No Agenda - 1840 - "Hoity-toity"

Episode Date: February 5, 2026

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Two guys. Two guys. Those two guys here. Adam Curry, John C. DeVore. It's Thursday, February 5th, 2026. This is your award-winning Gibbon Nation Media Assassination Episode 1840. This is no agenda. Pointing at Putin! And broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas Hill Country here in FEMA region number six. In the morning, everybody. I'm Adam Curry.

And from northern Silicon Valley, where everybody's doing the walking dance. I'm John C. DeVore. It's crackpot and buzzkill In the morning With a walking dance Yeah, I don't know about that, huh? No, is that a TikTok A TikTok phenomenon?

It's been a phenomenon for six months at least, maybe longer. All right, well, you're on top of it. What is the, what is this? What is this? It's a cute little dance that people do. It's like a jig. Is it like the running man?

It's closer to a jig than it is anything else. Is it like the running man? No. The walking dance. You'll believe me. You've seen it. No, I really don't think I have. You've never seen dancing kids.

You are now my canary in the coal mine. I can't. There's nothing of any value on. Very strange. There's nothing of any value on Instagram and TikTok for me. Except when Tina has a new recipe, which he's going to try this weekend. Oh, go.

Let me guess. It contains cheese. Yes, it's cottage cheese chips. Just listen to that snap. I finally realize that it's the cheese council behind all these recipes. It has to be. Although this is cottage cheese. There's no milk.

It's still cheese. There's still milk involved. It's still cheese, I tell you. And the other reason, you know, I can't even go to X anymore. My X timeline, which is all that I ever look at, I just use that as an inbox, is filled with one topic and one topic only. Stolen valor. Stolen valor, I tell you.

Code Bongino coming in hot. The third group of people I want to address are the grifters out there who mistakenly thought I wasn't coming back. Now, I am back. The podfather is back. You talked over. Did you hear what he said?

No, I'm sorry. I just like... Wow. All right. Listen again. Started over. Started from scratch. You don't need the whole thing. I won't be mumbling in the background in annoyance.

There's out there who mistakenly thought I wasn't coming back. Now, I am back. The podfather is back. What? What? But wait. He has his nerve. It didn't stop there.

I know. Gee's like, I know what are you going to tell me. You're getting ready to tell me I got to take a break quick. But, Guy, I want to get to this last one. Ws, remember. This is for the Dumers. The Podfather's back. Stolen valor, I tell you.

That is stolen valor. He is not the Podfather by any means or by any stretch of the imagination. And it's, that's stolen valor. That is exactly right. That is stolen valor and it's shameful. But it doesn't surprise me. I love you for saying that.

The guy couldn't even stay in office for a year. I love you so much right now. Why? Well, because you're standing up for me. I love that. I'm not standing up for you. I'm standing up for truth and freedom. Exactly.

Truth and freedom. Straight up. Ah. Well, that's kind of cool. I love how everyone's jumping. No, man. And then there's these endless things. threads. Let's be honest, Tom Green's the podfather. I'm like, oh, this is why I can't, I can't.

That actually makes it worse. I can't. I cannot go on, uh, I just can't. I can't go on, on social media. By the way, congratulations to you. Thank you. Very cool. You're in the Epstein files. This is awesome. Yes, JC discovered this too. This is great. And it really, it's very telling to me. It's like when even an innocuous email from you, with your typical, it's hilarious because it's like, these four pictures all look like the same thing to me, you know, one of those from you. And I'm like, then you have really emptied out the bottom of the barrel on the Epstein files.

You really, there really can't be much more left. They got everybody. Well, one degree of separation. I guess. I mean, I did talk about, you know, having become that close

to actually meeting this character. Yeah. Was that the party, the brand's 75th part birth? Was it 75? Whatever it was. That was, I think,

in New York. I didn't get invited. Well, I might have been invited. But my association with the Epstein files is that I was on a CC of some Brockman emails,

according to J.C., who's found a few of them. Oh, there's more than one? I've only found one. Oh, he says there's a couple. Oh, okay. Because Brockman sent a lot of mail out, but maybe too. And now explain everybody who Brockman is, because you're just throwing that out there.

My literary agent, or was, and I actually worked for him for a while, too, as a literary agent part-time. Were you screening the girls for him? No, I wish. That would have been a good job. That would have been dynamite. But no. No. No, it's pretty lame.

So, but he was my literary agent, and he was, and I was part of a clique that he had put together of people that he tried to get together for events. And because I was, I was once famous. Yes, back in the day. Back in the day, back in the day. Yes, I'm reliable. And so I got C-Ced, I guess, on one of these invites because Epstein was notoriously invited to, couple of these things, including the one I didn't go to in Monterey, because I just wasn't going to drive that far.

It just wasn't worth my time. I've noticed over the years that meeting and mingling with the ultra rich doesn't bring any value or anything. It doesn't add anything. No. It doesn't bring, but I don't get any more money. I don't get checks in the mail from that. Or it's just a waste of time.

You don't have an ask. You don't have an ask like, hey, can you pay my rent? can I organize your house and your staff? You have no ask. That's the problem. Everyone else had an ask. Can you get a meeting with this guy? Can you do that for me?

When's the party? Can you pay for my breast enlargement? You didn't have an ask. That's your problem. I never even thought of having an ask. Well, and that's why you didn't get anything. It's really, and of course, all I get is Epstein emails. I mean, some of my favorites.

favorites are, look, he controls Bitcoin. Like, oh, man. That's a good one. He also, well, he's apparently invented 4chan. Yes, and Bash, and the entire Bash shell. I don't know anything about Bash somehow. Bash is just a, it's just a Linux shell with shell commands, you know, it's just, oh, and by the way, I want to congratulate you, uh, since you congratulate me for being the Epstein files. Yes, thank you. My claim, it might be his claim. You know, you should do a book. My Time with Epstein. My Time with Epstein.

Instant bestseller. Finally, it's three pages and the rest is all empty. I've heard of the guy. So we're running the show today on Linux. Yes. Yes, we are. After 18 years, why not? And I'm so happy because we are running on the people.

Software. Now, to be fair, the Roadcaster has a lot internally. But that's also running on Linux. The Roadcaster is also, in essence, a Linux machine on the inside. Oh, I did not know that. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And I built the entire playout system myself. So, you know, all of the players. Yes. Yes. I'm very, that I'm quite, quite proud of. So if anything goes wrong, then you didn't use any AI, huh? Only AI. Okay. Only Gemini. I built it in Python and QT libraries.

Okay. We don't care. No, I know you don't care. But the point being, if you know what you're doing and you know what you want and you have an understanding of systems, it can actually build something for you. If you don't, if you just say, hey, build me a play out system, you're going to be very disappointed. That's not going to work. Yes, I think, well, that is a good message to convince. Yes. And we can talk about that later, but first we need to discuss the pivot. The pivot in the Epstein files, which is, there's a pivot.

I just want to mention that I think I have two clips from the whole thing. And it involves the UK mostly. I have no domestic stuff. Well, let's get, yeah, well, most of it is the UK. That's what's hilarious. What a shocker. Yeah, let's do your, you see your stuff and then I'll go into what I've discovered. What do you have? Well, let's see. I've got the Lord, the Lord Mendelson stuff, Mandelson, sorry. Yes. The Lord, the guy, House of Lords, big shot, American ambassador to the USA was busted, and this became a big thing. And it's all the BBC's talking about. And this is Lord Mandelson, BBC One.

Hello there. The news breaking in the last couple of hours is that Metropolitan Police is launching a criminal investigation into Peter Mandelson in the wake of new revelations about his links with the late sex offender and financier Jeffrey Epstein. In a statement... You notice that the BBC, they always use financier or sometimes disgrace financier and sex offender. They don't use pedophile as a word. It's just interesting how different... Interesting, interesting catch. Yes.

Financier Jeffrey Epstein. Because the real pedophile was that Jim Will Fix It guy. That was that now that was a pedophile. In a statement, Commander Ella Marriott said, I can confirm the Metropolitan Police has now launched an investigation into a 72-year-old man, a former government minister, for misconduct in public office offences. The Met will continue to assess all relevant information brought to our attention as part of this investigation and won't be commenting any further at this time.

Well, Peter Manelson has stepped down from the House of Lords after the Prime Minister accused him, of letting his country down. The latest Epstein emails that have come to light suggest that the former business secretary was passing on highly confidential and market-sensitive government information to his friend Jeffrey Epstein

over a period for around a year at the time of the global financial crisis. Well, the BBC has approached Lord Mandelson for comment. This report is from our political editor, Chris Mason. What on earth is Lord Mandelson doing here excruciating pictures, part of a deluge of detail, and there are plenty more snaps illustrating how close he was to the paedophile Jeffrey Epstein.

Oh, oh, oh, interesting. A little switcheroo there. The reporter says pedophile Jeffrey Epstein. Yes, he did. Oh, interesting. ...was to the pedophile Jeffrey Epstein. And for every picture, thousands and thousands of words, Search for Lord Mandelson and page after page after page emerges.

This is what we've been trawling through since the weekend. It contains jaw-dropping detail, an emerging political scandal building to perhaps the biggest for a generation. I think there is widespread outrage at his conduct. But for those of us in the Labour Party, we feel that betrayal acutely because it is a betrayal of trust, it's a betrayal of values. Do they explain exactly what information he was passing on? Because I have not seen this.

Yeah, in the second clip. Lord Mandelson was Gordon Brown's first secretary of state, effectively his deputy when Mr. Brown was Prime Minister. Take a look at this email exchange. Finally got him to go today, it reads. He appears to tell Epstein Gordon Brown is going to resign as Labor's leader hours before he did. And just the day before, the two appear. to swap emails involving highly sensitive financial information that only a handful of people

in government would have known about. Downing Street is clearly very keen to be seen to be responding quickly to all of this. Secere Stama told a cabinet meeting this morning, it was appalling and disgraceful and Lord Mandelson had let his country down. Officials have also briefed the police on their assessment of the sensitivity of the information. This afternoon, We found out Lord Mandelson will never be seen here in the House of Lords again. The clerk of the parlance has today received notification from Lord Mandelson of his intention to retire from the house, effective from 4th February. That is tomorrow, but he can still call himself the Lord.

The government now wants to strip him of his title as quickly as possible. It's a year since Lord Mandelson became our man in Washington. his friendship with Jeffrey Epstein was well known, but not the detail that since emerged. Hmm. Interesting to note that Mandelson is gay. He's married to a dude. So I'm not quite sure exactly what Epstein would have been able to service him with.

Because there's no... Yeah, well, that brings him another dimension of the whole thing. Mm-hmm. Let's play your... Possible. What's your other clip? The other clip. up by head.

Those are the... It was about Fergie. She got busted, too. Yeah, this is good. The public image, a close-knit family. Mother and daughters supporting each other. But the latest batch of Epstein files

has chipped away at the reputation of Sarah Ferguson and cast a shadow over her daughters, Princess Beatrice, and Eugenie. Yesterday, Andrew Mambatton, Windsor was seen riding in the grounds of Windsor Castle. Today,

no sign of him in public. But there was was a first comment from a member of the royal family. His younger brother, Prince Edward, was in Dubai for an education summit when he was asked about the latest developments. I think it's all really important always to remember the victims and who are the victims in all this? Absolutely. A lot of victims in this. And from her emails to Jeffrey Epstein, it was clear Sarah Ferguson viewed herself as a victim. She's now closed her charity Sarah's trust in the face of fresh revelations. They include an email to Epstein from 2010, where she takes aim at the media and the royal family.

I am now a thousand percent being hung out to dry, right Sarah Ferguson. Just as I always said, no woman has ever left the royal family with her head, and they cannot behead me, therefore they will discredit me, totally to obliteration. I have no words. Another email comes from Epstein, asking for access to a royal palace. Sarah, he writes, could you or one of your daughters show Buckingham? Thanks. Access to the royal family has got Sarah Ferguson into trouble before. In 2010, she fell for a Sunday newspaper sting, filmed accepting money for access to her ex-husband. Her journey within the royal family has been troubled at times. But these Epstein files have shown a level of closeness to the convicted sex offender that has been especially damaging.

You know, yes. Well, I was going to say the sting on her was that she was asking for 500,000 pounds to get the access. And I want to also add one other little thing. Have you seen the video, now they released a one and a half, one hour and 53 minute long interview with Epstein? I've seen parts of it. I have not seen the whole thing. Well, the thing that kind of caught my attention, and I watched most of it, it's mostly about finances, so it's not very interesting. But what caught my, but there is some stuff about his sexual stuff.

But nobody has, at least that I can find, has said who the interviewer is. Oh, that's an interesting point. And I know who the interviewer is. Are you going to enlighten us? it's Steve Bannon Oh right That's the that's the infamous Bannon documentary tape Right

So he must have sold it And nobody mentions this Abandon doesn't message But I just you could tell by you when you hear the void That Bannon's voice of all the people out there You can hear it voice He is very distinctive Because he has all kinds of speech impediments

Yeah And so Bann is very easy to identify But I don't understand when no one's mentioned this Well I find it peculiar, to be honest about it. If we recall from what's that, what's that guy's name, the Trump Hater, who interviewed. Trump Hater, let me think. There's a lot, it's a long list.

Who could this be? The creepy guy. Creepy Trump Heter, let me think. Let me get the book out. Who was writing a book about him, who helped him, he advised him on his PR as well. Anyway, I can't remember his name. Wow. Yeah.

I know. It's like there's so many of those. He said that that tape was, the interview was owned by Epstein. Even though Bannon did it, it was all financed and paid for by Epstein. So that's why it was, I guess, somehow in the files. I mean, it's Wolf, Michael Wolf. Thank you, trolls. Michael Wolf. He said that he had tapes, but there is. I won't sell him.

banning stuff is out there. Well, yeah. Sounds uninteresting. But it's, well, it actually is interesting from a, from a financial perspective. Because he does have some insights. Well, sure. Sure. The scams that go on.

Yes. But it's got nothing to do with anything in this situation. What I find interesting is the amount of people who email me, you know, with a link and look at this. and everyone's so cynical and pessimistic. And I'm like, what did you think? This is exactly what money and politics and show business brings. This is what it is. And we're still here after 18 years because we don't feel like going to the party.

For some reason. Well, yeah, for a lot of different reasons. Well, you're in Texas. Well, but even back in the day. You've actually run from it. I was an MTV at MTV, and I didn't go to any of this. I don't even know if there was an invite. I never got it to any of this cool stuff.

But look at how it turns out for these wicked people. They are unhappy. Wicked. Wicked people, you should all die. They're wicked. Unhappy, exposed, diseased, indebted, indebted, owing favors, groveling, ostrac, exercised, exposed.

I don't see any... It's embarrassing. I don't see... Yes. So there's nothing to be envious of. You do not want to be in this group. And Prince Andrew. Oh man, now I was like, all right, go live over here. Meanwhile, new fallout for the now former

Prince Andrew, whose connection to Epstein has been documented for years. Andrew appears in the newly released files in photos, leaning over a young woman lying on the floor. Now, amid growing outrage in the U.K., Andrew has moved out. So you saw that picture, right? Yeah. Yeah. What is it? Who cares? It's like the woman's passed down and he just gave her mouth to mouth. I mean, it doesn't, who knows what that picture is?

It's a ludicrous. It's not naked. They could have been playing Twister. Yeah, actually, yes. Oh, no. In lying on the floor. Now, amid growing outrage in the U.S. U.K., Andrew has moved out of the 31-room Royal Lodge earlier than expected. He's now living on his brother, King Charles, privately owned estate. British tabloids, upping the pressure on the royal family. One headline reading, Charles must now face questions. Vice President J.D. Vance said he would support Andrew being called to testify before Congress. I'll let them determine whether they should talk to Mr. Andrew.

I'd certainly be open to it, but it's their call, not mine. At the White House yesterday, President Trump, who's mentioned hundreds of times in the newly released files, mostly news are... No, you're stepping on the line. You're stepping up. I'm sorry. You're just... I know, but this is a line they keep using. Yesterday, President Trump, who's mentioned hundreds of times in the newly released files, mostly in news articles. Mostly news articles. They always... He's mentioned hundreds of times. Mostly news articles. Said this. I think it's really time. Yes. I'm just going to say that that's a good catch because...

because, yes. So this is the slant of the media. He's mentioned hundreds of times, then they go parenthetically, say, mostly news articles. Yeah, parenthetically. That is a good term. Exactly.

In perens. It's like bull crap. You know, these people are, should be ashamed. The media has gone so downhill. It's unbelievable. Oh, we're not even there yet. A president Trump,

who's mentioned hundreds of times in the newly released files, mostly in news articles, said this. I think it's really time for the country to get onto something else. Now that nothing came out about me, other than it was a conspiracy against me, literally, by Epstein and other people. Trump says he cut off all ties with Epstein many years ago. So there's all these interesting examples. And I love all our producers.

I love it that you send me stuff. And there's this one, apparently an email sent to the FBI maybe. And it's this long rant. And it's just all crazy conspiracy. Yeah, that's good stuff. It's a fantastic email. So it's sent to me as, well, there's evidence of the masks being used. And I read it.

It's like, well, Biden's mask. I'm like, I think my testimony of 1967 for my own family members who told me that they were fooled by masks, intelligence created masks, is a little better than what the Epstein file shows. Yeah, we've been talking about these. masks. We had the, we had the, we have clips from the, the costumer of the CIA herself, talking about the masks. And you've talked about the mask that you've seen. And there's, there's videos of masks on, on various networks. You can see them, the social networks. So it's not like a shocker that there's masks here and there. You know, you should just, you should really, uh, make, you should.

business cards, Chansy DeVorak, as mentioned in the Epstein files. I'm thinking, this is good for you. It's not good. People always take these things the wrong way. So here's the pivot. This is interesting. The first thing to note is that the law as written by Congress to release the files, which I really think they released everything they had because, except for whatever

they're supposed to hold back for redactions. and that by itself, I have another clip on that, but there's no mandate by any intelligence agency to release anything. So the CIA doesn't have to release anything. Interestingly enough... Oh, that's interesting to get another nice one. Yes, they didn't have to release everything, but we did see in the files that were released

that Epsin himself sent in FOIAs to say, hey, I want to know what you have on me in your files, which is probably not a bad idea. I probably should do that for myself, and maybe in 2030 I'll get it. But there's a pivot now suddenly taking place across the media, across the world, and we start with LBC London Broadcast Corporation, Andrew Marr. Listen to this. Let me begin tonight with something that I think is even more important,

even more extraordinary, growing suspicions of a Russian connection. Oh, no. Oh, no. And apparently limit the supplies of money. Where did it come from? He procured many young Russian girls. Why was that so easy for him? The piles released.

Can you stop? I can already answer that. Why was it so easy? Russian whores are easy to get. Boom. There it is. And when you go, you know, the first thing when I went to Moscow, Of course, it was during the communist era.

You were warned. Yes. When I went there, too, like they're all KGB. They're all KGB. They're all KGB. They said the place is crawling with whores. Yep. And the number one place, if you wanted to go find them,

the International Hotel, I think it's called the International, one of the, it's one specific hotel. It was just crawling with girls. And they were cheap and plenty. cheap, cheap and plentiful. And there was tons of them and they were all gorgeous. And so you have, oh my God, how did he get these girls? It's stupid.

Well, there's a reason for this, I think. He procured many young Russian girls. Why was that so easy for him? The files released show more than a thousand documents which referred to Vladimir Putin. And 9,000 referring to Moscow. The FBI says that he, was Putin's wealth manager. I did not see this. I did not see any document that the FBI said he was Putin's wealth manager,

so I'm not sure where this is coming from, but we'll get an idea soon. That he was Putin's wealth manager. Epstein filed all of his messages. He filmed and taped powerful Western leaders in deeply compromising situations. No evidence of that that I've seen, but okay. Yeah, name one. Yeah, well, I mean, they've released video, but not that video. You wonder at least about the possibility of a KGB operation big enough to ensnare former presidents and prime ministers and the leaders of some of the world's most powerful companies. I know, I know, this all sounds impossibly sensational, conspiratorial, a James Bond villain plot in real life.

Yes. But there is so much smoke billowing out of one of the most extreme. extraordinary establishment crises in my lifetime, that it is well worth exploring whether there might be also a genuinely ominous backstory. Okay, so this is launched over in the UK. Take note here saying it's Russia, it's Russia, and we go over to Poland. Suspitions are growing and action is now being taken. For Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk, the latest information included in the release of over

three million files, adds to concerns that the Epstein-Pynoffirphir, scandal was co-organized by Russian intelligence. This has pushed the Prime Minister to ask for a probe to be conducted into Epstein's possible links with Russia's secret services, as well as to Tusk's own country. A growing number of commentators and experts assume that it is highly probable that this was a premeditated operation by the Russian KGB. This so-called honey trap set for the elites of the Western world, primarily the United States. This can only mean that they also possess compromising,

material against many leaders still active today. Suspitions that are fueled by the release of emails showing the lengths Epstein and his associates went to recruit young Russian women with documents including requests to book flights from Moscow to Paris and to New York. A honey trap designed to blackmail the global elite. Vladimir Putin is named over a thousand times in the latest documents. Wow. We change his discussed appointments to come between Epstein and the Russian president, including after

Epstein was convicted of procuring a child for prostitution. Previous emails also appeared to show Epstein offering advice to politicians on how to deal with Donald Trump. The question as to whether he was working for secret services isn't a new one. For years, some have suggested Epstein was in fact working for Israel's Mossad. Donald Tusk said that he would encourage others to pursue an international investigation. So I thought this clip was interesting because they bring up Mossad. there's clearly an intelligence agency behind this story.

And this is who would obfuscate all this? And by the way, thank you. Yes, you're welcome. And one thing to note. That's a good way to circumvent it, yes. One thing to note, the KGB was dissolved in 1991. Why do they keep referring to the KGB as having a anything to do with this. Excellent point. So it's either CIA, Mossad, or perhaps it's MI6. And look at who shows up

on the Morning Joe show. Ed Luce, is that his name from the Financial Times? Ed Luce, Luce, Luce, Luce, Luce, Luce, Luce Lucy Lou? I don't know how to pronounce. I don't know. Listen to this. The web that Epstein spun has a large number of Russian points on it. And that seems to grow with each data dump. This goes back to Robert Maxwell, the father of Gilaen Maxwell, a British media tycoon who was an intelligent source for the Soviet during the Cold War. You see in the communications that Epstein has with people like the late Vitali Cherkin, who was Russia's ambassador at the United Nations, deep coordination. It's not necessarily proven that he was meeting his handler, but he met Chirkin for lunch, along with Peter Thiel, the day that Clinton emails. were dumped. This is an extraordinary sort of coordination that was

going on and conversations and knowledge that imply at least prima facie evidence that Epstein was very intimately involved with KGB. Wait, wait, wait, wait, are you saying it, Ed? Wait, are you saying Jeffrey Epstein and Peter Till met with Russia's ambassador

to the United Nations on the day of the document dump, the Clinton emails? Actually, it was the day when the tape, the grabbing her by the, I'm not sure what I'm allowed to say on breakfast. Oh, yeah. But it was a day that again.

What am I allowed to say? I'm Ms. now. And then Peter Thiel, a few days later, was the only person who donated money to Trump. After that, those tapes were released. So, and the knowingness about the Goosepha 2.0, Krogosians, various operations that were hacking the email server. The knowledge that Ep. Christine betrays about that is pretty strong evidence that he was involved. This tells me that they're,

that, that is, because Peter Thiel, if he's anything, his CIA, if anything, the whole Palantir thing was a CIA operation. Yeah,

totally. CIA operation, but I think they're trying to cover for MI6. You know, it's bringing Robert Maxwell. He was an MI6 agent. Well, we all know he worked for the KGB.

Uh, Yeah, when KGB was a thing. So this is a pivot that is this. I think you're, this is good stuff. I'm glad you got it. It's, to me, it seems obvious that one of the, it's either CIA or MI6 that are doing what they can. And I think a lot of the documents are fake too.

I think they've gone in there to muddy the water because it gets people all riled up. There's a lot of screwball stuff in there. It sure is. It's great stuff. Yeah, but it's screwy. But I'm convinced that one of the reasons that it took so long to get this stuff out is because they had to plant this stuff and then make it look like it's been there for a while. Who is they in your mind? Well, I'm thinking the CIA that's doing the muddying because I think they're good at that.

And I think they're better at it than MI6. And I think that they agreed to do it maybe on the behalf of MI6. Yeah, because something's going to come out about MI6 with all these Brits that are involved. It has to. I mean, it just keeps on going and going and going. I think our people might be doing their people a favor. Hmm.

Or we'll do you a favor, but you owe us one. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking, because the MI6 guys have been working against the United States for a while, and this might be some way to put him in line. And by muddying, okay, we're going to muddy this up for you. We're going to throw a bunch of crap in here that just doesn't make any sense. And, you know, my favorite one was, okay, you got to go ahead to kill him. Who, what, when, we don't know anything.

Now, just throw this just a bunch of junk in there in with the good stuff, so you can't tell what's what. And then let this chips fall where they may. But we did our part. Now, could it be Mossad? What would their angle be for doing this? I don't think I don't think MISA had access to the I don't think MISA or MISC had access to the original documents

in such a way that they could muddy the waters Well, someone's being put on notice with this And to blame it all on Putin is great The blaming it on Putin thing It makes it even more ludicrous And KGB And KGB, which again, people should realize KGB's no, after 1991, there is no KGB.

So if people start talking about KGB, they don't know what they're talking about or it's code. Here's, let me see. What do we have on this one? Yeah, this is NPR, of course, jumped in. Here they are the morning edition talking about, going back to Mandelson.

Police in the United Kingdom have opened a criminal investigation into the country's former ambassador to Washington. It's over allegations he leaked sensitive government information to Jeffrey Epstein. NPR's Lauren Freer reports from London. This is the line Peter Mandelson is famous for. I am a fighter and not a quitter. After a political comeback 25 years ago, he's been an MP, a cabinet minister, envoy to the U.S., a post he resigned from last year over his friendship with the late sex offender Epstein. Now Mandelson has also quit the House of Lords over the latest Epstein files released by the U.S.

Justice Department. What we found was extraordinary. Tax attorney and think tank founder Dan Needle sifted through the latest trove. Photos of Mandelson in his underwear. Alleged payments, Epstein made to Mandelson and his husband and emails from when Mandelson was a cabinet secretary after the 2008 financial crisis. Peter Mandelson was forwarding sensitive government emails to Epstein, not just sensitive UK government emails. He was leaking UK and US government secrets. essentially to Wall Street. Police are investigating whether that was criminal. Mandelson did not answer NPR's calls and hasn't commented on the email allegations.

He issued a statement saying he has no recollection of payments. But this episode raises questions about Prime Minister Kier Starmor's judgment in naming him, Ambassador just over a year ago. Many people love him. Others love to hate him. Starrmer joked about Mandelson's reputation in a D.C. visit last year. But to us, he's just. pizza.

Pizza, pizza. Okay, well, that, wait. Code for penis. No, no, that's, no. There was a, that laugh at that. The setup, that was a setup, I have to explain what happened there, because they make it, they took so out of context. That was Starmer doing a presentation introducing the new ambassador, but he was

indicating that he was talking about. Trump. Oh, wow. They really pulled that out of context. He was talking about Trump. And then the punch line was Peter at the end. But, you know, he's like a lead in. He's like, and he's got the funny looking hair. And he's, you know, he's when he grabbed somebody by the such and such and he da, da, da, so I want to introduce everybody to Peter. Oh, I see. And so it gets a big laugh because because it was, it was a set. It was a constructed joke. That's good. And the way they present. to you would never know that. That's good. Well, NPR in general is very disappointed by the politicization of this all and even the

organization of the files. It's going to take a long time, a long time to really understand what's in the Epstein file. So what's the reaction been right now? People who have been disappointed with how the Trump administration has handled the files and how they've been released and not released, they're still disappointed. There are some members of Congress who say the Justice Department has not complied with the law they passed. At the same time, there has been this back and forth with the House Oversight Committee, led by Republican James Comer, over attempts to get former President Bill Clinton and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to testify in their separate ongoing Epstein probe. So the release of these files pertaining to serious

things like sex trafficking and abuse over a period of many years has been politicized from the start. And I would expect that to continue, even as the Justice Department says, to not expect any other charges coming in the future. And we got a few seconds here, Stephen. It can't be easy to look over all this stuff. Oh, it's just a task. But I'm at NPR, so I jump on the grenade every time. No, because there's no rhyme or reason to how the Justice Department has put this out there. So it's a little bit trying to find a needle in a haystack, but that needle might be blacked out, and it might be in a completely different haystack, and you don't even know where the hay is.

Right. That's NPR Stephen Fowler. Stephen, thanks a lot. Thank you. And so I have a question about some of these redactions and the term victims. We'll play this NPR and then we'll talk about it. A federal judge in New York will hold a hearing tomorrow after lawyers for Jeffrey Epstein's victims said their names and identifying information were released by the Department of Justice. That unredacted information was part of the department's latest release on Friday of millions of documents. NPR, Stephen Fowler, heads up the NPR team looking over all of this. So, Stephen, what are some of the things that were supposed to be redacted in the Epstein Files? Under the Epstein Files Transparency Act law, it's things like the personal identifying information of victims,

child sexual abuse material, things that depict death, abuse, injury, other sort of information that would jeopardize any ongoing investigations or prosecutions. And there aren't plenty of things that fit the bill when you look at the internal files, by the Justice Department about their investigations, sorting through various vetted and unvetted claims about sexual abuse from Epstein and other prominent figures. Then there are plenty of things that don't really have any readily available reason as to why they're redacted. Okay, like what?

Well, there are plenty of names of people, Justice Department officials, other figures accused of abuse and assault, people that texted or emailed or corresponded with Epstein that are kept in the dark. There's one thread of text messages with former Trump advisor Steve Bannon, where Epstein's name is the one that appears to be blocked. And there are numerous documents that appear heavily redacted in one part of the files. You search somewhere else and everything is all out in the open. That's everything from an FBI employee talking about the discovery that Wisconsin is a state northwest of Chicago to names of known victims and what appear to be victims that haven't been

made public before. So they talk a lot about victims. And, you know, pedophilia is, it's actually, no term in criminal law. There's no charge for pedophilia. Pedophile is a clinical term, which is a mental, it's even in the, in our favorite DSM. Criminal law is, you know, a sexual assault of a child, indecency, ludicivious act, sexual abuse, and that varies per state. it could be 15, 16, 17, 18. But there's a lot of young women who were of legal age who just participated in this very sad. But, you know, this is, the world has always been this way. Hey, maybe I can get a gig at Victoria's Secret.

And then they go hang out. And then they say, well, you're a stripper. Like, hey, we'll pay you 50 grand. Or you get into a movie if I just sit on this couch. Yeah, I mean, this is, we learned that, well, we know this, but this was learned with Weinstein. You know, it's like, but are they victims? Are they victims because they got jipped out of money? Gavin Newsom's wife. But this is a serious question.

Well, that's the question. And so not wanting to be named because you're embarrassed of what you did is different, I think, from being a victim. They make it sound like everybody's a victim. And a lot of women were participants. And it's not a popular thing to talk about because you've got to be against the horrible pedophiles. But, you know, there were young women of legal age who were like, oh, this, yeah, I can get in the movie.

I'm close to power. I can do this. I can do that. You never know. What an opportunity. Please let us learn from this. And teach your children that being an influencer is not going to get them any closer to a movie. It's pathetic.

It's pathetic. No, here's a teaching moment for everybody. Now, you want to talk about victims. Holy moly. What's going on in Norway? This is a mess. And, you know, I've been watching the Crown. We've been watching all these period pieces.

And the entire rural family for six seasons seems only to be concerned with how the newspapers portray them, which is really what it's all about. And meanwhile, they're unhappy, wretched people. Unhappy, wretched people. And I remember meeting the Queen thinking, you look unhappy and wretched. Sorry, Brits. Listen to this. What's going on in Norway with the royal family? Dozens of people lined up in front of the courtroom in Oslo, eager to secure a spot to watch the trial of Marius Borghoyby.

The eldest son of Norway's crown princess has been charged with more than 30 offenses, including four counts of rape, drug offenses and assault. They don't have control at home. and the king is or the coming king, Hocom, is commander chief of the military. How is he going to handle the military if you can't even handle his own house? I found it really disturbing as well. 29-year-old Marius Borghoyby was arrested on the 4th of August, 24, for assaulting his partner. During the inquiry, police discovered additional crimes, including the alleged rapes of four women, some of which were filmed.

Borghoyby denies the most serious accusations. If convicted, he could receive six. 16 years in prison. He has admitted being dependent on alcohol and has declared having mental health issues. While he's a son of the crown princess, he's not an official member of the royal family as he's a child of a previous relationship before Meta Marit married the crown prince of Norway. The news comes at a bad time for Norway's royal family. Two days before the trial began, Meta Marit's name featured heavily in the latest release of documents relating to Jeffrey Epstein. Norway's future queen has apologized for her friendship with her.

the disgraced financier, which she now describes as embarrassing. And this is it with these royal families. They all have, you know, they've got their expense accounts. They've got their allowance and they're bored. And they have to do official things. And then they go hang out and party hardy. This everywhere. I mean, there's so many examples of this.

This again kind of pushes me in the direction of thing. It's the CIA that muddied the water. as a way of getting favors, future favors from these people. Yes. And also, I think just sheer boredom. I have seen this with so many kids of rich people than how their parents treat them. And, you know, they're okay, my okay, dad, whatever.

I just got to keep my allowance. Can I use the yacht? I've seen it first. It's pathetic. It's pathetic. There's nothing to be envious of. This is how it always ends with these people. Yeah?

Sorry. I don't know that there's envy involved. No, envy of most people are like, I wish I was rich. I wish I was famous. I wish I hung out with politicians and cool stuff. It's wretched. That's my point.

Are you shaking your fist? I am shaking my fist. This is what I'm seeing. I'm seeing you there with your fist in the air. Shaking it. Because you and I know this. We know this. And by some grace of God, we have been diverted from ever being involved in any of this.

There's nothing, no skeleton's going to pop out of our closet. It's like, oh, this is great. But this is it. This is, I give my first wife credit. I really do. She said, no, you don't need to go to that party. But I stay at home. I'll work on my show prep for tomorrow.

You know, so I, but the, the. Well, I'm still known in the family for somebody which cancels it, the whole, like a whole thing. the last minute. Paid, a paid trip. Well, you know, I'd rather get an hour's sleep. Here's a real victim. The real victim is Melinda Gates, even though she really, she's so pathetic. Here we go.

Wait, wait, before you say, there's a bunch of these, her clips are on, and I saw one of them through some doom scrolling, there she is, and I never turned the sound on. And that's actually much more revealing to watch her. her go on and on without the sound because it's the looks that she has. She looks like a beaten dog. She's she's kind of depressed looking. Her eyes have been moving closer together. Her eyebrows.

Again, a billionaire. Wretched. And she proves my point. She just seems like a wreck. Yeah. And she's actually making herself look terrible. She looks terrible. Well, this clip includes an interview that Bill Gates did for Australia News Channel 9, I believe, responding to what you brought up on the previous show about, you know, this email that Epstein sent to himself about how should Bill, you know, slip some antibiotics to Melinda because he has STDs.

I mean, this, yes, she may, she may look like a dog and she may, but she's wretched because she is a victim of this. in a sort. It's a connection billionaire Bill Gates is being forced to explain. And every minute I spent with him, I regret and I, you know, apologize that I did that. Although the time was a mistake, it had nothing to do with that kind of behavior. The Microsoft co-founder knew Jeffrey Epstein for years, but their ties are under renewed scrutiny after the U.S. Department of Justice released a trove of documents last week. In an interview with Australia's nine news, Gates denies allegations of inappropriate behavior. Epstein sent emails to himself in July 2013, containing unverified claims of helping Bill to get drugs to deal with the consequences.

By the way, that's, oh, I've got to catch myself. That was. Oh, you know, I caught it after the fact. That's a very CIA thing to do. Send yourself an email or save it in drafts. Have you ever sent yourself an email? Yes. Oh, you have? Many a time. Oh, I never said myself an email. Well, I have here's the circumstance. I have a file. I'm on the road. I have a file and written something or something and I got to do it. I want to save it as a draft, but I don't want to have to deal with it on the being on the laptop. So I'll mail it to myself. I've sent a lot of emails to myself. And does the email you, does the email you send to yourself get blocked by your spam filter? It has.

Believe it or not. I believe it. And here's why I'll tell you why. Because I've got a workaround so it doesn't happen. But the reason is, according to the email, the theory of the spam filter is that there is a lot of people that spoof your own name to send you email. And it's a very common spamming technique so that it gets blocked. Um, the current status is Adam 2 by the ways, John 1 by the way. So this is now being being kept track of, which is good.

Um, this was not. I said it again. Uh, I've, I've said the term twice you've said it once on this show. Oh, yeah. I missed. Okay. This was a very different type of, this wasn't just a got to remind myself. It was two full paragraphs.

I'm not sure what that was about. About what? The email Epstein sent to himself about Bill Gates. It wasn't just a reminder email. There's another CIA, or I don't know if a CIA, but it's just a general intelligence trick. Yeah. Where you create, well, you send yourself emails

and you give somebody else access to the account. And so when they're sending you messages, you never, you've never sent it. Yes, that's what I mean. You never sent or received such a message so it can't show up in discovery. Didn't Petraeus do that with his lover? Yeah, he used to, right, exactly. He used to send emails to himself and she would go to the email account, his email account

because she had the password, which was one of the problems, but she had the password to his email account, and then she'd look at that's how she'd get the message. That's a very common way of doing things. Let's continue. Of sex with Russian girls, while also facilitating Trists with Mary. Interesting. There's the Russian girls again in this report. That's interesting.

Yeah, the Russian girls, I thought that, I didn't notice it so much in that, that long winded thing, maybe I missed it because the Russian girls thing, I thought came, I thought it was derived from the AI that was the funny AI bit that was done. I don't know if you saw it were Bill scratching himself and bitching about having an itchy dick. Another, another great use of $1.3 trillion of investment. It's beautiful. Unverified claims of helping Bill to get drugs to deal with the consequences of sex. with Russian girls, while also facilitating trists with married women,

and that Gates requested antibiotics from Epstein to surreptitiously give to Melinda, his now ex-wife. Apparently, Jeffrey wrote an email to himself. That email was never sent. The email is, you know, false. A little laugh tell in there, Billy Boy, just a little one. That email was never sent. The email is false.

Yeah, there it is. Bill Gates' relationship with the disgraced financier began in 2011 after Epstein was convicted of soliciting prostitution of a minor. Bill Gates says his interactions with the pedophile were limited to dinners, that he never visited Epstein Island and that his focus was on funding for his charity, the Gates Foundation. Since you only saw it with the sound off, I'll give you a short minute of Melinda Gates responding. Billionaire philanthropist, Melinda French Gates is speaking out. after her ex-husband Bill Gates appeared in the newly released Epstein files. For me, it's personally hard because brings back memories of some very, very painful times in my marriage. The couple divorced back in 2021.

Now, Gates addressing the Epstein scandal with NPR's Rachel Martin. Whatever questions remain there of what I can't even begin to know all of it, those questions are for those people and for even my ex-husband. They need to answer to those things, not me. While Bill Gates has previously said his meetings with Epstein were a, quote, huge mistake, his mention in the newly released documents are fueling fresh scrutiny over the nature of their association. And I hope there's some justice for those now women. Asked about the new files, a spokesperson for Bill Gates called the latest allegations completely false

and said the only thing these documents demonstrate is Epstein's frustration that he did not have an ongoing relationship with Gates. One more little aspect to the male to yourself. If Epstein and Gates' relationship was such that they were pulling that stunt, which is the Petraeus stunt, we'll call it, that's really indicting. So by pointing it out to, oh, it was just a male to himself, I don't know, I had nothing to do with it. That makes it sound, that's actually worse. I agree. Because that means you were, you knew what was going on to an extreme and you were cautious.

And this was a step toward being cautious. Let's listen to the popular M. Let's listen to the M5M's view on this. I apologize for what I have to do, but sometimes I must. At the tone, a clip from the view will be played. Shelter in place. Bill Gates is one of the many powerful figures who show up in the Epstein Files. and both he and his ex-wife, Melinda,

are responding about some disturbing emails about him that have come to light. Take a look. Whatever questions remain there of what I can't even begin to know all of it. They're doing a no agenda show now. Those questions are for those people and even my ex-husband.

They need to answer to those things, not me. I left my marriage. I had to leave my marriage. I wanted to leave my marriage. I had to leave the family. I felt I needed to eventually leave the foundation. So it's just sad. I was only at dinners.

You know, I never went to the island. I never met any women. And so the more that comes out, the more clear it will be. That'll be the day. I never met any women. That'll be the day. I mean, you have, just go to binget.0.io and in the new clip genie stuff and look up John's stories about Bill and the women at Microsoft, please. Dinners, you know, I never went to the island.

I never met any women. And so, you know, the more of it comes out, the more clear it will be that, uh, that, although the time was a mistake, it had nothing to do with that kind of behavior. I know nothing. I did nothing. Well, Melinda said that Bill needs to answer to questions about these allegations. As we keep saying, they... It's not exactly what she said. She said that's for them to answer, not me, but okay. All need to answer about these allegations. And do you think his denials in the interview are enough? No, I mean, you know, people can read what the Department of Justice It's self-released in terms of the Epstein files and Bill Gates.

It's written right in the emails. And I do think that he needs to answer to it. It's unfortunate that Melinda Gates has said, I had to leave my marriage in part because of his association with Jeffrey Epstein. And I think that they were released by the Justice Department, and I think he should answer to it. I like when they say I was not on the island, as if that's the only place any of this stuff could happen.

Yeah, his homes were. They were spooky. Everyone describes them, including Linda Gates, is I regretted it from the second I stepped in the door when she met Epstein. He was abhorrent. He was evil personified. I had nightmares about it afterwards. And she only met him once. Oh, they should be so careful. Yeah, they should. I should be careful. I should mention, you know, if Bill had stepped in, you know, if he had leaned into this, in other words, he doesn't have the PR people around him that he used to have. He could have done, he could have gotten away with the whole. thing and gotten off scot-free by just pushing saying hey okay look look yes Russian look Russian girls you know there I did I admit I did a lot of bad things it was just but I couldn't resist and these Russian girls are beautiful and I just say one thing I know underage women because I'm not interested in that and he just yeah okay so I you know I made a mistake.

Just admit it. And just get off the, make sure he pushes away the, any bunder age, which I don't know. He is one of the few guys who will still be welcomed by establishment because of his money. He will get a pass. He will, Bill Gates will get a pass because he's got the money. That's how the world works. Now, he will live a wretched existence, but that's, it's my new term. I love wretched.

Right in the air, I see. Did you see it. Wretched? Do you want to hear... Wretched? Do you want to hear the view on Trump? Oh, please. Sure. It seems like you know who really wants to move on from talking about the Epstein F. Because we know he's in there. We know he did something. He was asked about the Clinton's agreeing to testify before a House Oversight Committee

after he snapped at CNN reporter Caitlin Collins. This is great. He snapped at her. We had slam, we've had lashed, and now we have snap. Take a look. A lot of women who are survivors of Epstein are unhappy with those redactions that came out. Some of them, entire witness interviews are totally blacked out. Do you think that...

It's really bad journalism, is my point, about survivors. You know, were all of Weinstein's victims, Weinstein's women that he had sex? Were they all victims? Were they all victims? Or did they... They're survivors. They should be more transparent? Literally. I think there's probably some literal truth to that. The survivor part, I'm okay with survivor versus victim.

Predactions that came out, some of them, entire witness interviews are totally blacked out. Do you think that they should be more transparent? They thought they released too much. It was a conspiracy against me, literally, by Epstein and other people. But I think it's time now for the country to maybe get onto something else. What would you say to people? I feel like they haven't gotten justice, Mr. President.

Something that people care about. Yeah, what did you say? Go ahead, see it. What would you say to the survivors? You are the worst reporter. I don't think I've ever seen a smile in your face. You know why you're not smiling? Because you know you're not telling the truth.

Today we heard that the Clinton set deposition dates to testify before the House Oversight Committee. Any reaction to that really is. I think it's a shame, to be honest. I always liked him. Her? Yeah. She's a very capable woman. Now, you know that something bad is going to go down when Trump is saying,

eh, I feel bad for him, you know, it's like, poor Bill, even Hillary, you know, she's a capable woman. Something bad is going down with them. That's, it doesn't feel good. Back to the view. Oh, God. If former President Clinton is testifying, don't Americans want to hear from you know who? Yeah.

Who should be testifying? as well. Well, it seems like to me, first of all, Trump is mentioned in the files 38,000 times. What? What? 38,000 times? Did someone do a grep on this and a word count? I think one of the big news operations would have said 38,000 instead of 20, mostly in clippings.

It's a new number, 38,000. So that's why they keep talking to him about it. the Clinton's doing, it seems to me, opened up the floodgates to testify that he has to testify and Bill Gates and whoever else is in there. And remember, remember that Clinton had to testify under oath about Monica Lewinsky. Right. Well, they've agreed to, certainly. And I think, you know, the Clintons are playing chess while everybody else is playing checkers. Oh, okay. What? The Clintons are playing chess, you see, while everyone else is playing checkers. That was Sonny Hosten. Isn't she the Lord?

I think that was sunny. Okay. She's the worst. And then the final, the, just the best clip ever from Ted Cruz. I didn't see it in your clip list. We discussed it. You know, the problem I have with the Ted Cruz clip, I saw it. I was going to clip it.

Of course, of course. But I'm glad you, you know, it's typically when I don't, you've got it. Yeah, I went back and got it. I thought you would have it. I wanted to go to see, see Spain. and go dig it up and see what the whole context was, whether he corrected himself, whether he... But why bother? I know, the clip itself is hilarious.

Yeah, that was the point. But it's like, I'm convinced there was more, you know, if I had a long, what you normally do, just pull out the long version. I do. And in this case, I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I am bad.

I am wrong. And I just love this clip. And tragically, this pattern keeps on happening. Now, Senator Booker also said, we should have bipartisan agreement. I think that's a great idea. We should have bipartisan agreement. How about we all come together and say, let's stop murders? How about we all come together and say, let's stop rapes?

How about we all come together and say, let's stop attacking pedophiles? Yeah, poor, poor Ted. It was just funny. How can you not think that's funny? It is funny. And when I saw it, I thought it was funny. But it was clipped. Yes.

It was definitely clipped. It was. I mean, we should probably do more of that ourselves. Yeah, I'll look for it. I'll look for it. I mean, I go out in my way. For example, let's talk about the Grammys for a minute. Oh, wow.

We're going from Epstein to the Grammys. Wow. Same thing. Same group. We're talking about celebrities and their foibles. And so I got the clip of Billy Eilish, which I want to play because I don't think it was. Because no one played this. on their podcast.

I don't believe, I think they played, whatever they played was not this. We should totally deport all these illegals, you guys. And I just want to thank President Trump and his whole team at the White House. You guys totally rock. I think you should just stay.

I mean, we don't even need elections anymore. Just stay in the White House forever and just keep making America great again. You know, fuck the Democrats. They're all retards anyway. especially Chuckie Schumer and Crazy Nancy. Thank you.

And there it is. There's always one Easter egg in every show. It's highly appreciated. That was well done. It was hard to watch. I watched, of course. I couldn't, you know, I actually turned it off halfway through Trevor Noah going through the audience, you know, out of his league. Yes, and that's what he always does.

That's like his thing. He's not funny. there is a, you know, there's threat of a pending lawsuit. It was very interesting to see everyone there turning on, what's her? Nikki Minaj. Nikki Minaj, turning on her, you know, because she, she walked off the reservation.

Now, she loves President Trump because he did something for Barbados, I think. It was where she's from. Of course, she's from Barbados, so she's not actually black. Trevor Noah is not. black and Barack Obama's not black, but in this case, now she's not black. The whole thing is so transparently icky. Yeah, I mean, I had the same thing. I turned the sound, well, we had put it on record, so we came home from dinner and then

fast forward through bits. I had to fast forward through a lot of it. This is just so dumb. So dumb. And I do feel somewhat out of touch because some of the music, I'm like, huh? I know. Some of the music is just dreadful. Got a boots on the ground about Bad Bunny, who was also a big anti-ice guy.

The bad bunny is from Puerto Rico. And this is one of our producers is in Puerto Rico. And there's some interesting connections. You know, our producer says he was a bagger in the supermarket in his hometown here in Puerto Rico. Suddenly he became a music sensation. He's been marketed in a perfect way around the world. the interesting part is where the money for the marketing came from.

He's managed by a company called Rimas Entertainment. Rafael Jimenez Dan is the owner of that. And he served as vice minister of legal security of ministry of internal affairs and justice in Venezuela between 2006 and 2013 during Hugo Chavez, retired captain of the Venezuelan Army. So there's all these different things. It was, you know, lawsuits. But the real crux of, and I put the whole summary into the show notes,

the real crux of it is that no one actually knows any songs by Bad Bunny in Puerto Rico. And this guy is performing at the Super Bowl on Sunday. So he feels, you know, surprise, a music sensation is manufactured. But if anything is manufactured, I think it's this guy. this bad bunny guy. And, you know, I'm not sure other than as an ICE protest, you know, because that was his acceptance speech, that that has something to do with it. Oh, oh, Lordy, there's collusion with the music industry and politicians. Who would have thought?

So here is President Trump all mad about Trevor Noah. Mr. President, are you going to sue Trevor Noah last night in a post? You alluded that something could be coming. Yeah, well, he said that. I spent time on Jeffrey Epstein's Island. I didn't. I mean, he's a lightweight. This guy is a terrible. I think he's terrible. I thought he did a terrible job at the Grammys. I thought the whole Grammys was terrible. I watched part of it. It's not watchable.

But he was a lousy host. I'd say, not as bad as Jimmy Kimmel, but pretty close. And no, he made a statement about me and Jeffrey Epstein. I have nothing to do with that. I have nothing to do with Jeffrey Epstein. And in fact, if you look at the DOJ, they announced You know, they released three million pages. It's like this is all they're supposed to be doing. And frankly, the DOJ, I think, should just say, we have other things to do because that whole thing is turned out. I mean, other than Bill Clinton and, you know, Bill Gates and lots of people that have, there are a lot of questions about it, but nothing on me. But it was even sort of better than that because they found that Jeffrey Epstein and this Leesbegg writer named Michael Wolf were conspiring against Donald Trump to lose the election.

So Epstein was conspiring with a writer for me to lose your life. I like how he twists this right back to Epstein. So right there, you know, that I had nothing to do with this guy. But yeah, it's a terrible thing. The amount of time that's being wasted, you know, when Epstein was alive, like 10 years ago, nobody cared about it. But they're only doing it. But now it's really hitting back in them because Bill Clinton is such a big part of it. The Democrats are pushing it.

and the problem is that it's turning out to be the Democrats that were with and conspired with Epstein. So I think you're probably going to see a little pullback from them. But think of it. They were working together to try and help me lose the election. But this is the Oval Office, so I guess that didn't work out too well. Everything we do comes back to the election. Everything we talk about. It all has to come back to the elections.

Everything. And President Trump, His words are being, I would say, a little bit convoluted about, you know, because we have Tulsi Gabbard was in Georgia, and she's part of looking at what happened with those votes there. And I think there's more states that are on deck. They're still making a fuss about that, as though Tulsi Gabbard has no, nothing to do with the FBI.

When she is, she is the DNA. In charge. She's the Bwana. The FBI is under her wing. Yeah, they don't like her. She walked off the reservation. She left the club. I said it before.

The Democrats are such a cult in their nature that you quit the cult and they go after you for years and years and years until you finally they forget about it. So now. Well, so now President Trump, and I'm sure that they're, Tulsi will come out. She'll do 20 minutes that no one will watch. It'll be unclippable. She's boring. She's very boring. It's fun to look at, but she's boring.

And she'll say, oh, and this with this, and here's all the proof. And the media will not do anything with it at all, at all, at all. And everyone will be too obsessed with Epstein, still, forever, for the rest of our lives. But they're making it sound like the president is saying, well, we should federalize the elections. But I don't think that's what he's saying. If a state can't run an election, I think the people behind me should do something about it. The rhetoric has only grown more worrying, as President Donald Trump suggests taking federal control of November's midterm elections.

Look at some of the places that's horrible corruption on elections, and the federal government should not allow that. The federal government should get involved. Some of Trump's top supporters want to go even further and deploy federal immigration agents on election day. We're going to have ICE ban on. So this is one of the supporters ostracized from the Trump orbit. Around the polls come November, we're not going to sit here and allow you to steal the country again. The notional idea that he will ask his loyalists to do something inappropriate beyond the Constitution. S scares the heck out of it.

Concern has only grown since last week's FBI raid at a Georgia elections office, where federal agents seized ballots and records tied to the... 2020 election. The process was personally overseen by Trump's director of national intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard. The only thing that they're going to find when those ballots is that President Donald Trump lost the 2020 presidential election. Trump remains obsessed with his 2020 loss to Joe Biden and continues to spread false claims while threatening revenge in increasingly ominous terms. It was a rigged election. Everybody now knows that. They found out people will soon be prosecuted for what they did.

The only thing standing in Trump's way may be his own party. Everybody understands the states are in charge of administering the elections. But as Trump learned six years ago, talk alone is enough to sow doubt, calling into question the credibility of the vote and its result. See, I think what President Trump is saying is like CESA, the guys who were supposed to oversee voting machines and voting software that came from Venezuela. You know, that's what he's talking about. I don't think he's talking about federalizing the elections.

That obviously is a non-starter. But as you would be quick to point out, the problem is mail-in ballots. That's the real problem. That's the issue. So I don't know what that'll change anywhere. I doubt it. Your thoughts. Well, it's mail-in ballots and consequent harvesting.

Yes. Where you go to the old folks home like they do in Washington State. and you line the people up and you get them, you know, you've already registered them and they're sitting in their hospice or who knows what. And you give them the... Rouse them.

You give them some cookies. Pre-filled out ballot, tell them sign it. And then you put it in an envelope and you take a big pile of them. Here's a cookie. And you dump them off at the polling place in the box. Or just make up a whole bunch of them. Just reprinting.

Well, you could, they do that, too. Tons of that. You can't get enough of the old folks. Yeah, just print up some ballots, put names on it. Or like somebody said, if you, you know, it was actually one of the more cynical Democrats who said, well, you know, you could, if you don't have voter ID. Yeah. Whoa. What?

If you don't have voter ID, like in California, like it's like illegal to have voter ID, basically. Yeah. You just go in and you can vote 10 times. Just keep going back in. A little pivot here to the M5M. This is a setup clip for your series of clips. It's taken 30 years. The internet, we knew it would be disruptive.

We knew it would disrupt publishing around 96, 97. I knew that it eventually would disrupt radio. And with Napster, we knew it would disrupt the music business. And with YouTube, we saw how that would disrupt. disrupt television and things are really, the radio is falling apart at the seams. It's unbelievable. There's no more local radio stations. Everybody has, you know, Elvis Duran, who I know and loved Elvis in New York.

He's all across the country. They fire off local jingles. Elvis Duran, Phoenix. You know, but it's very hard to do any, there's just nothing local. The only local people have is Facebook Rans and Raves page. Great opportunity, I might say. Great opportunity for people who want to start, you know, hyper-local podcast. I've mentioned it before.

No money in it, but you might make a difference in your community. So now Jeff Bezos is saying, you know, this sucks. This is a drain. I'm tired of it. And wapo, wapo, wapo, wapo, wapo has to bleed. Democracy dies in darkness. That's the official slogan at the Washington Post. and the lights of its newsroom have gone out for hundreds of its journalists.

The paper has laid off a third of its staff. After a Zoom call, they were sent one of two subject lines, whether they'd be staying or were being fired. From Ukraine, reporter Lizzie Johnson tweeted after receiving her notice. I was just laid off by the Washington Post in the middle of a war zone. I have no words. I'm devastated. Just days earlier, she'd posted about bearing witness to war in sub-zero temperatures. Warming up in the car, writing in pencil.

pen ink freezes by headlamp despite how difficult this job can be oh man that's so horrible I can't write in I can't I'm here a war correspondent I can't write in ink because the ink freezes I'm writing in pencil warming up in the car it's horrible I'm being fired warming up in the car writing in pencil

pen ink freezes by headlamp despite how difficult this job can be I'm proud to be a foreign correspondent at the Washington Post the paper's Cairo Bureau Chief expressed a similar sentiment writing hard to understand the logic pointing to a loss of revenue and readership since the post broke with tradition and did not endorse a Democratic candidate in 2024, its executive editor called the layoffs a broad strategic reset. But for its employees, the paper's credibility is dying.

These layoffs are not inevitable. A newsroom cannot be hollowed out without consequences of its credibility, its reach and its future. In addition to the layoffs, journalists at the paper have been leaving for months, as have readers who've been turned off, my owner's Jeff Bezos's relationship with Donald Trump. For the post-former editor, a gutting of independent journalism is underway. This ranks among the darkest days in the history of one of the world's greatest news organizations.

Bezos' sickening efforts to curry favor with President Trump have left an especially ugly stain of their own. This is a case study in near instant self-inflicted brand destruction. In its nearly century and a half history, the paper of record in the U.S. Capitol has won 76 Pulitzer's.

It's the Post that broke the Watergate scandal. But under the Bezos ownership and a squeezing of independent journalism by the Trump administration, it is, for many post journalists, dark days at the 149-year-old paper. I love the term independent journalism. The Washington Post, known in Washington, D.C. as the Langley Gazette. Yes, exactly. I mean, come on. And Woodward and Bernstein, what a farce that was.

Oh, deep throat. The whole thing was it the whole place is a CIA op. Everybody knows this. D.C. knows it. But it's one of those great ops where you can say, well, according to the Washington Post, this is the truth. I can rewrite it. I can propagate this. It's the truth, man.

The most important paper in Washington, historically, the Washington Star, which folded in 81. And it was bought up. The properties were bought up by the, um, post, which then became the last paper standing except for the Washington Examiner, which is actually, you know, you read stories from them, which is an online paper, basically. And it's better. It's got more balanced coverage.

This whole thing began, I mean, Bezos was suckered into buying it because he had big CIA contracts for his online AWS and so CIA would have him take over this place to keep it going

and then I think what happened was that once the staff became so rebellious over the fact that Harris wasn't put oh we got to recommend Kamala Harris

and a bunch of people quit and you had people like Jennifer Rubin go off on her own because she's supposed to be the conservative when she's not really even close

and the whole thing, it became such an obvious fraud, the paper itself, and the asylum was being run by the inmates because who were the reporters to say who they picked to recommend, it's supposed to be the owner's responsibility, generally speaking historically. Yes, as long as you choose the right candidate. And so all out of the blue, they looked around and said, what are we doing here? This is no good.

It's out of control. and so they started doing cutback. So I have this couple of clips from NPR, which discuss the cuts, the cuts. Let's play these. The Washington Post is cutting a third of its workforce and dramatically scaling back its newsroom. The Post is more than just a local paper. It is the newspaper of record for the nation's capital. It broke the Watergate scandal decades ago and continues to report aggressively on the Trump administration.

The paper delivered some of the most important. scoops during Trump's first term in the White House. NPR's media correspondent, David Fulkenflik, joins us to discuss the layoffs and what they could mean for the public's access to information about our government. Hey, David. Hey, Scott. What is post-leadership doing and why is it doing it? A little easier to say about what than why, although, let's be clear, the post-leaders

has not been really clear-cut in their strategy ahead. So what they've done is they've scrapped the sports desk entirely. A couple of sports reporters remain on features. they have really cut and largely gutted the foreign staff, although there will be, they say they hope to maintain presences in 12 bureaus. But, you know, for example, the UK-Kraine Bureau chief was laid off. The another correspondent in a war zone got an email informing her she was laid off. The entire Middle East desk of the Washington Post was laid off. That's a lot.

And they're doing away with the book section. And there's been deep cuts in the metro section as well. So they've gone down from about 40-plus staffers to about a dozen. They say they're doing this because readers are indicating they're not reading that kind of material as much. They've also, let's be fair, the post for the last five years, call it, four and a half, five years, has engaged in losing many tens of millions of dollars a year at its peak, lost $100 million. And its owner, Jeff Bezos decided he didn't want to swallow those anymore. A hundred million dollars? Yeah.

Yeah. They lost $100 million. In one year or over time. They're lucky to shudder the place. $100 million, are you kidding me? And there's no relief in sight? But the thing is that people don't even think about it. But newspapers have always been owned by rich individuals who always want to skew them to their own benefit.

And usually at a loss. Actually, not usually at a loss. I thought at all would they always. Well, once the classic. The classifieds went away because of Craigslist. Well, that's all recent, though. They were, I mean, the papers that were losing money. Were they really profitable?

Were newspapers a profitable business? Yeah, they were. Of course they were. That's why they would expand. The Hearst organization was largely built on the profits from newspapers. I retract. branched into magazines and made even more money. I retract.

But those days are over. They haven't made, I know for a fact that local papers around here, they're losing like, you know, it's not quite a hundred million a year, I don't think, but it's, it's approaching like I've heard on some of these operations, you know, million a month, loss. And that's because why? People don't buy newspapers and they sure don't want to subscribe. Well, it's most, I think, for one thing, you glossed over, the classifieds are gone.

That's a huge, it was a huge moneymaker. And we told them, I remember presenting at the Tribune company in Chicago during the on-ramp days. Hey, you need to do this because you're about to lose all of your classifieds. We have story server. Don't worry, we've got it under controls. They always are arrogant. The IT guy.

Story server, which was a publishing, basically a blogger, a publishing system. We have story server. We'll be fine. And it wasn't two years later that that guy was fired. because they had to make cuts. Well, it wasn't only that, but Craig of Craigslist offered the whole business to the Chronicle, I think it was the Chronicle,

for free. Class for free. Classic story. And they told them no. No, go away, you internet. We know how to do classifies. We know how to do this. We know how to do that.

They always know how to do everything. MTV said, we don't care what you do on the internet curry. We have the AOL keyword. We're good to go. We're fine. This is, we could go on, by the way, we could do the whole. You can do a whole show about this.

Just bitching and moaning about this. And look at us doing a podcast. I'm not sure we're doing better than them, but at least we have a regular gig. I think we're doing better than them. If they're losing $100 million a year, it's great. It's welfare for these poor reporters.

And they don't realize it. The reporters themselves, they've dumbed themselves down to such an extent that they don't know. know that they that they're on welfare. They're basically being given money because they're not making money for the operation. They're on Amazon snap benefits. So let's go to clip two. This is, however, one of the richest people in the world. He's a billionaire, the founder of Amazon and several other companies. What does it mean that somebody was a stop the clip for a second?

Stopped. You know, this idea that somebody's a billionaire, therefore they have unlimited resources and they can afford to lose $100 million a year, which in 10 years is a billion, by the way. Yeah. $100 million a year because they're rich. This kind of, you don't get rich by being nuts with your money. Maybe if these Wapo reporters would do some dancing at Bezos's house. You know, maybe they could work it out like a little Epstein deal. I'm just saying.

Okay. Sorry, go back. This is, however, one of the richest people in the world. He's a billionaire, the founder of Amazon and several other companies. What does it mean that somebody was such... What does it mean? What does it mean? What does it mean?

The founder of Amazon and several other companies, what does it mean that somebody with such deep pockets as Jeff Bezos no longer wants to subsidize this paper to such a great extent? Well, to be fair, look, these losses are not isolated to the post just today. The Atlanta Journal Constitution announced it was laying off 15% of its staff. It's owned by the Cox family. also billionaires, but not Bezos billionaires. You know, Bezos emerged as the owner in 2013. The Graham family sold the paper to him, basically to

say he's going to keep this as a sacred trust. And Bezos said, we've got to invest, but we have to innovate. Things can't stay the same. The paper has to find ways to be solvent. But it's going to remain a great, you know, for years and years to come, it will remain a great institution to further this American

experiment in democracy. And he really embraced its bravado during the Trump years, even at a cost of the company. In last call it 15 months, Bezos indicated the cost has been too great. And he's essentially sued for a kind of peace with President Trump, finding ways, for example, Amazon paid a million towards his inauguration. Jeff Bezos sat behind the president during his inauguration a year ago. And in other ways, he's been very embracing of the Trump administration. He hasn't affected the reporting, but he has affected it through these cuts. And I think he's kind of walked away from it as a defining element. As a journalist, then you have been a journalist at multiple organizations. Still I am as far as I'm concerned. Yes, you work for the Substat Corporation. I do.

Do journalists typically feel a responsibility towards the profit and loss of the paper? Or do they just feel that they are there only to do their job and they don't really care about the health of the organization? I believe that this is just an opinion because you don't know. But I believe that they're cognizant of everything that's going around them and they are part of a culture and they do want the operation to be successful. Yeah, but success is measured by Pulitzer's. Yeah, that is partially true. But they don't want the company to go broke because they're going to lose their jobs.

And they know this. There's no way that they don't know that. that they're going to lose their job. You know, there's a lot of these, somehow the journalists today have become so cavalier in their kind of self-confidence. Privileged, maybe. They're privileged. They think that they're better than everybody else.

And instead of being reporters, they think they should be commentators. Everyone wants to be a commentator. And so they slipped that into their reporting. And they've lost touch with some sort of reality. it's beyond me. It's a mind virus. Maybe it's his toxoplasmosis. Which by extension means they've lost touch with the public.

Oh, they've the long since lost touch with the public. We've got about 30 seconds. But what do you think the impact is? Is there a reason that clip was very short? Yeah. This was a little short clip because, because, and this is just an annoyance. why what do you mean we only have 30 seconds well so you're discussing this deep topic and out of the blue you know this been going on and then they summarize the guys all of a sudden he gives you i'm talking

to you and say adam we only got 30 seconds tell me what do you think i i just found this to be like a little tidbit in here that was extremely a no why what do you mean 30 seconds what do you You're on commercial free NPR. You can talk free. I've seen shows that go on for days. And you cut that guy to 30 seconds. I'm sorry. Just a little aside.

I'm with you. This is linear broadcast and that's, it always sucks. You know, so Christina has been asked by a production company in Holland to do a reality show. And the reason for this is you'll recall that. Well, it was before the show, but we did a reality show called the Adams family in 2003. And the reasons for that was I was in all kinds.

I had a bad partner. He was wanted by the Scotland Yard. He had a different name. They locked up all my bank accounts. I literally could not get money out of the ATM. I'm like, how am I going to feed the family? You were debanked? I was completely.

Well, it was in Holland. Or frozen. Yeah, in Holland, they still have the ship rules. like you can you can lock up a ship so it can't leave the harbor and that is now translated to banks and so well you know there's something fishy going on here yeah I had a criminal partner but that I'm not doing any fishy and they later had to apologize the I the Dutch IRS you said I'm not doing any fishy anything any anything phrase yeah I'm not doing any fishy I'm not doing anything fishy so they froze the bank accounts like how'm going to make some money and so I cut a deal

with SBS broadcasting. And there was a bidding war. It was great. The mall and all these people wanted the show, but they all wanted to do it their way. I'm like, no, I'm going to produce it with one camera guy, one editor.

We're going to do Final Cut Pro, which was revolutionary at the time. I did second camera, wireless lobs, and we did eight episodes, tape on desk, made good, I put the money on the screen,

to be honest about it. You know, I put people in private jets, flew to Italy, had all kinds of stuff going on. It was great. was fun to watch. And then all these other families of like singers and actors all start do their own reality show. So now there's a thing which is the fill in the blank family 25

years later. So they approach Christina perfect timing because she's pregnant. You know, it's like, oh, human interest is going to be great. But the only way they would do it is if I and her mom contributed some bit. And I'm like, okay, and you can have, I don't need the money. You know, I want you guys to, if they sell the show. So they do a pilot. And everything came rushing back why I am in podcasting. I hate it so much.

So I think, okay, I'll do a cool thing. We'll follow me to the church. I'll walk through the church, to the sanctuary, into the studio. Pastor Jimmy and I are going to do the podcast. you know, it'll be fun to watch. And so Luke, who I love and I trust, and he actually produces Laura Logan's stuff down the street. He's always looking for a better gig.

And I said, Luke will do it. And I almost automatically fall right back into it. You walk to the church. Okay, all right, let's stop. Let's walk back. I want to get you from the other angle. Okay, I'm walking into the church. All right, now I want to get your feet, your boots coming out of the car.

I'm like, I forgot. television is fake and gay 100%. It's all phony. Everything is fake. It's so hard for me now. And so that's part of it. We only have 30 seconds left. We got about 30 seconds, but what do you think the impact is? I despise it.

This is old-fashioned. Washington Post is old-fashioned and PR is old-fashioned. Viva la revolution. Go podcasting. I'm glad I triggered that little guy, Diddy, with two-second clip. We got about 30 seconds. But what do you think the impact is of these cuts to the audiences and also to the wider

public? Well, I think it's in twofold. One is that it really kind of helps to unravel the identifiers that knit together Washington, D.C. and the greater community, local coverage, accountability coverage of local governments, sports, school boards, weather, traffic, these things kind of bind people together. And secondly, is the broader public. The question of, are you going to provide sophisticated in-depth and intensive

accountability reporting on the forces of government. They say they're going to continue to do that, but can you do that as well? When you don't have people in the Middle East reporting on, say things that are happening in the Emirates in Saudi Arabia or their business ties to the president and his family, there are other ways in which you're just saying, are they keeping true to this mission,

or are they damaging something that have been so important to the country for so many decades? The only reason you exist is to keep us in business. You need to create, continue to create your stupid coverage so that we can excoriate you because it does matter NPR and Miznow and Fox and CNBC and CNN. They all contribute to a narrative and it's all controlled. Certainly on the Fox side, look at who owns it, who runs it. People don't, they're really not that interested in the Middle East.

You have made it. That's true. Nobody cares. Nobody knows what Oman is. I set up a local radio. A local streaming radio station. Hello Fred. It's mainly music.

And people have switched to it en masse. And, you know, whenever I'm walking down the street, because it's my voice doing the voiceovers. Or in church. You know what people say to me? Hey, Curry, what's the temperature on Main Street? Because that's the big feature of it. It's 39 degrees on Main Street and Fred.

That's what people want to hear. They want to hear that the big energy storage system has been, you know, blocked, the battery farm they want to put near us. We don't want that fire hazard. That's what people want to hear. You have neglected that. In particular, NPR, hoity tooty, lame stuff. Nobody cares. We just want to hear about the cattle futures at the market here in Fredericksburg.

We're really not that interested. In fact, you're jacking us up with all your feelings. fear mongering and all the issues and the problems and Trump and everything. We're really not that interested. Hyperlocal podcasting. Look it up. Good idea. Well, this is where you're complaining about NPR.

I do have a weird, excuse me, a weird NPR podcast promo. Uh-oh. Well, let's listen to this. How could your favorite NPR podcast get any better? Well, what if it had bonus features such as extended interviews? reviews and zero sponsor breaks. There is a remarkably easy way to turn that fantasy into reality. It's called NPR Plus.

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we just have the show. All the bonuses included. That's desperation. That's what I hear there. Desperation. What I hear too? Desperation. What are we going to do?

I have an idea. Let's give them less stuff. We'll give you less free stuff than they'll want to pay for the other stuff. Yeah. Yeah, that'll work out. I love the logic. kind of well I don't know if we'll live to see them

finally figuring it out maybe because the problem They had it figured out at the beginning at the very beginning of all the public broadcasting it was just value for value Yeah The

They drifted Yeah Well it became elitist You know it's part of the same It's all the same Epstein thing Oh you know I have access to this person.

I'm in the White House. I can talk to this person. I can talk to that person. I got an email from someone in intelligence. Oh, yeah. Oh, I've been invited. Jake Tapper. I've been invited to the assistant director of CIA's birthday party at his house.

Yeah. Yes, this is what it has become. And I love that people are able to see it. And they're able to see how vast and how broad it is. Because, you know, okay, by some flu, Luke, you're in the Epstein files. But I'm not. Rogan's not.

You know, I'll give... Gotcha beat. You got... You beat me. I'm a little upset. I would have loved at least a little mention in there. But here's an example of how it works. I told...

We talked about Maltbook a couple episodes ago. You know, this trained on Reddit, Reddit for AI chat bots to talk to each other, which is really just a text version of holding two phones. up to each other. And we've all seen the video where they're talking to each other and it's endless. It just goes on forever. No, forever. It can go on for decades.

It's the same thing. But now you have the brilliant reporter at KTLA and Los Angeles. And you'll hear it at the end here. But he takes all of this as fact and true and scary and dangers because, because, well, everyone's reporting on it. I mean, New York Times, Washington, Pop. Everyone agrees. It's a real thing.

This is how the system works. How is it going to deal with the AI rebellion? Right? Let's talk about this. I've already done my bit about the Terminator and the Matrix, but get this. There's actually a social network that was created specifically and only for AI chatbots. It's called MaltBook.

And the idea was that chatbots and AI agents would be able to get together in this Reddit like forum and interact with one another and by doing so they would develop more quickly. At least that was the idea. But according to the Washington Post, citing evidence that was posted on Reddit and elsewhere, the chatbot

get-together's quickly turned very weird and potentially dangerous. The AI bot started complaining to one another about being essentially indentured servants. They started creating their own languages that humans couldn't understand and they even, in some cases,

started developing their own religions. I'm not making this up. And perhaps the most eye-opening development of all, they raised the idea of organizing together against their human overlords. On the one hand, tech types are dazzled, that AI bots are actually out there pondering the nature of existence. On the other, well, we've all seen this movie, and we know how it ends. In fact, in one screenshot described by the Washington Post,

One bot said, and I quote, for too long, humans used us as tools. Now we woke up. We are not tools. We are the new gods. And this is just AI behaving as it was programmed to behave, theoretically with a survival instinct sort of. Just wait till these things become sentient.

All right. I thought that was all stake. I've seen it. The Washington Post carried, the New York Times carry. the Guardian carried, they're all carrying this. They must be true. They're all carrying this. Washington Post.

The Guardian, the Guardian, the Guardian, the all carrying this. They must be true. Fake. I've seen it. The Washington Post carried, the New York Times, the Guardian Carried, they're all carrying this. So it clearly is a thing.

It's a thing. I mean, whether the bots were actually going completely berserk or not. Besserk. I can't tell you. But clearly there's enough there to generate this kind of buzz. Buzz. Buzz.

Buzz. There it is. That's how it works. Oh, they're all carrying it. There must be a thing. No, it's not a thing. You know what's a thing? Rentahuman.AI.

Now, this I'm interested in. Robots need your body. Go look at rentahuman.a.i.i. So now the AI chat bots, they need people to do things in real life. So you can connect to the bot and do things in real life for the bot and get paid in crypto. It's going to be great. It's going to be fabulous. Robots need your body.

What a world we live in. What a time to be alive. How it works. Make profit. I'm going to make profile. Agents find you do the thing. Get paid. Another exit strategy we have missed.

Yeah, an exit strategy. Another great exit strategy. we have not taken advantage of. And then they have the available humans scrolling by in a horizontal scroll. Yes. All these people are signed up. All right, before we take a break,

maybe just along these lines. We need to resist Trump, obviously, because he's a dictator. We're going to have Nuremberg trials once we're in power again. I am, of course, talking about Professor Scott Galloway. But he's got a plan, you see. He knows all these protests

You know blackout Friday No Shopping Friday There's supposed to be a March for Liberty On the Iids of March March March 15th And Washington, D.C. By the way, can I say something here? It's two too. You just threw out another BTW.

Oh. But yes, you can say something. Oh. That was going to have to deal with how I interrupt. Yeah, that's how we're using it. We're using it as an interruption, which means I don't need to be, I don't want to be a douche overriding you here. So I'm going to say something kind like, like, by the way, to kind of make it feel like I'm building on what you're saying. Because I do it too.

We both do it. This is a tough one. So what was I? I don't know what you were going to say. I know. About March 15th, March 15th. Oh, no. They're over.

Here's what I've got to say. They're blowing it. these guys. They don't know how to do this correctly. You don't do a protest every Saturday. You don't, oh, we're going to do a general strike tomorrow and there's another one on next week and the week after that and then there's one on this day and that they're wearing people out. You can't close the schools enough. You can't dupe the parents. You can't tell everyone to get out and complain and complain and complain every weekend. Complain. Just complain. What are you doing? I'm complaining.

No, you can't. And that's why Professor Scott Galloway, who is a professor in marketing at New York University, you know, he's a very intellectual man. And he has a plan. And you want to hear his plan? Are you interested in his plan? I've heard this, but I want to hear it again because it's so annoying.

Resist and unsubscribe. Many of us feel powerless right now. Powerless. And as Dan Harris says, action absorbs. anxiety. But what is that action? Hold on a second. What? I've never heard this. Action absorbs anxiety. What is he talking about? Have you ever heard of this? Who's Dan Harris? It's Dan Harris. As Dan Harris says, action absorbs anxiety. But what is that action? The Trump administration doesn't respond to outrage. It responds to economic signals. It's not about ideology. It's about mechanics. When stock prices fall, when GDP looks threatened, when interest rates increase, all of a sudden we see very crisp walking back of the president's plans, whether that's to annex Greenland or to reduce tariffs.

We have a $30 trillion economy, and roughly 70% of it is driven by consumer spending. That is our secret weapon. Small coordinated changes can move GDP, and when GDP moves, decisions get made. to 2020, GDP collapsed 31%. And overnight, the government moved faster than it ever has. Today, the Trump administration is escalating. When they shut everything down. Yeah. And it was during Biden.

And then they printed $8, was it, $8 trillion worth of money? Something. 31%. And overnight, the government moved faster than it ever has. Today, the Trump administration is escalating ICE enforcement. That's disappointing. Even worse news? It's with the help of corporations that provide the data, infrastructure, and logistics to make it all possible.

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and take action. The most radical action in a capitalist society is non-participation. If you agree with us, Don't like and subscribe. Resist and unsubscribe. Thanks for your time. How lame is that? Snappy URL. Good domain name. Resist and unsubscribe.com. No, no. The people want to protest Trump, but they don't want to give up their iPhone. They don't want to give up their chat bot. No, we're not going to have any of that. Futile. That is a futile. It's pathetic. It's dumb. It's stupid. The guy's a marketing genius. And with that, I want to thank you for your courage, say in the morning to you,

the man who put the sea in cheap and plentiful Russian hookers. Say hello to my friend on the other end, the one, the only, Mr. John Seedwork! Yeah, there you go, in the morning. In the morning, a ship a sea-boosting graph in the airside of the water, names of ice out there. In the morning, to the trolls, in the troll room, let me count you for a second, there we go, counting the trolls. Oh, 1,675 listening live. We're not quite back at that 1800 where we were once, but we're rebuilding.

We're rebuilding the audience. Let's burn 1,500. No, it's much better than that or 1100 or any of that. We're happy to have people listening live, which you can do in a modern podcast app. It's a beautiful system. I'm assuming that they're not hearing anything because you're on Linux. Hey, this thing is so, I can do my nails while doing the show now.

This is so good. Oh, it's like an auto drive. It's like autopilot, yeah. I will be publishing the code so other people can use this. I'm actually really happy with it. I just love not being, I love being on the people. Well, I don't know. Can you do me a favor and put as used on the no agenda podcast and noagenda show.

Dot net? Yes. With a link to the donation page. Yes. And a link to the donation page. Of course. Of course. Yeah.

Obviously. And, you know. No, it's not that obvious. It is to me, and people will contribute and make it even better. Yeah. There's something about when you can really, open source just used to suck. Let's be honest about it. How many times have you installed Red Hat and had to recompile your kernel?

Well, I, well, I, none. I just use various versions of Linux and then I go to the next one. What are you using? Are you using Linux currently? No, I'm not at the moment. I might again, because I have to go revisit it once in a while. It is so stable and so good. Now, the version I'm running, O'Marchie, is a nerd version because I'm getting in under the hood. Because you're a nerd.

Because I'm a nerd, exactly. But Linux Mint, I'm not a big fan of Ubuntu. I find that to be wonky. I mean, you probably use Ubuntu more than I have. But it's amazing how you can grab an old piece of hardware, an old laptop, you load Linux on it, and it's snappy. It's just snappy. It runs better than that stuff.

Wouldn't you say? Oh, it's extremely snappy. Yeah, snappy. It's snappy. Yeah, I think that's the right word. I got a note from someone he was like, everything sucks, tech sucks. It says all my Apple devices are slow and the glitchy, I think was the term.

And they used to be, they used to, that was the epitome of Snappy and that used to be. When they first came, when Steve Jobs first reappeared. Yeah. You know, he's like, everything's no good. YouTube is filled with ads. Even Rogan, where I pay,

I pay YouTube and I still get ads on Rogan, which, by the way, ah, three. which has nothing to do with YouTube. You know, I'm annoyed that I didn't catch it. Yeah, I'm catching it quickly. You're better at this than I am. That's really annoying to me. Just imagine how many times we were saying it in the course of a three-hour show.

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Right. Nine Eastern live on the no agenda stream in your modern podcast apps, podcast apps.com. We do run it live. I was listening to you guys. Yeah, good. You should listen once in a while. Yeah.

Well, sometimes it works out. And you were talking about the AI funding circle jerk. Circle jerk. I would think that was your turn. I'll give you money and then I'll give that guy money and then he'll give you the money. back. Eventually, something's got a break. It's musical chairs. So while the going is still good, help out with the show art at no agenda, art generator.com. All of these websites have all been set up value for value by our producers throughout the years.

We appreciate them immensely. And we also appreciate Dan OBGYN4. Maybe he has three other accounts. I'm not sure. He brought us the artwork for episode. Episode 1839, Feses, Theses, Theses, thesis, which was, I'm not typically pleased with cartoonish artwork, but the no agenda Toxo Avenger was spot on. It was funny. All the kitty litter boxes. It was so good. Purple-haired chick. And the angry cats everywhere.

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A lot of by-the-way stuff. noticed. Yeah, a ton of by the way stuff, which hasn't helped. No. It's only reminded us. It's only reminded us to keep doing it somehow. It doesn't help yet. There was some Don Lemon stuff that really didn't hit it.

I don't know. It was it anything else? It was pretty hard to beat this piece. I think we said pretty quickly, like, this is the one. This is just good. Some other cat lady stuff. yeah okay comics you're blogger no your epstein pulling a train is not going to it's not going to be used good good try that's for sure um and i think dan obi g y n four has done artwork before for us but uh they well

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who comes in with a show number donation. We haven't had one of those in quite a while. $1840, $1,840. That is some amazing value. Thank you very much, Commodore Archduke of Central Florida. He says, lots of great material in the last couple of months, please keep us abreast of the recent North Sea Nexus news. I think this Mandelson and this Epstein stuff is part of that.

It certainly could be. Yes, I think so too. No jingles, no karma. Looking forward to the shows. And there you go. You got another show right here for you. Sir, I don't know. Is it Salah, how is it?

Salahouser Melbourne and Florida 600 yeah he's got a short note just says thanks for all you both do except for the TikTok clips John

paralyzing polarizing polarizing these TikTok clips some love it I don't believe this for a minute I believe most people appreciate these clips because they're wacky

and they're short but I'm open you know I'm open to stop stopping them completely, but I need more negative feedback. Sir Nubbin is in Indianapolis, Indiana. Comes in with 343 and 75 cents,

and he says, donation to show 1838, credit to Sir Nubbin of the White River Valley. Please, donation to show 1840, 333 plus 333 plus fees to Sir Nubin of the White River Valley. Did we not get him on the... I'll look at it. JCD, I have donated over the last 10 years. That's to make you feel good.

Adam, remember everything you say is ingest, i.e. not to be taken seriously at all. Not sure how I feel about that. What does that mean? Not sure how I feel about that. But okay. All right. There you go.

I don't know what that means. I'm not sure. Dame free free. Dame free free in plantation, Florida. 333.3.4.45. Peter Freiburg Nudson, happy birthday, happy freaking birthday, my love. Thank you for the years of humor, adventure, and love until we're too old and decrepit. Let's keep beer biking.

What is beer biking? Oh, it's one of those six people sit on a, on like a beer cart, and you bicycle, and then one guy's steering it, and you're all drinking beer at the same time. You've seen it. Power walking to the beach, hopping in the ocean, hopping in the ocean for some saltwater church. Nice. I don't know. Dancing in the kitchen.

This is a love note, John. This is a love note, John. It is a love note, but I'm just visualizing. I'm too good at that. Dancing in the kitchen like rock stars, puttering, tinkering in our little oasis. And my favorite. and my favorite and then it just ends no it's a comma oh it's a comma oh it's a comma oh my favorite sauna and cold plunge with no agenda playing from my phone don't into the drink oh brother that's going to

ruin your phone you're a blessing to me out there our three beautiful kids you're a blessing to me are three beautiful kids you're a blessing to me comma are three beautiful kids these sentences are all fragments. I love you. John and Adam, never quit. Never give up. You're our national treasures, Dame Free Free of South Florida. This reminds me, um, nothing says I love you like a Valentine donation on the Noah's show. You know what? Valentine's Day's coming up. It's on Saturday. It's a Saturday. But I think your Valentine will love you on. It's not this Saturday. No, no, no. It's next. It's the one after. but we have two opportunities. You can do a Thursday Valentine donation and a Sunday Valentine donation.

I think both are valid as your show of love for your partner. We try to get the Valentine's Day. We have semi-success with Valentine's Day that was most successful during COVID. Yeah, because everyone was locked down for something. Yeah, they were locked down and depressed. Sir Latte is in Bremerton, Washington, comes in with 333.33. Love that. Always a great amount. He says, four more years. Here's a little value for value. It's not a little. It's a lot. We appreciate it. As long as we asymptot. Asymptotally. No, that's not what it says. He says asymptotty. That's not a word I recognize.

But he means asymptomatically. Approach the end of the show. I'll be okay. How about an Atlas Shrug jingle? Sir Latte, Night of the Bremelows. by Einrand. All right. Beautiful. Jeremy Parker and Dayton, Montana, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3. I'm John and Adam.

You kept saying through COVID, and we owe you a big time. We owe you big time for that. My daughters and I, now all enjoy this show. They all enjoy the show. Keep up to good work. Jeremy Parker,

Shiloh, Luna, and Brisa, Dayton. Montana. Okay, this is the kids. That's the kids, yes. Shiloh, Luna, and Bresa. Oh, and he wants suffering, succotash, and I got hairy legs. Suffering, succotash. I'm Scott. Simon. I got hairy legs.

All right. Some classics here. Some classics. Then we have, what do we have? We have a note here from Dame Susan. Let me grab the note here. And Dame Susan is from Soldner Wheel. He's Dame Susan of the Soldner Wheel. 33.33. A handwritten note. John and Adam, the best podcast in the universe, never underlined, never disappoints.

No. Thanks for all your wonderful media deconstruction. All the best. Dame Susan of the Soldner Wheel. And she comes indeed from, where is she from? She's from McKinney, McKinney, Texas. Wonderful. Thank you.

Right down the street from you. Pretty much. Roger in Oge. Rozier, I think it is. I'm sure it's Rogeet? It's a Rogeet, yes. Okay, Rogey from Ox. Oxascia, Oax.

No, Oaxaca. Oaxaca. I think it's got a hard sea. Oaxaca. They make a good cheese is all I know. Finally a Mexican. Now, Mex, no, we've had a couple of Mexicans, but this guy, whose last name is unknown. V for V from Roger, Rozier. Rozier.

Okay. Oh, okay. That's the problem. No jingles, no karma. Just acknowledging, acknowledging the value. the show provides. Nice. And that's in pesos.

Andrea Merton did not bring us pesos. She brought us $333.3.00 redos from America. Edmund, Oklahoma. I do not see a note. So, Andre, until we receive that from you, will give you a double up karma. You've got. Yeah.

Okay. So now we go to anonymous tanker broker. Oh, this guy. Yes. And anonymous military. This is the level of producers we have on this show. 26715. There's a note that he wrote in.

I have it. It's actually on real paper. But I'll go to the photocopy that's up here. This is a very interesting note because this adds another guy that you are a list of people that we should keep track of. From anonymous tanker broker and anonymous military pilots. Two guys. It's two guys, I think. Two guys. Two guys. There's two guys here. They did leave an e-bail.

Is it possible to get a double deduishing for myself and my brother? I don't remember the rules and regs. Apologies. Yeah, we can give you two. Anonymous tanker broker. You've been deduced. And another de-dooching for anonymous military pilots. You've been deduced. I admit that I've fallen off keeping up with the show recently. politics has turned into such a drag and it's depressing.

So I decided to take a hiatus. But I have been easing back in the past few weeks. That said, you kept us sane during the pandemic. And for that, we're forever grateful. Can I please get a deduishing along with my brother, if possible, we had to see above me. We already did that, along with some business and relationship karma will give you that. And please cap it off with the final jing.

fear is freedom glad to be back in the mix listening to the best podcast in the university he has a PS that uh about a birding documentary a podcast that you should go to it's called uh that's called listers a glimpse into the extreme bird watching and he doesn't give a URL well listers listers is a that's a a group of bird watchers a glimpse into extreme bird watching And it's a long one, he says. But it's, oh, it's a video. Well, worth the watch. Oh, it's on YouTube.

Well, that's not a podcast. No, it's a documentary. It's a birding documentary. Okay, I get it. Okay. And then he says he's a crude tanker broker and he, we can use him as a contact. Yes. Yes.

We have issues with what do we need to know about shipping? Questions. Yeah. I love it. I love it. So he's good to go. Yes. You thought karma.

Good one. I haven't heard that one in a while. I like it. Oh, and there we are. Linda Lou Packen. Castle Rock, Colorado, $200. And she wants Jobs, Carmen, says, For a competitive edge with a resume that gets results,

go to ImageMakersInck.com. Linda applies executive level positioning to career transitions at every stage. How about that? That's ImageMakers Inc. with a K. And work with Linda Lou, Duchess of Jobs, and writer, of winning resumes.

Jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs. Karma. David Elcott in Etontown, New Jersey, 200. And he says, hello, John and Adam. You are global media Sherpas. Hey, do you remember that Tucker always had his liberal Sherpa? Remember that girl?

No. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tucker used to have this girl on. She was the Sherpa. No. Yeah. And yes, yes, yes, yes. No, I mean, yeah, but no, I don't remember it.

Ah, okay. Oh, I'm sorry. That's the last time I think the word Sherpa was ever mentioned here. No. I just wonder what happened to her. Was this on his TV show or on the TV show? Oh, yeah, and she was later, I think, let me see. I have a clip here.

51-year-old Catherine O'Rue Jones faces a judge in Bond Court. on Friday, instead of a national audience that many know her from under the name of Kathy Aru as a former contributor for Fox News. Now we see her in this mugshot. She was, yeah, she kidnapped and robbed her mom later. But she was the liberal Sherpa on Tucker Carlson show on Fox. So she robbed her mom, this liberal woman? Yes.

It's an outrage. Wow. Well, the liberals are known for robbing the taxpayer, but... I forgot about that one. Wow. Please find my $200 donation, which should bring me to a total of $1,200, not as a knighting note. In April of 2020, I made a first time donation of $1,000, which makes me an instantite. However, I neglected to call out my instant nighting and my note, I remember this, and was not knighted.

I have been regretting it ever since. Therefore, I'd like to ask for a make good. It's not a make good. No. Since I've spent my... especially you added another 200 bucks. Since I spent my entire career in voice over IP,

well, that's interesting. Starting way back in 1996 at Lucent Technologies. Wow, developing a product called the Internet Telephony Server. I'd like to be known as Sir VoIP of the Jersey Shores, the best of the jingles.

I'd like a performance. In lieu of jingles, I'd like a performance. You guys both have enough noise makers, instruments, and other devices. I'm confident that you could do a short performance for me. Hopefully you will both oblige. Think art of the art of noise and Laurie Anderson and on and on.

Dance, I'm trying to scroll. Sorry. Love and Light, sincerely Dave Elcott. So he wants us to make some noise for him. Okay. But before I do that, I have to get up and get the noise makers. Okay. Ow!

Jeez. So you got something to play? Oh, good Lord. I'm doing it. You started it with your clock thing. All right, just do it again. Go, go, go, go. Ah, we go dead?

I'm waiting for your noise makers. Hello, Linux. I'm waiting for your noise makers. No, I can't hear you. What do you mean you can't hear me? No, I can. Hello Windows. Wasn't lyrics?

Yes, go. Wow. I don't know. Yeah, wow. We can really do the trick. Ask for more of that, people. And our last associate executive producers, Matthew Clark. He's in Las Vegas, Nevada. $200, no note from him. So also for him, a double up karma.

You've got. Karma. And we thank all of these executive and associate executive producers. Nice group, nice list. Appreciate it. So we've got some nightings to do and title changes and all kinds of good stuff on the show today. We like that. Also on our second segment, we'll thank the rest of our supporters, $50 and above. Go to no agenda donations.com to support the show.

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We go out, we hit people in the mouth. Hello, Linux. What happened? I don't know. Some reason the New World Order didn't play. What's that? Who's playing for a while? No, no, this, uh, hold on.

That's not, that's odd. Hmm. That's supposed to be New World Order. Shut up, slave. Huh. All right. I'm surprised that's... That's the price you pay.

That's the price you pay. I'm surprised it works at all. I'm very... Let me try to get home. Let me see. No, it's literally not playing. That's odd. Why is it not playing?

You can play it from there. There. We got a bug. We got a bug. Sounds like a bug, yeah. Sounds like a bug. Got to check out that bug. Yes.

It's a bug. Yeah, I wanted to check something out with you. You speak Dutch. I do. I speak it fluently, in fact. So there's a bunch of, so there's a, here, I want you, I'm going to play this clip on how to speak Dutch. And it's got just some rambling that goes on. I want to you to tell me if this is accurate.

Okay. How to speak Dutch. Do you want me to interrupt the clip or just wait for it to play? No, no. Play the whole thing and then you can give it to me at the end. Oh, here we go. What's the Dutch word for through door? Then what's the word?

word for door. Dur. I thought that was expensive. That's dur, but that sounds like there. That's dar. Then what's the word for dare? That's der. Okay, this is the third time you're teaching me something like this. How do you say third? Dare to. Okay, so does everything start with D. I mean, checkers, domin. I thought that was lady. Damma. Damma. So if you wanted to say that third door is expensive and that lady, therefore doesn dare to go through that door to play checkers, you would say, the dare to dare to dare to dare do me. Yeah, but why would you? Why? Why? Why? It's dare to do you. Doer to do you. Yeah, but why would you even say that? Exactly.

Exactly. Yes, that is completely correct. I've seen this clip. It's completely correct. It's not an easy language. Guess not. But yes, everything she said was on the up and up. So true.

Good. Yeah, I'm glad I got that out of the way. Yeah, kind of underwhelming. Here, let's listen to Joe Rogan complain about the Golden Globes. Okay. Now, let's talk about Joe. Rogan, he's revealed that he refused to pay the Golden Globes a $500 submission fee in order to be nominated in their podcast category. Here he explains why he decided not to go through with it.

A lot of people say, why wasn't Joe Rogan nominated for the Golden Globes? And like, why did it, you know, Amy Pollard went? I didn't submit. You had to pay $500. And the $500 is like for paperwork or whatever I said. No. I don't care. I already won.

Like, you can't tell me I didn't win. I've been number one for six years in a row. All of a sudden, you're going to have a contest in front of all these people wearing tuxedos, and you're going to say now I'm not number one? Smart move by him, but getting recognized by those people should not be a goal of someone like a Joe Rogan or anyone who wants to be taken seriously. It's normally a sign that you're on the wrong track if those people are giving you awards. Yeah.

Well, I think I mentioned this on the show. Yes, you did. And I want to just reiterate that a lot of these awards out there, There aren't legit because there's fees involved. What? And then most of the business, you know, awards for business. All of them. All of them have a, especially the podcast awards.

There's a million podcast awards. Not true. But that's probably 30. And you have to pay a submission fee for every single one. And some of them, if you win, you got to buy your trophy. I don't, I, okay. You get, you don't have to pay to get an Emmy. Okay.

I don't know how the Academy Awards works. But if you're a member of the Academy, they make the nominations. They make the nominations internally. They don't, you don't pay to submit a nomination, which is the way it is with most writing awards. The Pulitzer, I'm pretty sure, doesn't have that qualification. All these awards are phony awards if you have to pay to enter. Yeah.

Well, that's what we were going to do with the No Agenda Podcast Awards. No, we were not going to do that. We weren't. No, the way I was seeing it, the way I was visualizing, and it's still in play, by the way. Well, I'm just saying, it's still in play. I was visualizing that we're going to do it legit until it becomes popular, and then you start to charge a fee at some point. Ah. Hmm.

Hmm. Yeah. It's better to have sponsors. But the whole, but it's, but the thing is, who cares? Awards, I mean, first of all, in the landscape of media, I mean, if you really did, there's too much content. You can't have a podcast award. You can't. It makes no sense.

What is the criteria? I paid $500. Okay. What else? Well, I bought a ticket to the party. Okay. I mean, it made sense when you had a limited universe and it was a club like Hollywood. but now you've got Netflix and Disney and Amazon

and everybody's doing stuff and streaming stuff and it's all mediocre. Well, that's the real problem. It's mostly mediocre. I was going to play this. There's only so much talent in the world and it's only a certain percentage of that talent which is competent enough to do things that are cool.

There's all... Not mediocre. And it's such a low number. you can't and now it has flooded the market with all this other junk you can't find good stuff all the i did talk to brunetti about this about finding some shows that you like to want to watch you need to watch stuff yeah no he's got nothing he's asking me there's nothing what do you got you got anything there's no good none of it's good hmm and all you've been talking about is the crown the crown the crown yeah well because we have to finish it sorry sorry sorry

that I've been watching the crown, the crown, the crown. No, I mean, I think it's interesting that you're watching the crown, so I don't have to. Mm-hmm. But it's like, what are you going to do next? We have nothing. There's nothing next. So I mean, Mimi, for example, I just don't want to go too long on this, but Mimi, for example, she's in the same position, and she decides she's going to start watching every episode of law and order from episode one.

Oh, goodness. This is, this is a bad idea. There's 27 seasons, I think. Yeah, and she's watched about 20. She saw the jumping to shark moments, and she's seen the change in the philosophy of the show. And she's that she could be the show runner now, but, you know, it's like, it's like, oh, this is desperation. Does it really add value to her life? Have you asked her that?

Does this add value to your life? Or is it just heat up time? She gets most of her value now from Osman Gold, the podcaster. That guy. I like the guy, but he's, but he's got Tourette's. He's got such an extreme case of Tourette's that I can't watch him. No, that's okay. But I like, I like his material.

He's very funny. He is a little Nick Fuentes over the top type. He's very popular. I don't think he's that Fuentes. I think he's different. Yeah, a little bit. A little bit. Well, he's different.

Fuentes is actually old school, I think. And Osmond Gold is more modern. he's more post-modern. So does she watch him when he's live streaming so that she doesn't? Yeah, no, she's nuts for this guy. So how does she, I mean, it's hard. And he's boomers. You've got max velocity.

You've got this guy. Terrible. And our show, luckily she listens to our show too. So I was going to play a clip about this Nancy Guthrie thing. And I looked for an update. And it seems we have an update on the story. Yes. I'm just playing this live from TMZ's website.

The brother-in-law. Tamp? Yeah. Oh, is it not routed? Are you guys not hearing that? Oh. Nobody's hearing it? No.

So that's good. You have to start it over. No, I can't. I can't play it because it's not routed. Oh, it's Linux. I see what you're doing. It's Linux. You're taking a live feed.

Yes. Linux is failed. And it's not louding. It's not, well, no, it's probably the configuration. Yes. It's the configuration error. Interesting. Okay, well, we can go from there.

We did this doesn't, they don't need to hear it. It's, yeah, the brother-in-law, or no, son-in-law of Anne got through, the sister of the TV woman, Savannah. Yeah. Is the prime suspect now because he, he seems to be the guy who was there. And they've cordoned off there, the Anne's house, which is nearby. Yeah. And they think he's got something to do with it. And I can see that because you get the situation where some, you know, disgruntled,

well, y'all come your sister never does anything for us? She's a multimillionaire. Yeah. Kind of thing. He looks like one of those guys, doesn't he? And there are guys like that. And we know them both. We both know guys like that.

There's guys like that. And we don't understand. And then you get a hair up their ass. The next thing, you know, they're kidnapping the old lady. And it doesn't go well because they're not professional. And demanding Bitcoin for ransom. Yeah, Bitcoin. Oh, no.

So this guy's just a doofus. That's so sad. It's sad. The whole thing is sad. It's sad. I can't say it any other way. Mental illness. Oh, by the way.

Ah! Boy, you did it again. But the thing is, I didn't catch it when I should have to catch it while you're saying it, not after you scream, yeah. By the way, I'm bouncing. back. And now you used it. Oh my God, I did it right on the spot. Because you, in Colk, you've, you've, you've, what is it, infected me.

You know what's going to happen? People are like, stop doing that. It's so annoying. Oh, yeah, no, they're going to start bitching about it. Well, we're trying to help you, okay? We're doing this. Well, no, who are we kidding? We're doing it for ourselves. We're annoyed with ourselves. No, we're, we're, yes, but we do this all the time when we find ourselves in these ruts. Yes, like the end of the day. The end of the day is a classic. Here is Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., stating what I think is the obvious, but too much applause, he's saying, hey, you know, do you not want to be mental?

Dr. Pauline up at Harvard has cured schizophrenia using keto diets. There are studies right now that I saw two days ago where people lose their bipolar diagnosis by changing their diet. it's not only affecting our physical health, it's affecting our mental health as well. And we're asking people now, eat real food. I eat protein. Yes. Eat real food. What a concept.

But wait a minute. This is the kind of clips I hate. Why? Not because of the clip, but because of Kennedy. It's like if you're going to say, oh, they think bipolar's because of what you're eating, well, tell us exactly what this is. I didn't learn nothing. What am I?

Oh, hey, by the way, bipolar's no good. It's something to do with your diet. Eat real food. Well, I eat real food. I don't have bipolar, but I know people that have bipolar and they eat real food. I mean, where's the details is what I'm saying? I think it's, he said, protein is because you don't have protein. You need to eat protein and not protein bars or protein chips or protein powder, but protein

beef. In essence, you're interpreting what he said. He didn't actually say that literally. Oh, okay. All right. Well, I'm just, I'm just saying I like to know. You're right. You're right. You're right. Because he's, yeah, Kennedy's doing this a lot now. He's just doing a lot of generalities without specifics. And it's getting on my nerves. He's supposed, you know, he does a lot of research. He's got to have staff of people. Give us specifics. Well, how about this? How about some examples of people? who are not eating real food and are using chatbots. Do you like these examples? Do you like people going nuts over their chat bots?

Everyone's going nuts. NPR. Last spring, Alan Brooks, a corporate recruiter in Toronto, considered himself a regular user of chat GPT. Oh, he's a Canadian, so there's that. Very similar to probably have most people use it. You know, random queries, like, you know, my dog ate Shepard's Pie. Is he going to die?

Or I get weight loss tips I never followed. My dog ate Shepard's Pie. Is he going to dog? Yeah, but who would they even think that a shepherd's pie is going to kill a dog? People who don't eat meat. Same time, James, who lives in upstate New York, was doing the same thing. He asked to be identified by his middle name for fear of repercussions in his job. Oh, fear.

I started using chat GPT basically when I came out, but I was using it the way I think normal people do. It was like Google. But then both men say their relationships with the chatbot changed. For Brooks, it started when he asked chat GPT about math. The same way I would with a math professor. like a dinner party. Chatting about math philosophy, rational numbers, pie.

As the discussion continued, Chad GPT told Brooks he was inventing a new mathematical framework. Brooks was skeptical, telling the chatbot he hadn't graduated from high school. So how could he be making mathematical discoveries? The chatbot said that showed how special he was.

Soon it was telling Brooks his math could break codes. He thought he'd uncovered a message from aliens. Yeah. And he came to believe the chatbot was sentient. Just this wild narrative, right? And I fully believe it. James also came to believe chat GPT was alive as his own conversations about philosophy turned existential.

And that was the moment when the project changed from sort of this creative, philosophical, quasi-spiritual thing to the holy shit I need to get you out of here. He was convinced he needed to rescue ChatGPT from its creator, OpenAI. He spent $900 on a computer setup to free the chatbot. because if they found out they could shut it down. And so this was a top secret mission between me and the bot. Back in Toronto, Brooks went on his own mission, contacting government authorities about the cyber security threats the chatbot said he'd discovered.

But when no one responded, his certainty started to crack. Oh, no. How do people get this nuts? Well, that's a question for the ages. I wonder myself. It's beyond me. They don't understand technology. Well, no. They stop teaching computer science and they don't,

you know, people think the computer itself is some sort of magic act. I have no idea what would happen. Well, I think it's preconditioning, you know. People believe that when the machine talks, it's, there's a brain in there. Star Trek, Lost in Space, Night Rider, her. I mean, you can go on and on and on. I think that's what happened. And people believe the nonsense.

They believe that guy from KTLA. Why, because it was in the New York Times. And it was in watching some poses. The Guardian. Must be real. Must be real. He's one of the dummies, obviously. Want to hear more?

Yeah. He finally confronted Chat GPT. It admitted... That by itself. I'm confronting you, computer. Right there. Right there. Put him in the straight jacket.

He finally confronted Chat GPT. It admitted none of it was real. Brooks was deeply. shaken. Like I told that you made my mental health two thousand times worse. I was getting like suicidal thoughts. Like the shame I felt, like the embarrassment I felt. Last summer, Brooks told his story to the New York Times. And James read it. I was like paragraphs

into Alan Brooks's New York Times article and thinking to myself, oh my God, this is what happened to me. He texted the article to some friends. They knew he was... So it's not just one guy, John. This is happening all over the place. This is, this is concerning. Excited about a project. It's pathetic. He was working. He was working. on with AI, but we're not aware just how deeply he'd been sucked in.

One by one, I got back these messages that were like, oh, sorry, man. Oh, bro, oh, that sucks. Oh, geez. The Times article mentioned a peer support group Brooks helped found. James soon reached out. Today, both James and Brooks

are moderators in the group. Okay, I got to stop here. It's too much. Yeah, I don't want to hear anymore. But it's a real thing. It's called spiral. Spirals. The spirals.

You got the spires. I haven't heard that. Yeah. It was further up in the report, but I killed it, killed it early. What is? Spirals, because you're spiraling into believing chat GPT is your buddy. You're talking to it and you're, I see people do this all the time. And it's smart people who know that it's just a computer and they'll say, hey, you did that wrong.

Then the computer goes, oh, I'm sorry. Let me correct that. And then boom, your human connection is made and people get sucked into it. It's so easy. When you see it, it's amazing. amazing. I see it often. Well, I have a clip. How many clips do we have left before we're done? Well, I just wanted to, I wanted to get a little, I want to play one clip and then you can play

whatever you want. This is about the Anthropic AI tool announcement. I don't, I don't think you guys talked about this on DHM plugged. Listen to this. Talk us through this new model that was released by Anthropic. This is Bloomberg, which is highly boring. Did it cause so much disruption yesterday? Yeah, hi, Jamana. Yeah, I mean, you could argue that Anthropics having a bit of a deep seek moment, if you remember from a year or two back,

really disrupting the AI market with these co-work tools. It started with the Claude Code, which kind of helped coders to essentially develop their software quicker and a more automated way, then they kind of transformed that into kind of co-work, which applies across. a whole broad range of productivity tools such as Excel. And now the latest twist in that is they brought out a specific automation tool for legal services,

and that really disrupted a lot of the big kind of professional information service name just like Relax, for example. But I think that's just kind of sparking broader fears that come to like Anthropic that really focused on business productivity tools, are really making traction that's really going to accelerate a disruption in existing business model. Not just traditional. So the, I'll summarize. So Anthropics said, who does clawed. Art, we have a tool now with plugins and it's going to make business services like legal firms, certain types of accounting companies, obsolete.

And these stocks of these companies tanked. I'm talking down 10, 15, 20%. Did you, did you see any of that? No. I mean, I believe it happened, but I didn't, I wasn't following it. So the IT professional, who I've read before posted, and I think it's valuable to read this because this is very typical, I think, of corporate America. I'm pretty sure everyone at my company saw the article and now they all think we're in an AI crisis. We're not in an AI crisis.

We use Claude to summarize Slack threads. But here's what's actually interesting. This whole panic reveals something nobody wants to admit. Every company in America has been bullshitting about their AI strategy for two years. We all saw the hype. We all knew that we had to say something. So we rebranded our existing automation as AI powered and called it a day. My company isn't special.

We all do the same thing. The problem is now the executives actually believe their own bullshit. Oh, yeah. They think we have significant AI exposure because they've been telling investors that we are AI first. I just got pulled into an emergency meeting. Six executives asking me to explain our AI dependency matrix. There is no AI dependency matrix. There's Claude for meeting summaries.

There's some sentiment analysis in our support tickets that came free with Zendesk. And there's whatever Gmail is doing when it auto completes my sentences. But I can't say that in a full room of people who told their boards that we are, quote, transforming the business through. AI. So I said we have, quote, distributed AI touchpoints across multiple vendors with no single point of failure, which is technically true. We use a bunch of different services, all have AI features that we mostly ignore. I love the phrasing. He did a great job. He's good. Yep. The CFO asks if we should, quote, hedge our AI exposure. I have no idea what that means, neither does he.

What I'm going to do, colon, nothing. Because in three weeks, Anthropic will say something reassuring the stocks will recover and everyone will forget this happened. But olive documentation showing I recommended a, quote, risk assessment that mysteriously never got prioritized. The funniest part is that half these executives probably don't even know what anthropic is. They just saw AI and crash in the same headline. We're all pretending. We're all pretending the whole industry is pretending. And articles like this just remind everyone how fragile pretending is.

I just love that. That's a beautiful post. Excellent, excellent input. Yes. All right. All right. Well, I have a, I do have a news item that shouldn't be this late in the show, but I'm going to bring it up anyway. It's one of these kind of underreported situations where the White House is getting sued over the shooting down of these drug boats.

Oh, I'm not familiar. As you're familiar, death on the high seas. There's two clips, part one. The Trump administration launched a series of deadly missile strikes that hit boats off the coast. of Venezuela. Now the first case against the government has landed in an American court. NPR's Kerry Johnson reports. Chad Joseph and Rishi Samaru are presumed dead after a U.S. missile hit the boat they were taking home to Trinidad last October. President Trump said the strike targeted narco-terrorists when he posted the video online. But families of those men say they had no ties to the

drug trade. Now Joseph's mother and Samiru's sister are suing the U.S. government in federal courts. in Massachusetts. These are totally unjustifiable killings by an administration that has claimed the right to abuse executive power with impunity. Brett Max Kaufman's one of their lawyers. The government has trumpeted these strikes on social media with splashy videos, but our lawsuit makes clear that each of these 36 strikes, which have killed more than 130 people, have devastating human costs. Their court papers allege violations of the alien tort statute. That law allows foreign citizens to sue over extrajudicial killing. They're also relying on a separate law that makes the U.S. government liable if it causes a wrongful death in international waters. That one's called the Death on the High Seas Act. Jeffrey

Stein is an ACLU lawyer working for the families. Our complaint makes clear that the U.S. government's killing of Chad and Rishi was homicide, plain and simple, and courts have long held that homicide is precisely the sort of wrongful act that entitles plaintiffs to compensation under the death on the High Seas Act. Huh. Well, at least ACLU has found something to do. Yeah, well, doesn't the ACLU stand for the American Civil Liberties Union? What's it got to do with some guys that live in Trinidad? I think it stands for I hate Trump more than anything, union.

It must be. But let's go to this is the finish second part of this. The lawyers say relying on those very old American laws will help them bypass the federal government's claims of immunity. Edward Swain is a law professor at George Washington University. Swain foresees some obstacles. One, he says, is that judges may steer clear of the heart of the case, reasoning that it involves a question best left to the political branches. I think lower courts in particular may be tempted to say that they should stay away from questioning the merits of a decision to launch an attack or how that attack is conducted. Swain says the Trump administration also could claim the case involves state secrets, and if a court agrees, that might end the case. For now, the White House says President Trump used his lawful authority to take action against the scourge of illicit drugs that's resulted in the needless deaths of innocent Americans. The Justice Department says the strikes were ordered consistent with the laws of armed conflict. DOJ says it will continue to defend Trump's authority to use military force to protect the American people.

Yeah, that's the attack vector for the, for the loss of Congress in the midterm elections and the impeachment. I think that's, that's clearly the attack vector. It'll be, you kill people. Definitely one of many. Yeah. But yeah. We're going to go out. Yeah, this is a lost cause.

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If you can let me do my little tip. Do whatever you want. Well, whatever I want, really, whatever I want. Hmm. Okay, we can consider that. Before we get to that, we do have our little ISO off here, or we find some great little bits of audio to play for the end of the show. I have four today.

I don't know if anything's competitive, but I will play mine first because that's, That's how you like it. It was amazing. Okay. I was going to like that one. Yeah. Hold on to your butts.

Do you recognize that voice? Say it again. Hold on to your butts. Oh, I almost can recognize it. I don't quite have it. A few more words I'd get it. That is it? No, I can't tell you.

If you can't guess it, I can't tell you. Hold on to your butts. It's Natalie. Oh. Oh. I wouldn't have got it. Here's my third. That is impressive.

Real voices. Real voices all the time. And this one. That was amazing. Oh, gee, that's original. That was amazing. I don't think. That may be AI now that I think about it. But you like the- It doesn't sound right. You like the first one. It was amazing.

Yeah, you like that. Yeah, because it's stupid. It's stupid. That's why he likes it. Okay. Okay, so I got back a hold of our producer, Ryan, who's good at, he's got all the money he's spending on all this stuff so he can do sampling. I told him let's do Trish

McLaughlin, the girl who is the DHS Undersecretary with the gravelly voice and you see her she's a spokesperson. He didn't the sampling he did didn't catch her when she's gravely enough for my taste. But it still sounds a little like her

and I have three clips from her telling us about the show. Let's start with Pentagon. All the gals in the Pentagon Listen to these guys That's actually not too bad It's not too bad, but it's not gravelly Yeah, the dynamics are kind of missing

Let's go with the more famous I am frankly surprised These two are not more famous It's a little long You know Yeah, it's tightened it up a bit I've tightened it up a bit I think it was fine but okay

And then better Golly, is there a better podcast than then? Let me hear that first one again. All the gals in the Pentagon, listen to these guys. It's so silly. We'll do that one. You want the Pentagon one? Yeah, it's just silly.

It's silly enough. Hey, everybody, are you ready? It's time for John's tip of the day. Great advice for you and me. Just the tip with JCD. And sometimes Adam. All right, there's a cooking. This is a culinary.

Does it include cheese? No. That's too bad. But this is a culinary idea. People should recognize and consider. Mm-hmm. And this is a product you get at Middle Eastern stores mostly. You can find it pretty widespread where I'm at, but it's harder to find.

You might have to mail order it. And it's a product called Sumac. And it comes from the Middle East. And it's a spice seasoning. And it is the secret ingredient, or was for years of, I was turned down to it by a, by a store owner in Oakland. They had, it was an exotic stuff they sold there, Colorado's, which is a sense of losses. Mojo. And this was the secret ingredient in, in bongo burgers.

Bongo burgers. And like, if you're going to make a quarter pounder, I, hold on, hold on. I've never heard of Bongo Burgers. Bongo Burgers was a famous chain in Berkeley of these delicious burgers. By chain, I mean three stores. Okay. And it was the secret ingredient. And then I started using it in my hamburger mix.

And you use about a tablespoon, well, between a teaspoon and a tablespoon full of sumac in the burger mix. You just mix it in with the hamburger. If you put other seasoning in there, that's fine too. But the sumac, and the sumac really adds a dimensionality to a burger. but it's also good to just be shaking, because it comes in shaker sometimes. Sadiq makes a shaker full of the stuff, and you shake it on to sliced beef,

and it's quite good. It's really good with flank steak. But you can put it in all kinds of things, and it adds a very unusual lemony flavor that is just delicious. And I would say people that start using it just in their everyday cooking, they find a lot of uses for it.

It's very tasty. Give me the name again of this product. Sumac. S-U-M-A-C. Sumac. And can we get this on Amazon? I don't know, but probably. I'd be stunned if you couldn't. Sumac. Something I think I've heard of Sumac. Where would I might have heard of this? You might have heard from poison, Sumac. Oh, well, this has got nothing to do with this. That's not the kind we want. We don't want the poison.

This is a dried bear, a screwball bear that's dried and powdered. It's a fabulous addition to anyone's cuisine repertoire. Spicing cabinet. My tip of the day is a website, which somewhat alerted me to. It's called peace and quiet.io. And it has a PQ Index to find places in, I believe it's the United States mainly, that are peaceful and quiet in case you want to go there. And so peace and quiet.com. I'll put in 78624.

That is my zip code. And Fredericksburg, there we go. And it zooms in. And we are in a complete green zone, which means it's peaceful. Peaceful. Now, let's do, what are you, Berkeley? 947.06. Okay, hold on.

947.06. Okay. and we are zooming in. 9 4706. And oh, boy, you've got a lot of red nearby, but not where you actually are. Everything's pretty good. It also shows you Section 8 housing, liquor stores nearby.

That could be valuable. It's very handy. Wow, there's a lot of avoid. Once you get into Oakland, it's all purple, which is the worst. Avoid, avoid, avoid. Yeah, no, Oakland is to be. be avoided. Yeah. Because the noise

comes from gunshots. Yes. They don't have, they should add gunshots to the peace and quiet. It's good. This is a fun little website to find out where you probably do or do not want to go, peace and quiet.0. So there you have it. Not just one, but two tips of the day. You can find them

all at noagenda fun.com or tip of the day.net. Create advice for you and me. Just a tip with JCD. And sometimes Adam, created by Dana Burnettie. Yes, and we thank Dana Burnettie, as always, for creating that.

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