No Filler Music Podcast - Built To Spill's Keep It Like A Secret: The Definitive Indie Rock Album

Episode Date: May 17, 2021

Built To Spill had already released 3 records and signed to Warner Bros before putting out their definitive record Keep It Like A Secret in 1999. From their 2nd album There's Nothing Wrong With Love to their 3rd record Perfect From Now On, the band transitioned from quick-witted indie pop to more progressive experimental indie rock. Keep It Like A Secret combined the two, resulting in the quintessential indie rock album just in time for the new millenium: soft vocals, introspective lyrics combined with melodic guitar riffs and complex song structures, all wrapped in catchy hooks and pop-centric melodies. Built To Spill - Center of the Universe Built To Spill - Carry The Zero Built To Spill - Else Built To Spill - Temporarily Blind Built To Spill - You Were Right Treepeople - Liquid Boy This show is part of the Pantheon Podcast network. Pantheon is a proud partner of AKG by Harman. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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my name is Quentin with me as always is my brother Travis and today we are diving into Built to Spills Keep It Like a Secret came out in 1999 Thank you that's all you know about this record right Yeah I know well I didn't know it came out in 99 Until I just read that right now dude I know the album cover because it's really cool

Very recognizable So that was center of the universe, the plate of sin. That was the one single that came up this record. And so right out the gate, dude, from this little intro clip, that's, to me, I feel like this is the, like the modest mouse and the, I was even getting some Weezer vibes. Okay. I mean, maybe because of the catchiness and the poppiness of that particular track. Yeah. And I only know the one song.

But more on like the Pixies and the Modest Mouse side of rock in the 90s. Yeah. You know, they would be considered an indie rock band for sure. Like if you were to put that label on a sound, to me, this is the sound. You know, because now the term indie is used on everything nowadays, right? But like I feel like indie rock, this was that the sound. You know what I mean? The kind of softer vocals, but still kind of punch your guitar rips and stuff like

that. Like the flaming lips. Yeah, flaming lips. Like early 90s flaming lips. Yeah, exactly. But anyway, so here's where these guys kind of fall in the landscape. They're formed in the early 90s in Boise, Idaho. And apparently, this is a, has become a definitive sound associated with the Pacific Northwest, which is where you're from. Are they from Seattle? Well, I'm from Texas, brother, okay? I'll always be a Texan. That's true. But I've lived here for, you know, almost a decade now, coming up on a decade. That's insane.

Isn't it, dude? Is that true? We moved up here in 2014, so I'm jumping the gun a few years here. But we're, you know, getting up there. So are they from Seattle? No, but Doug March is. And he's the lead singer, primary songwriter. I should say he's not from Seattle, but he formed a band.

he was in a band originally that was based out of Seattle. It was called Tree People. And he was in that group before built a spill. That sounds familiar. Tree people? Yeah, I'm not sure why, but it just does. Maybe you've heard of them. So how did you get into them?

Yeah, so this is actually an interesting story. So, you know, a lot of times, Q, with the music that you and I were listening to and we were in high school and stuff, we typically sort of listened to the same stuff, right? Because we'd be in the car together because we shared a car. so we would listen to the same kind of music. We went to concerts together, blah, blah, blah. This band and this record in particular, I was introduced to by a professor of mine, a 3D design professor.

It was called 3D design, was the class. Wait a second. In high school? Not in college. We're talking college now. I was going to say, who calls high school teachers professors? When did you go to college, dude? I thought you skipped that whole thing.

I mean, I took some community college courses. Oh, okay. I didn't know you. Okay. I did another round of it. I was working toward pretending like I was going to do a graphic design or coursework. And then I just went into web design after that. But anyway.

So was he one of those professors that played proper tuneage during the gym class? I mean, it was essentially like a wood. It was called 3D design. So like not like 3D as in like community. computer graphics, but like not CAD, three-dimensional art. You know what I mean? Gotcha. So he would have music on while we were working and stuff like that.

And he had this record on. And we would talk about music quite a bit, me and him. And he was just like telling me about this record and how like it was this, like in 99, he was in college. So he was somewhat of a younger guy. But he was just saying how this is the just how amazing this record was, how he like had it tied to his college days and stuff like that. and he just really connected with it. And I thought it was a great record. So I have him to think for my introduction to Bill to Spill,

or I might have been in the same boat as you, Q, and never have came across these guys. Is this their first record or? No. So this is their third record. Or no, I'm sorry, this is their fourth record. They have this kind of interesting path that they went on from their second record to this one.

So like there was, their second record came out in 94. It was called There's Nothing Wrong with Love. And then there was another one after that, called Perfect from Now On, and then you have Keep It Like a Secret. So I've read several retrospective type review articles written on it. A lot of these guys, and I confess, I haven't really listened to their earlier stuff. But a lot of what people are saying is that when you listen to, there's nothing wrong with love. It was like these sort of quick, witty, poppy sort of indie, indie rock songs, right?

So like, the tracks were like, you know, sometimes less than two minutes long. they were just really quick and poppy, right? And then they came out with their next record over to that, and it went in like the other direction almost, where it was like more almost progressive, little mini progressive rock songs, sometimes, you know, just at like almost the nine minute mark on a couple of the tracks.

Like they were more, you know, experimental with their sound. They were more, they wrote more complicated and intricate, like guitar riffs and stuff like that, guitar things. That's kind of what they're known for actually is, some of their like complicated song structures and stuff like that which is kind of cool for you know not every indie band has that kind of side in them but that's something that they're actually known for so as one person put it i'm going to quote it because it was it's just perfect the way that they described these two records this guy wrote a sort of a 20 year retrospective on the record his

name is chris deville i feel like we've quoted him before i bet you we have how i'm sure we have Man. Christaville, he wrote, One sounded like a measly kid staring up at the sky, dwarfed by the unknowable vastness of the universe. The other sounded like God, defined by Marsh as whoever you're performing for, staring down upon the same universe as it surged outward into infinity. Oh, my.

Pretty lofty there, right? But it's showing you that one was more like the kid on the ground, like sort of staring up and like in wonder and stuff at the at the sky and the other one is like god staring back down like giving him an answer which is crazy right so the point that these guys were trying to make is that like album two and album three were very different and it kind of showed both sides of build a spill and then keep it like a secret sort of combined the two yeah so so this is um this is girls can tell and kill the moonlight mixed together to bring us skimmy fiction.

I can see that, yeah. Good call. Good call. Yeah, dude. Definitely. All right, let's hear some tunes, dude. Let's jump right into it. Yeah, let's just get right into it. There's more to say, obviously, but sometimes you just got to let the tune speak for themselves. So I'm actually going to start with probably one of my favorite tracks on the record.

This is a, I'm going to split it into two parts because this is actually one of the longer songs on the record. And there are two very definitive, like, distinct parts to it. And I just love everything about this track. The lyrics are great. It's a beautiful song. So here we go. This is built a spill.

And this song is called Carry the Zero. Where has this been all my life, dude? Oh, it's been here this whole time. I just never listened to it. Great. Yeah. Yeah. Dude, just wait, man.

Just wait. I love the guitar. The guitar work. It was one verse, and then they jump into this great guitar solo that you don't typically get guitar solos like that in an indie rock song, right? I mean, yeah, dude, I feel like the 90s was about the last decade of, you know, just thoughtful guitar riffs. Man, oh, never mind, dude.

No, dude, that's, you know what, dude, don't be ashamed of that sentence, cue. There's still great rock. Of course the rest. There's still great guitar heavy rock out there. Yes, but what I think the point, the point that you're probably trying to make you is that that was the last decade of maybe guitar solos that made it on to the mainstream radio airwaves. Yeah. I always go back to Weezer. I always think of Weezer because they had great guitar solos in their songs. That's true. They definitely did. Weezer would fall under this camp probably to you a little bit like this, this sound, right? When it comes to the rock landscape in the 90s, I just think built this bill was very unique and sort of had their own, they carved out of their own space as you'll see it from the rest of this music. I think his vocals were great.

His vocals are very unique, right? Yeah, I like the guitar tone as well. Let's pick this up again because like I said, you got to you got to listen to the second part of the song. I really appreciate it. And that was only one verse. We're just going to let it play from where we left off here. So again, this is carry the zero. Just a tasty jam, dude. I wish I was rocking these tunes for you know, the last 20 years? Yeah. Jesus, man.

That's great. I love it. Yeah. So this is a, this song is a really great showcase of what they do really well. Because, you know, there's a lot of, a lot of stuff going on in that song, right?

Yeah. It starts very kind of more mellow. His vocals go from soft to, you know, a little bit louder. And then the guitar work throughout, right? There's a, there's a literal guitar solo.

like after the first verse and then there's you know second verse third verse and then there's that third part the end of the song which kind of goes into this jam kind of session almost like yeah that felt very like early modest mouse and I don't know if there's any point

and continuing to just compare bands here but you know yeah I'm picking up on on that that's that side of indie 90s rock which I've always loved dude I'm just shocked that I never listen to this stuff well they didn't get all that much attention really.

You know what I mean? Versus Motus Mouse had float on, which is a giant mega hit. Well, that was early 2000s. I know, but that's how they got on my radar, at least. Yeah. Biltisville never really had a song that made it to MTV in the way that

transferred an hand. Well, of course, that's a more garage rack, but you know, I'm around the same time. Yeah, around the same time. Yeah. Anyway, so the lyrics, I always thought the name was so clever, right? Carrier the zero. Apparently that's, I'm no math person, okay?

But apparently that's impossible. You can't carry a zero. No, there's no zero to carry. Yeah, there you go. So anyway, I'm going to read from another bill to spill retrospective article that I read because, you know, sometimes other people are better at putting things to words than make you. Most times, brother. Yeah.

So this guy says, this is a song about not liking yourself, finding your faults, and ultimately being too concerned about what everyone else is thinking about you and vice versa and feeling silly about that. So yeah, if you look at the lyrics, you know, it's like you're so occupied with what other persons are occupied with and vice versa. So it's just about people that are just too concerned about what other people think of them, right? Which brings me to an interesting point. So I was reading about, I think it was spin did a feature on them and was sort of going through the revelations of the singer,

how it was impressive that by the time he had reached 29, he was on three records with tree people, the first band he was with, three other records with this other band called Halo Benders, and then three other records for Bill to Spill. the time Keep It Like a Secret came out. And he was only 29. So this guy was very prolific before he even came to this record, which arguably a lot of people say Keep It Like a Secret is kind of like the definitive Bill to Spill record, right? And by that time, they had signed Warner Brothers for this record, which was the same record

label that Nirvana was on at the time, or they had been on, I should say. So anyway, you know, it would seem on the outside that they were successful, right? But there's these stories about how like on the road and stuff, he would direct. so low budget and the way he groomed himself and stuff that like a best Western that they were staying at the staff thought that he was like a homeless loiterer or something like that oh man and like when asked about like why um even after signing to a major label did the bandmates live so simply and all that kind of stuff here it is again dude just like the toadies he goes Well, we know it's not going to last.

We know we're not going to make it big. Man, that's a problem. That's an issue with so many really talented people. Every other person on the planet tells you that you're doing great, but in your mind, you're during terrible. All right, we're going to jump down to track number seven. Well, hey, dude, before we do that, let's take a quick break. All right, we're going to jump down on track seven here. This song is called Else.

You definitely hear the influence that they've, had on many bands since this record came out. What I've always liked about this record, this band, they do it in their later work too. Those little moments like with the guitar where it's like that little kind of, he's just kind of bending the string. I don't know why that's so effective. Yeah. And I liked his in the second verse, I guess.

Yeah, the second verse, he just, he kind of harmonizes with himself. So as I'm going to quote this guy again. This is a website. I've actually, I don't think I've ever been on this site before. Albumism. Dude, listen to me go. I said, I was going to, I'm going to quote this guy. It's Samantha Lopez.

So my fault. I'm going to quote Samantha Lopez here again with this. She says here, keep it like a secret is the pinnacle of all things built to spill. and indie rock in its truest form. Nice. It's a culmination of righteous guitar riffs, subversive melodies, and heavy-hearted emotive lyricism. So yeah, that is, this is indie rock in a nutshell, this album.

But I think it's like she said, it's in its truest form. Like this is the best of indie rock, right? Like everything that you like about all the great indie bands, you get with this record, right? Yeah. And honestly, man, I hope. that we can start up a convo with some of our listeners here. Yeah.

I'm curious to know about what indie rock is to other people. When did you first hear the word indie rock, or indie, not even rock necessarily, but when did you first hear the word indie attached to a band in you? And what did they sound like? According to Wikipedia, the term indie was coined in 77 by the BBC when referring to the Buzzcox Spiral Scratch EP.

That's a punk band. But they were using it specifically just to shorten the term independent. So I don't think it was, it's not like it was being used

to define the sound of the band. Shortened for independent. That was just, I guess, the first time that independent was shortened

to the word indie. All right, key, we got one more track. And this is another one of my favorites from the record. Obviously,

this record is great from start to finish, of course. But there are a few that have always stood out to me. Carry the Zero and else have always stood out to me. But this song as well, probably one of my favorite jams on this record did. It's called Temporarily Blind. And we're probably going to have to break it up into two clips again. That's just sort of the nature of how they structure their songs. You know, it's not as straightforward as, you know, a two-minute. clip. You got to break it up. So here we go. This is temporarily blind by built to spill. Got to cut it there because that's when it starts to shift. But I love that guitar riff right there.

The repetition. Yeah. They drew that out beautifully, man. I love when that happens in a song, dude. Are you talking about the vert, that repetition of the words or the guitar? The guitar. but it's funny because like prior to that they were repeating that line over and over again isn't it everyone isn't it everyone and then it went into that guitar riff repeating itself probably the same amount of times I bet um the same amount of measures is that the right word uh sure man I don't know again like it's the what makes them unique what makes I should say what makes um what makes Doug a unique both vocalist and guitar player his lyrics are great they've always been really compelling and like thought provoking at least in my opinion and then

what he does with with his guitar so he's like the one to punch right because he's he's doing the vocals and he's doing the guitar but you know not that that's unique in the world of rock by any means but I'm saying like because he does and writes the music he sort of like works I feel like he works with himself in that way like the vocals and the guitar The guitar is another one of his vocal cords. Yeah. I think that's that the way he's craps his guitar riffs are definitely melodic in that way, right? Yeah.

All right. Let's pick it up right where we left off because it's about to change up in a dope-ass way. It's about to get cray. It's about to go to 11. All right. Here is, we're going to pick it up right where he left off. This is, again, temporarily blind. So many different parts to it.

it keeps you on your toes you know what I mean like when you listen to a built to spill song you never know where they're going to take you with the song which is which is awesome you know yeah there's three distinct kind of parts there's hooks there's like three or four different like hooks that that a band could turn an entire song like build an entire song around like he does it like four or five times in this yeah totally he's just like kind of a hook and riff machine I'm kind of like we, I think we've said that about Brett Daniels before. Oh, yeah. I think you're probably listening again.

Except there's no ass, brother. Don't you get Tyler on your ass. All right, whatever. Britt Daniel. But yeah. Again, like, it perfectly encapsulates the sound of Andy Rock. Like, Andy Rock perfected. You know what I mean?

Yeah, totally. And again, I love the lyrics. Lyrics great. very, you know, kind of introspective, knowing that he was a little, had a little bit of self-doubt in him, like, oh, we're never going to be successful. Like, it's not going to last, right? When he was saying that about their music. Yeah. These are the types of lyrics that somebody like that might, right? I mean, he's also very, um, carry the zeros about people who, who worried too much about what other people think, right? You know, when you hear the stories about how he used to present himself, I guess. Right. he didn't want to draw attention to himself well maybe that or he just doesn't give a shit about what people think but yeah that's three three tracks out of 10 on this record so there's a song on here i thought about playing it but you know let's just play real quick hey squeeze it in dude yeah we got all right all right i'm going to play one more track then and i think this is this showcases another side

of them but the lyrics are are really clever and fun for people who are familiar with very well-known rock songs and ballads and stuff like that. So this song is called You Were Right. And try to listen to the lyrics. I'll break it down for you when we come back from this clip here. But this is a very, very clever song. It's called You Were Right. Awesome, dude.

Let me throw out who I caught. Okay. Jimmy Hendrix. Pink Floyd. I don't know who sings all we are as Dust in the Wind. Who was that? so so basically the song is essentially like this uh he's basically calling out famous rock songs right and saying hey you were wrong about this but you were right about this

yeah he's saying you were wrong when you said everything is going to be all right that's a reference to um you know probably a lot there's a lot of songs that that probably say everything It's going to be all right. But I guess some people are saying that that's a reference to Bob Marley's song. Every little things going to be all right. No woman, no cry. Yeah. And then the verse goes, you were right when you said all that glitters isn't gold.

That's a Neil Young reference. Don't be denied. There's a song. You were right when you said, all we are is dust in the wind. That's a Kansas song apparently called Dust in the Wind. Kansas. Obviously, the one that jumps out to everybody probably. You were right when you said, we're all just bricks in the wall. Clearly, that's Pink Floyd. Yeah, manic depressions, Jimmy. And when you said manic depression is a frustrated mess, Jimmy. Yeah. So basically, like,

all these songs about, like, depression and stuff and, like, shit going wrong. Like, yeah, you're right about that. The world, the world is like all of those things that you were right about. Rock before me, you know, all the rock stars that came before me. Yeah. But Bob Marley, like, You were just wrong, man. Nothing's going to be all right. You know what I mean? And then there's another verse too. He's the only one that's wrong.

Wow. Apparently, yeah. Everyone else is right. Yep. I'll do the other references too because there's a second verse. You were right when you said, you can't always get what you want. Oh, let me see if I can get him, dude, before you reveal it. Let me think.

You can't. Oh, that's Rolling Stones. Yeah. Rolling Stones. Yep. Okay. You were right when you said it's a hard rain's going to fall. All right.

I don't know, dude, Janice Chaplin. Just guessing. Bob Dylan, Q. Oh. A hard rain's going to fall is the name of the song. Oh, dear. I didn't know that either. Okay, I'll give you that.

You're not a Dylan fan. No, I haven't really got it. I guess I'm not either. Yeah. You were right when you said we're still running against the wind. I don't know this one. Yeah, I don't know, dude. Bob Seeger, against the wind.

And never got into him. Life goes on long after the thrill of living is gone. That's a reference to a John Malen Cam song, Jack and Diet. I guess. Little ditty? No. Yeah. But little ditty about Jack and Diane.

Yeah. That's the first first. You were right when you said this is the end. The end by the doors. Anyway, really clever song. I love the way. Yeah. Brilliant, right?

It's literally just a song referencing other songs. You know what I mean? But yeah, you're right. Which is very meta. I guess Bob Marley is the only one. Yeah, it is very meta. It's a rock song about rock songs. Yeah, but like the funny thing is like that is what rock is,

barring from the past. Yeah. True. But yeah, it is funny that Bob Marley is the only one that's wrong. According to him. So according to Doug, everything is not going to be all right. No. According to Doug.

According to Doug, we're just dust in the wind, bricks in the wall. Can't always get what you want. Well, my glass is usually half full. You know what I mean? So you're a Bob Marley kind of guy. Yeah. Yeah, sure. You know, that's the best way to live, Q.

Totally. Well, that was great, dude. you brought some you brought some proper tunage and there's great great tracks that I skipped over Q so go back and listen to this record if you haven't already if I could recommend another one and the only reason I'm recommending it is because it's really the only one I've ever kind of given a proper listen to actually there's two other ones I'd recommend untethered moon came out in 2015 and there is no enemy came out in 2009 two other records they've got quite the discography all right Q Dude, that was built to spill.

Keep it like a secret. I'm happy that I got to introduce you to those tracks for the first time. Finally, man, I know you've been waiting for years now to do it. This is one of those records that when we first talked about doing this podcast, it was on the list of, like, albums that I want to cover. And here we are like, you know, 100-some-plus episodes later. Well, who are we going to cover next to? Do we know?

We got to squeeze a What You Heard in here pretty soon. The next time we convene for a non-what-you-heard episode. because I think we're going to have a rewind next week. I got some family in town. I got some family in town. Yeah. Tew's got in-laws in town. In-laws and nieces-in-laws.

Nees-in-law. I've got a niece-in-law. He's going to niece-in-law. He's in-law. First removed, third removed or something. I don't know. Something. I don't know you do that shit.

So, yeah. We'll pick one from the archives, maybe one that, you know, an older episode that maybe if you're a newer listener, you may not have seen unless you scroll back. Yeah, you didn't go back far enough. And then we'll do what you heard after that. And then we're going to do a band called French kicks. And if you haven't heard of them, they're a pretty obscure garage indie band.

There was a record that came out that I obsessed over when I first stumbled upon it. I did not stumble upon it when it first came out. That was one of those records that I think I just happened upon it from Spotify, right? Just bouncing around on Spotify. and this record called swimming is great. So we'll talk about that in like three weeks. It's going to be new to me, dude. It's another album that you're bringing to me that I haven't heard yet.

So good stuff. I've been carrying all the weight around here. Hey, man. You know, how's it feel? Great. Feels good. All right, so we'll do that in a few weeks. Next week, I'm not sure what we're going to throw at you.

But it'll probably be something somehow in some way related or similar. to build the spill. We got to figure that out, too. Maybe REM. I was thinking R&M would be fun. I think they're a good segue from kind of like the cranberries. From the cranberries, yeah. But anyway, which has nothing to do with build to spill, but you know, whatever.

It's whatever. All right. Well, that's it, man. That's how I got for you. Thank you for listening. You can find us on Twitter at No Failure Podcast. Tell us which built to spill album I should listen to because I don't. told you the three that I'm familiar with.

And there's quite a bit out there. If you're a fan of Bill to Spill, tell me what I need to listen to because I'm a big fan of them. And let us know what indie rock is to you. Let us know what indie rock band you'd like to hear us talk about because, you know, we could stay in this pocket forever. Like I said, we're going to jump back to it when we do fringe kicks. Yes, we'll be looking for more indie rock. Yeah, I mean, we've covered quite a bit on this podcast.

We've done the strokes. We've done Interpol. We've done... Now, that's more garage rock like we... It is. But yeah, you know, if you wanted to throw them all under the umbrella. Phantom Planet, throw them in there, too. Yeah, we did Phantom Planet.

I could go on. We did basically all the Spoon Records up to... Gimmie fiction. Midlake. Like, we've done a ton of indie bands, but we barely scratched the surface on bands that we know and love. So, yeah, we're going to return back to our wheelhouse here for a little bit. So give us ideas.

What do you want to hear us talk about? All right, Q. Well, you can also find us on the Pantheon podcast network. That's Pantheonpodcast.com. We'd also like to thank AKG for sponsoring the network. Keyes talking to us right now through a AKG microphone. It's the Lyra and it's a real beauty. Yeah.

That's why I'm coming in so buttery smooth. And I'm rocking these. classy headphones too, man. Yeah, you're not just using an AKG microphone. You're using an AKG pair of headphones as well. And I'm not lying when I say they are the comfiest goddamn headphones I've ever worn in my life, dude. Yeah.

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Tree People, which I mentioned. I'm going to advise you not to look at the album art if you're out there because it's goofy looking. I want to look at it. tell me what this looks like you. Okay. Yeah. The album art for this record is a little bit weird.

But this is the debut record from tree people. And it's called Something Vicious for Tomorrow. Can you zoom in on that? I like the color and the, I like the font. It looks like one of those, like some, you know, you were zooming in on one of those old paintings of like depictions of hell and you know yeah yeah it looks like someone's all sorts of shit's going down what is going on in that i told you dude i told you not to look at the album art but there it is that's exactly what's happening yeah anyway uh okay look at the record art

uh the album art at your own at your own risk but um we're gonna listen to a song from this record it's the first song off the record um this is doug's first band all right this is a song called Liquid Boy. It's going to close us out. And until next time, my name is Travis. And I'm Quentin. You all take care. Unwrap holiday magic at Holt Renfrew with gifts that say I know you. From festive and cozy fashion to Lux Beauty and Fragrant Sets. Our special selection has something for every style and price point. Visit our Holtz holiday shop and store or online at Holtrenfrew.com.