No Filler Music Podcast - A Little Heavier: How Helmet Bridged Indie Rock and Metal

Episode Date: May 2, 2022

We turn up the gain and aggression just a tad as we take one step closer to metal with tracks from Helmet's Meantime and Betty. Helmet carved out their own space in the 90s rock spectrum with a unique blend of metal-leaning riffs, melodic grooves, and alt-rock vocals. Tracklist: Unsung Iron Head You Borrowed Wilma's Rainbow Speechless Beautiful Love This show is part of the Pantheon Podcast. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Just buy five or more participating items and save a dollar each with card. Bakers, fresh for everyone. And welcome to No Filler, the music podcast dedicated to sharing the often overlooked hidden gyms that fill the space between the singles on our favorite records. My name is Travis. I got my brother Quentin with me today. And we are taking a slight turn from where we've been focusing the majority of this year, I feel like, or at least the last few months, has been very, very dedicated to shoe

and alt rock. As you may have heard from that intro song, we're going a little bit heavier, but this is still kind of under the umbrella of alt rock in some sense or another. But we're going to focus on some bands over the next few weeks that kind of, they fall under alt metal or post-hardcore. And this band today that we're talking about is called Helmet. And that song was their single called Unsung,

off of their 1992 record meantime. So Q, we're going heavier. Are you concerned? Because you, you know, are well known, at least to dedicated listeners of no filler. The metal is not one of your go-to genres. You tend to shy away from the heavier side of music, whereas I embrace it. I shy away from it, but I enjoy it when. it's brought to me. You're not going to like turn your nose up at it. No, no. But from what I heard

from that intro, it sounds like there's a little bit more going on with what they were doing. And yeah, it doesn't feel so much like metal. But yeah, I could hear a little Ozzy Osbourne in his voice or maybe the way he sings. That's so funny, dude. You know why? Because I was talking to because I don't hear it. I don't hear it at all. Right from the rip, dude. Well, maybe you haven't listened to enough Ozzy or Black Sabbath really. That's probably it, dude. But the only reason I say, it's funny that you say that is because maybe I'm the one who's wrong here because I was talking to one of my coworkers like right before we jumped on. I was like, hey, we're covering helmet.

Do you remember them? Because he, like, he's, you know, he grew up listening to Rock in the 90s like, like I did, right? And he, I told him to pull up unsung and he started hearing it. And he was like, oh, yeah, I'm hearing some Ozzie a little bit. So, hey, you know what? Maybe I'm wrong here. I personally don't hear it, but that's because I usually think about Ozzy's like sort of like lazy sort of like the Doom metal. Well, just though, he's such a unique singer, you know, that like it's hard to sound like Ozzy, I feel like.

Anyway, that and I was hearing some corn. What was the band that you, where you said that and I had to like contain myself? Oh, man. I don't remember what it was, dude. Yeah, either way. But that's my go-to joke now. because I don't listen to metal. And so I, you know, I don't have any bands to point to to say, you know, I'm picking up on guitar that sounds like this band or bass lines like this.

So, yeah, this is all new territory for me. But it is exciting that this was also happening. I mean, this was, this album was 92. Yeah. So, yeah, this again just proves how awesome 90s rock was. Yeah, there's just so. much variety. And yeah, I think what you'll hear with this band, I think the riffs lean toward metal,

and there are moments where the singer screams like more of a punk, like a hardcore punk band. But I wouldn't really call them metal in the sense that you're thinking of metal. But like, let's just talk about what the term alt metal refers to, because corn can sometimes be classified as, I mean, they're more like new metal, quote unquote, but they're also kind of under the alt metal umbrella. And helmet is nowhere close to corn as far as like corn sound. Of course, corn is very unique, right? Anyway, so here's the Wikipedia definition.

Alt metal is a genre of heavy metal music. That goes without saying, I think, Wikipedia, okay. It combines heavy metal with influences, of alt rock. I mean, that's a given. Why did I even waste my time reading that? They're like, it takes metal and it combines it with alt rock. Well, yeah, we got that from the name, all metal. Anyway, let's keep going here. Okay, here's the important part. It's characterized by heavily down-tuned, mid-paced guitar riffs, a mixture of accessible melodic vocals. I think that's one of the key distinctions. Melodic vocals and harsh vocals and sometimes unconventional

sounds within other heavy metal style. So anyway, that's to me kind of what I associate with alt metal is that the vocals might sound a little bit more like hum, right? The hum lead singer or even like, you know, maybe somebody like the singer for Toadies or something like that, where it's not your traditional metal voice that you associate with like heavy metal music, but it could also, you know, swing in that direction at any moment, right? And that's true with Paige Hamilton here. Page Hamilton, that's the lead singer of this band that we're talking about today. What's also interesting about Paige is that he studied jazz music and went to New York

to attend a Masters in Jazz program at the Manhattan School of Music. So he is, you know, classically trained, as they would say, which is interesting. Well, here's what's jumping out to me, dude. He played in Glenn Branca's guitar symphony. You know who else played in that group? Who? Thurston Moore and Lee Ronaldo from Sonic Youth. Well, there you go.

So that's pretty cool, that they all were kind of in the same circles. Glenn Branca is famously the kind of like the pioneer of the like avant-garde, like no-wave movement. Oh, I didn't know that. That's the first time I'm hearing that. Yeah, you should have read that book, dude. Yeah, I should have, but you read it for me, so. But also, and this is something that we, that you and I talked about how this was kind of a huge coincidence here, because you had just kind of stumbled upon this band. But he was, uh, one of the original guitar players for a band called Band of Susans, which is another kind of shoegaze band. Oh, yeah, dude. And we're going to cover them. I've decided we have to. So along with Page is

Australian-born guitarist Peter Mungetti, classically trained bassist Henry Bogdan, and Florida death metal veteran John Stannier. So that's a good mix, man, because they've got Paige Hamilton, who has studied jazz, right? One of the most difficult genres to master. A death metal drummer, John Stannier,

another classically trained musician, right? So like that's that's a lot of like music theory and you know coming to the table, right? And that's one of the things that they're kind of known for is these interesting sort of time signatures and stuff. So anyway, let me read a quote here from a interview that Page Hamilton did with Guitar World magazine in 1992. So probably to promote this record. He said he had this one jazz teacher who was a real music purist. He'd play me BB King solos and say, go learn this. And of course, BB King solos are the epitome of sparseness.

I'm always inspired by the weight music achieves when there's a lot of space. A saxophone player breathes and that space is critical to the music. I love that. I love it. And I could not agree more. this guy approaches music in that sense of like the importance of space and letting something breathe and stuff like that. And that's pretty critical, I think, and what makes helmet unique. So before I say anything else, let's take a quick break.

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our first picker cue before we see anything else about the band. Quickly, let me just say, just to give some quick deeds here, they formed an 89 from New York City. We should also mention, too, that we did cover Helmet, didn't we? Yes, that's a good point. Back in our sidetrack days, which is a format we used to do, that was in the early days of the podcast. I think I was solo on this one, and I did an episode on a song called Vaccine,

I believe is what it's called off of their second album, Betty. All right, Hugh, let's just jump right into a track here because, you know what? Sometimes you just got to hear it. You just got to hear the song, you know, you got to hear the music. That's really why people are tuning in every week, dude. Yeah, let's just get right to it. And I think, you know, after knowing what you now know about the lineup, I think it helps to kind of get a sense of what makes these guys special.

And I think you might hear some of that. I'm actually going to play a song later that's like a straight jazz guitar song that he snuck into one of his albums, which I thought was really cool. Anyway, all right, let's jump ahead here to track two on the record. Meantime, this song is called Ironhead. That didn't sound anything like Ozzy. Was that the same singer? It is, yeah. Okay.

Yeah. And that, yeah, he's got kind of this Jekyll and Hyde thing going on where he, yeah, he has these two sides to him, right? Because that song that introduced us in didn't sound like that at all. I initially thought that they had two different singers. Yeah. But they don't. That's all page. But anyway, that's part of the definition of all metal is the variance in like the vocal

styles that you might hear. And like Paige just does both of them. Yeah. But there's one thing we haven't heard in a while cue, a guitar solo. Because most of the bands we've been covering, you don't really hear guitar cellos, right? Yeah, I guess I never thought about the 90s being the beginning of the end for guitar solos and rock for a while because, like, it really didn't come back until, I don't know, like the garage rock revival. Yeah, because, you know, you had guitar solos in Strokes songs. You had guitar solos in Weezer songs.

Yeah, I mean, that's the thing. Like, you know, there's guitar solos and like Allison Chain stuff. But it's not your, it's not your stay way to heaven guitar solo or anything like that. So here's what I was thinking of what came to mind. And maybe, I think it may have been the drummer and maybe just the way that they chugged their guitar. I was getting. And I want to know where this band falls in this landscape. Rage Against the Machine.

Yes. I think Rage would be classified as like new metal, alt metal for sure. Rap metal, funk metal, alternative metal. But that's, yeah, this was all happening. again, like you said earlier, dude, that's why the 90s really was the best, the last decade for good rock music because there were so many things happening. Yeah, really crazy to think about.

Grunge, man. And at the same time, new metal coming up, this alt metal stuff. And then alt rock happening alongside it, like R.M. You know, kind of had their peak success in the 90s, right? Let's not forget shoe gaze, dude. And shoe gaze, right. Exactly.

And it's crazy to think about. Right. And all of it was happening early 90s, right? So anyway, I'm going to read a quote here from another interview that actually is a fairly recent interview. October of 2020, Paige was interviewed by this website called machine music.net. The person who maintains this website has this pillars of the 90s interview series. And so he interviewed Page Hamilton. So Paige Hamilton was saying,

It's always interesting to me when people who are musicians, quote unquote, when I tell them that one of my favorite bands is ACDC, they're just shocked because people who don't know anything about music will dismiss it as this simplistic head banging blues-based metal. And there are people who are like that with Helmut who think it's just, quote unquote, meathead music, whereas there are people like T.M. Stevens who played with Miles Davis. and James Brown, an amazing musician, and he came to see Helmut and was like, Helmut is just like a big ball of ice cream, just sweet and amazing and delicious, and then you dig in, and there's spinach inside. I like that description, like, because that's a good, I think that's a good way to describe alt metal or maybe post-hardcore. There could be these like melodic vocals and stuff or more straightforward melodies

that are maybe more like, I guess that's the sweet part of it. but then he starts screaming like that and it's got that there's a spinach or whatever you know it's got the rough you're not expecting when you dig deeper like you know the harder side of but anyway um yeah so that's interesting that he likes acDC because i got to admit dude he just he's calling me out because i i've never liked acdc calling me out as well he's saying that uh people who don't know anything about music, we'll dismiss it. Now, this makes me think that we just don't, you know, practice what we preach, right? We haven't given ACDC a fair listen.

We haven't dove into their catalog, but yeah, it just has never been something that interests me. Personally, I just, I don't like the voice. I don't like me neither. The second singer is a voice. Yeah, we don't even know their names. I don't know those people that are, you know, yelling at us. Sure.

The names toward their iPods or whatever. Yeah. That's fine. You know, that's fine, dude. Yeah, I'm with you. I can't do it. But that's one of the things that Hamilton talks about in a lot of interviews is that what drew him to rock and roll was the who's who of like classic rock legends, right?

He was into Zeppelin. I think he said basically he heard Black Dog and that's what got him into like. And I love that song. The heavier rock music. And he's a fan of ACDC. He talks about being a huge fan of like early ERISM stuff or a song called Back in the saddle by aero smith, which I think a lot of people are familiar with that. It's a single. I guess all those bands kind of fall into the blues-based, heavy rock kind of stuff.

Yeah, and certainly Sabbath. And he mentioned Sabbath too. Zeppelin as well. So anyway, that's what's interesting about Paige, is that he's a classic rock enthusiast. You know, he's, you grew up on that kind of stuff. And classically trained in jazz. And classically trained in jazz, yeah. And talks about and has an understanding of like space and letting something breathe is important with music, right? Anyway, let's jump ahead here. I got three more tracks, so let's just play some tunes for the show here. We're going to play one more track from Meantime, and then I'm going to play two tracks from their

next album, Betty. So here we go. This next song is called You Borrowed. So I'm a big fan of his Dr. Jekyll's side. Yeah. I like that a lot. And I have to ask you, Chapp, because you're the metal fan. First off, was this, was Helmut the first band in this.

subgenre of metal that you heard and like what what was it that was different about them so the way i got to helmet was by first listening to this band called prong which i think i've also done a sidetrack on them before yeah we covered them too yeah i think we both did yeah and prong was is more more like a like a thrash metal band and so it was interesting to then find helmet who is classified as alt metal, but it's a step toward rock. There's a spectrum of metal and then like alt rock. Obviously, alt metal is, you know, a step in between those two. But I'm just saying like, I think this might, yeah, this may have been the first band that I, that I listen to that kind of incorporates a little bit of, a little bit of metal with some punk with like alt rock, stuff like

that. So yeah, I think, I think, yeah, that might be accurate. But yeah, what I liked about it was his, yeah, his voice where it's like, man, this kind of sounds sort of grungy, sort of alt-rocky, but it's also got that aggressiveness to it and like the riffs and stuff. What I think I was drawn to the most is the guitar riffs. And I was also getting some, and I don't know the timeline for like when quote-unquote stoner rock or stoner metal was coming around. But I feel like, you know, if this alt metal was around before that, I feel like maybe stoner metal definitely was influenced.

I mean, it's all happening around the same time, man. Really? Let's just talk about another genre that subgenre that popped up in the 90s, right? If you think about the quintessential desert stoner metal band Caius, right? They had been around since like, you know, as Caius, they formed in 91. So yeah, it's all happening around the same time, man. So let's jump to their next album came out in, I believe, 94, called. Betty. Now, I will say that this song I'm going to play is one of my favorite 90s songs,

dude. And this song is catchy as hell. And I think it's going to sound a little bit more mainstream. Maybe isn't the right word to use, but it's going to sound more approachable, I guess. And you'll see what I'm talking about here. So let's just jump right ahead to this song here. The song is called Wilma's Rainbow. That was Mr. Jekyll, again, Dr. Jekyll, I guess. Yep. But something I noticed, Q. you can tell me about what's going on here. But I feel like this was a pretty staple sound on the drum kit that I think about, when I think of alt metal and alt rock 311, actually, which obviously is a different thing.

But like it's the, I was going to bring it up, man. Yeah, the snare, you take the snares off, right? Yes. Well, no, so, yeah. What's the term? So I'm going to throw no doubt in the mix as well. Just that punk ska kind of stuff that was happening, it's like a piccolo. It's the kind of snare that gives you that.

It's very, very tight. Just super tight snare head. Makes it like really high pitched and tinny. Yes, dude, I was thinking that too. That is so different from metal. It's funny because obviously 311 has a lot of different genres that they incorporate in the music. But they're classified as all metal too in some way or another. Obviously, like funk rock.

Red Hot chili peppers comes to mine as well. But like the corn drummer would do that too. So like that was a very common thing to do in 90s. like, yeah, in alt metal. It's got this tight sound to it, right? And it's, yeah. I associate it like, I think even like

Slipknot does it and stuff like that. So anyway, now here is one big difference between Betty and their previous album. Meantime is, uh, look at that cue. Look at that name. Oh, Butch Vig. Produced by Butch Vig. Man, he was a busy man.

Oh, yeah. And another guy named, T. Ray, Todd Ray, was also a producer on this record. What more do you say, right? Butch fig. But now, you know, I have to admit that this was actually a single. So, uh-oh. I know. But, I mean, I had to do it. We're going to get some, some hate mail. Yeah, sorry. But there was a, there was a music video for Rommel's Rainbow. So if you were watching MTV in the 90s, you may remember this song on MTV. So they were in rotation on MTV. So they were getting played. they were getting noticed. I mean, you know, they were on Beavis and Butthead, right? So I wonder what's a bigger achievement back then to be on Beavis and Butthead or to be on MTV? Well, Trow, you know, Beavis and Butthead was on MTV. But I get what you're saying. That's a good point, Q.

I like to think that if you're on an episode of Beavis and Butthead, you know, where they're flipping through the TV channels and they're watching your music video, I like to believe that that means that Mike Judge is a fan of your music. And I think that would be a higher compliment to me. That's a badge of honor. Yeah. Yeah, I was on Beavis and Butthead. All of his movies since Beavis and Butthead, all of his shows, excellent music in all of them.

Yeah, yeah, definitely. But that makes you me wonder, like, what was the music selection process for Beavis and Butta? Because, like, you said. For a show on MTV, really. Yeah, because if it was under the MTV umbrella, how much say it had. I wonder if they just said, hey, here's your, here's your videos to play for next week's Beavis. Was it like early Nickelodeon where they just gave the content producers free reign on that

kind of stuff? Kind of like with Pete and Pete. I'm sure we could easily find the answer to that. Anyway, so I got one more song for us here. So let's just jump ahead here to track 11. This is not a single. Okay. So, you know, get off me.

Do you think anybody cares when we play singles now? No, not at all. No. So here is my final pick. This song is called Speechless. Guitar solo to play us out here, Q. I'm a fan. I like this a lot, man.

You know, we always talk about, you know, you and our old pal Mitch, trying to find ways to inch me closer and closer to understanding the beauty of metal and all that it provides. I feel like Helm is a good way to do it, man. there's definitely bands that I think are kind of like gateway bands into the genre and I think bands like this are a good you know way to kind of dip your toes in dip your toes yeah get a little taste for it but you got to you know I know it's a real slow process for you because I've been trying for years let me tell you dude that one band that you brought I don't know what you heard I mean I had to take so many steps back dude I had my toes in oh oh

Wow, it was Mishuga. Oh my gosh, dude. That made me run. Man, out of the kiddie pool. I should have known better. But, dude, Mishuga is so fucking good. They're so good, man. I can't do it.

Can't do it. You have to know what you're going into. You know what I mean? You have to just embrace it. Dude, you just pushed me right into the demon. I did. I did. We were making progress, too.

Sometimes that's the best way to do it. You know, and you just got to start swine. Dude, you threw me in shark-infested waters. Yeah, I will say on a spectrum, I would say helmet is on one end and Mishuga is definitely on the complete opposite end as far as like metal extremities, you know. Right. But, well, that's fine. Mishmirate is great.

It's fine. I'm not up to listen to Mishug. After this because you just remind me how great they are. Anyway, so here's a quick quote. Also, I wanted to mention Bouch Figg only produced their main single, for the record, milk toast. The rest of the record was produced by Paige Hamilton and that guy who goes by T. Ray. Well, Helmut in general.

I guess Helmut is credited as production. So they produced all except for milk toast. So yeah, Butch Figg was, you know, in high demand at the time. So they're just like, can we just bring you in for the single, please? Oh, I wonder if they went to him. You know, I wonder if he was. That's a good question, yeah. I see three different studios listed as well.

I think Sound on Sound is one that Butch Figg was working out of. I might be wrong on that, but yeah. Anyway, so here's a quick quote from Page. I'm reading from the Wikipedia pageer. Usually regarded as Helmint's experimental album, it features a broader approach with forays into jazz and blues. Frontman Page Hamilton said, Those things were my indulgences.

I tried to force the music in different directions. I know a lot of fans were disappointed, but I think it's important to try to grow musically. I mean, think about it. If this guy pursued jazz, that's in him. You know, he can't deny that. And so I'll play it as the outro song, but I'll play the song that he snuck into this record that was just straight jazzy.

To me, I think that's cool. He's a classically trained jazz musician. Can't let that go to waste. You got to appreciate the talent here. Yeah. Breaks it up. You know, it's like a nice palette cleanser when you get to that track. Yeah.

Right off the bat, I noticed the intro. riff, there's that breathing room he was talking about, you know, it's just one tiny little strum of the guitar and it's a good two seconds, two, three seconds of silence. That's powerful. That's what I like about the way he approached his song structures and stuff. Yeah, he would do stuff like that. He would change up the pace, change up the riff slightly, stuff like that, have these nice breaks in it. His guitar solos were usually like that. The two guitar solas that we heard were both that style where it's just kind of like this chaotic. kind of guitar solo. His solos weren't really that melodic, which is what you think of when you think of

jazz. Right. Guitar solos and stuff like that. But anyway, he did manage to sneak in some straight jazz on this record and I'll play that song for us on the close here. But anyway, as I said earlier, I want to give a shout out to somebody on Instagram who featured us in his story. Is what they call him Key? Stories. I don't know. That's what they're called. This guy's name is Kevin. And, yeah, he said he had been looking for a podcast to cover Homs Downward to Sevenward for years. He's been looking for years, Q, and we delivered for him. So that means he goes into, he searches podcast apps and types in keywords like Hum, Downward to Sevenward.

And nothing pops up. And every other music podcast says, let him down, Kew, except for us. That's a beautiful thing. And I got to say, that's one of my favorite, one of my favorite episodes. that album is just so damn good and I loved talking about it. And when you listen to, I'm not, this is not a knock on helmet, but when you go back and listen to Downward as Heavenward by Hum, you can see the difference in like just how damn good that record is.

And now it's not necessarily, you know, apples to apples by any means. But I mean, Hum, you know, gets not the alt-mental genre on them, but I mean, they get the space rock, right? Yeah, space rock, but like, you know, I would say post-punk. You know, it's sort of under the same general super broad umbrella of not your truth. Actually, they do have that. Wow, dude. I feel like alt metal, that was just tossed around.

Like, everybody was called alt metal back then. But basically what it means is just like, hey, did you, did you crank the distortion up slightly, you know? If you have some, like, chugging guitar riffs, then you get the label thrown on you. I guess if you crank the distortion up and you weren't Nirvana-style grunge, you were alt-metal. Yeah. And, you know, if you think about hum, his voice for sure was always the soft, for the most part, the soft melodic voice with the heavier guitar riffs and more aggressive melodies and song structures and stuff. So yeah, it makes sense. But anyway, it just makes me appreciate the record even more.

So anyway, thanks Kevin for reaching out and sharing us with your followers and your story. We've been getting a lot of interaction on Instagram lately, so this is great. Please keep it up. Maybe it's because we've been asking every week. Well, we've been doing that for years, dude. But yes, we love hearing from our listeners. Yes, we've been getting great recommendations from people. And we're actually going to do an episode on a band that was recommended to us by a listener.

We gave her a shout out last week, I believe. We did, okay. All right. Also, if you're listening to this and you messaged us on Instagram and we haven't given you a shout out, don't worry. We will. Yeah. There's some of you have shared artists with us that we're going to play music from in

future episodes and we'll give you a proper shout out then. So don't you worry. Because I want to give a shout out to everyone who messages us. Yes, absolutely. And if you can't tell, we're really bad at Instagram. So we literally just saw a message that somebody sent to us a few days ago. that somehow we both missed. I did not get a notification for that.

You know, I swear we're not. Like, I work on websites every day for a living, and I can't figure out on Instagram. Anyway, one thing I wanted to ask you, now that we're starting to get some interaction from listeners, I don't know how best to field answers for this question, because I know Twitter you can put polls up and stuff. Maybe we can do it on Instagram.

You can do polls on Instagram. You can? Okay. Yeah. I want to know if there's any interest in a shirt, a no-filler shirt. If you're listening, would you wear a no-filler shirt? I think the logo is kind of cool.

I don't know if it would just be the logo. I'm a fan of it. I think it would look cool in like a faded-looking black t-shirt. You can even just send us a simple message that said, yes, shirt, or no shirt, you know, and we'll understand what it means. Or maybe we'll figure out how to do a poll or something like that. Anyway, we've talked about it and like we've just never gotten around to it because we don't have any, we have no way of knowing like if there'd be any real interest in it.

But, you know, I feel like if we get, if I get five people that say, yeah, man, I'd love to wear a shirt. That's enough for me to make some shirts, you know. So anyway, just let us know. Tell us what color you'd want in it. Yeah. I'm not making, we're not making every color of the rainbow here, okay? I'm just trying to get a sense. But yeah, anyway, long story short.

Just keep talking to us on Instagram. We love it. We're getting great recommendations from people. And so in some small way, like this is a way for listeners to, you know, help shape the content of this podcast. Yeah, be a part of the show. This is why we do this. Yeah, exactly. So it's, yeah, it's really fun and exciting to finally get some interactions from our listeners.

It's really great. Dude, we've been doing this for four years. I know. That's crazy. It's pretty crazy. Anyway, all right. So yeah, obviously, we've been talking about Instagram. You can find us on Instagram.

Search for No Feeler Podcast. We are also proud members of the Pantheon Podcast Network, which is the podcast network for music lovers. So if you like our show, I bet you there's a few more shows under the network that you would like as well. Every show is music related. There are shows that talk about specific bands. There are shows that actually talk to musicians, you know,

which is kind of an interesting concept, like interviewing musicians. We've never done that. You know, there's a podcast for everything. So you can find the network on, you know, anywhere you can get your podcasts. Basically, if you follow the network, you get every new show, every new episode from every show under the network gets pushed into that feed. So not a bad way to get a bunch of different music podcasts sort of into your playlist,

if you will, including ours. So any of our new episodes would pop up in there as well. So, yeah, pantheonpodcast.com. And, yeah, next week we're going to talk about another, I would classify them more as post-hardcore, which is another term I throw around a lot. And I think I understand what it means, but I'd also like to kind of revisit that

and talk about what that term and genre means. It's probably going to be very similar, you know. It takes bits of this. and bits of that and sort of mixes it together. My understanding of it is it's kind of like punk plus some metal plus some alt rock, maybe less metal, less on the metal and more on the punk side. But there's a band that I, another band that I discovered a couple years ago when I was going down this rabbit hole of like 90s bands I'd never heard of called Unwound.

And it got this record called Repetition that is amazing. Dude, yeah, you played a song, I think it was a watcher heard. You brought it. Yeah, and I loved it. Well, I'm definitely going to play that song again because it's amazing, but there's a bunch of great songs in here. So anyway, that'll be next week. And then from there, we may have a few rewind episodes that we throw at you guys because we're both going to be doing some traveling and vacationing and stuff like that over the next few weeks. But anyway, as we said, we've been doing this for four years.

We've got quite a bit to pull from in the back catalog that most of you have probably never heard if you're not the kind of person who is a completest, you know, who has to go back and listen to everything. So we'll pull stuff that's, you know, somewhat related to the general theme of what we've been talking about lately. So anyway, yeah, that's it. Thanks, everyone for listening. And we will talk to you guys next week. My name is Travis.

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