No Agenda - 1850 - "Error Bars"

Episode Date: March 12, 2026

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It goes up and it goes up and it goes up and it goes up. Adam Curry, John C. DeVorey. It's Thursday, March 12th, 2026. This is your award-winning Gibbonation Media Assassination Episode 1850. This is no agenda. Releasing the oil and broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas Hill country here in FEMA region number six. In the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry. And this is Mimi Smith DeVorek coming to you from the Pacific Northwest, where weathermen

try to give us hope by saying there's chance of sunbreaks in the morning. Hey, these weathermen you're looking at, they are a bunch of fake news. Well, that's why you listen to Max Velocity. No, Max Velocity was wrong too. I mean, everybody's like, you better shelter in place, Curry, it's coming your way. You're going to die. They tried to get me with the weather machine, but failed. The entire storm went around Fredericksburg.

We had lots of thunder, a little bit of rain, but nothing else. It was fantastic. And so Max Velocity was wrong. Well, he never talks about my part of the world. It's still raining. No one cares. Well, no. And, of course, no one cares about Missouri.

There are people missing. And it's a mess. And it hasn't been, I haven't seen it on the news at all. Not for a second. News? What's news? Well, there's that. There's that.

So right off the bat, we have a clip from John. Ah, now, you want to give us an update first, or we want to go straight into the clip? Go straight to the clip. Hey, this is John in the hospital. I wanted to say, hello there, all the well-wishers and the No Agenda show. And I will be giving a food report after I get. I don't want to give it now because, you know, who knows what they'll do. But it can't be worse than spitting in the food.

So, anyway, I hope to be getting back online within the next week. And thanks for your support. You know, he sounds almost like the old John, but there's, I detect something new in his voice. Well, that's because he's tired. That was at the end of the day. He's, they're making him, he's in rehab, the rehab part of the hospital. So they're making him get up and walk around and, you know, sit up and sit down and, you know, fight, fight, fight.

So, you know, Jay recorded this in the evening. So he's a little tired. In the morning, he actually doesn't have. Much of a voice? No, in the morning he sounds great. But towards the evening, he starts getting a little sluggish. And, you know, he's always optimistic. So there's that.

So we'll see. Do you think that he can actually be back? He said back online. Does that mean back on the mic, back on air within a week? Does he really think he can do that? You know, maybe. We'll have to play it by ear and figure out of how to do this. Because, yeah, where he's going to have to ease back into it.

He's not 100% yet, that's for sure. Well, no. How's his mobility? How's his walking? How's his? Well, Jay and Brennan heard the occupational therapist goes, slow down, slow down as he was trailing behind him on the ward. Oh, good. Yeah, he's doing great.

Yeah, I talked to him. When did I talk to him? Monday, I think, or Tuesday? Yeah. And he sounded really good. I was just like, you know, I said, does it hurt? He says, yes, when he laughs, when he coughs. Okay.

Got it. But, yeah, he sounded uncharacteristically grateful. Does that make any sense? He's like, hey, thanks for calling. Because Tina said, you know, can you talk to him? I said, what are we going to say? Like, we don't talk ever. Like, we only talk on the show.

I said, I don't need to talk to him. And then I heard Horowitz talk to him. Dana Brunetti talked to him. Like, well, I should talk to him. I should say something. He's using his cell phone. Wow. For what? For surfing the web? Oh, just to call. Oh, no, that too. No, he's probably, for all I know, he's listening to the show. Hmm. Hmm. But yeah, you know, it's very encouraging. I can finally exhale and relax a little bit. So.

Yeah, I know we're happy to hear that. It's looking here. I've gone, so of course, still a lot of emails coming in and everyone's very concerned. There was something you said on, on the last show. What was that? Are you okay? A 16-year-old basset hound who just yawned. Wait a minute. How many dogs do you have?

We got moose locked up in your bedroom. Now you've got a basset hound. Is that the one that used to live with John or is this a different one? Different one. And this is, it's her sister, actually. The one that used to live with John, this is her sister.

I have four dogs. Okay. Which is an all-time low for me. So here's the note that someone sent. When you asked about John's Medicare, Mimi said it only covers 60%. It freaked me out. I'm retiring next year. Everything I read says it covers 80% plus coverage is available for the remaining 20%.

Was Mimi just mistaken? Maybe. I was going by what a hospital person told me. I have no idea. I've heard all kinds of varying numbers. We didn't get much of the extended coverage that you can opt for because we pay an awful lot for Medicare, just the part A and B as it is.

So for whatever reason, you know, I mean, it's fine. Well, you know, it's fine. I'll have to work more. Have you seen? You should start a podcast. You have a podcast studio, I hear. I do, yeah. Everybody wants you and Tina to do a show now all of a sudden.

I was like, okay, fine, fine. Do you know what the hospital bill is yet, if you don't mind me asking? No, no, nobody will tell me that at all. Because I'm always asking questions like, okay, it's going into rehab for a week. How much does that cost? And they all go, uh, it's above our pay. It's above our pay grade. I've heard that three times now.

So we'll see. So looking at the quad screen right now, we have, shooting at a synagogue in Michigan. Everybody is freaked out about Islam. Islam is taking over Texas. And now we have the big scare in California. I'm going to ramp it up for you here. A federal Joint Terrorism Task Force has warned California law enforcement agencies

that the Iran war could lead to a surprise drone attack somewhere in the state of California. And while the warning is being taken seriously, there is no credible threat at this time. Mary Beth Big Day joins us live from the KTLA News Center with more details on this developing news. M.B. Mike and Chair, while the FBI isn't commenting, both Governor Newsom and Mayor Bass confirm they're aware of the FBI alert that was sent out last month as tensions were heating up between the U.S. and Iran. The alert warns that Iran may conduct a surprise drone attack against targets in California if the U.S. carries out strikes against Iran. Now, of course, the Babylon B already posting, thank you, Sir Bemrose, that Iran says they've canceled

to the planned California attack after seeing that Gavin Newsom already destroyed it. That makes total sense. They did ask the president about this on Air Force One. The President Trump's bulletin that some law enforcement put out about about. a possible Iran revenge plot in California where there would be some kind of a boat offshore launching drones towards the... It's being investigated, but you have a lot of things happening, and all we can do is take them as they come. The war itself is being prosecuted as well as anybody has ever seen. And this is other countries telling me, too. Big countries, powerful countries. They said they've never seen anything like it.

And they also agree with what I'm doing. They say it's an evil. country and it's been for 47 years that way. And if they try to hit us back, have you been briefed about how many Iran's sleeper cells there could be inside the U.S. right now? I have been and a lot of people came in through Biden with this stupid open border, but we know where most of them are. We've got our eye on all of them, I think. They came in through the open border policies of Sleepy Joe Biden. One of the worst. the worst president in the history of our country. And we've got to rise on all of them.

But the war itself is being prosecuted at a level that nobody's seen before. It's pretty amazing to watch. So being a media deconstructionist, I'm like, okay, where's this coming from? Where's the report from? Who said this? What is going on? I noticed. Yes.

Yes. Well, actually, go ahead. Okay. We're going to keep. You're supposed to? We're going to keep doing this until we. Yeah, until we get it. Learn each other's styles.

You're supposed to say, go ahead, Kara. That is the, that is the, go ahead, Kara. I noticed a lot of these reports came from ABC. And so I go looking at ABC and, well, listen to this report. Good afternoon. I can tell you, we just learned that the FBI reportedly warned California police about that unconfirmed intelligence report involving a possible drone strike by Iran off the West Coast. That's according to ABC News. It's reports like that one, which is exactly why we see

some barricades outside fencing here. We know that by Sunday there will be hundreds of police officers deployed here to the Dolby Theater along with hundreds of federal homeland security and FBI personnel. But important to note, authorities emphasize there is no confirmed specific threat tied to the Oscars right now. But they say heightened vigilance is necessary given the global tensions created by the conflict with Iran. Authorities say an encoded shortwave radio message believed to have originated in Iran was detected shortly after the reported killing of the country's supreme leader on February 28th. Investigators say the number sequence resembled signals historically used to communicate with covert operatives and may have been intended for sleeper cells.

Though official stress, there is no confirmed threat tied to it right now. ABC News, as we just said, reporting the FBI recently warned California law enforcement about intelligence suggesting Iran may have considered launching drone attacks from a vessel off the U.S. West Coast if American strikes occurred. Officials say the report included no details on timing, targets, or perpetrators, and remains unconfirmed. Oh, so it's unconfirmed. It's an old report and the Oscars are this Sunday on ABC. Absolutely. But so when I first heard about the. cryptic messages. I started looking around and I occasionally go to some of the, I think they're wonks technically, who are really into shortwave. Now, when I was a kid, I had a shortwave radio, so I know what they're talking about. Most people don't. So I do have a really good from

Ringway Manchester and introduction to the shortwave numbers, what it means. So that's, it says shortwave introduction. Well, it's been, hold on, shortwave introduction. Yes, I got it, I got it. The signal in question is a number station. For those who don't know, they're mainly groups of numbers, sometimes letters, encrypted by means of a one-time pad, making them impossible to decode by anyone except the sender and recipient. They've been used for almost 100 years now

to send and receive the most sensitive information between the intelligence services and agents and spies in the field. Aside from voice messages, number stations also consist of data and digital modes as well as Morse code. There are still many in use today. It's not often we see new number stations appear these days, however. The most recent one I can recall is V-30, the Vietnamese lighthouse number station.

It appeared on February the 21st, 2010, but disappeared on May the 6th, 2016. The thought of a number station appearing on the air in 2026 is something really spectacular and quite honestly unbelievable. A new one has appeared, though it would seem, on 7910 kilohertz last night and tonight, and it's definitely one to watch. It's believed to be operated by Iran.

Iran has never operated a number station before. This one appeared suddenly and mysteriously after the death of Ayatollah Kamenei. So, before you continue, I just want to establish, this is bull crap, it is to promote the Oscars. So everybody knows,

you've got to watch the Oscars on Sunday. It's this Sunday. Don't miss it, the Oscars. everybody could be blown to bits. They could blow up all the celebrities. That is the entire reason for the report. But I'm glad you got the number station report because there's been a couple of really stupid reports

in the past few weeks where someone is... I'm a ham radio guy, so I know all about the digital stations. And then all of a sudden on a part of the band where people send digital messages, which is actually one of my favorite ways of doing ham radio, because you can do it with low power. Right. All of a sudden, they're like, oh, listen to this. And it's just like Olivia or it's PSK 32 or 31.

I mean, this is nothing special. So for now all of a sudden to have a number station pop up, that's interesting. So what do you have? So I've got, there's four clips and they all kind of fit together. I keep my clips really short because it's easier for me. Where this guy, Ringway Manchester, actually discusses it. He goes into probably too much detail, such as, you know, he talks about that it shows up. And suddenly there's a lot of bubble sounds that show up.

The way that they can block it is through this much louder sound. And Iran is blocking the station so it keeps bouncing around. So we should probably just go to Ringway Final because that explains what they think it is because they don't think it originates from Iran. They know that the countries that still do, these number stations include Israel and Russia. Russia, yeah. And they haven't, because it's jumping around, they also haven't been able to figure out where the tower is. But they do not think it comes from Iran. So if we do, I think six is a pretty good final.

Is this the wrong one? This is the Manchester Final. Is that what you want me to play here? Three. I'm sorry. Manchester three. The finals, just a final. Sorry. All right, no problem. Many of the comments on my recent videos regarding this station have posed the same question. Could V-32 actually be operated by somebody other than Iran? Could it be operated by the United States Central Intelligence Agency or Israel's Mossad in order to signal agents inside Iran? has been the main question put forward in the comments. While many people have raised this question, on the face of it, it sounds absurd. The CIA hasn't operated a number station for many decades, and Israel hasn't for about 15 years either. Presumably they've moved to more sophisticated ways

of sending secret information. These past few days, however, something has happened that would appear to support the theory that the Persian number station may not be Iranian in origin. It's been jammed and it's been jammed hard. The interesting thing is that the jammer sounds remarkably like the bubble jammers Iran uses and has used for many years in order to jam foreign broadcasters such as Radio Fada. It's like I'm living in the 50s again. What is going on? So our news stations are going, oh, cryptic messages from Iran. Yes. The experts in this are saying, uh-uh, you know, uh-uh, I don't think so. And it's, I always find it amusing that our, news spins it for fear. It's just fear. Oh, secret messages are getting out.

Well, yeah, we all saw the Americans. So we know it's true. We know that's how the Russians do it. And of course, it's also during Russia Gate, didn't we have, who's that woman? She was the wife of one, I think one of the FBI agents and they were communicating through through ham radio. Gosh, I forget what the story was. I, you know, Ron, if you listen to 2CTV, he talks about everybody so freaked out after the pager thing and everything else that they aren't communicating through any devices. They're sending couriers all over the place. You know, I'm skeptical of this 2CTV guy.

Are you? Yeah, I am. Because he just popped up all of a sudden. And you even said on the last show, you said, Well, I don't know where he came from. I got a note from someone about it. Hold on a second. Oh, good. Yeah.

So this producer is Israeli living in the U.S. since 2017. February 22nd. A friend of mine told me told me to go watch 2CTV. Reports that Iran launched some 100 missiles. A bunch were intercepted and nine hit Tel Aviv. I then checked in Israeli news outlets. There was no mention of it. Talk to friends in Israel who said that no one was even.

even thinking about Iran at the time. Reported back to my friend, the American, and said, All is quiet in the Holy Land. He checked Tussi's website again, and all of a sudden those videos were gone. March 1st, after the actual attacks, I asked him to go to the website again and see if they had the same video reports. He said that the video was watching was pretty much the same one he watched a week before. So our producer's hypothesis, they had a package all ready to roll,

someone let it slip a week in advance, and 2CTV is somehow someone else's billboard. Tusi lives in the UK. Okay. I'm not saying that he's not near wrong. The UK is our enemy. Right. Well, so he's, and the thing is, he has been on for about two years. He used to do just long-form documentaries, and I used to watch those.

So I'm familiar with them. I'm not quite sure. but I enjoy watching it because why not it's the same as watching mainstream media. It's just a different perspective of propaganda. I'm just saying, yes, yes, I'm just saying we need to be suspicious of 2CTV. I am at least. I agree. Okay, so the final clip here?

No, you don't have to worry about that. You skipped over it. It's fine. They fit together that way. So the whole thing with Shortwave, I'm just amused that suddenly, something pops up on shortwave, and I haven't thought about a number station for years. And I just, it's like, and suddenly our news is saying, oh, oh, it's a cryptic message. It's blah, blah, blah.

Uh-huh. Well, I have a recording of the number station that I wanted to share with everybody, and I think this is, it becomes kind of obvious. Hi, 33, 33, 33. There you go. Rob Elizer out. There you go. It's obvious. obvious what the code is.

No, this is just a promotion for the Oscars, I'm telling you, because the report from the FBI is months old. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah, we're going to have an Iranian drone ship off the coast of California. Please. Yeah, I know. I find it to be

interesting. Meanwhile, you know, the thing in New York with the mom-dami's residence being bombed as it first came out, and then when the real story comes out, it's like... It's like two teenagers. No, it is two teenagers. Yeah, here I have a clip. New details tonight surrounding the Bucks County teenagers accused of trying to carry out an ISIS-inspired attack in New York City. ABC News has learned

they allegedly considered other targets before driving into Manhattan late Saturday morning with homemade bombs. While searching a storage unit in Middletown Township this week, investigators discovered a notebook in which the teens wrote about soft targets like shopping centers. Investigators also say Emir Balat and Ibrahim Kiyumi had been planning some kind of attack for at least a week. Two members of the NYPD are being hailed as heroes

for their efforts in chasing down the suspects near the mayor's home, Gracie Mansion. They spoke today about their action. I saw the device hit the floor and I just ran. I knew that I needed to save lives. So I ran towards the people to make sure that nobody got heard. It was all instinct. There wasn't a lot of thought.

you know, there was a real threat. There was a real danger there. And the goal was just to get to it. Belat and Kuymi are being held on a terrorism charge, use of weapons of mass destruction, and other offenses tonight. Did these things even go off? No, they didn't. But first, I like the fact that everybody was like, oh, this is the very first reports where it's, you know, Iran's supervisors. Yeah, sleeper cells. Sleeper cells. Except ISIS and Iran hate each other. So I don't know how that works. Oh, details. And then the other part is these, these, so I have the Philly teen storage, which I found to be very amusing. This is the, because it's got, I'm sorry, I won't.

Go ahead. Go ahead. I just, what I find really interesting is the way this whole thing is reported. It was like, oh, God, how did they get this information? Now, how did they do this? And so let's play that teen storage. and then I will give you some other information. This is the moment.

The FBI blew up suspicious items found at a storage unit outside Philadelphia. Investigators say they contained explosive residue and were linked to the two teens charged with attempting to carry out an ISIS-inspired attack in New York. One of the teens seen here hurling a homemade bomb that tested positive for the explosive TATP. Police say a second device the teen ignited before running down the sidewalk and leaping over a police barrier. was also a potentially viable explosive. Hey, I'm a potentially viable explosive. So they have a bunch of other reports about how the kid was buying fuses,

like that's some kind of thing with, if you don't understand that in Pennsylvania, they have the laxest fireworks regulations in the country. They have stores that are open 365 days a year to buy Class C fireworks, consumer grade. And it's like where he went into is like a chain of superstore for fireworks. The kids are kind of interesting because Emmer, Amir, Blat, his father sought asylum in 1998. He's been naturalized. The kid was a senior, but not in high school. He was in a virtual program. And then at the first meeting of court, he said, oh, his attorney said, well, he's got complicated stuff going on.

His father's a painter. So this TATP is triacetone triperoxide, which is just hydrogen peroxide and acetone. Right. And his father would have. Yeah, exactly. Now, without too much trouble, I found multiple instances where you can find out how to make this online. And I have one that's just that you don't have to go on too long. But this is one guy who actually did a whole thing on how to make it.

called molecular playground. Oh, I got it here. Yes. Investigators descending on a pair of quiet neighborhoods. Sorry. Sorry. Stop. Stop.

Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop.

Stop. Stop. Stop. I'm sorry. It's Linux. Pay no attention to what's going on. Here we go. I want to thank you all for following me this past year.

Without you, I would have retired this channel a long time ago. Seriously, if you asked me a year ago that I was, have a YouTube channel with a thousand subscribers, I would think you're crazy. But now, I believe we can go even bigger. Now how big? Well, let's find out. However, with growth comes the growing pains. It seems acetide my video has become a lightning rod for controversy, and by that, I mean it has more than two negative comments. In fact, only acetone peroxide has been both revered and revived by the community. Everything else has received nothing but love. I can't stress enough the dangers of acid peroxide, especially dry. Looking back, I probably should have put a PSA

within the intro about its dangers. Hmm. Meanwhile, I have another one called eight years ago on Facebook. Yeah, got it. Video, police say this guy is talking about a highly explosive concoction nicknamed the mother of Satan. This is the same stuff used in some deadly, huge attacks like the one in Paris. It's a Facebook video that's frightening. That's only 3%. Police say that's 28-year-old Callie Valante inside his northeast Albuquerque apartment showing off a trove of chemicals. It can actually synthesize a more explosive compound TATP, which is... TATP, or Mother of Satan, is a combo of hydrogen peroxide, acetone, and acid.

It's unclear if Valante's making it or wants to, but the video on his public profile was enough to get him arrested for having an explosive device. I remember this. I mean, yeah, I remember. remember all of the there were more cases like this yes i found about 15 right off the bad yeah people were getting arrested in the drug store for buying too much nail polish remover you know all kinds of stuff like that now because i looked up the uh the FBI affidavit to see if they had been in contact with the boys beforehand appears not uh but one of the boys mom uh did report him missing on the day of the attacked. So there's that. The whole thing just stinks. Well, you know, the whole thing is it's like, but then the one thing that I, that showed up and then it disappeared is that they, it was,

I have to wrestle paper, sorry, that it was claimed early on that both of them watched ISIS propaganda on their phones. And okay, maybe. Um, The claim is that ISIS recruits from Roblox and Discord. They're called Cubs of the Cellophate and Salivate Revivalists. There's a whole bunch of specials that have never gotten a lot of airplay that are about this 764 targeting chance. Oh, yeah. Now, we've talked about 764.

Sure. Right. So I'm waiting for that to start to get connected with this just because there are so many stupid videos on 764, which, you know, again, it sounds a lot like Epstein stuff. It also seems like, you know, it's the same thing that I've heard forever, how, you know, the Internet is praying on your children. Well, it is. Of course it is.

Yeah, it is. Yeah, it is. But I think the overarching thing is that this is not new. This has been going on forever. All of these types of Internet getting kids to do stupid stuff. Most of it perpetrated by the FBI, like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll tell you where to get. You go get the stuff over there.

And then when they're about to hit the phony ignition, then they arrest them, and then the FBI is the hero. So not in this case. Right. Well, in this case, it was the bomb wasn't put together properly because I guess these kids aren't all that great when it comes to following directions. But it's so good to scare the American public continuously. That's what we want. We want a scared population. Scare them.

And the entire situation was. is Nick Shirley actually interviewed Jake Lang, who was the one who was doing the anti-Islamist thing at Mondami's house. And he had a lot of press there. And he was walking a goat because his entire thing was that Muslims screwed goats. He had a roasted pig in front of Mondami's house. He was just doing everything he could, which is what he does, to be inflammatory and annoying. and so a bunch of other people on the other side came out, and that was the protest.

But there were never more than like 50 people in front of the house. It was really not. The whole thing is like it was lame. And it's like I, and the amount of crazy stuff that came out, actually I really like, you know, Mount Dimey first comes out and he's like criticizing this anti, that they were attacking him. That was the first thing he said. You know, it was like everything started to twist, but oddly enough, people twisted back.

And I think that the best thing is the Mondami criticism for March 9th. I have a clip that I just thought, I keep talking over it. I'm sorry, we'll get it down. New York City mayor Zoran Mamdani also facing brutal backlash over his response to that attack. Domani posted a statement Labelizing the protest organizer as a white supremacist but never mentioned that it was the protesters

who were the ones targeted or that the suspects appeared to have radical Islamic motives according to investigators. New York Congressman Mike Lawler responded online writing quote, they were radical Islamic terrorists as mayor of the largest city in the world and the greatest target of terrorism

you don't need to confront this head on. Don't just call out one group of protesters and not the other group. Yeah. Yeah. This is perfect, you know, in the age of social media. Fredericksburg, everybody's all flipping out.

Because, you know, this had been this constant nonstop campaign that is, Islam is taking over Texas. It's nonstop. And the number of fake bomb things in the news in the last. week have just been insane. You know, this school, you know, hospitals, this and that. But if you look at the numbers, you know, there's last year alone there were 2,400, you know, fake bomb calls. And we sure didn't hear about it. So it's, it's a convenient thing to trot out to try to scare people. Well, here's Anderson Pooper, uh, continuing the, uh, continuing the fear.

Richard, I'm wondering what do you make of that FBI memo? Because we were showing pictures of Shahid drones. It seems. likely Iran would have access to Shaheed drones in the U.S., but certainly commercial drones jerry rigged with explosives. We've seen that all over Ukraine. Oh, I should mention. I met with a buddy from Holland yesterday. He runs a nonprofit, the – I don't know.

I forget the name of the nonprofit, but it's the crisis response. And he brings in mesh networks and gets people up on Wi-Fi. And so when we had the big flood here, he – I remember. Yeah, he came in. So he's actually setting up a company in San Antonio, a really nice guy, Aferts. And he said, man, you would not believe that the minute all of the EU decided to spend all this hundreds of millions of euros on anti-dron technology. Guess what?

The drone stopped flying over airports all of a sudden. You don't hear about it anymore. It's all a scam. It's amazing. Perfect example, Anderson. Could the Iranians get their larger drones into the country or off the coast of California? Highly doubtful. But we heard them describe this as an aspirational thought.

What we're really concerned about is it becomes inspirational. This is California, the largest Iranian population in the United States. And there certainly could be several people that are sympathetic to the regime. So that's certainly one of the problems. So this threat, which was described as aspirational, not imminent, what is the intelligence threshold for when the FBI shares this kind of information with other law enforcement agencies? Well, this is the job of the Joint Terrorism Task Force in every FBI office every single day. They coordinate with all of their partners.

In this case, it looks like this information came from the Coast Guard. They collate this information. Again, we heard it's unverified, uncorroborated, no actionable intelligence. But in this day and age, they're going to share that information. They have no choice. Nobody wants to be caught sitting on any of this. And we see that California is taking the appropriate steps. They're going to notify their emergency responders.

All the police departments throughout the state are aware of this. And that means they'll just check their traps. They'll talk to the people that they need to talk to, talk to any sources, research any ongoing cases, and look at it to see if anything like this is being planned. Yeah, disaster tech lab is the name of A for its nonprofit. So, yeah, this is, you know, just more fear. And, of course, now we have this Michigan car crash. into a synagogue and, you know, Michigan, Dearborn, Islam, they're taking over.

We're going to be like, you're going to Tommy Robinson going around to churches and Texas. I like Tommy Robinson in general, but he's going to pastors and saying, you better start talking about this because it's happening. You don't want to be like the UK. You're probably more vulnerable. I'm like, the situation is quite different. You know, Texas has 400,000 Muslims. Are there some Islamists who are nuts?

Of course. But it's not like, I don't like it when people are walking around afraid of a brown person. It's stupid. Well, and California, yes, has a large Iranian population, especially in Los Angeles. Yeah, Persians, we call them. We're Persians. And most of them were never Muslims to begin with. I mean, I know families from Iran that moved to Southern California, and they were Iranian.

They were Jewish Iranians and Christian Iranians. because they were the ones that had the most to lose by the Ayatollah coming in. I mean, I know there were people that I knew as a kid that were killed by the Iranians. You know, by the Ayatollah, they were just hauled off, tortured, and killed. I do not see that we need to fear Iranians, and I don't really see that saying that, oh, well, you know, there's a large Iranian population like they're a threat to us. I mean, no. And this, it's, it's, again,

but no one is looking, no one is looking at Iranians. They're looking at Muslims. And then, so if there's a mosque, then that mosque is by definition suspicious. And they're going to come and get you. That's, that's what's happening. That's what's happening here in Texas. It is, and it's in particular, Christians are being terrorized with this. Yeah.

Well, to get them to vote Republican. It's always the same. Yeah. I kind of liked, I have a thing called Sky News priority of U.S. media, and I found that to be kind of a very interesting take. CNN, let's talk about them because they've come under fire for spinning the ISIS-inspired attempted bombing out the front of the New York mayor's residence into some kind of human interest color story in a questionable post on X.

The network wrote, two Pennsylvania teenagers crossed into New York City Saturday morning for what could have been a normal day enjoying the city during abnormally warm weather. But in less than an hour, their lives would drastically change as the pair would be arrested, throwing homemade bombs during an anti-Muslim protest outside of Mayor Zoran Mamdani's home. I mean, even talking about just it was an anti-Muslim protest, not the fact. that these two were suspected of doing it in the name of ISIS, according to police. CNN has since deleted the post and issued an apology bit. Truly, this is beyond parody, isn't it? No, it's bizarre, but it's such obviously fascinating insight. It doesn't matter

they deleted it because this is what they were thinking. They only deleted it because of the backlash, but such a fascinating insight into legacy media and how they deal with these issues, right? Look, this is not crazy surprising, unfortunately. I did a little bit of an analysis, and I fed this to three different AI models. And what they came up with was that there's been three, in the last 24 hours, three times as much coverage on these civilian deaths in Iran than there has been on an ISIS attack here in the United States. It's absolutely incredible on what their priorities are. And they're doing that, obviously, because they want to make this war look like some evil, terrible war where civilians are being murdered. By the way, just for some context, CNN, just so you know.

Yes, there have been a little under 2,000 Ryan civilians who have been killed, and that's awful, right, obviously. But some context, you're talking about Ralph Routhrm between 15 and 30,000 bombs that have been dropped in Iran. Talk about precision to have 2,000 civilian deaths with that kind of heavily weaponry being dropped in Iran. shows you how much the U.S. military and Israel cares about trying not to hit civilian deaths. That should be the article, not the article saying, look how many civilian deaths are. And by the way, ignoring pretty much the ISIS attacks. It just gives you a sense of the priorities of the U.S. media. Yeah, obviously I've seen her on Sky News.

We used to play a lot of clips. But at a certain point, I'm like, look at your own media, lady. Yeah. Oh, no, there's that. You don't mean, it really sucks over there. It's just, eh, you know, okay. And he used three large language models. Oh, I'm so glad you did that. Now I feel so secure in what you've discovered.

The point, though, that we have, we have exploded a lot of stuff. But when you consider that it's like it takes out one apartment, you know, one apartment in a complex and it, you know, people are getting killed that way. You know, this isn't massive carpet bombing. It's a new style of warfare. And for us to be going, oh, look how many people were killed. Well, you know, the IRGC killed easily in the last protest, 30,000 people. And they've killed more than 100,000 in the 47 years, if not more. And it's like, you know, trying to make this attack on Iran seem like, you know, like, oh, you know, down with terrorists, down with, you know,

with horrible rulers. Oh, but except Iran, we shouldn't be attacking there. I'm getting really confused by the whiplash that I'm seeing, and I'm seeing it here. It's because it's Trump. That's why. Trump is doing something that no president has done. And even me saying, like, he's doing something no president has done,

people come out and, you know, I'm unsubscribing. I will never donate. I get it. And, yeah, President Trump definitely said no more forward. Foreign wars, no more forever. Whatever he said, the idea was we're not going to have war. And it doesn't matter what he does, particularly in the EU, again from Avert, who just came over. He says, you know, in Holland for years, like, oh, the poor Iranian people, we should set them free. They need help. We need to do something. Trump says, we're coming to help. And then I guess this is going to help.

And immediately, oh, you should never done that. It's no. It's true. Trump. It's just Trump. People hates Trump. And Trump knows it. And he's gotten over that. He doesn't care anymore. He's doing what he thinks is right. I hope he's right. I hope that it goes the way he thinks it will. A lot of my military contacts don't think so. They think that it's going to be similar to Afghanistan. There's going to be all kinds of crazy people running the show over there. And then neither you nor I will ever be invited on top. Parker Carlson show. He had McGregor on who refused to even speak to John for an interview, which still irks John. And here is McGregor's take. We need to end this. And somebody will say, well, why do you need to end it?

Because if we don't, we're going to hit $300 per barrel of oil. We're going to watch 60 to 80% of the stock value crash. People are going to lose trillions in wealth. will be a disaster. And it's not something we'll recover from. We've, we've already seen that the Israelis hit a refinery on the outskirts of Tehran. And what did Iran do? They've destroyed the refinery, and it's supporting infrastructure in Haifa. How does this help us? How does this help anybody? The damage it's being done is going to be semi-permanent. And by that, I mean, it's going to take years to recover from this. The Qatari government has said we're shutting down.

We can't store anymore. We can't drill anymore. We can't refine anymore. I mean, this is a catastrophe. We look at this and say, well, only 3% of our oil comes from the Gulf. Well, I got news for you. 50% of it goes to India. 50% goes to China. You know, 70 plus percent goes to Japan. What? Wait a minute. He ran out of percent. He went from 50 to 50 to 75. What? It goes to India. 50% goes to China. You know, 70 plus percent goes to Japan. mid-60% or so, 64 or 65% goes to South Korea. He's at 210%. Now, did we call the president or the prime minister of Japan?

Did we call the president of Korea and say, by the way, we're considering a war against Iran, action against Iranians. And we want to know what you think the impact will be on your country because you are friends of ours. You are our allies. Alize. Did we do that? I don't think so. I think we are acting like the biggest bully in the school yard. To hell with everybody else.

This is what I want. And I'm going to pound your face into the dust. Well, you can't do that in international relations for very long before people gang up against you. Okay. That is that is his opinion there. I don't know. I don't know. I don't want to have pizza at his house because I don't think there's enough pizza for everyone.

His percentage Pizza? Did you say pizza? Did you want pizza with grape soda? What are you talking about? And jerky and jerky. No, it's just one of those, it's new math, you know. I went to school and when they changed the math.

No, I think what he meant to say is 75% of their imports comes from Iran, but it just came out in a strange way. But this is clearly, clearly about China. And at the same time, it's clearly also about Russia as Russia is now benefiting from this, even more than we are, or probably equally to what we are. And from everything I've understood, Russia is going to start selling their oil and dollars. This is ultimately what it's about. Since the pipeline episode, episode 100 or whatever it was, it's about the oil.

It always is. Well, yes, it is about the oil. There's no two ways about it. Unless your Queen Ursula in the EU, oh, no, no, no. Since the beginning of this conflict, gas prices have risen by 50% and oil prices have risen by 27%. If you translate this in euros, the 10 days of war have already cost European taxpayers an additional 3 billion euros in fossil fuel.

imports additional. That is the price of our dependence. And honorable members, fact is we have energy sources that are homegrown, renewables and nuclear. Their prices have remained the same over the last 10 days. Yet in current crisis, some argue that we should abandon our long-term strategy and even go back to Russian fossil fuels. This would be a strategic blunder. All right. So after we blew up the nuclear plants in Germany, we're now going to save our souls with wind and with solar in the EU.

But going back to Russian, fossil fuels would be a blunder of epic proportion. And so this brings us to the oil. Yep. Here's a little update on the latest in the straits. Tonight, with 20% of the world's oil being prevented from passing through this vital waterway, three vessels attacked in the critical strait of Hormuz, one of those ships in flames, claiming the captains ignored their warnings not to come through.

Attention, all ships from now on, all navigating through the strait of Hormuz is forbidden. Meanwhile, a foreign oil tanker was ablaze in the port of Umpasa, near Basra, southern Iraq. A security source saying the vessel sustained significant damage is not yet known what the cause was. And tonight, Iranian drones also striking Oman's largest oil facility, setting off massive explosions in videos circulating online. All of this adding to huge global volatility in oil markets and gas prices back in the US. Tonight, the retaliation from Iran are on those ships and all. oil fields seem as a major escalation. It comes just hours after the US struck at least 16 boats

capable of laying sea mines in that all-important Strait of Hormuz. Iran tonight, now warning the world to get ready for oil prices to skyrocket to $200 per barrel. Earlier, the president was pressed if he'd still encourage oil companies to pass through the dangerous strait of Hormuz. after saying 24 hours ago, the crews on those oil tankers should have the guts to do it. I think they should use. And even as all of this plays out, the president tonight in Kentucky claiming victory. And we've won. Let me say we've won. You know, you never like to say too early you won. We won. In the first hour, it was over.

David, these attacks by Iran causing havoc with international shipping and oil prices. President Trump has said he'd act to keep the strait of Hormoos open, but so far, Iran's ability to pose danger to any vessel all too clear. So that predicates the releasing of oil from the strategic reserves. And I have a clip here from Pooper about it. So it's very hard to judge what winning is, and what we see from Iran, including today, is they're not backing down, right? They're continuing to fire.

They get a vote. Iran gets a vote in this as well in terms of how they respond. And clearly they are willing to, I mean, it seems like they are willing to try to shut down the Strait of Hormuz, even though economically it will hurt Iran. They have other objectives. Jim, this is existential for them, right? This is the survival of the regime. Aside from killing the new Ayatollah's father and as well as his mom and his sister, you know, they've completely, this is a moment for them of survival. And so you saw them today, as you pointed out, they attacked ships, commercial ships in the straits. They don't care.

The prices are going up. I think they believe that's their greatest strength against the world. Obviously, the president and some of our partners releasing oil reserves today, significant oil reserves. I'm not sure how much of an impact that's going to have on pricing, but they know people are feeling it at home. And they're watching on TV seeing what's going on as this spreads and the next. North in Hezbo, with Hezbo, in Lebanon. It's always amazing how when the, when the president makes the, gets the prices down of gasoline at the pump, there's no real talk about it.

But now I was like, oh, he's making everything spike. And I got, I got an interview that I found on CNBC, which was quite good, surprisingly, but CNBC does have to get into some factual stuff with the Secretary of Energy, right. Is it Steve Wright? Right? I forget his name, first name. I don't know what his name is. And he gave a little more information into exactly what's going on, because we're not really letting anything go out of our strategic reserves.

We're not, because that takes a while to get the oil out. Listen to what they're doing instead. The U.S. plans to release 172 million barrels of oil from the strategic petroleum reserve in an effort to lower energy costs during. the Iran War. Join us now. Is Energy Secretary, Chris Wright, the Secretary, it's good to see you. Thanks for hanging out. I'm doing some math here and thinking

about the SPR. We're only at 58% right now. If we use 172 million out of 415, we'll be below 50% full, won't we? We will. But as we release this

oil to address the short term needs, we're doing it in swaps. So we're going to release 172 million barrels and swap it for more than 200 million barrels that'll be back in the reserve within a year. So ultimately, this is going to help us fill the reserve, but we need the oil in the short term for a short term pain for long-term gain. How does that work? Because I saw that so that it will get 200 back with no cost of the taxpayer. How does that work? Just think of the price structure of oil right now. You know, it's backwardated. So the front month price is much higher than the 12 months out price.

Right. Okay. All right. So, yeah, that the math actually works out. I think it's a great idea. We just do a swap. Yeah. And then when, you know, we just borrow the oil to give us this oil.

And then when the price is back to 60, we'll give you some oil back. Yeah. It's a smart way to do it. Of course, I love all this. You know, in Washington State, we have the second highest gas prices in the country where for years and years, we were right in the pack with the average price around the country. But, you know, good old Inslee pushed through the Climate Commitment Act and saying, oh, it's only going to add one or two cents. Well, it doesn't add one or two cents. It adds about 50 cents to our per gallon of oil of gasoline.

and it hurts. It really hurts because we're living way out here on the peninsula and, you know, it's two and a half hours to get to Seattle. Everything gets struck to us. And the bump that we've seen has been about 20 cents, 30 cents on average. But meanwhile, you know, it's, you know, some of the legislators are going, well, we should roll it back and the governor's saying, no, no, we can't. No, no, climate change, climate change. Climate change. Well, the money's already. spent. And then in California, you know, there are more and more refineries leaving because of the crazy stuff that's been passed to get them out. So it's like, why, you know, you're already killing us with these prices. I mean, I've seen pictures. What's the gas prices where you are? They have to be something that would just make me cry. And the threes. Okay. Yeah. For premium, for premium super duper 98 octane, I think it's three,

40? It's five here. Yeah. It's five here. Well, you're in a crap state. Sorry. I know. I know. Texas, Uber-Aolis. Wright continues here to explain that it's not just the U.S. releasing strategic reserves. And again, it's not just the United States that's releasing. You know, it's 30 nations around the world. There's no shortage or even really tight oil market in the Western Hemisphere. The issue's in Asia. That's where the oil from the Persian Gulf flows. Japan is releasing three times more than their pro rata share, just addressing where is the struggle is in refineries in Asia. We're just getting oil into those refineries as quick as possible.

We're going through a short-term disruption, but it's overdue to address this Iranian threat that's festered and grown for 47 years. Okay, trying to make it sound good. And are we ready to escort ships yet, Chris? I think people would love to see the Navy being able to escort a tanker through the strait. And earlier this week from an ex post, it looked like that was happening. It wasn't happening. I guess the White House later said that it was incorrect. Why isn't it happening?

Can it happen now? Will it happen soon that the Navy can do that? It'll happen relatively soon, but it can't happen now. We're simply not ready. All of our military assets right now are focused on destroying a military. Iran's offensive capabilities and the manufacturing industry that supplies their offensive capabilities. You know, we don't want this to be a brush off for a year or two. We want to permanently destroy their ability to build missiles, to build drones, to have a nuclear program. It is amazing.

They have invested all of the wealth of their country, deprived the rights of all of their people, simply to build a war machine. And we are systematically day by day destroying that war machine. I like this because that was the first time someone's given kind of a straight answer to what we're actually doing. Yeah. And for him to say, oh, no, we're getting rid of all their production because, obviously, we need U.S. companies to go in there and start doing production and refining. And then Becky, Becky over at CNBC, she had a series of very good questions wearing her. She wears a tie, which is kind of looks kind of odd. Secretary Wright, when you say weeks, not months for the incursion, the war, whatever you might want to call this, the question that the markets are focused on, does that mean days or weeks before you might be able to start escorting some of those tankers through the strait?

When we talked to an oil expert earlier this morning, she suggested that if this carries on for the next couple of weeks through the end of the month, that you could be looking at oil prices above $150. and it's not just oil that there are concerns about. There is helium, tanks of helium trying to get through because that's critical to making sure we can continue to manufacture semiconductors. There's nothing that can be substituted for the cooling properties of helium with that. Do you think by the end of this month, then U.S. Navy will be escorting some of those ships through the strait? I think that, yes.

I think that is quite likely the case. But again, I mean, I'll be over at the Pentagon later today. But that is what the military is working on. And yes, a lot of critical materials come out of the Straits of Hormuz. Look, we have a large global economy. Fortunately, with President Trump's policies, you know, the United States is a net exporter of oil. We're a net exporter of natural gas. And in fact, we're growing our net exports of natural gas this spring, this summer.

You'll see massively more capacity online by the end of this year. Natural gas is another product. So we've done the right things in the U.S. to make the western. hemisphere in a much better place and to supply the world, but it is short-term pain for the long-term gain, but it's simply a must-achieve thing. Otherwise, you've got decades into the future of an Iran that can hold the world hostage whenever it wants. Yes, there is disruption right now to do this. And if the election had gone another way, we probably would, our kids would be living with Iran, you know, to the end of their lives. That's not acceptable outcome.

been with me my whole life so far. Well, not the IRGC. Since when have we ever escorted merchant marine ships anywhere? My dad was a merchant marine. He was a merchant marine in World War II. During World War II, you know, that all, everything was

munitions, supplies, everything was shuttled around by merchant ships. And they were sitting ducks. They were sunk more than any other group of military ships weren't sunk. Merchant Marine ships were sunk. When he was in Vietnam, he did the munitions thing through all their little waterways.

And the big thing was don't go on deck because people on the shore will pick you off. There was no, we've never escorted ships, even through small areas, even through the Suez Canal when we had problems with that. Well, the thinking here is that because Lloyds of Longer, London won't insure ships or they went up to $450,000 a day from $50,000 a day that the president said, okay, we'll insure the ships at reasonable rates because, you know, he's a sales guy, best rates, and we'll escort them. I think they will do that. Why wouldn't they?

I mean, since when, well, this is a different president. Maybe he will make good on that. But do we have enough ships to do that? I don't know. Yeah, I know. I don't know. I know that's a good question. I have no idea. I've just never heard of this. And, you know, I mean, my dad was in a high risk occupation and, you know, and he just accepted it. This whole concept that we're going to be able to protect merchant ships is kind of odd to me. Well, considering the drone, the seed drones, they've been showing off, it seems complicated. I mean, those things are wild. That's just like a little miniature speed boat and just,

goes in and blows up a ship. I don't know. I don't know. But all I can tell you, that's what they're saying they're going to do. We'll have to see. Not months, weeks. Right. Okay.

Well, this all seems to me to be that what we're really doing is fighting China. You know, we're trying to get. You know, and it's so much for Timo. No, you're screwed on Timo. Actually, I got a clip also from Sky News. Peter Schweitzer, and I know him from the book Clinton Cash. He did some other ones. I like those books.

I think he's a great investigative writer, I guess not really a journalist, but writer. Now he's with, he has, what is he called? The Government Accountability Institute. And he was on Sky News in Australia, and he explained how what is happening in Iran, is also bad for China in another way. One of the things that we've seen here is Chinese technology going into the proving ground of battle and actually not doing that great. We've seen Chinese ships that were heavily dependent on Chinese technology now at the bottom of the ocean. We've seen Chinese air defense systems

that, as one person said, work by blowing up when there's a missile near them. Is this showing that the Chinese military may be a bit more of paper? Tiger than that we had thought or feared. Yes, absolutely. And I think this is a big concern for Beijing. Let's remember Beijing gave to Iran their most advanced air defense systems, highly touted. They didn't end up doing anything. They didn't shoot down a single American or Israeli plane, and they were destroyed by the air forces. There are intelligence systems that China has set up in Iran that didn't work.

And this to me is reminiscent of what happened during the Cold War back in 1982. The Israeli Air Force and the then Syrian Air Force squared off above Lebanon that year. The Israelis were flying American F-15s and the Syrians were flying MiG-25s. The Israelis won that Air Force, that air war by shooting down 82 Migs without suffering a year. single casualty. Yes, the pilot training was key, but the technology was important as well. But what happened after that is the Soviet ability to sell their arms and to gain that revenue and to gain a political advantage with the countries buying those weapons kind of evaporated. Because if you're in the developing world, why do you want the second best weapon system

when you might be facing the first a weapon system? So I anticipate that this is a major concern for China as it looks to trying to sell arms abroad and also use those arms sales to advance their political agenda. Yeah. So hurt everywhere with a meeting coming up between Trump and G. I'm not sure when it is supposed to be happening pretty soon. Yeah. And already the president's talking about Section 301. This is the new tariff gambit from Article 122, I think. So Section 301

gives the president the ability to stop trade, to change trade, to levy tariffs. What is it here? Yeah, Section 301 of the Trade Act aim to identify unfair trade practices, particularly structural excess capacity in production and manufacturing sectors, which I think is a shoe in for China.

Yeah. So these are much bigger games. And I understand Trump sees this as America first. It's not popular. I don't think it's popular at all. But it may actually turn out really good. It may. Unfortunately, so I've got a learning curve here because I don't really pay attention to the national news.

I focus on local things, you know, state and local. And so you're going to have to give me a show or two to catch up with you on all this. I'm only giving you four. John's going to be knocking at the door. I know. Get up to speed quick, Mimi. I'm working. I'm working on it.

I got to go ahead. No, go ahead. No, go ahead, Kara. Go ahead, Kara. Please. Hey, you know, the first thing John said to me, he said, what voice. is Mimi using? Where did that voice come from? He says

this is a different voice from your Mimi voice. And I would say that people love it. Please keep doing it. Like, Hey, Mimi sounds like a smoke show. Yeah. And she's a model. Oh, yeah. But John is convinced you're putting on a voice.

No, it's just my mic voice. I mean... A mic voice. Yeah. Okay. You know, it's just a mic mic voice. Just a mic voice. Sean doesn't know everything about me Okay All right There will be a test

All right Speaking of tests I got this wonderful clip That the clip collector found for me From Reason TV It's a quiz about war Do you Are you familiar with war

And what war is? Maybe Well I thought so too Until I heard this clip Welcome back to is it war. World War I. War. Correct. World War II. War. Correct. The Vietnam War. War. Oh, I'm sorry, Carl. That was a congressionally authorized counteroffensive.

Don't worry. We get right back on track with the Korean War. War. No, that was police action. No, they had tanks and stuff. Well, the police have tanks now, don't they, Carol? Okay, the first and second Iraq war. They identify as military action. It's a bit like pronouns, except we kill people. All right, how about liberal? A war? I'm sorry, that was kinetic action, not a war. Venezuela. Well, it was a... It was an act of war, I think.

No, I'm sorry that was a law enforcement operation, not a war. Iran. It's a war. We're doing war things. No, not war things. Preemptive retaliatory de-escalation action. No, that's not a thing. All right, judges? Okay, how about the war on terrorism?

Uh, war. No, it was a coalition-led conditional operation. How about Afghanistan? Afghanistan. the war on terror? No, I'm sorry. That was a pre-authorized defense stabilization initiative. Okay, can somebody tell me the rules here? War on poverty, Carl. Poverty, that's not even a thing. I'm sorry, I hate to do this to you. It was a trick question.

We don't have poverty in the United States. The Dow went up to 50,000. Can I even get that high amazing? Don't even worry about the Epstein files. Straight up. I love it. George Carlin would be proud. Yes, you would. And yet, yeah, yeah, World War II was the last war we had. Yes, absolutely. Did you know George Carlin when you were doing your comedy shows? Did you ever meet him? I didn't. I didn't know, but I did get to see his shows about 19 times.

So I was a big fan. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Really miss him. They killed him early, unfair. Yeah. You know, there's something to be said about living a healthy lifestyle for all your life, not just the last few years.

This is true. That's why I'm starting now. John has been a wake-up call for me. Make sure I live a healthy lifestyle. So this week, I was actually really amused by the Jesse Jackson Jr.'s warning at the funeral. Tina told me about it, but I didn't see it or didn't hear it myself. I have the clip of what he said. Do not bring your politics out of respect to Reverend Jesse Jackson and the life that he lived to these homegoing services.

Come respectful and come to say thank you. But these homegoing services are welcome to all, Democrat, Republican, liberal, and conservative, right wing, left wing, because his life is broad enough to cover the full spectrum of what it means to be an American. I didn't see any of the speeches. Did they adhere to his warning? Oh, not at all. Not at all. And actually, I have two different reactions from two. one's a Facebook guy, the other guy's a substat guy.

I have, and they're very funny. One of them is Brian Maxwell, real politics, and he gives a reaction to this. And they literally turn this funeral after the son requested for it to remain respectful and honoring his dad, the Democrats turned it into a political rally. Yeah, doesn't surprise me. And then Jeffrey Meade was the other reaction that I was just. used by and he does sub-stack. For starters, I'm glad none of them are in office.

I forgot how nice it was to not have to hear Joe Biden and Kamala Harris speak. But aside from that, they couldn't even just go pay their respects without talking about Trump and Republicans. They used his funeral as a political soapbox. And I mean, I've seen both sides do it before. But the thing that I found interesting is his son specifically asked not to do this. Yeah. How about the Republicans? Any Republicans doing anything?

No, they weren't. They weren't invited. They weren't invited. No, well, I just think they weren't, they didn't speak. And I mean, if you, if you watch the Brian Maxwell, he kind of goes into a real deep thing about how much Jesse Jackson hated Obama, which was, it's really kind of fascinating. But the entire thing here is that it's like this, this constant deluge from the, from one. side of the aisle is I'm finding it to be really hard to watch the news because it just makes me kind of itch. You know, like, why are we doing this? Why is it? Why are we constantly? I mean, what's the joke? If Trump found a cure to cancer, everyone would go, the Trump derangement

syndrome. Yeah, people would say, give me cancer. I'd rather have cancer. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Look at all the hospitals that are suffering because of what he's done. But the fact is that is America. Our system has always been, as far as I can remember, has always been this. Maybe for a little while during Reagan it was different. And everyone's like, yeah, this is great. And it's going to be because, you know, we had a movie star. And a movie star was perfect.

It couldn't be any better. The rest of the world hated us for that. Because I was living in Holland at the time. Hated us. But this is our system. Look at a social. media. It's always yes, no, right, left, blue, red. That's what television is. That's what movies are. Politicians. Everything we do in America is right down the middle. It's binary. We have a binary culture right now.

Wait. When I, okay, I lived in Iran as a kid and it wasn't against our president. People were against us because we were such arrogant, you know, jerks. I mean, one of my favorite stories was, you know, my mother would would revert to high school Spanish and speak louder. Most people would just speak louder, you know, English. And, you know, one of my, etched in my memory is this one woman, Mrs. Britt, who went into a little, little shop that we went to. We shopped in a group because the company sent us down little excursions together, so we would never split up. And she goes to this poor little shop, clerk and she's asking for noodles and he doesn't she doesn't know the the farcey word for noodles and he

doesn't know the the english word noodles so she's screaming at them at the top of her lungs noodles noodles noodles noodles and then you know she goes another stupid Iranian why can't they learn english and you know we were we created our own bad feelings in the world because Americans were both ignorant and and rude. I didn't hear that that was anything to do with our president. And, you know, television changed what we focus are. Okay, I'll agree with you on that. In 72, I moved to Holland.

And for three years straight, all I heard was on the street, you crazy American, crazy American. They hated Americans, number one, for the Vietnam War, even though they were not involved, but I guess they just saw it as wrong and arguably correct. The second was a lot of technology companies like Texas instruments were setting up shop all over Europe. You know, this was quite an influx of Americans. And we, we, the people were hated. But we weren't arrogant.

We weren't horrible people. They just didn't like us. Just period. They didn't, you know, whatever socialist, Marxist thing. but yet they all wanted they all wanted Nike's or Nikes as they called them in Europe

they all wanted Coca-Cola they all wanted donuts everybody wanted donuts they all wanted aerobics they all wanted to look like Jane Fonda it's a very strange thing so I can't speak for Iran obviously

but I can definitely speak for Europe hated us and I think unfortunately some of that fun, wacky arrogance is gone. And I was talking to Tina. It's like, you know, it feels like we used to be proud of our nuttiness. We used to be, you know, President Trump is one of the funniest presidents we've had.

And I still think he's funny. And I like it when he makes jokes. But that is hated by so many right now. You know, the globalist mindset has definitely set in. And social media has pitiful. has pitted us against each other, even in so-called camps. So, you know, just like this show, there are people who are leaving,

won't listen to no agenda because we're not denouncing the crazy president. It's sad to see. See, I grew up in a time when it was you were American first. And, you know, we had neighbors. We lived in a blue-collar community for a very, blue collar. And we moved to Reno. And I know my parents' politics were different from other peoples. But it wasn't something you ever talked about. I mean, what was the old saying is you don't talk about politics or religion at any social event, which I still adhere to because it's nobody's

business, what I do. I mean, it's like, you know, I don't talk about, you know, who I sleep with or or who I, you know, who I worship or who I vote for. Hold on. You better be sleeping with just John. Is there something you want to talk about? You want to share with the group here? Is there something we don't know? Oh, maybe.

You'll have to read my memoirs when I think about it. But this became a thing. It became, and I lived in Hollywood for, I couldn't even make it a year. If, and it's everywhere where there's blue, if you don't, and we had it in Austin. I mean, I had to leave Austin because if you didn't, show, if you didn't virtue signal that you were on the right team, you were immediately considered to be on the wrong team. That's where it came from. And that is the socialist, Marxist, globalist takeover that has been forced fed through media that you don't watch. Well, no,

it's forced fed through a lot of other ways, too. I see it locally in many ways. I did discover something interesting this week, though. You know, I read a lot of weird things. And, And it turns out that, you know, our representatives don't really listen to us very well. If you email, they ignore it. If you call, you don't get through. If you go to a county or city council meeting, they ignore you. But there was a letter writing campaign, letters, real pieces of paper, you know, the stuff that you don't like here rustling around, where people wrote, please do not vote for this and made it very clear.

and mailed it. And it was the first time in about 15 years that I saw that we were listened to. And I really think this is kind of interesting because since nobody knows how to write a letter to your congressman or whatever saying, I don't want this, not an email. It's got to be with a stamp on it. I think that that's the only way that we can finally start to be heard. But I'm an optimist. Well, now, was this regarding the state income tax?

Oh, no, that passed. I was going to say, where's the letter writing there, huh? That didn't work out. Well, there weren't letter writing. It was just lots and lots of people on online surveys and things. And the state wants to get that in, so it goes to the Supreme Court. And since Inslee appointed 250 or more, 250 judges by making other ones step down, we elect our judges, but he was appointing him. He's kind of, everything's kind of slanted right now. It's going to take us a while to get that straightened out. Who is this us you're talking about?

People keep electing this. These people are no good. Inslee, didn't he show his colors during COVID? Wasn't that enough for people to say no? We're a male in state. Ah, a scam. Okay, got it. I mean, I have all the voter records for the last two elections because since I was.

Do you have them in your large language model? Have you put them into your Chad GPT? No, it's just a spreadsheet. But I've gone through them. And the thing that I've discovered is that there are people registered. Because you can, in Washington State, you can register to vote. It doesn't have to be a permanent address. It can be any address.

So we've got people who are registered at the library. We have people who are registered in the car outside, you know, Jesse Webster Park. We have people who, many people who are registered. at our local homeless shelter. We have people who are registered at all of the rest homes, including the memory care homes. And when you look at those numbers, the number of people who are registered there far exceed the number that live there. Yeah, of course. So, you know, it's in the most recent election, we had a very close election of one person, two people.

that there were 25 votes apart. And then over the next 10 days with the recounts and the new ballots coming in, the person who is losing won by 325 votes. So this is clearly the thing. I mean, you know, I found out in California that my mother voted for Obama, which is shocking since she'd been dead since 2001. Wow. Mom, way to go.

What's wrong with you, Mom? You voted wrong. Oh, I'm sorry. You voted dead. That's no good. And she also donated to Obama's campaign because I kept getting... Of course. Of course. So, and I was getting robocalls because I still have her number is my cell number.

And I would be getting, you know, yeah, you voted last time. You know, I did. And, you know, up here, you know, I still get, even though Jay hasn't lived here for a while, she still gets a ballot here, and I have been unable to get her off our local voter rolls. Thanks, Obama. Exactly. So, you know, I, and the other thing I found out about voting in Washington State is that, you

know, we put everything into a special sleeve, a special envelope. We sign the outside of the envelope. The envelope, either you put it in a ballot box in one of three locations, or you mail it. and the procedure is as soon as the ballots come in, once that signature is verified, I don't know how they do that. The envelopes are instantly destroyed. Oh, so there's no record.

Not at all. And after you've accepted, okay, yeah, I lost, whatever. So it's 10 days after the election usually. They destroy all the ballots. Yeah. which is called it's illegal it's illegal i think in most states isn't it most well illegal all depends on how good your lawyer is not just the law well there we don't have we supposedly have open public meetings act up here but it's all been neutered everything's been neutered you know you and john are like

the most interesting people to me because you live in this horrible horrible horribly administered state, as does John. And both of you... It was a great state when I moved here. It was a lovely state when I moved here. I've just watched it. But time to leave, girl. It's like time to get out.

And you and John both need to go like to North Carolina or something. Go somewhere else. Enjoy, enjoy your twilight years with some peace. Well, but you have to understand. In my 20s, was a citizen lobbyist in California, and I worked to get consumer protection laws passed. And I did. I was able to, I think, make a positive influence. And then, of course, life got busy and I did other things. And when I later went back to go through all the old, you know, the laws, and I found

everything had been neutered on riders on other bills. So everything I worked for completely went away because, you know, I didn't make it my lifetime career. I am the, I'm Don Quixote. I really think that I can. Hello, windmill. I got you. I got you, Winmill. I can get you, no problem.

Wow. Well, that's a very American spirit of you. I appreciate that. I know. I took the easy way out. I just came to Texas. That's pretty good here. Yeah.

Let me switch topics because the next. big thing that we all have to be incredibly worried about is AI, artificial intelligence, which to me is just as fake as artificial flavoring. I have spent the last few days while you were doing clips starting Sunday. One of our producers sent me an Nvidia card and a computer. And I didn't quite understand his story until, you know, I really, because he's very lengthy, very precise and set up instructions and I was kind of getting it all together to run my own AI system at home.

And the reason why he gave it up is because he's giving up on the entire sector. He's like, you know, he's going to go learn how to play an instrument. He says, I think that there will be a time when people want to hear real musicians again. He's completely checking out because he's seen nothing but how bad it really is. And as I dove into this, and I've already done a lot of quote unquote vibe coding with success. I mean, it definitely has helped me get some projects done that I want to get. Not, you know, not huge products that can go to any, into any commercial venture.

But things that I needed, some small things that are workflow related, very helpful for that. $20 a month from, you know, Google or Claude. definitely helps me write some Python scripts that I needed. But I also discovered the concept of guardrails. And whenever you hear this term guardrails, that's the magic term in AI because these things are shit. I'm just going to say it. They're shit.

And guardrails means with every prompt that you send, invisible to you are going to be sent 50 to 100, maybe hundreds of rules, which are the guardrails that say, don't ever do this, don't ever do that, always do this. All of these things, because these large language models have zero intelligence, they are just guessing what you're saying and what needs to come back or based upon what you said, what you typed, what action has to be taken, what tool needs to be called. and it's very hit or miss. It can be perfect for days and then the next day all of a sudden it's not perfect. They don't have, they have no memory. Well, no, they have what's called context window.

And Gemini has now a million tokens. It's all about tokens. How many tokens? You can also write things to memory that it stores in files. And it will look at that to recall things. which is also funny because I'll just be, I'll be doing something in Gemini, which had also coded something for Godcaster,

and it'll all of a sudden say, well, this would be perfect for your Godcaster station. Like, what do you? So it's pulling things from, it. It's stupid. There is no intelligence, zero. But the guardrails give that illusion. It's still a big magic trick.

Can it code Python? Yeah, I think everyone, agrees it can code and it can code some other things. But what is the code really doing? Is anyone really looking at it anymore? Andrew Yang, who I don't, is he a computer guy? The name sounds familiar. He ran, yeah, he ran for office, the state of New York.

He ran for president. And he's famous for universal basic income. We're going to have to have this. So he goes to the big, official intelligence conference out in California, I think. And he comes back to CNBC and, oh, man, it's over. Forget about it. This is happening.

It's the best thing ever. It's amazing. And this guy, like AI, is full of shit. I just came from an AI conference out west and holy cow. They said to me that what we're going to see in the next six months outstrips, what we've seen in the last 10 years, because the rate of change is on a hockey stick. The rate of, notice the words, the rate of change. I'm not quite sure what that means, but sounds exciting.

10 years, because the rate of change is on a hockey stick and heading up. And I got to say, I'm pretty up to date on this stuff, and it blew my mind on some of the stuff I was seeing. In terms of what? What did you see? Well, there was one company that is selling autonomous coding for enterprises to big businesses, and their revenue is up 100-fold in the last 12 months. Their revenue was up 100-fold. doesn't mean they're making money, but their revenue is up 100fold.

So if that continues, it's going to eat a lot of the tech budgets from major corporates that used to go to humans. And so you're seeing the employment of recent computer science graduates fall off a cliff from a lot of programs. If you rewind, what, four years ago, what would we tell young people for a secure career, learn to code? And now the opposite of that is true. So it was more than eight years ago. It was during Obama. I think that's when learned to code came up, not four years ago. And I'm actually kind of thinking now, stay the course.

If you've learned to code, stay the course. It may not be a bad skill to have, considering where I think all of this is going. I think it's, you know, it would be really great if we could train monkeys to wash the dishes, which is what I see AI as. It doesn't mean that you don't watch them like a hawk and make sure they aren't just licking the plates and putting them away. That's a very good analogy.

Yes, AI is like watching monkeys doing the dishes, but they lick the plates and put them away. Precisely right. Precisely right. So I wouldn't trust them. I don't, I think that, you know, nonsense hype. Oh, it's the greatest thing. I've heard this as long as I've been around computers. It used to be expert systems. Oh, they're expert systems and they're going to do everything you want.

You know, oh, you won't need, I mean, I've heard this over and over and over again. I, okay, you know, I love the, I love the AI video stuff. I get nothing but joy watching some of those. Sure. Surprise, surprise. A company that makes video cards makes funny, videos. This is not foreign to me. I'm actually playing these clips in the hopes that my buddy, the oil baron, hears them because we have a little text group with a buddy. Three guys. One guy sells technology. He's in the pipeline. He sells technology to companies, mainly to call centers. And that's a great business because you make the sale and then you get another company to do the implementation, and for as long as that customer is paying, you know,

the Microsoft license per employee, my friend gets a piece of it. It's a great business. And so he's been selling AI solutions to call centers, which I can see the appeal of that, but I'm already myself feeling like, wow, I'd rather buy it from that company because I know that when I call that company, a human being from one of the the 50 states answers the phone. And I feel, again, you might want to stay the course on that. And just, you know, at a certain point, the AI is not going to be reliable enough.

And so he got really excited, the oil baron, got really excited because one of his engineers in the company came to and said, look, we have a $2 million software budget on these two particular accounting packages that are specifically for the oil sector. And of course they're sick of paying inflated prices and licenses, etc. But this engineer says, we're going to save $25,000, $500,000 a year by implementing Anthropics AI. And that's just the start, boss. And I'm thinking, oh, Lord, no, please, please. And I sent him the study from Stanford that shows that progressively these large language models are getting worse in things like math. things that might have to do with accounting. So I'm praying that he hears this and uses some caution.

Let's continue with Yang, who's just over the moon. So where are you on jobs long term? Look, Dario Amadee, the CEO of Anthropic, laid it out very clearly, and he's been doing so repeatedly, saying we're going to automate away up to 50% of entry-level white-collar jobs in the next several years. And I believe him. The easiest people to fire are the people you haven't hired yet, which again is why you see the hiring of recent college graduates heading down.

And the unemployment rate over 50%. The unemployment rate among college graduates is now the same or higher than non-college graduates for the first time in history. How do we fix that? I mean, you're a guy with big ideas. Universal Basic Income was one of yours. All right. Are you ready for the fix? What possibly, how possibly could we fix if no one's hiring mid-level white,

collar jobs. And for sure, with technological innovation, things change. We don't have typewriter pools anymore. There's all kinds of things that change. But typically the productivity gives people more jobs and different things to do. But what fix do you think that the UBI guy is so enamored by from the CEO of Anthropic? Can you even imagine how we're going to fix this problem? Not at all. You'll be astounded. How do we fix this entire issue? Check it out, check it out. You tend to tax things that you want to discourage and you want less of.

And we're going to be in a position where we want to shore up labor in every quarter, in every organization and environment. We should actually try to stop taxing labor because... Tax the agents instead? Yes, exactly, Becky. And by the way, Dario Amade, the second half of his statement, he said, we're going to automate away the white collar jobs. and you should tax us.

And since when does the CEO of a major company raise his hand and say, hey, tax me in mind? Because he sees the writing on the wall, and he knows that there's this massive backlash coming their way. Okay. So the CEO of a non-profitable company is saying, you should tax us. We're going to be so dangerous.

Come on. Well, nonprofits are the biggest. No, I mean, not for, he is not profitable. He's not a nonprofit. They just can't turn to profit. No, oh. Yeah. Not profitable.

No, none of these companies, except for Invidia, the only ones, they're the ones selling the boards. They're widely profitable. Nobody else is. So, oh, tax me. No. And according to Andrew Yang, who has seen the light, we're going to have riots. This is a little bit of the argument made around, frankly, retail sales in the Internet age, if you recall. The argument I would make, Andrew, is that escape velocity has been achieved.

Woo! Oh, everybody, hold on a second. Escape velocity! There's a show title. Escape velocity has been achieved. The argument I would make, Andrew, is that escape velocity has been achieved. I mean, these models are now going to be able to improve on their own. You know, like, we did it.

We made it. We did it. In my view, the biggest danger is this backlash that Dario is concerned about. And the backlash is going to get more and more pronounced. as people wake up and have their kids coming back from college and living in the basement and the implicit social contract of like the American way is being fractured. There is zero chance that this transition is not going to be rough for millions of people. They're always rough, but then we get through it and, you know, buggy whips and then you're making

carburetors. But this time I just don't see it. Like rough with a capital R and exclamation point and a giant underline? I mean, some numbers, but people know some of this. There are still over 2 million Americans who work at call centers right now, and we know AI is going to decimate that job. The big one, and Jamie Diamond referenced this just the other day. If you get to truck driving, then all bets are off, because this is the number one job in 28 states.

You're talking about millions of middle-aged men, for the most part, 10 to 15 percent of whom are military veterans, a lot of them are gun owners. So if you get to that occupations, occupation, then you're going to see, in my opinion, riots in the streets. Yeah, that's right. They're probably Republican, too. Riots in the streets. Yeah.

No. Okay. You know, I actually, I worked in a typing pool. That doesn't surprise me. Did they make you wear a miniskirt like on Mad Men? Yeah, well, that's the style. You know, the biggest thing I saw when word processor you know, quote-unquote word processors came to be,

was that the entire market for whiteout, the little jars of paint was wiped out, you know, and carbon paper. Tipx, wasn't that called Tipx? Was that the brand name? Was it white out? Was that it? Invented by the Davy Jones mom, I think. Yes.

From the monkeys. I don't know if I'd call it invented. She figured out how to put paint in a little bottle. Hey, podcasting. I mean, what did I really do? But, you know, it's like, you know, AI, what I'm afraid it's going to do is they're going to, okay, let's go back. Every city in the country has no bid contracts where they just, they buy some software and the software started out okay. The software, of course, keeps your data.

It doesn't allow the city to have any other software hooked in. And then every year that it goes up and it goes up and it goes up and it goes. up and it goes up. So this sales pitch is great. Oh, yeah, we've got AI and it'll be 30% less or 20% less. You know, that's a great sales pitch. Is it going to work any better? I doubt it. What I'm afraid of is that we're going to have, right now, we have a, we don't have enough communications officers at 911 locally. So they, they've farmed it out. AI. We hire contractors. And yes, there is an AI. routing system that is just the most frustrating thing in the world. It does not work. I've heard from other people that it's just, it's the same AI thing where they just don't understand what you're saying. I worked in customer service for years over the phone. I was a call center. We took lost and stolen card reports from people who'd lost their credit cards. They'd lost master charge cards.

and there's no way AI can have enough understanding to understand what people say. I mean, I had people call in and say, I'd go, can you give me a driver's license number? Because we had to have ways to identify that they were the real people. And also, if someone used their card, we could identify that this was a fraud account. And I had people go, hold on, and they'd come back and they'd read me their car license plate number. Great. And, you know, it's like people are, you know, it's hurting cats. And I've had some AI sales systems call me.

And it's really fun to just screw with them and just, you know, grind up as much data as you can, you know. Oh, you rebel you. You're a rebel. What I'm afraid of is it's going to go into air traffic control that they're going to have AI tools for that. Yeah, not on my watch. It's not going to. That I don't see that. happening. Well, but there are already a lot of air traffic control centers are contracted out.

They aren't all run by the FAA. Yeah. Okay. You know, and they only have, they only have one guy on, oh, this already exists. I think the AI is going to. I know a lot of air traffic controllers. We are a big hit with the ATC. This show is a big hit. But not all, but not all of, especially the smaller airports have the contractors. None. None. It's just none. It's just, it's just. Just the open frequency. Yeah. I'm going to push back on that and we will have our ATC people let us know what is happening. I'm skeptical that that's going to happen anytime soon.

Well, everyone's talking about modernizing the system. Yeah, sure. They've been talking about that since Obama. And the one thing AI can't do is it doesn't have gut instinct. Humans are the best pattern recognition devices ever created. Yes. And we get feelings about things. Like, you know, when I'm going through a lot of data, I can say, oh, there's a mistake.

You can't, you can't make a device have that kind of knowledge. Well, you are preaching to the choir. I'm in complete agreement. However, the answer to this is always, not yet, but it's coming soon. Don't worry. We're just in the first quarter. It's all coming. If I could only get a few more megawatts of power, it's coming.

How long will it take, Andrew Yang? How far do you think this is out before it hits? Well, so I might have said a certain time frame, Andrew. After I had this AI conference, it's in the next 12 months. Woo! The whole industry right now is bracing for impact, and they see it more clearly. I mean, one of the things my friends in Silicon Valley say is, like, they're, you know this case-shaped economy that you all talk about? Like there's a kind of a case-shaped reaction to the AI curve where some of them are not sleeping and just sitting there and becoming superpowered on these tools and seeing what they can do.

And then the other people are moving to the woods. Literally, that's the reaction from the people closest to this. Okay. So I had to go look at this conference. And I didn't have enough hours in the day to watch every single interview, every single person speak. But this is, first of all, the whole interview. industry is a circle jerk. It's, Nvidia is funding everybody.

They're, they're putting the money in. And then those companies like OpenAI, chat GPT, they buy more Nvidia cards and then chat GPT invests in other. The whole, the whole conference is about companies that are, that are just doing amazing things with AI.

And they're all startups. And there's no money. Then there's no revenue, well, there's revenue, but there's no profit at all. Just go look at the API. pricing of any of these things. I mean, you can rack up 50 bucks in an hour if you're not careful.

If you're using the application programming interface, that's the real cost that they're passing on to startups and other people who want to do something commercial with the large language models. All this 20 bucks a month is just to get you interested. Right. And so sent, I'm sorry. Well, different companies are going around to little towns. all across America, seeing how they can build a data center there, take all the water and take

all the power, essentially. Well, yeah, it's not even little towns. Towns like Virginia. Towns like, you know, in Indiana. I mean, this is not even small towns. So it's, it's, this entire thing is. A scam. It's a scam.

But it's not a scam that's unlike microcomputers when they first came out. People said they do all these things. they still don't do what I want to do. You know, I mean, they do, I've adjusted to the tool. The tool has never adjusted to me. So, you know, yeah. Exactly. And so Sam Altman sits down.

Sam Altman, I had to cut out a lot of white space on this guy because it's so difficult when I'm such a visionary. I, you know, well, and so right off the back. the guy moderating this fireside chat is a board member. Hello again. If I keep doing this, I understand that the vacancy is 60 minutes. Maybe I can, if this investing thing doesn't work out, maybe I can do that. Another full disclosure, Sam is a friend. I'm also on the board of Open AI.

So I promise you, I will not only ask him softball questions. I will channel my inner bread bear and, uh, and, uh, and, uh, and, uh, and, and, uh, and it's a gooper. So, Sam, let me start with what I think is the question that is on everybody's mind. Oh, oh, what is the question that is on everybody's mind? Oh, mind reader. What do you think? What is the, what is the big question that is on everybody's mind? Uh, is the bar, uh, no host? Cooper. So, Sam, let me start with what I think is the question.

the question that is on everybody's mind, which is, where are we today in the world of AI? Where are we? I think at some point in the last few months, we really have crossed a threshold into major economic utility of these models. It may have happened a little bit earlier, but there was such an overhang before we figured out how to use these, and we had to not only continue to make the models get smarter, but figure out sort of the plumbing to make them easy to use. use where we're now in a world where the models are astounding people with the work they can do. Yeah, videos on X. And I think this has been most noticeable in coding, but it's also happening in science.

It's happening in many fields of knowledge work. Sort of with disorienting speed where people are saying, like, man, these things that I thought were still years away are happening now. Notice he gives no examples. It's just things and stuff. It's amazing and astounding. And I have my job shifted from doing direct technical worker, you know, legal work to managing a team of agents doing this work. This is going to go much further. I think we are at a very steep part of the curve.

And right now maybe you can trust, say, an AI software engineer to do a multi-hour task. Very soon it will be a multi-day task and then a multi-week task. But you can't trust it past a couple of weeks. Okay. After that, I think the paradigm will shift again, and it'll feel like these AI systems are just connected to your life, to your company, whatever, proactively thinking, working all the time, and having full context on whatever they need to know and just sort of doing stuff like you would trust a senior employee to do. Oh, man, he's going to the trust thing already. It's like, oh, you can just trust them. It's going to be fine.

Now, what, so this all startups. It's all about startups. here's Altman talking about what the startups really want. And do you think that companies have a real understanding of how these systems can help them and reimagine how they do their businesses? Some do, some don't. Certainly the new generation of startups thinks differently

than any generation of startups before. It used to be that when we would talk to startups, they would talk about how many employees they needed. Now, they generally don't want to hire, lot they think that will slow them down and they're all focused on how much compute they can get you know can i reserve this much capacity can i do a cloud deal for that can i do a cog deal oh what is that cost of goods okay can i how much compute can you give me sam i need a cog deal they can get you know can i reserve this much capacity can i do a cloud deal for that can i get

this many tokens and i think that is that is a mental shift that digger companies are going through more slowly but some are starting to do that uh one place I think you can see this happening is engineering orgs and product orgs talking about they're doubling, tripling what they're planning to ship this year. And that has not happened before. Yeah. Unfortunately, the companies that do, I don't know, oil accounting software, they don't seem to be able to promise they're going to triple their output of software.

Isn't that interesting? Only Anthropic can deliver this. You know, this sounds awful lot like the Jetson. with cogs. Cogs, yes. Now, go ahead. So this is what always strikes me. It's like you can have a whole bunch of people who are college educated.

I'm not college educated, by the way, and John laments that all the time. Me neither. Right. I just jumped into the world and flailed. What they're not doing is none of these things are looking at the most mundane tasks. Everybody's trying to do something. spectacular. You know, we do have way too much data out there. I mean, I can't read all of the legislative bills that come through my state, much less all the states or the United States.

That's the kind of mundane thing I'd like. I'd just like to have a good, quick summary of how many states are doing this and that so I can see better trends. Well, I can actually, I think the large language models are reasonably good at condensing a document. I think that's, that's kind of here. So, so we need. But that's, but that's not a trillion dollar product. That's helping Mimi, you know. Exactly.

Well, it's helping not just Mimi, but every, everybody who's interested in this across the country, maybe 50 of us. Everything that, what they're trying to do is they're trying to swing for the fences and make a big home run and make a big deal. Yeah. Because these kids don't have enough experience in the world and it's all ego driven. And all I'm hearing is sales pitch. And I know that the big thing that always happened when I worked in any industry, the salesman sold, oversold what the engineers could actually deliver.

I'd like to hear from the engineers here. I'd like to hear from the people who are actually working on the products, rolling their eyes when they hear this vaporware that everyone's coming up with. Well, the big thing, and this is kind of the, the nuclear. Cleas of these four clips of two more is AGI. This is the thing that we were promised, I think, five years ago. Artificial general intelligence. Then we kind of made a, that term shifted to AGI. It was artificial generative intelligence when it was only really making videos and songs.

And now AGI is back. and so our Schill board member here is going to ask this very important question. How soon until we get to AGI? And what would you think AGI? What is your understanding of this acronym AGI? It's, you know, it's corporate Silicon Valley speak. Come on. Tell me what you think,

artificial general intelligence. What will that really be? I can't find general intelligence anywhere for the most part. I mean, it's like, I don't know. I have no idea, and it just makes me itch. Okay, well, I'm glad it makes you itch. Let's listen to the question and Sam's answer. And you'll be quite vocal in saying that artificial general intelligence will come sooner

rather than later. You want to share your views on how close we are and how soon it will come? At this point, I think the definition of AGI really matters. This is what we call moving the goalpost. Yes. So we need, oh, no, we need to change the definition of what AGI is again. At this point, I think the definition of AGI really matters. Some people would say, we already got there.

Some people say it's very close. Some people say we're kind of, you know, it's maybe still a year away. but in any case, that word has ceased to have much meaning. There are maybe two thresholds that we could talk about that are interesting. Number one, when is there going to be more of the world's cognitive capacity inside of data centers than outside of them? And that, to me, feels like maybe it could happen. Huge error bars, I could be totally wrong. Oh, oh, Mimi, huge error bars.

Oh, I like error bars. What are error bars? What is that? I don't know. It sounds like a good place to go drink. Exactly. To me, feels like maybe it could happen. Huge air bars, I could be totally wrong.

But maybe that could happen by like late 2028. And that's an extraordinary shift in the world. The other one is when can a CEO of a major company, a president of a major country, a Nobel Prize winning scientist, when can they not do their job without making heavy use of AI? Okay. So no answer. Shifting the goalposts.

I really don't know sooner than later. Now, my final clip. And he even, this is the business model, the business model of AI. From Sam Altman, the man who is credited with pioneering the industry. And he even says in this clip that the business model has failed. in history. This is not AI, but this is astounding when I hear this. Open AI does a lot of things that look weird.

We spend a ton of money on infrastructure in advance of revenue. We do new business models like ads that seem like, you know, maybe not the most profitable thing we could do. A long list of other things. But we have this fundamental belief in abundance of intelligence. and that one of the most important things in the future is that we make intelligence, you know, to borrow an old phrase from the energy industry that didn't quite work too cheap to meter. We want to flood the world with intelligence.

We want people to just use it. So he's literally saying they want it to be like the energy sector. And as the energy sector said, it'll be too cheap to meter. And he's saying that that failed. And for some reason, this is no, this is direct energy. He's burning. He's burning energy. and somehow this is going to work.

It's astounding this answer. We make intelligence, you know, to borrow an old phrase from the energy industry that didn't quite work too cheap to meter. We want to flood the world with intelligence. We want people to just use it for everything. We want this to just be something that the future generation doesn't think about. They expect everywhere. And everybody has access to, like, geniuses as many as they need in any area that they need. and this principle, which is one of our kind of like top guiding principles,

does lead to a lot of behavior that would look less natural for other companies. And one of those is we really want to get out of this world that we have been in, that we still think we're on a trajectory to stay on without changing what we do, of always being capacity constrained. Fundamentally, our business, and I think the business of every other model provider, is going to look like selling tokens. That's it. You know, they may come from bigger or smaller models, which makes them more or less expensive.

Tocons. They may use more or less reasoning, which also makes them more or less expensive. They may be running all the time in the background trying to help you out. They may run only when you need them if you want to pay less. We see a future where intelligence is a utility like electricity or water, and people buy it from us on a meter and use it for whatever they want to use it for. tokens. We're selling tokens for the bumper cars. Tocons. Okay. This cons, okay, my experience, I know how to look things up. I know how to dig stuff out of the web. I know how to, you know, find things. And I have to teach other people, both my age and way younger, how to Google search, how to other search, how to find, you know, information from cities and counties. counties and states and the federal government. Everything's there. You just have to know where to look and you have to have the patience and the time. I mean, I have read every single city council meeting

minutes going back to when this town was started. It's not exciting, but it gives me a lot of intelligence and it gives me a lot of history. And it gives me a lot of, I can see how things have happened. I'm one in a billion. Most people don't even know how to look up. I mean, if it's not on TikTok or if it's not on Facebook, that's it. So how is this product that he's trying to describe going to create intelligence and people who've lost their ability to have creativity and curiosity? Well, how come you are not invited to this conference to provide a counterpoint. I'm so surprised. You're on the West Coast. You could have popped right over. Yeah, and I'd be wondering the whole time about the error bar if it was host or no host.

Let's thank some people, Mimi, who have once again supported us very kindly to help with the Medicare donut hole. And we will need to eventually have a number because we just, I'm extremely curious what this is going to cost. The bills haven't started showing up yet. You know, we'll be getting bills for the next, you know. Oh, years. Years. Years. Years.

Yeah. Um, so the no agenda show for, and now when it's 18th year with a podcaster down, has been running on the value for value model. And that means you can support us with time, talent, or with treasure. And it's a very simple concept. You know, you don't have to buy tokens. You know, you're not going to get, not selling any tokens here. No, all you do is you listen to the show and if you think you got some value out of it,

then you say, you know, I'll send something back to those guys. It is that simple. And the time and talent portion is done in many ways. We have three end-of-show mixes, which are all original productions, no AI slop. Very proud to be able to say that. It's not always the case. So good to see people coming back. And it feels better.

It just feels better. Can't, can't. And I'm MVP. I'm sorry. man, but, you know, when I get real end-of-show mixes, they're always going to have some kind of priority. Artwork is another way

that people can support the show by using your favorite AI model. It's still very valid for this. And it's still cheap. You're not spending a lot of tokens on creating artwork. And we thank Nessworks, who I'm pretty sure this was a hybrid. He emailed me.

He still does a lot of Photoshop work as well as using some AI to combine those two. So he uses it as a tool, as an artist would. And it paid off. The art that we had for episode 1849 was titled Ho's Water. And hosewater, yes. Actually, I forgot to look at the trolls. We have 1,275 trolls. The audience is dwindling, Mimi, but they're still hanging in there. They're still hanging in there. They're still hanging in there. Like, oh John's not there. I'm not going to live in. This was a sexy nurse with a get well heart for John and I'm here to see John.

I thought it was an appropriate piece. I liked it. It was good. Now, you and I didn't choose together. No. Because I really want to just let you off the hook once you're done. I'm amazed you. It was like three and a half hours we did on the last show with a lot of donations to read, but it was still, it was still quite. long. So when John comes back, then we'll get back to grousing about artwork. But thank you, Nessworks. We appreciate it. Well done, sir. And you can go to no agenda, art generator.com and throw your hat into the ring and try and come up with some artwork. The sexy nurses, I think we

may have done that one now. So let's see if we can come up with something different. Now for our executive and associate executive producers, part of the VALIA for Value Model. We thank everybody who supports the show $50 and above. If you are fortunate enough to be able to support us with $200 or above. Not only will we read your note if it's not too crazy long, and sometimes even if it is, because we consider that to be show content. You also receive an associate executive producership,

which is good as gold in Hollywood. One day you might even be blown up at the Oscars. You can put it on an IMB.com and be right up there with Dana Brunetti, or $300 above, and you become an executive producer. And we kick it off with our top donor, our supporter today with $1,000, Sir Salahouser, who also supported us on the last show. He comes in with $1,000. I do not see a note from him.

I don't either. So I will give him a double-up karma. You've got karma. And the next one is Jason Calacanus, who I have never been able to meet. J-Cal, J-Cal, yeah, J-Cal, from the All- Things In, the All-In podcast. podcast. Austin, Texas, $8.88.88. Thank you very much, Jason. Jason is, I mean, he's, he's supported the show throughout the history of it, and he's generally a nice guy. You know, there's so much to make fun of him,

but he is a nice guy, and it's appreciated, and I know that he misses John. Hence the, uh, give John a reason to live donation of $888.88. sense. We all miss John doing this, believe me. Yeah, we do. Up next, Elizabeth Prefontein, and she says, and she comes in with $639, I shed a tear when I heard the news. May this donation from, oh, it's Canadian dollars. Oh, so it's probably a thousand Scandinavian. Probably. Yeah, I think it is, actually. It looks like it's blue. So, yeah. Made this donation from Candinavia help with John's hospital bill. I can now join the roundtable and I want to be known as Dame Elizabeth of the North, one of the best

financial analysts out there. And you will be damed as well as we'll do title changes today. Dames and Nightinges will be done when John is back so that nobody feels shortchanged. No offense, Mimi. But, you know, we are the official holders of the sword. I don't have a sword. You don't. It's good. Hence why I'm called the wife. Yes. No sword for you. The next is Highland Craigs from Colorado Springs, Colorado. $485.

And it says, thank you both. We're praying for JCD. Love the Highland Craigs. Very nice. Kim and Mike Hutchins in Ennisburg Falls, Vermont's 400. And they say, here's a donation of 400 to the best podcast in the universe. This puts us over the threshold of knighthood, which I will say for a future donation. All the best to Devorak and his recovery.

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I have a feeling that you might even get Kim or Mike Hutchins on the phone if you call them. Very nice. Thank you, Kim and Mike. And the next one is Jacob Schultz. Why am I not singing a amount? There we go. I made a donation of $33.83.88 to secure an executive producer credit for the show for my mom's birthday on 311, 2026. Please add her to the birthday list.

We both listen to the show and enjoy talking about it. about it. Jingles, if possible, health karma, and Scott Simon, if it wasn't already played, which it may never be a one on the show. Thanks and give our best wishes to John on his recovery, Jacob Schultz. Suffer and succotash. I'm Scott Simon. You've got to play some Scott Simon. Peter Fantino is in Jasper, Tennessee. $333.88. No note, so double up karma for him. You've got. Karma. Okay, Sandra Walker from Roswell, Roswell, Georgia, 333 and 88 cents.

Dear Adam and John and Mimi, John, we miss you, get well soon. This donation brings me to Damehood accounting below. Please call me Dame Sisi Mom. I would like kombucha and grass fed steak from Case and Sea cattle at the roundtable. Calling all homeschool families in North Georgia or families that are feds up with government indoctrination camps. Have you heard about classical conversations? They offer a federated, decentralized, Christ-centered approach to homeschooling. It's based on the classic

education model where we teach our kids the skills to become lifelong learners and redeem our own education in the process. I mean interrupt you for a second. You homeschooled your kids, didn't you? One of them. Which one? Jay? Yeah. She turned out just fine. She needs to get a raise, Tina said. Just throwing that out there. I already did. I already did. Are you familiar with the classical education model?

Do you know what that is, what that means? Well, this is actually fairly new compared to what we did, but we did base it on reading, writing, arithmetic. You know, homeschooling was very rewarding for me. I finally learned a lot of things I never knew before. Bingo. There you go. It's good for kids and for mom. Right. So Sandra goes on and she says we read real books, including the classics and we teach handwriting. There are classical conversations, aka ACC, communities all over the world. The families in each community give their own special flair. My family has been part of the CC community in Roswell, Georgia for over 10 years. Not all the families at the Roswell community, listen to Noah Jenner. but the topics you cover come up on a regular in class.

We also have a few crackpots in our group. Our particular community does not allow screens in the classroom. Most of our students, even teens, don't have phones. And get this, we have sock hops, plus other screen-free social gatherings. CC of Roswell is enrolling now for the next school year. We're praying hard for more girls to join our middle and high school levels. Oh, I'll bet you are. If you are near Roswell, Georgia, come check us out.

We meet once a week on Thursdays. Email is Sandra Homemaker at gmail.com. Or for more info, go to www. Classical Conversations. So it's classicalconversations.com to find a community near you. Oh, lovely. I like that. So do you think it's hard?

It's hard to get girls into these? Well, no, but what happens when you start getting, I mean, when they're little, it doesn't matter. so much, but as you start getting older kids, the boys, you know, are drawn to where the girls are. So having events with girls is a big deal. Sock hops are better when girls are involved. No kidding. Yeah.

Yeah, absolutely. Barinet surplus is in Fudendal in the Netherlands. He says, in the morning, Mimi, John, and Adam. I'm at the end now. I've been kicked to the end. I was truly shocked to hear that heart attacks are going on around. Oh, I was really shocked, I tell you, to hear that heart attacks. attacks are going on around here.

Got to read right. While I hope to soon hear John moaned about his experience, I must admit, Mimi confirms that behind a great man there truly is a great woman. I mean, wow! This donation finally makes me a baron, so I request a title change from baronet, surplus to Baron Illuminati. Thank you for your courage and warm regards from the lost hellhole called the Netherlands. Corey Bazanet, maybe?

Pittsfield, Massachusetts, $33.33 and $33. Which, and then my mothers will do the other one. The next 33 and 33 is Aldi Keprovnik in Muchen, which is Deutschland, Deutsche. I think it's Adi, not Aldi is where you get your groceries. Oh, okay. Adi, yes, Adi is in in Munchin. We'll give them both a double up karma.

You've got Karma Yale Reinstein in Victoria Harbor, Ontario, Canada, 33333, long-time boner, first-time donor. That means you get a deduced. You've been deduced. Listener for years on and off, John was the great uncle I didn't have. Prayers for John. Okay.

I'm not sure what to do with this one. We'll try it. Sir Wirt from Batvia. New York, $3.33.33.3.3. C attached note. I don't know what that means. Oh, you don't have the notes? I don't have that note. Okay. Hold on. I have the notes. I have the notes here. To John, God bless you and get well soon. May the karma of the show all come to you. Wirt and Julian, I'm not quite sure. Sir Dirt is his official night name. Thank you very much.

Lane LaMereau in Gilbert, Arizona, 33. No note. Double up karma for you. You've got. Karma. And we have Craig in LaGrange, North Carolina, $319. Craig in North Carolina, this is $319. donation represents my prediction of 19 March for when John will make his first appearance on the show after his recovery.

Ah, Kalsi bet, Kalsi bet. There we go. Kalshi bet. Okay. If you would like to use this prediction idea as a donation strategy to help you with you and John, you're welcome to. Thanks for all you do and I wish him a speedy recovery. Prayer karma, please. VR. Now you got it. You've got prayers. Dame Beth is next, $288.88. Associate Executive producer. She's from Tucson, Arizona. And she says, nice job, Mimi. counting on you to bust JCDA out of the big house soon.

When is he swinging the big blade again? I'll be the, when he is swinging the big blade again, I'll be the Viscountess of Baja, Arizona. Until then, thank you for your courage and jailbreak karma for John from Dame Beth. You got it. You got karma. What's that? I'm stepping on stuff.

That's okay. Joe Cambron, Plymouth, Michigan, $250. I don't. Okay, so I know that Joe, he produces an airline blog called Enelria, which is airline spelled backwards. And it's horrible for me to have to remember to go to his website. Because, hey, the only thing, I can only write it in reverse is difficult. Enelria. And he wishes John a quick recovery.

I know. But Joe has a lot of aviation stuff. Oh, I'll go to it. Yeah. Oh, yeah. He's got all this stuff. Yeah. If you like Captain Steve, you'll love Joe.

You'll love Joe. I'm sure I will. Are you doing the next one? Yeah, sure. Dame Isabel Pearson, Manchester in the UK, 250, a donation aimed to celebrate the Devorax and spur JCD to recovery. Turns out you are both a couple of treasures. This is Dame Isabel Pearson, current title,

first female listener of no agenda. Requesting title upgrade to baroness of Gers. Gers. How did you pronounce it? Southwest France. Gers. Gers. Where Mimi's Too Many Eggs book is a cornerstone of our farm to table kitchen recipes.

Wow. No, we actually have a French version of the book. I just haven't gotten it published yet. Really? Did you do that with Chad GPT? No, I did it with a translator. Wow. who owed me a favor.

Wow, big favor, clearly. Requesting the title upgrade, if you can ever persuade John the Travel, it would be my pleasure to welcome you to Pure Gardairs. And that would be in Gers. Baroness Isabel Pearson. Thank you very much, Baroness.

That's wonderful. Tyler Sink, Benton, Illinois, $236. And no note, so a double up karma. You've got. Double up. Karma. Now you'll notice, Mimi, as we get lower in the amounts, the longer the notes get.

It's an amazing thing. Yes, it happens. Colin Fanon, Parts Unknown, 2333. In the morning, I had a proud dad moment after my first donation. My five-year-old happened to be listening to the podcast when my business, Fanon Fitness, was mentioned. She lit up immediately and said, Dad, that's you. For her, hearing her dad's name on a podcast was a big deal. And honestly, a pretty strong incentive.

for me to donate again. And for all you sandbaggers and douchebags out there, donate for the kids. But then I heard my beloved podcaster get called weak-risted, and we can't have that. Oh, this is long, long backstory on that. Mr. Curry, it just so happens that grip strength is one of my many specialties. My only question is, when does day one begin for you to earn your new nightly title, Sir Adam, breaker of hands. Yeah, this is Colin, and I did the intake form.

He's a personal fitness trainer, and I haven't gotten around to getting started. He offered me free fitness training. So, Colin, thank you. You're right. And just spitballing. He goes on. Linda Lou, what if you didn't just sell your client's resumes that get results, but also gave them a handshake that gets them a better starting compensation package?

Because weak handshakes get light paychecks. For a handshake that gets you paid, visit noagenda.fit. Oh, he's got it set up now. And for any and all your fitness and nutrition needs, think of Fanon Fitness as your online solution. Visit FanonFitness.com to book a free consult or reach me directly at Info at Fanon, F-A-N-N-Fitness.com. And two Kamala jingles followed by the horn.

I don't know. I don't know what Kamala jingles we have. I can kind of, hold on a second. And I got a comma. If you play the same one twice, no one will know. This will sound just like her. There's an interesting. Let me see.

How about Fweedom? That's a fan favorite Fweedom. And what's the other thing you wanted? You wanted to. Oh, Fomer. That's what he means by the horn thing. Okay. Hold on.

Sorry. Just taking a moment here. And where's my foamer, people? Fomer. There we go. Finally. Oh, listen to that horn. And, of course, I screwed up the Fweedham jingle.

Here we go. Fulim. Finally. Thank goodness. All right. Got it. Then we have lavender. I'll do that one to let you read the next one.

Yeah, sure you will. Yeah, sure. Lavender blossoms. Northville, Michigan, $2.72.72. And I love their products. Yes. I absolutely do. That's Sircal from lavender blossoms.org, a fabulous product. Indeed. Thank you. Yep. This stuff's great. Zach Metzinger, South Lake, Texas. Huh. So all the rich people live, $208.88. Listen to Mimi's analogy between old world shoemakers lamenting the industrialization of their livelihood and the rise of vibe coding.

I feel she's missing one important fact. While industrialization created equivalent or better products cheaply and faster, AI coding tools create 80% solutions which are a nightmare to understand because they weren't created by a human mind. Imagine if the steam-powered shoe machine were, instead of being carefully designed by engineers to mechanically duplicate the fine art of shoe making, just one of millions of Rube Goldberg-esque contraptions built by a million monkeys

selected only because it produced something close to the desired product. This is why AI Slop exists. There is no intelligence in AI. In fact, there might be too much intelligence and too little common sense. AI simply allows people who shouldn't be designing systems to create incomprehensible one-off products. Get well soon, John. I think we agree with you on that one. Absolutely, we do.

Elijah Hines, recita, California, $208.88 in the morning, John and Adam and Mimi. after my sister-in-law, the weird poet, told me if you're ever going to donate and not be a douchebag, now is the time to do it. I knew that I could no longer bear the shame of being a douchebag and had to donate. Please redoosh me and give John an extra dose of health karma. Thanks for all you do, Elijah Hines. You've been deduished. You've got karma. And coming in with 20888 from Bensonville, Illinois, moving off his typical date in the amount with the 8.88, it is Eli the coffee guy.

Missing John behind the mic this week and wishing him a speedy recovery, happy to say the show was still as good as ever. Mimi did a fantastic job sitting in. I love the fresh perspective. And she has as many good stories as John. Yes, and previous vocations. I actually have more. Oh, those gloves are off. to John, we love you.

But like I say about my own wife, sometimes a guy can kick beyond his coverage. Mimi is a pure class act and our prayers are with you both. For producers out there and get more nation needing some great coffee, here's what you do. Visit gigawak coffee roasters.com and use code ITM 20 for 20% off your order. And whatever you do, stay caffeinated. Says Eli the coffee guy, the coffee guy, the coffee guy.

Eli the Kathy guy. Yes, all right. I can't see the note again. Yeah, I've got this note. I'm sorry. No, that's okay. This is from Rita Steckich, Steckich, I think.

Ogden Doones, Indiana. $200 and $15. It's a switcheroo. Hey, John and Adam. This is Rachel Steckich from Ogden Doons, Indiana on the shore of Lake Michigan, with a switcheroo donation for my son, Tom. Your show is always a topic of conversation between us.

John's Boomer perspective, tips of the day are wonderful. Adam, your European knowledge and conspiracy theories really make this the best podcast in the universe or of the universe she says. Four more years. $200.50 a donation. Thanks for all your hard work sincerely. Rita Sticch.

And I will make sure that the switcheroo takes place, Rita. No problem. So the next two with no notes are for $200. One is Radu Maranescu from, that's a good word. Petteschi, Romania, it looks like. Oh, yeah. We don't have many donors from Romania. Thank you. No. Pettesti, yes, Patesti. Radu. Thank you. And then Martin Martinson in Arlington, Texas, also $200.

Brian, Brian, oh, what did I call him? I called him Ryan. Oh, I got... Martin, Brian. Sorry, it's a brother. Sorry. Rehaved him. Karma. And coming in with her usual $200 is the aforementioned Linda Lupacelup. from Castle Rock, Colorado, and she wants Jobs, Karma. And as always, she says, for a competitive edge with a resume that gets results,

go to Imagemakers Inc.com. Linda applies executive level positioning to career transitions at every stage. That's ImageMakers, Inc. with a K and work with Linda Liu, Duchess of Jobs and writer of winning resumes. Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs. Let's vote for jobs. Yica, karma. Sir Dr. Sharkey, St. Peter's, Missouri, $200. Dear John, you'd better get well faster because Mimi is knocking it out of the park

and could become your permanent replacement. Please eat all the mac and cheese you possibly can. It will make you better. Trust me, I'm a doctor. Love and kisses. Duke, Sir, Dr. Sharkey, S.G. of FEMA Regions 4 and 7. P.S. Adam, please send as much mac and cheese karma to John as you can. You slaves can get used to mac and cheese.

Mac and cheese. Maconone and cheap cheddar melted together. Mac and cheese, mac and cheese, mac and cheese, mac and cheese. Mac and cheese thought. Everybody. There it is. And that concludes our executive and associate executive producers for episode 1,850 of the best podcasting universe. Thank you to all of these producers.

Once again, these are real credits that you just received. and you can even check that by going to IMDB.com. And if you don't already have one, open up an account. Seems that some people actually do it for you. So there are thousands of no agenda producers in there, including some big Hollywood names. So give it a shot. And of course, we'll thank the rest of our donors,

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Thank you for your courage and your support. Our formula is this. We go out. We hit people in the mouth. Water. Shut up. Shut up. How are we doing on time?

Oh, goodness. I got a little bit of time left. Somehow it's not that hard to fill the... fill the hours with you, Mimi. It's kind of working. I don't know what that is. It seems to work. Do you have anything else on your list that you wanted to play here? Well, actually, this was just something that made me laugh. And, you know, while watching our federal government in action, it's called The Amusing Mr. Kennedy. The Amusing Mr. Kennedy, okay.

Isn't it a fact that if President Biden had discovered life on Mars when he was president, he would have immediately sent it money? I don't believe so. Oh, you don't. Okay. Well, I appreciate your newly found fiscal conservatism. Yeah. Kennedy is always a funny guy. So you have to watch like hours and hours.

And then it's like, there's something funny here. Oh, well, yes. Yeah. Welcome to our world. Yes, exactly. It takes forever to come up with the clips and listen to it because I have to listen to everything. And I have to, it's, you know, this is not trivial. And John always makes it sound so easy. This is the problem.

We make it look easy. That's what I always tell them. You got to grouse more. Oh, so hard doing these clips. It's killing me. I just saw on, you know, that Michigan shooter. turns out the FBI did a active shooter drill at that very synagogue just a few months ago. Isn't that interesting?

Ah, well, they need the layout. Always got to wonder how that works. Let me see. I have a series of clips that, yeah, we'll just wrap it up with these. this is from NPR. And it's about the Department of Homeland Security. And while NPR is stupid and, you know, the things that they put in here, it's all things that we've been warning about for the entire length of this show.

No, the Department of Homeland Security existed when the show came into being. But DHS by itself is just such a weird, and they're not, funded now. So the airports are starting to clog up because TSA agents and this is the first week, I believe that they haven't gotten paid. So it, you know, and it's all, I mean, I'm all for getting rid of Department of Homeland Security. They already kicked Chrissy Nome out. You got your blood. You've funded again. But this thing is, everything's underneath it. And it just feels like a quagmire. It's got Coast Guard. It's got TSA. It's, got FEMA.

You know, so the thing's a mess. Yep. And where were these agencies before DHS? Where did they? I know Coast Guard bumped around a lot, but then TSA didn't exist, I guess, until 9-11, which was also DHS. But, I mean, what is their job now? Is it just to protect the homeland?

like SS officers? What is your view of what this is? Well, wasn't TSA under the Border Patrol originally? Or was that where they removed? It could be, yeah. I don't know. It just seems like, let's put them here, let's put them there. I am not clear about what they're up to with that.

Meanwhile, aren't a lot of TSA guys now contract workers? So they're getting paid still? Oh, this I don't know. I know FEMA has a lot of contract. All of this is, in my opinion, a big money sink. I mean, TSA by itself is like, okay, right. You know, we were really worried about people hijacking planes. And I guess we kept to continue to be worried.

And then we were worried about something that never happened, which, you know, people had liquid in their shoes and they're going to blow everything up. and so we'd take her shoes off, we can't have water bottles, and just all of this security theater. And now DHS is under duress because of ice falling under DHS, although ICE has been funded separately with $70 billion. So, you know, withholding payment from DHS is only going to make DHS people angry. And I think we should look at DHS in general. but NPR had this interesting, interesting feature about DHS surveillance. And some of it is stupid, but there's some merit to it.

It's worth a laugh in a couple of these clips. Today on the show, we're going to be talking about how the Department of Homeland Security is surveilling people in new ways, because you both, along with NPR's Meg Anderson, have been digging into a bunch of different tools. that DHS is using to track both people who are in the United States illegally, but also U.S. citizens. And I want to start with this example of this woman in Minneapolis named Emily, who your story kind of opens with as well. Kat, tell us about who she is and what her experience kind of shows. Yeah, so Emily's experience was back in late January. She was out driving around her neighborhood in Minneapolis, patrolling for ICE as a constitutional observer.

I want that's what I want a business. What do you do? I am a constitutional observer. You mean someone who just observes government under the constitution? I guess. Can you blow a whistle? No, maybe. Sorry, she was out driving around her neighborhood in Minneapolis, patrolling for ice as a constitutional observer. I'll just say we're only ID Emily by her first name because she fears retribution from the federal government. She told me she was following an ice vehicle at a safe distance into a parking lot.

when a mass agent leaned out the window, took a picture of her and her license plate, and then rolled down the window and addressed Emily by name and recited her home address to her. Emily told us that it really shook her. Their message was not subtle, right? They were, in effect, saying we see you, we can get to you whenever we want to. And it did scare me. Emily says she didn't know. They didn't say that.

Okay. In effect, they said that. So they looked at her license plate, I guess. The own address to her. You know, Emily told us that it really shook her. Their message was not subtle, right? They were, in effect, saying we see you, we can get to you whenever we want to. And it did scare me.

Emily says she didn't know how they pulled up her information so quickly. And that was one of the things we were really trying to figure out with this reporting was, you know, we were collecting dozens of stories, talking to people, combing through court documents. to really try to understand how is this surveillance web that DHS is spinning affecting real people on the ground. Surveillance web. Okay. Surveillance web. You know, there's also a lot of questions out there about what kind of information DHS and federal agents are collecting on observers like Emily.

There was a case in Maine, a woman who was recording, another. observer who was recording federal agents on her. I love this observer. This is great. What are you? I'm a constitutional observer. Phone. Her name's Colleen Fagan. And she was watching ice agents. And as she was watching them with her phone, they were seemingly recording her face and her license plate. And she recorded this video. Exactly. Yeah. That's what we're doing. Yeah. Why are you taking my information down? Because we have a nice little database. Oh, good. And now you're considered domestic terrorists. We're videotaping you.

All right. First of all, screw you, DHS guy. What are you doing? Oh, we have a nice of the database. You're domestic terrorist. That guy is out of line. So I'm going to give him that. She's not a domestic terrorist.

No. But have any of these people ever done a ride along with their local police department? Oh, no. They just, all a cab, baby. All cops are bastards. They have no idea what cops do. Do they know that when they scan their credit card, their membership card at the grocery store, that they're in a giant database that says what they're most likely to buy?

Yeah, but I get points. I get points for that. I get points. I get points. I get free goodies. I get points. See, the big thing up here right now are flock cameras. Yes.

And flock cameras are like, oh, they, they grab the license plate number and they keep a database. It's coming up. So you can hear there. They tell her that they have a, quote, nice little database and that they are considering her a domestic terrorist. I will say that DHS has denied having a database like this several times since that video went pretty viral. Outgoing secretary, Christy Knoem, denied it in front of Congress just last week.

Todd Lyons, who's the acting director for ICE, has also denied it in front of Congress. DHS also denied it to us in a statement that we got from them. You know, we did ask DHS why agents are taking pictures of protesters' faces or license plates, and they did not respond to that question when we asked them. So, you know, we don't know if there is a database like this, despite them denying it, you know, it could be that, you know, these are semantics. Maybe a contractor has a database. Maybe it's not technically a database.

These are still things that we don't know. So this is amazing. They dove in deep and they figured something out. Tell me more about what your reporting found out. In Emily's case, I mean, how was the government? Do you have any sense of how the government was able to get this information on her? We don't know the specifics. I mean, you know, we asked ICE and DHS and they say they won't share those tactics with the public.

But, I mean, it does seem like vehicle, vehicle, vehicle registration information is key. You know, law enforcement through license plates can figure out who owns a car and their address. Yes, exactly. That's right. your vehicle registration. And now we get it. And so at this point, I'm still like, oh, okay, you're following ICE. We all know why you're doing it.

You know, you're, and you could be hampering law enforcement. It could end up very bad for you. Will you not learn? Right. Okay, you're a constitutional observer. That's fine. That's your right to do that. But there are some things that people are very concerned about that have some validity.

But we've seen lots of other. examples of cross-agency data sharing. And so, and actually some of these are agreements with ICE. So, for example, there's records from Medicaid that a federal judge has now approved because it was challenged in court to be shared with ICE that include address information. You know, one technology that ICE agents have access to is a cell phone app called Elite. It's made by Palantir, which is a company that does a lot in the tech space. It has a lot of government contracts. And this app, and it was described by an ICE agent in court testimony as looking kind of like Google Maps and showing data points of places where people who could be deported

by ICE live and like the likelihood that they live at that address. And it pulls from a lot of different data streams. And Palantir has acknowledged that some of that data includes data from other federal agencies. And we think that includes those Medicaid records, for example. So, so this is something that we're now starting to see a little bit more how some of these data sharing and consolidation efforts that are happening on the federal level are now trickling down to ICE agents in the field to be able to locate people they want to deport. So Palantir is a huge dog whistle for people, particularly conservatives. And with, definitely with some, merit, although I'm very skeptical about, you know, what it is.

I can tell you the public information about this elite phone app, which just the front end to a database. Elite stands for enhanced leads identification and targeting for enforcement. It was created on a $30 million contract for a $30,000 app. And it does, they do claim it has the total information approach. And it pulls from the file publicly that we. we know, pulls from the following data sources, HHS and Medicaid. Okay. And I, that, that feels bothersome to me that they're pulling medical records into,

into their system. What's your feeling about that? Well, is it medical records or just that you are, is it all based on? Well, it's, is it, is supposedly, to identify you? It's supposedly to identify, to verify your current address. Okay, from the, I don't know. Okay, so let's, this is looking at the bad side of this. Let's look at the other side of this.

If you are, let's say your child is missing, you know, your kid takes off, you know, on a cross-country trip and you lose touch with them. You know, every bridge toll, every toll road. Now, you're going too far. Stay with Medicare. Before you go into license plate scanners, we're getting to that. Okay. So, okay. So with Medicare, if your child ends up in a hospital and you don't know, you can be notified

based on the fact that they have identified who your child is through. You're pulling to think of the children card, Mimi. I'm not, that's unacceptable. That's unacceptable. I'm not taking the, no, no. We are in so many databases. If you just Google yourself, you'll find. No kidding.

No kidding. I'll continue. So supposedly to verify current address. Then they have commercial data, third party data services, Thompson Reuters, clear. You know, that thing that you use to get through airport security quickly. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. And then they have access to DHS and U.S. CIS records, passport data, social security files.

and the license plate reader history. So, yeah, it's probably 50% of what Oracle does and the data brokers do to sell you stuff. But the concern that citizens have is valid, but you're about 30 years too late. Do we have any sense on whether these tactics are different for people who have crossed into the United States illegally, who are here without legal status and who DHS obviously seeks to deport versus the U.S. citizens that we've been talking about. Well, we do know that ICE is using facial recognition technology and also location data like Jude was talking about earlier to find people and identify people that it potentially is

seeking to deport. But, you know, we're all subject to some level of this surveillance because ultimately if it's being used on one of us, it's possibly being used. used on all of us, right? But is that legal? I mean, in terms of like, I can understand how the government can justify using this sort of surveillance to track people who, it feels, have committed a crime and therefore need to be deported.

If I have not committed a crime, I mean, can you use legally this level of surveillance to figure out what I'm doing? And, you know, and that is exactly one of the big questions here. You know, but just to give a concrete example, you know, one tool that's really exploded and not just for DHS, our automatic license plate readers, which are, you know, all over freeways and entries and exits into cities at this point. And a great tool for law enforcement to be able to track down cars that are stolen or that might have committed a crime. But it's picking up license plate information on everyone. And it can allow law enforcement, including DHS, which controls some of these license plate readers and has access to others, to really locate.

in most cars that it wants to find because they'll be picked up in this camera network. So that's an example where critics of this technology say this is mass surveillance and that law enforcement shouldn't just have this unfettered access to this level of data. There's your license plate readers. Okay. License plate readers are used in Home Depot and Lowe's and Walmart. Doesn't make it right. But the reason they're doing it is because that, because so many states have made

it so you can't arrest someone for shoplifting unless it's over $1,000, then what they do is they record the license plates. And if you keep showing up with that license plate and you go in and you rip out of stores, they put it all together as one complaint so they can actually go after you for $1,000 with a theft. So they're doing it as a harm reduction for their bottom line to have some recourse with these people who are just, especially these rings. There's big rings of shoplifters that are out there who steal thousands and thousands of dollars every day. You know, it's probably more than thousands, hundreds of thousands.

And, you know, that's why you go into Home Depot now and you have to call over a clerk to open up the cage so you can get, you know, a drill. You know, it's it's kind of like, yeah, you need to be identified, but we allow ourselves to. How many people have the toll passes for highways and toll roads? Not me. Well, you don't have bridges there. We have toll roads and they just send me a bill in the mail where they get my license plate, they snap it. But I don't indiscriminately drive around with an RFID device.

I'm not nuts. And how do they identify where you live when you go across a bridge? They just Google it. They just Google it. Everybody can Google where I live. It's impossible to hide that stuff. Well, no, it's based on your vehicle registration, your license plate. So, I mean, we are all connected in so many ways to this.

It's like, okay, you can look at the downside. Oh, gosh, you know, they're keeping track of us. But at the other side, you know, what's new? Well, here in Texas, when someone shoplifts, we shoot you. Oh, yeah, that's lovely. That's so much better. Tough luck. Yeah.

Just say, go to California or Washington State and go shoplift there. Yeah. And we fight against cameras, traffic cameras, license plate readers. They've tried to put them in Fredericksburg. Nope. Nope. No, that's outlawed. Austin, they crumble.

So in Austin, they're everywhere. But a lot of places in Texas just, no, I'm not going to have it. We're not going to let the government have that kind of control. I'm against it. I really am. And not just the flock cameras, but all these stupid ring cameras and everything. This report, I hope this gives people some food for thought. You probably think security cameras make places safer,

but governments are hacking them to plan missile strikes. Researchers recently found hackers linked to Iran breaking into security cameras across the Middle East. Iran! But why cameras? Because once you hack one, well, you've got eyes on the ground. You can watch buildings, track traffic patterns, see when people arrive or leave. It's basically free intelligence. Hacking these cameras isn't that hard. Attackers have been exploiting flaws in popular brands like Hick Vision and Dahua, vulnerabilities that have been known for years. The real problem is something experts call digital neglect.

People install digital devices and then forget about them. No updates, default passwords, no security settings. Meanwhile, there are websites that scan the internet and list vulnerable devices. And during conflicts from the Middle East to the Russia-Ukraine war, civilian cameras have quietly become intelligence tools. Some analysts even say when they see spikes in hacked cameras in one area, it can be a warning that something is about to happen there. I think this is perfect counterbalance.

We are our own worst enemy. Putting up cameras everywhere and do you think just Iran is looking at them? No. No, but it does give me information on when cougars are in my area and walking through my yard. Hey, there was a time when I'd want to know when cougars were walking through my yard. I'm just saying. Yes. all the people who could do that.

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That's right. Is that on Saturday? Yes. Well, I guess we can't do the... No one donates for Pi Day anyway. That'll be at Fred Lobster International Speedway and Gladwell. Texas, Dirty Jersey, whore hosting it for you. On Sunday, on the 15th, the Indian N.A., I do believe it's time for meetup, the March edition.

And, of course, is Sir Mark and Dame Marie of the Greenwood at Blind Owl Brewery. They always send in a fabulous meetup report. On the way in this month, Rockaway, New Jersey on the 18th, Cote Lane, Idaho, and Charlotte, North Carolina, the 19th, Los Angeles, California, Franklin, Tennessee, both on the 21st, Vancouver, British Columbia, on the 22nd, Coleyville, Texas on the 28th, Fort Wayne, Indiana. on the 28th, Beechwood, Victoria, Australia on the 28th as well. And a reminder coming up in April on the 11th, Albany, California. Maybe John will get out for the house for that, not sure.

And of course, the Fredericksburg, Texas meetup, which I will be joining with Tina the Keeper and Matt Long and Gail are hosting that. It's going to be a hoot-nanny guaranteed. No agenda meetups. Go to no agenda meetups.com. So you can find all of them listed. You can look out into the future. You can search by date. all kinds of different ways you can participate.

It's free. This is just a producer-organized thing, but they happen all over the world, and every single time people go to one, you are making connections that give you protection. These people that you meet at the No Agenda Meetups will be your first responders in any emergency. If you can't find one near you, start one yourself.

No agenda meetups. They're easy and always a party. Triggered on hell lame Unity feels the same It's like a party And look at this As we go to look for our end of show ISO As it turns out

Mimi has some end of show ISOs to share with us And not a one is AI They're all live I'll do mine first And then we can listen to yours Here's my first one It's on purpose It's on purpose

It's on purpose it's on purpose. I'm going to the well for this. Yes, all right. Here's the second one. God bless you for having the courage. Yeah, I thought that was pretty good. And here's the...

It's fabulous. It's amazing. I'm going to the well. All right, I'm going to do yours now, Mimi. Mine are much better. I'm sure they are. Here's number one. Hey, who is this woman taking my place on the show?

Wow, his voice doesn't sound any good. It sounds weak. He's tired. Yeah, let's try this one. Wow, that was a great show. All of John. My balls are killing me. No, there it is.

That's got to be. There's one more, though. Well, I got another sponge bath today. No, no, no, no. Hands down, without a doubt. My balls are killing me. That's the one. That is the one, everybody.

We can't wait to play that at the end of show. I said, but first it's time for Mimi's tip of the day. You and me, just a tip with JCD. And sometimes Adam. All right. Tip of the day. It's kind of an off one, but it's something that I needed desperately this week. It's called Pan-Oxel PM overnight spot patches.

It's for zits. It's for zits. Did they come little star formation? No, I have the little round ones because I like those better. So it manages blemishes and it speeds up healing and it reduces. scarring. You can get them on Amazon. They have 12,000 positive reviews and 4.5 stars. But so do Harry Bow, gummy bears. They've got 12,000 reviews. So I don't know if that means anything. So it's like $16.99. You can get for 80 counts. You can get, it's the best deal. You can get 40 count for

949. But the companion that's absolutely necessary if you get blinds this, which are Pimples that before they form a head and they drive you nudge like with cystic acne, you can use peach slices, which are deep blemish microdarts. It has like B3 in salicylic acid and tea tree oil. And they're kind of expensive. They're $8.88 for nine patches, but they absolutely work. And, you know, it's it's something that I'm sure you haven't had this tip before. John would have vetoed it. So I'm getting in the ones.

It's interesting because when Christina was here for Christmas, I had a Zit, you know, I don't know. I was like, I'm 61. What's going on here? And she said, oh, no, you've got to get these patches. And it's the same concept. And there was a little star. And you put it on your pimple. And then the next day it's gone.

Yeah. No, there, where were these when I was a teenager? Hello. Hello, everybody. That's the real question. Where were they when we were kids? We needed them. But what isn't about, you know, I'm of the age.

I should, like, I thought acne was something from my past. Yeah. It's like, what the heck? But these things are great. I thought they were nonsense, but I had this blind one, and it was driving me crazy because it just wasn't doing anything, and I was embarrassed to leave the house. So I got them. Go to noagenda fun.com, tip of the day.

dot net to get all the details and all the tips of the day. Created bys for you and me. Just the tip with JCP. And sometimes at all. Created by Dana Brunetti. There you go. Hey, we made it again, Mimi. And again, the donations, that's what's doing.

I'm like, how can the show be so long? It's donate. Show's too long. It's too long. It was lovely speaking with you. I really, it is kind of fun. Even though it's a lot of work. It's not a bad gig, huh?

Beats working in the coal mine. We're writing cookbooks. That's for the birds, man. Writing cookbooks. Hey, John's going to work on his cookbook while he's out. Okay, yeah. Tell him to finish the vinegar book. That would be a...

It'll be in the cookbook. Oh, sure. Okay, beautiful. End of show mix is coming up from Follow the Monkey from MVP. And Jeff and Andy, great. a great song you guys did. Next on your No Agenda Stream, if you are listening to it in a modern podcast app

or Noagendastream.com, a walk through the mind by Sir Billy Bones. So stay tuned for that. And we will return on Sunday, myself and the lovely Miss M, right here on your No Agenda. And thank you all for supporting the show. Thank you for being here.

And remember us at Noagendadonations.com. Until Sunday, Adios, small foes, hooey, hooey, and such. We need to kill and bomb them, bomb them. We need to kill and bomb them, bomb them. We need to bomb them. We need to kill them and bomb them again. There's a need for a rescue mission.

When the world is threatened, the world needs help. It calls on America. And that's the story. It's no sweat off my balls. What? He's Trump the president. That is to be asked. Go.

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