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She's a Chinese spy. Adam Curry, John C. DeVore. It's Sunday, May 24th, 2026. This is your award-winning Gitmo Nation Media Assassination, Episode 1871. This is no agenda. Broadcasting live from the live music capital of the world, Nashville, Tennessee. In the morning, everybody. I'm Adam Curry.

And from Northern Silicon Valley. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It's the refinery row. We wish everybody a happy Memorial Dam Johnson, Jossack. It's Craig Bond and Bosgill. You know, by the time... Smooth his silk. He's smooth.

Nailed it. By the time you get home, you'll be saying refinery row. I don't know where I am. You won't know anything. Oh, man. I don't know anything now. Here I am in the biodome in Nashville, Tennessee. What's a biodome?

Better known as the Gaylord Opryland Hotel. Yeah. Oh. Why is it called a BioDome? Because you're entirely enclosed in a dome. Oh, I've been to that place once. Yeah, you're right. You know what I'm talking about.

Yeah. And so it could be raining, could be sunny. You don't know. It's a constant, like 70 degrees, 72 degrees. And everywhere you go, you're just inside the biodome. It's big. It's troubling. Once you realize, I've been in this biodome for three days.

It's a bit much. So, yeah, since you ask, we are here for the K-Love Music Awards. The Big Gay Love of Music Awards. That's right. K-Love is, they own pretty much every single contemporary Christian music radio station in the country. Although I don't know if that's going to benefit them long term, but they do have streams. And so every top name in the Nashville music business is here performing live. doing worship services.

Performing live! Doing worship services. We had a great service this morning with Bethel worship. No, I mean, it's music. It's like you've got 2,000, 3,000 people. We're all worshipping. And the great pastor from, what's his name? His name is Levi Luscoe from, he's from Montana,

but originally from California. Did a great message. And so we're just getting our buckets for here. He was his message. His message was, what to do when you're spiraling. And it was, it was good. It would have worked for,

Are you spiraling? No, but I have, I mean, I have. I mean, we've all spiraled at some point. You've never spiraled? I don't know what it means. Where you just, you feel bad, you're down, you're depressed, you're not doing well. You feel bad all the time. John's in a constant spiral.

Exactly. Exactly. Now, before we get started, I don't think this has ever happened to me on an airplane before. I've been recognized for, you know, all kinds of different things. You were called out at the beginning and they sang a song to you,

happy birthday. No, they didn't. So I'm kind of, I'm like half asleep. I got the hearing aids in so you couldn't tell that I was listening to anything. And I'm listening to Tucker Carlson go on and on and on about the Jews and Israel.

And so I'm kind of, you know, like drifting off and I feel a hand on my arm. And I hear, Hold on a second. Let me turn off my phone here. ITM. And it was Audra, our flight attendant on our Delta flight to Nashville. And I don't think I've ever had a flight attendant come up to me and throw in in the morning at me.

Nice. Yeah. And she's like, I've been listening for six years. I love what you guys are doing. You've been so great. You've been so helpful. And then her colleague, Carlos, like, man, I got to listen to your podcast. because Audra's like jumping up and down.

She can't believe it that she's met you guys. So it was really nice. You got an extra listener. That's what counts. And we got extra peanuts. One at a time. Oh, and you got free. Oh, free.

Probably get a gotten news anyway. Yeah, so I wanted to say hi. So you were talking about some issues you have with the gear. Oh, man. I had a drive fail. An SSD drive. Yeah, solid state. Although it was like,

half failing and then it kind of came back up. But that screws up a lot of things when that happens. So then you got to plug in the other drive. You got to remap everything. I got the road gear. Although it's been, I mean, it's Linux. Remember it's Linux. It's amazing any of this stuff works.

But here it is, functioning. Knock on wood, Holy Spirit, take us through the whole day. It will be good. So, yeah. And it's good to be good to be on the. the air with you, as it were. Now, well, the first thing I'd like to say is, apparently, the vice president had to turn around and come right back to D.C. President Trump didn't go to his son's wedding in the

Bahamas, even though he was already married, but the wedding ceremony, because it sounds like we have a deal. We've got a deal. Yeah, yeah, another deal. And I saw you had clips, so I'm trusting that you've got clips about the deal. I got the deal analyzed. The deal that's so-called the deal that's in Trump, I believe is in Trump's mind. Well, first of all, we kind of expected a deal to be here around June 1st because we need to have this all cleared up by the big 250th celebration on July 4th. We can't have a war when we're doing the big celebration. No. So we knew it was going to happen, but you think the deal is not a deal? I don't think it's a deal yet.

Okay. And they're kind of wishy-washy about it. But, you know, it might be getting close. But, you know, this is supposed to have taken place of what he said this old thing's going to go six weeks. I think we're at 11 weeks now, something like that. And so, you know, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. It was only six weeks of actual fighting.

All the rest has just been ceasefire. Oh, yeah, that's right. What am I thinking? So get it right, man. So let's play the, I have four clips and there's three of them are analysis clips and one of them is the basic BBC clip, which I thought would be the place to go. Iran Trump BS deal. Oh, I called it a BS deal. Oh, there you go. Oh, there you go. BBC.

President Trump has said an agreement with Iran to end the war has largely been negotiated. He made the announcement on social media. Peter Bose reports. Mr. Mr. Trump posting? true social platform. Hold on a second. Stop it. Yeah. The first guy said President Trump,

but this other guy comes in and he calls him Mr. Trump, which is a note of disrespect. Well, everyone's doing it now. It's President Trump. Yeah. They'll never, they can't get that out of their mouth. Well, the first guy did. Well, for a second there.

It's editorializing. I'm sure the script says Mr. Trump. Anyway, we continue. largely negotiated after what he described as a very good call with the leaders of several Gulf states, and that it was now subject to finalisation between the US and Iran. He added that in addition to other elements of the agreement, the Strait of Hormuz would be reopened. But he warned that if a deal could not be reached, no country would ever be hit as hard as they're about to be. Contradicting Donald Trump's statements, the Iranian News Agency Fars, which is close to the Revolutionary Guard

core says the Strait of Hormuz would remain under Iranian control. Well, this is the BBC. The BBC is going to run their line of talk. Of course. They've been funding the whole operation for the Muslim Brotherhood and the Lloyds of London and the city of London. Of course they don't want any deal. They're just talking the talk. I'm sure they don't want any deal.

But here we go with the analysis. Clip one. We start with President Trump's. claim on social media that the US is close to reaching a peace deal with Iran after weeks in which their shaky ceasefire has hung in the balance. Just days ago, he was threatening to attack Iran again. In his post, Mr Trump said the deal had been largely negotiated, was being finalised and would be announced shortly. He also said the strait of Hormuz would soon be reopened. This comes after Pakistan's army chief went to Tehran to hold talks with Iranian officials.

And after Mr. Trump then held a call with Arab allies in which Pakistan as the key mediator also took part, and he held a separate call with the Israeli leader Benjamin Netanyahu. The U.S. president said both calls had gone very well. Earlier, his Secretary of State, Marco Rubio, who's visiting India, also struck an optimistic note when talking to journalists. There's been some progress done, some progress made. even as I speak to you now, there's some work being done. There is a chance that whether it's later today, tomorrow, in a couple days, we may have something to say.

But this issue needs to be solved as the president has said one way or the other. Iran can never have a nuclear weapon. The straits need to be open without tolls. They need to turn over. They're enriched uranium. They need to turn over. They're highly enriched uranium. We need to address that.

Oh, you catch that? Yeah, I did, actually. From enriched uranium to highly enriched uranium. Yeah, that means something. That's a deal. point there. Hey, give us your highly enriched, whatever that is, and you can keep your enriched. The 60% stuff. Yeah. President has said one way or the other. Iran can never have a nuclear weapon. The straits need to be

open without tolls. They need to turn over their enriched uranium. They need to turn over, they're highly enriched uranium. We need to address that issue. We need to address the issue of enrichment. These are the President's points consistently. And his preference is always to deal with it in a diplomatic way. Our North America correspondent, Peter Bowes, gave us his assessment. Here's how that works. Hey, sign the deal or I'll blow it to smithereens. Of whether this means an end to the war is in sight.

Well, with the caveat that we've heard positive statements before from the president about a potential deal with Iran, this does look as if there is perhaps some sort of breakthrough in the making, although the mood music from Iran is somewhat different. So far, zero analysis, just calling our president. president, Mr. Trump. They've given nothing so far. Yeah, and that's what you're going to end up with.

Yeah, statement from Rubio. Because there's nothing to analyze. Let's face it. Essentially, Trump is saying what he feels like saying. Yeah. And there's no evidence that anything's going on whatsoever. The blockade's still going on. And he keeps any safer rattling to an extreme. Who is blocking?

As far as I'm concerned, we're blocking. We're blocking. We're blocking. Yeah, we're blocking. Yeah. Who's blocking? We're blocking. They're not blocking.

We're blocking. We're blocking. So we're blocking all the ships. And they're shooting at any of they sneak by. And I feel bad for the people that are ship, you know, the sailors that are on these vessels, they can't eat. I mean, there's no food. No, they're getting them out. Yes, we're getting the worst reporting in the world.

That couple guys are sneaking out at night. No, we're still escorting ships. We have, yes, we have no reports. reporting nowhere. Whose boots on the ground there? Nobody. We need some more boots on the ground from our side. Okay, here we go, part two. Saying that as far as they're concerned, gaps remain, as far as the latest talks are concerned that the issue of a nuclear weapon, also the Strait of Hormuz, hasn't been part of the current round of talks. And in fact, just in the last few minutes, Iran saying that the

straight of Hormuz will remain under its. Now, when they say Iran is saying, is there a mouth on the country that is opening up and go and here's what we're saying? Is it, is it on Twitter? Is it on X? Is it the IRGC? Who is Iran at this point? Who is talking? MI6? Oh, yeah. Management. Nevertheless, we had this quite long, a lengthy statement, truth, social statement from the President within the last hour. And this in part is what he has to say. He says, an agreement has been largely negotiated subject to finalisation between the United States

of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran and other countries. And he goes on. Separately, I had a call with Prime Minister Bibi Netanyahu of Israel, which likewise went very well. And then he says final aspects and details of the deal are currently being discussed and will be announced shortly. So I think significantly there we have no mention of nuclear weapons, which is still at the heart of this issue as far as President Trump is. You notice that, of course, there's no mention of nuclear weapons because they never had a nuclear weapon. All we're hearing about is the dust. The dust. That's the enriched uranium. They don't have a nuclear weapon. They have enriched or highly enriched uranium. So now

the BBC after just hearing that from Rubio are saying, we haven't heard anything by nuclear weapon. He says that the strait of Hormuz will be open, but as we're already hearing, that is being disputed by Iran. So perhaps just tentatively, very tentatively, we might be moving towards some sort of breakthrough, but this certainly isn't a deal to end the war right now.

Okay. All right. Some sort of breakthrough, but it's not a deal, but we don't know anything. We're the BBC. There's a couple of things that are interesting in this, is that Pakistan seems to be playing the real role here. Yes, yes, I agree. And Pakistan also has been a safe haven for much of the Iranian Air Force. It turns out that the, yeah, they said they opened their bases up to Iran

during the initial bombing saying if you're worried about your jets getting blown, load up because they're pretty... Park him here. Park them here. Yeah, it's all good. And so they have a lot of Iran's gear in Pakistan. And so Pakistan has some leverage in that regard. Well, yeah. They're also the front men for China, which is the country that really needs this. But the sticking point here seems still to be the basic thesis of the Sunnis versus the Shia. and the Pakistanis are not Shia, they're Sunnis.

And so they're not subscribing to this 12th imam theory and the end of the world thesis that the Iranians seem to be all jacked about. Well, not the Iranians, but some of them, it's not all of Iranians. Yeah, the Mullahs. Yeah, the Mullahs. If whoever's still, we don't know anything. We don't know who's running the place. We don't. And you know what?

The Iranians have spoken to? I don't think anybody's running the place right now. No, it's some dude with an ex account. Look at me. Look at me. Hey, watch me post this. See what the BBC says next. Well, much of the impetus for this latest attempt to strike a deal seems to have come from the Pakistani army chiefs visit to Tehran and his talks there with Iranian officials to try to bridge the huge gaps between the two sides.

So what did they discuss? Here's Kazranaji from BBC Persian. The newly appointed spokesman for Iran's negotiating team says the discussions centered on a memorandum of understanding. Okay, so this annoys me. The newly appointed spokesman, who is he? This is BBC Persia. Persian, I think she said. Shouldn't they be telling us who is talking now?

Yep. You know, and this is the BBC. This is the great journalist at the BBC. Hey, at least... They should be telling us, you're giving us some details. Yes. Anything. At least when we're talking to the press, you know it's our vice president, our new press secretary.

Come on. We're doing better. BBC Persian. The newly appointed spokesman for Iran's negotiating team says the discussions centered on a memorandum of understanding, something that will extend the ceasefire and paved away for a 30 to 60-day period of detailed negotiation. between Iran and the United States. Ismail Bahrahi has been telling Iran's state television that the main issues under discussion are ending the war,

the lifting of the U.S. blockade of Iranian ports, and the release of Iran's frozen assets in banks abroad. Hold on a second. So this 30 to 60 days, this hasn't come out of the mouths of U.S. spokesholes, as far as I'm concerned. I don't know where this came from, but this is kind of the narrative I'm hearing every, well, according to what everyone's been hearing, it's 30 to 60 days. It'll be a ceasefire, not really. We're going to hammer it out.

Yeah. But who, who, who, who, who, who, who, who, who was the progenitor of that? Where did that come from other than BBC Persian? We don't know. They did mention somebody's name in there very casually. It was impossible to tell. Hold on a second. I missed it then.

Hold on the United States. Ismail Barrae has been telling Iran's... Ismaili Barre? Who's that guy? It's rab, blah, blah, blah, blah. I couldn't understand him. The control room help. Who is Ismail Barre? The United States. Ismail Barrae has been telling Iran's state television that the main issues under discussion are ending the war,

the lifting of the U.S. blockade of Iranian ports, and the release of Iran's frozen assets in banks abroad. Yeah. But significantly, he does. not mention anything about Iran's nuclear program or Iran ending its blockade of the Strait of of Hormuz, something that is an urgent priority for the American side. Hardliners in Iran are opposed to relinquishing control of the Strait of Hormuz in return for lifting of the U.S. blockade of Iranian pores, a trade-off which could see the opening

of this vital international waterway. Yeah, so I'm looking at the troll room. for some help and all I see is trolls arguing about Liz Cheney. I think, are you guys even... What's Liz Cheney? I don't know. They're not even... They're not even listening to the show. They're just in there arguing with each of...

Is she a guy? No, no. It's all about midterms, election, Florida. We're going to win, we're going to lose. It's no good. Everyone, Unipar Day. Simmer down Donna Summer? It's a polka tour. He's very active these days. Paul Couture. Yes, Sir Paul Couture.

He showed up in the troll room a couple, like two weeks ago. And he started, he's trolling hard, but not listening to the show, apparently. Anyway. So I do have a couple of clips that these are from just, kind of just before this announcement, which really happened over the last, like, 36 hours. Here's Rubio. This is a global radio, Canada. As NATO allies gathered in Sweden, the U.S. made it clear it's working on multiple paths to a deal with Iran,

negotiation, and a plan for navigation of the Strait of Hormuz. There's been some progress. I wouldn't exaggerate it. I wouldn't diminish it. The U.S. claims the two sides are getting closer to a deal to start formal negotiations. Iran rejects that, characterizing the differences as deep and significant, though Iranian officials did meet with key intermediaries from Pakistan to relay their positions. You see what we've done to Iran? Iran is dying to make a deal. We'll see what happens. But the U.S. Secretary of State said he told NATO allies they need a backup plan if talks fail. The plan B is, what if Iran refuses to open the streets? What if Iran decides we refuse to open the streets?

We're going to own the straits and we're going to charge tolls for it. See, this is the part that bugs me. So you even have the BBC saying that the U.S. controls the straits, that we are controlling the waterway, that we are controlling the waterway, that we're We're making sure no one goes to the Iranian ports. And then you've got future president, Lubio, saying, well, they've got to open the streets. There's not a line of fastboats anywhere. This is theater of the highest level. We don't know that. No, of course we know that.

There's no line of fastboats saying, stop? No, of course not. There's nothing going on in that regard. This is only about what happens? to the mines. What happened to all those? That fell off the radar. No one's talking about the minds for a week now. Because there's no minds. Okay. At that point, something has to be done about it. NATO's Secretary General would not openly talk about. Stop a second. So you think the whole thing's a hoax? No, it's a financial war. I've said this from the beginning. It's,

if Lloyds of London won't insure. Nobody, for whatever reason, no one wants to use the American reinsurers through DFC and Chubb that were all set up, the International Development Finance Corporation. For whatever reason, nobody wants to use those. So the shipping company's like, oh, it's 100, 100 to insure your ship. Well, we can't sail. That's what this is about.

Only the couple of brave ones who are like, you know, Well, we're really here for China. The dead of night by turning off their transponders and heading through at midnight. Yeah, the transponders is all bull crap. The transponders is meaningless at this point. Everyone's spoofing. Nobody knows where anybody really is. Open the streets.

We're going to own the straits and we're going to charge tolls for it. At that point, something has to be done about it. NATO's Secretary General would not openly talk about how the alliance might help. In recent weeks, both the United Kingdom and France have sent aircraft carriers to the region. This direct assault on freedom of navigation and global commerce. Commerce. In fact, us all.

It is important that countries are coming together. Coming together. And I plan to ensure that the strait can be open for transit. It is open, man. The longer the stalemate drags on, the more this global crisis grows. More than 20,000 sailors are still trapped on vessels in the Persian Gulf,

unable to leave their ships for months and quickly running out of food. They need a collective intervention because they are key for our economies, for the supply chains, but also they are civilians. Like the rest of the world, they can only wait for the two sides to make a deal, trapped by a conflict that has no end in sight. The way I see it, we are blocking the ports of the Iranian ports. And that's where everyone needs to go. Yeah, they've got to get their stuff from UAE and from some. Saudi Arabia, but they're already pumping stuff over the pipelines.

Like, yeah, we're getting it out this other way. But the Iranian oil is really the prize here. And so they want tolls and we're saying no tolls. That's what I keep hearing. Toll. We want a toll. And the toll is not to get through the whole straight. The toll is only to go into the Iranian ports. And the U.S. is saying, no, you can't do that because then you have too much control.

Here's Rubio. Right now we're negotiating. And we'll... That's Trump, actually, but Rubio's coming. We'll see, but either we're going to get it one way or the other. They're not going to have a nuclear weapon. You will have a nuclear war in the Middle East, and that war will come here. That war will go to Europe.

We cannot let that happen. And it won't happen. It's not going to happen. That's more important than anything else. We can't think... I can think of nothing that's more important than the fact that we cannot let Iran have a nuclear weapon, and we won't. CENTCOM still enforcing its blockade of the Strait of Hormuz, saying,

As of May 21st. Here, CENTCOM still blocking. CENTCOM. Everyone's claiming they're blocking. They're a weapon and we won't. CENTCOM still enforcing its blockade of the Strait of Hormuz, saying as of May 21, SentComforces have redirected 94 commercial vessels and disabled four while enforcing the blockade to prevent the flow of commerce into and out of Iranian ports.

There it is. Secretary Rubio on this topic. Here he is just moments ago. On the issue of Iran, the news this morning, I know it's early on the issue. still in the United States, a little later in the region and the Middle East. But we await word on those conversations that are ongoing. There's been some slight progress. I don't want to exaggerate it, but there's been a little bit of movement, and that's good.

The fundamentals remain the same. Iran can never have a nuclear weapon. And then added to this, of course, is the issue of the straits. Iran is trying to create a tolling system. Yeah, there it is. The tolling system. And there's a little twist now to the question you had on Thursday about crypto. and how the Treasury and General Bessent were able to capture the crypto because that is all stable coin.

So now there's a little shift, and this is part of the tolling system that is a problem for anybody, but a problem for the U.S. Crypto experts claim that foreign adversaries like Iran are using digital assets to evade sanctions and funnel money to bad actors. Darren Battello joining us now. Okay, Darren, how do we stop this? Laftel. All right, good morning, Stuart. The good news is the Trump administration is already stopping. In fact, we confirmed that the U.S. Treasury has been able to trace some of Iran's money,

and just last month they froze more than $300 million. This was in regime crypto, Stewart. Iran is reportedly launching a new digital insurance platform for cargo ships. Digital insurance programs. See, everyone's in the insurance game now. This is in the Strait of Hormuz. and here's the kicker. They're settling payments entirely in Bitcoin. Basically, this is how it works. The companies pay the insurance companies in Bitcoin and they get through this rate safely.

That's the trade-off. It's a direct move to dodge our banks and scoop up a fresh source of cash. And this covers a much larger shadow economy. New estimates from a threat detection data firm show Tehran is sitting on a crypto pile worth a staggering $7.7 billion. That war chest has been expanding ever since heavy sanctions cracked down. This was during the first Trump administration, by the way. And here's a look at the price of crude right now. The hotboards up. Prices are trading near recent highs as regional shipping tensions.

They're flaring. But the regime is counting on crypto to keep its military funded. Unfortunately, they keep using words like crypto. Because, you know, crypto could be anything. Ethereum. They specifically said Bitcoin. Yes, I know. that's what finally someone said Bitcoin, but, you know, it could be Trump's meme coin for all I know when they say crypto.

But this is a problem because they cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot block Bitcoin from being used. But they have a plan. The Treasury Department is tracking the digital breadcrumbs. And they're telling Fox, here's a statement over here. Through Economic Fury, Treasury has taken actions that have led to the freezing of nearly half a billion dollars worth of cryptocurrency linked to the Iranian regime. severing financial lifelines that Iran's regime and military depend on. According to crypto experts, Tehran's tech is actually the weak spot here. We found over and over again that they're actually a much better asset for U.S. law enforcement

and other agencies to track because you leave a lot of breadcrumbs. So I said the administration is taking action, but how do we actually stop this? Industry Insiders say Washington has a massive Trump card here by threatening to cut off crypto exchanges. from the American banking system, regulators could actually then flush out these foreign adversaries. Oh, please. That's going to be a problem. Yeah, grab it at the crypto exchanges. Okay.

When did this report come on? Because this is old because price oil drops since this thing. Yeah, it took place. It's not that old. It's down to 97. Come on. It was 102 when they had this. but it's good look the way i see it i don't know exactly what the game is that's being played here

i'm for sure the oil guys are loving this because with any report like oh just make it more expensive and we'll go up and we'll go down and and and your gas station's like oh yeah let's do five dollars oh let's do 550 they can do whatever they want but when the narrative has been cemented and they stop posting stuff on x because i think there's just one dude that whose name we couldn't catch, then it's just, it's going to be over. And then it's going to go and everything's going to come dropping down. I think it's going to come down fast and hard. That's got to be, I'm just looking at, I have no, nothing to base this on other than what

I think Trump is doing in his head by July 4th. And the futures will be $60 barrel of oil. Well, they're going to have a hard time getting it down to 60, but it's possible. The futures, the futures. Well, futures or no futures, it's still hard to get down that far. You'll be buying that stuff up like there's no tomorrow. Yeah. And it also screws up our shale business.

Yeah, but those guys, they were already struggling. Remember, it was around $60 before all this kicked off. Yeah, well. Before like Venezuela days, which is still flowing, I presume. I just got to presume that Venezuelan oil is doing. You don't hear. about it. Why would you? Everyone's all obsessed.

So the, I thought this autopsy of the Democrat Party that was really interesting. Did you catch any of this? Yeah, I caught the whole thing. I didn't think it was interesting in the least. I thought it was. Why didn't you think

it was interesting? There wasn't anything new in there? No, nothing new for us, but for the Democrat, it feels like the Democrats are just all of a sudden falling apart before the midterms, and they have no leader, and they're all mad at each other. I thought that was interesting. And so I brought two clips. And now to the deepening divisions within the Democratic Party and the long-way release of the so-called 2024 election autopsy. The report was commissioned by Democratic National Committee Chairman Ken

Martin, its purpose to help the party understand why former Vice President Kamala Harris lost to President Donald Trump. Martin got an independent consultant to write it, but then put off its release saying it was badly done. After pressure from other Democrats today, the DNC chair published the 192-page draft that he says is still littered with typos and inaccuracies. The paper argues that Harris rode off rural voters and failed to attack President Trump with the sufficient negative firepower. The DNC adding disclaimers that the autopsy doesn't reflect the committee's views. Our political pros are here to discuss. Ashley Etienne is a former communications director to VP Harris, and Corbyn Trent is a former aide to AOC and Bernie Sanders. I thank you both for being here.

Ashley, you were one of the people pushing for this report's release, and just hours ago, you told our good friend, Kristen Welker, that Ken Martin should step down. Explain why. Well, I think this is a complete failure of leadership. Ken Martin really has two jobs, really is to run, to raise money and to win elections. He chose to, instead of releasing a forward-looking that lays out a vision on how to rebuild this party, how to win elections going forward from the state level to the national level. Instead, what he released is a pre-decisional document with critics in it to cover his hide. That's really what's in that thing here. Unfortunately, pre-decisional. I don't know. What does it mean? Doesn't mean Jack. She's just saying stuff.

I think we should use it ourselves. It's pre-decisional for you to say that. It's predecisional for you to say, I'm pre-decisional. When elections going forward from the state level to the national level. Instead, what he released is a pre-decisional document with critiques in it to cover his hide. That's really what's great play here. Unfortunately, we've got a situation with democracy on the line. We've got the party is having struggles. What? Fundraising is polling at 28%. And Ken Martin made this entire autopsy debate about himself, rather than about the party, about how to rebuild the party and how to bring back what we're seeing, a bleeding support among the party's base vote voter.

Feels to me like a coup is underway. Yeah, they're trying to get rid of this Martin guy. It's pretty obvious. Yeah, well, who's... No, he was a dud when they put him in. We noticed this when they were doing it. Remember, they did the, oh, you have to have so many lesbians voting, and then you have a gender, fluid person in there, and then they didn't pick one.

They picked a white guy. Oh, that's right. We needed a bi-pac. Yeah, I forgot about that. Yes. And then they picked some heteronormative guy. Who needs that? He's out.

Whatever happened to the kid from Florida? Wasn't he part of the leadership? He was the second in command. Yeah. And they ousted him. Oh, he already got kicked out? Yeah, because there was too many white guys. My goodness.

So sad. Let me see, let me see. Was this thing? He's still floating around. around on the online on some social networks, bitching. Let me see if this is any goods from, let me see. Allies of former president Joe Biden failed to give Kamala Harris needed support before her 107-day sprint to election day in 2020.

No, that's no good. That's just the same. And by the way, I think Tom Yamas, who I like. I know you do. If you listen to him, the way his voice is he's got a kind of a funny lilt. He sounds like he's about one. He's like one little accent away from sounding like a surfer dude. I'll need to pay attention to it now. He just sounds like he's going to drop right into, hey man.

Hey, cowabunga. Hey, man. What surfer says cowabunga? That's what they used to say. No, they've never. That was the teenage mutant ninja turtles. There was never any surfer dude who said, Kawabunga. No. Yeah, you check it out.

Meanwhile, our top Democrat Socialists of America is Mayor Mondami. Mondami. Is it Mondami or Mumdani? I can't remember. I'm going to listen to you struggle. Yeah. Well, okay, thanks. Mom Donnie.

Mom Donnie. He's come up with a brilliant new plan. He is now the social media mayor. Mayor Mumdani, known as the social media mayor. And now he is launching a live stream series on Twitch answering questions from New York. This is what Gavin Newsom's strategy. This is not a good idea. What do you mean? This is what Trump did.

Trump became the social media president. But Trump, yeah, but Trump didn't start, wasn't doing podcasting. He wasn't doing videos. You know, he was basically just tweeting a lot of stuff and three in the morning. So what? Yeah. Well, listen to this. In real time.

Because Mamdani has some good ideas. Well, he did get in through social media doing a lot of videos because I guess his wife was a producer or something. Here we go. With the people and it will be shared on several social media platforms. I'll also be posting these conversations wherever you listen to podcasts. Whoa, he's using the broadcast sentence of the future. The most powerful sentence in broadcasting wherever you get your podcasts. Yeah, was that what he said?

That's exactly. No, he said wherever you'll be listening. listening to this wherever you get your podcast. That's what he said. Listen to you play it again. It's called Talk with the People and it will be shared on several social media platforms. Also be posting these conversations wherever you listen to podcasts. Oh, you're right. Where you listen to podcasts. You never says get it. Yeah, good point. On your commute, washing dishes, pretending to answer emails. Yeah, that's like all the social Democrats, they just don't really work. They pretend to be answering emails. So that makes sense. Because government should be accessible. You should hear directly from your city.

about what we're doing and why we're doing it. Domani made this announcement with a photo. I'm supposed to do that at press conferences? No, man. He's hip. On social media. Here it is, the picture of himself next to FDR, who did a series of fireside chats. This is CBS New York, who are all in. Just listen to how they're fawning over him in this.

Over the radio. So political reporter, Marsha Kramer joins me now to talk a little bit more about this strategy. Marsha, what take on the mayor's live stream? Well, Christine, I would say it was an R-rated performance. But unlike the movies were an R-means restricted, here it stands for relatable. The mayor was relaxed, chatty, didn't wear a tie, and did the live stream was an expert named Moose, who read questions and people who logged into Twitch. Now, Moose instructed the mayor in live-stream manners. He told him to say, chat, what's up?

And to say something good is called Bussin. Oh my gosh, I think I need a... Bussing. Busen. What? What? Bussin. What's Bussin?

Well, that's what Mandani said. Bussin. That's what the kids say. You got kids around you. You Bussing. Never heard the kids say Bussin? Your kids are too old. They're saying Bussing.

And you're supposed to say, what's up, chat? No, you're supposed to say, what up, trolls? People who logged into Twitch. Now, Moose instructed the mayor in live stream manners. He told them to say. Wait, they logged into Twit? Twitch. Twitch.

Twitch. Twitch. Twitch. Chat, what's up? Chat, what's up? And say something good is called... Was up? Oh my gosh. I think I need a manual to do this. You need a manual. I need a manual.

All right, I need to read up on this and get with this language. But talk to me about the strategy of going on Twitch. Look, this is a mayor who has used social media in ways that other politicians are green with envy about. It's a way to circumvent reporters who tend to ask, well, let's just say, pointed questions. This is, okay. taking it, we always said the guy was doing a Trump, like promise everything. I wrote a whole column and if you go devoric.substack.com, I wrote an entire column about it. Yes, the oasis is filled up with it.

We could. Yeah. And to listen to the concerns of the people. So yes, the mayor did explain his budget and his desire to see free buzzing, not busing. And he was also asked if he played Minecraft, no. Talked about the Knicks and Captain Clutch to Brunson. and revealed the favorite place for tacos. It was a very man-of-the-people performance.

Well, it wasn't his favorite place for tacos? We didn't hear. They didn't tell us. These guys are no good. Ferrella LaGuardia, who famously read comic strips to people on the radio during a newspaper strike.

So social media is his form of radio. Oh, LaGuardia. Indeed, it was very relatable. Did LaGuardia do that? Yeah, LaGuardia was a social media guy when you used the, FDR did too. They used the, the fireside chat was an example. Yes.

But, yeah, LaGuardia would go on and he'd have a radio show and he read comics and discussed the newspaper and he did all this stuff. He was very, very down to earth. People love the show. That's interesting. It's like a podcaster. Yeah, OG podcast. I need to look that up. So I think that's all Mom Donnie is doing, which is, you know, he's taken from the best.

You know, steal from the best. Yeah, that's good. That's good. So we were talking about Massey. Oh man, probably the most frequently emailed thing. No, two, Paxton and Massey have been just filling up my email inbox. Yeah, I love the Paxton stuff. Yeah.

Apparently your people in Fredericksburg are idiots. Well, there's a couple of issues. One, the most important one for the people in Fredericksburg. And all politics is local, I've heard someone say, many times. it was Paxton whose office wrote up the big press release excoriating our doctor who is still, in my opinion,

in jail unjustly. Oh, yeah, the doctor who got just, yeah. That guy, we know about him. He was a good guy who just got roused it over his head. Well, you got roused it into a scam. Yeah, he got roused it into a scam. That's what I meant, in over his head.

Yeah. And Paxson wrote this whole, well, we got him. This is the guy, the lynchpin. Okay, that makes sense. No wonder. I wouldn't like the guy either if he pulled that stunt. Exactly. Exactly.

So I'm on your side now. Thank you. There's a couple other things about Paxon, but you didn't ask me after the show, so I couldn't tell you. Well, I'll tell you, if you remember to ask me. Oh, you know, I forgot to ask. You forgot to ask. I know.

I put a note down, too. Okay, I'll ask today. Victor David Hanson, Victor Davis Hanson, Victor Dave, Dave. VDH. VDH. VDH had a great bit about Massey. And he addresses everything. And he just can't argue with VDH.

I mean, he's... No, he's the best. And he does it so calmly. Yeah, Tommy Smothers. Scott Jennings from my really respect. He's a really great commentator. He takes on people at CNN. He's summed it up.

I can add something to it. But he did a wonderful job. He pointed out a couple of things that the district that Massey represented in Kentucky is probably the reddest district in the United States. So those people wanted a strong, strong conservative. They didn't object as long as he was libertarian if he was going to be a libertarian strong conservative. And by that I mean he came to prominence during the COVID when he said there was overreach. They even gave him some slack when he was opposing the big spending by both parties. But what they couldn't counten was this, that when you can have the luxury of a Susan Collins in the Senate or a Rand Paul that don't vote 95%.

You know, they're Mavericks. And sometimes they were Lisa Murkowski. that's a indulgence when you have five seats in the Senate margin. You can have three defections. Okay. But when you're close in the house, and they only got two-seat margin, you can't afford that. And so when he started after he became a folk hero on the right,

on the right, he decided that he was going to become famous on the Epstein files. And the problem with that was, he didn't say a word really when Biden was president. And the majority, the vast majority of people who appear, whether it's Larry Summers or Reid Hoffman or all these people, they're on the left. So it didn't condemn Donald Trump. It didn't condemn a bunch of conservatives. And that's what he was trying to partner with AOC and others and saying, oh, there's going to be Republicans. And it was a farce.

All right. So he's going to give his voting record in a moment and then he's going to address the Israel issue. But now it kind of makes sense to me now because Massey was more what you'd call a classic libertarian, which I think is what Ron Paul always was, what Rand Paul is. Do you think that they're true Republicans or are they more, they just feel like libertarians? And that's why a lot of people who listen to us and listen to other podcasts, they like that. They like the, yeah, man, he's in the middle. He's not going with those guys. Well, I'm not a big fan of libertarianism, even though I called myself one for a few years.

It's okay. You slipped. It's okay. It's kind of a stupid moniker because it doesn't really mean anything specifically. John at Devorak.org. Nah, I don't care. But they always email me when you say these things. And they should. They should email you because they know that you can get to me. You're spiraling. So, so, maybe. I mean, it seems to me that's just a cop out for, you know, yeah, you know, it's the old, well, I'm a, I'm a conservative when it comes to, uh, fiscal, fiscal conservative. I'm a social liberal kind of, I'm a combination. I think drugs should be legalized and maybe it shouldn't be. Maybe it shouldn't be. Maybe it should be, I don't care.

Everyone should do their own thing, do their own thing. That's the old, I think that's the basis is from back from the 60s. Do your own thing, man. Hippies, hippies, baby. Tune in, drop out. Yeah. Turn on, tune in, drop out. That kind of, that's where I think it all stems from.

And it's corny. It's corny. So just being independent. Now, that's the way to go, or non-affiliated in my case. Unaffiliated. We are both unaffiliated. Unaffiliated is the way to go. Here we go.

So that blew up on him. And he kept trying to get back on to the mainstream and get attention and Marjorie Taylor Green and Lauren Bobbett and Tucker. All those people loved him. That didn't work. And then so he voted, the big defections came when he voted against the big beautiful bill. He voted against closing the borders. And he voted against the SAVE Act, a voter ID. And this was the big one, the SAVE Act.

And that's what Cornyn was also voting against, which makes no. sense. I mean, the Save Act is the most sensible thing in the world, but okay. And he voted against the Save Act, a voter ID. And once he did that, he crossed the Rubicon. The left made him into a brave Maverick. But he was always an ambiguous, problematic person. He didn't have a lot of principles. He had convenient principles, because as you pointed out, to save his skin, he put out a false ad that years ago Trump had endorsed him when he won 80% against no opposition, essentially. So we ran that to fool people and think that Trump had flipped. Number two, he said in his defeat that he couldn't find his opponent because he's in Tel Aviv.

Does anybody really believe he lost because of the Jews? Yes. Yes. Entire villages of people believe this. Yeah, I agree with that. I agree with you. Yep, they do. In fact, the notes that I got mostly was that the Jew money, what's her name? Meriam. Meriam, Miriam, that evil Miriam. She's the one who she's just pumped all this money and that's why he lost. No, there's been, you know, people who say it was a money issue, keep ignoring the fact that Trump always had less money than the Democrats and beat them every time.

How about Musk spending $100 million in Wisconsin? Yeah, and then Musk spent a ton of money in Wisconsin to defeat a couple of people, and they got nowhere. Yeah, but do you money. So the money is, yes, money is a factor when all things are even, but when you have people that are running on the basis of various kinds of philosophies or screwiness that took place with this massy thing, no, it's not a fact. I mean, it's a factor, but it's a money.

minor factor. It wasn't because of the money that he lost. Although people will argue with me because I had this, my thesis is because of the fake scandal. But, you know, okay. I'm not so sure about that. I'm sticking with my scandal theory. But like our mayor in Fredericksburg

had a lot less money than his, than his co-contestant. And then she got a lot of media. She was in, you know, the Hill and Vine with her family, a full picture, spread, everything. It wasn't money. It wasn't money that got Randy Briley elected. You know, it's,

it's, it's, you know, our church probably. His opponent because he's in Tel Aviv, does anybody really believe he lost because of the Jews? He opposed the war and he always votes against Israel, but that's not why he lost. He lost because he deliberately on key votes that had nothing to do with Israel turned on Donald Trump from a red district. It would be the analogous of, say, Nancy Pelosi's district. It's the bluest in the U.S., San Francisco. And then she started to vote with Republicans. That would be the end of her.

Yeah, that to me sounds a lot more plausible for Kentucky. Well, somebody else pointed out that he wasn't doing anything for his district either. He was doing national issues. He was making a big fussy. He did nothing for the locals. Which is the biggest problem we have in politics in America in general. Everyone's always focused on, you know, the big national stuff. Look at your own town.

Fix stuff there. Here's a clip about Cornyn since we brought him up. The only way to pass a Save America Act is to nuke the filibuster because you're never going to get 60 votes because the Democrats cannot vote yes for this, even though they know it's common sense, but they will never win an election again if the same America acts passes. So you're not going to get any Democrats to vote for it. And then look, the Democrats that are refusing, or the Republicans refusing to pass this are the ones that are on their way out. Look at Senator McConnell, Senator Cassidy, Senator Tillis. And now, you know what this is amazing about what Cornyn is showing is true colors?

This is what we were talking about for the last six weeks on this show as to why Cornyn could not have another six years is because it is dangerous to have these senators that we know, the Trump agenda, hate Maga to be in the Senate without having to knowing they're not going to run for re-election again because Cornyn, there was no way he was going to run for another term after this. He is too old. So right now he is proving to us exactly what he told, we were warning you guys about. We need new blood and people that actually support Trump's agenda. And because these guys on their way out, they love to love to just obstruct what this country

wants and what President Trump wants. That's interesting. I hadn't actually thought about that. just because they've been primaried it doesn't mean that they don't have a vote during before the midterms. Yep. So I'm not quite sure what the strategy is there.

But they were going to do that vote anyway. I mean, these guys, I have no idea why anyone was, things like these guys. And the Democrats, this thinking that, oh, if we, if we vote for this and get the voter ID, then we'll never win another election.

That's nonsense. the Democrats, Democrats, Democrats, Socialists, maybe, and maybe the corrupt Democrats in California and the West Coast were the voter by mail is the dominant feature. Maybe, yeah, some Democrats won't get elected again, but getting back to the middle, the Democrats will get elected plenty of times. That's bold crap.

Well. I mean, you know, the Democrats are actually by being this way are admitting that they're corrupt. Yeah. Yeah, they are. They are. Oh, I don't want to say you banged your mic cable, but sure sounds like you. No, I had to move it because I'm about to sneeze.

Oh, okay. Why don't you sneeze? Well, no. Luckily, because you did that, you said that. I interrupted you. By yes. Yeah, you interrupted the sneeze, which means it'll come later. That's my least favorite thing people do.

Oh, bless you. They say it ahead of time. Oh, when you got that big sneeze coming and you're gearing up for it. I've never heard anybody do that. Oh. Oh, people love doing that. In advance of the sneeze? They see you going.

They see you going. And then they'll say, oh, God bless you. Before you sneeze. I've never had that happen to me. Maybe it's an East Coast thing versus West Coast. So the big thing that had everybody occupied in these past few days since our last podcast. Maskgate. What?

Mask gate. I can't believe. Your algos did not show you the mask. I don't know what you're talking about. Internet slews have come up with the wild theory that this Fox News guest was wearing a hyper-realistic mask, straight out of Mission Impossible. Retired Vice Admiral Robert Harward has gone viral for his May 19th interview on Fox News. After hordes of social media users noticed what they said appeared to be an unusual shadow on the bottom of his neck. You have not seen this? You've got to look this up.

While I'm playing the skip, you have to. The guy is Hayward. H-A-W-A-R-D, just go on X, type in Hayward, and you'll see the mask. Leading to the wild theory that the contributor was wearing a hyper-realistic mask. Many fueling the notion have pointed out that Harvard is a regular contributor to the program, and that in all his appearances, several of which were as recent as this month, his neck appears completely normal. The outlandish claim has since spread like wildfire and turned into a full-blown internet meltdown, as many couldn't help themselves but to weigh in.

Left-wing podcaster Ed Krasenstein joined in on the hysteria on X. Can anyone really explain this? Why does it look like Fox News put a man with a mask in their show, he wrote? While conservative media personality, Megan McKean... Okay. Just not to interrupt, but I'm interrupting. Yeah. I saw this image originally with the circle around this little area down at the bottom

where it looks like a tattoo or something. and I just glossed it. I didn't pay any attention to it. So I missed it. Oh, people are loose and their ever-loving minds. I don't see why. It looks like the same guy to me.

I'll finish the clip and I'll tell you what I think. I'll quickly call back to another viral internet moment, writing, that motherfucker is not real. Others online have tried to bring the situation back down to Earth by offering several possible explanations. It's a shadow or more precisely a combination of shadows from the many lights in the studio

and his shirt collar creating a weird overlap of shades on his neck. One user wrote, while another asserted that the oddity can simply be explained by a smoothing filter that caused artifacting, that they noted as common on virtual calls. Even Polly Market has gotten in on the action, allowing users to wager on the outlandish theory. All right. So what do you think,

since we need to settle this for everybody? Well, first of all, these masks, I know, these things are not, you know, completely without precedent having these masks. And some of them are pretty dynamite. There's a lot of examples online of people putting them on and what they look like. The typical, these masks go over the head. And they're pretty big in terms of what they cover up around the neck area. They go way down into the chest area. Yes.

They're big. Yeah. And so you don't, this little anomaly here, it doesn't, it looks like bull crap to me. Well, I'd like to remind people of my family member in 1967. Her husband brought someone home from work that she did not know for dinner and during coffee and dessert, this person who she did not know, 1967, okay, this is when I was, what was I? I was three. So this is 58 years ago.

This person pulled off the mask and it was someone who she knew really well. That was technology over 50 years ago. Right. The technology has only gotten amazingly good. And I agree with the, because the whole face that looked kind of smoothed out, I agree with the smoothing and some anomaly that the filters brought in. because on Zoom or WebEx, whatever they're using, you have a number of buttons.

You know, make it high-deaf, make my skin look good. And I think it was that. And also, to what end? Who cares? Yeah, I know. It's not as though it's Biden. Yeah, exactly.

This guy was, he was in Vietnam, I think. Who cares? Why would, why is this even necessary? But, oh, no, oh, no, everyone's, oh, this is it. No. No, I agree with you. Yeah, who cares? It's bull crap.

It's not, you know, it's not the president. It's not like, you know, Hillary. It's not like, you know, anybody important in that regard. I mean, the guy's important to himself and to the show, I guess. But it's beside the point. Who cares? Yeah. So it was just like, no, I missed it.

I missed it. I missed it completely. Oh, it's just like, come on, people. No, no, no. Now, Biden, definitely daddy long legs. No doubt about it. I mean, that was a whole different dude who was running across the White House law. Well, you know, the story behind that, the current story, right?

No, I don't. What's the current story? The latest story was that a Biden impersonator was hired some, sometime during the administration to do a bit on the show. And they liked, he was so good and they liked him so much, they decided to use him as a substitute Biden every so often. And then he got moved into a full-time position. Oh, that's the story now, is it?

That's the story now, yes. That's good. That's good. Well, let's break apart another misconception by people. This is, let me see. This was the shooting at the White House near the White House. It was an interesting little story about this that, you know, that I think people should think about. Because I'll get into it.

Let's play this first. We're getting some new details about the shooting that took place on the corner of 17th Street and Pennsylvania Avenue at about 6 p.m. Eastern Time. Let's cross over now to our senior law enforcement correspondent. Mark Santay who has more details. Mark, what have you learned? What are you? We're just from two sources briefed on the incident as well as an internal law enforcement document. We know now that the suspect is Nasir Best, who is transported to George Washington Hospital, as his Secret Service said, he has passed away.

Now, the first thing that happened online, was they started showing a picture of one of those crazy trans dudes, which was, you know, from, I don't know, years ago, saying, oh, yeah, it's another trans shooter. Everything on social media is fake. You just, that is the, that's how you have to look at everything. Everything is fake. Nothing is real.

It's really not even worth your time. But that was the first thing that showed up. And it's actually, it's a black guy. The suspect previously approached the White House. There was interaction in the past between the suspect and law enforcement in June of 2025. There was an order for him to stay away from the White House. That incident in June of 2025 from an internal law enforcement document, according to sources. It happened on July the last summer near the White House.

An officer in police uniform, full police uniform, was working at a pedestrian access control post at the White House. When he observed best, the suspect walked into a restricted area by using the exit turnstile lane that was located at the post. And apparently that restricted area had multiple signs there, Amon stating do not enter exit only, police line do not cross, pass holders and appointments only. Again, this was near the White House area. The suspect was immediately told to stop. The suspect did not listen to the verbal commands from the officer, did not stop and continued to go further into the restricted area. The suspect was arrested. According to multiple sources, the suspect had no prior arrests at that time.

The suspect claimed he was Jesus Christ and he wanted to, quote, get arrested. The suspect has a history of mental health issues. Again, suspect known to United States Secret Service for walking around the White House area complex, inquiring how to gain access and was taken into custody last year. Again, the suspect being named is Nassir Best. Okay. So one of the things that I keep hearing about AI data centers, and this has become almost the meme,

people are saying, well, you know, they're building all these data centers so that they can store all of your information to spy on you with Palantir and the flock cameras. Have you heard this? Oh, yeah.

So this is Washington, D.C. This is the White House. Also, shot spotters got to go. Well, that's kind of out of the picture. But it's the flock cameras. It's Palantir. They're tracking you. They're tracking everything.

Now, the people that are tracking you are you paying money to. You're Google and your Apple and, you know, Microsoft. These are the people tracking you. You can just buy that information. But if it really was true that they're surveilling you on everything, how does this guy who the law enforcement knew about him, they knew that he had mental problems. They already warned him, got a restraining order.

So they're not tracking this guy. They're not tracking it with Palantir, doing a minority report with flock cameras and his phone and everything and storing it in your local data center. Can we just get a reality check on this for a minute? It's not happening. They're not that good. They buy the...

They're not that good. They're not that good. They are tracking, but they're not that good. Not that good. That's the point. Of course they're tracking. But, yeah, they are not bad. I mean, this is what happened with the 9-11.

Come on. Yes, exactly. All these guys were under some look-see. Well, that may have been a different. Oh, dancing is released. Well, yes, but let's just assume that we're going to go with the official thing. Yeah. Because the official thing, why would you do the official thing that just indicates your

boneheads. I mean, the official story indicates that you're incompetent. Yes. Why would you do that? Oh, we're dumb. I don't know. Oh, to throw everybody off track. Give us more money.

Right. There you go. And then another one. So this, this, I really like this. And I've dealt with immigration for... And by the way, you wait, stop. Before you leave that topic, I thought it was interesting that we had the different reactions to the gunshots.

There's like 30 shots. and I don't know what they hit. They never told us. Did it hit the White House? Were they just in the air? Who knows? But there was a Chinese broadcaster, and she ditched everything

and ran under a table immediately. And then there was some dipshit. Yeah. You know, Wesley girl that was going. I think I actually have the clip of her. Hold on a second. Oh, the Wesley girl? What's that?

What is that noise? I think this is her. We witnessed a tense moment at the White House late yesterday. Our Selena Wang was there. And Selena joined me now from the White House. And Selena, you were there as shots rang out, clearly audible. I want to play a little bit of that scene. That President Trump has said a deal is close, only for the two sides to remain far apart.

That was the one, now you're right. That was the one who had to go. Well, I think she actually said something about it. Hold on. Going on for quite some time. What was going on? Yeah, John, I mean, this shooting was actually happening just. meters from where I'm standing.

Meeters? Meeters. Meeters. Since when do we use meters? That's a good one. What meters? Meeters. She's a Chinese spy.

What was going on? Yeah, John, I mean, this shooting was actually happening just meters from where I'm standing right now. And in that video you play, that is the exact place where I'm here right now is preparing to go live for for World News Tonight. And you notice in the video that I continue talking for the first few seconds,

of those gunshots because my initial thought was this must be fireworks or something else. Then I heard to get down. So the team and I, we immediately dropped to the ground, ducked and covered. Then we heard secret service going for us to move, to sprint to the... Okay. Anyway. Moving on. So I got one of our nights sent me a very long email. He said, you shouldn't be so glib about the Muslims.

I don't know, okay. Your glib about the Muslims? Yeah, that, you know, well, he was kind of misstating it. And this is what I said, dude, I don't know what you're talking about. Because he was saying, these fur earners coming in, I'm doing an accent, these fur owners coming in, they're taking away jobs from our kids, all the H-1B visas, bah, I said, first of all, we were talking about something else.

But right as I'm reading this email, this new, policy comes out, which I think is a dynamite policy for the United States, which takes care in one fell swoop of all the issues about H-1B visas. And I really like it. And I've been dealing with immigration in the U.S. for 30, more than 30 years. I've made many people legal. Some I'm married to, some not. But this is a very good policy. Well, The Trump administration announcing a major shift in how it processes green card applications. Moving forward, non-immigrants in the U.S. are going to have to return to their home countries. Scripps News, legal affairs correspondent Avedoy Burnett is looking into this change.

So Avajoy, who would be impacted by it? Quite a few people, a couple thousand people, maybe hundreds of thousands, according to some immigration attorneys, I could be impacted here. This is a new memo that was released by the Department of Homeland. security under USCIS. And according to officials in the Trump administration, according to this memo, they say people who are here in the United States want to apply for a green card, they must leave the United States, head back to their home countries, and apply for the green cards from outside of the United States. This memo was issued late last evening, but we started to see more

details on what reactions were like earlier today. And as some of the people who could potentially be impacted here are students, people who came to the United States of students. There could be people who are here as temporary workers and even tourists. And here's what an official with USCIS. This is the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services. This is sort of spokesperson for that agency, which is under DHS. This is what they said with regards to this new memo that has been really getting quite some attention. They said, we are returning to the original intent of the law to ensure aliens navigate our nation's immigration systems properly. From now on, an alien who is in the U.S. temporarily and wants a green card must return to their home country to apply except for in extraordinary

circumstances. Yes, this is good. And I don't know if people understand how this is going to impact the H-1B. And, of course, the people who do H-1B immigration visas, temporary visas, they're all flipping out about it. But here's the explanation of how this will actually impact them. And we have to presume that the only way this will work is if the U.S. U.C.I.S., if they, was it UCI, yeah, the U.S. the immigration services, they have to have enough people and systems to actually handle this.

But I've done this. I've had to arrange a green card with someone going back to their country of origin. And it took a few weeks. But it's not impossible. And if they make that system work that way, it's going to be very good, particularly for those of you worried about H-1B visa holders taking your kids' jobs. Some of the attorneys who I spoke with earlier today, they weren't as concerned about what this actually means. One person told me they are pretty sure people will be able to continue to. apply for that green card status. But then there are other attorneys who were really concerned.

They said that they've been getting many calls from their clients. Some of those clients are extremely alarmed. And they're talking about people who have family members here. There are folks who are working here in the United States. They may be married to U.S. citizens. They may be here on an H-1B visa where they're able to work. So pretty much they have set up lives here in the United States. And they're going through this process of applying for green card. So they're now wondering what is next for us. Take a listen to what one of those attorneys told me.

Who does this impact, right? It's family members of U.S. citizens, the immediate relatives of them, so their spouses, their parents, their children. It includes people who are here working with U.S. employers who are in the process or are in

legal status working and are in the process of applying for their green card, which can take decades. So it gives them a temporary way to stay here so they're not upended and their work is not upended. And that attorney with the American Immigration's Lawyers Association, she told me that this is something that could potentially impact hundreds of thousands of folks. For example, back in fiscal year, 2023, this is where we have the most recent data.

About 600,000 people were in line applying for their green card going through that process. This is a process that could potentially take months or even years. So we're talking about the possibility. of hundreds of thousands of people who are waiting and they're now wondering, what does this actually mean for them? We've been told that there's a possibility that lawsuits could be filed really to push back against the Trump administration and prevent people from being forced to leave the United States. Yeah, I think it's good. This is the way it should be. This is how it worked in the past and we got a bunch of Democrat presidents, administrations, and they made it way

too easy. This is how it used to be. And you can get, I think probably for marriage, you probably can get a parole, I think is what they call it, for some reason. And then you can go back quickly and come back in, but it's going to, it's going to help the system see who really should be here and who shouldn't be. And H1B is just, it's temporary in, out, gone. None of this like, oh, well, you know, now I I married this person and now I want a green card and I'll just stay here and I'll stay here forever until it's processed. This is good. Okay. Let's talk about Tulsi Gabbard quitting. Yeah. Yeah. This is another one of those. This is a very big disappointment. For you? I liked her. Yeah. I thought she was good in the position. She was,

She broke the thing about Obama being, you know, a horrible person. And nothing came of it. So here's the two clips I have NBC. Tonight, as the president weighs resuming the U.S. war with Iran, his top intelligence official says she is resigning. Director of National Intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard, writing her husband, quote, has recently been diagnosed with an extremely rare form of bone cancer, saying, I must step away from public service to be by his side and fully support him through this battle. The president posting that Gabbard has done an incredible job and we will miss her. An Army veteran and former Democratic congresswoman, Gabbard broke with her party to endorse Trump in 2024.

I invite you to join me and doing all that we can to save our country and elect President Donald J. Trump. But as his director of national intelligence, Gabbard never fully made it into the president's inner circle. clashing with administration officials, including the CIA director, and often absent at pivotal decision points. For years, an outspoken opponent of American wars in the Middle East. Going to war with Iran would make the war in Iraq and even Afghanistan look like a picnic. Recently, Gabbard struggled to defend the president's attack on Iran. Do you still believe that war with Iran would be so costly and devastating that it would make our wars in Iraq and Afghanistan look like a picnic? Once again in this role, it is essential that I do not allow any of my personal views on any issues to color or bias the intelligence reporting.

Yeah, it is a disappointment. I'm with you on that. Part two. A person familiar with the discussions telling NBC news that Gabbard's allies had pushed her to resign over the war with Iran, but she declined. Earlier this year, the president was asked about his confidence in Gabbard. I would say that I'm very strong in the fact. that I don't want Iran to have a nuclear weapon. I think she's probably a little bit softer on that issue, but that's okay. Some people are.

Oh, so they're insinuating. She was pushed out, and this is the excuse. Is that what's happening here? That's what they're insinuating. Most people are. Garrett, all of this, as President Trump says, he's considering new strikes against Iran. Well, Sam, he's given this weekend as a loose deadline for potential resumption of air strikes, and we've just learned that not only will the president not attend his son's

wedding, but he's also canceled planned travel to his club in New Jersey. and will instead remain at the White House this weekend. Yeah, I see people on all sides of the political spectrum saying, oh, it's just an excuse. I'm like, you really, that's really rude towards Tulsi Gabbard. If she wanted to quit, I'm pretty sure she'd just quit. Yeah. Yeah, she's not a bullshit artist.

Here's MS now. This is the, let's see what they say. I'm going to put you on the spot, and I apologize for that, David, but we just got this posting from Donald Trump on truth social, as was predicted by Jake Trailer. And I'm going to read it in full, but it also talks about who's going to be taking over, at least in the interim,

for Tulsi Gabbard, a guy named Aaron Lucas. But let me read the posting. A guy named. Unfortunately, after having done a great job, Tulsi Gabbard will be leaving the administration on June 30th. Her wonderful husband. Hold on, stop the clip. I got to go back on that.

a guy named? Aaron Lucas. So you don't, you don't refer, you normally would just say his name. Well, what his position is. Well, but the way to say a guy named,

as if it's like, I don't know, some guy named, blah. Well, they're going to, they're going to follow up with who he is. But it's beside the point. I agree.

He's a disrespectful way of presenting it. Also, you'll hear in this clip says she's, she's going to be leaving June 30th. Which is, I guess that's a, she has a transition period while she's helping her husband. It wasn't immediate. I know. She didn't walk out in a huff.

No, she did not. In full, but it also talks about who's going to be taking over, at least in the interim, um, for Tulsi Gabbard, a guy named Aaron Lucas, but let me read the posting. You're right. That is funny. Unfortunately, after having done a great job, Tulsi Gabbard will be leaving the administration on June 30th. Her wonderful husband, Abraham, has been recently diagnosed with a rare form of bone cancer, and she rightfully wants to be with him, bringing him back to good health as they currently

fight a tough battle together. I have no doubt he will soon be better than ever. Tulsi has done an incredible job, and we will miss her. Her highly respected principal deputy director of national intelligence, Aaron Lucas, will serve as acting director of national intelligence. All right. Let's find out who Aaron is. I'm looking at his bio, but he's He's a seasoned intelligence professional, former CIA chief of station. Do you know anything else about him? Can you give us any more insights? Yeah, he's a guy, and he's named Aaron.

Into this guy, Aaron Lucas. She does it again, this guy. She does it again, a guy. What is the point? What is the point of that? Who is his guy? Who is his guy? I'm looking now.

I mean, he was confirmed by the Senate in a sort of party line vote, but there was, I think he is experience, and I want to give him a chance. I don't know him specifically in his background very well. And I sort of agree with Mark here. Do some work. There's no good. This is going to be John Ratcliffe. So there'll be someone in that position. But one of the problems is that another key person,

the director of the National Counterintelligence Center, resigned because in opposition to the war with Iraq. So you now have no Senate confirmed director of National intelligence, you'll have an acting in that position and the NCTC. Wait, stop. Didn't he just a few seconds ago say that the long, use the term along party lines, they confirm this guy, Aaron? Yeah, yeah. Well, how is now is he saying there's no confirmed? What is he talking about? It's either confirmed or it's not. No, no, I do. Along party lines. But he's, let's listen again. Hold on.

with Iraq. So you now have no Senate-confirmed director of National Intelligence. You'll have an acting in that position, and the NCTC position is empty as well. So it's not great to have Joe Kent had resigned from the position of the director of the National Counterterance Rism Center. That is underneath

the ODNI. That's underneath Gavrid's old office. So this kind of vacancy and changes while the U.S. is at war, you know, is not great. And I want to reemphasize there should have been an intelligence assessment. How would Iran respond to being bombed? Would Iran try to seize control this trade-hormuz? And I'm just saying this for viewers. And that has to be an incredibly factual, rigorous assessment. Hold on. Stop it again.

Who says there wasn't? Who says there wasn't? MS. These guys just make it up as they go along. He doesn't know one way or the other. Yeah, I'm pretty sure they make it up as they go along. Yes. In fact, I'm quite sure.

They're getting most of their news off of X like everybody else. That's where that is. I don't know how anyone can watch this crap. Well, it's our job, John. No, I'm saying. MS now is a deplorable operation. Politics or, you know, the world. wishes of the president, frankly, it's important for intelligence to speak truth to power.

Truth to power. Because there was a mistake in this war. We didn't seem to anticipate that Iran would close the Strait of Hormuz. And, you know, you've now had to know that. He doesn't know that at all. He doesn't know that. It's possible that we exactly what we wanted. Yes. Months in a global energy crisis. So that's why having stability and nonpartisan people in these jobs is so important. Yeah, but it's nonpartisan. people in these jobs. Nonpartisan, my ass.

Well, this is one of these guys who's, you know, he's a contributor. So he wants to be contributing. He wants to keep contributing. So he's got to, you've got to say things that they want to hear the contributors say. I get it. He's just doing his job. I thought I had a Fox version of this story. Let me listen.

I want to move to this because there's some big news that happened last night. We learned that Tulsi Cabard, DNI director, has put in her resignation. And part of it is because, or the reason she says she is resigning is her husband, Abraham, has come down with a rare form of bone cancer. Those of us who know her and her husband, they are the most amazing people, are heartbroken over this. And yet, I want you to watch this montage of how the Democrats... They're doing super cuts now. ...have reacted to this news. This is the fourth woman to leave the administration in the...

past few months. In terms of the impact on U.S. foreign policy, I think it's basically irrelevant. She was entirely out of the loop on decision-making. This was because, basically, she's just not in sync with this administration. This is why her initials, D&I became Do Not Invite. You know, probably one of the worst things that I've read. Yeah. No, I'm pretty sure that this is a real resignation for those reasons.

I think she was having a good time. I think she actually... Yeah, she was, seemed to be. She was on a lot of podcasts, and she was yacking it up, and she seemed competent. And she did the thing about Obama, which nobody followed up on. Yep. And that was a big deal. Yeah.

So, I don't know. Here is, just to remind everybody, this is what she did. She did this years ago. Declassified by the office. of the director of national intelligence yesterday and released publicly just moments ago is an exchange of emails initiated by Michael S. Rogers, the four-star Admiral, now retired. Did you ever hear this? I never really heard this one about, we liked Rogers, Admiral Rogers, who was running the NSA. Yeah, he was a good guy. And he was the one that said, hey, this FBI guys,

you know, pulling all kinds of stuff. They're spying on you, dude. There's spying on you, man. But I never heard about this. This is about the intelligence assessment, which is very bad for Clapper. Who headed the National Security Agency in the second Obama term. Rogers wrote to his boss, then director of national intelligence, James Clapper, in late December of 2016, to say that he, the admiral, had just returned from overseas travel and had received an update on, quote, our efforts to produce a joint product related to Russian attribution and intent for the DNC D-Triple-C hacks.

I know that this activity is on a fast track, Rogers wrote, to put together a product that can be provided to the president. I asked my team if they'd had sufficient access to the underlying intelligence and sufficient time to review that intelligence. On both points, Rogers said, my team raised concerns. My folks aren't fully comfortable saying they've had enough time to review all of the intelligence, to be absolutely confident in their assessments, he wrote. I'm not saying that we disagree substantively, but I do want to make sure that when we are asked in the future, whether we can absolutely stand behind the paper, that we don't have any reason to hesitate because of the process.

If the intent is to create an integrated product, Roger said that is CIA, FBI, NSA jointly authored, that we can all defend, we need a process that allows us all to be comfortable, and I'm concerned we are not there yet. If NSA is intended to be a co-author of this product, Rogers said also, I personally expect to see even the most sensitive evidence related to the conclusion. If your intent is to create a CIA-only or CIA FBI-authored product, then Rogers concluded, I will stand down on these concerns. Had you ever heard about this?

No, no, not at all. There's a part two to this which really, really nails Clapper. On that email, Admiral Rogers cede FBI director James Comey seen its screen left, and CIA director John Brennan seen its screen right, flanking the DNI, James Clapper, seated in the middle for their joint congressional testimony 10 months before this email. February of 2016. Director Clapper took a little over 12 hours to reply to Admiral Rogers, and when he did, he addressed Brennan and Comey as well, suggesting they too during those 12 hours privately expressed views similar to those of Rogers. Clapper began. Mike, John, Jim,

understand your concern. It is essential that we, CIA, NSA, FBI, O'DNI, be on the same page, Clapper wrote, and were all supportive of the report. In the highest tradition of, that's our story, and we're sticking to it, quote unquote. This evening, Clapper continued, CIA has provided to the National Intelligence Council the complete draft generated by the ad hoc fusion cell. We will facilitate as much mutual transparency as possible as we complete the report,

but time Clapper warned is not negotiable. We may have to compromise on our normal modalities, since we must do this on such a compressed timetable. This, Clapper concluded, is one project that has to be a team sport, Jim. This latest declassification by director Tulsi Gabbard's office comes after she referred these matters to the Justice Department for additional investigation. And Attorney General Pam Bondi then directed the impanlement of a federal grand jury in Florida.

Yeah. Clapper. We always knew this guy was the loser. Yeah. He's the one that screws it all up. And he did. Oh, well, you know, we have no. The timeline is important, so we may have to, you know, go away from our regular modalities, i.e. just write something up. I think this is more smoking gun than people realize.

I think so, too. But then I, you know, went over to Bondi. That was the end of it. Well, no, no, no, no. Bondi referred it to, no, no, no. I think DeGenoa is doing that stuff in Florida. Isn't that DeGenema, isn't he running that? I think so. What? The, what? Yes, DeGeno and his life. Yes, yes. What, the sealed indictments guy?

Yes, yes. No, that guy's not even in the picture. He is, he is. Yes, he is. DeGenoa. Let me see. Yes, yes. You're, I'm telling you.

Well, you can be telling me all you want. I want some evidence. Yeah, I'm looking, I thought I had a clip about him. Joe DeGener. I know Gorka's back in the picture. What's he doing? Well, I don't know, but somebody mentioned, he's part of the administration now doing something.

Sebastian Gorka. Now I'm going to have, here, here, here, Clapper. I'm telling you, it was, I'm telling you, it was, I'm telling you, it's DeGenoa and his wife. You were having a vivid dream. No, no, no, no, hold on a second. Well, let's, uh, let's ask the book of knowledge. That'll, that'll do it. Let me see.

Where is, uh, oh, man. Here we go. Where is this out? Okay. So, book of knowledge, yes. Hopefully this is a word. Book of knowledge. Is Joe de Genoa involved in the grand jury in Florida about Russiagate?

It's a long, long, long search for the book of knowledge. According to the book of knowledge, Joe de Genova will oversee the SpyGate probe in Florida after the DOJ removed a deep state prosecutor and is heading up a Florida-based federal investigation into former federal officials who investigated Trump. He assumes leadership of the ongoing grand jury probe based in Fort Pierce, with the investigation being overseen by U.S. attorney Jason Redding Kinyonis

and using a grand jury run by Judge Eileen Cannon. Thus, it has been written. Told you. Oh, that's going to go nowhere then. Well, that's a possibility. But for some reason, they brought him back in. To kill it. Well, I see.

We'll see. We'll see. Okay, I got two clips here. I don't have a clip blitz if we have time for it. Oh, goodness. Let's do the newer UFO files just released an NBC clip. Yes, new, new, new. New, new.

This night newly released UFO files, like this one in Kazakhstan, a mysterious object lighting up the night sky. Other videos showing pulsing balls of light, flying erratically and seeming to defy laws of physics. Some even appearing to fly in formations. Part of the Pentagon's release of more than 50 declassified videos and firsthand accounts following President Trump's directive to release government UFO files. The files include audio of astronauts decades ago describing mysterious bright lights and particles. There's a whole bunch of big ones on my weather that are just bright. Let's like the 4th of July, I'd run. That's literally from Gemini 7, which is like, you know, I don't know, was I even born when

this came out? I don't think so. In this report from last year, in an encounter that lasted over an hour, a U.S. intelligence officer reported oval-shaped orange orbs coming within 10 feet of a U.S. helicopter, splitting in two and speeding away, leaving military and intelligence professionals speechless. Other videos may have an explanation. Here a U.S. F-16 fighter jet shoots down an object over mission. Michigan's Lake Huron in 23.

The same day the Pentagon said it shot down a possible Chinese spy balloon over that lake. Experts tell us no video release so far proves any... Hold on, stop. The spy balloon wasn't shot down over Lake Huron. It was shot down over the Atlantic. Well, there were two spy balloons, weren't there? I don't remember two. All I remember is the one that they let go floating all over the place.

It was a daily news item. And then once it got to the... The Atlantic, they shot it down. With a missile, with a million dollar missile. Yeah. I think there was another one that floated down, and that's how they figured out it was from China. Pretty sure there was another one. I'm not convinced of that.

But it wasn't Shiemuel. Hey, don't make me consult the book of knowledge. Object over Michigan's Lake Huron in 2023. The same day the Pentagon said it shot down a possible Chinese spy balloon over that lake. Experts tell us no video release so far proves any extraterrestrial visit. There's nothing in any of these that, proves anything about alien life. All it shows you is that there is stuff in the sky

that initially can't be explained. This was the Pentagon's second release of UFO files, and they're expected to roll out the next one in the coming weeks. Yes, I'm pretty sure that we are only, what are we now, two and a half weeks away from Stephen Spielberg's Disclosure Day. Yeah, then the releases will end after the movie does its thing. Well, yes, it probably will. I'll see if I had any...

No, I just say that's not important. Let's go to the next item, which is the Ebola update, BBC. Yes, yes. This is interesting. Health officials in the Democratic Republic of Congo say the current Ebola outbreak has resulted in more than 200 deaths in three provinces. Dez. Earlier on Saturday, the government suspended all flights to and from one of the epicenters, the northeastern city of Bunea. Thomas Nadi reports.

It's unusual for the DRC government to suspend flights during any. outbreak. Previously, airline operators have made this decision for themselves. The Transport Ministry said the measure was to prevent any cross-border spread of the epidemic and to guarantee the health and safety of passengers, crews and airport staff. The Transport Ministry did not say it was banning humanitarian, medical or emergency flights, but that these will be assessed and will require approval from health and aviation authorities. The Democratic Republic of Congo's football team say they will not change their preparations

for next month's World Cup, despite being told to isolate by the United States because of the Ebola outbreak. A White House official said the squad needed to remain in a bubble for 21 days before traveling to the US. I love the bubble. But a Congolese spokesperson said all the players were based outside the DRC

and their plans remains the same. Well, since you brought it up, I've got our scarf lady back again. She's still in the news. Deborah Birx. The WHO, rather, says there are now almost 750 suspected cases in the Congo, around the Congo, and nearly 200 deaths. How does the severity of this situation compare to previous outbreaks? Well, the problem with this particular outbreak is there was probably two, three or four cycles

of infection before it was even reported. And so a lot of the numbers you're seeing and the rapid rise of the numbers is because it went undetected and underreported for probably three or four. weeks. That resulted in a lot of case reporting all at once. And so I can't really tell you what the slope of new cases are, which is really the important thing when you're following an acute infectious disease. But just to make it very clear to your audience, the people we are seeing today that are cases were probably infected two weeks ago. And so I think that's what makes us all concerned is we're looking at this virus and this outbreak with really old data. Now, I'm only playing her cliffs,

because she, for one, said something that was interesting and a little counterintuitive to the narrative. And this is on CBS. As you know, in the past year and a half, the Trump administration has largely dismantled U.S. aid. It has withdrawn. Come on, Deborah, blame it on Trump. You know, I had this clip. Well, you don't have it. Blaming USAID for everything.

But wait. From the World Health Organization, it cut funding to the Congo and Uganda. do you think that those moves contributed to the delay in reporting this outbreak? And are they contributing to the lack of supplies in dealing with the outbreak in the Congo? Now, do you really have this clip or do you have a clip like it? No, I didn't have that exactly, but I had a clip where they're blaming USAID because obviously it's our job to keep the Congo from getting Ebola. and it's our job to monitor the Congo. And the Congolese themselves and everybody in Africa,

they got nothing to do with anything because they're too stupid. So USAID has to be there and it's been gutted by Trump. So this whole thing is Trump's fault. That's what she's angling for, our Nancy Cordes. But Berks has a different story. Well, when I look what the administration has done recently, I think they put $50, 100 million out there immediately and sent people that's part of the response.

I think the bigger question to me is a lot of us in the global community. The global community, John, are you and I in the global community? Well, it's possible sometimes maybe we touch on it. And the global community. A lot of us in the global community invested extensively in creating the African CDC for this very reason, for this very response, hundreds of millions of dollars went into building laboratory capacity, in the DRC at the African CDC.

And for some reason, that failed us. And so what we need to do is figure out. Aha. So we put hundreds of millions of dollars, hundreds of millions of dollars in the global community, into the African CDC. So we paid for it, our CDC in Africa. And for some reason, it failed.

Aha. Why didn't we detect this earlier? Why didn't the institutions that we all stood up as a global community effectively control this? outbreak early. I think you guys are just there to spread disease. You're not actually there to combat it. So that it didn't spread as far and wide as it has within the DRC. I understand it's a conflict area, but we have to do better. We owe it to the people in the DRC. And now listen to what she says about USAID. This, it completely destroys the narrative. I hear what you're saying about the fact that

the money is now flowing from the U.S. to the region. But we talk to aid workers in the region as well. who said that a lot of local programs were terminated after U.S.Aid was dismantled, programs aimed at Ebola preparedness and response. And so they just don't have the same capacity as they did before. Hold on a second. Is this CBS? Yep. So this is Ellison's crowd, and this is what's her name, Barry Weiss.

And they're on the side of like re-arming U.S. AID and a scam that it is with the money laundering that goes on with that thing? This is TBS. Why is Nancy Cordes even to have a job? They are only doing what Israel tells them to do, John. Don't you know that? Because Larry Allison, you know. She talked about leading the witness.

But listen to the answer. As they did before. I think it's a great question. And we need to really look at that. I know CDC's Global Health Security Program was retic. and a lot of that funding retained. I know we had people in Kinschasa as part of the CDC. If you look at the Uganda funding,

now I'm looking at it from the HIV side, which really built a lot of the laboratory capacity. This year they're getting over $400 million. So maybe there was a 5% cut. But I think the American people were thinking that these programs had been slashed. If you look at the MOUs and the agreements that the U.S. government have been made, I've actually been reassured by the numbers that are there on page. paper.

Ha. Gotcha. Thank you, Deborah Burke's. Unexpected. Yeah, that was good. That's a great... I'm giving you a clip of the day for that. I am going to accept it with great honor.

If I could find my clip of the day. Yes. With great honor. Great honor is that I look for it. Hold on. I found it. There's the clip of the day. Got a note from one of our producers,

Boots on the ground. As you guys recently mentioned a lawsuit against an AI company where it kid asked it was okay to mix Xanax with Kratom. Yeah, is a great note, by the way. I am aware of this claim because I'm in a couple of pro-Kratom groups. Now, we have to say we have a producer who makes Kratum drinks. He has sent me these Kratom drinks. I don't even know what Kratum is.

It's a plant. The Indians chew this all the time. Indians or American Indians? No, Indians. Indian, in India? India. In India, yes. Oh, okay.

It's like, okay. And they extract the sap and they do all kinds of stuff. Yeah, they chew it. And I remember our producer sent me like 24 bottles and the post office was all mad because three of them exploded in the box. It was a huge mess. But I drank one or two. What did you do to you? Yeah, it gives you a little like minor body buzz, I guess.

Body buzz. Yeah, a little body buzz. But what, and when we talk about this is years ago, people were saying, that they had been hooked on heroin, they had all kinds of drug dependency issues, and Kratum was in fact what was responsible for them getting off of that. And it's a natural product. Now, there is a synthesized version,

which is not what our producers are talking about. So this producers, in a lot of pro-Kratum groups, I just recently noticed that this is the same case that led to Kratom being banned in Tennessee, where I sit at this very moment. The part this AI lawsuit and the Tennessee band both leave out is that the kid was, this is what the kids do, maybe it's a TikTok challenge. The kids want to see the hat man, quote unquote, the hat man,

by taking insane doses of Benadryl, an act that leads to hallucination. So the implication here from our producers that it was the overdose, posting on Benadryl that made the kid kill himself, not the Kratom and not the Xanax, but man, it sure did contribute to that law being passed. Covering the state capital now, Tennessee passes a full ban on what's often referred to as gas station heroin after ongoing debate over the effects of Kratom. Kratom is derived from a Southeast Asian plan, and supporters say when it's in its natural form, Kratom can help curb opioid addiction and manage pain.

So it makes total sense that we would ban that plant because can't get involved with the drug companies. Now can we? But Tennessee legislators sided with caution this week, aligning with advocates who say Kratom in any form can lead to addiction and even deadly overdoses. Tennessee now joins eight other states in banning Kratum entirely even in its natural form. And that's the problem. So banning the natural plants. got to read the end of the guy's note.

Well, that's all I had in my, what is, what did you have at the end of his note? The end of the note was he got a hold of the toxicology report on the kid. I'm sorry, yes, he did. He got a hold of the toxicology report. Yeah, well, read that. That's the best part. I don't have that in my notes. Oh, okay.

Well, I just tell you what it says. Yeah. He had, he had four times the, four times the lethal dose of bedadryl in his system. Yeah. So I, yeah, I had almost. everything except for the punch line. Well,

precise. I hand back my clip of the day. This bill addresses the growing public health and safety concerns surrounding Kratom, often marketed as a natural supplement, but natural does not mean safe. The Kratom plant has been used as an alternative to opioids, a way to wean addicts off heroin, and as a natural way to relieve pain.

But in recent years, Kratom has been modified in a stronger synthetic form known as 7 hydroxy or 7.0H, often sold at gas stations and vape shops as a supplement or extract. Experts say 70H is 13 more times potent than morphine. Yeah, okay. So there's a synthetic version, which obviously is a problem. But the plant itself, I mean, I think that should be investigated. Where is RFK Jr.? This should be investigated? because I've heard I've got guys got enough problems I've heard nothing but positive things

nothing but positive things about Kratum the plant not the vap shop gas station heroin or whatever they're calling it so well I've heard nothing at all

Red 33 Red 33 Clip Blitz All right clip Blitz what are we doing Okay let's start with voting rights and athletes The NAACP is urging black athletes who are being recruited by public universities and states weakening the power of black voters

to not commit to going to those schools until those state governments restore fair congressional maps. The Civil Rights Group is targeting eight states in the south where major college football and basketball programs made up of mostly black players rake in big money. The NACP is also asking college athletes to elevate the issue and call on leaders to speak out against racial redistricting.

It's also urging alumni, donors and fans to withhold financial support. Several Republican-led states are racing to redraw congressional districts in an effort to flip seats, effectively diluting black voting power. All right. Yeah, yeah, that's going to work. Screw the black athletes. I'm sorry.

Steve Hiltonhead. Ah, Steve Hiltonhead in the clipblitz. What is going on with the clipblitz? Steve Hilton. So we're being recruited. Oh, there's a long lead-in to the eclipse. The NACP is urging black athletes who are being recruited by publicly. No, that's not.

Yeah, where's Hilton head? All right, skip it. Go ahead and lift dry. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Let's try it again. Hold on. Don't move. Republican commentator Steve Hilton and former health secretary Javier Bacera, a Democrat, continue to lead the primary for California governor. KQD politics correspondent Guy Marsarotti has more on a new survey from the state Democratic Party. The poll finds Hilton leading the pack with the support of 22 percent of likely voters.

Bacera is in second with 21% followed by investor Tom Steyer with 15%. 13% of voters remain undecided just two weeks before the June 2 primary. Their survey could ease some Democrats' fears about two Republicans advancing to November under the state's top two primary. It finds Hilton has opened a comfortable lead over Riverside County Sheriff Chad Bianco. We got to make it illegal. Make it illegal. That can't happen. We can't have that happen. Red, 33. Clip Blitz. Clip Blitz. All right, clip Blitz. Lyft driver used AI photos.

To the index, a father from Boca Raton, Florida, claiming a Lyft driver used AI photos to falsely accuse his teen daughters of damaging his car, charging a $75 fee. They sent the father photos, but at the bottom right, the Gemini logo. Now, Gemini is Google's AI assistant that can generate false images. Lyft has now apologized and blocked the driver from their app. It's another no agenda. Hibh, Kliberlitz. Was that it?

That's a good one. Elon Musk lawsuit. Uh, hold on. Elon Musk lawsuit. Yes. Welcome back. This just in tonight. A jury has thrown out Elon Musk's massive lawsuit against Open AI and Sam Altman.

A federal jury found that Musk waited too long to sue. He had accused Altman of illegally enriching himself off the company that must help start with him. Musk says he will appeal saying the judge didn't rule on the merits of that case. All right. Now can I play a couple of clips about AI stuff since you've led us here with your cliplets or is there more cliblets? There's a couple more. Oh, can we... Don't give me that. Can we take your cliplets is like three.

This one here, I want to play this one because this is a sad one. Three clipblitzes. Oh, okay. Sad one. All right. It's another no agenda. All right. CBS Radio signs off.

Yeah. Have you heard this? Yeah, of course. Before there was television, long before. there were podcasts, CBS Radio basically invented broadcast news. In big cities and remote farmhouses, families would gather around the radio to hear President Roosevelt deliver a fireside chat. Now we've got Mondami on Twitch. Or Edward R. Murrow's eyewitness accounts of the Blitz. This is London, being bombed again. Half an hour ago I could read street signs in the

flight of anti-aircraft batteries. Little patches of sparks on the pavements marked the point of for Shrapnel. Broadcast like that one brought the sound of the world into people's living rooms. In the process, CBS Radio made the world a little smaller, and listeners' vision a little broader. Generations of talented wordsmiths polished their craft at CBS. Before Charles Corralt went on the road, and Peggy Noonan penned speeches for presidents, they got their start working overnights, pounding away at typewriters, painting vivid pictures for the ear. CBS Radio is still carried on some 700 stations.

But fewer people are listening to the radio these days. There are other ways to entertain yourself in the car now, and young people have grown to expect more personalized programming from their smartphones. CBS's parent company was sold to David Ellison's Skydance Media last year. The new owners announced two months ago they were silencing the microphones and laying off the radio staff. Christopher Cruz is set to deliver the final CBS Radio Newscast just after 1130 Eastern Time tonight. Well, in an interesting twist, this was, there was a prophecy about this happening back in 1990. And the prophecy is this.

Because if you listen, how does this start off? This starts off by them saying, before there was television, long before there were podcasts. Right. So our first house, the first house I bought in New Jersey in 1990, I bought from Dallas Townsend. Does that name ring a bell to you? Sounds familiar, but I can't place it at the moment. He was the quintessential CBS radio news guy. And when we bought the house, there was a big picture of Walter Cronkite above the fireplace.

Oh, God. And so in an odd sort of way, that was the passing of the torch 10 years before podcasting came to be. so that was in fact a prophecy how's it a prophecy well because I'm making it into one hello okay hello I'm just making it up as they go along John yeah you're just like you're the MS now people

oh okay I'm gonna cut you off if you talk to me like that that I mean you might as well just say I'm horrible I'm a horrible person all right clip blitz come on clipblitz it's another no agenda okay well the last if you want to play one more than Minnesota I don't really, but yeah, I'll do it. Well, you don't have to. No, now we've announced it.

We did a Cliplas jingle. Well, then play the, uh, play this Minnesota. Which is it? It doesn't say, I don't have a Minnesota. Classic cars. Classic cars. Minnesota lawmakers want to ground your classic car five days a week. Yeah, I saw this.

A new Minnesota bill could ban most weekday and nighttime driving for classic cars. Now, this is kind of wild. Of course, we enjoy seeing classic cars. cars on the road. It brings a smile to everyone's face you'd think, but that experience might be about to become even rarer in Minnesota because the new law, if passed, would limit classic cars to driving only on weekends or at special events. Well, okay, I saw this story and someone sent it to me.

It was like, they're getting classic cars off the road. Hey, that's only because these people want cheap registration. If you register your car as a car, you can drive it whenever you want. Yeah, that's true. It's kind of misleading. It's kind of misleading. Very misleading. But the same time, what is the point?

I mean, but this is now misleading, maybe, but is this a foreboding? Is this a prophecy, perhaps? That's going to start to move the older cars out because they don't have computers that can track you. Ah, through the data centers and the flock cameras and the license plate readers? Hmm. Absolutely. Coincidence? I think not.

I shall wind us up here with a few clips from CNBC. I like CNBC because they kind of can't lie. Well, they can. They can, but it doesn't go over with investors. It doesn't go over well, you know, with their audience at all, however small it is. This is about the AI IPOs. And we're now starting to get some information, starting off with SpaceX's IPO. And I thought it was a relatively intelligent conversation about getting out first,

who's making money, who's doing what. And for those of you who get value from the show by hearing us talk about things, maybe this is a value to you. Last night, though, around dinnertime here in the Bay Area, the SpaceX prospectus dropped. Drop. Drop. Pick it up.

I remember when we went public in 96, well, it looks like think new ideas have filed their S-1 document. Now it's just, looks like it dropped. Last night, though, around dinnertime here in the Bay Area, the SpaceX prospectus dropped. And it was a 308-page document that is part rocket company, part satellite empire, part frontier AI lab, all wrapped in a controlled company structure

with Elon Musk holding a majority of the board. Now, the AI segment, that is the part that I want to dig into today because essentially all paths in that S-1 lead back to AI. You're right. This lady could be replaced by an AI and AI agent going as, let's do a deep dive. The financials have three main sections, space, connectivity, and AI. The AI segment, it did $3.2 billion in revenue last year on $6.4 billion of losses. Now, the eye-popping number, though, that was KAPX, as it often is these days.

Nearly $13 billion on AI infrastructure, which is four. four times the revenue it is currently bringing in. So if you are a bear, the math here in this S-1, it's pretty straightforward. If it's a $2 trillion valuation, as has been reported and speculated, on $18 billion in total revenue last year, you're looking at more than 100 times sales. For Context, Nvidia trades at around 23 times. Palantir, one of the most stretched names in the public market around 88. So SpaceX would be coming in higher than either of them.

And it's not actually profitable. It is losing money. Here's the other thing, though. SpaceX has never been priced on traditional measures, and that is unlikely to change right now. This is a growth bet on Elon Musk full stop. And the same investors who bought SpaceX... Did she say full stop in the middle of a sentence?

Yes. But she never stopped. No, that's bad form. I agree. Private rounds at $400, $500, $600 billion. They did it because of him. The retail demand on day one, likely going to be enormous.

And whatever you think of Musk's politics or pay package, he has done something that, no one else has built category defining companies not once or twice three times. So that bet on SpaceX, it also matters beyond this IPO itself because Open AI is reportedly planning a confidential filing as soon as this week. Anthropic may not be far behind. Players in the infrastructure layer underneath, all of them are watching Q and trying to figure out their own windows. What was the bell for?

I just felt like that bell was needed. So in this... Anthropics, not far behind. In this follow... In this follow-up clip, they're going to give you some insight about the differences between the three. I thought it was reasonably good.

I'm not sure it matters too much who goes first. Okay, the No Agenda Show disagrees. Whoever goes first is going to be the big winner. Everyone else, we don't think that's a good idea. Every so often, there's something like this happens. The first one goes and they did the big winner. Then the next one goes. and then something screwy happens, and then it folds, and the third one gets nothing.

I'm not sure it matters too much who goes first. It does matter. It does. I think they're just so different in the models. You know, obviously, SpaceX is really a bet on Elon and his vision. Open AI, I think, is really a bet on the consumerization of AI. And I know Open AI recently has started to move away from the consumer model and more to Enterprise. but their DNA has been a consumer-first AI company.

Anthropic from the beginning was, hey, we're an enterprise solution. And so I think one of the things to think about is where do investors believe the future, at least in the near term, near to medium term, right, the next two to five years, where should they place their chips? They could place on both, but if you have to pick one, do you pick on AI and consumers, or do you pick on AI and the enterprise? And that's in the private market, that was the trade for venture. For the venture capitalists that believe in AI will be a consumer application first before anything else, bet on open AI and the ones that believed it was the enterprise, bet on Anthropic.

And I think now retail and the rest of us will get to make that choice. I'm going to give you my opinion. You just say blah, blah, blah. Well, you should have cut him short then. You should give your opinion instead of you listen to that. What's your opinion? I don't have an opinion. Exactly.

As crazy as he seems, I think Elon Musk is actually doing. the smartest thing. It may never come to be his data centers in space. I don't know. But he's selling compute to Anthropic. I think he's giving up on the, on the LLM business. And Grok will just be whatever it is for people to go, Hey, Grock, take a shirt off.

And, hey, Grock, remove the loser. Or, hey, Grock, remove the Jew. They do this all the time. You've seen that? No. It's funny, though. They do this. It's so horrible.

I think Musk has the right idea. Be in the cheapest infrastructure business, once you get those things up in space using the sun. And I don't know about Anthropic and Open AI. But then my final clip will be from Jeff Bezos, who has a very different take on AI taking your job away. So there are so many smart people, and they are smart. And they are saying, oh my God, you know,

There's going to be no more radiologists because, you know, AI can read X-rays better than a radiologist can, and there are going to be no more software engineers because AI can program better than a software engineer can. These people are wrong. So what's really going to happen is that it's going to elevate all of these people. And it's going to, it's like you've been digging, let's say you're a software engineer. Right. The analogy I can give you is you've been digging out a basement for your house. with a shovel

and somebody who's about to hand you a bulldozer you should be so happy if you're digging the basement to your house and somebody says hey how about this I have a tool here that's going to and what's really going to happen is we're going to have so much productivity in our economy that for example

this is just one effect a lot of people who have two earner income households Right. One of the people is going to drop out of the workforce. That's why we're going to have a labor shortage. People, because of the productivity gains, you're going to be able to afford things.

We're going to have, I predict, will actually have deflation of certain core. Assuming we let this technology play out and don't, you know, hamstring it with regulation too early, we will actually have, you know, everything will get, food will get cheaper. Whoa. Now that's a different take. I like it. I think he's right. I'm with you on that.

Food will get super good. I'm surprised by that because you hated this AI thing. Well, I hated the chat part of it. Yes, I thought that was stupid. I've been using AI for all kinds of things. That's true. You're like an acolyte. I don't know what that means.

That figures. But if it's a prophecy. But you're one of them. But I want to wear that mantle. And I also want to thank you for your courage, say in the morning to you, the man who put the sea in Kawabunga. Say hello to my friend on the other end, the one, the only Mr. John C. Yeah, well, in the morning to you, Mr. Adam Curry. I think K is a cowabunga spelled with a K. I'm John.

No, it's not. In the morning, all ships, sea boots the ground, feeding the air, subs to the water, the names of ice out there. It's definitely spelled with a C. Joe Count. Let me count the controls for a second. Oh, that's interesting. 1602 on a, on a Memorial Day week. that's not too bad.

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who works in the field is an expert because they just happen to do that job. And when you let us know, that's how we make everything much better for the program. The producers, because we don't have listeners, the producers really are, would make it all fly. In addition to that, we have artists. Well, we used to have artists. I was talking about this the other day at the dinner table. So we used to have a lot of artists. Now we have prompters. The artists are all gone. I don't think we've had a, well, Nestworks,

I think, does kind of some art still, blue acorn. But have we had any of the old guard? Nick the rat is trying some AI stuff. But, I don't know. We haven't quite gotten to that Bezos promise yet that is only going to be better for them. How do you feel? I like the art we get. It's always been sketchy. It's true.

Well, so what Nessworks is, and Nessworks was the art that we chose for episode 1870 titled VBS. Took a while to get that up on No Agenda Show.net, but we finally got that figured out. It was there, but it was the wrong number. And Void Zero and I are going to try and make that less of a problem when things go wrong. But Nesswork created this. And I think he did more of this by hand than by AI. What do you think? This Flamingo.

Well. It had a different look for sure. It's hard to say. I mean, it could have been all AI. Or it could have been, you know, a cut and paste job. I don't know. Yeah. But I think...

Maybe he can tell us. Yes, please, Nestworks. Let us know. Looking at no agenda, art generator.com, that's where Sir Paul Couture spends a lot of his time making sure that we aren't spammed and we don't have, I don't know, like like, uh, art inappropriate art flowing into the art generator, which is, uh, it's very obvious for people who like to do that. And it is Memorial Day weekend.

So I would recommend that the artists give us Memorial Day themed art. I'm with you on that. Not Cuba. Did we even talk about Rubio and Cubio? Cubio. There you go, Cubio. Yeah, you played a bunch of stuff. Did I?

I don't remember. Not on Cuba, but you just played Rubio. Yeah. Looking at the artwork that we receive, we had some screw lube art that babes are overrated. You used the No Agenda Podcasting Vacation School for the newsletter. That was nice. Oh, yeah.

And there was babes, just lots of babes. Too many babes. We're not going to choose babes all the time. And it's not so funny to have women falling down manhole covers or manholes in New York. We found that kind of gruesome. Manhole because the lady died. It wasn't that nice. She died?

Who fell down the manhole, yeah. Oh, I don't know that. Yeah. She burned up. It was scalding hot. It was a bad, very, very bad day for her. No, I don't think there was anything else we really liked. Was anything that you recall that we discussed?

No, the one I liked was the one we picked. Yeah, that was it. It was very, I would say the selection was paltry. Yes. Noagendaartgenerator.com is where you can upload your art. Everybody can participate. We appreciate when you do. And thank you very much for your ultimate courage of supporting the best podcast in the universe.

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We appreciate that. And says, it's time to become a red knight. So it's $1,030.60. That's what that. 26. 26, I'm sorry. And Christian says, it's time to become a red knight.

I need the biggest dose of health karma you're legally allowed to give. Well, we can determine that, no problem. We have a governor on it, but we can take it that off. We're unscrewing that thing. One month ago, my aunt was hospitalized with bacterial meningitis. She's been awaiting a heart surgery of her own after weeks of fighting infections and other horrible things. Things are stabilizing, but not improving. I think a red knighthood is the appropriate move at the...

this time. I've struggled a long time with my faith. I don't know if it's appropriate or not, but I ask my fellow producers to keep my aunt in their prayers. She is a beautiful and joyful woman, and God knows her family needs her in their lives. On a lighter note, I would like to be knighted as Sir, yes, sir, of the you know where, and he winds up with thank you for your courage. So we're going to do some extra super stuff for you and for your aunt. Here we go. You've got karma. You've got prayers. There you go.

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My life has never and will never be the same without him. We look forward to our no agenda nights twice a week on Sundays. We learned so much. from your show, especially during COVID, and thank you, she says. I could fill pages with examples of what a wonderful husband and best friend he was, but nobody has that much time. So I'll just say that in all of our years together, we never had a fight. I've been meaning to write in and make him a night.

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Jay Bones' loving wife, Caddy Bones. To the gate, to the gate, to the climate gates. Classic, classic, classic. We're with Erin and Lopez in Santa Rosa, California, 1,000. and he sent a note in, a physical note. Hello, John and Adam.

I'm a first-time donor. I couldn't pass up the chance to become a red night on my first donation. I have been listening to the show since COVID and felt the need to return the value in these trying times. I'm entering my final year of college. Wow. I like this at Sonoma State.

And I would like some Jobs Karma, Pelosi Jobs Karma, the classic, of course, as I search for an accounting internship. Thanks for all that you do. Please knight me as Sir Blue Wolf of the Bean Counter. Sincerely, Erin, Aaron, Aaron, it's H-E. Arnon. Ernon.

Ernon. Ernon. Erna-on. Lopez. He's got a pronunciation guide for his name, but Lopez is what we call him. And I'm going to deduce him. He didn't ask for it, but first time. donor.

You've been deduced. Jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs. Yucca, Parma. And we drop straight from the executive producers in the thousands down to our first associate executive producer, Chris Dubendorf from Brookville, Maryland, 257-94. Did not have a note, but does have an American flag emoji, so I'm going to say that is likely for Memorial Day, and I will still add a double-up karma for you.

You've got. So we didn't have one normal executive producer. Yeah, we did. Oh, executive. No, well, I mean, what do you mean normal? 33333. Okay. Well, that's a 333.

We had four executive producers. No, I'm saying normal. Oh, okay. Dame Melavation. in Colorado Springs 250. She wrote an attached note. She's got kind of interesting handwriting. Dear JCD and AC,

here's some value. This is probably a 250 donation for the 250. Yeah, 250 years, yeah. Yeah, this was a promotion. You put it in the newsletter. I remember. Yeah, we got one. I'm pretty sure Chris was one as well,

and the fees were $7.94, just guessing. Okay. Celebrating 250. years of this great nation. You two will be part of this country's history. I think so after 20 years. By keeping our amygdala small, it's good to hear John being back to his old self, but with a seemingly slightly softer edge, my dad had triple bypass at the age of 52, and he's still around at 87. John, you have 30 more good years left. Please keep the best podcast in the universe going until after J.D.

or Marco are sworn in as number 48. And he's got, oh, okay, thank you for all that you do for all the producers and the many blessings on everyone. Peace and joy, Dame Mellevation, Melanie Drys. Oh, very nice, Dame Elevation. Thank you for celebrating our country with us. Matthew Benjamin, Clark, Samant, Pennsylvania. And he says, Dear Adam and John. Oops, sorry, hold on a second.

Dear Adam and John, in my quest to one day make a living as an author, oh, well, you talk to John, that's what I got to talk about. I've recently transitioned to the value for value model for the distribution of my books. How about that? So this donation is a thank you for a great show and for giving me hope that the V4V model can work for me. And for anyone in Gitmonation that's looking for a good read, visit matbberights.com. M-A-T-B-R-I-T-E-S, Matt B-R-I-T-E-S, Matt B-R-R-T-E-S-Mat. I've got something for everyone, and it's all free.

No, no, no, no. See, this is not how you do the value for value model. I'll just help you right there. And as an added thank you, any donations I receive in the next month will be split with the no agenda show. Adam, if you can find it, I'd love to hear the Abu Bakar al-Baddi-Dadi jingle, and I'd love to have some prayers. Well, you're lucky.

I actually found the Abur, Badi, Baghdadi jingo. But John, could you please explain to him how the value for value model works for books? Because you have done this with Mimi and Too Many Eggs.com. Yeah, you have the book available as a PDF that it's free with the idea that the book will be downloaded and someone will end up buying a printed version.

And the idea is that you want to, you want to sell or they download it and give you what they think it's worth in the value for value method. But I mean, using the word free has got to be minimized. Yeah, got to go. That has to go. But did it work well for the Too Many Eggs.com books? I think it worked well, yeah.

Last night, but we saw a lot of books. I mean, the idea of the, it was a little different with the Too Many Eggs. So we have a commercial version of the book, which is printed. And that's not done value for value. Got it. Here we go. And that's the idea. And that goal is to push people in that direction.

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Daddy is dead. And he died in a vicious and violent way. He died like a dog. There it is. You've got prayers. Thanks for requesting that. I hadn't heard that in a long time. I was what the died like a dog refers to.

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Actually, I think the Hanta is over. Hanta has been pushed to the back seat. It better be. It's all Ebola. Both have been lingering in the headlines a little too long. But I guess... Hey, by the... Can you play the Ebola jingle at the end of this?

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Thanks for reminding me. I'll have to bring those back if this nonsense keeps up. It will for a while. Ben Sterling in College Station, Texas. Oh, Ben. Dude name Ben. Two hundred. Good old Ben.

Yep. This donation should bring me to Viscount. Wow. Please give me jobs, Carmas. I just interviewed for my boss's job and being a VP for a Fortune 250 company before 40 would be cool. Ask anyone. Also, everyone should give a listen to just two good old boys podcast with Sir Gene and I. Barron's soon-to-be Viscount dude named Ben, defender of men.

Megawatts, protector of the electric grid. Sincerely, Ben Sterling. Yes, Ben gives us a lot of good information about what's really happening in the electric grids. Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs. Let's vote for jobs. And coming in, as she always does, with $200, it is Linda Lupakin from Castle Rock, Colorado. And she wants Jobs Karma and says your resume has about 10 seconds to make an impression. And most don't.

For a resume that gets results, go to Imagemakers Inc.com. Linda helps professionals and executives turn their experience into a clear story of leadership results and impact that's, you know, maybe Ben. Maybe you should talk to Linda for getting that VP gig. She helps professionals and executives turn their experience into a clear story of leadership results and impact. That's ImageMakers Inc. with a K. And Linda Liu, Duchess of Jobs and Writer of Winning Resumies. Jobs, Jobs, Jobs and Jobs. Let's vote for jobs.

You've got our money. And we continue with the rest of our supporters in the time, talent, and treasure. Treasure portion, that is, over a value-for-value model. We have, and we'll have a meetup in a moment. Actually, first we have Sir Ever of the What, Linwood, Michigan, 1-2-3.45. We love it when you do that. And here's the Indy No Agenda Meetup, which will be a switcheroo. It's a row of sticks, 11.11 cents.

This just took place. I've got a nice meetup coming up for you. Indy, no agenda meetup raffle, switcheroo. It's a donation for Sir Ripoff the Maple. Donation value for value from one of the best monthly meetups out there. Congratulations to Sir Rupoff, ripoff of the maple for winning the money. Donation Raffle draw and to newbie attendee Tony for runner-up prize, a bottle of JCD Costco recommended Cabernet. Hey, I mean, this is fantastic.

Which Cabernet was that? Was that the Kirkland? I believe so. Newbies always win at the IndyNA meetups. Pro audio meetup report by the amazing Annette Love is lit. M&M of the Greenwood, Dame Marie of the Greek kingdoms, Sir Mark of the Greenwood Warden of the Crossroads. Thank you so much. Dame Rita, sparks Nevada, $105.24. She says we're the best.

Thank you. Dame Earl, Early Turtle, Topeka, Kansas, 103, 333. Seana Norberg, Bellingham, Washington, $100, love you mean it. Kevin McLaughlin, he is the Archduke of Luna, lover of America, and boobs Concord, North Carolina,

with his boob donation, every single show, $80.8. God bless America and melons. Sir Edward the Henpecked, Omaha, Nebraska, 6523. It's a birthday donation for his loving wife on May 23rd. It was yesterday to celebrate our winning anniversary, May 24th, which is today. She loves to torment me,

but I don't know what I'd do without her. Say, Edward the Henpeck. Barrenser, Phenom, Appleton, Wisconsin, $60.08. That's something that's lopsided, I guess. Matthew Elwart, Weatherford, Texas, with small boobs, $60.6. Same from Les Tarkowski, and he's in Kingman, Arizona. Dame, Nancy of the Confused, San Bruno, California, 5244. She says, thank you for working on the holiday weekend.

That, I'm thank you for noticing. It's true. Cold Dial, Alma, Illinois, 5250, 52, 25, We see the palindrome there. And here are the 50s, just a couple of them. Alexander Delgado, Aptos, California with the 50, Baron of the Belmont from Belmont, North Carolina. He's the Baron of Belmont and the Catawba River Basin.

And finally, Michael Myers of Diamond Head, Missouri, wrapping up our value for value supporters for episode 1871. I would be amiss if I didn't thank. Once again, our executive. and associate executive producers. Our formula is this. We go out, we hit people in the mouth.

Water. Shut up. Shut up. That's right. No agenda donations.com. That is where... What happened to... Hmm.

Oh, goodness. Cover for me for a second. John. Somehow I missed the indie media. up, which is a real problem if I don't have the indie meetup. Cover for me. What do you mean you don't have the tape? Exactly.

I don't have the tape. Hold on. Hold on. Could you cover in a better way, perhaps? I mean... You don't like sound effects? Well, I mean, you could say something. Like, you know...

Oh, I could talk. I can read through the granola package. Oh, man. You are... Okay. Well, let me take a... How about covering with a clip? No.

we're already done. I'm good. No, that took no time. You're the worst. Thank you. Yeah, I try. Thank you everybody for supporting us, no agenda donations.com. That's where you go to send back the value that you receive from the show, and you can even set up a recurring donation if you feel so moved, any amount, any frequency. Noagenda donations.com. It's a real big lead-up to the entire birthday list, which consists of, of one birthday.

You heard him earlier. Sir Edward the Henpeck wishes his wife a very happy birthday. She celebrated on the 23rd. And today they celebrate their wedding anniversary and they never had a fight. Happy birthday from everybody here at the best podcast in the universe. It's your birthday, yeah. And here we go. By the control.

Turn and face the slaves. That changes. Don't want to be a douche. Our title change today is one. It is Sir Ben Sterling, who started out as a baron before this podcast. And yes, I should remind you to go listen to Just Two Good Old Boys, that podcast he does with Sir Gene. And today he ups his periods to the title of Viscount.

And we congratulate him with that and say thank you very much for your courage. Behold the purpose right from the stars in the morning. Limited titles. They're going fast, so get in while you can. The knighthood that comes accompanied or an instant night donation with a Red Knight Order of the Heart's pin. It's a very handsome pin, you'll like it. And it goes through Christian Sutton Jensen, Vincent James, Sir Jim, Sir Jay Bones,

and Enan Lopez. And we congratulate these brand new Red Knights, who now officially are part of the Order of the Hearts. Behold the purpose, right. We have two knights to bring into the round table today, so if you can grab your blade there and move it around the cable. Here you go. Oh, yeah, very well done.

Didn't even hear the mic bump at all. Christensen and Jim, step up on the podium here. Both of you become knights of the Noah Jenna roundtable is a very exclusive club, but $1,000 or more in aggregate gets you there. And I'm very proud to pronounce the Kate. The as Sir, yes, sir, of the you know where. And Sir, Jaybone. Both of you now become knights of the Noa Genet Roundtable.

You join the Knights and the Dames. And for you, we have hookers and blow, rent boys and chardonnay. We've got Harlitz and Haldol. We've got redheads and rise. Beer and blunts. Rubeness, Ruben and Rosea, Gases and Sakeh, Vak and Vanilla, Borghum, Sparck, and Cairns, Cairns, and Escort. Gingerail and gerbils, Presbyl and Pablam. And as always, at the table, we've got your mutton and your mead.

Both of you can go to. Noagena Rings.com. They are very handsome. and all you have to do is give us your ring size. It's a ring sizing guide on the website, and we will send it off to you as soon as possible. Give us an address, obviously. And congratulations.

Welcome to that exclusive club of the No Agenda Knights and Dames. No agenda meet up. Man, we had two meetups here in Tennessee. Sir Patrick Cobel and Pastor Jimmy and I had a little mini meetup at, at Arnold's, which is a very cool old-school barbecue in the middle of Nashville. Maybe the last time we'll ever eat there because the taxes are so high, they may have to close it down. But meetups take place all over the world, literally, and you can find a meetup near you by going to no agenda meetups.com. People, it's no cost.

You know, you just find a place. You all agree you're going to meet there. You hang out. You have a couple drinks. You talk about the world, talk about the show, talk about what's going on, hit people in the mouth. And sometimes you send us a meetup report. Here's the latest one, number 75,

from Leo Bravo, and this is the meetup in Los Angeles at Proudbird. Hey, everybody. It's Leo Bravo at meetup number 75 at the Proud Bird. I'm going to pass the phone around. My friends have things to say. Hey, John and Adam, Sir Leah Kim Fopop here, just here at the

Proud Bird, mourning the death of Spirit Airlines. Not really. Sir Robertson of two sticks, enjoying the plane spotting and the great company. Thank you. Leo Bravo. Hey, great meetup you guys got here. It's a proud bird. Just doing a little bit of plain spot and enjoying some company for some great folks.

Long live the Constitution. Hey, this is Eric. Just reminding you, trains are better than planes. Trains good. Plains bad. I'm interested in the story of the woman who is plunging into a searing manhole. I think that anything happens between two consenting adults should stay that way. It should not have made the news. Oh, man. Horrible.

This is Angie from the ranch over here at the proud bird hanging out with Leo Bravo. In the morning? In the morning! See, that's what I'm talking about. You're bringing your server. That makes the whole meetup report perfect. And I'm sure Dame Anette did the same at the indie meetup for May. Hello, this is Dame Maria.

And Sir Mark. We have a small meetup today, but it is amazing as always. Come on, come on. Next month. Ben, this is Emily, your shufflecrout spook. Insert something fun here. Bruskey here, just enjoying some beers. with the bald bros.

Serip of the maple here in Indianapolis, attending my monthly ambignator-sized regulation. My name is Tony. I'm from Louisville, Kentucky. I'm honestly too shy to be here and too gay. This is Katie from St. Joseph Public House and Brewery in Indianapolis, Indiana, serving up the No Agenda Group.

Live from Indianapolis, the home of the greatest spectacle and racing. Gentlemen, start your podcast. You notice how the servers over there at the brewhouse in Indianapolis, they really get into it. I think they have their own contests who can sound the coolest on the meetup report. Good job. I appreciate it.

As a meetup taking place today in New Jersey, Keyport, New Jersey, to be exact, the we drink and we know things is probably underway as we speak. The I Needed Drink Edition at 3BR Distillery. Also starting today in just a bit from now, the no ID pop-up, that'll be at the alibi room in Vancouver, British Columbia, in Candinavia. Memorial Day. That is tomorrow.

The Monday Madness in Squim, 33 Pacific at Barhop Brewing and Squim. If you want to know about Value for Value Book Publishing, go talk to Mimi. She will be there. I'm sure she'll be bringing some of her too many eggs.com books. And then coming up on the 30th, Anchorage, Alaska. We have Ukraine, excuse me, on the 6th of June, Bila, Tudor. Kiev Oblast, Boise, Idaho on the 13th, Franklin, Tennessee, and the 13th, Indianapolis, Indiana, again on June 14th, Charlotte, North Carolina on the 18th, June 26th, Rotterdam in the Netherlands, July 11th, Eagle, Idaho, and then we're into August, September, October. You can find all of these listed at no agenda meetups.com. Please consider going to one of these. You will not regret it. I've never heard anyone say, I want to meet up and it sucked. Even if there was one person, one other person there, people always seem to. enjoy it, enjoy it.

So go find one near you, no agenda meetups.com. If you feel moved to start one yourself, that's really easy. Just set it up, listen at noagentametups.com, and watch the fun happen. What could possibly go wrong?

It's always a party. Sometimes you want to go hang out with all the nights and day. You wouldn't be a game. Everybody feels the same. It's like a party. I feel really bad about it. this, but amidst the hard drive issues, I completely did not get my ISOs.

So you win. It's just a matter of choosing which one. Which one would you like me to play first? Well, I've gone with all celebrities this show. Oh, nice. So let's start with Arnold Schwarzenegger and Screw. Screw your other podcasts. This is the best.

That's a good one. I like that. Very good. And who was the other celebrity? The other one is Hillary Clinton. Wow. The No Agenda podcast is too delicious to believe, my friend. Wow. This is a, first of all, where'd you get these? I did them. You called up Arnold and you called up Hillary and record? Hey, Arnold, can you give me a quickie here? I honestly think Arnold is the better one. Screw your other podcasts. This is the best. That may ever be an evergreen. That is so good. Hey, everybody.

Right now it's time for John's tip of the day. Greenifies for you and me. Just the tip with JCD. And sometimes at all. Okay, since I'm a heart patient, I have to have no salt in my diet, basically for the next year or two. Oh, no.

That's horrible. Probably forever. Yeah. And so I've had to come up with, of seasoning food that, you know, and other people need to go in lower salt. They need to know these things. And so I found a couple of products, which I think are quite good at salt substitutes. This is a very good tip for people who can't.

Now, why can't you have salt? What is the reason? What does salt do to the heart? It changes your electrolytic balance. And how is that bad for your heart? It makes your heart go into your regular heartbeats. Oh, okay. That wouldn't be good.

No. No. So that's one of many things. It's also harder in the kidneys. It has all kinds of issues. Okay. Now, I had a goia, aizondo total or whatever, picked some time ago. But I'm going to bump that and go with Badia complete.

No added salt. This is the Badia seasoning from the Mexican food provider. it's a seasoning, by the biggest container of it you can find, usually in a Mexican store. And it, actually, Brennan has said that it saved my palate, is using this stuff on everything. It is a terrific all-purpose seasoning. What does it taste like? Well, if you smell it, you can smell all kinds of stuff in it. It's got garlic and onion.

It's got the basic things that it's also kosher for people who worry about that. Well, our Jew money, people will be happy. Yeah, it's kosher. And it's just a terrific garlicy, onion-y, cinnamon. It's got all kinds of stuff in it. It's just a, it's of all-purpose seasoning. You dump it on everything and use it generously. Have you considered MSG?

MSG is sodium. Oh, it is? Oh, that's right. Of course, it's multi-mout glominate. sodium glumana. Yeah. What is it again? What is MSG again?

Monosodium glutamate. That's what it is. Okay, give me the name of this product again, because I may have to try that. It sounds good. Oh, you'll love this stuff is BADIA, B-A-D-I-A. B-A-B-A-A-A-San-Compileta. And it just says complete seasoning.

and if you go to a Mexican Mercado or a Super Mercado, they will have the big giant containers of it. Ask for it by name at your local Mercado. Yeah, it's great. I might try that. It sounds good. Hey, this is just one of the many tips of the day. You can find it.

Noagendafund.com tips of the day. com. Great advice for you and me. Just the tip with JCD. And sometimes Adam. Created by Dana Burnetti. Well, there we go. Perfect timing because I need to get my fancy suit on for the big K-Love Awards tonight at the Grand Ole Opera.

You're going to be presenting? You know, they have podcast awards, and they've never asked me, never even considered to have me present. And this is my third year. I've been there. So, no, I will not be. We'll just be in the audience. You just be a schmuck in the audience? Well, I'm with the most...

Do you get a go bag? There's no... There's no swag bag, any of that. No. What? No. No, but we will worship God. This is the good news.

Lots of Jesus. What? Cheap. Okay. I think it airs on, I don't know what it airs on TBN next week or something. So I could actually tell you the winners on Thursday, but I might not. Ooh, and then we can bet on them in the betting market. Kelchie app.

End of show mix is coming up by Molly Berry, just, just, just, Baker and MVP is back. So enjoy that. And coming up next on the No Agenda Stream, if you're still listening through your modern podcast app, mutton meat and music, Oisteen Berger, will bring you, will spin the tunes for you.

They're all value for value as well. Coming to you from the live music capital of the world, Nashville, Tennessee, in the morning, everybody. I'm Adam Curry. And from the Refinery Road, northern San Francisco Bay. I'm John C. DeVorak. Remember us at Noagentadentadonatonations.com.

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