lady. You're stepping on the clip. Hold on. This meeting comes as President Trump said at an event in D.C. today that he was considering using tariffs to, pressure countries to accept the U.S. takeover the semi-autonomous Danish territory. Trump argues Greenland is vital to U.S. security because of its location and supply of minerals.

Starting point is 00:15:02 He has not ruled out the use of force to take it. European nations. I always love how they throw in minerals. It's minerals. It's gold. It's oil. All the things it's not. Trump is greenland.

Starting point is 00:15:13 Right. Exactly. And I don't think I've heard Trump say specifically, oh, it's minerals as this report. No, you can't get those minerals out of there unless. You bomb the place and melt the ice. It's too cold. The Trump argues Greenland is vital to U.S. security because of its location and supply of minerals. He has not ruled out the use of force to take it.

Starting point is 00:15:32 European nations this week sent small numbers of military personnel to the island at the request of Denmark, a NATO ally. A NATO ally. So the Europeans are all in a tizzy because of the tariffs. And the president did promise. He said, hey, you know, we can do this the easy way or the hard way. And I believe this 10% ratcheting to 25 to, I guess, the sky is the limit, is part of the hard way. Here's a report from our European friends. Summon to Brussels to discuss.

Starting point is 00:16:04 And I'm always surprised that Euro News keeps using an African guy to do their voiceovers. I'm just baffled by it. Summon to Brussels to discuss an escalating. So the NHK News, when they do their weather report, in NHK out of Japan, out of Tokyo, they use the black guys, the weatherman. Is this a DEI thing? Black guys are even in Japan. Astrid should tell us.

Starting point is 00:16:32 Summon to Brussels to discuss an escalating crisis. EU ambassadors will have an emergency meeting Sunday. They'll look for a united response to Donald Trump's threat to impose escalating tariffs on eight European countries until the purchase of Greenland is completed. 10% at the beginning of February and then 25% by summer. A response from European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen was swift on social media. Tariffs would undermine transatlantic relations and risk a dangerous downward spiral. Europe will remain united, coordinated and committed to upholding its sovereignty.

Starting point is 00:17:13 President Macron had only just sent a symbolic detachment of French troops to conduct exercises with Danish soldiers charged with defending Greenland and was quick to link the situation to wider European security concerns. No intimidation nor threat will influence us, neither in Ukraine nor in Greenland nor anywhere else in the world where we are confronted with such situations. Tariff threats are unacceptable and have no place in this context. Unacceptable, I tell you.

Starting point is 00:17:42 Well, all they have is unacceptable. This is not right. This is not how you're supposed to deal with us. I didn't clip her, but... Everybody knows that the United States has had bases in Greenland since World War II. Yes. So we're there already. Yes.

Starting point is 00:18:02 Up in the top part. Yes. Well, they're making it sound like we're invading the place. We've already been there. Well, because the president said he alluded as a troll, like, well, you know, I could just go there and take it by force. You know, that's... He's not going to do that. No, of course not.

Starting point is 00:18:20 But that's... One day, one day, the rest of the political landscape will figure out his algo and stop responding that way. But we did get our ski... Well, that's wishful thinking. You're right. Are you crazy? No, they won't. They're never going to figure it.

Starting point is 00:18:37 It's so easy to figure out, but they will know. So our skier, we need a name. Scott the Shusher Bessent. Scott the Shusher. I like Shusher. Shusher, yeah. So Scott was on with Manhans Welker this morning. And, of course, did the discussion turn to Greenland?

Starting point is 00:18:55 President Trump threatening to impose steep tariffs against some of America's closest European and NATO allies. The leaders of Denmark and Greenland say bluntly, Greenland is not for sale. What makes President Trump think it is? Kristen, if we look for you... Wait, wait. The first answer should have been, as everybody knows this. everything is for sale. Is this not something we always say in business?

Starting point is 00:19:24 Everything is for sale at the right price? I wonder why he didn't say that. Yeah, he's green. He's green. He's still green around the gills. What makes President Trump think it is? Kristen, if we look for years, for over a century, American presidents have wanted to acquire Greenland.

Starting point is 00:19:44 And what we can see is the greenland is the essential to the U.S. national security. We're building the Golden Dome, the missile system. And look, President Trump is being strategic. He's looking beyond this year. He's looking beyond next year to what could happen for a battle

Starting point is 00:20:02 in the Arctic. We are not going to outsource our national security. We are not going to outsource our hemispheric security to other countries. In Trump 1.0, President Trump told the Europeans, do not build Nord Stream

Starting point is 00:20:19 too do not rely on russian oil and guess what christian guess what is funding russia's efforts against ukraine european purchases of russian oil so america they has to be in control here i like the addition of the golden dome as another because it a it's not true probably uh b yeah yeah Golden Dome, whatever. It does make all the military industrial complex companies go, oh, hold on a second. I got to talk to my counterparts in Brussels about this because you know that's how it works. Hey, let's go out to dinner. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:21:00 Want some caviar? I got to talk about Greenland with you because, you know, we could build some fabulous stuff for the Golden Dome. You'll benefit. You'll benefit. But the fight for the Arctic, it's real, man. Is this a negotiating tactic, Mr. Secretary, or is President Trump serious about annexing Greenland? President Trump strongly believes that we cannot outsource our security. Because, Kristen, let me tell you what will happen.

Starting point is 00:21:28 And it might not be next year, might not be in five years. But down the road, this fight for the Arctic is real. We would keep our NATO. Did he say Israel? Sounded like you said Israel. But down the road, this fight for the Arctic is real. We would keep our NATO. The Mossad is all right.

Starting point is 00:21:48 Israel. Bebe. It's real. BB's making him do it. It's clear. Down the road, this fight for the Arctic Israel, we would keep our NATO. Code. Our NATO guarantees.

Starting point is 00:22:02 And if there were an attack on Greenland from Russia, from some other area, we would get dragged in. So better now, peace through strength, make it part of the United States, and there will not be a conflict because the United States right now, we are the hottest country in the world, we are the strongest country in the world. Europeans project weakness, the U.S. projects strength. Do you think that he comes down the slope? Hey, I'm Scott Besson, Treasury Secretary of the hottest country in the world. What's your name, son?

Starting point is 00:22:38 Okay. This is good. There's only two more. But I just love, I'm a big Besson fan. I can't help myself. Senior Democrats say there are no pressing threats on Greenland security from Russia or China. The Danish foreign minister says there hasn't been a Chinese warship in Greenland for a decade. What evidence do you have that this is a pressing threat? There is no evidence. First of all, Kristen, we have asymmetric information.

Starting point is 00:23:03 And again, President Trump. Wow. Wow. What does that mean? Well, first of all, we have asymmetric information. I'm just going to use that. That's like a – that is a kind of a hybrid term that, again, as we've both pointed out, that this administration is filled with these Silicon Valley A-holes who are coming up with these, you know, these terms.

Starting point is 00:23:29 Swarm-forge. New creative ways of saying nothing. I like it. And I think that's one of them. I think it's something you can say if you have a disagreement with your spouse. Listen, honey, we have asymmetric information here, okay? Everybody try that out. Let me know how it goes. There hasn't been a Chinese warship in Greenland for a decade.

Starting point is 00:23:53 What evidence do you have that this is a pressing threat? Well, first of all, Kristen, we have asymmetric information. And again, President Trump is being strategic here. Hold on a second. Why didn't she stop him in his tracks? What is wrong with her? You're acting like Kristen Welker is smart? She's a DEI hire.

Starting point is 00:24:14 Somebody should have, when somebody says that to you in an interview like that, you stop them right there and ask them to specifically say what they mean. What do you mean by that? What do you mean by asymmetric information? It's great. What do you mean specifically what do you mean? And you mean you getting lopsided information, something that's got a bulge that we don't get, or the general public doesn't hear, is a different form of information?

Starting point is 00:24:45 What do you mean? It makes no sense that word. Well, I hate to disappoint you. She did not say that. This is a pressing threat. Well, first, first of all, Kristen, we have asymmetric information. And again, President Trump is being strategic here. What evidence was there that the Russians were going into?

Starting point is 00:25:04 to Crimea. What evidence was it? Well, actually, there was a lot of evidence that the Russians were going to go. Wait, wait. He corrects himself. And you can hear him stuttering because you can hear, he has an interesting brain. And his mouth sometimes goes a little too fast and his brain stops his mouth and I don't know. We had a lot of information. But then he's going to throw Biden under the bus, as he should. What evidence was there that the Russians were going into Crimea? What evidence was it? Actually, there was a lot of evidence that the Russians were going to go into Ukraine. Biden said, well, just take a little bit of it. But what we know is that the U.S., that Greenland can only be defended if it is part of the U.S. and it will not need to be defended if it is part of the U.S.

Starting point is 00:25:50 The president is trying to avoid a conflict. You bring up Crimea. The president, as far as I have heard, has not taken military force off the table. If the United States were to take Greenland by force, how would that be different than Russia's annexation of Crimea? Look, I believe that the Europeans will understand that this is best for Greenland, best for Europe, and best for the United States. But military action is still on the table? I haven't spoken with the president on that. And again, I believe that the Europeans will understand that the best outcome is for the U.S. to make sense.

Starting point is 00:26:31 pain or receive control of bringing. Yeah, once we tighten the screws a little bit more, I think they'll start to come around. They will understand. This guy, he's kind of frightening. You know, he's one of those. Well, there's a lot of ill logic in his approach. He does a pretty good job of it. He, for example, says that, you know, the place in the U.S.

Starting point is 00:26:58 ownership for protection, and in fact it's as part of NATO, it's protected by Section 5, Article 5, whatever it is. So we're supposed to protect it anyway. So that's bull crap. There's some, you know, there may be something we're completely und, I mean, there is, and I'm an idiot for, I don't know why I didn't clip it.

Starting point is 00:27:22 I'm sure it's not on the clip list about the guy who says there's a flying saucer there. And that's the real reason that we want it. What? What? Yeah, this was the second half of show clip. You really, I mean, you've let the show down by not. I have not heard this one.

Starting point is 00:27:38 I feel terrible. I have not heard this. You win the show. I have not heard this one and I'm upset now. Yeah. There's a flying saucer there, which is a weather modification saucer that is being uncovered as the ice melts. And it's huge. It's a monster.

Starting point is 00:27:55 It's like the size of Manhattan. Wow. And it's been revealing itself and now we have to take ice. so we can go get, because it's still running and it's still got people in there monitoring what's going on here. Can you imagine it's not a slouch of an old beat up thing. It's been there. Well, Kristen, you have to understand when the ice melts and the flying saucer. That may be the asymmetric thing he's talking about. Yes, we have asymmetric information, Kristen. When the ice melts and the saucer is revealed,

Starting point is 00:28:28 we don't want the Russians to get that. Now do. Now, that's not how the interview ended, unfortunately. Okay, let's talk about being strategic. The United States has a base in Greenland. I've been talking to lawmakers on Capitol Hill. Why? Denmark has given the United States green light to beef up its security as much as is needed in Greenland. Why not take that route?

Starting point is 00:28:52 Why is it necessary to take over and annex all of Greenland, something that 85% of people living in Greenland oppose? No, they don't. What's this? Who said that? What is she making this up? Yeah. They're doing all kinds of, you know,

Starting point is 00:29:09 Eskimo on the ice as opposed to man on the street. And you get some dude who's like, he's wearing a, you know, don't make Greenland Great Again, red hats. I mean, this. Well, let's stop for a second with these clips. And let me ask you something. What is the, why are,

Starting point is 00:29:32 Is anybody objecting to us taking over Greenland? Well, when you say anybody, do you mean the people in Greenland? I mean, the EU and the, well, I mean, the Russians and the Chinese have got nothing to do with it. It's only the EU and Denmark. And they're not doing anything. This is like, it's in our hemisphere, we were reinstituting the Monroe Doctrine, the form of the Don Roe doctrine. And we went Greenland. We've wanted it before.

Starting point is 00:30:02 and they just want to hold on to it for dear life. For what purpose? Okay, I'm just guessing, but my thoughts are twofold. And I do want to finish this clip. Twofold. One is the Europeans still want to get illegal or sanctioned oil, and it comes through the GI UK gap. And the less people know about that, the better.

Starting point is 00:30:28 And the second one, I think it has everything to do with Canada, is the Canada is a problem. They are not a good, nothing about the Canadians, but I'm talking about Carney and the crown. You know, the, the, the prince, the king, he went to visit Canada. Everyone, like, kissed his feet.

Starting point is 00:30:47 So I guess he still owns it. You know, or the whatever, however that works in that system, very fuzzy. Carney, and I know you have clips on it, we'll get to him a second. You know, he's, he's in China. So it's a clean shot. You know, these are great shipping routes.

Starting point is 00:31:06 We want to control what Europe gets and we want to control what Canada gets. I think that's the reason. You're right, it's our hemisphere. People may not like it, but that's what it is. And so it's all about control of the shipping. All of those, even the ghost ships, you know, they all go up through there and they turn around and they offload stuff and they're doing stuff. turn off the transponders.

Starting point is 00:31:31 I think it's a direct attack on Europe saying we're in control of this. Now let me finish the clip. Necessary to take over and annex all of Greenland, something that 85% of people living in Greenland oppose. Well, again, and let's look back. Denmark has a terrible history with Greenlanders. There was forced sterilizations up until the 80s or the 90s. So all of a sudden.

Starting point is 00:31:57 Wow. Wow, wow. He's pulling out the podcast stuff. Nice. Until the 80s or the 90s. So all of a sudden, now that the U.S. has expressed an interest, there is this new interest. And again, the United States needs to be in control to prevent a war and that we do not want to get dragged into someone else's war. Well, but this is about the United States relationship with its allies. NATO allies, again, reacting with alarm, their warning that this move to annexed Greenland could, in fact, destroy NATO.

Starting point is 00:32:33 So let me just put this to you bluntly. Is Greenland or NATO more essential to the United States national security? Well, Chris, that's obviously a false choice. That's a maximum... Not from the perspective of European leaders. The European leaders will come around and they will understand that they need to be under the U.S. security umbrella. They'll get it. Don't worry. They'll understand soon enough.

Starting point is 00:32:57 So it was only... It's cute. He's cute. It was only in September when Marie Fredrickson, the prime minister of Denmark, issued an official apology to Greenland, calling the campaign to manage Greenland's population. She called it systemic discrimination. It's also known as, oh, what's the word, eugenics? They sterilized... That's why when you see the man on the...

Starting point is 00:33:22 street reports from Greenland. All the people say, we hate the Danes. Of course they do, because it was 4.5,000 women and girls, someone's youngest 12. They said, hey, come over here. Boom, here's an IUD. Without consent or knowledge often. And so Denmark, this ran up until 1992. It was a huge report, 350 pages. And, liberating them. Yeah. So, you know, and where is the, Welker, where's your report on that? That would be rather interesting to report on. I mean, actual eugenics by the Danes on the Greenlanders? Why?

Starting point is 00:34:06 What were they afraid of? They would multiply like bunnies and then do something that was. What were they going to do? They're in Greenland. They're going to build more houses. So, you know, you. You know, I'm really quite sure. And by the way, it was interesting.

Starting point is 00:34:25 Hold on a second. Where is it? So as if Putin and Trump are having some kind of phone call, which is possible and possibly even likely, here's what happened this week with Putin about Europe. It's a surprise announcement. Russian President of Vladimir Putin says he's ready to repair diplomatic ties with Europe, despite relations remaining at their lowest point,

Starting point is 00:34:51 since Russia's four-scale invasion of Ukraine. I would like to believe that over time the situation will change and our countries will return to normal, constructive communication based on the principles of respect for national interests and consideration of legitimate security concerns. Russia has been and remains committed to precisely these approaches and is ready to restore the level of relations we require. Putin's comments, Karmes, Italy and France have urged Europe to re-engage with the Kremlin,

Starting point is 00:35:16 until now European leaders have resisted direct talks, pointing to Putin's lack of commitment to genuine peace negotiations. What do you think that play is? All of a sudden, Putin's like, hey, you know, I'd love to hang out and talk with you guys. I have no idea. Which is it's kind of, the problem is it's asymmetric. Yeah, it's asymmetric information. Exactly.

Starting point is 00:35:37 It's a problem. Yeah. And then, of course, we have Carney and China. I know you have clips. I'll play a little intro. There's not that much. I mean, Carney and China is something. of a red herring, I think.

Starting point is 00:35:51 I thought it was fun. It was fun. Here's the 17 seconds of fun I got. As you mentioned, mine is the first visit of a Canadian Prime Minister to China in nearly a decade. The world has changed much since that last visit. Much. And I believe the progress that we have made in the partnership sets us up well for the new world order. The new world order.

Starting point is 00:36:16 Yes, the clip that's been going around. I love it. More like, please don't change anything. This is no good. We don't like what Trump's doing. We're afraid. What's your Carney clip? I have two Carney clips.

Starting point is 00:36:29 Oh, okay. I have Carney and Canada, which is kind of a backgrounder. We'll start with Carney. Yeah, it says minus. Is that the word? Yeah, that one. Canada's Prime Minister Mark Carney announced today that his country is cutting its 100% tariffs on electric vehicles from China. We've started a new era.

Starting point is 00:36:49 a new chapter of our partnership. Carney made the announcement during a visit to China, the first by a Canadian leader, in eight years. In exchange, Canada will get lower tariffs on some farm products. Carney and Chinese president Xi Jinping also pledged to work on building stronger ties between their two nations after years of tensions. Canada has largely followed the U.S. and imposing tariffs on Chinese products. But Carney said today that they are building a new partnership for what he called

Starting point is 00:37:18 current realities. So they're all going to be driving electric cars. Great. No, they just can't. This report sucks. This is PBS. They left out a couple of things. One, 49,000 car cap. Yeah. Yeah. Everybody. You think that's important? No. That amounts to like three total percent of all the cars in Canada. It's nothing. So the other thing is, why did they leave out that little, when you played that, I'm glad you played that clip, by the way. Why did they leave that part out? That's the best part. It's the most interesting part where he talks about new world order. There's a new world order.

Starting point is 00:37:55 So there's this kid, I call him a kid. I don't know. He's Chinese, so he can't tell how old he is. Ken Chow. Oh, I'm sorry. I missed the racist comment. There we go. Yes, we heard it.

Starting point is 00:38:11 We got you. Yeah. Can't tell. Yeah. I'm sorry. I shouldn't be doing material like that. Very, very, very, very bad. So this guy, Chow, he runs, he's one of these online commentators, but he's quite good.

Starting point is 00:38:27 And his commentation tends to be about China going down the tubes. And I was going to go broke any minute, which is not, does a guy at Stanford read? I've been hearing about this. I've been reading that there's a lot of people on this boat. Yeah. And so this guy's one of them. But he makes it very good. I think his little analysis of Carney here, which is more elaborate than our buddies on PBS, I thought was valid.

Starting point is 00:38:56 This is a good analysis. And here's the structural reality. Canada cannot escape. Over 75% of Canadian exports go to the U.S. And less than 5% go to China. That's the mismatch of the century. In 2025, Canada, U.S. trade. is more than $1 trillion US dollars, runs a huge trade surplus with US.

Starting point is 00:39:24 Canada to China exports, less than $30 billion. Trade deficit with China, $57.8 billion. So the US bank rolls Canada's economy while China drains it. And security-wise, Canada is welded to the US through NATO and NORAT. You cannot change geography. There's no alternative universe where that can be changed. And interestingly, this deal also exposed Canada's internal split. As I said, Western farmers needed tariff relief.

Starting point is 00:40:01 But Eastern auto workers feel the Chinese dumping of EVs. Ontario Premier called the Chinese EVs subsidized spy cars. So this is a political tradeoff. limited EV access, relief for farmers. That is the only substance of this China visit by Kearney. And Washington barely reacted. Why? Because nothing strategic changed.

Starting point is 00:40:32 Yeah, I think he's right. This is a good kid. Yeah, I mean, the canola oil, I guess that's the main thing. Export more canola oil. Actually, the canola oil wasn't part of the deal as much. much as it was just the other products from the Canadian farmers. I thought it was mainly about the canola oil. I misunderstood.

Starting point is 00:40:51 We have asynchronous information, so. Yes, we do. Which is why the show is good. And so then we have, finally, I was able to get, I thought, a reasonable report about the Alberta separatists and people coming out in droves for the, to sign the referendum. This came from global news. I was looking for it, finally. The chill of a central Alberta night in January couldn't keep hundreds from lining up in Red Deer

Starting point is 00:41:19 for a chance to support an independent Alberta. It's been an abusive relationship for so long, really. It's, I think, most of us just want out. Everybody's fed up. We're done with it. We've got to do something. At the end of the line that snaked around the block, a chance to sign a petition calling for a referendum that would ask, do you agree that the province of Alberta should cease to be a part of Canada

Starting point is 00:41:41 to become an independent state? I am actually honored to be here and see the huge turnout of everybody, and it makes us all proud to be Albertan. The wait here to sign this petition is more than an hour long, and this is just one of three signing events being held across Alberta on this particular night. Organizers have to collect just under 178,000 signatures. The turnout here fueling optimism that that could be done. Yeah, I think that'll happen. But then that's just to get the referendum. Then, of course, you have the referendum,

Starting point is 00:42:16 and they'll tell them that they voted wrong because that's how it works in those countries. Vote over. I got a really interesting note. It's too long to read. I have it. Mike McDonald's. The long analysis.

Starting point is 00:42:29 Yeah, I put it in the show notes so people can read it for themselves. Oh, yeah, that would be great. People should go read it. But I'll just read through. He set it out in steps. And so I'll just read the steps. Step one. But we, in that, in that, I'm just prefacing it a little bit,

Starting point is 00:42:47 in the scenario he presents, which he and his buddy developed, a guy lives in Southern California, but he's Canadian. And it's dynamite, by the way. It's not, I believe it to be true. Yes. And he does make, he does point out the anomaly that has to be noted, which is that Carney and Trump, have had a previous relationship.

Starting point is 00:43:14 And Carney and Trump submarine that other guy, the pull of the, whatever the character's name is. Paul of Year. Paul of Year's campaign. And he is the guy that would be a better, he was a conservative and he would have been a better prime minister. And Trump went out of his way to submarine him and help get Carney in. And Carney's the liberal who's going to Canada.

Starting point is 00:43:38 I'm sorry, going to China and having the vision. is the whole thing is a scam. And this guy's presentation, I think, our producer's commentary, I think, is right on the money. So he starts by saying, step one, create the conditions for the destruction of Canada. And then his whole thesis is like, we put Trudeau was put into power to make us weak,

Starting point is 00:44:03 to soften everybody up. And he says, Carney's role is to be the closer to, which I kind of. kind of like. That is great. And, of course, every issue in Canada has a Trump angle to it. Step two, create momentum for Alberta independence in progress, obviously. Step three, get Alberta to hold a successful referendum.

Starting point is 00:44:27 And he says that has been started. And again, I question that because that's hard to do. And in these countries, just like Ireland, you know, vote again, you did it wrong. the step four post-referendum chaos he says this is the wild speculation part but we need some chaos it's always good to change to change stuff five restore order and protect strategic resources and then canada implodes trump sends in troops to restore order quote and prevent bloodshed and to protect our strategic resources and i'm pretty sure that uh that that Canadians would welcome that.

Starting point is 00:45:07 If there really was chaos, like, hey, what's all the fighting, eh? That's no good. We want Oot. Then, of course, Alberta would be a protectorate, and we'll get our pipeline with all the oil. And then he goes in, he kind of goes off the rails with NATO getting involved. And I'm not sure. But he says, watch what happens to Greenland. If NATO survives, then our scenario is a little more difficult.

Starting point is 00:45:35 So he's banking on NATO blowing up with what Trump is doing. Well, if that, if you wanted to go with that thesis, you can make the argument that the only, the real reason to do the Greenland Gambit. It's to blow up NATO. It's to blow up NATO. So we'll call it the Greenland Gambit. I like that. I like Greenland Gambit, potential show title.

Starting point is 00:46:05 I'm going to write that down, yes. And so that would be, so that would rationalize the whole Greenland action if you were out to blow up NATO, which is quite possible. Because I don't think Trump's ever liked it from NATO. He comes back and forth. It's been a drain on the U.S. economy.

Starting point is 00:46:28 There's been a couple of, I mean, these are just useless drains. It's not a drain that's done us any good, although it has done a lot of, good for the blockheads and military industrial complex. Yes, yes. But with or without our being part of it, I mean, we've been kind of extracting ourselves and making them buy more stuff than less stuff.

Starting point is 00:46:51 We were buying all this stuff before and giving it to them. Yeah. Well, so this clip that I skipped on the Greenland Gambit may come into play because, as you know, everybody sent five guys, I think. Like, oh, NATO is doing exercises in Greenland. Yeah, right. You got a couple of dudes hanging out there. And here's this.

Starting point is 00:47:13 Or as Trump puts it, one more dog sled. Yes. And here's France 24. Inviting a possible invader to join your military exercise is an unusual gambit. Gambit. Whoa. Whoa. How about that?

Starting point is 00:47:30 An unusual gambit. But that's exactly what the head of Denmark's joint Arctic command has. done. We had actually a meeting today with a lot of NATO partners, including the US, and invited them to participate in this exercise. NATO allies excluding the US kicked off military drills on Greenland this week. They're small but highly publicized in light of President Donald Trump's bellicose rhetoric. Belicose! We need Greenland for national security very badly. What even does bellicose mean? What is bellicose? Well, I look up the definition.

Starting point is 00:48:07 Belicose. Okay. Belicose. And B-E-L-L-B-H-E-L-I-C-O-S-E? Yes. Huh. Favoring or inclined to start quarrels or wars. How about that?

Starting point is 00:48:28 Don't war over the meaning of bellicose. Okay. So favoring or so bellicose is. war talk. I don't think they use these words by accent. And Donald Trump's bellicose rhetoric. We need Greenland financial security very badly. The latest warning is that he'll slap tariffs on any country that opposes his plans to annex the Danish territory.

Starting point is 00:48:52 A necessity, he argues, because of Russian and Chinese ships in the region that pose a threat to America. Commander Soren Anderson sought to dispel that claim. There are Chinese and Russia vessels in the Arctic Ocean, but not near Greenland. But of course, if we have Russia attacking Greenland, it is my task to defend it. And I will do that, both with Danish troops, but of course within the alliance as well. He insisted the US doesn't pose a threat. But Greenlanders fear they must take Trump at his word. large numbers of them are expected to protest this Saturday,

Starting point is 00:49:32 joined by fellow citizens on the Danish mainland, with the message, hands off Greenland. Yeah, they had a big protest in Denmark, and it was all coordinated, same signs, same flags. Yeah, I'm sure that it was coordinated by the left, but was there a protest in Greenland, like he said? Yes, yes, yes. Yeah, I didn't even clip it.

Starting point is 00:49:51 There were so few people, and all they did is they got one dude with a ginger, with red hair. That was the guy's talking about. with a hat. You're like, no, we don't want, we don't want Trump. A ginger. Yes, in Iceland.

Starting point is 00:50:04 Those are all intuits up there. I'm telling you. They're all Eskimos. They had, well, they always seem to get the very Western-looking people who speak reasonable English. So has Russia, Russia hasn't had any historical connection to Greenland, have they? No, no. No.

Starting point is 00:50:26 No. They're not going to attack Greenland. That's a good one. We got a new Ukraine. It's called Greenland. You want to hear the protesters? Yeah, in Denmark. Okay, here we go. This is from Euro News.

Starting point is 00:50:41 I think it's the black guy again. Thousands of people took to the streets of Copenhagen on Saturday to protest against U.S. President Donald Trump's push to take over Greenland. Demonstrations were also held in several other Danish cities. Protesters united under one slogan. hands off Greenland. We're protesting against the

Starting point is 00:51:05 orange dictator in the US who's trying... We're protesting against the orange dictator. Okay. All right. We're protesting against the orange dictator

Starting point is 00:51:20 in the US who was trying to bully his way to undermine the sovereignty of the Greenlandic people and take away their right to decide who they want to be part of? The protests followed Trump's threats on Friday to impose tariffs on countries that oppose his

Starting point is 00:51:36 plans to take over mineral rich Greenland. Mineral rich. Oh, brother. Yeah, that's that's the narrative now. Mineral rich. Whatever you do, don't mention the Greenland, Iceland, UK gap. Whatever you don't, don't talk about shipping lanes. We can't have that in the news. We can't have people looking at a map. Oh, Lord. Imagine if they looked at a map. Yeah. And of course, it would be, I'll have to start looking to see if there's any mainstream news reports where they say, so how do you feel about Denmark sterilizing your girls as young as 12? Anya, up until 92, which is...

Starting point is 00:52:13 Let's do a real survey up there instead of just some red-headed guy coming on the air. I could probably, a break. I could probably find that clip. Let me see. Let me see. It might be worth it. Oh, fine. Greenland.

Starting point is 00:52:30 Where is it? Crap. Yeah, we had too much clips. Well, only because we've talked about this guy so much. Greenland protests. No, I don't know. I can't find it. I don't remember whatever.

Starting point is 00:52:56 I think it's in a Greenland talk. Yes, I think we've exhausted it. And it probably will come out at Davao. We might, that's, you're right. We're probably going to hear something there. And there will be outrage. And that will be the only news that they cover. But there's obviously other things going on in the background.

Starting point is 00:53:19 There's something going on. Yeah. I'm telling you, give me your bike. It's over. Bike. There are you have bikes. I don't think I've even seen a bicycle and floating around Switzerland. Give me your sled.

Starting point is 00:53:33 The skis, but that would be a big deal. Give me your sled. It's all over. So I've gotten to change topics. It turns out that Joe de Genova is a regular guest on one of the radio stations in Washington, D.C., WMAL, news talk 105.9. Oh, it's on FM. Yeah, it's a news talk, 105.9 news talk.

Starting point is 00:54:02 Now, a question, I know you're excited about Joe DeGenua. Is what he says interesting? Yes, actually, they give him a long segment. It's like a, it's not a zoo, but there's three people. This guy Larry O'Connor, who's in old. He's Joey. It's Joey. It's not a zoo.

Starting point is 00:54:23 It's not a zoo. They don't play it that way. Oh, okay. But they do have a white girl and a black girl and him, Larry O'Connor. He's an old pro who's been around a lot who's involved. with producing Dennis Miller. It was a blog talk radio. Blug talk radio.

Starting point is 00:54:44 What a success that was. Blog talk radio. Yeah, block talk radio. That's when we were all doing podcasting. Like, no, man, it's called audio blogs, okay? We're doing blog talk radio. I don't care what you want with your podcast. So I got a bunch of clips from this show, which is actually quite good.

Starting point is 00:55:06 for a local station. And I have the Genoa, but I have some other stuff too, and I want to play it. And this is, this will be Joe on, uh, he,

Starting point is 00:55:20 here's the, this is clip number one. This is Joe DeGeneva one. I'm not sure what's on this clip, but he, most of the clips are about Jack Smith. Great setup. Thank you.

Starting point is 00:55:30 Sorry. Well, it's great to have Joe de Geneva, a legal analyst, former U.S. attorney to the district of Columbia. Good morning, Joe. good Monday to you. Good morning, everybody.

Starting point is 00:55:38 Oh, goodness. By now, you like everyone in America. Okay, so what does not change is he's still on a horrible sounding connection over the phone, over the phone. Who still does remote interviews over the phone? Sorry, that just irks me that he hasn't upgraded anything. I'm in total agreement with you. It makes zero sense. This is 2026.

Starting point is 00:56:02 This is not 1970. I'm calling in from the heartland of America. Good morning, Joe. Good Monday to you. Good morning, everybody. By now, you like everyone in America and around the world have seen the point of view video taken by the ICE agent who eventually ended up having to use lethal force against Renee Good. So one ice agent says, get out of the car. That's the third time that ICE agent had instructed Renee Good to get out of the car. Then Renee Good, same-sex spouse yells, by the way, that turns out of the car.

Starting point is 00:56:34 Turns out, as I heard this morning, they were not actually married at all. There's no evidence they were ever married. Scandal. I know. They were living in, they were living out of wedlock? Out of wedlock and in severe sin. Yes, sir. Did Renee Good to get out of the car?

Starting point is 00:56:53 Then Renee Good, same-sex spouse yells, drive baby drive. And that she did. It drove right into an ice agent's and then shots fired. So, Joe, based on your legal analysis, is there, even gray area here on this one. No, none whatsoever. First of all, let's remember, this is a law enforcement action.

Starting point is 00:57:14 You know, I'm sorry, hold on. I am now sad that you've told, you mentioned, you brought up the point, which I kind of ignored, I guess, psychologically, that he's on a phone. Now all I hear is an idiot on the phone,

Starting point is 00:57:30 like maybe at a phone booth. Who knows where. Wait, wait, wait. He was actually able to find a phone booth. Yeah, phone booth is going through my brain. You've ruined these clips for me before I've even played them. We shall continue. This is a law enforcement action which is taking place in a public area where ICE has the absolute federal legal authority to operate. They were conducting ICE enforcement operations. That car had been following ICE all day trying to interfere in the execution of

Starting point is 00:58:06 duties. This was not just some random car that showed up. Good, the driver, perfectly got this clip. So this is reiterating everything. It's saying that the guy's going to get off and it just as normal analysis that he does.

Starting point is 00:58:22 I just want to move it along so I can get to the good stuff. But this is what he's, this is his gig now, Joe. He has, he works with this show and he comes on, I guess, on Mondays and a couple other times during the week. And he gives and he's an ex-U.S. Attorney, so he's got some chops from that regard.

Starting point is 00:58:40 He doesn't bring up anything about sealed indictments anymore. Oh, well, that was the whole point of playing him. Well, that was in the olden days, but now he does have some good stuff on Jack Smith. Okay. Explain who Jack Smith is. Jack Smith is. People have forgotten by now. What? Yes.

Starting point is 00:58:58 You really think so? Yes. Yes, I think so. Okay, Jack Smith, there's a phony baloney special prosecutor that was illegally dubbed to be a special prosecutor against Trump, and he did a bunch of illegal stuff to try to get the goods on Trump and get him thrown in jail. He couldn't accomplish it. But here's Joe on Jack Smith. And we're learning more and more about Jack Smith's Arctic Frost investigation, including a leaked memo now with some redactions, but at least we can glean from it based on Julie Kelly's reporting,

Starting point is 00:59:32 that Jack Smith paid an FBI informant to get dirt on Trump during this investigation. Is that typical behavior for a special prosecutor to pay an informant? I mean, if you've got an informant, why do they have to be paid? It's almost like there's an incentive there to... What? What? What is he talking about? The FBI pays informants or undercover human... What they call it?

Starting point is 00:59:58 Undercover human... Yeah, there's something. Yeah, no, I agree. He's off the mark there. But there's a nuance here that. Okay, okay. To get dirt on the subject of the investigation. Well, it is highly unusual for a prosecutor to pay informants.

Starting point is 01:00:16 That's usually done by the FBI or local law enforcement with the consent of a prosecutor. But it adds to the texture of the complete unconstitutional conduct of Jack Smith, Andrew Weissman, and everybody else associated who advised him. and Weissman was clearly one of his advisors throughout this process. This is a complete, absolute abuse of power. There was a fascinating article over the weekend by Jason Wittick, who is a writer, a columnist for the Washington Post, who described the damage to the First Amendment that Jack Smith did by going after the presidential speech of a politician like Donald Trump in the middle of the campaign.

Starting point is 01:00:57 That is the least of the damage that Jack Smith has done. He is completely unupended, neutral and detached law enforcement at the federal level, and he is singularly responsible for the lack of trust in the Department of Justice even to this day. It just seems like Jack Smith. Who cares about Jack Smith anymore? It seems to be completely off the radar. But they're trying to throw him in jail. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:01:24 But, you know. But here's part two. But Minneapolis, man. But Iran, man. Yeah, I'm in partial agreement with that idea. He does say one more thing about Jack Smith, which I thought was good, but we can skip that because I know you're not going to like it. It's too long.

Starting point is 01:01:41 But at the end of all, this is going on about how Jack Smith shouldn't do a public testimony because he's going to slam Trump. That's the summary. But then he says this little interesting kicker, this is the Joe de Genova kicker. Well, there's no doubt that the grand jury in Florida, which I, originally was going to be supervising, but won't be, because of Pam Bondi. There's no doubt that the grand jury in Florida has every opportunity to do exactly that, Larry, call all of those people into the grand jury in Florida, get their testimony, not just for

Starting point is 01:02:14 the raid on Mar-a-Lago, which was an outrageous abuse of constitutional authority by Jack Smith and Christopher Ray. Not just that, but for all of the actions that were taken prior to that, starting in 2016, six years before the raid on Marlago when FBI agents abused their power and when the FBI director James Comey outrageously violated the Constitution on numerous occasions. So what is this? So I tried doing some research on this. About the Florida?

Starting point is 01:02:45 About Pam Bondi and about him? Yeah. I can't find anything. So he's got a grudge against Pam Bondi. Pam Bondi did something. And I don't know what, but it irked him. And so that was the reason for this series of clips from the Genoa, because just this Pam Bondi thing.

Starting point is 01:03:05 Now, that said, I do have two clips from the same show, which got nothing to do with Joe to Geneva. It's about a trend going on in D.C. I didn't do nothing about. And I guess there's a Reddit thread about it, and it's a big deal. And this could go national. I have two clips. One of them was actually mislabel on my,

Starting point is 01:03:28 you have them correct. Crying in public. Tell me if you heard about this. Crying in public? I have not heard about this. I've heard about crying on TikTok and crying on your Instagram. Yeah, they cry a lot,

Starting point is 01:03:45 but this is the jaw dropper. It's amazing. WUSA Channel 9. here in D.C. They've put together an article. They've been looking at D.C. Reddit threads over the last six years where people share their top places to go to cry in the District of Columbia. So we're talking the streets of the, excuse me, the steps of the Lincoln Memorial, the Andrew Mellon Memorial Fountain, the United States National Arboretum. You know, again, these are all public places. Union Station. I would cry when I would cry when I'm. I was walking through Union Station because I was terrified of the drug addicts and the and the stench of the criminal vagrants that were urinating in the halls there before Trump cleaned it up. How about the Botanic Gardens?

Starting point is 01:04:35 Oh, the steps of the Watergate. Come on. Are you serious? Yeah. It's just strange, strange stuff. You've got the Library of Congress National Park. Are we talking about baseball? Well, listen, if you're a Nats fan, you were doing a lot of crying this season.

Starting point is 01:04:51 Exactly. Okay. That's somewhat understandable. Yeah, that one will forgive. Yeah. This really is, it's a disturbing part of, I think, this trend that you see all the time. Heather Hunter had a great post on X about this, that you do see all these people who are filming themselves crying and then posting it to TikTok as though it's this. Oh, there you go. Is it something that they should be proud of and to be publicly celebrated or something? It's very strange. Yeah. And it's like, you know, it's like, you know, it's like, it's like, It's self-induced struggle session on social media. Wait, it's crapping out.

Starting point is 01:05:26 What? What? He self-induced what? I don't know. That was the, I try, that was on the recording. Yeah,

Starting point is 01:05:32 I'm trying to figure out what he's saying, self-induced. It's strange. Yeah, and it's, it's like, you know, it's like a self-induced struggle session. Oh, self-induced struggle session. Like a Chinese struggle session.

Starting point is 01:05:45 Oh, oh, oh, I didn't get that at all. Interesting observation. Yeah, and it's, it's, it's, It's like, you know, it's like a self-induced struggle session on social media that you're supposed to be having, I guess, because you're ashamed of your privilege or something. I don't know. I honestly don't know. People, the left in Washington, D.C. run the show. They've got, you know, it's not conservatives that are going out there and weeping on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial.

Starting point is 01:06:13 And they have, they own the district council, they own the mayor seat, they vote 92% Democrat. They have their run of the place, but it's not enough power for them. Okay. So first of all, shame on these guys for broadcasting through Skype or whatever or Zoom. Because that sounds like a Zoom glitch. That was off of their website. I know. I know.

Starting point is 01:06:38 It's ridiculous. I agree. But, yeah. This phenomenon, I mean, obviously people are so upset. they really, I believe it. I believe they're really upset and they're upset enough to cry. They feel hopeless. Yeah, but then they put up a website so they have certain cool places to cry.

Starting point is 01:07:02 Let's go to the steps of the Lincoln Memorial and film ourselves crying. This is a good spot. It's got nice background. It's got the right ambiance. Give me a break. This kind of goes along with the Minneapolis. We're only here for love, which is just the continuous message from the mayor and from the governor. I feel very bad that people are this disoriented and this sad.

Starting point is 01:07:25 And yeah, of course, you want to, you want to, I mean, when you're in a, if you all get together and you're all sad and you're mourning together, I will mourn with you. Yes, I will cry with you. I feel very bad. Play clip too and then tell me more what you think. You know, and it is interesting that this has been going on for six years. So it's not even, I mean, we know that this could, I wouldn't have been surprised if this was part of like the Trump derangement syndrome, people, you know, not knowing how to handle their

Starting point is 01:07:53 feelings over the last year when they've been after the big Kamala Harris loss. But no, this is something that I guess is just a regular feature of Washington, D.C. life now. Well, they're being exploited, obviously. Six years. I mean, it started with Biden or either end of Trump or maybe COVID. And they're crying away. And there's a, I think this struggles. I'm glad you're caught that because I couldn't I couldn't hear it either this the idea of a struggle session which is a very lefty communist thing where you you know you you're privileged and so you have to get the let's get the definition of the struggle session of course it comes for from china

Starting point is 01:08:36 also known as denunciation rallies where violent public spectacles in Mao's china were where people accused of being class enemies were publicly humiliated so it's not quite the same thing That's kind of humiliating to cry in public. But this is a self-induced struggle session. He was correct in what he said. A self-induced struggle session. But let me just play the beginning of this clip because it includes a Minneapolis protester. And just listen to what he says because this is the belief.

Starting point is 01:09:14 Rising tensions came to a head. Antian pro-ice protest. clashed as police roamed the streets of Minneapolis, a city emblematic of a national divide. I don't know what happened next, but I'm scared because I think Donald Trump wants to use Minneapolis as a key or a hotspot to launch his coup. He's trying to create fascism. He's trying to end the republic. He's trying to create violence so that he can send in the troops. That is what they believe. Yes. And they believe. I've got a ton of, I have no, I didn't take any. I didn't take any of these clips, but I have seen tons of them where you have exactly what you said. Yes, they all say

Starting point is 01:09:56 that kind of thing and they all genuinely believe it. They're taught to believe it somehow through the media and their local leaders. Yes. Yes. And now that this struggle session idea has been brought into this thinking, I have to say that that is very concerning. Well, this is a this is the white privilege thing taken to the limit. Yeah, this is like a, this is like race, race, race,

Starting point is 01:10:28 race, race suicide. Oh, I'm glad you brought that up because if we look at Minneapolis and I have clips and, you know, Jacob Fry was on with Brennan and this morning and with Jonathan Carl and,

Starting point is 01:10:42 you know, blah, blah. And it's all kind of, first of all, it's all about the midterms. And both, Both sides are exploiting this. This is what you do. You exploit human emotion to get people to vote.

Starting point is 01:10:57 And so you drive, it's called a wedge issue. It used to be abortion. I'm sorry. Healthcare. Reproductive health care. Reproductive rights. Reproductive rights. So the new one is they're ripping families apart.

Starting point is 01:11:16 They're doing all these things. And so I get emails from people and they say, hey, you know, I'm all about ice removing illegal immigrants and violent crimes. And then go on to say, but, you know, I'm not okay with people being stopped on the street. And to that I want to just say the following. first of all, everybody had the opportunity to self, not extradite, to self-deport themselves with a thousand dollars and a plane ticket to then re-register and come in legally. And I don't know if that'll take five months or five years. But, and we have it here. We had 33 people picked up on Main Street in Fredericksburg.

Starting point is 01:12:04 and I'm sure that some of these people are, you know, that they're, in fact, I know for a fact, that one of the cleaning services, ICE raided the cleaning service and took a bunch of cleaning ladies. And it's heartbreaking, but, you know, either we have a country with laws or we don't. And so the whole racist angle, because it is racist, on, of people thinking, this way is, well, I don't like it that brown and black people are being stopped and asked for their papers. Well, we are under kind of an emergency situation. But the same people never emailed me and said, gee, doesn't it suck for straight white men who cannot get a job and haven't been

Starting point is 01:12:53 able to do that for at least five, six years? No one mentioned that. So, you know, life is not fair, but if we're going to fix our country, I think we have to go through this. And people who are just, I mean, you know, it's like there is no fix. These people, you know, how technology often represents human behavior. I think these people are like large language models, except they've been trained on one set of data, mainly from Reddit, apparently. And by the way, there are actual large language models. that train on Reddit.

Starting point is 01:13:34 Oh, yeah. I think a lot of them do. So once you have this in your corpus, what's going to come out is always going to be a pattern recognition of the same behavior, the same answers. And in fact, just to interrupt you,

Starting point is 01:13:48 the, but go ahead. But just to interrupt you. Yeah. Just to interrupt you. Elon posted today a note, somebody had done some research and found out that chat GPT in particular, only recommended Kamala Harris to people who were questioning, you know,

Starting point is 01:14:07 asked questions about who to vote for and never once recommended Donald Trump. That's part of the corpus. Yes. Interesting. You bring that up. I was using Gemini a few weeks back. I didn't, I forgot to mention this. And I was looking up information about Nick Fuentes. And I really, you know, for as much as I bag on AI, I really do enjoy the Gemini Pro research capabilities and it has sources and you can go and check everything and it does a pretty reasonable rundown. I'm enjoying, it saves me work. It does. No, I think this stuff is excellent for some of this. However, so it gave me a full rundown of Fuentes and then I said, could you

Starting point is 01:14:52 please do the same analysis with a positive view of Fuentes? And no matter how I asked the question, it said, I'm sorry, I cannot do that. that for people who are, and I forget the exact term, but people who are, like basically, people who are racist or who are known Nazi sympathizers or the anti-Semites, I cannot do research. I'm like, well, there it is. That's exactly. And I had to ask for it because it wasn't going to give me a pro and a con. It gave me Fuentes is no good.

Starting point is 01:15:29 and when I say, please give me an overview of, and I'll just give me a positive view, what things are positive. I'm sorry, I can't even give you that. That's, now, there's the reason I dislike AI. I'm all in with that thinking. It's disgusting that the AI does that, and it does it all the time. So the, and, and you know what, no, GROC. It's all left.

Starting point is 01:15:54 But GROC does the same thing. It's not conservative. If Grock does the same thing. Grock can't give me a positive Nick Fuentes. It can't. You tried it? Yes. Oh, yeah. I tried Chad GPD. And, you know, Grock may do a little bit more, but, you know, it basically, whenever it comes to

Starting point is 01:16:12 anti-Semitism, well, I can't really do stuff. And we know because Elon got in trouble for that. And he immediately put some guardrails around it. So the point is, when people's brains are programmed, and even though I complain that, you know, who's really watching this stuff. It is the mainstream that the podcast industrial

Starting point is 01:16:33 complex picks up. You know, the podcast, sorry for the phrase, circle jerk, everybody going on each other's podcast. I'm on his tomorrow. He'll be on mine next week. Be on your podcast. I was on your pod.

Starting point is 01:16:47 It was great. Yeah, we agree. Oh, yeah, I totally agree. They get it all from there. So it is narrative setting. It really is. That's where the clips come from. So it does trickle down. So it is important that we do this work that we're doing. But you cannot deprogram these people.

Starting point is 01:17:08 I think the president's plan, and this is the only plan, and that give him 45% chance it's going to work. If he can turn our country into a success where everybody has more money, or at least more purchasing power, where everybody is able to buy a home or have an affordable rent. He added another thing, by the way. Or get a job. Yes?

Starting point is 01:17:34 If you're white. Thank you. Get a job if you're white. He added something that you can now take out early, take out money from your 401K, early retirement, at no penalty if it's for buying a house. And you never have to pay tax on it. It stays within the house.

Starting point is 01:17:52 It's kind of interesting dynamic. But if he can achieve that where people actually see success, he said this early on, I think, in 2015, or 2016, he said, I will bring together people by making America successful. And so far, you know, people aren't seeing it. They aren't feeling it. So I just hope that he hangs in there and does it. Well, there's a lot of struggle against it.

Starting point is 01:18:19 There's overt action against it. Of course. that's good you know they fight they fight it or fighting it Democrats and Republicans alike they're all fighting it yeah they're fighting it either by directly fighting it so I feel I really feel bad these people need Jesus they need prayer

Starting point is 01:18:42 whatever it is they need they need something other than a struggle session on the steps of Watergate you know so believers go out there and preach over them I don't know. We've got to do something because even if we're successful, if we can't look at our neighbors, the country's doomed. You know, you can't just have, we can't just be posting videos of people crying all the time on X. But it's no future. It's no future for, by the way, I'm going to meet a granddad.

Starting point is 01:19:19 Oh, good for you. Yeah. Well, I had nothing to do with it. Yeah, you didn't do anything. what are you bragging about? I'm not bragging. I'll take all the credit, he says. I'm happy.

Starting point is 01:19:30 I'm happy. I'm happy. I was hoping this would happen. But, you know, so we. So I want, I want my grand child to have some kind of future. I know it's not going to be the EU. Well, you don't, they're in the EU now as far as I can tell. Yeah, I'm going to get them out. Yeah, sure you are.

Starting point is 01:19:46 I'm going to do an extraction. It's not easy to, you think. Agent Orange, get ready. We're going to, I'm going to black. bag him, throw hoods over their heads. You might as well kidnap them like might have to. Or theme. Yeah, like getting them out of

Starting point is 01:20:01 Scientology. I'm going to bust them up. So it says you were on AI, I wanted to get these grok clips out of the way. Okay. Because there's a bunch of, everyone's got their panties in a bunch. Hey, I called this. I called this. I know you did. I was looking at

Starting point is 01:20:19 dance fans. Yeah. Because I was getting, by the way, why don't I'm getting now? I'm getting something new now. Oh, yeah, I'm getting, for some reason, my feet is loaded with these, with the cop break in the window. Oh. I'm getting like. I know, like the sovereign citizens, people like, I'm traveling.

Starting point is 01:20:43 I am not committing commerce. Can you prove that I was speeding, Ossifer? Yeah. Can I see the thing that proves it? I'm not getting out. I'm not doing this. And then he breaks the window. So I think this is a,

Starting point is 01:20:58 I think this is, I put this in one of my comments. I think this is the, the glass window replacement lobby. I know. Okay. It's really native advertising. Okay.

Starting point is 01:21:15 That is promoting people not to open their door. John, you're stuck in an alcohol hole. Close the tab. Close the tab. Elon Musk was forced to put more restrictions on his social media platform X and its AI chat bot GROC this week after its image generator sparked outrage around the world. Outrage!

Starting point is 01:21:36 As Lanzander explains, GROC was and still is creating non-consensual sexualized images, prompting some countries to ban the bot. Omna Musk finally began bowing to pressure this week and announced that X will use geo-blocking to prevent GROC from creating deep fake images of people in revealing swimsuits, underwear, and other clothing in places where the law prohibits it. But the move has not stopped the standalone app, known as GROC Imagine, from generating explicit images. The late changes have not appeased regulators, and now the governments of Malaysia, Indonesia, and the Philippines have banned the chatbot altogether. Britain and Canada have launched probes into GROC, and the possibility of tougher penalties for Musk are on the table. To help us understand more about GROC's troubles and why they persist, I'm joined by Rihanna

Starting point is 01:22:27 Pfeffercorn, a policy fellow at the Stanford Institute. Wait a minute, that's just German for peppercorn. Give me a right. I'm joined by Rihanna Pfeffercorn, a policy fellow at the Stanford Institute for Human Centered Artificial Intelligence. Rihanna, thank you for joining us this Friday. Hey, hi. Thank you for having me.

Starting point is 01:22:46 Yeah. I want to start with, what does this latest series of problems with Grock, these sexually explicit, non-consensual images. What does this tell us of the safety of women and minors on the internet? Oh, man, I love this. Safety? No, but it's sexual assault. Doing this is, they've changed this into sexual assault where,

Starting point is 01:23:11 because I had the, I started talking about this because I fell into that alcohol. Because, of course, like, it's like, hey, put a bikini on her. Okay, click. Oh, okay. And then you do that. And then the feed is filled. I just, I haven't even looked at X for a week because I'm just just like, I'm tired of it. Because I also was getting the glass stuff.

Starting point is 01:23:31 I clicked on one of those. But it starts with women who are putting up pictures that are explicitly provocative. Look at me. Look how good I look. Look at my butt. You know, so it's like, you know, go back to the source. Look at my butt. Come on.

Starting point is 01:23:51 That's if, you know, if you ever go out and. I never leave the house. I can't take a chance. Well, this is just not a scenario for you. But, you know, we go out with friends and like, oh, let's take a picture because we all look great. We're all dressed in. Oh, I refuse to take part in these picture taking sessions. Right.

Starting point is 01:24:09 But so here's how it works. You take the picture and then you have to hand the camera to the women and they all take the camera, the phone, one by one. And I do pinch zoom, pinch zoom. Okay, can you see my neck? Do I have a flabby arms? How does my butt look? And then you have to have approval from everybody.

Starting point is 01:24:28 For 18 years. But then it's like, and here's the funny thing. So this doesn't happen. It rarely happens that it's like Grock put a bikini on this ugly woman. No. It's good-looking women. And Keith Starrmer. Kier-Starmer.

Starting point is 01:24:48 Because this is not about sexual assault at all. This is about shutting down grok in as many countries, municipalities, states. I don't care what. This is about something else. Most of these women are probably like, dang, girl, I look good in the bikini. Because it's true. Now, I mean, I... Can I ask you a quick question here?

Starting point is 01:25:14 Yeah, yeah. As you're going on and on. what is the difference between put a bikini on her and let's go back to 1990 and I take the head off of somebody with Photoshop and put it on a bikini-clad model. And then I post it and say, this is good. Oh, Louise looks great here in her bikini. What is the difference? The funny thing is that the women look great in these bikinis.

Starting point is 01:25:44 that's the difference. It looks good. I put the head on a on a bikini model. How can they look any better than that? Well, exactly, because it's not about that. It's not about that.

Starting point is 01:26:01 If you don't want your picture manipulated with Photoshop or Grock or what's the thing? What does Gemini has something funny? There's a bunch of these systems. Banana ram or something. have some banana thing. There's a

Starting point is 01:26:16 A upload of them. Yeah. So, you know, I, last night I took a, this is, okay, great example.

Starting point is 01:26:22 So we're watching, the Crown, the series, because we've been doing all of our historical series. And, and we,

Starting point is 01:26:31 you know, take a break between episodes and get something to drink. And I'm looking at my phone and says, whoa, you have new

Starting point is 01:26:37 capabilities and features on your phone. I'm like, oh, all right, what is this? And it says, you can take a picture, you can add a picture into a text message, just click on the banana, I kid you not,

Starting point is 01:26:50 and say what you want to change in the picture. So I say, hey, teen, let me take a picture. Boom, take a picture. And I type into it, turn my wife into a queen. Within two seconds, it's fantastic. She looks like a queen. She's in a royal room. She's got the crown arm.

Starting point is 01:27:07 She's got the hermeline, you know, the cape, everything. And she's like, wow, that looks really good. I said you should post it. No, no, no, I have to have makeup on. I'm not going to put. You see my point? Is that no. It's not about women feeling abused because women love to have great pictures of themselves if they're this type of woman who posts that, even if it's just sporadically, we're at the restaurant. It's about shutting down Elon Musk.

Starting point is 01:27:38 That's what it's about. Now, that's a good point. because I will agree with that. Because they hate, I don't know what it is, but everybody seems to, ever since Musk went from being, this is what happens when you leave a cult. Musk was a lifelong Democrat.

Starting point is 01:27:59 When I left the Democratic Party, which was in 1980. Look what happened. You became a podcaster. Where's that career gone? They killed all your career chances. The point is, is that you would have to spend years taking grief from the Democrats because you left the

Starting point is 01:28:20 cult and they would do everything they could. And then after a while, then it was just forgotten. But it takes like a decade to be forgotten. And Elon must left the cult. The same with Trump. The Trump is the same. They hate him. The same reason.

Starting point is 01:28:37 He was the same reason. He quit the Democrat Party. and it was recently, more more recently than me. Excellent. And he became an apostate. And so he had to be killed, you know. It's just like this a cult. And so you end up with going after Musk because he did the sin of sins, which was quitting the cult.

Starting point is 01:29:00 But I think you're right. This is all about Musk as all there is to it. And that's why they featured it on PBS, this is clip two. Well, it illustrates that having your image, online or taking a view while you're just out in public living your life is no longer safe from being manipulated in order to depict you in a humiliating and harassing context in which you never appeared in real life. That's irrespective of whether you yourself personally may have an account online since other people could post pictures of you or of your child even if you don't have

Starting point is 01:29:32 the account on X or on Grock. By the way, I have never ever on GROC seen a sexualized picture of a child with a put a bikini on it. I've not seen it. Neither have I. Just yesterday, Ashley St. Clair, who is the mother of one of Elon Musk's children, she sued Grok alleging that it was negligent and allowed users to post deep fakes of her in explicit poses even after she complained to the company. Here's what she told CBS. Take your pictures off the system. Groh said, I... Hold on. This is a woman scorned, should not be even on the the show. We cannot, this is a good example of PBS leaving out the other side of the story.

Starting point is 01:30:18 And we did play clips of her when this first came out. So we once again are way ahead of the mainstream. Grock said, I confirm that you don't consent. I will no longer produce these images. And then it continued to produce more and more images and more explicit images. Now, this is, I found this to be interesting because I saw that. I saw that she posted at Grock. I do. not give my consent. So somehow, not only is she a woman scorned, is she in the cult, but she also has this belief that AI actually has some intelligence and that you can tell it that and it will no longer do what you told it to do. I mean, do these people read at all, ever about this stuff and its capabilities? No.

Starting point is 01:31:05 How are these images bypassing GROC's safety systems? How are these images bypassing GROC's safety systems? How is this legal? So it's a great question. I don't have visibility into what Brox's internal safety systems are. It sounds like gradually, in response to regulatory and public pressure, they've been trying to institute more safeguards. But it's really difficult to implement effective safeguards against various kinds of unwanted content.

Starting point is 01:31:29 As we can see playing out from Grox's own users, users are very creative in how they try to get around any guardrails that may have been built in in order to continue to generate the kind of content that even in good faith, a platform may be trying to inhibit its model from producing. There's no secret. All you have to do is being a paying member. You can do whatever you want. They're very creative. Oh, they're prompt wizards. No. No. You just say it. But again, you don't want people putting, you know, a different head on your head on someone else's body or you don't want grok putting a bikini on you. Don't post your pictures.

Starting point is 01:32:09 that is the answer. You don't have something right. I put it on this thing I pay no money for and I'm upset. They did something with it. Come on. This is, this is, this is ego.

Starting point is 01:32:24 It's, it's, it's unconsurable. All right, the third clip. Grock has had other problems in the past year or so. There was anti-Semitic tropes that it was posting. Troops. No, no. What is the sense in Silicon Valley and in the tech community about why Grock

Starting point is 01:32:40 is acting this way and cannot get a hold of itself. And suddenly, suddenly the whole concept of the freedom of speech that you can say what you want to, and then I may not like it, but I will defend it to the death. This has been thrown out the window at PBS. You know, you may not like what Nick Fuentes says, but he has the right to say it. And you have the right to say something contrary to what he's saying. But now, you know, we're slipping into this area. where a large portion of our population and of the world, in fact,

Starting point is 01:33:15 but we have a constitution with the freedom of speech, not free speech, freedom of speech, and these people want it gone in certain instances. No. You know, that's a complicated question. I would suspect that some part of it may have to do with what training data has gone into the model. It may be that there isn't child abuse imagery directly underlying the model here, for GROC, but it might be that it was trained on extremist or Nazi and white supremacist material.

Starting point is 01:33:46 So that might go to account for it. And I'll note that XAI filed a lawsuit shortly before New Year's, trying to enjoin a California law that has just gone into effect that would require AI companies to transparently release a summary of their data training sources. You wrote a New York Times op-ed. Are you familiar with this California law? Oh, now I am because they talked about it on the show, but I haven't heard about it locally. So are certain sources going to be foreboughton now? I mean, well, that would be the idea. Anything that would be against the Democrat Party.

Starting point is 01:34:21 California. That would inhibit the sweep of the midterms. But remember, remember, what were the top global risks? Disinformation and misinformation. by artificial intelligence. And they're starting here. Yeah, this is all propaganda. They're starting here. You wrote a New York Times op-ed a few days ago. It said, quote, there's one easy solution to the AI porn problem. In a nutshell, what would that be? What is the solution here?

Starting point is 01:34:55 Well, I'm not sure that it's as easy as the headline suggests. Nevertheless, what I argue in the op-ed for the Times is that AI researchers and AI model developers, need what we would call a safe harbor in the law to enable them to... Hold on a second. This poor mother who feels sexually abused seems to be somewhat of a well-informed activist. She's not just some dummy off the street. She knows all about how it's done, training models. She knows about laws.

Starting point is 01:35:29 Is it something about the one person being interviewed? Yeah, isn't she still the Elon lady? or is there someone else? No, no, no, no. The Elon lady's long gone. This is the person from Stanford. Oh, same difference. Who was a lesbian.

Starting point is 01:35:44 I don't even think she's a mother. And she's giving us a long lecture on this. And she obviously didn't write the headline on that New York Times piece because writers don't write headlines. No. Well, okay. People have to remember that. Let's continue with the sinner.

Starting point is 01:35:56 Better test image generation models for their capacity produced potentially illegal content without themselves fearing prosecution for trying and faith to better safeguard those models. Yeah, I thought that was particularly interesting. Can you talk a little bit about what that means those red teams and how AI researchers basically work on this right now? So red teaming is the practice of basically trying to act like a malicious user would and try and attack your model every which way to see if you can figure out what exploits may

Starting point is 01:36:29 be latent, what loopholes are there. And then you can try and close those holes in order to make the product safe and keep actual bad actors from misusing those potential loopholes. All right. So this is, I think we've determined this is just the first shot across the bow to shut down public use of artificial intelligence for these types, with distribution. I would say it's AI with distribution is what they are worried about.

Starting point is 01:36:57 That'll be the top topic in between skiing at Davos. And when it comes to the United Kingdom, I would say that what is happening right now in the past 10 days is part of the reason they want to shut this down. Are you familiar with Amelia Rose? I don't know. Okay. So I got a quick explainer, but not really that quick. This is...

Starting point is 01:37:25 And by the way, you're violating your own rule. What did I do? You said Davos. Oh, Davo. I'm sorry. Thank you for correcting me. Davo, yes. Well, I'll get back into it once we start getting asymmetric information from Davo. This is the Joy Heretic, a YouTuber, explaining the Amelia phenomenon. I assume that you know what the Amelia phenomenon is.

Starting point is 01:37:55 Just in case you don't, perhaps you're a miracle or something, there is a computer game, essentially, that's been put out by a group called Prevent, which aims to prevent the young people getting involved in terrorism, but actually focuses on preventing young people from getting involved in what it calls the dangerous far right. And the computer game is called Pathways. In that computer game, you can choose to be Charlie a boy or Charlie a girl. And you meet a girl called Amelia. And Amelia basically encourages you to get involved in things like saving your country

Starting point is 01:38:26 and stopping grooming gangs and protesting against fake refugees and all of this sort of thing. Amelia is a girl that you meet at your sixth form college, where the other people are very sensibly and normally and boringly dressed, and Amelia isn't. Now, why has this become such a phenomenon from an evolutionary perspective? It has taken off so much, and of course it has. She is now the new symbol of being based, the new symbol of being on the far right or the base right or red pill or whatever you want to call it. You've got amazing videos that have been made about her. She's our cult figure, and it's happened due to AI technology and so forth in only about a week. What is it about her? Why has this been such a miscalculation on the part of those that made the game? What were they trying to do? Well, they're trying to make Amelia out to be this evil, nasty, untrustworthy kind of person, and they are projecting onto the rights, basically, onto those whom they oppose their own qualities. So what has happened, I think you understand what his setup was there.

Starting point is 01:39:41 Yeah, I have a peripheral knowledge of this. So I'm just going to play some of the audio. Like, I cut it way down. Because, of course, with AI, and so now anime is going, because the whole thing is kind of anime-ish, although it's a little more life form realistic than anime

Starting point is 01:40:01 and they've programmed it to do this. Hi, I'm Amelia. And she looks like all of the young, like 16, 17 year old girls when we were living in Gilford, Christina's friends, and they have, you know, a skirt on and they have cute little socks,

Starting point is 01:40:21 and, you know, they got their little flat shoes. She's got pink hair. A cute girl. Hi, I'm Amelia. I'm English and I love England. I like having fish and chips and a pint at the local pub. I like Shakespeare and Dickens, Tolkien and Lewis, Harry Potter. I like pork sausage and dogs and fashion. Haram! Haram!

Starting point is 01:40:46 But I don't like that. Brits are famously polite, but it mustn't mean we're willing to commit cultural suicide. Our institutions, the Church of England, the BBC, are a bunch of queers and nonces. How the bloody hell did we go from Churchill to you, you get? Sadiq Khan the mayor, this is London, mate, not Afghanistan, or Star Wars. Our government won't even protect our schoolgirls from grooming gangs. Son off, packy-wankers! Police won't help. They're too busy conviscating garden tools and suppressing free speech.

Starting point is 01:41:19 That's right, miss. What have I done, officer? You've tweeted rudely, and you're under a rinker. curry is fine but we have several recipes already. We don't need two million Indians here to make it for us. There are 50 Islamic nations in the world. Muslims don't need to be on our island. They want to conquer it.

Starting point is 01:41:36 The government says it must be this way. That doesn't make it right, does it Robin Hood? These dragons that threaten our England won't go away unless brave knights rise up to slay them. Or did all the British bloodlines with any bollocks get killed off in World Wars 1 and 2? Englishmen. It's your country. and it's being taken from you.

Starting point is 01:41:57 Chav, posh, doesn't matter. We're already all in this together. I don't want this to be the future of the women of England, and I'm sure the women of Iran and Afghanistan didn't want it either. Your ancestors beat the Spanish Armada, Napoleon, and the Nazis. Surely you can handle welfare tourists. History will record what you do or don't do. Get cracking lads. Love Amelia.

Starting point is 01:42:18 It's really the digital version of the Guy Fox Mask, but it is powerful. It is powerful. I saw this. I didn't clip it, but I saw this video. And she's a little better than anime. Yeah, so I say it's life-like anime. It's very, it's very AI life. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:42:37 I don't understand what's going on in so far as, are they thinking that this is going to repel people? Or it's supposed to, it's supposed to have the opposite effect? No, hold on, hold on. The game that this is based on was supposed to, repel people from Amelia, but they took Amelia and turned her into a superhero saying all the things. Who's they? The right? The Tommy Robinson. Who in the right did this? Well, I don't know who did this, but this is online. You could have made it. I could have made it.

Starting point is 01:43:13 Now everyone's making these videos of Amelia. And Amelia is a pro-English girl who is saying, get out with all this nonsense. Right. Get out of town. It's the exact opposite of what her character, her character was meant to be in this game. So you can just see these numnuts going, I know how to reach the young people. We need to repel them from this type of thinking with a game. And you'll be childish. Well, that was a screw up. Exactly. So back to Davos. They are deathly afraid of what is now possible with AI for mimology, mnemonic warfare. That's what this is. And they're losing. Mm-hmmic warfare. You like that, huh?

Starting point is 01:43:56 Yeah. It's fifth generation warfare, man. That's from down the street, my neighbor. Cut. Man. That's the guy with the dogs or the guy with the wild kids? Both. It's the same guy.

Starting point is 01:44:12 He's talking about. It's the same guy. Yeah. And it's out of hand. So now everybody is making. Amelia is doing everything. She's plowing down people. You know, the Brits are sick of it.

Starting point is 01:44:26 They're sick of it. And the only power they have, apparently, is to do this. Although I remember in the 70s, you saw those thin farmers coming down from the north with their literal pitchforks was a little different scenario. But they don't want it. They're done with it. I don't think it's reversible. You're an optimist. No.

Starting point is 01:44:52 This to me is going to be. nothing more than sublimation. Sublimation? Yeah, sublimation. The idea that you push this out there, which is good material, and he said, I feel a lot better now. And then you don't do nothing. Well, I believe there's other forces at play than just the people. I mean, I think, you know, I believe in a different system.

Starting point is 01:45:13 Yeah, well, you can think that all you want. Until I see some action and some change. I didn't say think. I said, I believe. That's different. You can believe what you want. but until I see the actual change. Nothing's, nothing's, you know, this is sublimation.

Starting point is 01:45:30 It's a classic example. And it works great because you feel like, oh, this is terrific. People are, their awakening is taken place. And then that's all you, as far as you go. It doesn't get, I don't see where it's getting anyone riled up. Well, they're clearly worried about it. Otherwise, it wouldn't be the top of the agenda. You know, I think historically,

Starting point is 01:45:52 you do eventually push people too far. I think witness Iran. Now, I don't know if anything's going to change there. We're certainly not going to do it. But by the way, I love... So, you know, President Trump turned on a dime and went, nah, now I'm not going to do anything. And all of the podcasters,

Starting point is 01:46:13 all of the anti-war podcasts who have been yelling for years, Trump is he not... He's just another neocon. You're going to be in more foreign wars. More foreign wars. Look at him. He's going to be the same. It's all going to be the same.

Starting point is 01:46:28 But when he turns down the opportunity to do anything, you never hear them say, wow, that was great. He stepped away from it. That's awesome. No, because they're secretly Trump haters. It's not about anti-war. They hate Trump. And they love likes and clicks and views and money.

Starting point is 01:46:48 Dave Smith. Everybody loves money. Oh, no. It's not the first thing I love. It's just not. I didn't say it was the first thing everyone loved. Did I? I said everyone loves money.

Starting point is 01:47:00 You have to have money to pay the bills. We have bills that need paying. Everybody likes money. This show has bills that needs paying. Okay. But I... That was a cue. No, before you go there,

Starting point is 01:47:15 I don't do this show for money. That's kind of what I'm saying. saying. I'm doing the show for other. I like it. I like doing the show. Yeah, well, we both like doing the show. But it's not, it's, it's the first reason. If I didn't like it, I go do something else. The public service, what we're doing. But it's still, it results in bills. We have our own servers because we have to have our own servers. Okay, I got the cue, all right. I got it. We'll go to the donation. With that, I want to thank you for your courage, say in the morning to you, the man who put the sea in leaving the cult.

Starting point is 01:47:56 Say hello to your friend on the other end, and mine as well. John C. Good morning. In the morning, you, Mr. Adam, Currie. Wow. 20, awesome. Sleep on the ground,

Starting point is 01:48:10 feed the air, subs in the water, all the dames are nice out there. In the morning to the trolls in the troll room. Let me have you. I could barely hear the troll count over your noise makers there. We have a peak trollage, 1,922, I'm always amazed at that many people. But I'm amazed.

Starting point is 01:48:30 And people who... You want to know what the high mark was? Oh, 2,800? No, 4,000, I think at some point. Yeah, over 4,000. Yeah, well, and so? And what were the circumstances of that? I think World War III was about to break out.

Starting point is 01:48:47 That's exactly right. And, you know, people like, let me see it. Sunday, is World War III breaking out? No, it's not breaking out, so let's go do something. I'll listen to it tomorrow. I'll listen to it tomorrow. It's okay. But if you want to listen to us live, you can do that with a modern podcast app.

Starting point is 01:49:07 Go to podcast apps.com. We actually give you a live stream in your podcast app. You don't get that on Apple, Spotify, Amazon, YouTube, any of that stuff. If you want to listen to this show live, just subscribe to No Agenda show in a modern podcast app. We send out the bat signal when we're live. You tap on it. You're listening live. You're like you want to go mow the lawn.

Starting point is 01:49:31 It's fine. Close it. And then just wait until we post it. 90 seconds within posting it should show up in your modern podcast app. If it doesn't let me know, then something's broken. But that is all part of the podcast in 2.0 initiative. Another thing I do, not for the money. Actually, not for the money.

Starting point is 01:49:47 There's no money. I just do it for the love and a public service. And we do this. Value for value, which is just a wonderful way to work. We don't have a job. We create. We are creators of value. We are convinced and apparently other people are as well that what we do has value

Starting point is 01:50:09 and all we say is, did you get something out of this? Is there something you can talk to your neighbor about? Something you can say to your sister or your mom or your friend? Is it something that did you learn something? You feel better about it? Do you feel like you can look at the world and go, nothing new under the sun? And maybe you heard a good joke or two. Then send something back to us, time, talent, or treasure.

Starting point is 01:50:36 And you can participate in many ways. One of the big things, and this is important, is hitting people in the mouth. That is our formula. It has been for over 18 years. Tell somebody about the show. There's no discovery mechanism. There's no name recognition that makes a show listenable. you know, that people listen to the show.

Starting point is 01:50:55 This is not like YouTube where you click on one video or like X. And all of a sudden you get in all kinds of smashing window videos. No, that's not how it works. People will take that recommendation from you. And that is how you build up no agenda nation. That's a great way to help us out. It really is. Other ways is creating end of show mixes.

Starting point is 01:51:16 I did no AI end of show mixes for today. And the simple reason, because they're no good. They're just no good. And you know what? So here's... Those are good? No. No, those aren't AI.

Starting point is 01:51:29 Those are old. Those are old... No, no. Today, I'm saying, generally speaking, we've heard good AI songs. When they're toe tappers, when it's a big band, those sound pretty good.

Starting point is 01:51:39 But now people are getting... Because now that I've played a few, they're like do a whole song with lyrics. Unless the lyrics are on the screen, which is how you're viewing your song, it's not interpretable. That's a song that is a hit song is not just because you put

Starting point is 01:51:53 snappy lyrics to it. It takes a certain magic that you're just not creating with AI. And here's why I stopped playing, unless it's exceptionally good. There's some hook that really grabs me. It's off the table. And it happened because, here you go again, there's one lady on X and she posts videos of bands from the 70s, 80s. And it's always like, do you know the song? Do you know the band? And usually just by looking at it, I'm like, oh, I know exactly who that is. And I tap on it. I'm like, I'm like, oh, yeah, that's a great song. And I hit one because I knew who it was. It was Candy Dolfer playing saxophone.

Starting point is 01:52:33 She played with Prince and Dire Straits and Magnoppler. And I was just listening to it. And I'm hearing she's kind of playing with the electric guitar. And he's playing, and then she goes, and like, no AI has ever achieved that. It's so beautiful. And it completely turned me sour on all the AI stuff.

Starting point is 01:52:58 Completely. It's like, no, it's not music anymore. It's no good. And the same... God. What a bigot. No, a bigot. It doesn't do anything for my soul.

Starting point is 01:53:14 It just doesn't. And likewise, you know, when it comes to art, we have so much, what's all AI. But actually, what comics or blogger did, his second in a row, by the way, for episode 1834, which he titled Swarm Forge. This could have been done with Photoshop.

Starting point is 01:53:35 And it's Fat J.D. Kind of like a pulp fiction pose with a revolver saying, Gimmy Greenland. And I think it was because of its simplicity and that it could have just been, I mean, yeah, fat J.D. I mean, you can make a fat J.D.

Starting point is 01:53:53 with Photoshop, you know, just expand. You can also cut and paste the million fat JDs that are out there. That's what you did. Yeah. Well, I mean, this was clearly AI generated. I'm sure it could have been Photoshop? It's a comics blogger. Like you said.

Starting point is 01:54:10 It's comic strip blogger. It's AI. Yeah. What you're accusing him of right there is that he's only AI now. He is. He calls himself the AI Arch Wizard. Yeah, he didn't know that. I did not know that.

Starting point is 01:54:25 Okay. So that's why I know it's AI. Does he do arches? Does he do a lot of landscape stuff that has a lot of arches? Is that why he call himself that? No. No. I believe he just thinks he is really good at AI.

Starting point is 01:54:39 And so that was the only one that was any good. He thinks. He thinks he's good. He is, he, he makes his money with it. That wasn't me that said that. He makes his money with it, so. Does he? Yes, I believe he is an AI engineer.

Starting point is 01:54:56 Oh, okay, good for him. Yeah. And so we don't even need to discuss anything because the rest was just AI slop that we didn't choose. So that means we can go straight. Oh, no agenda art generator.com for all your AI slop, but we do give preferential treatment to things that don't look like AI slop. Which brings us to our producers who support us with a third T, treasure, time, talent, and treasure.

Starting point is 01:55:23 Sending us value, clearly some people think we're very, very valuable. I mean, it's amazing when I see this list sometimes. Like, wow, I just love that people do this. And we thank everybody, $50 and above, not under 50 for reasons of anonymity. There's still people who just want to give money or you're on a layaway program.

Starting point is 01:55:43 We encourage and appreciate that. Knowagenda donations.com. You can do it any way you want, anytime you want, for any reason. and we love numerology. And Zarin Denzel, Zerindensel, he's new, I think.

Starting point is 01:55:57 He comes in with $1,111,11. from Port Townsend, Washington. Oh, he says, haven't donated in a while to let you guys know how much I appreciate the best podcast in the universe. Please give me a double deduishing.

Starting point is 01:56:14 You've been deduced. Do we do double deduishings? Seems like, should we do? There's no reason for it. I'll do it. You've been deduced. And, of course, he becomes an executive producer of episode 1835. And in this segment, we thank everybody who donates $300 and above you become an executive producer.

Starting point is 01:56:35 It's a real credit. You can use it on IMDB.com. Apparently, some people are automatically entered on IMDB.com when you become an executive producer. There's somebody out there that is dogging it, yeah, and doing it for us or them. I don't know if that's a bad thing necessarily. I don't think it's a bad thing. It keeps people from having to do it themselves. As long as they keep updating it for everybody.

Starting point is 01:56:56 Dana Brunetti mentioned in his last note that he did not donate on his behalf. It was a Scott Adams donation. We have to change it in the credits. Oh, okay. Because he said that he would never deign to become an associate. Just for backgrounders out there, Dana Brunetti is a real. Yeah, the house of car.

Starting point is 01:57:20 famous Hollywood producer. 50 shades of gray. Yeah. Movies, television. A lot of movies other than that. He's done all kinds of stuff. He made all his money from shades of gray, but he did a lot of quality work. More highbrow stuff, yes.

Starting point is 01:57:35 So his thesis is the following, just for people out there. Executive producers are real title in Hollywood. It means you had something to do with the movie in one way, shape, or form. Usually at least finance maybe is part of it. Yeah. which is what we use it for. Yes. Associate executive producer, as far as he is concerned at the Hollywood level, it's the guy who gets coffee.

Starting point is 01:58:00 It's a secretary. It's somebody you hire and he said, what title would you like? And you give him a phony baloney title. This is like executive vice president at a bank. So everybody's an EVP at the bank. You know, you're a teller one minute and they won't give you a raise. So you become EVP. I will say at MTV when I first got there,

Starting point is 01:58:22 because we didn't have those terms when I was doing television in Holland. And the AP is what they were called, the associate producer, was literally the person who got my coffee. But they were also the people I love the most because they were always taking good care of me. So they're the lovable group. So you should take that into account,

Starting point is 01:58:44 even though he, I'm sure, The AP makes you... This coffee is not hot enough. What do you know better than this? No. Well, that would be you. But in my APs, they always had the lunch ready for me. They knew exactly what I needed.

Starting point is 01:59:00 They make sure, oh, hold on a second. I think we should stop. He's a little bit. His forehead's a little shiny. That is what an A, that's an AP who you love. And when you love them, they love you back. So they are very important to me in my television career experience. Onward with Steve.

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Starting point is 02:00:49 Executive producer credit for you. I see no note. Therefore, you get a double up karma. You've got. Double up. Karma. Samuel Barrett in. in Vernon Rockwell, Connecticut? Vernon Rockwell.

Starting point is 02:01:04 That's horse country. Horse country. 33333. He's becoming a night. And he sent a note. This came in as a check and he said a note. In the morning, John C. An Atum.

Starting point is 02:01:23 I apologize for assuming John was Tom Sawyer and Adam. I listened to the show where you guys switched up to 50. and above, but was still convinced John had a crafty trick up his sleeve because that's the way he is. Being an elder millennial, young Gen Xer, born 29th, September,

Starting point is 02:01:42 1980 for anyone interest in giving him a gift. And he says for the birthday list, no, we don't have a birthday list. Hello. You got to email us. Notes at noagendashow.net. At the time. Yes. Yes, the day before the show. We're not

Starting point is 02:01:57 to bookkeep for anybody. No. I'm well aware of what a book looks like and even have visited Mark Twain's house in Hartford, Connecticut multiple times. However, I can see how you two would think the world has forgotten the classics with all the TikTok insanity you've subjected yourselves to. Yes, I do think so. I think the vast majority is not read those books. Prove me wrong. And I would agree with Adam, whether or not there is even TikTok in existence, nobody reads anything.

Starting point is 02:02:27 They get a Chrome book. They don't even get books anymore. Yeah, I know. And they can't read. After my last great big boobs donation, this will put me over the top for a knighthood. I like to be knighted as Sir Sammy B of the Eastern Skies and have Mexican Coke.

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Starting point is 02:02:58 Yes. Okay, well, that's the way he spells it. I request some shape-shifting Jews and karma for all. Please keep doing it, bang up a job for their foreseeable future. Samuel Barrett. You've got karma. All right, Samuel. We go to Ellie Pollock, St. Augustine, Florida,

Starting point is 02:03:43 first associate executive producer title for the show with a row of ducks 222.22. Hello, John and Adam. Longtime listener, first-time donor. A dedushing is certainly in order. You've been deduished. I've been listening since your first J-R-E appearance, as you used to say, but not often enough anymore. Rogan donation. Actually, I should have brought it out of the closet.

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Starting point is 02:04:48 which I purchased and put in my emergency kit. Yes, this was my tip of the day. Well, a few weeks ago, my four-year-old daughter took the initiative to rekindle our burn pile, which resulted in a hot coal in the top of her shoe where it stuck. Ow! She ended up with a pretty nasty secondary degree burn. We used the cream for two weeks. Wow.

Starting point is 02:05:09 Typically, you put it on, well, it sounds like she was really badly burned. until the blister opened and we could not anymore and had great results. Oh, she'll be left with a small scar, a good reminder not to try such shenanigans again. The doctor was very impressed with how nicely it's healed. Thank you for the recommendation. Saving children's toes for 18 years, ladies and gentlemen. And finally, thank you for your years of decoding the news and the culture. We thoroughly enjoy listening to No Agenda and can't recommend it enough.

Starting point is 02:05:38 Keep at it. Four more years, says Ellie Pollock. Oh, sweet. Yes, very nice. Sir Tim in Overland Park, Kansas, 222. Dot 2.2. From Sir Tim, I had completely missed that Adam was doing a podcast with Pastor Jimmy. It's called the, I would do a podcast together, until JCD started bitching about Adam,

Starting point is 02:06:10 reusing content, bitching about him, reusing content. bitching about him reusing content. Yes, he did that again today, by the way. What did I do? What did I do? You said on the pastor Jimmy show. We get to do this. Yes, we get to do this.

Starting point is 02:06:24 It's called we get to do this. It's called, yeah, this. We get to do this. God the world. Yeah, we're doing it now. Who's on first? What did I reuse? That Trump is going to go before Davos

Starting point is 02:06:38 and give his terms of surrender. Oh, well, I didn't come up with that, actually. That's, uh, I stole that from Tom Luongo from, uh, gold ghost and ghost. You stole material and plated on a religious podcast? Religious. It's just two guys. It's not a religious podcast. Uh, for FYI, JCD needs to lay off on the tirades.

Starting point is 02:07:03 Does that include the one I did today about, uh, the Logan Act? No, only tirades against me. Mimi says the same thing. He comes off like a complete dick when he goes off, which is exactly what Mimi said. Just don't pick on anime in this podcast and let's do this podcast podcast,

Starting point is 02:07:27 whatever it's called. We do this together. We get to do this. We get to do this. You can say it wrong as often as you like. It's fine. We've never had so many listeners. It's highly appreciated.

Starting point is 02:07:40 Yeah, you're going to be swamped with listeners. You know, some people feel that you're jealous of me and Jimmy, and I don't want you to feel that way. I don't want you to feel that. Well, no, but I will tell you what irked me. Okay. When you threw the substack column as my doing repurposing, which is true because they repurpose a lot of stuff in that column

Starting point is 02:08:04 that we talk about on the show, but it's always after we've discussed it on the show. show so I can fine tune it. It's always after. I don't do a substack column before a topic arrives on the show. Oh, well, you have my permission. It doesn't bother me. And furthermore, unlike the, we do this podcast together. We get to do this. I plug the no agenda show at the end of, people can check this out. At the end of every single substack column, there is a promotion for the no agenda show. Well, I would say that of the 18th. 18 episodes of we get to do this

Starting point is 02:08:44 that I have discussed no agenda in at least 17 of them. You can't fault me for not promoting the show or talking about or even about you. In fact, I think that what really irked you, and I understand it, and I apologize, is that I said, this is the highlight of my week. And I think that might have irked you. But I could be wrong. that is exactly right okay so even though you said earlier on this show i said that you love doing this show and you would do it for free i would i would but yeah well i wouldn't but if you keep doing that

Starting point is 02:09:27 then i won't do it at all so it was really easy and then i'll take my marbles and i'm going home if i have if i have to if i have to but i'm taking those marbles i'm going home but i also well as soon as i get if once I get the name of that podcast down, I'll stop doing it. But I can't remember that we get to do this. Literally people at church came up to me this morning. Are you okay? And I said, no, I wasn't. I was upset.

Starting point is 02:09:54 They said, well, we don't mind. We don't mind the repurpose content. We kind of like hearing it more than once. Is it okay? Yeah. So I think we're good. Well, I'm okay. I'll say one last thing.

Starting point is 02:10:07 Yes. No, I got nothing else. I also recognize that I needed to change my attitude. I am not the same person that you were talking to three years ago, and I recognize that I also have to adjust my own attitude towards you, certainly. So I feel much better after having discussed the matter with my friends. And I'll tell you this. If people follow the dynamic of this show,

Starting point is 02:10:36 they would know that if we actually lived in the moment, the same town or did it in a studio together, this show would have been over a decade ago. Oh, easily. Maybe even after a hundred episodes, which is kind of where I was ready to quit at the time. You were ready to quit after 10. And so, uh, yes. And the other little bit, basically, them done. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:11:05 With the topic. Okay. Is the problem I had with the repurposed material, even though people like to hear it twice, somehow for some reason, is that it lessens the, because I hear that we've had this podcast together for a one. We get to do this.

Starting point is 02:11:22 We get to do this. Yes. Is that you do the bit and you've rehearsed it. And then you come in the, the spontaneity is missing from this show. But see, this is where, and okay, So two things. First of all, I'm always, I was actually in both cases that you called me out on it.

Starting point is 02:11:43 I was actually excited to get your input, your take on it. That's why I brought it up, not to have it rehearsed and do it again. But I'm interested in what you have to say. Well, if you had presented it that way, I didn't get far enough. But that is truly, that is, that is really the truth. If something comes up. Okay, well, I accept that as the truth. Yes.

Starting point is 02:12:08 And I will refuse. I should either stop listening to the other show, which is hard to do. Because it's, I know, it's a great show. I know. It's short. Once a week. It's only what's short. That's the redeeming quality.

Starting point is 02:12:24 Yes. It's like Horowitz and I. We only do an hour. Yeah. And the other thing I will say is that there was never, but of course you didn't listen to every four-hour MoFax with Adam Curry show. You know, it was hard because there's a word in there. There's a word in there you said, and that explains it.

Starting point is 02:12:45 Four. Yes. Now, I know, but I repurpose content from Mo Show all the time. I'm sure, you know. I would literally say it. I would say, here's a clip that I played on MoFax. And I played it for you because I was interested in your take. Well, that's interesting.

Starting point is 02:13:03 You say that. And I probably would have been annoyed with the MoFax show if I had the time to listen to four hours of that show. Because it was long. It was long. It was long. It was longer than our show. Uh-huh. But just so you know, I don't bring things up.

Starting point is 02:13:22 Well, I feel I apologize for being a dick, according to our friend here. I forgave you. So that's, well, I don't agree. But it's the audience that I'm concerned about. about. Not you. cares. We continue with a short row of ducks 222 from Claudio Charii from Liberty Lake Washington. And I looked, donation was sent to Adam atcurry.com.

Starting point is 02:13:49 Okay, this is a mistake. You need to send it to notes at noagendashow.net. I believe that is made clear on our donation page. And I searched on your email. then I looked in my spam boxes. I have not received this with the subject line donation. And if I saw something come through with the subject line donation, I would have caught it.

Starting point is 02:14:12 In fact, I do a regular search because I get a lot of email. And I didn't get it. So send the note. We'll be happy to read it later. And thank you for your support, Claudio. There we have Shauna, Shauna Norberg in Bellingham, Washington, 21794. no note whatsoever, and we'll give her a double-up karma.

Starting point is 02:14:34 Yes, we will. You've got... Dr. Double-up. Karma. Sir Brian Tobiasen from Gardner, Kansas, 208.88, and he wants respect, F-35, guy, and traditional jobs, karma? You guys are great, and I'd like to throw my two cents on the whole TikTok and recycled content bickering over the last few shows.

Starting point is 02:15:00 John, I'm a fan of Adam, but the only other podcast that listened to with him is Rogan when he's a guest. So I've not heard anything discussed with Jimmy, and I think to assume we are all listening to everything he does is a mistake. Adam, you, and this is good. Adam, you may not enjoy the TikTok lunatics that John brings, but I don't ever go on TikTok or even search them out on X. So this is my only exposure to the nut jobs, and I love it. Fair point. therefore you can both work on your assumptions about the audience and regardless you can rest assured no agenda will be the only podcast i never miss sir tobias thank you for your courage sir tobiasan vicarant of the chief's kingdom well he put us both in our place and i appreciate that

Starting point is 02:15:43 r e s p i c t i said what in the world of this jobs jobs jobs jobs and jobs let's vote for jobs you've got parma Well, he's back. Eli, the coffee guy, and I do have a clip I want to play, a bonus clip. Bonus clip. But I'm going to read this note first. Then we'll play the bonus clip. Okay. Bensonville, Illinois is where he is. He's came in with 201.15. Looks like the final domino in the West Clark 7 may finally be falling. Funny how a 20-year-old clip aged. Well, the thing is, they were supposed to do that in what? Within five years.

Starting point is 02:16:32 It was supposed to happen in 2005. Yes. Yeah. Within five years, we're going to do this. They didn't do great. Yeah, it's jack. Should we play the short version for a second? Just so people know.

Starting point is 02:16:41 Yeah, sure. Why not? West Clark, seven. Let me make sure it's the small one, the short one. Yes. So I came back to see him a few weeks later. And by that time we were bombing in Afghanistan. I said, are we still going to war with Iraq?

Starting point is 02:16:58 And he said, oh, it's worse than that. He said, he reached over on his desk, he picked up a piece of paper. He said, I just got this down from upstairs, me and the Secretary of Defense Office today. And he said, this is a memo that describes how we're going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and finishing off Iran. Yes, unfortunately, President Trump thwarted that plan. Yes, so we're still counting. Yes.

Starting point is 02:17:28 Anyway, he says funny how a 20-old clip aged better than the coverage we get in real time. I don't think that's true. Thanks to no agenda for the reminder that none of this is random. The only thing that's changed in the past two decades is that the news graphics have gotten better. I'm not even sure that's true. I think the coffee's gotten better. Yeah. I mean, I just have to write his own copy for him.

Starting point is 02:17:55 Yes, it has. Just in case it pops off. be prepared, stock up on coffee now. You never know what ripple effects it can have on the supply chain. Visit gigawatt coffee roasters.com and use code ITM20 for 20% off your order. Stay caffeinated Eli, the coffee guy. And so I put this clip aside waiting for Eli to come back on board here with his donations. He had a PayPal issue, I believe.

Starting point is 02:18:21 Well, whatever it is, he's got these getting the clip. And here it is this, Dr. Rhonda Patrick. Drinking coffee appears to actively slow this biological aging process. Researchers found that each additional cup of coffee corresponded to about 0.1-2 years younger biological age. Even more strikingly, people who consumed three or more cups per day had a 34 to 41% lower chance of accelerated biological aging compared to non-drinkers. In a separate multi-ethnic study using advanced epigenetic clocks, further supported this. So regular coffee intake correlated with roughly 0.7 to a full year reduction in epigenetic age for each daily cup consumed. I'm going to live forever.

Starting point is 02:19:09 This is good news. Wow. Who knew? They always say you drink too much coffee. The coffee councils get long tentacles. Well, you know who also drinks a lot of coffee or the Dutch. And they look great. and they look very good.

Starting point is 02:19:27 All right, that's a good clip. Onward with $200, and we thank you. Andrew Seymour from Columbus, Ohio. He says, hi, Adam and John. I've been a long time listener. I'm finally reaching out to donate. This is my first installment toward becoming a knight of the No Agenda Roundtable.

Starting point is 02:19:41 I will include more notes with my future installments. Thank you both for keeping us on track. Please choose jingles of your choice. 73s, it's a ham. Andrew Seymour, W-8-F-L-G. You know, I got a whole bunch of messages. People like, hey, Fredericksburg Ham's made the news. I'm like, oh, what happened?

Starting point is 02:20:01 So we have a repeater here in Fredericksburg, two meter repeater, two meter repeater. And the big news was that they've, it now runs completely on solar power. They're like, oh, that's reasonably cool. That's actually a smart idea. But then the, you look at the picture of the guys who are running the repeater, not a single young person will ever enter the amateur radio hobby when you see this picture. These guys, one's got a, you know, got a walker. I mean, I love my hams, but come on, people.

Starting point is 02:20:31 We need some young people to represent this hobby. There's got to be something to do that. You're right. It was. This is a longstanding problem. Yeah. And there's really no reason for it because if you look on YouTube, there's lots of young people messing around with two meter gear and stuff like that.

Starting point is 02:20:48 Anyway, he asked me for. for a random jingle. I have a new jingle, which is an ode to you, then will be used in future segments. Tick talking in my car. Tick talking in my car. Huh.

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Starting point is 02:21:21 needs. That's image makers, Inc. With a K. And work with Linda Lou, the Duchess of Jobs, and writer of winning resumes. Jobs. Jobs. Jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs. Yspa. Karma. And we wind it up with a $200 donation from Sir Writer of Words. He comes from Redlands, California. And he says, let me see. Am I missing a piece of? his note here? No, he just says, I also, it starts off. I also ran into the statute of limitations. Is that all, that's how his note starts? I'm missing something here.

Starting point is 02:22:00 That is what I got. I also ran into the statute of limitations issue after, oh, I also ran into the statute of limitations issue after being fired for not allowing the vaccine into my life in 2021. It was a blessing. I'm a med school professor and researcher now, but I wouldn't say no to a nice settlement if any N.A. lawyers have a creative solution. Know what I mean Rob Cardi. Thanks to all of the No agenda listeners who bought my book, God's Eye View, on Amazon and Audible. Yes, God's A have you talked about it. He's a PhD and it's a very good book. Big thanks for all of the five-star reviews. You can also check out my podcast, God's Eye View, where we talk about faith and science. Speaking of which, Adam, could you tell us a bit about

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Starting point is 02:23:38 Order. Shut up. So I just want to play a kind of a throwaway clip, but people keep sending me stuff like this. And I urge you when you see or hear one of these reports, go to the, you know, just Google. Google the vehicle in question and look at something called performance. Sometimes it'll always be listed. Endurance is another good one.

Starting point is 02:24:14 This is from Rick the Cyber Guy who's reporting to us from CES. Are you ready for rush hour in the skies? I'm good, the Cyber Guy. Follow me at Cyberguy.com and find out why so many people get my newsletter for free. Now, this is pretty cool. Flying cars are coming faster than you think. Check this out. It's called the Blackbird Demonstrator by Cyclotech. It's got cyclo rotors, imagine propellers that can push you in any direction. That's right, a full 360 degree control in the air.

Starting point is 02:24:43 And guess what? This thing can take off vertically, break midair, and even parallel park in the sky. Yeah, parallel parking in midair. I still struggle with that right here on the ground. Plus, it's super safe and stable. Even if an engine goes out, it just keeps flying. First flight happening this, quarter like it or not sky traffic is on the way what do you think are you excited or a little nervous about this stuff let me know in the comments below no i'm not excited for a thing that can fly 49 miles per hour you can't be over 200 pounds and it only flies 49 miles per hour for 20 minutes before you have to recharge this is a useless toy until batteries improve which i really and please don't email because there's no proof.

Starting point is 02:25:31 They're like, no, you know, it's improving the Chinese. They got, blah, blah, okay, no. They're not improving. They're not. It's just not improving. Well, there's some improvement,

Starting point is 02:25:41 but there's not improvement in performance. It's just improvement in long-term stability. That's the latest. It's the power to weight ratio that just does not work for flight. So, just saying, everybody's all like, oh, look at it.

Starting point is 02:25:59 It's like a drone. I can sit it myself. Can you imagine a scenario? I always like to do this as a scenario, a timeline scenario where the gasoline engine wasn't invented and everything was battery powered. And then suddenly somebody invents the gasoline engine, which goes farther and it has more energy per weight, everything about it. It would wipe out the electric business, which it did already once, by the way, because there were electric cars early on. it would just be over. Yeah, but no.

Starting point is 02:26:34 It's all of the climate change stuff and the subsidies that made that rock. Subsidies. What did I say? You said subsidies. Oh, subsidies, yes. And it is subsidies. That's what makes everything work. Now the subsidies are gone.

Starting point is 02:26:49 And it's the end of it. Yes. So we were mentioning Iran earlier. And I'm very, very pleased that our president, for whatever reason. Like, they were going to hang 800 people from cranes. You told me it was just one. I mean, the president had...

Starting point is 02:27:06 Well, I know there was one guy in particular. They were making a big fuss about it. I didn't know they're going to hang 800. I don't know there was that many cranes in Tehran. It's asynchronous information, baby. We are just not in the know. So that was his reason. Like, oh, they stop, so I'm not going to do anything.

Starting point is 02:27:21 But that doesn't mean that that isn't exactly what the true neocons want to do. They always want to... Bomb them, bomb them and bomb them again. And I loved seeing John the Stash Bolton come on Miznau with the Cabrera lady. And I pulled two clips for our enjoyment. You were his former national security advisor. What do you make of the president's approach toward this situation in Iran? Well, I think it's evolving in a typically incoherent fashion.

Starting point is 02:27:55 You know, the chronology doesn't support Trump's view here. He was saying a few days ago that Iranian patriots should keep protesting, take over your institutions, he said. In fact, the main killing was over the weekend and the protests had largely subsided because the people were scared to death to leave their homes for what they might face from the besieging militia and other agents of the Iranian government. We don't really know what the situation is. There are 31 provinces in Iran. communication is not good. And in any event, who cares what the regime in Tehran says? They lie quite regularly.

Starting point is 02:28:36 And it's just a mistake to say, well, they've said they're not killing anymore, so I guess things are all right. I don't know what the president's going to do. I think we're missing a real opportunity here to help the opposition overthrow this regime. That may not be Trump's objective, but it should be. Oh, what an opportunity we missed here to bomb, bomb, bomb them to help the social called opposition, which appears to be the crown prince. By the way, there's no evidence he's a crown prince. He's just the grandson of. He's not recognized. That's a very good point. Oh, it was annoying.

Starting point is 02:29:12 There's never been any. When was he crowned? Yeah, there's no coronation on record. And it's so funny because there was a, at Mara Lago, there was a big Jerusalem prayer breakfast. And, um, Pastor Steve Berger was speaking. And he was like, I was going to have the crown prince here to, you know, to talk about the opposition in Iran. And he had important business in D.C. So he sent us this video.

Starting point is 02:29:40 They sent like a 45 second video. But what really happened is Trump said, no, I've got no time for him. He seems like a nice guy, but I'm not going to meet with him. Because he's obviously an op of some, probably the British who are doing this. You know,

Starting point is 02:29:57 if there is any kind of op that's happening, it's not us. I got to, I only play the second Bolton clip, then I'll play what I were talking about. How would the U.S. help the opposition overthrow the regime? Well, I think we have missed years of opportunity to help the opposition inside Iran, helping them with communication, which they could desperately use at this point and other resources. What? We did help with communication.

Starting point is 02:30:22 Who slipped into 40,000 receivers for the Starlink? But that's not. If we didn't, we didn't have anything. He doesn't want that. He wants the bomb. He wants the bomb. Listen. I know, but he's just saying what he's saying is a lie.

Starting point is 02:30:34 Yeah. Well, he's a douche with the mustache. American boots on the ground. It's a tangible support that would help the opposition get better organized. Right now, I think that striking against the key elements of repression in Iran, the Revolutionary Guards, the besieging militia, as I mentioned, headquarters facilities, military bases, paramilitary bases, the Iran nuclear program, the missile ballistic missile production program that would show to the regime and potential defectors

Starting point is 02:31:11 within the regime that its days are numbered. And it would give the opposition, the moral support I think they need in the face of this regime brutality to continue to protest because we're not going to overthrow the regime. for the Iranian people, they're going to have to be a significant part of it. I think the regime is in the weakest position. It's been in since 1979. And if this latest effort by the people to get control of the government fails, we may have to wait quite some time before the next opportunity emerges. Oh, we're missing the opportunity to bomb them.

Starting point is 02:31:46 So I do expect the anti-war podcast crowd to talk about Bolton instead of the person you actually hate, which is the president, who just restrained himself. He's like, no, I'm not falling for this gambit. And I think it is a gambit. I'm not sure. No one really knows like 20,000 people have been slaughtered. Maybe I don't know. Lots of people have been killed for sure.

Starting point is 02:32:12 But this to me, if not boots on the ground, it certainly smells of some kind of MI6 media operation. Like, yeah, let's get Trump over there. Let's drag him into a way. It's a good idea. We'll distract him from Greenland. and everything else that we don't want him to do. And so out comes the Iranian minister,

Starting point is 02:32:31 I don't know what minister of what, I got this from Trump. Yeah, I saw this guy. I just pulled a little bit of a clip. Just replace everything with MI6. The goal was to increase the number of casualties in the protests. Why? Because Mr. Trump, the president of the United States, said that if people are killed, they will come and intervene.

Starting point is 02:32:52 This is clear evidence of interference in the intent, a phase of other countries. We have audio recordings of messages sent from outside the country to these terrorist elements, telling them. Open fire while you are among the protesters. If you can shoot the police, do so.

Starting point is 02:33:10 If you cannot, then shoot ordinary people. And if that is not possible, then shoot the girl or the young man directly in front of you. We possess extensive evidence and documents indicating the involvement of both the United States and Israel in this

Starting point is 02:33:25 terrorist act, Israeli media outlets are full of reports claiming they are busy planning operations inside Iran. Mr. Pompeo, an influential figure who served as director of the CIA during Trump's previous time, posted a tweet saying, I congratulate the Iranians in the streets and most sad agents walking alongside them, which constitutes a clear admission. We, the Iranian government, demand justice for everyone who was killed in the documents we obtained. The detained rioters confessed that large sums of money were paid to them and that they were recruited through financial incentives. 80 million Tormons were paid to attack each police station

Starting point is 02:34:06 and to attack Obein vehicles and government vehicles. 50 million Tormons to set places on fire. 20 million Tumons for other acts. There are documents and confessions for each case. The money that was paid is also being seized and documented. We have the proof. Pompeo. You think Pompeo still has ties to the CIA?

Starting point is 02:34:30 I don't think so. I don't either. I mean, if anything, and the Israelis don't want to do this. I love you. It is clearly Israelis did it. For to what end? It certainly failed them.

Starting point is 02:34:43 Where's your boy Trump coming in there bombing for you? That's not a good op. So, no, dumb. What I was surprised to hear, and this is through the nature of transparency on blockchains is that the Iranians, we knew that the IRCG they were using Bitcoin to buy stuff and transact, going back to 2018, this has been known, but I came across this. Then it seems like some $8 billion is held in Bitcoin,

Starting point is 02:35:15 but transactions being done in, uh-oh, stablecoin. If we look at conflict countries, particularly we'll take the top two right now, It happened to be Iran and Venezuela. What we're seeing is a huge uptick in stable coin usage because their currencies are hyperinflating. Venezuela has been for a while. And Iran, they have 42.4% inflation, food inflation is over 60%. That's just happened in the last few months that it's just exploded for it. So we are seeing people try to get currency that is a little beyond the purview of the regimes that are in power.

Starting point is 02:35:53 that are eroding their particular buying power of their currency. So they'd rather hold something like a stable coin, particularly a U.S. dollar that's going to hold its value a lot more. And we did get a nice boots on the ground anonymous one of our producers who says, yeah, this is really rolling out. He's at a big operation that is rolling them out. And certainly in the United States will replace Zell. You saw that note, didn't you? No. Yeah, you did.

Starting point is 02:36:29 You replied to him. Oh, what did it say? I work for a company that writes banking software, don't mention it. Oh, yeah, that guy. Yeah, yeah, it's a good note. I'll read it. I'm unsure how public disinformation is. Okay, got it.

Starting point is 02:36:41 We are one of the largest core providers in the nation. So he removed the name appropriately. Our products are often considered top tier banking software. This year, rolling out stable coin features to allow for customers and banks to trade in stable coins directly with and through their bank. We are also getting things ready for the big stable coin rollout in the U.S. At a meeting last week, it was announced that this was coming, thus this next financial year, and we're currently slated to be the first provider of such a service, their existing integration

Starting point is 02:37:10 with Coinbase and others, but this will be directly through the bank and specifically stable coin. We also were told that we project in the next two years, this is going to be how our customers, his customers, our banks, move money, and it's going to mean we pull back on some of our support for other services. It wasn't said, but the implication was Zell, which is a huge pain in the ass, which is true.

Starting point is 02:37:33 Zell is a huge pain in the ass. Yes, our bank, the one that we use. Doesn't use it. Won't even deal with it. Our bank here, Guadalupe Bank in Fredericksburg, which is a hill country bank. They won't use it either. Like, no, sorry, Mr. Curry, not doing that.

Starting point is 02:37:47 So it's kind of. But it's all for other reasons. We'll have to watch Scott the Shusher Besant very closely in this regard. But I don't think there's much else to say about Iran. I do have a couple of things to say about Venezuela. Yeah, let's do that. What is this all about Venezuela meeting with who? Let's find out.

Starting point is 02:38:11 Today, the first image of what U.S. officials build as a historic meeting. CIA director John Ratcliffe greeting interim Venezuelan president, Del C. that handshake and Ratcliffe's trip to Caracas would have been unthinkable just weeks ago. Especially to visit U.S. sanctioned nationalist politician Rodriguez, handpicked successor to capture Venezuelan president Nicolas Maduro. But a U.S. official says the meeting was a sign of an improved U.S. Venezuela relationship. And that Venezuela must block drug trafficking and provide the U.S. economic opportunities. nothing to do with a tension or decision between

Starting point is 02:38:56 Delzi Rodriguez and myself. But in Washington today, opposition leader Maria Karina Machado urged the U.S. to proceed with caution. Delsi Rodriguez, yes, she's a communist. She's the main ally and representation of the Russian regime,

Starting point is 02:39:13 the Chinese and the Iranians. But that's not the Venezuelan people and that's not the armed forces. Last night, Machado gifted president her Nobel Peace Prize. Only 150 have ever been awarded, and one will now hang in the White House, dedicated to President Trump's, quote, principled and decisive action to secure a free Venezuela. And she gave me her Nobel Prize, but I'll tell you what, I got to know her. I never met her before.

Starting point is 02:39:41 And I was very, very impressed. She's a really, this is a fine woman. I have the rest of that statement after your second. and clip because it's funny. So Radcliffe goes to Venezuela. Of course. The CIA guy. And it's like, what?

Starting point is 02:40:00 There's something up. Well, and this was... Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. Care.

Starting point is 02:40:08 Go ahead. Care, please. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. I was going... You know, it's, first of all, well, Machado, it's obvious. You know, anyone who receives a Peace Prize,

Starting point is 02:40:20 Got a big red flag on your head. No. You're a part of some shill system. I'm sorry? No. No. If Obama got one, who else got one? No.

Starting point is 02:40:32 Actually, well, let me play this 25 second clip from Trump in between your clips. You have to be Kelsey Rodriguez and the remnants of the Maduro regime and not with Machado who has the support of the Venezuela. Well, if you ever remember a place called Iraq where everybody was fired. You might have to drop it. Oh, it's a year clip? Okay. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:40:52 Okay. So, and it's a little clearer. Clear. Okay, good, good. Yes. And anyway, the whole thing is believe that Deli, Delry, whatever the hell her name is, she was part of the scheme to get Maduro out of there. In the first place, she may be a CIA asset for all we know.

Starting point is 02:41:12 But think about it. He's over there saying, look, look, if she's an asset or not, we have our guys everywhere. So do things our way. Apparently they deposited $500 million from that shipment of oil into Qatari banks, which I think is interesting, but probably smart because there'd be some stupid judge somewhere and some blue state district who's going to, well, you've got to block that Trump can't do. So they put it in Qatari banks.

Starting point is 02:41:41 Qatar is already sending $300 million to Venezuela. And they can do whatever they want, you know, fill up the grocery stores or maybe consider a different system. It's just a thought. And Radcliffe's there saying, just do what we say, or we kill you all. Maybe. Maybe. Okay. So let's go apart to you. That's the CIA I'm thinking about. Machado praised the president, but did not pull her punches, especially in Spanish, in her criticism of a politician whom she believes cannot deliver long-term stability. There are some things that Delci Rodriguez may be able to deliver, forced by power, because she is terrified of President Trump.

Starting point is 02:42:21 But there are things that Delsey Rodriguez or any of the members of the criminal structure will never be able to provide. Trust, rule of law, reconciliation, citizen participation and support. Never. Never. Therefore, it is not sustainable, and she knows it.

Starting point is 02:42:37 But if that's what she argued to the president, he was not persuaded. Why a lie with Deli Rodriguez and the representative of a duro? Well, have you ever, remember a place called Iraq where everybody was fired, every single person, the police, the generals, everybody was fired, and they ended up being ISIS. Instead of just getting down to business, they ended up being ISIS. Last month, I spoke to Gray Bull Rescues Brian Stern, who organized Machado's

Starting point is 02:43:08 daring escape from Venezuela. She has rock star level status in the country. She got on a boat, and that boat was not what most people think. It was a very small boat. The seas were between five and ten feet. And now, for the first time, Machado admitted she thought she would not survive the journey. So it was a very risky, dangerous and scary moment, I have to say. And it lasted several hours. But at the end, as I say, you know, we have worked, moved ahead.

Starting point is 02:43:44 of the thanks to the hand of God and it is a miracle and I'm here and so Machado continues her campaign to deliver democracy back to Venezuela

Starting point is 02:43:55 and convince President Trump of its potential how about this for a thought Maduro knew this was coming he knew the the Brits and whoever else the drug network

Starting point is 02:44:09 city of London they were going to do regime change with this woman. And so the first thing he did is rig the election. And then he's like, then he calls Trump and says, dude, get me out. I'm convinced that's, we've said this before. Because when he did that video of come and get me, come and get me, what are you waiting

Starting point is 02:44:30 for? You're a coward. That was because they were overdue to get him out of there. Yeah. Yeah. And then they, then whatever this stage, there was probably stage. for the MI6 guys. Like, oh, yeah, we'll get her out.

Starting point is 02:44:46 We'll do it. Yeah, we got, we got you. We're all about it. And that would explain why our CIA guy is in Caracas, because that sends the message, hey, look who's in Caracas. Who's in control? So the CIA guy makes it clear,

Starting point is 02:45:05 and you can't make it any more clear than having the CIA head of the CIA instead of some diplomat. Publicly. It should be Rubio. Yeah. Technically, that may all things have a message to MI6. I think this MI6 thesis that we've been developing on this show is absolutely on the money.

Starting point is 02:45:27 Those guys are not helping us. No, no, no, no. And they may not have been helping us for a long time. And so, well, go ahead. This is what I love so much about watching Victoria and the Crown, then, you know, So now we're in, well, we're in the Suez Canal crisis. Even before that, where Churchill, you know, he has a stroke so he can't go over to meet, I guess it was FDR at the time.

Starting point is 02:45:57 And the way they talk about the American president and American generals, like we're a bunch of dumb shits. They're no good. We're stupid. We're done what we're doing. We're not sophisticated. They've never gotten over it. They've never gotten over it.

Starting point is 02:46:12 We were the colony that. got away, and we grew up to be a big bad boy, and they still hate it. Not the British people, but the elites, the rulers, the royal families, come on. I've, I, I, I, I, this is absolutely correct the way I see it. And I, and it's very apparent if you read the history books that, I collect books. So I have old history books pre-World War I and history books post-World War I. and the attitude about the British is completely 180. The pre-World War I history books that were taught to the kids in this United States

Starting point is 02:46:51 were incredibly critical of the British Empire. Yeah. Our special relationship. Then they're our best buddy. Yeah. When did we start with that special relationship nonsense? When did that start? I don't know.

Starting point is 02:47:08 We should do an Ngram on Google. I'll look it up to see him put in the newsletter. Yeah, because it's, we were captured. I mean, Barack Obama, President Obama, he was a British intelligent asset. No doubt. He's been to 10 Downing Street more than the prime minister in the past couple of years. Go in and get some instructions for what I got to do, what I got to say. The whole Muslim Brotherhood.

Starting point is 02:47:36 Remember him? The Muslim Brotherhood? the Muslim Brotherhood that was used against Nasser in Egypt during the Suez Canal crisis? By the way, if you want to understand Israel, look at the Suez Canal, it may be able to understand why Israel is important, huh? Sorry, I had to mock. I shouldn't be doing that. I don't mean to do that.

Starting point is 02:48:01 But okay. We have time for any more stuff, or we're done? If you want to do one more clip, we could. I can do, I only have four more clips. I can do four more. No, no, no, four is too much. Okay, you're not going to go with that. I can see what you're angling for.

Starting point is 02:48:16 No, it's just too much. We can also do the roundup lawsuit, just falling apart. We don't want to do that. The screwing the Hilton hotels. Oh, I like that. Oh, well, I know that story. Let's do something. But what else you got?

Starting point is 02:48:29 Student loan fiasco. South Korea president got slammed thrown in the jail. Virginia gerrymandering. This is a short little, this gives me an opportunity to complain more. Yes, we need more complaining. Oh, ready? Go. Virginia lawmakers passed a constitutional amendment today that would allow the legislature to redraw voting maps ahead of this year's midterm elections.

Starting point is 02:48:53 The vote landed along party lines in the Democratic-led state Senate. If Virginians approved the measure, it could help Democrats gain as many as four seats in Congress. Before the vote, lawmakers from both sides laid out their cases. This isn't about payback. it's about restoring and preserving balance to our system. And I will grant that we started it. But a number of states have stood up to bad ideas. Earlier this week, Virginia's Democratic leaders said that a new map would be made public by the end of the month with a referendum to follow in April.

Starting point is 02:49:27 Democrats currently hold six out of Virginia's 11 seats in Congress. All right. I feel around coming. Okay, the guy in there that said, hey, we started it, is the Republican. What does he mean by that? He means that Texas, which was told to redistrict by the courts, largely. It wasn't something that they just started to do for no good reason or just to get rid of Jasmine Crockett. That's not starting. It was started long ago by the Democrats.

Starting point is 02:49:54 There's not one Republican representative in Massachusetts or Connecticut or Maine or Vermont. There's not one. They're the ones who started it, not the Republican, you doofus. I'm going to show my subdued by donating to no agenda. Imagine all the people who could do that. Oh, yeah, that'd be fab. Yeah, oh, no agenda in the morning. That was a concise rant.

Starting point is 02:50:23 That was very good. It was tight. It was tight. You wanted tight instead of rambling. It was tight. So if I was rambling, I'd just be doing a podcast where I'm sitting there staring at a camera. With cans. With cans.

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Starting point is 02:57:21 You can discuss all of the items we talk about and what's going on in your local community at a no agenda meetup. They are all over the world. Noagentametups.com. In fact, it's, I wonder, it may just be ending about, although those guys party hard in the Netherlands. The get-sur dray of the empty PayPal and broken brain out of the house meetup kicked off this afternoon in the Netherlands at De Hiren from Bergen-Dahl in Gelderland.

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Starting point is 02:58:15 So there will be English spoken, I guess, and Portuguese. And we would love to have a meetup report from you guys. Coming up in the month that's left here in January, Fort Dodge, Iowa, Indianapolis, Indiana, Alpharetta, Georgia, Oakland, California, and Wilmington, California. And many more listed throughout the coming months. All you have to do is go to No Agenda Meetups.com. search for a meetup near you. If you can't find one, no problem. It's free to start one.

Starting point is 02:58:38 You can do it all by yourself. It's easy and always a party. Sometimes you want to go hang out with all the nights and days. You want to be where you want me. Triggered or hell's a blame. You want to be where everybody feels the same. It's like a party. Yeah, yeah, like a party.

Starting point is 02:59:04 Before we get to John's tip of the day, which sometimes can save your kid's toe, these tips of the day are important tips. We'd like to select what ISO we will use at the end of the show. I have two. I don't think I'll win, so I'll go first, and you've held these two in the band since the last show. Forever.

Starting point is 02:59:22 Here's my first one. It's unbelievable. Here's my second one. It just blows my mind. I like the kid was clear. but it's not really good. Let's hear what you have. Starting with the stammer.

Starting point is 02:59:41 Let's see what I have. I have, well, let's do tune. Tune soon? Tune soon? Yeah. Great, but that was over way too soon. Tune soon. Okay.

Starting point is 02:59:55 Yeah. It was over way too soon. Get it? Yeah, I get it. Okay, it's best. This podcast and these guys are the best. Let me listen again. Great, but that was over way too soon. I mean, I'm getting to the same point where what she says is good, but it's just so fake. You don't like her. No, I don't. This podcast

Starting point is 03:00:19 and these guys are the best. Well, you know what I like about it? The honesty. All right, everybody, stand by. It's time for John's tip of the day. Great advice for you and me. Just the with JCD and sometimes Adam. So this is a gift that was a gift from J.C. who researches his gifts and products and recommendations

Starting point is 03:00:47 to an extreme, my son. And I got this thing. I said, oh, okay. There's a gift he gave to you is what I'm presuming. Yes. Yeah. And he says, no, no, no, don't take it lightly. This is a killer.

Starting point is 03:01:00 And so I loaded it up and it's indeed a killer. Killer gets. This is a flerosol designed in Holland by an American company and made in China, made in China. And it's called the flarrisol Olivia. And this is a specific oil sprayer for olive oil specifically. So what does flerosol mean? Is that a device?

Starting point is 03:01:33 It's a brand name. It's just their company. Okay, but it's a device. Team flare is all. It's a device. And then you look it up, this is, you find it on Amazon. There's a bunch of F-L-A-I-R-O-S-O-L. You'll find a bunch of their products on Amazon, but the Olivia, which is the one, is the one I have,

Starting point is 03:01:50 which is the one designed specifically for a spraying olive oil. You think, well, I've seen these sprayers before. I've got a bunch of different sprays. You squeeze a button in the spray a little bit. And you spray it on pans if you don't want to use waste oil. or you spray it over something that's been cooked with olive oil flavor, so it adds that little. Can you spray it on your salad?

Starting point is 03:02:09 You could spray it in your salads, but I think you should mix the oil in the salad dressing. Okay. But you could spray it on your salads if you had some really flavorful olive oil that wanted to spray. This thing is, besides being gorgeous, it's phenomenal. The spray is not just lany oil spray.

Starting point is 03:02:27 This is a, I can't even describe it, but the spray goes out as a, as a, as a, as a, as a, as a, as a, as a, as a, as a, as a, kind of moon-shaped, kind of an ellipsis. It's a kind of an ellipsis. It's an argy spray. It's very artsy. And it's, and it has a feel that I've never felt before in terms of the squeezing, when you squeeze the lever to spray, it's totally, it's eight, P, I'm, anyone out there

Starting point is 03:02:56 who cooks, this is just, I'm telling you, take my word for it, or as Adam would say, trust me. This is a terrific product. It's 2699. I think that's kind of high. Now, does it have a lever or a trigger? Is it a trigger that you hold? That's a trigger. Can it also be used in the bedroom?

Starting point is 03:03:17 If you want to spray your wife with olive oil. And there it is, everybody. Find them all at noagetnafund.com or tip of the day.net. Sometimes Adam, created by Dana Burnetti. Trust me, bro. Also, you can always find these tips of the day on X. Nico Syme has always posted them. I think he maintains one of the websites, so it's good.

Starting point is 03:03:48 These could be life-saving tips, everybody, just so you know. Also good is what's coming up next on the Noah Genes Stream. If you're listening live in your modern podcast app or whatever, you don't have to stop the music. on going, as we used to say. D.H. Unplugged. Episode 786, back from vacation. The Boys

Starting point is 03:04:09 Are, so stay tuned for that. And end of show mixes. We have two classics. We've got the machine-killing machine, and Donald Winkler. You'll recognize both them if you've been around, but they're good to

Starting point is 03:04:25 listen to again because it's all about bombing Iran. And I'm coming to you from the heart of the Texas Hill Country here in Fredericksburg, Texas in the morning, everybody. I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley, where I remain, I'm John C. DeVorek. We'll be back on Thursday. Please join us for another round of media deconstruction.

Starting point is 03:04:43 I'm sure something will be happening that you need to find out what's going on. And always remember us at no agenda donations.com. Until then, adios, mophos, a hooey-hooie, and such. I'm gonna bomb the shit out of. I'm gonna. I'm gonna. I'm gonna bomb. I'm gonna.

Starting point is 03:05:13 I'm gonna. I'm gonna. Now you're talking about sweet-nees, underhanded people. Now you're talking about sweet-le-le-old. Underhanded people.

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