No Agenda - 1902 "The MTV Chronicles

Episode Date: September 10, 2026

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Adam Curry. It's Thursday, September 10th, 2026. This is your award-winning Gibbon Nation Media Assassination, Episode 1902. This is No Agenda. I am traveling back from Rotterdam, the Netherlands, to Austin and then back to the Hill Country. So today, for episode 1902, a special Best of No Agenda. These are the MTV Chronicles. Enjoy!

Anyway, so I do have one print story if you're interested. I figured we'd share one with the no agenda audience. One. And this relates to, I think it was 90, 1991, and I was in Minneapolis. And I sent you the link for this earlier, John. I was probably one of the, I only done three commercials for real products back in the heyday when I was Mr. MTV guy. And one of them was for Sam Goody Musicland,

which, you know, no longer exists. It doesn't exist anymore. It's gone, right? I'm pretty sure it's gone. Yeah. And the biggest store is at Mall of America, which of course is in Minneapolis. Oh, I didn't know.

That was not the biggest stores in Manhattan. At the time, and that's, you know, that's where it was going to be done. The store was huge. And so put together, kind of like a spinal tap where I'm pretending to be on a tour or some fantastic tour and then you know how all these commercials

they always have to have a like a slide so you can put the current offers on it and so with almost like a completely different voice in the commercial you hear like like the bangles millie vanilla

yeah like all these great people I'm on tour but it's really it's the Sam Goody Musicland tour and you know I'm going around running around backstage and kind of like spinal tab, this is the best concert I've ever been on. And then I go to the stage, open the doors,

and then, of course, I open into the store. And that's the stage or something. It's in the show notes, and it's one of the lamest things you've ever seen. It fits perfectly. It paid. Not very much. But it was, I think it was maybe,

it was a buyout, maybe $5,000, maybe. It was, you know, not a good deal, but back in the day, anyway. So I was there for three or four days. And the second night, it's a quarter of midnight. I'm in the hotel. And, you know, it was a professional shoe. We had, you know, everything was really well done, a nice hotel room.

And the phone rings at 1145. We pick it up. So, yeah, hello. Is this Adam Curry? Yeah. Prince wants to know if you want to come to a party is at his house tonight. And I say, let me think about it. Yeah.

And he's good because the car is downstairs waiting for you when you. you are. I'm like, this is classy. And this, you know, this is, uh, the 91. What was I? I was in the late 20s and so, holy shit. Sure enough, there's a car, you know, black town car downstairs and, uh, you guys, just no word spoken, just get in, takes me off. And then, you know, we go towards what you, people have now seen on the news on that, along the highway, there's Paisley Park. And it's all lit up in purple and it's, uh, you know, drive up to the gate. The gate

opens and, uh, go in and there's metal detectors, which, in, 91 metal detectors at the airport was, you know, kind of like throw your keys down, you know, your shoes would never go off or anything like that. So it wasn't all that, you know, like, but it was odd. You never saw metal detectors anywhere else except at the airport back in those days. So go into this completely white room. Everything's white. And it's the lighting's a bit dim, but it's just all you see is white. There's no real color.

It's a, you know, it's a rectangle. angle. So on one side, like the short side of the room, there's a DJ standing kind of on built-up ironworks, like scaffolding. And he's playing some Prince tracks I've never heard in my life before. Along the long side of the room, there's a buffet from end to end, and it's nothing but fresh fruit and juices. There's no alcohol, no alcohol, no anything else, all just fresh, ice sculptures, dripping stuff. And wall-to-wall beautiful people, maybe 70 or 80 people. And I like, ah, this is what heaven's like, obviously. Beautiful people, healthy food.

And it's in Minnesota. Who knew? And I saw that there was one or two of the extras from the commercial. Of course, we're all beautiful from the commercial shoot. We're there. Like, hey, how are you guys doing? Yeah, yeah. So was hanging out.

And Prince was standing over next to the DJ kind of hanging out just off to the side by himself. And said, I'm going to go over and thank him for the party. And they went, no, no, no, no, no. you can't do that. You can't do this. What are you talking about? No, I don't know. It's, you're too tall and you're too white. I'm like, are you kidding me? This was really the perception. Oh, you really shouldn't go talk to him at all. I was like, fuck that. I go over. And I say, hey, I'm Adam. Thanks for inviting me. It's very cool. He says, hey, yeah, good you came. And I love the thing you did on Halloween with your daughter.

That was fantastic. I really loved how you scared her, but she was kind of having fun. He had seen everything. And, uh, and, uh, uh, uh, I'm, uh, uh, uh, uh, I'm, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, I. observation, he was not, he didn't come across as timid or shy. He sure he was wearing boots, but he also didn't come across as like some miniature man. Just seemed pretty, pretty normal. Yeah, and then I really didn't have much left to say. I was like, hey, man, well, all right, well, thanks. Yeah, enjoy.

That was it. And then maybe an hour or so later, you know, 2 a.m., the party's over, which we, which is signified by Prince's guys coming through the, this room, saying nothing, just kind of, walking slowly amongst everybody flashing their flashlights on the ground. And that was the signal to leave. And everyone just kind of flows out. And the car was still there waiting for me, took me back. So that was his little private concert hall he had in there?

Yeah. Yeah. How big was it? It was really high. So it would be like the size of an aircraft hangar for, but not, you know, for more like a golf stream, not for a, not for a seven series anything. but really high. So about that size and the same type of...

Compared to a high school gym. Three quarters of that size. About a high school gym? Yeah. So it was a medium-sized little hall. That's cool. Yeah, it wasn't any huge one by any means. Yeah.

And there was this other time that I stayed at Dan Hart. Remember Dan Hartman? Do you remember him? No. He had relight my fire. I can dream about you. you don't remember? No.

Oh, how about Edgar Winter? Free Ride. Do you remember that? Oh, yeah. So he played Dave. He used to play in the city a lot. And Dan played bass for them. So I was staying at his house one time in Connecticut.

A friend of mine was recording at his studio at home, which back in, you know, like the early 90s was you had an SSL studio at your house. That was crazy. And, but he had bought this with the studio from someone else. What's SSL means? Oh, Solid state logic. were the big, you know, the 24, 48-track mixers before we got into real full digital, but these were solid state.

And that was a big deal back in the day. And he said, you know, I bought this place. And above the studio in the attic, I found all these boxes. And somehow these are all masters, Prince masters of him in the studio, but, you know, not mixed. It was just the 24-track tapes. It was on. He said, I put it on.

He listened to it was unbelievable. You hear Prince, you know, setting his own mic, setting his own levels. if it was mind-boggling how good and shit you never heard before or have ever heard again, I guess. Who knows what I'll come down now. Did you ever fly Concord? No, I missed that. I flew that four times. Did you poop on it?

Hell yeah. Four times? Why would be the point? Let me tell you, though, it was not a luxurious poop. The Concord was very uncomfortable. It's like a little tube. I could barely stand up in the entire plane and the seats are very, narrow and they, although the leg room is nice, and there's no movie, or there was no movie,

because there was enough time to start the movie. So basically you just sat there getting warm because at a certain point about two hours into it, the fuel is depleted and the fuel was actually used, sort of talking the past tense, to cool the aircraft down, which extends in flight, it actually grows. And to top it off, I had a drunk Liza Minnelli behind me chattering the whole way. It was annoying. Life's tough. At least I didn't pay for it.

Do you know who was a huge collector of Texas art, in particular, Alamo-related art? No? Phil Collins. Wow, that's odd. Yeah, and he has a, his whole collection. Su-Soo Studio guy, yeah, yeah. Or one more, well, the Genesis guy. Yeah, Phil.

Phil, Phil Collins, we all know, Phil. Phil. Phil hates me. He hates you. Yeah. There was a period in the 80s where we would always be bumping into each other. have to interview him if it wasn't, you know, at some, at Wembley Stadium for some kind of, you know, one of those benefit shows.

He would be in my studio. And then a certain point he'd just say, oh, Curry, too tall, too much hair, I hate you. And he would walk away. Yeah. It was loving. It was loving. I think it was love, a form of love. Yeah.

It was in the air tonight. It's my favorite Ozzy Osbourne story. And I don't remember if it was he that told the story or if it was one of the, crew guys. But he had a, in one of his concerts, he decided to have a catapult kind of behind. Yeah.

A catapult kind of behind the band. And it was held down by these, I guess, rubber bands. Pull downs. And it's going to be a, I guess a rubber band is going to pull the thing for it. And the,

and the catapult. had a pocket that was filled with chicken guts. And the idea was that they were going to release at some point in the song, they were going to release, they're going to cut it loose, and the catapole is going to fly forward and throw chicken guts all over the audience. Nice. But what happened was Ozzy ended up, they had a guitar solo or something that ran on way too long,

and the rubber bands got kind of stretched and, loose, they didn't have enough umph to make the thing fly. So according to the story, the catapult flies up and kind of just drops all the chicken guts on Ozzy. That's a good one. It seems like a believable story. Maybe I should, I've told it before. Maybe I should tell my Ozzy stories since people are always complaining.

I don't talk about my old MTV stories. Nobody's complaining. No, I got an email the other day saying, hey, you need to talk more about you. You know, your story is the only thing we listed, a show waiting for some stories from you. Tina's great. Hey, Adam, tell the Prince story. Yeah, yeah, yeah, tell the Madonna story. Yeah, yeah, yeah, tell the Aussie story.

So I'll tell the Aussie story. People have heard it, but I'll tell it again. Moscow Music Peace Festival, you know, the big CIA up. We all went to Moscow and to get the kids to love the scorpions. Just before the wall came down, I'll just cut straight. to the chase because I didn't know that at the time, but it makes a lot of sense now. So we leave from Newark Airport and it's a, it's a crappy, I think it was a stretch 727. Do you remember those?

Was it 727 or 737 the stretch? No, no. It was just 27. 727 stretch, which looks like I think it's snapping half at any moment. They were funny looking. Yeah. And so that's what they chartered. Doc McGee.

Oh yeah, I should mention the whole reason for the concert is because, Doc McGee, who managed Bon Jovi and Motley crew at the time, his Learjet had gotten busted in Florida bringing like some unbelievable amount of marijuana into the country. And so they got to him and they said, hey, instead of what's that in your mouth on this picture, they said, look, why don't you organize a concert for us in Moscow and bring all your bands over there? And then we'll sigh up the children. By the way, the kids in Moscow, this is 88, I think, 88, 89. had no idea who Bon Jovi or Motley crew were.

They had no idea who Skid Row was. They didn't care. You know who they knew? Ozzy. They knew Ozzy Osbourne. And they had all these bootleg cassettes that came in from Pakistan. And they knew Ozzy. So we're on the plane.

It's a crappy plane. No one's in first class. So everyone's annoyed. And everyone's on edge. And, you know, of course, this was supposed to be a. Hold on. The part of the story that I didn't know before, I don't think you told that part before, would this stemmed from a, from the guy, a guy getting busted and the CIA coming along because

they wanted to do this, this, they needed to do something in Moscow and they needed a front. Yeah. No, well, the whole thing. It makes sense to me. It's a great idea. The whole thing was, was to get the, remember, the scorpions were there. The scorpions were a German band and they had the wind of change, which is the only hit they ever had. that they didn't write themselves, coincidence.

And, you know, that was the wind of changes. And that was the big anthem when the wall came down, not, you know, not but a year, year and a half later. So I'm, there's all kinds of theories about it. There's an op involved. There's a definite op involved. But I'm the only person from MTV who goes along. I'm like, this is dynamite.

So. How come you were the only one? Because of that. Wouldn't anybody, wouldn't somebody else want to go? I think they only offered it to one person. And I did headbanger's ball, so I was appropriate. You know, I was the guy. And I had the hair and everything.

And, you know, I don't know. I'm happy that they told me to go. I'm sure the, I'm sure, you know what? I'm sure that downtown Julie Brown was not having it. She's like, no, I'm not going to go to Moscow, to Russia. Of course, this was, you know, still iron curtain stuff. So anyway, we're on the plane. And this whole concert, this whole affair is billed as a anti-drugs, anti-alcohol concert.

That was the front. Like, we're doing this because we're going to show we can have good, clean fun to the Russian kids. Cute, yeah. And we're on the plane. Everybody's hammered. They're drunk as skunks, all of them. And Ozzy was there, Gieser Butler was there, Tommy O. I mean, there was a lot of Black Sabbath was there.

Whatever was still alive or barely alive. And Sharon, who at the time, this is way before the Osborne's reality show, this is way before Ozzympic, and Sharon was a big roly-poly British housewife. Now, she was tipping the scales. And she's like, oh, Ozzie, Ozzie, Ozzie. Very timid, didn't have the big mouth. she has now. And so at a certain point,

Ozzy gets up, and he has to go with the bathroom. He's like, and so there's a lavatory. You got his voice down. There's a laboratory mid-section of the plane, and it's occupied, because we're kind of in the second,

the back half of the plane. And so Ozzy's standing there, and she's like, oh, Ozzie, just my, Sharon. And what does Ozzy do? He pees his pants right there in the aisle. Probably the saddest thing

I've ever seen in rock and roll ever. That is pretty pathetic. And that's my Ozzy story. That's an uplifting. Well, this does give us a unique opportunity since we have more than one.

Ladies and gentlemen, the No Agenda in Memorium segment. I went back to the VHS archives. Because in show business, you get to say, yeah, I worked with him. Don't you have that? Oh, yeah, no, I work with him. Great guy.

Big fan of his work. Big fan. Big fan of his work. Yeah. So, we first, I have two clips. We go back to 1988 to the plane ride to Moscow, known as the Magic Box. known as the Magic Bus or the Get Doc McGee out of jail free trip. Here's Adam interviewing Ozzy.

Headbangers ball continues from the Magic Bus on our way to the Soviet Union and no strangers to the ball, of course, Ozzy and Zach. Guys, good to have you aboard. Well, are we aboard? It's like a flying madhouse. Are we actually flying? Is the question I haven't checked recently. I don't know what the pilot's doing there, but it's flying on autopis.

I hope it's an automatic pilot. It's out of humans. I thought you were flying it. Oh, I think I was at one point. So you just finished up the complete world tour? Yeah, I just did 13 months. We're doing these two shows in Moscow, and then we're up for about a month or so. I'm going to start writing and recording you know how.

I understand Pete Town is in one of the backclothes, in a soundproof booth. Ozzie, we're going to take a look at breaking all the rules. Anything you want to say about the video? Oh, it was a lot of fun making it. Yes, yes. In-depth questions during this. interview. Ozzy, was it fun making the video, Ozzy? I had every single rock radio station in America call me yesterday.

Hey, man, hey, you work with Ozzy, right? What was he really like? Oh, man, we had such good times together. But then, then, oh no, we have Hulk Hogan. 71 is definitely too early. And I was able to retrieve from 1993 the infamous rocket car of death during Circus of the Stars as Hulk Hogan and Adam Curry worked together and loved each other's work. Big fans.

Big fans. Hi, I'm Hulk Hogan here at Universal Studios, Florida, where Adam Curry thought he was taking a break from music videos. However, we're putting him right back into MTV and that stands for Mucho Terrifying Vehicle. He'll take the ride of his life in a

600-pound rocket car. Traveling at roller coaster speed, he'll catapulted into space, dropping 50 feet on his way to a fiery, frightening crash landing. Are you ready, rocket man? Terrifying. Okay, everybody, let's begin to cat a cow down. That's all you do in slow motion, dude. Yeah, let's take a look at it, Gray.

Oh, what a ride that was. That fire was so hot. Oh, that's why I got the headache from. Who! Man. MTV's macho, terrific. Wonderful Adam Curry. Right after these messages.

You got to see. Roller coaster speeds? Yeah. Well, yeah. It was roller coaster speed. Roller coaster is average about 45 miles an hour. It's very terrifying, John. In my rocket car of death.

You should post that video. It's on YouTube. Oh. It's on the YouTubes. Yeah. Ninety-93 Circus of the Stars with my co-host, Deirdre Hall. Boy, I've come a long way. Yeah, have you kept in touch?

Have I kept in touch? At least Hulk Hogan will go to heaven. We know that. That's a good time. I've been to Moscow's airport. So Moscow, you go into this airport, which was, I think, new at the time. And the place is dark. I mean, literally dark.

And there's gypsy kids running around all over the place, pickpocketing people in the terminal. What year was this, John? What year were you there? About one year before the fall of communism, which was something. Oh, me too, like 88, 89? Yeah, something like that. Yeah, that's when I was there.

Oh, interesting. Yeah, well, I wouldn't have been able to see it because it's so dark in the airport in the terminal. But anyway. I'll be wearing the red rose. There was, the funny scenes, besides the kids running around, there was also one, in the entire airport, there was one automatic door that opened and closed to let people in and out. And it was surrounded by kids who kept jumping up and down on the thing to open and close the door. Yeah, exactly.

So you could. Go ahead. Go ahead. Well, you're right. It wasn't like an Argus-based or like electronic eye. It was a mat. It was a mat. Pressure, pressure mat.

Pressure mat. Pressure mat that would open it up. Right. So these kids are jumping. So you can't get out that door. And meanwhile, I talked to somebody about this, why the place was so dark, by the way, and some guy told me that, well, the deal is that it was designed by a German company, and they specked out all these lights.

There's all these little bulbs that were inset and kind of cans. The whole ceiling was covered with them. But there was no light coming out of him. He said the Germans specced this thing out to a certain wattage bulb, not to a certain lumen. And when they use Russian bulbs, they got about half the lumens out of them, so the place was pitch black. I was there with the Moscow Music Peace Festival. Do you remember that?

No. No, that was... Do you want to get this story? Are you interested? Yeah, yeah, no, sure. Okay, so Doc McGee, I don't know if that name means anything to you. He was... Yeah, it rings the bill.

Yeah, very famous manager of bands. And in the 80s, he was the manager of Bon Jovi, Motley, Crew. Well, those are the two big ones. and he had been caught I don't know if he was I think either he had rented the Learjet or was registered to his name there was a Learjet that landed in Miami with like 5,000 kilos of Coke

and so we got busted for it and the judge gave him kind of a get out of jail free card and he had to do some great community service so the idea was he would do an anti-drug anti-alcohol concert in Russia and of course this went up to some pretty high levels because this was a political thing as well So he's clearly well connected in all the right places.

So off we went, and this I think it was 88, in a rented DC8, some crappy plain. So Bon Jovi, Motley crew, Ozzy Osbourne, but with the other Black Sabbath guys, Gieser Butler, and it was a Tommy Iommi. and oh man it was Skid Row we stopped in Germany picked up the scorpions and then we landed in Moscow and it was for this huge concert

that would be held in Lenin Stadium so they we were in the hotel right near Red Square where they actually turned on the hot water in that part of the city as a gesture to their guests and I could probably fill up

three no agendas worth of stories about that trip there, but I'll just give you one that was pretty cool. Of course, this was the... I'll give you two stories. This was the anti-drug, anti-alcohol concert. So on the plane, on the way over, and this is when Sharon Osborne

was still just a little rotund, kind of pale, no personality having English girl who was managing Ozzy Osbourne. So she was on board, and Ozzie was completely, I mean completely plastered. Everyone was plastered, but Ozzy was

really, really out of it. And he's standing near the laboratory because we were all kind of sitting together. And he's like, Sharon, Sharon, I'll go. Someone in the loo. Sharon, because someone was occupied. And Sharon's like, oh, Ozzy, just wait. So he wets himself right there, right in the aisle.

You know, just like a second grader, a huge wet spot in his pants, which really kind of set. the tone for the rest of the entire trip. Who would pick that guy to go on an anti-alcohol tour? That's my point. Oh, like

the Motley crew guys were cool. Or Skid Row, come on. Or any of them. Exactly. They're there of like four nights or five nights. So on the second night, which of course consisted of lots of vodka and just brazen drunkenness. It was crazy. The Moscow chapter of the Hell's Angels

showed up in front of our hotel. Didn't know they had one. And remember, this was still before the wall came down. And they were on Java motorcycles. You know, these Yugoslavian built bikes. And they were out of their mind, John. They were like popping wheelies, flipping off the back. It was just, it was

like being in a fucking movie. And I'll just never forget. It's like you have this idea of what a communist state, particularly what, you know, Moscow would be like and you're there. And it's just, there was no control. It was mayhem. I looked at their technology. The technology was like old gray Volkswagen buses with curtains.

You know, this was supposed to be the highly technical KGB that could, you know, eavesdrop on everything and had superiority over the world. No way. Well, I'm reminded of, you know, Ronald Reagan when he became president, he was shaking his fist at Russia and he called him the evil empire. And he went on and on and on. He did this for like a while. Mr. Garbachev, bring that wall down. But then he went to Russia. and he never

He went to Russia And it was almost like he went to Russia And had an epiphany And he never ever again said anything About the Right Because he saw it Because it's not there, right?

Yeah, he saw it was a big bunch of bull I mean I noticed it But I was staying in the mirror hotel And which is across from that Russian That white building that got You know, shell And got some nice photos And

And they had mics in the room that were obviously, because the mirror used to be, I guess it was the diplomats hotel for a number of years, and then it became a public hotel. Were they like big Sennheisers instead of micro stuff? It was like... No, they had, they were. They were big clunky mics, but they had been painted over so many times because the room kept getting repainted, and they were all just a gob of paint.

What's that bump there? It's a big bump about gab of paint. And in every floor there was a woman. that was the floor woman that you had to check in with. They never really did any security. But you were told before you went, if you did your due diligence, you had to give them gifts constantly.

Oh, yes, the floor lady, if you wanted toilet paper or if you wanted to make a phone call. Yeah, and so you had to drop off toys. Apparently at the time, the most valuable thing you could give people besides cigarettes were like, I was told this, and they got to kick out of it.

because most of them had kids and these little tonka toys or these little mini things, those little hot wheels, those little things. Those were like gold in Russia at the time. And so you'd gift them with... Did you go to the hooker boat? Did you see that when you were there? Well, when I was in Russia, Soviet Union, before the wall came down, they told me, whatever you do, don't insult the Kremlin.

So Sebastian Baca and I, Sebastian of Skid Row, we went and we were drinking vodka on Red Square, at 3 a.m. and we were trading t-shirts for some of those cool Russian furry hats. We didn't get arrested. We were there with Ozzy. But you could have been. Several episodes ago, you guys played a clip of Gene Simmons from Kiss, and Adam said he had a Gene Simmons story, but never spilled the beans. Oh. Do you think we'll get more donations if I tell my Gene Simmons story?

Well, I don't know. Is it a good story? It's kind of okay. Well, tell it. So Gene Simmons at MTV, you know, in the MTV days when I was there, he was managing bands. And, you know, is notorious at MTV, and I've said this many times, is the, you know, your video didn't really get played like because it was good. It was a deal. You know, if we wanted Michael Jackson on the video music awards, then, you know, whatever Sony pushed on us, we'd play that in the so-called buzz bin, which is supposed to be this hip little thing, which, of course, only played at 2 a.m. So Gene Simmons being the

You know kind of the brash guy that he is He could not get one of his bands played So he burst into the music and I used to be at the music meetings Until I found out that it was a total scam He burst in with knee pads on jumps up on the table and says who do I have to blow to get my video on this network And so who did he blow I was smiling all the way back to the studio I so believe this I so so so believe this you know that this happened to me once?

What? Did I tell you the story? Would this happen to me? This exact same thing. My own Watergate. Should I tell you the story? Yeah. So I just started at the television.

I was 19. I was on television in Holland. And I was like super, super. It was only two stations. So it was like, you know, everyone knew me. And I went to go interview the Rolling Stones. So we're talking, when was I 19, John? This is 1983, I think, 84.

I don't know. So I go to interview the Rolling Stones in London. And we're in London. It's like, one of these shoots where, you know, they're all like rolling around. and it's hard to get them into the room and everyone's away. And we're talking tape, right? We're talking analog. We're talking clapboards.

You know, this is way back in the day. Please, you know, forget the year in 2012. So finally, you know, the guy stumbled in. It was Keith and Woody. They fall into the room. Like, oh, hold on a second. They go into the bathroom.

They're snorting coke off his bowie knife. You know, like, ah, so they finally sit down. You know, we do the interview. It was great because they were completely hammered. And then my producer says, oh, man, you know, let's take a picture. because we can get this on the front page of the newspaper that you did an interview with him, great promotion for the show.

And no one had a camera. Can you imagine? This is 1984. No one had brought a camera, but I had a new, one of these newfangled Kodak disc cameras in my briefcase. Remember those? The Kodad disc?

Yep, they had a disc. Right. So I say, oh, I've got the Kodak disc, which, by the way, crappy photos. They took really crap photos. Yeah, they were a little bitty negatives or dinky. Yeah, like a viewmaster in a... Yeah, exactly. So they take a picture and we go back and we're, and so we have a service.

And the service is the Dutch Broadcasting Corporation where they would actually take, it's called the Press Bureau. You would give them your film and they would have it developed and then they'd send it out to the newspapers, etc. So I gave the disc to my producer. And at the time I was dating one of the, well she would just I'm already seeing where this is headed

she had just started to she was an announcer on television they had these announcers in between the press it's very much like the BBC does with voice in Holland they would have an announcer and she would sit there and say oh coming up next we have this show and this show after that and then

she would go away and then she'd come in like kind of a disjockey of television shows and really pretty girl Carlintenza everyone in Holland knows her and then I was saying like Oh, crap, man. I took pictures of her with the disc camera, and they're not, they're like not flattering. They're naked pictures.

And so we broke into the press bureau that night to retrieve the disc and then have it developed somewhere else where we could actually, you know, get rid of the prince. The evidence. The evidence. And it was, and I still have these pictures, which is the best part. I've carried them with me through two marriages. What? What a perfect.

What a pervert. But these things do happen. And I totally believe that. How can we find out more about Nixon? This is great. Well, I don't know. I think all the guys involved with that, actually, any one of the burglars,

I don't know, how many of the burglars would have been privy to the real target? I think probably that creepy guy that was always claiming to be, there's all kinds of super spy that used to light his hand on. fire kind of, what is his name? G. Gordon Liddy would know. But then you can't trust what he says. No. I don't know.

I don't think it's verifiable. I love it, though. You're going to tell us the Madonna story. Oh, the Madonna story. Geez, I'm glad you reminded me. Yeah, well, you were wandering off. Like you were trying to avoid it. Anyway, go on.

It's not, now it's not all that big a deal. So the way it works is you sit down in the press office, in their little cubby corner couch so they can all listen in on the speakerphone make sure you're not saying something horrible and uh said oh you know the new vj it's great you know so so this was not a live in in studio interview this was with the well no tv guide with the phone tv guides a magazine so it was yeah they were interviewing me about being the new vj on the scene oh okay all right go on and uh so you know you've been doing this for because i've been working in holland and i met lots of celebretties and uh so what did you think of madonna said

Nah, she's not really that nice. Well, hold on a second. Why would they ask that question out of the blue? Because MTV, no, it wasn't out of the blue. It's like, okay, you've been working in television, you've been working in music television, you've been working on music television, you've met lots of people, you've done lots of interviews. So what are you thinking of Madonna? Yeah, so she's not that nice.

I thought they were going to shit a brick. And they, like, hit the mute button. You can't say that. If you say that, she wanted to perform on the video music awards. Oh You know those deals Those deals they would do Yeah

Yeah you were just You were You were being too honest Yeah exactly You don't want honesty No no That was You weren't hired to be honest

It's not your job Wrong thing Wrong thinking You're hired to be a talking head And I smile a lot That's exactly Shut up And smile a lot

Boy Exactly It's exactly what it was And they hated me. They never got press for me again after that. I was not to be trusted with press. Well, it was a screw-up. No, it was honest.

Yeah. It was such a double standard. I don't want to get into it. And those are the same people, probably with the same mentality that are writing those notes and face bag. Certainly. Fitching about one thing or another. Because they can be honest there. Yeah.

So they're expressing themselves. Yes. It's a private face bag group. So yeah, I guess they can be honest there. Yeah. Well, then now you know what's going on in the background of all media. Yeah. So actually, so there's one woman in particular,

and I'm moving on back to the education stuff, if you're okay with that. Yeah. I just wanted to hear the story. Did I ever tell you the story when I flew to L.A. with Sean Penn? No. So... We're open for anecdotes on this show.

Yes. This is back in the MTV days, probably 88, 89. And there was a fabulous, fabulous flight between New York and Los Angeles and Los Angeles and New York. That's all it did twice a day called MGM Grand Air. Oh, yes. That was an interesting plane. And MGM Grand Air was a 27 or a 737? I want to say 27.

No, no. It was a longer plane. It was either a 27. It was 27. And you could only, I think it was like 50 passengers. Of course, MTV, you know, paid for this. they needed to get me out there. It wasn't that much more expensive than a regular ticket, actually. And so it had a bar. It was all captain's chairs. And then state rooms. They're like

four or five state rooms where you could sit three people on each side. A table could come up so you could eat. The doors could close. Now, I'd been in those ones before. Like a train. Like a train. I'd been in those ones before by myself. And it was fantastic. I had this, you know, because you can move the two benches together. You'd have a huge double bed. It was great. But this one time, I'm in there with Sean Penn. in the state room with his brother, the one who died, and it's Sean Penn's mom. And it was weird.

You know, first of all, his brother, what's his brother's name? I don't remember. He was drinking beer out of the can, taking his shirt off in the plane. Just, just bare chested there. The mom was just very quiet. And it was really odd. I'm like, hey, how you doing? Hey, you're that guy from VH1.

aren't you? I'm like, oh, Jesus. VH1. It must have been the great insult of your life. Yeah. So I said, yeah, that's me. Hey, what was it like being married to Madonna? If you don't mind me asking. And he said, hell hath no fury. And then we pretty much just looked at each other for the rest of the flight.

Very, very bizarre. So you never got into a conversation with him. No, this is sad because I knew him. I sat down with him for an hour for a live radio interview, and he was a very interesting guy. Legendary producer Quincy Jones, a giant in the entertainment industry, has died. He leaves behind a legacy highlighted by work with some of the biggest stars in American history. Jones was born and raised on the south side of Chicago, and he ascended to become one of the first black executives to succeed in show business. He arranged jazz records for the likes of Frank Sinatra and produced, of course, the hit Michael Jackson albums off the wall,

thriller and bad. He also discovered Will Smith while producing the Fresh Prince of Bel Air. He won 28 Grammys, an Emmy and an Honorary Academy Award. I feel like the most blessed person on the planet to have come along the path that I came in musically

from 13 years old, you know, starting with Ray Charles at 14. He was 16 and going to talk Terry and Bacey and Winnie Carter. Everybody, from Billy Holiday, Louis Armstrong. song all the way to 50 cents.

Wow. Wow. Wincy Jones died last night at home in Bel Air, surrounded by family. He was 91 years old. I always thought Thriller was one of the greatest produced albums in the history of music. It's fantastic. But he produced Lena Horn. I mean, he's old.

He orchestrated it. I mean, but still, just the body of work, he orchestrated. Yeah, he was talented for Sinatra. Yeah, so I had a live interview with him in the early 90s on Hitline, Hitline, USA, coast to coast. And I was like, you have a copy of it? I wish I had a copy of it. Oh, you didn't keep it? And the producer, Dana Miller, he died years ago.

Yeah, they're dropping dead. If anyone knows. And he was the executive producer. his name was Dean, I forget his last name, he went to jail for some real estate scam, some real estate fraud. So I have a feeling that endless summer entertainment archives no longer exist. But I do remember this interview was said...

Somebody has it in their basement. I hope so. It was set up in a studio, like a recording studio, and it was dimly lit. There was a table in the middle, two chairs, two mics. and I'm there. I'm like, Quincy Jones. Like, what I'm going to ask this guy?

This is quite the talent. He comes in with a bottle of Latour and he slaps it down and says, let's have a great hour. And we drink the bottle of Latured. Oh, I don't remember. But Quincy was a real one. So when I was at MTV and we would,

none of this was, rarely was anything live, we would tape. segments. And on Thursday, we would tape for the weekend. That would be called a 48. So we tape our segments, which is essentially the lead-ins, the intros, and the outroes of the videos without the videos. And that would be put together later by the tape jockeys up in Long Island. They'd literally start a eumatic with my segment and then start the second eumatic with the video. And this was the, we had made a deal. This is how it went, made a deal. We would give Michael Jackson the planet. We would receive the planetary premiere of, I can't remember which.

video it was. And this became competitive because we had not purchased BET at the time and BET you know, they would they would, you know, whoever could dedicate more airtime. You know, it's a commercial deal.

Commercial deals. And then we threw in like a video, music award appearance, all this stuff. And so it was Michael Jackson weekend for the planetary premiere of whatever video. And, you know, so you work a full day from nine in the morning until, you know, five at night.

And you're doing second. segments throughout the days, a lot of coordination, there's changes. I mean, yeah, my life was really hard being a VJ. But it was, you know, actual work. And then Friday, we would typically only do a 24, which would be for Monday's air. And Thursday evening, we all got a call, oh, my God, you have to come back early. We've got to do three days worth of programming on Friday. So not just the 48.

we've got to do the Monday as well. We've got to redo the whole weekend. Because contractually, we had promised every single time we said Michael Jackson to follow it by the King of Pop. And of course, that had not made it down to the studio. So we had to go back and re-tape every single segment saying, and now it's time for the planetary premiere of Michael Jackson,

the King of Pop, with his new video. And that's how it works. That's how he completely controlled. The king of Paul. The king of pop. That's cute. So let's just get this out of the way. What was with the hair that you had there?

Did you, where did that idea come from? My ex-wife. It was, oh, okay. And it made me famous. It was a total, yeah, the hair. You see, because. You had the hair, luckily you had the kind of hair that could do with that hair. Well, when you have enough Aquanette, which is what we had in the day, you could probably,

And anybody could make that hair. I just have to grow it long enough, blow dry it and tease it. Did you go into makeup every day in the morning? My ex-wife would do that every single morning before I left the house. She would do my hair. I was incapable of doing my hair myself, which made me a slave to her and to the hair. I'm not kidding. I was afraid to go anywhere without her because I couldn't do my hair.

This is no joke, by the way. that's funny that's sad is what it is it's sad but however if what's distinctive according to the Merv Griffin

theory of celebretties people with big heads are successful on television and he would know look at the people he's hired

and look at people who are successful on television if they got a big head and that usually goes with a small body then you are going to be successful

L Sharpton there you go It's like a head on a dwarf. Well, I will retell my story of Michael Jackson when I was going to award him with the Video Vanguard of the Decade Award, which forever was to be now named the Michael Jackson Video Vanguard Award. And we were starting the ceremony there in his studio in Los Angeles, And all of a sudden he stopped. He had his guy come over, a little whisper in his ear.

Guy came back with a crate. And he had to, so he was standing on the crate. An apple, an apple crate. Yeah. All the big, the full one? Yeah. Well, he put it on his side, though. So it was probably about three-quarter apple crate.

Huh. And Michael Jackson is not really. By the way, that's what you're supposed to do. When people out there, when you're watching TV and you got some midget, standing next to some guy was tall. It's because they're not doing their job. You're supposed to put the midget on a crate, on an apple crate, or whatever they call it.

And they're usually painted black so you can't see them. And you can have a half a one, a quarter one, and a full one. And if you get up, I think they're four inches. It raises you four inches. Yeah, that was about it. Michael Jackson, not a short guy. If you Google Adam Curry, Michael Jackson, you can see the picture. it's on the interwebs.

And you'll see that he's standing next to me. He's almost as tall as I am. And there's a Christmas tree growing out of the back of my head. It's one of those great MTV shots. It's been fantastic. Except for Tina Turner dying. Yeah. She was sick for a long time.

But that really... I had good times. She seemed to be pretty spry in her 80s. Well, she had a serious illness. She had all kinds of problems. But, man, she... That was a nice lady. I had a lot of fun times with her.

Yeah. Whoa. Should I tell you one? Should I tell you a fun time? Go for it. Okay. So she came, this is when I was in Holland. This is how far back our relationship goes.

And she came to, I think she was doing a concert. Yeah, I'm pretty sure she was doing concerts. And this is like 84. So as one does, of course, you're coming to the Netherlands. and the top record retailer has to have attention because, you know, that's how it works. That's the way it used to work. You know, the number one guy in retail, you got to kiss his ass. So the record company set up this special lunch for this guy who was a real farmer.

I mean, this, he spoke farmer English. He was just, it was a real, it's hard to explain, but in Holland people understand when I say it was a real farmer. just like a redneck basically. And they invited me because she was going to be on my show to interviewer. And basically it's us in this restaurant eating at a table. And this guy presenting this huge ugly triple platinum piece of crap that, you know, you can't take back with you. You know, it's just one of those horrible music industry things.

And he starts off by, yes, I'm so happy here to have Tiny Turner with us today. and you could just see everyone cringing, but no one dared say like, dude, it's Tina Turner. Tiny Turner has sold so many records here in the lowlands. We live it very, very much. And she was just, and I looked at it and said, because I was sitting across from her. It's like, I'm so sorry about this.

This is welcome to the Netherlands. And she was so proper, and this was in her, I think Beyond Thunderdome Danes. Remember when she came back from England? I'm Tina Turner. I talk like this. Remember that? And she got all Thunderdomey.

No. Anyway, once the chicken arrived, I know it sounds racist, but, man, Annie Mae Bullock, when she dove right into the chicken where their hands, screw the cutlery, and we had a great lunch.

And many laughs ensued over the douchebag. Anyway, just one of the many fun moments with Tina Turner. Turned after the trophy. Oh, I'm sure it got left behind at the record company. No one wants that stuff. in their home.

You know, it's not a trophy. It's one of those, it's like four feet long and has four, you know, the platinum records. Yeah. No, I don't. You've got it. Even I don't have the four foot long one up. Yeah, I put it in the garage, actually.

I decided new house. I used to stop the car. New house. I decide not to put any of that in the house. It's in the garage, kind of like a pens oil sign. That's where I got all that stuff. Tint you brought up David Bowie. I need to tell you something.

kind of interesting about Patricia. First wife number one. First wife. Ex-wife number one. There we go. Who is, if anything, John, what is she? She is a promoter to be admired by anyone involved with publicity.

And I always hold the belief, I think I've mentioned on the show, that when you use the media for your own benefit, When you use the PR for your own benefit by whatever it is to get your PR, your message into the media, when you least expect it, it comes back like a boomerang in 10 times force, then knocks you down. And this is exactly what happened to her. Well, what happened?

So David Bowie dies. As with every country, every television station, they had a talk show and they brought in a whole bunch of people to talk. about David Bowie and they had five or six people there's always like you know the DJ with the orange hair you always got the guy who's writing for like the Dutch version of Rolling Stone magazine who has you know like a cardigan and a pipe you know a bunch of douchebags who have never met David Bowie never met David Bowie Boe is Patricia and I think I've told the Bowie story her Bowie story haven't I No I have not heard Patricia Bowie story so when she was 20 and Bowie was

25, then I was minus 2. I've been not even existed, barely in existence. She did the song contest and she did one in Malta. And David Jones, David Robert Jones at the time, was performing before he changed his name to David Bowie. This is how long ago it is.

And so she's asked about this story. She wrote it in her book and she tells a story that, you know, they hooked up, they smoked some weed and they, you know, had some sex and they were running around the beach of Malta. and that he had some kind of loin cloth outfit on that looked really funky, really strange. He had the shitty teeth.

And her punchline is he kept playing this song on his guitars or walking on the beach. And it's like, oh, can you stop with this annoying song already? And it was Space Oddity. So I think that's a funny story. Now, this is like a music business story. Do you know who Seymour Stein is? The name rings the bell, but no. Okay. Seymour Stein.

is the guy who first, he, legend in the music business, started Sire Records. And Sire Records, you know, had many famous artists, but Seymour Stein is really known for Madonna. He really took Madonna into mainstream to the first big album with her. And, you know, he was her, Sire was her record label in the very beginning of her career. And Seymour Stein is really, and I've hung out with him, you know, back in the, I don't know, like mid-80s in London, and just one of these really weird guys, typical music industry guys, like he had a fish tank in his office with 100-pound, 50-pound notes at the bottom of this aquarium, and there were piranha swimming in the aquarium.

It's like, you're welcome to go, you know, grab the 50-pound note, if you don't mind, your hand getting eaten by a piranha. This is really one of these guys, right? Hilarious. And his ex-wife. Linda Stein was also a legend in the music business. She was a manager, famously, of the Ramones. And she was the most abrasive woman you can imagine.

I mean, she would, she just, you know, she would yell, she would scream at people. She'd tell Joey Ramon, shut the fuck up. You know, when they were touring in England, you know, he was complaining about everything. he didn't like the food and she just said then get the fuck back to America you fucking legendary and it's funny because as far as I know Seymour Stein was gay if not at least by but you know it was really weird these two and of course they did break up eventually so

she was X for a reason so legendary woman in fact as she had cancer and she had been operative on cancer and she's this is just one of those famous stories about her so take it with a grain of salt um four hours after the operation she was already on the phone yelling at someone who would fuck something up yeah just just crazy um they found her bludgeoned to death in her apartment yesterday in new york on fifth avenue oh really yeah it wasn't in the news out here well well there you go uh but it's just It's one of those. You watch, the stories will come out.

I'm sure, because, you know, lots of artists dealt with her. So I'm sure people are going to be talking about this. You watch, it's going to be an interesting story. Richard Marks is crazy. You don't even mention him in the book. But it's a great story. No. Well, why don't you call him up?

No. And tell him if you can tell the story. I don't need his permission to tell the story, do I? Well, if you don't want to get sued, maybe. Well, see, now I don't want to do a book. Boy, you're easy. What a pushover. The worst thing about Richard Marks, who I had a...

I don't even know who you're talking about somebody. Nobody knows who you're talking about. Are you kidding me? Richard Marks in the 80s and 90s had number one hits back to back. You know, just because you don't... It was the Marks brothers, or what are you talking about? Okay. I will play you a Richard Marks song.

He sings? He's a singer? Yes, he's a singer. Yes. But what group? Richard Marks. He's just Richard Marks. I never heard of him. No, I'm not surprised you've never heard of him, but he's quite famous. Let me see.

He has all new songs. Where's his biggest hits? Was it right here waiting for you? Right here waiting for you? you dick marks. This kind of stuff. Oh, this is the kind of stuff I don't like. That's probably why I never heard it.

No, of course not. This is boring. Look at, oh, that's Brian Adams. Hold on a second. Light some candles, people. Wait, that's Brian Adams. That's not even Richard Marks. Oh, you don't even get the right guy. Here we go. This is him. This is him.

There's your 19. Sounds the same. 1980s, DX7 synthesize. sound. Oh, no, he comes out of the smoke. Oh, yeah, this is good. Oh, yeah, he's got his blue jeans on. He sits down at the piano.

You don't remember this song? No. It sounds like a dime a dozen. It's a long intro. Hold on. Okay, you can stop it. No, I want to hear him sing now. Anyway.

So I made a joke about his hair once on MTV, which was okay. You know, I had hair. Did he have long hair, short hair or bald? He had big hair. He had big hair like you had. Yeah. And I said, there's Richard Marks with his hair at number four on the top 20 count down. He tried to get me fired.

He literally tried to get me fired. For what? Because I made fun of him. He went to- How did you make fun of him? You said he had hair. That's, I'm telling you. He went to Abby Conowitz.

He went to Rick Crim. The irony to be if he's bald now. No, he's not. Well, no, the hard part is, you know, he's married to? You won't know her either. Daisy Fuentes. Now, you don't know Daisy. Nick Fuentes is his sister?

You're hopeless. This book is not for you, okay? This book is not for you. Don't worry about it. Don't read it. Mimi and I will make a book and we'll make a book. We'll make a book. And I want to do that whole download the PDF.

And if you want to buy it, then value. for value, just send me some money. You'll get something out of it. You'll get nothing. You'll get nothing out of it. No, you'll get something. You just want me to do it so I can go on a promo tour and promote the show. I think it's a good benefit for not having anything about Richard Marks, though.

No, no, because that was a legendary fight. This is legendary. Wow. And then we're on a live... You're unselling the book as we speak. We're on a live radio show and he says, I hope you get cancer. That was Richard Marks. That was kind of cute.

Yeah, so there's good stories there. It's good stories. That's your next. USA, you're up. And I've done some celebrity pageant judging in the past. My favorite was in Sycoccus, New Jersey with Boy George as my fellow judge. This was after the heroin. It was all fat and bald and stuff.

Nice guy. Damn. Boy George judging the women. I don't know. I'm going to show my soul by donating to no agenda. Imagine all the people who could do that. Oh, yeah, that'd be fab. Yeah, oh, no agenda in the morning.

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So go to noagendadonations.com. Your time, your talent, your treasure is all appreciated. Thank you all very much for supporting No Agenda. And our two of the MTV Chronicles is coming at you right now. Do I get to tell my Times Square story from 1980s? Yes, I would like you to go. And then I'm going to bring out the good news about all this. And, of course, why would anybody go to Times Square?

Well, this is my story, 1987. I had arrived at MTV in October. and a month the guy and I get set up, then my first big gig was live from Times Square. I was on Time Square by one time square.

That's, so they had the camera up in the one time square building and I was down there by the I guess the recruiting station. No, no, I was in the crowd, on the ground, in the crowd. And they had to sign.

Were there squealing girls? Yes. And they assigned, but there were no, this nivia crap, this blue nivia bull crap. I don't know what you're talking about, blue nivia bull crap. They didn't have that this year? You know, the big

Nivia sponsors that. I didn't watch that. Well, neither did I, but I assume that Nivia sponsored it again. They always do that. I didn't hear anything about Nivie. And they'd assigned to me an off-duty cop with a, you know, the big-ass gun. Okay. And Paul Riser, what was it tossing to Adam? Let's toss it to Adam down on time.

Paul Riser, the comic? Oh, it's typical. Whenever they're going to do a live show, they bring in celebretties who are anything but television hosts. And they suck. They always suck. So Paul Reiser, I think, maybe Sandra Bernhardt as well, who's definitely not good at just off-the-cuff unrehersed stuff

when MTV wants to be, you know, trying to be a family-friendly. Yeah. Yeah. But so anyway, I thought it was quite an experience because those were the days when, you know, there were hookers on Times Square and sex shops. And, uh, yeah, the place was really, and it was grimy and grungy and people just, you know, it's great, pukeking all over the place and, you know, you know, there was many, there were as many or even more cops back in that era

in Times Square, but they didn't do anything about anything. No, it was a corrupt little enclave. It worked fine. Peep shows. Yes. It was good. Crappy theaters. Good times.

Good times. It was like Grand Theft Auto. It was realistic. And now it's like you think you're in Disneyland. We had at MTV we had something called Light Switch. It's time for Light Switch. Oh, what's that we said? Well, we have a new director of programming coming in who was, I want to say her name was Silverstein.

I think she had like some Her dadio or something And her great idea was we're going to have these Blue screen We'll have all these virtual sets And so what happened was you'd have you see it MTV would come up a video at end playing You'd see a diner

And they'd be like Tony the Tony's in the diner Making a deli making sandwiches And there was a little portable TV on the countertop And I would be in that little TV announcing the next video It was the stupidest thing I've ever seen in my life. Fucking moronic is what it was. In the summer of 1990, MTV had a problem.

They needed to get Budweiser to advertise on the network. I think I've told the story before. No. And they couldn't figure out how to get Budweiser. And they asked me to help them pitch an idea. And the idea was, instead of creating some programming that Budweiser would want, to sponsor, they went to where Budweiser was already naturally, and that was spring break. And that is the entire reason for the creation of spring break on MTV.

Now, that is not native advertising per se. That's more product placement. However, if you go back to those early days, and I had to do some of this, I think it was South Padre Island, I think, which is funny, I live in Texas. now. Do you remember spuds McKenzie, that fucking dog? So we had to do... Bull Terrier. Yes, we had to do like the top 20 countdown with spuds next to me.

I remember we needed Michael Jackson to perform on the video music awards at MTV. And, yeah, so then the dealing starts. You got to, well, then you have to do this. You have to, you got to play this video. And then we also said, well, we'll... give you an award. It'll be the Michael Jackson Video Vanguard Award of the Year, named after him, and I think J-Lo just received it, and it is presented as the Michael Jackson Video Vanguard Award of the Year. We also, by the way, promise that we would always say Michael Jackson, followed by

the King of Pop. And we did. In fact, we once had to record a whole weekend all over again because we hadn't been told we had to do it. Anyway, I digress. So Tim Cook. No, I don't think that's a digression. And that idea that you have to say the king of pop was ridiculous. That we had to go back and re-record everything because we didn't say it. That was ridiculous. That was off the hook. That was two days of work. This is the thing that I learned.

And several people told me, you know, in my late teens, early 20s, you know, and it was kind of like one of these unspoken things. And this person said to me, no, I see that you've got, you know, the twitches and ticks, but I think it makes you look interesting. And I always took that to heart because these were good-looking women. And believe it or not, you're interesting when you're not like everybody else. And this is the same for versions of whatever they call the autism spectrum, et cetera. Don't worry about it. Seriously, I still, to this day, have it.

It's gotten much better because I've become much calmer about it. But I was on television with Tourette's. And it was crazy. I was able to control it. But man, it took so much out of me. And once I kind of let it go, I mean, when Mick Jagger says to you, man, you got a weird tick, but it's kind of funny with an English accent, that's when you're living.

Yeah, Mick Jagger thinks I'm interesting. Name dropper. I helped her get started in show business. Did ever tell you that story? Okay, here we go. Yeah. Yeah, I just remembered. At MTV, we had VH1 at the time, and she was doing comedy stand-up and like Rascals in West Orange, which is a pretty small place, and she was not really getting anywhere very much.

And Steve Leeds, who, he was like director of on-air talents, whatever he was, who now does the same job at Sirius XM. he said, oh, I really want to get Rosie O'Donnell on VH1. So Adam, would you please do the audition with her? And so essentially, I sat there and she talked and just made jokes about me the whole time, which was, yeah, she said, Adam Curry, like, you're such a Barbie doll. Like, you have Mattel stamped on your butt. It was marginally funny. But that's how she got started. Then she got on VH1, and that's how her career was launched.

So I take full responsibility. I'm very sorry. Yeah, you could have just gone back to the guest. You know, she sucks. It's really bad. Just don't put her on. It's a huge mistake in your career. No, I actually went to see her at Rascals in West Orange.

She was funny. I liked her. But this is... That's what you brought on us. Thank you very much. You're welcome. Now, of course... Yet, yet, yet, yet.

Now, here's one for the show. So I left from JFK last night on Virgin. And at JFK, you can't actually check your bags in at the check-in desk. You have then take your bag to the... a TSA screening machine, which is a little bit further up. So I'm rolling my bag down. And I knew I had a huge delay, so I'm taking my time, and I'm feeling pretty good. And so I roll my bag over, and there's this TSA agent.

She's about 6.2. She's extremely milphy. I think, you know, she's pushing 30, in late 30's 40. And John's stunning, a stunningly sexy, tall. woman in uniform. And I'm like, and so, you know, she looks at me and I look at her and we're, you know, we're eye to eye, right? And you have to understand when you're tall like I am, you just don't get that a lot.

I'm like, oh, hi. And she's like, oh, hi. And I hand off my bag. And I said, don't you just miss hugging people your height? She says, oh, it's been such a long time. I said, come here, baby. Give me one. So I hugged her.

And we're like, we're doing this big embrace. And all of a sudden she realizes, she's like, You get the girl fired. But it was a nice hug. It was good. You have to understand. The only time that I had the best hug I ever, I think I told you that,

the best hug I ever had was Shaquille O'Neal. Oh, really? Yeah, I was interviewing him. He's a big dude. Yeah, he's seven foot, whatever. And I was interviewing him for something. And I said, Shaq, can I just ask you one last question, man? He said, yeah, I said, you know, I know, I know you can feel

my pain here. Would you mind if I just hugged you? It would be so nice to be hugged by someone bigger than me. And he says, absolutely. He just engulf, engulfed me. Yeah, it's nice, man. Hugs are good. So Kennedy. Oh, that's my buddy.

You almost killed you. I tell that story to people. She broke my butt. Should I tell this? I should probably tell the story. Yeah, you might as well re-refrain the story because we have not heard it for probably five years. MTV Beach House, first year. Great idea. We all go out to Quag, which is you got the Hamptons and then you got all the poor people. They live in Quag is beyond the Hamptons. Big house on the beach. It was an experiment.

It worked out really well. It later became a reality show when everybody realized that all that happened in the MTV Beach House was just a lot of drinking and screwing around. So all the VJs would be out there for the summer. It was real pain in the butt. You'd drive three and a half hours from the city to get there. and, you know, so we did all the typical beach house things and then we're on wave runners. These days known as jet skis, which they're not, they're wave runners. So I'm doing my segment, but I'm, you know, that I'm sitting on the wave runner and the camera guy's on the other wave runner. And he's, you know, I'm doing my segment. And all of a sudden, Kennedy rams into me with her wave runner thinking she was funny. And so I go flying off the wave runner and hit my left.

buttock right on the edge of the wave runner. And to this day, there's still a crease in my butt. And it was black and blue for months. And she never really said sorry, which I've always wanted to talk to her about. And I almost got on her podcast, but then they canceled on me. Oh, that's too bad. Yeah. Well, her podcast isn't that good.

I, of course, have forgiven her since then. But it'll be fun to talk about it. Well, she's quite lively on Gutfeld. And I got butt slammed. That's right, trolls. I literally got butt slammed by Kennedy. There you go. So there's a couple things I'll say here.

You know, because I have been kind of following the Osmond's over the past couple weeks, mainly because, you know, Marie was in dancing with the stars. And then, and I like that show. She passed out, right? So that kind of got her into the news. I know Donnie. In fact, I raced against him in a celebrity race in Denham. uh during the it was an indie uh an indie event indy car when i was working for mtv and and you know and the guy's fucking serious yeah he won the race by the way he's uh you know i was impressed he was

you know we were all out partying and he was walking the track at five in the morning you know finding the apex and all the fucking perfect curve he wanted to win he really wanted to win i raced in a geo did you now yes um tv uh we followed the uh the indie circuit one year. And it was one year they had the race in Denver, the street race in Denver. And they had the celebrity race. And it was on a Grand Prix or an Indy car grand prix style thing. Well, it was on the streets. It would be Grand Prix more than indie. Well, it was the cars. Well, whatever. It was the same cars. Yeah. Except for you, you had a geo. Yeah. So it was the, you know, it's like the guy, the drummer from White Lion, Johnny Gill, you know, uh, I'm sure one of the

crew guys was there. And I had the in-car camera. I got to find that footage. Because, of course, I went around the corner and crashed into the wall and kept going. You did? Yeah, yeah. The stick shift had come up about two feet, but otherwise it still drove. But the commentary, because when you're in the car and you're skidding around, you hit the wall, and you bounce off, it feels like, wow, man, this is spectacular. Then you see the footage on TV and the commentator, it's literally like, what? Because it's a geo. They go, you know, how slow it looks then. It looks like I'm a grandma who's lost control. And the guys who were going to call the official race are like, oh, there's Adam Curry from MTV.

Oh, okay. You know, that's like one of those. Like, dude can't even hold on to the wheel. My Gio story. I've made this mistake myself once when I was interviewed. You can make the mistake, but you can't do it on. No, but I just want to tell you how embarrassing. I make the mistake all the time.

So maybe I'm too harsh. Oh, come on. Sidney, you're in the news business as a news model. Yeah, if you're in the news business, you don't think Sydney is a business. And he's reading this on the prompter. Yes, of course. These people are, they don't know, can't, Tucker Carlson also, it's all prompter. There's nothing that's not from the prompter.

He may write some of that stuff himself. These people don't write it themselves. And they're idiots. They're just idiots. I have done this myself. I was interviewing Fleetwood Mac. and this isn't the late. So you had a conversation with that guy, Steve Nix?

No, much worse. I said so. Worse? Yeah, worse. I said, so do you think Lindsay Buckingham will ever come back into the group or is she done with it? And I remember Mick Fleetwood looking at me and you're saying, if his penis fell off, maybe.

Lindsay, that's funny. It was horrible. I don't think it's worse, but it's bad. It was for me. Horrible. Horrible, horrible, horrible. When I, uh, Mick Fleetwood had brought the band back together briefly in the mid, almost late 80s, mid 80s, and it was without, I think it was without Lindsay Buckingham.

I can't, or, maybe, Lindsay Buckingham was here. Maybe, maybe Christine McVee wasn't it? But I quit too. But I remember. Talking to Mick Fleetwood, doing an interview, one of the, I had two big gaffs in my career. This was the Fleetwood Mac one. Where I said, so, Lindsay Buckingham, is she going to be on the tour this year? The other one, the other gaff, just while we're on it, the other gaff, just while we're on it, the other gaffe, was when I was interviewing Jermaine Jackson, who had a song with Pia Sedora when the rain begins to fall from some movie soundtrack.

And, and of course, I said, ladies. and gentlemen, please welcome Michael Jackson. Yeah, it's one of those cringe-worthy moments when you do that. Riddle me this. Why is that guy's name not up there with Hendricks and Clapton and Bex? I mean, he should absolutely be there. So I interviewed him back in the, oh yeah, late 80s. And he came into the studio because, you know, I think it was, might have been Headbanger's Ball.

I don't remember. And this is, you remember these days, Larry, back in the day, like when even the VJ's got golden platinum records and like yeah thanks for thanks for helping son here's something to hang on your wall and he came in and he gave me a a his signature steve stevens a hamer guitar i still have it i still have it signed by sound by steve stevens yeah that he was just a nice guy yeah yeah that's so new york right that his new york accent very much he literally walked down the street oh he just walked down the street to the studio no had a guitar case here adam how he do them these guys all very, very New York, very New York.

Love that about him. And then there's a classic guitar story, Joe Satriani, who I think is also just virtuoso. The guy is so good. You can look it up on YouTube. There's two versions. There's a longer version.

And he's going to give me guitar lessons. He's going to show me. Now, I'm not actually holding a guitar. But he has a guitar. He says, okay, Adam. And he says, now this is, me, does some. and there's a little bit of stuff back across. But that's not really what makes you a great guitar player.

And here's something you can practice at him. You've got to make your faces. So it was teaching the right face to make. The right face to make. Oh, when you hit this one, you go, you got to pull the lips back like that. And you've got to close. Prize.

That's what makes a great guitar player right there. That's great stuff. Yeah, you can have the sound. It's not in the gear. I mean, Ted Nugent told the story about Eddie Van Halen where when he met him, he's like, you know, how do you get that sound? And Eddie handed him his guitar. He's like, I played it.

I sound like Ted Nugent still. I don't know how he, you know, made those sounds. It wasn't trickery. It wasn't gear. It was just pure talent and the way he played. Talent's in tone, ma'am. That's what it is. Yes.

And the tone comes in the hands. Yes, it does. You cannot fake it. In the early days, you actually could take it. In the early days, you actually could take. the gold or platinum record out of the case and you could play it however you had to play it backwards because it was a gold or platinum played a version of i guess they called it the mother um so when you verse right inverse yeah so so you literally had to play it backwards but they did

play they actually did play later it was just crap i mean i still mine still have um later i've later i got the CD versions from Michael Jackson and Arrowsmith, which is those are some of my, I like those because I can always, you know, connect the story to it. But I have a lot of the old school platinum and gold records and they all have a little cassette stuck to the right hand bottom corner, you know, because it also sold on cassette back in the day. And those, of course, over the years have, you know, come unglued and dropped and they're kind of loose in the case. Memorabilia is fun. Deaf Leopard.

in, I don't know, 90, maybe 90 or 91, Def Leppard did a tour in the round. And, um, okay. MTV sent me out to go cover them in, man, I want to say Atlanta, the Omni, I think that, yeah, I think it was the Omni in Atlanta. I think so. I don't, I can't remember what it was. And they were in the round.

So, you know, there's audience on all sides. and the way they got the band, you know, from, you know, the dressing room into, you know, underneath the stage was in, you know, these big laundry carts. And so before the lights went down, you just see these folks, you know, just push along these laundry courts and the guys got out. And that's kind of how I imagine this, the way, you know, the way the memes were working is like, yeah, I'm just hiding him there. But, you know, the press is mad. That's what they did with David Lee Roth. Well. Here's another story.

and the Edemman's Smile Tour, they get him from one side, from the stage to the back to ride the surfboard across the audience. He rides his giant surfboard. And that's how they had him in a roadcase. But it was a big road case. It probably had a seat in it.

Probably had, you know, some Jack Daniels and a fan and whatnot. And they pushed him over there. And then he floated across the crowd on a surfboard. And of course, the press was mad. Steve, I was playing an amazing solo. And it was a contest. and it was a hundred winners

and it would be, it was a cool MTV-like contest actually. A hundred winners would go to the North Pole for a concert with Metallica. Actually it was Metallica Hole. So Courtney Love and one other band, I can't remember.

And we did a cybercast from the North Pole and it was pretty interesting because, you know, the only way to do it is we took a multiplexer so we could take 24 phone lines and basically convert that into like you know, 150 kilobits per second or whatever. And we had that linked all the way down from Tuk to Yuktu, which is northwestern territory.

And, you know, literally like, you know, a couple miles inside the Arctic Circle there. Well, let's get back to the, how did you get to the North Pole? Ah. Well, it's a combination of many flights. And the last one is basically an otter. So an otter is, you know, one of those airplanes with the huge, the huge inflated tires,

and it's a real workhorse. And you can sit in it in kind of like jump seats, but it's really meant for taking cargo. And, yeah, so you basically land up on the ice near a drilling platform up there. And so in not being the dark period, it was light for 24 hours straight, which was really, really weird. And, of course, you're up there. You know, we had our crew, and we're sleeping in the oil barracks,

if you will. And, you know, as is metallic, as is everybody. And so, you know, we're looking, there's nothing to do, obviously. And so we like, and it's dry, right? There's no alcohol. It's forbidden. But, you know, we figure, you know, we can probably figure something out. So we go outside and it's midnight, but, you know, kids are riding around on their bikes and it's as if it were midday. And, you know, some of the kids come over and we're, you know, say, hey.

Wait, wait, wait, wait, there's a, let's back up a minute. There's a bunch of people at the North Pole. Well, it's not exactly on the North Pole, North Pole, but, you know, within, I don't know, what is it? 50 miles, 75 miles. Yeah, there's all kinds of villages. I thought it was pretty barren up there. It was pretty barren up there. Oh, okay.

No kidding. You know, the next town was several hundred miles and that was anuvic, I think is what it was called. Anyway It was September actually I remember because it was my birthday I put my toe into the Arctic waters Of the pole I dip my toe and it's a tradition

I think is what it was So we said to these kids Hey man do you know we can Tradition And we can get something So you want the drug dealer Yeah he lives in that house right over there A drug dealer

Swear to God His kids riding around on their bikes It was a fantastic experience. Well, you got me on that one. I know another guy who, like a year or so ago, went and went to Antarctica and some. There's a cruise, I guess you can take. Icebreaker.

Icebreaker cruise, yeah, I think I've heard about that, yeah. Yeah, you leave from somewhere in South America, I guess down to tip down to southern Argentina, I suppose, and boat over there and crack your way into that. And, you know, that's supposed to be even worse than the Arctic. It relates to why I was there. I was shooting a television commercial for Sam Goody.

And we're shooting it at the Sam Goody store in the Mall of America, because, of course, that's their flagship store. It's the biggest one or whatever. And so it's like a three-day shoot. And the second night I'm there, I get a call around midnight in the hotel room. So I pick it up. And, yeah. Yeah, Prince has a party over at Paisley Park,

which is famously in Minneapolis as well. It says, do you want to come? I'm like, let me think. Yeah. So, okay, well, there's a car downstairs waiting for you. And so I got whisked away to the purple palace. And there was a party at the Paisley Park. It's a, yeah, it's a happening town.

So how was the party? Did you get to meet Prince? Yeah. Was he going by the name Prince at the time? Yeah, no, I think it was going by the name of Prince at the time. Yeah, so you come in, you go through a metal detector, which makes sense. And then there's a, like, you know, there's a whole bunch. It's really clean.

Now you know you're going to a real party. Real party when you go through a metal detector. Yeah, so it was a big room, lit, but dimly lit, but of white room across one side, just the nicest buffet I'd seen in a long, long time. And then there was a DJ with like a mobile setup, and he was playing all kinds of prints tunes you've never heard before in your life. And it's like there must have been 150 beautiful girls and boys, nothing

else, of course. It was kind of funny because Prince was standing over by the speakers near the, near the DJ. And I was talking to a couple of people who said, I'm going to go over and say hi to him. And this one girl, I kid you not, says, oh, you better not do that, man. You better not. Why not?

Well, because you're like six feet tall and you're white, man. That's two strikes. You don't want to be talking to Prince. Like, fuck you. So I went over. introduced myself. And guy was not, first of all, he's not that small.

You know, the stories about him, you think he was an oompa lumpa. But anyway, and he was really nice and he knew, you know, what I had done on MTV

just the previous week and said, oh, and my daughter had been born maybe, maybe she's a year old and said,

how's your daughter? And he knew what was going on. It was fantastic. He's a, he's an artist slash businessman. Absolutely. Why would he be a jerk like this girl thinks?

Because, well, she obviously likes to project that image for a good reason because he doesn't want to be bothered by every schmuck in the world. By her in particular, I think. Yeah, right, by her. And the coolest thing, though, was because the party ends at a certain point. You know, Prince, of course, he only made his appearance, and he was there for a little while, and then he disappeared. And then all of a sudden, you know, his guys come through this room.

And all they do is they just kind of like flick flashlights on and off pointed at the floor. And they just walk around, they're clicking their flashlights, and everyone knows, oh, it's time to go. And then within 15 minutes, the whole place was empty. Huh. Yeah. So like a slick party.

Very slick party. In hindsight, though, I was thinking, you know, we started our careers around the same time, and I work with her when I was 19. I think she was 20, maybe I was 20, she was 21. And she was on the show. I was presenting at the time in Gitmo Nation's. lowlands. And this was when she had her first hit, I want to dance with somebody. And I recall

thinking, wow, she's really strange. She was a complete, in hindsight now I realize she was, of course, an MK Ultra subject. She was completely mind control. You know, did whatever her handlers told her to do, not a single smile. You know, and we were young. You know, like when you're young, you're supposed to be like, man, isn't this cool? Can you believe this shit? This is awesome? Look what we're doing. We're on TV. You're singing. No, just nothing. Just a complete. non-blink stare. Racco Welch passed away and that reminded me that I met her in the late 80s. Racko?

Rackle. Rackle. Rackle. I thought the other name was funnier. You did meet her. How was she? What kind of a person was she? I met her in the late 80s.

Maybe it was like 88, 89. And I can't remember if she was in a movie or she was part of a maybe. There was some promotion. And I remember MTV said, oh, you should go there and make it. You know, she'd go and see what's going on or something. I don't know what it was. very early on at MTV when I still lived in the city. Did she make a pass at you?

No. She was really very quiet, very docile, like just almost like, you know, almost didn't say anything. And she must have been like 50 or early 50s then. Here's the thing, here's the thing that I noticed. She, and this is going to sound weird, but, you know, it's the only story I have about Raquel Welch. I'll never get to tell it again.

Just like Christina Applegate, she had, she's, had a layer of fur, a fuzz. Like all over her face and her arms, very light, very, you know, like bleach probably, just fur. Like her face has furry. Yes, her face had fuzz on it. And I remember going, wow, that's kind of interesting. And the same thing happened to me when I met Christina Applegate at the MTV Awards at one time. There's some women have fur.

Did I ever tell you that, that I interviewed Jamie Lee Curtis? No, this is a story for the show. Yes. Did she hit on you because you're a good looking guy back in the day? I was in. Back in the day. What is this, Dvorak? I'm still a stud.

Back in the day. I digress. It was probably 19. When did footloose come out? So footloose came out. I think it was either foot. I interviewed Kenny Loggins. And maybe it was.

was top gear. I can't remember. But then, oh, yes, because we're doing something for the MTV Awards. I was in Los Angeles, and then I interviewed Jamie Lee Curtis, and it was right around when Fish called Wanda was coming out. And it was at her house. And I remember it was that she said, so it was after we were done recording, and we're just chatting, and she says something to me, and I don't get the joke.

And she says, Adam, don't you know I was born a hermaphrodite? And I'm like, what? She says, yes, my parents chose female for me, but probably was the wrong choice. Well, she said it was probably the wrong choice? Yes, that was probably the wrong choice for her. Isn't that interesting? Then we walk out for coffee. And coffee were back in the cocktail reception area.

And the king and queen are just mingling. And the queen comes over and I'm talking with her for 20 minutes. just drinking coffee and she's very tall and she, I'd say, well she had five inch heels on. I looked very closely at what she was wearing

because I know I had to report to a number of women in my life. I mean, she's a very charming woman. Deep brown eyes, lots of wrinkles around the eyes, very little, very little makeup maybe just a base,

almost nothing. Hair, this was not a big public event. I don't even know if she, washed it. It looks stringy. No, I'm being honest. I'm being honest. Yeah, yeah, a little bit like a hippie girl. And by the way, about halfway through this 20 minutes, there was a hair flip. I just want to say. I'm like, oh, hair flip. Gray. I'm not glad you noted that. That's good.

It was right next to me. There was. Did she hit you in a face with her hand or anything in the process? No, no, no. There was a, so she was wearing a gray pencil skirt. What bug me was the jacket These details aren't There are women who listen to the show John think about the demo The demo Just for a second

She was wearing a gray pencil skirt Yeah the problem was the jacket was so How many pencils does it make Is it so ill fitting in the back That the it was like she was holding her shoulder blades back And it was kind of perched back This is unacceptable It was

It's like no one looked at her and said Nah that jacket's no good only vintage jewelry, very understated, but not really pretty, just looked like old grandma's old stuff. I'm sure it was grandma's old stuff, you know, the old queen. It was, yeah, it was grandma's old. Sure. But, you know, nothing like mind-boggling.

Just, I wasn't like, you know, wasn't really spectacular. That's just me. So then, but listen. Decadent. And she says, how's your daughter? She's great. Yeah, yeah. She's doing all kinds of fun things.

And yeah, with comparing notes as parents about, you know, my daughters, you know, they're now, you know, 15. I think they know everything. And it says, you know, and your girlfriend or wife girlfriend, you know, she works at Ronald McDonald's house. Yeah, she runs the whole thing. So, yeah. And she knew everything, she knew all this stuff, all these details. Yeah, they had the dossier open. Yeah.

The two of them got together before the thing. And said, what do you think we should talk about these idiots? Well, I think they must have. I don't know. Let's see what we got here. I'm hoping. Look at this. Well, this curry guy's kind of interesting. I met the queen.

She invited me to Buckingham Palace. I went into the front gates with the chauffeered car, you know, waited in this hall. It was with other people. Give the preface. Give us a little idea. You were just, oh, let's get Adam over. That's exactly how. There was some other reason.

No, it was just let's get. Hey, he's in town. I hear he's in town. He's a pod father. Bring that mofo over there. It was the relaunch of the Queen's website, the royal website. And so there was a party. And it was, what's the, Tim Berners-Lee?

So maybe it came through him. That would be something that he would have said, oh, yes, Curry's here. And I still have the invitation. It was beautiful, you know, like a block of wood. Her Majesty requests your attendance. And so, you know, they pick you up in a car. It was a Mercedes, by the way. Oh, the horrors.

And they went right through those front gates of Buckingham Palace. And then we went in this big hall and the, you know, waited for, I don't know, 20 minutes. But it was a hall that was interesting because it had just all these master artworks that you recognize. Oh, that looks like Rembrand Van Gogh, but you don't really recognize the painting. And then we go in. And then we all get to meet the queen. And she's standing on a box, of course. And she had her gloves on.

And she wasn't holding her handbag like she was in that picture meeting the new prime minister. And I did something which you're not really supposed to do. But I promised myself, I had to do it. And I looked into her eyes when I shook her hand. You're not supposed to do it? No, no, you're not supposed to. You're not supposed to look down or something? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And I saw nothing. It was kind of, kind of eerie. She's a robot. I don't know, I don't know, man. They weren't slanty. So I don't think she served the list or she hadn't transformed. And the only other thing I can really say is that she should, she served mum's champagne,

which is kind of like, really? I mean, that's like $20 a bottle in H.E.B. Well, it's not that cheap, but it's, I mean,

it's a real champagne. Yeah. And they have a higher end version. It was just a standard, standard mums. It's not really that great. And I'm sure I voted for Bill Clinton. I'm quite sure of it.

You know, because it was cool. Of course it was. Boxes are briefs, Mr. President. You know, and I got an invitation from Hillary to go visit the White House. Did you really? I want to know more about this. Yeah, I wish.

I wish. You didn't go? No, I was on assignment. I think at the time I was doing the, I was the only guy who could ski at MTV. And they did a deal with the mogul, the pro-mogal skiing tour. which meant someone had to go out, unfortunately, someone had to go to every single awesome skiing place in the United States. That's horrible.

And British Columbia. I went to Whistler. And I would do the top 20 countdown, a couple of segments. And when I got back, someone said, oh, yeah, this came to you up at the office. And you have to understand the office in the studio. There was two different worlds. The MTV News Department, which came in at a certain point,

and they hated us. They just hated the VJs. VJs were just scum to them. We never got invited to the video music awards. Oh, yeah, you can have a ticket. Oh, yeah. You can get a ticket if you fly yourself out. Oh, yeah.

Wow. Yeah. And so, and then this invitation had come in from the white. I still have it. It come in from the White House. The first lady, request your presence. I don't remember what it was for, but so it had already passed by the time I got the invitation. You got to say hello to General Flynn, General Flynn.

Come on. Come on. Come on. Come on. Come on. Come on. Come on. They can sound like a cat in a cartoon. Anybody who knows Joe will be like, that's Joe. That sounds exactly like Joe. Yeah, okay. And so we go over like, hey, yeah, yeah, yeah, see, Jeff Flynn. Do a picture, do a picture. And, you know, and Flynn is there basically just being inundated by people the whole time, you know, taking pictures with him. Yeah, it's what he does.

He's got his tuxedo on. And then so we line up. up for a picture. And then Joe's like, Did you ask her where Putin was? Looked around? That's what I would have done. I mean, I barely had time to thank him for his service. But Joe was like, yeah, this is General John. This is Adam Creep. Headbanger's ball. And Flynn looks at me, huh?

He's like, what? Headbangers ball? What of all the things Joe could have said about me? He's like, hey, yeah, headbangers ball. And I, oh, brother. Flynn gave me a look like, uh, okay. Who hell's this guy? Who's the lawyer? Because I had my suit on.

Remember gopher and Usenet? Those were the days. Gofer. Gofer, man. That was the pre-golding age. Did I ever tell you my gopher story? No. Yeah, probably.

But tell me again because I easily forget some of these stories. So I'd registered MTV.com. Then I ran it on a Headless Sun 3 at Digex in Virginia, I think. they're above a Chinese restaurant. And I really just, I said, what domain names? I don't know, MTV.com. Okay, boom, didn't have to pay anything

and was all, same time I got curry.com. Like, okay, I'll get that. And Elvis.com. I had that. A lot of domain names. And of course, there was no web then, so I set up a gopher server.

And that, you know, for me, as a VJ, blonde and everything, you know, setting, you know, compiling binaries and doing all those. It was quite a learning curve, but I got it to work. And they put up little bits and bobs. Now, for those you don't know,

who gopher is, it was a tech. based navigation system with hyperlinks and was pretty much the precursor to the web. And then I got a cease and desist from the University of Minnesota. And they said, well, you're using that commercially. I said, no, this is not MTV. This is me. I'm doing it.

They're letting me do this because they don't think the internet is going to be anything. And they're very proud of the keywords they have on AOL. So they're all happy. Yeah. Keyword MTV. Right. Yeah. And music television.

Whoa, it was a double whammy. And I think they also had some gateway on prodigy. So they were all set. I didn't realize that gopher had a provision against commercialism. Yes. And they said, you need to pay us $5,000. I'm like, I don't have $5,000. I don't have it.

And, but I came up with... You just had a website. Where'd the gopher angle come in? Because I was using gopher on MTV.com. So when you could use, you know, it's a gopher D. So it's a demon. It's the service. It's the actual software that makes gopher work.

Okay. So they were saying, you have to pay a, license. I can't pay that. And then we came up with a deal. And you can, if you, if you search for this on YouTube, you'll find it. I said, what I'll do is I'll wear the University of Minnesota, I think, I'll wear a, a year gopher t-shirt on MTV. You mean it, like a sweatshirt or a t-shirt? Yeah. No, a t-shirt. And they said, okay, that was it. That's worth $5,000. Probably more at the time. But yeah. Yeah. Anyway, I've never heard that story. Yeah. I think I'd remember that one.

That's pretty funny. That's what happened. Watching this trial, though, took me back to my time in court with MTV Networks. And particularly during the prosecution, I recall so vividly having gone through, because, you know, I had MTA, for those who don't know it, I'd registered. Prosecution, were you under some criminal indictment? That's the way I felt. It felt like prosecution. It was the lawyer for MTV. It was the lawyer for MTV. prosecution. Let me explain how it felt, though, because I think it's the same general thing. And so this is about MTV.com, which I registered. They said, don't worry about it. We don't give a shit about the internet.

And then when I left, then they didn't even ask for it back. They just sued me. So I counter sued and went back and forth. So then we went through discovery. And I, you know, I was literally with two interns for days in a lawyer's office pulling emails off of floppy disks. Okay. This is how, I mean, this is a long time ago. This is 1994, I think. But I recall so vividly MTV's lawyer presenting their case and sitting there going, well, shit, did I do something wrong? If you put it that way, it sounds like I'm a horrible person. And even though it's just like, well, wait a minute, that's the facts, but you're presenting it in a really different light. and it makes me look horrible.

And I just remember how scary that was. And I think that that's, you know, when you, when you get the same facts and you have prosecution versus defense in this criminal trial, it's kind of the same thing. Like, well, you can turn everything in different directions and make it sound a certain way. And we have the benefit of knowing a lot more. What's the best dirt in there? Well, it's all good dirt. The way they did it is, I haven't really ever seen this. they essentially they interviewed a lot of people.

I know they interviewed me for like five hours and recorded it all on tape. And they transcribed it and they just put all these quotes one after another for 600 pages about different topics. And it was pretty interesting. It's a long read. But it's a, they had my quotes right. So I presume they did everyone else's quotes right. And as it turns out, what I suspect, I now know for sure, that I was fired from Headbanger's Ball thanks to Axel Rose and Doug Herzog.

Axel Rose got me fired. Why? Because his heroin buddy was Ricky Rackman. And, of course, Ricky Rackman has no talent. And then Axel, they were watching me on Headbanger's Ball. And Axel says, hey, man, wouldn't you want to be a VJ? And I said, no, don't worry. I'll make a call.

Of course. Axel Rose calls MTV. They're all blowing him. And like 24 hours later, I was off the show. Hold on. That's deplorable. That's totally deplorable. I fought to get Guns and Roses played on the channel.

No one wanted to play it. And that's my thanks. So you, wait a minute. Yeah, it's true. You got them to play Guns and Roses, made them so successful, at least on the channel, that they could call up and have you fired. Yes. Well, there's a difference.

That's pretty ironic. Well, there's a difference between Guns and Roses and Axel Rose. I mean, Axel Rose is a maniac. And I don't think the guys in the band actually like him. But, yeah, it's true. MTV would not touch Guns and Roses. They're like, we can't play this. He's got a video where he's getting electrocuted in an electric chair.

And I'm like, yeah, play. And then they started playing him and then got me fired. Serves you're right. And look at where I am now. You have to understand that I am persona non grata in the, in the, official circles. So MTV has its 30th anniversary on August 1st. Yeah, guess who's not going to be in it? Seriously. Me, I'm not going to be in it. You're right. Yeah, John, you're excluded. And they're, going to be talking about headbangers ball and that douchebag Ricky Rackman will be on like he owns the show.

I shouldn't get too far. I mean, you know, it's what happens when you sue a big corporation and win. I wouldn't invite you either. It's bad. But it's like they're erasing. What do you expect? I'm rubbed out. I'm rubbed out from history. It just erased me. So the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Museum, yeah. You know what?

Here's what will happen. I'll show up. They can't get you out of the swamp thing movie. That's where you're... That's true. Now I'm there forever. That I'll show up and they go, hey, Adam Curry, great. That'll be a $39 entrance fee.

Oh, no, no. There'll be two big goons hauling your ass on your butt out the door. Get out of here, kid. Well, there you go. Maybe that should turn into a book one day. What do you think? I'm sure there's more that I can talk about. MTV Chronicles, I don't think we've ever done one of these.

We may have had some of Adam's stories, but not necessarily the MTV Chronicles. So I hope you enjoyed it. And definitely something we can do again in the future. Again, it sounds like an audio book or just a book in general. It might be something there. I've got to think about it. The memoirs. Sunday.

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